E. Michael Jones Predicted This | Cooper on Tucker

A neighborhood isn’t just a place to sleep. It’s a memory machine, a network of elders, a parish rhythm, and a shared story that tells your kids who they are. When that breaks, everything else gets easier to break too.

We start with a clip-driven conversation that spirals into a bigger question: how do narratives and propaganda reshape what a nation believes it is? Using the Darryl Cooper conversation as a jumping-off point, we talk about “myth” not as fantasy, but as the framing stories that decide what you’re allowed to say, what you’re allowed to defend, and what you’re trained to fear. From there we connect identity to faith, especially the Catholic instinct to see ourselves in a long historical line of saints, martyrs, and Christendom.

Then we get concrete about urban planning and social engineering. We discuss how suburbanization and mid-century “renewal” projects, including the Robert Moses era in New York, fractured ethnic Catholic neighborhoods and dispersed parish communities into isolated households. Once people are cut off from community, mass media and institutional pressure work far better. We also wrestle with the internet as a double-edged sword: it can reveal truth and help believers find each other, but it can also turn Christianity into content instead of lived community.

We close by talking about fear and preparedness: why “collapse” may look less like a movie and more like financial leverage, digital currency, and normalized control. Along the way we touch on civil conflict, division, martyrdom, and a listener question on millennials going no contact with parents, including the difference between boundaries and unnecessary rupture. If this conversation hits home, subscribe, share it with a friend, and leave a review so more people can find the show.

Transcript

Cold Open And Wedding Clip

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Ladies and gentlemen, ladies to present the newly married couple, Mr. Ministers Brendan Kr.

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Brendan K and his wife, Regina. Hello.

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Oh my Lord.

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I told Taffy, these are the ones that are that are his best.

SPEAKER_05 1:00

Those are yeah, they're subtle. Just subtle, you know. That poor dude. Oh my goodness. I I actually sent that clip to the chat thinking we would talk about it. I had no idea Taffy put it in the intro.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I guess we have to talk about it though. Uh, a lot of people saying their marriage is done in one year, this marriage is cooked, but I don't think so, man. I think I think that guy is going to grin and bear it for 30 plus years. He's gonna be in it for the long haul. He's gonna be told by everyone around him that a Christ, a Christ-like figure lays down his life for his wife, and he he suffers for his family, and he is going to deal with that tyrant for 30 plus years.

SPEAKER_04 1:48

I mean, uh gosh that's basically never mind. No, we don't want to start things with him again. Nope. Not gonna do it.

SPEAKER_05 1:55

I don't even know what you're talking about, but okay.

Vacation Teasers And Private Stories

SPEAKER_05 1:58

Um uh yeah, so I was away last week. There's so much has happened. Uh I my last show with you guys was the day two days before my daughter's Sweet 16. I have many Sweet 16 stories to tell, but I can't tell them on this side. I almost had a fist fight with my neighbor. The cops came.

SPEAKER_04 2:18

Uh can't tell the stories on this side, and then immediately proceeds to start to tell the story.

SPEAKER_05 2:24

Well, I'm giving hints at what we're what we'll be talking about on the other side tonight. Um some hints I can't even give over here because they're too personal. I have to be super, super careful. But we're gonna we're gonna actually be talking about the reason I sent that clip to the chat is because it leads into some of the things I want to talk about on the other side that I experienced this this vacation that I had. Um, so that's what what was the intro, Molly wants to know you gotta go back. Go back. You gotta go back and watch it.

SPEAKER_04 2:58

You should know you don't miss anything in the first 45 minutes of this show, anyways.

Darryl Cooper, Tucker, And Credit

SPEAKER_05 3:02

The uh so the the show topic tonight, though, um Rob had texted me my first day going on vacation. He's like, Oh, you should check out the Darrell Cooper. A week ago, but yeah, it was a week ago, but I I didn't get to listen to it until my way home on Saturday. But there was just some things in it that struck me that I thought we should talk about. I only cut up two short clips, so like one's three minutes, one's a minute and a half, but um, I thought it could lead to a good discussion. I figured we'd do the majority of our show over on locals tonight, but uh we'll we'll give a good 40 minutes over here. But there's just too many personal things that we're gonna talk about tonight. I gotta find out what you were up to while I was gone. But uh yeah, the Darryl.

SPEAKER_04 3:44

I didn't get into any fist fight, so no, your your stories are never like mine.

SPEAKER_05 3:47

Mine are always I'm not Italian enough to have screws on George. Um, yeah, the the Darryl Cooper interview, I I I thought a lot of it was boring, I'll be honest. But yeah, there was maybe like 20 good minutes. 20 good minutes of it where they there's also this the reason we have E. Michael Jones in the title and thumbnail is because there's this whole falling out between him, E. Michael Jones, and Darryl Cooper, because Daryl Cooper was quoting from E. Michael Jones's work on the slaughter of cities when talking to Tucker, and he didn't he didn't give credit to E. Michael Jones, he kind of just threw it in there as if it was, you know, this I mean to be fair, that's that's what he does, that's what his whole podcast is.

SPEAKER_04 4:35

Yeah, right? He would read a ton of work, like 20 books, and then condenses it into yeah, and he doesn't credit every author of every book.

SPEAKER_05 4:44

I've got quotes when he's reading quotes, he does. But the the premise of Slaughter of Cities is about um social engineering and how they broke up cities very intentionally to break up Catholic communities specifically, like so. I mean, I we talked about this probably a year or two ago, but um, there's this PBS documentary on New York that goes through you have no idea, guys. You have no idea. Wait till you hear the stories. Um so this uh uh this this documentary on New York goes through like New York from like the 1600s when the the Dutch settled it, and it goes all the way through to 9-11. And but when they get to this period in the 50s when Robert Moses comes in once the automobile is invented, and he just destroys like he just destroys the fabric of every like Italian and Irish Catholic community in New York. Now, the thing is this happens throughout the country, though. It doesn't just happen in New York, it's just that's the one I'm familiar with because Robert Moses puts the cross-bronket cross-bronx expressway right through a beautiful Italian neighborhood through basically Little Italy in the Bronx and just banishes these people. So these people wind up moving out to the suburbs and it displaces us. We'll go through the clips. Play uh, I put the clips, the three-minute clip is the first one, the shorter one is

Sponsor Reads And Photo Challenges

SPEAKER_05 6:17

the second one. We're gonna play.

SPEAKER_04 6:18

You want to get into that or do you want to do ad reads first?

SPEAKER_05 6:21

Um, well, oh man, I should have had an ad read ready. I mean, you've been watching Tim Dylan's ad reads. You ever see any of them?

SPEAKER_04 6:29

I don't know who Tim Dylan is.

SPEAKER_05 6:31

Oh my gosh, you live in a freaking you you're like a mushroom. You're just kept in the dark on everything. Tim Dylan's a comedian from Long Island.

SPEAKER_04 6:39

He's like, uh Why would I know who a comedian from Long Island is?

SPEAKER_05 6:42

He's like he's uh everywhere. I don't know. But he his ad reads are pretty freaking funny. I was kind of like, I'm like, man, I I think some of our ad reads are funny, but Tim Dylan's got some funny ad reads. Some of them are pretty good. So I'm gonna have to up my game and I'm gonna have to start like thinking of some better stuff to do. But uh, do we have any knickknack success stories? I feel like we do. I feel like we had one, and I hang on, I think we got one. Hang on, pretty sure. Hang on. Bear with me.

SPEAKER_04 7:10

Well, I can tell you the groom in the opening video should have had knick knacks, it would have saved them a lot of trouble.

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We should send that man some knick-knack. Uh hold on, let's see. I think I I think I tweeted one out. Uh um, well, you know what? Until then, until I can find a good one. Well, we will remind everybody that the first person who gets a box of knick-knacks in the hands of Pope Leo. So the people are always throwing Pope Leo plushies. If anybody goes to Rome, I'm offering a thousand dollar prize to the first person who gets a pack of knick-knacks tossed to the Pope, and we get a picture of it. So that's our comment contest. Uh, go to knick knack.com, use code AB25% for 25% off your first purchase, use code AB10 for 10% off every subsequent purchase. Who else can we who else do we want a picture of Knickknacks with? When we can offer a prize for, I mean, the pro the grand prize is the Pope with Knickknacks. That that's a thousand dollar prize. We could offer $100 prizes, but like if you get a picture of the phrase.

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I'd say $500 if someone could get Tucker Carlson in a photo with Knickknacks. That'll never happen.

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He's the Alp guy. I know. That's why the beef between Knickknacks and Alps is kind of funny. They're actually going at it with each other. That's pretty funny. Um, yeah, no, but all right. So if you could get it's gotta be uh if it's a bishop who's kind of got a a well-known profile, if you could get or James Martin, if you get James Martin with Nick Knacks, they'll turn him straight. So that is actually a $500 bonus. You could say that about 80% of bishops, though. Maybe, but you know, all right. So $500 prize for James Martin, thousand dollar prize for the Pope. Go to knicknack.com, use code AB25% for 25% off your first purchase, AB 10 for 10 or subscribe.

SPEAKER_04 9:00

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SPEAKER_05 9:09

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I think so, but even if they don't, I don't care, it'll be well worth it. The amount of promotion we'll get out of it'll be hilarious.

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And plus, it's uh it's a great tool for evangelization because people are always asking, what the heck is that thing? Uh yeah. Free month of locals. All right, so let's get to the clip. Let's jump into it.

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Okay, let me get that ready here.

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Myth, Identity, And Historical Memory

SPEAKER_04 11:21

You want the three-minute one to start with, right?

SPEAKER_02 11:25

That they violate all of these all of these landmines that have been planted in our heads since earliest education, you know, of again to go back to what purpose is the myth serving, if you want to do something about the fact that your people, uh, and I'll and I'll speak about like European countries, because we have a little bit different situation here in America, but you know, if you go to Ireland or someplace like that, that these are a real people. This is a people who have existed for thousands of years as a as a bloodline, as a nation, um, and they're about to lose their homeland permanently. That if you oppose that and want to take measures to correct it, well, you're a Nazi. You're Adolf Hitler. And that's the myth that that's the purpose that that myth serves now, along with, of course, like uh legitimizing uh the American Zionist empire around the around the world, things like that. There's geostrategic and other other purposes it serves, but on individual psychological level, and uh as far as our own domestic policy and societies, it's so powerful that it has convinced people to do what by any measure is really the the craziest thing that any people could do, which is to give up its homeland forever without a fight, and to allow their daughters to be raped.

SPEAKER_05 12:41

So, like the lie that we can pause it there and we can talk a little bit about that. Like the even when we're talking about with the Irish, right? Like, um like the part of the reason I'm going to Italy this year is because I don't know how many times that opportunity will be left. Like, there's something so devastating about like the it's so bittersweet when you go to a place like Italy, and especially when you're visiting the Vatican and you're visiting all these Catholic um pilgrimage sites, and uh because you're seeing like the shell of what formerly Christendom built, right? And and there's something so sad about all these non-Catholics just using it. It's like this secular museum at this point.

SPEAKER_04 13:29

Well, like uh there was a a video that hit Twitter yesterday that someone took of uh a visitor to the Vatican uh um praying to Mecca right there in in St. Peter's Basilica.

SPEAKER_05 13:41

It's like it's just so disheartening when you go. It it it's there's two emotions you get. One is like awe at what what our like what our ancestors built, which is it's so different for uh like for us as Catholics than it is for um for like somebody who's secular and just you know this idea of the melting pot. Like, what what does that even mean, melting pot? Why do you even say that? What does that mean? Does that mean all these cultures just kind of melt down into one blob, like a fondue or something? Like, what does that even mean? It doesn't really have any real meaning other than to make you think that that's a good thing.

SPEAKER_04 14:24

It's it's to get you to forget it, it it's it's how you hide an anti-culture that exists only to tear other cultures apart, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 14:35

That's what modern secular America is to rip apart your tr your traditions and all the things that made you a people, right? And it's I think when we're gonna get to the clip where they talk about the destruction of cities, and I think the reason, even when you to think about the the remember when the FBI was infiltrating the SSPX parishes and they were going to traditional Latin mass parishes, I think most of it was diocesan parishes, but yeah, yeah, like that, but but the FBI was still going to them, right? It's because there's something about a Catholic who takes his faith seriously that he does see his himself in a historical context, like you see yourself as a historical people because you're looking back, especially dude, especially for guys like uh like me, because I don't know anybody beyond my great-grandfather. So for me, the saints are are my history, that is the historical context in which I put myself. So when we're going through the the history of Christendom, and when we're learning about how the Christian faith conquers the pagan religions, like that is my story. That's the that's the grand story that my people are a part of. So when you're in one of those traditional Catholic parishes, you start to see yourself as a historical people, and that makes you dangerous because you want to preserve your inheritance. I think that's like that's part of part of why the whole secularization push came. That's why they there's so much.

SPEAKER_04 16:07

I mean, look speaking of of your own people, look at um modern Italy, right? Like we've gone, we've talked about the creation of Italy, you know, a couple different times on the channel, and how it was this this push by by secular masons basically to unite Italy and and destroy all the peoples that Italy now contains.

SPEAKER_05 16:30

Like, like the you know, so the the language Sicilian spoke literally was almost completely different than than the what the the people the dialect if you if you if you even talk to guys that work at my company that came over in like the 1930s, 1940s, those guys they have kids when they came over, they have a totally different dialect than the guys from like that are like when I go to Italy, those guys, the Sicilians that I work with, don't they won't understand the people in like Maine, you know, in Rome.

SPEAKER_04 17:00

Because Italian, because what we call Italian really is the dialect from from Piedmont, you know, 150 years ago. That's that's what it is. It's not there was no Italian language, really. Yeah, yeah. Bopity boopity.

SPEAKER_05 17:16

Um uh what was I gonna say? Dude, it's kind of interesting. Like every single thing we've talked about on this show, though, like going to uh uh evolution and like every one of these topics, like the point is to make you think you are descended from a monkey, you live on a on a speck of dust floating out in the middle of nowhere, you don't need like your your life means nothing, like all of that is meant to unhinge you from your his being a historical people, is really really like the purpose of all that. Like if the if the traditional Catholic movement is anything, it's it's preserving the tradition for this purpose is to make us remember we're historical people. It's kind of why I get a little bit worried about like um how insular trads can get from each other, even right? Like this, like the sedes I get really freaking annoyed at because they are they are breaking themselves off from communion with even traditional Catholics, and it's like the part of the purpose of religion is to unite, right? Like when you go when we when we went through even the um when we went through the Danielic mystery, when you're when you're reading through the book of Ephesians, like the whole purpose is to gather like the mystery of Christ is that all things will be gathered into him, and like we are to be gathered into him. And if we start breaking off into splinter groups and fighting with one another, we become like a band of misfits disassociated from one another in fighting, and and there's no united front to push back on any of this stuff. It's like a real problem within traditional Catholicism that I see.

SPEAKER_04 19:02

Um I've never met a sede that really had like a good grasp of history, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, or or or or anything like that. They're so concentrated on the last 80 years that that yeah, they they're incapable of seeing themselves as something larger, yeah, it's so individualistic.

SPEAKER_05 19:23

That is kind of interesting, yeah. Like that to for them, history began at the council, yeah. Like history begins at the council for them, you know, or or that Vatican I maybe maybe Trent at the absolute earliest, but yeah, it's yeah, it's I'm I'm telling you, man, like seeing seeing uh um, but I really do think that's why the FBI was infiltrating those traditional parishes, is because they were worried that like they they want to get inside those and find out what they're talking about.

SPEAKER_03 19:53

So play play the rest of the clip because he talks about that a little bit and Americans believe is that all this is about love and tolerance, but your daughter's getting raped. That's not love.

SPEAKER_04 20:06

Uh by the way, for anyone who didn't watch the interview, when they're talking about uh the narrative or story or myth, they're talking specifically about the the myth of World War II. Not not like not necessarily in a sense that certain things didn't happen, but the the the overall narrative basically the narrative that came after the war.

SPEAKER_05 20:29

Dude, so the we have yeah, because like this episode, like what we're gonna end up talking about is is the Jews again. Like we have to you can't not you can't separate us understanding us ourselves as a historical people and them understanding themselves as a historical people. Like everything we've been talking about this on this show kind of fell into the into the paradigm of this episode, which is why I wanted to discuss it, you know.

SPEAKER_04 20:55

So uh let's yeah, let's play everything we talked about on what show, like the channel.

SPEAKER_05 20:58

On our channel, like on our channel, like it really is the culmination of all of the episodes that we did that had any kind of like real substance to them, are like this conversation goes right along with them.

SPEAKER_04 21:11

Yeah, uh, I think it was kind of crazy, and I hate to attribute it to you too much because of your um because you tend to call like call calling the channel avoiding Babylon, like like you said, all of our really substantive uh conversations end up being about like the the building of the city of man, the building of a new Babylon, right?

SPEAKER_05 21:38

Like it really and they really do, whether it's this subject or evolution or or it's it's dude, it really even just the way that like the channel name came about had to do with like listening to like the the story in Daniel about the the like Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon, you know, and it was like I saw in the apocalypse the return of Babylon, and I'm like Yeah, we kind of got to avoid that. That's where the channel name came from. It's but and then all of the we've got a million conversations on this channel. A lot of them are just whatever dribble. But we have had some really substantive ones that substantive, whatever. I don't know. You always get mad at me when I pronounce that wrong.

SPEAKER_04 22:16

But uh I think you actually pronounced it more right than I did, to be honest.

SPEAKER_05 22:20

Okay, like they're they're substantial. I don't know. That's like the the ones of substance, yeah, always were kind of geared toward this this the story, the grand story of Christianity, its arc through history, the battle against it from secular and from the secular powers and the Jews, right? And all of the things on evolution or the moon landing or the uh like all of these real conversations we've had have to do with this grand narrative and its culmination and where we're where we're headed. And I I kind of want to put some some caveats in some of my my past predictions too. I don't know. We'll see. Let's we'll see.

SPEAKER_04 23:04

Hedging bets. I see.

SPEAKER_05 23:06

Not hedging bets. Like thinking about how this thing plays out. Because I actually watched a um an Elliott Hulse video today that was really good. Who? Um we'll get we'll get into it. Let's let's play the rest of this and then I'll get into that.

SPEAKER_03 23:20

That's the ultimate act of violence, and yet that's that's the result of it.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:26

Literally the result.

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Sure.

Cities Broken Up On Purpose

SPEAKER_02 23:28

And you and again to go back to the internal migrations in the 20th century after the second world war, like in the United States, and the way that the internal migrations were used to break up these traditional Catholic parish communities and city after city after city around the country, and done so. I mean, we know this from from documentation, you know, that uh that these this was something that they knew what they were doing.

SPEAKER_04 23:53

They knew that this is the part from EMJ.

SPEAKER_05 23:57

This yeah, so this is he's getting this directly from Slaughter of Cities. Okay, that's EMJ's book about uh it's about the um uh social engineering. Yeah, how they how they socially engineered us to go back to go like the the the post-war narrative begins well before the war and the push for secularization, especially in America. Like, even look at the encyclical theories we're going through, right? It's back in the 1800s, they're talking about these ideas, right? But they get they get something of substance to deliver these things. It's why, dude, it's it goes to the goes to the council, everything. Like this all of this has to do with why the church changed everything, all of it. It's CIA infiltration into the Vatican, into the council, everything.

SPEAKER_02 24:49

Yep. They were breaking up these communities that they saw as pools of like insularity, these black boxes that the system itself couldn't really see into and didn't exactly know it was.

SPEAKER_03 24:59

So Robert Moses wasn't just a highway designer, is that what you're saying?

SPEAKER_02 25:03

No, no. But this was a but this was a national push. I mean, this didn't just happen in New York City, you know, it happened everywhere. And um, and when you realize when you you that when you when you start to see that, and then you start to see what's going on in Europe and now in the United States as well, and you recognize that these are weapons that are being wielded against us. They're not something that um it's not happenstance, it's not something that's being done um because, you know, uh the labor markets demand it. The labor markets demand it, or because the market. Yeah, or because we've just sort of um, you know, there were there were certain Cold War strategic imperatives that uh led to the to the prop promulgation of certain propaganda that maybe made some sense at the time that it's just outlived its usefulness and is sort of going along on its own uh on its own power at this point, that this is some this is a weapon that's being used against these countries on purpose.

SPEAKER_05 26:00

Um because I mean, you know, there's a there's a great little book by the French what it makes you really think about is how every single thing has been like fake BS propaganda, like everything from the civil rights movement, like everything was just fake BS to get us to where we are now, like to get us to completely let our guard down.

SPEAKER_04 26:30

Makes you wonder if communism as a whole wasn't a project simply to get us to uh you know except a lighter form of it.

SPEAKER_05 26:40

Yeah, exactly, right? It's like, oh, communism's bad, but what like what we're doing is good. It's like we're it is communism in in effect, anyway. It's just all of it, man, like to to just get us to not see ourselves as a historical people anymore with a homeland worth saving. I I really wonder what happens with this because, dude, all right.

Beaches, Immigration, And Assimilation

SPEAKER_05 27:06

I went to Block Island, right? And Block Island is like this unbelievably wealthy vacation spot for like America's wealthiest of the wealthy, you know. So we go there and we're on the beach, and it's like like my uncle rented a cabana for us, and it is just a sea of white people. Like it's all you see, okay? It's just a sea of white people. They're playing country music, they're like everybody's getting along. There's no fights, there's no riff-raff. I come home, and Sunday was 90 plus degrees, and we're like, it's so freaking hot. Let's just go to the beach just to cool off a little. Me and my wife, we don't have a pool. We go there, and it is just a sea of brown at the Long Island Beach now. And I'm like a match, I'm just saying, and they got their rap music playing, and there's Spanish music playing, and I'm just like, Nicole, I can't. We gotta go. Like, I saw firsthand what they took from us in two days. Like, if you oh man, it was just such a wild experience to just go from from the stark contrast between there and the Long Island beach. I was just like, we had we went to a crappy one just because we were like, we just wanted to like drive a short distance and just go to like yeah, you know, whatever beach we could. There are still some really, really nice beaches on Long Island, but and one of the best parts of having a boat on Long Island is you could go find private beaches where there's nobody.

SPEAKER_04 28:35

But um, yeah, it's just they yeah, yeah, that's what I was thinking too. I didn't complain about the country music.

SPEAKER_05 28:49

It's awful, it's awful, but it's still better than like being being in a place where they're playing hip hop and like you know, salsa music or something. Like, it's just definitely better than that.

SPEAKER_04 29:02

But um I mean it everything you said is is why I live where I live. You know what I mean? Like, we moved four hours away from from where we grew up to be up where we are now, and but that's social engineering, Rob.

SPEAKER_05 29:16

Well, I I'm like you're a victim of it because you felt no choice, you felt you had no choice, right? Like you felt you had no choice, but uh look, and this is part of the discussion I wanted to talk about because so many of us are like, damn, we gotta move out to the middle of nowhere, man.

SPEAKER_04 29:30

But but it it's also but like in some way it's social engineering, but the op like the opposite direction was social, like uh like the town we're with the town we live in now is half the size it was in 1970, right? And it's probably gonna be half the size it is now in 10 to 15 years when the boomers go, you know, and it's because all the people that lived here moved to the cities because that's where the jobs were, that's where you know that's that yeah, all that stuff.

SPEAKER_05 30:04

There's no more farming, there's no more, yeah. It's like everybody's gotta go where the jobs are. The only people that can live by you is those who can work remote or if those they work for a small business in the area, yeah, things like that. But it is still like Rob, you gotta drive two hours to mass.

SPEAKER_04 30:19

Well, to to a TLM, sure, yeah, but like if if the church was alright, I would that wouldn't, you know, the our local mass here is five minutes away, but it's like yeah, we have to drive an hour to go to Walmart or Target, yeah, you know, and buy things at lower prices. But you know, we can go to the stores here and spend money with local families.

SPEAKER_05 30:48

Do you have a community where you live? Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:52

You do like and you know them and you guys well, I hope and I are introverts, so we need to be better at that. But the area where we live, yeah, like you know, the the the town I live in still has a you know an annual festival every year where everyone gets together and and stuff like that. And like just this last weekend we were at the the local Coney fair, and yeah, you know, they were doing lover.

SPEAKER_05 31:15

Look, it's a mix of things, right? Technology just changes things, right? The automobile changed changed everything, right? Like you used to if like if we worked in the city, you used to have to live within commuting distance of the city on the train or you know, whatever public transportation provided. Once the automobile is invented, um like I drive an hour in the morning and two hours on the way home from work. It's like you just you're doing everything you can to move away from the riffraff in the city because of what they did to the cities. They destroyed the cities by like that they had the migration of the blacks from the south to bring up and they and like they did it on purpose to break areas up just to destroy these communities because they didn't want people seeing themselves as a people within the United States, they wanted it to be this nebulous blob that melted in in the American system. And what I'm wondering is, do we now, because of the influx of immigrants over the past 15, 20 years, like it is it was at such an astronomically high rate. It's like when you go to immigration of the past, it was it trickled in in like ebbs and flows. It would be like there would be high high periods, and then they would kind of close close the borders and they would cut it off, give people time to assimilate. And even if like you were in an Italian ghetto, you still like those people became patriotic Americans, even if they were Italian or Irish or English or German, they became patriotic Americans, they loved the country they were in, they made English, largely uh, you know, I don't know what percentage, but 30, 40, 50 percent shared culture with the other cultures that were here.

SPEAKER_04 32:54

Yeah, you know, that they came out of Christendom together.

SPEAKER_05 32:57

Yeah, yeah. So it's like but the influx that's come over in the past 20 uh say even say say say 25 years, right? That it came in so fast, and they're from such alien places, like really and there's no there's no incentive for them to to um to assimilate to assimilate, yeah. So now I'm wondering, like, are we going to form a new culture with this blob and let it and like are we going to now become a people, or is that impossible? It's impossible. There we're just two different. It's like everything we've been talking about for the past.

SPEAKER_04 33:43

There's nothing to unite us, nothing, right? You know, as if we as we've talked before, you know, you need a shared cultist to to create a culture.

SPEAKER_05 33:53

That's again getting to another topic we talked about on this show. Like, how many times we said during like when the when the elections were coming up, the narrative was the democrats are letting these illegals come in because they want them to vote. No, it was never about voting, it's about destroying any sense of unity you have in this cut in this in this country. Like the whole purpose was to break down any uh any sense of being American. Like you, dude, you think back, and we've we've we've talked about this too. Like, you think back to even when 9-11 happened, like we felt like a people who were attacked.

SPEAKER_04 34:30

Yeah, everyone, even those who didn't like country got behind uh uh um Toby Keith and uh Lee.

SPEAKER_05 34:39

I mean, I had I had liberals buying American flags for me after 9-11. That's all I know. It's like this is there was some there was still a sense of being American back then, and I don't know, man. It just like I don't know if like the the immigrants that have come in the next two generations that go by, are their kids going to become American kids or are there are they gonna be so insulated in these ghettos that they basically come into? Are they going to retain their identity? And they like because I don't know if that's better or worse. Like, I don't know if I want them to assimilate.

SPEAKER_04 35:22

I don't, yeah, it it's tough.

SPEAKER_05 35:25

Um because there's like do you really want the the Somali community in Minnesota leaving that area and assimilate? It's like no, keep them in that one area, don't let them leave. Let them have their Sharia law in that one area, like just but they they do not want to.

SPEAKER_04 35:40

No, there won't be they will not assimilate. No, no, the Somalis won't. None of them, none of the Mohammedans will. The the the the Indians will only assimilate while it's advantageous to, and then they'll still oh none of these cult like these cultures value things so differently than us that there can be no uh no shared common good with them, no, right? Because because they they don't even believe in the common good, yeah. They have they they take pride in doing whatever is necessary to to uh aggrandize themselves and themselves only, yeah. So no, we can't share a common good with them, they can only harm the common good, they they have to go, they just have to go. It's that's it's it's not simple how it gets done, but the solution is.

SPEAKER_05 36:31

I

Prepping Fears Versus Slow Control

SPEAKER_05 36:32

don't I just don't know what happens, man. Like, um, the Elliott Hose video I watched today, he was talking about how um during COVID he went and he bought a ranch and he became a prepper. And he's like, he's like, I freaking like I his mind was just in collapse is coming. Like, that's where he just felt like collapse was coming. It's gonna be financial collapse. There's gonna be he's like, I went out, he's like, as soon as I bought the ranch, I spent like six thousand dollars on an orchard. I put all these fruit trees in. He goes, that next winter, we got like the deepest freeze we've ever gotten in Central Florida, and it killed my entire orchard. He's like, I wasted through six grand away. He goes, the amount of guns I've bought. He goes, he's like, I've I'm embarrassed to tell you how many weapons I've bought, the amount of ammunition I've bought. I taught all my children to shoot guns for the people who are gonna come, and they never came. He's like, he's like, I have yeah, but that's a fun one, at least. It is. He's like, I have a garage stocked full of Mormon food, you know. Like, I mean, I'm adding my own flavor into this a little bit, but like he just went through it and he's like, I just went through all of it in this state of fear, thinking like the end of the world was coming. He's like, and none of these things ever came. And he's just kind of like reflecting on it, you know, and it's like we we've talked about um like my my predictions that like you know, we're we're in the end times and like something we're heading to something. But like, even when I talk about like the Antichrist coming and what that looks like, I'm not sure it looks like total collapse and like uh uh Book of Eli type apocalyptic imagery. Like, I don't think that's what it is. I don't think there's gonna be a an a power grid outage. I think there could be a currency collapse, and then they're going to use that as a way to get us to accept digital currency, and then it'll just be a system of control for us. Like, I think there's gonna be totalitarianism that comes. And it's I don't I don't know if it's gonna be roaming bands of marauders and things like that that are you know raping and pillaging. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 38:45

That would be uh on, I mean, although that would obviously be terrible, that would be so much more interesting than then the the banal like banal BS we're living through right now, you know. Like if this if this is the climax of the collapse, I know right.

SPEAKER_05 39:03

Well, the thing is, I dude, I used to uh it's funny when I was younger, I would have fantasies about living in that post-apocalyptic world. Every guy has like a four and you know, you just you there's two things men men all have the the the fantasy of one is you can go back in time and bring a piece of technology from oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 39:26

Every guy has all right, what piece of technology would you bring hyper rifle where you can shoot one really important person be better, or a gatling gun with 10,000 rounds of ammunition or like a Jeep, a Jeep with a Gatling gun on it?

SPEAKER_05 39:41

Like what you go back to like the Odyssey wars or something. What do you do for gas? That's that well, this is this is the thought process you go through as a man, and you go, Okay, well, I have how much gas can I bring with me? And like, all right, now or like yeah, you just you think about like how you could gain power in the past with technology from today, go into the past and show them something and make them think you're some oracle or something. Um, yeah, now zombie apocalypse is another one, or just an apocalyptic like end time scenario, and you're like, all right, you know, but once you have a wife and children, that fantasy goes out the window, and you don't want to live in some post-apocalyptic world, not because you wouldn't enjoy it, it's because you don't want to see your children suffer. You don't want to see them have to go through it. So, like, I I don't want to leave New York because I want to be taken out in the blast. I don't want to live through some like I don't want to live through the road, you know, like the road where where he he's he's got a uh him and his him and his kid are just walking the trail and his cannibals everywhere. Like, I don't want to live through that anymore. If there is a nuke and it hits New York, I want to be taken out with the nuke. I want to go with my family. How about you know, if someone really you live out in the wilderness, so you you and you got a lot of guns, so you still kind of have that fantasy, I think.

SPEAKER_04 41:09

Uh, I mean, it it would be rough, obviously, but like yeah, I think I would be better off than anyone in an urban area.

SPEAKER_05 41:20

Let me tell you something though, even even us with our uh our Mormon food buckets, right? Dude, those run out quick. Like you might have two, three months of food, but you don't have years of food, you know what I mean? Like you you definitely need to hunt, and you definitely like you, but you could probably Right.

SPEAKER_04 41:37

But of the 1500 people in the 10, 12 square blocks around me, I imagine I my family outlasts 80% of those pretty easy, and then they have a lot of stuff we can take.

SPEAKER_05 41:51

All right, so I watched uh The Last House on Netflix. Everybody was saying it was the worst movie ever. Like everyone, every dude, every review I saw was like, this is the worst movie I've ever seen. It's so bad, it's so bad. I'm like, I'm gonna watch it. It wasn't that bad. It's like the Obama one, no, no, no, it's the last house standing or something, and it's basically the premise is genius, where like everyone is locked in their house by some mysterious force that won't let them leave. The ending is dumb, like it's a really dumb ending, and like the reason why everyone's locked in their house is really dumb. But uh it's one of those scenarios when nobody could leave their house, and this family has to figure out how they're going to survive, and they can't live there, they can't leave their house. So like they have to ration their food, and it winds up lasting like 10 years or something, and they find ways to grow food in their house. Yeah, it lasts like 10 years. No, there's no way. They find ways to like all the food they had when they when they first got it, like all the fruit and vegetables and stuff, they saved the seeds and they wanted to plant it.

SPEAKER_04 42:58

Where did they get water from?

SPEAKER_05 43:00

They still had power and water for like three or four years. I don't know how, and then like after three years, the power runs out, and they still had wall water because it's the whole part of it is rain. So they have rainwater, like tons of rainwater coming in. Like, as part of the water. Wow, do they put a hole in their roof? I mean, it's not I'm not gonna tell you to watch the movie, it's not good enough to go watch, but regardless, it's like the the whole like the survival thing. It's it's why I won't love watching the show alone. Like, I love the idea of having to survive.

SPEAKER_04 43:31

I don't like the idea of like people trying to kill you, but the the the point I was making with the movie is you were going crazy when Twitter wouldn't load the other day.

SPEAKER_05 43:40

Dude, I know. I know. Well, no, that was because I didn't have a book and I was on the beach, is what I was on the beach. Like, me and my wife went to the beach just to like cool off a little, and I get there and I have no service on the beach. I'm like, all I want to do is sit in my beach chair and scroll Twitter, and I have no service, and I had to walk up by like Anthony was on the beach with the

SPEAKER_04 44:00

Rap music and he couldn't complain on Twitter, which only made him want to complain on Twitter. That's it.

SPEAKER_05 44:04

So I walked up by the concession stable when I got service. Uh my brother was on Survivor, not Survival, Survivor. Um, so it's a the point of the show story is yeah, you're right. Um the you saw how quickly some people died, though. Like you were saying, like 80% of the people around here, they're just not gonna be right.

SPEAKER_04 44:23

Like anybody who's older and firm, they're not gonna be able to be able to be able to let I mean as much as I hate to say this, in our current day and age in our society, something that catastrophic happens, 10 to 20 percent of the people off themselves immediately.

SPEAKER_05 44:39

Yeah, Rob, do you uh you know what I was thinking about? Do you know how many people if like do you know how many people are on psychmeds and like just just pharmaceuticals?

SPEAKER_04 44:52

Over 60% of married women, I believe, are on SSRIs.

SPEAKER_05 44:55

Dude, you think about how many people are on pharmaceuticals and are dependent on those pharmaceuticals, like dude, these people, if they lost their pharmaceuticals, they're just gonna go into withdrawals and detox and the amount of psychosis that you would be dealing with because how many people lost their minds from immediate like withdrawal from their SSRIs or or anything. Like, it's just it's just wild what would happen in that scenario. It would just be total mayhem. Unmedicated women in the apocalypse context. You do put out a good gem or two every shit. Uh yeah, I don't know. I just this whole thing. All right, let's play the other clip because we're gonna head over to locals in a few.

Isolation, Internet, And Content Christianity

SPEAKER_02 45:45

Oh, like, you know, that the that's oil and water, that those are two completely different things when in fact they're the same thing. Because when you break up, say, those parish communities and you drive everybody out to the suburbs, everybody's living within their own fence line now. They're not living in a community, they're living in their own fence line. They maybe don't even know their neighbors' names. You have all those people who are completely isolated and easily homogenized over time. And um, you know, they lose their distinctiveness and become and melt into a part of a a mass that you can now propagandize on a mass level in in a way that, you know, you think about it like uh if you lived in a in a parish community back in the 1920s in the United States, if you lived in an Irish parish community in New York City, and the government was uh or or the culture, whatever whatever outside force it is, is trying to propagandize you in a given way that your grandfather and your priest and the elders in your community that everybody respects are all telling you is not true, you're not gonna believe that. And you also just really have no need for whatever uh ideology it is that's being pushed on you because you have your community here. That's your ideology, you know? And um when you break all these people up, I mean, everybody every every intelligence agency going back to the Korean War has known that if you want to brainwash people, the first thing you have to do is isolate them. Of course. And so when everybody's isolated and yet you can propagandize all of them at the same time in their little isolation, it becomes very easy to and in the 20th century when the media channels were as controlled as they were, I mean, it was incredibly powerful. And you know, I the the one of the great hopes that I think, even though it was uh originally a military technology and everything, is I don't think that they plan for the internet.

SPEAKER_05 47:33

And the reason I think that I just I wanted to just uh the idea, um, I will get to this uh question. We will discuss this question before we leave. Um MB loves Jesus. We'll talk about this before we leave. That's that's a good super chat. Um, but the the reason I I clipped that part is just it well, I we kind of talked about it a little bit already, but it it's the um part of it is I I worry that so much of um modern Catholicism has become become like content Christianity, like content of Christianity, you know, and it's like so much of it is spent online. Um I watched uh Jonathan Bejot talk to Luke Burgess. You know what Luke Burgess is? No, Catholic guy. He wrote he's like a uh a Renee Girard um like uh uh what would you call him, right? Studies Renee Girard, I don't know, whatever. But let me know he really studies Renee Girard. But he was talking uh with Peugeot, and Peugeot actually was the one who gave me this idea. He was and he dude, he actually was low-key taking a shot at uh what's the what's the Orthodox kid?

SPEAKER_04 48:49

Um Cleave to Antiquity.

SPEAKER_05 48:51

Cleave to Antiquity. He was he's taking a little shot at him. He's like, he's like, what about like these guys who find their identity online? And they may not even be like, they're not even like baptized yet or in the church yet, but like they're taking up the banner to fight the good fight, and they're like making it their whole identity. Like there's something about how social media is like making us disjointed, and like what we're doing there, we need to form like real communities and and make real life friends. It can't just I mean, I mean, for me and you, Twitter is real life, obviously. Like me and you are like like we're legit, like you know, people that say Twitter isn't real life. Like, no, you have to make like Robin, I mean it can be, yes, it can it can be like that, but me and you make a point to see each other at least once or twice a year, and like I don't know, like see I'm getting an invite to a wedding in New York for some dude who I met through this show that yeah now engaged to your sister, and like P for I'm going to go away with like 40 people that watch this show, and we're gonna make real life friendships, you know? And it's like that that I think is super important for us to do, but we've lost what he's talking about, where you had your your parish community where everyone was kind of gathered around that parish community, and it's like we we talk about the nuclear family now and stuff, but like there really was such a bigger concept of what it meant to be a people when you had those parish communities that you'd have these events at the parish, and that's where your kids would meet their spouse, and it it's just all of that was taken away. And I dude, I don't really know my neighbors' names, like I really don't know my I know one or two of them that I I think are I bet you know one's name now. I actually don't know his name. The cops came and broke it up. I'll tell you the story in a few minutes.

SPEAKER_04 50:49

I was thinking you at least saw it on a police report or something.

SPEAKER_05 50:52

It didn't get that far, but I'm the one who called the cops because I was afraid of what I would do. But we'll talk about it on the other side. So um, yeah, I don't know. I just thought I thought it was I thought it was an interesting episode that they did because of all the topics we've discussed on our show. And it kind of just fit in line with all of the conversations we've been having, and it just man, I don't know. I don't know where all this is heading. I just know that there's been a plan for this to happen for uh a century and a half or you know, since the Enlightenment, basically. Like this, this this really started with the printing press, it was like the beginning of it and the Protestant Reformation. That was like the beginning of this stuff. It starts there and they start using technology to break apart Christian civilization. But Christian civilization was such a foundation that it has taken five, six hundred years for them to destroy. And the thing is, the Jews still see themselves as a historical people, they still tell their children, like in that episode, they get into how Winona writer, when she was a kid, her parents terrified her and she was afraid of the dark because she thought her neighbors were gonna come and put her in a gas oven, you know? And it's like these this is how the Jews retain their identity is by telling their kids about the horrors their people have suffered through generations and generations and over thousands of years. So they still see themselves as a historical people. We as Catholics have to remember that we are a historical people, like this is very important. I think that's why there was not I think this is why there's such a big push to break up the Catholic identity and to like dilute it at every chance they get and just make it like, oh, we're just a social club. And there's something very important about all of us understanding where we fit in the context of the grand story.

SPEAKER_04 52:49

Her last name is Horowitz.

SPEAKER_05 52:51

Who, Winona Rider?

SPEAKER_04 52:53

Yes, yeah, and she was born in Winona, Minnesota. How did I not know either of these things?

SPEAKER_05 53:01

They all make up fake names, none of them want you to know they got a sign at the end of it or a witz.

SPEAKER_04 53:09

300 people just learned Winona Rider's real last name. And yes, Winona, Minnesota is beautiful.

SPEAKER_05 53:16

Um, all right, so let's let's just jump to the um super chat real quick because well

Violence, Civil War, And Martyrdom

SPEAKER_05 53:21

hold on.

SPEAKER_04 53:21

While we're on that subject, um do you see the issues where we no, I don't I don't know. I don't either, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_05 53:31

And I I fear that part of the plan that they're enacting on us has to do with violence. Like they want it to come to violence, they want it to come to civil war because there's no one easier to conquer than a people who are divided. Like a house divided cannot stand. I mean, Jesus tells us this throughout the Gospels, right? Throughout the Gospels, a house divided cannot stand. The whole point of what they're doing to us is to divide us so that we can be conquered.

SPEAKER_04 54:01

Yeah, now I would there is some hope, but also some um I guess warning. Like if we look at uh an example I would just recently talked about the Spanish Civil War, like like yeah, that in a in a in a similar way, like that was all engineered for for violence, right? Like that was everything that took part there and was done against the church and the Spanish people was done with mass violence uh in mind in order to basically cleanse Spain and make it you know into what the the secularists and the communists wanted, um, but they were unprepared for the reaction against them, and they lost because of it. But so that I guess there there is hope there.

SPEAKER_05 54:52

Well, we talked about that whole episode we did about there's no Catholic culture, right? Like there in America, I'm sorry, there's no American Catholic culture, right? The Jews have their plans, their plans will come to like all things work for good, like Christ wins the story, so they may have their plans for us to be in violence, right? What'll happen from that violence is you will get martyrs willing to die for the faith, and that is where you'll get your real Catholic American culture because you'll develop traditions around the martyrs died for the faith.

SPEAKER_04 55:28

Yeah, but I would say the warning is Spain ended up, you know, the the Catholics in Spain ended up winning because they had a 100-long year traditional movement that had been training militias called the Raquetes for 100 years, yeah. Right? They had community, they had they had people willing to to work together and train militarily for 100 years, so they were ready for that moment. And all we can do is all we can do is have the the SSB act and the FSSB fight each other.

unknown 56:02

Great.

SPEAKER_05 56:02

We're certainly not ready for it, but at the same time, um faith blossoms on the persecution, yeah. Like faith blossoms on the persecution, and the blood of the martyrs is the seeds of the faith. So it's just like no matter what their plans are, like that's how Christ's church spreads, man. And it's I think that's how we'll get a genuine American Catholic culture is through martyrdom. Because that's where these like all of the Catholic traditions you see, all the all the parades you're seeing, all these beautiful Catholic, like cultural things that you see in Europe are formed. They're around saints and martyrs. Yeah, like nearly all of them. It's you know, they're nearly all around martyrs because you develop a tradition around that martyr, and then it becomes a cultural thing for you, your people to unite around. So I'm not, you know, and honestly, it's not something to doom and gloom and worry about constantly because like at a certain point you just have to say Christ is in control, and whatever happens is is his plan. And for us to like the thing I got from the Elliott Hells video was like all that worry, all that worry, and you spend your time prepping for everything. It's like he he could have just been living your life for the past five years, taking some minor preparations to make sure that you're you know, you don't, but to spend your whole life preparing for an event that may never come, it may come or it may not come.

SPEAKER_04 57:24

Still, I mean, you have the Spanish who were prepared and only suffered, I mean, through a horrible war, but it was only three years long. You have the you know, the the Christians and the Balkans who who were prepared and fought off the Ottomans for centuries, and then you have the Russians who were completely unprepared and suffered under Soviet communism for 75 years before finally throwing it off, you know. Like, like, yes, it's not all about I was talking about like there's gotta be a balance.

SPEAKER_05 57:54

Well, I was specifically talking about like us worrying about financial collapse and us worrying about like those things, like you they're out of our control. They're they're just some things are out of our control. We should take necessary preparations, but I mean, I if you're talking about fighting a civil war, that's a totally different conversation.

SPEAKER_04 58:13

Like, I don't know what you need you need uh way more organization for that than what we currently have for sure. Yeah, yeah, we'd be in you can't do that alone.

SPEAKER_05 58:23

Um, so all right, let's get to that super chat real quick. So

Millennials Going No Contact

SPEAKER_05 58:27

um, can we talk about no contact by millennials against their parents? 13 of my grandkids have gone are gone overnight, two and a half years into it. This is our future. Um, yeah, it is a millennial thing, uh in particular. It's a it's a hard one for me because I've just the thought would never cross my mind. I've had friends that me and my wife had to go no contact with because they were just toxic. Um it's just such an alien thing to me. Now, look, if if like a parent is abusive, if um they're constantly causing strife in your marriage and your marriage can't stay together, like then I can understand like just saying like I I you know I I I can't have this in my life because it's causing too much strife at my home. But I also do think a lot of people are a lot of people are way too sensitive and they're unwilling to deal with any kind of suffering through a lot of stuff. And it's like if they just upset a woman sometimes, they'll just go, I just I'm cutting them off. You know, it's like there's got there's gotta be it shouldn't be happening nearly as often as it is. I know that it's happening way too often, but I do have to allow for legitimate cases of it.

SPEAKER_04 59:43

Um I would say it's happening too often for the wrong reasons and not enough for the right reasons, probably. Like uh like there are definitely times when it is what is needed, you know, especially if we're talking like the like a hierarchy of love, like if if you know, my my duty first is obviously to my wife and then to my kids and then to my parents. So if you know I can't if if having parents in in your life prevents you or harms, you know, like like you were talking about your marriage or your children or something, obviously then you need to work out what takes priority there. Um But I I think many of the reasons people use for I mean generally the the people who go no contact generally are are leftist kids who don't like that their parents voted for Trump, you know, something like that. That's what I mean.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:41

That's all I'm saying. Like, like, like when you have situations like that, like if if your kids are going no contact because they have a different political opinion, like those kids are, I don't know what happened to your kids, I don't know what you did, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:53

But but at the same time, there are you know, I think we've recognized now how terrible at parenting the boomer generation as a whole was, and there might be times where a millennial parent has to cut off a boomer grandparent for the sake of their children.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:09

Yeah, I I look it family dynamics are tough, man, and I don't want to like just use my family as like the barometer because I have a good family on my wife's side and my side. So it's like for me to speak out a turn about that, like I don't know the there's always intricacies to these things, and it's like anytime I've got something you can speak on as a whole, it's so in a blanket statement because I've I there's too many people I like and like trust that have told me, like, dude, I had to cut my parents out. That I can't just like blanket say it's you should never go no contact. Like, there's scenarios where it's acceptable. I just think it's way blown out of proportion, and like people consider like an argument with their parents abuse. Like, I don't know, like there's some sometimes I think it's just way blown out of proportion.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:00

So I mean, I I I keep my father-in-law out of touch with my wife and my my kids um for good reason, and you know, and and he knows that if he ever does want relationships with them, he has to come to me and show me that it, you know, that the issues that were there are resolved, or that at the very least he's interested in resolving them.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:25

Yeah, there needs to be like I I see I can see putting boundaries up. I think boundaries would be a better approach for a lot of people and just say, look, these are the boundaries. Like, if you want a relationship with us, this is this is how, like you just said, like this is you need to show you wanna you know show reconciliation first and that we're gonna work on resolving these issues, or we're never gonna talk about it, but I don't want you doing this with my kid. Like, my dad's dad like hit my little sister once when we when we were younger. And like, if my if my dad ever put his hands on my kids, I'd be like, you're not allowed around my kids anymore. Like, there's times when like you you have to just say, like, I can't let you around my kids. If you're gonna hit my kids, you're not gonna be around my kids, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:07

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:08

But um, all right, so we're gonna go to the other side.

Aftershow Invite And Closing

SPEAKER_05 1:03:11

Uh, I have quite quite a few stories to tell. Um, and yeah, I want to talk relationships on the other side, too.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:20

So if you guys want to come, uh Let me get the link out here.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:24

Locals.com slash avoiding babylon, I think it is, something like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:28

Avoiding avoidingbabylon.locals.com.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:31

There you go. Avoiding avoiding locals.com. Not a deal. Uh I'm never good at those things unless I see it in front of me. So yeah, go to avoidingbabylon.locals.com. Join us for the after show. We do it every night. Oh, Eddie is coming in Thursday. And he's doesn't he's coming in for the weekend, but he has a wedding Friday. Oh uh, he's in the it's Eddie's wife's brother is getting married. So he has a wedding.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:57

Our accountant, Eddie?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:59

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:59

He's coming up here for his wife's brother's wedding.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:02

He's gonna be here Thursday through Sunday, but he has wedding stuff Friday and Saturday, and he has a million people he has to see Sunday. The only chance I'm gonna see him is Thursday.

unknown 1:04:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:12

I'm thinking we'd maybe just do locals at nine. I'm thinking no YouTube show Thursday. Maybe I'll I'm gonna go see him after work. I'm gonna hang out with him for a few hours, and I'll try to get home for nine o'clock and we'll do a local show at nine. But that's not gonna be a YouTube show on Thursday. So for those of you who only catch the YouTube show, you're gonna miss Thursday's show. We're gonna do uh locals only. Either that or we can switch the show to tomorrow, but I generally don't like doing those two days in a row.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:45

Something big comes up.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:45

If something big pops up tomorrow, we'll jump on tomorrow. So keep your eyes open. We will uh you'll you know, check our Twitter feeds and we'll we'll post something on the YouTube channel and we'll let you guys know what we're doing. So, all right, join us over on the other side. Rob, you got something to take us out with?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:58

Uh I'll figure out something here. Um yeah, everyone says they love this one. I know you hate it, but