Why Women Defend Murderous Moms and Immodest Girlfriends

A mother kills three children and the internet immediately starts bargaining with reality. We dig into the Lindsay Clancy trial, the postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis claims surrounding it, and the unnerving trend of people avoiding plain language like “murder” while trying to relocate guilt onto doctors, medications, or even the husband. Yes, psychiatric medication harm is real. No, euphemisms don’t bring children justice. We try to hold both truths at once, without flinching. 

Joshua Charles and Mike Pantile join us for a wide ranging conversation that connects true crime headlines to everyday moral formation. We talk about SSRI stacking, withdrawal, intrusive thoughts, and why “mental health awareness” can become a permission slip instead of a warning label. We also react to public commentary from pro-life influencers, contrasting language that blurs responsibility with reactions that insist on accountability and consequences. 

Then we pivot to the viral modesty tweet that triggered a full blown backlash: the outrage wasn’t just about clothing, it was about whether a man is allowed to ask anything of a woman at all. That opens into fraternal correction, boundaries in courtship, standards in marriage, and the way social media trains all of us to chase validation instead of truth. If you care about family, faith, and sanity in modern relationships, this one will challenge you. 

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Awkward Cold Open And Setup

SPEAKER_04 1:21

Yo. Oh my gosh, dude.

SPEAKER_06 1:23

Yo, Tappia, you kidding me? That was the most uncomfortable intro I've ever sat through. Rob, you previewed that? Yeah. Oh my gosh. That was so uncomfortable to say that. Good evening, gentlemen. Please let this end soon. This is so you guys have a good night.

SPEAKER_04 1:49

I'm out of here now, boys.

SPEAKER_06 1:50

That was oh my gosh. Oh my goodness, Taffy, that was the most offensive thing you've ever put on our channel. Oh my gosh, bro. All right. Well, okay, for context, for context, for those of you who don't know, uh Chris Benoit killed his entire family. Oh, CTE. I think it even works. So, okay, so but the reason I think Taffy, I think Taffy was going for something. Irony, the irony is yeah, like a lot of the craziness around this whole story is that when Chris did do that, nobody jumped. There was no sympathy for him. It was no sympathy for Chris, right? Nobody was like, oh, but you had a psychotic break, and oh, what about the meds he was on? What about this? And what about that? But it's it is interesting how um because look, this it oh man. Well, should I do introductions first before we jump into this?

SPEAKER_07 2:43

Oh if they want to be involved with this, still everybody everybody obviously knows Joshua Joshua Charles and Mike Panty.

SPEAKER_06 2:50

How have you guys been?

SPEAKER_05 2:52

I'm uh I was better like three minutes ago.

SPEAKER_06 2:57

I didn't know that Rob. I can't believe Rothlet that one slowly are you serious? That was so offensive.

SPEAKER_04 3:06

Yo, and that that's saying a lot, man. Everybody in the comments, like, dude,

From Chris Benoit To Clancy

SPEAKER_04 3:10

what is what's going on with Taffy? That's saying a lot, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 3:14

Man, that was a bit much. I mean, Josh Patrols has quite the reputation of hold, and Mike, Mike is Mike's trying to recover from his C mask days, he's trying to patch things back. There's no getting away from it, dude. I'm perma blackballed, dude. So it is what it is. Oh my goodness. Um, so all right. So the the the the the context is that um uh it's been interesting to watch because I'll I'll I'll I'll tell you, I like I have kept an eye on this case, and the thing is uh it's not about giving sympathy to her, but it there is a kind of uh insanity to what these doctors did in that they just kept prescribing this woman medication after medication. Every time they gave her a new medication, she seemed to spiral and get worse and worse.

SPEAKER_07 3:59

And it's it's like none of them she went to different uh medical networks, so that none of them knew what Elsie was thinking.

SPEAKER_06 4:08

Yeah, so like they didn't, but yeah, so they weren't in contact with each other and stuff. But she clearly had like some kind of psych med harm that happened. But the the point of pointing out those two scenarios is that when it happened, Chris Benoit, all of us, including myself, were just like, what an evil POS. But when it happens to this girl and you're hearing all this stuff, like the immediate reaction that I'm seeing from the majority of women and a lot of people is that they're looking to exonerate her from the guilt. You should probably mention her name because Lindsay Clancy. So, yeah, if anybody doesn't uh classic lapping into the story without explaining what it is. So we're talking about Lindsay uh Lindsay Clancy, right? Is that her name? Lindsay Lindsay Clancy, who's on trial right now for taking the lives of her three children. Now she was uh the story that I mean, she's got some lawyer, man. I'll tell you, but the story is basically that she she got postpartum depression after her last child. Eight months after the baby, she went into psychosis saying she went into a postpartum psychosis, sent the husband, like very methodically, sent her husband, ordered food and said to her husband, go to the go to the pharmacy, get medicine, and then go pick up the food that I ordered. And in that half an hour time that he was out of the house, she strangled her three children. And it's a horrific story, like beyond horrifying. But the reaction from people online is also pretty insane, especially coming from women, because what what you're seeing is one group of women trying to say that it wasn't even her, the husband did the whole thing, and another group of women just empathizing with the woman and saying any one of us could have snapped and killed our children. And I find that horrifying.

SPEAKER_05 5:56

You know, there it both can be true at the same time. You can acknowledge that these psychiatric men's meds are a portal to the demonic. I mean, I years ago, I was on you know, antidepressants and all this stuff, and there was some serious uh darkness to what came to my mind during that time. Praise be to God, I got out of it. I mean, this that stack that she was on, I mean, that's that's that's horrific. But at the same time, too, it you can say both things. Yes, that's obviously negligence on the doctor's part, and uh she's evil and murderous and you know deserves the death penalty. I don't think they're mutually exclusive.

SPEAKER_06 6:31

Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly. Like, I've I've been watching Matt Walsh kind of go off on this topic, and I'm like, he's a hundred percent right. Like that there's this these children deserve justice. This woman needs like I don't even know what this trial is about. Is it really about is she going to spend the rest of her life in prison or the rest of her life in a psych ward? Or is like there's an actual chance this woman could get off because you could get a hung jury and they could get a mistrial, and then the then they have to decide if they want to prosecute this a different way or do they want to retry her? Or she could with the the jury that's up there, man. You never know. They could say she wasn't actually like responsible for what happened.

SPEAKER_07 7:14

Has anyone asked John Deloney what he thinks about this?

SPEAKER_05 7:16

I was just gonna say if he was involved, this wouldn't have never happened.

SPEAKER_06 7:20

Um yeah, so it's it's just uh it it's kind of a a a topic that I'm off starting starting to discuss tonight, but because we were going to get you guys on to kind of discuss the whole mayhem that Josh started last week, which um I thought what Josh wrote was kind of innocent.

SPEAKER_07 7:36

That was like three weeks ago, actually.

SPEAKER_06 7:38

Yeah, it was it was a couple weeks ago at this point. It was it it was kind of innocent what you said. It was just like this, you know, just like, hey, a good way to judge a character.

SPEAKER_05 7:52

Is it just Anthony cut out for you guys too?

SPEAKER_08 7:55

Yeah, just in here, Miller.

SPEAKER_05 7:57

Yeah, so uh uh Josh, you basically said uh a good way to judge uh uh a future partner is to ask her to dress more modestly and to observe her reaction. Is that correct? Is that what you said?

SPEAKER_08 8:08

Yeah, I said if if she's if she's um basically if she's not being modest to request, I think I specifically used that word or ask, you know, ask her to be more modest, request her to be more modest. And if she doesn't, she um is rejecting Christ's authority, so she'd reject your authority as a husband, move on. Something like that.

SPEAKER_05 8:27

And I think at the core at the at the core of that, there's a there's a big these women seem to think that when you're you're courting, there's no kind of playing ball. You you've got to kind of test each other, man. As a guy, you're kind of showing that you can protect and provide, and a woman's gotta show that she's docile and submissive and humble and all these things. Um, I mean, I I I I I wish I could say that I was surprised by the reaction. I mean, listen, okay, so uh Rob, you have daughters? You do, right? I have one, yeah. You have one, Anthony. I know you got daughters. Wouldn't you expect them, if they were dating a guy, to show wifely qualities? Is that not something you would instill into?

SPEAKER_07 9:06

It's like the whole point of courting.

SPEAKER_05 9:11

So what's this?

SPEAKER_08 9:12

And you know what's even richer though? You know what's even richer though is and I'm recovering from some throat stuff, so I'll I'm gonna probably stay a bit more minimal tonight. But um what's even more shocking to me is well, one, it's it was great advice I've heard from multiple priests. So I I thought it was the most common sense, banal thing ever, maybe get a few likes, a few hundred at most. Got like over a million views, thousands and thousands of posts for like almost a whole week on X. It was pretty shocking. Um, but the thing is, is um, I I completely agree with everything you just said, Mike, but you can even abstract it further. Like public immodesty is a sin. And as a Catholic, all of us can be held accountable in a church, you know, being charitable and whatever. We can be held accountable for our public sins. It's called fraternal correction. So you don't need it, doesn't even need to be a test of docility, which I'm fine with.

Med Stacking And Moral Responsibility

SPEAKER_08 10:05

It's a I mean, this is stuff that if a if a brother of mine was uh sinning publicly, um, I mean, all of us have had these conversations behind the scenes. We'll call each other up, be like, bro, I think you should reconsider something you said or something you did or whatever. And it's like, and if you don't submit, all of us, you know, assuming it's like just a clear case of right and wrong, all of us would see that as a problem. We'd be like, What is wrong with my friend?

SPEAKER_07 10:27

Josh, it's it's fraternal correction because women never need correction.

SPEAKER_08 10:32

Well, that's why I sent you that video clip uh with Jack Nicholson, Rob, because I I think it's probably one of the best um summaries of um of what we're dealing with.

SPEAKER_06 10:44

Well, we're going we're going to go through we're going to go through a few clips just because I want to give people an idea of what we're talking about with with the way people are reacting to this. But Josh, with your tweet, I don't think it was the modesty thing that struck. I think it was the idea that you would dare tell a woman anything. Like, if you see the way people reacted to it, it wasn't I'm telling you, what it was way deeper. It was like, how dare you think that you're gonna date someone and and you weren't even like I'm telling this woman, you were like, I'm going to request this.

SPEAKER_08 11:20

And so and I've I've had this experience, I've had this experience with a Catholic woman. I'll never say her name to respect her dignity and privacy, but and she's a great woman in many ways. But we had this discussion, and I said, I think um the pictures you post on your Instagram are way too revealing, they're very tight, and they show a lot, they show too much. Um, if that's not something that um you're willing to take down, um, I I don't think our relationship will get much further because I I really find things like that, you know, unacceptable. Um, and she disagreed, and so it was a it made things clear, so it made things easy. So, like the parting of ways was actually quite easy at that point because I I prefer clarity to agreement and things like that. And, you know, as far as the um, you know, I I did want to mention Mike and I talk about this privately, and I think Mike talks about it publicly as well. I think it's important to say, you know, we need to be, you know, we do a weekly Great Rosier campaign for eternal Christendom. I want to do one for women, I want to do one for the guys too, but we need to be, you know, I said at one point to Melody Lyons, you know, I'm praying for you. And I didn't mean that in a patronizing way. I literally put the phone down. I prayed three Hail Mary's for. I think it's really important. Like we don't, we cannot use prayer in a patronizing way, but I do think praying and fasting for people, there's clearly a diabolical disorientation of some kind among a lot of these women. Um, I've got a number of things to say on this, but I'd say maybe we can expand on it as we go on, you know, get somebody else to talk. But but in short, one thing I love about the Church Fathers so much, you know, as you all know, I dive into that a lot, is they talk about sin and righteousness as being a man, being a rational creature, acting according to reason, or being a beast. And women have rational souls as well. So women are accountable to acting reasonable as well. Um, you know, there's prudence, we adjust our expectations per all sorts of circumstances. But when women are having these unhinged reactions, like honestly, it doesn't bother me. I'm not perturbed by what irrational people think. There were some women who had some decent responses. Leah Labresco was uh one of them. I disagreed with her, but I understood her reaction. But the amount of things I was called a creeper, a dictator, a controller, manipulator, whatever. And it's just like, you know, I think men need to stop. Part of recognizing a woman's actual dignity is expecting her to be reasonable. Um, that doesn't mean to the same degree as a man, necessarily. Um, just being honest, because women have hormonal issues that we don't. And I think there's just literally a physical, biological reality there. I'm I know it sounds offensive to people, whatever. I don't care.

SPEAKER_05 13:51

Dude, it's true, man.

SPEAKER_08 13:52

It's true. But but the but the point is they are accountable to reason just as much as we are. Like the whole reason, like, I mean, Christ is the logos, the reason who has taken flesh, and he gives us his grace in the sacraments and prayer through the intercession of the saints, whatever it may be. He gives us his grace so that, you know, in original sin, our mind stopped being tethered to God, our passion stopped being submitted to our mind, and our body stopped being submitted to our soul. Every lower thing was no longer submitted to a higher thing. So when we get Jesus' grace, we not only get forgiveness, but we get a new principle of order in our souls that is from him, it's his divine life. And it ultimately will result in our bodies being submitted to our souls once more with our new bodies uh in the resurrection, our lower passions being submitted to our mind and our mind being once more submitted to God. That's why Paul talks about being transformed by the renewing of your mind. Women are as this is as good news for women as for men. And so if men want women to behave differently and not, you know, get away with these sorts of tantrums, then you know, gently, charitably, um, we don't put up with it anymore. It's really that simple. And we need to expect it of ourselves as well.

SPEAKER_06 15:01

You know, one of the most interesting things was all of the married women chiming in on uh on that, saying my husband would never dare tell me not not to wear something. Like I was shocked by that. Um did I say it? Did I say that right now?

SPEAKER_08 15:15

I I said poor husband.

SPEAKER_06 15:16

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I can't, I there's been so many times where I have told my wife, no, I'm not comfortable with that. But the reverse is true as well, where my wife will tell me, I don't want you to wear that, you know.

SPEAKER_07 15:27

Well, yeah, in hop shirt probably shouldn't be worn out all the time, man.

SPEAKER_06 15:31

Yeah, like that I would think that's like just something you do in a marriage is look out for each other when something doesn't look good on you. You just you just say no, don't wear that, you know. But it was just like this idea that how dare a man ever have an input, like like you're not allowed to have a standard for the woman you're with in any capacity whatsoever. It was just it was it was it was baffling to me the response to that. I was actually really happy that you didn't take it down because not that I have not that I've ever seen you back down in a situation like that, but you did catch uh an onslaught of criticism from it, and I was happy to see you left it off.

SPEAKER_08 16:07

Like I said, I'm not concerned with what irrational people think. This is the golden cow of many women, especially in the social media age. And men too, by the way. Whenever I see uh buddy of mine and our like Mike and I have talked about this, like when a guy's out there trying to be all tight on his chest and his workout clothes and like look, take all the his Instagram and pictures. I think that's immodest too, and he should stop. I think that's vain and and effeminate. But most women, their idol, well, I don't want to say most, many women, uh, I think definitely the majority or more, their idol is using their body in whatever way uh they can in order to attract men or attention

The Modesty Tweet That Exploded

SPEAKER_08 16:40

from men. Now, on the other side, this doesn't make their uh their uh uh uh behavior excusable. We men, I I'll take credit, I was addicted to pornography for many years. Guess what? I contributed to women feeling the need they need to do that, and I'm ashamed of it. And we need to own that. And that's why, you know, I did a post a few months or a month or so prior where I said if you're a man and you know you're looking to get married uh and you're still struggling with masturbation and pornography, you haven't been free of that for six months. I don't think you should date, and I don't think you have any right to complain about women. Um and and most men seem to get it, but there are quite a few who push back, acting as if they're sort of entitled to these things. It's just pathetic. It's utterly pathetic.

SPEAKER_06 17:23

I'll tell you the same thing. I tell my daughters, like, if don't ever date a guy who takes selfies because he's too in love with himself to ever love you, you know. Like it's just the it's just the like if a guy's taking selfies, like it's gross behavior, you know.

SPEAKER_08 17:36

So I'll just say one final thing to close out my my my segment here is there are tons and tons of things. I have zero problem with a Catholic woman checking a Catholic man on. Zero. If the if he's not attending Sunday mass, if he's not getting, if he does have any porn or anything like that in his life saying this needs to stop, um, if he's immodest on social media, if he is weird or um lustful or or anything of that sort inappropriate in his interactions with other women, there's if he if he doesn't have a good job and if he's not working toward getting a good job for providing, there's a million and one things Catholic women are a thousand percent in their right and their duty, their obligation to test a man they're they're dating to or courting, whatever you guys want to call it, um, to become a husband. Um, zero problem. But this is why you know I jokingly said, but I actually the older I get, the more I mean it. I really don't believe a lot of women when they say what they what they want, because they'll say they want equality. Well, it's like fine, equality. I'm fine with a Catholic woman testing a Catholic man on a million different things. So you'll be you'll be fine with a Catholic man testing you on a lot of things too, won't you? That's a quality. Of course, but of course, it usually now some good women they're fine with that. But it doesn't go that way for a lot of women. They don't actually want what they say they want. Because if they did, they wouldn't have had a problem with what I think.

SPEAKER_05 18:52

It's a giant, it's a giant shit test, dude. Not to refer to the red pill, but like I said, a lot of their diagnosis is very much correct. I mean, not to use foul language, that that that's what it is, really is a fitness test. We've men have been so used to being in the longhouse that a woman comes up and says these things, she might not even believe it. Maybe her emotions drive her to that. Um, and we on our side, we perpetuate this dysphoria. How do we perpetuate the dysphoria? By engaging with them as if we're engaging with a man, which is also a problem that we've got to keep ourselves accountable to, to your point. Is you know, I don't engage, really haven't ever engaged except for one time, which I took to confession, by the way, with Melody Lyons back in March. You know, I'll say that publicly. I said one thing to her, and then I immediately prayed for her, to your point, which is incredibly important. But let's not talk to them as if they're men. Yeah. What what I just don't engage with women online. Pray for them, you know, present the argument, you know, charitably, let the Holy Spirit bridge the gap. We can't force these conversions, but we can display the fruits of it online. This is why I made a video um uh several weeks ago. Being base can really send you to hell. I mean, the the sin of uh of scandal, immodest speech. I mean, lest we fall into judgment because of the same very same hypocrisy that we're calling out. I think it's I think it's it's appropriate to audit yourself before engaging in these types of conversations. I think what you said is stellar.

SPEAKER_06 20:12

Um I would like to get into some of the reactions uh to this stuff because what I want I want to kind of talk about like how social media really is breaking. Like I the the the gender problem that we're having right now, where I mean I just I just I just feel like modern women are so broken at this point. Like, I don't even know, not all of them, obviously, but the way this whole Lindsay Clancy thing's being handled, the way the reactions were to Josh's tweet, I just don't know. Like, I don't want this to just be like a what like I told my wife not to watch this episode episode tonight. I'm like, it's gonna be rough. They're just gonna be talking about women tonight. But it's the the way that they're reacting to some of this stuff, it just scares me. And I don't know if it's because of social media, I don't know if it's because of these SSRIs that everybody's on. Like Mike, you said you were on on a medication a while back. I was too back in 2016. Um, I stopped going to mass in 2016 and like things started spiral. I was losing my temper. So I went on Cymbalta for like a like six to eight months, I think I was on it. And I remember coming off of that stuff, and it was one of the most horrible experiences I've ever had. Like it was the withdrawals of coming off that stuff. Like, you get brain zaps, you you like it, you get vertigo. It's really, really intense coming. I'm so glad I got off of it. But really, just going back to mass in the sacraments was all I actually needed. I was away from the sacraments for that period of time, and things just got completely out of out of hand for me. But once I came back, I didn't need that stuff anymore. So um, Rob, do you have which clip do you want to play first? I sent a bunch.

SPEAKER_07 21:55

I don't know. I didn't watch them. You tell me not to watch them.

SPEAKER_06 21:58

Uh oh, I saw you have one loaded up. I didn't know

SPEAKER_07 22:00

Know if that was oh that one's uh that's Joshua sent that. Do we want to watch that?

SPEAKER_08 22:05

It's pretty funny. It's a short clip from a movie, Jack Nicholson.

SPEAKER_02 22:10

You have no idea what your work means to me.

SPEAKER_08 22:14

What does it mean to you? He's a best-selling novel.

SPEAKER_04 22:22

Oh god, this is like a nightmare.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

Oh, come on. Just a couple of questions. How hard is that? How do you write women so well?

SPEAKER_08 22:35

I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.

SPEAKER_06 22:50

Um, all right, that was funny. Uh Rob, I want to start with um I want to start with the difference between Lila Rose and Katie Miller's tweet. Yep. Pull that up because all right, so we got we have to talk about the women in the pro-life movement, right? Um, Rob, you had a really good response to Lila today. Good idea. And yeah, you did. Um so Lila put a tweet up and then took it down and deleted it because she got so much blowback, which is the first time I've ever seen her do that. She usually doubles down, but she then she put something else up after. So she wrote, uh, Lindsay Clancy reportedly sought help repeatedly before the deaths of her children. That should haunt us. When a mother is clearly first up, the deaths of her children.

SPEAKER_04 23:31

Yeah, wow.

SPEAKER_06 23:33

Not not Lindsay Clancy reportedly sought help before murdering her children, right? Yeah, the deaths of her children. Like there's some accident, right? That should haunt us. When a mother is clearly deteriorating, our healthcare system cannot afford to simply move her from appointment to appointment without asking whether the treatment is actually working. So that's her her replay. Now, this is like Lila Rose, who's supposed to be the one fighting for the unborn and for the innocent children out there, just makes it like this death was accident. Like nothing about and what

Boundaries Fraternal Correction And Reason

SPEAKER_06 24:05

was crazy to me is now if if you if you saw a man do this, if a man was on a ton of different psych meds and he had snapped and killed his family, there would not be this brushing over the oh, the the death of the child, like this exoneration of the guilt of this woman and trying to absolve her of the crime of murdering her children. Like these children, I can't you think of the horror those poor kids must have felt that the person who's supposed to care for them and love them straps a weightlifting belt around their neck and strangles them to that. Like, how do you drive five minutes each? Yeah, and it's just like it's such a horrifying thing that, like, you like Mike said earlier, you you can acknowledge the horrifying death these children went through at the hands of their mother, while still saying like the doctors were wrong for doing things the way they did. Like the two are not mutually exclusive in any way, but the idea that Lila would just kind of just and Rob, your response to her was uh I think you said something along the lines like why are you so allergic to saying the word murder? Yeah, like why are you not holding the mother accountable for the crime she did? And so that's one of the reactions we're getting from women.

SPEAKER_05 25:19

Well, she's also not anti, she's not uh uh she doesn't take an abolitionist um position either, right? So, I mean, I'm not really surprised by that reaction at all.

SPEAKER_07 25:29

What do you mean an abolitionist position?

SPEAKER_05 25:31

Like just getting rid of abortion altogether.

SPEAKER_07 25:32

She doesn't believe women should be, you know, criminally charged if they murder their children or abortion.

SPEAKER_06 25:38

So basically, it's like women are victims of the abortion industry. Right.

SPEAKER_07 25:43

She means that fairly often, actually.

SPEAKER_06 25:44

Yeah, like women are victims of the abortion industry, and women who murder their children are victims of the healthcare industry. Never is the woman the perpetrator of the crime, ever.

SPEAKER_05 25:57

And there's also something very real. I mean, uh not to gloss over the point, but you know, uh, Anthony and Rob, you've seen your your wives go through, you know, postpartum. That that's a real thing. That that's also you know worthy of acknowledgement as well, coupled with these these psychiatric meds, coupled with the morality that's devoid of Christ. Now you have a real entry point um and an exposure point for the demonic. I mean, I think it's really easy to say this was just demonic. It's it's it's a bunch of factors. Um but uh again, I to add the point, she's a she's she's murderous, she's evil, she was on psychiatric meds, and she was going through postpartum. Like that's that's a real thing.

SPEAKER_06 26:38

She was also Catholic. Rob, put up the put up the video from the New York Post. Hold on. You don't want to do you want to finish. Yeah, yeah, show Katie Miller. Now, Katie Miller, who somebody pointed this out. What's interesting about Katie Miller is that you we all know Katie Miller as Steve Miller's wife. None of us know who Lila Rose's husband is. Lila Rose didn't even take her husband's name, right? We all know Katie Miller as the wife of Steve Stephen Miller, and that is an interesting thing to point out. So bring up Katie Miller's response to Lila. You don't get newly diagnosed with postpartum psychosis at eight months. Multiple doctors testified she was not psychotic at prior visits. She wasn't psychotic after she launched herself out of a window either. She should be hung and shown no mercy. You don't kill your kids. Like, this is kind of what the point is. I don't care what voices you're hearing in your head. You premeditatedly sent your husband to the store to do this. Like, and I don't care what psych meds you're on. If you think there's a possibility you could harm your kids, you tell people, get me away from my children. I'm having these intrusive thoughts. I can't be, they're not safe around me. But instead, she says to her husband after the fact, she goes, The voice told me if I didn't do it now, I would lose my chance. Like, that's how insane this is.

SPEAKER_05 27:53

Why are we surprised in a culture where we have something called SIDS sudden infant death syndrome, and nobody really questioned questioned it up until the last five years? You know, that's a that now that's a black pill. And you guys want to go down a rabbit hole? Children don't just die. Okay, vaccinations, yeah, that's part of it too. But it's also women killing their children or rolling on top of them as well.

SPEAKER_07 28:16

In substance abuse, substance abuse, of course, too.

SPEAKER_05 28:19

But nobody wants to talk about the fact that a lot of women kill their children. It's a real thing.

SPEAKER_08 28:24

What's oh, I don't know if you guys had anything to add, but there's a couple of I mean, of the four of us, I think I'm the only one that knows Katie Miller. She was my boss at the White House, and it's kind of crazy to I I completely agree with what she said. It's kind of crazy that a non-Catholic woman um would see this so much more clearly in this regard. Yeah, it was really like why why uh why are Lila and a number of others, and and you know, I'm appreciative for some of what Lila's done, but why are they get not getting this at the level that Katie Miller is getting it? So it was uh unfortunate situation. Another crazy oh god, Rob.

SPEAKER_07 29:04

I was gonna say Katie, the first sentence when she says you don't get newly diagnosed with postpartum psychosis a month, like yeah, it's less than I think one percent of cases are diagnosed at around eight months, and like 90%, it's about two to three weeks after birth.

SPEAKER_05 29:20

But if you talk to some women, it's like postpartum lasts five years after you have a child.

SPEAKER_07 29:25

It can it can last a while, but it gets diagnosed usually pretty early.

SPEAKER_06 29:30

I I think honestly, like these these doctors, she went for like stays for multiple days in places. Like when they saw the meds weren't helpful, like they should have just taken her off everything and just got this woman out to take walks. Like, I don't think you can underestimate how much good can be done from just getting out on your feet and taking a wall. Like the the the amount of healthy, like just getting into nature and just doing something natural would be so would have been so much better for this woman. But what an interesting angle is uh bring up that New York Post clip, Rob, and play the video. Um Lindsay Clancy was Catholic, and her mother-in-law, look what look what the prosecutor asks the mother-in-law, and they they stopped her dead in her tracks, um talking to her about mortal sin. It's pretty interesting. That that Lindsay Clancy was at church on Christmas, like a couple of weeks before this happens.

SPEAKER_01 30:29

Moving towards Christmas, you had um dinner with them at their house on the 23rd, right? I don't remember. Um, do you remember breakfast on Christmas Day? Yes. Was that at their house or someplace else? Their house. Okay. And then what did you guys do after breakfast? We went to church. And um fair to say, you've previously testified that breakfast was great. Yes. And that church was beautiful. Yes. And in fact, um, the defendant, she told you that it was great and that she was glad she went to church that day on Christian. Yes, she did. And then after um that, uh, you're aware uh they went down to Connecticut to see her family.

unknown 31:08

Right.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

Um, are you uh active member in the Catholic Church? Yes. So your uh murder is considered a mortal sin.

SPEAKER_06 31:25

And they get they object right there, and the judge, the judge sustains the objection. I don't know where she was going with that line of questioning.

SPEAKER_07 31:33

I think probably trying to establish that Lindsay would have known what's right and wrong.

SPEAKER_06 31:40

Right, because that's that's kind of what this case comes down to. Does Lindsay know the severity of her actions? Does she understand it's wrong to kill her kids before she does it? Like it and like clearly she did, like any, I don't care, even if you're an insane person, you know it's wrong to do what she did.

SPEAKER_07 31:57

Like the fact that otherwise you wouldn't try to hide it.

SPEAKER_06 32:00

You wouldn't send your husband out to the store before you you did it. You knew you had to do it. Um, and then I want to play some of the reactions um of some of some of these women, man. Um so go okay. So that tweet that we read by Lila, she did delete that.

SPEAKER_07 32:19

Um did you see Kristen Hawkins' tweet? No. About how we we shouldn't be mean to women about this because otherwise they might vote for the Democrats. Are you kidding me? It was uh I mean, I am definitely paraphrasing it, but uh let me find the real one.

SPEAKER_06 32:37

Yeah, I did see that. But um, if if you want to bring up just one or two of the videos below below where I wrote she deleted the tweet, Rob. Yeah, why are you looking for that?

SPEAKER_07 32:47

I have it right here.

SPEAKER_05 32:49

Uh I wonder how much of this, too, is I mean, this may be a stretch, but downstream from the poor catechesis around the proper disposition of receiving the Eucharist, just just darkening your your way.

SPEAKER_06 32:58

Yeah, like receiving in mortal sin, right? Yeah. I'm sure she went up and received the at Christmas that year. Indicated further on into her travels. I am completely overwhelmed trying to take care of the kids. I'm these women are playing audio from the trial and saying, I'm the same, Lindsay, as she holds her baby while recording it. While recording it, I'm terrified like somebody should take this woman's children away. She's basically saying, I have the same intrusive thoughts, and I could do this to my child.

SPEAKER_08 33:32

Like, if a man did this, child protective services would be set set on him. And rightly so, and rightly so.

SPEAKER_06 33:41

It's like absolutely insane. Um, that's nuts. I had not seen that. Wow. Go to the Colin Rugg tweet, Rob. Like these, they're all like you have to. So I'm gonna show you guys the different reactions to this thing. Like, so some of them are some of them have just totally lost their minds and think the husband did it. Like the Lindsay Clancy's uh lawyer is not arguing that the husband did it. Nobody said there's a woman admitted she did it, and some of these crazy people are saying that the husband did it. Then you have this reaction, which is like this scares me, what this woman says here.

SPEAKER_00 34:14

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SPEAKER_00 34:15

anyone else noticed how men seem very quiet about the Lindsay Clancy trial? Why is that? Why are men not standing up for her when the evidence is showing more and more that Patrick did it? I feel like they're because she said she did it, like bro code that you don't speak out against abusive behavior, like it's seen as weak. I think that's why all the women watching this case love Kevin Reddington, Lindsay's lawyer, so much, is because it's so rare to see a man stand up so passionately against injustice towards women and against abuse towards women. Why are men being so silent? And at this point, if you're a man saying like she should just go to prison, she did it, Patrick's innocent, leave him alone, he was a great dad. With all the evidence that's coming out, if you are saying that about Patrick still, it's a good thing I don't think she should go to prison.

SPEAKER_08 35:17

That was good, Rob. That was good.

SPEAKER_06 35:19

So that so that's the that's one where she's actually saying the husband did it. So this is like all over the place online that women think the husband did it, which is totally more insane than Lindsay Clancy, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_05 35:32

I think part of this is a case of you know how you know dudes rise each other and we don't, or whatever the term is, we we knock knock each other, we don't mean it. Women compliment each other and don't mean it. I think part of this is almost like this reverse virtue signal. They see this egregious act, and then by comparison, they're like, oh man, what I'm doing is not so bad. And they move to defend her when really deep down they they also think that she's evil too. It's really it's very strange psychology with women and compliments, and you know, women when they're not living as they should, uh, kind of rebel in uh another woman's misfortune. I mean, I've talked about it with so many women, man. You know, men obviously are prone to this as well, but it is it is especially common for women.

SPEAKER_08 36:13

You know, it's interesting. I had a buddy's wedding, I'm sorry, wedding birthday this weekend, although his wedding anniversary and his birthday happened to be the same day. So that's why we were celebrating that too. But um, you know, one of our other buddies was really struggling with some stuff, family stuff and deep stuff, and he was a little hesitant to bring it up. And me and my other friend whose birthday was, we were like, well, like why? What's going on? What are you actually afraid of? He was like, Oh, you guys will think I'm weak. I think whatever. So, and we were explaining that's not true. He knows it's not true. We're we've been close friends for years. But I explained to him, I said, you know, I think there is, and I know there's women who can do this all right, but it just in terms of like what seems to be the broad pattern in the podcast space and online and social media. It seems that so many women will vent in order to receive validation. And I said to my buddy, I said, that's not how we men are supposed to do it. We are supposed to vent so that it can be fully out there, like before our eyes, with ourselves and our brothers. And then we apply reason to that pattern and we create a new pattern so that when that old dysfunctional pattern of thinking comes up in our heads again, we've got a new pattern that we've come up with, our brothers, and we work with our will to mentally work toward getting that toward that right pattern of thinking. That's why we share things as men. That's the functional uh way to look at it, I think. And that was extremely helpful for him and extremely helpful for all of us. And literally just today, I started a new uh group for reading the great books with a buddy of mine, two buddies of mine. And like Mike, we were literally just talking about that. Like one of the avowed purposes of the group is we are there for accountability, growing in virtue, checking in on each other, and correction. Like the very first book we're reading is Cicero's um on friendship. And uh, you know, on friendship is very, very clear. This is a pagan Roman, you know, a century or so before Christ. And he's very clear that one of the requirements of true friendship is that you have to be able to correct your friends openly if they're in the wrong. And those friends, Cicero literally says the friend must obey his friend. He's assuming he's correct and it's a vow of criticism and all that. But it's like that's the essence in many ways of what m masculine uh friendship at its best is supposed to be about. And I'm very, very glad to see a lot of young men embracing this. There's still quite a few that need to embrace it further. Um, but it's just that the contrast between the male ethos behind this and the female online could not be more different in my experience.

SPEAKER_06 38:42

There's well, first off, I'm I'm gonna say this, and I know there are a lot of women who watch our show, surprisingly. But um, like I think it's probably more difficult for women in the confessional. Like, I uh just from judging online behavior and what I see, and I I just think it's harder for women to take accountability. I think I think it's a a cross that they bear that they have to actually look at themselves and at their behavior. And it's something like you, you know, I I think when a man a man goes into the confessional, it's it's kind of easy for us to beat up on ourselves. Like we're you know, we it's it's easier for us than it is for women. I think it's probably more of a challenge for them. And it's not it's something of like maybe has to do with their nature or something. I don't know. Like, I think I think it's a heavier cross they have to actually look inwardly and see their faults and see their defects than it is for men.

SPEAKER_07 39:39

Like, I wonder it would be interesting to know how often this this Lindsay Clancy like went to confession.

SPEAKER_05 39:49

Probably not very often, if at all.

SPEAKER_06 39:50

Yeah, right. Yeah, because I alright, so I I know someone who has some kind of psych like psychosis. And this that's another thing I want to talk to you guys about, too, actually. So like the husband, the husband, this whole thing happens and he divorces her and he's remarried within like a year or two. I think that's a lot of a lot of the women are reacting to that that the husband divorced her and he remarried within, I mean, this happened two years ago. He's already remarried at this point. And I'm trying to, it's such a hard thing for me to imagine this situation in my marriage, right? But like, do you abandon your wife if she has a psychotic break like this? Like, because I know someone who this kind of happened to where the wife had a psychotic break and she attempted to take her own life, and the husband did the same thing, like, got protective orders against her, threw her out of the house, all this stuff.

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SPEAKER_06 40:55

And he just basically shunned her, he filed for divorce, and he wants nothing to do with her, he won't let her near the kids or anything. And thank God that was just self-harm there. But in a situation like this, like what is the husband's role if the wife has a psychotic break like that, or whatever, whatever actually happened there.

SPEAKER_05 41:13

You pray for the grace of the the of the white martyr's crown. I mean, that's that's how I feel. You know, you want to attain the incorruptible crown of glory in the afterlife, doesn't mean you subject yourself to violence, but you know, this is also going to purify a man in this process as well. I mean, you just got to take up the cross that the Lord has given you. That's how I feel.

SPEAKER_06 41:32

And you stay with your wife, you help her recover from the like what do you do everything possible? Yeah, you you do. You definitely don't go get a girlfriend in three weeks and then marry. No, that that's not even a good thing.

SPEAKER_05 41:44

Christ was born beneath the dirt, you know? Almost like a subhuman birth for for a you know a a divine person who who could have come in in a in a in a in a on a throne in a castle befitting of a king, but chose not to, and we're to say, well, this this bit of hardship, which is tremendous, we cannot bear. It is just is just effeminate, man. And I think that's what it is. Or it this we live in a post-lap Syrian world, it's the sin of Adam and Eve. Adam, irresponsibility and effeminacy, the unwillingness to do what is arduous, and then usurpation. It's just usurpation of authority.

SPEAKER_06 42:19

I'll say this like like what Lindsay did is one thing, but with the person I just described, like his wife harming herself like that, like I think the husband's a scumbag. Like, I really do. Like, I if my wife ever went through some kind of depression like that, where she went through something like that, I wouldn't leave her side. There's nothing in the world that would get me to leave her side. I would help her through everything I possibly could. It's a it's a it's a different situation, obviously. Like, I don't know what happens to a man after something like that. Like, I'm sure that I you know, I'm sure that's a totally different scenario. But um, yeah, I don't I don't know, man. It's just it's just it's just crazy to watch the difference in men and women, like recognizing that we are different, but just seeing how all these women are just running to her defense, like she like they they empathize with her, like they all felt like they could have killed their kids after they had them.

SPEAKER_08 43:13

I have a question for all of you guys. I have I'm curious, I'm curious what you guys think. How much do you think this is? Um, I sometimes wonder, I I think the social science is pretty clear that women are getting pretty damn radical.

SPEAKER_07 43:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 43:28

Um, so I I think there's real, I'm also curious how much you guys think it's social media and like a self-selection that's happening with the kind of women who are on social media um as opposed to the average woman. But perhaps the average woman is on social media, that's what it seems like. But I'm curious what you guys think.

SPEAKER_06 43:45

Yeah, that's a that's a really good point because I I think so much of this whole this whole situation has to do with social media. Even like I I have a couple of clips of even like that we're gonna do on the other side of just. Like women calling up John Deloney and telling how they hate their daughter in one of them, and the other one is saying how she's she got pregnant at 40, and she can't imagine how she's going to live her life now. But I think so much of it is people watching other people on social media and thinking that like they're missing out on something because other people look like they have perfect lives. Like you just said, like there's something about the type of woman who wants to put herself out on social media. You see, there's this whole genre of women who file for divorce that then go on social media to talk about their divorce journey. Like there's there's something like there is a certain type of woman that does that, right? Who just puts everything out online and seeks that external validation from strangers that she'll never know. It is it is definitely a factor in this whole situation for sure.

SPEAKER_05 44:52

Well, it inflames certain people's defects to a very high degree, and then others not so much, just depending on their temperament. It's the same thing, it's the same thing with men. You know, it's it's it's yeah, I don't think it's super super complicated.

SPEAKER_06 45:04

I think it is sort of self-selection in a way, because these people that have these predominant, like vainglorious, you know, uh the vice of vainglory naturally are gonna be predisposed to something like this, and it's just gonna inflame it to narcissism, like it brings narcissism out in a in a way in people that is just like it's astonishing to see, you know, like real narcissism, not even vainglory, like real narcissism, where like I don't I don't know, it's it's a it's a it's definitely a social media phenomena. But yeah, like I so this whole case, you know what it is? It's hard for me to even like empathize with this situation that this woman did this because every mother in my life, like whether it's my own mother, my sisters-in-law, my wife, my my any any of the mothers I've known in my own life have been such loving, devoted mothers, like they're not anything like the crap we're seeing online, like in any way whatsoever. So, like the idea, you know, but I also don't want to hold my my situation as the standard either, because I do know a couple of people that that just from talking with them said that their wives did go through some kind of postpartum and stuff, but I I just couldn't imagine like a mother getting a murderous postpartum. No, not murderous, not definitely not that, but yeah.

SPEAKER_08 46:23

Yeah, I mean it it does seem in my anecdotal experience, it does seem to span across a wide cross-section of women. And I think about the work of um Professor Jonathan Haidt, you guys have probably seen his stuff, The Anxious Generation. And it's un unquestionably true that social media has affected both sexes, mental health, suicidal ideation, all that kind of stuff. But it it has affected women even worse. It seems to be pretty clear from a lot of his research. And um, it does seem that there's a sort of more collective affirmation of identity and whatnot that goes on with a lot of women. You know, Jordan Peterson talked about this, that men are higher in disagreeableness. Is that what it is? So, like men, men can definitely line up and you know, choose the road to hell as easily as women in some cases, but but in general, the average man is more disagreeable than the average woman, meaning he will buck the crowd far more easily if he thinks the crowd is wrong. Uh, he will not, you know, Moses, that line of uh you shall not go with a crowd to do evil. Um, so like that's what men are really supposed to do when we're leading the way Christ would have us lead is we don't care what the crowd is doing, we're gonna do what's right, even if it costs us our lives. And I think there are women who would do that too. I think particularly of the mother of the seven sons in the book of Maccabees, right, where they're murdering her sons, and she's like encouraging martyrdom.

SPEAKER_06 47:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 47:50

Yeah, keep going, keep going. I mean, that's like, and then of course, that's mirror with our lady, who in the Pieta, Jordan Peterson also has a. I know we're we're all kind of down on Jordan Peterson these days for various reasons, but he does have this amazing clip about the Pieta, you know, our lady holding our Lord, and he like chokes up about it. And he was saying that Mary is sort of the picture of the mother, and that the reason why is because she gives her son up to be smacked by the world in the most horrific way possible and see see what's in him essentially, and she lets him do it. And he said, and that's how you get a statue like that. And of course he was choking up, and and so it just but it seems like the the collective psychosis right now with a lot of women is affirm me, affirm me, affirm me, affirm me, affirm me. And I'm kind of curious where that comes from. I do have some thoughts, um, but I'm kind of I don't know if I I'm kind of curious where you guys think that comes from. I mean, I think some of it's endemic to female nature, but I wonder if it's worse now. Oh, it's definitely worse for reasons other than social media, like other reasons as well.

SPEAKER_06 48:53

Well, well, I think I mean the consequences of feminism over the past 75 years, right? Telling women that they are men essentially, going through that whole process. Um, because you I think even my childhood when women were be like they just they were just told, like, you can do anything, you know, and it's just the this has had an effect over the past 75 years, and then you get social media and it just amplifies it to a level that I don't think any of us could really even grasp how like how bad the damage is going to be.

SPEAKER_05 49:28

Like, not to absolve them of responsibility, but they're the the the the crisis is fatherlessness, man. Yeah, that's a big part of it. You know, there's this diabolical inversion of the word patriarchy, everybody's

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SPEAKER_05 49:40

up in arms over the word. It is, it is a it is a loving self-gift. That's what it is. Your authority, your headship is not for you, it is for those that are subordinated to you. And even that word, it's like, no, no, no, listen to the way how we're describing it. Think about Jesus, think about Saint Joseph. This is the example that we must emulate, meaning having stringent moral boundaries and protecting our children from the world, protecting them from indoctrination. This is the result. Men got super, super soft, and fathers abandoned them, and then now there's like who who else is to represent the the image of God, the father in the home. Who is that first image? Yeah, when that first image is not there, and the logos is not present in the home.

SPEAKER_06 50:22

I know so many families like that, man. Like, just so many families that like the father just is afraid to say anything, and the mother rules the home, and the daughters walk all over him, and he's just there and he can't say anything.

SPEAKER_08 50:37

And it's well, we're we're all millennials, you know. I know still to this day, I only know one millennial friend. Uh, off top, maybe there's another I don't know about. How many of our fathers? I love my dad, but how many of our fathers had solid Christ-centered discussions about the opposite sex and and sex in general? No, it didn't happen. It didn't happen. And virtually every man of our generation I've talked to, none of us got it. None of us. And this has translated into a bestial outlook that many men have toward women. And it's you guys know me, I'm not in any way trying to absolve the women. There is something truly insane and psychopathic going on with women right now. And we need to call it out. And you know, as I often joke, I've got celibacy and powered speech, you know, because there's certain things I don't have to worry about. Um, but it's like so men need to more often say no. But you know what? Your no to go with what Mike said about proper subordination, you our no to somebody else has to be first built on our no to ourselves. That's why that's why Lent was so important. Like if we're not saying no to ourselves and our own passions, whenever we say no to other people and particularly women, it it will tend toward grave disorder. And um, you know, I just you know, I grew up and a lot uh uh you know, a lot of guys our age, they were they were you know banging left and right too. They were treating women like trash and meat too, all the time. All the time. And if you have a fatherless home, whether not literally, maybe not literally a physically fatherless home, but a morally fatherless home, a spiritually fatherless home. That's where you're the situation you're in with like all the young men you're talking to. What are we to expect? What are we to expect?

SPEAKER_07 52:25

Most of us were, I mean, even Cradle Catholics were raised with no no fatherhood in the church either. Yeah, yeah. So that's my point.

SPEAKER_06 52:35

This this this conversation is gonna get a little personal. And no, not on this channel. Well, that's the thing. I don't want to do it on YouTube. Oh, okay. Um, yeah, because I I would like to discuss some of those situations. But um, I wanna I definitely want to get to some of the super chats real quick. I work for child protective services for years. I'm currently in juvenile probation. There are some common denominators. Single mothers do a lot of damage, but no one to hold them accountable. Uh, in my city, there was a case where a woman's boyfriend uh killed her two-year-old daughter and she knew about it. The mom got charged, and there were some women who stated that she's a victim. Yeah, it's it's like it it really is kind of kind of wild. This and I want to play that other clip that I sent in before we go. Um before we go to the other side, Rob. That last one I sent.

SPEAKER_07 53:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 53:27

Um just to just to kind of close up this story a little bit.

SPEAKER_07 53:37

This one.

SPEAKER_06 53:39

Right. Oh gosh, I saw this. Oh, yeah. I think you sent this one to us, Josh. So this is the other angle that I'm seeing. This is all right, so this is a therapist explaining why women are so empathetic to her.

SPEAKER_02 53:58

The Lindsay Clancy trial is going to be one of the most significant trials of your lifetime. We are all experiencing something completely unprecedented. Never before have we seen so many mothers and women rally behind somebody who confessed to killing her three children. And it is not because we cannot hold women accountable. Many of us see ourselves in Lindsay. Many of us know that we could have been only one step away from doing some of those horrific things because we experienced significant mental health issues after one of our children was born. And many of us know just how dark some of those thoughts get. So, yeah, this is gonna be one of the most significant trials.

SPEAKER_06 54:58

But like almost every woman online you see is like, I'm neurodivergent, and I have ADHD, and I have this, and I have that. And they give you like a list of these mental health disorders that they have, and it they use it as an excuse for everything. It's like they can be just the most awful people, and well, I have ADHD and I have I'm neurodivergent, or whatever the hell. Like, they just yeah, they all basically diagnose themselves with these crazy things, and they just give it, use it as a pass to go about the most awful behavior imaginable. It's kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_05 55:28

Yeah, it would be one thing to say that we're all one retraction of grace from doing something completely depraved. Uh, and what we could all agree with that because it's that's true, but to go on that kind of rant there go out and to do it and to do it, do it publicly and you know, with her credentials, therapists, whatever. Yeah, it's uh that's pretty damning.

SPEAKER_06 55:48

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