Benedict XVI and the Mystery of Evil in the Church

The mystery of iniquity is no longer hidden — it's operating in broad daylight. In this full episode, we take the long view on what Scripture, the Church Fathers, and Pope Benedict XVI all warned was coming: the unraveling of the Restrainer, the rise of lawlessness, and the unmasking of evil in our own time.

This isn't a book review. This is a discussion about what 2 Thessalonians 2 actually means for us right now — politically, spiritually, ecclesially. Why does evil seem to operate without resistance? What was Benedict XVI pointing to in his final years? And what is being asked of faithful Catholics who can see what's happening but feel powerless to stop it?

We get into:
• The "mystery of iniquity" — what St. Paul actually meant, and why it matters in 2026
• The Katechon (the Restrainer) — the doctrine almost no one in the modern Church talks about anymore
• Benedict XVI's quiet warnings about the end of days and the apostasy from within
• Why the Secular Forces feel emboldened — and what that tells us about the spiritual battlefield
• What faithful Catholics are called to do when the restraint is lifted

Transcript

Cold Open And Israel Fatigue

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The scourge of anti Semitism must be defeated anywhere and everywhere that it exists. You shouldn't be so anti-Semitic.

The Book That Sparked It

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We should have been missing. Like when we came on screen, we should have been missing. Hold on, hold on. We got we gotta restart, guys. Um, it's funny how we're not really talking about Israel much anymore. You don't hear much, they're they've oh, it's been two episodes. They've lost all their mojo, like nobody's talking about Israel anymore, nobody cares anymore. They're so out of style. Oh man. Um, I've read more in the past two weeks than I think I have in the past two years. Yeah, you've been yes, you've been reading a lot diving into stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:11

Um, yeah, it was all because I'm Bobby in the intro tonight.

SPEAKER_02 1:22

Um Bobby coming to a resume, yeah. Um, yeah, it's like uh I I've had I don't know, I just been reading a lot, and it it's good to get that motor going again. But the what's interesting is that this topic uh we were well, I was first introduced to it uh probably back in 2022. Probably back in 2022. When did we meet Joshua Charles? When was that first episode Josh came on? Do you remember?

SPEAKER_03 1:52

I guess you can look it up. I think it was 2020 late late 22, early 23. No, 20, no, late 23, I think.

SPEAKER_02 2:02

Late 23? Yeah, so the way I met Josh was through Steve Cunningham, and Josh sent me his he Josh wrote a book under a pen name that was never really released to the public. Well, it was it was released under a pen name, which I can't say the title or the or the pen name or anything. Um except maybe on locals, yeah. My yeah, we'll probably we'll spill the beads over on locals. Um, but uh he was he he and I first linked up because I had read this book, and that's what got my uh brain thinking about this stuff. And what was kind of wild about 2023 was like we were in the thick of the Francis chaos. And the reason he released it under a pen name is because there's a lot of speculation in the book. Um, and a lot of like I think that's what we'll wind up talking about tonight over on locals. When we go over to locals tonight, what what I want to get into is more the Benedict lore about this because there was like a book about called the Ratzinger Code that was put out and all this stuff, and it has had has to do with Benedict.

SPEAKER_03 3:16

People never Benedict saying it, but people that that book's author was in my Twitter comments the other day.

SPEAKER_02 3:23

Oh, really? Yeah, he's annoying. So he uh he like kind of stretched out some of the stuff Benedict said to come up with this theory, and a lot of people kind of talk about it how Benedict saw himself as the like the bishop in white and Fatima and stuff. So, like I have my thoughts about that, and I but I don't want to speculate on that stuff on YouTube because it's very it's very speculative and it's very conspiracy theory-ish and stuff like that. So, I mean, I'll give my thoughts to the crazies over on locals, but I don't want to do it here. But um, I did buy uh this book called The Mystery of Evil, Benedict the 16th and the End of Days, um, just because of the last episode we did talking about the catacomb and stuff like that, and it just got my brain going and thinking about this stuff. And then I bought Ticonius's commentary on the apocalypse. And when we started talking about this stuff in 2023, it was pretty shocking. And I remember you not liking it, like you still don't like it. Yeah, you pushed back on me hard on it. Like, I but the more I kind of settle in on it and think about it, it kind of seems like the only way to understand what's happening right now when when we see Sarah Maleley at the Vatican and kind of all this wacky stuff happening, and uh what are we laughing at?

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Ticonius And The Anti-Church

SPEAKER_02 9:44

I love Catherine and Mark, they're awesome. Um, they're really they're they're awesome. So, all right, so the the Ticonius theory is basically Oh, did what now?

SPEAKER_03 9:55

I know what you did. You eat it.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

Yes, yes, yes. Don't bring, don't shine light on it anyway. Um, so the body of the Lord, the church, is falsely recapitulated in the body of the devil, the anti-church, and the right side of the Lord's bipartite body is falsely recapitulated into the left. The false church imitates the true church by preaching Christ, however, it denies Christ by its hatred towards other members of the Lord's body. Each person must be understood by reason of fruit, not percept uh not profession. So just think about what they're saying there. Like you can tell by everything happening right now, especially with the SSPX. Like, you just kind of put that in perspective, right? Like they're how how how welcoming they are to like, dude. We have a Belgian bishop that just came out and said he's going to ordain married men and women. You have the German bishops flying off the handle over there talking about their blessing of same-sex unions.

SPEAKER_03 11:07

Yeah, right.

Prophecy That Brings Peace

COVID As A Dry Run

Benedict On Attacks From Within

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It's just all this stuff seems to only work one way, right? So the anti-church is a fitting designation for the for the devil's body because his body masquerades as the church. For example, Ticonius notes that both the bride of Christ and the Whore of Babylon are adorned with gold, silver, and precious stones. The devil's body imitates the Lord's holy body so that one may be deceived by the similarity of the splendor. Now that's what me and you kind of got because when this idea first starts getting in like introduced to me, I'm I'm looking at the apocalypse and I'm saying, man, like in some way, like the church could be compared to the whore of Babylon with some of the things that that that's happening. And that that sounded like a shocking statement at the time, but it's not that it actually is, it's that it's it's imitating the actual true body of Christ, right? And this pattern is the pattern that was laid out from the beginning. Like you go, and it's not it's also not something that like imminentizes the eschaton either. It's something that like if Ticonius is talking about it in the fourth century, this is something the church has always been contending with. So it's it's just something that as we're watching happen, watching it happen, it's uh it can be unnerving and unsettling, but it's the only way I I mean, I it's just the only way I could see this working out where you look at when our Lord comes, and the the Israel is the Lord's body at that time, and when Christ comes, the body of the devil gathers so much power that they crucify our Lord, and then what happens is the true church comes out of the body of the Lord, but it's Christ that separates that, it's Christ that does that, it's not us that does that, right? Like we're not the ones that get to make that decision. Um, so from beginning to end, Ticones' exposition of the apocalypse is centered on the church, especially its experience of spiritual warfare and tribulation throughout history. Commenting on Revelation 1, 15, he writes, In this book you will find nothing else but internal wars and fires, which God deigned through through his Christ to reveal to his church, so that in the imminent falling away the people of God might know the quantity and quality of the tribulations they must endure throughout so many years. If one does not understand, nevertheless, with the Spirit of God directing, by being aware of and by fleeing the mystery of iniquity, that is, the spirits of wickedness and high places, throughout each of those days, he will avoid the evils and will bear the tribulations both calmly and patiently, and will be tried as gold in a furnace. So it's like you you go back and you think about all the things we've been talking about on this show, right? And we talk about the enmity between the brothers and one, huh? Enmity count one, yeah, yeah, it's gonna happen. Um, you talk about all of the the things we've been talking about on this show for the past two years on how there's this division. You go into the apocalypse, and John talks about the synagogue with those who are those who say they are Jews and are not, but it plays out into us and it becomes those who say they are Catholics and are not, and we're seeing that before us, right? And that that dividing line isn't look, all those stories about the brothers warring, all of those stories about the the the Jews crucifying Christ and the body dividing, all of those run straight down the like the center of every human heart. Like it goes it goes to those who say they are Catholics and are not, and then it goes to you and I, who when you commit mortal sin, you kind of delve into the body of the devil. Oh yeah, right, yeah, for sure. We go back and forth through this, and it goes even to when we did the episode on the mystery in Ephesians. Because what is the mystery of Ephesians? Paul is like anytime you talk about mystery, Paul's getting at, he's talking about the mystery of iniquity, then he's talking about the mystery of Ephesians, how Christ's body, how Jew and Gentile, the dividing wall of hostility, is broken down, and the two then become one in one body. And then, I mean, he's talking about a body and this bipartite body within the Lord made up of Jews and Gentiles. Now, he's not talking about the body of the devil and the body of Christ specifically, but it does kind of play out in that pattern where you're bringing the two into one body. And Ticonius is looking at looking at even in the apocalypse, and he's looking at what jo what where Christ is going to the seven churches and he's talking to one church, and he's like, I have seen your works, and you know, your your your works are good, and I and I and know that I have loved you, and then he goes to the other church and he's like, Your ways are wicked, and he's talking about the same church, like seven churches are not seven separate churches, they're one church within the church, and he's saying, To one, your ways are glorious, and to the other, your ways are wicked. Um, and the thing is, once you kind of understand that Pliconius's position is that the the the desolation of the abomination of desolation is this revelation of the devil's body within the body of the Lord. And when we're watching the things happen in the church, if you understand that all these things were foretold, they they will bring you a sense of peace. Like I we even have a quote from Saint Cyril of Jerusalem. Um, so Saint Cyril of Jerusalem says, We who are of the church seek seek the church's sign. The savior says, and then men will fall away and will betray one another and will hate one another. Saint Cyril says, If you should hear of bishops in conflict with bishops, clergy against clergy, and flock against flock, even unto blood, do not be troubled. It has been prophesied. Fix your attention not on the events themselves, but on the fact that they have been foretold. Like it should bring you peace to know because look, Ticonius is a Donatist, right? He's not ever in communion with the Catholic Church. So it's not like you're reading something that is it's not it's not something that's been expounded by many church fathers where we could say, okay, this is exactly what this means. But the way he's describing this stuff, I don't I don't see another way that it maps out and fits up fits on the way that we're seeing things happen. And it's to the point where when I watch Sarah Maleley in Rome, I'm watching everybody either go to this position of, oh my gosh, he's an anti-pope, or downplaying it like it's absolutely no big deal because, well, he talked about that there's we're not gonna fully be able to come into union. And it's like I I'm looking at it and I'm going, I'm not surprised by this because I expect this to get much worse. And I think I think that we, you know, when you take into account everything we've read in the catechism about the pseudo-messianism coming and that it's gonna shake the faith of many. I I'm really at peace about a lot of this stuff. Um what is this? Uh, the abomination of desolation is the revelation after the interrogation with the initiate. Um, having a real perspective would be understanding the church's history is 2,000 years old, and we are trying to find a pattern in the last no, we're not. That's the point. This pattern lays out throughout the the you're trying to find a pattern in 50 years. How about this? How about you find a pattern in the last five years? How about you look, how about you look to 2020? What happened? And what happens in 2020 is the church teams up with the body of the devil outside the church, and they persecute the church, and they tell us that we should take uh a vaccine that none of us really wanted to take. Like that is what what we're talking about here. We're talking about a tripartite body, it's the but it's really the body of the devil and the body of the Lord, and it's like a Venn diagram that overlaps, and some of the body of the devil is inside of the body of the Lord. And what we're talking about is that that body of the devil grows to grows to a point of power within the church, and it doesn't it doesn't make the whole church an anti-church. It means that the ant like the body of the devil is just growing within the Lord. We are not the ones who decide, oh, you have to pull away from this, but you do have to be aware of the spiritual dangers of some of the things that they're playing with. Um, so the devil attacks the church from within by masquerading as Christ. The false brothers imitate the saints, so their presence within the church is not easily detected. Again, Ticonius identifies the false brothers who belong to the body of the devil as the mystery of iniquity. The devil persecutes the church by means of the mystery of iniquity, with which he could continually ambush. These false brothers are often found among the church's leadership, the bishops. Ticonius's exposition of Revelation 12 to 13 is an exposition of the activity of the body of the devil and its warfare against the church. The beast from the sea is interpreted as the hypocrisy and masquerading of the false brothers more generally, whereas the beast from the land represents false bishops who subtly lead the faithful to abandon Christ and give their allegiance to the devil. Like, what is happening in the church right now? You're talking like look at all of these bishops doing this. Like you're talking about a majority of the bishops are these men at this point. So, what other explanation is there for this? Like, because it's either the sedes are right or or or the Pope's planers are right, and all this stuff is actually good, and we're being we're wrong for thinking it's wrong. Like, I don't know where the other explanation lies, other than what we're seeing is this body of the devil growing powerful in the church. The the thing with with the Pope also if you go to Fatima when our lady says the Holy Father will have much to suffer, like I think in the end, what what the Pope will have to suffer is a lot of it is going to be shame for abandoning our Lord and not and Not proclaiming Christ's teaching with like with clarity and things like that. And I think in the end, the suffering the Pope is going to do is going to be a lot like Peter's suffering, right? Peter was so ashamed after he denies our Lord when they come to him. And I don't think we get a good Pope before this stuff plays out because that's like it takes the resurrection before Peter is restored and Christ goes to him and says, Peter, do you love me three times to restore him? So I don't, I mean, I've had the SEDE say to me that uh this doesn't map out to the passion because Peter's denial of Christ, Peter wasn't the Pope yet, but typology doesn't work as a one-to-one match like that. Like you're seeing how the story plays out, and you're just kind of seeing how how this stuff is happening. And it's it, I mean, I'm I feel like I'm watching the passion happen right before our eyes right now. Um, the mystery of iniquity will be revealed during the final persecution when the false brothers will fall away from the church. In the meantime, however, the saints must tolerate the presence of iniquity in their midst. Even now, the mystery of iniquity is not totally hidden for their identity, for the identity of the false brothers is revealed by their hypocrisy. The false brothers confess Christ with their mouth, but by their actions, they say we follow the devil. Um, when Benedict was asked about Fatima, um, so somebody asked him, Your holiness, what meaning, what meaning do the Fatima apparitions have for us today? Is it possible to your mind to include in that vision the sufferings of the church today for the sins involving sex abuse of minors? And Benedict said, Beyond this great vision of the suffering of the Pope, we can first, we can, in the first place, uh refer to Pope John Paul II. An indication is given of realities involving the future of the church, which are gradually taking shape and becoming evident. So it is true that in addition to the moment indicated in the vision, there is mention of, there is seen the need for a passion of the church, which naturally is reflected in the person of the Pope. Yet the Pope stands for the church, and thus it is sufferings of the church that are announced. The Lord told us that the church would constantly be suffering in different ways until the end of the world. As for the new things which we can find in this message today, there are also the fact that attacks on the Pope and the Church come not only from without, but the sufferings of the church come precisely from within the church, from the sin existing within the church. This too is something that we have always known, but today we are seeing it in a really terrifying way. The greatest persecution of the church comes not from her enemies without, but arises from within the church herself. Like that's Benedict talking about that. I mean, I don't know if if somebody has a better explanation for this stuff, because this is seeing it this way has brought me a lot of consolation in that um, like it's not surprising, like these things were foretold, and that should and and what you should be seeing right now should bring you a bit of peace just knowing that we were told these things would happen. Um it's not really no man's land, that's what I'm trying to say here, right? I it's it's that there is an interpretive key to understand the things that we've been watching, and it's just not comfortable for for people to because I don't I don't know, like I'm watching everybody freak out about this stuff, and I'm kind of just sitting back and I'm saying, yeah, I I expect this stuff to happen. So I don't know, Rob. What do you you still do you still have that reaction to it like you did the first when we first started talking about this stuff?

SPEAKER_03 25:59

Um no, not really.

SPEAKER_02 26:07

Right? It's like it's like when we first because when I first especially that description of how the body of Christ, like the body of the devil, masquerades as the body of Christ, um, and and it's uh and it says uh Ticonius notes that both the bride of Christ and the Hor of Babylon are adorned with gold, silver, and precious stones. This the saints are the gold, silver, and precious stones as the as the mystical body of Christ, but then you kind of see how the whore of Babylon is too because it's spoiled in its wealth and riches and stuff like that. So it's that description matches up on both. And when you when you watch the story play out, not just in the passion, like when you go back through the entire old testament, it's this constant struggle of God talking to Israel, he and he wants to and he wants to cultivate Israel. Israel is my firstborn son, and he loves Israel, and then Israel freaking falls away, and it's just this constant battle of evil within the body. Like God's not chastising the pagans, it's always Israel who is described as the whore, right? Like the like like Jerusalem is the faithless city. It's always it's always his chosen, like the the people of God are the ones who betray him.

SPEAKER_03 27:34

Yeah, I mean, I think that's yeah, yeah, I think that's pretty clear at this point. I mean, how can you not how can you have a whole whole nation of of bishops that uh are completely and you know 100% heterodox and you know and and not have something be incredibly you know wrong within the church?

Why The Church Has Not Defected

SPEAKER_02 28:05

Yeah, but I mean what what's the other option? Is it that the church is defecting? Like, I don't think so. I don't think so at all. I don't think that's how I don't think that's how it works. I think that like when you read in the apocalypse, when when Christ says, come out of her might be come out of her. What what is the actual quote? I I hate misquoting that one.

SPEAKER_03 28:24

Um so you don't hold on, let me pour myself some bourbon. I'll pull it up.

SPEAKER_02 28:36

I gotta hang out. Um Apocalypse 18.4. You want to pull it out? Uh yeah, pull the Dewey Reims out.

SPEAKER_03 28:53

18-4, you said, yeah.

Come Out Of Her My People

SPEAKER_02 28:57

Apocalypse 18-4 and the Dewey Reims. Okay, let me switch over to Dewey Reims. I had it on. You should feel more hope staying with the church. That's the point. Like, this doesn't the stuff we're talking about, it doesn't invalidate the sacraments, it doesn't invalidate priestly orders. What this is why I'm always trying to say find good priests within the body of Christ, because it's not, it's not, it's not like the church has defected and that's it. The novus ordo is a false religion, none of that. Like, this doesn't, it's not like at the council something, something made the church go go uh where it's no longer the church. It's like that is like Benedict is writing about this stuff in 1956 before the council, he understands this before the council. He goes into the council and he's part of the council, he's the one pushing for some of this stuff, and then we come out of the council, and there's and he's the one trying to say, No, no, no, it's not a hermeneutic of rupture, it's a hermeneutic of continuity. And he's trying to get people to say, No, no, no, realize that we're it's not a new church, it's not, and because it's not, it's not a new church, it's that I think the new mass, I think one of the one of the one of the things about the new mass is yeah, we could pick out all the stuff with the altar girls and all the craziness that happens there, but so much about the prayers at the altar in the old missile are the priest like begging God for pardon for his sins and all these different and it's it's getting the priest to like dulling down the language of um of hell and damnation in the new mass is meant it's like a trick the devil played to get all of us to like our consciences to be dulled a little bit and not be so aware of the severity of the punishment for sin, and for priests specifically, right? So then now the priests go in and they're saying the new mass, and if they're not very um very proactive about their prayer life, about their spiritual life, because the mass itself is such a deep prayer when you're praying it in the traditional form that when you come to the Novus Ordo, if a priest isn't praying, you know, his his daily office and then making sure he spends time with God, it's one of those things where just you'll just get a little bit of a dulling to your spiritual life, and you won't be as aware of how severely God treats sin. I mean, what that's one of the craziest things about since the council is we've the church has basically made God all mercy and no justice, and and that is the dangerous part because we think nothing, you hear this constant talk about oh, the sins of the flesh are no big deal. And it's like, Our lady, how many times did our lady warn us that sins of the flesh lead people to hell? And and and sins of the flesh aren't as bad as sins of the heart, but sins of the flesh lead to sins of the heart. So if you are committing sins of the flesh, it hardens your heart, and then you commit sins of the heart. So that is the real danger. And it doesn't mean the mass is invalid, it doesn't mean orders are invalid, none of that. That's the church has the authority to change the way the liturgy is celebrated. The church has the authority to change the way ordinations are done, how the sacraments are performed. The church has that authority. If you want it, we could talk about like people could act like those changes were made. It's kind of crazy. Like, who else has the the ability and the authority to do it? But what it has done is allowed it for this body of the devil to grow more powerful within the church because most of our priests are not as spiritually aware as they once were. Now, the body of the devil's always existed within the church, there's always been this. Ticonius is dealing with it in the fourth century, so there's always been this, and you see it in the lives of the saints specifically. When you when you look at the life of Padre Pio and what the hierarchy does to Padre Pio, and that's before the council, right? So you're seeing you're seeing that the the the church is persecuting her own. So seeing into the life of Padre Pio is kind of like a a glimpse into what's going to happen at the end of time. And when you look at what the church did during COVID, I think that was like a complete dry run of what we're going to see towards the end. Like whenever that, but um, bring up Apocalypse uh 18.4. Okay, you got it.

SPEAKER_03 33:16

Apocalypse 18.4. And I heard another voice from heaven saying, Go out from her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and the Lord hath remembered her iniquities.

Akita Warning And Matthew 23

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Now, if you go back and you read all the prophets, like look at look at the things our bishops are playing with right now, right? The things our bishops are playing with right now, the things that they're they're they're they're like playing footsie with evil. I mean, you have you have all like the old they masquerade is Christ by pretending they care for the poor and the and the outcast by going for something like immigrants. And in that way, they they preach Christ with their mouths, but they don't they don't believe it, right? That's such an easy one, such low-hanging fruit. They can still be in with their liberal social clubs. It's like it's it's such a uh it's such an easy way to pretend. Remember what they said about Francis, how he had like that that um that that uh he it was almost like he was able to mimic humility, like it was like a false humility he had about him. That people would would come across Francis and they would be like uh his superiors before he became like the the head of the Jesuits actually had made comments about him like that, that he was able to uh he had a false humility about him to make it seem as and people will always say, Oh, he's just like Jesus, he's just like Jesus, right? That was all we heard about Francis when he came out. But that verse that we just read, it's it's about it it's about what happens in the first century, right? When Jesus tells the the those who who were part of Israel and the body back then, come out of her, my people, so you don't partake in her blasphemies because they reject Christ the Messiah, and it's something that's going to play out for us again. It's those who say they are Catholics and are not, and we see it everywhere. And um, the that's a yeah, the church does need to be visible to the world because look, the the the thing the thing about CETA's is they love to critique the Novus Ordo, but if you critique their position, they freak out because it's so untenable. Like the idea that there's been no pope for 70 years, and we talked about that in the show when we we talked about the cardinal manning stuff, it's like if the pope is really removed, that is the the the the antichrist comes. Like the it's the church and the pope in his person that are the restrainer of antichrist. So if the novus ordo sect was not a real church, like that is the antichrist is here. I'm sorry, there's no there's no like period of time that goes after that. Then so even in the pope's weakness right now, like you see how he handled the Sara Maleley thing, you saw how he handled the gay blessings thing last week, right? It's like you can you can pull it out so it's it's not horrific, better than what Francis would have done, yeah. But it's still but he's it's still not what you would want, but he's still restraining this evil in some way, right? I mean, if it was up to these men, you know they want to ordain women, you know they want to like the like you see it everywhere. The German bishops want it, this Belgian bishop wants it. They all want to ordain women, they want to bless gay people, they want to give themselves over to the devil so badly. These men, these men, they the men that hate tradition, like the bishops who hate tradition, they hate Catholicism. They don't they don't just hate liturgy, they hate the Catholic faith. It it makes the the reason they keep trying to rehabilitate Judas is because they think by rehabilitating the him, they will escape damnation themselves for betraying our Lord. But every one of them are betraying our Lord, and they are going to be it would be better that they never been born. And and like the approach we take to this, the approach we take to this has to be like Saint John, right? So, like Saint John, what is Saint John doing during the passion? Like he's not he's not freaking out like Peter does, he's not, he just stays next to our lady and next to our lord through the whole thing. And when you get into um when you get into Akita, we gotta we gotta talk about Akita real quick. Um because this is this is this is something we gotta talk about. So on October 13th, October 13th, 1973, the 56th anniversary of the miracle of the son of Fatima, our Lady of Akita delivered an even more startling message focused on the church. So this is our lady speaking. As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will ne one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priest nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the rosary and the sign left by my son. Each day recite the prayers of the rosary. With the rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops, and the priests. The work of the devil will infiltrate even into the church in such a way that that one will see cardinals opposing cardinals, bishops against bishops. The priests who venerate me will be scorned and opposed by their con by their confreres. Churches and altars sacked, the church will be full of those who accept compromises, and the demon will press many priests and consecrated souls to lead the service of the Lord. The demon will be especially implacable against souls consecrated to God. The thought of the loss of so many souls is the cause of my sadness. If sins increase in number and gravity, there will no longer be pardon for them. This good this what our lady is doing in Fatima and in Nikita is exactly what Jesus is doing in Matthew 23. Okay, so Jesus in Matthew 23. Let me pull it up.

SPEAKER_03 39:34

Um Matthew 23.

SPEAKER_02 39:37

Yeah. Um verse 13. Uh, but woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut the kingdom of heaven against men, for you neither enter yourselves nor allow those who would enter to go in. Like, think about Jesus saying this to our current hierarchy, because they shut the door to the kingdom of heaven for all men and for themselves. Um woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for you devour devour widows' houses, and for a pretense you make long prayers, therefore you will receive the greater condemnation. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for you traverse sea and land to make a single proselyte. And when he comes, when he come when he becomes a proselyte, you make him twice as much as a child of hell as yourselves. Woe to you, blind guides, who say, if anyone swears by the temple, it is nothing, but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath. You blind fools, for which is greater the gold, or the temple that has made the gold sacred. And you say, if anyone swears by the altar, it is nothing. But if anyone swears by the gift that is on the altar, he is bound by his oath. You blind men, for which is greater, the gift on the altar that makes the gift that makes the gift sacred, or the altar that makes the gift sacred. So he see, so he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. He who swears by the temple swears by it and everything that dwells in it. Um, woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites for you. All right, well, I want to get to where he actually talks about. Um all right, so woe to you scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites for you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead men's bones and uncleanness. So you so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but within are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you build the all right. Where is it? Okay, so here it is. Uh, you serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you going to escape damnation? Therefore, I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom will kill you and crucify, uh, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of the innocent Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of uh Barakiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and altar. Truly I say to you, all this will come upon this generation, O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you. How often I would have gathered you children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not. Behold, your house is forsaken and desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. This is our lady in Fatima. Telling the church, if you do not repent, you have a you have a little period of time left. I'm holding back my son's hand of wrath. Like I am holding back God's anger and judgment upon you right now. Penance, penance, penance, pray your rosary, offer acts of penance. We didn't listen. And this is what happens in the world. I mean, I don't I don't even want to get into like a whole Fatima thing, but it's like that's what our lady is doing in Fatima. She's giving us the same speech Christ gives the Pharisees in Matthew 23, calling us whitewashed tombs, especially the hierarchy. The hierarchy, you like they're they're just whitewashed tombs, the things that they that that that they say. Oh, we have to care for the poor and the immigrant. You wear these, you wear, you wear the you know, you want the place of high honor, and you want to go sit with all your liberal politicians and stuff. And this stuff is just playing out in our own time. So I think I think we should, I would, I want to get into the um the Benedict lore because I want to talk about when when when Josh sent me this book, it was like what we were watching Benedict do, and then start and like he was preparing us with the Ticonia stuff right before he does it. It's just like I don't know, it's hard to it's hard to not see what what what happened under Francis. So I don't want to do it over here though. We'll do it over there. Garabendal, uh Garabendal. Depends on how long one seer lives. She assumes real eight days before something happens. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 44:08

They're arguing what apparitions are real or not.

Taking Speculation To Locals

SPEAKER_02 44:12

The thing is, Fatima and Akita. Um, well, Fatima is like the most widely accepted apparition of all time. And Akita, Pope Benedict even said Our Lady is just reiterating what she said in Fatima, which is interesting because, like in Fatima, the third secret, supposedly, what they revealed, doesn't talk about a crisis in the church hierarchy like that. And Akita does. So if it's just reiterating that message, like I don't know. So we're gonna, I want to go over to the other side. I want to read a little bit from this mystery of evil, the Benedict the 16th and the end of days. And I want to get into a little bit of the of the of how Benedict saw himself. I want to talk about Francis a little bit because man, some of the man, we forget, we forget how wild the Francis days were. It's just like we forget how crazy COVID was. But even when you do you remember the Ubi et Orby? Yeah, during COVID. During COVID, even everybody, like in in just like generic church circles, were like this is like reminiscent of Fatima, where the church is walking through the city. And and if you look at it spiritually, what happened to the church? Well, let's do it on the other side because I don't want to get into too much over here because people are gonna accuse me of things. And what we're gonna talk about is gonna be very speculative. Um, and I don't want it to be uh like it's not it's not like I I hold those I hold the views we're gonna talk about very loosely. So I don't, it's not, you know, I'm gonna give some like thoughts I've had about it, and it's but I don't hold to them tightly. It's more just kind of man, this is this is kind of wild how you see some of this stuff spiritually. Um, but all right, so we're gonna head over to the other side. If you guys are not locals members, that's where uh we typically have most of the fun. Did we have anything else we were gonna talk about on locals tonight? No, Rob, you're really like I gotta tell you.

SPEAKER_03 46:17

Oh, uh there well, we have the no, we got nothing to talk about.

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Sorry.

SPEAKER_03 46:27

Um, you sent me uh something.

SPEAKER_02 46:30

I have um the I have you know what BX. Well, before we even go, I actually had a um I had a tweet from Catholic Esquire who I who I like a lot. Um, so I don't want this to be a knock to him. Um but you oh well we there's a there's a there's a couple of things, but what he said um to somebody, so somebody had said, as someone who thinks the TLM is vastly superior to the Novusordo and who would wish nothing more than the TLM to become the ordinary right again, I have a question that bothers me. Why didn't the widespread TLM and reverence prevent the so-called Vatican II spirit and heterodoxy? And if it didn't, why do we think the widespread use of the TLM now would be able to solve the current apostasy? And Catholic Esquire said the answer is uh simply because simply celebrating the TLM doesn't overcome the root of the problem, which is doctrinal. The doctrinal errors of Vatican II and New Mass, you have to address the root of the problem, otherwise, nothing will change in the long run. The root of the problem is not doctrinal, the root of the problem is men's hearts. Like, that's what we because we had the doctrine and the mass before the council. Men's hearts have grown cold to our Lord. Men, like you think about the amount of pressure, and that's not a knock to him because I don't disagree with him. Like, it is a doctrinal problem, but if you got some super based pope in instead of Leo at this last conclave, I I don't I don't know what you think that would have played out like. Do you really think a super based pope, like a Pope Leo the thirteenth, comes in and he just starts going, boom, we're doing this, we're doing this, we're doing that. Like, what do you think that looks like? Uh, I think it looks like JP1. Yeah, 100%. That's exactly what it looks like. They these men in this body of the devil have amassed too much power. That's why Benedict, when he takes the papacy, his first speech is pray that I do not run for fear of the wolves. He understands what he is dealing with. He's it's like the if you got the great if you got the greatest candidate out of every single cardinal there, they're not coming in and revamping the church back to before the council. It's just not happening. Like it's a it it it you're talking back to the days of poisoning the pope. Like it's just this thing isn't getting fixed by a pope, it's too far gone. Like the men's hearts have grown way too cold. These men under Francis really gained momentum and saw themselves as oh, we're back and we're going to just get like we jp2 and Benedict tried to contain this thing the best they could. There's no containing this at this point, and Leo is not even attempting to contain it. He's trying like he is, he's trying to like slow it down and try to give like borders by which to understand Francis a little bit, but he's not correcting things, he's just kind of trying to find like a kind of a uh an orthodox way to to to view the Francis papacy, and but he's still continuing on with synodality, he's still continuing like this stuff isn't stopping. So, um yeah, I want I want to go to the other side. I want to talk a little bit more about Benedict because that resignation, man. Interesting. That's all I'll say. So we're gonna do it over there. Uh, yeah, you guys join us over there. We're gonna give we're gonna give them uh all the conspiracy stuff tonight. And then we do have I do have uh I want to do the Ed Penton story, and uh I think I sent you something else too. So we got we got a show over there. Oh, we'll see you guys uh on the other side.

SPEAKER_03 50:17

Um let's see, what do I want to play here? We have so many videos in the system now, it's stupid.

SPEAKER_02 50:35

Oh, yeah, we're gonna we're gonna dox Joshua Charles's book on the other side like we doxed Bobby at the beginning of this episode.

SPEAKER_03 50:40

You weren't supposed to say that. Black monk rosaries, you can prey on them during mass.