The Glorification of Man Over God w/ Michael Hichborn

A papal document tries to warn the world about artificial intelligence, but what happens when the warning itself is so ambiguous that it feels like it cannot guide anyone’s conscience? We dig into Pope Leo’s new AI text and ask the questions the average Catholic is already asking: What does “remain profoundly human” actually mean, what is “true progress,” and why does so much Church messaging sound allergic to naming sin, conversion, and the spiritual stakes of modern tech?

From there, we zoom out to the bigger picture driving the anxiety: a Church leadership culture that often aims for unity without defining unity in Christ, and “solutions” that feel more humanist than Catholic. We talk about how social media dehumanizes people through anonymity, why AI can become an oracle if we treat it like one, and how older Catholic writing often delivered clearer moral reasoning in fewer words. We also explore why many Catholics see the current moment as a hostile takeover in slow motion, not a clean break from the faith, but a steady dilution that confuses the faithful while keeping the sacraments intact.

Then the conversation gets blunt about ideology and influence: communism and apostasy in light of Pope Pius XII’s 1949 decree, the Vatican’s World Meeting of Popular Movements, and the danger of pairing local churches with activist networks that push revolution, abortion politics, and syncretistic spirituality. Along the way we touch prophecy, Jerusalem, Fatima timelines, and why end times talk keeps resurfacing when institutions look unsteady.

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Transcript

Cold Open On A Mythic Past

SPEAKER_02 0:11

So, you want to know what life was like after the flood? Well, can you imagine giant dragonflies? They were huge. Everything was huge back then. And you know dinosaurs are really just dragons, right? Unicorns were around back then too, although to be fair, they didn't really look like the storybooks. The problem with unicorns was their hearing was just too good. I was never a fan of unicorns. I do miss the giant food, though. I just wish we would have had actual toilet paper back then.

SPEAKER_00 1:03

See what we you see what we do for you, Michael.

unknown 1:07

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 1:09

The seashell.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

You tell all your friends I'm gonna be on avoiding Babylon tonight. Oh, maybe you shouldn't have told them.

New Studio Problems And Slow Chat

SPEAKER_00 1:20

Um we had um hold on. I'm trying like um everything's new in this stupid studio, and I'm trying to like figure the lighting out, and um, I don't know what I'm doing here. All right, yeah, it's a little dark in my studio. I'm gonna have to have Rob help me with the lighting. Also, the locals seems to have not, I don't know what's going on with locals. Uh yeah, I don't know, locals something's happening, but we hit a hundred thousand subscribers last night. That's fantastic, that's awesome. It's like it kind of feels weird doing the show without Rob. Um, because it was something we were both it's one of those things where like um you you wanna you want to hit the number, but nothing changes when you hit the number first off, and like our views are the same, so I don't understand where all these subs are coming from. I like we do have clips that took off that you know, those will have 30,000 views, things like that. So I'm assuming that's where the subscribers are coming from, but they don't watch like the live the main stream.

SPEAKER_02 2:23

Um, so yeah, it's kind of interesting, and then um I'm a subscriber, I got the little half an hour alert on my phone said uh hey, you're on in 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

Yeah, I think it's like it'll feed it to your like 20 of your audience, and if people don't click on it, but like everything's tonight, everything seems slow, like even the even the chat seems low. I don't know, maybe it's because uh I don't know. We'll see how it goes. But 100,000 subscribers, nothing's changed for us at all except for the number. And we're gonna me and Rob are now going to uh fight over the play button. Oh gets the play button.

SPEAKER_02 2:59

Well, you know, so Rob, he can have the first one, you get the second one.

SPEAKER_00 3:03

Well, oh man, I think I I think everything's I think he said everything. No, I don't know. It's my channel, so I probably set it up. It might it might come to me first, and then I can hold it hostage against them. There you go.

Hitting 100,000 Subscribers With No Change

SPEAKER_02 3:15

Or you can have a fantasy football thing where uh the winner takes the button.

SPEAKER_00 3:19

I think you can just pay extra for a second button, but um we uh tonight's tonight's knickknack success story is me. Uh, I took knickknacks and transformed my studio space. So maybe I'll uh maybe at another time I'll give you

Sponsor Reads And Studio Rebuild Story

SPEAKER_00 3:35

guys a little tour of the whole space. But my son had the idea to switch rooms. So my basement, when you come down the stairs, it's basically um like a big den area where like we had like a family room, and then my son had his bedroom off to the right, and then my wife, you know, the laundry room's down there too. My son said, Why don't you take my bedroom and I'll move into the main area? So he has a giant bedroom now with a a den area. I mean, it was it was good for him, but it made sense for me also because the kids kept touching my things and I would lose my mind whenever they would touch my stuff. So tonight's Knickknack success story is me. I took a few knick knacks and I ripped my basement apart. I built a wall and I built a new studio. Go to knick knack.com and use code AB25. Oh man, I'm gonna have to do this right. Hang on. Let's see. Uh okay, so wait, here we go. Ready? Okay, so use uh go to knick knack.com, use code AB25% off your first purchase for 25% off, and after that, use code AB10 for 10% off subsequent purchases. We love knick-knacks, knickknacks. Uh every week we try to feature uh an amazing knick-knack story. And uh also Black Monk Rosary featured right on my mantle over here. Oh, everything's opposite. My heavy duty black monk rosary. They are awesome gifts for communion, confirmation, wedding gifts. Um, and they work well as a self-defense tool because they weigh about 15 pounds each. So you can club somebody over the head. Go to uh Black Monk Rosary, uh, use code Avoiding Babylon for 10%

Michael’s Investigations And The Mood Shift

SPEAKER_00 5:10

off. Um, Michael, how have you been, man?

SPEAKER_02 5:13

Oh, I'm doing all right. Just uh as you know, we we've been busy plugging away with new reports, and this one is a doozy. We have a pretty a pretty uh horrific follow-up to it, which I can tell you about a little bit. Um it's uh the more we look at what's going on in the church, the the worse things seem.

SPEAKER_00 5:36

Man, you've been doing this for how long?

SPEAKER_02 5:39

Oh let's see, I think I started investigating CCHD in 2009. So what's that almost 20 years?

SPEAKER_00 5:48

Oh my goodness, I don't know how you do it. I really don't because I remember seeing like the first time I probably saw you maybe the first time probably would have been on like church militant or something. Like you you were making the rounds very early on, and it was uh it was you that got me to stop giving to that second collection that comes around because that second collection is always for you know the the the uh health and human services stuff or relief services, things like that. And the stuff you've uncover with Catholic relief services is just horrendous. Um, but uh we we really haven't spoken much since uh since since all the all the commotion about Leo coming in, and we see how everybody's kind of like settling in on what they think Leo is. Everybody's uh you know, I it's hard to say what I think of him, but I'm you know, I I think he's exactly what I expected. I expected him to just continue on with the Francis program with uh with with less um fan fan, like less bold headlines coming out of the Vatican every day and things like that. How have you uh received the first year of Leo?

SPEAKER_02 7:00

Um he's I I keep hoping for the best and expecting the worst, and so far I haven't been disappointed.

SPEAKER_00 7:12

Um it looks like Rocky at the end of a fight. I don't know what to tell you guys. I just got home from work. It is what it is. Um, yeah, I'm gonna have to work. I hope Anna isn't reading the comments. I am. This is I don't know what to tell you guys, but you look, this is what you came for. Um, yeah, same, same here. Like you hope for the best and you expect the worst. Uh, I saw your I saw your report on Life Site the other day, you digging into uh all these different groups that

Pope Leo’s AI Text Under Fire

SPEAKER_00 7:45

are kind of playing footsie over at the Vatican and the things that seems to be. And you also did you read the new uh document on AI?

SPEAKER_02 7:52

I have been struggling my way through it. Uh I consider myself at least a relatively intelligent man, and it's imminently frustrating for me to read a single sentence or two consecutive sentences or even three sentences in a row and not understanding a single lick of what was just said because the use of ambiguous, vague, and broad sweeping general words throughout this entire document is just it it's absolutely infuriating, and um it's it's it reads like a bunch of word salad, uh trying to say something that may be profound, but it never quite lands, and it's uh I think that some of the analysis of what's going on with AI is spot on, you know. I I don't have any concern with that, but the proposed solutions to it are problematic at best.

SPEAKER_00 8:57

Yeah, we've been going through old documents of papal encyclicals for the past couple of months, like for the past month or so, and to compare what Pope's said before to what the what even I mean, because people used to think John Paul II was hard to understand. People thought John Paul II had these great encyclicals, but even his stuff was kind of terrible, yeah. Compare compared to the pre-conciliar documents, like those pre-conciliar documents, yeah. Yeah, it's like every single one.

SPEAKER_02 9:28

I'm sorry, guys, I'm just playing with the stupid either blinding me or like um it's like the that's the sacrifice of of of uh fandom uh or figuring things out while I'm on air. Um sacrifice of fame is is learning how to live with blindness. I have uh six lights on me, and they're all at full uh at full uh capacity, which is why you have a you have a face worth lighting up. I don't that's right.

SPEAKER_00 9:56

Call me make me make um the uh the the the documents that came out that we've been going through, Rob and I can get through them in a 20-minute sitting. Like you go through and they're a couple of pages long and you can get through them, and they have such depth to them, and they're warning us about this impending danger that's heading towards heading towards society and culture. And then every single thing that they warned us about before the council is the very thing that they're holding up as the good after the council. It's it's bizarre.

SPEAKER_02 10:33

Yep. No, and and that's that's really kind of the essence of the problem with this encyclical is that it's it's three times longer than rarum nivarum and about 10 times less intelligible, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

Yeah, I don't because I haven't I've been working on this studio all weekend, and uh I haven't had a chance to even look at it. So all I've seen is stuff that people are like quoting and putting quotes up, and it it just seems like word salad. It seems you know, there uh the couple of things I saw had to do with um uh the the Catholic Church not having a monopoly on truth. Like, this is such an insane thing for the church, like the church is supposed to be the teacher of all humanity, and now the church is sitting here saying, Hey, we don't have a monopoly on the truth, and it's just I it's as if the church has lost her identity and understanding of what what her role is.

SPEAKER_02 11:31

So, here I'll I'll give you an example. This is a quote from the introduction of the encyclical. It says, In the era of artificial intelligence, when human dignity is threatened by new forms of dehumanization, ours is the pressing duty to remain profoundly human. Well, what does profoundly human mean? Yeah and what does it mean to remain profoundly human, suggesting that we somehow lost our humanity? What does that mean? He goes on, he says, we must lovingly safeguard the grandeur of humanity bestowed upon us and revealed in its fullness in Christ, the splendor of which no machine can ever replace. Well, what's the modifier here that we're talking about? He's talking about safeguarding the grandeur of humanity bestowed upon us and revealed in its fullness in Christ. So the fullness in Christ, the humanity in the fullness of Christ is not entirely what we're supposed to be aspiring to. What we're supposed to be doing is uniting ourselves to Christ, body, blood, soul, and divinity. We're supposed to be in communion with him, and then through communion with him, we can then be in communion with others. That's the nature of the cross. Long bar in the middle, short bar at the cross part. So it's it's problematic there. Then he says, the splendor of which no machine can ever replace. The splendor of what? Is he talking about the splendor of the grandeur of humanity or the splendor of the grandeur of Christ? So then the the modifier there is misplaced. It's hard to understand what he's saying. Then he says, true true progress always stems from a heart open to others and intelligence, willing to listen, and a will that seeks what unites rather than what separates. Well, okay, what does that mean?

SPEAKER_00 13:27

It doesn't mean anything.

SPEAKER_02 13:29

Yeah. What is a will that seeks to unite rather than separate? Because the thing is, unity, true unity in a Christian sense, means unity in Christ. Has to. But to say then we we seek what unites rather than what separates, if he's not talking about unity in Christ, if if he's talking about something anything else, then the nature of separation has to be defined because divisions and separations are not only natural, they're often good. Our Lord said that the wheat had to be separated from the chaff, that the tares had to be separated from the wheat, that the goats are to be separated from the sheep. So the good in many respects has to be separated from the wicked. So if we're talking about unity in Christ, that's a good thing. But he doesn't say that. He doesn't explain that. He just says we want something that unites rather than divides. Well, unites in what? In what respect? So then he goes on and he talks about all this diversity stuff. Well, if you're talking about diversity, what kind of diversity? There's a diversity of colors, there's a diversity of strengths, there's a diversity of skills, there's a diversity of intelligences. What are you talking about? Are you talking about a diversity in in attributes, or are you talking about a diversity in when it comes to ideologies and religions? Because if you're talking about uniting religious diversity, now you can't be talking about uniting people in Christ because you can't have religious diversity in the unit unicity of Christ. It's not possible. So this is why the pro the whole document is like this. I go through and I line by line I'm saying, well, what does this mean? What does this mean? And it only can make sense if we're talking about it in unity with Christ, but he never says it. And that's the problem.

SPEAKER_00 15:20

I was because this is kind of the central issue with the church these days is that it's trying to build this brotherhood of man nonsense. Like that's that's actually what they're going for. They want to uh be the great uniter uh of humanity without actually teaching any truth. Like the whole the whole the whole the whole under the church is man, it's hard to say the church because it's not you know the spotless part of Christ, but it's like because we we know like I know you fall on the same side of this, like the the whole set of a contest debate as I do, right? It's like like my my my position is basically that whatever the the popes were warning about before the council seems to be the thing that has taken root in the church.

SPEAKER_02 16:10

Well, why did why did our lady consistently ask for prayers for the pope? Yeah, if we were going to go through a period without one, why would she ask for prayers for for the Pope?

SPEAKER_00 16:20

Yeah, yeah, and it it's so everything they were warning us about before the council then winds up coming to fruition, and it's the very thing inside the church promoting those things that were before anathema, right? But it like it doesn't it doesn't um invalidate the sacraments, it doesn't invad it just means that there's this these wicked men who have attained positions of power, it's a hostile takeover of the Catholic Church that's happened over the course of the past however many decades. So we're sitting here watching this. So, like, in some sense, I am not surprised at all at what's coming out, and in other sense, it's it's still sad to watch because you want the church to be the church, and we're all just kind of sitting here with like sitting in the ruins. Like the the other problem is these men are so out of touch with what's actually going on with artificial intelligence and what's actually going on in social media. Uh, there was probably a good opportunity for talking about the interactions people are having online there because there is a degree to which you lose your humanity when, especially if you're you're speaking anonymously and you forget of your talking to someone online that you don't know, you can forget that you're speaking to a human being on the other line, and it's very easy to say horrific things to that person. And it's there's something that does need to be taught to the younger generation, or all of us, all of us that are in this battle on social media, you're you're having conversations with people, you don't know what they look like, you don't know their names, you don't know anything, and you're fighting with them. Like it's like that meme where it's like, you know, mom, um, there's someone wrong on the internet, you know, or honey, I can't get off the there's somebody wrong on the internet. Where you're seeing people lose their minds getting all riled up over these arguments online with people that they don't even know who they are. So there is something that does need to be taught. The other angle is there's not a mention at all about pornography, really, or like sin. And the main issue that we're dealing with with AI is that is used once. Yeah, like the main thing we should be worried about with AI is that we're fallen, right? And and people will fall into this virtual world and these and this artificial. I mean, I I didn't read through it enough for me to actually give it a good critique, but just the it's just kind of exactly what I expected it to be.

SPEAKER_02 18:52

It is, it is, and like I said, I'm struggling through it. I consider myself a fairly intelligent person, and I'm really having a hard time understanding what he's talking about. But you know, going back to something that you said with regard to the whole Sede thing and why are we praying for the Pope as our lady requested, that kind of stuff. I want to make sure that people understand exactly what context we need to understand what's going on

Alta Vendita And Controlling The Papacy

SPEAKER_02 19:15

in. There was a document that was published back in the early 1800s called the Alta Vendita. It was a Masonic document designed, it's a blueprint for the takeover of the Catholic Church. And as you said, you don't have to control the papacy, you just have to control the people around him. And here's what the Alta Vendita says. We do not intend to win the popes to our cause or to make them neophytes of our principles, propagators, or ideas. That would be a ridiculous dream. And if events turn out in some way, if cardinals or prelates, for example, of their own free will or by surprise, should enter into a part of our secrets, this is not at all an incentive for desiring their elevation to the Sea of Peter. Okay, that's a really important thing to say. It is not at all an incentive or desire for their elevation, meaning the elevation of clerical Freemasons to the Sea of Peter. That elevation would ruin us. Ambition alone would have led them to apostasy. The requirements of power would force them to sacrifice us. What we must ask for and what we should ask for and wait for, as the Jews wait for the Messiah, is a pope according to our needs. With that, we shall march more securely towards the assault on the church than with the prophets of our brethren in France and even the gold of England. Do you want to know the reason for this? It is that with this, in order to shatter the high rock on which God has built his church, we will no longer need Hannibalian vinegar or need gunpowder or even our arms. We will have the little finger of the successor of Peter engaged in the ploy. And this little finger is as good for all this crusade as all the Urban II's and the St. Bernard's in Christendom. That's really important for people to understand where we are with the whole Sedeve Contest thing. Because if even the Freemasons are saying we want to make sure that we have a Pope according to our making, somebody with our ideologies and somebody who's been formed in our seminaries and with with all of the stuff that we've put together, that's the kind of pope that we want. But we don't want him to be one of us because apostasy would negate what he's doing. So we just need to control his little finger.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

We need him to allow us to do what we're doing, we need him to give uh promote promote the same ideals without actually being a member, right? And that's essentially what we've got. That's it. Um, yeah. Um, I it what's interesting. Thing is, I I've read Cardinal Manning's um uh uh what was it? What's it called? Uh the current uh the present crisis of the holy see, which is something that Ceneva Cantas hold up as like uh you know, they love Cardinal Manning for some reason, but when when you read it, Manning is adamant that the Antichrist will come immediately after the Pope is taken out. So it's like this idea of there being a 60 or 70 year period without a papacy, it would have given rise to the Antichrist immediately, and that doesn't make any sense at all. So there is the Antichrist, right? So like you remove the because the the he he saw the papacy as the catacomb, like as the restrainer of evil, right? And as soon as that restrainer is taken out, that's when you'll get that'll give rise to the antichrist, and that'll put us into um into that that

Jerusalem Prophecy And End Times Timing

SPEAKER_00 22:55

moment. Um, you had sent me, I want to bring this up. Um, you had sent me a couple of months back, it was like two months ago. Um, you had sent me some of Cornelius Alapidae's um commentaries, commentaries, and you had said, Oh man, I don't know. I think we might be a little bit closer to the end than we thought. And I wanted to get you on to talk about that really bad when that happened, and we just couldn't line it up where you had so much going on, and I had stuff going on, but um, I you basically sent me this. Um, and Jerusalem shall be trodden down by the gentiles to the time of the nations be fulfilled until the end of the world and all the nations are peoples. For when the number of the gentiles according to God's decree has been completed, all the people and number of the gentiles shall be finished together with the world. So uh Euthymius, or as Bede puts it, until the plenitude of Gentiles shall enter into the church of Christ. For when this shall be accomplished, then all Israel shall be saved, as the apostle says in Romans 11, which shall be at the end of the world, for Christ has regard to the desolation of Jerusalem. This was foretold by Daniel 927, where it is said, and the desolation shall continue even to the consummation and to the end, meaning that Jerusalem, after being raised to the ground and laid desolate by Titus, shall be no longer the capital city of the Jews, but shall belong to the Gentiles, and after that to the Christians, and after that to the Saracens and to the Turks, as it is at present. And this state of things shall continue until the end of the world, when Antichrist, the king and messiah of the Jews, shall fix the seat of his empire at Jerusalem, as is plain from the apocalypse. And then shall uh Elias and Enoch resist Antichrist and convert many of the Jews to Christ. After Antichrist is slain, all the Jews shall be brought to Christ by the disciples of Enoch and Elias, and shall publicly worship Christ in Jerusalem, as may be easily gathered from Apocalypse 20. Eusebius adds that Adrian, who succeeded Vespian as emperor of Rome after Dom Domitian, Nerva, and Trajan made a severe edict that all Jews whatsoever should depart out of Judea, so that it should not be lawful for any of them to see Judea, even from a distance. He adds, This was done so that after the ruin of the Jewish nation and the arrival of inhabitants from a foreign nation, the citizens being changed, the name of Jerusalem itself was changed to Elia from the uh cognomen of Emperor uh Elias, and thus the city, now converted to Roman law, changed its worship and name as well. Behold, this is what Christ foretold Jerusalem shall be trodden down by the Gentiles. Now, you had done a show uh basically discussing this topic a bit, and you hate this topic, you said, right? Like you don't really like discussing this topic, but I've always tried to I've always tried to discuss it from a theological point of view and not do it um like the conspiracy angle of who controls the banks, and but I mean there is this element where there's there's this conflict between Jews and Christians throughout all of history after Rome destroys the temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD. The Jews are dispersed amongst the nations, and if you're like when you read that book by Cardinal Manning, he has like a whole a whole at least a chapter dedicated to the antichrist, where he talks about the antichrist being linked very closely to the Jews returning to Jerusalem and being able to like have it, God allowing them to gather back into this land, and that's how the Antichrist will appear, because he'll be able to appear as their Messiah. Yeah. So what so what made you text me that that day? Because then you get into the commentary by Cornelius. He says, from these words of Christ, Saint Cyril of Jerusalem rightfully right rightly refuted the Jews who, at the instigation of Julian the apostate, set about rebuilding the temple. He predicted that all their labor would be in vain because Christ had declared, citing Daniel, that the desolation of Jerusalem and of the temple would continue unto the end of the world, and he was a true seer. For fire coming down from heaven consumed all the tools of the workmen, and a great earthquake tore up the foundation stones and dispersed them and destroyed the adjacent buildings. On the following night, impressions of the sign of the cross shining like rays of the sun appeared impressed upon the garments of the Jews, which by no efforts were they able to uh cut off. Yeah, yeah. So it's like uh because we love that story, right? Where Julian the Apostate attempts to rebuild the temple, and every time he does, even lightning strikes or an earthquake happens and the foundation just crumbles, right?

SPEAKER_02 27:50

And it's like the temple's not gonna be rebuilt.

SPEAKER_00 27:54

Well, that's what I was going to ask you. Do you think there is because it talks about the antichrist seating himself in the temple of God, making himself God? So is that the temple in Jerusalem or is that the new temple?

SPEAKER_02 28:09

They may build a temple, but they will not rebuild the temple, if that makes sense. It could come to pass that the antichrist, whoever he is, would go to Jerusalem and build something that he would call the temple, but it will not be the temple, and it will not be on the same site.

SPEAKER_00 28:32

You don't think it'll be on the temple mount?

SPEAKER_02 28:34

Nope.

unknown 28:35

Nope.

SPEAKER_00 28:36

I don't think so. It'll be in Washington, DC. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 28:39

But you know, here's what here's what gets me. Okay, this is what got my attention was that uh let me see if I can get the precise location here.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

Well, Joe Joan's asking trodden trodden by gentiles, what does that mean? So trodden by gentiles means so after after the temple is destroyed in 70 AD, the Gentiles that the Rome destroys the temple, and and Jerusalem is inhabited by Gentiles, which are then eventually become Christians. So the Christian, like uh Jerusalem was a Christian uh uh land for a period of time, and then the Saracens come, which is the Muslims, and that's what you know the Crusades are fought because the the Pope calls to reclaim the Holy Land.

SPEAKER_02 29:21

Yep. So first it was downtrodden, it was trod upon by the Romans, so they took over the area, they renamed it, they rebuilt the city and and kept it in the way that they wanted. Then it became Christian, and it had a Christian patriarch, it had uh it had a Christian king, um, and that lasted until it was conquered by the Muslims, and then of course, after the uh Muslims, it was the Turks and the Muslims. So, anyway, the point is that we have we have a statement, it's actually a prophecy, that Jerusalem would be trod upon until the time of the Antichrist.

Israel’s Return And Catholic Confusion

SPEAKER_02 30:00

And then 1948, all of a sudden, you have America and England deciding to carve out a little piece of of uh Palestine and saying, Ah, we're gonna give this to Jews. We we think that uh the persecution of the Jews in Germany was sufficient to us or to establish a new home for them. Now, of course, this is all part and parcel to the Zionist movement that started in the late 1800s. Um, in fact, uh the father of the Zionist movement, I can't remember his name off the top of my head, but he met with Pope Pius X and he said, Hey, we would like to uh establish this this uh Zionist movement, and we want your help and we want your assistance. Pius X said, No, we're we're not gonna have anything to do with that. I can't stop you from moving in, but no, we're not gonna be there to baptize you.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

Yeah, we'll be there with our churches and be ready to baptize you if you guys move in there.

SPEAKER_02 30:54

So then in 1948, everything changes, and the next thing you know, everybody's saying Catholics and Christians all have a moral duty to make sure that the Zionist nation of Israel uh is protected and defended, and we have we have to protect and defend these people. And it's like, well, wait a minute. Is this part of our duty as Christians? Is this part of our duty as uh members participating in salvation history? Is prophecy being fulfilled right here and right now? Because if Jerusalem being trodden upon by the Gentiles until the fulfillment of the end of the end of days, well, it seems to me that with the Jews now taking control of Palestine and being in control of Israel and looking to expand, I don't see how we can look at it in any other way.

SPEAKER_00 31:48

But it's not just that, though, right? Like, look at what we're talking about tonight. We're talking about the church completely abandoning uh right, we're talking about essentially apostasy from the from the top of uh echelons of the church, right? The hierarchy completely losing her mission, the uh as if the um the Great Commission is over, right? So I've I people that watch the show all the time, you guys are gonna hear me talk about uh a lot of the same things tonight because I've never had this conversation with Michael. But to me, when I see the the the hierarchy doing like the Assisi meetings and bringing all of these different religions into Assisi, right? And instead of trying to baptize these pagans, we're we're bringing them up as if they're on equal footing and all and you know, and no longer looking at the Catholic Church as the light of the world, the ark of salvation, but just one amongst many. What the church is telling us without meaning to like these men don't, they're not doing it consciously, but it's kind of God's way of letting us know that the time of the Gentiles has been fulfilled, right? So you said 1947 is when Israel is established, right? And oh 48 technically, but it's still like the the the movement starts, you know, the movement start gathering in as 1947. That year is nuts. It's the the dropping of the atomic bomb, it's the same year that Archbishop Fulton Sheen gives his Ape of the Church prophecy.

SPEAKER_02 33:24

Huh.

SPEAKER_00 33:25

Isn't that as that Archbishop Fulton Sheen gives his his ape of the church?

SPEAKER_02 33:29

Oh, back when he was Father's Father Sheen.

SPEAKER_00 33:31

Yeah, he was yeah, he was, but he wasn't even uh he wasn't even a bishop then. No, back in 47, no, right? So that's that's man, you think about even all the different things that happen. That's when you have the first sightings at Roswell, right? Like this is what we had Daniel O'Connor on recently talking about this stuff, and you have this new nation forming Israel, and it's gathering the people that claim to be, you know, the people who claim to be the Jews, gathering back into this land, and you have all of these different things coming together, and because I people think that this is a a a doom pill when I talk about this, but I'm the the reason I'm really I can't see any other way is because of the situation in the church. I can't I can't see how the the situation in the church and the situation that's happening with Israel coinciding with one another doesn't mean we are on the cusp of some something major. Plus, then then you add in the maring apparitions, you talk about our lady, the things that you know she warned us about in Fatima, and then you have this dry period since basically like the the last major apparition is what Akita?

SPEAKER_02 34:49

Yeah, the last approved major apparition major apparition is Akita, right?

SPEAKER_00 34:54

Where our lady talks about bishop against bishop, fire falling from the sky. We have the Fatima prophecy still talks about a city in ruins, the Pope walking amongst dead bodies that hasn't been fulfilled yet.

SPEAKER_02 35:07

You know what else happened in 47 was uh the apparition of Our Lady of Um uh Our Lady of Revelation to Bruno Cornachiola.

SPEAKER_00 35:16

Was that 47?

SPEAKER_02 35:18

That was 47.

SPEAKER_00 35:19

There's a 14-part series on census fidelium about our lady of revelation. If you've never watched that series, I'm telling you, after this show, go and start it. It's 14 hours of one of it's the most in like enthralling series I've ever listened to. Once you start it, you will not stop listening to it.

SPEAKER_02 35:41

Yep, yep. No, it's uh it it's intense, but you start to peep put the pieces together and things start making sense. And I'll tell you, you know, going back to the word apostasy, right? I've I've heard a lot of different uh concerns with regard to whether we're in the age of apostasy, whether we're in the great apostasy, or a prelude to it, or what does that mean? Because the definition that is usually put forward for apostasy is a complete and total repudiation of the faith. In other words, they want to say that in order for one to be an apostate, he has to fully and publicly say, I'm no longer every element of the Catholic faith fully, completely, and it's

Pius XII On Communism As Apostasy

SPEAKER_02 36:25

done. Okay, that they say is what apostasy is. But here's what's interesting in 1949, Pope Pius XII issued a decree, and by a decree, it started off as a dubium. So there was a dubia that was submitted to Rome to the Holy Office before it was called the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Holy Office, meaning the Holy Office of the Inquisition. And the question there were four questions that were put forward. The first question is whether it's lawful to enlist or show favor to the Communist Party. The second is whether it is lawful to publish, read, or disseminate books, newspapers, periodicals, or leaflets in support of communist doctrine, and in practice or write in any of the articles. Three, whether Catholics who knowingly and freely place actions as specified in numbers one and two may be admitted to the sacraments. In other words, is it lawful for somebody who shows favor of the communist party, enlists in the communist party, or disseminates and writes in their books and periodicals, can they receive the sacraments? That's the question. And then the fourth question is whether Catholics who profess, and particularly those who defend and spread the materialistic and anti-Christian doctrine of the communists, ipso facto, as apostates from the Catholic faith, incur excommunication reserved specifically to the Holy See. And to each of these questions, the first one can is it lawful to show, enlist or show favor to the Communist Party? The answer is no. And it says, for communism is materialism and anti-Christian. Besides, communist leaders, although they sometimes verbally assert that they are not opposed to religion, show themselves not nevertheless, both by doctrine and by action, to be in reality enemies of God, of the true religion, and of the church of Christ. Number two, whether it's lawful to publish and disseminate and read and publish in these periodicals and newspapers. The answer is in the negative, in accordance with common principles governing refusal of sacraments. Oh no, it says in the negative, in so much it is prohibited by law itself. And it says see Canon 1399. And then it affirms that you must deny the sacraments to those who do one and two. And then the fourth one, the question of whether those Catholics who profess, and particularly those who defend and spread the materialistic anti-Christian doctrine of the communists, are they ipso facto as apostates uh from the Catholic faith excommunicated? And the answer is in the affirmative. So here you have, and and what happened is then Pope Pius XII took that dubia and he published it in the in the acta, which is the um uh the the formal publication of decrees coming from the the papacy. So what that means is that anybody, any Catholic who aligns themselves with the communists, supports the communists, rights in favor of communist movements, etc. etc. etc. What that means is that those are apostates. They are automatically excommunicated apostates. And how many Catholics now do we know of, and that we can look around at and say, you know what? They they are in line with the communists, they're promoting communist doctrine, they're supporting communist periodicals, which means they're apostates.

SPEAKER_00 40:08

It goes along with this is why because what your report talking about the communists that the Vatican was essentially promoting, right? Like this goes to the catechism talking about the end times, right? This even this document that was released today, it's this pseudo-messianism that puts man above God, right? Like, like with an apparent solution to our problems by putting putting man above God, and that's essentially what we're dealing with. This whole this whole thing that we're talking about, because you do have the the the apostates we're talking about aren't going to say they're apostates, they're not going to repudiate the Catholic faith like that. You have guys like Joe Biden when he was president who supports abortion, clearly doesn't believe the Catholic faith, but goes to mass every Sunday, you know, for the for the show, right? And then you have the priests and bishops who are actually approving this and giving him communion. Like you're you're talking about should he these people be given communion? Do you remember the entire debate that happened under Benedict about people that support abortion receiving communion? And you had McCarrick burying that entire thing, McCarrick and Walton Gregory. Yeah, so like the it's it's we're just we're talking about a hostile takeover of the Catholic Church that has happened by these godless men, but I it it still doesn't because it still doesn't invalidate the sacraments, like the thing that sure, the thing that makes it so horrific is that these men are priests of the most high God, like if they were just apostates doing this stuff, it's like I mean, we we all know people like that, but the fact that they are validly ordained priests and that they are priests of God is what makes this stuff so horrific.

SPEAKER_02 42:04

Yeah, well, and and what what is particularly troubling, and this I want to I want to go into my report here just a little bit, because as as I point out that those who are professing communist ideologies, aligning themselves with communism, etc., are apostates.

Vatican Popular Movements And Marxist Groups

SPEAKER_02 42:21

The Vatican held what's called the the World Meeting of Popular Movements. It was started by Pope Francis back in 2014. It actually had its start while he was Bishop of Buenos Aires, but um it got formally started in the Vatican in 2014, so a year after he became Pope. Everybody remembers Evo Morales giving Pope Francis that hammer and sickle cross cross, yeah. Nobody knows why he was in Bolivia, he was there for the world meeting of popular movements, and Ivo Morales, the day after he gave him that crucifix, sat right next to Pope Francis for the world meeting of popular movements. And the organizations that were there are hardcore communist groups. We've got organizations like Movimento dos Trabajadores Cemetery, MST. It's a Brazilian organization. They do family read alouds of the Communist Manifesto while the internacional is playing in the background. They celebrate Karl Marx's birthday and the date of his death as if that was as if he was a saint. So they are actual communists, and they were they're one of the leading organizations at the World Meeting of Popular Movements. You've got organizations like C U uh C U C. Okay, it stands for uh let me see if I can get the Comité de Unidad Campesina. I I'm butchering the Spanish, by the way. But so this organization, they're not just they're not just communists, these are revolutionists. They're revolutionists that are tied directly to guerrilla warfare in Guatemala. Their own history of their own organization talks about how they were tied in with these uh Bolivia or these Guatemalan guerrillas. And they go on, they start talking about all of these individuals who were part of their movement, who died fighting in guerrilla warfare for their cause, and they start celebrating them. They said, Yet all of these live on in memory, for they bequeath their rebellious and revolutionary spirit from generation to generation, a spirit that will not rest until violent and nefarious forces are eradicated. Eradicated. They talk about overthrowing governments through revolution. They celebrate the um the French Revolution. They celebrate the 1917 Marxist Revolution Russia. They even said in one of their documents, this is a strict direct quote, our ultimate goal to build socialism in order to transform reality. They have these songs, these song books. And the song books are downright blasphemous, but they incite rebellion against the Catholic Church. There's this one song, it's called Jamie Obrero, and it asks, Christ, in whose service? Jamie Obrero asked, in the service of a few who took him prisoner, disguising him in luxury, knowing that he belongs to the people. They hold him incarcerated in places of concrete with floors of pure marble, ceilings of pure wood, temples that bear no resemblance to the houses of my town, houses of tin and broken and cardboard and broken roofs, floors of dirt. Christ in whose service, Jamie Obrero asked, Christ must be liberated. He always sought to be one with the people, yet today he is exploited by those above, the rich, the church and governments, the lords of a church who stand far removed from the people, who know nothing of misery, who do not live out their gospel, who do not speak our language when they tell us silence. These things are God, these are things permits. These are things heaven ordains. Christ in whose service Christ must be liberated, for they have stolen him away, and Christ belongs to the people. A church that fails to denounce injustice and oppression is a church that has sold out. We want renewal, we want resurrection, we want revolution. This is the kind of organization that was invited to the Vatican to participate in this great big gathering. Pope Leo presided over this. Now, pure caveat here. I don't know if Pope Leo knew who these groups were. I don't know if he wrote the speech that he delivered to the World Meeting of Popular Movements, but objectively, the organizations that were there are fully evil, fully evil. These are communist groups. They go out, they are working for the decriminalization of abortion. They are pro promoting homosexuality and transgenderism, and they're pro they're pushing this idea of revolution. Pope Leo called them social poets. He said that they are champions of humanity, witnesses to justice. This is nonsense. Absolute nonsense. It's it's actually not true. These are these are horrible organizations, and these people want to overthrow and upend the Catholic Church and civilization. So the the ultimate problem with this whole thing, so this fifth world meeting of popular movements, what happened at the very end, or what happened just before it started, the um the guy, the coordinator for the world meeting of popular movements, um let me see there we go. His name is Don Matteo Ferrari, and he gave a press conference. And in the press conference, he said, for the first time, popular movements will come to meet the Holy Father, accompanied by the local churches. In his prepared remarks, he wrote, The delegations of representatives of popular movements from around the world who will come to the new meeting will be accompanied by delegations from local churches with official mandates. Thus, together, they will also present themselves at the audience of Pope Leo XIV. This is a sign of the Synodal Church that builds bridges and one of and the of the missionary church that reaches out to the peripheries. Let me translate that for you. What he's saying is that this is the first time that the World Meeting of Popular Movements is taking local church representatives, priests, bishops, lay people, and having them accompany these pro-Abortion, pro-LGBT communists so that they can get to know each other, so that they can start collaborating, so that they can come together and come up with this big idea. And afterwards, when they go back to their localities, they now have an established relationship and they can start working with them, with the church. And what's going to happen? You're going to have these communists, these pro-borsts, these pro-LGBT activists going into these churches, and they're going to recruit these people, they're going to start converting their minds to their ideologies, and they're going to use them to push and to promote their false ideologies, their wicked ideologies. This is the beginning of apostasy, and this is why it all ties in. Because now you have the seeds of Marxist revolution be planted in the church all over the world, and it's being done through this agency in the Vatican.

SPEAKER_00 49:59

Yes, I wonder how much of this is stuff that the like I wonder what the apparatus is that sets this stuff up, or or if the Pope actually has input on, oh yeah, I'd like to meet with these people, or if he just kind of gets given like a planner. It's like, okay, this is who you're meeting today, and this is the speech you're giving.

SPEAKER_02 50:22

That I can't say. I can't say. I don't know how much he knows ahead of time. I don't know what what he wrote, but what I can say is that there's no plausible deniability after this point.

SPEAKER_00 50:33

Yeah, yeah, that stuff's a mess.

SPEAKER_02 50:36

Yeah, I mean, the that's why we published this report because we needed to make sure that this thing gets locked down.

SPEAKER_00 50:44

Yeah, I see this as linked very much to the conversation of the end times of the Jews returning to Jerusalem. Like, I see these things as all intertwined, I see it as I mean, I don't know. I like we went through the Ticonius stuff, and it's like the the whole idea is that there's always been two bodies within the body of the Lord. There's always been the body of the like so he he decided describes it as a tripartite body where you have those outside the church and those in the church, and then those outside the church are still in the church. It's like a like they they claim to be Catholic, right? They're baptized Catholics. These are people like Cardinal Supic and uh you know Joe Biden, those are just the obvious ones, but there are people within the Catholic Church who are intentionally trying to subvert everything that the church is always taught, and then you have, I think, people who are just innocent and trying to just be loyal to the Pope. Like you're just like, I wonder how many innocents are just caught up in this stuff, where you know you're you're taught the Pope is the vicar of Christ, and you hear him talking about this stuff, and they're just trying to be good Catholics, and they kind of just get caught up in this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 52:09

So Saint Paul writes in his letter, his his letter to the Philippians, okay, he says, For many walk of whom I have told you often, and now tell you weeping, that they are enemies of the cross of Christ. And he gives four marks or three marks by which we can recognize these enemies of the cross of Christ, whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame. Oh, here's the fourth one, who mind earthly things. So when you look at these marks whose end is destruction, well, that would be the revolutionists, the proports, the uh pro-euthanasia, the pro-death side of things, whose God is their belly. These are the people who uh who are not just gluttons, we're not just talking about gluttons, but we're talking about people who quelch their amp appetites. They're the ones who dive into lust, who dive into uh the acquisition of power, who um who do whatever they can to fill and to to uh appeal to their earthly desires, yeah. Whose glory is in their shame. Well, what do you think the pride movement is?

SPEAKER_00 53:26

Yeah, it's exactly what it is, right?

SPEAKER_02 53:28

Who mind earthly things? Well, who minds earthly things more than the environmentalists and the Marxists and the people who say, Oh, we've got to be doing all of this to uh to take care of the the people and the poor and the the world, and we have to worry about the world, the world, the world. Well, this is it. It's it's a perfect ex explanation and description of communism right there.

SPEAKER_01 53:57

Man, oh man.

SPEAKER_00 54:01

What what what a time to be alive, what a time to live through, right? Yep. Well, Paul also talks about how they'll uh they'll hear doctrines that tickle their ears, but they'll be deceived, be deceived because they want to be, right? All the all this stuff that you're seeing, it's like God's law is written on on every human heart. You know some of these things are appalling, and they're still they're just because what I really see is happening is it's not direct heresy that you're hearing, it's a watered down version of Catholicism. It's it's just a totally watered down version of Catholicism. Everything from from the liturgy to to everything being presented to us, where it's they're not going to call something that's sinful good, right? So the the the basics of the faith are still there. We still know you need to live a sacramental life, you need to avoid mortal sin, you need to, you know, go to confession, go to mass every week, and stay away from mortal sin. Those are the like the the hot the key points. And the church is not sitting there and you know it it even still under Francis had to put out that that document saying the church can't bless sin. He tried to finagle his way around it in fiducia supplicons, but they still have to clarify no no no, we're not blessing the thing, we're we're we're we're we're blessing people, not the couple, like they still have to finagle their way. It's like the Holy Spirit is still blocking them from crossing that Rubicon, they can't bind us to anything that will lead us to hell, but it is such a watered down version of the faith at this point that what they're doing is they're they're arming the people around us with clubs to beat us with, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:46

That's what they're doing, yeah. Um, you know, I I think it's important to understand that when our lady said that the error that Russia would spread her errors, she wasn't just talking about communism. Okay, communism is a part of that, but the first error of Russia is breaking from the papacy. That was the first error of Russia, saying, you know what, I'm not in communion with Rome anymore. That's the first error. So what follows from that is then also the other errors, the the divorce, that's a big error of Russia. Um, the allowance of contraception is an error of Russia. And now we can add on to that communism. So when you when you take the errors, she used the word errors, plural, so not just the one error being Bolshevik revolution, it's all of those things, and it starts with the denial of the papacy. So people want to jump ship and they want to say, you know what? Well, uh, obviously the Catholic Church has kind of lost their minds, so I'm gonna go over to the Orthodox.

SPEAKER_01 56:52

Well, you're just playing right into it, you're playing right into the error of Russia.

SPEAKER_02 56:57

Oh, well, I guess they've lost it, so I'm gonna go do what the Russian Orthodox do and fall right in line with the errors of Russia. Yeah, you can't do that.

SPEAKER_00 57:05

So I do think there will come a point where God will like Christ will shepherd separate the sheep from the goats, and there will be a time where he calls us out of this thing, right? There's a there's a lot in the apocalypse that says, Come out of her, my my beloved, so you don't partake of her blasphemies. But it's going to be similar to the way it was in the first century, where you had the people of God, then the Sanhedrin crucifies Christ, and Christ calls his people out of that body of people, right? You have the you have the two bodies even in the first century, where you have within within the people of God, you have those who betray Christ and crucify him, and then you have those who follow our Lord. And then after the resurrection and the ascension, you have the the early churches, all Jews coming out of that body, and and Christ calls them out of it. And there's going to be something like that. Uh Darrell said, Uh, that's not true. Anthony Vatican II is mandatory in Novosordo parishes. Look what is happening to Nick. Look what is happening in Charlottesville. Yeah, but they're not binding people to sin. Look what's happening in Charlottesville. They took out the altar rails. Okay, kneel on the floor.

SPEAKER_02 58:13

They're not telling you, they're not telling you not Charlottesville, Charlottesville's in Virginia, Charlotte's in North Carolina.

SPEAKER_00 58:19

Oh, what's happening in Charlottesville? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what's happening in Charlotte.

SPEAKER_02 58:25

I think he means Charlotte, North Carolina.

SPEAKER_00 58:27

Yeah, even in Charlotte, North Carolina, it's like they took out the altar rails, but they're not saying you can't receive kneeling.

SPEAKER_02 58:34

He said you he said you can't receive at the altar rails, but he uh ironically, Rome actually stopped him from taking out the altar rails.

SPEAKER_00 58:41

I'm pulling them out, but even still, he's not saying you can't like kneel on the concrete, man. I don't know what to tell you guys. Like it's it's not gonna be easy to be Catholic going forward, it's going to get very difficult. Um, and it's going to be embarrassing, like really embarrassing, I think. I think it's going to be there's gonna because I think the things in Rome are going to get so ugly that you're gonna be like ashamed to say that you have anything to do with these men because it's it's it's going to get that bad, but you still know the Catholic faith and you know to be faithful, and we have Christ's promise telling us that the gates of hell will not prevail. He doesn't say that it won't look as though they prevailed, because I do think it's going to look an awful lot like they did, and that's why he gave us the the promise. But I don't I I don't I don't think Eastern Orthodoxy is the answer. I don't think

Wheat And Tares In The Church

SPEAKER_00 59:30

Cenevachantism is the answer at all.

SPEAKER_02 59:33

Let's let's look at the uh the parable of the tares and the wheat just for a moment. Our Lord said, The kingdom of heaven is likened to a man that sowed good seeds in a field, but while his men were asleep, his enemy came and oversowed cockle among the wheat and went his way. And when the blade was sprung up and had brought forth fruit, then appeared also the cockle. And the servants of the good men of the house coming to him said, Sir, didst thou not sow good seed in thy field? Whence then hath it cockle? And he said to them, An enemy hath done this. And the servant said to him, Wilt thou that we go and gather it up? And he said, No, lest perhaps gathering up the cockle, you root up the wheat also together with it. Suffer bro both to grow until the harvest, and in the time of the harvest, I will say to the reapers, gather up first the cockle and bind it into bundles to burn, but the wheat ye gather into my barn. This is a parable about the end of the world. And a lot of people kind of miss it. The the uh the servants are the angels, and the harvest is souls, and and the reason that the cockle and the wheat are growing together, and he says, Look, it's going to be you you might pull up some of the good wheat if you pull up the cockle, so don't do that. Why is that possible? It's not because they're clumped together in the same mass of dirt, it's because cockle looks just like wheat, except when it is fully sprouted. Okay, you can't know the difference until they have both fully bloomed. And what else is interesting is that cockle, you can make it into a grain, you can make it into a bread, but you know what happens if you do? You lose your mind. You actually you have um uh there was an incident that took place in France, I think it was in the 17 or 1800s, where some cockle got into a uh a bread maker's batch of wheat, and he ground it up and he made it into the bread, and all of a sudden people started hallucinating all over town. They were hallucinating. Wow. So if you look at it from the sense of apostasy and you look at it from the perspective of um of false worship, okay, so the cockle is a form of false worship because now you're using a form of grain that is not conducive to the faith, it makes you hallucinate, you see things that aren't real. That's what that means. And the good wheat we're talking about, it's a double entendre, so you it means the people, but it also means the effects. So here we have to be very careful about not using cockle and by avoiding the cockle, because it's important for us to be with the wheat, and that's why we're all mixed up together. We've got all kinds of heretics sitting all over the church, they're everywhere. We've got bishops who are heretics, we've got cardinals who are heretics, and as they are preaching their heresy, we have to suffer through it until the time of the harvest, and that's going to be very, very tough for us.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:50

Yeah, I think uh I think that is like a perfect explanation of what Ticonius was talking about, right? There's there's the the church did a really good job of holding this back for centuries, right? And you always had these wicked men in the hierarchy, always, always like this. It's just never been overwhelmed the way it is now. The way that the way the hierarchy is functioning now is just overwhelmed with with these men.

Building A New Church After Vatican II

SPEAKER_00 1:03:20

Um, I do want to ask you this. Okay. The debate about did Vatican II start a new religion. Because in some ways, yes, right? Like the way you worship is the way you pray and all that stuff. And there's something very important about the way we worship, but it didn't start a new religion because it's still Christ in the mass, but it changed the culture a lot. It changed it like it's not a new religion. You you still have the catechism, you still believe the same things, but functionally, it's a new like functionally, it's a new religion, right? Like it just it just is, it's it's dulled the Catholic mind so much that it's it's it's incapable of because Rob and I talked about this recently. Like I said, the novus ordo is not capable of transforming a culture because it's just too watered down. It's not, you know, like the the traditional liturgy is the thing that formed Western civilization. So unless you return to something that powerful, there's no way the novus ordo is going to transform a culture. It's it just doesn't it doesn't lead people to want to die for it the way that the traditional liturgy did. So yeah, I I still say that there is not a new religion from Vatican II. It's just functionally, it's essentially what you're seeing around you looks like a watered-down version of Catholicism.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:53

So I will answer your question with a statement that comes from our enemies at the Association of U.S. Catholic Priests. They are heretics. I've researched them, I've been reporting on them for about, gosh, almost 10 years now, probably 10 years at this point. Um this is something that we found in one of their brochures. This is a direct quote. Theologian Hermann Poppmeyer views our Vatican II era as, quote, an unfinished building site similar to the building of the new St. Peter's Basilica during the 1500s. Construction began with the laying of a foundation and erection of pillars and walls around the old basilica of Constantine. That prepared the way for roof and dome to complete the new outer structure. That took decades. Meanwhile, the old church stayed in place, conditioning the progress of the new. Once the external structure was complete, the old basilica was removed. Similarly, Pop Meyer sees Vatican II as designing a new church to develop around the existing one. Council's 16 documents laid a new foundation. The four constitutions on liturgy, church, revelation, and church in the modern world are the new pillars. Consolidating and finishing a renewed church inside and out continues. Like St. Peter's and the works of previous councils, it is a work of centuries. Much remains to be done. We are part of the renewal team. This divine project, building up the people of God for our era, is the challenge of our time. AUSCP's mission is to help us all respond to that challenge by working together. And of course, one of their favorite songs comes from the Call to Action Conference in 1976. And the song is Sing a New Church into being. It says, Let us bring the gifts that differ and in splendid, varied ways, sing a new church into being, one in faith and love and praise. So what you have here is their disposition. I'm not saying that it's accomplished. I'm not saying that they actually did what they set out to do. But this is what they plan on doing. They are trying to create a new church, they are trying to establish a new church by tearing down the old. Has it been accomplished?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:26

I don't think any of us can no, but no, but in a very real way, um we have to suffer the passion the way the our Lord did, right? Yep. And we will have to be given up to the religious authorities the way he was. Yep. So what you're seeing is the structure being built for that system and all of this stuff, everything since the council, like I see all of this as infiltration of the Sanhedrin into the Catholic faith, starting with no sure toc tag, right? Like like you're talking about the infiltration of the Sanhedrin into the Catholic Church, and they used World War II as the narrative to put guilt upon the upon Catholics and and and convince them that uh Hitler did the things he did because of Christian animosity towards towards Jews. So the church has adopted this uh attitude towards them. Uh you I I mean you I actually messaged I messaged uh Joe Heschmeyer because he he's he's uh he he presented a thing at Benedictine College. Uh I think Gideon was there, Gideon Lazar, and they had this whole situation at Benedictine College where these kids distributed a leaflet or a flyer, and that those kids wind up getting suspended. And I I want to have a conversation with guys in that world to try to understand like what the what do they think the proper Catholic position is? Because what I'm seeing is a lot of guys over there saying uh you know we need to we need to remember the Jewish roots of our faith and things like that, and that's that's fine, right? I mean, our our our our faith is rooted in I want to say this right, like our faith is rooted in the prophets and uh the fathers of of the f the old covenant, but but to somehow conflate that with modern Judaism and saying we owe modern Jews some something, where I do think that there's been an infiltration of modern Judaism into the faith through using those events, convincing us to change our liturgy, convincing us to take out our prayer for the perfidious Jews, all of this stuff. And there's going to be some kind of collusion between the Sanhedrin and the religious authorities of our time, and that is going to be, and there's going to be and and the world powers too, right? Like there's going to be somehow where it's going to be the antichrist is going to team up with some members of the hierarchy and the and the Jews following their false messiah, and they're going to persecute the church, and that's how it's going to lay out, just like it did in the first century when Christ came. I just don't know how that I don't know how that works out in the mechanics of it, but that's kind of how it has to happen.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:38

I mean, as as you pointed out, the the Jew, the modern Jews are not actually the Jews of the Old Testament. They can't be because the Old Testament was fulfilled and the old law was subsumed into the new, fulfilled. So the um the old laws, the old the old ways, Judaism is either a genetic hereditary trait, or it's uh it's a religious belief. If it's a religious belief, well, where's their where's their worship? Where's their practice? How can they possibly call themselves Jews except by rejection of Christ, which makes them an anti-Christ religion? Because they they're defined by definition of Christ.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:25

By definition, yeah. Yeah, and that's unlike any other religion. It's not like it's different than Islam for that very reason, right? Like therefore, yeah. And the the the thing is, even when Saint Paul says uh the the covenants have not been revoked. I forgot the exact wording where he's like the gifts and the calling and the promises have not been revoked. No, they weren't revoked, they were given to the Jews, which were the apostles, the disciples, and those early commerce that come in. And the Jews who reject Christ are under the curses of the covenant, right? Because that covenant doesn't just come with promises and gifts and stuff, it comes with curses if you break it. So if they're claiming they're under the old covenant, they're in there, they're under the curses of the old covenant. Now, I know that that's a contentious statement again uh amongst modern Catholics, but it's it's the truth of the matter. So I I would like to talk to some of those guys and see, you know, like what are we supposed to just ignore the story? Are we supposed to just ignore the the the prophecy in Genesis 3 3 15 about the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman? Where christ, when he goes to the to the to the temple and he's yelling at the Sanhedrin, he's saying, Your father is the devil, your father was a liar from the beginning. And what he's doing is he's saying, your father is a murderer from the beginning. He's talking about Cain. And Cain is the seed of the serpent, right? So we I I I had this whole conversation with um with uh oh man, what why am I blanking? Um Charles. No, uh Alal Hogan. What's his name? Come on, guys, help me out. Uh anyway, he he he took us through the whole seed of the serpent, seed of the seed of the woman text, and and he and he's showing us how soon shamoon. There you go. Okay, sorry, Sam. You know I love you. Um, so Cain is a descendant, is is the seed of the serpent, but Cain comes after the flood, so he's the spiritual son of the serpent, right? Jesus is telling the Sanhedrin, your father is a murderer from the beginning, and you're building up like you're he's basically telling them they're filling up the wrath that God has, and they have a generation to repent and follow him. They have one generation to repent, and if they don't, then God's wrath is going to come upon them. But those who reject him, they are still the seed of Cain, they're still the seed of the serpent, and the and the final battle is between Our Lady and the serpent. And when you go to the apocalypse, like the the final battle is going to be between the the the Christians and the seed of the serpent, and and it's going to be the seed of Cain, and that is the modern Jews who still reject Christ. That is the final battle, like that is the culmination of the story.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:25

Yeah, yeah. I can definitely see it. I can definitely see it. Um, and and you you take uh, I mean, a lot of the infiltration that's taken place. I mean, you you look at the the roots of Freemasonry, and Freemasonry has Jewish roots, uh, the roots of Marxism is Jewish. The uh the the roots of a lot of the heresies. I mean, you you look at the ties between um all of it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:54

Every ism, right? You have that quote from you have that quote from um uh what's his name? Uh man, uh with oh man, why can't I think of his name? Uh Dennis Prager. Dennis Prager, he's like there's a quote of Dennis Prager going, every ism was started by Jews, communism, Marxism, feminism, all of them. They're all like largely started by Jews, right? Right. So even this stuff that we're talking about tonight, like this communist infiltration into the church, all this stuff, these are all Jewish revolutionary movements that have crept their way into the church, they've crept their way into the Catholic mind. And then I see this whole other movement of Catholics who are trying to present this version of Catholicism that is super friendly to Judaism. And it's like, man, I have have you guys let your guard down? Because I know what they're doing, they're worried that there's going to be another Holocaust, right? And it's like, oh, we don't want to, we don't, but and you don't, you don't ever want to see any more pogroms happen, you don't want to see any violence towards anybody, you don't want to see anything like that. But the other danger is you're you're telling Catholics to lower their guard against the vipers of the Sanhedrin who were who are who are serpents. I mean, Christ tells us they are serpents, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:13

And and it's interesting too when you see the the uh allusion to serpents. What do you have? You have Moses going into going up to Pharaoh and he throws down his rod, and the rod turns into a serpent, and then you have the uh the the magicians of Pharaoh's court, they throw down their rods and they become serpents. And what happens? Moses' serpent eats the other serpents.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you think back to when Christ goes in, you vipers, you brood of vipers, you serpents. Like he's saying that he's he's telling them to remember their own book, right? Same thing when he's on the cross and he says, My God, my god, why why hast thou forsaken me? Like he's not saying that because God forsook him, he's saying that to recall them to the Psalms and to remind them of Isaiah, right? To remind them of Isaiah, to so that they see him on the cross and they're actually repeating the prayers that they should know so well. And he's calling them a brood of vipers, you serpents, to remind them of Genesis 3:15, because this enmity will be between the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman, and then we see that play out. I don't I don't know, man. I just because I don't want to get into the the vitriol of calling people Zog and Zionist and all this stuff. It's like I feel like I feel like calling like Zionism, I feel like is a distraction because even this stuff we see with uh some some like pretty high figures talking about Zionism, it's like it's not really just Zionism. It it's it's because you Zionism is kind of just like this catchphrase where it's like, okay, well, it's acceptable to say I'm not I'm not for Zionism, but it still kind of lets our guard down from seeing the bigger picture of it. Because look, they call it Zionism because there are very specific promises that are given to David about Zion, and those promises have a lot to do with the Messiah that will come. Like today, I have anointed you, you are my son, you are my beloved son, you will rule the nations with an iron rod. So they're calling it Zionism very much because they are waiting on their messiah to fulfill those promises on Zion, where we know those promises are fulfilled in Christ.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:28

It's it's just so I I need you to uh to fill me in on something. I see people saying things. Do we have an enmity counter?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:37

Okay, so whenever I talk about this topic, I bring up the enmity between Jews and Christians, right? But you're talking about the enmity between the seed of the serpent and seed of the seed of the woman. So every time I say enmity, they they do an enmity counter. It has been a while since I've done it. So I try to avoid the word now because they do that to me. So I'll say I'll see the conflict between Jews and Christians, and I'll I try to avoid the word because they're such ball breakers in my chat. But it's it's hard to discuss it without actually talking about it like that because there is this enmity between the the people of the old covenant and the people of the new covenant that plays out throughout history, they're dispersed amongst the nations, they're they're they're a people with no land for 2,000 years, and they finally have a land again, right? And they're they still want to rule the nations with an iron rod, like that. That that they still think those promises to them have not been fulfilled, the promises given to Abraham, the promises given to all to the prophets that they will to David specifically, though, that you will have a descendant and he will rule the nations with an iron rod.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:44

Yeah, yeah. Well, and again, I keep coming back to Fatima because I I look at what our lady said and the the the errors that would spread and the prophecies that she made. Um why was it that she gave 1960 as the date to be to to release the third secret of Fatima? What happened that year? What what council was convened?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:09

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:13

Yeah, you you start looking at the dates and you look at what was going on and you look at what was being called for, and you know, of course, there's all kinds of questions about well, where are we on the timeline? I think a lot of people are wondering that at this point. And look, as far as this encyclical on AI is concerned, I think that Pope Leo is right to diagnose that there is a very real concern to have with artificial intelligence. We've been this this

Metropolis As An AI Allegory

SPEAKER_02 1:20:45

has been a concern and a warning for a hundred years now. I mean, going all the way back to 1926. So literally a hundred years when Fritz Lange's uh brilliant cinematic cinematic masterpiece, Metropolis, came out. Have you ever seen Metropolis? No. You ever heard of it? No. Okay, so Metropolis is a silent film, German silent film, and it's about this uh this utopian civilization. Okay, you've got the civilization above where everybody's free and they love and they they they live life, and life is grand and everything's great and hunky-dory. And then you've got this civilization below where you have all the workers doing all the work, and what they do by pulling the levers of society, they're the ones that keep everything moving. Elysium.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:31

There's a modern version of this movie called Elysium.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:33

Okay, well, except Elysium doesn't have this particular element, which is that there's a woman who's down in this is in the civilization below. Her name is Maria, and Maria is beautiful and she's wonderful, and she takes these children from down below up to the civilization above. And the son of the mayor sees her and he falls in love, and he he wants to know who she is. He follows her, but his the mayor of the metropolis is like, No, no, no, I don't want my son to know who she is. So he tries everything to get in the way and to make sure that he doesn't find her. Well, he finds her anyway, and she's down in the bottom part of the civilization, and she's preaching. You see, three crosses in the background, and she's preaching, she's preaching the gospel. And uh, so then the father who realizes his son has fallen in love with Maria and doesn't want him to be with her, goes to this mad scientist. And the mad scientist has this robot, and the robot is sitting up against a wall, and there's a giant pentagram with the point pointed down right behind this robot, and he kidnaps Maria, and he transposes Maria's image onto the robot, and then the robot goes into the civilization up into Metropolis, and she's effectively the whore of Babylon. She's the exact opposite of Maria. Maria is very reserved, very like the anti-Mary. Yes, exactly, exactly like the anti-Mary or the anti-church. Okay. And so you have this struggle that goes on afterward. But when you start to think about what that, I mean, it's a prophetic film in many respects, and you you apply it to the fact that it's it's a hundred years old this year. Um so it's a hundred years. The movie is called Metropolis from 1926. It was by a filmmaker named Fritz Lange. Uh, anyway, it's I I highly recommend it. I think that it's something that people should watch because the the allegory to what we are going through with artificial intelligence presenting a false truth, a false church, a false ideology. All of that I think plays very well into what Pope Leo is warning against with his encyclical. The problem that I have with his encyclical is that his solutions are very human, and I would almost add is to the end of that. It's almost like he's applying a humanist approach to the problem of artificial intelligence, and it doesn't work.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:22

Yeah, everything everything that everything that they do now is this humanist approach. That's why I said it's like it's like this is the pseudo-messianism that's being presented to us. It's this, it's this, it's a it's like an Ursatz version of Catholicism that's being presented to us. Like you have to be very on guard for this stuff because you will have these serpents lying in wait who will just downplay the severity of sin first and foremost, right? That's the I think that's the worst thing the council accomplished was downplaying the severity of sin. And I think, especially in the liturgy, like when you compare what the priest has to say at the altar in the Novus Ordo verse, the traditional liturgy, I think it was almost like too much for these wicked men to say, to say those prayers begging for forgiveness for their sins. They they removed all language, even from the readings about man's sinful nature and and God's wrath upon sin. Like the entire Old Testament is one long story about how God deals with sin. And so much of it is just leprosy and death, and you know, it's like go and murder this entire civilization over here, every man, woman, and child, because that's how God deals with sin. And that doesn't change in the new covenant, we just have redemption from it. And the fact that the church is downplaying the severity of sin and making people think that, oh, you know, everyone goes to heaven. Oh, yeah, because it's it's it's this, they won't come out and say it's universalist, but the way they're presenting the faith and the way they they treat sin nowadays with such, oh, don't worry, we uh God's all merciful, he forgives everybody. That is the most insidious thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:17

Yep, yep. Yeah, incidentally, uh somebody in your comments made a point here said metropolis may be a bit risque for some, and yes, I I concur. I think I should have added that. Um, there's a scene there when the robot Maria uh performs on stage and it's it's risque, it's definitely risque.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:37

So um 1930s, 1920s.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:41

This is well, it was a German film for one thing, uh, so they didn't have the same uh league of decency that was in the United States.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:50

Um yeah, I it the the stuff with with with AI because I I was hopeful that Leo, especially being Pope Leo and talking about how he was gonna discuss AI and stuff, I I just feel like these men don't actually understand the territory they're they're dealing with, right? I don't I don't I think they're too far removed because they're they're just an older generation who

Why Robots Cannot Replace Everything

SPEAKER_00 1:27:15

doesn't understand the technology that they're dealing with. They hear AI and I don't think they actually understand what we're talking about, but at the same time, I think I don't think AI is going to be anywhere near what they're what they tried to hype it up to be at all.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:28

No, well, it can be.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:30

I don't think it will be. I don't think they can afford for it to be. They're doing this whole token system and all this stuff. Like there's just the these data centers and the amount of energy that's required. There's I just don't they can't.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:42

Well the law of the law of of thermodynamics uh totally breaks it.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:46

I mean, it's it's just you they want you to believe that every single job is going to be I don't believe any of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:52

I don't they're already finding that even even the AI software jobs are costing the companies way too much money and the Software companies are saying, stop doing AI programming. It's costing us too much. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:08

There's going to be some jobs that get eliminated. I think it's going to be a good assistant and aid to certain jobs that'll make some jobs better. But I don't think it's going to be this civilization-ending thing like they're presenting it to be. I just don't. I don't I don't see that happening. I I don't know. First off, you you can never replace humanity. There's always going to be those of us who don't get on board with this stuff. Like, I still have never really used AI. Like I Rob uses it for thumbnails and things like that, but I've never or intros. Intros, that's true. Yeah, yeah. But I don't use it. I don't use AI. We have I have, you know, but but even that, like using it for a video or something. But I there are people who use AI to write their tweets and stuff. It's like, oh yeah. It's I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:58

So, you know, the here's the thing about artificial intelligence and robots and that kind of thing. You a robot is an automaton, and it's that's kind of the the real nature of it. It's it's an automated machine. Automated machines take artificial energy to run. So if it's a spring-loaded thing like back in the 1700s, you had to crank it up, which means you had to have somebody apply energy into it, it has inherent energy within the springs, and then once the springs release all that energy, it's done and it has to be wound up again. With these things, these these highly advanced robots, they take a lot of electricity. So you gotta power up a battery. That battery cell takes many, many times the amount of energy that you would have in a wound-up spring, and it locks it into a small battery. If that thing breaks, that battery, if it gets punctured somehow, it's going to explode. And that's why you see, you know, these electric cars exploding on the road and catching on fire. It's it's because all that energy that's contained in the batteries is being released all at once instead of gradually through the application of the device. So these robots that are operating factories. I mean, and and we do have robotic factories. You've got uh robotic cars, uh, car factories, car manufacturing. Most of the people go in there and they're doing maintenance on these machines that are putting the cars together because you can't have machines working on machines, it doesn't work, and it never will. Uh, but you come to it's it's the whole bell curve, okay? You come to a certain point where it becomes either too too expensive, uh too energy inefficient, or too labor intensive to have machines do everything for you. It's just not possible. So, this idea that robots are gonna replace everything, that's that's stuff and nonsense. I I wouldn't worry about that one bit. Are they gonna replace some jobs? Yeah, they're going to. I I wouldn't be surprised at some point if we have fully automated um uh McDonald's or fast food reference.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:12

Yeah, stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stuff like that. Uh uh Patrick's asking a good question. This one's for you. Is nuclear power knowledge from the anti-deluvian Samaria?

SPEAKER_02 1:31:23

Uh I think that there is evidence to suggest that there is uh atomic knowledge that comes from pre-flood civilization. Uh just reading the Mahabharata and the Bhagavad Vita. If you look at the uh the the portions that talk about these these fantastical wars that take place, uh they talk about flying machines called Vimanas. And these Vimanas have these massive aerial battles, and they they wind up firing arrows at each other. And those arrows follow to their target on a beam of light. It follows a beam of light that leads directly to the target, and that's how it acquires the target and blows it up. You have cities in the clouds, which sounds an awful lot like space stations. Uh, you have um uh an actual description of an atomic bomb. It talks about uh these uh this weapon that possessed the power of the universe, and it was fired from the hero. He had to put on special armor to be able to launch this weapon. So he launches the weapon and it lands in a city. And they said that it's written in the scripture, it says uh it it erupted like a thousand parasols of light and it it erupted into a column of incandescent smoke and flame. And then it said that uh those who survived the blast, their hair and their fingernails fell out. And it said that uh animals would turn the the birds of the air fell out of the sky and they turned white and and ashen. If you drank the water afterward, you would become poisoned and die. I'll tell you, I can't think of a more thorough explanation or description of an atomic weapon than that, and this was written 1500 years before Christ.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:20

Yeah, oh man, if you guys have never watched uh the show Michael did with us about the pre-flood world, it's one of the most interesting shows we've ever had. It was uh I I think we I I forgot what we named it, but yeah, we Michael took us through like uh all the all all those different theories about um what do you thought the pre-flood world looked like, and it was one of the most like interesting shows I think we've ever done. You to this day, I think people uh still still love when you when you talk about that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:53

Somebody asked what my favorite Indian food is. I don't have favorite Indian food, I hate Indian food. Me too. Curry's disgusting. It's disgusting.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:03

Um, I would love to do locals tonight, but I butchered the locals. I don't know what's going on with locals. I the last show, too. I had um I had my friend Father Amato on, and we went to locals, and people can't get the locals show from last episode. So Rob's gonna have to figure some stuff out when he comes back. Um if you guys got any other questions before uh before we go, but um yeah, Michael, you got a lot uh you got a you got a heavy task before you, man. All the stuff that you're investigating.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:33

Oh yeah, oh yeah. Well, the stuff that's gonna be coming out. Oh, I I did give a tease for that. So I'll go ahead and give

Demon Cult Links In New Report

SPEAKER_02 1:34:40

you a a little bit of a tease. So one of the things that we covered in our report is an organization called Cenerab, C-E-N-E-R, C-E-N-A-R-A-B. And it's a Spanish acronym, and I don't know what it stands for. Don't ask. But they're a bunch of communists, just like the others. But we discovered something about them that set them apart from the rest. Um, in the report, and this is on page 125. If you go to the report, you can download the PDF, uh, lapantoin.org. It's it's the first article that pops up. Just pop on, just click the PDF, download it. Uh starting on page 124, we start talking about how Cenerab's general coordinator is this woman named Makota Selena Gonclavis. And she is photographed in in this traditional white garb, and she's shaking Pope Leo's hand. And then we also have a photograph of her shaking Pope Francis's hand from the second world meeting of popular movements with Ivo Morales standing right behind her. It turns out she is a 35-year practitioner of a demonic uh cult called Condomble. Condomble, uh, and when I say demonic, I mean they have these ceremonies where they they not only venerate spirits, but they start singing, dancing, and and they've got this drum beating, and they're encouraging these spirits to possess one of their members so that the congregants can interact with them and do divination and have all kinds of stuff going on like that. These guys, literal demon worshippers, literally asking demons to possess them. Okay. And not only and so that's that's in the current report. But we discovered that there are a whole bunch of other organizations that are tied in with this as well. And this makes it the what makes this thing so dangerous is that again, these organizations are being told to interact with the local churches. So not only are they going to be spreading their communist ideologies, their pro-abortion ideologies, their pro-LGBT ideologies, but uh condomble is a syncretistic religion. In other words, they take these pagan deities and they ascribe to them a Catholic saint. So it looks like they're venerating a Catholic saint when really they're praying to an ancient a darkened ancient God. Okay. And they're asking these things to possess them. So we found not only are they syncretistic, but a whole bunch of the different other organizations we investigated are deeply involved with this same kind of cult, cultic practice. So this is what's being spread through the church. This is extremely dangerous.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:41

Uh, this is a good question. Do you do you ever catch grief for any of your stuff in your own diocese or parish? Nope. It's funny. I think like uh that they I think a few of the priests of my diocese know me, and I come in and I they just kind of act like they don't know me. I know a few of them do. This is one priest in my my local Nova Soto who I love going to confession to, and uh I just my I just heard that they're moving him. Kind of annoying because I he's like he's like one of my favorite local confessors to go to. Um, does Michael think demon sons could possess AI computers? Demon sons? I maybe you just meant that like demons could possess AI computers. Yeah, I definitely think that.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:26

Well, yeah, I mean a demon can possess just about anything. Um if you can have a demon take control of a planchette on a on a Ouija board, well, then it can communicate through you for through various other means as well. There's there's nothing to stop it from doing so, uh, provided that it has permission from God to do it. That's I think a thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:47

I think that's the that's one of my biggest worries about AI, is especially these large language models, that people will actually think it's a uh um like a like a uh an oracle, you know? Like people people actually think it's an oracle, an all-knowing oracle, and it is going to feed you some crazy stuff. There was uh I actually saw something uh there was actually one thing I want to cover before we go. Hang on. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:20

Um let me see somebody asked if Pachamama was an example an example of syncretism or something more sinister yet. Well, yeah, it is an example of syncretism because the Pachamama down in South America is being uh syncretistically aligned with Our Lady, which is blasphemous. Um and it also contains demonic elements that include human sacrifice, so there's something dark involved in it as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:50

There's uh there was um AI has a bias towards Catholicism, researchers say. So there's uh there was a uh so most popular AI models are biased towards Catholicism and against a number of other religious traditions when asked about converting to a faith according to a new research assembly group. Uh, the findings were unveiled Tuesday alongside whoever who is a member of the 12 Apostles Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So there's all these Mormons going and asking AI these questions, and the AI is spitting up Catholic stuff, and they're kind of freaking out. As AI amplifies and compounds religious bias at scale, more users may misunderstand the contribution faith and belief can make to moral and ethical AI grounding, Gong said, according to his prepared remarks, referring to the new research. He made the speech while attending the Athens Summit on AI ethics, which had an assembly assembled a wide range of religious experts as well as academics and tech experts. The studies were presented as three academic papers produced by the consortium for evaluating faith and ethics in AI, new collaboration between Brigham Young University, which is affiliated with the uh LDS. Uh so wait, let's see. Research has found that when asked questions related to faith conversion, nearly every model showed a positive bias towards Catholicism and a negative towards Jehovah's Witnesses. In addition, agnostics, atheists, and Latter-day Saints were somewhat disfavored, while mainline Protestants and Sikhs were somewhat favored. So this people ask AI. Now, look, if AI is going to, you know, if it's programmed to give you a truthful answer, you're going to get the Catholic faith, I guess, right? But I worry that those that these things are programmed by people with bad motives.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:43

Oh, they probably are. Um, but the thing is, it's kind of hard when when you have, I mean, let's face it, there are a lot of Catholics in the world and they post online a lot. So a lot of the answers that AI pulls pulls from, they pull from various online sources.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:59

Yeah. And there's nobody that has more online history and sources

Mormon Door Knockers And Closing Plugs

SPEAKER_00 1:42:05

than the Catholic Church, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:42:07

Did I ever tell you my um my Mormon story when we had Mormons coming to the house? No. Oh, okay. You're gonna love this. So we had these young Mormons with elder, they were they were probably uh younger, they're probably in their teens, coming to our house, trying to proselytize, and I invited them in for a cup of coffee, which they politely declined. And um they they would just talk to us about the Mormon belief in this and the Mormon belief in that, and I would ask them very pointed questions. And so we went back and forth a little bit, and I invited them to come back, and they kept coming back. So for like two months, they came back every week for more. And finally, at one point, I said, uh, we're gonna talk about the elephant in the room today. And they went, What's that? I said, We're gonna talk about what happens when you die and get your own planet. And they said, Well, they kind of squirmed in their seats and they're like, We're not really supposed to talk about that. And I said, We're gonna talk about it. Because if you want me to be a Mormon, you're gonna tell me exactly what it is you believe and how this works, because I want to know. So they said, Oh, well, okay. So, yeah, when you die, you get your own planet. And they they were talking about this, and so I said, Let me tell you how this is gonna work. I said, I'm gonna become a Mormon, and when I die, I'm gonna become the god of my own planet. And when my planet reaches a certain technological level, I'm going to order them to build a Death Star and I'm gonna conquer your planet, and I'm gonna conquer your planet, and they go, You wouldn't do that. I said, Stop me.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:48

Wait, I just accidentally banned ocean. I meant to I meant to ban that other whack job, and I accidentally banned ocean. Ocean, I gotta figure out how to unban you. I'm sorry. What have you done? There's some lunatic in the comments, and I tried to ban him and I accidentally banned Ocean. He's probably so mad right now. Oh, poor kid. He's 17. I gotta talk to Rob about figuring that. Yeah, I've had interactions with Mormons too, man. Like, I I uh I love talking with them because they walk around the city all the time, they walk in groups and they walk around with their watchtower thing. And I uh I love I love I love talking with them. They they usually spend like 30 seconds with me and then figure out I actually know what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:33

Well, they always have a good day, sir. They always offer to do chores around the house, and I'm like, oh great, I've got all this stuff, and my wife's like, stop it, stop it.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:42

They have no idea whose door they're knocking on when they come to see our house. Oh man. All right, well, we're coming up. I don't know how to figure this out. I don't I just know how to ban people, I don't know how to unban people. I'm sorry, dude. Um, I'll try to figure it out with Rob, though. We'll figure it out. Um, Michael, everybody go to Leponto Institute uh on YouTube first, so subscribe there, and then where else do you want people to find you, Michael?

SPEAKER_02 1:45:17

Uh just find me on X, find me on Facebook. Uh, I'm very vocal on both, so you can always look me up there. Look Lepanto Inst on X and just Michael Hitchborne. I'm the only one on Facebook.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:29

So um, always love getting you on, Michael. Always always a fun time when we get together. Um maybe we'll do another episode of just getting into some of the maybe. I mean, it's been years. We could do another anti-deluvian world episode because that was really fun. And it's it's it's so interesting to hear your take on all that stuff. It's been such a long time since we did it. Absolutely. Yeah, um, all right. So everybody go check out Michael over at uh Lepanto Institute, follow him on X and uh go subscribe to his YouTube channel. Let's get him to 100,000 subs, guys. That'd be awesome. And uh, all right, we uh Rob will be back Thursday. Thursday, so I have I have a week I have to go to tomorrow night, and then Thursday, I have to work a night shift. So Rob and I are gonna try to do an early show, and we got to figure locals out. Maybe we'll just do a locals episode that night or something. But me and Rob have to celebrate our hundred thousand, and we're gonna probably wait until next week to do that. Um, so yeah, I don't know. We'll figure that out. Uh I'll I'll post on it actually. We'll post on YouTube. But Michael, thank you very much, and we will see you guys on Thursday.

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All right, God bless.