Vatican Picks A Zionist As Press Secretary | McElroy Removes The Exorcist

A few viral clips and one Vatican appointment raise a bigger question than most Catholic media wants to touch: when Church communications tries to sound modern, does it end up teaching something else entirely? We dig into the resurfaced audio around a former EWTN executive tapped for a Vatican communications role, including her comments on supersessionism, Catholic-Jewish relations, and the claim that “all Jews should become Christians… is wrong.” For us, that line isn’t a hot take, it’s a doctrinal fault line, because Catholic theology can’t treat salvation, evangelization, and conversion as optional without changing the faith into something unrecognizable.

We also unpack the Phylos Project and the broader ecosystem of “dialogue” branding, Israel trips, and Catholic influencer pipelines that can nudge people toward a softer, more therapeutic version of Catholicism. The issue isn’t polite conversation or basic respect, it’s what gets quietly edited out: the uniqueness of Christ, the purpose of the Church, and the danger of confusing goodwill with agreement. We talk through why this messaging lands especially hard with the EWTN crowd, and why media-savvy appointments can calm headlines while pushing big changes underneath.

Then the conversation pivots to Washington, DC, where Monsignor Stephen Rossetti is removed from his exorcist role after warning that some UFO or UAP encounters may be demonic deception. We read his response, play what he actually said, and sort speculation from doctrine while asking why the backlash got so loud that the story spilled beyond Catholic news into mainstream outlets.

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Transcript

Train Tracks Clip And Opening Riff

SPEAKER_03 0:22

Turn left.

SPEAKER_01 0:55

How'd you get up here? On the train tracks.

SPEAKER_06 1:08

She literally says she was just following directions.

SPEAKER_05 1:13

We saw uh Kale Zeldon sent me that. That's a real clip of a woman who drove on the train tracks. And when I saw it, I said, we need to bring back women driver videos to the show. We haven't had a good woman driver intro video in quite some time. So I sent that clip to Taffy, and Taffy said, Yes, but I have to put my signature on it. So he added Lila at the beginning. I was looking forward to this one tonight. It's always good when we have a Thursday show and the Catholic media actually has stories out there.

SPEAKER_06 1:48

Yeah, we'll see.

SPEAKER_05 1:51

No, well, we got good clips to play. And um We you sent me literally 40 things. Yes, I did. But I know what I'm doing. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. That's terrible. Uh, I know what I'm doing. I have reason to my madness.

Knickknack Success Story And Pitch

SPEAKER_05 2:05

So if you go to if you go to the telegram and you see June 3rd, like right where it says June 3rd, the first clip is the first thing we're going to play. But before we get into that, I actually have a Nick Neck success story. Joe Boca. When Joe Boca started working at my company. But okay. Yeah. What do you mean? It's the first thing I sent on June 3rd. You're slamming the brakes on things. Are we are we are we in sync here? What's going on?

unknown 2:34

All right.

SPEAKER_05 2:34

So Joe Boca started working at my company a couple of weeks ago. And when he started, he was awful, dude. Like awful. Like he was terrible. So much so that I was like, oh man, I kind of regret bringing him here.

SPEAKER_06 2:47

Sure, it just wasn't his supervisor. No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 2:52

I'm telling you. And then and then I gave him some knickknacks this week. And this week was like transformative. And now he's being sent out on solo missions. He's working with different foreman. My uncle's. Having him go get you espresso and pizza isn't no, no, no, no, no. He's driving trucks now. It's good. He had a miraculous turnaround this week. He's uh very excited to be at the job. He's uh doing very well. So I'm very glad that uh Joe Boko is our Knickknack success story this week. Uh go to nicknack.com, bring the banner up so I can make sure I say the right. Put in code AB 25% for 25% off your first purchase. Use code AB10 for 10% off subsequent purchases. We love knicknack.com. They are a miraculous, miraculous substance. They do contain nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive substance, but it will change your life. That's the pitch. It's an addictive substance, but one that will change your life. Go to nicknack.com. Uh we also have black. I don't know if this is his internet or my internet. It's yours. It's yours, for sure. I don't know what the hell is going on here. It's your internet. You can't hear me. There's we're way off. Reboot your computer again. What? Reboot your computer again. It trust me, it's not my it's not the computer. It could be the internet, but it's not the computer. It's definitely your internet. Can you hear me? I hear you, but it's very delayed. There's a delay between our between our talking.

SPEAKER_06 4:34

Yeah, this is terrible.

SPEAKER_05 4:36

Like a significant delay. Let me I'm gonna have to pound a few dozen of these just to deal with this issue. Wait, I want to know if it's my internet or yours, though.

SPEAKER_06 4:51

I don't know. Last night I was having issues, and I know it was me last night.

SPEAKER_05 4:55

Yeah, my internet looks like it's doing fine. Looks like it's doing you guys hear me fine.

Rosaries Ad And Wi-Fi Problems

SPEAKER_05 5:02

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SPEAKER_06 5:23

I hear they're talking about making them making them illegal to carry in Great Britain. They can be used like a weapon.

SPEAKER_05 5:29

If uh what's his name? Novak would have had Novak had had one, he would have been okay. If he'd have had a black monk rosary on him, that's never would have stood a chance. Probably shouldn't say that, but it's kind of terribly insensitive. I don't know his name though. I have to call him the seat. Yeah, it is terribly insensitive.

SPEAKER_06 5:49

Oh, I don't care. I don't care. I don't care if you make fun of them.

SPEAKER_05 5:52

Oh, you just think it's insensitive because he isn't with us anymore.

SPEAKER_06 5:54

Yeah, I don't care if you make fun of the flipping pajit that killed him.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 6:05

Um, so all right. So if you go to um so all right, so we uh on locals the other

Vatican Comms Hire Raises Red Flags

SPEAKER_05 6:10

night were talking about this. Uh the the head of EWTN something department, whatever. She gets the CEO, the whole CEO. She was the CEO of EWTN. I'm pretty sure. I don't think she was that high up. I think she was like I'm pretty sure she was the CEO or something. I don't know, whatever she was. She uh she gets um offered the position of Vatican's communications director. And Rob had mentioned the other night, like because we didn't know anything about her yet. We just know she worked for EWTN and the reputation.

SPEAKER_06 6:47

Oh, she was the president and chief operating officer.

SPEAKER_05 6:51

C O O. Okay. C-O-O. She was the C O O. So Ocean, we have talked like I'm not doing this again. Anyway, so uh we had spoken about her the other night. We didn't know much about her, but we had known that Pope Francis was not a fan of VWTN because of all the criticism that Raymond Arroyo was giving him and things like that. So Rob usually, if Mike Lewis hates a person, they're usually okay, but yeah. But they were all they were all awfully quiet about this one. They were, weren't they? They were awfully quiet, and maybe people will go in and finding old tweets of his, but he didn't really have much to say on this one. And you gotta watch it when those guys are quiet because they're uh, you know, they're they're a little they're a little wiser when it comes to just firing off opinions sometimes, apparently. So she uh Rob had said, you know, we're going from this gay liberal Italian guy, and you know, I know she's a woman. That's three times redundant, but okay. Yeah, no, no. So uh, you know, the idea that she's coming from EWTN and she's younger, maybe that's maybe that could be seen positively. And then the clips start coming out, and then we start finding things out, and what we have found out is that she's very involved with the Phylos project. She's op as day, she's a hardcore feminist. I mean, some of these clips that we're gonna play are bad. And to the point where she's saying things that I haven't eaten, I've never even heard people at the Phylos Project make claims as bold as she has. Like straight out saying that Jews don't need to convert. That's just crazy. It's just heretical.

SPEAKER_06 8:46

Like, right, like it's just like even your most hardcore Catholic Zionist, when pushed, will at least kind of say that, yeah, Jews should become Catholic still.

SPEAKER_05 8:57

Yes, yes. I mean, I mean, I've I've never heard, you know, for all the grief that they're giving, you know, uh Joe Heshmeier or Gideon Lazar, they're giving them a lot of grief, but those guys would never say something like this. No, Gideon says oftentimes he wants all Jews to become Catholic. Yeah, that's like his sole mission is to try and convert Jews. Like Gideon, Gideon is I think his controversial did you know she even said in a context that he needed to convert? Um, Gideon, I think, like some of his most controversial takes are that Jews should be allowed to keep their um cultural heritage, cultural rights, right? Like so they should still be able to celebrate satyr meals and even like all of their oh outside of a religious liturgical sense, yes. He says as long as they see them in a way that is a full like that they're fulfilled in Christ, that you know, so it's like it's a controversial take, especially when you put it up against some of the things the early church fathers had said, things like that. But but I I understand where he's coming from, at least at least it's a conversation you could have with the guy and you can understand it. Um like he he he argues that there should be a Jewish rite of the mass, you know, like a Jewish liturgical rite of the mass for for converts from Israel. Like that's where he that's kind of where he's got an acculturated Hebrew right of the mass. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So um, so even even those guys would never say something like that. I am very tempted to even text me the other day. I'm very tempted. I'll be honest, I'd be like, Well, I'll admit I'm not instantly against it, but why would we do that? I'd have to come up with like a good reason to talk with them. I I probably wouldn't talk to him, I would talk to him about addiction, maybe. Because those conversations are always good, you know. So I don't know. What okay?

SPEAKER_06 10:58

For the layman, what is the files project? Well, number one, this is defunct right now. Is it yeah? What happened? I don't know. I just saw Gideon the other day tell like uh oh, you know, someone uh so someone accused Joe Hashmeier of being funded by it and the comments to our video about Joe, and Joe responded, like saying, you know, he's but anyways, Gideon said something about that that it's no longer in operation.

SPEAKER_05 11:25

So the Phylos project was an attempt for Jews and Catholics to get together to try to change the narrative, I believe. And they were having Catholic presenters come. Uh, they were heavily funding trips to Israel for different Catholics to go there, things like that. Uh, there was very heavy Opus Day involvement. Um uh Trent Horn had given a speech for the Phylos Project that we you know brought up on our show that we criticized. Uh George Weigel was involved over there. There was a lot of guys that were going over there and giving these giving these presentations. And it's not like they were saying anything like blatantly um, like it wasn't like there was anything blatantly problematic in what they were saying. It was just my my main contention with it was they were in they were in a setting where there were other people who were saying ridiculous things. There were people, there were Jews coming up and saying the reason there's so much anti-Semitism from Catholics right now is because Catholics are jealous of Jews because they have a higher birth rate, things like that. Like there was some crazy things said at this function. Um, there were some crazy things said at this thing. Now, while while Trent Horn didn't say those things, it was still uh my my main issue is like what is the real credence to it? Yeah, and like what is the real danger here? Is there really a danger of this big anti-Semitic problem where there's going to be another Holocaust? Like, I don't I don't think any scenario Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. Whoa, what did you just say that but that's that is their position, right? Their position is that we need to get this anti-Semitism under control because there'll be another Holocaust, you know. And the point I always have well, the point I've been making for the past year or two is that the danger is not that there will be another um pogrom or something like that, the danger is that they're presenting a version of Catholicism that is so neutered and does not see that there's a true issue with modern Judaism and its contention against Catholicism. And that there is a real contention between those two, and that Catholics, when they forget that contention, they actually lose the the they lose so much of the faith. They lose they especially when things the way things are are shaping out right now, and that they could be roped into supporting some very evil things because they think that's the right thing to do. So that like that that's kind of my issue with this. So let's did you find the first clip I sent over on June 3rd. Yeah, but uh let's read the super chat real quick, just because it's a super chat. They opened the Sopranos themed pizza parlor with pictures from the show. I've been trying to sneak a picture of Anthony inside and hope no one notices. Somebody uh

Phylos Project And Supersessionism Explained

SPEAKER_05 14:40

somebody in my group chat said uh they gave a picture of me uh to chat GPT or grok or something and said if if this guy was going to play in a TV show or movie, what movie or TV show would it be? And right away I went to Sopranos, Goodfellas, things like that. So but all right, let's jump into this first clip. If you guys haven't heard these clips, they're kind of outrageous. So the it's from today. Right? The first clip from today. The first clip from yesterday. The first tweet I sent you from yesterday. Okay, I just met that. Yeah, it's above the Archdiocese of Washington. Yeah. Yeah, that's the one I want to do. It didn't come over fully, but yeah, I got it here. Okay. Yeah, if you guys haven't heard these clips, they're they're kind of outrageous. They're offensive.

SPEAKER_06 15:39

Uh OpenStay was created a long time before that game. OpenState was created by the Holy Maria Extreme.

SPEAKER_05 15:53

It may have been infiltrated in the 80s, I could see that. Yeah, or maybe got big in the well, I think it was big before the 80s, but anyways.

SPEAKER_04 16:02

I appreciated that you chose that document for a couple other less pious reasons. One in that it's short, okay? Short, it might be the shortest along with Digital Tatasumane of the Vatican II canon, if you will. But also for those who are new to that document, it discusses the relationship of the faith to non-Christian religions. And so, what about your relationship with her? What did she appreciate about that? Uh, about that document that that changed you, that moved you.

SPEAKER_02 16:32

So I met her um in the Holy Land. Yeah, I've been there twice through um in partnership with the Philos Project, is it which is a group this isn't terrible women Wi-Fi, it's terrible Rob Wi-Fi.

SPEAKER_06 16:44

No, no, no. I think he's talking about the video quality of the women.

SPEAKER_05 16:48

Yeah, I that video does not have terrible Wi-Fi, it's your internet, I think.

SPEAKER_06 16:52

No, it's not, it it appears on my screen the exact same way it's appearing in this.

SPEAKER_05 16:57

Yeah, but when I sent the clip, it doesn't show that way. He is just saying it's crap video quality, it's perfect video quality on my phone.

SPEAKER_06 17:06

No, it's not perfect video quality.

SPEAKER_05 17:10

Um I'm hearing it like jumbled and like pausing. The girls aren't moving fast, like the voices are moving faster than the women, and when I play it on my phone, the same exact tweet, it's playing perfectly fine, is what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_06 17:24

It's I I don't, I mean, I it's playing perfectly fine for me. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 17:27

Yeah, that's what I but I don't think we're seeing it perfectly fine.

SPEAKER_06 17:30

Uh maybe. Could be. I maybe I don't know what's going on.

SPEAKER_05 17:36

So is it like is it intelligible for you guys? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can hear it, but the the the video quality is awful, but it's all right.

SPEAKER_06 17:45

This is like co-sleeping 3.0 in real time.

SPEAKER_05 17:48

We're gonna fight over Rob's Wi-Fi. All right, yeah, yeah. It's not big. She's about to get into her her diatribe right now. We'll go.

SPEAKER_06 17:56

It is interesting that the C COO of EWTN can't pull off better, like a better yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:06

She's she's got a worse, she's got a wor a worse um uh uh webcam than I do.

SPEAKER_06 18:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

That advocates for um yeah, yeah, yeah, for for Christianity in the Middle East, but also positive Christian engagement in the Middle East, and very much pro that was better, okay. Yeah, so um defending the the Jewish community um and learning about soft forms of anti-Semitism, which I think is really important because it's part of what this document talks about. Um, and so she was one of the guides on the on the tour, and she loves the Catholic Church and the Catholic tradition, and we started chatting. So it came up in that context, but also I had it on my mind when I met you because there was this subcurrent of um criticisms of can't even say can't even say the word right of the holy father of Pope Francis around supersessionism, and that's a really big word. Yeah, uh, and it's it's a word that basically says someone who's trying to say that um Christianity nullifies the Jewish faith, right? It's a rather than um they them being our brothers and sisters and our um us being hand in hand walking towards salvation and them being the chosen people, there's this idea that all Jews should become Christians, which obviously is wrong.

SPEAKER_06 19:23

Um I knew it was coming, but still there.

SPEAKER_05 19:30

This is so problematic. Like I'm telling you, the Hebrew Catholics, like the Hebrew Catholics would not say what this woman is saying. No, they they would they're probably more pissed than we are. Jews and Christians are not brothers and sisters in faith walking towards salvation together. I'm sorry. No, they're not. They're they are diametrically opposed. The Jews older brother who's trying to trip us on the way, the whole damn thing. Yes, they are they are you're talking about they are siblings in that one is Cain, one is Abel. There are siblings in one is Jacob, one is Esau. There is no there is no we're walking towards salvation together. That does now that doesn't mean there isn't still a role for Jews to play in salvation history, though. Like, but supersessionism is the proper way to view this, where the the modern Judaism and the rights of modern Judaism are no longer valid, they do not attain salvation for Jewish people in any way whatsoever. Well, the the current rites of Judaism were never valid, right? They were made up correct hundreds of years after. Once the temple's destroyed, there's there's no way for them to expiate sins. There's nothing like there's it's a totally different religion than came out of the first century.

SPEAKER_06 20:47

It's a I mean, God gave them 40 years from the the crucifixion of Christ to the destruction of the temple, showing them each year that their day of atonement is failing. He gave them 40 40 years of that, a whole generation trying to show them, hey guys, guys, it's over, it's done with, it doesn't work. And then he's like, Okay, well, now it's time to destroy it.

SPEAKER_05 21:10

It's um what it really does is show the danger of the phylos project or the phylos project, whatever it is. It shows the danger of it because this woman is associated with them, she's being taught that this is what she believes because of the garbage she's learning at that phylos project. So now she's getting on and she's having this conversation. And how many countless people are also going to believe this nonsense, this garbage that she's talking about here? Because I think there's a lot of Catholics today who do think this.

SPEAKER_06 21:42

Uh, especially the the the sort of Catholic that watches EWTN all the time, you know, that kind of boomer, uh novice ordo conservative Catholic. They tend to be very supportive of Israel, you know, things like that.

SPEAKER_05 21:56

It was hard for even my mom to grasp this stuff because. Because I mean you you had even during JP2's pontificate, you have Mother Mother Teresa coming out and saying things like Um, if you're a Jew, be a good Jew. If you're a Muslim, be a good Muslim. If you're, you know, if you're a Buddhist, be a good Buddhist. Like that, like that kind of stuff is confusing. And that all comes, it stems from no shirtate. Don't get me wrong. But well, and it it stems even further back from the stuff we're going to talk about next week, the Freemasonry. Yes. On enlightenment. Yeah. If you guys, if you guys have uh the last episode was a little slow because we covered the same historical period than we did the episode before, so it was a little bit slow. What we have coming up for this next Papal Encyclical series is going to be really good. So all right, let's play the rest of this one. Templar, Illuminati, Hermeticism. It's gonna be good. So all right, play the rest of this one, and then we have more clips. I'm gonna back it up so we can all hear her say Jews don't need to become Christian again.

SPEAKER_02 23:03

Us being hand in hand, walking towards salvation, and then being the chosen people, there's this idea that all Jews should become Christians, which obviously is wrong. Um, and um that was a very scary moment for me watching the commentary around the Pope's efforts to engage with the peripheries, to engage with um religious minorities who haven't been invited to explore the beauty of the faith within the context of a friend of mine who was non-Christian, right? But who loves the church, but who adores what the church is doing and sees the flourishing of the church as a protection for her own faith.

SPEAKER_04 23:40

Oh, beautiful. Well, okay, let me backtrack a second.

SPEAKER_06 23:43

That is so like materialistic, like love what the church is doing.

SPEAKER_05 23:48

I'm sure she means in terms of like humanitarianism and it's like when Whoopi Goldberg, no, it's like when Whoopi Goldberg said she loved what the Pope was doing with the gays. You know what I mean? It's like these people, these people are going to become Catholic. They're just like, Oh, I kind of like what this Pope is doing. He's like, you know, he's all he's kind of cool with the gays. And it's like, I don't know what to tell you, people. Um, all right. The next clip is the American Reform uh clip. So I sent you two American Reform clips from today's from today, right? That should be from today, correct. So uh American Reform did the dirty work and he slogged his way through this entire podcast, and he pulled some good clips for us. So, shout out to American Reform. If you guys are not following him on X, he is a great follow.

SPEAKER_06 24:30

You know, I tried, I tried one time in my life, I tried to be a little bit optimistic, and it's just been dead.

SPEAKER_05 24:36

I know it blew up. First of all, as soon as I saw it was a woman, I was like, Nah, I know, I know, me too. But you did you I will be I will give you credit. Rob did say, Look, I know she's a woman. He's like, I know she's a woman, but you know, she's from EWTN, she's a little younger, like maybe we're getting the boomers out. That was like your your optimism was more about he he his point was Leo, Leo the 14th is going to oversee the replacement of boomers with millennials.

SPEAKER_06 25:05

And if if if his pontificate last if he lives to be 80, you know, 85. His pontificate is gonna be the pontificate that oversees that transition.

SPEAKER_05 25:15

Yeah, and so like we will we will see the end of that revolutionary generation that came up in Vatican II's uh so for better or worse, you know that I mean that transition I think is gonna be what really what is his legacy for better or worse, right?

SPEAKER_06 25:31

However, he handles that. And I thought, oh, you know, this is way different than any appointment would have been under Francis, but

Feminism Clips And Catholic Media Fallout

SPEAKER_06 25:40

it it's terrible.

SPEAKER_05 25:43

All right, so let's go to this next clip.

SPEAKER_02 25:48

And I don't know what they know. Um it's like if we can compare and say, well, we have this on Sunday. What do you do? Um, we have if you if you go to um Shabbat, so if you have Friday night dinner at a Jewish uh family's home, it a lot of the it's funny, a lot of the prayers. One, they're beautiful, two, they're like super feminist, which is the most beautiful thing ever have a a uh head of a household, a father in front of his children praise his wife for a good 15 minutes. It's wonderful.

SPEAKER_03 26:21

Is everyone listening to that? Go find it. Yeah, I know, right? I'm like, you go find it and tell your husband, like, can you pray this before we eat?

SPEAKER_02 26:30

Yeah, we're gonna get um, yeah. It's truly fantastic and it's ordered in the most I I wanna I want to tell you what's going on here.

SPEAKER_05 26:41

She's on she's on with this woman, and they know nobody watches their videos, and she's just out there blurting what she really thinks, without even a thought that this could get picked up, and years later, years later that this will be picked up, and we're like, it's just just blurting out two women's uh voicing their true opinions, it's super feminist. Like, you should be Jewish, you should be Jewish. Tell your husband to become Jewish so that he can say this prayer, yeah. Like that's that's exactly what that was. Oh, yeah, uh a husband gets up and prays 15 minutes and says good things about his wife. Well, like they oh, it's super feminist, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_06 27:26

Now I see why for uh adversary uh in the deaconate. Uh it's a Zionist.

SPEAKER_05 27:37

Uh the irony is that women will accuse us of hating Jews for saying they should become Catholic, but we're the ones trying to save their souls. Um, yeah, 100%. Yeah. Like this is honestly why you're not like women should not this is why women should not be doing discussing theology like this. Like, she's not in any position to she's super.

SPEAKER_06 28:00

She clearly knows nothing. Yeah, this is gonna Jewish line goes through the mother, that's probably why they pray to them. Every matrilineal society in the history of the world is matrilineal for basically one reason. That's because they, for whatever reason, tend to not know who their father is, so they have to translate them through their mother. No, it's that's because their fathers tend to rape whatever women woman they want. You know, I don't I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 28:35

Um all right, so we got one more clip, which is which is also bad. Fun, yay.

SPEAKER_04 28:44

What does it mean?

SPEAKER_02 28:45

It came up within the context of some remarks that were misinterpreted. You know, our our holy father can't go a week without someone saying that what he said actually meant something else. And um, it's just incredible. I think it's because he's surrounded by men, but and there's our feminine genius plus. We have a tendency to see the world through um um clearer eyes, I think, and with better intentions. You know, we always have good intentions in the way that we speak and the way that we hope that other people are speaking about us. But that's just my my shout out to him. Um, in hoping that he'll continue to engage in bringing lay women in um into the church and surrounding him as well and helping his ministry.

SPEAKER_06 29:25

But I think what is the Mother Angelica would have beat this woman with a cane.

SPEAKER_05 29:31

You wanna know it's funny? They know who we are. What do you mean? That woman knows who we are. Maybe. No, I promise you that woman knows exactly who we are. Everyone at the Phylos Project knows who we are. Everyone over at the Phylos Project knows look. Just because you walked into a doctor's office this week, no, I recognize your voice doesn't mean everyone knows who you are. I'm going to tell you that did happen though. I'm going to tell you, I think that they worry more about our show than they do about like uh women always have good intentions. Yeah, totally oblivious. Like, oh man, totally oblivious. Um, I think that they actually do worry about our show because we have can we have discussed this topic in a very careful way, and it hasn't been it can't it's almost like the way we discuss it, we can't be accused of anti-Semitism because we're not using low IQ anti-Semitist, anti-Semitic tropics.

SPEAKER_06 30:43

And we've had the discussion with Gideon, for instance.

SPEAKER_05 30:46

Yeah, yeah, I'm fairly certain they all know who we are, and they don't want our platform raised in any way whatsoever. Um you know, I'm not trying, I'm not trying to sound arrogant because it does, but that's that's a fairly accurate statement. Like there's a lot of there's a lot of people who would rather pretend we don't exist, but you know.

SPEAKER_06 31:12

Yeah, Anthony is it's he's letting it get to his head that we hit 100,000 before Joe Heshmeier did. Did we? He's not at 100k. No, yeah, he as of yesterday was at like 9.3.

SPEAKER_05 31:25

He'll he'll get it this week, probably. U well, we do have we have a crazy Joe Heshmeier story. Um, should we do that here or you want to do that on locals?

SPEAKER_06 31:37

I think that is more of a locals thing. I it let's finish up with whatever we're gonna do more with this subject. Yeah, go to the exorcist and then go over to locals.

SPEAKER_05 31:45

Yeah, all right. So I mean, really, with this with this topic, it's just the anybody that had hopes that oh, we got an EWTN American over in the Vatican. Man, I I don't I just don't I just see this as it's just I don't know. The gay Italian might have been a better one. I don't know. It's just this is bad. It's bad because she understands the American media landscape. Yeah, and in some ways, uh being more media savvy about the American media landscape is more dangerous. It's part of the reason why I think Leo himself was elected, why Prevost was elected, was because of the the fiasco that was going on in the American media, the American Catholic media space under Francis, right? You have Taylor Marshall, Tim Gordon, all these guys, even like the the papal posse, and you have pretty much everybody unanimously in the conservative Catholic media space was critical of Pope Francis. So now you get Pope Leo in, and Leo's a little more media savvy than Francis was. He throws some smells and bells and you know throws a little Latin here and there, and all of a sudden the American media landscape tones down. Yep. And there's way lot look, you still have your you still have your Uber Trads who are going after Leo. We we just decided we just don't care to talk about it, but like there's it's it's not good, you know, like it's no better over there. There's a couple of things better in that um you're not getting those insane headlines out of Rome every day like you used to under Francis. But in some ways it's worse because Leo is way more media savvy. He knows how to kind of keep keep the um the uh how what would I say like the he knows how to keep the headlines low while still appointing wicked people to positions? Yeah, yeah. And they removed liturgy from the consistory they're doing in two weeks, three weeks, right? It was supposed to be liturgy at the last consistory, they didn't discuss it there. They're like, Oh no, we're gonna push it to the next one. They then the headline comes out about the consistory coming up in June, and they knock liturgy off the palette again. But what does Leo say two weeks ago or last week? Leo's like, oh, liturgy, he's telling priests they have to stop making the liturgy their own playground and things like that. So he knows what to say to get people happy, like the conservatives not upset and not whiling out, and then just doing what Francis did without the craziness. And I think this girl being moved over there is probably more media savvy, especially American media savvy.

SPEAKER_06 34:36

Just especially with like the the boomer dough class, right? The EWTM crowd.

SPEAKER_05 34:43

Yeah, yeah, and they love their women, those those boomer, especially the boomer, the boomer Catholic men are the biggest simps on the planet, like they're worse than any other group. They are the biggest simps on earth. I mean, even Michael Matt, Mr. Trad Michael Matthew. They take white knight, yeah, yeah. He simps for Lila Rose. It's like they invented white knights, basically. Oh, they're terrible. They all think they're white knights, they all think they need to defend these helpless women, these helpless women who are defenseless against these meanies on the internet. Like you men are awful.

SPEAKER_06 35:20

It's funny how um nearly misogynistic their white knighting actually is.

SPEAKER_01 35:26

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_05 35:28

It's like it's like liberals with the blacks, right? It's like the bigotry of low expectations when women for Catholic boomer men, it's terrible.

SPEAKER_06 35:37

All I know as far as that subject goes, all I know is um Ozempic is gonna have a run for its money with the new wave of diabetes coming from the Kool-Aid pineapple jars.

SPEAKER_05 35:49

I wanted to get I wanted to get pineapple and Kool-Aid for us to take to try on the show tonight, but that bitch kind of run itself into the ground.

SPEAKER_06 35:58

It would still be we could we could each record us trying it this week and upload it on locals.

SPEAKER_05 36:05

I I said boomer men. I said boomer men. Some of the some of the older women who watch this show are awesome. Like we have a we have several older women who watched our show, and they are awesome.

SPEAKER_06 36:17

But they still should not

Exorcist Fired After UFO Comments

SPEAKER_06 36:20

they need to be careful driving, and they shouldn't progress.

SPEAKER_05 36:25

They have good sense of humor, they understand. Um, so all right, so then the other main story that has uh come out is um the main story that's also in the headlines today is Monsignor Rossetti being removed as exorcist from the diocese of Washington, DC. Yes, and I think that uh, and and that's Cardinal McElroy. And let's bring up um let's bring up what the RCIC's statement was first. Steven, you're lucky Mrs. Casey is not in the chat right now. What's crazy is they deleted the tweet with the announcement. Did they? Yes. Wow, they deleted the tweet with the announcement because of the pushback they got. Holy cow.

SPEAKER_06 37:22

Well, you know what? It shows a level of uh self-awareness I wasn't aware they had.

SPEAKER_05 37:28

Okay, so um the Archdiocese of Washington announced today that Robert Cardinal McElroy has removed Monsignor Stephen Rossetti, a priest of the Diocese of Syracuse, New York, as an exorcist of the Archdiocese of Washington, and ended all affiliation between the Archdiocese and the St.

SPEAKER_06 37:46

Michael Setter for something, something like something.

SPEAKER_05 37:51

Yeah. Um, so uh so okay, so now we have a statement from Monsignor Rossetti in response to that. So hold on. You have that statement? Yeah, I sent you that statement. Yep. All right, let's bring the statement up. So this this was Father Rossetti's response or Monsignor Rossetti's response. Uh, I am saddened by the decision of the Archdiocese of Washington to cut off its affiliation with the St. Michael Center for Spiritual Renewal. I ask forgiveness for any ways that I have not been faithful to the teachings of the Church's Magisterium, particularly in the cited video on aliens and the demonic. I believe it is of the utmost importance to be obedient to the church, and I will continue to endeavor to subject all that I do and the center to be thus obedient. Also, I will continue to encourage all to do so as well. As I often say, stay in the boat. That is, stay in the bark of Peter. It will lead you safely home. I am grateful for the 19 years of minister ministering in the Archdiocese of Washington as its exorcist, and I thank the Archdiocese for its support and blessing all these years. We will remember the Cardinal and all the ADW in our prayers for this important ministry. SMC plans to continue its ministry elsewhere. God's abundant blessings be yours, Monsignor Stephen Rossetti. So what you would think, so the thing is, I want to find the Archdiocese's statement because they came right out and said, okay, so it's in the Daily Mail article.

SPEAKER_06 39:25

Did you send that to me?

SPEAKER_05 39:26

Uh it's in there, yeah. Okay. Uh yeah, I see that article. Let me pull that up. Okay. One of America's most prominent Catholic exorcists has been stripped of his official role after claiming that many UFO sightings may actually be manifestations of demonic forces. Monsignor Stephen Rossetti, a priest, psychologist, and longtime exorcist of the Archdiocese of Washington, sparked controversy with a video warning Christians about what he believes is this hidden spiritual danger behind the UFO phenomenon. In the video posted Friday to YouTube uh page of the St. Michael Center, Rossetti suggested that many unexplained aerial sightings are not extraterrestrial visitors, but demons attempting to deceive humanity, citing Ephesians 6.12. So uh I want to see what McElroy said. The remarks triggered a swift response from church leaders with Rob Cardinal Robert McElroy subsequently removing Rossetti from his position as exorcist for the Archdiocese. The Archdiocese also severed ties with the center. Um I don't see. So Washington D so McElroy had them pull the article down because they got such crazy pushback. Like first of all, all right, so we have the clip. Um we have the clip of what he said. So uh I said actual video that was removed, apparently.

UAPs As Demons Psyops Or Drones

SPEAKER_05 41:11

The one the the one right above that, that clip. It's above that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The one right above that. So this is this is what Monsignor Rossetti actually said.

SPEAKER_00 41:36

Could there be? Sure, there could be. I we don't know. Uh the church has said there's nothing incompatible with the faith about believing that there's life on other planets. So sure, uh, you could believe that and be a good Catholic. Uh, I personally don't think there is. My mother did, my sainted mother, God bless her. She was convinced there there were uh UFOs, uh and aliens on other planets. Uh fine, whatever. But there's a danger here, and I want to raise that as an exorcist. I wanted to raise that danger, and that is that demons like to hide, they don't want us to know they're rather, they don't want us to know what they're doing because they're more effective when we don't realize it. Uh and they can kind of venture head, you know, and and manipulate things in the world to to influence us to do evil. The scriptures are very clear. Here's what it says for our struggle is not with flesh and blood, but with the powers and rulers of this present darkness with evil spirits. So put on the armor of God that you may be able to resist on the evil day. So the fight we have in this world, this spiritual battle, is is with the evil one. And uh Jesus uh resisted, of course, Satan in the temptation of the desert, and we too are tempted uh as well. Demons indeed can break into the physical world, and at times they can be seen. We we actually have some photos of such things, and uh that we have documented that. Uh sometimes people will see shadow men, many people who are possessed will see uh indistinct dark shadows, uh possessed houses, uh, globes of light, uh all sorts of things, and more direct manifestations, evil hands, we've seen that, and actually images of of beast-like creatures. So at times uh demons will be manifest in this world. I had a uh an incident not too long ago where someone who had a particular gift, and I we documented that gift, and uh she was shown uh a picture of a UFO. She said it's a demon. There's no question in my mind personally.

SPEAKER_05 44:02

Again, this is not de fide, but it's my personal belief that probably many, if not most sidings like the absurdity of firing this guy for saying there's nothing in the church that says you can't believe in aliens. This is just my personal belief. This is not defeated. My personal opinion as the as an exorcist is that these alien encounters can have some uh demonic influence at times. Now, this is what's crazy is yes, that's exactly like he's he's doing he's going out of the way to not be controversial. It's so crazy. I alright, so a couple of minutes.

SPEAKER_06 44:49

McElroy was just really upset that uh that Monsignor here was offending some of his demonic friends, probably.

SPEAKER_05 45:04

It's like um the all right, so I I have uh a couple of priests who reached out to me today. One of them said um that uh Rossetti's like legit one of the best guys in this field. Uh and the other one I talked to was like I I think this was just a power move by McElroy. Like it wasn't really about it was just a power move. He he just yeah he just wanted a he just hates you know orthodoxy, and you know, you have but the thing the thing is, I'll say this.

SPEAKER_06 45:38

Um it it's um like so Joseph Stalin, right? He Stalin wanted a list every day of the people that were going to be killed and purged, and Stalin every day would either would either randomly just cross off names or randomly write in names of of people, not for any reason, but just because he could, right? Just to show he was the boss.

SPEAKER_05 46:05

So the the thing is if he'd have said if McElroy would have said I'm removing him because of his social media presence, like I do understand a bishop maybe not wanting his priest to be all over social media, especially an exorcist, yeah. Like, because look, there is something about sensationalism with exorcists that you have to be cautious of. Um and I could see that being a legitimate reason, but that's not what McElroy said. McElroy said he's firing him because the things he said challenged the they challenge the church's teaching. Very, very um, what did he say? He said what he he basically said, wonder if I can find that he challenged the church's very precise teaching on angels and the demonic. Something like so similar to that, right?

SPEAKER_06 47:03

And like I could if if he said something like the demons were copulating with the the demons appearing as aliens were copulating with women's hybrids, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 47:14

Like, even then, I don't it's I don't think that violates anything that's taught you know, they fit no, and especially because he's prefacing it with this is my opinion, this is not what the church teaches. This is just me personally. I think this is a possibility. This is what's really interesting, is this guy is a former intelligence, like he he he worked in the air force like a former Rossetti. So, like, there's a good chance he's linked up with some of these people in the intel agencies and hearing stories about this stuff that are making him go, Whoa, this is definitely the idea that there is alien life, like like little green men from other planets is so freaking insanely preposterous. The idea that there's beings that traveled millions of light years from another galaxy and made it here is psychotic. I'm sorry, like it just defies all logic.

SPEAKER_06 48:12

So, okay, so the the wording in the statement said um Rossetti's remarks gravely undermined the church's very precise teaching on the devil, demons, and exorcism.

SPEAKER_05 48:25

How? I I in what way did he just undermine the church's very precise teaching on the devil, angels, and demons?

SPEAKER_06 48:35

Especially because so much of the church's teaching on those things is somewhat speculative, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 48:41

Like, yeah, very little of it is defeated. Jimmy A. Aliens have feelings too. I said, uh, I well, first off, I don't think McElroy had any idea how much this would um expand outside of uh even the typical Catholic media sphere. Like he doesn't know the the hornet's nest he kicked because the alien topic is way bigger than just trad Catholics, right? The alien topic is an entity on its own. Like that, if you're if you're gonna start a podcast, right? The the reason Rob and I were able to start this podcast is because we were in a very niche corner of the internet, right? Like you're in this niche corner of the internet, and it's like you get certain people on as guests, and you're gonna other Catholics are gonna get, you know, the YouTube algorithm's gonna recommend you to. If you weren't Catholic and you wanted to start a niche podcast and gain traction, you go into the alien conversation, you start getting some of those look at Steve Skojak. There you go. Like that's that's what that's where you go because there's this very niche, dedicated fan base who are super interested in this stuff because they have replaced angels and God with aliens, yeah. Right, because we're all seeking the heavenly bodies and the heavenly, you know, the the heavenly. So they've just replaced alien, they've replaced the the heavenly hosts with aliens because we're all looking towards the heavens, yeah. And there's a there it is a religious cult, right? It's like it you do the same thing if you wanna if you want to start a pocket, you start talking about vegan stuff. We start talking about like there's or crypto, like there's all these little different niches in the in in the internet world, and aliens is a big one, yes. So McElroy doing this, he's not just kicking the traditional Catholic Horness. He dude, there's an entire Protestant Christian realm that is dealing with this, and there is an entire secular realm that is dealing with it, like you're breaking way out of your typical pushback zone as a cardinal. So now the Daily Mail is picking up the story, and like mainstream news sources are picking this article up. So he's getting pushback on a level he did not expect whatsoever. So they pull the article down, they pull the tweet down, and now they're just sitting back going, whoa, what the hell did we just do? It's uh that's actually what you need. You need it to come from from secular news sources, right?

SPEAKER_06 51:21

Because that's who they respect and care about.

SPEAKER_05 51:22

Yeah, they're not worried about they're not worried about pissing off the Taylor Marshalls and the avoiding Babylons, like they don't even care about that. They're very much worried about pissing off the CNNs and the and and like those are those people are very concerned with this topic, also, and they have people on who are talking about it being demonic and things like that. So it's like he I mean, talk about it, talk about uh a disruption in ecumenical dialogue. You know how many Protestant denominations are just gonna write McElroy off over this? The Protestants are just as in like enthusiastic about this topic as any traditional Catholic.

SPEAKER_06 51:58

The the cops who who were just you know talking about potential union and a like in a Vatican III conference, or they're gonna be like, wait a minute, you guys believe in aliens? No way.

SPEAKER_05 52:10

I mean, what do they think these things are? Like, there's a couple of different options, right? One is people are on drugs, hallucinogens, and they're having these hallucinations, another is mental illness, another is government psy-op, like total government psyop, and the other is or military pro like military technology, you know. I think yeah, is probably behind a good portion, the majority of them, I would think. Of like the actual UFO sightings, yeah. They're not gonna be able to do that. You dude, even all the videos we've seen, they're like they defy the laws of physics. I have not seen anything that defies the laws of physics, especially when you're talking about a lightweight drone that doesn't have a person on it. Like the the things they can make drones do these days are incredible. I mean, it's just there's there, and we don't know how long the government's had that kind of technology. I don't, and I you don't know the technology the government has, they don't defy the laws of physics, they go fast. They go fast, they go fast. That's not defying the laws of physics, they're fast. Oh my gosh, you'll go from this way into that way really fast, and a person would get crushed by this by the way.

SPEAKER_06 53:25

You know how I know you're not autistic. You look at a you look at a an awesome military fighter getting like it goes fast.

SPEAKER_05 53:32

I mean, it's cool, great, it goes fast. No, but honestly, it's I'm more impressed by a jet that goes fast with a person in it because you're talking about g force that can hurt a person, things like that. But yeah, if you're talking about a drone that's an unmanned drone, like you don't know what technologies the government has to make the thing look like it's going 300 miles an hour one way to a dead stop and goes the other way. Like, you don't need you don't, I don't know, it doesn't defy the laws of physics. No, I'm the furthest thing from autistic ever. Like, do you guys know what autism is socially awkward and can't make eye contact or something? Like, I don't I'm the least autistic person on the planet, I think. Um, yeah, I don't know. I just like those options are it's like mental illness, drug use, government tech, psyop, or the or demonic. Like, there's that's it. There's no green combination of all of them, yeah. Yes, it's not aliens from another planet, guys. I promise you, it's not. It's just not like dude. I'm listening to Gresh, the the some of these guys, and he's like, they have aliens, some of them are three feet tall, some of them are 50 feet tall.

SPEAKER_06 54:48

And it's like 50 feet tall. Where do they have it?

SPEAKER_05 54:52

A f like he literally said there are 50 foot tall aliens, and he's like, Well, just think about the diversity of the different biological life that's out in the universe, and the government has 50-foot tall aliens like you are a retard. Like, I'm sorry, shut up. This isn't real. The things that people couldn't even hide Hunter Biden's crack. You think they can hide a 50-foot-tall alien? It's no, what's really amazing is the things that people will believe with absolutely no evidence just to not believe in God. Like, that's really how it comes, what it comes down to to me. It's the things that people will believe, like this alien stuff, they show the grainiest, most garbage video quality stuff you've ever seen in your life. And people are like, Oh, there's life on other planets, this is proof. And I'm like, What? What have a bleeding host over there? A Eucharistic miracle. That's not enough proof. No, no, no. The the the the grainy video from 57 years ago, that's proof that's you guys are retarded. I'm sorry, like it's not even it's not there's no proof of any of this stuff, nothing. It's so silly and dumb. I was waiting when these cachet of of freaking videos came out in this last release, and I'm like, just show me one, just show me one thing that is like what is this?

SPEAKER_06 56:18

Tens of thousands of people see the Sundays of Adiba mass hallucination. A few dirty hippies get butt probed by an alien in the 60s. Must be must be extra track skills.

SPEAKER_05 56:30

This is definitive proof. Absolutely. No, I don't know what to tell you if you don't believe it. It's just so dumb, man. I don't know. Uh, demonic backfire. They're getting they're going to get people to actually look up what the church teaches on aliens, and we'll find people like Daniel O'Connor right before disclosure. Yeah, it's the it's going to be the uh the Streisand effect for Daniel. Yeah, Daniel O'Connor. Man, he had the foresight to see this crap coming. This guy, what a gold mine he set himself up with. We should have been the alien guys, Rob. I know. Dude, he said he puts a video, he puts a four-hour video out, it gets 150,000 views. A four-hour video sitting through four hours. I love Daniel. I'm just he puts four hours out, he gets 150,000 views. We're trying to put these five-minute clips up, and it's like, oh, we got 20k. Awesome. Yeah, how the hell are you guys sitting through four hours of Daniel? He is amazing, man. What a he's a savant. Yeah, Daniel really has been killing it. He picked, he knew this was going to happen, and it was coming down the pike, and he put the work in ahead of time, and man, did that pay off. And plus, he like truly believes from the bottom of his heart this is going to be the deception.

SPEAKER_06 57:52

Yeah, he does.

SPEAKER_05 57:54

So it's like it was a it was a uh a work of passion for him. It was uh, you know, when you when when you have something like that happen where you just you really believe something, you love doing the research on it, it just kind of comes together, man. And now he's the guy everybody wants to get on. To be frank, I like Daniel, but I fall asleep sometimes and wake up and I'm entertained for two more hours. He takes an hour-long nap in the middle of the four-hour video. I I love Daniel too, man. I like I said, I'll I'll start his videos and I'll get through like 45 minutes on them, like, all right, Daniel, I love you, but I can't. I don't know if I can finish this one.

SPEAKER_06 58:29

It's just to have a conversation with.

SPEAKER_05 58:34

Oh, I love having him on our show, but I'm saying his videos, when he does a four-hour video, it's hard to yeah, I don't mean when he's on with us. I love when he's on with us. Um, yeah, he's just he's the guy everybody wants to get on now because he knew this stuff was coming. Uh, Anthony, why didn't you think of getting Jimmy Fake into call in and comment on this story? That would have been cool. We do need to do another We need to talk with Ryan again. Who? Ryan. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I you broke up. Um, yeah, we need to we need to have him. We need another well, we need another judg a Jimmy Jimmy Aiken call in. I'll set that up. Yeah, do you think he could get us? Is it that bad? Can you hear me? You're frozen, you're frozen for me. I don't know if the audio is. I hear you, but it's choppy and you're you're freezing up on me. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 59:30

Do you think he could get us Sam Hyde?

SPEAKER_05 59:34

Maybe, I don't know, because he couldn't get me Gavin McInnes when he worked there, so I don't know. Yeah, but that's because you don't that's because Gavin loves Jews. I wanted I wanted Gavin and Anthony Humia, and he couldn't pull that off for me, so it's weird.

SPEAKER_06 59:48

Some people can see and

Truck Plans Camping Videos Houseboats

SPEAKER_06 59:50

hear me, and others it's terrible.

SPEAKER_05 59:54

It comes in and out. Like some like right now, you're perfect, but it's it's not I mean, listen, you're in the you're in the the woods of Minnesota. What do you expect? It is what it is. I'm not used to having you uh what were you gonna say? Do you watch uh do you watch the kid Mav from Minnesota? Mav. Yeah, he does like camping videos.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:17

I don't know, I've never heard of him.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:18

I gotta send you some of his videos. I'm I'm like addicted to this kid's videos. He's got like he does he he like makes these different vehicles to go and camp out in the wilderness of Minnesota with.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:29

So pretty cool. I didn't tell you, but I bought a truck this week. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:35

Uh I I'm gonna get one of the um the pop-up tents that go in the bed of the truck and just drive that thing somewhere in camp. Dude, that is well. Um I've I've I love the outdoor boys. They're there's no more videos to watch, though. That's the problem. Rob, Rob, you turn me on to the outboard outdoor boys. I turned you on. I yeah, and I think you've seen way more of their videos now than I have, even. I I want I went back and watched like well, I love I love winter camping videos. Yeah, like I love when like people do winter camping. I'm not like a fan of like hunting videos or even the fishing, like I like seeing people rough it in the wilderness. But the kid Mav this week went um he went to the Florida Keys and rented a uh a houseboat Airbnb. And I'm like, holy cow, why did I never think of that? And I'm looking up me and Nicole. I was looking up before, looking up like houseboat Airbnbs. You could just go and stay on a houseboat on a lake. You could there's there's some on Long Island you could go and stay on, and they're set up, they're basically like off-grid cabins, right? Like me and Nicole do that cabin every winter. They have houseboat cabins.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:44

I can't hear you.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:46

Really?

SPEAKER_06 1:01:51

How about now? So okay, can can you hear me now? No, I can't. The the lake that our town is on has two different houseboat uh rental companies.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:03

Yeah. Alone is one of my favorite shows. I hear you fine. It's weird, I don't know. Rob's internet is total garbage. I just love that it's not mine. This is pissing me off. It's all you, bud. Yeah, I know it is. I love it.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:34

Um while you can hear me, oh uh, if you there, I we could rent a couple houseboats for a weekend if you ever came up here.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:43

That would be awesome. On the on the on the on the boundary waters or on a lake up there, where are they? Well, so we're you can't do it in the boundary waters.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:54

There's horsepower restrictions and stuff like that in the boundary waters. It's basically all canoe except for a couple of the bigger lakes. Yeah, but the lake our town is on is you know 15 miles away from the boundary waters, so it's real close. It's in the superior natural forest.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:10

Um, but it's the lake is like 15 miles long, you know, and there's multiple campsites, so you can pull the houseboat up to a campsite, anchor it there, and the campsite will have you know an awesome beach on like an island, and you can just camp there all weekend. There are houseboats that you can drive. Yeah. Like they're not anchored, they're not just like in a marina or anything.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:33

Oh no, you drive them all over the lake, man. Oh yes. You know, you know, like pontoon boats, right? Yeah, the these houseboats are basically pontoon boats that are just two, three times as long as a normal pontoon and have a structure built on top, you know, on top of them that will have a bedroom, a kitchen, a bathroom, and then usually like uh a slide off the roof to the water. But yeah, you you drive them wherever you want to on the lake, and you know, a lot of people will pull them up to a campsite for a weekend and anchor it and hang out at the campsite. Yeah, that's true. You already you already fun Anthony's boat fund. You don't need to fund mine.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:15

All right, guys. We gotta put together Rob's boat fund. Um, yeah. Um all right. All right, so we're gonna wrap this one up. We're over an hour. Uh, we're gonna do Joe Heshmeier, had a crazy thing happen to him. Uh apparently someone tried to kidnap his daughter. Uh, then we also, dude, uh uh what's his name? Uh Ethan Stuve? Is that his name? Stuve? No, no, no. Uh that was his last name is Muse.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:46

Ethan Muse. Ethan Muse? Yeah, so I I thought I thought it was just like an online thing. And then I saw the Alexander Muse, who has like 600,000 followers on Twitter, uh, posted that that Ethan's actually his son. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:07

It's pretty cool. So he posted and he put this whole whole thing out talking about how he he didn't know. Put put this whole thing out about how he didn't know his son had this like niche uh Catholic Twitter fame, and found out like his heard his son's Catholic journey on a podcast. It's a really interesting story. So we're gonna go over there, we're gonna discuss that. Um, and uh yeah, so he was just on Frad.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:42

So five hour long interview, and I actually listened to it all.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:46

It was actually pretty good, really because of Ethan, not so much, but yeah, Rob's a huge Matt Frad fan, no, that's crazy development, guys. Crazy development. Development. Rob is a huge Matt Frad fan once again. Very cool. Ocean. Come on, man. Irony? Well, I wasn't gonna say that. Wow. The irony ocean. No, Fred. Oh, no.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:24

Fred hardly talked the whole episode. It was five hours. Ethan lays out like why Fatima is real and why you're stupid if you don't accept it. Then he goes through all of Padre Pio's miracles and why you're stupid if you don't believe in Padre Pio. Then he goes through uh Lanciano and describes why you're stupid if you don't believe Lanciano. It was five hours of him just in it. What what the what his dad talks about on Twitter is like his like Ethan came to believe in the we're doing it over there.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:57

Don't give these people a little yeah, we're doing it

Locals Plug And Apple Review Requests

SPEAKER_05 1:07:00

over there. It's actually a really awesome story, it's really interesting. So we're gonna do that over there. Yeah, we got stuff for locals tonight. It's gonna be a fun local show. We'll hang out over there. So if you guys are not locals members, come over. Rob's gonna throw the link up right now. Uh that's actually if you if you enjoy this side, I promise you you guys you'll like locals better. Locals is uh locals is definitely where we do our best content, and uh we give you guys uh behind the scenes stuff.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:28

Okay, link is pinned in the chat. Um, if you're watching this later, just go to avoidingbabylon.locals.com. And um, I'm just gonna start cutting feeds here real quick.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:44

Oh man, if you see me over there, me locals finally work. If not, enjoy the money anyway. I'm glad it's oh no no no, wait before we leave, did you oh did you kill YouTube yet? We're still on YouTube. Okay, leave us Apple reviews. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Apple reviews. So listen, Apple just started adding video to their podcast, right? Just like Spotify. And there's a lot of people who watch so the people who pay the extra three bucks on Apple will they get the video portion of they won't.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:18

No, because that because that part the the subscription part of Apple Podcast doesn't have video yet.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:25

Okay, so they'll still just get the audio version of I like it better that way because you're paying less and that's a route around for people to get yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:33

That's a good point.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:34

That's a that's actually good that the that they still only get. So you look if you don't want to pay locals, you could get the audio version only on Apple. There's uh there's the the bonus content on Apple. Three dollars a month, yeah. But we want people to leave an Apple review saying the most ridiculous stuff imaginable, but just leave us five stars. Keep in mind if it gets too ridiculous, Apple just won't post it. You do have to get some sensors. We have some new ones, right? Yeah, we do. Let's pull up the new ones. We'll give you guys a little taste of what you should be doing. The most important part is five stars. Five stars, because that'll get us up into the the the Apple algorithm and they'll promote our show.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:20

Okay, let me uh let me pull up the reviews here. Give me a second.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:26

So we have yeah, we have some new Apple reviews. The Apple reviews was always a fun bit. And what we'll do is if you guys leave us an Apple review, if it's funny, we will read it on the show next episode. It takes a few days to get posted. So if you guys can post the Apple review today, and then by the time next Thursday comes around, we'll do it on Thursday. Because we're not going to do it Tuesday with the encyclical series, but we'll do it on Thursday. We'll read your review on air.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:53

So the most recent one is titled Misogynists and Bigots. Do you like racism, homophobia, and bashing our greatest ally? Here's the podcast for you. Also, even if you pay, you don't get the full episodes if Rob is on vacation. Five stars. Five star review, yep. Uh the one after that. Uh, bang for your buck. Uh no, this one is actually nice to us, so we're not gonna read that one. Uh, just in time for the apocalypse. If you're struggling to find a penance harsh enough to stop the coming chastisement, listen to Anthony and Rob. 40 years fasting in the desert doesn't hold a candle to listening to a New Yorker pontificate pontificate for hours on end. Five stars.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:42

Five stars. That's all we care about.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:43

Five stars. Uh these note-alls make me feel like a crazy lady who has the weirdest conversations with herself because of how much I argue or agree with them. It's unbearable. Imagine trying to cook your family nice meals while wanting to knock some sense into people who can't even hear you. That's more often how I am uh when Thomas Nick's on, to be honest, though. And speaking of meals, they want to stay at home mom stay-at-home moms to police other women online than also to stay offline and take care of our family. So, which is it, guys? Because some of us would rather focus on our families than care about strangers online. Also, lobsters expensive, unbelievable. Five stars.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:21

Five stars. That's it. So you guys get you guys get the point. You guys can trash the podcast, you can make fun of me and Rob. We don't care. Just make it funny and leave us five stars, and we will read your review on the show. So, all right, we're gonna head over to locals now. We will see you guys next time. Take us out, Rob.