Is There Demonic Influence in Our Technology?

Nuclear weapons, IVF, AI, and the postwar story we’ve all been taught are not separate conversations, they’re one big argument about who (or what) shapes human history. We start with a raw look at how a “content drought” turns into algorithmic rage bait, especially around male-female dynamics and the true crime ecosystem. Then we pivot hard into a headline surrogate case that sounds heroic on the surface but feels, to us, like a glimpse into the contractual and moral nightmare built into modern surrogacy and IVF.

From there, we dig into Tucker Carlson’s claim that nuclear weapons weren’t truly “created by people.” We don’t treat it like a cheap shock line. We ask what it means to say technology can be influenced by demonic forces through pride, rebellion, and the pursuit of forbidden knowledge. That takes us into Oppenheimer, the Trinity test, the occult flavored edges of early rocketry, and why 1947 keeps showing up when people talk about UFOs, UAP phenomena, and the modern age of secrets.

We also read and react to JD Hall’s framing of Eric Metaxas and the postwar consensus as a kind of civil religion, where Allied victory becomes moral immunity and certain questions are treated as blasphemy. Along the way we preview upcoming shows, including our conversation with Father Maudsley (Know Thy Anime) and a planned 9-11 episode that separates memories of the day from the conspiracy theory rabbit holes.

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SPEAKER_04 0:11

Yo.

A Rough Intro And Blackpilled Feeds

SPEAKER_04 0:12

Oh my gosh, dude. Are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_05 0:18

That was the most uncomfortable intro I've ever sat through. Rob, you previewed that? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 0:37

It's kind of stupid, but it's funny.

SPEAKER_05 0:41

Yeah. It is. Oh man. What a slow content drought. You know what it is? Like the the only thing my feed is showing is how awful women are. And I'm just so blackpilled from it. Like the past.

SPEAKER_03 0:57

We've done how many shows on it, but that's all that's going on.

SPEAKER_05 1:00

Can't talk about Lindsay Clancy again, but like, man, the women have really just oh my gosh, man. I spent um spent an hour with my wife and daughter before the show just to like restore my faith in women. Because it's it's you you can get very jaded just watching videos on X and forget that like they're not all like that, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:26

It doesn't restore my faith in woman, it just makes me more grateful for the ones that I continue to keep in my life. Yeah, I oh man, I don't know. It's just like otherwise the rest of them compound sand.

SPEAKER_05 1:41

It's funny, like, even Candace came out and said Lindy Clancy is innocent, right? But oh, yeah, like come on, that's not surprising. No, but I don't even know if she actually believes that. I just think like the Candace audience is the true crime audience, like that is her audience, right? So the majority of people who watch Candace are crazy delusional women who watch true crime stuff. Hover around a 70 to 80 IQ at best, but they're obsessed with true crime stuff, and though that's why they're obsessed with the Charlie Kirk thing. So, like people are trying to turn the Lindsay Clancy story into a true crime thing, like trying to solve what really happened. It's like, no, the nobody's even arguing what happened here, you psychopaths. Like, everybody knows what happened. The question is, was she morally responsible for it? Oh, I'm so sick of this stupid case.

SPEAKER_03 2:34

I I think I think it's women who, for whatever reason, I'm I have no idea, but for whatever reason, like cannot stand their lives so much that they have to like pretend everything is some special mystery that only then can they can solve, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 2:51

Like, yeah, that's actually they're just bored, they're bored, bored housewives, the majority of them. Like, they don't, you know, like modern technology has made life so easy. You throw a load on the dish in the in the laundry, you throw a load on the dishwasher, and your house is clean and you got nothing to do but watch true crime crap. So these women are bored, unless they have like a gaggle of children that they're taking care of. You know, they most of them got one or two. Some of them are in school and they're just sitting around and they're they're bored. So they make themselves into detectives. I don't know, it's nuts.

True Crime As A Lifestyle

SPEAKER_05 3:25

It's like um, but the other thing is uh tonight.

SPEAKER_03 3:30

Like texting my wife reminding me that she loves true crime. I know you do, sweetie, and I love you very much. But everything I said still kind of stands, generally speaking.

SPEAKER_05 3:43

I actually I like a little true crime here and there too, but I'm not talking about like people who just like true crime. Like, there is some crazy women who watch true crime.

SPEAKER_03 3:52

I mean, like uh the uh a lot of this you YouTube stuff I listen to is like mysterious disappearances, right? Like people who just disappear to no one has any idea like unsigned.

SPEAKER_05 4:04

I feel like there's something different there than listening to how also not making it your identity, like yeah, you know what I mean. Like to casually listen to a true crime thing is different than making it like I love sword and scale. Like if we're taking a long car ride, we'll listen to Sword. You ever you ever listen to Sword and Scale?

SPEAKER_03 4:23

You mentioned it, and I tried it once and then decided that I hate those people. Why I don't know why, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 4:30

Oh you know how I am about with the way people sound, like audio-wise, they yeah, they just basically do audio versions of like true crime stories and stuff, but like they'll play audio from the court case or that you know, it's just like it's a good story. So if you're doing a long car ride, it's like you know, it's like watching an episode of uh 48 hours or something, but um yeah, I just think that so like today, um, we weren't sure if we were gonna do a show today because we're interviewing Father Maudsley on on Saturday.

Father Maudsley And Know Thy Anime

SPEAKER_05 5:03

Well, no, there isn't much to talk about, but that's the point. So, like, we we were interviewing Father Maudsley Saturday, so we were like, should we skip Thursday and just do Saturday? Or what I think what we're gonna do is interview Maudsley Saturday, put it on locals only.

SPEAKER_03 5:19

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 5:19

So if anybody wants to watch the show live or get it early access, you'll have that Saturday, and then we will release that on YouTube at a later date. Probably Tuesday. Yeah, something like that. So um, but yeah, I'm I'm reading Maudsley's book right now, Know Thy Anime. He's got some interesting uh a lot, a lot of it is um covering some of the stuff we already know, and then he gets into like some stuff with Freud that's really interesting. He's he he has some stuff from Michael Hitchborne that he covers too. It's pretty it's pretty good. Um, I recommend everybody go and get it. It's on Amazon, Know Thy Anime by Father Maudsley. I'm trying to get through it. I'm only like a third of the way through. I want to try and get through it before we interview him on Saturday.

SPEAKER_03 6:01

So we've got it in the mail yesterday. There's no chance I get through it.

SPEAKER_05 6:08

Yeah, if you even if you skim through it, I think I think I'll I'll send you the chapters he wanted me to focus on. So this way here you can maybe at least you know get it because there was a couple topics he definitely wanted to touch on. Um, so we were I was looking for stuff to talk about today, and one of them is the um the uh that uh IVF, the the surrogate story, like that surrogate story is wild.

Surrogacy Contract Chaos And IVF Ethics

SPEAKER_05 6:34

Where the the the woman was hired as a surrogate. Um the they found like a defect in the sonogram, and the the couple who contracted her wanted her to abort the baby, and she decided not to, and now she's being hailed as this hero. And it's like yes, all right, I'm gonna be. The baby's the only good person in this story.

SPEAKER_03 6:59

Let Lindsay Clancy choke them out.

SPEAKER_05 7:01

This this woman signed a contract agreeing to have an abortion if there were any birth defect. Like, she signed the contract saying that, and she's like complaining now about the contract, and it's like this whole thing is so diabolical and evil. Like, this child is now going to grow up knowing that its parents wanted it killed. And the thing is, the parents are now suing for custody. She's still pregnant, the parents are suing for custody, and she's fighting that now. And it's like you like they are the parents, it's just such a bizarre thing. Like, we are playing with witchcraft with theragacy. So I thought we could talk about that. Um, Lila Rose being being held up, like holding this lady up like she's some pro-life hero or something. It's like, and they and they they talk about IVF, like the only bad part of IVF is that there are innocent embryos that have to be, you know, uh discarded after. And it's like there's a list of reasons why IVF is diabolical. I mean, you're removing it from the marital act first of all. There's just so many things that are wrong with it. Um, so that was one. Then I had uh I had a clip of a girl talking about how she like her all she wanted to do was be a stay-at-home mom, and she's 26 now. And it was like, I don't know, I thought it was an interesting clip. Uh, because I wonder with the state of male female dynamics right now, like I have kids that I want to find a spouse, and they're around that age, and I'm just worried for them for both my son and my daughters. Like the the pickings are just getting so slim. And you see, you see this tension between the sexes on social media. Men hate women, women hate men. Everything there's just this, you know. I think there's supposed to be like um a healthy amount of enmity between men and women, you know, like we're supposed to make jokes about them being bad drivers and stuff, but I don't want men and women to hate one another. Like, that's not good. Right? Like, it's just I know I make a lot of jokes and I tease the ladies, but like I don't want men and women to hold it.

SPEAKER_03 9:07

Yeah, but if we cut their access to social media, they won't know that they are supposed to hate us.

SPEAKER_05 9:11

That is true, and men seem to be unwilling to do the the hard work that needs to be done. Um, so then we went, we've waited I wound up settling on this Tucker story. So

Tucker’s Nuclear Weapons Theory

SPEAKER_05 9:22

Tucker made comments recently, which he's been saying this for a while now, that he thinks um nukes were not created by humans. But I don't think he means like demons built the nukes. I just think he means humans created them with demonic influence. Which I mean, I think we all think that too, right?

SPEAKER_03 9:44

Yeah. I mean at the very least, like yeah. If not so much in the even in their creation, then definitely in their use. You know, you have basically what was it, nine out of ten of the joint chiefs telling uh telling um Truman not to use it. The only one that wanted to, I think, was MacArthur, who then wanted to use uh 50 nukes in the Korean War.

SPEAKER_05 10:22

It's not just that, it's like they were doing like sick sadistic occult practices in the labs, like in the Manhattan Project and stuff. So we'll get into all of that tonight. So basically, we're gonna play the Tucker clip where he says it, and then we have JD Hall wrote this whole thing about it's basically like pitting because Eric Metaxis is because they all just hate Tucker because Tucker speaks about Israel and the Jews. So Eric Metaxis, the crazy Zionist, is trying to make it like Tucker is crazy for having this opinion. But Eric Metaxis will say, like, uh aliens are demons, and they'll say the trans thing is demons, and he'll say everything's demons, but once you get into saying that nukes are demons, it messes with his mythology. Of the American is it's basically the post-war consensus.

SPEAKER_03 11:10

Well, yeah, because if if nukes are demons and the vast majority of the scientists involved with the creation of nukes were Jews, then then they're playing with demons. And then, you know, if you have the um the secrets of the American nuclear pollen program stolen by Jews to then be sold to the Soviet Union while there's issues there, and then if of course you have the other Jews stealing it to give to Israel, well then there's issues like yeah, it always comes back to the older brother, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_05 11:38

So um the last thing I sent to the chat is the clip of Tucker. So let's just let's just play what Tucker said. And we'll uh we'll we'll go from there because I actually like I think we've said as much on this topic. Like, we I think that's kind of the consensus for most Christians that we think there's just demonic influence on our technology. I mean, when you get into especially when we get into talking about when the bomb is created, that's when you start seeing these uh you know UAPs popping up and stuff like that. We all kind of bring it back to the year 1947, is when these things were created. That's when you start getting all these uh alien sightings and UFO sightings and Area 51 pops up and all this stuff. This is it all kind of culminates in that year when these things were created.

SPEAKER_03 12:28

Well, and like you know, the Nazis were of course trying to get the bomb too. They went a different route using uh Deutonium and heavy water compared to you, anyways. They were working on it too, and of course, they are heavily involved with the occult. Yeah, you have Himmler traveling to India looking for um crazy stuff, by the same time, Oppenheimer is uh obsessed with the the Bhava Gita, right? Or forget I don't know how to pronounce it, but the bavada bhavada vagita is the I don't know, you know, the Invada the Vita, the like the two scriptures that talk about seemingly like aliens in a nuclear war thousands of years ago, you know, like his famous line, I've I you know, I've become the destroyer of worlds, comes right from that work. So all all these guys are heavily involved with the occult on both sides trying to get the bomb.

SPEAKER_05 13:28

But yeah, okay, sucker clip. All right, so let's play the Tucker clip and then we'll go from there.

SPEAKER_01 13:33

And I'm to this, let me just indulge my theory, which I can't control myself from talking about. Run, baby. I've heard it before, but I just think I think nuclear weapons, which I don't think were created by people, sorry, I don't care how many movies they make about it, I don't believe it. Yeah, okay. Wouldn't watch that crap, wouldn't let that into my head for one second. But anyway, because it's all lies. But anyway, sorry, now I'm getting really crazy, but it's all true. What I'm saying is true. I think once man possessed the power or believed he possessed the power to destroy everything that's alive, I think that he rejected God. Like that is kind of like reject that's rejection of God. And like everything changed after that. People became convinced they were gods, and that's when the true craziness started. It's not the 60s, the 60s, or the you know, Obama years or whatever you want era. It's like post-nuclear weapons. That's what I believe. And I'm to this, let me just indulge my yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:34

All right,

Occult Roots Of Modern War Tech

SPEAKER_05 14:35

so um, all right, so JD Hall uh says, uh, Tucker Carlson suggested demons helped invent the atomic bomb, and Eric Metaxas said it was utterly stupid and accused him of being insane. Oddly, Metaxas has claimed that Candace Owens is demonic, Halloween is demonic, UAP phenomena is demonic, Tucker Carlson is demonic, Islam is demonic, the Democratic Party is demonic, and anti-Semitism is demonic. But apparently, Metaxas draws the line at the invention of a weapon that tears a hole in creation and annihilates mankind. Calling that demonic is certifiable and stupid, apparently. Is Tucker off his rocker? When Oppenheimer was at Harvard, uh, he joined a group that used satanic poems as liturgy. Four years before he died, he was asked what book was the most influential for his vocational attitude and listed a collection of satanic poetry that praises the devil throughout it. Its pages are crowded with demons, damnation, vampires, possession, death, blasphemy, and rebellion against God. His favorite poem, the one from Harvard, praises Satan as the giver of forbidden knowledge and for giving the light of new inventions. This is like um Kabbalah's stuff. And uh like reading um reading Maudsley's the reason I thought this would be a good show is because I thought it would be a good primer for Maudsley because going through the Freud stuff, it's weird how some Jews have like this obsession with like either satanic stuff or the idea of like killing like Freud was obsessed with this myth of killing Moses that he he like that he would he believed the Jews killed Moses their prophet, and it's like he was just substituting Moses for Christ. It was it was really bizarre the stuff, the stuff that Freud was into. Um uh so all right, so Isidore Rabbi, his friend and Nobel Prize-winning physicist, said Oppenheimer sometimes turned away from the hard, crude methods of theoretical physics into a mystical realm of broad intuition. The physicist reportedly turned to metaphysics to give him knowledge from a mysterious unknown source. He learned Sanskrit to study from the what Rob said before, bag Bhagavad Bhagavad Gita, the way the Bible scholars learn Greek to study the scriptures. And historian James Hajia said without the inspiration of the Gita, Oppenheimer might not have been able or willing to direct Los Alamos. He named Ground Zero for the first atomic blast, giving it the codename Trinity. Oppenheimer was Jewish, mind you. The first victim of atomic weaponry was the Trinity. Coincidence. And then the famous line, I am death, the destroyer of worlds, comes from a Hindu demon god. Was he just citing the demon, or was the demon taking credit and identifying himself? Jack Parsons was one of the pioneers of American rocketry who would eventually make long-range, long-range nuclear missiles possible. He was also a devoted follower of Alistair Crowley, joined the Ordo Templi Orientis, headed its agape lodge, and reportedly recited Crowley's hymn to pan during rocket tests. In 1946, Parsons and future Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard performed the Babylon Working, a series of ceremonial rituals using Enochian magic. Yeah, right. Enochian magic in an attempt to manifest the telemic goddess Babylon. He later proclaimed himself the Antichrist, developed a form of witchcraft, venerating Babylon and Lucifer, and describes his age in occult terms as one of fire, power, violence, and energy, characterized by war and the discovery and liberation of new energies. I mean, we're I'm stopping there for a second. This goes on, but okay, you're gonna tell me these guys aren't seriously involved in the occult, these guys aren't worshiping Satan himself. Come on. In other words, one of the men helping pioneer the technology that would eventually carry atomic weapons across continents was not merely interested in the occult, he was practicing ceremonial magic and deliberately attempting contact with non-human spiritual intelligences. I uh

AI As A Conduit For Spirits

SPEAKER_05 18:48

it's part of the uh stuff that what's that uh Anna Pasolka? Like, I I did you watch any of her Rogan interview? I have no idea who you're talking about. Alright, so Anna Pasolka, she's like a she's Catholic and she starts looking into the UAP phenomena. And her I think what she's saying is she thinks what AI is going to be is a conduit for humans to interact with these non-human intelligences.

SPEAKER_03 19:23

Like a silicone-powered Ouija board, something like that, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:28

Yeah, because I've seen clips of people talking about how they're using AI to remote view and all this stuff. Like this is this is what we talked about when we had Daniel O'Connor on by saying, like, we were like, there's two two things that can happen with AI. One is it just becomes like uh a thing that eats itself, where it's just you know, it's like the LLM basically devours itself and it just keeps spitting out garbage because entropy gone crazy, exactly. Yeah, or it's going to be a way to embody these non-human intelligences. So, like, all of this stuff is connected. It's so it's so weird. Like, you you get into 1947, the atomic bomb comes about, the UAP phenomena starts, and it and they already start talking about artificial intelligence. It is kind of interesting. You'll see people read something from like the 1950s and 60s, and they talk about artificial intelligence, and people are like, He was telling the future, and it's like, no, this was like this was what I mean. You go back to Terminator 2, and it was you were in 1997, it was like, Oh, the A we achieved AI and the machines take over. Like, we've been talking about this for decades and decades, since the invention of the atomic bomb, at least.

SPEAKER_03 20:37

Yeah, I I mean you know, the it's believed that Satan was a member of the cherubim, right? And the the cherubim are like the knowledge keepers, right? And so Satan has always been um intricate intricately connected with with knowledge and the pursuit of knowledge, and you know, the the the fall was was Eve wanting the knowledge of good and evil, you know. So I I mean I it literally part of the fallen human condition is is searching for knowledge from Satan himself, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 21:17

And and and how they're all you're looking at, all these tech guys looking to reverse the curse of the garden, like all of this stuff is so interconnected, man. It's such a trip. Like, we are living through some wild times, guys. So um, of course, the Bible speaks of demonic forces interacting with mankind, the powers and principalities of darkness and high places, intelligent and personable beings of superior intelligence who interact with man and in revelation incite the kings of the earth to make war. That's in the book of Enoch. So uh Molly's saying this is such a guy's episode. Um, I want to talk about something on locals tonight that uh I want to yeah, I won't I want to talk about uh Catholic weddings, uh like non-Catholic Catholics attending non-Catholic weddings. We'll get we'll get into it on the other side, but I also have kind of like a little update on that, Rob, which I think you'll find interesting. Um, good, good, like yeah, like really, really. Like, I'm just I have complete faith in God that that situation is going to work out, okay. Like complete faith in God.

SPEAKER_03 22:19

Um, worst case, maybe we'll turn into good content for the channel.

SPEAKER_05 22:23

Yeah, that's worst case scenario. Um, so uh the book of Enoch. All right, so the cited in the Bible by Jude and Peter explains a passage in the old testament of these beings coming down to earth and involving themselves in the last uh in the lives of men. Frankly, it sounds exactly like the tales from every ancient culture on earth in their stories of the Anunnaki who came from the heavens to teach them the art of warfare and technologies that exceeded their understanding. This is what we talked about with Michael uh Hitchbourne, right? Like, like what what are what are these ancient monoliths that exist? Are they pre the anti-deluvian like structures that exist, but that they were built with the help from from these intelligences, things like that? None of this means that demons help make the atomic bomb. What it does mean is that it's not crazy to think so. In fact, it does indeed seem like some dean something demons would be very excited about. So, other than reading from Israel's cue cards today, why would Metaxis allege Tucker was crazy for believing it? After all, if Candace and anti-Semitism and the DNC are demonic, why not nuclear weaponry? Metaxas's reaction makes more sense.

SPEAKER_03 23:36

Hold on, to be fair, according to Candace, she is Legion.

SPEAKER_05 23:41

That is so bizarre. I think she's just dumb and doesn't know what she's saying.

SPEAKER_03 23:45

She does I I agree.

SPEAKER_05 23:47

I have to imagine she's just dumb and doesn't know what she's saying.

SPEAKER_03 23:50

Like the charitable assumption is she's just functionally illiterate and doesn't know what that means.

SPEAKER_05 23:56

She doesn't know what that story is from. She doesn't understand that that's literally from the story of Christ um exorcising the demon from the man, and the demon says, We are legion. Like that's what that story is from. Um, that's what that phrase is from. Um, so Matax's reaction makes more sense when you understand his post-war civil religion, which is post-war consensus, right?

Postwar Civil Religion And Taboo History

SPEAKER_05 24:21

That's what this all is. Bonhoffer is its main, is its martyr and prophet, the Holocaust is its atonement, Churchill its Messiah figure, and the an allied victory functions as the final judgment of history, granting the victors an almost retroactive moral authority over whatever they did to win. Tucker's theory threatens that arrangement because it permits Satan into the machinery of Allied victory itself. That is so that paragraph is so powerful.

SPEAKER_03 24:50

That I mean, everything about the post-war consensus and the world we live in now is an attempt to convince us that we're not fighting the same spiritual battle we've always been fighting. Yeah, yeah. Or or that if we that that that battle was won when we defeated, you know, the the new Satan named Hitler, more or less. Yeah, it's Holocaustianity.

SPEAKER_05 25:10

Like that's that's it's Holocaustianity, which that phrase was coined by Williamson, I'm pretty sure. Like I'm pretty sure Williamson coined that phrase, right? Holocaustianity. It's like it's not one Jew who died for our sins, it's all the Jews had to die for us. That's the whole point in calling it the Holocaust. Like Christ was the final Holocaust. Right. It's a it's a denial of it. Like, yeah, it's suddenly Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki can be judged as moral acts rather than automatically sanctified. Sorry, guys. Suddenly, Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki can be judged as moral acts rather than automatically sanctified because of the ally because the allies committed them. Metaxis is perfectly comfortable finding demons in Hitler, communism, Islam, anti-Semitism, witchcraft, and his political enemies. But the demonic influence aboard an American bomber, however, and supernaturalism becomes insanity. That isn't Christianity, it's the national mythology wearing Christian clothes. Holocausting enemy, thanks. I'll use that in my history class of Monday report. Back how it goes. Yeah, you get a pass, bro. Yeah, you get a you get a pass like I get an M-word pass. You're allowed to say whatever you want. Um, yeah, so all right, he says, uh, this isn't Christianity, it's a national mythology wearing Christian clothes. Besides, if demons make war in the modern world, then maybe they have more than something to do with Israel killing 90% civilian non-combatants, a girl's school of 200 wiped off the face of Iran, and a war in Ukraine going on longer, then makes sense for literally no good reason. And if Satan isn't banned by the American border, and even the good guys can be subject to demonic influence, that destroys the liturgy of the civil religion. Mataxis has given his soul to worship. That's a brutal freaking line there. No, believing Satan could go nuclear must be dismissed post-haste, or too many suppositions fail at once. So instead, he's chosen to attack a Christian for believing in supernatural things. Satan can be blamed for criticizing the Israeli state, but not for making the nuclear bomb. Uh so I want to make sure this is JD Hall. I think it is JD Hall, right?

SPEAKER_03 27:39

I don't think I don't uh I think it is JD Hall.

SPEAKER_05 27:42

JD Hall is like a recent convert, I think. Not he's not, I don't know, I don't think he's Catholic, but it is um it is pretty cool that uh everyone kind of is awake to this stuff now. Like everyone's just kind of awake to this stuff now, and we're seeing everything breaking down. Like the the the the the the the Holocaust narrative is breaking down, the World War II narrative is breaking down. We're seeing how it's affected every single facet of our lives today. Like we look back, we're gonna do a 9-11 episode with Hitchborne because everybody was saying, oh, Hitchborne would have been good for this one. We're gonna have Hitchborne on for 9-11. Now, what I want to do for that episode is I want to spend in like three weeks, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:30

9-11's

Planning A 9-11 Deep Dive

SPEAKER_03 28:31

coming up for the 25th anniversary, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:34

So, what I want to do is yeah, that's on YouTube. I want to just talk about the day. Like, I just want to talk about like the day, reminisce, reminisce on on the day, um, because and you're booming business afterwards. Yeah, well, I mean, well, I'll get into all I mean, I was in New York when it happened, right? So I want to get into the day on YouTube, and then on locals, I want to get into all the conspiracy theories on it because Hitchborne's got some wild theories, and I I like I I have such a different view on that event now than I did then. Like, you just think about the the difference in how much our opinions have shifted just from having all these narratives break apart and seeing how much BS we've been fed in our lifetimes. Like everything is nonsense. Yeah, it's crazy. 25 years.

SPEAKER_03 29:31

I mean, you know, putting aside whether or not the event happened as we're told. The event did cause us to hold on to the post-war order another 20 years, 25 years, 20, 23 years, right?

SPEAKER_05 29:55

I mean, we're still clinging to it. So, yeah, it's not just it's not just building seven ocean though. Like, I don't I I used to think what's his name. Um what the hell is the wrestler that became governor? Don't say Jesse Ventura. Just I used to think Jesse Ventura was out of his freaking boat with the thermite paint.

SPEAKER_03 30:17

Okay, as a Minnesotan, trust me, he's out of his mind. He is out of his mind. I know, I know.

SPEAKER_05 30:23

But I look, I look at those planes hitting those buildings now, and I'm like, those planes shouldn't have taken down those buildings, dude. They shouldn't have taken down those buildings. I've been I I would have literally fought someone who said that years ago. The jet fueled streamed out, and it was I would have fought with them about it. And I'm just now I'm just like, yeah, I don't know. Like, I don't put it past any of them anymore to literally line that, but that they look like the detonation of a building.

SPEAKER_03 30:54

I wouldn't okay, so I mean, I well we're gonna talk about it in three weeks, but I wouldn't be surprised, like I I think maybe they were I I think they were surprised that the buildings came down actually. And then maybe there was something in building seven that was evidence of uh of the attack, and they're like, Well, I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_05 31:18

This building needs to come down. You get into the guy taking the insurance policy out like a week before he like the guy bought the buildings and put an insurance policy on it and up the insurance, like, but that's different because you could say he knew something was going to happen, but that doesn't mean he knew the buildings would come down, you know. I don't know. Look, there's there's a ton of shady stuff. I'm going to go, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna deep dive into the craziest conspiracy theories, and we'll bring that to that locals episode. I'm gonna have to drink. Rob's not a voice of reason, Rob's a voice of contrarian opinion. Like it's just I'm a i I exist to oppose Anthony. He's just being contrarian. He thinks he thinks the Jews loaded that thing with dynamite. Don't don't let him fool you.

SPEAKER_03 32:10

I should have just kept sleeping. I should have just kept sleeping.

SPEAKER_05 32:13

Um when you say did I see it, I don't know what you mean by that. I did not, I was not in the city when it when it happened. I was in a mad rush to get my wife, and it's it was just a hectic, insane day. Um but no, I was not like in the city. I was not in south southern Manhattan when it went down or anything. I was I like uh, you know, we but even just being in New York for the days following was such an intense time. So we'll get we'll get into all that. We'll we'll we'll go through a lot of it.

SPEAKER_03 32:43

And it's like, Ma, did you keep all the food, all the food food from the Y2K scare? We might need it.

SPEAKER_05 32:52

Growing up, my mom was convinced that the end of the world was coming in 2000, and she stockpiled food, and it had a lot to do with Mejigori and Marion Apparitions.

SPEAKER_03 33:10

Because of Mejigori, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_05 33:11

It was like all to do with Marion Apparitions, and then then this whole like you for you guys that don't know what Y2K is because a lot we have a lot of young dude.

SPEAKER_03 33:19

I went to Mass on Sunday. The Mormons should sponsor Garabandel.

SPEAKER_05 33:24

I I went to Mass on Sunday and met two guys who were attending their first Latin mass who are fans of the show, and they're 17 years old. Seven two 17-year-old guys who watched the show, Anthony and I think Jason, Jason or James, I forgot what the other guy, but one one kid's name is Anthony. Um, and they both watched the show and it was their first Latin mass. Really nice guy, really nice kids. But that just goes to show you like those kids would have no idea what Y2K is. So for the younger guys, like even uh Ocean. When when we were approaching the turn of the century, we were approaching the year 2000. They

Y2K Panic And Faith Aftershocks

SPEAKER_05 34:08

had us all convinced that every single computer was going to shut down and all the power was going to die, like like power plants were going to shut down because of some glitch in computers. That when they created them, they didn't account. What was it? Like what why was you why two c I don't even know how to explain it.

SPEAKER_03 34:26

I mean, basically that that when the dating when when dates were coded, that they were coded as a two-digit year, right?

SPEAKER_05 34:38

And that like 96, 97, 98, right, and that when that programs weren't written to account for a year that was zero zero.

SPEAKER_03 34:52

And I don't I don't know why. And it of course it proved to be completely stupid that they're like nothing happened.

SPEAKER_05 34:58

Listen to me, I'm telling K9 Shepard, I'm I did have Y2K fever because my mother made me think the world was going to end, okay. 2000 is the year I graduated, okay. We were at my friend's house for New Year's Eve 2000. I'm I'm uh I was I 18 yet. I might have been 17.

SPEAKER_03 35:18

Really, Y2K was invented so that the Geek Squad at Best Buy could you know charge you a couple hundred bucks to make sure you're gonna be able to do it. To come and fix your computer and stuff. They had us all thinking like power plants were gonna shut down and they were selling software updates and other programmers.

SPEAKER_05 35:35

They made it like the world was was going to be in chaos, you know. So New Year's Eve 2000. I don't know if I turned 18 yet. I think I turned 18 in the year 2000. So no, I was 17. We're at my friend's house, counting down, and I ran in the basement and found the freaking the the circuit breaker, and I as soon as it hit zero, I flipped the circuit breakers down and everybody freaked out.

SPEAKER_04 36:01

Good times, man. It was a fun night.

SPEAKER_03 36:05

Well, and you know, being um being at central time, you know, like we had the advantage of hey, if stars stuff's happening at midnight, we'll see it happen over on the east coast first. That's true, yeah. You would yeah, that's money. So when we're watching the the ball come down, it's actually about to be 11 o'clock. The ball comes down and nothing happens, and it's like poof. I don't have to worry for the next hour.

SPEAKER_05 36:34

So, so uh people saying like they didn't really think about it much. You have to I'm trying to explain to you guys first Y2K audits, that's what it was. Every business was doing Y2K audits. Yeah, I see. I was in the construction world, I had no idea what was going on there, but in my home, like this was like end of the world fervor. Okay, so like my mom showed me like bleeding statues, and like, why is the statue of Mary crying? Like that, like I'm telling you, we thought it it was so much that my older brother, when those things didn't happen, that I think that was part of the reason my brother lost his faith. Like, my brother was really like expecting this stuff to happen, and when it didn't happen, he kind of was just like, none of all this stuff. It's all BS. Like this, the end of the world's not coming, knock it off, and it caused him to lose his faith, you know. Whereas me, it definitely had an impression, and it it also like I never forgot the miracles of Catholicism, right? So, like I knew about Eucharistic miracles, I knew about marrying apparitions, I knew about bleeding statues, I knew about incorruptible saints, I knew about all that stuff. So that even when those years I was away from the faith, like away from the I don't even say away from the faith, away from the sacraments. I was never like I was away from the sacraments, like I never doubted there was only one place to go, you know? And it's what it's what made me, even though I married a Lutheran girl, say, no, no, no, we're getting married in the church because I wasn't going to mass at the time. But those things that my mom told me about like ingrained something in me enough to say, no way, I'm not, I won't get married outside the church. Like I always knew the sacraments were real. I always did. Like I always always knew the sacraments were real. Who's

Kid Cameo And Home Life Reset

SPEAKER_05 38:21

that? Maddie or uh uh Iggy.

SPEAKER_04 38:29

What's up, bud?

SPEAKER_02 38:41

What's up, Egg? Did you guys did you guys have you guys have a birthday cake for Bash the other night?

SPEAKER_00 38:52

Uh no. Cupcakes, you got cupcakes?

SPEAKER_02 39:02

And baby bash is one now?

SPEAKER_00 39:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:05

One year old? Are you being a good big brother? Are you being a good big brother? Yeah. How old are you now? How how old are you now?

SPEAKER_00 39:23

Five?

SPEAKER_02 39:24

You're five?

SPEAKER_00 39:25

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 39:26

Wow, you're a big boy.

SPEAKER_00 39:27

I was when I I was I would do a ball.

SPEAKER_04 39:34

What'd he say?

SPEAKER_00 39:38

I would do ball.

SPEAKER_05 39:41

Oh, you were just four.

SPEAKER_02 39:44

Well, all right. Well, it was nice talking to you, Iggy.

SPEAKER_00 39:48

But I didn't. And bye.

SPEAKER_02 39:50

Now you're five, I know. He's just like Rob.

SPEAKER_00 39:57

I love you, Bobby.

SPEAKER_02 39:59

I see you, buddy.

SPEAKER_00 40:01

Bye-bye.

SPEAKER_02 40:02

Bye-bye. He's just like Rob.

SPEAKER_00 40:04

And by the way, I read your hair.

SPEAKER_02 40:06

He likes your hair.

SPEAKER_05 40:10

This is how we had talks at work. Uh oh, he said he wishes he was still four. Oh, okay. He said he wishes he was still four. Um I said, I said, did you have cake for uh Basper's birthday the other day? He said, No, I had cupcakes.

SPEAKER_03 40:26

Cupcake, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:27

He had cupcakes. Um, yeah, so like that fervor growing up in my house, like it was, I'm telling you, my whole basement was stocked with canned food and all this stuff because we really it was just like I I have a feeling chef boyard wasn't allowed though. Uh I don't know. My parents, we were pretty ghetto, dude. We didn't have like Italian standards like that. We don't care. No, there was no chef boyard or spaghettios or anything, but like like even in my house, I'm not I'm not like Rayos isn't beneath me, you know. It's like we'll do we'll do uh jar sauce in a in a in a g in a jam or something, but um yeah. Speaking of uh Catholic weddings, maybe we'll go to the other side, we'll cut this one short. Yeah, it's like this was the whitest member of avoiding bad ball. Um yeah, so all right, so we're going to do the Y2K episode. I thought I just thought that was a really good um 9-11 by JD Hall.

SPEAKER_03 41:29

9-11 episode, not Y2K.

SPEAKER_05 41:32

Oh, well, we could talk both of them. Yeah, we're gonna do a 9-11 episode with Hitchborne in three weeks, though we have him booked already. And um it's uh I but I thought that whole thing, like getting into how this really is the religion for for the neocons, especially. Like all of us are willing to touch these taboos now. It's kind of interesting how like we're gonna have Maudsley on Saturday, and I I kind of want to reminisce about like just like how how far we've come on this issue because I feel like he's kind of evolved on it the same time as us. We've all like together collectively started to go, wait a minute, something's not right here. And then we went from like thinking some things were off to just deep diving into the like that that relationship between Jews and Christians that hasn't been spoken about in 60 years. Yeah, it's kind of kind of wild. Like, we all discovered it together, like even Sam Shimun on that episode, like he never really talked about that stuff. That's really a recent thing for him, too. Um love the sponsors, free new AB.

SPEAKER_03 42:42

What is that? Um he's trying to remind us to talk about our sponsors, which we are about to.

Sponsors, Contest, And Locals Tease

SPEAKER_05 42:50

Um, I was trying to um think of a good Knickknack success story. But all right, so we're gonna go to the other side. Yeah, I don't know. There's not much.

SPEAKER_03 43:02

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SPEAKER_05 43:06

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SPEAKER_03 44:17

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SPEAKER_05 44:21

That you get a video of Michael Matt saying yes, he is aware of us. We'll throw 100 bucks your way. Uh um, okay. So we are also go to blackmonkrosary.com. Uh, use code avoiding babylon at checkout there. You'll also get 10% off. Been using my black monk rosary every day again. Really love having that rosary in my truck. It smashes every time I hit a pothole, nearly breaks the shifter cable on my on my truck. It's pretty amazing. I got a sending.

SPEAKER_03 44:55

I'm trying to convince them to come up with an avoiding babylon themed rosary, but he says you guys haven't bought enough using our code yet. So you have to go buy more rosary. Oh, come on.

SPEAKER_05 45:04

Yeah, they're paying us for this, guys. Go and buy a black monk rosary. Are you kidding? You guys are not on the team. That's the problem. You guys are not on the team. So go to Black Monk Rosary, get 10% off your rosary using code Avoiding Babylon. All right, we're gonna go to the other side. I want to talk some. Oh, one of my co-workers got arrested.

SPEAKER_03 45:21

Yeah, I saw that.

SPEAKER_05 45:24

Again, another co-worker arrested. Ghost ghost ghost guns again or no, it wasn't that. It was it was for assault. Oh hear the story on the other side. If you guys want to know behind-the-scenes stuff, that's why we do it. So um, and then maybe one of these days we'll do an episode of locals just trashing Cedar Baconte. I just feel I just hate that little shit. So maybe we'll just do an episode one day. Not not tonight, but maybe one day. We'll see. I don't know if I want to give them the I don't know if I want to waste oxygen on them, but we'll see. Um, all right, we'll see you guys on the other side.

SPEAKER_03 46:02

It'll be the most anyone's ever thought about them.

SPEAKER_05 46:04

It is true. All right, take us out, Rob.

SPEAKER_03 46:08

Okay, I'm I don't I'm not gonna do a video. We're just doing this.

SPEAKER_05 46:14

Just killing the feeds.

SPEAKER_03 46:15

Just killing the feeds.

SPEAKER_05 46:19

Let me bring the locals chat up. That's gotta be a terrible way to end the YouTube feed.