Government Officials Warned Pastors: Alien Disclosure is Coming w/ Daniel O'Connor & Joshua Charles

The strangest part of the UAP “disclosure” wave is not a blurry video or a leaked memo. It’s the insistence that what’s coming will “rewrite history,” redefine our place in the cosmos, and trigger a new kind of spiritual awakening. When the Pentagon, politicians, and the media ecosystem all amplify that same promise, we think the real question becomes: what story are we being trained to accept?

We dig into the latest disclosure chatter, the pastors-briefing rumors, and why we expect a controlled drip rather than a single moment of proof. From there we zero in on David Grusch, the way he frames “non-human intelligence,” and why the Catholic angle matters. If the narrative implies humanity is not the crown of creation, it presses directly on the Incarnation, on Christology, and on what Christians mean by revelation. That’s why we keep returning to spiritual warfare, discernment, and the possibility that “disclosure” functions as a religious psyop even if the underlying phenomenon is mundane, classified tech, or outright deception.

We also zoom out to the long view: 1947 and the modern UFO wave, the decline of Christendom, occult and Freemasonic counter-stories about “restoring” an original religion, and the way AI and technocratic promises mimic salvation language. We end with the only response that holds up under pressure: stay grounded in the sacraments, refuse seductive framing, and don’t hand your theology over to the people selling you a managed apocalypse.

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Transcript

Cold Open And Setup

SPEAKER_05 0:17

FBI, we need to speak to you.

SPEAKER_07 0:48

Tell me it's a very serious topic.

SPEAKER_03 0:50

You weren't supposed to know that's what I do. I thought I kept that secret well enough.

SPEAKER_10 0:55

I love Jimmy for the record. I think he's wrong on this, but that you never know what's gonna happen with AI intros.

SPEAKER_06 1:02

I love that we use AI to make an intro on shows Daniel O'Connor's on. Of course. You gotta see this. You gotta harass me with something.

SPEAKER_07 1:15

Well, okay, well, I have to give everybody a tiny bit of backstory. So I uh all right, so Rob and I are doing this series where we're going through history from the papal perspective, going through papal encyclicals, and we're trying to give a historical context for it. We did our first episode Tuesday, it went really well, but Thursday nights we're gonna keep open to do like topical things. And this like this morning I'm scrambling looking for something, not knowing what I want to do, and my feed is just flooded with this disclosure garbage. And I'm like, Rob, we're gonna have to do disclosure. He goes, Well, why don't you text Josh and Daniel and see if either of them can come on? So I texted both of them. Daniel was up till three in the morning last night, so he slept late. And Josh is on the on the West Coast, so he didn't respond right over. And then Josh responds first, and he says, Uh, I'm busy tonight. I have uh he was doing something for his, you know, his um uh Substack. I said, Okay, no problem. I'll text Daniel. He's smarter and doesn't get distracted by the chat, so that'll be better. And 30 seconds later, my phone rang. He's like, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_02 2:21

No, and uh it the Daniel, the only part I was bothered by was his continuing to complain about it. He is such a woman, he acts like he's like this my machismo Italian, he's a woman, he never lets it go.

SPEAKER_03 2:35

I didn't even know we've got to be a good one. How do you do that?

SPEAKER_10 2:39

Men suck at plenty of things, but women suck at them.

SPEAKER_03 2:41

So it's a good thing I don't know how to. I'd be more womanly distracted by it.

SPEAKER_07 2:46

I I knew if I poked at Josh's ego a little bit and said Daniel was better for this topic, you'd want to come on. So but no, they were able to pull it off the whole, but both of you were able to come on. Now I know you guys actually have a show scheduled for Monday, right?

SPEAKER_04 3:00

Yeah, yes, sir.

Pastors Briefing Rumors And Files

SPEAKER_07 3:01

Okay, so you guys are gonna be doing your own thing next week, but I think the just the way the things were coming down the pike, like today, especially we just got this, we got we we kind of turkled out this weird story that pastors were brought together to discuss this topic by U.S. officials, and there was so much misinformation about that meeting that was going around. And then, like a bunch of the pastors that came out and said it then started backtracking about what they were saying. And it does seem like uh they had a a briefing in the Pentagon today at 3 p.m. And then tomorrow the first set of files will be released. Now I'm at man, because you see some of the corny evangelical reactions to this stuff, and you kind of don't want to fall into that camp. I'm I'm curious how both of you think this is going to come. Like, do you do you think this is going to actually like shape the faith of people right away? Do you think this is gonna be like a slow trickle where it's I mean, it just seems like they've been doing this to us for so long that I'm not even confident we're gonna get anything tomorrow that is gonna be out that crazy.

SPEAKER_04 4:06

Every promise and prediction they make winds up failing, certainly. The the overall uh but the overall trend is certainly towards this this disclosure, as you say, garbage. But um, you know, what what'll happen tomorrow, we'll have to wait and see. But I I don't think we're gonna get anything massive that quickly. What do you think, John?

SPEAKER_02 4:26

Yeah, it it I think it's gonna trickle out. Um, by the way, I'm honored to finally be on with Daniel. Daniel and I have become friends over the last few years. And um, you know, I the one point I want to make at the beginning is there are many people who would say nothing ever happens. I just don't think that's true with regard to this issue. Um, if you look at the history of this topic, which by the way, I wasn't even interested in until 2020 with COVID and some things I discovered during that time. It was never on my radar. Um, a lot of unprecedented things have happened with regard to this topic since particularly 2017, I think it was, Daniel, with uh the New York Times article, right? December, November 2017 about the ATIP Offsap program or whatever it was in the Pentagon that was looking into these things that they, you know, got some sources for. But at the very least, here's what is happening. We'll talk about what we actually think is happening. But here is what is happening for the people who say nothing ever happens. What's happening is the entire political industry media industrial complex wants you to think something is happening. That's at the very least what's happening. And that's very, very concerning. It's like we all went through COVID. The whole reason this issue got on my radar was because of COVID and the utterly anti-christic things we were seeing in 2020. So, no, something very definitely is happening. The the age of disclosure, uh, that documentary that came out late last year. I was telling people about it roughly a year or so before it came out, so was Daniel. And the reason why is because we were cued into this issue, and and um they uh they got uh uh you know multiple officials, high officials, directors of national intelligence. That's a cabinet level position, James Clapper in this particular case, Marco Rubio, our current Secretary of State, then Senator, now National Security Advisor, Kristen Gillibrand, Senator from New York. I mean, they got multiple bipartisan people uh to say on camera things that just a few years ago would have been considered crazy kooky tinfoil nonsense. So, no, there absolutely is something happening. Now, that doesn't mean that there are actual aliens. I don't believe there are. Daniel doesn't believe there are, but there is an entire complex that we saw activated in 2020, and that complex is absolutely behind something going on here. They want you to believe something, and I don't think that can be ignored.

SPEAKER_07 6:45

I I want to say real quick, um, behind the scenes, uh uh I've so Josh and I have been talking behind the scenes for several years now, and before this uh latest election in 2024, when Trump ran again, like Josh was already hinting around to me. He's like, Yeah, I I have a feeling. Well, first off, he called Trump's election win, like while Biden was president. He was like, This whole thing is he's like just the way it all happened, he kind of just trump's gonna win the second time, it's gonna be this whole dramatic thing. Trump's going to be the president of disclosure. Like, this is stuff you were talking to me about long before it was even on anybody's radar or anything like that. So it was, you know, you've been Trump specific stuff.

SPEAKER_02 7:31

Daniel's been very much ahead on this issue, to be clear, but but yeah, yeah, but Daniel's been pretty public uh about his.

SPEAKER_07 7:39

Yeah, you you've been pretty guarded about what you said publicly. So I wanted to jump into that a little bit. Like, what what what what why were you hesitant to say some of the stuff you were saying that you think like you would say it behind closed doors, but you were like, eh, I don't know if I'm ready to come out talking about this stuff yet.

Who David Grusch Is

SPEAKER_02 7:55

Sure. Well, I I hinted at it publicly. Um, but part of it was just honestly my hesitation with, you know, I didn't vote for Trump in 2020 or 2024. Um, I don't think people who disagree with me are nuts. I didn't vote for a Democrat as currently constituted and as probably constituted for the rest of my life. I never see myself voting for a Democrat ever. So I didn't vote for president or vice president in 2020 or 2024. And there's many, many reasons for that. But if I could distill it all to one, it's that what happened during COVID was utterly and completely antichristic, particularly the bringing of the public sacrifice of the mass to an end on most parts of this planet. That's factually as close as we'll get to an event that the fathers unanimously say antichrist will do. And when the fathers are unanimous, the theologians generally interpret as a moral unanimity, not necessarily a mathematical unanimity, but on this topic, they are mathematically unanimous. I have I've been searching this for nine years. I've yet to find a single father who did not think that antichrist would bring public worship, which was the Mass, because this goes back to Daniel 7 and what and nine and whatnot, uh, will bring it to an end for three and a half years. Obviously, what happened in 2020 was not for three and a half years. It was more like three and a half months, which is kind of interesting. But but what happened under Trump's watch, under the watch of Pope Francis? Lot of priests were involved here too. So I'm not trying to get priests off the hook either. Um, but Trump was the most powerful temporal ruler in the world. All these governments seemed to be largely in sync on this crazy agenda that now most people recognize was completely nuts. And so, no, I concluded, there's other reasons for it, but just to keep it short and so we can get to Daniel and other people, I concluded that whatever, whatever whoever Trump was, whether it was purposeful or not, he was absolutely involved in an antichristic agenda of some kind. Um, it related to my research into Freemasonry, which made me put aliens on my quote-unquote aliens on my radar for the very first time. And and so I concluded right after the January 6th stuff, which my former boss, Vice President Pence, was obviously played a role in that. Um I I believe that Trump would come back. There were there were three there were three broad predictions I made to friends privately, and part of the reason I didn't say was honestly, I could have been wrong. And I think I think to be in a situation, and so I felt like and I Daniel, I told Daniel the same thing, at least in 2024, about Trump. Like, I'm not voting for I think there's there's something here, and this is all a game. This all feels very, very much like a game where no matter what side we choose, I mean, the Republican Party right now is the Democrats 10, 15 years ago, at best. At best, maybe worse. And so the three broad categories of prediction I made with respect to Trump was he'd be re-elected. This was as early as 2021. There's something very strange going on with the state of Israel. There's a lot of messy, literally messianic fervor around Trump. The fathers are also unanimous, mathematically in this case, not just morally, that the Jews will receive Antichrist as Messiah. Then they'll convert. So that's a good thing, right? But Antichrist will be a false Jewish Messiah. Most Christians know Antichrist is a false prophet for some sort of world religion. They don't know of the unanimity among the fathers that he will also be a false Jewish Messiah, per our Lord's prophecies, other aspects of scripture. So though, so re-elected, something messianic related to Jewish expectations. There's all sorts of evidence for that. Um, and then the third one was disclosure. I became convinced he'd be the president that would be behind disclosure. Now we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. You know, we thought he'd disclose in Epstein. We thought he'd disclose on Kennedy. You know, who so who knows? It could be wrong, but at least as of now, things seem to be shaping up that way because again, whatever the agenda Trump was a part of in 2020, knowingly or not, it was the most in-your-face anti-Christic agenda we've seen in history, I would argue.

SPEAKER_07 11:51

Rob, I want you to bring up, I put a clip in there. It says uh David Grush mentions Paul Thigpin. That's how I labeled it. I want you to bring that up. So, and then I want to go into what we think this thing, what the what we what we think these things are, because David Grush mentions uh he that he's Catholic. Can you say who David Grush is? I don't know the audience.

SPEAKER_06 12:13

I don't know who he is.

SPEAKER_07 12:14

Well, okay. I I don't I you probably you guys will know way more background on him than I would.

SPEAKER_02 12:19

David David Grush was involved with giving the presidential daily brief, which is like the highest level of presidential intelligence, you know, briefing. And so he had access to all the special access pro or most of them. And so he he's commonly called a whistleblower. He's technically not a whistleblower legally, but he has gone under oath in some of these congressional hearings. There have now been two, Daniel, two, two congressional hearings, I believe. At least he was in one of them. That's another thing that's been totally different since this topic was inaugurated 80 years ago. There have never been public congressional hearings with people under oath. So Grush has been saying that essentially there's this reverse engineering program that has been going anyway. So that's who David Grush is.

SPEAKER_04 12:58

All right, Rob, let's play the clip of the video. And I haven't even had a chance to watch this little thing yet.

SPEAKER_07 13:04

So I got a I got a bunch of really interesting stuff that we could go through that I'm really interested to hear both of your feedback on. But yeah, Daniel, I'm gonna cue you up right after this because you uh well, all right. Let's play the clip.

SPEAKER_04 13:16

I've been I've been dreading this one for a day now. Let's see it.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

In the news, you're seeing a lot of talk about demons and other things like that. You know, vice president Vance has mentioned that. Uh, my friend Dean Tunker Carlson has also said that too, and I've had private conversations with him about that. And I do want to address that really quickly, uh, both as an intel officer, a guy who studied physics, um, a practicing Roman Catholic like Secretary Rubio and Vice President Vance. I I respect uh those views, the spirituality and demonic deception. And I think we should be concerned about that, but I think it's theologically premature without knowing everything, um, you know, equating everything to the demons because God has created this wonderful, visible and in you know, invisible order. He's created humans, animals, uh, angels, and other you know, types of non-human intelligence. And I don't think us as humans, we understand all of God's creation to kind of use a um, you know, theological kind of um framework on that. And I think that everybody needs to keep that in mind to be respectful of that. And the Catholic Church certainly has a long history in this. And there are Catholic theologians like the late Dr. Paul Fitken, uh, Dr. Diana Pasulka at University of North Carolina, Dr. Brent Robinson at Notre Dame. Um, they've provided a lot of that analysis and and and theological interpretation on how people can view this. So uh I see that as a big uh impasse, certainly uh because of uh the commentary that I'm hearing about that kind of thing. It's a very it's a very dangerous language, and I think we need to be more thoughtful about that. Um just happy I'm gonna make more.

SPEAKER_07 14:55

I just wanted to I wanted to jump in here real quick. So, all right. So the thing is, I I kind of don't like just going, well, they're demons with that and like brushing everything under oh, they're just demons either. I I and I do want to know what especially you, Daniel, what you think of this. Because if you like if you go to the book of Enoch, and the book of Enoch, it talks a lot about like the like the angels reproducing, like there's a lot of like weird stuff going on in the book of Enoch. I know it's not scripture, but is do and and it also talks about like things in the end will be as bad as they were in the days of Noah. Like, do you think there's any aspect where they are trying to play around with like I don't know, like some kind of uh what do you call those?

SPEAKER_04 15:44

That's big in the evangelical circles that they they're they're trying to create a new species that the abduction is.

SPEAKER_07 15:49

Yeah, I keep hearing stuff like that. Like, do you think this I don't believe in any of that?

SPEAKER_04 15:53

No, I I don't. I'm sorry I'm boring on this, but I I'm I'm completely with the the kind of boring normal Catholic explanation of the Nephilim, and and I don't put much stock in anything in the book of Enoch. Um, you know, it's obviously the the early Christians were well aware of it, but I think there's also plenty of diabolical deception in it. Um I think that's why it's not in the canon. But anyway, uh the Nephilim, you know, there's all sorts of theories on that.

SPEAKER_07 16:17

I the the the kind of I think incubus, incubi and succubuses, like incubus, like succubus demons, those are definitely real.

Nephilim Talk And Psyop Claims

SPEAKER_04 16:25

And you know, Father Rippiger has spoken very well on those, but those um encounters could never possibly result in an actual offspring. Those encounters are all um, you know, sure, the demons can temporarily assume a corporeal form, but it doesn't persevere and it can't produce the physical offspring like that. So with the when it comes to the the hybrid stuff and the Nephilim and Enoch, I I really just I don't really buy any. I've got a I've got an appendix on it in my big, huge, massive reference work on it, and I quote Scott Hahn extensively on that. I think he gave basically the right take on the Nephilim. I think it's symbolic of the offspring of Seth versus uh Cain who weren't perioded to intermarry, and and I think I do believe they were giants, absolutely. I believe what everything the Bible says. Um I think that's literal, but these were giants who were just men. Like they were giant men, like like Goliath was a giant also, even after the flood. So I, you know, I'll say I'll say that thing that you don't like to hear. It is it's just demons. It is just demons.

SPEAKER_07 17:20

No, I don't mean that. I don't I don't like to say it's just demons, I think there's so much government psyop going on along the streets.

SPEAKER_04 17:26

Yeah, it's like it's not just demons, sorry. It's not just demons and it's government psy-op. And there's definitely, yeah, there's definitely secret government tech, of course there is, and I'm sure they'll uh release some of the tech that they themselves have designed, and and as Josh just said, maybe with demonic uh help, which is definitely a real thing. There could well be that. Um and I think they will probably disclose some of that and claim it's extraterrestrial. But I'll still stick with my challenge that I gave probably a year or two ago. I said anybody who claims I know this won't no one will take me up on it, although I'd be happy if anyone did. Any uh any UFologist or anybody out there who claims they've got indestructible UFO tech, bring it to my garage. We'll live stream the event together. If I can't destroy it in five minutes with my basic tools, okay, you're right. There's aliens. Yeah, but I know I can destroy any intellectual with my hand with my tools.

SPEAKER_07 18:24

Even someone like Brett Weinstein or Weinstein, whatever his name is, he's kind of like it's so crazy how the only people who are bringing you this disclosure stuff are these government people who are very involved with the intel agencies and podcasters. Like, there's not any like well-known scientists being brought in or physicists being brought in to see these craft that defy the laws of physics. So there's no way for them to actually prove that anything's defying the laws of physics. I think we're at a state in time right now where illusions can be crafted, right? Between AI and and all the different technologies they have, even things that could probably trick radar screens into thinking something's there that's not really there. Like every single video they show us is such a grainy piece of garbage. It looks like it was filmed in 1950. It's like we have such great film technology. Why don't we have a clear video of something at this point? I mean, it's just absurd the stuff that they try to pass off as alien technology to us.

SPEAKER_04 19:21

Yeah, we'll never get we'll never get actual, uh actually convincing evidence, but we will be given enough so-called evidence to convince those who want to be convinced. As St. Augustine said, he was commenting on Second Thessalonians. He said, the strong delusion uh seduces all those who deserve to be seduced. Why? Because they love not the truth. And we've already had the love not the truth thing going on for a long time now in modern society. So the strong delusion comes by the way of God's permissive will. He doesn't affirmatively want it, of course, but he allows it as he allows everything for a good reason. And it's a punishment for the great apostasy that we've been in for so long now.

Binding And Loosing Across History

SPEAKER_07 19:55

Yeah, yeah, that's something we've talked about, which me and Josh have talked about multiple many times. But now, Josh, you've talked about also the binding and the loosing of demons a ton with us, right? Do you think a lot of the stuff that we're seeing today has anything to do with the loosing, loosening of the demons from the abyss? Like, do you think these encounters are happening more frequently because of the time we're in and there's just yeah, wings of demonic activity?

SPEAKER_02 20:24

Before I forget, um, Grush had mentioned Paul Thigpen, Dr. Paul Thigpen, who's a really good man, by the way, a convert from Protestantism. Um I was really inspired by his conversion story on the journey home, I believe. He and Daniel disagreed. I'm I'm much, much more with Daniel on this issue. However, Daniel, and I think I told you this in private, this is unfortunate, you know, because he died just a few months ago. So God rest his soul. But but Paul had agreed to come on our podcast to talk about this issue. I was gonna finish his book and you know, on aliens, on UAP, whatever, and we were gonna talk about it. And I said, Would you be open to eventually having a discussion on the podcast with Daniel? And he said, Yes. He was open, he as of then he was still open to that possibility. So it's it's really unfortunate we weren't able to have that. So so I as Daniel always take that back.

SPEAKER_04 21:17

Okay, because yeah, I was I've always been open to that. I always said multiple times even to other channels as well who invited both of us on. Yeah, and I'll I'll be friendly, I promise it won't be an angry debate. We'll just talk about it. But yeah, it never happened, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_02 21:29

So yeah, we'll hopefully get to interact with some of his books on this. But no, as far as the binding and loosing, yeah, this is this is core to my own theory of history, which of course is really not my own. It's drawing from far greaters than myself, you know, Augustine, other fathers, Aquinas, whatever, but trying to synthesize it all. Um, namely, that if you look at Apocalypse 20, it's a grand narrative of history. The opening book end is that this great dragon is bound, the closing book end is that he's briefly released. This brings the upon the return of Christ. And so, so yeah, we are assured that um toward the end, the demonic will be unleashed in a new way. Now, what's so interesting about this is somebody who came at this whole issue by reading The Fathers and by studying Freemasonry is the Fathers are full of stories. We've talked about this a lot on your channel, so I won't go into it too much, but full of stories of uh demons being utterly frightened by the sign of the cross or the Eucharist or by relics, which shocked the you know what out of me as a Protestant, because I thought relics were pagan, right? As a Protestant. I'm like, wait, wait, wait, relics are pushing back the dominion of demons? Yeah, everywhere. Um, the demonic oracles that that the pagan rulers, you know, Julian the apostate, the Roman emperors, whatever, would consult were going silent. Magic and sorcery was stopping to work. Another interesting comment, uh, Daniel and I talked about this, St. Athanasius in uh incarnation of the word, uh, explicit, I think it's in like section five or so, he explicitly says that when Christ ascended into heaven, he cleared the atmosphere of demonic entities. I have one one short quote I got from Eusebius, who's not a church father, but a pretty, you know, fairly authoritative witness. He was like the first church historian. This is in a lesser-known work of his called Proof of the Gospel, and this is book three, chapter three. He said, He, referring to Christ, taught us to believe that there are enemies of our race flying in the air that surrounds the earth, and that there dwell, and that there dwell with the wicked powers of demons, ill evil spirits, and their rulers, whom we are taught to flee from with all our strength, even if they usurp for themselves without limit God's name and prerogatives, and that they are to be shunned even more because of their warfare and enmity against God. So you find these sorts of things in the fathers, you find magic and sorcery stopping. Um, you find uh, you know, I think it's Sozaman and his uh account of the conversion of Alexandria, Egypt, a pagan city, the discovery of uh chambers beneath pagan temples with body parts and decapitated heads and whatnot that were part of, you know, rituals to demons, St. John Chrysostom and his homily uh on uh I think it's either, I think it's on Babylus, Saint Babylus. This is a guy who was killed in the Diocletian persecution, I believe, in the late 200s. His relics were placed near an oracle. Julian the apostate, who is raised Catholic but becomes emperor, apostasized, tries to get paganism going again. He goes to the oracle near near Babylus's relics, but the oracle, the demon, can't talk. Says, I can't talk. You need to remove these bodies around here. Doesn't say why. He removes the bodies so that the the he can talk, and then the then the oracle's temple is struck by lightning and the whole thing just ends, right? But so the so the fathers are full of these kinds of stories. Oh, John Christam in that in that homily also mentions that some of the demonic rituals involve child molestation. So it's like, and you read Suetonius' Lives of the Caesars. You see the the various emperors. I mean, the first gay marriage, quote unquote, I think was Nero, Daniel, if you remember if that's correct. But he's like literally castrating boys and marrying them, you know. So, so so this is the system of the world that ruled the vast majority of this planet, run by alliances between the humans and the demonic. Um, you know, they were able to animate all sorts of crazy stuff. Read read the accounts in Exodus of what the what the sorcerers did with, you know, the Egyptian sorcerers with Moses, like that kind of stuff. This is what ruled the world. And when our Lord assumed human nature, lower, disgusting, grimy human nature in the eyes of these demons, you know, because we're mixed with matter, um, they're like racial xenophobes, they're like spiritual xenophobes, spiritual racists. When he assumed our nature and established his mystical body as church on the earth, these are the this is the system of the world that began to fall. But we are assured that it will come back in some form. And we are also assured that when the demonic that is bound comes back, it comes back worse than before. Comes back worse than before. That's why we're consistently private.

SPEAKER_07 26:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:00

So that's what I so I'll I'll shut up now. But yes, I think that this is very much potentially related to all of this.

1947 And The Modern UFO Wave

SPEAKER_07 26:06

Well, what's really interesting is that even all of the stuff we've heard from whatever they've told us so far, nobody is claiming they are aliens from another planet. No one. They're all talking about these entities as if they live under the ocean, they've always been here. Uh, so what was weird with the Catholic angle of it was you had Dr. Paul Thigfin, you had uh Eric Salmons, you had um, I mean, these are people I like, I'm I was friendly, I am friendly with. I'm not even trying to knock them like that. Uh uh all of them came at it from the approach of, oh, if there are aliens, it wouldn't disprove the Catholic faith. Almost like laying the groundwork for giving credence to this whole disclosure when it happens, and being like, well, it still won't disprove Catholicism, but they could be real. But nobody is claiming these aliens are from another planet. They're all talking as if they've always been here, which would really um kind of go to what you're talking about, where these this these things always did exist, they were bound for a very long period of time. And now that that the system of worship that existed in the pagan world seems to be returning through the LGBT stuff, through the trans agenda, through all the different uh the epiconomy of temporal powers, disappearance of Christendom. Yeah, the the disappearance of Christendom is a huge one. You're seeing all the Christian altars are going away. Every time you see one of those dioceses say, Hey, we're making all things new by closing 50% of our parishes, the Christian altars are decreasing and it's giving rise to more freedom for the demonic to occur.

SPEAKER_04 27:42

Absolutely. The demon so I agree completely that this can be seen as simply the return of the pagan demons. Of course, uh the dominance of Christendom for most of the last 2,000 years has kept a lot of it at bay. Of course, it's never been fully at bay. We've always had demonic stuff going on on Earth, but there's still going to be a a phase in the end times, broadly considered, which I believe we're in, where it returns with a vengeance. And I believe, I speculate, that that began in 1947, that unleashing of the devil's power. And I look at just how many different things converged at that point. Most obviously, because this is what we're talking about here, that's when the UFO deception started. Before 1947, there were like no UFO sightings. You have to really look to find them. Suddenly, after uh Kenneth Arnold, Mount Raynor, and Washington reported that that UFO on the feast of St. John the Baptist, June 24th, 1947. Uh very deliberately chosen there, I believe, by the devil. Uh the because these this is like the forerunner, like the forerunner, right?

SPEAKER_02 28:46

Tomorrow, Daniel. Tomorrow's traditional calendar is the apparition of St. Michael.

SPEAKER_04 28:52

Oh, really? Oh, yes, of course. Because it's the one year anniversary of Poblio's. And he was, and we talked all about that a year ago tomorrow.

SPEAKER_02 28:59

Yeah, so I'm sure that's just a coincidence.

SPEAKER_04 29:01

And um that's also the um there was a summary and apparition. I don't know, I'll I can't remember now. But anyway, tomorrow's big, yes, June 24th. That's and and Spielberg's UFO Deception pushing film. I I can't let myself get sidetracked here, but that's gonna be on the Feast of the Sacred Heart next month. And that's gonna be the biggest push yet for disclosure in a in a twisted way. But anyway, 1947 there. So we've got the feast of St. John the Baptist, the devil there aping the Antichrist and the preparations for the Antichrist seek to in every way possible, ape the things of Christ. So we've got John the Baptist, the true prophet heralding the imminent coming of Christ. We've got these this UFO deception, the false, the false prophets heralding the imminent coming of Antichrist. And since then we've had this explosion of these UFO sightings, these false signs and wonders. And I'm not saying they're all demonic, obviously 90 whatever percent of them are just misunderstood weather balloons or or more recently drones or whatever. But the point is the remaining portion is there's so many of these sightings that even that small percentage, remaining portion, is a pretty big number, and those are the demonic ones. And I believe that corresponds to the devil having greater power because of the weakening of the restrainer. I think the restraining force considered more broadly, you know, there's I'm sure it's a specific, you know, Roman Empire, Pope, Church in general, Eucharist Mass. But but if we just think of all that kind of together. That's also well, that's the other big 1947 thing. Is that so, you know, technically it was established in 1948, but it was a done deal in November, I believe it was 1947, is when it was decided. The UN vote. So the UN vote, the voted cell, yeah, it was it was done, it was formula, it was um, it was decided in 1947. So we've got all these things happening. Uh blessed Anne Catherine Emick, she was told that the devil will be unchained between 50 and 60 years before the second millennium. In other words, between 1940 and 1950, which 1947's right in the middle of. Uh the Cold War that started in 1947. And I believe that that will be the existential crisis that the so-called extraterrestrials will come with the solution to. Because as the catechism says, the deception of the Antichrist is a religious deception, and suddenly we're seeing UFOs always presented in theological terms. Just look at Grush right there. There's this massive effort to try to get Catholics on board religiously, theologically, with aliens, which is why I've been fighting it theologically so hard for the last five plus years.

SPEAKER_07 31:39

But um no, that's an important point. That's a really important point. Like that, like it's not a coincidence that you're seeing this hard push to get it's a religious deception. So you said the whole reason they're calling those Christian pastors together, the whole reason they're you're seeing the the mainstreaming of Catholic voices, the reason, man, it makes it so much more like weird that you were not allowed to go on pints. Like, like there were forces that too, yeah. That there were forces that did not want you on pints with Aquinas, and those same forces are probably the ones who hired him. I'm sorry. I don't want to get you guys in.

SPEAKER_02 32:17

He's been doing some good stuff since he passed. I know he has.

SPEAKER_04 32:19

I'm just he pissed off a lot of Mormons.

SPEAKER_10 32:22

A little interesting for sure.

SPEAKER_04 32:23

There you go. Yeah, I'm sure he's a great guy. I I have no animosity towards him, but uh, but yeah, I was certainly canceled that I wasn't allowed to get it there, but you know, I'm gonna keep going. Um, and that that stuff with the temple and Israel, all of this is converging now with the Iran war, and everybody's seeing it as the fulfillment of their messianic expectations, even Muslims are, but of course, especially as Jashua said, all the fathers indicate that the Antichrist will be welcomed as the Messiah by uh Jews. And this push simultaneously with all the chaos and the wars and the trying to rebuild the third temple. Um there's more things to 1947 as well. But as we know, Pope Leo XIII was given that vision of of Satan having greater power for a hundred and and the the and you know, there's a few accounts. The one I tend to look at says 75 to 100 years. And it makes sense to me that God would give a range because he doesn't want us to know exactly what when things are gonna happen. It's because a lot of response depends upon our response. Um but if indeed again speculation, but I'm feeling pretty confident about it, if indeed that 75 to 100 years started in 1947, then we're in the period of time where it could come to its climax. Uh because we're, you know, at this point we're 80 79 years or something from it.

Disclosure As Counter Revelation

SPEAKER_07 33:41

Yeah, that's interesting. Josh, you put out a tweet the other day talking about um uh how disclosure means apocalypse. And you were talking about that point too. Yeah, yeah. I well, the thing is like the two of you, I've had so many similar conversations with the two of you that I might mix up like who I heard it from first. Not I'm not trying to like.

SPEAKER_04 34:02

He deserves more than I do.

SPEAKER_07 34:04

Yeah, I'm just saying, like the three of us have had many conversations about this stuff, so it's but but you the the specifically you put out a tweet the other day talking about this, and I wanted I wanted you to dive into that a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 34:15

So a few things here. Um I to I said I this issue was never particularly interesting to me. I mean, you know, occasional history channel documentary before 2020, but it was like, okay, whatever, and I forget about it. It became particularly interesting to me during 2020 because I read a book called The War of the Antichrist with the Church and Christian Civilization by Monsignor George Dillon. We've since republished this with a long introduction by me, multiple additional footnotes, some things like that. Father Dillon, uh Monsignor Dillon made a few typos, so I fixed them. Um, but a full republishing it through Tan Books. And this book was written in 1885, and it was responding to Pope Leo XIII's call in 1884 in Humanum Genus about Freemasonry to tear off the mask of Freemasonry. That's how the encyclical ends, particularly to the clergy of the church. Monsignor Dillon saw himself as answering that call. He delivered these series of lectures in Edinburgh, and then it was reduced to a book. The book was actually taken to Pope Leo, and Pope Leo endorsed it. I found a contemporary Catholic magazine that said he endorsed it, and he paid for a few thousand uh copies in uh Italian. He had it translated and whatnot. So, so you know, and and Pope Leo has some pretty intense and very detailed things to say about Freemasonry. So, and to be clear, when he says Freemasonry, we're not necessarily talking about card-carrying Freemasons. What Leo says and what other what Monsignor Dylan says is they're using Freemasonry as a catch-all term for occult societies. What is occultism? There's so much to this, but essentially what it is is society, secret societies that claim to have the original. I'm this is I'm being a little too general, wouldn't apply perfectly to every single one, but essentially this covers most of it, I think. That they have the original religion, that they have the original religion from the garden, as it were. And that this original religion was obscured and piled on top of with dogma of all the false of not necessarily false religions like the Catholic faith or Hinduism or whatever, but these are all just kind of emanations of that original religion of nature. You know, guys like Albert Pike calls Freemasonry uh the religion of nature, right? And he he speaks about it as yeah, it's very, yeah, well, Joseph Smith was, I think, a Freemason and speaks very much in those terms. So so anyway, um, so the point is that, again, they they see themselves as the stewards of the mystery schools. Again, you'll find different terminology groups, different groups, but they when you read their histories, and I I have found some creepy documents on this that are only accessible in academic archives. I'm going to be writing on some one related to George Washington. I can maybe get to that a little later because I really want people to get the big picture because I think all the details will make so much more sense if we make the big picture clear. When you look at the the documents and the writings of these occult societies and their and their uh supporters, their their narrative of history is essentially a reverse image of the Catholic view of history. So see, they see pre-Catholic Church as this is when the mysteries dominated the earth, and you know, we were in contact with higher beings and higher consciousness, whatever. Um, and then uh they don't always say it outright, but sometimes they do. They very explicitly identify the Catholic Church with a sort of tyrannical taking down of the mysteries. This is why they often uh Freemasons often um use an analogy of higher, I'm sorry, of uh of um Jacques de Molet, the the leader of the Templars who is executed by a French king, they'll claim and they claim that they are uh vindicating him, they're getting revenge for his his death, that they're going against crown and tiara, which is a reference to monarchy and the papacy. Um and so they believe that there will come a time when this original religion is restored. Okay. Yeah. So when you understand the church, Christendom, the sacraments, all of that stuff, we won't get too specific on the Catakon, the restrainer from 2 Thessalonians 2 that Paul says holds back the Antichrist, but they are essentially what is being restrained. When you read some of the church's documents from the medieval period, like they're dealing with witchcraft and sorcery. Guess what? The first issue they sometimes deal with Catholics don't even believe it. Even then. In the medieval period and the rest, even Catholics are like, oh, bishops, priests, oh, that's no, they're like, no, this is real, this is theologically accurate. This is what happens. What are these sorcerers doing? What are these witches doing? They love abortion, they love black masses, they love contraception. This is all explicitly in these texts, okay? So this is the mystery of iniquity, I believe, that's restrained by the church. And when that restraint uh lets uh lets loose, the mystery schools, as it were, the occult societies rise again and form the mere image civilization, an anti-Christendom, okay? And what is the basis of this anti-Christendom? Well, what's the basis of Christendom? The basis of Christendom is that you must participate in God's own divine life in order to enjoy Him forever. That's what grace is, right? You cannot do that by virtue of our, we cannot do that by virtue of our nature alone. Um, so Freemasonry uh denies original sin. Um, they deny that our our humanity needs to participate in some external um source of divinity in order to achieve divinity, that all those resources are within us already, that just needs to be accessed by a particular gnosis. So Christendom was based on the exact on that idea. Anti-Christendom will be based on what I kind of going from my Protestant background call sola natura, since there are many Protestant heresies that use the predicate sola. So sola natura, nature alone. And so um, so anyway, that that that's that's their agenda. And what what is very nerve-wracking about when I say nerve-wracking, I don't mean like we should all tremble and be afraid. I'm not afraid. Jesus Christ on the throne, guess what? It's God and man. Uh, and Satan hates that, by the way. St. Thomas Aquinas says, and I'll I'll let you talk about that, Daniel, because uh, you know, what St. Thomas Aquinas says about Lucifer's fall and all that. So I'll leave that to you. You've studied this more theologically than I have, though I think it's a very important aspect of this. But I think it when you look at how people are framing this, how are they framing it? They're framing it as a total narrative shift of the human race. In the Age of Disclosure documentary, Lou Elizondo, who's been very involved in this, um, David Gresh wasn't in Age of Disclosure, but he has said these sorts of things. You see multiple comments from these officials basically saying this is going to rewrite history. It's going to totally reframe our place in the universe. And the the tweet I did the other day to get to your original question was Christendom was based on the idea that the revelation, the revelation, the disclosure, as it were, comes from the priesthood, from the spiritual power. Now we're in a situation where we have all these apostate temporal powers who are saying, uh, we are going to disclose, we are going to disclose the mystery of your place in the universe, your nature as a human being, and and and so it's the complete inverse of Christendom. So again, so anyway, I'll I'll stop there for now.

SPEAKER_07 41:08

No, that's a really good point, right? Like the revelation of Jesus Christ comes through John the Apostle, a priest, fishermen from Galilee.

SPEAKER_02 41:16

Yeah. You get martyred.

unknown 41:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:18

So now they're coming from powerful, rich billionaires uh who keep secrets from all the rest of us, and but they'll but they'll tell us, you know, our place.

Pyramids Mysteries And Narrative Control

SPEAKER_07 41:25

They're going to give you the meaning of life through disclosure, which is an apocalypse, a revelation, right? Like it's the same word, and it's a really interesting, it's a really interesting thought to think about. Daniel, I see you joting down notes. I know you got a ton of things.

SPEAKER_04 41:38

Uh well, I'm always digging. If I don't jot some things down, I'll I'll drone on forever about whatever random thought comes to my mind. But the um now I gotta decide which thing I jotted down to look at and drone on about. But you know, Joshua, you were talking about the the I hadn't realized that about Freemasonry, that their goal is just that they think they have the original religion of the garden. That that's that's uh it I and it reminds me of of Jacques Rousseau and his state of nature and the inspiration of his philosophy behind the French Revolution, and that of course was huge in bringing about this uh it was uh hugely uh symbolically huge, at least, also with respect to this deception, I believe. But anyway. Um the number of things that I want to get to eventually, but you mentioned about uh Grush making these these claims about how this disclosure is like spiritually momentous. And this is hitting me much harder today because I didn't know until this clip came out that Grush is Catholic. That he's that he says he's a practicing Catholic. That's crazy because but it makes perfect sense. These are, you know, the devil's been in the long game of this for a long time now. And I think um, you know, I think we can actually, and I'm not making specific claims about the catacomb because you know uh you guys know more about that than I do, but I think just if you look broadly about these restraining, these forces restraining evil, uh, I think you guys would probably agree that the biggest single event weakening the restraining force against evil in the history of the church would be the Protestant revolt, right? Arguably like the biggest remote.

SPEAKER_07 43:17

I think it I think, yeah, yeah, yeah. I said the other night that the Protestant revolt was the beginning of the new world order, right? So you have like the clorum is the old world order, that's Christendom. And with the Protestant revolt, you have the beginning of the fall of the Roman Empire, essentially. Like the Christendom is collapsing. So yeah, I would agree with that.

SPEAKER_04 43:36

And then so when I I look at the kind of the devil's long game with this and the the E.T. Deception, it was like right at that point, just like right after that. That it started its first infiltration into Christendom, and that was with Giordano Bruno. Giordano Bruno was the first major evangelist of belief in extraterrestrials in the 1500s, and of course he was burned at the stake precisely for belief in many worlds. And there's a scholarly book out. That extensively proves, like because all the apologists, like, oh no, no, no, Giodano Bruno, he wasn't condemned for his uh belief in many worlds. Actually, that's precisely why he was condemned and executed by far the biggest reason. Um so from that point forward, uh we see this infiltration of E.T. deception into the church, I wager we see it almost in lockstep with the weakening of the restrainers. Like the more the restraining force of the grace of the sacraments in the church and um just the holiness in general, the Roman Catholic faith, the more we see that weakened, the more we see the E.T. deception. And with this single supreme antichristic um cessation of the public sacrifice of the mass with COVID, I think that's what began the final, the final step in this process. And I think we've been in a pivotal ten or so year span since COVID six just over six years ago ended the sacrifice of the mass temporarily. Publicly. Um, so back to grush here. So this the point is if you look at the long game of this, uh i i everything always gets back to the religious dimension because it's a religious deception, uh, primarily. That's its end goal. And there's even some UFologists who have said that this exploded in 1947. And if you look at every single major UFO event since then, all of them have some sort of Catholic connection. And the Protestants some Protestants take that as saying, oh, the pro the Catholic Church is the deception. Of course not. The Protest the Catholic Church is the devil's chief target. That's why all of he's always trying to get it into the church. He's always trying to sneak it in, he's always trying to associate this UFO stuff with Catholicism in some way. And for me to learn just today, or that that Grush, the chief so-called whistleblower, is a Catholic and that he's now. That uh makes this all the more troubling, but also all the more fitting. Here, I think I was just trying this a couple minutes ago. I don't know if it works. Can you see this if I put it on my screen? Yeah. Is that flipped or can you read it? No, we can see it. This is I just remembered I had this handy. This is what he said during his famous testimony two and a half years ago. He says, and uh, you know, when I read this, I figured, okay, he's just a typical secularist who's waiting for aliens to give him the truth. No, apparently he's a Catholic waiting for aliens to give him the truth. He says this because of disclosure, we no longer need to speculate about our place in the cosmos. Because of disclosure, we have a new era of spiritual awakening occurring. What on earth does where does that come from? This uh well, we know exactly where it comes from. The antichristic agenda to make this so-called disclosure of extra non-scription.

SPEAKER_07 46:41

To bring humanity and unite us as one. Not through not through not through Christ's church. This is like all the stuff, even stuff you hear from the church itself worries me when they talk about um the brotherhood of man without the fatherhood of God through human fraternity. It's like, no, no, no, the church is like when you get into a one-world religion, like there is a one-world religion, it's Catholicism, it's universal. It is supposed to be the uh the thing that unites all countries together through through the church. But since they've the temporal authorities have you know basically tossed the church to the side. Uh, we have 488 people watching on our channel. Hit like and subscribe, guys. You have 66 on Josh's channel, 400 plus people watching on Josh's uh Twitter handle. Um, I just noticed it's on Twitter, so I retweeted and hope they yeah, we have like 1300 people watching right now, so please hit like and subscribe. Um, uh Rob, let's pivot over to let me see what else we could play real quick.

SPEAKER_02 47:41

Um could I mention one thing before you go to the next clip? Very, very quick. This is where all the Atlantean and Great Pyramid stuff. It's it's so what's so so interesting is since COVID, I've said we've been in a permanent, what seems to be like permanent fog of war, where we don't know up from down, even with this latest war with Iran. I thought the 12-day war seemed very, very fake and staged and almost like rehearsed, frankly, by Iran and America and Israel as well. But it just, you know, we're in a permanent fog of war. And so what's happened is it's very interesting. On the one hand, so many conspiracy theories, a coin termed or popularized right after the Kennedy assassination. I'm sure that was just a coincidence. Uh, so many conspiracy theories, as they're as they're called, have been proven essentially correct. And yet there's also been this craze for thinking all answers come from conspiracy theories, which I think is also extremely dangerous and leads into this sort of Gnostic approach to well, if we know what the Atlanteans did or the Egyptians did, who really built the pyramids or this or whatever, and these aliens will show it to us, right? Whereas, as far as I'm aware, Daniel's insights on this have come from not conspiracy theories, but from the tradition of the church.

SPEAKER_04 48:58

I actually I actually channel the Atlanteans. That's how I get on. I channel the Atlanteans. Yeah, I'm curious.

SPEAKER_02 49:06

But the point is, is like the only reason I'm even alert to this at all, maybe I'm wrong, but but is the tradition of the church. I'm not I'm not reading all the latest grush stuff. I'm reading I continue reading these guys right behind me and seeing how they describe demonic encounters during the period of the the conversion of the Roman Empire. I'm like, wow, if that was what was happening to demons when they were restrained, what would happen when they're bound? I'm sorry, when they're I'm sorry, when they're unrestrained, when they're when they are loosed. And then you look at this issue, and then all of a sudden it becomes clear. So, so a lot of this whole attempt to reframe the Anunnaki, the Atlanteans, the Egyptians. I mean, there are some Freemasons, such as Manley P. Hall, who was loved by Ronald Reagan, by the way, you know, which is very interesting. But Manly P. Hall has a whole chapter on his book, The Secret Teachings of All Ages, called The Pyramid Mysteries. I did an article on our premium substack about this. He literally says that right on the cusp of the mystery schools being re-established all over the earth, there will be a secret chamber rediscovered beneath the pyramid. And he describes what seems like antichrist going into it. Now, who knows if that will actually happen? That's not the point. The point is that what has happened only recently? Supposedly we have found these chambers right beneath the Great Pyramid, and you have, you know, radio uh radar experts going on, Joe Rogan working for the Italian government, saying we found this stuff. So all of this is connected to to giving humanity all at once, not slowly over centuries, percolating from the Middle East to the farthest corners of the world, but all at once, because of technology, shifting the narrative of our entire species. So that was the only point I wanted to make.

Ads And X-Files Predictive Programming

SPEAKER_07 50:42

When Josh talks about the mystery religions, like during Paul's time, you had the cult of Mithraite, where baptism was you would cut the bull open and bathe in bull's blood, right? It was like the Hellenist, the Hellenists um mixing with the Jews, like Hellenist Greeks mixing with the Jews, and it winds up turning into like Kabbalah and all this weird Gnostic weird stuff, and that's kind of like been underground throughout the centuries, and you're starting to see it kind of just re-emerge in our in our own time. But Rob, speaking of all this weird stuff, I put a clip of the X-files in there that had a little bit of predictive programming.

SPEAKER_06 51:18

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SPEAKER_07 51:21

Um, all right, it's kind of awkward.

SPEAKER_03 51:27

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SPEAKER_07 51:30

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SPEAKER_06 51:50

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SPEAKER_04 51:52

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SPEAKER_07 51:59

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SPEAKER_04 52:29

There you go.

SPEAKER_07 52:30

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SPEAKER_06 52:59

Okay, I found it.

SPEAKER_07 53:00

All right. Why if you guys didn't see this clip yet? It is freaky.

SPEAKER_06 53:12

It had to be what, either late 90s or early 2000s, right?

SPEAKER_07 53:15

Early 2000s, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 53:18

So yeah, this is probably early 2000s.

SPEAKER_07 53:20

Watch this clip. They want to discredit you for what?

SPEAKER_08 53:24

Because I'm a dangerous man, because I know too much about the truth. You know my work? I was right about Dallas. How are you right? Are you familiar with the hantavirus as your mother? Yeah, it was a deadly virus spread by field mice in the southwestern United States several years ago. According to the newspaper, FEMA was called out to manage an outbreak of the hantavirus. Are you familiar with what the Federal Emergency Management Agency's real power is? FEMA allows the White House to suspend constitutional government upon declaration of a national emergency. Think about that. What is an agency with such broad-sweeping power doing managing a small viral outbreak in suburban Texas? You're saying it wasn't such a small outbreak. No. I'm saying it wasn't the HANDA virus. Well, what was it? What was it? You think we'll get a copyright on the when we got young men in the military. Your father and I were approved for a project. They told us it was biological warfare or virus. What killed those men? What killed them? I won't even write about. We have no context for what killed those men or any appreciation of the scale at which it'll be unleashed in the future.

SPEAKER_07 54:46

Basically, all right, I'm afraid we'll get a copyright on this because we've got our you leave it behind.

SPEAKER_03 54:51

What is it? What killed those men?

SPEAKER_07 54:53

It's basically it's so so nuts because all my feed was filled with today was hantavirus and disclosure, and that whole episode is about how the aliens created a hantivirus. Yeah, are you kidding me? I'm not kidding. And it's just like, how do it's just predictive programming? They they were dropping seeds back then about the things they were going to drop on us today. And it's just today, all I kept I've every I'm because I'm always scrolling to see what we're gonna talk about. And it was just one thing after another about this closure with the occasional cruise ship antivirus outbreak and how everybody's going back, and we're just seeing like the the groundwork being laid for the next pandemic.

SPEAKER_06 55:34

And I'm I don't want to do this. You know what we just did with that clip, right?

SPEAKER_10 55:38

What we got to play X-Files on Eternal Christian, my eternal shame.

Antichrist Speculation And The Mass

SPEAKER_07 55:49

Um, Fed Calderon had asked before, he said, Do you guys think that we'll see Antichrist in our lifetimes? Which I mean, obviously, it's just a guess on our part, but I'm pretty sure all three of us are fairly confident we're gonna see Antichrist, right?

SPEAKER_03 56:00

Well, I believe I should do it, but what about Rob? We got four people here.

SPEAKER_07 56:04

What is Robin leaving me off?

SPEAKER_02 56:11

I told Rob we should do a show where it was me and him talking primarily to see if I could, you know, give him a little bit more meat than the audience over here.

SPEAKER_06 56:21

Just to just to annoy Anthony, too. But that's the thing, Josh.

SPEAKER_07 56:24

I guarantee if you talk with Rob, he would go way further onto that side just because he's not gonna be contrarian to every single thing you say. Rob has a job to do and he does it well, he shoots everything I say, Daniel.

SPEAKER_09 56:39

He does, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 56:40

He does.

SPEAKER_02 56:42

So um the I I would be curious, you know, and Daniel and I um may have a small disagreement here, but Daniel's studied it a lot more theologically than I have. I want to also be clear, I'm not opposed necessarily my understanding from various scholastic authors is that the existence of other um incarnate, by which I simply mean matter and spirit, uh intelligence, rational souls, is not itself contrary to the faith. Um, that's my understanding. However, for me, it's it's it's the context of everything that's been happening that convinces me almost beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is an extremely um diabolical phenomenon that we're dealing with, simply given the narrative shift that so many of the people involved with it say this will help. I mean, they're all talking about, you know, I was saying I I kind of defined all occultism by as solenatora, nature alone. All these guys, you know, Steven Greer is a guy we haven't even talked about yet. I know Daniel just we we both love Stephen Greer, right? You know, Stephen Greer, you know, the disclosure project, I think it's called, he's been very, very heavy in this field for a long time. It's weird. This guy seems to know more than CIA directors, supposedly. Um, he claims to have, you know, um uh briefed my boss when I was at the White House, which is interesting. I wasn't aware he was there if that even happened. But the point is that um guys like him and so many others in this field talk about this whole encounter and this whole disclosure process as elevating humanity to the next stage, as evolving us to the next stage. And I'm sorry, as a Catholic, well, I'm not sorry, actually, as a Catholic, if you have the grace of the Holy Trinity in your soul, your next stage is clear. It's heaven. It's heaven. Uh there's nothing, there's no other stage that you're that you're aiming for. You know, maybe technological progress here, technological progress there. But the other contextual thing that I'll throw in there, and um, is it's so interesting to me with the with all these tech oligarchs, we see this from Musk, we see this from others. There's there's more talk than I remember in my entire lifetime about doing away with work and doing away with death. Those two things. And theologically, what those guys are saying is that we are gonna do this to God, and we will reverse through technological and scientific progress God's decree uh on our race before the sins of our creation.

SPEAKER_07 59:12

And the pains of childhood, right? With all the weird stuff they're doing. They're trying to reverse the curse of the garden.

SPEAKER_02 59:17

It's like they're reading the Bible, but in an opposite direction. Yeah. So these are billionaires, these are the richest, most powerful men in the history of the world. And this is the context in which all of this is happening. And I cannot dismiss that.

SPEAKER_07 59:32

They're trying to give everlasting life, right? They're all you keep hearing about is oh, we're gonna be able to manipulate genes and you'll be able to live much longer and maybe even extend life. I mean, they're they're they're promising eternal life, which will be an irresistible offer for most people. Yeah, no pain during childbirth. You won't have to work anymore with the AI stuff that you're talking about. Yeah, it it really is interesting that they are trying to reverse the curse of of Eden. Um, Daniel, I did want to ask you this because I uh I had read this this book.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:04

Um got yep, I got that right up here somewhere. Oh, I I have it right in front of me as well, actually.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:09

Yeah, so and and the the timeline I kind of got from that book was okay, so I read that and I read Cardinal Manning in the same in the same week. And Cardinal Manning talks about uh the Pope being the uh the catacomb and how once the Pope is removed, it would give rise to the Antichrist almost immediately. He he he had a he kind of thought that the Pope would be removed from Rome, and once the Pope is removed from Rome, that Rome, that would give rise to the Antichrist. But that book, people told me to read that book, they were like, Oh, you won't you won't think, you won't think the end is so near if you read that book, because that book kind of lays out that um that like the Catholic Church will have this glorious reign and every knee, every knee will bow, like essentially before the antichrist comes. But what I got from that book was more like the antichrist comes, he's defeated, but not by the return of Christ, but he's going to be defeated by Christ, by by like the word of his mouth. It says in 2 Thessalonians. Right. And then there's going to be like this glorious period of the church after the the death the the you know the Antichrist is is uh cast into the abyss, essentially.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:19

Right. Yeah, and that's my view. And I know that's not the most popular view among the uh that's probably that's not the most common opinion, you know. The most common opinion, I'll readily admit that I don't hold to it, but it's certainly not church teaching one way or the other. Uh the most common opinion is among you know true throughout tradition is probably that the end of the world comes very soon after the defeat of the Antichrist. Um I but I don't agree with that. I agree with the book you just held up there. Father Armin John, he quotes a number of others saying that. No, I I he uh a glorious triumph of the Catholic Church is gonna come after the Antichrist. We don't know how long, because Jesus says we know not the day or the hour of his coming, second coming in the flesh. So I don't know how long it'll be, but I do believe in it. And that's why I don't believe my message of uh, I don't believe my apocalyptic message is actually a doom and gloom one. I think it's ultimately a hopeful one, because I do believe that the that Christ, an apparition of Christ's power, the breath of his mouth, as Second Thessalonians says, is going to defeat the Antichrist. And I think the Catholic Church is gonna triumph after that. And again, you don't have to agree with me on that.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:18

No, well this is something this is this is an interesting topic because Josh Josh and I talked about it too, and I see I see a restoration of Peter. Um, like I don't I think the I think the I think we're gonna we're not going to see a good pope until after the Antichrist's reign. And I and I think there will be a res a restoration of Peter, just like Christ goes to him and restores Peter, feed my lambs, do you love me? Right, he says, says to Peter, do you love me three times? But Josh points out that that's after the resurrection. And but it's not after the ascension, right? So I don't know, like Josh, you you had said that you think that um that that the ret the restoration of Peter comes with the end of the world, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:05

I mean, this is where it gets even more speculative, in my opinion. Yeah, I I'm I'm not of the same view as as Daniel on this, but whatever, we agree on 99% of the other things.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:14

Well, this is you're allowed to you get into apocalyptic, but it's speculative. You're allowed to disagree with that.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:20

I do think I do think it's possible there could be something that's very brief. I'm forgetting where it is. I keep life is just so busy. I keep trying to remind myself to look it up in Daniel, and I keep forgetting. I think it's like Daniel 12 or or 11. It it seems to talk about the death of, I think it's 12, and it seems to talk about the death of the Antichrist, and there's like a period of 40-ish days or so, 50-ish days somewhere in there after his death, and it says, whoever makes it to the end of those, blessed be them, or something to that effect. So I think there's some interesting room for events there where there's the death of Antichrist, but you know, maybe then Christ is on the earth before the day of judgment in in some way, uh, like he was on the earth for 40 days before he ascended. So so I don't know. Uh it's very, very speculative. The way I always frame it as far as like, will we see Antichrist in our lifetimes? If I'm if I have a gun to my head, I say yes, I think it's more likely than not. I would simply say, if I can address one canard here really quick, is that many people say, well, everybody's always thought that the end is is is their time. I'd say that's partly true. I know I know, I know. It's unfortunate because I like Rob a way more than I do. But um, but but um no, but but what I have found in my research is that yes, is if if you mean that in a numerical sense, are there people always alive who think their time is the end times? Yes, you will always find people like that. What I actually found in my my study of the fathers and the saints and the doctors and the theologians, actually, though, was that not all those guys thought it was the end because they said these things have not happened. For example, one of the most interesting on this was Saint Bruno of Cologne of Cologne, the founder of the um Carthusians. He has a commentary on 2 Thessalonians 2, and he talks about um Antichrist needs a beast prepared for him before he comes. And he says, but he can't come now because that beast isn't ready. And he says, Why isn't this beast ready? Because there are Christian princes who obey the Roman pontiff, basically because Christendom exists. He says, But when Antichrist comes, there will be no more princes obeying the Roman pontiff. St. Thomas Aquinas says something very, very similar. Um, I'd say other fathers imply it, it's a little bit more vague in the fathers, but um, but but there's similar sorts of things. So so no, many of the saints and doctors, theologians actually didn't think their time was the time because of various signs that had not happened. What I would say is that in in the year of our Lord AD 2026, our accumulated experience since our Lord ascended into heaven, there is by far more things of an unprecedented nature that have happened in or or prior to our time. That virtually none of these saints, fathers, etc., ever had even on in the scope of possibility. Um, the return of the Jews to the Holy Land is one of the things.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:09

Cardinal Manning makes a very big deal of that.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:11

Cardinal Manning temporal authority of the Pope.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:13

The card Cardinal Manning talks about in his book, because he's writing in the 1800s and he's like, Yeah, he's trying to hypothesize a world in which the Jews return to the land of Israel. And he's like, he's like, well, no, clearly the antichrist can't come because we know the antichrist will be received by the Jews, and the Jews aren't in in Palestine. But he's trying to conceive of ways that it could happen. And he's like, well, maybe the Antichrist comes and the and then he promises the land to them, but we have them in the land now, then they're primed for it. And just the just the situation in the church overall, with everything we've we've been talking about.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:51

I mean, it's just it seems almost sorry, with with the state of Israel in particular, think about how that burr with the point I just made. Think of the two temporal powers most responsible for that Britain and the United States. Yeah. Britain, an apostate monarchy that fell from the Catholic faith, tried to banish the Eucharist from our lady's dowry, right? And the United States, the first post-constantine Christian polity to not acknowledge Christ as king and its organic law. This is not Catholic special pleading. You can look at the National Reform Association. They were around for decades. They were particularly active during the Civil War. All Protestants, all Protestants. And they said we need to amend the Constitution to acknowledge Christ as King and the Bible as you know the law, whatever, particularly Christ as king. Because if if infidels found our Constitution in the desert a thousand years from now, they wouldn't know whether we were Christians or not. And so the reappearance of the, yeah, there's so, so, so many things. I think Daniel is completely right about the 1947, the division of the atom, the atom bomb. Um I, you know, Paul VI, as you and I interviewed that the laying down the fiara, the Jews retaking Jerusalem, which our Lord arguably very clearly refers to or implies, and I like Luke 20, Luke 21, I always forget the chapter. It says Jerusalem will be trodden underfoot uh by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Uh, I don't want to be Protestant and say that every until in Greek implies some change of state because then we lose the argument on the perpetual virginity of our lady, right? So it's not that simple, but when you line it up with everything else, and when you line it up with our Lord's prophecy to the Jews, you will receive somebody who does who comes in their own name and all the other stuff, the third, all the other stuff, it makes sense. It makes so all these things have happened that we can look back within the living memory of each one of us here, our great our parents and our grandparents, us ourselves, the public sacrifice of the mass being brought to an end worldwide virtually for a number of months. Like there, there no age, no year has ever gone through or or literally witnessed all these things, it just hasn't.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:58

And and the few signs that are left that haven't happened yet, a lot of people point to, like the conversion of the Jews or the church. It happens after antichrist. They all happen after antichrist. Yeah, so it's like that is kind of the next the next peg we're waiting to drop, and then those other things happen.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:16

So it's it's thank goodness disclosure, it's happening tomorrow, and and then we have disclosure happening.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:22

It's like with the AI stuff. I'm like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:25

All these stuff also started in 1947. That was the invention of the transistor, and that was widely regarded as the birth of the digital era.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:33

Yeah, which is the other everybody that tells me I'm doom pilling, everybody that tells me I'm doom pilling. I look at it, I'm like, Do you do you guys not know the story? Like, I'm not am I I'm not crazy. This is a great story. It's a great story, it was a glorious victory at the end.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:47

I don't know why we're all the worldly call that doom pilling, they think that apocalypse means bad news, but no, like like and that I just put a little quote on my screen here because when you guys were talking about everybody thinking their time is the time, it reminded me of it. This is from the liturgy of the hours, and uh it's from Saint Ephraim the Deacon, and he basically says, You should every generation should believe that theirs is the one that he comes, even if they're wrong. And this time, you know, we just happen to not be wrong.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:19

I love that he's outnumbered three to one right now. It's all right, I broke back up tonight. Um, well, Fed asks if I if we think Trump could be the Antichrist. Here's the thing I don't know, like let's rob, I put a Trump tweet up uh in the in there. It's my tweet about the Noahide one, about the Noahide laws, essentially. Trump is now asking people of all religions to observe this the Jewish Sabbath in one of his recent posts, right? Now, I don't know if Trump is the antichrist, I just know Trump is doing very anti-Christic things. I know Trump is acting very much like a Jewish Messiah, right? So uh now, therefore, President Trump of the United States, by virtue of authority vested in the in me in the constitution of the laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim May 2026 as Jewish American Heritage Month. And I call upon Americans to celebrate the heritage and contributions of the Jewish American and to Jewish Americans and to observe this month with appropriate programs, activities, and ceremonies. I further call on all Americans to celebrate their faith and freedom throughout this year, during this month, and especially on Shabbat to celebrate our 250th year. Now he does say in the year of our Lord 2026, which is pretty cool, but nearly blasphemous.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:33

Pretty funny to put in this uh in this reference to the year of our Lord.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:37

Year of our Lord, but not the day of our Lord, apparently.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:40

He's just trolling the he's trolling the Jews.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:42

He's just he's getting so look, I don't know if he's the Antichrist, but like I like Josh pointed out earlier. I mean, we've never seen a closer scenario to what the fathers describe will happen in the time of Antichrist, which is the public sacrifice of the mass coming to a halt for three and a half years. We got a prefigurement of that during Trump. So I don't know if he is some kind of a uh a forerunner and somebody comes out after him claiming to be the one who brings peace and he mimics our Lord as the Prince of Peace or something. I don't know. I just know the things he's doing are very jarring.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:16

Anthony, do you mind if I explain one thing here on the public sacrifice? Let's hear it. Because I miss this as an evangelical, because I'm not gonna claim to to say every evangelical believes this, every Protestant believes this, not gonna do that because there's too many. It's like whack-a-mole, right? Don't mean that in a mean way. Yeah, he's a doctor. Yeah, yeah. Wasn't that cathartic, though, when Trump posted that? It was utterly horrifying. Yeah, utterly and and what he said on Easter Sunday, yeah, and then and then Divine Mercy Sunday, it's and and the fact that so many Christians were justifying the unjustifiable with this man. It's like, do you think the woman who thinks she has a right to murder her baby and trans her kid and slice them up and if they have a vagina, give them a penis, and if they have a penis, give them a vagina and put hormone therapy. Do you think that person needs to be convinced by the antichrist? No. People who don't believe that stuff need to be convinced. I'm not saying Trump, I don't know. I don't know. It doesn't matter, frankly, to me. I just look at what the man has done and said and and what aligns and what doesn't, we will see. I'm not a prophet, but on the sacrifice point with evangelicals, yeah, well, hopefully, what on the so I miss this as an evangelical. Many do because we read Daniel's prophecies about the three and a half years where the daily sacrifice is brought to an end. Well, because evangelicals and so many Protestants have no framework for sacrifice in worship, they really don't. A sacrifice of praiser, but that wasn't the language we use. They applied it to a third temple. So that is why so many of them thought antichrist would bring an end to a daily sacrifice at a Jewish temple. Think about twisted that. I mean, I say it out loud, like, how could anybody possibly believe this? But so many evangelicals and Protestants, unfortunately, now there are plenty of Protestants who don't. They're like some of the Reformed guys who are really anti-Catholic, many of them, they they would stand against this. So let's give credit where credit is due, right? But but many left behind type evangelicals and Protestants believe this. And so this is why it clicked for me when I read The Fathers, because the Father's like, the sacrifice is the Eucharist, it's the Mass. Whoa, this three and a half years, the Antichrist isn't bringing the sacrifice of goats and rams to an end, he's bringing the sacrifice of our Lord represented on the altar on Catholic altars in the Eucharist to an end for three and a half years. And that's what all the fathers say. So, anyway, that was just an enlightening.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:56

Now, let me ask you this because Paul does talk about um the Antichrist seating himself in the temple and proclaiming him like making himself a god. Now, is that the third temple or is that the new temple, which would be the Catholic Church? Like that's actually not unanimous amongst the fathers either, right? No, so the antichrist seats himself in in Rome, or or like the Pope gets removed from Rome, and the Antichrist could see himself in the temple of God, which would be possibly the Catholic Church. Like there's some mystical way where that could work, also.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:30

Yeah, the majority opinion among the fathers is that it will be a rebuilt, or at least there will be an attempt to rebuild a temple in Jerusalem. It's not the unanimous opinion. Um, some like Jerome, St. John Chrysostom seems to kind of uh uh entertain both, um, believe that Antichrist will in some way be in the church. Uh but I think this could be related to the great apostasy and whatnot. But yeah, you're right. It is not a unanimous opinion on that particular point. However, if they are unanimous on the Jews receiving Antichrist initially as Messiah, if that's the case, I mean the rebuilding of the temple has been part and parcel of virtually every Jewish messianic hope for a long, long time. Yeah. Um, there are some differences. You know, some Jewish traditions believe the temple is built in heaven and descends. So there are some differences, but the vast, vast majority opinion, I think Maimonides talks about this and whatnot, is that yeah, one of the things that Messiah will do is rebuild the temple in Jerusalem. And how could you not? If you're going to reconstitute Mosaic worship, you need a temple and you need it in one particular place, Jerusalem.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:36

Yeah, well, Trump also, like whether he's the Antichrist or not, what he has done is made me see how easily the Antichrist will be worshiped, because I see worship of Trump in a way I've never seen with any other figure in my life. And the other thing I wanted to point out, like I I see I see America as the new Rome. And it's kind of interesting how that Malachi prophecy about the final pope being Peter the Roman. Like if you if you understand America as the new Rome, and now you have Privos coming from America, and he's the Roman pontiff, it brings that Peter the Roman thing into a kind of a new perspective if you see it that way. I think so.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:26

I think I think that'sn't the implication that Peter the Roman is like the angelic pontiff, or like I can't remember now, but I don't know, because there's so many other prophecies about like the the great the great pontiff at the end. Yeah, and I believe that I believe we're gonna have an angelic pontiff and a great Catholic monarch. Uh you know, I believe all those prophecies, but you know, I'm just it doesn't look like it's gonna be late. Yeah, I mean, I think I I I think pizza bala has I think there's some prophetic mission in store for pizza bala myself, or the most I don't have any conviction on that, just uh desire, I guess.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:59

Well, look, you never know how events can shape a man either, though, right? So Rob and I are about to jump into uh Pius the Ninth on Tuesday, and Pius the Ninth was elected by the liberals to to have him go up against the conservative cardinals, yeah, and they put him in and he winds up writing the syllabus of errors. So these Tuesday shows this is Pius the Ninth. He uh he parted all the revolution, also, right? Yeah, no, that oh he did, yeah. Oh wow, I didn't I didn't realize.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:28

Yeah, matter of fact, um, the syllabus of errors is released 10 years to the day after he um proclaims Immaculate Conception. Oh wow, wow, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:38

Tuesday show is gonna be pretty awesome. We're gonna get into his election, we're gonna get into like the whole historical context around it, and then what leads him to write the syllabus of errors.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:48

We need a new syllabus of errors, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:50

Well, what what it what it's really doing, like this series, what it's doing is um giving us context to understand the state we're in now and seeing seeing how these forces have been building and building and building in in the world, and then inside the church also. Like this isn't this isn't just something that's outside the church, and the church is the catacomb and it fights this stuff up. It's like, no, this stuff creeps into the church and it works well with the Ticonius theory, Josh, with the mystery of iniquity inside the church and the body of the devil kind of gaining power within the body of the Lord, and you're kind of kind of seeing how that stuff plays out. And we're we're going back into that period to see how that how that progress happens.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:32

And you know, with the syllabus of errors, the key one of the key things there to remember is that it was it was addressing what existed when it was published. You know, too many people will read that, but then they'll only apply it to the errors of the 20th century or something. Uh it was written in what the mid 1850s or 60s or something. Um 1862. Okay, occultism and paganism and modernism, they were already exploding throughout Christendom at the time that was written, and that's why it was written. And I think we sometimes don't reach far back enough to really look at the roots of the deception when we just want to blame everything on things that happened, you know, I don't know, Vatican II or something.

How The Hierarchy Might React

SPEAKER_07 1:20:11

Yeah, we just we we just went through Mirari Voss, and and it's you're looking at Pope Gregory the 16th, and basically everything he's condemning or like he's like warning about in that is liberalism and and religious indifferentism. And the very things he's warning about there are the very things they're proclaiming as a good from the church now. It's a really like you you kind of it's like he's warning about the novice mortal church, it's kind of crazy, it's kind of nuts when you look at it like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:40

Well, and that's where I'm concerned with this UAP disclosure narrative. I do think, and this is where if you guys are okay, I'd like I have my own opinions on it, but I'd like to hear Daniel like explain theologically why aliens would be such an effective way to go after our Lord. But but the one point I wanted to make first was simply that I do think going with that whole Freemasonry thing and this restoring the original religion thing, I do think this alien thing, quote unquote, again, I don't take any of these people at their words. I'm just simply looking at the fact that a bipartisan group of people all over the media, all over politics, all want me to believe the same thing. There, there's complete unanimity, apparently, or near unanimity on this issue, which is you know, reminds me of COVID, frankly. Um, at least the initial part of it. But is that I think they may attempt to reframe religion um as borrowing from from the Catholic faith, Protestantism, Hinduism, Baha'ism, whatever ism, right? It'll it'll attempt to reframe all religions as somehow coherent with one another, um and uh and and and using aliens as a way to do it. But anyway, I that that's my part of my theory.

SPEAKER_07 1:21:57

I wanted to ask both of you, like, especially in light of how the church handled COVID, like, how do you think the church is going to handle disclosure, right? Like, so it's basically talking about what Josh just said, though, right? That if this is going to be a religious deception with the current hierarchy we have in, how do you guys think the hierarchy is going to respond to this?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:18

I don't think we're going to get any solid response one way or the other. And I as much as I would love that, I would love for a dogmatic um, real quick before I say that. So, you know, obviously I argue that we absolutely positively can theologically prove that there is no such thing as any incarnate non-human intelligence. I I just put up today a three-hour video on my channel. You know, my books are dedicated to that. If you don't want to read them, that's okay. I just put up a three-hour video on my channel showing the same thing. But anyway, um, so I as much as I would love a ex cathedra dogmatic proclamation to this effect, I'm not expecting it because I do believe that this is a test. I believe history is symmetric. I believe that the original glory was ruined by a non-human intelligence deception. And people all the time they'll say, Well, why did God put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden? Couldn't he have at least put a big sign up warning that a serpent was going to come in? Couldn't he have not put the fruit there in the first place? The answer is of course he had to. Because a test. It was a test. It was deliberate. It wasn't God wasn't confused, he wasn't taken uh by surprise. He had a plan. And Adam and Eve had to be tested. They failed the test. But I believe that, as St. Thomas Aquinas says, the end of a thing resembles its beginning. I think that just as the original glory was ruined by Adam and Eve failing the test of a non-human intelligence deception, so Christ will triumph over the faithful remnants of victory over a non-human intelligence deception. And frankly, I think that if the church responded too well to this with like a dogmatic ex-cathedral proclamation or something like that, as much as I love it, I hope it happens. I don't think it will, because I do believe that what that what's coming is a test. And to your question there, Anthony, why is this so effective? Because it's an assault on the core of our faith. Um man is the perfection of the universe. You'll you'll find that anywhere. You look at the Saints and Fathers and Doctors and Magisterium and Scripture. And that's why Jesus Christ assumed one and only nature, namely a human nature. Now, when we are told, maybe tomorrow, literally, maybe tomorrow, that there's actually these higher beings, that man is not the uh the the capstone of the universe, that man is not the perfection of the universe. What does that say about Jesus Christ?

SPEAKER_06 1:24:30

What does it say about our lady and our lady?

SPEAKER_04 1:24:32

What does it say about both of them? It says that they're actually lower than we thought. And we're actually waiting for the real disclosure. And I just remember I had a one of my undergraduates around the time of the Pentagon, the New York Times reports, this is several years ago, she wrote in one of her papers she was a Christian, but she wrote, you know, all this talk about UFOs being here now, it just makes it just makes Jesus seem so small. And it just broke my this is before I even was writing about this stuff, and it just broke my heart to see that. But that's exactly what they're after. They want to know the faith look small.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:06

You want to know what we missed in the last 10 seconds of the grush clip? Rob, you might have to bring it back up. The last 10 seconds you gotta play. He actually says, Um, I you know, me at me being a Catholic, um, I I just think that man being the crown of God's creation, it just you know. Oh my goodness, says that go to like the last this he was he was given the memo, he was given the talking point, which which really makes you you like why does God become man and not some other creature? Like God becomes man for a very specific reason.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:40

So if you go to like the last what what we didn't play, and I believe, as you're finding that, I believe that's why the angels themselves, the demons rebelled. You know, I I can't remember which theologian was the first to say it. I don't know if it was Aquinas or probably one of the fathers, that they were shown in foresight, you know, the incarnation, and they refused to bow before God made man because they erroneously thought themselves higher than that. And and I think that's why the demons rebelled. And I think they're gonna unleash their final attack against human nature and the incarnation, Jesus Christ, Blessed Virgin Mary, through disclosure.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:13

Because I don't hear many advocates on the disclosure movement side really addressing that. I think it's a very dangerous um mindset to be in if you uh preconceive all this as some sort of hearing about the house. It's a relatively dangerous language, and I think we need to be more thoughtful about that. And um why is it dangerous?

SPEAKER_04 1:26:33

He's saying it's dangerous to not believe in aliens, it's dangerous to be on guard against demonic deceptions.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:39

He's saying theological interpretation on how people can view this. So uh I see that as a big uh impasse, certainly uh because of uh the commentary that I'm hearing about that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:51

It's a very it's very maybe it's a different clip. I heard I he literally must be different. He's gonna say like that, that uh, you know, the like the way I, you know, I think man being the crown of God's creation, like, come on, you guys are just like like almost acting like that's narcissistic to think that we're the greatest thing God created, but it has major implications because God became man for a very specific reason.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:17

They all say that.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:18

Burchett says that everywhere, everywhere in UFOs evangelical Christians, yeah, all these supposedly good Christians and all these Catholics that that that um what's his name? Grush is referring to it, they're all saying the same, no, man is not the greatest creature. No, mankind is we're not the the crown, the apple of God's eye, we're not the we're not the chief work of his. Whereas the whole faith, it's so clear from the beginning, from scripture, from tradition, from magisterium, the consensus of the fathers, the doctors, everything. It's absolutely clear that yes, man is the apple of God's eye, the the capstone of creation, the culmination of his work.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:52

And especially our lady. Our lady is the crown of creation, right? So it's like my my opinion on how the church will react, but what scares me. Is because the church is playing around with this Abrahamic faith house, and you know, they're trying to unite uh Jews and Muslims into one thing. I'm I worry that the church is primed to go along with some kind of deception like this. And I I don't see the church speaking out clearly because I the church hasn't spoken clearly for the past 60 years. They just haven't. Every single pope that we've had since the council has spoken with like a reticence and a fear of proclaiming the truth of the Catholic faith out of whether it's I don't know what it is, whether it's shame or embarrassment. But I think a lot of the suffering that Our Lady of Fatima said the Pope must endure is going to be shame. Like a lot of that, like she said, the Pope will have much to suffer. I think a lot of that suffering is going to be shame for not speaking the truth boldly. And if this deception is a religious deception and it's it's claiming that it's going to unite all of humanity, I worry where the church will go with that.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:01

Yeah. Yeah, I'm very worried as well.

Demonic Tech False Wonders Theory

SPEAKER_02 1:29:05

You know, if you had any closing thoughts on that, I wanted to mention something else, but I didn't want if you had some closing thoughts on that.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:10

No, no, go, yeah, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:11

No, I I Anthony, going back to what you said earlier about um it's I it's not as simple as demons or something to that effect. Yeah, so I would agree with you actually in one sense. I want to actually put a little bit more meat on what I think it what I think it their demons means because it's a little bit more um specific. So um I know this will sound nuts. Somebody a friend showed me this video um in 2020 during the lockdowns. Um, it was a video by this guy, I think, named Alan Bard, I think is his name. And he's this guy that investigates Shakespeare. Because there is an actual academic debate whether Shakespeare was one person or like an alias who is used for other that's an actual academic debate. So I think the minority opinion is that it was an alias, whatever. So anyway, this British guy seems thoroughly pleasant, whatever. So again, I did not believe this. I know it sounds nuts, but if you look up Sonnets Introduction, Alan Bard or something like that, Pyramid. Um, I'm gonna give the climax away here. Uh, but basically what he does is he looks at the title page of the first edition of Shakespeare's Sonnets. And people, again, this will sound nuts. People think I'm kooky. I don't, I really don't care at this point. Whatever. I think people have my bona fides.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:26

But search barred code on YouTube. It's pyramid structure of the sonnets, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:32

That but it's not that one, it's another one. It's called it, it has the word introduction in it. So he goes to he examines mathematically the patterns on the title page of the first edition of Shakespeare's Sonnets. So, what is he doing? He shows that basically there are all these mathematical constants, and he shows it in an incredibly convincing way. He puts all the math on his website so people can verify it, double check it. This was before COVID, by the way. He did this before COVID. And um, and he shows that there are all these mathematical constants that are put into it that, according to the standard history, had not yet even been discovered. So, like Euler's, you know, there were numbers like pi, uh, the golden ratio, I think it's fee, if I'm remembering correctly. Um, those obviously had been discovered by the time of Shakespeare, early 1600s. But there were others that apparently weren't discovered till the 1600s, seven, I'm sorry, 1700s, 1800s, 20th century, even. So then he gets to the point where he shows that actually, I yeah, Jordan, I'm I'm I'm looking forward to he he loves, he's been asking Daniel and I to be on forever. So Jordan's partially the the reason for all this. Um, but the reason I bring this up is because he shows that there are a set of coordinates that were put into this title page.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:51

Sorry, I oh, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to distract you. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:56

I just this is kind of a detailed thing. I want because this is an important point. Sorry. It I know it will sound kooky. I I'm very aware of that. He he shows that there are actually these coordinates, latitude, longitude, encoded into the title page of Shakespeare's sonnets. I put the coordinates into my Google Maps itself. It takes you to within 300 feet of the Great Pyramid. It's nuts, it's totally nuts. And we know the pyramid is a symbol for all the occult societies. They're their great work, as many of them call it, to rebuild this alternative civilization. Why did I mention this? This video, among many, many other things, but this is the one that catalyzed it to actually have me be open to it, revealed to me that it's very, very possible that there actually is this secret, highly advanced mathematical, scientific knowledge that has been imparted to human beings who are willing agents with demonic intelligence. So, where does that get to when I say it's demonic? Well, I think these things very well could be visual illusions, I L L. Um, I also think some of this stuff could be real in the sense of actual technology. I think that's actually possible. Um I think it's possible that there are human agents willing to cooperate with demonic agents and be given advanced scientific knowledge that would enable them to produce this kind of technology. Now, why? Why would that potentially make I know it's highly speculative, so I'm not I hold it loosely. Why would this potentially make sense? It potentially makes sense for two basic reasons. One, Paul says that when Antichrist comes, it'll be with all signs and and pretended wonders, false, false miracles. And certainly, I mean, we often hear the comment like if George Washington saw a smartphone or whatever, he'd think it was magic or sorcery or whatever. So there is a sense in which way, way, way advanced technology imitates what most of us would think of as magic. Um, and so there's that aspect of it. I also think Antichrist is frequently described as a leader who, at least for a season, is granted military victories of an extraordinary character. Um, I think it's Apocalypse and Daniel talk about this little horn rising up. These are described as successor kingdoms of the Roman Empire. He defeats three horns and then the other seven submit to him, something to that effect. Um, so I think it's very, very possible that whoever Antichrist is, he may very well, in fact, have access to far more advanced technology that has been obtained by these occultic means. Yeah. And then finally, on the um, you know, if indeed, I have no idea if this will happen, but if indeed there are little gray men or whatever that are going to come out and seem to be fully sentient beings, whatever, it seems completely nuts, even now, even after COVID, whatever. Even if that was going to happen, um, I think it's possible that the biological meat, so to speak, since only God can create souls, men can't, we know that when demons possess, they possess motor functions. They don't possess a soul, right? So if there was like a biological meat, highly sophisticated genetic engineering that had been created in advance to be perfectly possessed. I could see that being possible. And you know what? For those who are more secular or scient or scientific, whatever, who think that's just you know uh superstition, fine, we can just prove it. Let Father Ripper visit with one of them. If one of them are there and there's a biological meat that appears to have motor functions, let a priest, let anything together with them and see what happens.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:32

Just let Paula White visit them.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:35

That's not the it's not crazy. It's not crazy with the way technology's going when they're talking about the way they're talking about genetics and they're talking about CRISPR and like chimeras. Like we like the idea that that we would try to mix some hybrid creature together with some kind of weird human element to it, and then that thing could be possessed is not far-fetched, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:59

It doesn't mean it's from another planet, Mary Shelley and Frankenstein. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:04

I well, the reason I'm putting this out there is not to just be let's see how kooky we can get. The reason I'm putting it out there is that God forbid something like that did happen. It's easily falsifiable if in fact it is a demonic thing. Have a have an exorcist meet with them. Yeah, see what happens.

SPEAKER_07 1:36:19

That's all you got to do. Yeah, we've we've heard enough stories of these people who have these alien encounters. They say the name of Jesus and they flee.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:26

Right. It's yeah, it's so and you know, the canon episcopy as a medieval code of canon law, it does speak of uh some instances of the demons actually possessing the corpses of the recently deceased and animating them for a time. Oh but it is yeah, uh so it's it's it's certainly within the realm of possibility for a demon not even needing any sort of special hybrid program. He can just grab a corpse and do it. But it it um, you know there's a limit to what he can do with that. You know, it it's it's temporary. He's not you're not gonna sit down and have dinner with these people and with these animated corpses and speak to them day after day. The movements will be awkward because the very gracefulness of human nature, even the devil can't mimic that. Um the uh he can give demonic strength, but he can't give demonic he can't mimic the the naturalness of it. You know, and just look it's funny. Look at how bad these humanoid robots are. They're they're like they're pathetically bad. Even though chat bots they're impressively good, you know, they're they're irrational garbage, but they're impressively good in many ways. But they still can't get basic robotics even slightly right. Um, so yeah, you know, there's there's a lot of things.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:33

Can I push back a little bit, Daniel? Can I push back a little bit? I want I have a question. No, no, I have a question. Have any of you been in a self-driving Tesla?

SPEAKER_04 1:37:42

No, I've never been in any Tesla. Okay, no.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:44

The reason I ask is I fancy like you over at Eternal Christmas. No, I don't I don't own one.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:49

I don't own cars, Josh. I do not own one.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:51

My family van is 20 over 20 years old.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:54

I own the same car I bought 11 years ago. Okay, I do not own one of these things, but I have been in several of them because friends of mine have purchased them. It's amazing, and these things are driven by I I've I've gone on multiple.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:07

Oh, yeah, I mean, I mean the humanoid robots are just so bad.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:10

No, but my point is that people thought that was insane and and impossible. It feels like Star Trek to me. We're talking to the AI. I'm not implying trying to imply personhood or anything like that. They're asking, like one of them, hey, uh Grok, I'm going to dinner with my friend Josh Charles. We're going to this restaurant. You know, can you look him up? Tell me a little bit about him. What would be some interesting dinner topics? Gets it exactly right based on just public information. Can Josh or Grok, can you go into Josh's theory about blah, blah, blah? Gets it pretty darn close to exactly right. While it's navigating incredibly complex situations with walkers coming into the street, bikers, uh, sudden stops, like some person suddenly stopped. It dealt with each of those situations perfectly. So, at least in the drives I was in. So, my only point to say, I think some of this is actually advancing a lot. I know you were talking about robotics, but there is a sense in which a self-driving car is a robot. It's talking to you, it's moving you around, it's doing very, very good. He doesn't have the grid. It's scary how good it is. Is what he specifically said.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:17

He said, Like, there's something specifically about our bodies. Because I, you know, primarily we have the image of God with intellect and will, yes. But even our body is is the physical image of God.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:27

And and and that's why you know Jesus assumed a human body. And I don't think robotics, I don't think they'll ever actually be convincing. You know, chatbots are surprisingly good, but even they're actually surprisingly bad enough.

SPEAKER_07 1:39:38

Always have that uncanny valley feel to them, always, no matter how I just want to know if Tesla's auto driving um will rub against the curbs, like my wife or not.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:48

Are we gonna end women destroying rings? Is what Rob wants to know.

SPEAKER_10 1:39:53

The end of the tear of the female driver. It's upon us, men. It's upon us.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:59

We just brand save. We just picked it up from the auto body. Rob gets it.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:07

That's why I don't want new cars. I don't want to have to even think about my car getting scratched.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:12

I want to Rob goes against the trad minibus, a brand new trad mini bus. His wife, one of the Mercedes sprinters, yeah. Oh, you got one of those.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:23

Yep.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:24

His wife roughed it up on day one. It's all right, hope. We love you. I just want to say this to Jimmy, he's a new listener. Digging the show, were any Catholic clergy in on this government warning or just wacky prots? Also, Ant's gotta be from Long Island. I can feel the vibe avoiding Babylon Village after 2 a.m. I am from Long Island and I have been to Babylon Village. Um, I don't know if there were any Catholic clergy. I think it was all just wacky props.

SPEAKER_06 1:40:47

I don't Joshua was saying, was saying that the uh whole government briefing of the pastors was really not even true. No, what it was a lot of many aspects of it were fake or exaggerated.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:59

Yeah, and it was it was it was put out there to get a lot of publicity and stuff. But what it was was uh a group of pastors got together and uh a guy from the House of Representatives called in and just told them, Hey, I want I think that you know the way this narrative is going to unfold, you probably should just start talking to people about it because they're probably gonna put forth a narrative to confuse people. And it wasn't like them saying, Hey, aliens are real or anything, it was it was way overhyped. Rob, there was a clip I I I wanted you to play of um I put it in there as Book of Revelation Beasts, because this is kind of what we were talking about before a little bit, and then we we could before we split you guys got another like 20 minutes or I'm good, yeah. Okay, yeah, I want to play two two two more clips before we go.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:44

So that they actually look more human with reptilian skin, but humanoid, they're they're hybrids. They mixed it in a lab. Come on now, okay. So it's not from another planet, and they don't even look like you think they look. So who's in charge of that? So this is a things that I've never talked about before, I probably never will again, but you thank you, thank you for coming. But this is the thing that we're dealing with. We're dealing with the book of Revelation. These things are gonna come out of the earth, they didn't come on spaceships, these are interdimensional beings, and those who who have enough sodium pentathol in their system, when I ask them, will tell me the truth, no matter what agency they work for. They will tell me the truth, and that is they're interdimensional, they're not coming from far away.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:52

Yeah, these this is this is the what am I looking at what am I looking at? What is this? Who's seven to die?

SPEAKER_07 1:42:57

Wait, no, no, no, you have to see this. That's not actually Jimmy Aiken. No, no, no. We get we have Jimmy Aiken, we have uh Father Jimmy Martin watches. We have a lot of interesting viewers. No, that was what you were talking about earlier when I asked you when I cut why I kind of asked you that, because like the Protestants are going down that road, right? The Protestants.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:21

Here's the thing. Here's why the great it's it's the Protestants, the evangelicals, they've you might superficially think they're really good about sounding the alarm against this deception. No, they're gonna fall for it more easily than anyone else.

SPEAKER_07 1:43:32

Yeah, for sure.

Interdimensional Claims And Marian Apparitions

SPEAKER_04 1:43:33

They're just gonna fall for it under a different title. They're gonna say demonic, they're gonna, but this this stuff with the interdimensionals. I gotta try to not go to too much of a rabbit hole here. Okay, real brief recap of it. All right, so the interdimensional hypothesis comes from a man by the name of Jacques Villet. Jacques Villet was actually the character in Steven Spielberg's first major UFO film, um Close Encounters of the Third Kind. So he's probably the single biggest UFO scholar. And he's a Rosicrucian, so he's Freemasonic, diabolical, occultist. He's he's got the worst motives. But the Protestants love him because he says the UFOs, they're not space aliens. He says they're interdimensional visitors, uh they're and they're societal control mechanisms, whatever the heck that means. It doesn't mean anything. But the point is you'd think you might think Jacques Villet with his interdimensional hypothesis is saving us from the UFO deception. Because he's saying, no, they're not space aliens, they're interdimensional. But that's absolutely the opposite. He's taking us out of the frying pan and into the fire. The interdimensional deception, in my our I argue, is actually worse. Because it gives the demons full leeway to do whatever the heck they want without detection, without us realizing they're demons. Jacques Vallet, he's not only trying to say that UFOs are interdimensionals, he's trying to say that every paranormal thing, basically, or as he says, every, what's the word, every anomalous thing is an interdimensional. And what is he especially focused on after UFOs? Marian apparitions. He is dead set on trying to say that Fatima and Guadalupe were really just misunderstood interdimensional UFO visitors, and that these are societal control mechanisms for our evolution to the next stage. Protestants b gobble this up because they also think Marian apparitions are demonic. They also want Fatima's Miracle the Sun to be a UFO. I've got so much uh hate from Protestants over these last several years who are trying to tell me that Fatima is demonic. I even have a couple rad Catholics trying to say Fatima's demonic. Um, but mostly it's the evangelicals. Um and and they're gobbling up this interdimensional stuff. So I I know it seems like a step closer to the truth because people might think, oh, well, demons are interdimensional. I would say no, there's no such thing as other dimensions. That's pseudoscientific gobbledygook. Just get rid of all those stupid fake science words. Um there's demons, there's there's spirit and there's matter. That's what God made. There's demons and there's incarnate creatures. We're the only intelligent incarnate creatures. Whatever uh other intelligent creatures appear to us that are not humans, they're demonic because an angel would never deceive. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:06

Yeah, I'm glad I'm glad we played that clip then. Um and then the other one I want to play, Rob.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:11

It is interesting, Dan. Jacques Villet actually, there was a clip that came out uh uh from him today where he apparently said he doesn't dismiss the demonic stuff, which is very interesting.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:21

Yeah, he pays lip service to the demonic. Sulka will talk about that all the time. He'll he'll say, So the thing is they they pretend that they're embracing it all, but they they give lip service to the demonic so that you think they're not falling for the demonic when it rears its head. For example, Whitley Striver, he also says he's the most famous abductee. He also says he's Catholic, but not practicing or something. I don't know. But he says these visitors, his aliens, what he thinks they are. He says they can't possibly be the demonic because they don't come reeking of evil. So these people have no discernment. They think that the demonic comes announcing its presence with obvious superficial evil when it does. And of course, that's absolutely false. The scripture says Satan appears as an angel of light, even. Uh, it requires discernment, Catholic discernment, and that requires the Orthodox faith. The Orth, I mean, I don't mean Eastern Orthodox, I mean Orthodox mind of faith, which none of these UFO people, including the supposedly good Catholic ones, have.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:18

Yeah, I mean they named one of the things uh the Immaculate Constellation. Like they're like mocking us, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:26

Um it's it always gets back to that. It always gets back to the religious deception.

SPEAKER_07 1:47:29

Um, and then there was one more Protestant clip I wanted to play, Rob. It's uh Christian Intelligence Agents. The last one I put in. We did two hours so far. I don't think we do locals today. Um, yeah, it's the last one I put in there, Rob.

SPEAKER_06 1:47:48

Four minutes long. How much do the whole thing?

SPEAKER_07 1:47:51

I just want to play like a minute of it.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:53

I find out that he is part of a private group of Christian intelligence operators. And I say that very specifically and as pure as possible. He is not the government, he is not part of an intelligence agency, not NSA, CIA, none of the alphabets. As far as I know, as far as I know, he is part of a private group of Christian intelligence operators, they are operating privately on intelligence with disclosure. They their goal was to gather intel and data, and again, this is my understanding. Their goal is to gather intel and data on what this disclosure stuff is. I don't know what their opinions were of it when they first started the operation, but as they started gathering intel and data and getting rubbing shoulders with a lot of people, a lot of people. I am not, I am like bottom of the totem pole type person. That's why maybe I feel so weird about that. I I don't feel qualified to be the person talking about this. Um they gathered a lot of intel and they came to believe that what is happening is deeply spiritual. What people are experiencing is deeply spiritual, and that what the majority of the experiences are when it comes to um, let's just say for generic surface level terminology, um abductions, alien abductions, is uh Demonic, demonic in nature, and there is an element of this UAP phenomenon and entity phenomenon that is fueled by fallen angels and fallen angel technology.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:16

Which basically what we're saying so far. I don't he's another product guy, but he gets into talking about the narrative that's going to come out. Um that that because I'm really curious like how they're going to package this thing. And even with the stuff we get tomorrow, like I think the stuff we're gonna get tomorrow is gonna be kind of like the Epstein stuff. It's gonna be like it's not gonna make any sense at first, but I do think it's going to be progressive, like you guys were saying, and you'll get more filled in later. And then I think there's going to be like an event that, like, all right, we're gonna give you something, you know. But I don't think we're getting anything yet. I think this is still more just Psyop stuff where they're just we're being initiated. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:01

Grooming. Grooming happens, grooming always happens on stages. The uh the full assault on your innocence and grooming, it doesn't happen in the first step. It it's it's it gets a little bit worse each time. So I think we'll get the first drip tomorrow. But um, or maybe we won't get anything tomorrow.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:16

But you know, we seem to be have people saying that something's yeah, I tell you, man, no out of all the people handling these conversations, that Anna Paulina Luna lady, like she bothers me more than anybody. Like, she's horrible.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:29

And people people that's a quintessential example of, you know, she's presented as a hero because she'll every now and then bring up the word demon. But no, she's buying the deception. She pays lip service to the existence of demons, but she's saying that these uh and you know, I'm I'm probably being a jerk here, but I I think that I I think there's almost no heroes uh on this. Uh actually, no, let me qualify that. I I think that JD Vance could come out really good on this because he'd said blatantly a few weeks ago, they're demons. He just came out and said it. So I have high hopes for him.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:04

His best friend is Peter Thiel, who's obsessed with the Antichrist. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:09

He's hastening the he's oh goodness, we could do we can't do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:13

And says that limiting AI will bring on the Antichrist angel. Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:17

So he's he's fixated on the Antichrist, ostensibly opposing the Antichrist, but actually hastening him. Um it's yeah, it's bizarre.

AI Idols And Eucharistic Sacrilege

SPEAKER_07 1:52:27

This is what's gonna happen. The alien showed up and said Israel is the best government in the whole universe.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:35

You know, I do I do think it's important for a lot of modern people to realize the presuppositions most of us have accepted without realizing it. And I know many people think some of this is absolutely totally kooky. What I would say, and maybe some of it is what I would say is that if you exclude consideration of such things a priori, then the Bible is kooky, the saints are kooky, the church fathers are kooky, like Moses is kooky, like everybody we love and respect is kooky. Yeah, and so the world is a far more fantastical place than most of us realize. And I think the big reason why modern people don't realize is because we're connected to the work and creation of men so often with our technology, with being in cities. There's nothing inherently wrong with either of them, but when you're constantly surrounded by the works of man, your horizon is limited by that context. Yeah, and so um I do not dismiss the the miracle stories from the fathers or the preternatural encounters they describe. I do not dismiss them. And if I cannot dismiss them, then neither can I dismiss the consideration of some of these other matters. Um, I do think if in fact there are occult forces that are that by God's permission have slowly subver slowly taken the the formerly Catholic temporal power out from under the spiritual power. That was the first step, then takes that temporal power from like a quasi-Christian Protestant thing to a just secular thing, and then it's ready to be handed over to Antichrist for a new religion of some kind. Like these occultic forces love to show their hand in a way that the sheep, the sheeple like us, don't know and don't realize. They love communicating through some it, it, you know, I think C. S. Lewis wrote that essay, I think it was called The Circle. And it was, and it's also why conspiracy theory is so attractive, and like all of us who are considering things do need to be careful. And that's why I primarily appeal to scripture and the fathers, stories that are available publicly. I'm not saying if you just knew, you know, this or whatever. It's it's no, that look at the read St. Augustine's City of God, read St. Athanasius's Incarnation of the Word, read Sosaman's Church History, read St. John Chrysostom's homily on Holy Babylus or Homily on Holy Ignatius of Antioch, my great patron saint. Um, read these things. I'm not you know, and and these things they don't tell you, therefore they're developing this kind of no, but they do tell you there are more possibilities. Well, I forget the great Shakespeare line about Horatio.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:28

There are there are more There are more things in heaven and earth than is dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:32

There's more things in heaven and earth than is dreamt of in your philosophy, philosophy, Horatio. Absolutely. And so, you know, for example, I I do know, I I have direct knowledge of some of those types of efforts that that guy was talking about. The ones I know about are not Christians. They're very, very secular, in fact. Um there are people dabbling into this in a more scientific sort of way, like it's real. I I have direct knowledge of people who've dabbled in it, and light orbs start showing up. People I know, people I trust. And guess what? It's not shocking to me that some sort of demonic entity could show up as a light orb to intimidate somebody.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:08

It's like I I think C. S. Lewis, you brought it up I think C. S. Lewis hit the nail on the head and that hideous strength in in the concluding chapter. And anybody can close their ears if they don't want a spoiler. But, you know, the N I C E the X all the they had all this technological stuff and they thought that they were re they were creating life, and they thought that they were animating this head through their tubes, and he had this interesting uh pre you know uh prophetic idea of almost a computer. Um, and it was actually just the demons were la were like letting them do all this stuff, so they thought they were doing it, but really they were just possessing this thing. And I think so, you know, I guess it's the engineer. I mean, I love tech I still love technology as much as I hate AI. Um I'll still use it for some things, it's not evil in and of itself. But you know, I'm hesitant to escape. I don't know, but but let me just you you brought up Augustine, and when you were doing that, I just quickly opened up my book here. I want to read exactly what you're talking about, because it's great. From the city of God, I believe. He said about what was going on in the ancient pagan world that Christ rescued us from, but which is returning now. For although man made God, quote gods, these idols, it did not follow that he who made them was not held captive by them. When by worshiping them he was drawn into fellowship with them, into fellowship not with stolen idols, but cunning demons, unclean spirits, St. Augustine says, associated through a wicked art with idols who have taken captive the souls of their worshippers. And he says this was not only in Egypt, but all throughout the earth when before Christ rescued us from it. And he said this is by a detestable art which is opposed to divine religion and should be taken away by that religion. Gods made by men, he says, that is demons who, through some art, I know not what description, are bound by chains of their own lusts to images. So this human artifice it becomes the context. It's the anti-Eucharist. I put up a Twitter post about this a few weeks ago. I see this the AI paganism, which I think is the other half of this deception, as like the anti-Eucharist. You know, we uh in the Eucharist, we have the host, which is just dead matter, just bread. And the miraculous intervention of God transubstantiates it into the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ. And today we've got these idols which we're starting to worship our computers quite literally. We're treating these chat bots as if they're alive and have wisdom and reason and personhood. And this um this dead, dumb matter, silicon, plastic, copper, which is all AI is, it's a bunch of logic gates, a bunch of NAND gates. I believe that we are setting ourselves up through our approach to them, uh we're our de facto treating them as idols, through to see the exact same thing happen to us, as Augustine describes happening throughout the pagan world, these demons chained to the images we've created.

SPEAKER_07 1:59:01

Well, well, the reason so you when you get through that whole period where the Christian altars are erected and the demons are bound, once once you get to the enlightenment, those demons are still bound and this materialist worldview comes about. And the materialist worldview infects everyone, including modern Catholics. We've been brought up into this materialist mindset. We think in terms of sola scriptura, and we think there's only one God, right? Like, like Catholics that are that are raised today are trained to just think, oh, there's only one God. They don't realize that these other that these demons were gods, right? Like God is the is the Lord of hosts. Right, so he's the Lord of hosts, he's the god of gods. And the people think, oh, there's only one God, all that other stuff is nonsense. And that materialist mindset and that materialist worldview held things like held this world back for a while because the Christian altars were still up. But because those Christian altars are going away, that materialist wall is kind of collapsing and the demons are coming up from the abyss at this point. So, yeah, they're starting to see these phenomena pop up all over the place.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:11

Holden Sheen described exactly what you just said in his 1947 prophecy, right before the dawn of the UFO deception, the return of the rebirth of Leviathan. And it's amazing. It's basically what you said there. And I, you know, I love that you said that because obviously we only believe in one actual God. But I I want an atheist to say to me in a debate, you know, I'm just like you. I don't believe in 2999 of the gods. I just go one god further. And I want to respond to him in saying by saying, You think I don't believe in those 2999 gods? Oh, I believe in them. I just I just realized that they're demons. That they're demonships. Exactly. The gods of the pagan gods of the pagans are demons, as St. Paul says. Or no, sorry, that's the Psalms, right? Now I'm forgetting. But it's it's in scripture. I think St. Paul also refers to them as demons. Obviously, they're not God, you know, there's only one God, but there are demons who parade themselves as gods, and they are real. These are not legends, these are not fictional things.

SPEAKER_07 2:01:08

Daniel, they were so real, they were so real that you have these monolithic structures in South America that look the same as the ones in China, that look the same as the ones on the others, like all over the world, you see these structures that look identical because these people are building temples to a demon, and the demons instructing them on how to build it. So, no matter what culture you go to, they all have the same gods that they're worshiping, right? Dionysus exists in every single culture. You have Jupiter in every single culture, they go by different names, but they all are the same god, and it all has to do with spirits you give yourself over to. So, right, you had them throughout every single culture by different names, but they're the same demon that people are giving themselves over to.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:51

But they found with the ET stuff. Sorry, no, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:56

No, no, there are literally accounts from Spanish conquistadors of the of the conquest of the Aztec, of the Aztecs consulting their gods and their statues and the and the statues talking. Yeah. Now, again, is everything written down by somebody necessarily true? That's not my point. My point is that you see the same things in the fathers, right? Yeah, like the world is a weird, crazy place, especially when a satanic dominion is under direct assault.

SPEAKER_07 2:02:24

Right. So they're coming into into the Aztecs, and that Christendom hasn't been set up there yet.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:28

So they're coming into the demons referred to, I forget what it was. I a friend told me this recently. They showed me the source, I found it, so I don't remember the exact, but they they reference our lady. They say something like they're tether telling the Aztecs they can't do something because she is there.

SPEAKER_09 2:02:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:44

So already our lady is showing up to interfere with things. I want to make one point because I think this is an important qualification. You were talking about Christian altars going down. Let's make a very, very important qualification because this is very important. Because actually, there's more Catholic altars than ever before in the history of the world, right? But here's what's so interesting. I do think part of the Catacon, Daniel referred to it, we've talked about it, is the Eucharist. There's something about the Eucharist. And if God will allow Antichrist to bring the public sacrifice of the Mass to an end, God is not ad hoc and He lets things happen for proportionate reasons. So if he's going to let Antichrist bring the public sacrifice of the Mass to an end globally for three and a half years, we can very well assume that there's some horrors horrible, grotesque sin that has been occurring related to the sacrifice, that God, that that is the reason why God is allowing it to be removed. Doesn't mean there will be no priests celebrating Mass in catacombs or in places where Catholics hang out when antichrist is persecuting. Just means the public sacrifice will come to an end. Well, what's been going on, arguably in our day, far more since the 60s than ever before, Christ is being crucified by his own, by the unworthy reception of Holy Communion. So those sacrifices where Christ is represented to the Father, we participate in that on earth, they're actually becoming places where He is sat, He is sacrificed and crucified as if again. St. Paul says this language, you know, it's like bringing judgment on yourself. So if you have record numbers of Catholics, like if you're a creaster going just on Christmas and Easter, you're in mortal sin when you go on those because you're not fulfilling your obligation. You're crucifying Christ again. You're bringing judgment on yourself, which is to say, you're bringing God's judgment on a baptized member of Christ's body.

unknown 2:04:35

Right.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:36

This is why God will allow Antichrist to do this. This is also why John, you know, you made a, Anthony, you made a comment. Who's the saint you'd like to talk with most? I think you you would ask that.

SPEAKER_07 2:04:46

Yeah, I asked that the other day.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:48

I said St. John because I mean, and you said accept our lady, because it would be our lady. Everybody was. I said St. John because St. John and our lady are the only canonized saints, I think. For sure, we know that we're at our Lord's cross, even to the end. They persevered to the end, which is the predicate for being saved, right? We got to persevere to the end. And so Saint John, this could be a whole other episode. I'll make it super quick. In John 6, 66, which is not John, that the verse numbers came later, but it's interesting. He identifies Judas as the betrayer. So in the discourse about the Eucharist, he says Judas doesn't believe, but he remained within the apostolic band, right? And then at the Last Supper, our Lord says to all the disciples, one of you will betray me. But then John leans over and he and he says, Who is it, Lord? And Jesus tells only John. He says, The one to whom I give this morsel, it's the Eucharist. He gives the Eucharist to Judas, Judas receives it, and then Satan goes into him. Then Satan goes into him. So imagine if you have Eucharistic sacrilege after sacrilege after sacrilege after sacrilege in Christ's own church where people are receiving unworthily. I'm not saying every single time that happens, the devil's possessing them. That's not the point. But they do turn themselves, they're turning themselves over to the devil even more completely if you're in a state of mortal sin and receive the Eucharist. It's like you're making Christ's ground Satan's when you do that. So if that's happening at unprecedented levels within the church itself, those altars, you can have as many of those altars as you want. They're actually helping bring on the judgment of Antichrist.

SPEAKER_07 2:06:26

Yeah, it's such a good point, man. You're right, because there are more Catholic altars in number than there ever have been, right?

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SPEAKER_02 2:06:32

But and then the counterpart to this, I can do it in 10 seconds. The church triumphant, it's always getting more powerful. I think there's a point I'm emphasizing more and more late. That's why I'm not a doom pillar, I'm not a black pillar, whatever they call me. The church triumphant, every time it gets a new soul, you know, Cameron Riker, his baby just died, right? Saint Joshua. Saint Joshua, I like his name. Uh he once Saint Joshua got into this heaven, heaven was never going to be any smaller. And all the other souls that have it so like as the the fortunes of the church on earth get worse and worse and worse, like the church triumphant is bigger and b and brighter and more resplendent and more triumphant. There are more saints reigning with Christ, like it describes in Apocalypse 20, verses 4 through 6. And it's and it's getting ready to bring heaven and earth back together again. And so I think people need to keep that heavenly reality that we're still participating in at mass very much at the forefront of our minds as we're dealing with these speculative but admittedly grounded speculative uh possibilities.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:31

So let's tip that balance as much as we can to the good side. If you're in a state of grace, if you're not in a state of grace, get in a state of grace right now. Go to confession, repent of your sins, and receive communion as often as possible. That's the most powerful thing you can do. Uh so that's think about how many sacrilegious communions are happening. Most Catholics today are probably living in a state of mortal sin. Even most Sunday mass govers probably are who knows God only knows. But uh, we console our Lord. You spoke about the Last Supper there. John resting his head on the on the breast of Jesus. That's where the sacred heart uh devotion originally, uh ultimately comes from. That John, Jesus needed that consolation. His sacred heart needed that consolation. He Jesus seeing his own one of his own beloved apostles, Judas, betraying him, about to become possessed by the devil, receiving sacrilegiously. He needed that consolation from John, pulls him close to himself. You need to be like St. John and like Our Lady. They remained with Jesus through his passion, they never wavered. St. John only did because he was close to our lady. So stay close to our lady, she'll keep you close to her son.

SPEAKER_07 2:08:33

Really is like a very important aspect of that whole little narrative. There is that John remains close to our lady, and that's why he doesn't run. So, um, gentlemen, this was a banger tonight, man. Two hours and ten minutes together. I can't believe I got you both on on last minute's notice like this.

SPEAKER_02 2:08:51

Um, you guys stopped complaining about reading comments like months ago. Can you stop now? Have I have I finally fulfilled my debt, my endless debt constantly.

SPEAKER_04 2:09:02

You're still in comment purgatory, Josh.

SPEAKER_07 2:09:04

I'll be honest, man. Um, the the the conversations I have with you guys are some of the best I have. So I'm really grateful you both came on. Uh Daniel, where can people find your channel? Tons of people were asking. What's your channel?

SPEAKER_04 2:09:15

Oh, yeah. So check out the video I just put up. Please send it to anyone who's confused, who's open to aliens, because tomorrow could be big. Uh DSD O'Connor. If you look up Daniel O'Connor YouTube, probably come up. There's other Daniel O'Connors, but um, you'll probably notice which one's me.

SPEAKER_07 2:09:31

Um, Josh can be found at Eternal Christendom on YouTube, also eternal Christendom.com. Josh is always looking for uh anybody to help support his apostolate, his mission. And uh from some of the stuff he's telling me that they have coming out, it's going to be pretty amazing. I really, you know, uh, I don't know. I I could all I can tell he can't say some of the stuff publicly yet, but some of the stuff that eternal Christendom has coming down the pike, you guys are gonna be really excited about. So uh is there anything else you guys wanted to promote?

SPEAKER_02 2:10:01

We're a nonprofit and we're under priestly authority, so yeah.

unknown 2:10:05

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:05

Um appreciate it, gentlemen.

SPEAKER_07 2:10:07

Thank you both for coming on such short notice. Thank you for spending the inviting me. Ave Maria, thank you. Yeah, and we uh we actually did pray Hail Mary in the green room before we got started tonight. It was a pretty intense topic. Thanks to Joshua, yeah. So um uh Rob and I will return on Tuesday. We will be doing Pope Pius the ninth's uh syllabus of errors and getting into that time period. I hope you guys go back and check out our series on these papal encyclicals because they are really good. If you enjoyed tonight's show and you like the dynamic of guys just talking back and forth, that's really what that series is. So we hope you guys go check it out and we will see everybody on Tuesday. Thanks. Take us out, Robin.