Rome Has Spoken: The Once Liberal Pope Who Tried to Warn Us | Quanta Cura & Syllabus of Errors

A pope gets crowned as the hero of progress and then publishes a document telling bishops to treat modern ideas like a “fatal pestilence.” That swing sounds impossible until you walk the road with Pope Pius IX from 1846 to 1864, with riots in the streets, assassination in Rome, and the slow, methodical dismantling of the Papal States hanging over every decision.

We start with the version of Pius IX the newspapers loved: merciful, pastoral, granting amnesty, loosening restrictions, embracing railways and civic reforms. Then the revolutions of 1848 hit, the Roman Republic rises, Church property is seized, religious orders are suppressed, and the Pope is driven out of his own capital. From that point on, Italian unification and liberal nationalism don’t just threaten a border, they threaten the independence of the papacy itself and the public place of Catholicism.

With that backdrop, we dig into Quanta Cura and the Syllabus of Errors: religious liberty, freedom of conscience, the press, state power over the Church, and the fight over who forms children through education. We also connect the arguments of “free church, free state” Catholic liberals to the long road toward Vatican I, where papal authority becomes impossible to ignore.

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Transcript

The Liberal Pope Mystery

SPEAKER_00 0:31

We're going to try something a little different tonight, so everyone bear with me, especially Anthony, who has to sit through this, as difficult as it is for him. In 1846, fifty cardinals of the Catholic Church elect the man that the world would call the liberal pope. He was supposed to be a reformer, a moderate, and a friend of progress. Italian nationalists were cheering in the streets of Rome. Newspapers across Europe ran glowing profiles of the man, and even the Protestants celebrated. The Catholic Church, they said, had finally caught up with the modern world. Yet, eighteen years later, that same man would issue the most uncompromising condemnation of the modern world ever yet written by

Why We’re Doing This Series

SPEAKER_00 1:14

a pope. What happened? What changed? How does the man that the revolutionary celebrated in 1846 become the man who, on the feast of the Immaculate Conception, on December 8th, 1864, hands every bishop in the world a list of 80 errors and instructs them to handle these ideas, quote, as they would handle the contagion of a fatal pestilence? That's the story of Pope Pius the Ninth, the encyclical quanticura, and the syllabus of errors.

SPEAKER_02 1:45

Man, I'm telling you guys right now, this is Rob's series. This is going to be Rob's series. Like we've been um been talking a lot about uh what like what direction we're gonna take with this, and what we're thinking is we want to kind of go through the timeline and build our way up to the council, essentially, right? So um there's Leo the 13th did a ton of encyclicals, and Pius the Ninth, there's kind of like a gap. Um, like this is Rob was just telling me, like, this is like his big major encyclical, and then there's really not much else that we're gonna cover under Pius the Ninth, really. But but Pius the Ninth is Pope during Vatican I.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

So it's and then and then you're just gonna start getting hit with all the Leo the 13th encyclicals, and like we're we're thinking Rare Navarum is gonna be kind of like one of the crown jewels of the series, so we're not gonna get to that immediately. Um, but yeah, this is it's really uh I'm excited for this because we're gonna learn about a lot of history that I that I never knew. Rob Rob sends me like um a small historical synopsis of this, and he sends me the encyclical. So I read through the encyclical, I read through it twice, um and I read the small historical synopsis, but Rob basically is writing a script for this. Like he like there's there's a lot of work going into this. It's not, you know, we're actually doing show prep, it's not like scanning Twitter for like things to talk about. So um these shows are not going to get a lot of views. Uh, those of you who are watching, like even right now, there's 130 people watching, and that's like that's insanely low for us.

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We were getting 500, uh Daniel and Josh.

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are still doing local shows after these, though. So we're gonna try to keep this at an hour, and then we're gonna head over to locals on locals. I mean, we have to talk pelican. We have to just crazy what came out for uh the pelican news today was just nuts. So we have to talk Pelican over there. I also have a John Deloney clip that in case things go south on locals. I gotta I gotta back in a John Deloney clip. So we uh yeah, so we're gonna do the uh the historical series now. Essentially, what we're doing is trying to view history from the lens of the papacy and watching world events and seeing how the how the how the church and the papacy specifically handled these world events. Uh, before we get to it though, I we have I have another uh a success story from Knickknack. Uh another one, huh?

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SPEAKER_00 8:29

Like there's kind of like a deadlock between the conservative and the liberal, and they're actually really similar to what we're what we have heard so far about how Leo, uh modern Leo was elected, right?

SPEAKER_02 8:42

Kind of so um, yeah, so he's yeah, so they're kind of deadlocked between conservatives and liberals. There is you see this fight in the church already going on, yeah. And and the and it was like got like God was able to put the right men in position to hold this force off for a significant period of time before.

SPEAKER_00 9:06

And we'll we'll we'll get into it, but in this week, there's another liberal celebrity priest that uh Pies deals with. Uh just like there was uh what was the what was the name last week? Lamine. Yeah that uh Gregory dealt

Pius IX Before The Papacy

SPEAKER_00 9:20

with.

SPEAKER_02 9:20

So yeah, yeah, who he eventually names in in one of his encyclicals, right? But it was what's interesting is Rob and I both when reading the encyclical, like I think Mirari Voss was like a little more like like you would think the syllabus, like the syllabus about okay. So what we're what we're covering is it's both um it it's both the syllabus of errors and um quantique quantifia.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

So quanticura is the actual encyclical, and then the syllabus of lit errors was attached to the encyclical as it was sent to all the bishops of the world, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:58

And I and we both think uh Morari Voss was a little bit like harsher and like really dealing with this stuff, but they're definitely dealing with some of the same themes. So Rob, take us take us into this okay.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

So uh Pius the Ninth, he is born. Uh he's born as Giovanni Maria. Uh I think it's Mastai uh Ferretti. Um, so when I name him, I might just name him Ferretti. We'll see. But so he's born in 1792. So that's 30 years after his predecessor, Gregory the 16th, was born. But it's only it's three years after the storming of the Bastille. So already, you know, this is only our second set second encyclical we're talking about. And we already have a pope who's being born into like a world that's engulfed by the flames of the revolution that Mirari Voss was was written against, you know. So Pius, Pius IX never knew the world that existed before the revolution. I mean, you know, that's that's we're already at that at that point. Um, but he came up and rose up in the church uh the slow way. He was first uh uh archbishop. Um he was first an archbishop of Spileto, and then he became Archbishop of Imola. And basically everywhere he went, he um gathered this reputation that made him seem really different from from Gregory. Um Gregory, the 17th 16th, was austere, combative, unyielding, whereas uh Ferretti, Pius IX, was warm, uh known to be very charitable, uh as in giving, not very pastoral, right?

SPEAKER_02 11:40

Like that's gonna describe as very pastoral.

SPEAKER_00 11:43

Yeah, there's stuff I read in I don't know how accurate it is, and um, you know, or maybe how much of a liberal bent it had, but a lot of like describing him as being really giving to the poor, whereas the other cardinals at the time weren't, and you know how true that is, I don't it's hard to say. I don't know. Um, but they almost described him a lot like the way the media described Francis, yeah, humble, right?

SPEAKER_02 12:09

And he was super merciful too. Like, there was like uh especially with some of like the some of the more um revolutionary type figures who like he he was so I mean Rob will probably get into that, but but I don't I don't want to steal his thunder, but like there's there's revolutionaries happening, and he you know, where everybody else wanted that tough love approach, he was just like super forgiving of things, and yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:34

So when he's Archbishop of Spileto, um he's there during the 1831 revolts that we talked about last week, which triggered Gregory to write Mirari Voss. Um, Gregory had called in Austrian troops into the Papal States to put down the revolt in his territories. Um Freddy, Pius IX, didn't he he actually went out to the the the rebels personally, talked to them in person, and convinced them all to lay down their arms. Then not only was he able to get pardons for those rebels from the the temporal rulers of Spileto, but he actually personally gave them all money to travel back to wherever they came from, wherever their home was. So he dealt with the those 1831 revolts really differently than Gregory. That's the that's the reputation he was building. Um in Emila, he was known for visiting prisons often. He personally ran programs for street children, he personally donated money to improve roads and other infrastructure. Um, but at the same time, he was known to reject radical liberalism. Um and he he wanted what he called a Christian golden mean. He wanted a way for the church to engage the modern world without fully surrendering to it. Um but Gregory the 16th dies in June of 1846, and the cardinals all lock themselves in a conclave. Back then it was done at what what's called the Cor Corinth Corinal Coronal Palace. Um but the Sistine Chapel? No, not then. Wow. Coronel Palace, Cornell Palace, maybe I'm not sure. But um the the the Cardinals were divided. They had the Harline Conserve conservatives called the Zelante, and they were pushing um a Cardinal Lambrascini, and that was Gregory the 16th Secretary of State, so it's kind of air apparent. The radical liberal cardinals on the other side were pushing for a Cardinal Gizzy. Um, but after four ballots, um, neither side was was close to winning. So the radical liberals decided to forget about Cardinal Gizzy, and they decided to put their support behind what they considered a moderate compromise, who was the 50 four-year-old archbishop from Imola, um Freddy. Freddy didn't he had any of a campaign a campaign for the papacy at all. And um once it became clear he was gonna win, he he like very emotionally said like tried to say no, no way. Um, but he did end up accepting. And he took the name Pius IX in honor of his friend, his personal friend Pius the uh seventh, who was one of the two popes that Napoleon had imprisoned.

SPEAKER_02 15:27

So right, so so he gets he gets elected in 1846, right? 1846, yes.

Election Deadlock And Early Reforms

SPEAKER_02 15:35

Now what's what's surrounding this time period is our lady appearing in Lourdes is what 1852 or something? 1858. Oh, it's that far, it's that down far down the road. So and and when is this in when is Quanta Cura written?

SPEAKER_00 15:52

So Quanta Cura is released in 64, um, on the 10th anniversary of when Pius the Ninth declares the Immaculate Conception to be dogma.

SPEAKER_02 16:03

So uh and then when is the feast of the Immaculate Conception instituted as December 8th, is my question.

SPEAKER_00 16:10

On on December 8th of 1854.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

So that's when the feast, that's when the feast of of the Immaculate Conception. Okay, so because he releases Quanta Cura on the feast of the Immaculate Conception on the 10th 10th anniversary. Okay, wow, that's really interesting.

SPEAKER_00 16:25

Yep. Um, so yeah, he takes the name Pius IX, and he be he he starts to govern exactly as the liberals hoped and thought he would. Um, he starts by granting a general amnesty to political prisoners, he eases restrictions on the Jews in Rome and in the Papal Spades, he allows railways into the Papal Spades and starts building gas streetlights, which was apparently like a big liberal project at the time. Um, and those are all things that Gregory the 16th refused on principle.

SPEAKER_02 16:55

Gregory the 16th, doesn't didn't Gregory the 16th write about um like electricity is being invented and about those gas streetlights talking. He I think Gregory the 16th warned us that with like street lights and things like that we will cease to wonder at the stars. Which which Pope wrote about that?

SPEAKER_00 17:16

Uh let me take a look.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

There's actually a I don't I I think it was Gregory the 16th warned us about because electricity is coming into in coming around.

SPEAKER_00 17:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So yeah, when when uh Gregory the 16th takes becomes Pope in 1831, he bans gas streetlights and telegraph lines. Um I'm just reading a quick summary, but he says it says he believes streetlights would promote commerce and empower the middle class, eventually leading to demands for liberal reforms. Um but there was theological argument saying that uh lighting up the night defied natural delineation between night and day established by God.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

Yeah, well, look, not even like you just think about what it's like. Like Rob, you live out in the middle of nowhere, so you still get the gate with the stones.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

I live in one of the only places like we're not really east of the Mississippi, we're north, but one of the only places in like the eastern half of the U.S. that's uh a dark sky uh sanctuary or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 18:24

Yeah, yeah, like you'll see the northern lights by you on occasion, right?

SPEAKER_00 18:27

Northern lights, Milky Way is easily visible, yeah. All of it.

SPEAKER_02 18:31

Yeah, so I live in a place with such light pollution that if I get out to the country somewhere and see the stars, I just look up and wonder. And I think there's something too man having that time where he would just gaze up at the stars and it set his imagination free. And I mean, I you know, so yeah, Pius the Liberals will be here drowning out drowning out the stars. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 18:55

And uh Gregory the 16th had called uh railroads the um roads to hell and uh banned them, but Pius um Pius embraced them, and he was the first pope to uh to travel on train. Train.

SPEAKER_02 19:10

Yeah, I like Gregory the 16th. I gotta look more into this.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

Right. I don't like Gregory the 16th. Um Pius IX relaxes laws on the press. We know what we read in Mirari Voss about the press under Gregory the Sixteenth. Um, he starts to appoint what people considered liberals to the government and the Papal States. Um, and basically, like the the streets of Rome are like cheering. The uh Italian nationalists are putting his picture in their windows, they're you know, in the streets, they're chanting chanting uh viva Pio Nono, along with Pius IX. Um and the the conservatives at that time that you know for two years the conservatives are thinking that the most dangerous man to the Catholic Church was the Pope um from 1846 to 1848. And then the revolutions of 1848 happened, and just like what we saw in 1831 with Gregory, um we we see with uh 1848 and pious. Um, so yeah, if if 1830 was the year that forced uh Mirari vos, 1848 is the year that made the syllabus of errors inevitable. Um, revolution ignites all across Europe, um, like a wildfire. Paris falls again, uh, Vienna falls to the rebel, the rebels, um, Berlin uh is having issues, Milan um rose against the Austrians. Milan was under Austrian leadership at the time, Hungary tries to break away from the Austrians. Basically, every Catholic monarchy on the entire continent is fighting for its life in 1848. Um, and in Rome, uh Pius, you know, who who uh the liberals all loved found out exactly how much their love was worth, as many liberals have, you know, even today liberals tend to uh to eat their own, yeah, devour their own. Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

So in 1848, all this mercy and clemency that Pius is showing to these people, it ends up coming back and biting them in the ass, and he's like, Man, you give these people an inch and they take a mile.

SPEAKER_00 21:18

Yeah, so in 1848, they demand a constitution, they demand um uh this is, I think, in Italy as a whole, not just in the the Papal States. They demand a constitution, they demand war against Austria, they demand the unification of Italy. Um, you know, Pius IX was had really been a reformer, for better or worse, um, up to that point. But he he refuses to declare it to declare basically you know what they're thinking is a holy war on the Catholic Empire. That's what the the revolutionaries want, and he says he says no. So they uh they turn on him. And in November, on November 15th of 1848, his prime minister of the papal. States, basically his you know, civilian governor of the Papal States, uh, Count

1848 Revolt And Flight From Rome

SPEAKER_00 22:05

Pellegrino Rossi, um, walks up to the walks up the steps of the the parliament and is uh assassinated. Uh a young revolutionary um who was part of a plot by uh Roman Republican societies, you know, probably mostly like the secret societies like Masons and so on. Uh in broadly broad daylight in front of witnesses drives a dagger into the neck of Rossi. Um and Rossi bleeds out in front of everyone on the marble. Um when Pius when Pius hears about this, he declares that Rossi has died a martyr of duty. Um and then the very next day, an armed mob surrounds the Quirinal Palace and they open fire on the windows and actually kill one of the Pope's um advisors. And they demand that he hands the government over to the government of the Papal States over to these revolutionaries. And it gets so bad that a week later, on November 24th, which happens to be my birthday, um Pius IX puts on just a simple uh like the cassock of a simple priest. He climbs into a carriage in disguise and he has to flee Rome under cover of darkness. He uh he doesn't stop until he reaches Gaeta, which is located across the border of the Papal States and is in the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies. So he flees not even just Rome, he flees the Papal States entirely.

SPEAKER_02 23:32

Um this puts so much of Cardinal Cardinal Manning's book into perspective for me. Like learning this because Cardinal Manning's fear is that they're going to chase the Pope out of Rome, and the city of Rome is going to return to its uh pagan ways. Is anybody else having trouble with the town?

SPEAKER_00 23:52

Yeah, anyone anyone having issues?

SPEAKER_02 23:56

Um, yeah, like that you Cardinal Manning is when he's writing um the current crisis of the Holy See, the present crisis of the Holy See, he's seeing the Pope being chased out of Rome because he's living among among these revolutions that are happening, and so you really you really do kind of need the historical context to understand what why these men are writing the things that they're writing.

SPEAKER_00 24:19

Someone says this would make a great movie. I don't know why Hollywood seems to make the same movie 40 times over nowadays. Like history is it's full of things that would make amazing movies, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:32

Especially like church history, church history would be so freaking awesome. I can hear Anthony, but the sound is good, other than that. Uh is terrible.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

I can hear Ant loud and clear. Oh man. Um, okay, so yeah, he flee he flees to the the kingdom of the two Sicilies. So the man that the the whole world he called the liberal pope is now the exiled Pope, basically. He was hunted out of his own capital by the basically the same people that he had found pardons for, you know, less than two decades before this. So 15 years before this, he's fine, he's getting pardons for these people, and now they're literally like hunting him as he flees Rome.

SPEAKER_01 25:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:14

Um in February of the next year, so a few months later, the revolutionaries declare what they call the Roman Republic. They suppress all religious orders, they seize all church property, they march into the convents and throw out the nuns, they turned all the monasteries into barracks. Um, you know, I'm reading about um the Spanish Civil War right now, and like these are things like the communists are doing in Spain in the 1930s.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

Yeah, these are things that you read that the it's a it's it's always like the suppression of the monasteries, right? Typically because they want to loot them and to and take all, take, take every, you know, every anything of value out of them. But it really is kind of nuts how you're seeing those attacks coming from the outside, and then you watch the Francis papacy and Francis is the one shutting down the monasteries and stuff. It's just I'm telling all the things that you're you're you're learning about from these popes, especially Gregory and Pius, so far that I'm learning. It's like they're warning us about this impending thing that's coming, and the very thing they're warning us about is like the thing that's proclaimed by the church now. It's really, really kind of twisted the way things worked out.

SPEAKER_00 26:24

Uh, what year was the Jesuits reinstated? Uh, that's a good question. Let me take a look. Actually, just just read about that.

SPEAKER_02 26:34

Um, because the suppression of the Jesuits.

SPEAKER_00 26:39

Yeah, it was about a little of this.

SPEAKER_02 26:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:45

Um, so uh so yeah, and February of 49, they declare the Roman Republic. Pius is in the two Sicilies, and he excommunicates the leaders of the Roman Republic at this point. Um then that summer, uh Napoleon the Third, um, who uh Napoleon III is an interesting character. On one hand, he he he he he's the he starts as a leader of the the president of the French Republic, but then basically declares, you know, a second like Napoleonic Empire. Um, so he's kind of he's not really really Catholic, but he wants to kind of be seen as a protector of the church. You know, he's a he's an interesting character, but that summer he sends troops to retake retake Rome. So they retake Rome in July of 1849. Um, but Paez doesn't feel comfortable uh enough to return there until April of 1850. And when he comes back, he's he's entirely changed. Um, you know, he had given the liberals everything they wanted, he'd given them amnesty, press laws, um, reforms. He even gave them, like we said, money out of his own pocket, and they repaid him by stabbing his prime minister in the throat and uh driving him out of Rome with the mob. Um, so you know, if if he walked into Gaeta as a liberal, he comes back into Rome as a counter-revolutionary.

SPEAKER_02 28:16

It's it's it's kind of funny because you you read about him giving like more freedom to the press and stuff, and then in Quanta Cura, he's like flipping out about the pamphlets and all the press and all the things that are going on again. Because Gregory saw that it what it was going to be, and that's why he's laying down and he's talking about you know putting out limits on what Catholics are allowed, like they have the banned book lists and all these different things. Pius comes in and he loosens that stuff up a bit, and it comes back to to to haunt them. Is that you can never satiate liberals because they even even modern liberals, right? There's no end to the revolution.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

It's just that whole idea of progress, right? Progress must progress.

SPEAKER_02 28:57

Yeah, there's no there's no like set of things that they want that you can satiate and say, okay, like set a baseline. This is what you know, give we'll give you what you want, then we'll work from there. No, there isn't, it'll just be enough. You it happened with the civil rights movement, and then it goes to the gay rights movement, then it goes to the trans rights, like they'll find something new, and next it'll be you know pedophilia, it'll be that'll never end until there's

Italian Unification Targets The Church

SPEAKER_02 29:20

just total anarchy and debauchery. That's really what their ultimate goal is, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:26

Um, so if 1848 seemed bad, the the next 16 years between 1848 and 1864, it just gets worse. So if 1848 broke Pius the Ninth, personally, the next 16 years broke the Papal States basically systematically, and this was all done by the uh Risorgimento, which is Italian for resurgence. It was basically the project to unify and unite the entire Italian peninsula under a liberal nationalist state. The driving force behind it was the kingdom of Piedmont Sardinia, um, who had a Freemason king, Victor Emmanuel II, Freemason Prime Minister, Count Camillo, uh Camillo di Cavour, and eventually ends up having a Freemason guerrilla general named Giuseppe Garibaldi. And the biggest thing, the the two things standing in their way, um, were Austria and the Papal States. At this point, the Papal States had existed um in some form or fashion for over a thousand years. Uh, they go back to the eighth century, and um they were granted a Pope Stephen II, but around the year 750 by uh the father of Charlemagne, Pepin the Short. Um in, you know, I think a lot of people, especially Protestants um or liberal Catholics, uh, they don't really understand what the Papal States really were or why they were so important to the Pope. Um, they weren't just like real estate or they weren't a way for him to make money or ordered to rule over people. They were the way that the popes guaranteed their independence, their spiritual independence. Because without them, whoever ruled the, you know, the area Rome was in held the Pope was basically able to hold the Pope hostage.

SPEAKER_02 31:19

Yeah, the the agreement they eventually come to with giving the Vatican, like the Vatican is the smallest country in the world, essentially, right? So they eventually settle on okay, we're gonna give you just the Vatican, and the Vatican walls are where at least the Pope still has that. But it also is a is a is it's to show that the Pope does have temporal power, right? Like there's something about like the the way in which church and state operate that the Pope having papal states kind of shows the like the the the proper order where the Pope should have some kind of temporal power and spiritual power.

SPEAKER_00 31:59

Yep, which is why uh why the liberals hate it hate that idea so much. But so in um in 1860, the Piedmontese uh eventually finally crossed the border into the Papal States. Papal army is pretty small and outnumbered, and it's made up of um volunteers, basically. Uh these are the the papal zooves um that uh that are somewhat famous today. Um they're all volunteers. I mean, you and most of them were largely from uh from Ireland, a lot. There were a lot from Ireland. There were some from America, American Irish that volunteered, but they're a small um volunteer army that are fighting, you know, uh a more professional, larger source. So they end up getting crushed at the Battle of Castell Fid Fidardo? Castel Fidardo um in September of 1860, and within weeks after that, uh Piedmont basically has most of the Papal States. The Pope ends up being left with Rome and just a small strip of territory around it. Um, and he was only left that much because there were still French troops in the city protecting it, you know, at least trying to keep it somewhat independent. Um, and in every territory that Piedmont took, uh they used the exact same playbook. They confiscated church property, they suppressed the monasteries, they expelled the religious orders, they got rid of church marriage and replaced it with civil marriage. They um got rid of Catholic schools, replaced them with secular schools. This is this is such an important facet to this, right?

SPEAKER_02 33:39

Like, especially us in America with public schools, like you're you're going to see pious ranting about how they want to infect children from the earliest of ages, right? Like, if you really wanted to all this talk about America first and all these different things that you're seeing these political movements, if you don't teach children their heritage, like this history that we are going through right now, like without teaching children and all all Christians that the what the Roman Empire looks like before Christ and how the Christian like the Christian faith transforms the world. Like, if you don't add that element into history to teach children their heritage, like you're poisoning them from the beginning. Now, the kids going into school, what are they learning about? They're they're learning about the civil rights movement, they're learning about the free the freaking Holocaust. Like the these are the things that that these that modern children are taught are the foundation of their being.

SPEAKER_00 34:39

It's those those are the things that conservatives teach modern children, yeah. Let alone what the the crazy progressives teach these days.

SPEAKER_02 34:48

Even like when you see like this whole uh the 1776 movement, we're gonna teach children about American history. It's like you're never gonna keep a Christian nation if you don't teach Christians their their heritage and their inheritance. If you don't understand how Christ transformed the world, you don't even know what your what you're you don't know what is on the horizon to return because you don't even know what Christ conquered, and that's really what we're facing today. That nobody understands the pagan world, and the pagan world is encroaching back upon us.

SPEAKER_00 35:19

Yeah. Um, and then the big thing that the uh that Piedmont did was they they by law reduced Catholicism from the religion of the people to just one uh private option among many. So they basically introduced by law religious liberty, yeah. Um so then so this is in 1860, and they do you know they they do all these things then um starting in 1860, in September of 1864, so that just three months before Quanticura is is released. Uh France and Italy sign what they call the September Convention. France agreed to withdraw its troops from Rome within two years, and Italy promised in return not to attack what was left of the papal territory. Um Pius uh Pius saw it, saw it as a death warrant, basically. Um, France was the only thing saying between him and the revolutionaries, and uh he didn't think uh the kingdom of Italy's promise was worth the papers written on.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

Um, this is what this is why like France was always seen as the eldest daughter of the church, right? Like like France, but they I don't know, because you go back and and France France marched on on Rome during the Borgia papacy, though.

SPEAKER_00 36:39

Yeah, and you have the Amazon papacy, yeah. Uh I mean there's really every Catholic kingdom has a pretty complex relationship with the church, but um but yeah, so so basically so like I said, that's in September. So think about where Pi where Pius is sitting in the fall of 1864 as he starts to write this encyclical. It's been 16 years since his prime minister was assassinated, it's been four years since he watched his own volunteer army

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cut down in battle, and it's only uh three months uh since a treaty that basically sealed Rome's fate. Um, and every other government in Europe at this time is basically also methodically disassembling the church under the banner of liberalism. So that's where like the political situation is sitting as this encyclical and as the syllabus is released. But there's a whole nother story about what's happening in the church at this time, too.

SPEAKER_02 37:39

Um, real quick. So a lot of people are tuning in, and like I thought you guys started at eight. So I Rob are playing Rob and I are playing around with the idea of starting at seven from now on. So if you're just tuning in, um, there may be nights where we push to eight because I may get home from work late or Rob may have something going on, but like I think we're gonna aim for a 7 p.m. Eastern start, just because it'll you know, it I get I give Zan more time to start clearly. Yeah, I like I it it really is a lot better for me, but we so it just keep an eye out. It may be 7 a 7 p.m. and maybe 8 p.m. We're we're gonna try and go for seven though from now on. So um, so now what what is the situation in the church you're talking about?

SPEAKER_00 38:17

So just like we talked about with Gregory right before Mirari Voss, with all the stuff Gregory dealt with in 1830, the his biggest problem in the church was Lamonet, the priest Lamonet in the church. Um, and it's basically almost an exact repeat of that this time around. So if you remember um our uh Slim Jim priest uh named Lamonet from the last episode, um he at that point had a young liberal disciple disciple named Charles de probably Montembert, Montembe, I don't know, French name, um Montembert, I'm just gonna say. So Maltembert had gone with Lamonet to Rome um as part of the the his newspaper, the La Venere, in 1832. So he was there in Rome with Lamonet when um when Gregory releases Mirari Voss. But um unlike Lamonet, he didn't disappear. So after the commendation, uh the condemnation, Lamonet disappears, apostasizes. Uh Montembert stays within the church. And now 30 years, well, nearly 30 years later, or 34 years later, he's older, he's more polished, he's more respectable, but he's he's preaching the exact same gospel that Lamonet preached.

SPEAKER_01 39:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:42

And now there was a whole you know another generation, a whole new audience that was that was hungry for it.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

Basically preaching the Bishop Barron gospel. Hey, this is actually uh uh uh a good question. Um, because this is around the time the civil war in America is happening. Does Pius the Ninth um uh give any input into the American Civil War?

SPEAKER_00 40:04

Well, so he did have he he had quite a bit of personal correspondence with Jefferson Davis, the the president of the Confederacy. Um there uh it's hard to say what you know some of the stories you hear, how much truth there is to it, but um, you know, supposedly he wrote to Jefferson Davis while Davis was in prison after the Civil War. Um, you know, basically tell him to keep you know keep keep hope. Um, supposedly he calls Lincoln a tyrant in one letter. Lincoln was a tyrant. Yeah, Lincoln was a tyrant. I I agree. Um, but did he did he actually condemn American slavery? That's a good question.

SPEAKER_02 40:46

Um it's just like because you you think about because this is what's happening in Europe, and you think about the wider context, what's happening in America, you have the civil war happening in America, like the world is on fire during this period, man.

SPEAKER_00 40:59

So actually, so I guess in 1866, because a couple years after this, a year after the American Civil War ends, the Holy Office, in a response to a um a question, the Holy Office states that slavery, considered per se in itself, was quote, by no means repugnant to the natural and divine law.

SPEAKER_02 41:23

It's not though. I mean, look, uh right, I mean, incarceration and bringing cattle slavery, they call it like cattle slavery or something. Like that's different. Like you could talk, say that might be repugnant, but like no, like slavery, especially, especially like indentured servitude and things like that that are happening in the ancient world, that's actually how people survive. Like they wouldn't have, you know, without without having that structure, like the peasants would have never been able to survive if they weren't servants to to

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aristocrats and the wealthy.

SPEAKER_00 41:56

Now, I guess, I guess in 1839, Pope Gregory the 16th issued an apostolic letter uh called In Supremo, uh Apostolis, um, that condemns the African slave trade.

SPEAKER_02 42:10

Yeah, but not slavery in general, not slavery inherited. It's not like it's not like saying, you know, the uh death penalty is inadmissible. Right. Yep. Um okay, so you have that okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:26

So you have so you have the Bishop Barron of the day, and he's uh So in August of 1863, so a little over a year before Quantum Care is released, there's a Congress, a Catholic Congress in Belgium. And if you remember, Belgium was created only 30 years before this, right before Gregory the 16th. So um, but anyways, at a Catholic Congress in Belgium, this priest um Mantum I I hate French names, but this new priest stands up in front of the the Congress and he gives two famous speeches. And basically his his his two thesis or his thesis and both speeches, um, and that these are his words. Uh his thesis is a free church and a free state. Basically, he argued that the church should give up on on monarchy, it should stop trying to preserve any sort of confessional state, and it should embrace religious liberty as a civil right, it should embrace separation of church and state and embrace liberal democracy.

SPEAKER_02 43:25

Um literally everything they did in the council, right? So, this is look, this is why the society is making such a big deal. Like, this is why Lefebvre goes nuts over religious liberty. It's like all the things the popes are condemning. Because I even, dude, I remember um I remember listening to uh I used to listen to this podcast with these priests. I'm talking back in the day podcast before like any video or anything. Um, Catholic stuff you should know. It was a podcast I used to listen to. It was like right, right, you know, it was like early on in my reversion. I'm coming back and I'm just looking for Catholic stuff to listen to. And there's these two guys in seminary, and I remember them talking about this period when the Pope loses the Papal States, and they're like, Well, maybe you know, in hindsight, I guess that was a good thing because the Pope should be uh the Pope should only be I don't know why I'm mocking the way they're talking, but uh, the Pope should really just be in control of spiritual matters and he should not have any say over like temporal affairs like that, and that is what eventually ends up coming to be the normative thinking in the church, but it was never that way because the there's such a close relationship between church and state for centuries and centuries, and this is the time period where there's revolutions happening everywhere, they're throwing away monarchy, there is no more confessional states, it's just revolution upon revolution, the whole world is shifting towards democracy, and they want the pope to stay in Rome. And go ahead, you could tell people they have, you know, they have to do this on Sunday, but don't interfere with these temporal affairs. And you still see it freaks people out when the Pope says anything about temporal affairs, which is why Trump lost his couple of weeks.

SPEAKER_00 45:08

Exactly. Um, yeah, that's a good point. Like on the political spectrum, like both sides of the American political spectrum are in error, you know, when it comes to the this sort of subject. Um, but yeah, so Montambert was basically saying that the church didn't need any sort of privilege, it just needed freedom that it would thrive under freedom. So it was basically exactly what Lamanae uh before Gregory was saying. It was it was all that all over again, it was the same poison just in a new bottle. Um, but like Gregory Pius IX was watching.

SPEAKER_02 45:43

Um Rob, do you do you know anything about this? I don't even know what this is a reference to. Though so the miracle of 1849, miracle of the Vatican, uh Veronica's veil became miraculously enlivened for three hours. I don't I don't I've never even heard of that. That's uh it's interesting that this is in this time period, though. There's like there's so much going on because you all like like I the I I think that the Marian dogmas being proclaimed under Pius the Ninth. Because he uh especially when we when we get into the encyclical, you're yeah on January 6th in 1849.

SPEAKER_00 46:19

Um, the image of Christ on Saint Veronica's veil in St. Peter's Basilica became vivid, glowing, and lifelike for three hours. This is why, while Pius IX was in exile, so and it happened on Epiphany. Right. Three hours uh happened for three hours on Epiphany, the on the Epiphany, right after Pius is forced to you know escape from Rome.

SPEAKER_02 46:44

Wow, I never even heard about that. Yeah, the holy face devotion comes from that.

SPEAKER_00 46:49

Now, my this little this little thing I'm reading here doesn't say when in the day, but it would not surprise me if it's from 12 to 3, I would imagine, right?

SPEAKER_02 47:01

Yeah, I don't know. I've never even heard of that, but yeah, it's just uh this this whole man, you you're watching the whole world just feels so unsteady. This is why there's so much apocalyptic fervor during this time period. The the the the Protestant and Catholic wars are popping off, then you have all these just these revolutions happening where they're throwing off monarchy in every single place. Um, and you're see you're seeing the dissolution of Christendom in this time period. Like it's just completely dissolving. Christendom is just completely dissolving, and this the the new like the the way the church will approach the world changes at Vatican II because of all of these events. Like these events are the things that lead to the church saying, okay, let's throw off the prophets of doom because all of these popes are like the world is going to end. This is nuts. What are we doing here?

SPEAKER_00 47:57

Well, except the popes are the popes really aren't saying that, though.

SPEAKER_02 48:00

Not saying the world's gonna end, but they're no Rob, they are warning much warning that we are looking at a level of evil on our doorstep right now, that everyone is just trying to throw off the yoke of Christ the king. Like that's what the popes are seeing. They're seeing the whole world in revolution, and they all want to throw off the yoke of Christ the king. And the popes are saying, no, take his yoke on, his yoke is light. And if you want your state to survive, you need the Catholic faith. Like, that's really what they're saying, especially in this encyclical. Pius IX is saying, if you want your state to survive, you need your children to be Catholic. It is the thing that will keep peace in your nation. All these revolutions are happening. Like he's talking to the kings, and he's talking to the the to the to the to those in authority, and he's like, You you you don't know what you're inviting into your doorstep with these revolutions.

SPEAKER_00 48:56

I'm just seeing if there's any um that's basically the end of uh basically the end of the history.

SPEAKER_02 49:07

I mean, so yeah, so so so let's get

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into Quanta Cura now, because I mean it took up 50 minutes, so let's get into Quanta Cura. It's like um so there's a couple of things I have highlighted that I want to jump into. The like the first one, I mean, uh, this whole encyclical you could just highlight and read, but just the the presence the popes speak with back then is just so like jarring. Um, we read it's in part two in uh paragraph two, Rob. We raised our voice and in men, and and in many published encyclical letters and elocutions delivered in consistory and other apostolic letters, we condemn the chief errors of this most unhappy age. And we excited your admirable episcopal vigilance, and we again and again admonished and exhorted all sons of the Catholic Church to us most dear, that they should they should altogether abhor and flee from the contagion of so dire a pestilence. And especially in our first encyclical letter written to you on November 9th, 1846, and in two allocutions delivered by us in consistory those dates, uh, we condemn the monstrous port portends of opinion which prevail, especially in this age, bringing with them the greatest loss of souls and detriment of civil society itself, which are grievously opposed also not only to the Catholic Church and her salutary doctrine and venerable rights, but also to the eternal natural law engraven by God in all men's hearts and to right reason and from which almost all other errors have their origin. Like he is seeing the things that are happening in the world, and he's seeing the poison that's coming to the children of the church. And he's like, like it's something you almost don't see in the modern popes. Like the modern popes, when they write an encyclical, they're writing to the world, where these popes are like the my Catholic children who are most dear to me. They're so concerned with the souls of the baptized Catholics.

SPEAKER_00 50:58

Yeah, well, well, yeah, one thing to note this is still um in the age where encyclicals are basically being written to the bishops. Yeah. Um, you know, it it starts off saying basically it's it's all patriarchs, primate, primates, archbishops, and bishops. So we're not yet at the point where they're where they address the whole world. Um yeah, I I I highlighted it basically the exactly what you highlighted, just most and like you said, because of the language. It's just not language, it's you know, we hear in um in modern Vatican documents. And so he mentions a couple other writings he had done previous. I just wanted to say that we chose to do this one, and this will be the only one under Pines the Ninth, because the syllabus is actually a collection of of errors he condemns in all his previous writings. So, like this encyclical and this syllabus basically is a summary of of his entire pontificate.

SPEAKER_02 52:01

So um, did you have anything highlighted before paragraph four?

SPEAKER_00 52:07

Yes, uh no, four as in liberty of conscience.

SPEAKER_02 52:12

Like once you get to paragraph four. I mean, I just I didn't want to highlight the in I didn't want to just read the entire encyclical, because I may take too much time, but there's just so much in here.

SPEAKER_00 52:21

So I on in paragraph three, I highlighted highlighted this the section of liberty of conscience. So it says, uh, for you all know, venerable bet brethren, that at this time men are found not a few who applying to civil society the impious and absurd principle of naturalism, as they call it, dare to teach that the best constitution of public society and also civic progress altogether require that human society be conducted and governed without regard being had to religion any more than if it had did not exist, or at least without any distinction being made between the true religion and false ones.

SPEAKER_02 52:58

That's like then I I could read that whole paragraph. Yeah, that you really you really it's like uh he goes down, he says that liberty of conscience and worship is each man's personal right, which ought to be legally proclaimed and asserted in every rightly constituted society, and that a right resides in the citizens to an absolute liberty, which should be restrained by no authority, whether ecclesiastical or civil, whereby they may be openly and publicly to manifest and declare any of their ideas, whatever, either by word of mouth, by the press, or in any other way. But while they've rashly affirmed this, they do not think and consider that they are preaching liberty of perdition. Like he's like, you people, you think you're preaching liberty of conscience, you're just going to hell, right? Like that's what he's saying. You just you want the liberty to damn your souls, and that if human arguments are always allowed free room for discussion, there will never be wanting men who will dare to resist truth and to trust in the flowing speech of human wisdom. Whereas we know from the very teaching of our Lord Jesus Christ how carefully Christian faith and wisdom should avoid this most injurious babbling. Man, he's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 54:05

Like the like the whole idea of uh of uh like a free, like a uh a free market of ideals. He's like, No, it's all just injurious babbling.

SPEAKER_02 54:15

Yeah, yeah, and you're going to hell. Like he's literally telling everybody you're going to hell. And since where religion has been removed from the civil society and the doctrine and authority of divine revelation repudiated, the genuine notion itself of justice and human right is darkened and lost, and uh, and the place of the of true justice and legitimate right is supplied by material force, thence it appears why it why it is that some utterly neglecting and regarding the surest principles of sound reason dare to proclaim that the people's will manifested by what is called public opinion or in some other way constitute a supreme law free of all divine and human control, and that the political order accomplished facts from the very circumstances that they are accomplished have a force of right. This is very high.

SPEAKER_00 54:59

I mean, you know, like um the idea of people voting uh laws into existence, or you know, um Congress creating laws that like two men can be married, you know, he he's he's just saying no, that uh the people's will um cannot constitute a supreme law.

SPEAKER_02 55:21

Yeah. Um, and it's it's really interesting when you get into like the understanding of like a people who were formed before this time period, you didn't need all of these laws because people were just genuinely good Christians, right? So, like you had laws for murder and things like that, but like all of the laws, think about how many laws there are like Congress was always gathering to enact new laws and new laws and new laws and they they just keep putting laws down and laws down and laws down, but it's like the the period before this, men just knew from from right reason and good conscience what to do and what not to do. Uh, this is what I highlighted. But who does not see and clearly perceive that human society, when set loose from the bonds of religion and true justice, can have in truth no other end than the purpose of obtaining and amassing wealth, and that society under such circumstances follows no other law in its actions except the unchastened desire of ministering to its own pleasures and interests? Yeah, I I had that exact paragraph highlighted there. For this reason, men of men of the kind per men of the kind pursue with bitter hatred the religious orders, although these have deserved extremely well of although these have deserved extremely well of Christendom, civilization and literature, and cry out that the same have no legitimate reason for being permitted to exist. And thus these evil men applaud the calumnies of heretics. For as Pius VI, our predecessor taught most what most wisely, the abolition

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of regulars is injurious to the state in which the evangelical councils are openly professed. It is injurious to the method of life praised in the church as agreeable to the apostolic doctrine, it is injurious to the illustrious founders themselves, whom we venerate on our altars, who did not establish these societies but God's inspirations, whereby they may openly give alms for the sake of Christian charity, and that the law should be abrogated, whereby on certain fixed days servile works are prohibited because of God's worship, and on the most deceptive pretext that the said permission and law are opposed to the principles of the best public economy. More than highlight the whole thing. Well, this this section specifically. Well, specifically because, like, we're coming up on Holy Thursday, uh not holy Thursday, um, on um uh Ascension Thursday, and it's not it's a holy day of obligation, and we have to work. And if it was a Jewish holiday, everyone would be off. But because it's ascension Thursday, the bishops today are like, oh, let's just move it to the Sunday.

SPEAKER_00 58:00

My local parish doesn't even have a mass available that day at all.

SPEAKER_02 58:03

It doesn't even, it's still a still a holy day of obligation in my diocese, but that's like a rarity these days. They just move it to the Sunday, and don't worry about it, we'll just celebrate ascension thursday on Sunday. And it's like this is what he's talking about here.

SPEAKER_00 58:16

He's like, um Yeah, the this this next section is is something that like even to our day they haven't yet fully um the liberals haven't fully gotten to, but like they're working on it.

SPEAKER_02 58:30

But they're working on it, yeah, exactly. Um uh okay, so I got through the the fixes.

SPEAKER_00 58:36

So it says moreover, not content with removing religion from public society, they wish to banish it also from private families for teaching and professing the most fatal errors of communism and socialism. They assert that domestic society or the family derives the whole principle of its existence from the civil law alone, and consequently, that on civil law alone depend all rights of parents over their children, and especially that of providing for education, by which impious opinions and machinations these most deceitful men chiefly aim at this result, that the salutary teaching and influence of the Catholic Church may be entirely banished from the instruction and education of youth, and that the tender and flexible minds of young men may be infected and depraved by every most pernicious error and vice, for all who have endeavored to throw into confusion things both sacred and secular, into subvert the right order of society, and to abolish all rights, human and divine, have always, as we above hinted, devoted all their nefarious schemes, devices, and efforts to deceiving and depraving incautious youth, and have placed all their hope in its corruption.

SPEAKER_02 59:53

This is like because you just you just don't hear the Pope talking about this anymore. I mean, we just watched Michael Hitchbourne doing a series about how Pope Francis and Leo are entertaining this like these communists in the Vatican and stuff. It's like the church has just totally let her guard down, completely dismissed the real dangers that are on our doorstep. Like the even even Leo recently talking about the um the gay issue in the church and stuff, and he's like, Well, I think that there are many other pressing issues that we really should. It's like we've never needed a pope to come out and preach to the Catholic faithful the on the dangers of sexual immorality with the with like the with the rampant usage of pornography now, like the like the even like get away from the the same-sex stuff. Just talk about like young kids being exposed to pornographic images, so much so that it's like destroying these people's lives. That we we're seeing kids are no longer getting married anymore. Like uh, if you go back even 30 years, um, like 85 percent of under 30 were married, and you're looking at it now, it's like 16 of men and 18 of women are married under 30. It is we are watching the collapse of the institution of marriage. Um, the in this encyclical, he's talking about how they're they're getting rid of um the sacrament of marriage and replacing it with civil marriage, like the idea that like you think about all of the problems we're looking at in our culture today, and they all stem from these things that the popes are warning about in this time period 150 years ago. The the the popes in in our current and like the modern popes are just freaking clueless. Like, at least John Paul II talked about this stuff a little bit, and Benedict talked about it a little bit, but like but from like Francis and Leo are just oblivious to the dangers facing our children and our family. It's like there's never been a more important time for you fathers to step up to the plate and make sure you're having the most important conversations in the world with your children. I'm telling you, I dude, I could tell you there's a story about there's did you see the story about the girl from Alabama? She was going to school down in Alabama, and she was dating some guy in a frat, and they broke up, and the guy was like showing their sex tapes to all his friends, and he was going to put them on a site. And the girl goes and confronts him, and he beats the crap out of the girl. Now the girl's from Long Island. Her father is a Long Island cop, he's a Nassau cop. He goes down to Alabama and beats the crap out of this kid. Should have killed him. Now the cop is facing assault and battery, and he's about to lose his job on Long Island. I know the family, and I'm like, on one hand, like he'd be a bad father if he didn't go and do what he did. Yeah. But on the other hand, if he was a good father, his daughter never would have ended up in that position to begin with.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:59

True, too, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:00

Like his daughter would never have ended up in that position to begin with. She's down there with frack guys doing the things that she's doing. It's like that's insane to me. That he he he'll go down and he'll beat the crap out of the guy, but like his daughter was just left totally unprepared for this. And man, I gotta be careful what I say because we're public, but the like the the family, like the mothers over there like prancing around half naked on her Instagram. It's like this is the degeneracy that is facing our children, right? And and the Pope is just, oh, we should move past these things. Let's just talk about let's talk about peace and the brotherhood of man.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:37

Men uh men really do uh fathers really have it tough when it comes to stuff like this. Like, if you do anything to try to prevent stuff like that, you're ostracized by society, right? As some over-the-top uh abusive, you know, controlling freak, basically.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:00

Um yeah, look, yeah, it's nuts. Like, what the like the pressure is at the fuck, it's just not easy to raise kids these days, man. Like the you the your phone, the kids' phones are taking control of them, they're being raised by everyone. This is what the Pope is talking about. Like, they want to and they want to trap your children from their youth. They're they're taking your children from their youth, and yeah, we're talking about programs in schools and stuff, but do you know the filth that is being taught even in Catholic schools today? Especially in Catholic schools, yeah. It's like it's no better. You think you're gonna send your kid to a Catholic school, and it's no freaking better. It is just insane what has happened, man. Um, I the the next thing I have highlighted because I didn't want to highlight the whole freaking encyclical, is down towards the bottom of paragraph five.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:47

Okay, I have the I have the top of the short portion of the top highlighted. I'll read that and then you read the bottom.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:55

Um, so this is uh church authority subverted by civil authorities. Uh, others, meanwhile, reviving the wicked and so often condemned inventions of innovators, dare with signal imprudence to subject to the will of the civil authority, the supreme authority of the church, and of this apostolic see given to her by Christ Himself, and to not to deny all those rights of the same church and see which concern matters of the external order.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:22

And just that paragraph, just like like this, this see was given by Christ Himself, right? Like the authority that the Pope spoke with back then, man. Like what you have now is like this timid, reluctant Pope.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:35

He's like he's timid and reluctant. He's like, Oh no, we don't want to offend anybody, you know. We just want, let's just just be everybody, just get along.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:43

Let's just you know, like there's nothing commanding and demanding of Christ. Like Christ is just everybody, just be nice to each other. The church of nice. I mean, I hate telling that phrase as Michael Voris coined it. It really is the church of nice, as if niceness ever saved. Anybody. I think uh Williamson said that oh let's just everybody be nice to one another. Nobody ever went to heaven because they were nice. Um, I jumped all the way down and I said, Nor can we pass over in silence the audacity of those who, enduring sound doctrine, contend without sin and without any sacrifice of the Catholic profession, assent, and concern the church's general good and her rights and discipline. So only it does not touch the dog dogmata of faith and morals, but no one can be found not clearly and

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distinctly to see and understand how grievously this is opposed to the Catholic dogma of the full power given from God by Christ, our Lord Himself, to the Roman pontiff of feeding, ruling, and guiding the universal church. Amidst, therefore, such great perversity and depraved opinions, we, while remembering our apostolic office and greatly solicitous for our most holy religion, for sound doctrine and the salvation of souls, which is entrusted to us by God and solicitous also for the welfare of human society itself, have thought it right again to raise up our apostolic voice. Therefore, by our apostolic authority, we rep we reprobate, proscribe, and condemn all the singular and evil opinions and doctrines severally mentioned in this letter, and will command that they be thoroughly held by all children of the Catholic Church as reprobated, proscribed, and condemned. Like yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:25

I had that that portion highlighted too. And the reason the question that came to my mind while reading that is does this does this part of the encyclical reach the level necessary for infallibility? Like he he is saying, uh I mean what what you just said there, we reprobate, prescribe, and connect. Like, I don't know. That almost seems that almost seems like it re it's ex-catherina.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:59

Don't don't I mean I'm not yeah, I don't know if it meant the specific things, but I mean it's just how how he would speak back then. Man, I have so I have like half of paragraph seven highlighted, I have all of paragraph eight highlighted, and then I have paragraph eleven.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:20

Um do you want to read anything before that?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:23

Yeah, wait. Nor are you all nor are you ignorant also that in this age some men are found who moved and excited by the spirit of Satan have reached to that degree of impiety as not to shrink from denying our ruler and Lord Jesus Christ and from impugning his divinity with wicked pertinacity. Here, however, we cannot but extol you, venerable brethren, with great and deserve praise for not having failed to raise with all zeal your episcopal voice against this impiety so great. Therefore, in this our letter, we again most lovingly address you, who have been called unto a part of our solicitude, are to us among our grievous distress, the greatest solace, joy, and consolation, because of the admirable religion and piety wherein you excel, and because of that marvelous love, fidelity, and dutifulness, whereby, bound as you are to us, and to this apostolic see in most harmonious affection, you strive strenuously and seduce to fulfill your most weighty episcopal ministry. For you, from for from your signal pastoral zeal, we expect that taking up the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, and strengthened by the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, you will, with redoubled care, each day more anxiously provide that the faithful entrusted to your charge abstain from noxious verbiage, which Jesus Christ does not cultivate because it is not his father's plantation.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:46

Uh, towards the end of that paragraph, I have highlighted, uh, do not fail to teach that the royal power was given not only for the governance of the world, but most of all for the protection of the church, that there is nothing which can be of greater advantage and glory to princes and kings than if, as another most wise and courageous predecessor of ours, Saint Felix, instructed the Emperor Zeno, they permit the Catholic Church to practice her laws and allow no one to oppose her liberty.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:17

Yeah, yeah. The the the last thing I I highlighted was basically paragraph 11, just because like he's yeah, I have that highlighted too. Just because even at this time, like even where we are today, this statement stands. Uh, even more. I mean, not that anything else doesn't stand, every every single thing does. Yeah, noxious verbia is a bang of plastic. Don't check that decale. That's on the decale podcast. Um, it's uh first off, just you you see the total love that the popes had for our for the blessed mother, man. Like they're just so awesome. Let us implore uh vener venerable brethren, God's mercy for our inmost heart and with our whole mind, because he has himself added, I will not remove my mercy from them. Let us ask and we will shall receive. And if there be delay and slowness, slowness in our receiving because we have gravely offended, let us knock, because to him that knocketh it shall be opened. If only the door be knocked by our prayers, groans, and tears, in which we must persist and persevere. And if that prayer be unanimous, let each man pray to God, not for himself alone, but for all his brethren, and as the Lord hath taught us to pray, but in order that God may more readily assent to the prayers and desires of ourselves, of you and all the faithful, let us with all confidence employ as our advocate with him the Immaculate and Most Holy Virgin Mary, Mother of God, who has slain all heresies throughout the world, and who, the most loving mother of us all, is all sweet, all full of mercy, shows herself to us, shows herself to all as easily entreated, shows herself to all as most merciful, pities the necessities of all with the most large affection, and standing as a queen at the right hand of her only begotten Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, in gilded clothing, surrounded with a variety, can obtain from him whatever she will. Let us also seek the suffrages of the most blessed Peter, Prince of the Apostles, and of Paul, his fellow apostle, and of all the saints in heaven. Just the love for our lady and just the trust that they put, but it goes kind of to when these men called the the sex summit, like we've talked about this before. I said if like when they called that sex summit under Francis after the McCarrick scandal, if all of those bishops had worn sackcloth and ash and begged God's forgiveness for their sins against him, the whole world would have changed overnight. We would have had a min of a moment and

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God would have granted such mercy upon us. But because these men are so hard of heart, because they double down on their sin and they try to justify the difference between consenting adults and abuse of children, and they try to downplay the severity of the sin of sodomy. All of this stuff is what is going to bring God's wrath upon us.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:19

So I think uh I think we could jump over to the syllabus of errors, which um, you know, we definitely got to cover a few of these before we jump over to Lope.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:27

There are not as many. I I don't I don't have as many highlighted as you would think.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:32

Uh, there's maybe I mean, look, the syllabus of errors is basically um uh a a list of how many are there? Um there's eighty, eighty condemned errors. The majority of those condemned errors are now held like as commonplace now.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:49

Vast majority, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:50

The vast majority of those errors that Pius the Ninth condemned are just held as commonplace in in the modern church. So I I didn't really highlight any of the syllabus of errors, but Rob did. We'll do a couple of those and then we're gonna head over to locals.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:04

Um, so just for anyone watching, these are error, these are um, yeah, these are statements that are condemned. So they will read as a positive. Like you'll see what I mean as I read it, but keep in mind that Pies is condemning these ideas. So the first one I have highlighted is number three. Human reason, without any reference whatsoever to God, is the sole arbiter of truth and falsehood, and of good of good and evil, it is law to itself and suffices by its natural force to secure the welfare of men and nations. So that's condemned. Um number five, divine revelation is imperfect, and therefore is subject to a continual and indefinite progress corresponding with the advancement of human reason. That's one that the liberals in the church today seem to hold to, right? That it even uh even divine revelation progresses. Uh 12.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:06

The decrees of the apostolic see and Roman congregations impede the true progress of science. How often do you hear that? Oh, Galileo, shut up with Galileo. Galileo is a moron and he was wronged.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:18

Well, and and 13 is is right along there, too. The method and principles by which the old scholastic doctors cultivated theology are no longer suitable to the demands of our times and to the progress of the sciences.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:31

Um philosophy is to be treated without taking any account of supernatural revelation. Like, think about all of the different philosophies that come about that they do not take like philosophy is supposed to be the handmade of theology. Yeah, like they have to go hand in hand. Awesome show, boys. Appreciate what you guys do. My grandma passed away this morning, who is like a second mom. If you could please uh pray for the repose of her soul. Uh, of course, Matthew. Um, Matthew, I I I um Matthew's coming to Italy with me, and yeah, I've had some really good conversations with Matthew. Um, looking forward to meeting him and his wife. Um, there's tons of stuff on socialism and communism, secret societies.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:11

Um, indifferent. I there's a few really good ones on indifferentism and false tolerance. So every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which God by the light of reason he shall can he shall consider true. I mean, that's the popes have been saying, I mean, that's Vatican II almost is that yeah, you know, and that's that's condemned. Um man may, in the observance of any religion whatever, find the way of eternal salvation and arrive at eternal salvation. Man, I mean different religions are just different languages to God. Um, this one of Bishop Barron, Bishop Barron. If you're listening, it is condemned that good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true church of Christ. Um, number 18, Protestantism is nothing more than another form of the same true Christian religion, in which form it is given to please God equally as in the Catholic Church. Then I don't have one highlight. I just wish, I just wish, I wish the look.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:19

The thing

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is, you had a pope who spoke like this, you had the liturgy intact, you had all of this, and it still could not hold back the forces we are dealing with today. Like that is that is something that everybody because so many of us think, oh, the council, the council, it wasn't just the council, like all of this stuff is building within the church, these are movements within the church, these are priests within the church, yeah, all talking about these things, and the pope has to correct his own priests and say, No, this stuff is because this evil is infected. Look, you said it last episode. It's like you know, you you look back to like uh Marshall's thesis, infiltration. It's you really do have to go back that far and see that this stuff started back then and there was an infiltration. It's like it's the same thing that's happening in our nations with illegal immigration. You're flooding the nation with all these foreigners, and what we what happened was in the church, you flooded the church with these heretics, and they slowly infected the minds of the faithful with their perverse ideas. This is why there used to be a freaking Inquisition to stomp these ideas out because they knew they would infect the minds of the people. And once the printing press is invented, it's kind of like a wildfire that the church just can't contain anymore because this goes quickly in a pamphlet, and you can just get these ideas out, and you know, and people, man, people think they want to be freed from the yoke of the oppressive church, and it just leads to misery. Like, only those of us who have eyes of faith see this stuff as beautiful, right? And we long for the yoke of the church. Like, we're like, please bring it back because we know it's for the good of society. Like, you need the eyes of faith to see this. But if you're a non-believer and you have the church telling you you can't do that, these people all just wanted to go out and have sex with whoever they wanted to. That's all it really comes down to. They all just wanted to go and do what they wanted, they didn't want the stupid church telling them what they could and couldn't do in the bedroom.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:20

So long about that. You really see like the the church struggle to impose um impose and restrain the stuff when when the secular powers stopped cooperating, you know, at the time of the the the Protestant revolt, right? And because the the Protestant revolt only happens when it does, and not a hundred or two hundred years earlier, because the German princes wanted to be free of Rome at that point. Yeah, you know, because because like the what what Luther was teaching wasn't a ton different than what you know Jan Hoos was teaching, or what what um Tin or uh what is it, Tyndale, and and and you know, there there were other uh proto-protestant um heretics before Luther, but the state, the the different Catholic states at the time kept them under control, you know. It was Luther was able to find a prince that was that was willing to protect him.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:22

It really does show you how miraculous the Catholic faith and church was to begin with, right? Because men's instinct is to be freed from oh, don't tell me what to do, don't tell me what to do. It really took a like a ridiculous miracle to to like to civilize man, like men are uncivil, men by nature just want to go and sin. And there was something like God's spirit really covered the earth and civilized human beings for like a majority of the the known world at the time, wherever that cross was raised, freaking men just like all right, we won't have nine wives anymore, we'll have one wife, you know. And for the most part, it worked for over a thousand years, and it wasn't until the Protestant Reformation that you see this stuff break apart, really was a really miraculous thing when you look to those early centuries in the church, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:25

Yeah, so um the next couple are all about uh public schools.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:31

Actually, I actually have to take this phone call.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:34

Okay, so I will I will read through some while you're on the phone. Okay, you here, I'll remove you from screen. Okay, so uh number 45. Um, it is condemned that the entire government of public schools in which the youth of a Christian state is educated, um, may and ought are you back already?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:57

It was my uncle I had to take it. Sorry. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:00

Um, so basically condemned that the entire government of public schools uh may and ought to appertain to the civil power and belong to it so far that no other authority shall be recognized as having any right to interfere in the discipline of the schools and arrangement of the studies. Um, blah blah blah. Um it's condemned that the best theory of civil society requires that public schools be open to children of every class of the people, and generally all public institutes intended for instruction um should be freed from all ecclesial uh ecclesiastical authority. Um kind of paraphrasing them here. Um it's condemned that Catholics may approve of the system of educating youth unconnected with Catholic faith in the power of the church, in which regards the knowledge of merely natural things, uh, and only or at least primarily the I mean number 48 condemns the idea of Catholics putting their kids in public schools almost entirely.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:00

I mean, I got that was the one thing I got chewed out by a priest for one time was like I got chewed out by a priest for letting my kids be in public school.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:10

No, I mean, you know, that was 150 years ago. This day and age, like putting them in the Catholic school isn't gonna help for the most part.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:20

Yeah. Well, that was that was kind of my rebuttal to the pre. I was like, well, unless I homeschool my my kid, I was like, uh you know, the Catholic school ain't much better, I gotta be honest with you. But all right, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna wrap this one. We're gonna head over to locals. What's the next encyclical, Rob? Do you know of the answer to the homework?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:36

Um okay, I'm gonna give you two, and I need you to decide. Um it's either gonna be quad uh apostolici moneris, which is um on socialism, it's an early critique of socialism and conism, communism. It's often called an early building block of modern Catholic social teaching, um, and it is seen as leading to rare navarum, so there's that one, or it would be attorney patras, which is on the restoration of Christian philosophy. Let's do attorney patras. Well, I was gonna say if we don't do if we if we do quad uh apostolici moneris, we would still do attorney patras after. So it depends if you really want to do that one or not.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:25

I say we just jump into attorney patras. Like, I just think that's a good thing. We can't hit all of these, or this is gonna be a long series. But what's the time period we're looking at? What is that time? What is that time period?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:35

Um, fall of 1879, so it's 15 years after this.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:39

What year is Vatican I?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:40

Vatican one is 1870, so it's it's um Vatican one happens, you know, five, six years after this, and attorney patras happens 10 years after Vatican I.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:50

Okay, I want some historical context of Vatican I, what kind of leads to the events of Vatican One and kind of like why it gets left off and not actually closed, right? Because there's yeah, yeah, like the there's things that happen at Vatican I that they don't actually close the council, so they officially closed Vatican I at the beginning of Vatican II. So that's the time period we're gonna be going into. Um, and yeah, and we're working our way into the 20th century, especially, man. Like, I'm like really interested to see how the 1900s start to work out and see the see this time period. So, Leo the 13th, man, he's next up, and there's a lot to get to with Leo the 13th. We want Rare and Rivarum to be kind of like a a high point of the series, so we're not gonna get there just yet. We're gonna do one or two more at least before we get there.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:39

Question. Um, and they're not encyclicals, but would we want to do

Schools Formation And Modern Parallels

SPEAKER_00 1:25:45

an episode in the series on the Vatican One documents?

SPEAKER_02 1:25:48

You guys want us to just do Vatican One next week? I mean, there's a lot, there's gonna be a lot more documents there than just an encyclical, but we could do a historical summary and I mean because the big the big historical summary you give the election of Pope Leo the third, you give the election of Pope Leo the Thirteenth. We'll we'll give the historical context of Vatican I and we'll let's definitely do that. Yeah, let's go through some of the stuff in Vatican I, some of the highlights of Vatican I. Like we'll get into papal supremacy, and we'll get into um uh per the perpet perpetuity of the chair of peter because that's a hard one for Cedees to answer, man. Yeah, like part of Vatican I they could talk about all the you know all the things, but it's like there's perpetuity of the chair of Peter that he will have successors. In perpetuity, let's do that. Pastor Eternus is the big uh but that's after Vatican I, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:26:46

No, Pastor Eternus is the big papal infallibility document of Vatican I, right? So let's do that. Uh yeah, we uh okay, we'll do Vatican I next Tuesday. Let's do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:58

Okay, yeah, let's do Vatican I. All right, so everybody, yeah, everybody's saying they kind of want to they want to learn more about Vatican I. Yeah, because that dude, everybody talks about Vatican II, but like Vatican I like kind of sets the stage for all this stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:12

Um, and Vatican I is kind of the victory of the Ultramontanes like Lamanay, yeah, over the Gallicans. But you know, not all of the Ultramontanes were liberals like Lamanay. You know, because you had manning was ultramontane, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:34

And he's English, but you have Henry John Henry Newman, who he still voted for the documents of Vatican I, but he was I may read a little bit of Newman because I've never really read Newman. I've never read I picked Manning over Newman any day for for canonization. I picked Cardinal Manning over Newman, if you're gonna ask me. But yeah, pastor. Uh Pastor Eternus is pretty quick, so we can definitely do that. All right, so let's do Vatican I next episode. Let's just do let's just do a deep dive into Vatican I. Okay. And then, okay, so listen, this Thursday is a holy day of obligation for me. I'm not where I and the only mass I can make it to is 7 p.m. And it's like an hour away. So um I think that we're gonna skip the Thursday show, but Leo's dropping his first encyclical Friday. So I think we're just gonna push Thursday show to Saturday. That's I think that's the plan right now. So no show Thursday, and we'll push it to Saturday.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:32

Yeah, it would have to be Saturday evening because I'm busy all day. Me too.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:36

Yeah, I'm getting my boat all prepared. I'm going my first boat day on Saturday.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:40

But Friday night, I should be able to prepare.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:42

Prepare and I'll I'll be able to read it Friday night as I'm writing stuff.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:48

Modern and cyclicals aren't like what we've got.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:51

It's gonna be they're not 15 paragraphs. Can you send can you send it through the AI to give me a summary?

SPEAKER_00 1:28:56

Yeah, if there's if if they have a PDF version published, I can do that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:00

All right, so that's the plan. Right now, we're gonna go over. We got to discuss Pelican. Uh man.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:07

Yes, we are going over to locals.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:09

Going over to locals, yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:10

Let me get the link for everyone. Going over to locals, and uh, yeah, man. This is while I do that. You want to tell everyone about locals in case they're new?

SPEAKER_02 1:29:18

Locals is the best way to support our show. It's five bucks a month. And to be honest, if you guys get in now, might be a good idea. That's what I'm saying. Rob and I have been talking.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:28

No, not like we're talking about Pelican.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:30

No, no, no. We're not leaving anywhere, but like, you know, we're we're we're struggling these days, guys. But no, nothing yet, no announcements or anything yet. But we're doing

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SPEAKER_02 1:29:40

locals. Locals is the best way to support the show. Uh, we do pretty much uh two locals episodes a week, and we give you guys some behind-the-scenes stuff. We usually do a little bit of gossip, a little bit of drama, and then stuff we can't really talk about on YouTube. Tonight we're gonna do pelican because we got to discuss that because the dance evidence stuff is just out of control. Uh, and I have dude, I also have um I have the Bishop Sheen 1947 address loaded if we want to do that. Or we have a John Deloney clip that I we could do that, then just discuss modern marriage and just women working. Uh either way, that's what we're gonna do on locals tonight. So we have some gossip and then we'll and then we'll discuss modern women working. Yeah. So that's the plan. Come over to locals, take us out, Rob. Hold on, hold on. Well, you got something special.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:34

Where else are you guys really think I'm not slightly autistic?

SPEAKER_02 1:30:38

No, you're not autistic. Melancholic, not autistic.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:46

Yeah, but yet at the same time, you haven't been on one of our gun shows. I'm a little autistic when it comes to the nah, you're just a nerd.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:52

It's all right. You're a gun nerd, that's different.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:56

Paul, Paul is aching at the bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:59

Let's start with the pelican drama. We'll do the pelican drama. Oh, wait, no, Deloney. Now I'm doing Deloney just to annoy you, Benjamin. I'm dude. I I forgot how much I missed Deloney during during my uh Linton hiatus because man, this guy pisses me off. He's he's my one guilty pleasure. I love to be angry at him.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:21

Oh can't wait. Can't wait for Deloney.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:24

Um, that's a good uh suggestion. Read Unum Sanctum in the Pastor Eternus episode. Because Pastor Eternus is short.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:33

Isn't Unum the Bowl Unum Sanctum from 1302?

SPEAKER_02 1:31:44

The thing is, like, I'm learning a lot of stuff. Like forcing me to read these for the show is really cool, man. Like, I don't know. There look, so some some some parts might be a little slow until we get into the rhythm, but especially when we're getting into the encyclicals, they're real like and and knowing the historical context is really freaking cool to learn. So like I said, I hope you guys are enjoying this. It's totally different from anything we've done in a while. If you are, there's a donate button on our website because this show is gonna get about 2,000 views.com. Yeah, this show is gonna get about 2,000 views, and we don't care. Like, we would rather give we would rather give something of substance to you guys for a while, and we'll see how the series goes, and then we'll find something else to do. Because uh, yeah, it was getting like uh you know, there's only so much you can talk about the Jews. Uh, but we're gonna do Leo's new encyclical Saturday. Then Rob, uh, we'll do another episode Tuesday, and then Rob's going away for a week, so I'll have two guest hosts in. Uh with I'm thinking Brian Holdsworth, maybe one episode, and then uh, I don't know, I gotta get somebody else for the second. So that's the plan. We'll see. Maybe I'll have somebody on a fight with them. But all right, take us out, Rob. Let's go do some gossip on locals.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:01

All right.