Live Calls And Real Talk (Locals ONLY Show)

A live call-in night starts with a simple question: what should we talk about when the usual co-host is gone? Within minutes, the chat pushes us into the deep end, and the calls turn into the kind of unplanned conversation you can’t fake. We test an AI-style voicemail concept, talk through the practical risks of privacy online, and then hand the mic to listeners who bring real problems instead of performative debates.

One caller asks the question almost everyone dodges: how do you talk to friends who seem open to virtue, even open to truth, but still don’t want the commitment of the Catholic faith? We walk through a grounded approach to evangelization, including how to plant seeds without turning every hangout into a lecture. From there we unexpectedly get technical, covering NFA suppressor rules, ATF Form 4 references, and how state laws can quietly override what people assume federal changes will fix.

Then the conversation jumps continents. A caller from Sydney brings a thoughtful challenge about immigration, national identity, and what it means to “belong” as a Catholic in a rapidly changing Western culture. We talk about duty to neighbors, teaching kids a truthful national story, and why your Catholic identity comes first without forcing you to pretend your homeland means nothing.

We close with a personal parenting call about explaining divorce and remarriage in the family to young kids, plus practical dad-level advice, prayer habits, and a surprisingly meaningful detour into time, Augustine, and how prayer relates to the dead. If you enjoy Catholic commentary that stays human, messy, and honest, subscribe, share this with a friend, and leave a review so more people can find the show.

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Transcript

Stream Setup And Call-In Plan

SPEAKER_15 0:57

You've seen it before.

SPEAKER_16 1:00

It's pretty long. An hour and 20 minutes. How many people are watching right now?

SPEAKER_15 1:06

40.

SPEAKER_16 1:07

Yeah. They're playing music, it's not gonna work. Yeah, I hear it. I'm sitting out. I'm sitting out with my cousin, my son, and my brother. Nice. Um I you know what you should do? You should take live calls tonight.

SPEAKER_15 1:28

Uh I was kind of thinking that.

SPEAKER_16 1:31

Like, um, because I'm not gonna be able to pull this off. But um yeah, just let let you know let ocean pop on that maniac. Yeah, take some live calls. I'll have plenty of stories when I come back though, because um we had some really deep conversations here.

SPEAKER_15 1:50

That tends to happen with Eddie.

SPEAKER_16 1:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had some deep conversations. Some I got man, he we gotta talk about boomers and not just boomers, like Gen X too. Like we gotta have a deep conversation about Gen X.

SPEAKER_15 2:04

We're going after them too? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_16 2:06

We're declaring war on anybody over 48.

SPEAKER_13 2:10

How old are you?

SPEAKER_16 2:11

44. I give myself a four-year buffer. Like, there's something, there's something just totally off with all of them. We had we had a we had a really really interesting conversation about them. And then uh yeah, this kid's around and stuff. All right, so take some live calls tonight. If uh let me see what's time I get out of here. If you're still on, I'll pop in.

SPEAKER_15 2:33

Uh I'm gonna try to keep it to an hour, so we'll see.

SPEAKER_16 2:36

All right. Um uh probably gonna leave soon though, because uh I'm pretty shocked. But um, yeah, I'm sorry, dude. I mean to leave you hanging. Take some live calls.

SPEAKER_15 2:47

You can look, guys, you can only see his teeth. That doesn't prove he's African.

SPEAKER_16 2:57

All right, that's a good joke. Um, all right. I will uh I'll check back in in a little bit.

SPEAKER_15 3:02

Okay, sounds good, man. See you.

SPEAKER_16 3:05

That'd be great.

SPEAKER_15 3:07

But right now, well boy, guys. That means uh oh that means I'm all on my own. I've only ever done that recording videos before. So oh okay, we'll see how this goes. Um so yeah, we could do call-ins. Uh we well, we could do like uh can do an ask me anything just by uh by text. We could do call-ins where I give you guys the link and you guys pop on and we talk about whatever. Uh you could have me tell you about different historical events.

AI Voicemail Line And Safety

SPEAKER_15 3:45

I don't know what do you guys want to do? No, I'm not posting my phone number. Nice try. I do have the phone number though. Um, I made an AI agent voicemail line that you guys can call to uh leave voice reviews to tell funny stories, to yell at us, whatever you want to do, and the AI agent uses my voice. Um, I'm not gonna self-dox. I'm not I'm not giving you not giving you my address. Call-ins. Some people are saying call-in, some people are saying story time. Um if you don't want to show your face when you join the call, you just turn your camera off and leave the audio on, and then then we just hear you not see you. Um you know, we could talk about the uh ATF NFA changes that just happened, but that's more of a guns and rosary thing. Um okay, yeah. Let me see if I can put so someone did leave a voicemail. Um let me see if I can pull that up. I wasn't ready for that. SpaceX.

SPEAKER_12 5:12

Uh, what is it? Let me see if I can. I think I it's been a while since I've done this. I know this isn't uh super riveting right now. I just don't know if someone wanted this played. Let me see with that ball that Trump voicemail. Give me a second.

SPEAKER_15 6:10

What's nice is we don't um when you call this, I have no record of the phone numbers that call. It it all gets tokenized. So there's no no possibility of me doxing you guys like we did to uh poor Darren back in the day. Um okay, I think I got this figured out. So let me share the screen. The only way to get the audio. I don't think it has any info here. That is bad to show.

SPEAKER_12 6:40

Let's see how this sounds.

SPEAKER_14 6:45

Hi, thanks for calling Avoiding Babylon. This is AI Rob. Freaky, huh? You can ask Anthony and Rob a question, tell a relevant story, give a terrible yet five-star review of the show, or offer thoughtful criticism that isn't too abusive. Why are you calling in today?

SPEAKER_00 7:07

I'm calling in. This is President of the United States, Donald Trump. A boarding babylon best show, best cat-look show on the internet. I love it. I love it. I also love the Knicks. Six milli, six millies. They are so great, so great. So good. Six million did it happen. Good question. I love Israel. I love Israel.

SPEAKER_14 7:33

That's quite the endorsement. I'm sure Anthony and Okay.

SPEAKER_15 7:40

That was I don't know. I don't think that was said back on it. I hope not. If it was, I'll have to block them. Yes, Staff, I'm sure you can make a better AI Rob voice. Okay. I did this on my lunch break one day. Let's see what other calls we gave have here.

SPEAKER_12 8:06

It's a little slow, unfortunately. Come on.

SPEAKER_15 8:16

Okay, never mind. We're done with that. Um, okay, let me put out the link so you guys can call in if you want.

SPEAKER_03 8:33

Okay, so we're gonna do um we'll do one at a time here.

SPEAKER_15 8:57

Okay, and this is this it's not like if you come on, you're not gonna be on the whole rest of the show. Okay, we gotta gotta move through the know the people, so it's gonna be like a couple of minutes at most.

SPEAKER_12 9:16

Yeah, Chris is saying hit me up if you ever need a villain. I didn't know I needed a villain until ten minutes ago.

SPEAKER_03 9:33

Yeah, exactly. While we wait for someone to call in.

SPEAKER_12 10:25

Great. Great.

SPEAKER_15 10:32

No, Ant's not hammered, not yet. He'll be hammered and probably when he calls it back in in 30 minutes, but No, Taffy, I really don't want to talk about the woman that killed all her kids. I really do not want to talk about that.

SPEAKER_12 10:54

Okay, I'll I I'll tell a story while we wait.

SPEAKER_15 10:57

So um I know it's a very gray area. Uh the the um the attaining of relics can be a very gray area. You know, depending on how you do it, where you get them from, why you do it, things like that. Um, we got someone. We got okay.

SPEAKER_12 11:22

Just so you know, you your name is gonna be on screen. You're okay with that? Shake

Wildfire Updates And Talking Faith

SPEAKER_12 11:30

your head yes or no if you're okay with your name on screen.

SPEAKER_15 11:33

Okay. Okay, we got Brock here, guys. What's up, Brock?

SPEAKER_09 11:35

Hello. Not too much, not too much. How is uh how's the fire stuff around you?

SPEAKER_15 11:44

Is it is it bad or is it um it was pretty bad for a while. Uh, I mean, I there's been a couple times in the last 10 years when it's been pretty bad. Um, like uh I forget if it was last year or the year before, it got within a couple miles of where we live. Um this year it was more north of where we live. It was more right by where I work. Um just north of where I work in the boundary waters. And uh I don't know if any structure if it did get any structures, but it was getting very close to some more populated areas. But luckily the winds changed in in time to where it didn't blow the fire right like onto a highway. So so it was um it was touch and go for a few a few pretty tense days. The smoke was I mean, there were there were days where you couldn't see 30 feet in front of you because of the smoke, and breathing was was miserable. Um but uh the fires are still still going pretty good out in the the the wilderness. So there's still like 700 firefighters in the area that are getting um driven or flowing into the fires daily to to fight them, but uh there's really no danger to people any longer, so that's good.

SPEAKER_09 12:59

Okay, okay. I've got I've got a slight like a question more about like dealing with um friends who are uh maybe uh they might be open to hearing something about the faith, but they're not really like open per se, and just like how how do you navigate that? So I went. I mean I think maybe you know I'm from Minnesota too originally, and I'm out in Wyoming. Yeah. And I'm out in Wyoming now, but not doxing myself. But there are like three people here. So I went back and what was it? It was Saturday. We were out on the pontoon or whatever, having a conversation with the guys, and they're like there are four of us. Two of them are Catholic, one's a Christian, with some there's some other stuff going on there, but one of my other buddies, he's he's a good dude generally, but you know, it's like the modern issues. So as we had this conversation, we talked about we talked about feminism, the JQ, all this type of stuff.

SPEAKER_15 14:18

That's good pontoon talk right there.

SPEAKER_09 14:20

Oh, 100%, 100%. I I think I was the only one that wasn't drinking, but but anyways, um how would you like go about talking to somebody who maybe has um some of like the oh I don't know what you want to call it, like the the standard like natural virtues and like they understand some of that stuff, yeah, but maybe not immediately like willing to I mean nobody accepts everything immediately unless something happens, but maybe getting them more open to hearing like the faith and yeah.

SPEAKER_15 15:03

With um so you you were basically like kind of back home, right? And these were guys that you maybe used to hang out with more, but now you're not nearby. Is that right?

SPEAKER_09 15:15

Yeah, yeah, pretty much. I mean, a lot of them I I only go back every so often. I'm kind of like I don't know.

SPEAKER_15 15:23

Right.

SPEAKER_09 15:24

It's it's nice to be home and stuff, but at the same time, it's just kind of like I like to have my own space or whatever, my own time. Um but they're I mean, I do talk to this specific kid that I'm more thinking of. The other ones are willing to accept it. One of them actually, after this conversation, he was like, So do you think I should become Catholic? I was like, um yes. Is that a question? But um and I sent him something, we actually were like a providential kind of thing. We were talking about hell specifically, or we got and Brian Holdsworth put out this video. I can't remember it was that it was Saturday, and it was like an hour after that, and I was just like, oh, I'm gonna send him this video just so he doesn't understand so he understands like that hell is not the same for every single soul that goes there. But um he was raised like Missouri Senate Lutheran, and he just like it's kind of like one of those things where he went he went along with everything, but it's hard to it's hard to have that conversation with somebody who's not like I don't know, maybe not so willing to like he can hear that and he'll say, but like but I think if you just like you know like the be a good person type of thing, but it but it really goes down to like what does being good mean? And like you can ask like I asked him, I asked him that question, and he's just kind of like uh can't give an answer because he doesn't have like it's like how do you deal with that?

SPEAKER_15 17:05

Does does he would you say he recognizes like the like the problems in the world, like you know, like just the the state society in it? Is he at least at like that point where he sees that that sort of stuff?

SPEAKER_09 17:20

Yeah, he does, like, but he's kind of like uh I mean he's not like a fan of Trump, which is like I'm not really either, but at this point, but he's he's coming at it more from like the the leftist almost side of things, okay a little bit, but he's like like we could talk about 95% of things and we would agree generally. But I don't think he under I don't think he really looks at the more deeper things on that kind of stuff. I think he's it's almost seems like an existential kind of dread kind of thing is like I don't want to have to get into this, like because it's uh because it's a commitment. Yeah, I don't know if that's necessarily the case.

SPEAKER_15 18:08

My brother's a lot like them. I uh my brother's a younger by like three three and a half years, and um you know, like I brought him along to the little get-together uh well to the conference we were going to speak at in North Carolina, just so we could hang with a bunch of you know Catholic guys. And um I think it's I think it's it's pretty similar with him. Like he doesn't want to you know, he I he sees at a surface level the world's not right, but he doesn't want to explore why, or he doesn't want to take the issues that he sees aren't aren't right and and why they exist and and how how to solve them because one it's a lot of work and he's he's not a fan of that, um, but two, it would cause him to question some of the things about his his own life and the things he's you know he likes to do that he wouldn't want to give up and things like that. So um I think for for people like that who who at least recognize that the world's not right, you know, who aren't fully you know loony leftists and and are and are for everything that that we're doing in the world, I think with them you just you have to do your best to at least introduce them to some of the the solutions the church has for those things, at least at a surface level, so that when something finally happens in their life to force them to go deeper, they're at least aware that those those things that the church offers are are out there, you know. Um I mean for for 10 years of my life, it's I you know I I believed everything the church believed, but I you know didn't want to uh have to apply it to my life. But at least when I when you know when we when hope my wife got pregnant, and suddenly, you know, I was in a position in my life where I was ready to give up all the things I wanted to do. Um you know, I I knew where to go to to do what I needed to do. And um I think that's for for friends like like you described, that's all you can do is is introduce them, well help them see the issues initially, kind of introduce them at a surface level to what solutions there might be, especially from a Catholic perspective, and then just do your best to live an example of a good Catholic life. And you know, and and I know if you're not seeing these guys all the time, that's hard to do, but you know, I just to the best of your ability, show that you have something that the world doesn't offer, right? So that when they're sick of what the world is offering, when they're ready for more, they know who to go to for that, and that's all you can do.

SPEAKER_09 21:04

Yeah, yeah. You did recently move to St. Paul. So I mean, if I was telling them to where to go for liturgy or something like that, there's at least uh he doesn't have to go eight hours somewhere, but yeah, there's a few good choices near him, you know.

SPEAKER_15 21:23

So that's yeah, yeah, that that's definitely good.

unknown 21:26

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 21:28

Well

NFA Suppressors And State Law Traps

SPEAKER_15 21:30

anything anybody else we have no one else yet, so if you got anything else, feel free to keep going until someone else calls in.

SPEAKER_09 21:37

Yeah, so the the NFA.

SPEAKER_15 21:42

The NFA we could do that if you really wanted to.

SPEAKER_09 21:47

Yeah, I I had to strategically position myself in my room so there aren't firearms visible.

SPEAKER_15 21:54

We're we're just on local, so we can show whatever.

SPEAKER_09 21:56

Oh, I suppose that's true. But Yeah. No. So like I don't I haven't checked up again with like Minnesota law since I've really left as far as gun stuff, other than I can do what I want with what I have.

SPEAKER_15 22:13

But um is Minnesota on that list of those like uh wouldn't if the NFA got repealed, they wouldn't have any other restrictions would go away, or is that like uh believe um so yeah there there are 15 states that have enacted laws um that either so like there um right now we you know if you fit a couple criteria um some of the NFA requirements uh registration requirements aren't applying, right? But there are 15 states whose laws say something usually like some something along the lines like if you want a suppressor, you must fill out in a you know ATF form number four, which is exactly what the NFA says. But if the NFA is no longer doing it, that state still has that law. So for and actually, for some reason, I'm not sure why, I haven't really looked into it. A lot of the states that have those laws are red states. So, like Georgia, for instance, right now with this everything that that just changed midnight last night, in Georgia, you can't you can't go get a suppressor without filling out the ATF Form 4 because Georgia has a law that says you need to do that. Whereas Minnesota's law in a lot of other states say that to own a suppressor in Minnesota, uh it just has to be owned according to federal regulations. Which in most cases would be exact the the results would be the same thing as what Georgia, you know, Georgia's losses, but right now, because the federal regulations are different, in Minnesota that suppressor can be owned, but in Georgia it can't. So yeah, Minnesota for being kind of liberal with gun stuff, um, actually right now is uh has pretty free, has has some has less regulation.

SPEAKER_09 24:16

It was it was funny to me because even when I went and did all my like CCW stuff, so I have I have them in I have mine here and then I have mine in Minnesota too, just for the sake of like I'm traveling, I don't want to have to deal with anything. No, but the like the Minnesota CCW card doesn't have any like like the identifiers on the CCW card. There's not like a nobody can take a picture, there's nothing it's just kind of like you I don't understand. It's crazy to me, like like it just doesn't seem thought out even where it's like so say somebody just faked this, like I mean, how hard would it be to like come up with a fake? It's not like a cop's gonna scan that every single time that they see you, but I mean that depends where you are, but yeah, I mean the the card itself would be trying to see what mine looks like right now.

SPEAKER_15 25:16

Because I don't think it even has a number on it, does it?

SPEAKER_09 25:19

Uh it might have like it might, but I don't think I think it's just got like a basic it's real basic information.

SPEAKER_15 25:28

Yeah, it just has a reference number. So yeah, you're right. They would have to they would have to look up either that reference number or run your your driver's license, I imagine would pull it up too. Um yeah, I mean that could that could definitely be faked. And there are situations like last year when I was at the Coney Fair and some boomer and called that I was carrying and called the the the cops, and the you know, it was a fish cop that came over and he, you know, he did he's like, I know you, you know, I know it's legal, you don't have to show me, but are you willing to show me your your carry permit? And and I and I did, and uh I d I'm not sure if he ran that or not now that I think about it, but yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_06 26:15

Yeah, boomers.

SPEAKER_09 26:17

Boomers, I'll tell you what.

SPEAKER_15 26:19

And apparently Gen Xers now too. I guess we're going to warn it.

SPEAKER_09 26:22

Oh yeah. No, yeah, don't forget about the the blue-haired, purple, purple people in my generation. I think something's totally different. Uh I'm I'm 23.

SPEAKER_13 26:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 26:37

I'm pretty young, but yeah, I've it's interesting. So like I can't I converted to only like a couple years ago, but a lot of stuff is like the amount of stuff in my life that has changed is just it's kind of crazy, isn't it? Like trying to deal with like my family situation or whatever it is, it's just like oh what did you uh what did you convert from? Uh the the rainbow, the rainbow loose. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think it's it's eLCO, but yeah, this is yeah, we had a we had a female pastor or whatever one else coming up or whatever. It's just kind of like and there's nothing there's nothing masculine about anything that we ever did. And then but it also like went to like a as a university retreat or whatever out here in Wyoming. And it was just like one of those ones where they're just like trying to make you cry like the entire time. Like it's uh it's a like it's uh hey, I really love you. Like it's so sad, and it's just like you know, we can't go past the emotions here. Like, there's a lot more, there's a lot more depth to all of this stuff than like hey, let's talk about our emotions and how we feel or not. Like, I get it, like half of us are women, but the other half are not women. I don't understand what more frustrates me is that there are people who I like and respect that are that just think it's like normal. I feel like I grew up, I grew up hunting fishing, doing all that kind of stuff, and so like my perspective on things is much different than a lot of them who are like even though some of them grew up in Wyoming, it's just like they're they're um they're on a different wavelength than me for sure on a lot of things.

SPEAKER_15 28:44

Well, we got someone else who just called in. So um so thank you for being the first one to bite the bullet there, Brock.

SPEAKER_09 28:51

Yeah, not a real one, thankfully. Yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_15 28:56

Um, if you're ever uh back here in Minnesota and up north, let me know,

Australia Immigration And Catholic Identity

SPEAKER_15 29:00

okay.

SPEAKER_09 29:00

All right, we'll do.

SPEAKER_12 29:01

We'll do okay.

SPEAKER_15 29:02

Take it easy, man.

SPEAKER_12 29:03

Take it easy. Okay, what's up, T. Can you hear me?

SPEAKER_10 29:12

I can hear you. Can you hear me?

SPEAKER_15 29:14

Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_10 29:15

Can you go?

SPEAKER_15 29:17

So what's up, man?

SPEAKER_10 29:19

Oh, I'm calling all the way from the other side of the world, just to begin with.

SPEAKER_15 29:24

Where are you from?

SPEAKER_10 29:25

Um uh Sydney, Australia.

SPEAKER_15 29:28

Oh, wow. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 29:30

So uh I'm meant to be working at the moment, but I thought I'll take five minutes. Um I was actually uh because I know you uh Rob, you've uh watching your the show. I know you you've thought about this deeply to some degree, but I was talking to my wife because we're both first gen Australians, so our parents came here uh as kids in the 60s, yep. And Australia's gone through the same uh mass migration issues as every other part of the world, but it's quite different. It's uh it's wealthy migrants mainly coming. Okay, so we're not having an issue of like um how do we say this poorer people coming, it's more um a mass influx of Arab, Muslims, Hindus coming, but they have money. Okay. Um, there is those that come that don't, but it's not as as large of an issue. But we are experiencing the same social decline as every other part of the Western world that's so. But I was thinking about last night, and I'm like, being a first gen, I don't know if I can actually call myself Australian anymore, even though I've raised and felt like I am, and it's that thing of as Catholics, that our nationalism, it's I I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter. The I just feel like as a baptized Catholic, that's what I need to identify with, right? But I still have a duty to my neighbors, yeah. But I know you have a different point of view because you you like as an American, you're very proud of that, and you have a uh connection to the land to some degree, yeah. But it's a similar situation because America is still part of a colonial project to begin with, and then it changed. Where straight is still younger in that position, and yes, we're we're a prisoner colony. Um, and that yeah, so I don't know. I don't know what I'm trying to ask, it's just more from a Catholic perspective.

SPEAKER_15 31:27

Uh where did uh where did your parents migrate from, if you don't mind me asking?

SPEAKER_10 31:33

Naples in Italy.

SPEAKER_15 31:35

Okay. Ah, so you're related to Ant.

SPEAKER_10 31:40

Um I'm pretty fit.

SPEAKER_15 31:42

Yeah, you yeah, comparatively. Um you know, it's it's one of those things like, are you an Australian? Are you not? It I don't know, right? It's it's not for me to say that's for sure, but it's it's one of those things like I I wouldn't say it's impossible for you or your your descendants to be, you know, to truly become Australians. Um, you know, Aquinas said it would, you know, it would take I forget it's the third or fourth generation, but um, you know, uh you can develop a connection to the land and to the people and you know to the to the to the culture that they have. And um and it similar, not just in like a melting pot sort of way, but truly truly develop that sort of you know connection. And eventually, you know, your your your children and their grandchildren will will intermarry into to the blood of of the nation as well. And you know, eventually you your family will be as as Australian as as any other. Um so whether or not you are yourself right now, I I don't know, but I think what's more important is your you definitely could become so, right? And and um if you you truly feel like it is your your home, then I would say you you have a duty to do so as well. Um you know, as a Catholic, even as well. Um, but yeah, you're right. As as Catholics, obviously that comes that comes first for us. Um and it's more important than our national identities, but it's okay for our national identities to be a part of it too. And it's it's okay for you to be, you know, an Italian, Australian Catholic, or you know what? Not even not not that even like using the word Italian, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_10 33:37

That's the apology, but oh that's like this is where the progression's gone to is like I'll talk to people now because in Australia, um, most of the migrants were from the south. Um, and as I started researching, like coming back to the faith, researching European history, I'm like, the term didn't exist then, but the Neapolitans, in a sense, uh the a lot of them that came to America, um, they were practically refugees, you could argue. They were a lot of religious refugees, even you could say, yeah, like they had to flee because of the free mate, Freemasonic New State um oppression, and we just like people don't even like register that today. And I'm like, that's very like that's changing my point of view. It's like the concept of Italian, it's not even a thing, yeah. And that's why I'm like, is Australian even a thing? Because I don't know what that means, really, because we don't have a history, we're like a hundred years old, a hundred two hundred years old. Um, we're our history before was in you know the battle of Gallipoli, you know the battle of Gallipoli? Oh, yeah, yeah. That's Australia's like forming story.

SPEAKER_15 34:52

But but and yeah, that it it's only a hundred years old, but I mean the the hell the Anzac troops troops went through and the the bravery they showed at Gallipoli and other theaters, and I mean the the Anzacs you know fought tooth and nail against the Japanese in the worst possible conditions in World War II.

SPEAKER_10 35:16

The thing is, World War I was our forming as a people, yeah, in the sense of we no longer Australians no longer looked at themselves as British subjects, they looked at themselves as Australians after that suffering period. And I I um it's a story that I have a great respect for, and it's not one I can um had he said being a migrant connect with in the sense of my ancestors were part of this, but like I I had a gentleman when I grew up down the road, he gave me he served in the army, he served as an Anzac, if you lipparin, and he gave me one of his badges, like uh from uh sorry, one of his buttons from his coat. I still have that. Um, so it's more I don't know, in the sense of like you said, that that story, the narrative in Australia, it's Anzac is there, but it's like not because it's full of this woke stuff of like trying to get rid of it because we're offending migrant Muslims with it because we fought the Turks and all this stuff.

SPEAKER_15 36:16

Yeah, like every year it's insane, like what's happening, you know, but like I I mean you know, talking about like a connection to the land, like I would say another probably foundational part of like the Australian national myth is like Australia is a fairly inhospitable continent, and yet you know, um the you know the even if it started as a prison colony or whatever, the you know, the Australian people have have well not completely, but largely civilized what was you know a huge inhospitable continent. And you know, if you we talk about like Western expansion and manifest destiny here in the US, I imagine um I imagine there's a very similar very similar stories in Australia too.

SPEAKER_10 37:05

And and you probably think about Australia. Um, Australia compared to Americans are very proud. You can be very braggadocious, like you know, you know, in I don't mean that in a negative way, but we have that British issue of like we don't want to talk about it. Yeah, it's like we shy away from any achievement. It's very it's very interesting. Like I I like, oh there's a desire in America for greatness. Uh you see that in the general person. Um in Australia it's like that tall pop we call it tall poppy syndrome. As soon as anyone grows a bit too big, you sort of they want to know. So like we have great history, great story in that sense, like what you said, but it's not taught, it's not proclaimed, it's it's not used. If anything, it's all about apologizing for the harm it's done to the indigenous peoples. Which I agree it did happen. Like there were some bad things that happened, obviously, when nations collide or when peoples collide. That's normal. Yeah, um I just don't know what to teach my kids. That's the problem, man. They're gonna go into school and they're gonna get told completely the white man was bad. And there's this myth that the indigenous people were like the Garden of Eden before the white man came. Like, really, that's the prevailing story. They couldn't go wrong, they lived with the land, all this sort of stuff. And you're just like, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_15 38:37

Like humans have never lived like that in any way a lot of good.

SPEAKER_10 38:42

Right, but that's the prevailing myth. You like in Australia, I'm not sure what it's like in America, but any employer has to give you, we call it like a cultural awareness trainer, but it's regarding Indigenous Australians. Every employer does that, uh uh yeah, if you're a medium to large employer, you have to oh my gosh, yeah. And it's just literally you being told the indigenous people were perfect, they lived in paradise before you can.

SPEAKER_15 39:16

Um how do the indigenous people in Australia feel about that? Because here in the here in the US, if you if you really talk to to most um American Indians, they um most of them, you know, most of them are obviously proud of of their heritage and history, and they're they're proud of fighting the white man, but they also usually have a pretty pretty strong respect for you know for the fight that the white man gave them, too. Um, and which is why so many of them are are actually rather can be rather patriotic and join the military and things things like that.

SPEAKER_10 40:07

How how do the Indigenous Australians feel about I can't speak officially because I I'm not involved, but um from my involvement with them in my work, um like any group of people that's disordering groups and and thoughts like they can't agree on how they want to proceed. I'll give you an example like um in New Zealand, the Maori spoke a common language, and when they were fighting the the British, they were able to um select uh one monarch, like a king of them all, and then form they were able to bring all the tribes together to have a response to the British. Um in New Zealand they it's called like they there's like a holiday called that celebrates the Treaty of Waitangi, they call it. Um and so the Mali would, in a sense, they aren't happy about the issues that colonialism or let's say white settlement or whatever has caused their people, but they have had a better response in terms of like in New Zealand, like um the Mali language is part of the school curriculum, the signage in the country that's it's part of its English how Maori. It's like it's it's like um they're able to progress a lot more in these areas. The issue with Australia was one, it was so big, and the different tribes had different engagement with uh the with the British because of the large scale of the country. So New South Wales, Queensland, like this is the east coast of Australia, because that's where it was first settled. There's like there was whole, there's like 600 dialects or maybe more. So they've never been able to agree on anything because all their cultures are different. There's not one Aboriginal culture, it's wherever you were in Australia, your culture was different. Like the Digi-Ridoo, everyone knows Diggeridoo, that only comes from one small place in the Northern Territory, right? And it's just been adopted by everyone else to be an indigenous because they're trying to recreate their culture. But that part of Australia, the north, they were the last ones to have contact with with the say modern the modern man, and they'd been able to keep their language, they'd have better, like um, I think in America you guys have like um the indigenous people have their like lands, if they have some reservations. Is that correct? Like uh they can have reservations, yeah. Their reservations are are largely making keys, they're gonna take concessions. Right, so there are a few examples like that in Australia, but that's because they've had late contact. And when I say late contact, I mean like early 1900s. Okay, so it's quite very recent. Um so in terms of their response, no, there's not one like uh there are there are patriotic ones, uh, but there then are the ultra Marxist communist indigenous ones. Um but the general indigenous person like that I've encountered, they're caught in between, like because I I've done work uh in suicide prevention with young people and I've helped run programs in regional areas that address indigenous that issue in the indigenous community. Those people don't know what to think because they're meeting them on a different what but it's really they're being the poor people are being weaponised for other political agendas. They're just like I wouldn't even say they think of them because crap. They um they just they're just trying to support. That's like yeah, it's a weird it's Australia that it's a big issue in Australia, it's hard to get around. There's like everyone most migrants end up uh their weapon. I'll give you an example. There's a large growing Islamisation in Australia, like group, and historically in the north of Australia, you would have before British settlement Indonesian fishermen come to collect some seashell type creature, and they would do some basic trade with the northern tribe. Recently in Australia, there's been a push for some Islamic politicians to get into elected. It hasn't been successful, but it's built, it's building, but they're creating the propaganda behind it. And there was a filmmaker who made a film making and an indigenous groups, Marxist groups supported them in this and promoted the legal moral and funded it, and vice versa. Where that they would make an argument that indigenous the Muslims had to come to Australia first and it was peaceful and it was it was good and it was um productive, and that if you uh accept Islam in the sense that it's positive, Australia will wouldn't have been in the situation that the British put it in with the you know second-class treatment of indigenous people. Like that was the movie, and it was like they were trying to pass it off as like history, and it's like fire, and that's slowly becoming more and more of a thing, and they're getting a lot more bolder, the uh Islamic demands.

SPEAKER_12 45:40

Uh yeah, because they can get a past nation, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_10 45:45

Yeah, my like my local cathedral, I run like a rosary group with a bunch of men. Um my local cathedral on Good Friday for the past two years, the mosque in the same area has set up across the road and done the praise and done prayers and everything really loudly at 3 p.m. Which is obviously the time that Good Friday starts. Um police do nothing, no one does nothing. Yeah, yeah, it's slightly getting there, it's slightly gonna get worse and worse.

SPEAKER_15 46:18

Yeah, it definitely will. Yeah, we got uh I got someone waiting here, so I'm gonna let you go, T. Um, I would just say, you know, as far as the whole Australian nationality thing, just um, you know, if it I mean obviously it's your home, you're second generation, so uh just uh just lean into it and um if you need to be kind of like a braggadocious American about it, do so.

Explaining Divorce To Future Kids

SPEAKER_15 46:45

But uh take it easy, man. Thanks for uh calling in a guy. What's up, Matt?

SPEAKER_08 46:53

Rob, how you doing, man?

SPEAKER_15 46:54

Good, how about yourself?

SPEAKER_08 46:56

I'm doing good. The uh I'm from small town USA, like you in the county fairs in town right now. So if I'm uh shaky, it's because the population of our town went from like a thousand to ten thousand overnight. So now it is. Um hey, I had a it's kind of a well, it's kind of a personal question, I guess, for you, but um you've kind of alluded that your parent situation isn't great. Um I think it's pretty common for a lot of cradles um or reverts or whatever you want to call them, that we have parents that have made pretty great sins in their life.

SPEAKER_13 47:42

Yep.

SPEAKER_08 47:43

And um so my wife comes from an awesome family, great Catholic family, seven kids, parents have a great marriage, all that stuff. My family, my parents are divorced, which is a pretty common thing, but it doesn't make it like it doesn't make it like easy, right?

SPEAKER_13 48:00

No, no.

SPEAKER_08 48:03

Yeah, so my uh my wife and I are expecting our first child in January, and she's kind of like freaking out about how we're going to explain to our kids that my parents are divorced, were married in the Catholic Church, and now they're both remarried, and they were both remarried in the Catholic Church. And even what I just said has like three contradictions in it. So I don't know what your familial situation is, it's probably somewhat similar if I were to guess, but what how would you explain that to a like tender young mind?

SPEAKER_15 48:44

Yeah, that's um, that's tough. In some ways, mine is more complicated, but also easier when it comes to comes to kids. So, like, um, my my parents are divorced. Um my dad passed away a few years ago. My mom is never um never remarried, and the divorce largely was due to my dad's health issues. Um and so so yeah, I I've never had to try to explain to my to my kids why why both you know why grandma and grandpa aren't married or married to other people that yeah, that's tough. My my wife's parents are divorced as well, and her mom has remarried, but her dad isn't um isn't kind of in the picture with our family, so my kids have never met him and only know her mom's new husband, you know, as not not as a grandpa, but as a grandfather figure. So we've never had to deal with that.

SPEAKER_08 49:59

So that's almost easier when you have a a parent who's totally out of the picture. I mean, I mean, yeah, I don't mean any offense by that, but yeah, your dad's passed on, and yeah, your wife's family, there's one parent that is isn't in the picture, so it's almost like easier to explain, especially to the young kids, like, oh, like these are just your grandma and grandpa if you choose to do that or whatever. But when there's like four grandparents on one side, it's like and they're all Catholic and they all profess to be Catholic. It's like, you know, how do you say like what's going on here isn't normal, but without saying something that they repeat to their grandparents that would like totally like parental suicide?

SPEAKER_15 50:40

It's um it's one of those things where you will probably just have to accept that they're gonna say something to one of the grandparents that is going to uh make things uncomfortable, right? Because I I don't think there's any way you know, unless you wait until they're they're older, but but you know they're gonna have questions starting at three, four, you know, at ages where they're not gonna be able to control what they repeat back, unfortunately. Um but yeah, I mean the kids are always gonna end up saying or repeating something you really don't want them to, and you just have to know that. And yeah, uh I don't know. Um it's one of those things where when the my kids have asked me things where if if I had thought about it beforehand, I would have been terrified of them asking, but when they ask you kind of in the moment, you tend to just find a good way or at least the best way possible of saying something. So I wouldn't I wouldn't worry too much about it. It's you know, it's is don't your your wife shouldn't be freaking out about it. It's gonna come up. Who knows when, who knows, who knows where. You'll just have to deal with it. And I would just, I would, I would just, you know, you don't have to be brutal about it, but just be kind of blunt about it. Just just tell them, you know, like like uh your grandparents, you know, the the situation your grandparents in are not the way God intended, like you know, like mommy and daddy are together. Um but you'd never have to worry about that happening to you, you know, and then that's like a reassurance kind of thing. Exactly. And because I think that's where a lot of those questions come from with kids is a little bit of a curiosity, a little bit of curiosity, of course, but also you know what if they ever realize like you know, Grammy or grandma and grandpa were you know my dad's mom and dad, and they are not to get, you know, yeah, they might get that that worry that will that happen to my mom and dad. And I would make it less about explaining the intricacies of the situation to them and make it more about reassuring them that that situation isn't something they personally have to worry about themselves. No, because especially with other friends or relatives, they'll run into other kids that have you know probably way worse situations.

SPEAKER_08 53:28

I thought trad families were supposed to just like I thought trad families were just supposed to like lock themselves up in their house with uh their homeschool co-op and those are the only people they were gonna associate with. Isn't that how we're supposed to do it?

SPEAKER_15 53:41

Yeah, you know, you'd almost think so from what what you hear from a lot of places, but uh but even in small town America that's just not reality. Probably more than probably especially in small town America, that's not a reality.

SPEAKER_08 53:53

Honestly, yeah, we live in a really nice little town here, but um, yeah, the surrounding area is rough. So yeah, it's certainly gonna be the case when they start playing on sports teams or join 4-H or whatever. It's gonna be it's gonna be a wake-up call. So um what's good about that? My wife, this is my wife's hometown we live in, and so she knows the community really well, she knows the people really well. We have a ton of family around here, so that's all really positive. But this is definitely the thing that she's I'm kind of surprisingly the most nervous about, like more nervous than the pregnancy or birth or anything. She's like talking about it every day, so yeah. I guess with her, it's just like probably the same reassurance, I guess, almost like talking to a kid.

SPEAKER_15 54:39

Yeah, um, and and she's probably nervous about it just because like you said, she has a good solid family, and um in it, and it's it's strange to her too, I'm sure, you know.

SPEAKER_08 54:52

Yeah, it's kind of unknown. Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 54:55

Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah, I mean, you you'll you'll find what you know once you have your your is it. Do you know if it's a boy or girl yet?

SPEAKER_08 55:04

We just found out last week it's a girl. So congrats. Thank you, man. Yeah, we're pretty excited. We named her right away, and yeah, we're pumped.

SPEAKER_15 55:14

So awesome. Well, uh, you'll you'll find, especially as you have more, um, all the all the worries and anxieties, a lot of them go away, uh, just because you realize like there's no reason, you know. But uh new ones pop up too. But uh you'll find 90% of the the like the stuff you thought you needed and put on baby shower lists and stuff you use once or twice and end up not ever using again and stuff like that. But honestly, it comes uh pretty all comes pretty natural. There's not not a lot to worry about, man.

SPEAKER_08 55:53

All that stuff, it's uh all these boomers that want to throw all these parties for the freaking wedding. You throw all these bridal showers and the blah engagement party, and then you get pregnant, and there's like three baby showers, it's exhausting. It's like relax, people. Yeah, yeah, a lot.

SPEAKER_15 56:11

You know, uh um bottle warmers, stupid. Uh bottle cleaner, bottle steamers, stupid. Um, you know, I don't know. I don't I don't know how you feel about the whole co-sleeping debate. But bassinets, in my opinion, stupid, useless. What like you'll need lots of diapers, but not newborn size. You think you need newborn size? You don't. Uh you'll you'll be, you know, you might be in newborns for a week or two, unless it's like unless the baby comes really early. But you'll be in newborns for a week or two, then you're in size one for maybe a month, you're in size two a little bit longer, but it's like size three and size four, you're in a lot more. So, like if you're gonna have a baby shower, have have have people bring size three and four diapers because you'll be in those for months at a time, not a couple weeks. Um, good car seat is more important than most of the other stuff. Good stroller is pretty important, but most of the other stuff is just useless.

SPEAKER_08 57:12

Yeah, we're fortunate. We already have uh well, our our child is gonna have nine cousins already. So that's we've got like a ton of, yeah. My wife's from a family of seven, and uh, she's gonna be the fifth one now with a kid of their own. So yeah, we've got all kinds of hand-me-downs and all kinds of stuff. So the big Catholic families, man, it pays off more than just spiritual, the material side of it's really handy.

SPEAKER_15 57:38

Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 57:41

So, anyways, no, it's good advice though. Appreciate it, Rob.

SPEAKER_15 57:44

Yeah, no problem, man. Uh, just tell her not to worry about it, it'll be fine.

SPEAKER_08 57:48

Uh, you know, women.

SPEAKER_15 57:50

I do.

SPEAKER_08 57:51

I do even at Christmas, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_15 57:54

So well, you you enjoy your county fair, sir.

SPEAKER_08 57:58

Yes, sir. Thank you. Appreciate

Creator Life And Online Persona Talk

SPEAKER_08 58:00

it.

SPEAKER_15 58:00

Yeah, take it easy, man.

SPEAKER_08 58:01

All right, God bless.

SPEAKER_15 58:02

Bye. Well, well, well, Mr. E-girl himself.

SPEAKER_11 58:09

How are you doing, Rob?

SPEAKER_15 58:11

Chris, it's been a while, man.

SPEAKER_11 58:12

Yeah, it has been quite a while. But I do text you too often, and I apologize for that. It's okay, dude. Um, how are things going over here with you? Uh, you had you guys have had a lot of good local streams lately. It feels like you guys are really taking off, even past 100,000. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_15 58:28

It's uh it's one of those things like the the subs grew really fast, but like I don't know, the last year on YouTube, YouTube more than locals or or what else. Um it's been rough, man. Like we'll we'll have videos, some videos that get decent views, but most of the videos like it's it it it struggles to break 10,000 views, you know.

SPEAKER_11 58:52

But yeah, but still 10,000 people seeing you know your your podcast on a weekly basis. I know daily basis, actually.

SPEAKER_15 58:59

Yeah, yeah, I know. It's just it um I don't know. Sometimes it sucks, sometimes it's it's discouraging. But you know, I I hear that from so many creators that like the last year has been weird and hard.

SPEAKER_11 59:15

Yeah, it's been kind of a like I I saw my views dip right before I took my break, and then I had a lot of time to kind of think about what I wanted to do and refocus when I came back from my break, which it wasn't really a break. If you want to know the details, I was working like six 12 hour days, and a baby was on the way to deliver, you know. So it's like that was not a break. A break from this, but that's about it. Yeah, pretty much, yeah. So she's she's three months old, she's sleeping good right now, and uh, so I just figured I'd come down here and chat for a minute. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_15 59:47

Is uh you can't I know you ocean, is that you?

SPEAKER_11 59:52

Take your head. You want ocean, do you want to be on by yourself or you want to come on with Chris? He was saying in the chat earlier he doesn't want to be by himself on a one-on-one. Okay. What's up, Ocean? What's going on?

SPEAKER_15 1:00:06

We can't hear you, dude. You're muted. You're muted. Oh, he can't do it. I think he said he can't do it. I think he bailed.

SPEAKER_11 1:00:14

Oh man. You gotta settle Taffy's question, though. What's you gotta taffy wants to know if it was worse when I interviewed e-girls or when I was getting interviewed by a woman online?

SPEAKER_15 1:00:25

Dude, it is so much worse that the Catholic engineer interviewed you.

SPEAKER_11 1:00:33

Maybe that's just because she's not my uh I know she's not your guys' cup of tea. I understand that. Yeah, yeah. I'm I'm friends with her husband. We got invited to her wedding, actually.

SPEAKER_15 1:00:42

So uh good uh good tweetman, right?

SPEAKER_11 1:00:45

Yeah, yeah. I him and I text every once in a while. He's really excited. Their first child's on the way. They're they're doing great. That's awesome. He's from uh he's from Nebraska, right? Yeah, yeah. He's a Cornhusker. Yeah, well, shoot. I think he might have lived in Kansas for a bit, too. Yeah, yeah, but I'm I'm pretty positive.

SPEAKER_15 1:01:05

I don't know if he went to uh to the University of Nebraska. But he's a really cool dude, actually. He he he does seem so I'm just not the biggest fan of his wife, at least online. I'm sure, you know, that's one thing.

SPEAKER_11 1:01:21

Like yeah, well, that's why that's why the the best exposure for women is in person, not online.

SPEAKER_15 1:01:28

There's there's had to have been a better word for you to use. That's fair. That's fair.

unknown 1:01:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:01:33

What I mean is like when you meet somebody, it's better in person because I I feel like when when women are posting online, it's gets really annoying sometimes.

SPEAKER_15 1:01:42

Yeah, and like I mean, I'm in a I'm more of I am more of an asshole online than I would imagine than in person. I'm not saying I'm not one in person. Ocean, did you ocean, what did you crash or did you did you decide you couldn't do it? All he says is no e-girls ever.

SPEAKER_11 1:02:05

I really enjoyed um interviewing E. Michael Jones. Man, that guy is awesome. I know you guys interviewed him first, so yeah, he um he's yeah, he I mean uh when it's someone I've never talked to.

SPEAKER_15 1:02:22

I mean, I'm sure you all have noticed, I didn't generally don't talk on the interview then, but um, yeah, it was a good yeah, he was a good interview. He's an interesting guy, really, really, really smart and really insightful on a lot of things. But I mean, like everyone, uh yeah, he has some blind spots in my opinion, but um overall, yeah. And uh Logos Rising is one of the most I don't know how to describe that book.

SPEAKER_11 1:02:52

It's like a historical walkthrough of people who accept and reject Jesus, yeah.

SPEAKER_15 1:02:57

It on what yeah, it and on what grounds? It's it's it's like two books in one. It's like uh history of philosophy, yeah, on one hand, but then also like it, like you said, a history of of of rejecting logos, which you know, rejecting Christ, basically. So it's it is a really interesting book. And sometimes this philosophy stuff gets a little much in that book and kind of gets logged down and uh down in it sometimes.

SPEAKER_11 1:03:27

But have you read uh Augustine's Confessions, St. Augustine's Confessions? I haven't. I know I I know I need to. Uh E. Michael Jones, it was so interesting reading Logos Rising because in Logos Rising, he said Logos. I it's messing me up. Like in my head now, I hear him saying it, so I keep saying Logos and Logos. I know, I know. But um it it actually lays out why Saint Augustine spent like three whole chapters of his confessions talking about time. Because that made no sense to me. I'm like, we we have all this deep like philosophical thought on the Catholic Church, and then all of a sudden detour into talking about time for three books, like three whole books of his writing. I'm like, like what the heck? But apparently it was to um kind of go against what the the Greek philosophical thought on time, because it was a it would it would be like a heresy, I guess, the way it was working out, like where everything is present and time only happens when things move. It was so confusing. But Augustine basically says, no, no, no, time is God is outside of time, he's the the you know, and he kind of goes through all that. But uh reading E. Michael Jones kind of gave me the context of why he spent so much time talking about time. Interesting.

Augustine Time And Prayer Beyond Time

SPEAKER_15 1:04:40

We got we got ocean giving another try here, guys.

SPEAKER_11 1:04:43

All right, let's see it.

SPEAKER_15 1:04:44

Oh what's up, man?

SPEAKER_11 1:04:46

We can hear him.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:47

Yeah, we can hear you, yes, sir. I'm sorry, um uh hopped off. You can guys get just can you guys can contend your conversation?

SPEAKER_15 1:04:56

It's okay, man. Trust me, I it's been uh four and a half years of doing this, and I still feel really weird getting on camera, dude. So don't worry about that.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:06

Yeah, sometimes you forget you're on camera, like you're just sitting there in a conversation, and then like this has happened to me multiple times. I'm like in the middle of an interview and I forget, oh, I'm not listening, I'm I'm actually the interviewer, I need to remember what I'm gonna say next.

SPEAKER_15 1:05:19

Yeah, the the conversations can be easy. It's like um when I did the video on the Spanish Civil War, and I basically like telling a story looking directly into like that.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:32

Oh, those are those are really good videos. Uh they're very informative. I like them. I sent them to my friends. Thank you, Scott.

SPEAKER_11 1:05:42

I was recalling how I originally stumbled on uh the Hitchborne interview, and it was actually funny, Rob. A Protestant sent me that link.

SPEAKER_13 1:05:50

Which Hitchborne interview?

SPEAKER_11 1:05:52

The oh, I'm sorry, you've done a bunch of them. The one about uh Genesis and the flood and all that. Okay.

SPEAKER_15 1:06:00

Like one of our first one of our first ones within pitch board.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:03

Yeah, he had sent me that. Like I had seen Anthony's review of the Padre Pio movie, which was that that movie's garbage. I mean, that is horrible.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:10

I was like, I was watching like on YouTube, and all of a sudden, like that that one scene like came up.

SPEAKER_15 1:06:18

What the the sh the Shia LaBeouf one? Yes.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:22

I I still have not seen it, and I probably will not don't watch it. Don't watch it. If you could watch an edited version with just the Shia LaBeouf parts where he's clothed, that would probably be decent. Yeah. Just it's just several naked parts out of nowhere. What seriously? Yeah. Yeah, it's like out of nowhere. It's like jump scare. All of a sudden it's like his whole butt's hanging out, and you're like, what the heck?

SPEAKER_07 1:06:46

Oh, wait, you were talking about uh E Michael Jones and St. Augustine.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:51

Yeah, E. Michael Jones in Logos Rising talks about why Logos. Now I'm messing it up, Rob. Uh why Augustine spent so much time talking about time. And it actually kind of gave me the context on that.

SPEAKER_15 1:07:04

Time is um the way time is uh phrased um in languages. It it's interesting how the way you like a uh a different people talk about time, how much it it influences the whole way like they they see the world, like um it and I'm no expert on Spanish is as I'm sure you all know, but like you know, here like in English we think of time generally as like like left to right, right? Yeah, you know, backwards, forward, left, right. Where I guess, and I could be very I could be a hundred percent wrong about this. So if I am, I'm sure you will all take the chance to tell me. But in sp in Spanish or in similar languages, the way time is often phrased is more like up and down, it's more vertical instead of okay horizontal. And like I said, I'm probably wrong about that, but but I mean think of like we think of like forward in time, whereas a language that talks about like up and down, you know, they're I just think of how how that can change the way you see everything in the world. I'm sure it's oh yeah, can you know it's stuff like that that I I think about at the weirdest times. I just kind of sleep and stuff.

SPEAKER_11 1:08:28

Really, the one thing that's gotten me contemplating time lately has been the fact that prayer lives outside of time. Like the fact that you can pray for like deceased relatives while they were living and God will hear those prayers as if they were alive because God's outside of time. That's just such an odd concept. I think one of the like really famous priests was talking about this, and then I read about it in I don't remember what book it was, and I was like, holy cow, this is like a real thing. Like you can actually pray for somebody who's already deceased, and that prayer will be heard by God at the time it was needed. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:05

Wasn't there like a I remember um reading it was like a spot a story about uh God Ray V where uh he was uh praying for this wondering dad who's actually like do it, but his prayers caused them to convert, like at the end of his lifetime. I thought that was like crazy.

SPEAKER_15 1:09:22

Yeah, yeah, and uh there's the similar story, I think, from St. John Vianni, where um where he uh you know, you obviously had a line for hearing confessions, and he jumped out of the confessional and yelled to a woman who was waiting in line, like uh her husband had just killed himself by jumping off a bridge. Yeah, yelled, like, don't worry, you know, at before he hit the water, he had a perfect act of contrition, and you know, um, yeah, so there's stuff like that that's pretty amazing.

SPEAKER_11 1:10:00

Yeah, and there's actually some mystics who have said they've seen this is kind of a sad thing, actually. Some mystics have said they've seen uh Protestants in purgatory, and the reason they can't get out of purgatory is then all roses praying for them, yeah. Well it's cool and sad at the same time.

SPEAKER_15 1:10:17

One thing I've made a habit for my family to do, and I've taught my kids is anytime we pass any cemetery, what Catholic or not, we you know, we make sure to say the sign of the cross and and yeah, say a prayer, you know, specifically for those who are most in need and have no one else to pray for them. So my kids make sure to do that every time we pass a cemetery. They love to yell, cemetery, make the sign of the cross.

SPEAKER_11 1:10:42

My kids do the same thing, Rob. That's hilarious. Well, it's it's awesome, it's not hilarious, it's awesome. Um, sometimes my kids will just be like, cemetery, like as loud as they can.

SPEAKER_15 1:10:52

Or you know, I like I uh anytime we go by an ambulance or an ambulance, you know, goes by with their lights on or fire truck, you know, we make sure to say a quick prayer. Unfortunately, my kids um just assume that means anytime you uh you see you know uh police lights, you should say a prayer. So, you know, we've been driving down the road and uh have said prayers for people getting field sobriety tests and things like that.

SPEAKER_11 1:11:23

That's good. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_15 1:11:24

It's like, yeah, they they need prayers, but not the kind you guys think of or thinking of.

SPEAKER_11 1:11:29

Yeah, my kids like to do the is the angel of God, my guardian deer. That's that's the one they like to do for that one. Yep. Do you so do your kids have you taught your kids Latin prayers, English prayers, both? Mostly English.

SPEAKER_15 1:11:42

Um yeah, well it's one of those things like if we only had one or two kids, I probably would have started teaching, you know, have started teaching more Latin prayers as like my oldest got to be, you know, three, four, five, something like that. But like it's hard to be teaching him Latin prayers while I'm teaching the three-year-old, you know, still working on the just the English prayers with her. So right. I think it's gonna be probably more part of school in uh how old do you always turn around? He is seven. Seven, okay. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:12:20

So yeah, my my oldest is nine, and he had actually his at his the school that I've we've been sending him to, they've had a Latin teacher for a while now, so he knows a decent chunk of like prayers in Latin, thankfully. My seven-year-old though, he's like so uh, what's the right word? Uh um stubborn. So, like if he learns a prayer one way, he doesn't want to learn another way. If he does things one way, he doesn't want to do the other way. So it's like eh, give and take with that one.

SPEAKER_15 1:12:46

My our our second oldest, Iggy, who's five, um, he he's the one that has the the speech impediment, um, and and you know, takes speech therapy. So I think that's an like I've never he struggles so much with the English that we always make sure to slow down and do the English prayers for him. So his his older brothers never really had the chance to you know to do the Latin prayers because we're we always have to work so hard in just the standard English prayers for his little brother, but yeah, but it is what it is.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:20

He should have put on Taylor Marshall in their sleep while they're sleeping. Oh wake up to be singing Latin.

SPEAKER_11 1:13:31

On his headset while he's sleeping. Oh man, that'd be something colored in with Rob's luck, it would autoplay into Taylor Marshall's cover of Imagine No Felton, and he would hear that all night. They'd be like, Dad, I want to hear what is it, uh John Lennon or whatever. And it's like, no, that's Taylor Marshall. The kids wake up speaking Greek.

SPEAKER_15 1:13:53

No, YouTube, your autoplay function went to an Eastern Orthodox Orthodox channel.

SPEAKER_11 1:13:59

No, one of the funny if you started speaking like Russian, like Russian Orthodox channels. That's I took six years of Russian, so oh, did you? Well, at least you'd understand them.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:11

You really are a Russian asset.

SPEAKER_15 1:14:12

I am not a Russian asset. I've never even traveled to Russia, unfortunately. I'd I'd really love to, but uh, when it was uh when high school changes Russian, Rob. When when I had to take language at high school, and the options were French, Spanish, or Russian. Well, that was a pretty easy choice to me. Okay, that's very kid listening to to John Deloney while he sleeps.

unknown 1:14:41

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_11 1:14:42

Wakes up, starts giving marriage advice. The worst

Co-Sleeping Arguments And Catholic Internet Drama

SPEAKER_11 1:14:45

kind. Yeah. Speak advice. Oh my. So I heard a rumor, and maybe it was Taffy told me this. Um, that Anthony only spends about 40 minutes targeted on Twitter per day. Is that true?

SPEAKER_04 1:14:58

What?

SPEAKER_11 1:14:59

That's what Taffy. I mean, it wasn't Taffy. I don't know. Somebody told me that Anthony somehow targets time frames where he uses Twitter and that's it. But I feel like he tweets all day. Yeah, I was gonna yeah, yeah. Oh, she's right. With his number of tweets, there's no way. Like unless he schedules them all somehow. No, like gets up for boomer and boomer tech Anthony. No way he schedules his tweets. Okay, fair enough, fair enough. There wasn't Tappy. Okay, he said he didn't say that. All right, somebody said that. Uh maybe it was maybe it was Josh. Somebody told me this in the last like 24 hours that he thought Anthony had targeted his time on Twitter. I don't know, maybe he doesn't, probably not. Oh crash making cash. What is in this chat? Crash making cash. Oh man, yeah. Ocean, they're they're giving you MM memes saying the words won't come out. He's choking now. At least they didn't say mom's.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:59

I have to like uh whisper to think of like I love Mexicans, but when they built their house, they're like lazy. You can hear like everything.

SPEAKER_15 1:16:13

So this is like an Ann Frank sort of situation right now. You're hiding in the attic talking to your Catholic friends, your parents don't hear.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:22

This one really happened.

SPEAKER_15 1:16:23

This one really there's no no uh future ballpoint pen involved in this one. Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_11 1:16:32

Oh man. Oh, so Taffy said Josh said that in relation to Anthony's vacation, so he was only targeting time on vacation. That makes sense. That makes sense. That makes a lot more sense. Okay, all right, that's fair. Ocean Frank. Yeah, that's just true. They probably oh yeah. So question for you, uh, Ocean. How many of my shows have you actually watched? Because you've been in the chat a lot lately.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:00

Only when okay, I'm gonna be honest, only when there's someone interesting on. I saw I saw like your post this morning on like Catholic Engineer, and I like had an eye hole in the back of my head in like Anthony's monologue about like you girl like started replaying at this point.

SPEAKER_15 1:17:19

Chris just does it just to piss off Anthony.

SPEAKER_11 1:17:22

Yeah, don't make me bring religious hippie back on, okay?

SPEAKER_07 1:17:28

Like, is she still making videos?

SPEAKER_11 1:17:30

She does, she makes mostly like Instagram stuff, and I think she uploads sporadically to her YouTube page. Um, but she's really cut back on her social media a lot. She's not on Twitter, she's barely on Instagram. Um, but I'm friends with her husband, so like I I I keep up with them a little bit.

SPEAKER_15 1:17:49

So I'm gonna tell my kids that's Tim Pool.

SPEAKER_11 1:17:54

Somebody said that I look like if Tim Pool and the quartering had a baby.

SPEAKER_15 1:17:59

I don't know the quartering that much, so uh, it's hard for me to judge. Fair, fair. I noticed it's not the trademarked orange uh hat tonight, though. I don't wear an orange hat like ever. Maybe it's just in your profile pick or thumbnails or something.

SPEAKER_11 1:18:17

So I had an orange hat for like the first few shows. So you guys probably were on when I used the orange hat, but I haven't used that since like episode 10 or something. What do you got there, Rob? It's all blurry. Uh yeah, just just my carry pistol. Oh, okay. He's getting ready to shoot me through the local stream, guys. No, no more e-girls, Chris. Bam. Chris, we talked about this. I warned you. I warned you. He's like doing the whole I am nees and taking tests.

SPEAKER_15 1:18:54

Rob, don't bring the gun out when the colored kid is hiding away, whispering to the two men twice his age.

SPEAKER_11 1:19:00

I hope I'm not twice your age, Ocean. Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_15 1:19:04

No, we are at more than two age.

SPEAKER_11 1:19:06

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_15 1:19:07

Um, I don't know for sure how old you are, Chris, but I'm pretty you've got to be what, mid-30s, early 30s? I'm 33.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:15

Look at the chat.

SPEAKER_11 1:19:16

Yeah, I see. They posted the worst picture of the quartering. It's the one that all the news sites used to run when they when they were trying to call him a racist. Do you see it, Ralph? Yeah, is that the one with the the beard and the the giant hair? That that is the quartering from like a decade ago. He's lost a little bit of weight and he keeps his hair more trimmed now. 17 Ocean. Yeah, white. That's how old Ocean is. Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, oh, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. I thought he was saying like Ocean's 11 or something like that. You know, like the movie.

unknown 1:19:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:19:57

I read I read it wrong. Oh man. Well then I'm not quite twice your age. Ocean.

SPEAKER_15 1:20:05

How the hell did you find yourself on this part of the internet?

SPEAKER_07 1:20:10

Okay, so I was like getting uh in middle school, I was always kind of slightly um by getting into Christianity. I started watching like redeemed humor of all people.

SPEAKER_15 1:20:27

You got into this because of Redeemed Zoomer?

SPEAKER_07 1:20:32

And then one day I figured a point, a Trent Horn video who is the debunking of Satan's eyes of the Bible. And I'm like, you know what, maybe Catholics aren't just fancy Christians. Fancy Christians? Yeah, Catholics as well, probably were. I like Methodist. I was like I wasn't that Catholic kid. I was dedicated by a woman like Mr.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:54

You wait, what I was dedicated by a woman. Like by Mormons? No, by women. Oh, by women? Yeah, by a method.

SPEAKER_15 1:21:07

Oh yeah, that makes sense. Okay. That makes sense.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:09

I was looking for a lot of things. I found I was I watched all this stuff. I watched all of your X Myers stuff. And I found uh Taylor Marshall. I watched all of their stuff. I watched all Candy Hall stuff. Like listen to their podcast like overnight if I might uh then Wagner and then A. Like because the first thing was uh I I watched the legislative. Yeah, I saw this video about Wagner about Legislative. I'm like, who's this guy? Why is he so new? This is a horrible guy. I hope I never end up horrible inside loser. Uh I see some other videos by Wagner. Yeah, I also like lose itself. Um yeah, so I get inside the Wagner stuff, the telling I kind of spread it out a little bit. I have a copy of the film, like this, like all one volume, like nine nine point five. I would just like spend nights reading that. And then one day I think Wagner had the AD guys on. I saw him like, these guys are crazy. Like, I don't agree with anything they say. They're much of like red, but like that guy right there, the red looking guy, that guy's fine. So I kept listening to the stuff because I thought anything was funny.

SPEAKER_15 1:22:37

The red-looking guy, the red-looking guy.

SPEAKER_11 1:22:41

I mean, he does look kind of red on stream, that is true.

SPEAKER_15 1:22:44

Yeah, he looks red in person too.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:46

It was horrible like a month ago.

SPEAKER_15 1:22:51

Did he get his lighting figured out yet? Yeah, TAFCO. So Ocean just likes guys he thinks are horrible people, and that's why he likes watching avoiding Babylon.

SPEAKER_11 1:23:03

Pretty much. Sounds like it. Please tell me the first stream you watched though was Kennedy Hall and the Coastleeping. Please tell me that was the first A B stream you saw.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:14

No, it was the first thing that I saw in A B, which like turned me off, was Rahab like Ragged in my car like you. Like what? It's like the first thing I ever saw off in AB.

SPEAKER_15 1:23:31

Oh my I it's the uh the the co-sleeping. No, we did we did put that out again. Did it? I'm pretty sure we put that out. It's still on locals.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:42

Deleted the leading.

SPEAKER_11 1:23:43

It's still on locals. I don't know if it actually came back out or not. I know it's on locals. That was that was so awkward with Kennedy afterwards. Well, yeah, I guess he comes on and Anthony's immediately trying to pull him into the debate. He does not want to get involved in this at all.

SPEAKER_15 1:23:59

Anthony still thinks it's funny. I'm just pissed. And Kennedy's like, what is going on?

SPEAKER_11 1:24:04

No, I I forget. Was it was it Angela that he was making very angry with his comments, or was it somebody else? Yeah, it was Angela. Okay, she and she's a wonderful woman. I've interviewed her too. She is uh my youngest's uh godmother. Yeah, she's super nice. I I have nothing but nice things to say about Angela.

SPEAKER_15 1:24:25

And uh Anthony is the godfather to that same child, and it was that was funny to make them both have to go to baptism.

SPEAKER_11 1:24:36

Um Margot's wedding. No, I was not.

SPEAKER_15 1:24:42

Uh that was what last yeah, last year, I think. Yeah, hope was very I think it was either Bash was uh brand newborn or hope was incredibly pregnant. Gotcha, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:24:56

That was the same reason I did not end up going to Catholic Engineers' wedding, was because um my wife was very pregnant at the time. We were not traveling halfway across the country, but we were invited. It would it would have been fun, it would have been a fun time from what I saw on the outside looking in.

SPEAKER_15 1:25:10

Yeah, yeah, that's right. You were very pregnant because I think it was in like July, June or July, and Bash was born in August. Can someone explain the co-sleeping controversy? I'm out of the loop.

SPEAKER_11 1:25:22

Do you want me to try to explain it, Rob, so you don't have to? It might be funny to hear someone else try to explain it. From what from what I can tell, Anthony thinks everybody with a co-sleeping arrangement and children does not engage with their their spouse at all. So he thinks anybody co-sleeping is pretty much has a dead bedroom.

SPEAKER_15 1:25:42

He also he thinks co-sleeping is like you just have a four-year-old in your bed every night. No, it's usually like the two are younger. Yeah, it's like when they're still nursing, eh? Like, that's what co-sleeping is.

SPEAKER_11 1:25:58

Or if they have like a bad dream, sometimes a kid will crawl in bed. Yeah, I feel like Anthony just kicks every child that crawls in his bed out based on what he says. Like he'll kick his wife out of bed too. She sleeps on the couch sometimes.

SPEAKER_15 1:26:10

Is that actually legit? Or did he just tweet that? No, no. When when the when they have an argument, instead of him sleeping on the couch, he makes her sleep on the couch.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:22

Said it on the cell.

SPEAKER_11 1:26:24

Can I honestly say that has never happened with my wife and I there might have been one night not being something right?

SPEAKER_07 1:26:33

That's what Anthony said.

SPEAKER_11 1:26:36

No, I mean, if if there's an argument going on, I'll just let her go to bed first and then I'll hop in later. I just don't ever sleep on the couch unless unless unless there's a reason, like somebody's sick or something like that. Then I might sleep on the couch, take care of a sick kid. But it's not usually for arguing. I wonder what Tim Gordon thinks about co-sleeping.

SPEAKER_15 1:26:55

You never know because never mind, never mind.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:59

I I like I can never tell the state of this channel with like Tim Gordon. Because you'll go back, you'll have like Anthony. They'll uh on like old episodes you did with Tim Gordon, they're like, You'll never have me, my friend. I'll never say anything bad about you on the stuff. Uh, and then like you get a few white claws in Anthony, and he's stretching Tim Gordon.

SPEAKER_15 1:27:21

All I'll say is I never made that promise to anyone.

SPEAKER_11 1:27:28

I I try to play that one carefully because I don't know Tim very well. So I try not to. The only thing that I I thought was kind of silly was the Carrie Prejan Bowler stuff. Like, why'd he spend so much time on that? But that that's my only real comment. Seemed kind of hypocritical.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:44

Luckily, Latin's law saved us from that. Poor went out for the dead one. Always an always.

SPEAKER_11 1:27:53

Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm I'm friends with uh Joe Enders um in real life, so I I just played that one safe. I there's no reason for me to be talking about Tim Gordon.

SPEAKER_15 1:28:05

Yeah, I'm gonna refrain from saying anything. Safest that way. Exactly.

SPEAKER_11 1:28:10

Exactly. Hey, so here's a question for you, Rob. Yeah. Um, I know you guys don't care for Lila Rose as she exists today, but have you ever look into her past? Have you no? I'm serious. Have you ever looked into her past? No, not at all. She used to do undercover operations exposing Planned Parenthood, like with James O'Keefe. I looked it up, it was really wild. Like she got arrested with him several times.

SPEAKER_15 1:28:36

Like it's it's wild the stuff that they were doing back when suppose that's just a lot more work and a lot less money, huh? Pretty much.

SPEAKER_11 1:28:43

I I would love to know how all that stuff went. I can care less about her podcast. I really don't.

SPEAKER_15 1:28:49

What why why would I want to watch any woman interview like a crazy Protestant that thinks he's raised someone from the dead?

SPEAKER_11 1:29:00

Why? Oh, yeah, that's why would I ever want to watch that? That was nuts. Okay, guys, we'll break it out. Everybody's talking about the orange hat. Here you go.

SPEAKER_15 1:29:07

See, you had it ready, you had it within reach.

SPEAKER_11 1:29:11

I haven't got guns. You know how many comfort thing is it? Hold on, hold on, hold on. We got two more over here, okay. We got another orange hat, although this one's kind of special. And my this was the one I used to do forever. I don't use them in the summer, so they all just sit down here. You have you my wife knits. She makes me a new hat like every year.

SPEAKER_15 1:29:42

I don't I don't like hats.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:45

Oh I guess covers up my covers up my dreads.

SPEAKER_11 1:29:50

I just use the Tim Pool strategy where nobody recognizes me in public.

SPEAKER_15 1:29:54

If you want to cover up the dreads, why do you have dreads?

SPEAKER_07 1:29:57

Uh because I'm lazy, because I'm really lazy, and I don't want to have like an afro or a high top that has to take half of the day.

SPEAKER_15 1:30:04

I mean, I get the after part.

SPEAKER_11 1:30:05

I do, but aren't dreads like an actual like there's a method to that madness that takes a long time to put together?

SPEAKER_07 1:30:11

Yeah, so the thing was I was in the middle, I had like the high top, but I had to pick it out, and if I did anything to it, it gets to dance on it. But then there was this kid that I thought was cool, and he had like his hair was like twisted, so I did that and I just let it grow so much that it locked together, so I figured it might as well get them like separated.

SPEAKER_15 1:30:35

I my mother used to pick my hair out every day as a kid.

SPEAKER_11 1:30:41

Did you have the really thick yeah, that's what I had going on too. I I had the serious jufro going on. My my kindergarten school picture, my hair was like trying to yeah, like this tall.

SPEAKER_15 1:30:54

It was stupid.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:55

Secretly related to trying home. You sure those DNA tests were accurate?

SPEAKER_11 1:31:01

So I did you see this comment? Somebody wrote Chris definitely got shot at

Walgreens Gunfire Story And Real-World Chaos

SPEAKER_11 1:31:05

in the woods once. That's why you have the orange hats now to make sure it doesn't happen. Someone tried to dick chain you. The only time I ever got shot at was in a Walgreens parking lot. What you've been yeah, hold on, hold on. Okay, you're telling this story now. Well, it was it was my um my my oldest son had like 105 fever, so I had to go to Walgreens at like two in the morning on the 4th of July. Okay. Um, it was my biggest podcast ever. I had to walk away from it. It was like 5,000 viewers, it was nuts. Anyway, that was with like the gaming podcast. Yeah, yeah. With it was Chris Ragon and Late Night Gaming. If any of you guys know who those guys are, big Halo YouTubers. And Chris Ragon's got a ton of music, did interviews with like Dave Rubin. He's got a huge channel. Him and I are still somewhat friends. He's like one of the only people that still talks to me from that world. Anyway, had to end the podcast early. Biggest podcast we had ever done, got monetized that night. It was nuts. So I'm driving away from that, going to go get Tylenol or whatever, meant maybe Motrin, whatever, whatever we're getting that night to try and stop the fever. Because I didn't even realize he had a fever until my wife came down and told me about it. Um, so I drove like a madman to Walgreens, the only Walgreens during COVID that was open 24 hours. So I had to drive quite away. It was like 30 minutes away. Get there, you know, fireworks are done. It's two in the morning. Some Yahoo with a pistol is just firing shots, just celebrating. And they are whizzing past my head. What like not even doing the air up fire in the air?

SPEAKER_15 1:32:33

He's just like doing boom, boom.

SPEAKER_11 1:32:35

Like I'm like, what the this was after I exited the white greens.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:39

But just I didn't get a good look at the guy.

SPEAKER_11 1:32:42

He was wearing like I don't freaking know. He was busy getting shot at. He's yeah, I was soon as well. Hold on, sir.

SPEAKER_15 1:32:47

Let me write down what you're wearing here.

SPEAKER_11 1:32:49

As soon as I realized what was happening, I literally hit the ground immediately. I had my bag of uh it must have been Motrin. My bag of Motrin is just faceplanted to the ground because like the best place I can be is as low as possible. So I dropped low, and then as soon as it stopped for like a brief second, I got up and ran to my car.

SPEAKER_13 1:33:08

Serpentine, serpentine!

SPEAKER_11 1:33:11

As I ran to my car, he starts firing again. Oh right past me. I'm like, what the like, what did I do? Anyway, I get into my car and I immediately bolted. I didn't even wait to see if he's gonna try, you know. I was like, I'm gone. Yeah, and so I called 911 as soon as I hopped in my car and started driving off. And um, I told like the police, I say, Hey, somebody's firing rounds in the Walgreens parking lot. You need to go check this out now. And they're like, Well, are you still there? I'm like, No, I'm not still there. Are you crazy?

SPEAKER_07 1:33:42

That's insane.

SPEAKER_11 1:33:43

Yeah, so I have been shot at once. That's it, that's the only time.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:48

For the voluntary shit, falling up into the sleep.

SPEAKER_11 1:33:51

So, like, had my biggest podcast ever, almost died, and my son had a 105 fever all in one night. It was crazy.

SPEAKER_15 1:33:57

Yeah, I'm guessing you didn't sleep well that night. I didn't sleep a lot of adrenaline.

SPEAKER_11 1:34:01

I didn't sleep at all. In fact, I didn't even talk about it for like a week after that. Like, I was like, I was still processing what had happened because I was like, did that really you wake up the next day and you're like, that did that really happen? Did I get shot at? Like what anyway, it was it was nuts.

SPEAKER_15 1:34:19

I'm glad I have never been shot at, that's for sure. As far as you know, I'm just kidding. You're like, wait a second. But I mean, if you're shot at and you don't know where you're even really shot at.

SPEAKER_11 1:34:31

If a tree falls in the woods and no one was there to get hit by it, did it really fall? Um, you know, you probably have at least a few feds that subscribe to your podcast.

SPEAKER_15 1:34:43

Uh well, I I can think of one. I have to go to his wedding in November. Bobby.

SPEAKER_11 1:34:50

Bobby.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:51

Poor Bobby.

SPEAKER_11 1:34:52

That's funny. You got everybody guessing about the ethnicity of the guy that shot at me.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:58

I'm I'm I'm just saying that it's not ahead of the realm of possibility.

SPEAKER_15 1:35:04

Well, I mean, was this inner city or was this like small town? Because it does sound like something a drunk redneck would be doing on the 4th of July.

SPEAKER_11 1:35:12

So because where I grew up in, the area that I grew up in is basically where I was at. You guys and it's it's a rural, it's a rural city, so it's like it's got both. It's got like the garbage and everything else. Who is that?

SPEAKER_15 1:35:29

I laugh because you guys can't see the the is this was that a clone trooper?

SPEAKER_02 1:35:34

No, I don't know.

SPEAKER_15 1:35:37

What what is going on right now?

SPEAKER_02 1:35:40

Hello, comrade.

SPEAKER_15 1:35:46

Oh nice. Ant's gonna wonder what the hell happened to his podcast.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:49

Well, I think I am.

SPEAKER_15 1:35:51

Well, at least it's a local stream, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:55

Can you hear me?

SPEAKER_11 1:35:56

Yes, yeah, we can hear you. Better than ocean.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:00

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_11 1:36:02

Hey, I give you full permission to clip that, Rob, if that's worth any of your time talking about it. The shooting, yeah. You're welcome to clip that. It's nuts.

SPEAKER_15 1:36:08

Hey, Taffy, you should have Ant shooting at Chris for the e-girls. For the e-girls. That that should definitely make it into one of the uh Lord of the Rings e-girl war things.

SPEAKER_11 1:36:22

I'm like standing outside the Walgreens and I look behind me and it's Anthony in a cape or something.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:28

No e-girls ever.

SPEAKER_15 1:36:29

Yeah, he pulls out the shirt and says no e-girls, or or it's or it's oh shit, like another crime, like on the other intro.

SPEAKER_11 1:36:37

Oh no, oh my goodness. That's funny. That is funny. I got so many stories of the the three years in between high school and when my wife and I got together that were just nuts. But the only really crazy one like was basically the shooting. That was crazy.

SPEAKER_15 1:36:54

Taffy wants to know how the clone trooper's audio is so good when he's literally talking through a mask.

SPEAKER_11 1:36:59

He's got a mic in his head, the helmet. Oh my god, okay, that's obvious. Like, seriously, that's so obvious. Is that regulation, sir? Is that regulation?

SPEAKER_02 1:37:10

Yeah, like this shirt.

SPEAKER_11 1:37:16

Hey, speaking of hats, check this one out. Oh, he's got another hat. No, no, no, no. This is a this is a cool hat, actually. Nice. But the worst part is is when you wear this hat, you'll get people that come up to you and try and give you a high five saying, I voted for him too. And I'm like, Did you read the hat?

AI Translations And Bits Gone Too Far

SPEAKER_11 1:37:37

No, no, no, they didn't. They did not read the hat. But I love it. It's like I'm wearing it around as I voted for him too. I'm like, what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_02 1:37:47

Why did you guys stop the Bible readings from the Hawaiian pigeon? Mostly because we're cabos.

SPEAKER_15 1:37:54

We questioned whether or not it was maybe possibly bordering on blasphemous. Is there no official Catholic pigeon by um no, not a Catholic version?

SPEAKER_02 1:38:08

What if you just do encyclicals?

SPEAKER_15 1:38:10

That you're right. We could we could do that because that's not script.

SPEAKER_11 1:38:14

Encyclicals and pigeon.

SPEAKER_15 1:38:17

Can you that exist? Can you well we can make it exist? What else is AI for?

SPEAKER_07 1:38:24

Nobody's gonna come out, you know, like provocate force.

SPEAKER_15 1:38:28

Can you imagine reading the syllabus of errors and pigeon? That'd be fun.

SPEAKER_11 1:38:32

No, you know what would be great is if you read the index of banned books in pigeon. Imagine the titles. Hold on, I gotta do something right now. Are you about to AI some pigeon?

SPEAKER_13 1:38:45

Yeah. Translate rarum novarum into Hawaiian pigeon.

SPEAKER_11 1:38:58

As long as you're not gonna use AI to translate the Pope's latest cyclical about AI. That one might be a that one might be a problem.

SPEAKER_15 1:39:10

Oh my gosh, Claude responds in pigeon. Oh, that's one big ask. It's this that's amazing. That's amazing. Okay, here's the opening. Everybody stay all jazzed up for make everything new, yeah. The kind of spirit when shake up the politics first, and now stay spilling over into the economic side, too. Get plenty new stuff happening. The industry stay growing, the way people work stay all different now. The bosses and the workers no stay tight like before. The rich guys, they get all the money like Anthony's uncle, and the regular working people they stay broke.

SPEAKER_11 1:40:00

So that is from card hole tag or you should you should translate the SSPX proclamation into print pigeon.

SPEAKER_15 1:40:07

No, no, someone one of the SSPX guys assassinate me.

SPEAKER_11 1:40:13

That's fair. That's fair. Never mind.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:16

Robert FK.

SPEAKER_11 1:40:18

Robert FK. Well, what why Robert FK? You mean JFK?

SPEAKER_02 1:40:23

No, Rob.

SPEAKER_11 1:40:26

I get J. I would get JFK'd.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:31

Adrian will investigate it for you.

SPEAKER_11 1:40:34

Hey, how is the podcast Adrian going? Are you guys you guys are still doing that, right? Uh we try to do it once a week or once every other week, yeah. How do you know Adrian? Through internet or through other other means?

SPEAKER_15 1:40:45

Uh just through this, basically. Okay. Translate the Getty Burr Gettysburg address into lion pigeon.

SPEAKER_11 1:40:54

Translate the no, do the emancipation proclamation. That makes more sense.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:00

Oh, that's what I was about.

SPEAKER_11 1:41:03

No, force card 20 years ago would be so much funnier than pigeon.

SPEAKER_15 1:41:07

Translate it into a bonic. Have ocean read it.

SPEAKER_12 1:41:14

Oh no.

SPEAKER_11 1:41:21

That might be the worst thing that could happen. At least it's local. It's locals. The only thing worse than that would be translating it to Yiddish. That'd be worse.

SPEAKER_15 1:41:32

Those guys owned the hold on, hold on. Claude. Please translate the first chapter of mine comp into Yiddish. Oh no.

SPEAKER_11 1:41:53

I'll be honest, I don't know how to read Yiddish though, guys.

SPEAKER_07 1:41:57

You get that.

SPEAKER_11 1:41:59

No, just have Claude read it aloud to you. Can't you do that?

SPEAKER_02 1:42:02

And Frank and Pigeon.

SPEAKER_15 1:42:04

And Frank. I see the shape of the joke here, and I get it. Um have been banned. Yeah, it's not gonna do it for me, guys. It's saying no.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:28

You can you can get uh like Jackie BG do some really crazy things.

SPEAKER_15 1:42:33

Yeah, I'm sure I could convince it, but uh we're yeah, the only one I use is grok.

SPEAKER_11 1:42:40

The only one I ever use is grok, honestly, just because it's free with my Twitter subscription.

SPEAKER_15 1:42:47

Yeah, I I it I mean it's not bad. Claude, uh I like Claude better for some things, but but do you use Claude for like work stuff already?

SPEAKER_11 1:42:57

So you just have good knowledge of it? No, not so he's okay. He just like Claude. I got you. Never mind. Hey, I gotta say, um, Josh Charles can talk a lot, a long time. Like he's great. He he can like roll off the tongue five minutes of stuff you didn't expect him to say.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:16

Yes, he's super smart.

SPEAKER_11 1:43:18

Yeah, he's extremely smart.

SPEAKER_15 1:43:19

He's been very you made sure he couldn't see the comments, right?

SPEAKER_11 1:43:25

No, he learned from you guys not to watch him and just let me put him on screen.

SPEAKER_15 1:43:29

And was so mad for like a week after that because he's in the comments.

SPEAKER_11 1:43:36

Like, I'm never having Joshua on again. No, Josh was awesome. I really like talking to him, he's good.

SPEAKER_15 1:43:47

He goes, You guys don't know how difficult it is to get AI to do Jew-related tasks.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:54

Yeah, it's just true.

SPEAKER_11 1:43:56

EMJ was right, guys. They really do control the internet. All right, hey, question for you, Rob. Um have you guys so I know Anthony's made the joke that he can't seem to get Scott Han on, but have you guys ever actually reached out to him? Um, I think Ant sent a couple emails.

SPEAKER_15 1:44:16

Okay, um, and then I think Ant sent a message on Twitter to one of his sons. It was David because I connected them.

SPEAKER_11 1:44:26

Yeah, that's right. But never got anywhere with it, never got anywhere with it. I'm surprised that that would be the case. I think um Josh said he's even meeting with him like in a month or so or something.

SPEAKER_15 1:44:39

So Josh is meeting with him, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:44:41

Yeah, him and I guess I guess Josh and him are buds.

SPEAKER_15 1:44:44

Well, Anthony is gonna try to um introduce himself to Scott. We I mean we did that, we did that for Matt Frad's stupid cigar bar.

SPEAKER_11 1:44:59

He just goes down there with like this crazy Italian look in his face. Dr. Scott Hahn, I'm Anthony Abate. And he's like, Who are you?

SPEAKER_03 1:45:06

I'm a big fan of yours.

SPEAKER_11 1:45:07

I'm a big fan of yours.

SPEAKER_15 1:45:09

You you tell me everything I know about being anti-Semitic.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:15

Danielle's mysterious series.

SPEAKER_15 1:45:17

Uh I can so see him just doing that too. Doesn't come out in the first 10 words Anthony says to the guy.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:25

That that was low key a great series, yeah. It might have been the best one.

SPEAKER_15 1:45:28

Thank you. It was uh yeah, it ended up better than I thought it was gonna be because I'm like, what is this? Because I think that was still in our first year or so. Like, what is Anthony going on about? He was enthusiastic. He he is always enthusiastic.

SPEAKER_11 1:45:48

I'm still hoping that uh I'm gonna try to reach out to Dr. Scott Hine later this year. I'm hoping he'll do an interview with me. If I promise I'll sit down with him. I'm reading several of his books right now. Yeah, I'm gonna go down to Suddenville if I'm gonna do that. I'll just do it in person.

SPEAKER_15 1:46:01

Yeah, we are 46 minutes later than I thought we were gonna be, guys.

SPEAKER_11 1:46:10

Sorry, it's my fault, guys.

SPEAKER_15 1:46:11

No, it's okay. Mad Dog Ocean, did you guys have anything you wanted to uh to ask or say or anything before we uh are done here?

SPEAKER_11 1:46:24

Come on, you're not even gonna rib me about e-girls or something?

SPEAKER_02 1:46:28

I don't know who you are.

SPEAKER_12 1:46:30

That's even better.

SPEAKER_11 1:46:38

I don't even know. We don't know who you are either, clone trooper.

unknown 1:46:42

No.

Monetization Tactics And Closing Wrap

SPEAKER_11 1:46:46

Oh man. Well, I'm four subs away from 700, so uh, we're getting there.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:51

Oh, we're almost gonna beat that Latin Slavs.

SPEAKER_11 1:46:54

Yeah, we're almost beating Latin Slavs.

SPEAKER_15 1:46:56

Getting getting there, they just changed monetization standards.

SPEAKER_11 1:46:59

I know they did. They can't they change it every time I get although I've got 2,000 subscribers on my other podcast, so it's not like it's the first time I've hit monetization. Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's uh we're I'll hit the 4,000 watch hours here real quick because um I got like a thousand out of e Michael Jones, it won't be hard once I get my thousand.

SPEAKER_15 1:47:22

Yeah, well, like you said though, they're changing it to 8,000 watch hours.

SPEAKER_11 1:47:27

Oh, I'll hit that, no problem.

SPEAKER_15 1:47:29

Yeah, it it once you yeah, the watch hours actually becomes really easy eventually.

SPEAKER_11 1:47:34

If you have a thousand subscribers and three-hour podcasts weekly, you hit that no problem. Yeah, I I would even double up my podcast for two weeks if I had to just to get there, but just do the watch hours out there, just get the watch hours, yeah. Yeah, the co-streaming with Josh messed me up a little bit because uh more of his viewers tuned into the one on his instead of on mine. Yeah, every time they did end up subscribing, they did end up subscribing.

SPEAKER_15 1:47:58

So there's that every time we do a show with them, he wants to do that. Um I try to tell him like Josh, if we're gonna do that, let's just do the show on your if you want the views, we'll just do it on yours. You'll get more views. Like, splitting up the viewers doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_11 1:48:12

It works for me because he's got way more subscribers, so like more people will be introduced to my content. But when it's you guys and he's got like 30,000, you got a hundred thousand. It's it's really not gonna help either of you guys to get channels. Yeah, congratulations. I haven't talked to you guys since he had a hundred thousand.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:30

We I mean you wouldn't think from the views.

SPEAKER_11 1:48:36

Well, you wouldn't think Shapiro's got five million subscribers either, based on his views, plus seven thousand.

SPEAKER_15 1:48:43

You come in here in a cloture helmet and just tear us apart.

SPEAKER_11 1:48:47

I love it. Yells at me because I don't even know who you are. I can't believe you have a hundred thousand subscribers. Are you botting or something?

SPEAKER_15 1:48:56

I mean complete transparency. We definitely did use Google AdSense to get a lot of those subscribers.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:03

Yeah, I can tell I'm watching an episode all of you just you know it's interrupted by demand.

SPEAKER_15 1:49:08

No, no, no. What I mean is we uh so like we'll say we have a video that does well uh naturally for like a day. We'll put say like a hundred dollars, we'll pay a hundred dollars to push that video harder, right? To put it in ads on YouTube itself. Um we've done yeah, so that's we got a lot of subscribers doing that.

SPEAKER_11 1:49:34

That that's a legitimate way to grow, though.

SPEAKER_15 1:49:36

That's not like botting, no, it because it it is it is real people on YouTube who are watching right, right?

SPEAKER_11 1:49:43

Other videos. Usually, if you're doing it well, you target specific videos that will be like videos that would send them to your video, right?

SPEAKER_15 1:49:50

Yeah, but what what happens is when we have a when we have a really good clip that, like I said, we we only do it on videos that are already doing well. Because otherwise you're wasting money, but we'll have a good five-minute clip on uh on a subject, and we'll get a to you, you know, we'll get a ton of subscribers, and then they start watching all of our normal stuff, and it's like, oh, I don't like these two guys at all. And once we once we hit a hundred thousand, we stopped doing it because we're like at that point we just wanted to get the we wanted the milestone more than anything. So like over the last month or two, when all those people have been figuring out they don't actually like us, we've lost like a thousand subscribers.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:35

Oh you could put them on you could put them on Instagram and put like hashtag griper or something.

SPEAKER_15 1:50:41

The the the clips you mean, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 1:50:44

Yeah, hashtag griper immediately get like thousand subscribers on Instagram.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:49

The whole audio company, the whole tribe.

SPEAKER_11 1:50:52

That's funny. Yeah, we need to do more on there.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:56

Wait, you're Italian?

SPEAKER_11 1:50:58

Uh you're Italian. Are you sure? Oh my goodness, not sure about it. Okay, guys. I think that's Rob, I do want to get you back on to do another history dive on the podcast. Once I figure out where I want to target, we gotta do it.

SPEAKER_15 1:51:13

Yeah, let me know uh what subjects you are thinking of, and we'll figure one good one out.

SPEAKER_11 1:51:17

Ferdinand Magellan. Why? Because I think he's awesome. I think he's fine. You don't know what you're doing. The first one that came to my mind.

SPEAKER_15 1:51:28

How about how about uh um Metternich?

SPEAKER_11 1:51:32

Sure, I'll look him up.

SPEAKER_15 1:51:34

Uh I forget his first four or five names.

SPEAKER_11 1:51:37

Uh four or five names.

SPEAKER_15 1:51:39

Well, he's an all he's an all he's an Austrian count under the Habsburg. He's got like five, six names. Charles Leopold something, von Metternich, or something like that.

SPEAKER_11 1:51:50

I'll look him up. Okay, I feel like that name rings the bell, but I'll look him up. Okay, thanks for thanks for inviting us on.

SPEAKER_15 1:51:57

Yeah, thanks for coming on, mad dog ocean. Thank you, Chris. Uh Matt, T uh, Brock. You guys came on earlier. Thanks, you guys. And uh and uh I don't know what we're doing next week. I don't know, we'll see. But uh Anthony will have stories for us. I know that.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:16

So he comes back on and checks his phone to get back on the stream. What was that, Ocean? Imagine like checks his phone to get back on the stream.

SPEAKER_11 1:52:28

Yeah, yeah. Rob ends the stream and Anthony gets back on somehow. Drunk streaming.

SPEAKER_15 1:52:34

He he he uh he butt dials Dream Yard somehow, and it just records him drunkenly talking to his brother and cousin. That would be amazing, actually.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:54

He gets on and he calls you while you're asleep, like, hey, where are you?

SPEAKER_15 1:52:59

He he yeah, he he calls it the worst times, guys. He really does. Be glad he doesn't have your phone number.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:05

What time is it where you are?

SPEAKER_15 1:53:07

He does have mine, actually. You know, he's never calling you, Chris. No, I know he's not. I know he's not, but he does have mine. It's almost 10 p.m. here.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:15

Yeah, it is 10 57. It's like a modern call.

SPEAKER_11 1:53:19

Somebody says that he's sleeping now. Do you have like a direct window to his bedroom or something?

SPEAKER_02 1:53:28

Is there like a live stream from his house from his address that he basically gave out yesterday uh Tuesday?

SPEAKER_11 1:53:33

I don't know. Let's go to Google Maps. We all know where it is. Anthony does it does a sleeping ASMR stream now or something.

SPEAKER_15 1:53:40

He he puts a photo on with street names. It's like Ant, people can just Google cross streets.

SPEAKER_11 1:53:46

Are you ready?

SPEAKER_02 1:53:47

I looked it up and I found it.

SPEAKER_11 1:53:51

Well, you're a clone trooper, so that makes sense. Okay, okay, we're really done now, guys.

SPEAKER_15 1:53:57

We're done. Okay, have a good night, everyone.