100,000 Subscribers: Where Avoiding Babylon Goes From Here (Full LOCALS Show)

100,000 subscribers is supposed to mean you “made it” but the weird truth is our views don’t look anything like they used to, and the algorithm feels more unpredictable than ever. So we kept this milestone stream honest: we troubleshoot the studio in real time, talk lighting and sound, laugh at how brutal live chat can be, and admit what it’s like trying to stay consistent when platforms and software don’t cooperate.

We also get into the bigger picture of Catholic content and the creator economy. We’re tired of the endless negativity cycle and the constant pressure to manufacture drama for clicks, especially when the Catholic audience is smaller than people think. That’s why we’re doubling down on evergreen work: Catholic history, thoughtful interviews, and our ongoing Pope Leo XIII encyclical series, with Aeterni Patris next on the list and more topics like Christian marriage coming soon.

Then we dig into what’s changing online: YouTube recommendations that stop showing creators you actually subscribe to, X feeds that overreact to what you watch, and the flood of AI slop that crowds out real conversations. We talk about why short clips matter, why community support on Locals keeps the lights on, and how we’re planning the show schedule going forward. If you enjoy the mix of behind-the-scenes talk and Catholic commentary, subscribe, share this with a friend, and leave a review so more people can find us.

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Transcript

100K Special Cold Open

SPEAKER_03 0:11

And this is our one hundred thousand subscriber special. We need to get a good guest.

SPEAKER_01 0:16

Don't worry, Rob. I've got this covered. Sorry, Rob. My first choice is actually pretty busy. He's not gonna be able to make it. Did you have any luck trying to book your guy?

SPEAKER_02 0:40

Working on it now. Dear Nick, my name is Groyper Rob. Would you please, please, please come on my super cool Tradcath podcast? It would mean a lot to me.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

Fuck you. Fuck you. You suck. You are fat. You are a joke. You are stupid. You are not funny. You are not as smart as you think you are.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

Maybe Taffy will get his dream guest to agree.

SPEAKER_04 1:26

You got mail.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

Hello, Jewish lawyers. Yes, I'm going to need another restraining order. Yes, same guy.

Studio Lighting And Set Up Fixes

SPEAKER_05 1:49

Oh my goodness. Dude, last night I came up. We we have to work on a few things tonight because Rob wanted nothing to do with this stream tonight. And I'm like, listen.

SPEAKER_04 1:58

I was literally sleeping when you called me.

SPEAKER_05 2:00

I texted him, he didn't respond, so I called him and woke him up. And I'm like, Yeah, like how this whole relationship began four years ago.

SPEAKER_06 2:08

That's actually literally true.

SPEAKER_05 2:12

Wait, first off, I have to turn my air conditioner on because it is so hot down here. Give me one sec.

SPEAKER_04 2:23

There are days where I loathe that man more than others. This is one of those days.

SPEAKER_05 2:29

Um all right. So last night I came on and the lighting was so bad. They were calling me uh they were calling me Rocky last night. Like so I figured we would just do this live on air because uh poor Hitchbourne. Hitchbourne came on last night, and um I was up the night before until like midnight putting the finishing.

SPEAKER_04 2:51

Oh boo hoo, I was up until midnight.

SPEAKER_05 2:55

I was in a car for 34 hours. Yeah, I do feel bad about that. Me and my wife drank two bottles of wine while we like my wife was finishing painting everything in here, and I was putting more things on the wall to try and get rid of the echo and things like that. But by the by the time I got home from work yesterday, I was totally fried. Hitchborne came on, and I just my brain was not firing on all cylinders. Then I'm watching the chat, and it was one comment after another of people just ragging on me, looking like I look like I got hit by a car, like my face was so bad. So I want to figure out the lighting on this thing. I don't I figured you would mean while a slave driver, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:35

And in Pope Leo just apologize for that.

SPEAKER_05 3:39

So wait, I have several lights in here, okay? I don't know what to do though. I don't like I'm not I don't know. I don't know how to handle this. Like I have one overhead I could turn on. I don't know if I should do that. But that's green. Wait, I could change that color.

SPEAKER_04 3:58

I don't know what I should do with the lighting. More than anything, you need more back like to differentiate yourself from your background. So what like on the wall itself, you're saying? Yeah, like maybe I'll put a LED strip under that under that shelf. Well, I have an LED strip on the top, yeah. That helps, but it's the bottom that you look like you blend.

SPEAKER_05 4:23

Or one with your background. So what do you think? Like for on the floor, I should put it. I don't know, or you can even like because I have a strip on the shelf too, right? And I try putting it under the shelf, but you see the I'd have to get like a diffuser. You know what I mean? Like if because if you put the LEDs just under the shelf, it's um like you see the lights, they don't look good. Like LEDs only look good when they're kind of behind something and backlighting something. So I don't know, maybe I should just put them on the floor or on a level lower than where I'm sitting, maybe. Yeah, it's a really nice wall. Jim Jim Pine goes, uh, oh cool. Now you look like every other generic YouTuber in the world with those wood panels. Well, those aren't wood, those are foam, aren't they? They're they're acoustic wood panels with foam behind them. Okay, um, they're pretty freaking expensive, man. They're like yeah, I know they are. All right, so I'm missing is Molly being sarcastic, a black light. Like, should I really get a black light? Um yeah, I don't know. I so I I don't, I mean, I want to take you guys on a tour of this place, it looks really nice. My wife did the bookshelf of it. My main thing was no pompous bookshelf behind me, right? Because every Catholic YouTuber has to have their stupid bookshelf. Well, yours isn't you people say you have the best um Catholic podcast studio.

SPEAKER_04 5:53

Like, I need to I gotta I I gotta rearrange it and clean it up a little bit, but yeah. Now, especially that I opt my game, you really have to wait. I don't I want avoiding Babylon, like I'm no longer a fan of the big gun safe in the background, but that thing literally weighs a thousand pounds at the moment, so it's not moving.

SPEAKER_05 6:10

I don't I kind of know why I want avoiding Babylon in the upper right corner, like and I want to see more of the oh man, I'm gonna have to move this whole desk I think. I'm sorry, guys.

SPEAKER_04 6:20

This is most this is what you guys this is our hundred thousand subscribers. This is our hundred thousand subscriber stream.

SPEAKER_05 6:26

No, I don't like it the way it is, though. Wait, it's gonna be like you know what I mean, right?

SPEAKER_04 6:31

Like, I want I want avoiding babylon. I fixed Anthony's mistake with ocean. He is he is free.

SPEAKER_05 6:39

I yeah, sure it was a mistake. It's totally a mistake. Ocean, no ocean. I love you, bud, but boy, do you drive a bit into the ground, man? Holy cow, is he a bit much? Now, I really didn't mean to ban him last night, but like I wasn't so mad about doing it because he was really he was getting on my nerves last night. I think Molly tuned out last night. Look, the other thing is um we're gonna do like a short YouTube thing tonight, and then we're gonna go to local because I have a ton of people I want to talk trash about. But um, it felt weird doing the stream with Hitchborne yesterday because we hit a hundred thousand and like you should have been there, bud. I was in a car. I know how was that? That one was brutal drive, right? It's lighting, it's really bad. I'm an old man.

SPEAKER_04 7:40

Um you look older than you did four years ago, man to math. Um, this car was a cigar, you missed the notice because this was cooked up in the last 45 minutes.

SPEAKER_05 7:53

So I all right, so my night tonight was I went, I I worked until six o'clock. I was in the city working. I had I smelled like diesel fuel and asphalt, and I had to go to a wake right from work. So I went to the wake, my wife brought me clothes. I changed my clothes, I doused myself in cologne. So I basically went to a wake smelling like diesel fuel asphalt covered in cologne.

SPEAKER_04 8:20

So you went to a wake smelling like an Italian, smelling you're funny when you're mean.

SPEAKER_05 8:27

Maybe we should get you one sleepy more often. Um, yeah, basically. So I go to this wake and um uh I had to uh you know, like hug people and kiss them. Like, yeah. I mean, I tried to use like those hand wipes and stuff to try to clean myself up, but it was terrible. And um, I was on my way home. I got out of there a little earlier than I thought. My wife is still there, it's her best friend. And uh I texted Rob, I was like, let's just do a surprise show tonight because tomorrow I have to work a double tomorrow. I'm working, I have to go in an hour early in the morning, and then I get like a four or five hour break in between shifts, and then I have to go back and have to be on the job at 1 a.m. So there would have been no way for us to do a show tomorrow. And Rob, while you were gone, I destroyed the locals show somehow. I don't know the Father Amato episode didn't work out. Uh I know. And then last night, I don't know, you said I didn't set up an RMTP or something. I don't even know what that means. And then um, yeah, that like people that wonder what Rob's role is here, watch an episode when he's not here.

SPEAKER_04 9:45

The uh I don't know, the audio podcast isn't working great either right now. I don't know what what what happened while I was gone, but it's okay, but you you'll you'll fix it.

SPEAKER_05 9:56

Yeah, because there are people who subscribe to the um like you can you can get the locals show audio only on on podcasts, right?

SPEAKER_04 10:06

Yeah, um yeah, on yeah, especially it's easiest on Apple, but if you don't use Apple Podcasts, there's there's always a link down in the description where you can uh where you can subscribe.

SPEAKER_05 10:19

So yeah, so for you people who are like too cheap to throw the five bucks a month to locals, you can throw three, and there's some people who won't subscribe to locals because they don't want to give their money to uh uh a Jewish um yeah so I found out Dave Rubin hasn't owned locals for like a year or two.

SPEAKER_04 10:38

Oh, that's awesome. The guy who owns Rumble bot locals. Oh, that's great. So we can promote that. I mean kind of it's still right.

SPEAKER_05 10:49

We do have people working working behind the scenes to try and you know come up with a new platform. Um, so we'll see how that works out. Um, man on the street. I have a feeling we'll get a bunch of those when I go to Italy. I think I think that's what I'm going to do while I'm in Italy. I'm gonna have people there to encourage me and film and uh we let him back in. Why did we let the riffrap back in? Uh thank you, Joe. Joe has been working with me now for a couple of weeks. He's doing really good. You know what?

SPEAKER_04 11:25

He's got a you know what I should just go, I should just leave, go to sleep, and Joe can come on and do an old school off the rails episode.

SPEAKER_05 11:32

We could do an off the rails episode. Joe would love to probably come back on. Um but I definitely I definitely have some some crap I want to get into.

Sponsors And Community Win Stories

SPEAKER_05 11:42

Something like this. Well, that that we have to talk about because I just saw um Cavazo's tweeted something out. Yeah, we that we definitely should touch on that. But there's a bunch of stuff I kind of wanted to get into. But also, oh, we have a we have a knickknack success story, Rob.

SPEAKER_04 12:03

Someone mentioned someone messaged me to they help keep me awake for 64 hours driving.

SPEAKER_05 12:08

They got me through this studio, I'll say that, man. But uh I asked today if uh guys should be able to marry a woman who's taller, and the guy reached out to me and he said, I used Knickknack, scored a taller chick, and saved my genetic line because he was doomed to have short children for the next successive generations. Knick knack gave him the courage to step up to a taller chick. We have another Knick Knack success story. If you guys have a Knickknack success story, send them to me. I will highlight your success story on air. Go to knick knack.com, use code ab25% for your first purchase for 25% off. All subsequent purchases use ab 10 for additional 10 off every purchase after. So uh knick knack.com. We love knick knacks and black monk rosary. Uh I prayed one of those today for the for the wake I went to. And um I have to we should all be praying for Ocean as well that he learns to bite his tongue a little bit in the chat. Uh, maybe say a black monk rosary, clearly against the genetics. Yeah, we gotta so oh I keep hitting the button. I'm sorry. So go to Black Monk Rosary, uh, use code AvoidingBabylona checkout, get 10% off. Black Monk Rosaries are awesome. Uh they're great gifts for communion, confirmation. If you have a priest friend, uh if you have a recent convert in your life, great way to initiate them into the rosary. So go to uh blackmonkrosaries.com. So um, yeah, I uh Adrian and I were texting today, actually.

Day Jobs Versus Creator Pressure

SPEAKER_05 13:46

That's not good. Uh just kind of watching over what kind of what's going on in the content space. Like the content space is just I don't know, man. I'm j I'm just very happy that you and I have day jobs.

SPEAKER_04 14:03

Agreed. It made me want to tell you to screw off tonight.

SPEAKER_05 14:09

No, man. Like I I see I see what's happening out there, and I'm just very grateful that we have day jobs and that we don't because the 100,000 subscriber thing, like our views haven't gone up that much. Like, we have these clips that do really well, and that's where the subscribers are coming from. But our main live shows, they're not getting, you know, it's not 100,000 subscribers today, is not what it was a few years ago, right? It's just not right. Like a few years ago, if you had a hundred thousand subs, you were getting 50, 70,000 views, if not more views than subs, more views than subs, right? And then people would come on and be like, oh, half our audience is not subscribed because they were getting higher views than subs. It's just not the case anymore. I don't know what's going on with the algorithms. Same thing on X, like X, the X algorithm is really weird now, man. If you it like I paused on a Dave Ramsey video for a little too long today, and every other video is Dave Ramsey. Like the algorithm is so sensitive on X that if you watch something for more than eight seconds, it's just gonna flood your feed with that kind of content. It's really annoying. Um rebrand the show uh Buttonhole Babylon and get on front of the James Martin and stuff. What do you think we are going to do with the future of the channel, Rob? Because I I I really do enjoy the Papal Encyclical series, and I would like to keep at least one episode a week focused on something like that, even after we finish, you know, getting up to the council. Like I'd like to jump back in time and go back and you know do the council of Trent and maybe study some older popes and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 15:51

I I think it would be fun to um yeah, to have one episode a week when possible, anyways, um kind of focus on on something to do with Catholic history, whether we're studying a you know the what the background of a pope or a document, or um like uh I saw that the um that French movie about the war in the Vindee um finally released here in the US uh just in the last week or so, and like it would be cool to kind of uh maybe do like a faith in film episode with that, but have the first half of that episode you know be a deep dive into the history of the the French Revolution and the War in the Vend D.

SPEAKER_05 16:31

I would love to do the French Revolution, man. It's look, we've always tried to experiment on this channel, right? Like, we did do the faith in film series, we're always trying to throw things at the wall and see what's working, and Von Day, whatever you want to call, I'm not French. Screw you, Paul. Um, even last night with uh Hitchbourne, I I felt bad because I was not in a good headspace for it. But even what what he came on to talk about because Michael reached out to me, he wanted to talk about the report he just released, but we'd been kind of dive like diverging from that kind of content on our channel. And I and I almost like I I don't I don't know. I got I I I'll never say no to Michael just because I love Michael so much. So it was like, yeah, of course. So like we're gonna help Michael promote anything, uh anything that he's doing. But I do think the negativity cycle in Catholic media is just I don't I don't know. I'm tired of it, you know. I I think it's fun to do something topical, but um like I just don't care what's happening in Rome at all. I yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_04 17:41

Like uh, you know, I I've seen some good things and bad things from the encyclical, the new encyclical. Uh I haven't read it yet, I haven't had time to read what is it, a hundred-page book, basically. Um, it's one thing I like about the the older encyclicals, it's like easy.

SPEAKER_05 18:00

You get through them so quick, right? Like you could read an older encyclical in a half an hour.

SPEAKER_04 18:06

But like, does it does it surprise anyone that Pope Leos is um just war doctrine is out of date? I mean, come on, guys. Like, how can that be surprising at this point?

SPEAKER_05 18:19

I just uh yeah, I just I just think it's it's a very different. Um, oh, this is awesome. You guys are you guys are very awesome for doing this. Uh, congrats on 100k. I'm that guy with the Knickknack success story. My fiance and I both love the show. Keep it up, Wag Haves. Yeah, he messaged me today. He goes, How's this first uh knickknack success story? I'll tell you right now, if I don't follow you on X and you want to follow back, just make a show reference. Like he made that show reference on X today, and I followed him right back. That's I because I know I know the difference in my Twitter audience versus the show audience, right? Like I don't my my Twitter audience is all me just like um trolling Protestants and stuff, but over here there's inside show references. So if you if you make an inside show reference, I'll follow you right back. I'm not stingy like Rob with the follows.

SPEAKER_04 19:09

But uh I I do I do follow people who do the show reference. Other than that, I uh if anything, I've been unfollowing people lately.

SPEAKER_05 19:23

Um could always wait, could always go the Lofton route and change the channel name to Crossfire News or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_04 19:31

I don't even know what that man has changed his channel name more often.

SPEAKER_05 19:37

Yeah, I don't need friends. I don't even know what most of these guys are up to anymore, and that's what Adrian was messaging me about today, was one of the other creators in this space. And uh, we'll do it on the other side, but just uh like when you make your livelihood totally dependent on this, it's a dangerous thing, man. Like we can pop on tonight and just goof around and talk about anything. And I know the people that like the show are enjoying this, like it's just us goofing around talking about nonsense, and you guys are enjoying it. But when you're dependent upon views and you're dependent upon this as your livelihood, you don't have the freedom to just get on and and do whatever. Like, I don't even care when we get 3,000 views on a video anymore because the people that want like those 3,000 people that watch are following us over to locals, like our locals is doing better than it's ever done. So that means that means what we're doing is of uh of value and people are enjoying it enough to come and watch the after show, right? So I don't care what the YouTube views are anymore, I just care about are these people trans translating into like real real people like real people?

SPEAKER_04 20:56

I hate saying fans. It's so how is it I have better internet in middle of nowhere Minnesota than you do on Long Island?

SPEAKER_05 21:03

Is it my internet? Yes, because you keep slowing down. I mean, is my is the audio coming through clear at least? No, not for well, okay. Hold on.

SPEAKER_04 21:13

I everyone, whose internet is screwing up? Anthony? Is it mine or Rob's?

SPEAKER_05 21:21

Um it's um what uh that makes me really not like the setup now. What setup? Damn, it's mine. Yeah, you keep you keep like getting choppy to me.

SPEAKER_04 21:38

Well hold on. Some are saying Boltifine, some are saying you, some are saying me. I don't know, man. It's just stream yard.

SPEAKER_05 21:45

It's just stream yard, I guess. All right, sorry about that. Um uh yeah, the it it is translating into people wanting to like watch the answer. Like what we're doing tonight is essentially what we would do on locals, except we we say names on locals. Locals, right? Like over here, we're like we're guarded about who we're talking about, where over there we're just like we don't care. We're gonna say Tim Gordon's name. Oh I knew it. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding, trying to make a joke. Settle down. Hey, if this starts something, it's your fault. I don't really care at this point, to be honest. Don't really care anymore. I don't care what anybody's doing. Everybody just go and do their thing. Someone said my background looks like I'm copying Gordon. Why? What is Gordon's background? You're gonna make me look that up now?

SPEAKER_04 22:44

Hey, there's one thing that's very different, and that's background audio. Anthony doesn't have it. Never mind. Never mind. Wait, now look at Tim Studio.

SPEAKER_05 22:54

Rules for retrograde, Tim Gordon.

SPEAKER_02 22:57

I want you to think about it.

SPEAKER_05 23:00

He does have a neon sign, but he has a brick wall behind them and stuff. Come on, stop it. We will not be taking shots at Milo.

SPEAKER_04 23:09

We are not suicidal.

SPEAKER_05 23:11

No, I'm not. I'm not going to war with Milo. I'm not going to war with Gordon either. I'm just teasing. I'm trying to make a joke. Um yeah, it's like uh, you know, it's just a it's a rough game, what's going on out here. But let's see. Uh Gordon's Gordon's live right now. He's got 97 watching. How many do we have watching? 175 on YouTube.

SPEAKER_04 23:37

172.

SPEAKER_05 23:39

On YouTube, yeah. 174 on YouTube, then you got 168 on my X and 50 on your X. So 393 total watching. Uh, but Tim's also like tonight he's covering Old Versus Young Earth for Christians, which is a topic we did for a year. Two years ago. Yeah, three years ago. Yeah. Um, this internet is kicking. Like you're freezing up to me. You look very blurry. You're freezing up to me.

SPEAKER_04 24:21

I don't know what's going on here.

SPEAKER_05 24:24

Um, streamy artist sleepy. All right. So what we'll do, Rob is freezing. Yeah. All right. Are we going to have a

Start Times And The Locals Aftershow

SPEAKER_05 24:30

consistent start time and be punctual? Absolutely not. So, all right, so here's the thing with start time. We would like to move the show to 7 p.m. regularly. The problem is sometimes I get home a little late, and I like it may get pushed to eight, but we're going to aim for seven. Uh, and we're going to try and stick to the Tuesday-Thursday schedule. But this week, you wouldn't have gotten a second show this week if we didn't jump on tonight. So we jumped on tonight. Um, you know, because we thought you guys would miss out on one tomorrow. So um, nah, y'all ruining my routine. Uh, all right. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna go over to locals so that we can actually talk about the people that we want to talk about and uh not start any drama. So we we're gonna talk about uh we're gonna talk about Nick Cavazos's tweet about Pelican. And um, yeah, there is a there is a thing going on in the content space that I would like to talk about. And not even in a way to start any drama, just like I'm just curious what people are doing, man. It's it's very uh it's very very odd the behavior that I'm watching.

SPEAKER_04 25:38

So yeah, I do have a very funny outro/intro to locals. But for anyone who is watching this, especially if you're one of the new 20,000 subs we got this last month, go over to avoidingbabylon.locals.com. Hey, by wait, no, we did sponsors. Go over to avoidingbabylon.locals.com.

SPEAKER_05 25:59

Um well, first off, thank you to everybody who does watch this show. Like, um uh all joking aside, like this show. Uh what Rob and I do here, it has enabled us to uh have like a little side gig that helps our families out. I now am able to like it. I I Rob and I had like a little savings, and I was able to take money out of that savings to to build the studio and stuff. And it's been uh it it's been really, really exciting doing this show over the past few years. And there's times where you just want to jump on and say something and you know have have have people to hear you out. And it is really nice having you guys as our uh as our viewers, and we appreciate every single one of you. Uh we're gonna head over to the other side. Uh Taffy's got a good uh outro video, so if you're not a locals member, you can watch the outro video, and then all the cool people will see you on the other side.

SPEAKER_04 26:54

To be fair, everyone's gonna be able to watch the outro video, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:07

What the pump joke would be good, that was as bad as me doing the outro video.

SPEAKER_05 28:05

What'd you do then? You glitched out on it.

SPEAKER_04 28:07

I was clicking it and it wasn't playing. I don't know what the heck is going on.

Florida Trip And St Augustine

SPEAKER_05 28:13

How is Florida, man?

SPEAKER_04 28:16

It was a lot of fun, it was really good. Um yeah, it was it was I I do love that area, the St. Augustine area. Um, so many cities in the U.S. feel like like copy, you know, copy paste. Yeah, every city is almost the same with just small variations. St.

SPEAKER_05 28:36

Augustine is you feel like you're I don't know, you feel like you're in the Mediterranean somewhere, which is yeah, Charlotte, Charlotte has like a real like because uh when I went to Charlotte, was is it no we what's the one in South Carolina?

SPEAKER_04 28:54

Charleston?

SPEAKER_05 28:55

Charleston, Charleston, like when I went there, it has like this real New England feel, like it was super clean, but just very different from like your modern metropolis, like Chicago or New York or anything, you know. It was a similar, similar kind of thing.

SPEAKER_04 29:10

I mean, you know, St. Augustine, it's cool. It's uh you're in a city that's 500 years old, basically, right? Like it's and uh you know, it's um on one hand, I do love going to the the cathedral there because it's the oldest parish in the US, not so much the building, because of course the the English Protestants burned down the original, so they had to rebuild it in the 1800s, but like the the actual you know, the parish, the community itself, it's the oldest Catholic community in the country, but because it's the cathedral, it's also very novice ordo and uh boomers, dude.

Mass Culture And Communion Lines

SPEAKER_05 29:48

Visiting visiting the novus orders throughout the country is always interesting, right? You never know what you're gonna get. It's like it's like novus ordo roulette.

SPEAKER_04 29:57

At these at these boomers, these old I would assume New York Italian boomers who've moved down to Florida from New York acting as ushers, right? And like they're very strict ushers because it's the cathedral and it's a tourist spot, so they're not letting people into the mass after it starts and things like that, and um, which is whatever, I don't care about that. But like when it comes time for communion, you know, we're we were sitting in lines, we're sitting in the very far back because we have you know four kids. So, you know, I we see that we're in the wrong spot to go to the line with the priest, and there were two priests and a deacon at this mass, and one of the priests sat the whole for communion, let the other you know, priest and deacon, and then four uh extraordinary ministers, you know, give out communion. So we finagle it to where we're at the very end of the line with the priest, and of course, the other the line for the Eucharistic minister is much shorter, and the the ushers are almost physically trying to put push us over there. I'm like, no, no, and then of course we get the it's the same host. I just tell them no, so we get up to within 20 feet, right, to get communion, runs out of hosts, priest runs out of hosts, so the you uh eucharistic minister, you know, takes a spot, and luckily there the the pews were set up to where there was a front section, and then you know, like at the transept, so you were able to pivot you up, and yep, so we just turn away. I make eye contact with the Eucharistic minister as I turn my whole family away and walk right to the back.

SPEAKER_05 31:43

Oh man, it really is so bad. Dude, there's a priest, there's uh uh uh a priest at the local Nova Sordo parish who I have really grown fond of at that I go to for confession. Like I'll wake up Sunday morning at 7 a.m. because they do 7 a.m. confess 8 a.m. or whatever, 7 30 a.m. confession at the local Nova Sordo and I'll wake up just to go to confession to him, and he's basically been my confessor for the past like six, eight months. And we've you know, we've developed like a a bit of a rapport, he kind of knows you know knows what's going on. Like I was telling him, um, I was like, Yeah, I'm I'm facing a little bit of an issue when I go to Fire Island because the the church in fire is of all the gays, the parish from Fire Island is so atrocious. You think you think what you dealt with is bad, dude. The parish from Fire Island is atrocious. And he's like, Okay, well, if you go to Ocean Beach, which is like a half-hour half-hour boat ride away, like if you go to Ocean Beach, there's actually a pretty orthodox parish there. Like if you have to fulfill your Sunday obligation and you don't want to, you know, because I do get stuck there sometimes. Like if I do a three-day weekend there or something, like I'm not leaving to go to a Latin mass, and I still want to fulfill my obligation. So he he told me where to go. And uh I just just found out this Sunday that they're moving him. Of course, as soon as you like meet a solid priest, they freaking move him out, and it's like it's enraging because this idea of like you you develop a relationship with a spiritual father, and then your father just abandons you.

SPEAKER_04 33:17

You you want to hear something uh funny? Maddie. Maddie did this, yeah. So on the ride down, we're talking about the the city Saint Augustine, right? And I'm telling him who it's named for, you know, Saint Augustine is his patron saint, um, one of his patron saints. Um, hold on, give me a second here.

SPEAKER_05 33:40

Uh Joe uh lives on Long Island with me. They said the priest at the no at the at the um fire island, he used to sing John Lennon's songs in the college worship hours. Like, dude, it was it's so bad over there.

SPEAKER_04 33:54

Uh what were you saying? So I'm I'm telling Maddie that you know Saint Augustine is named for Saint Augustine. He's like, why why do we say it different? I'm like, Well, the silly Protestants, you know, if they for some reason say Augustine, and you know, America this kid is going to grow up hating Protestants. Well, okay, okay. So here's so I I tell I I kind of explained that to him. America was mostly Protestant, they're pronouncing it uh Augustine and whatever. So uh so after Mass, we were we're sitting with um Hope's mom, who is a Protestant, and I I'm like, and you know, I we were talking about how at the the church they had a relic of Saint Augustine, and Maddie goes, Yeah, you know, and Saint Augustine, who the Protestants call Saint Augustine.

SPEAKER_05 34:45

I'm like, Maddie, shh I'm like Maddie, don't absorb everything at that age, man. You have to be careful what you feature them. Like I'm telling you, you really do have to be careful what you feat them. Um, somebody's asking if you should not receive from extraordinary medicine. I mean, the church allows it, you know.

SPEAKER_04 35:03

We're not gonna say you shouldn't, but you know, I I yeah, all I know is I won't, and I won't have my family do it, but that's like the only answer for myself.

Ragebait Incentives In Catholic Media

SPEAKER_05 35:12

Um, so yeah, honestly, the the Tim Gordon thing, um, I watched because he tweeted yesterday. Uh, he's like, I would love to host a debate between my two favorite people, Comic Dave Smith and Michael Knowles. And I'm just like, dude, do you really not know what the perception of you is out there, man? Like, Michael Knowles will never be seen with him publicly ever again, never ever again.

SPEAKER_04 35:42

Like, and he 100% regrets ever being seen with him.

SPEAKER_05 35:46

Tim Gordon has the way he goes about things, he it's it's worse than Jay Dyer or on that level. Like, I feel like about the same. He's like emulating Jay Dyer's style. Like, even what Jay Dyer is doing with Ruslan right now, like it's just like you you put yourself in a situation, and then you and then these debate me bros, and then they're like, You won't debate me. It's like, who the hell wants to sit in a room with you? You saw how Gordon try to provoke me into an argument, provoke you into one. He did it, he does it with everyone, like he's he's gotten to the point where nobody thinks there'll be a good faith conversation with him anymore. Like, all he wants to do is go for the for the uh for the clicks and the and the rage, and it gets him attention. It gets him attention, and and they're writing news articles about him, and they're doing it doesn't get him such subscribers anymore. It it's not translating into an audience, is what I'm saying, right? Like Tim Gordon has been on, he's been on with Crowder, he's been on, he was on Elijah Schaefer's show when that before that kid hit the wall and freaking drove off a cliff. Uh he was like uh he was on Tim Poole's show. Like, if we ever got that kind of exposure, that would have translated into an audience.

SPEAKER_04 37:07

Yeah, I'm not if yeah, if we had been on half those things, can you imagine the numbers we'd have?

SPEAKER_05 37:16

Yeah, and and it would be had none of that. It would have translated into an audience of people that actually enjoy the show because there's something to enjoy here where what he's doing is so brash and juvenile at this point that I just don't know what he's like. I don't know. I'm watching him going off on Heshmeier again. Like it's the way he talks to people is just so obnoxious. And I've like I've been talking to Heshmeier behind the scenes a little bit, and I would like look, I don't agree with Joe Heshmeier at all. I think he's awesome on some things. You don't agree with him on like one subject, on one subject in particular, right? Yeah, but I think Joe knows he'll have a good faith conversation if he comes on here. Like, I even even the clip we put out today saying is Joe Heshmeyer wrong. I messaged him and I said, Look, I said we do mention you in this clip. The clip's not really about you, but I did um mention that it would be uh it would it might be interesting to have a conversation together. He said, I'm I'm at Benedictine College right now. He goes, uh, but when I get back, we'll we'll we'll we'll look into it. So it's like, yeah, Joe and I disagree on the subject, but he also knows he's not gonna get ambushed on my show. I'm not gonna try and ridicule him. And like Tim with the with the wives obey your husbands stuff, it's like we all know this at this point. This, you know, this we all know this. And the thing is the culture is so broken at this point that driving that same single point down, like like like wives are it, it's not it's not being communicated well. No, it's just not being communicated well. It's like I I don't I don't know. I just don't I I'm not saying this as a criticism of what his thesis is. I'm saying this is like I don't know what he's going to do because I our our YouTube views are down, right? Like our YouTube views are not doing the greatest right now, even though we're hitting 100,000 subs, but it is translating into this after show, and this is where we actually sustain what we do. I don't know what Tim's doing, I don't know if that's translating into an after like into his locals thing. I don't I don't really know what these other guys are doing because it doesn't seem like it's easy to garner an audience these days, man. People's attention span is really short, and they can detect people that are just going for clicks and rage bait and stuff like that. And I think that I think that like people might watch a clip of something because they want to catch up on on something, but I don't I don't think people are sitting in for a full show of of Tim's show anymore.

SPEAKER_04 40:02

No, uh I think that era is is done right, you know what I mean? Like uh it's definitely not 2020, 2021 anymore. The long time stuff doesn't get doesn't get a ton of views, and the views it gets it's people that are falling asleep to stuff, you know. It doesn't translate too well into people subscribing to your Patreon or locals or it's still it still works for people commuting, right?

SPEAKER_05 40:31

Like I'll still go and I'm always looking for a good podcast to listen to on a good on a long commute, yeah. So I think that's where that's why I think I'm enjoying the the history series we're doing because I do think but but commuting is kind of a thing of the past too with work from home and remotely. Not for me.

SPEAKER_04 40:49

I'm still I'm still no, I know, but I mean it's not like it used to be, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 40:53

Yeah, like that or that morning drive or afternoon drive was such a coveted spot, right? But now people could get things on demand whenever they want, so it's like whenever they do take their drive, they'll check stuff out. But it's important to be putting those 10-minute clips, those those 15-minute clips out there for people to have a short commute and just want to kind of catch the highlights because not everybody has two hours to sit and listen to Anthony and Rob go off, you know.

SPEAKER_04 41:17

Um for those of you who do, interesting choice, but thank you.

SPEAKER_05 41:24

I uh people saying like Tim needs to reconcile with his brother. Like, I honestly think the the way forward for everyone is to kind of make peace and kind of collaborate with people that you don't see eye to eye on everything with and have have decent conversations with them, not these bombastic back and forths that worked 10 years ago, especially because the the audience the the audience base for uh Catholics as a whole is not big enough to where it can be split and split and split further, you know, into these little niche groups that all avoid each other, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 42:07

I mean, like yeah, it's it's not like uh sports fans, you know, it's not like it's not like politics as a whole where you can it's such a large base that you only need half of one percent to make a living. There's not enough intentional Catholics to to do that, especially on the trad side.

SPEAKER_05 42:28

Yeah, yeah, you have to expand beyond the Trad audience

Pelican Plus Drama And Audience Reality

SPEAKER_05 42:32

now. I look that's the that's the whole thing with Pelican 2, man. Pelican was never going to work. I don't care if it was somebody besides Dan Seveny over there, it's just not a big enough audience. Dan Seveny, I would love to see it burn to the ground, but yeah, yeah. I wouldn't even disagree there, but the the Pelican thing never could have worked because there's not a big enough audience pool for that group of guys anymore. There was there was at one point under Francis. I think you know, because because you had normy Catholics freaked out about Francis, so they were gravitating towards trad content. I don't I don't think it's the same as it was before, and I think I think the average person has a similar view to us, which is not that we don't see uh alarming things happening, we do. We're very alarmed by what we're seeing. We're just we're just tired of talking about it, like like who cares?

SPEAKER_04 43:25

I mean, let's be honest. Uh Dr. K's audience is the entire audience for what Pelican could have ever been, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, that like audience outside of that.

SPEAKER_05 43:40

He's carrying the look. I mean, you have uh Christopher Ferrara over there. That's a good get. I he still he still pulls in people, still do enjoy Christopher Ferrara and uh I don't I don't know, like there's that that thing could have worked with the right group of guys coming in and the right vision. I think, but it couldn't just stay in that little trad corner the way it is. It needed to have a way bigger uh that's why I tried to I tried to bring Brian Holdsworth over, and I was talking about bringing Joshua Charles over. And I was like, look, these are this is the kind of the group you want to get together. But it just the whole way that Dan Dan's business plan operated was just totally freaking ridiculous, man. And then Nick put out today, um Nick, like just I think Nick's just going balls to the wall at this point. He goes, uh, unfortunately, Dan Seveny is still the head of the board of head of the board at Pelican Plus with six court cases against them for alleged fraud, theft, and misappropriation of funds. Christians need to discern on what is going on. Today, all of the development team, editors, designers, and social media contractor were fired. I pray for his repentance if these allegations are true. Uh, I think uh I would be shocked if these allegations were not true. Uh yeah, I agree. I I would be shocked if they were not true. And uh at this point, it's just like I don't know, man. Um I'm just grateful that we still have a platform at this point. I'm very glad we never tried to move our thing over there and got involved with that whole thing because there's no possible way that thing works. No possible way.

SPEAKER_04 45:29

Uh it's a collection, it it's the um it's the trad Catholic version of the island of misfit toys, right? They're all more or less failed groups, uh failed enterprises that all decided to join together and fail harder.

SPEAKER_05 45:50

Yeah, look, even the daily wire is collapsing, though, right? Like everybody wanted to build the Catholic Daily Wire. Like the cat the Daily Wire is collapsing. Jeremy What's ironic is they did build the Catholic Daily Wire. Yeah, you're not wrong. But oh man. Um the uh like the quartering, his channel's collapsing. Like, I don't know what is happening in this space, so that's why I I said I I said I like I only care about what happens over there translating into this after show. Like, I just want to make sure that people are enjoying this portion. So I would like to like we're gonna always do the even when we do these encyclical series, we're always gonna carry the show over to here. We're always gonna, you know, if we miss one locals episode in a week, we'll try and make it up. I want to make sure that we always do right by the locals audience because you guys are the ones keeping the lights on.

YouTube And X Algorithms Plus AI Slop

SPEAKER_05 46:44

It's not YouTube is I feel like they're they're weeding out the people that they don't want to have a platform, and that and it's just becoming like YouTube used to be the place where an independent creator could go and build a platform and expand, and now YouTube is weeding out those independent creators and picking their own guys that they want to elevate.

SPEAKER_04 47:03

Well, I I think I don't necessarily blame YouTube for that because I think they've been inundated with AI slot, you know, AI voiceovers, reading AI stories with AI thumbnails. And hey, I'm not gonna lie, I use AI to make some of the thumbnails. Like, yeah, like I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna not, I'm not gonna not say that, but like our content is still like you and I, and yeah, we have AI intros, but a real life person going by the fake name Taffy, you know, like it's still like uh human creative power behind.

SPEAKER_05 47:40

It's his comedic touch on it, right? Like he's using inside show references. He tried, yeah, yeah, he's using like yes, it's AI swap. We all know it is, it's it's you know, but it's funny because it's filled with show references, and like the Hitchbourne intro was hilarious.

SPEAKER_04 47:56

And the the AI, like the the AI aspect of it is part of the humor, too.

SPEAKER_05 48:01

Yeah, it's like so over-the-top ridiculous that it's like it really is funny, man. I don't know. I love I love the tapping intros. I don't want them to go anywhere. Uh Majarian says YouTube homepage recommends me the same five videos that I scroll past every time.

SPEAKER_04 48:14

Yeah, it's a it's a total it's been bad. I well, like drive driving the 64 hours over the last week, like it was near impossible to find something I actually wanted to watch on YouTube. You know what I mean? It didn't used to be like that.

SPEAKER_05 48:29

Yeah, well, there was a lot less creators out there, so there was less of like it's almost like when you look on on Prime now to watch a movie or something, there's so much crap out there that you can't you'll spend an hour looking for something. Where when you used to go to blockbuster videos, like there was 60 60 movies to choose from.

SPEAKER_04 48:47

You picked one, you know, it's not and and now when I find when I'm like, oh, when I actually find a new channel that has stuff that I like, I mean I'll binge that channel for three weeks, go through everything they have, yeah, but then they put out one thing a week. I'll see on top of it for a while, but then uh I forget, and for some reason, YouTube doesn't recommend it to me.

SPEAKER_05 49:09

There was channels like you there was channels I used to watch all the time that just disappeared from from my feed. So I know that's happening with our channel. It's not like it's not like YouTube is still showing our like I've I've had somebody say to me, you guys still make videos because they just stop showing our stuff in their feed. It's not it's not like a subscriber translates to them getting a notification like it used to. It used to be if you subscribe to us, you would get notified.

SPEAKER_04 49:35

Now it's really just my subscriber tab and actually click on the subscribers to see if they've put out anything new. Yeah, it's I mean it's it's painful.

SPEAKER_05 49:48

Yeah, yeah, it's really just bragging rights at this point now, saying you have a hundred thousand subscribers. Like, and I just want the stupid play button.

SPEAKER_04 49:54

And we, I mean, uh, we're not gonna like we we've paid kind of for a lot of the the subs, not in the sense of we paid a third party to subscribe to us, but like it seems like one of the only ways to get shown to new people on YouTube these days is to buy is to pay for Google AdSense, right? So we put a little bit of money behind certain clips for those clips to get shown to people, and then those people do click, you know, they have to choose to subscribe.

SPEAKER_05 50:23

Yeah, they're not showing your it used to be where YouTube understood that like if you when we interviewed Taylor Marshall, it would then show our videos to Taylor's audience, right? If we interviewed this person, it would then show our videos to that person's audience because they knew, hey, if people are liking this content, they're also gonna like this content, they're also gonna like this content. We're all talking about the you know, it was like a way to build an audience and build your content out. Now it's just whatever the algorithm feels like giving you, and we just wanted the stupid play button 100%. So we're like, we're gonna get to 100k, and then we just don't care about YouTube anyway. Not that we don't care about it, like I still do enjoy doing the YouTube show, it's more polished, right? You get to you have to focus on your topic, you have to think of something creative, and and it has to be fast rhythm, fast pace, and you have to you have to constantly give people something because you'll lose their attention. When we come over here, it's a little more laid back because we know you guys actually like us, and we could talk behind the scenes stuff with you guys, fill you guys in on some of the some of the things that are going on with maybe that you don't know about and things like that. It's a little bit different.

SPEAKER_04 51:36

Yeah, it's um it would be different too if the the way the software we use, trendyard, worked better with locals, right? And yeah, because it's hard to like, yeah, Ant and I are reading at least some of the comments that are coming through our locals right now, but I can't show that comment on screen, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 51:58

It kind of sucks.

SPEAKER_04 51:59

And it sucks, you know. Local or YouTube is still fun in that way for us, um, to where we can click on comments, can show comments, yeah. Um, and I don't know if locals is ever gonna get that level of interaction with with any piece of software, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 52:15

Um, which is which is why we're gonna comments like X X is pretty well integrated with StreamYard, but it's just X is just terrible to view videos on. Yeah, somebody's asking which one of us will get the play button first.

SPEAKER_04 52:28

You you started the channel, you get the play button first. So awesome. Oh, we we will be able to order more than one.

SPEAKER_05 52:38

Yeah, well, I want both of us to have one. I want mine, I want mine right under the avoiding Babylon sign.

SPEAKER_04 52:43

I'll put mine back on the bookshelf. Um ocean, damn you. What did he say?

SPEAKER_05 52:53

Yeah, Majarian said he's super busy, he hasn't even been in here in a minute. But uh Majarian tends to not watch the YouTube side and he tends to check out the local side. Like, I only see Majarian in this chat, really. He never really checks out the YouTube side. Like, I do think you guys enjoy this side more, right? Like, um, yeah, the X algorithm sucks lately, man. I don't know. It's not it's because especially on weekends. On weekends, I don't go on, and then to get back into the algorithm on Monday after being off for three days, it just is so hard to get something to pop off.

SPEAKER_04 53:32

Which sucks because Monday is like the the day everyone's online.

SPEAKER_05 53:38

Yeah, it's just I I have a hard time getting back into the groove after spending the weekend with my family trying to stay off my phone. Like, I'll I don't know, man. Getting that getting those the time with my family to just detox from some of this crap and then to come back on and try to like I I get kind of like a flow state on X sometimes where like one thing will pop off and I can bounce off of that and hit hit with something else.

SPEAKER_04 54:01

I'm not in that mood, it's just did you did you see now that they basically will tank everything after your first two tweets of the day? No, yeah, the yeah, the the more you tweet in a day, the less your stuff gets shown to people. Oh wow, I didn't know that. Yeah, it's basically uh two tweets a day is is what the algorithm wants to show people. That sucks.

SPEAKER_05 54:31

So you gotta have two good bangers. Yep. All right, so I gotta rework the the algorithm a little, I guess. Yeah, like even like like the my tr my Protestant trolling tweets don't even get shown to the Protestants anymore.

SPEAKER_04 54:46

That's because you you do stream of conscious tweeting, yeah, right? Everything you think get makes it to the makes it to your Twitter page.

SPEAKER_05 54:55

That's literally how it works.

SPEAKER_04 54:56

I know that's that's why it's sucked for you lately.

SPEAKER_05 55:01

Um, I have well, sometimes I'm trying to work out ideas that I know I'm gonna bring here, right? So but it's been a while since I've had any inspiration, right? Like I haven't even wanted to do a truck video lately because it's just it just seems like there's a content drought right now. I don't know. It's like politics sucks, church drama sucks. I don't know what I don't know what the next thing is. I don't know. We gotta figure it out. We're gonna stick, we're gonna stick with the encyclical series, and then the other day we'll try to do interviews and uh current events, like whatever's whatever's happening in the news. Because I do still like commenting on whatever the hell is happening, it's just there's just not much happening in the news right now, so it's a little boring. Yeah, and and and and hope Leo's encyclical was boring, and then he trolled us today with his liturgy tweet. James Martin jumped on it. Did he? Yeah, Leo puts out a tweet about how priests need to follow the red and do the like whatever, do the black and read the red, whatever the hell the saying is. And James Martin was like, I concur with this. This is and I'm like, Yeah, they're just trolling us guys.

SPEAKER_04 56:17

There's a lot happening. Look at Lebanon.

SPEAKER_05 56:21

Oh, yeah, oh well no, and we're in world events, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 56:24

I mean, but here's the thing like I say up to date on world on geopolitics, I don't know nor nor really care what's happening in Lebanon.

SPEAKER_05 56:34

Like, yeah, I do think uh getting Joe Hashmeier on to discuss the the Jewish question will be a good conversation. Yeah, I agree. Because I want to st I want to discuss it on a story level, and I want to discuss it on how Catholics should approach this because I do see we're dividing into two camps, and you're getting this kosher Catholicism being put out, and it's like we all believe the faith, but what is the proper approach that Catholics should have towards Jews, especially the current state of Israel and the Zionist movement and all these different things? I want to talk to somebody who leans more on that side of the debate and have an actual conversation and see if we can get somewhere on it. I don't know if we will, but I think it can happen.

Next Encyclical Plans And Farewell

SPEAKER_05 57:24

So, all right, we're gonna wrap this one up. I told Rob we keep it at an hour, we're uh coming up on an hour now. So I don't think we're gonna be able to do a show tomorrow. That's why we popped on tonight. I have to do that double shift, and then I'm going away for the weekend. So we will be back on Tuesday. Rob, what do you want to do Tuesday? Do you know which encyclical?

SPEAKER_04 57:40

Well, so yeah, I was gonna say we should decide that now. Um okay, I'm gonna give you uh two two choices. So I think no matter what, at some point we need to do uh a turn uh attorney Patras, um which is on the the restoration of Christian philosophy. The question is, do we want to do that one next, or or do before that, do we want to do uh quad uh uh stology moneris, which is on socialism? If we like it said, no matter what, I think we need to do attorney patras, but if we do that one next, we'll see.

SPEAKER_05 58:23

I feel like attorney patras was something that was just discussed recently.

SPEAKER_04 58:29

Like so attorney patras it doesn't have like the the social or political ramifications of so many of the other ones, but it's uh it's it's widely mentioned as like one of the most important ones for other reasons.

SPEAKER_05 58:47

Let's do that next. Okay, and then uh do you think you have a good political context around it and historical context around it and stuff?

SPEAKER_04 58:56

I mean, do I like I know what was going on? Uh it's 79, 1879. So it's right after um it's it's gonna be nine years after Vatican I.

SPEAKER_05 59:11

After Vatican I.

SPEAKER_04 59:13

But like the quad uh uh apost uh the the one on socialism is a year before that, so it's not much earlier.

SPEAKER_05 59:21

Is it worth doing them both like a double header?

SPEAKER_04 59:25

No, um because like Leo Leo the 13th, like like we've mentioned, wrote one third of all in history, so he was pumping them out one after another after another after another, so no um can we can I ban Ocean on on locals?

SPEAKER_05 59:45

He pays for locals. No, he doesn't. We gave him a free subscription. Oh, that's right, yeah. Hey it was a little punk.

SPEAKER_04 59:55

I I don't know, I mean like so uh other ones I know we want to do. Uh humanum genus is Freemasonry. We want to do that one. Immortality day is on the Christian constitution of states.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:10

Wait, wait, wait, wait. There's one on Freemasonry, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:14

But that that's later that you know that's in 1884. Um quad uh apost uh I can't sometimes last it sucks. Um that one is like the first first uh condemnation of socialism. But like we'll get you know, we'll we'll talk about socialism with like rareum and other ones too. So I don't I don't know. I feel like we can skip that one.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:40

I say I say we do attorney pastras, we'll skip one and we'll get into rare Navarum when we when we do rare Navarum. What year is Rare Mavarum?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:48

Uh it's a good question. Um, I think it's like 10 years or so later. Okay. Rare the 13th. Oh, 1891. It was yeah, 12 years later. How what how how long was he the Pope? Long time. Not as long as uh Pius the Ninth. He was uh 1903.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:19

Wait, wait, wait, they're saying Ocean got the welfare sub. They're calling it ABT.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:28

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:31

These guys are so sick.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:36

Um so he he reigned from 1878 uh until 1903. So you know, um both quad uh apology mineris would have been the same year he became pope. Attorney Patras is the year after. Um yeah, I think we just do Attorney Patras and then maybe go from there. Uh Arcanum Divinier Suppotentie is on Christian marriage, so we could do that one next. Otherwise, we could go, we could skip to human uh humanum genus on Freemasonry, then do a more time.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:23

I'm looking forward to the one on Christian marriage.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:25

Okay, we'll do that one then after attorney pattress.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:28

All right, we'll do attorney pattress next. You guys got homework, read up, read it.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:32

Um, and we'll uh so I'll send you the history summary probably on Friday at the latest. Okay, and I'll I'll read it over the weekend, and then we'll read the actual the actual one over the weekend and then do it on Tuesday.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:49

All right, Rob, I'm glad you you pulled your bootstraps up tonight and you got on screen because now you got the rest of the weekend off. You got a five-day weekend free from Anthony.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:57

We gotta do Guns and Rosaries tomorrow. Oh, I don't know how you do not tomorrow on Friday.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:03

I don't know how you do another show. I really don't. God bless you and Adrian, and I don't know how you do it. Uh you could basically just Google um the Vatican has all of them, like the Vatican website. That's just that's where where Ant and I read them from. Yeah, we just we just pull them up off the Vatican website. So um we love you guys. Thank you all for uh hanging with us. And uh we'll see you next time. Take us out, Robin.