Avoiding Babylon
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Avoiding Babylon
This can't continue... | Karmelo Anthony, Henry Nowak, and Belfast
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Access to the FULL show on audio!Everything feels louder, harsher, and more exhausting than it used to and we can’t ignore that mood anymore. With Rob sidelined by last-minute car trouble, Mike Pantile jumps in and we go straight at the question behind so many late-night doom scrolls: why does it feel like we’re being pushed toward conflict, and what do we do about it as Catholics trying to live normal family lives?
We unpack how social media algorithms feed rage, amplify the worst examples, and create two competing realities that make basic justice and common sense feel impossible to share. That leads us into the Carmelo Anthony Austin Metcalf case and the way a single story can become gasoline online. From there, we zoom out to the deeper anxieties people are naming out loud now: immigration, assimilation, weakening social trust, and the growing sense that institutions and leaders don’t serve ordinary citizens. We also talk candidly about spiritual drift, materialism, and why many of us feel abandoned by the lack of clear moral guardrails right when the culture seems most volatile.
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A Last Minute Co Host
SPEAKER_11Haven't played that intro in a very long time, but that is OG, man. Rob texts me 10 minutes ago and he says, I can't make the show. And I'm like, wait, what? He's like, dude, I can't make it. I'm having car trouble. And he needs the car to go away. And I'm like, who can I who can make it in 10 minutes? And I'm like, Pantile is the only one that'll come through. You were the first person I asked. I didn't ask anybody else. You were the first one to come through. You answered in minutes and answered the call like Superman, bro. Thank you so much, dude. How have you been?
SPEAKER_12Dude, I've been really good, man. We got to give a shout out and a thank you to my wife, Karen, for holding it down. This time of day or evening is chaos with the kids. She's like, no, go go do the thing with Anthony. I'm like, babe, you're the best. I was gonna you know do it anyways. But it's good to have her not be pissed off while I'm down here doing this with you. What times are you? It's uh a little little past five. The we try to get the kids in bed by like 7:38, but it's like a three-hour, four-hour window time.
SPEAKER_11Yeah, oh, you're in mountain time, so that's right. Um, wow, man. What's going on? What's going on with Pantile, man? What's I I I what are you allowed to like say on air any of the things you've been like dealing with? Like, to are you are you leaving Canada? Like, what's going on?
SPEAKER_12Dude, that's that's to be determined. We're right now in the middle of trying to figure out how to move out to the country. We've had three or four different places kind of fall through, and we're kind of just just sorting that out. I don't know, man. I've often thought about moving down south, it's not super easy, but that's kind of where God has me. But um honestly, man, it's just been I've been tying up with the kids, putting out my YouTube thing, coaching my guys, you know. I just put out a course too, and so I'm just kind of staying in my own little corner of the internet, dude. I'm off X, I kind of go in and out. I'm just done it. I don't know how you do it, dude. It's such a cesspool. After I need to just like detox myself from it sometimes, you know, and then I'll come in and I'll like post for like a couple months straight and then I'm off.
SPEAKER_11We have such different, like um, we have just such drastically different lives, right? Like you're home with your family the whole day. Like, I'm I'm out doing construction in New York City. So most of the time I'm just playing around on Twitter while I'm at work. Like when I'm home though, I I never go on if I'm home. Like, if I if my wife and kids are around, I'm not I'm not on it on weekends. I disappear from it. And I even like lately I haven't been on it nearly as much as I used to be. I used to spend a lot of time in the cesspool, but um, yeah, it's we just we just yeah, we're just very different like that, I guess. But um, man, what's been going? It's been a while since we had you on, man. What have you been up to?
SPEAKER_12Dude, man, it's just been tied up with like I said, with the family trying to find this land, trying to figure out our our living situation. Not that it's like pressing, I just dude. I'm so tired of the cities. I'm so tired of you know, this sounds bad. I'm so tired of immigrants just invading everywhere. I want to be in the middle of nowhere with nobody around me, like Rob. I'm just I'm so sick and tired of it. I just got fatigue from everybody. So I'm just like, I just need to get the F out of here. And yeah, man.
SPEAKER_11Other than that, we all have the fatigue, Mike. That is kind of the topic of tonight's episode. We wanted to talk about the fatigue. Um, what is what is the um news in in Canada like? Like, are you guys seeing the bombardment of the Carmelo Anthony Austin Metcalf thing up in Canada?
SPEAKER_12Yeah, absolutely. It it's it's everywhere. I don't really pay attention to the the Canadian MSM, but but everywhere else, I'm just noticing absolutely everywhere. Friends are talking about it. You know, there's two sides, everybody's crashing out on either side, and it's just it's it's just more the same BS, dude, as you know. That's probably like the headline topic for you guys in the US for sure.
SPEAKER_11It it for for me, it's um I'm I'm just very worried about everything, the way everything is is going. Oh, we do have to talk about this tonight, too. Definitely, definitely need to talk about this tonight. There's uh we have a little update from Carrie Prajama Grady. We should have put her in the thumbnail and let her threaten assume again. But um I'm watching what happened in Belfast, and it's no different for you in Canada. Um, like when I visited Canada, it's the same situation we're dealing with here in the US, but so much of it feels like, especially with the algorithm on social media, that they're feeding us stuff to build this animosity towards the other, right? Like you really like race relations in America have never been at a worse point, and at least online. I mean, I I work in the city and I'm around I'm I'm in like the melting pot, you know, and I don't I don't notice it in person yet, but you just see video after video after video of of cultural clashes just have such a different vision of what a society should look like interacting with each other, and it just seems like things are really coming to a head. Like Belfast, I the the you're talking about uh like the Irish who classically had like tensions with the English and and the Scottish are the all like Scottish, English, and and Irish are linking together and they're like, We've had enough. I mean, they had this Sudanese immigrant come in and try to behead a guy,
City Burnout And Leaving Online Noise
SPEAKER_11and they've lit Belfast on fire, essentially. And it's it just seems like everything is at a breaking point right now. That you you are still kind of in the country where you are, right?
SPEAKER_12Yeah, we're kind of on the uh outskirts of the suburbs, so I mean we're we're close enough, but you know, the tensions here are are just as high. It may be with different races, let's say, but the the problem is the same. It and it it it's hard because it I think so much of it is obviously manufactured chaos, and then the state comes in, or in our case, you know, the the federal government parliament comes in and brings in the solution. And what it is what is it? It's just more totalitarian control, it's the totalitarian Luciferian tiptoe. I mean, we see it everywhere. It it's happening on purpose, and I think it's gotten to the point where it's gotten so bad that I don't see a way out of it personally at this point.
SPEAKER_11No, and I think with the algorithms, the way they're feeding everything to us, I I mean, people are just willing to say things they never would say. You're seeing like, I mean, I have a lot of clips we could go through tonight to just show the there's two different realities that people are seeing things through, right? And this this whole Carmelo Anthony Austin Metcalf thing happened, and we're we're looking at it, and uh you see a a kid at Attract Meet who gets stabbed in the heart for absolutely no reason, and we want justice for that kid who was murdered, and then the black community in America sees that and when justice is actually served. The kid got 35 years, he's gonna get out in 17. He's 17 years old, he'll be out on the streets at 35 years old. He has a chance at a life, and they're acting like they put an innocent kid away. Like I just don't it doesn't seem like the case that should set these tensions off, but they really are. I mean, he's but then again, you're viewing everything through social media, so you don't know, like I said, I don't see anything, it's like I see this stuff on the streets, but you're seeing video after video of people just uh violently attacking like black people are violently attacking white people for no reason whatsoever. It's just this it's it's come things are boiling and coming to a head very soon.
SPEAKER_12Well, when you you're I mean, the the whole operation, because most people are retarded and they're plugged into the hive mind, and you know, the powers that be know that if they can manufacture enough of this chaos, something that is a legitimately open and shut case like this one, um, will still cause division and chaos. And it's playing right into the game, especially with social media. That is where like the where of warfare is happening. That's kind of like ground zero nowadays. So to me, it it it it's unsurprising. It's just like what is it going to what is it leading to? Is it is it civil war? Is it just a complete total chaos upright? I think that's the only logical sort of end point at this point.
SPEAKER_11I think that's what I think that's what is actually happening. I think that they're when I looked at what they were doing with the mass migration into the West, the the narrative was always, oh, they're doing it for votes. I never thought they were doing it for votes. I always thought it was about a disintegration of culture, and it was about bringing foreigners in that have a completely different way of life than we do, especially look. I mean, I have I have uh we have Indian listeners and stuff like that. So it's not I'm not trying to whatever get this broad stroke brush with with everybody, but when you're bringing in people who don't view like they like that you're talking about a an entire country of people who they're like their sole source of income is typically scamming people, right? So now you're bringing them into America, you're bringing them 99% of them are coming in with fraudulent info on these visas that they're coming in with because they're scammers, like they don't view morality the same way we do. They don't see lying as a problem, they don't see stealing as a problem. Then they come in here and it's a total culture shock. Now, this year was the first year we started to notice where you're having Diwali celebrations in America, Diwali celebrations in in England on like massive scale because they've imported so many freaking Indians in one in one shot the way they have, and it's just a completely different culture. Now, even like 20 years ago when we were growing up, it wasn't like that. Like you had even in New York, yeah, you had all you had you had different cultures, but there was like different ghettos in New York City, and like the Spanish didn't mess with the blacks, and the Italians stayed in their neighborhood, and the Irish stayed in their neighborhood, and then everything just kind of got flooded in in the last 20 years, and it just seems like everything is going to come to a head soon. Now, I think they did this on purpose to undermine whatever culture that we had that united us before. Because even 20 years ago, you think about when 9-11 happened. When 9-11 happened, Americans like rallied to the call to go and fight the Iraq war because we felt like we had been attacked. Our our cultural makeup in our countries at this point is so whacked that I don't even think if a foreigner, a foreign attack on our lands would rally young men to go and fight for their country anymore.
SPEAKER_12No, exactly. So the two things. I mean, you import the third world, you're gonna get the third world. I think it all really is a subversion of uh a Christian society, what is the West, but you know, the bulwark of you know morality of the entire world. And so I think the front lines, the frontiers, obviously the United States, it's kind of like the new Roman Empire. So naturally it's all gonna go there and then it spreads up to where we're at. And then you get this this in the last, especially in the last year or two with the JQ, what's happening in the government, the distrust in the establishment and in Trump. I have never seen such a radical switch around from a platform in my entire life. And I was like Canadian mega to the core, bro. I remember that 2016 election, I was rallying for him for years up here, and then now it's like breakneck, dude. Everybody's got whiplash. So this veil has been lifted, nothing happens to the people on Epstein Island, all this other stuff goes down, and so there's a fundamental distrust and then disunity that's like bred, especially in the American people, where you guys
Algorithms That Feed Outrage
SPEAKER_12could rally together on this sort of like common enemy, but now you're like, wait a second, the common enemy is in the White House, it's in the Senate.
SPEAKER_11The Trump stuff, the Trump stuff is amazing because like I work construction, I work with a bunch of like blue-collar guys who were all super hyped about Trump. I mean, it was like you a unanimous thing at in construct in the construction world. Guys were so pumped about what Trump was gonna do. We had this opportunity, we were gonna finally close the border and we were gonna start deporting people and take our country back. Uh, we were talking about it at work the other day, and I was just like talking to like normal guys at work. And I'm like, I'm like, so what do you guys think of Trump? And they all like, and they're not in my world, they're not like they're not like on Twitter the way I am and stuff, and they're all just like, oh man, he's controlled by the Jews, dude. I can't believe it. Like, wild normal guys that are just everyone is just like um unbelievably disappointed in how Trump just seems to be a puppet for Israel. It's kind of crazy. Where the you know, I thought it was more just in our internet world, but it's not. It's it people really do notice and they are very disappointed in it. And the the total turn on support for him. He went to uh the Knicks game the other night and just got booed at the stadium. And it's like, did he really think he was gonna walk into New York City and people would be happy to see him there? Like, he's so used to going to these rallies and everybody being excited for him. It's just nobody cares about him anymore. He's just we're all just hoping his term ends and he gets the hell out of there.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, and then on the other hand, on the state level, what was it? Wasn't it APAC bragging about stealing an election in like Kentucky? Yeah, from Thomas Massey. Yeah, so it's just like it's just flagrant, it's in your face now. They don't care about you, you know. Everything it's it's just like this this small group of uh of men and women at the tippy top that are just shaking hands, making deals, making billions of dollars, and everybody downstream from that, you know, suffers as a result. And so now you've got like rotten cultural identity, you don't identify with the country, you don't have any assemblance of a patria is completely gone. And so when you rob that of people and then you import the third world and you get all this geopolitical stuff happening, I mean that's just a recipe for you know intracultural implosion. And it's uh I think it gets it's gonna get so much worse, man. So worse.
SPEAKER_11Yeah, I do too. I do too. Like, all right, so I'm going to I want to share, we're gonna play a couple of videos. I want to just see. Um I wanna see what you think. Let's see if I could pull this off. I'm always terrible at this, but um hang on. When Rob's here, it goes much faster. All right, let's see. All right, let's see. Um I gotta I'm like jumping screen to screen here.
SPEAKER_06So what it is going to take in order for us to get under from under our oppressor's thumb. They are going to be violent anyway. So why would we continue to be peaceful martyrs to keep capitalism and white supremacy going? We cannot live like this. This is not sustainable. The American Empire is falling anyway.
SPEAKER_12I don't think the audio is playing.
SPEAKER_06Oh, it's not? Are you gonna fall? Are you gonna be a part of bringing it down?
SPEAKER_12You don't hear that? I can't even hear you anymore. Everybody else hears it. You just don't hear it. You hear me? What the hell happened? You guys all heard it, everybody heard it.
SPEAKER_11I'll be right back. Oh no, we lost it. I'm like, I'm like, I'm I'm pretty sure I did this right. Uh it wasn't me. Okay, so for anybody joining late, Rob Rob uh had an emergency come up where his car broke down and uh and he had to bail last minute. So Mike Pantile came through last minute. It's not even me, Fed. It's Mike. I actually handled it properly. It's Pantile issue. Audio is fine. Well, when he comes back, we'll have to figure that out. I got some other stuff we could go over too, though. All right, let's see. Good now. Can you hear me now?
SPEAKER_12Yeah, I switch browsers.
SPEAKER_11Let's do that again and let's see if um let's see if Mike can hear it this time. All right, we're good. I mean, this is just she's just living in an alternate world.
SPEAKER_06What it is going to take in order for us to get under from under our oppressor's thumb. They are going to be violent anyway. So why would we continue to be peaceful martyrs to keep capitalism and white supremacy going? We cannot live like this. This is not sustainable. The American Empire is falling anyway. So you have to make a choice now. Are you going to fall with it, or are you going to be a part of bringing it down and building something that is actually made within the image of marginalized people, most especially black and indigenous people? I believe that black people can be responsible for themselves, govern themselves, create their own systems.
SPEAKER_11But do you um I have so many things that I disagree with? It's not easy. It's just the level of um the level of uh just how the narrative that these people actually believe that it it's it's actually shocking in some cases. Like um this one, let me see if I can pull this one off. Hang on. I got another one. This one, this one was um was actually like appalling to me because it was looking at the um at the same case we all did, and I I actually had to say like we're looking at two totally different realities that these people live in.
SPEAKER_12Um dude, it feels like 2015 all over again. I don't know how this is still a conversation. I mean, that yeah, it just goes to show you the the sort of mainstream IQ, to be fair. I don't know. I have maybe have too much hope in people, and then I see stuff like this. I said, Man, I really live in a bubble, dude.
SPEAKER_11Well, well, that's the thing. You don't know if if this really is that mainstream, or but the problem is there's there's two different narratives being fed to people, right? And we're we'll watch something like I I've noticed this a lot with my ex feed lately, especially. The the way the algorithms work now is they just feed you stuff to enrage you. And like I'll I'll watch this clip and it and it makes me angry. So the ex keeps feeding me stuff like this because it makes me angry. So the people that are on their point of view, they're seeing both this, which they agree with, and then they're seeing the most outlandish white opinions to make them angry, and it's just building this animosity up because they want us to be at war with one another. Like that's just that's just where we are. Uh, listening while I drive 45 minutes to the nearest order parts to what Rob said. Thanks for thanks for uh bailing on me, Rob. Appreciate
The Stabbing Case And Two Narratives
SPEAKER_11you. Um, all right, so let's play this clip. Let's just see what the like this is this woman's take on the Carmelo Anthony story.
SPEAKER_07First and foremost, um, the one thing that I would ask for people to do at this moment is pray for the Anthony family um because they have been legally lynched for the last year. And more so by this slaughterhouse of a courthouse as well as the family of the Metcalf. So wait a minute.
SPEAKER_11The energy Okay, just think about what she just said there. Pray for the Anthony family because they have been legally lynched and they've been tormented by the Metcalf family. The this is this is the family who lost their son who was murdered. Now, Austin Metcalf's father came out originally, and he was tried to make try he forgave Carmelo Anthony, forgave him, then he went to a uh a thing to try to pray with them. Wow and they threw him out. Okay, so this guy came in, tried to extend an olive branch as one father to like as a grieving father going to the other parents and saying, Look, our children got into something. I don't want this to be about race. Like they had an opportunity to make sure this wasn't about race, and that family went and made the entire thing about race, which made the whole situation compounded it, made it a million times worse. Then you get this girl who's supposedly a lawyer, she can't even say the word ask. Let me ask you something. Um, and and this is the stuff that they're being fed. And I mean, it gets worse.
SPEAKER_07Right now, is their white supremacy? They have shown up to be the pigs that they display with hate. They are celebrating the loss of life and a loss. Of freedom. So that's the energy. We have a devastated family who didn't know that they were going to have to let their son go back into a holdover because we have an overzealous prosecutor who lied throughout this trial, who put on liars as witnesses in order to be.
SPEAKER_11All right, Mike, did you see any of the trial? Like, did you see not not see it because it wasn't it wasn't broadcast or anything, but did you hear any of the witness testimony? I did not. The witness testimony was so brutal that even the defense's witnesses that they brought on that they tried to make it seem like um tried to make it seem like there there could have been some angle of self-defense in this. When they were on cross-exam, the the prosecutor came in and asked them a few questions, and it totally unraveled their story. And then they asked the defense's witness, the prosecutor asked them, Do you think this was self-defense? And the defense's witness said, No, I don't. Do you think this was a case of murder? Yes, I do. Like the most in these are the defense's witnesses, right? The other thing you have to really take into account is that he didn't take the stand, okay? Like when you go, when you look back to the Kyle Rittenhouse case, do you remember Kyle Rittenhouse case? Like Kyle Rittenhouse, he Kyle Rittenhouse, he he shot three people, and he wound up claiming self-defense, and he gets off, but he gets on the stand and has to tell his version of events, right? So now this prosecu uh this this defense attorney had to see uh Carmelo Anthony and say, we cannot put this kid on the stand. Like this kid had to be so bad at telling his version of events that the the the defense attorney was like, we cannot put him on the stand. He couldn't even get up on the stand and say, I'm so sorry about what I did, nothing. Like he he he could they couldn't put him up there because the slightest chance of cross-examining him would have been such a disaster for them. Like this kid was such a uh such a freaking animal. I mean, he stabbed the kid for no freaking reason whatsoever, right? And and they must have come to the conclusion that if we put this kid on the stand, it's going to completely torpedo our case, which you know it wound up being torpedoed anyway. But uh, I don't know, man. I just I just think the people that are watching it from the other end, without even looking into the events that actually went went down, without looking at the case whatsoever, and just seeing this from a purely racial perspective, it's just going to get to a point where it's just the she's right, this stuff isn't sustainable. This can't go on the way it is.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, he was easy, not not only uh was he just an animal, but I think a part of that is the fact that he probably looks like I mean you just look at him in the eyes, he's got like room temperature or lower IQ, yeah, easily for sure. The guy probably can't even formulate a sentence properly. But this is just classic like weaponization of like bipartisan politics, dude. The fact that this is getting so much coverage and it is meant to inflame people. As a as a I would say somewhat rational male, looking at this, I don't understand how somebody could misconstrue it. But because we've just been so the woke mind virus has spread to such a degree and we've been so um de-Christianized by all angles, even a lot of these people on the opposing side probably call themselves Christians, but effectively are materialists. Yeah, that's all they are. There's no, I think that's really at the heart of the issue is it's just a materialistic, even if some of them call themselves Christian, it's not a Christian nation, it's a materialist, you know, post-modern nation. There's no recognition of the reality of the metaphysical, and then when you get that, there's just this overton window that shifts so quickly and snaps your neck. So that I don't know. This doesn't surprise me. It feels like 2015 all over again, but then doused doused in gasoline post-COVID, post what's happening with Trump and Israel and the JQ.
SPEAKER_11Man, the scariest part is that, like, look, it is a good Christian impulse to have empathy, right? Like that actually is a good thing. So, like the the idea of somebody's um even even getting back to the immigration issue, right? There's there's something about somebody's down, you know, somebody's escaping something dangerous from their own country, or uh, you know, somebody somebody's just coming to America looking to make a better life for themselves because they're coming from a third world crap hole. Like the the impulse for us to be kind to that person and welcome them into our into our borders and and treat them with dignity and respect, that is a good Christian impulse. But that good Christian impulse is being weaponized against Christians so that if we notice anything like we're seeing right now, they're accusing us of being far right, extremists, and hate-filled and and racist and all these things. And it's such a vile thing to accuse us of because we all have children growing up in this world, and we want to have a country to hand on to our children. And then you have even our own hierarchy in our church telling us that we need like it's just this never-ending thing of no, you just have to keep being okay with this stuff. And if you if you protest it in any way, you're the problem.
SPEAKER_12Well, that's exactly it. And to people in the comments, I voted for Alberta secession, by the way, and separation. So my whole family did, just to buy the way. I live in Alberta, I very much support separation. But on the other, on the other side, you know, if we we've been so uh brownwashed about the history of, let's say, even the Crusades, if those men, and it was an overwhelming loss, but a net W because the West wasn't Islamized. I mean, it is happening now, but if it wasn't for that, that those men and women holding the line at that time, I mean, we would have been a full-on Sharia law, you know, Islamic state sort of thing. And so for us to expect that history not to repeat itself, but this time, like the enemies are within the walls already. They've penetrated, they're they're here. So now what do we actually do? That's the question.
SPEAKER_11Well, that's actually well, all right. So when we get to Belfast, we're gonna get to Belfast in a few minutes because that's kind of what I see happening in Belfast is where once the church would call that crusade, right? Like the the invaders are coming into Christian lands, the church would call that crusade, the Pope would call that crusade, and we would defend Christian lands. The Pope is kind of impotent on this issue and telling us we need to be okay with it, and then you know, slightly pushing back and saying countries need to do better. The countries of origin where these people are coming from, they need to like oh no, can you still see me? I can oh my power just went out. Oh no, oh, did it? I think I can fix it. Well, just my just one. Oh my gosh. My my son better go turn that back on for me.
SPEAKER_12Yo, man, since I got on here, it's been nothing but problems.
SPEAKER_11What's what's no, it's because my son's gonna take care of it. Don't worry, I've had faith in him. Oh, there we go. Done. Praise God. Uh oh no, no, my lighting will messed up. Oh my god, yellow. Holy cow. All right, let's see. That's the wrong one. Wait, all right, sorry, guys. Do that, and then all right, that's a little bit. Oh my gosh. All right, so um, yeah, so instead of the I'm surprised the whole stream didn't kill. Yeah. Um, but no, what happened was like all my lighting went out and my main screen, but my my laptop was still on battery, so luckily I was still able to hear. But um, so in Belfast, what's going on? You know what? Maybe we'll do that first.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, do it.
SPEAKER_11Um, it's dangerous the way it's happening. Um like what what I see happening is actually a little uh it's kind of dangerous and worrisome. So because if it was called by the church, it would be done properly. But because it's being done like this, it makes me so let me uh let me see. Bear with me, guys. It's happening. All right, here we go.
SPEAKER_09All right, so about what they're going to about what they're gonna say. All right, so this is the ICA.
SPEAKER_01The ICA just citizens of Ireland, we address you tonight with a heavy heart, but with a firm resolve. We are the Irish Citizen of Army, also known as the ICA. We created the rebirth of the ICA of 1913. We are all citizens, fathers, mothers, sons, and daughters, driven to finally take action on the intolerable corruption which is forced on us by the Irish and British governments. We also believe that the British government has no right in Ireland, has never had any right, and never can have any right. We represent all of Ireland's 32 countries. We refuse to witness the suffering of our citizens. Our Irish citizens refuse to be treated as second-class
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SPEAKER_01citizens on their own island. We the ICA refuse to witness our heritage and culture being erased. We refuse to witness the suffering and killing of innocent Irish citizens. We the ICA will fight for Ireland. We the ICA will take the necessary steps to achieve our goals.
SPEAKER_08So, I mean, dude, this is like scary stuff because when it's our plan is like uh to take action on the injustice of Irish citizens and to fight for a fair, free, and independent Ireland.
SPEAKER_11Look, people are fed up, man. People are fed up they want their freaking country back. Like they're tired of they're tired of um the government continuing to allow this stuff to happen. So now these vigilante groups are popping up and they're trying to form their own crusade, essentially, right? Because what they're but what's going on in Belfast worries me because what they're doing is torching neighbor torching neighborhoods where I think the immigrants are, right? And in some respects, a lot of those immigrants are just innocent in that they're falling for the propaganda because I think a lot of this stuff is coordinated. I don't think these people are just coming to to Ireland for no reason, like they're just like, oh, I'm just gonna go to Ireland and invade. No, they're being told in their home country, oh, come to Ireland because we have all these programs and you're gonna get free money and all this stuff. So they're being propagandized too. Then they come there. Some a couple of the people that come are complete maniacs and degenerates, and that, and then they're firebombing the neighborhoods where these people are, and that's not going to change anything. It's going to bring a bigger crackdown on the Irish. I think the only way to actually do something, I'm speaking hypothetically here, of course, of course, but you need to make the politicians who enacted these plans, you need to make them feel the pain of what the what the regular Irish citizenry is feeling.
SPEAKER_12And that'll never happen. You know, this kind of reminds me of uh, you know, the People's Crusade back sort of right around that first crusade time where they went in and it was totally obviously decentralized. There was no real authority. They went in, they caused amuck, and a bunch of innocent people died that didn't need to die. Um, and I'm not saying that you know Pope Leo's got to call a crusade, but and I'm always very um hesitant to speak poorly, you know, probably because I'm scrupulous, but the fact that there's really the hierarchy is kind of has has hasn't been as strong-handed with regard to morality or about you know this particular topic that the world is running amok. Like, where is our moral guardrails? And it's like up to the lay people to talk about this stuff, and it's that's sad, man. Because I don't blame them.
SPEAKER_11You you don't you don't you don't even have to yeah, it's not it's not it's not even about like it, it's just I you look at the way they're handling this issue, they're just totally dropping the ball on because I see immigration and like the LGBT issue in the church is similar, right? Where if you if you allow if you allow uh laxity on the LGBT issue in the church, or even any sexual morality in the church, it weakens all doctrine across the whole the whole thing, right? Yep, if you open your borders in a nation, you weaken the entire nation in all areas. It's like the the church should be firm on these specific things for a reason. They need to warn Christian nations that if you do not remember your patronage, if you do not remember your inheritance, you're going to lose it. Like that should be the church's job is to warn us if you are not careful about making sure you remember the inheritance you have from your ancestors to your lands, you're going to lose your lands. Like that, it's the same thing with the church. Because we've forgotten tradition in the church, we've forgotten the inheritance that was given to us. So we think it's just a thing that we can put play around with and and change around. And that's really the crisis in culture and in the church.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, because it starts, it starts in the church, it kind of begins and ends in the church. But uh all you to see this as plain as day, go and look at the stats of how many Catholics actually go to confession on a regular basis, and then moreover, how many Catholics actually believe in the true presence? Yeah, that's shocking and it's depressing. If there's anything that's like doom pilling for me that makes me black pill, it's that it's it's and it's exactly what I was speaking to earlier. It's a materialistic worldview. We've completely lost. Like we live within this cosmos, this reality of angels and demons and warfare and our morality. Like the enemy can, you know, scourge and crucify the flesh, but they can't steal the soul unless we give it to them. And here we are, because it's like we don't see it, smell it, touch it, hear it. It's not real. And then as a result, what happens? Everything weakens because we've forgotten about the cosmology that we l exist within.
SPEAKER_11Yeah, Mike, I've never been like a huge race guy to begin with, right? Like, I've never been a guy that's obsessed with race. Like, I always like what I never was that worried about like the Mexican Catholics coming into my country, you know. It was like I assume over time they'll assimilate like the European Catholics that came into this country. I I just kind of so it it it what scares me is that you're bringing people in that aren't Christian, right? So, and and to your point, like the materialist Christian mindset that we're dealing with right now, even the people who do go to church, a lot of them treat it like it's just a social club, especially the older generation. The older generation for them, church is like, oh, well, I'm going to meet, you know, my friend over there, or you even have the Knights of Columbus has kind of just become like a an insurance agency for older men at the at the parish and stuff. But there's not really this vibrant, deep spirituality amongst the the Catholics that that are in the average parish anymore. That's what it is why people do seek out traditional parishes because you're going to a parish where you're meeting like-minded people who do take their faith seriously. So you get this, you get like this concentrated parish of people who who take it seriously, and it's it has like a growing effect when you when you do it that way.
SPEAKER_12And then those families and those cultures bear a lot of fruit. It's not like that they're they're without their problems. I mean, like, listen, there's problems at every TLM parish, problems at mine, there's probably your problems yours because there's flawed people. Um, but you you know, you can at least connect on the fact that you know you believe in the church and its doctrine to this, you know, the most strict points. You know, for some people, it is about aesthetics and about you know the material more than it is anything, but you tend to have people that have informed consciences that that that try to fight for their state of grace because they understand and they they're aware of these metaphysical realities. Um, but then you know, you know, when is the last time we've actually had robust clarity with regard to moral issues from the church? It's sad to really think about it. From the church, it's from the church has been quite so sad.
SPEAKER_11I mean, the one of the one of the craziest things about doing that's that encyclical series with Rob has been it's kind of depressing, man. It is, right? It's like you're just like, Where is the church right now, man? Like they should like really, if you if you even talk about the stuff of Vatican II and stuff, it's like really what the church should have done with Vatican II was address the sexual revolution that was happening in the culture, they should have addressed these uh these these revolutions. Um they should have like even civil rights, like they should have addressed really important topics and handled them properly,
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SPEAKER_11but they were just completely castrated at that council. And look, it's a it's a combination of things. Like we at that same time, you're dealing with mass media coming into effect, right? Like we for the first time in history, every single home has a television in it, and the television is this magic box just beaming a narrative into your home, putting propaganda into your brain. Even now, people people, even even those of us who think like, oh, I'm red pilled, or like, you know, I'm not I'm not falling for the propaganda. Every single thing we watch on social media, every single, everything is just further and further brainwashing us into this fake world that isn't real. Like, none of it is real. It's all just them manipulating our emotions and manipulating us. They're going to make it so that there is a civil war in Europe and in America and Canada too. Like they're there, that that is the purpose of all this stuff. The whole purpose of flooding our nation with all these immigrants was to destroy the culture that we had here, to destroy your you knowing your neighbor and knowing the person who lives next door to you, so that you don't have a community anymore. And now you're at each other's throats. And when crap hits the fan, like if if crap would have hit the fan in Europe, like during the Black Plague or something like that, people knew their Christian neighbors, they could go and count on their Christian neighbors to help them, and you knew you weren't in danger because your Christian neighbors were Christian. You have some kind of crazy thing happen now, you're not going to know who you can trust. You're not going to know who you can count on because you don't even know who's Christian. And you don't know what it's like to go to war, have a civil war in your country until you're fighting against non-Christians. Because you I talk to a lot of like a lot of right-wing guys think, well, we got guns and we're gonna do it. It's like you're dealing with savagery, man. Like people who don't have a conscience, people who don't think the way you do. You will still have empathy. You think you want to go and take someone's life, even in self-defense? You don't look at the like Carmelo Anthony. None of us would do something like that when you stab someone in the heart because they pushed you. Like, none of us would do something like that. You're dealing with people who have no moral compass, they think nothing of extinguishing human life.
SPEAKER_12A nation that that deprioritizes the state of its soul eventually ends in just peril and disaster. And that's kind of that that's that's essentially what you're seeing. And then you buy into this manufactured chaos, and then you you think about every sort of facet of society, right? So, starting with the color revolution of like the late, you know, 20th century or the early 20th century, late 19th century, etc., with feminism and everything that happened with the free love movement and then to race and everything now. Um, it it appeals fundamentally to people's hindbrain, and then you have this awareness of like mental illness and mental health and mental illness. There's been no more treatment and and an awareness and medication than there is right now, but we're the most mentally sick people probably in history.
SPEAKER_11History by far. Not even not even a question. I think we're way worse than the pagans were.
SPEAKER_12Yeah. At least they had some semblance of of virtue, yeah, of natural virtue, right?
SPEAKER_11Like they had natural virtue and stuff. They even though they were like praying to false gods, they still had like respect for the for the unseen world, and you know, like they they cared about honor and integrity, and you know, uh, they cared about the the they're they're they're leaving their children something like the the stuff we're dealing with today is so much worse and degraded, and even especially like the social media cloud everybody's trying to go for and stuff. It's just man, it's disgusting. Really, we're in trouble.
SPEAKER_12We have a short memory, dude. We have a short memory. We've allowed people to rewrite history. We don't long, we don't look at history critically. Look at some of these Eastern European countries. You look at Poland, look at Serbia, look at some of these other countries that have a very long memory. They know what happened to them at the hands of Islam. They remember, and so they've they've fortified their wall. I mean, Poland is probably the most probably healthy country in the entire world because they under they've consecrated the the, or not consecrated, but they've declared a crisis king as a Poland. Their borders are super secure, they're a prosperous country because they have they've got that patria and that long memory. We don't have a long memory. I mean, look at. Some of our ancestors. Imagine now we've just allowed these animals within our walls. I mean, a lot of them are not animals because they don't they're they're taught not to question their faith. Sorry, go ahead. How far back do you know your ancestry? Maybe uh three generations. Grandparents, yeah, great-grandparents, great-grandparents, maybe, right?
SPEAKER_11Yep. I same here. Like, I I know my my dad's grandfather because he was alive during my lifetime. He lived to 96. So I know my dad's grandfather. They came here and uh came in, came into Ellis Island in 1912 to escape the war. Um, and that's like that's as far back as I go. So, like when I became Catholic, discovering the saints was so exciting for me because I had this history now, like I had this ancestry that I could go back and I could discover my actual lineage goes back to the the you know, the Christians in the Middle Ages and the Christians of the uh of the of the dark ages and even before that. So, like learning learning Christian history for me was such an exciting thing because I see that as my heritage. Where, you know, like your average person, like your average American or Canadian, they don't have, they don't know anybody beyond their grandparents. And there's no there's no like you said, there's no long-term memory, they have no care to like preserve their family name to pass it on. There's nothing, there is no, I don't know, there's just no pride in in caring for what was handed down to us.
SPEAKER_12And it's because we we don't care about the faith like we once did, because it wasn't handed down to us. I mean, that's why I'm so man, I'm so on fire for these zoomers and these young people that have that are coming back with this like ferocity because they're like, We have been you're black and you're Catholic. We're southern Italians, we might as well be black.
SPEAKER_11No, well, no, because no, that first off, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_12I get what he's saying. No, he's ocean.
SPEAKER_11He's right. Ocean said the Italian tradition of pretending to be related to a saint. So Catholic Crusade has said, no, if you're black and Catholic, it's not about race. Like they are your they are your inheritance, also. I agree. Ocean is just mad because he's not Catholic yet.
SPEAKER_12He's not come on, dude. What do you mean? He's not Catholic yet. Watching ABC.
SPEAKER_11He doesn't get to claim the saints as his ancestors. Yeah, he's gotta play these little games. He's only 16. We caught him a little slack. Um, yeah, that's pretty cool. If you if you if you know your paternal line trace back that long, that's pretty awesome. I I know I well, I know I know my great-grandfather's cousin was Lucky
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SPEAKER_11Luciano. Get out of here, really. That's awesome. That's pretty together. This if you go back to Sicily, where my my grandfather was from, the house that his family still owns is a picture of my grandfather with him. My uncle went there recently. So sick.
SPEAKER_12Uh I feel like we've just been doom pilling for the last like 40 45 minutes. And like I think there's go ahead.
SPEAKER_11Well, it's not that I'm doom pilling, it's that I am worried. I'm worried and I'm worried about I don't want to build that tension more. So, like, you know, I I know I see a lot of see a lot of other creators going out, and they're like, like, I don't like going down the white supremacy line. Like, I don't none of that stuff matters to me. I I really do worry about these tensions building because I don't like everybody gets excited when they see like Ireland fighting back. I don't think any of us really understand what civil war looks like, man. And I have I have a son who's 20. I don't want my son getting involved in this stuff. I don't want, I don't want violence. Like life is life is still pretty good for us, despite all the crap we're talking about. But I don't want it to be where if I'm going to work and I'm a white guy and black people are so brainwashed to hate white people that they attack attack me on the street just because I'm white. Like I'm worried that that's where things are are escalating to.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, I I agree. And so I'm curious your thoughts on because there's a huge swath of people, myself included, that are like, I'm getting, I'm getting out of the cities. I'm just like retreating, I'm taking care of my family and the state of our souls, because that's my main job. My children are part of my bodily goods, and I have to take care of my wife. I have authority over them. So I'm just gonna get the hell out of here, take care of them and myself, and you know, do what I reasonably can to provide and protect spiritually and materially. A lot of people think that's retreatism. I'm curious. What do you think about that?
SPEAKER_11It's the it's the i I think it, I think it's uh it's kind of the Benedict option, right? That's that that book Rod Dreer put out. But like I think I think it's the probably the safest thing to do. I think you still need community, but I don't think you're looking to move into an off-grid home where there's nobody, you know. It's just I'm not going full bug hall. Yeah, bug hall. You'll still have community, and I think as long as you have that, it's okay. Because I I think that might be the only way to survive what's coming, man. Like, I don't know any other way. Like, I think the cities are going to get so violent at a certain point, and I think it'll be in the next coup like in the next 10 years. I mean, it's already happening in Ireland, right? I think I think Europe is going to be the testing program. Oh, yeah. Like, I I think like Europe, it's so much more catastrophic for Europe because they were Catholic and they turned their back on their God. And it's it's the same as when like if you if you really understand the the Arthurian legends, the Arthurian legends are pretty awesome, man. Like, if you go back, what you're dealing with is you're in this world, it's it's early on in Christian history, and the the pagan gods are still around. So you have like this mix of magic still happening, and the and the pagan gods are losing their power, their oracles are no longer prophesying and stuff, and you see like Arthur and and they're going and searching for the holy grail because Christianity is now the altars are spreading throughout throughout Europe. And Rome falls because of this, and you have like the pagans all collapse because of this. But now that we've been Christianized, it's kind of it's not kind of like it is exactly like when Christ says, when a when a when a man, when a when when a house is swept clean, seven demons will return to it, right? So like we are formerly Christian Europe. Well, not we, but like Europe was a formerly Catholic continent. So for them to turn their back on their God, it's going to be catastrophic, like it's going to be worse than it was during the pagan era, and God will have to chastise them in such a harsh way because of that. Where I don't think Canada too was Catholic, man. Canada too. Catholic, man. 100%. Like there was a point, I think I man, I think it was Pope Pius XII was gonna hide out in Canada, yeah, to hide from the Nazis and stuff. Like it Canada's fall is just as devastating as Europe's fall, right? Where America was always founded on these Masonic principles, it was always a Protestant nation, it was never a Catholic nation. So it's it's I don't think the fall will be as severe as Europe's, where Europe, I mean, God has to if God doesn't chastise them soon, it's almost like God doesn't love his children. He has to.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, I I mean I couldn't agree more. I mean, I think the chastisement is gonna be more brutal because of the the the moral culpability. I mean, meaning, so if you look at early Christendom, you know, it was all of the Middle East essentially, but they were it was a complete hostile takeover. It was like an unprecedented enemy that came in and just with their brutality, force, and just sheer numbers took over. And these people fought tooth and nail and tried, they were taking over. Okay. Different when you have an awareness and it's not a violent takeover, it's this quiet takeover. And you know, we've just gotten away from being you know in tune and discerning, and we've just allowed these people in. I think somebody said earlier, suicidal empathy. Man, the chastisement there because we know better. It's like you and I, and then all of a sudden deciding to defect and apostasize. You don't think our punishment's gonna be worse because we know way worse, dude?
SPEAKER_11Yeah, it's it's it's it yeah, it has to be because because they were Catholic, you know, and it's just so I think we're going to see it break down there first, and we're going to get a glimpse of what a collapsing culture really looks like. And it's scary, man. I don't know.
SPEAKER_12I mean, they have here first, and then you guys will see it because we're a cautionary tale. We're like a couple steps ahead in the totalitarian sort of tiptoe. You just look at what we're doing up north, and this is the same thing, same thing's gonna happen to you guys.
SPEAKER_11Yeah, the only thing about America is because it's so big, there will be places to go. And so is Canada. Like you'll be able to be able to get away from it in rural areas in Canada because it is so vast, right? There's so much land where you can just go and and just be away from the madness. I just think cities in America are going to erupt soon. I think cities in Europe are going to erupt soon. It's just, you know, that's what they're pushing us towards. If somebody said, uh, I have to fight now so that my son doesn't have to fight later. There's ways to fight. I just don't want that, I don't want it to be violent.
SPEAKER_12Because once that can of worms is open, like I know some dudes that are bad dudes, like high level, high high level, highest echelons in the military, faithful Catholic dudes. That man, once you open up that can of worms, and then these guys are out doing this stuff too, because it's like now I have no choice, it's just gonna be just destruction, man. Like just because then you can't just like go back. It's like you just gotta empty it right out until it's dry. And then what do we want to get it to that point? You know, because I understand the fight, but then does you God wants us to honor our state in life too? So why am I gonna go out there and fight when like the fight really here is here? I gotta take care of this first before I can go take care of the world. Like, that's this, this is the this is the fight. So like don't let the enemy fool you either, you know.
SPEAKER_11Uh, why is Sub-Saharan Africa and Central and South America so behind the West in terms of functional society? Does Christianity have a role to play? Of course it does. Of course it does. Like Christianity civilizes people, right? So when and South Africa
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SPEAKER_11was civilized during a like during uh when the when the British Empire was there. Like it was civilized when the British Empire was there. Then they had the the they threw the British out, the British left, and it devolved into chaos. South America was Catholic and it was really beautiful, and they were building a beautiful country culture. And America went in and planted its Freemasonic ideas down there, overturned all their freaking every one of their leaders and implanted our own governments in there. We turned them into a materialistic society. It it's it really America is wicked, man. I mean, we really are wicked, we meddle in everyone's affairs. We uh it's it's not it's not good.
SPEAKER_12Speak, I mean, speaking of which, when I was in New York for three days a month ago, I don't know how anybody lives there. There's such a thick fog over that place, dude. It's beautiful, it's insane all at the same time. It was unlike anything I've ever seen. In New York City, I was in Times Square, but I was all over. And there's such a fog, a spiritual fog over that place. And I'm like, I I'm like I dude, it it it's really I'm sure it's hard to be holy in a place like that. There's just I just I don't know.
SPEAKER_11I just it's gotten it's gotten significantly worse over the last couple of years, also. But there's all there's also these beautiful little enclaves you could find, and the what's crazy is you still have a very deep Catholic history here, so you will still have the remnants of that that history, you know. Yeah, for sure. You go to St. Pat's Cathedral, and you go to you know, yeah, I mean you could visit these different Catholic places that are just so adorned in beauty from the time before when you know we still loved God enough to build beautiful things.
SPEAKER_12So uh yeah, I went to St. Vincent Ferrer's and I was how amazing. Oh dude, I went to Daily Mass there every single day, and I'm sure St. Pat's is even more. I've never seen anything like that in my life. Did you did you get a Latin mask with the Benedictines there? No, I we went, it was the uh the Dominicans doing the low Dominicans, that's what I meant. Yeah, the low the Novus Ordo, and it and it was even the Novus Ordo is is really good there, really freaking good, dude. And there's a lot of people in there, so I mean there it is still staunchly Catholic, but it's such a juxtaposition because it's juxtaposed next to this hyper materialistic, fast, loud, hard culture, dude. It's that's that's a wild place, man.
SPEAKER_11The yes, I always tell people to go visit Saint Vincent Ferrer over St. Pat because it's just as beautiful without the Taurus. Yeah, right. Without the Taurus, and and you also will get they have that, so they have that side chapel when you're when you're looking at the altar on the right, there's a side chapel that that the Dominicans will just come in and say a little uh a Latin mass every once in a while, and you just kind of sit in and watch it, it's pretty awesome.
SPEAKER_12It's sick. I went to confession there, and like the priests are just it's super based. It was, yeah, it was it was it was an incredible place. We've got nothing like that out here, but I'm telling you, going from like New York City back to the prairies was like almost felt like my soul could breathe again. There's just like dude, you I mean, you went to you went to Banff. It's totally different, even there, too. But if you came out this way, it's like a ghost town compared to where you're from, bro.
SPEAKER_11Well, even even where I live, like I I commute two hours, two and a half hours to work because I don't want my family near that, you know. Like I'm far out, and the thing is, like, Long Island is beautiful. Where like where I live is, but it's still some suburbs, it's not the country like where you live, but uh especially in the summertime, Long Island is there's a reason why it's the most expensive place in the country to live, is because everybody wants to live here, it's so beautiful here. Um, but and it's away from the riffraff, like you know, it's you're you're not near the riffraff, but if some kind of catastrophe hits the city, the problem is I gotta cross a bridge to get out of here, and that's a dangerous thing. You can't like you can't get off the island unless you cross a bridge.
SPEAKER_12So I was shocked to when I bought a pack of American Spirit Blues, and it cost me like $37 Canadian, bro. I don't know what you guys got. New York prices are outrageous. What whatever's going on, I felt robbed. I spent like $700 on a bottle of water and a pack of cigarettes and two.
SPEAKER_11Canadian money nonsense.
SPEAKER_12That's why I'm so happy. I'm I my entire family is supported by the United States economy. So when that conversion hits, I'm like, oh yeah, but when I go back to the United States, I'm like, man, yeah, like when we when we went to Banff, it was like $14 for a cup of coffee.
SPEAKER_11I'm like, what? It's kind of wild. Um, I know you got a meeting though, right? You got a fly.
SPEAKER_12I gotta fly. Yeah, I get I can I can stay for a few minutes here and then we'll I'll jump.
SPEAKER_11Um well I'm I'm gonna probably jump over to locals. I'll do a solo show over on locals, so I'll let you cut out. Mike, I can't tell you how grateful I am you bailed Rob out tonight. It was uh I I don't I still haven't like worked up the the nerve to do uh a solo YouTube show. Like I don't know.
SPEAKER_12If anybody could do it, you could do it, dude. Are you kidding?
SPEAKER_11Not without a plan. I would need a plan first, I think. You know, like not on the spot when I have three minutes to prepare for it or anything.
SPEAKER_12So happy to have helped out, dude. It's always a pleasure talking to you. And your your your your audience is like the best audience on Catholic YouTube, bro.
SPEAKER_11I appreciate that, and I'm sure they do too. They are they are uh a good group, very uh, very grateful for our audience. So, but uh, I'm going to uh head over to locals now. Mike, you got anything to promote?
SPEAKER_12Dude, just my usual stuff. Check me out on YouTube. That's like really a passion project of mine and Instagram. Um, you know, I do one-to-one coaching for Catholic men, and I just put out a a course, it's called the Priest King Soldier for fathers and discerning um Catholic men. So check that out. It's coming out tomorrow. Otherwise, just subscribe and share the content. That's it sets my heart on fire, what I do. So, but Anthony, dude,
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SPEAKER_12it's always a pleasure, bro. We're gonna catch up soon again, and uh we'll have you on. I still have to interview you and Rob separately. You it's gonna do it separately.
SPEAKER_11Give Rob some shot some shine. I want to see Rob do a simple interview with you. Yeah, all right, guys. God bless you. I'll see you, Mike. Thank you, bud. All right, buddy, thank you. All right, so I am going to kill the feed on everything except for locals. If you guys are not locals members, go over and join locals before we cut out. Um, if Rob would have had knick knacks, he would have been here tonight. We have a total knick-knack failure tonight. Go to knick knack.com and uh let me see if I can actually have the uh I don't even oh man, where is it? I'm so bad at this stuff. Wait, banners. That's where I gotta go. Banners. Go to knicknack.com, use code ab25 for 25% off your first purchase, use code ab 10 for 10% off subsequent purchases. We love knick knacks, they're uh keeping the lights on over here, except for when my power goes out. Uh also go to uh black monk rosaries. Black monk rosaries use code avoidingbabylon and use uh use code avoiding babylon at checkout, get 10% off those. Father's Day is coming up, they're a great Father's Day gift. Do not uh pass that opportunity up to get that 10% off. And thank you guys all for joining us. I'm gonna kill the feed. Everybody go over to locals and join us there. We're gonna do a solo show over on locals, and I'm gonna do much interacting with you audience. Maybe I will maybe I will let you guys jump on. Maybe I'll put the link for StreamYard in locals and you guys can come on and talk with me. So uh let random uh locals members fill in for Rob tonight. So audios YouTube. All right, YouTube's gone. I gotta kill. Rob usually plays a song here and stuff. We're not doing all that. X is gone. My X feed is gone. We got one more. Hold on, I gotta kill Rumble. Rumble is gone. Okay. All right. Do people want to actually join? If I put the link in there? Let me see. Let me copy the link.
SPEAKER_00Now I gotta go into local login.
SPEAKER_11Yeah, we'll just do call in, and you guys can tell me what you want to talk about tonight.
SPEAKER_01You guys see it?
SPEAKER_09I posted it on my end, but I don't see it in the main chat.
SPEAKER_11I wonder what that is. Oh I guess you guys see it. Oh, of course, Ocean came on. All right. What's up, Ocean? What's up? When when are you becoming Catholic, man? That's what we all want to know. What when I'm like 18. That's one. Did you do your parents know? Yeah. Yeah, they said like 18. They said you gotta wait till 18? Yeah.
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SPEAKER_11When's your birthday?
SPEAKER_00I mean, I go to mass. I have like a spiritual director.
SPEAKER_11Look at you. All right. That's good to hear. So what's going on, bud?
SPEAKER_00So I have I have but one singular question. What's here? Uh will taking knickknacks. Give me a golf girlfriend.
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SPEAKER_11I don't know. I don't think you're old enough to have knickknacks yet, so I can't I can't advise an under I can't advise an underage uh young lad to take knickknacks. Yes, it's true. Uh um, we are always happy to have you, brother. I'm sorry I banned you that night. I didn't mean to. No, it's fine. You were doing a little red though. All right, man. Keep keep going with that spiritual director. Keep going amass. We hope you uh we hope you come uh come come home soon. All right, who we got here? What's up, active buzzer? Can you oh your audio's terrible I did like the name?
SPEAKER_02I really like it for the show. Appreciate that. I was wondering what advice he got for someone.
SPEAKER_11Someone who someone know what your audio is terrible. What is he saying? Wait, wait, alright. Someone who just got out of what?
SPEAKER_10High school, high school. Just graduated. You just graduated high school? Yeah. Um, I was just funny and it kind of I hear you twite.
SPEAKER_02I don't know why. But um uh Yeah.
SPEAKER_11Maybe try signing out and sign back in.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think locals was going and then I was hearing locals and then I would play the audio later. Oh, that's why.
SPEAKER_11Okay, there you go. Okay. Um so wait, how alright, so how did you come across our show as a high school graduate?
SPEAKER_02Well, I used to be like really in like I would all I was always interested in like political shows or whatever. So I started out watching Ben Shapiro, then I thought, oh, this guy's this guy's terrible, I don't like him. I'll watch Michael Knowles instead. I was like, oh, he's still kind of like Ben Shapiro. I guess I'll watch um uh like then I just went down the chain of like 50 dudes, and eventually I was like, I go into went Taylor Marshall and then and then you.
SPEAKER_11When did you start watching Catholic content? Like have you always taken your faith seriously, or is that a recent thing?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. I've I've always I I've always taken it pretty seriously, but you know, I've really started caring, you know.
SPEAKER_11What did what did your parents do right to get you to care about your faith at your age?
SPEAKER_02Um I don't know, just they would always take me take me to mass, you know. And I think just taking their faith seriously too, like just having them as a good example.
SPEAKER_11Tell your parents. Uh, we are very happy that they did a good job because I think that is a struggle that so many parents deal with is like how do we instill the faith into our into our kids? And to know you're 18 and you're checking out Catholic content and you're taking your faith seriously, that's huge. You just graduated high school. Um you got a lady in your life that you like yet?
SPEAKER_02Uh yeah. Uh last last month of high school managed to pull off a girlfriend. So good for you, man.
SPEAKER_11Um take that seriously. Um, and uh, because it's always good to meet a girl that when you're young. Like you guys will have a foundation to build upon. So if you if you think there's potential there, nourish it, take care of it. Your heart your two biggest challenges in your life are going to be finding a good spouse and finding a good job. So those are the two things you have to be careful about. Thank you. What's your what's your first name? Uh Walter. Walter, very nice meeting you, Walter. Thanks for watching, man. Yeah. All right. This guy I have to talk to because are we allowed? Are we allowed to say congratulations? Or is that not? Hold on, man.
SPEAKER_03I can't hear you for some reason. Turn off locals.
SPEAKER_11Turn turn locals off.
SPEAKER_04Are you there?
SPEAKER_11Now I am, yeah. Can you hear me? I can't hear you. You guys gotta figure your audio out.
SPEAKER_03Can you hear me now?
SPEAKER_10You got me? I hear you.
SPEAKER_03I got nothing. I don't know what the deal is. We'll talk another time.
SPEAKER_11Oh no. All right, so Matt, Matt is uh Matt was supposed to come to Italy with me, and his wife got pregnant. So he had to bail like a week ago. So his wife will be like seven or eight months pregnant when he comes to Italy. KP, what's happening, bud?
SPEAKER_14Hey Anthony, can't hear you. You too? Streaming hard to say, I can hear it in my headphones when I test the speaker, the audio, but you're muted on my end.
SPEAKER_11Turn streaming, I mean, turn turn locals off. Maybe that's why.
SPEAKER_14I'll try and jump off and jump back in.
SPEAKER_11Oh my gosh, all of you guys. This is terrible. All right, jump off and jump back in.
SPEAKER_03Can you hear me now, Matt? I got you. Oh, like you told that last guy, and that worked. So, you can't see locals, right?
SPEAKER_11Yeah, so anybody that comes in, you have to turn locals off.
SPEAKER_03Oh, no way. I can't hear you now. Let me see. This is on you, Ank. I don't know what else to say.
SPEAKER_11My my mic's not muted, right? You guys hear me? What the hell happened? Let me see if I put more than one person on. Can you hear me, Xiao? Yes, yes, I can. You hear me. I don't it's not me, guys. I don't get it. What's up, Chao?
SPEAKER_09Uh am I pronouncing that right? Yes, sir. It's uh the papal monarchist, otherwise from new YouTube. I'm well kind of at work, but taking a bit of a break right now, you know. Yes, sir, absolutely. Uh yeah, no, uh just uh still doing my engineering and got the girlfriend, and um planning to propose to her in September. So that's awesome. How old are you? Uh 25. 25.
SPEAKER_11Oh man, get going young, bud.
SPEAKER_09Yeah, yeah, yeah. So hopefully, God willing, on track. Despite despite your constant, I can't believe it's not black pilling. Uh I gotta hope that it's gonna work out for me uh by the time I get to your age. You got I'm telling you guys, man. Like, I don't God has a plan. God wills it.
SPEAKER_11I think so. I think we all have to remember that God does have a plan. Oh, great.
SPEAKER_09Your audio went out.
SPEAKER_11No, dude, it's because I need two people on for some
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SPEAKER_11reason. Like, can you hear me again? All right, John, can you hear me?
SPEAKER_10Yeah, I can hear you. All right, you see? I don't know what this is. Oh, I can hear you now, too.
SPEAKER_11Yeah, I need more than one person on for some reason. I have no idea why that is. All right, so shit. All right, I'm gonna talk to John. Stay on, though. So, what's going on, John?
SPEAKER_10Hey, dude, I'm uh I'm totally marrying your neighbor. Was that you, you schmuck?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, no, I'm marrying your neighbor. It's crazy. I've been listening to the show for like three years, and then one time we were at home visiting our family, and I just saw you like pulling out of your driveway smoking a cigarette in your truck. And I was like, I am one of the few like thousand people that know of this show, and that's the the host of the show, and he's your neighbor.
SPEAKER_10They were like, You're kidding me, right? No, I'm not kidding you. You're so your fiance lives on Long Island? She lives like four houses down from you. That is the craziest freaking away. It's insane. Why don't you come and say hello? What's up? Why didn't you say hello? I didn't want to freak you out.
SPEAKER_04I was like, I was also freaking out myself. I was like, is it actually not him? But I was like, I'm pretty sure it is, and then I asked them like later, and they were like, Yeah, no, that's the Abate household. And I was like, Okay, that's why I dude, that is the craziest coincidence I've ever that is you know what else is crazy though? Uh, my brother, Andrew Lane, is the pastor at St. Martin's Church in in Philadelphia, and he's personal friends with Joshua Charles, like he visits him in California.
SPEAKER_11That is a funny, yeah. It's a small, small world when you get into the community. That's insane. I will say that. Yeah, yeah. Dude, that is nuts. So next time you come and visit her, let me know, and we'll go on, we'll go grab a uh a beer or we'll go grab dinner or something. I don't know, man. If you're if I like it's I don't really meet it's not like I have like a fan base where I live, you know what I mean? I go to church and I see like one or two people that know me. That's about it.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you said uh I feel like no, the last video you said like come say hi at church. I was like, I don't live on Long Island.
SPEAKER_11That is dude, that is all right. So wait, it's the uh you said it was the Avanz, uh what's our last name?
SPEAKER_04The Avanzados, yeah. Avanzado. Um yeah, they know of you guys. I remember one time actually, like recently, I was up there, and I think you guys were having a party down the street, and we could hear it. It was like super loud, and they were like, Oh, there's your fucking friend down the street having a blast.
SPEAKER_11And I was like, uh we only do we do one party every summer, and it's usually like my daughter's sweet 16 or my son's graduation, or my other daughter's graduation when she graduated. That's the only time we really do uh parties at my house. But yeah, no, next time you're coming in, man, let me know. For sure. All right, it's nice meeting you, John. Tell you too hello. Oh well. All right, Dustin. I'm gonna bring someone else on so that you can hear me. Because if I don't bring two people on, you won't be all right. So, KP, you're gonna wait while I talk to Dustin, and we'll have to do it like this. It's the only way you guys can hear me. I don't know why. Can you hear me, Ann? I hear you perfect. What's going on, Dust?
SPEAKER_13Sweet. So I got a kind of the same story as Active Buzzer. I started going down the the pyramid of commentators and ended up here on A B. Uh, I love listening to you guys. But I had a a reversion like, I don't know, two years ago, and when the reversion hit, it hit pretty hard. So I go to a society chapel now. But uh you're a radical I was kind of on the fence about the consecrations until about two months ago when all or I guess a month ago when all the Anglican Bishop S stuff hit, and then it was like black pill. Like, this is ridiculous.
SPEAKER_11Dude, I honestly I would just just just go where you can to be Catholic. Like, if that's the best place you can go to be Catholic, just go and be Catholic.
SPEAKER_13It's either going, it's so it's like an hour and 15-minute drive for us to the Society Chapel, and it's like an hour and a half to another uh Latin Mass in Portland, a diocesan mass, but you darn near scandalize the kids just driving into the city to get to Mass.
SPEAKER_11Yeah. Wait, so how long are you married?
SPEAKER_13Uh I've been married 10 years. So my wife was not Catholic. Um and she when I started reverting about three years ago, she was really against it. And I thought I was gonna have a long uphill battle. Like I was I was ready to be in it for like the long run, like decades going in for it. And then one day I just like asked her about it again. She's like, Yeah, let's do it. And it was just I wasn't like forcing her, but I was taking us to mass every Sunday and just being consistent, I guess, and uh just trying to live a good Catholic life, and I guess it worked.
SPEAKER_11So you did you did good picking on a woman picking a woman too, man. A girl that'll follow your lead is hard to find. So man, it was very cool, very cool meeting you, Dustin. I'm gonna talk to KP now. I'll get I'll get rid of you. KP stay bring Matt Ruby on also so that he can hear, because I need two people on at once in order to hear. So, Matt, sit tight. I'm gonna talk to KP and then you're up. What's up, KP? Can you hear me? KP still can't hear me. Matt, can you hear me?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I got you.
SPEAKER_11All right, KP, you can't hear us. I don't know. Matt, did you tell everybody yet or no?
SPEAKER_03Well, yeah, there's one person I told my brother by having told his wife yet, and I think his wife listens a little bit. So I'll blow the spot with like with like one person. But uh, I tell my mom, my stepdad this weekend, and then my family started doing on my dad's side of family rosary every uh every Sunday. So I plan on telling them this Sunday. But uh, well, a couple things now you bring it up. Um I I need to tell my mom, and I want to tell her in like a cool way. You got any special ways to tell someone that you're expecting? You did I uh uh just sit tight, KP.
SPEAKER_11KP, can you hear me now? Yeah, I can hear you now. All right, so sit side. All right, did I did you ever hear the story of how I told my in-laws that we were pregnant?
SPEAKER_03No.
SPEAKER_11All right, well, we weren't married yet. This is my first. Oh, yeah, yeah. And uh the whole family is sitting in their den watching a movie, and me and my wife walked in. We were we were 22, and I walk in the room and I grab the remote. They just got a new TV, and I was like, Oh, is this the new remote for the TV? They go, Yeah. I go, click, I turned on, I was like, we gotta talk. And they all knew something was coming. I was like, it looks like me and Nicole getting married a little sooner than we thought. And her freaking sister started screaming, and uh her mom was like, Oh, we're having a wedding, and that was it. It went pretty well. So I don't know if you could do that, but yeah, I don't know. Maybe take them out to dinner and and I'm married, so I guess I got that.
SPEAKER_03So that's good.
SPEAKER_11Well, take take them out to dinner. Uh, what one one funny one that I saw the other day was a guy I work with. His kids got a scratch off. Like they they were able to buy a scratch off that when when the father scratched it off, it said you're gonna be a grandfather. So, and this is your first, right? Yeah, it's our first, yeah. Do something like that, like make it a big surprise, video it, they'll freak out, it'll be awesome. You show the whole family. I dig it. I dig it.
SPEAKER_03Um, my second question for you is uh, well, two things. So I'm kind of shocked at how difficult it is when your wife gets pregnant. Like it's crazy. Like everything changes. It's nuts, like morning sickness, like attitude. She doesn't have vest local, so I can say whatever I want.
SPEAKER_11Wait until wait until like seven months. Seven months, you just gave me like, oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_03Bro, it's like it's like a different person, it's crazy, but um, it's that, and then like a month ago, I went on vacation with a few of my in-laws and five of my nieces and nephews. And that was the first vacation I've been on since I was a little kid with little kids. And uh man, it is not like the vacations I'm used to. Like, what else should I expect? Like, I'm just like in show constantly.
SPEAKER_11So, pregnancy is one thing, right? But what
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SPEAKER_11happens when the baby comes is and how long are you married? Um, almost three years. Okay, so for the past three years, you have been the most important person in your wife's life. You guys do everything together. You're done working on your farm, and you guys go in, you watch a movie together, you do all the stuff together.
SPEAKER_03In a week out of the month, I'm like the man.
SPEAKER_11I'm the best, dude. You aren't going to even matter. You aren't even going to exist once that kid comes. That's I think the hardest part of having kids, especially for for guys, when when when your wife has her first kid, you go from being the most important thing in the world to her, and like you guys are like, you know, things are really exciting in every area of your life, and then all of a sudden they only care about the baby. And it's something that women have to be cautious of too, because you if if you're not cautious of your relationship and making sure you two still stay into each other and still treat each other like you were when you were not dating, it's a little different, but like you have to make sure you keep that relationship alive so that you don't become just like a guest in your own home for your family who like lives their separate life from you, you know?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like my brother-in-law, he's in med school right now, and then his wife is still trying to work, she's a newscaster, and she starts her shift at 2 a.m. And then he's at school all day, and they're just like switching shifts to watch the kid. And it's like that's a right, it's crazy. So it's like, you know, I we we're set up better than that, but it is just like it's shocking once you get into this world. It's um, yeah, it is crazy how everything changes. I sound like an old man. I'm like, no, but I'll tell you this, man.
SPEAKER_11My wife is at my wife saw the picture of you and your wife on your farm, and she was so excited to meet your wife. She's like, she's so freaking cute. I can't wait to talk to her about my garden. And she's really meant, she's really upset you're not gonna be you guys aren't gonna be coming. But obviously, it's a it's a risk you take when you plan a Catholic pilgrimage that some of the married couples are going to get pregnant.
SPEAKER_03So that's a big one. Canceling the pilgrimage, it sucks, right? It's like I've I've been to Ireland, I've been to South Africa, but I've never been. I'm I'm a Swiss Italian, I'm not Southern Italian, so I'm I'm white, you know. But uh yeah, I wanted I want to go to the home the homeland, you know, and it's uh it kind of sucks, but maybe in like 25 years get back.
SPEAKER_11You'll you'll figure it out. Don't worry. We'll do we'll do one. Uh we're we're gonna think we're thinking of doing one with families, so even people that have kids could do something. So it'll be like a three-day pilgrimage that's a lot closer, and we'll do something like that. But congratulations, Matt. Tell your wife. I'm sad I won't get to meet her, but I'm very happy for you both. Yeah, you'll meet her eventually, don't worry. All right, all right. Now wait, I don't know if KP will be able to hear me if you leave. So you might have to say, I'll stay on. I'll stay on. What's up, KP?
SPEAKER_14Appreciate it. Hey, what's up, and thanks a lot, Matt, for sticking on. Uh, thanks for having me. Okay, I'll try and keep it fast. So the question I have is on Matthew 13. Uh Hitchporn brought it up when you were on around the time, I think, with um Father Motto.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_14So that question, the parable of the wheat and the cockle, or uh the weeds and the cockle in the field, you know, wheat and the weeds in the field. So, like the there's the field, there's the master of the field. Uh the an enemy comes in and plants weeds in with the wheat. I'll just use weed, cockle. I mean, I'll just use weed. So uh the servants come and say, Hey, master, there's a bunch of weeds in the weed field. Uh, shouldn't we take should we take them out? And the master says, No, no, no, no. Suffer them both, because if you take them out, it'll damage the the weed. So, question, two questions. First, Michael brought it up as kind of like an alternative theory to your Ticonius theory. Uh, it's not necessarily alternative, but it corroborates it at least, supports it, where it's like, okay, the field is the kingdom of God, which includes the church, which so there could be weeds in the church. Exactly. So you were asking for hey, does anybody have an alternative theory out there? And I think it's maybe it's just a simpler analysis of like instead of the tyconius arguments, it's just like, hey, this is what Jesus said. Um, but that was so that's just a side point. But the first the main question, second question is um as a husband and father, like suffering suffering them both to me was one of the most unsettling things that I heard in the gospels. Of like, we have this natural instinct, especially as a parent or a husband, to like obliterate the weeds, not just you know, kind of protect your family from them, but like actively get rid of them. So, as a in your shoes, like what do you think that means, or what does that look like to suffer the weeds as a husband and father when we're called to you know protect our family from them?
SPEAKER_11I well, I think we're still called to protect our family from, especially like wickedness in the church. Like, I honestly I don't I rarely tell my kids about the garbage that's going on in the church because I don't want to I don't want to like deform their view of the church. Like I try to keep them with the the proper view of the church. And like my son I talk to about this stuff because he's older and he's able to understand it better. But like the Ticonian theory is actually that the evil in the church will grow so bad that eventually there will be like the the true church will have to separate. So my my position is actually just that the sete vacantists are doing it too soon, that there will come a time where Christ makes it clear that come out of her, my children, so that you don't partake of her blasphemies, right? But the evil is going to get worse and worse as we go on. So that's kind of why I say I'm not shocked by anything I see in the hierarchy at all. I actually expect it to get significantly worse, and it still won't deter my faith or make me leave the church, right? With with your kids, I mean, yeah, you have to the but there's also a degree where if you protect them too much and they don't get exposed to any of the weed, that it's kind of like those parents who homeschool and keep their kids like cloistered away from any kind of danger whatsoever. Then as soon as their kids get a chance to go out, like those girls that go to college who are homeschooled and they go on their whore phase, you know what I mean? Like you have to you have to allow your kids a little bit of the world so that they're not completely shocked and excited by sin when they finally get a, you know, when they're when your watchful eye isn't over them.
SPEAKER_14Right. Yeah, I that makes sense. Um, you know, my my boy's five, so a lot of them. Yeah, and I'm wrestling with you know, filtering out stuff that I don't want him to see, but then also, like you said, letting him see it and then explaining it in you know, light of the face or through the lens.
SPEAKER_11Well, so like my kids are older, right? Now, my like my kids, uh I've always kind of taken like the Italian
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SPEAKER_11family approach where I let my kids drink wine when the family's over. Like, if everybody's having wine at dinner, I'll let my kids have a glass of wine. Like, I don't want them to go out and get drunk with. their friends because they never tried alcohol before. There's like little things I do where I'm like I'm very strict about like the the pelvic issues like with my daughters who they're dating. I'm like very strict with that stuff. But I do let them have their friends over and they, you know, they they they get to partake in normal things kids do. I just I set my limits on what I think are the most dangerous things. And those are the things I try to have talks with them. Probably probably too many because my kids roll their eyes at me a lot when I'm like oh here comes another talk from dad but it's it's it's a balancing act you have to play.
SPEAKER_14Yeah I'm wrestling with too with like just I don't want to be the the guy who's raising his kid to be like hey look this is wrong about that person or about or what this is wrong about what that person's doing, excuse me. Or like this is not good or this is not good. Uh because then it just kind of creates that mindset of like critical of the world where you're just constantly like criticizing things.
SPEAKER_11Conversely though like some of the some of the best um the some of the best evangelizing I've done with my kids I don't know if KP can still hear me but some of the best evangelizing I've done with my kids has been to show them the lives of the unfaithful like almost everybody in our lives that don't have God in them they're living these debauched lives they all have baby mamas and their kids out of wedlock and the the girls aren't married and it's it's just like mayhem when you don't structure life upon the Catholic faith. So sometimes showing your kids without like judging and saying oh they're sinners and stuff it's just like just kind of look at the way people live who don't have God in their lives and that's kind of the greatest proof of God in my opinion. So all right uh we kind of lost KP.
SPEAKER_03Matt, it was nice seeing you man thank you for sticking around keeping touch quick story for you though just real quick my uh my wife and her seven siblings they were all homeschooled and uh through like middle school. So when they went to high school they like had to get integrated in the world a little bit like they played sports they did 4 H, all that kind of stuff like goed at the county fair we're country people but uh whenever uh sorry I'm out of breath I'm like working but um when my wife went to high school her first day high school her parents like sat her down and were like listen there's gonna be some stuff that's gonna alarm you when you get to public school it was like okay like what? And they're like well you got to really look out for AIDS.
SPEAKER_11It's like and she was just like what anyway she turned out pretty normal so there's definitely a route I can hear you guys for some reason but that's hilarious dude I'll let you guys go all right Matt I'll let you run man tell your wife we uh we said congratulations um all right KPs you stick around for a minute because we got Andrew in and I want to make sure Andrew can hear me.
SPEAKER_10All right Andrew can you hear me?
SPEAKER_15Yeah I can you hear me I hear you okay cool um this is also the Italy Andrew that we gone on the pilgrimage. Oh awesome all right so andrew's come Andrew's coming to Italy um so yeah yeah excited to be on um the thing that I was thinking about because I I don't know if you're like actually in contact with like Joe Heschmeyer and like he's like actually coming on um but like you know I was listening to like the Wagner interview with him. Yeah and you know like he kind of had this thing because they only talked a little bit about like the German bishops and like how it's like yeah like they're not being treated in the same intensity that like the SSPFs are um and he's like yeah I mean like because like you know one is like kind of more I don't want to say like I can't remember how he phrases like one obviously cares a little more about the church you know and like you know you would expect that like people who are trying to be like super faithful should be held a higher standard or something. So you know like I guess you just kind of have like the Catholic answers crowd who is like in general not always like the most ecumenical when it comes to trad people is like I guess the thought I was kind of having is like do you I don't think that they realize that like a lot of the tension at least from the trad side is because that they do see that like all of the like that group is like super friendly and super willing to dialogue with like with every single one.
SPEAKER_11Yeah yeah it's it's super it is frustrating. It's like Trent Horn will talk with some gay ex-Catholic and he'll talk with Gavin Ortland and say the kindest things in the world about him and they'll do that but like they won't have a conversation with me or they won't have a you
The Wheat And Weeds In The Church
SPEAKER_11know they won't have a conversation with anybody in the child like even like Brian Holdsworth doesn't even seem to be able to like I mean he can get on like pints but like I mean I don't know does he even like interact with like Trent Horn like yeah I think Brian's got a pretty good rep with all those guys but Brian like when like I know Brian and Brian is way more trad than any of those guys like Brian is very trad. He's just super amiable he's Canadian and he's got that kind of temperament you know so um holdsworth and I got pretty close when the whole um uh Pelican thing happened because I I brought Holdsworth out there when they invited me and I was like I'm I'll only do this if like we get Holdsworth and like I wanted some more mainstream appeal and Holdsworth and I and Rob too obviously we all went out there and heard their pitch and when we got back I had a lot of conversations with Brian about some of the things I was worried about and I I'm pretty sure those conversations are why Brian didn't join also but um and I think that left a bad taste in the in in everybody over a Pelican's mouth they think I talked him out of going uh which I did you know I was like I brought him over there I'm gonna talk him out of going so but yeah I don't know I think the German bishops thing is the church um still does view schism as a big deal and I think if they cut the German bishops off they're cutting off an entire country and I think that is uh I you know I I just think in in these super ecumenical times they're willing to dialogue with Anglicans so I mean what are the German bishops that much worse than the Anglicans?
SPEAKER_15I mean I I well I don't know if I should say what I think but like someone was telling me that they think the reason too is that like the German bishops they get like tax money from the state but if they were like actually like Orthodox Catholics would that tax money still be coming in oh that's a good question.
SPEAKER_11I don't know uh Rob just sent me a text 44 year old woman has been beheaded by an African migrant in the in the Italian town of Scandici. I saw things are gonna heat up it's scary. Things are going to heat up but um K Pete thanks for sticking around man Andrew thank you for checking in um I think I'm gonna I'm gonna kill this one I'm glad I jumped over the locals for a little bit though. You guys are awesome thank you guys all for uh showing Rob and I support it's like uh I don't know what I would do if I didn't have this outlet event yeah like it would be a hard thing for me to not have this outlet so yeah I don't know if you guys noticed I did get the play button though but um yeah I appreciate all you guys man thank you guys all for uh everything uh for for following along on this journey that we all do it's it's very cool to have like I I think all of the other Catholic podcasters are envious of our audience because you guys are all young like I don't know any other show that has a young audience like we do man it's like when when I booked the pilgrimage like dude we got like 50 guys in their 20s and early 30s coming to Italy. It's gonna be an awesome time. So and there are a couple of spots opening up because Matt and his wife are had to bail and Mike Pantile and his wife were supposed to come and he had to bail because of uh his situation with moving so there are a couple of spots open if anybody still wants to come but
Wrap Up And Next Stream Tease
SPEAKER_11appreciate you guys KP Andrew thank you boys and uh I'll let you guys go and I'll close this thing out and I'll see you guys on Tuesday. Oh the next encyclical series is Leo the thirteenth uh has his vision of Satan and God having the discussion about the hundred years is going to be a very good uh episode so we'll see you guys on Tuesday
