SSPX Drama Continues: Sede Inc.Comes After Avoiding Babylon (Full LOCALS Show)

A pope pleads with the SSPX to “please turn back” and warns that a coming consecration would be a “schismatic act” with serious consequences for the faithful. We read Pope Leo’s letter line by line, then read Fr. Pagliarani’s reply, and you can hear why this situation breaks our hearts: it sounds less like a debate clip and more like a family arguing at the edge of a wound that will not close.

We also deal head-on with the online narrative war around traditional Catholicism: the habit of misframing people into positions they do not hold, the pressure to “pick a side,” and the constant attempt to force every diagnosis of the Church crisis into the sedevacantist conclusion. We explain why we refuse that logic, why it creates a spiritual dead end, and why it often produces anger and cult-like dynamics instead of clarity and charity. If you’ve searched for SSPX consecrations, SSPX schism, Pope Leo SSPX letter, sedevacantism debate, or traditional Latin Mass controversy, this is the kind of episode that slows everything down and asks what the arguments actually prove.

Then we get practical: we play and unpack a Bishop Williamson clip that distinguishes validity from danger, and we talk about the Novus Ordo Mass, scandal, rubrics, and why so many cradle Catholics say their faith came alive when they found tradition. From there the conversation widens to algorithm-driven outrage, civil unrest fears, birthright citizenship, and global instability where AI and great-power conflict start to feel like the next Manhattan Project.

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Transcript

Trad Drama And Bad Faith Framing

SPEAKER_00 0:38

Answer the questions.

SPEAKER_02 0:49

Answer the questions. Answer the questions.

SPEAKER_04 1:11

Answer the questions.

SPEAKER_02 1:20

Answer the questions.

SPEAKER_03 1:27

I'm sorry. That was funny. I'm sorry, Steve, if we had to do it. I'm not. Oh, the drama in Tradland. It's too fun. I don't know. You you you kind of hate this stuff, right? I think it's amazing. I I'm having I it's like nostalgic for me. It's like everybody's fighting again. I love it.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

It just is a bunch of people who think they matter more than they really do.

SPEAKER_03 1:53

It's all it is. Oh, but we do too. We all think we matter, none of us do. I don't. Honestly, it's um I all right. So we did the last show, and um Chris Jackson keeps picking fights with me, man.

SPEAKER_02 2:09

First off, I don't know why he let's not pretend that's his name.

SPEAKER_03 2:12

I mean, it's clearly not his name, but I don't even know his real name. So but he keeps picking fights and he misframes everything I say. He gets us into a into a battle with oh, you mean it's a bad faith actor? No way, bad faith actor. Then he he gets us into a thing with Janet Smith. Janet Smith, man. I met Janet Smith a few months ago. I met her twice. I met her at the Catholic um at the canceled priest conference, and then I met her in Florida a few months ago. She was a lovely woman, like we had a really good time together. She thought I was wonderful. She talked you thought she was never mind. She was she was a wonderful woman. Me and her talked for hours, everything was lovely, and then she goes and throws up on Facebook that she thinks Chris Jackson's article is excellent, and it's like, no, Chris Jackson's article is not excellent. It's nothing about a boomer. That's a boomer fell for AI. No, because the thing is, I'm pretty sure most of Chris Jackson's

Seamless Garment And Schism Meaning

SPEAKER_03 3:20

writings are AI. I mean, it does every time you put those things through an AI detector, it comes back as like 98%, 95% AI with some human, you know, mixed. It just reads like slop too. Like you just get that sense that I mean we'll we'll go through that article tonight, but I also want to go through um because I I watched Anthony Stein this morning and he was reading Leo's response to the SSPX, and he kind of cringed in uh when Leo talked about the seamless garment being torn. But I think Leo actually used the proper context.

SPEAKER_02 3:57

He's not using it in like the Bernadine Bernadine way, no, right.

SPEAKER_03 4:02

So, like the the the Bernadine uh context for seamless garment is like, oh well, abortion and death penalty and all this stuff is one seamless thing. So if you you know you you got you you have to be against abortion, but you also have to be against the death penalty, and that was how that was used. But I think Leo was actually using it in the proper context in terms of schism. Like if the and I'm not even saying that's what's happening here, but that's the proper term. Like you're if you're if you're you're the seamless garment being the unity of the church, the unity of the church, right? So the the the seamless garment comes from Caiaphas, and I believe it's John's gospel. Caiaphas tears his garment, and that signifies the end of his high priesthood. And then John makes a point to point out that Christ they cast lots for his seamless garment that was not torn, because Christ's priesthood is now now uh you know active, or whatever you would say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, right, right. So but it's also to show the division with those who accept Christ and those who don't. So it really does have a lot to do with that. There's a lot going on there because you also in that uh story you have Malchus is um Caiaphas's servant, right? So, like, so uh they it it's like I forgot which gospel it's in, but it's points out that Malchus is the high priest's servant, and uh Jesus is high Jesus is the new high priest, and his servant Peter cuts off Malchus's ear. So it's like this whole play of showing the old high priest tears his garment and his servant comes out to get the new high priest, and and the new high priest's servant attacks him and cuts his ear, and then Jesus says, Peter, those who live by the sword die by the sword, and Jesus heals Malchus's ear and stuff. So there's a lot going on there, but I do believe that is the proper context for using that seamless garment analogy, even as even to the point where Pagliorani returned it and and spoke of it in the same way. So in Leo's letter, he mentions it, and then in Pagliorani's letter, he responds and uses the same analogy. So I know a lot of people might have just like heard that phrase, and because over the years we've talked about that phrase so much that they probably you know rolled their which Anthony Stein rolled his eyes this morning when he was reading about the seamless garment. But I I don't think it was an improper.

SPEAKER_02 6:27

I don't think his eyes do anything besides roll, to be honest. You need to be nice.

SPEAKER_03 6:33

Why?

SPEAKER_02 6:34

Why is it I why is it we always need to be the nice ones?

SPEAKER_03 6:37

You need to be nice. Uber Karen Janet Smith can say what she's she wants, but I have to deliver. She all she said was it's an excellent. Oh man, we're gonna have

Knick Knack Engagement Story

SPEAKER_03 6:45

to do the Janet Smith stuff. But but listen, before any of that, I we have the most amazing Knick-Knack success story tonight. It's actually an update to one of the first Knick-Knack success stories. The first Knick-Knack success story I told you guys about this loser incel named Bobby, who I met in Italy and couldn't find a girlfriend. Well, Bobby just proposed to my sister on Friday. Gave this kid a pack of knick-knacks, and he proposed to my sister this Friday. So they met in January, four months of courtship, and they're engaged, and they're probably gonna get this wedding done before November or in November. We are looking at record time. Yeah, I think so because they want to be married when we go to Italy, and uh, but it's just interesting to think like you never know what God has in store for your life, you know. Uh, Bobby came to Italy in 2024 with me at the end of 2024. We met, became like instant friends there. Got home. I invited him to a couple of family things, and then he met my sister this past January. And uh, yeah, man, it's just if they're not married when they go, one of the two of them is gonna be sleeping on your floor in the hotel. Well, no, it was gonna be Bobby was gonna stay with my son and my sister. We were gonna have to find a bunk partner for her. So we were so we went out with them on Saturday, and uh, they were just like, we were trying to figure this all out. And they're like, I think we're gonna have to do yeah, I'm not happy about this. Listen, there's a lot that goes into this. You guys don't even know. They're trying to make me go to the wedding at an Eastern liturgy. I'm furious about it. I don't even know. I might I may boycott the wedding. I don't know what I'm going to do yet.

SPEAKER_02 8:32

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SPEAKER_03 8:38

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SPEAKER_02 9:52

Uh, whoa. No, no, no. We got something you know.

SPEAKER_03 9:55

Oh, we have something else too. Um, Paul Pereira is uh like an OG to the show. Like, I'm talking very, very long time, long time friend of the show. His uh wife gave birth, uh, and the baby only lived about six days. Yeah, his son Xavier only lived about six days, and um, they do have to cover funeral expenses and a lot of medical bills. So if you guys are so inclined, Paul is an amazing guy. We met him in person. He came to Rob's uh son's baptism and we met him in person. Paul is uh he's a really good guy. If you guys can help out, that's Rob Linked's GoFundMe. Uh, it's a really hard time his family's going through right now. So we love you, Paul.

SPEAKER_02 10:43

I'll put it right now. It's in the live chat, but I'll put it in the description at the end of the show.

SPEAKER_03 10:48

Yeah, if you can. We uh yeah, we gotta show Paul some love, long time uh friend of the show. So um, what do we want

Chris Jackson Article Critique

SPEAKER_03 10:55

to start with? Do we want to do we want to start with the Janet Smith Chris Jackson drama? I guess we should, right? And then we'll get into the Leo responses and stuff. And then tonight on locals, Rob and I have been uh wanting to have this conversation for a while. We want to talk. I mean, you had the birthright citizenship thing happen today. Rob and I both think uh civil unrest is on the way. I want to I want to get Rob's opinion on just maybe I want to I want to talk a little bit of how we're being manipulated, and I also have some thoughts on like world events right now, how things are going and stuff. So we're gonna we're gonna probably just talk, you know, civil conflict at home, world events, and my crashing my house crashing her car.

SPEAKER_02 11:35

Three-minute anime style taffy video that I cannot play on YouTube because of the content. Okay, Anthony is gonna hate it, absolutely hate it, just despise it.

SPEAKER_03 11:48

They don't even send me the intro videos ahead of time anymore.

SPEAKER_02 11:51

No, no, matter of fact, uh Taffy sent this to me, and he's like, definitely don't send this to Ant, but you might not want to watch it beforehand either. I'm like, I gotta watch it beforehand.

SPEAKER_03 11:59

Yeah, you have to screen these videos ahead of time. There's no way, all right. So we'll play that over on locals, also. Um, all right, so let's do Chris Jackson's article and let's just show how he is a bad faith actor and doesn't actually um doesn't even um properly like explain what we said in our show last episode or anything, and how he's drumming up. Look, my my my my position is this they will say things like Rob and I are avoiding the question, which uh I don't know what the question is that we're avoiding, but also um they're the ones avoiding the question. Um they all want to play footsie with the sede vacantists and then say they're not sede vacantist, and that is uh strange to me because uh they talk like sede's, they push the sede vacantist position, and then they go, Well, we're not setays though, we're not setays though. And that's kind of the the the point uh Matt makes to Stephen Cox is that Stephen is acting like he's just asking, he's just having the important conversations that Trad Inc. is afraid to have. I don't think anybody's afraid to have these conversations.

SPEAKER_02 13:16

I think that we're coming to different conclusions, so and it's also the only conversation he's had now since he started his thing after getting fired from life's like it's just the same conversation over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

SPEAKER_03 13:30

Um I I want to find um Steven's tweet real quick. So um hang on, I'm sorry, guys. Just give me a sec. Um okay, so uh Glad at his public record, Matt thinks two archmoderners are saints. I wonder why he prays to them, what he prays to them for, or maybe he doesn't. That would be odd. Uh wait, no, that's the wrong one. Wait, there's a different one. I'm sorry, guys. Bear with me. Um he said he's he made one about how Catholic Inc is or Trad Inc. is okay. Integrity is having conversations on topics that Matt Michael Matt, Taylor Marshall, Matt Gaspers, and the rest of the echo chamber of indult, FSSP, and conservative novus orto influencers refuse to have for years. They are triggered by mere dialogue. Meanwhile, integrity contributors are are uh all having public conversations about this stuff. Uh have all publicly said they are not publicly said they are not sedes. It seems Matt Gaspers is angry. Some people are willing to work together on an array of issues without imposing a litmus test. It okay, so um I I am friends with Steven, um, but I think that's I yeah, Rob's not, but I am.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

Umundantly clear to everybody.

SPEAKER_03 14:52

I uh I don't I don't see it that way. It's it's funny how the misframing goes. Like, I don't think anybody's afraid to have these conversations. I think these conversations were had for years. I think uh, well, for me, I can tell you for me personally, I'm not gonna put words in anybody else's mouth, but for me personally, I we did have these conversations for years, and the conclusion I came to was I'm not a set of a contest, like I don't see how that formula works. So the the point that like they're that they think that they're having these difficult conversations, I don't I don't think they are. It's not like it we all see that there's a crisis. So for Chris Jackson in this article is going to act like I don't think there's a crisis. We all know there's a crisis.

SPEAKER_02 15:37

You know what is even when we talk about the encyclicals or something, we are very clear.

SPEAKER_03 15:44

The entire thing is that my uh my my my thesis is that I agree with the Ticonius thesis, right? So my position is the mystery of iniquity is that the mystery of evil grows inside the body of the Lord, it's the body of the Lord and the body of Christ within one entity, which is this structure of the visible church on earth, and the body of the devil is growing stronger, and that is the mystery of iniquity. It lines up with the catechism in paragraph 675, it lines up with everything we're seeing right now. So that's just the position I take. So when I say I'm not scandalized by the things in Rome, it's because I expect them to get severely worse. I don't say there's no crisis, I don't think we have a great hierarchy right now. I understand the situation, I'm not coming to the same conclusions as you guys. I don't think Leo is an anti-pope. You guys do. That's a different position, that's not avoiding the question.

SPEAKER_02 16:38

So, okay, so the title screen says of course they're not willing to say that they believe Leo is an anti.

SPEAKER_03 16:44

That's my point. They avoid the question because they'll say they're not set as, but the reason they won't say they're set as is because everybody knows once you say that you're a set a, you get written off because everybody knows SEDEs are crackpots, they're just nuts, like these people are nuts, and that's something I will willingly say constantly. So uh title screen says Catholics lose their minds over the SSPX consecrations. Uh, that is already the tell. The frame is psychological. Catholics are losing their minds, people are freaking out. SEDEs are being crazy, online trads are causing drama, everybody needs to calm down. Never said any of those things except sedes are being crazy. Then the conversation begins, and the two hosts accidentally say half the things that need to be said. We don't accidentally say anything, except the occasional N-word slips out. Joking. Only on locals. That's only on locals, a joke. Um, uh no, like, no, we're not accidentally saying anything, Chris. This is a preposterous thesis you're coming up with. They admit the SSPX profession of faith reads like Catholic doctrine. Yes. Why wouldn't we? Like they admit that modern errors have penetrated the life of the church under the influence of Vatican II and the post-conciliar reforms. Yes, we do.

SPEAKER_02 17:58

I would say the I would say, though, it happened started to happen way before that.

SPEAKER_03 18:02

Right. That's kind of what we've really been discovering is that these errors started way before the council. They just had their coming out party at the council. They admit that false ecumenism,

The Sedevacantist Trap Online

SPEAKER_03 18:10

liberalism, synodality, liturgical uh anthropocentrism, and interreligious fraternity are all attacks on Catholic order. They admit that Rome, or at least the hierarchy, hates tradition. They admit that the faithful at SSPX chapels are often simply Catholics trying to be Catholic. They admit that the FSSP and ICK live under a sword hanging over their heads because the local bishop can't take away that can take away their mass at any time. Then they refuse the conclusion. That is the whole show. What conclusion? What conclusion? What conclusion am I avoiding? I don't understand. What conclusion? What conclusion are you coming to? Are you saying that none of the post-conciliar popes are valid? Is that the conclusion? Because that sounds an awful lot like Ceneva contism, Chris. And then Stephen Cox is saying that you have said you're not a Cedivocantist. Sounds like you're refusing the conclusion. That is the whole show. Avoiding Babylon sees Babylon, names Babylon, sells merch against Babylon. We really don't know much merch. You know what?

SPEAKER_02 19:11

And Anthony's probably upset about that. Do you see what's behind my head, Rob? Well, uh, yes, I do. And I got same guy sent me this.

SPEAKER_03 19:23

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SPEAKER_02 19:29

Um probably say it on locals.

SPEAKER_03 19:31

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SPEAKER_02 19:49

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SPEAKER_03 19:52

Then insists that asking whether Babylon has really become the governing religious system is now somehow lunacy. No, we both agree that it has been. I've actually said in the end, it will be hard to distinguish the difference between Babylon and the church because they are both adorned in purple, they are both adorned in gold. Like this is the point. This is the this is this is the pseudo-messianism that comes at the end. Now he he makes fun of me for being apocalyptic. He calls me apocalyptic Anthony Abadi, but I don't see how you don't draw apocalyptic conclusions from the things that you're saying. Avoiding all right, so I was gonna say if Sede Vicantum is true, that's way more apocalyptic to me. Way more. That's like I don't understand how Seti's can't come to the conclusion that these are the end times. I don't get that. This is the tragedy of much online traditionalism. It can diagnose the symptoms with energy, humor. I know he thinks we're funny, though. Humor, uh, energy, and real affection for the old faith. It can see the official structures of full are full of revolutionaries. It can see that the post-conciliar establishment punishes tradition while blessing almost every liberal deviation, and that the old mass faithful are treated as dangerous while interreligious dialogue center. Yeah, we all know this, Chris. But when the question becomes unavoidable, it changes the subject to tone. No, I don't. What question exactly? The SEDAs are mean. It's not that the set is mean, that they have no charity, there's a big difference. They have no charity, and they're not like they're nuts. Most of them, I know a handful that I really do like, but for the most part, they're not well-rounded people. I'm just saying, like, for the most part, and that's online set is I don't want to say anything about like I have no, I've never been to a set of a contest chapel. I don't know. Um, but when the question becomes all right, the set of contests are mean, the converts are cringe, the I mean, they are some of them, the ultra traditionalist are driving wedges. The people who ask hard questions are lunatics. The real problem becomes not the revolution, but the person who no, look, this is the point I made last show. We're talking about the SSPX. Nobody hates the society more than the SEDEs. And the sooner the society guys recognize that, the sooner we could stop with this pretend fiasco that the SEDAs and the SSPX are on the same side. Because you can't tell the difference in a Mike Lewis tweet and a Novus Ordo Watch tweet. Like that's actually the point we're at. I asked this today. Who wrote this tweet? Mike Lewis or um or Novus Ordo Watch? And the tweet What was the answer? I'll tell you in a second. Let's let's find the tweet. Uh okay, so the tweet is Lefebvre maintained an absurd ecclesiology to justify his stance. Obviously, no fraternity has the right to survive at all costs, especially not against the will of the Roman pontiff.

SPEAKER_02 22:49

That's a Novus Orta watch tweet.

SPEAKER_03 22:52

That's a Novus Orta watch tweet.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

But that could have come from Mike Lewis.

SPEAKER_03 22:57

Lefebvre maintained an absurd ecclesiology to justify his stance. Obviously, no fraternity has the right to survive at all costs, especially not against the will of the Roman Pontius. Like Novus Orta Watch hates the setes. So my point is what you have with with certain guys.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

The SSPX.

SPEAKER_03 23:13

Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry, the SSPX. What you have with the guys over at Integrity, and not all of them, I mean, I actually like all these guys. I like Steven. I like um Big Modernism. I'm not no, no, I don't like Chris Jackson.

SPEAKER_02 23:24

That's Chris Jackson.

SPEAKER_03 23:25

That's Chris Jackson. That's Big Modernism. I love Catholic Esquire. I love TLM Ryan. I love American Republican. I love all these guys. Like, I literally love all these guys. But I'm just saying, if you're going to play footsie with the SEDEs, I'm just telling you guys, you're good, you're feeding a beast that is about to turn on you. They will turn on you. They will turn on you.

SPEAKER_02 23:46

This is the second you don't agree with them. They will turn on you.

SPEAKER_03 23:49

And they and I already see it with the SETIs. The SETIs are like Stephen Cox has a long way to go before we we trust it. It's like these guys don't like you guys. And it's because you come to the conclusion. If I mean, I don't know. You guys have to be a little more clear on where your stance is. Like, do you think just Leo's an anti-pope? Do you think just Leo and Francis are anti-pope? Are you beneficantists? Like, what I would like a little more clarity, which is why I like that Matt Gaspers is asking these questions. Like, we need to know what your position on this stuff is, because it kind of seems insane. Like you're just pushing Setivacontist positions and opinions without coming to those conclusions. So why do you why are you not a sede? Like it sounds like a lot of people. So you're saying it's projection. All the things they're saying about Trad Inc., all the things they're accusing Trad Inc. of that they won't come out and endorse the consecrations because they'll lose their SSPX audience. You're saying they won't come out as sede because they'll lose their Trad audience.

SPEAKER_02 24:51

Is that so their position, right, is is way too you know to one side for more normie Catholics to ever you know play with, right? So they'll never have that audience. So they have the small a small part of the trad audience. Then to have you know to add to that, they then are they you know they buddy up to the setties so that they have a little bit of each side, but they're playing, you know, they're they're they're walking in line. If they ever fall completely to one side, they'll lose the other side because I mean that's just how that those two audiences are, right?

SPEAKER_03 25:29

Um, yeah, well, so what what what upset me with the Janet Smith thing is that Janet Smith probably didn't watch our last show, and Janet Smith would probably agree with every single thing I said, but then she goes and says, excellent peace when Chris Jackson completely makes things up that I didn't say, misframes the entire episode and accuses me of avoiding conclusions. And I don't none of that is true. I just don't come to that conclude. Like, I don't I I don't see how anybody can hold the position that there has been no valid pope since 1958. Like, how is that not the church defecting?

SPEAKER_02 26:03

If if if that's the case, then then it's all false.

SPEAKER_03 26:07

Like the church has defected if we haven't had a valid pope since 1958, and there's been an anti-pope in the seat of power in the chair of Peter for this long, and the entire structure of the church has changed, and there's an entire like it you the things that they that they say they don't follow to their logical end. They think we're not following our conclusions to it to the logical end, they're not. So it's frustrating when you have these guys doing this, but yeah, I don't know. I uh watching this whole thing fall out like this is is kind of wild. So um, should we cover Leo and Pagliarani's interaction?

Pope Leo’s Letter To SSPX

SPEAKER_04 26:46

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 26:47

Yeah, I think I think we should jump jump to that just for anybody that did not see it. Um let's see. I think I think I sent it in Taylor's tweet.

SPEAKER_02 26:58

Um that's where I sent it. Well, you send two responses.

SPEAKER_03 27:03

I mean should we start? Yeah, should we start with Leo? Yeah, let's start with Leo. Um I have uh Michael Haynes article.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

Well, here, we don't need the article, we just we can read the letter itself. Yeah, the actual letter, right? Here we go. Okay. Here we go. Uh hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Please there.

SPEAKER_03 27:34

Okay, with a paternal heart and aware of the responsibility entrusted to me by the Lord as the successor of the Apostle Peter, I address you and through you, the bishops, priests, seminarians, and faithful connected to the priestly fraternity of St. Pius X. The church recognizes the devotion to liturgical life, commitment to priestly formation, apostolic zeal, and desire for fidelity to tradition that characterize many people and communities connected to your fraternity. This has motivated the attentive and generous attitude that my predecessors have consistently shown you. In the spirit and filled with Christian affection, I plead with you and ask you with all my heart, please turn back. I urge you to consider carefully the spiritual good of the faithful because of the schismatic because the schismatic act, schismatic act, it's a tongue twister, because the schismatic act you are about to undertake would deprive them of the illicit and in some cases even valid reception of the sacraments, which they love and seek for their sanctification. The church is open to a path of dialogue and understanding that the Holy Spirit can make possible and fruitful. I pray for you because to tear the seamless garment of Christ is a sin of extreme gravity. May the Lord enlighten your consciences and awaken your hearts with a sorrowful yet hopeful heart. I feel it is my duty through the authority received from Christ to ask you to desist from your intended act. I entrust these intentions to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Mother of Good Counsel from the Vatican June 20. I gotta be honest, man. I have my issues, but if the frickin' Pope is saying something like that, it is hard to say like that to just flat out just be disobedient to the Pope is a tough one, man.

SPEAKER_02 29:23

Yeah, right, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:25

That is a and I'm not like this, has nothing to do with my empathy for their situation, has nothing to do with whether I even think what they're doing is legit. I'm saying that the Pope writes you a letter and he says, with the authority entrusted to me by Christ, I plead with you to desist from this act you are about to commit. Like that is a hard one to just say, nah, we're gonna do it anything. Like, I don't know. That's why I've never I've never taken the recognize and resist position. Like I've I've taken the uh like recognize and accept like it is what it is. There's not it's just not like looking. I I never said I don't complain about the church. What does that have to do with there's a lot one can complain about? There's plenty to complain about. I never said I don't complain about the church. I'm saying I would have a hard time if the Pope himself addressed me in a letter like that. That's a good point. It's a lot tougher to be openly disobedient to Jesus Christ. That's a yeah, I mean, look, that that's a good point. Like, and and the thing is, these well, yeah, it's a tough one, man. I'm not look, I'm not, I'm not I I like I understand that, right? The like these men, especially like that's why I said last episode, part of me is like, go ahead and do it. Like, I I like that the society is a sign of contradiction that the church has to contend with. I like that they have a structure to them and that the way they operate actually is something for the the Vatican to contend with, like they have to deal with it and they have to face these changes, and they're the only ones that have like institutional power to confront these issues. I'm just saying, if the Pope wrote me that letter personally, I don't know if I could do it. Like it's just it's coming from the the Bishop of Rome, you know. I don't know, it's a it's a hard, it's a hard one. I'm not yeah, that's a hard one. So, all right, let's get into Pagliorani's response. Um let me say. I got it

Pagliarani’s Reply And Pastoral Stakes

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right here. Okay. Uh, holy most holy father, thank you very much for the letter that your holiness so kindly addressed to me. I have been deeply touched by your paternal solicitude. For a long time, I had hoped to have the opportunity of meeting you in person in order to express to you directly our sincere desire to serve the church. Unfortunately, that opportunity has not presented itself. I ask only that you consider the sincerity of this intention, which is in no way feigned. Paradoxically, in the present circumstances, we believe it to be our very duty to do everything possible to mend Christ's seamless garment. So that's like you see the way Leo used it, and now Pagliarani's actually responding to like that is the proper usage of that term. Uh, torn by forces and pressures incompatible with a truly Catholic spirit. I ask only that you consider the authenticity of this intention before making a decision concerning the society of St. Pius X. It is not yet too late. Far be it from me, far be it from us to separate ourselves from the Roman Church. We desire, on the contrary, to serve her by means that are extraordinary, as one would assist a mother in distress who require particular help, even if such help is not understood by everyone. Yet I am certain that the Holy Father can understand it. The Holy See has shown itself capable of understanding very complex situations and of allowing time for discernment. But I therefore filially ask your holiness to take the time necessary for that discernment. If my own words are not sufficient, I would ask you to reflect upon two very simple facts. First, in the eighty eight in 1988, the society was already declared schismatic for reasons and circumstances entirely analogous to those of today. Yet after so many years, we are speaking together as a father and his son. Your holiness is paternally urging me to avoid a schism which theoretically has already taken place. Does not your very attitude, whose paternal concern I deeply appreciate, constitute proof that the society is neither schismatic nor hostile to the church? It's got a good point. Secondly, some years ago, the Holy See entrusted two bishops of the Church with the task of engaging in dialogue with the Society of St. Pius X, Bishop Hounder and then Bishop of Chor, uh now deceased, and Bishop Schneider, auxiliary auxiliary bishop of Astana. Both, after taking the necessary time for dis discernment, recognized the profoundly Catholic spirit of the society and bore public witness to it. Above all, however, I venture to address your holiness in the name of the thousands of souls who have rediscovered the Catholic faith and the practice of religion through the apostolate of the society. This is a fact of which your predecessors themselves took note. These souls have but one desire to attain salvation through this instrument which divine providence has placed at their disposal. They have suffered and they are sincere. I am confident that your paternal heart, as universal as universal shepherd, will be moved by this very particular situation. One day, all the difficult difficulties between the Holy See and Society will be resolved. A gesture of understanding on your part, far from harming unity, could only manifest before the world and before all Christians your concern for unity and your goodness as a father. I leave all this to your consideration. I renew your I renew my prayers for your holiness. For a long time, even before your election, I have been praying to Saint Rita for a present for the present situation. I saw in the election of an Augustinian Pope a sign of hope. I am certain that the saint will intercede. It will, it is never too late. Please give us your blessing. I take this opportunity to remain with the deepest devotion in our Lord. Man, that because I'm watching both sides like caricature the other. And I'm watching the society say Leo intervened the day before before he had no chance. And then I'm watching guys like Mike Lewis say the uh this is all uh this is all for the cameras on part of the society. And I'm just like, how do you how could your heart not be broken between these two positions, man? It's like, well, not even like I clearly side way more with the society. Like my I just think because Leo's threatening in his letter, he's threatening to take faculties away. Like he's threatening to take faculties away, faculties that were granted by Francis, right? Like, like this is it was like they're taking steps forward with Francis towards, you know. Look, I and and a lot of guys in the society will say, like, who cares if they give the blessing? But there's something about having the papal blessing that even if you guys are still not in canonical regularity, it gives some comfort to the faithful who are like on the fence and they're not sure, and they and like they want to go to the society because that's how they can nourish their faith the best, and they're like unsure. Now, if they see overtures of charity from that from Rome coming towards the society, like that that that's a big thing. And to I don't know, man. My my heart breaks for this whole situation. It's just I I don't I don't see Pagliorani being I hope I'm pronouncing his name right.

SPEAKER_02 36:53

Probably not, but yeah, I mean it's not like you're Italian or anything. Paliorani, Paliorani, if it's if you're gonna try and be real, I don't know, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 37:02

Um, I don't see him trying to rub anything in the Vatican. Like, I really think like you can maintain the irregular canonical status, just give them permission on these bishops so they can continue what they've been doing since 1988. I don't understand. I don't I don't understand the Vatican's position on this. It's like just grant them the bishops. I think they're they're afraid that granting them this will give like uh an overture of approval. It's like a virtue, you know, it's like a a signal of approval, but they can still, you know, it just shows a willing. They give signals of approval for the gayest stuff all the time. I know. I know the things that they get like you think about what they did with that archbishop, that archbishop of Canterbury. Like you talk about like what scandal is is given there. You know, I saw an interesting clip tonight.

Williamson Clip On Novus Ordo

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I put it in the telegram of um of Bishop Williamson.

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Yeah, about the novel Sorto.

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Yeah, it's pretty interesting. I want to play that. Um I want to play that because you you would it shows the difference in in the sete and the SSP exposition really well, right? Because the sets straight up say that the new mass is a new religion, right? But Williamson is like, look, I don't think that every single Novus Ordo Mass is invalid or whatever. He's like it's an interesting clip. We won't play the whole thing, but there's like the first minute or two are really interesting.

SPEAKER_02 38:48

The SSPX does not say that the Novus Ordo mass is not. I think people need to stop saying shit that doesn't isn't real.

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So this is listen, listen to what Williamson said, and he addresses this very thing. So it's it's actually exactly what he's addressing here.

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Yes. Yes, uh I go to Latin House on Sunday, and uh probably announced this, but during the week I come to another quarter mask. Yes in a very very that they have changing that they don't want.

SPEAKER_01 39:28

I understand.

SPEAKER_03 39:31

Yes, okay, yeah, right. Um so pause it real quick. So this is this is a woman who goes to the Latin mass, but she goes to a daily novus ordo, right? And like if you've ever been to a daily novus ordo, it's like a low mass, right? There's no singing, there's not, you know, it's just it's probably one of the most reverent reverent versions of the new mass you're going to find, right? There's no nonsense going on, it's really just the uh it's just you know, it's basically just a quick liturgy of the word and then the liturgy of the Eucharist, and then you know you go. So she asks him, What you know, you'd probably denounce that, but what do you say to that? Can I put it there?

SPEAKER_01 40:13

There's the principles and then there's the practice. In principle, the novel sort of mass is a key part of the new religion, which is a major part of the worldwide apostasy of today, and therefore, the archbishop would say, in public, he would say, stay away, keep away from the new mass. Um you might as well be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb. You might yeah, you might you what's the other what's the proverb? Um, you might as well be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb. If you're gonna steal, then steal a sheep and don't just steal a lamb. What it means is um uh I'm gonna stick my neck out. I'm gonna stick my neck out a long way. And if anybody wants to chop it off, they're welcome. Uh, I would say that in in certain circumstances, like those you mentioned, uh exceptionally, if you're not gonna scandalize anybody, because they they know that you're a Catholic, they know that you are you're sticking to the true faith, and then they see you at the new mass, they may the conclusion that many of them will draw is the new mass is okay because she's going. You've got to be careful of that. So you've got to be careful. Um, I myself don't think that the new mass is always invalid. I don't think that. I don't think the arch official defense didn't think that. It it's there's nothing in the text of the new mass which makes it inevitably invalid. There are people who say so, I don't think they're right. According to Catholic theology, I don't think they're right. I think as you say, that it's very possible that the consecration is for real. You say that it's a priest who says it uh wordily. What I would say is that tomorrow there are going to be many novels ordered priests who are gonna come through, while there are gonna be traditional priests who are not gonna come through, exactly on what I've been saying, on the principles I've been saying. Some of the last will be first, and some of the first will be last.

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I mean, look, we don't have to go through the whole thing, but just when Lefebvre spoke, he's saying, like, if you're gonna steal it, if you're gonna if you're gonna get in trouble, like get in trouble, you know what I mean? Like, if you're gonna if you're gonna say something bombastic, say something bombastic, and it's like and the society is saying, like, their position is not that every Nova Sordo mass is invalid, their position is that the Novus Orda liturgy is um uh dangerous. Like it's it and it and look, I don't care what anybody says, the new mask is look at look at all of our upbringing. Like the average person who goes to the Novus Orda, like you're losing your faith, it like, and it's because of the way it is celebrated. I'm not saying the church promulgated something intrinsically you know wrong, I'm saying the way it is celebrated at the majority of parishes, it is something that is harmful to the faith. Like, I you you if you can bring your children to a traditional liturgy, bring your children to a traditional liturgy. But to his point, there's nothing in the theology of the the words of consecration that are not are to imply that it's not a valid mass, right? So my whole point with like the sedes and stuff is, and even even uh maybe guys in the society, I don't know what their position on this is, but to me, the church has the authority to change the liturgy, the church to to not its substance, but like the in the way things are celebrated and stuff. The church has the authority to change the language, the church has the authority to change certain things about it, it can't change, you know, it's intrinsic. form but the church does have that authority and including ordinations and stuff so it's like how can you show me that the in all of all of the ordinations are invalid all of the all the bishops are invalid and what's the what is the solution to this mess that you guys have created by saying this i don't i don't understand how we get ourselves out of something like that and it it just makes it just doesn't make sense to me whereas i gotta run but it's crazy how the assessment of a long island moron and a man with autism is the most compassionate and thoughtful on offer in the Catholic world five stars five stars oh we should do we should do um we should do reviews if there's any new ones there are there are new reviews oh boy um I thought my other one um we aren't at a point in the church where people don't know when when to sit to kneel to stand they don't know the basic posture to take during a mass this is where we are at and it stems from Rome to be fair that no such things existed until the Novosordo came about as far as rubrics there were no rubrics for the laity yeah um look it's just the I I don't feel right speaking about the society because I don't know like I don't attend a society chapel right so I don't I don't like to speak on behalf of them and I don't like saying that I I understand the position I understand they I I understand even them looking at the situation and going our conscience demands we do this yeah like I you you see the insanity coming out of the Vatican and I understand them saying my conscience demands I I have to go on like this and they are not disobeying the pope but they are not dislike they're they're they are seeing it as if it's I'm either disobedient to Christ or the pope because their conscience demands it now if anybody should have compassion to this view it's the modern Vatican right I mean how often do we hear where conscience allows you to do whatever you want yeah I mean you're talking about some of the most insane things coming and they'll and they'll they'll say well if somebody's conscience you know it's the primordial Christ and they have to follow the primordial Christ in their heart and that you know and they've used it to justify people who have had malformed

Why Tradition Revives Faith

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consciences whereas the society guys do not have a malformed conscience like they're seeing the Catholic faith that has been passed on to us throughout the ages and then all of a sudden they're not allowed to celebrate the same mass that was celebrated for thousands of years you know to a degree whatever small changes and stuff um the consecration is not necessarily invalid but the new right itself is harmful to the faith because the prayers and structure are contrary to the teachings of the faith that is the SSP exposition. Yeah I mean I I I think the new right itself can be harmful. I don't say it always is but I just definitely think it can be I mean I think I think the old right is the foundation upon which Western civilization is built I think it's where it's it's what built the western world I hate saying the western world it's what built christom and I think where the new right is built upon if the old if the old right built the the Christian the old world the new right was built by the modern world yeah yeah the opposite way around right like the the old right built the the the old world and the new right was built by the modern world like it it absolutely can be harmful to the faith and most people are harmed by it the especially in the way it's celebrated you think you we've talked how many times about how disordered it is to have girl altar boys you talk about the trans issue that's going on in our culture the same boomers who are freaking out about the trad issue uh the trans issue are then going to a novice order mass where there's girl altar boys and not seeing the connection there not seeing that the church has confused the role of male and female I don't know if it's even right to say the church the hierarchy whatever I you know if I make a mistake it's a mistake it's not it's just like the the the things that the Vatican has allowed have confused the the masses like feminism has crept into the liturgy uh in unprecedented ways like and you you think about how much influence that the synagogue has had on our liturgy like I'm sorry man it's just there there's no culture that is going to be inspired by the novus or liturgy to be built like it's just not going to inspire a new culture the way the old liturgy inspired the old world it's not going to happen. So yeah I I am I don't know it's hard it's hard to not see uh both sides in this one and I and I I think everybody needs to see both sides because I think I think if if your heart isn't like broken by this I think that you're you're missing something because this is this is a tear in the body of Christ somehow even if it's not like an official tear or anything like that. Like it's a it's a tear it between a father and son. You're you're watching a dialogue between a father and son and you're seeing a family in in in agony right like it's just I don't know I it's it's hard for me to not not for my heart not to hurt during this whole thing. The novel Nova Soto Mass is not dangerous like a robber is it's dangerous like a bad security system is that's that's a good analogy. You see who it is Cameron O'Hearn yep very cool yeah um it's just look look I mean we all we all grew up in it we all grew up in it Rob and I are cradle Catholics I was raised in this stuff yeah and the thing is like my faith came alive when I found tradition like that's when that's when like my faith came alive. So I I talk all the time about like you know you don't ever hear like the Sete conversion story where it's like once I came to the conclusion that the Bishop of Rome was an anti-pope my life was you don't hear that. But you do hear stories of people who grew up in the novice order and all of a sudden they find the traditional mass and they're like man I can't tell you how different my life is ever since attending this literal like it helped my spiritual life it helped my relationships it helped everything. But I don't see that with Ceneva contism I'm sorry I see nothing but bitterness when people come to that conclusion bitterness and anger and cult-like behavior where if somebody doesn't agree with you you cast them off and you want nothing to do with them and I can't even talk to this person and that's that's what I see in Ceneva contism so clearly there's there's something going on there and I'm I don't know I whatever man I'm sorry that you guys are left having the opinion of a Long Island construction worker and an autistic gun collector but this is where we're at and it's like I don't you know I I don't know Catholic Esquire I I I freaking love he's in our chat tonight like I'm not I'm not um I'm not even knocking those guys over there I think Steven Cox really does need to work through what he actually does think and I think he needs to come out with a coherent statement of what he what he what his position is because or maybe he should get offline until he's ready to do that no I think he's a very talented writer and I think he's you know whatever I just think to for Chris Jackson to be accusing us of avoiding the question I'm not avoiding anything and I'll have a conversation with anyone did you see he was in the chat earlier no putting words in her mouth again you guys actually think Leo is being sincere in this letter that is a sign that I don't think you understand what's going on with no no no I didn't look dropping it a day before I I don't I'm not saying he's insincere of he could have done this a long time ago I understand all that I'm just looking at the letter itself and the response like I really do think the society really does it's I don't think the society wants full communion right they don't they I think they just want permission to to consecrate the bishops so they can continue their irregular canonical status and I think that's kind of okay I kind of think that's okay I think they should have an irregular canonical status and I think that the the pope should give them permission to consecrate the bishops and I think they should kind of have this this sign of contradiction like I don't I don't think they should be like the indult communities. I think I think they serve a purpose to society I I don't go to one myself but I do think they serve a purpose and I think that God's going to use all of this for his purpose in one day. And I do think there will be a full reconciliation one day too like I do think there will be a restoration of Peter the way Peter was restored after he denied Christ three times like I think that's how the story plays out I think there's going to be a restoration of Peter where he'll once again Christ will say Peter feed my lambs or Peter do you love me you know I love you Lord Peter do you love me you know I love you Lord feed my lambs feed my sheep that's going to happen because that's how the story plays out I don't know when it's going to happen but that's how I see this whole thing playing out but I don't see any any place where I would leave the visible church like I I don't know and I would agree with what Williamson said there that you have to go where you have to go to live a Catholic life right now. And if the only option you have is a novice order go to the most reverent one you possibly can do everything you can to make sure the thing the nonsense in that liturgy are not ruining your children's faith because there are going to be things there that your children will see and subconsciously will just you know when you're handing out the Eucharist like it's a cracker subconsciously that has an effect on a person.

SPEAKER_02 54:18

So do everything you can to guard against the stuff that made all of us lose our faith growing up so all right look we'll keep this one short I'm just glad that after tomorrow and you know whatever the Pope Leo does that's gonna settle it once and for all and we never have to talk about this again right there's gonna be one definitely what happened after 1988.

Rerum Novarum Preview And Shift

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Yeah well there's going to be a response from Rome and we're going to see what happens like we're gonna we're going to see what happens um Rob and I are going to do Rarum Navarum on Thursday um part one anyways part one it's going to be a two parter so if you guys uh you know we're dealing with all of the things that led up to the chaos we're in today so that's uh we're gonna do it on Thursday part one of Rare Mavarum um and you know it's funny some of the uh some of the quotes from Leo Francis even earlier from JP2 that people complain about sounding communist I'll tell you right now some of the Rare Navarum is a tough one man rare Navarum is a tough one I'm telling you you guys I I can't I going through it you're just like holy cow were we indoctrinated as Americans yeah that's you holy cow were we indoctrinated as Americans and it is just it's a challenging encyclical to read I had to buy another book to go along with it to try and like understand it better because there's some stuff in there that you would be like oh this is commie and he's like literally condemning communism a next sentence later. So it's just you know it's it's how capital relates to the worker and it's it's a it's a heavy subject so it's we're gonna have to break it into two parts and we're gonna do a deep dive into it because uh yeah it it's definitely a challenging one Catholics should not have just a capitalist mindset. So we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna tackle that on Thursday um we're going over to locals now locals we got a lot of stuff to do over on locals man my wife crashed my car her car and I got a story for the woman I she she hit a parked car and she calls me hysterical you have to come back there with me and leave a note I'm like why don't you leave a note she's like I can't go back there you have to come with me so I go back and I leave a note oh my god no good deed goes unpunished that's all I'll say at least you're not getting sued this time around like last time around how did you never talked about that lawsuit after the initial thing I had both of my kids got an accident that maxed out my insurance policy a hundred thousand dollar liability coverage both of my kids within six months of them beginning to drive my son first and then my daughter so I can't put another one through insurance so I have to pay for this one cash it's just it's a yeah it's just a scratch you can buff it out it's just a scratch you can buff it out I'm going to see Sebastian Batiscalco in two months so yeah we'll save it for locals we're doing it over on locals all right guys meet us on the other side oh my gosh Rob just got booted from the stream now I have to take us out let me see if I can find a song oh he's back he's back guys button I thought I was gonna have to figure out how to end this thing all right take us out Rob play a song bring us over to locals well I'm gonna I'm gonna take us out make sure we're on locals and then play the uh oh we got Taffy's video we got Taffy's we got Taffy's video which I have not seen you guys will not want to miss it on locals so hold on let me get the the link for locals real quick for everyone I can't believe ocean didn't get banned or a timeout this episode I mean they're still locals I've never given him a locals timeout that's because you don't know how I do I can do it from my computer I almost did last episode I almost gave gave ocean a timeout last episode on locals guys and for those of you who are not on locals it's five bucks nobody still charges five dollars everywhere else is eight bucks twelve bucks rob and I have kept it at five we call this foreshadowing by the way yeah it's going up rates are going up soon because not enough of you are coming over there and this is the only way we keep the lights on at this place so is ocean about to get the boot ocean nah can't ban me over here oh really ocean let's see timeout timeout for we'll give him one minute just to show him I can just find that ocean for a minute ocean you got a one minute timeout all right take us out Rob okay I'm just gonna cut the streams here okay Facebook gone YouTube gone twitter gone rumble the SSPX sub is so hard you make people mad no matter what you say it's no matter what you say you make people mad and it's like everyone demands that you have an opinion on everything I don't even care about that but I just want the society guys to understand the set is not your friends like you guys really need to understand they're not your friends like at all and I have I have a ton of friends that go to the society and I love those guys and I they're just normal Catholics

Locals Intro And Outrage Fatigue

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to me.

SPEAKER_02 59:47

The SETIs I don't know man I tried I've tried with them but they're just too much for me all right let's see this Taffy video okay um Taffy sent one without the intro part but I didn't that was during the show so you have to sit through like 20 seconds for a normal intro yeah and then then uh Ant's gonna hate this so here we go.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:42

Let them drink debt and despair The Jews and poison this well they poison these people then the answer for the innocent no mercy for the people avoiding Babylon I can't believe you traded me up with John Deloney look like John Deloney.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:27

All I know is if if people wonder in a couple months why locals price went up because Taffy blew the whole year's budget for intros on tokens for that one generation literally was just about to say he had to spend a hundred dollars on that 158 I bet you this freaking kid is spending that kind of money making intros money and time like now first off did he expect that to play on YouTube like that's like a it was like an eight minute it was three minutes three minutes of us fighting anime Jews no Taffy we can't play that on on YouTube young man holy cow man unbelievable this show with the goblins the the green gods he said he said it was cheaper than yeah they were Jews yeah they were Jews the the goblins and gig um holy cow man um so race war I uh dude I am fully convinced okay so Rob and I had a little back and forth on Twitter like a week or two ago because I I I feel like they are manipulating us through the algorithm to like I mean look there's already tension between between all these different groups and stuff but right my algorithm is just flooded and I I know we've talked about this before but it feels like we're being manipulated to just the fatigue is on a new level man and you do have to understand not everyone has your feed though I but I see it everywhere man it's not just like when I'm flipping through videos like people are reposting this stuff and it's I mean and it happens so frequently and it's really happening. But

UK Scandal And Who Gets Blamed

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that's your feed I guess it's still we don't all have the same for you tab huh no trust me there's way more guns on mine than yours um all right but either way you had you had uh put out a video about the um the you did your truck rant talking about the the rape or the this just the stuff going on in England. Yeah so they they had like the rape commission came out and all these black men were were raping it was like a quarter million girls were raped over time and you put out your video like questioning like how long basically will the UK men tolerate this, right? Yeah. Well, I mean it's already been 70 years. So so my my point on the whole thing, I think where we got into a uh a like the contention was that I was saying like I don't forget the forget I we had the disagreement before that that truck rant and stuff and before the rape commission came out and all that stuff. I I was saying they were talking about like uh going to war with some of these or like violence happening between the immigrants coming into the UK and stuff. And I don't think violence against the immigrant groups is going to fix the problem. Like I think that the only way to actually fix the problem like if there's going to be and look this is all hypothetical we're not encouraging any kind of anything my point was basically that if you're if you want to actually like fix the situation and and come up with something new like your target has to be the people that are enacting this stuff like opening the borders it has to be going for the elites that have orchestrated this whole thing because they orchestrated it for a reason. They opened the borders to allow these foreigners to come in and now they're orchestrating animosity towards each other so that there is violence. So basically seems like we are playing right into their hands if there is violence between these groups. Okay but so say you replace one group of elites with the opposite group of elite you still have tens of millions of foreigners to you need to remove from Western nations right so at that point there will still be violence but they seem to be orchestrating the violence anyway like it seems like this was the intent all along open the borders and then cause chaos in these nations so that there is violence amongst these groups so I'm saying like until you until you make them feel the pain of this stuff because they are all insulated from it they all live in their gated communities they've done everything possible for decades to prevent violence yeah that is an interesting right so so yeah I'm not I'm I'm not prolong it until it's to the point where it's you know what I mean like I it could definitely possible I'm not I'm not saying that I that I think it's impossible that they're helping to cause violence and instability right like because they very well could in order to enact some more draconian measures on their part of course yeah because that's always what they that's always that yeah that's what it seems like the ultimate plan is to me right right there I think that's just how they I think that's how they react to everything. I mean you know uh Saulinsky as that um don't ever let a good crisis go to waste right so I don't think they're necessarily manufacturing these crises because are they definitely allowing them to happen oh and encourage like passively encouraging them yeah I definitely I definitely think so but I think generally these people aren't um especially over such a wide scale listen here's how I'm seeing it they've allowed this influx of of the third world into all western nations right no they did everything they could to prevent and telling us for for generations telling us love your love you know treat others as you want to be treated they're harmless don't worry now all of a sudden I'm watching the algorithm and it's like they allowed citizen vigilante on freaking Amazon Prime dude for only two days for a few days on X only a few days you could go watch citizen it's gone off prime yeah it's gone off of everything I saw it yesterday on Prime I guess they took it down i i think it's gone on i think it's gone from everywhere well in certain countries they finally got rid of it i know that but i'm pretty sure you can still watch i saw it yesterday okay but you even then you i you i don't think people like bezos and theel and elon are the same group of elites as the elites that have let people yeah people in for decades so it's it's the number one rental number one rental on amazon prime right now you can still rent it are you sure you sure you could still I'm looking on prime right now looking on prime right now new movie number one on Amazon okay yeah so you might be right though it might be a different set of elites right like but even even the thing with Elon taking over X the whole thing of them even letting him take it over seems so like it was like oh I'm doing it for free speech no he wasn't he was doing it for the data like this man wants to rule the world like this man to rule the freaking world and he must it made it like oh I'm buying it for four twin to make like all of us bought into that like I remember when it was happening we're like yeah Elon's buying X and it's like dude we are so easily manipulated by by propaganda and story it's nuts like but why did they let him do you not think you are being could fear of conspiracies not be manipulation to keep you from acting of course I think I think that's kind of I think that's part of it right like keeping us in constant state of not knowing what's real we we we need to stop reacting to whatever we think this group of leads are doing or that group of elites are doing or what the Jews are we need to stop reacting and figure out the best like the course of action we need to take and take it regardless you think that is is that's what I was kind of getting at right like so I think I think the best course of action is to take it dude hypothetically like the freaking politicians that have voted for this crap they're the ones that gotta pay the price for it and then you deal with the like if you don't make it there where they're like shit close the border we have to close it like this whole thing with birthright citizenship right like Trump voted in Amy it's all Catholics that voted for this that's sickening all women all Catholics that and they are following the lead of the Pope with this immigration stuff you know it's kind of nuts it's just I don't know and then and then I'm looking on the world stage right and I'm like the Iran thing I'm almost at the point where I think we have to we had to we need to uh sue for peace with Iran and remove the sanctions because the sanctions were so severe that they were just selling all their oil dirt cheap to China. Yeah

Iran Ukraine Russia And AI Arms Race

SPEAKER_03 1:12:57

like like that's literally what was happening Iran was just selling their oil for like 30 bucks a barrel 10 bucks a barrel to China and China was just taking all their oil because they couldn't sell it to anybody else because of all the sanctions. Same thing with Venezuela that's what Venezuela right and I just feel like we are the whole world is gearing up for this big conflict man. Like you see Russia and Ukraine are heating up again that whole thing's happening you you Russia's now talking about because Europe is supplying Ukraine and manufacturing these uh their their missile systems and stuff they are talking about bombing infrastructure like these facilities where they're making weapons in Europe then you have a once you violate the NATO thing now NATO has to go to war with Russia. It just seems like all this stuff is gearing up for war with China and Russia in a couple of years. No one alive and most of our grandparents even never lived in a world um where countries truly acted in like their own self-interest right like like everything we we've ever known about the world has been in the American and European led liberal world order and we just assume that's the way the world operates operates or should operate right and and everything we've thought about or taught about history is that more or less prior to America getting involved in world war one and world war two and setting everything right like the whole world was was just a a mess right and and and kingdoms and monarchies were a mess always fighting each other for you know the whatever and now we're seeing the world reverting back to to to just a realist state the downside is is the world industrialized and modernized yeah under a liberal order with you know with liberal global institutions keeping the order and we've never seen a a realist world with modern weaponry so I mean that like should we be scared that Russia is actually acting in its own interest and that China's actually acting in its own interest no that that should be how countries act right within reason but we should be scared that we're all learning how to do this again with nuclear weapons in play but not just that Rob like how do you even get out of Russia or and Ukraine how do you even get out of Iran like you can't just pull out of East America America like you can you can if you're if you're like we definitely can if we're willing to actually care about our own self-interest more than Europe's you can't just pull out of Iran and say or not Iran Ukraine and be like Europe I'm sorry you got to deal with this yeah you gotta you gotta actually protect yourself you know and and you can just obviously pull out of our pull out of Iran make a separate deal with Iran and say Israel hey sorry deal with it you know it see it seems like the battlefront right now is transforming so quickly with drone technology and stuff seems like the next Manhattan project is basically the AI race and all of these countries are like that's why there's so much infrastructure and money being poured into AI. It's not even like this get rich scheme scheme and it's a bubble that's going to pop. It's like the United States government is like we need to be the first we this is our Manhattan project we need to be the first ones to get there because if we allow anyone else to get there we're all going to be enslaved to whoever else gets there first.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:43

I I think you're I definitely think you're right there.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:45

I mean obviously AI is an artificial bubble right none of these AI companies are making money yet they're being lent you know astronomical sums of money yeah to buy infrastructure and uh and memory chips and processors and graphics card that don't exist yet right because because they haven't literally they literally haven't been produced they're buying years in advance with money they're being lent based on earnings they're not making and it it is all being allowed to be propped up you know by by the government in order to to win to win this race yeah it just seems like they're oh man I thought things were starting to calm down on like like even when we get even when you get excited it's like oh Trump's signing a ceasefire with Iran and it's like none of these conflicts are going to come to an end none of there's not going to be any peace this this is all like what it's the same thing with world war two world war doesn't happen really because nations can't find a a solution to their conflict it happens because people with money decide we need to go to war. Like and they're the ones like pulling the levers of pushing this and pushing this further and pushing this further and it just it seems like we're on a trajectory just like we were in the last century with World War II where certain people have set their hearts on having a global conflict and it's out of all of our hands. Like it's just what world war two is not even not even the good the a great example for that world war one is a better better example you know you have uh the the the the for the Freemasons and the black hand who assassinate you know the the archduke and and Austria you know gives an ultimatum to Serbia and Serbia is guaranteed by Russia and Austria won't back down and Serbia won't back down and Russia of course can't be seen to back down again you know against Austria but Russia's mobilization takes so long that this when they begin to mobilize in order for Germany's plan to work against France which is Russia's ally they have to start to mobilize once they start to mobilize they can't stop mobilizing you know it's it's all these decisions that have been been been made by all these people without yeah you know it's well when you go through even um uh what's his name uh Martyrmeade's uh series on world war two right and he's showing like the tensions brewing within Germany and it's like I don't I don't know how much of it is propaganda and how much to believe but it's like you're hearing Hitler saying he doesn't want war with England. He doesn't want war like he doesn't want war with them but he did just people behind the scenes that just keep pressing like pushing it you know what I mean like you got you got these forces that are just insistent upon world war man and it just you know it just seems like that's that's kind of what happens people people that make decisions I don't even know who they are not you know whatever I'm just it seems like people behind the scenes make decisions that no we're going to war and you know these kind of things happen and then they basically just got to sell the message to us you know and that it's just stuff stuff is getting more and more worrisome that's all I don't know I I'm I I mean especially with the the decision by the Supreme Court today I think that removed the one of the last outs we have before real violence uh in the country and not that it's going to be like um soon necessarily right not not necessarily in the coming weeks or months or even potentially in the next couple of years but with with the the decision by the supreme court saying that birthright citizenship which had been up to now just kind of in practice right kind of just assumed it's now a law of the land it's it's now more or less constitutionally protected according to the supreme court so prior prior to that theoretically Congress could have made a law ending birthright citizenship now with the Supreme Court decision it has to be constitutionally amended which is either by a supermajority of Congress which we know is not going to happen or even less likely um uh a like a a new continental um Congress of the states and uh where the states themselves send representatives um which is is like I said is even less likely to happen yeah so without those two things now every single child that is ever born in the US in the far foreseeable future the anchor baby conversation that Trump started back in 20 I mean it's been going on forever but like the anchor baby it's like people come and they they they come to the US just to have a baby to anchor themselves in here and now there's no way to get these people out because they're citizens their children are citizens. So now

Birthright Citizenship And Civil Unrest

SPEAKER_03 1:22:05

you have both sides are being forced to go to or not not forced one side is definitely going to be forced to go to the extremes uh but like the the liberals and and the the foreigners who want to come here now they know that nothing really can stop them right so they're what they're gonna just it's gonna increase but now the only now the other side the only way to stop it is to take kind of more extreme legal measures like do you just you know any uh pregnant woman um obviously you know gets deported gets her visas canceled that should be a woman anyway like any foreign born woman that's pregnant should not be allowed into our country at all like if you're even a month pregnant you should not be allowed into our country a woman should have to take a pregnancy test if they're visiting the US right but can but now can you imagine the the stories that the media are going to portray of all these yeah pregnant women being you know it's it yeah we you know there was one the possibility of Congress passing a law to end birthright citizenship obviously would have been very unpopular with a large you know half the country but it it would have I think provided you know for this would have been another step in the right direction at least not like if things would have changed overnight anyway it's still still tons of stuff we'd have to clear but it really does just cement into place a horrific practice and now yeah I don't know man this is like we're going to we're going to come to a boiling point it's going to be a like the powder keg is going to blow at some point and I don't know like I like Matt Walsh tweeted out today he's like I'm just super grateful that I got to experience what like America was for 40 years of my life but I'm beyond disgusted about the fact that my children won't get to experience it and I hate the people that did this right like the people that are doing this are intentionally trying to destroy our country and like your our children are not going to inherit the same life that we did and now it's kind of like cemented in and it's just it's it's pretty scary and depressing and I don't know I don't see any of it ending in good I I see I see chaos within the nation and then I see this broader thing happening in the in the wider scope of the world and I'm just like man how does this stuff you I know you weren't ex uh a fan of the expanse right I loved it me too you got me to watch it I loved it yeah yeah I I regret getting you to watch it because you talked in Belter for like three months yeah I remember that I might rewatch that show man it was really good it is a good rewatch and the books the books are actually really good well they're of course better like everything but but you know one thing watching the the expanse or other sci-fi or futuristic stuff like do you remember how they talked about um places on earth like you know Montana was in the North American economic zone oh yeah you know you had uh people from the European economic zone or the South Asia like that's that's all they talked about they didn't talk about nations or anything like that and like with this this birthright citizenship it it like you really do begin to realize like this is really how they want the world to be right like you don't have a nation you just happen to live in a certain economic interest zone.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:41

Yeah right and that that's how much much of the world sees America they don't see us as a as a people with a land and with a culture and with and in many ways we kind of don't have as much of a culture as we should but but they they don't see us as an as a nation they see us as a yeah as an economic zone that they can exploit. Yeah right and that we should just be okay with it like my children shouldn't expect to inherit their own nation they're just going to get the opportunity to live in the American economic interest zone and that is infuriating in a way I I can't even put it into words man I wonder how long this stuff holds together.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:22

Because like like part of the problem is when you're in when you're invading the country with all these foreigners there's nothing that holds you together as a nation there's no it's not that we're not bound by creed we're not bound by worship we're not bound by anything anymore. Nothing binds us except the dollar the dollar and that thing's crumbling quickly man um you are yearning for a church uh let's see what Esquire is saying you're yearning for a church under the authority of the Catholic Pope that you feel comfortable standing behind and defending in a world full of evil and chaos and all you get is a heaping pile of gay recycling nonsense. 100% agree dude like that that's one thing about the uh the encyclical series that we've been going through it's like when you're reading encyclicals from Leo the 13th you're like I would die for this man. I I would go and lay down my life for the church who's fighting the forces of evil in the world and I will go and die for it. And you look at this modern mess and you're just like this my goodness what is what has happened like it's just such a stark contrast from but and then you have to take into account like the church has to operate in this new world too and if you had a pope like Leo the thirteenth speaking from the chair of Peter today they'd murder the man yeah like there's no chance they wouldn't kill the man like that there's no chance they so in some ways like the church had to make some concessions because of the way things were going and the church just like the popes in the 19th and early 20th century are trying to navigate this new world and they're These encyclicals out, but they're still making peace with the new French system of government and the new, you know, they're still having to find ways to because a pope coming out and speaking like that is going to put Catholics in danger. So they're constantly weighing how much danger do we put Catholics in if we're the it's just they're eventually we all thought it would be, especially like um before we all woke up to traditional like woke up to tradition. You just assumed it was going to be the Pope would have your back on moral issues, and the world would find a way to call evil good and good evil, and the church would just suffer persecution, all Catholics who were willing to defend their faith. That's how it would happen. We didn't account for our own hierarchy playing footsie with the evil the way it is, but that's that's what happened in the first century, too. So it shouldn't surprise us.

Collapse Then Rebuild The West

SPEAKER_03 1:29:00

Really, Hellenism. I watched this whole series on um on the book of Daniel, and it was talking about like Hellenization in the in the first century. It was really about like first century Judaism, and um like the like Hellenization was basically like um uh Alexander the Great wanted to Hellenize the entire Greek world, and some of the Jews were going along with it. Like the like first century Judaism was so like uh factionalized. You had so many different groups of Jews in the first century, and it looked a lot like the Catholic world now. Man, it's like you have the Sadducees, you have the Pharisees, you have the Essenes, you have the uh like all these different groups, you have the Hellenists, you have the all these different groups, and they're just like in battle with each other for deciding what it means to be Jewish, and you know, it leads to the Maccabean revolt because Antiochus Epiphanes tries to take over the the temple and the book of Maccabees, and and Mac Maccabees wasn't even the guy's last name, it's like it in um yeah, like the high priest is Jason at that time, that's a Greek name. It's like there's all this Hellenism trying to pervert the temple, and like some Jews got together and fought back, and it's like we're kind of in a similar I kind of see like the SSPX in relation to like what the Essenes were doing, where they were just like, We're gonna go do our own thing and we're just gonna await. We're gonna we're gonna go hide in the wilderness and we're gonna just await the Messiah. And in some ways, I feel like some like that's what trads are gonna end up doing. They're just gonna have to give up the fight with the the church, let the church do its thing, and we're just gonna have to practice our faith like we're in the wilderness, like the Essenes, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:52

It's it's it's gonna get to that point, just be there for when the when it all finally burns down and it has to be rebuilt, it has to be rebuilt, and we have to be there to rebuild it 100%.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:02

Like, we're gonna build we really should be trying to set things up to rebuild after the collapse because the collapse has to come. Like the there can't be a resurrection without a death. There needs to be a death, and even if like I we we all hope that this is just a type, right? So if this is a type, then you expect whatever the hell is happening now to uh die a death of some kind, and then something new gets to be rebuilt in its place. And we have to we have to plan as if that's the case. We don't plan as if the end of the world's coming, we plan as if we need to rebuild from the ashes, pragmatically, like in a in a pragmatic material sense, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:44

You you're yeah, you plan for to be able to rebuild, but in a spiritual sense, you should plan like obviously every every day is your last day.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:52

Remembering the four last things at all times, yeah. Yeah, like in a pragmatic sense, though, 100%. We should be building things and working towards goals that if if there's a collapse, we are the ones who pick up the pieces and we are the ones that get to rebuild something. That's what that's what uh Theo from um the Two Cities uh podcast is always talking about, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:32:14

Like rebuilding as choir says there that's the difference between the SSPX and the seeds set as the SSPX doesn't claim to fix the problem, they're trying to just hold things together until the solution comes. Whereas SEDAs think they fix the problem by declaring that there's been no pope since 1500. 100% yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:32

Look, I'm I I uh I just see the I see I see what the SEDAs do, and they try to show division between traditional Catholics and the SSPX, and and like because they don't really care, they just want chaos because they're like, Oh, you guys are you guys are part of the novice order style. They hate the society the most because the society still recognizes Leo as the Pope, they pray for him in the canon, like that drives them nuts, you know. And it's like what I don't see any other option, I don't see any other option but to do that. It's you know, even if you think all things went off the rails, it's like there's no other claimant to it, and you have to, yeah. Look, we're I don't know, things are a mess. And I I don't, I don't, I don't claim to to know the answers to it. I just I know I've come up with a coherent understanding for myself, and I and it seems to work for me because I'm able to live a Catholic life. My children are Catholic. My wife and I go to the sacraments every week and we make the best of the situations. Nothing like I'm never avoiding questions, I'm never avoiding conclusions. I share what the hell is on my mind when I think it. I'm glad I have an outlet to do that. But I hate when I'm being accused of like like you're afraid of like I'm not afraid of any conversation, I'm not afraid of anything. I don't really care. I I I enjoy these conversations, I think they're fun. I actually think it's good for people to spar it out when you have these arguments and to see what is the correct one. I just I think Cenevacontism is a dead end, and I and like the more I I deal with that thesis, the more I I like bury down on that. It's just a dead end. So um, you guys want to hear my wife's story?

Fender Bender Ethics And Cash Payment

SPEAKER_03 1:34:21

Yeah, oh my gosh, man. So my wife is driving to go to drop my daughter off somewhere, and she tells me this story. She'd be so mad at me if they tell this part. She's like, she calls me like manic on the phone, and she's like, I'm driving. Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:41

Anything that might end up being illegal here, this is all alleged. Is that is that legal hypothetical?

SPEAKER_03 1:34:48

It's it's a little her her her racism came out though. It was kind of funny. It's kind of funny. So she's driving down the block, and she's dropping my daughter off at a gra at a graduation, like not her graduation, the the grade above is graduating. My daughter's going to like her friend's graduation, and it's a tight block, and there's three girls walking down the street to go. And my wife's like, Anthony, I'm driving down the road, and there's these three black girls, and they're shaking their ass, and then another car came, and I was looking at the girls, and I pulled over and I rubbed. She like she rubbed against the car's fender as she was pulling into the spot, and she like scuffed it. And I go, but what is the fact that the girls are black have to do with the story? I'm like, I don't know. Like, why are you pointing out that they're black? Like, it could have just been there was three girls, but why did you put that? She's like, I don't know. Like she didn't, she didn't mean to, but she just had to point out that. So she scuffs this woman's car and she leaves and she's like, What do I do? I'm like, Well, how bad is it? I'm like, is it is I'm like, did you actually damage the woman's car? She's like, I think so. She's like, we have to go back and leave a note. I'm like, all right, so go back and leave a note. She's like, I'm not doing it. You're coming with me. I'm like, all right, fine. She comes and picks me up. She's like, I'm she's like, we have to leave a note. I'm not going to confession for this. I'm not missing maths again. Because I'm like, we had a couple of weeks ago, we missed mass. We had to go to confession. She's like, I'm not doing that again. We just went to confession. Let's just go and write the note. So I leave the note in the woman's car. The woman calls me and she goes, I didn't even notice if I didn't see the note. And you're like, God, no. So she takes it to the shop. It's a thousand dollars to fix. So now my my two old my two older kids both have accidents. What's your deductible? A thousand dollars. Right. So yeah, there's no, yeah. I have a thousand dollar deductible. So it's it's like 986 or something to damage, you know. And I'm like, all right, it's a thousand bucks. I'm paying that no matter what. Yeah. So um I'm like, my my two older kids have maxed out my policy already. Both of them have a hundred thousand dollar liability accident where they got maxed out. I'm like, I'm not reporting this to my insurance, I'll pay it.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:12

So I'm like, someone goes, uh oh, here comes the GoFundMe bitch.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:17

No, I'm not, I wouldn't do that for this. Um, I go, so the woman sends me the estimate, and I go, look, here's the money I send her on Zell 986 bucks. I'm like, just go get the car fixed. She goes and gets an estimate and she calls me back. She goes, It's going to take them a week, and especially over the fourth of July weekend, so I have to rent a car, and that's going to be another $400. And I'm like, is this woman kidding me? I'm like, so I texted Rob, I go, Look, if I already pay for the damage, like, am I obligated to like I I I paid to fix the thing, so I have to rent her a car now. If I didn't send her the money on Zell, you gave her cash, and I just like met her and gave her cash, I'd have to block that woman and never talk to her again because I I've I made reparation for the damage, but because I paid her on Zell, she has my name and all that. I'm like, I'm like, listen, can you do me a favor? Can you at least see if they could do it next week so that you don't have to rent the car for a full week? And maybe they could slip it in next week, especially over a holiday weekend, a holiday weekend. So the problem is car rentals charge triple during holidays because everybody's renting cars to go home and all that. She's like, Well, I really don't want to leave the car to get rusted where it's scratched, and all this woman, like oh my, it's like, lady, you didn't even notice, you didn't even notice the thing. I did, I did like she even said to me, She's like, you know, anybody else would have never left a note. You're so kind. Then she tells me, My granddaughter has leukemia and I have lung cancer, and everything's just been so hard for me. And I'm just like, Oh, you poor woman, we'll pray for you. And and now she's hitting me up for $400 car rent on this woman. And I'm like, $1,400 because my wife is looking at some black girl's ass. It's not paying attention to the road.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:07

Like, you gotta be kidding me. See, they owe us reparations, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:13

Oh my goodness. Oh man. Um, uh, a lot of you aren't ostracized because you're trad based, you're ostracized because you're unlikable, under socialized losers who confuse basic social failure for person and personal wait, basic social failure and personality problems for being persecuted visionaries. That was a good tweet. He's honest right. Uh just offer a driver where she needs to go. I'm working all day. Believe me, I hate that she drives, man. I hate that this woman drives. If you saw the I mean, Rob, you got your car within four days. Your wife banged it up. It's just every I have so many dents of my. My wife had one insurance claim when somebody else hit her, and other than that, it's just my two kids. Like, neither of us have ever had like major accidents, right? She's she doesn't crash, she does things like this. Like, she doesn't she doesn't hold on hold on. How would you describe what she did to your garage door? Yeah, like but things like that. That's like no things like didn't do it. Yes, she did, but things like hopping out of the car while it's still in drive and forgetting to put it in park. She does things like that where it like rolls into the car in front of her, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:40:40

There was there was one time last year where I I had to stop over my mom's run in and either give her something or get something. So I I I pull up, I run in, I come out, I get into the car, go to put it in reverse, realize it's still in drive from when I got out. I'm like, oh lucky. Is that just a small thing?

SPEAKER_03 1:41:04

Well, that's what my wife did in the driveway. She hopped out of the car and it's on a slight incline, so the car didn't move when she first got out. Yeah, and then she went in the house, and next thing you hear is the car just crushed in the garage door. I wanted to strangle her for that one, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:22

Oh yeah, so she does John Deloney. My wife was looking at black girls behind, so I have to pay insurance payouts. Should I divorce her for this?

SPEAKER_03 1:41:30

No, he he would say she should divorce you, she should divorce you. Yeah, how could you even call into this show and complain about your lovely wife? She should divorce you. That was a funny bit I was doing last week. I was with any any John Deloney. A woman calls up, she's struggling because her brother comes out as trans. Have you considered divorcing your husband? That might fix it. Yeah, it's just, oh my gosh, man, this stuff never ends. This woman. Man. She goes, uh, she goes, um, she's like, you're not gonna talk about my my accent. I go, I have so much to talk about tonight, I'll probably never get to it. Don't worry about it. Looks like I did. Um, we did have other things in the in the thing though. Hold on.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:25

John, I'm about to be excommunicated because I go to the SSBX. Have you tried divorcing your wife?

SPEAKER_03 1:42:30

Have you just they are they it is a very memeable um format.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:37

My husband is an AB super van spending all her money on local. Yeah, that was the best one.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:42

Um yeah, that Williamson clip is really good too, man. We could have probably played that one for a lot longer because that Williamson really was so good.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:56

Yes, we talked about Janet Smith guys.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:59

Well, the Janet Smith thing is just nuts to me because shit, like shit, the same thing with we're we're kind of semi-private now.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:08

You do I am I remembering right that you told me she was a crazy uh Zionist woman?

SPEAKER_03 1:43:13

No, not a crazy Zionist, she's crazy with Charlie Kirk conspiracies, dude. Like she's obsessed with Candace Owens, like obsessed with Candace Owens and all these Charlie Kirk conspiracy theory, dude. The so like for the first half hour I was talking to her, it was like a really good conversation, and then she just all she wanted to do me was show me Charlie Kirk conspiracy stuff. She went on with she went on with Catholic unscripted, and they talked for like a half an hour, and then she just all she did was talk about Charlie Kirk conspiracy stuff. They took the episode down, they took the episode down because they were like, She looks like a crazy person, like not like they were in bad, they felt bad for her, they didn't want her to look bad, so they took the episode down. But it's the same thing with Altman, like Altman. I spent time with you down in Florida, and then you go and you promote the freaking article of Chris Jackson taking shots at me. It's like, do people not understand interpersonal relationships? Like, we just spent three days together, we went to mass together, we drank gin together, like the two of us were doing shots at tequila together, and then you go and you trash me publicly on your freaking on your Twitter platform? Are you kidding me? Like, I had to take shots at him too. I don't understand these people, like I think that whole group hates me, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:27

If if if Janet Smith doesn't cool it, can I have Catherine send me the video they did with her and then clip all of her craziness together? Yeah, of course.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:36

Please well, I don't know if they'll be okay with it, but um I that that group down there that invited me down there, they hate me, dude. They have to because they're all taking shots at me. And it's like I don't know why, but I don't think I I don't think I I don't think I don't think I was uh I don't think I uh there were fans. I don't think they were avoiding Babylon fans.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:00

They're all about 30 years older than our average uh audience.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:04

But I went down there with good intentions. Like I wanted to meet all of them, and I want, but like it just they didn't seem to like click with what I was trying to explain to them. Like they were they were interested in the Jewish stuff. They were like really interested in like why is everybody so obsessed with the Jews, you know? But they buy into the they buy into the narrative that it's only Muslims that are the problem. And they they like and I'm not saying Muslims aren't a problem, Muslims are clearly a problem, but they they don't they didn't want to really get into like the real issue at hand, which is what we discussed on this show for months leading up to me going down there, which was the enmity between Jews and Christians and the seat of the serpent and the seat of the woman. And I went down there and tried to talk to them about that. I even uh I read a Michael Matt tweet during my talk because Michael Matt put this tweet out talking about how younger people all they do is complain, they need to pick themselves up by their bootstraps. And I was like, look, this is why you guys don't have a younger audience, like this is why nobody listens to you guys because you guys don't have any empathy for the younger generation at all. Like, you can't see the struggles that the younger generation is having and just the hopes of owning a home one day. Somebody posted a video of homes that you could buy for 150,000 in Detroit, and I'm like, that same exact house would sell for 800 grand in my neighborhood. That same exact one-story little shack in Detroit that's 150 grand, 800k in my neighborhood. I bought my house for 330,000, I think I paid for my house, 330 grand, and back in 07. Like, my kids have no shot at owning a home on Long Island, like none whatsoever. I'm I'm thinking, like, what am I gonna have to buy? A compound? Oh my gosh, the AI image.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:57

What my wife looking at the window at the black girl, except uh his his wife is a uh good uh blonde-haired German blonde German girl I married.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:12

Freaking stubborn broads, these German broads. Um the uh yeah, uh I was I just got sidetracked, but yeah, it was just like the um They weren't they weren't uh they weren't feeling it. Uh I have an MS and Chem. Oh my kids finding how yeah, like my kids, I I'm thinking of having to like buy a compound or something to with like to like allow my son to like I don't know. I'm I or a mother-daughter, maybe maybe I sell my house and get a mother-daughter, but like I anything I buy is gonna be an upgrade from where I am now.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:48

You should buy people, Anthony. I think that's been determined to be wrong. What the hell are you talking about?

SPEAKER_03 1:47:57

A mother-daughter ranch, like a high ranch that has uh like a a like almost like an apartment upstairs and an apartment next to the city.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:05

Oh, like a mother-in-law apartment.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:06

Okay, yeah, like but so like a high ranch on Long Island, you when you walk up to the front steps, staircase goes up, and there's a first floor, right? So like the first floor would be have a full kitchen, have like you know, all the level split level, and upstairs would be a full house, downstairs would be a full house, but anything I would get would be like an upgrade that would I can't afford, so I don't even know how to do it. Or I have to move out of state, which is like I think I have I think I can retire with a full pension in five years. I won't have social security, I won't have um my annuity, I won't have any of that, but I'll have a full pension. So, like if this show was still going on, though, and we were still doing this, and I sold my house and had enough equity in my house to purchase a house outright wherever I moved, like I might be able to pull it off, you know, and move out of state. Like, I could maybe pull something like that off. That's that's the hope, at least. I gotta get the hell off Long Island, it's too freaking expensive here. Has anyone been following the Sadie Bakanti American Reform debate over slavery? Whoa mama. Um, I think what we're gonna have American Reform on to discuss race because he is really thoroughly researched on all the topics he talks about, but I think what he's essentially getting at is you can't say slavery is intrinsically evil because then keeping people in prison would be intrinsically evil, right? And also not just that, like you could say that like the the chattel slavery and the slave trade, though the West African slave trade, that is intrinsically evil, but the principle of like slave master, like that when you look to the ancient world, it's very different from like even when you when you look in the gospels, when the Roman soldier goes to Jesus and he's like, I have a servant, and he's and he's sick, and Jesus heal heals his servant. It it's it's not like chattel slavery back then. He loves the servant like his own son, he's a member of my household. Yeah, it's like it it's not, you know, so so to say slavery is I think that's what American reform's getting at because no like the popes have never said it's intrinsically evil, you know. It's like there's nuance to that conversation, but then he's also getting at how there is a race conversation to have. And because I saw somebody posting some of his tweets, some of his tweets are very controversial, I'm not gonna lie, but I'd like to get into it with him because he was so good. He's really just he he's if you're looking for like quotes from the magisterium and stuff like that, like he's he's he's like the guy knows his stuff. Um if you guys are white, marry a white. Italians can either marry Jews or Africans. Look, you guys can't say it was okay. Can't say Italians are black. We're very family oriented.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:14

We'll have fathers. We don't say you're black, we say you're African. I'm brown. A lot of a lot of Africa is very family oriented.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:23

That is true. Um yeah, all right. I think we uh I think we wow, still 110 people in in here. Must have been better uh locals than I thought. I hope it was because of the anime. We're not doing that again, guys. Taffy, thank you for your investment into our show intro, man. I don't know what to tell you, dude. Like, I don't spend that much on our show. I don't know why you do, but they are funny and we do appreciate them. Um, I was less annoyed by Cartoon Anthony than I am by when he does like actual AI, Anthony. Like, when he does when he does like actual AI me, I really hate it.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:04

It looks really mean you don't like the zoomer? What about the Asian? Do you like the Asian?

SPEAKER_00 1:52:23

Grandmaster ping pong. I'm telling you, a dog joke.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:29

I like the agent. That one I don't mind. It's I don't know. Some of them I'm just like, oh, this is the zoomer.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:35

You hated the zoomer one.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:36

Wait, Taffy, I sent you a request for an intro video in the chat that involves ocean.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:42

It's not over, guys. I'm all the in they all have the same intro part at the beginning.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:47

I sent um I sent Taffy a request for a Taffy uh for an ocean intro. I would I wouldn't mind uh just a series of ocean stealing things, ocean robbing robbing things. Yeah, for sure. His parents see this show, they're never letting him become Catholic.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:18

Like 10-15 years ago, they're gonna be like, So, what what what made you finally really want to convert? He's like, I was watching this one channel, avoiding Babylon, and so they go back and watch, and there's young ocean.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:29

What kind of racist cult are you joining? Uh Mormons want ocean stealing different stuff than every intro for the next couple episodes. That's all I want. Uh, all right, we're gonna wrap up, guys.

Thursday Plans And Final Goodbye

SPEAKER_03 1:53:45

We love you. Thursday, we're doing rarum novarum. I got uh a lot of study material to dig into.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:50

Do you think how did you want to do that? Did you want to get into the encyclical at all, or just do like the history and talk about the economic systems it talks about? I don't, I mean, I don't know. We could well let's just see how long it all takes.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:07

I'm gonna I'm gonna study as much as I can before we do it, and then you'll do the historical thing unless an intro where ocean is confused what Father's Day is.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:20

No, guys, no, it's too far.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:26

Janet and Chris Jackson were right about you. We love ocean, we love ocean. We're just teasing. You only got a one-minute timeout tonight. I'm very proud of you, Ocean. You behave very well tonight. Um, I don't know, let's play it by ear. We'll we'll see how it goes.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:45

Um, I'm gonna throw the GoFundMe for uh Paul in the the chat here in locals again. So you didn't get a chance too earlier, go uh check that out.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:55

I'm gonna hit that. So, all right. We will see you guys on Thursday.