Pelican Plus: Paywalls And Pipe Dreams

We hit “end stream” by accident, recover on the fly, and end up exactly where our audience likes us most: the messy intersection of Catholic media, online tribalism, and the money that quietly shapes it all. If you’ve ever wondered why some Catholic platforms feel like they appear overnight and disappear just as fast, we walk through the incentives and the mistakes that make that outcome predictable.

From there, we give the full story of why we refused to join Pelican Plus. We talk through the pitch meeting, the investor math, the promised salaries, the equity and control split, and the biggest structural problem: pushing creators behind a paywall while starving the public channels that actually drive growth. We also get into why “all Catholic app” marketing can be misleading if the tech, overhead, and incentives are not transparent, and why you should never hand over an audience you spent years building.

We zoom out into the Catholic creator economy: why the outrage fueled model worked during the height of controversy, why it’s fading, and what actually has a future. We share ideas for evangelization content that can break out of the echo chamber, and we’re honest about the practical side too: day jobs, pensions, health insurance, and why most creators should treat content as a serious side gig unless the fundamentals are rock solid. Subscribe, share this with a friend who follows Catholic media, and leave a review with your take: what’s the biggest red flag you look for before you trust a new platform?

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Transcript

Stream Mishap And Online Rivals

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Um he wants to be the number one enemy of set of accommodation, and I can't think of of who else would be number one, and he might very well have achieved it.

SPEAKER_02 0:25

So someone says, see, this is why I pay these guys.

SPEAKER_01 0:30

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, how do I join the new live stream? Wait.

SPEAKER_03 0:34

What do you mean you're on the new live stream? I got it, I got it, I got it, I got it. I can't what a what a butcher job you did on the end of that show.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

Are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_02 0:43

So for you you if you guys don't know stream yard, and obviously you don't. There is an end stream button, which is what we press at the end of the stream, right? And you can choose an outro for it to play when you hit end stream. But in the middle of the stream, when we switch over to locals, I don't end the stream. I manually remove the other destinations beside locals. Tonight I accidentally clicked end stream.

SPEAKER_03 1:11

Um yes, that is Tommy's voice. No. The um dude, I can't first off, I I don't ever check out what these idiots are doing, but I saw uh Sede Picante had him on the other day, and I just clicked on it. In the first like 10 minutes of their show, they're just obsessing on me. They're like, dude is crashing out. I don't understand what he's doing. He's made himself the number one enemy of Sede Vicante. So I'm like, you're like faced sweet. I love it. They got me to crash out once. Now they're just crashing out themselves. He's the he's done, they're terrified of me. They're like, it's it is kind of funny.

SPEAKER_02 1:58

So um man, it was only it was only uh what the indictment for the Splc. The SPLC is the is paid the guy, paid a guy who set up the Unite the Right event in Charlottesville. Of course, of course, dude.

SPEAKER_03 2:16

All of that stuff is all of that stuff is nonsense. Oh man, all of that stuff is just like uh that was all like that's I was talking to Kale about this today, just uh uh about how like America, all of this money that we've like, we are masters at fomenting revolution where we want, or sewing division where we want. Like we've mastered how to like put money in the right places to fund a movement and get the movement to do a stupid thing, and like the like the riots in uh Iran in January.

SPEAKER_02 2:55

Um yeah, yeah, even that, like that was all uh Mossad and CIA.

Schism Anger And Sede Critiques

Why We Skipped Pelican Plus

SPEAKER_03 3:02

Uh Anthony is the number one enemy to for for uh to leaving the church, guys. We just have to infiltrate the FPLC and make it base right wing again. I here's the thing with the SEDA's nobody confronts them, like none of the other Catholic podcasters confront them. They all just like it's almost like they're afraid of them because they saw that one debate on Pints with um the uh the Diamond Brothers and Castman and like the uh one of the whoever whichever one of them it was, like annihilated Casmin. And people think they have such amazing arguments, they don't really have good arguments, like they've all read the same three or four things, and not just that, like they've memorized certain things from councils, is what they've done, and they have it and they have a way to make it appear like there's a contradiction somewhere, but none of them ever get to the heart of the argument, which is how does that invalidate orders and like none of that because none of that the church has always tolerated a little bit of error and things like that, like it just has, and and the thing is the reason they have such a spirit, uh like most of them, not all of them, obviously. The reason so many of them have this spirit of hostility and anger is because schism is is uh uh uh it it's a it's the sin of charity, right? Like the refusal to remain united to your brothers is a sin of charity. That's where that that comes from. So they do have they they they do have a lack of charity amongst them, and that's why they schism. They want a perfect church, they want a pure church, they have a Donatist spirit about them. So it's like you start calling them out on stuff like that. You say, like Phil Gonzalez, Sadie Picante, Tommy, all of them, they're just they have this rotten thing. Like Tommy was talking about how for eight weeks during Lent, he was all he was doing was trying to get me to crash out. It's like that's how that's how you spent your during Lent? You spent your eight weeks of Lent trying to get me to crash out. Like that's that's how you spent your Lent. And look, he looks like he looks like he gained some weight, little fat ass. Constantly a little fat. He's like skinny fat. He's like uh he's skinny fat, Tommy, I think. During Lent, gaining weight. Chubby little shit. Anyway, so anyway, um Oh my gosh. This is why you guys pay for locals. Um, Pelican Plus, man. So now that Kennedy's gone, like I'm just gonna I'm gonna tell you guys why Rob and I didn't join. Um because I that that that that project is done. That project is totally done. There is no salvaging it at this point, and right me and Rob knew that was coming. Like from the day I met them and heard their pitch, I knew months, months the most. This thing doesn't last one year. And when I went to their pitch meeting, and Dan 70 started pitching the numbers at me, and he's like, Well, if we have this many subscribers by this month, but dude, they tried to convince me and Rob that we would be millionaires because we would be co-founders in the company, owning a 10 stake in five years, we would be millionaires, and we'd be worth 1.5 million. And I'm just listening to this guy, and I'm like, what? Like, I'm like, where are you in? Like, where are you getting these numbers from? Like, where are you getting these? This guy's talking like daily wire numbers, so I'm like, I'm like, okay, how much investment money do you have?

SPEAKER_02 7:11

Because I'm thinking because they said it we they needed to start with 10 investors investing a hundred thousand each, so one million, right?

SPEAKER_03 7:20

But be dude, listen, I gotta tell you like some. Yeah, yeah, I gotta tell you some of my conversations before we even went on. I only went on this meeting because I was under the impression Dan Seven was wealthy and he was putting his money behind this thing because Dan Seveni owns Samptus Ranch and he's a successful millionaire businessman. And I'm talking with him on the phone, and he's talking about all these ideas he has, and I'm like, I'm like, listen, if I had the money behind me, like I have several ideas for shows that I think would be really successful, and I pitch him like three or four show ideas and not commentary shows. Like I had show ideas, things that I thought would be very beneficial to evangelization for showing trads in a good light, things like that. Like I had real ideas. He's like, Yeah, that sounds amazing. We could do this, and we could do that, and he's talking it up. And I'm like, This guy must have a couple million. Like, I'm thinking there's three million in investment coming into this thing, and I go there and I'm like, All right, so how much money do you actually have behind this thing? And he's like, Well, none. I'm like, wait, what? He's like, Well, we're only going to allow for 10 investors at 100,000 each because we don't want to give more than 2% stake in the business to anybody, so it's like he's gonna offer 2% stake in the company for a hundred thousand dollar investment, and I'm like, who the in their right mind would do this?

SPEAKER_02 8:51

And the answer was uh no one.

SPEAKER_03 8:53

Well, maybe maybe one or two. I think there was maybe one on board, one or two who probably are disgusted and furious right now and probably going to sue him. Um, probably, I don't know, allegedly. I don't know how the hell you want to say this. Um, so the uh the pitch he gives us and he tells us, and he's got he's like, he's he's like, well, we don't have well, theoretically, we're gonna allow 10 in. And I'm just like, you guys don't know streaming at all. Like, none of none of you guys know streaming. Like, first off, like me, Kennedy, and Dr. Kwaznevsky, like my Rob and I, Kennedy and Dr. Kwaznevsky are the only people with actual um profit, paid subscribers, paid subscribers. Okay, you're bringing Nick Cavazzos in, you're bringing um what was his name? Tim Flanders, Tim Flanders and Dr. Um Ed Schaefer from the cool ed Schaefer, right? Nick Cavazzos makes zero money podcasting, zero. Like he might have had like 500 bucks a month coming in from um Patreon or something, something like that.

SPEAKER_02 9:55

But like well, a few hundred from Oz.

The Pitch Deck Math Problem

SPEAKER_03 9:59

He he had like nothing, he wasn't monetized, like Nick Cavazzos made no money doing podcasting. Uh Tim Flanders was severely in the red. I've watched what Tim Flanders did with um with 1 Peter 5, he destroyed it and meaning of Catholic and Meaning of Catholic. Tim Flanders destroyed Meaning of Catholic and 1 Peter 5. Eric Salmons, like does he not have a fiduciary obligation to the investors of crisis to make sure the investment in 1 Peter 5 works? Like, I don't understand how that works. Like, how do you go and spend a quarter million on 1 Peter 5 and then just flush it down the toilet? The podcast, the the everything, like it just Tim Flanders did nothing with it. He he does an audio podcast occasionally on 1 Peter 5. Now, I don't I think he does the audio thing once in a while on 1 Peter 5 because Dan Seven won't let him do anything outside of Pelican Plus, yeah. Like that's that's what I think. Um, so I'm like right from the back, I'm just like I'm talking to Dan Seveny, and he and I'm just like, this is just this is just nonsense. Like this is just a pipe dream. They had no game plan for investing whatsoever. Like, there's no game plan for um for uh uh advertising, yeah, marketing of any kind whatsoever. He puts Kennedy behind the paywall, he puts Dr. Kwaznsky behind the paywall, it puts all these guys behind a paywall, and none of these guys are allowed to do anything publicly anymore.

unknown 11:31

Dr.

SPEAKER_03 11:32

Kwaznski's YouTube channel gone. Kennedy Hall's YouTube channel gone. And I'm like, the whole like the whole point of him wanting us to come there was I was like, well, we would move our local show over to Pelican Plus, but we want to keep our YouTube channel and be able to do our YouTube thing because that's how you advertise the after show.

SPEAKER_02 11:52

Like that's how you advertise, especially if you don't put any money to advertising.

SPEAKER_03 11:58

It's like, how are you getting who the hell even knows about Pelican except for super trad nerds? How are you getting people to come over to Pelican when you tell all of your creators you're not allowed to do anything that's not behind the paywall? And then every single thing you put out publicly, you put out as a five-minute clip, and Dan Seven he's got to be in it. Yep. Like, what is that? Like, what is that? Like, I would have never agreed to do any of those panels. I'd be like, I'm not doing anything publicly with that. Like, so we would have had to move our entire locals platform over to Pelican Plus. We would be freaking at war with Dan 70 right now to get our locals platform back because Dan Seven would have had rights to our locals platform, and he was promising. He's promising. So you got me, Kennedy, Dr. K, Ed Schaefer, Flanders, and Nick Cavazzos. We're what uh that's what six or seven of us? Six of us? Me, you, Nick, Kennedy, Dr. K.

SPEAKER_02 13:02

I think with with Dan, there was nine of us total.

SPEAKER_03 13:06

Uh nine, no, but eight, right? And then Dan Dan has 85 control, six, and we were or or sixty percent control, and we were whacking up 40 between the eight of us, right? And he has no board that he has to answer to or anything, he's got 60 control of this thing, and we would have had the without putting any money in that that that's what without putting any of his own money in.

SPEAKER_02 13:32

That that's that I mean, in the in the end, like there's a lot of reasons, but in the end, like that sealed it for you and I. When we look through all the numbers and we realize you have the 10 investors that each you know, that's like 10. You have the all the content creators that get like 40 total, yeah, like five percent each we were getting or something, right?

SPEAKER_03 13:51

Exactly. And me and Rob had to split it, me and Rob had to split it. Yeah, so it was like Nick Cavazos was getting five percent, me and Rob were getting two and a half percent each. Ed Schaefer was getting five percent, me and Rob are getting two and a half percent. And I'm like, you freaking moron. First off, you should be offering me and Rob 25 each if you want us to come there. Like, we're the only ones who will bring anybody over there because we would be promoting it, and I am like I am good at one thing, it's promotion. Like, I know how to I know how to get a tweet to go viral. I know how to like that's what you're you're getting me there for, and you want me to split our five percent between like avoiding Babylon comes as a unit, not individually me and I was like, this guy is smoking crack.

SPEAKER_02 14:32

So when we realize it's like so the person who is gonna control 60 of the business and of the profit isn't putting any money in, isn't putting any subscribers in, isn't a content creator, so is not creating content. What is he doing to get 60?

SPEAKER_03 14:49

It's it was just so freaking insane, like it was just so insane. So I we leave there, and I I call Rob right away, and I'm like, because Rob left before me, and I get home the next day and I'm just like, dude, I've known a lot of bullshit artists in my life, and that guy is a bullshit artist. And so me and Rob decided right away, we're like, ah, we're not doing this. So now comes the phone call. I gotta call him, and I'm just like, Dan, I don't want to do this. Like, I'm not doing this. Then he puts out their first promotional material and avoiding Babylons all over their promotional material, yes. And I'm like, what the hell? What is what is going on here? He I called him and he was like, Well, I'm gonna have Kennedy call you. Kennedy never called me, so I don't know what Dan told Kennedy, I don't know what Dan told anybody.

SPEAKER_02 15:38

Do you remember what we found about what uh Dan was trying to start between you and me?

SPEAKER_03 15:44

Dan then tells somebody behind the scenes that I was asking him for more money than because I left early, so yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:54

That that apparently Anthony is asking Dan to increase his.

SPEAKER_03 15:58

Yeah, and I'm angling to get more money than I'm like, there is no money, there is nothing. What are you doing? Like, what is this even about?

SPEAKER_02 16:06

I was like, I was like, are you joking me? And then and then he told me. Me and Ann talked about money one time on day one, and all we said was 50 50, and we've never had to discuss it since then.

Paywall First Marketing Last

SPEAKER_03 16:16

He then he then tells the other creators that we um we were trying to to to ruin the whole thing, like we were we were like trying to undermine the whole project. So that's why we when we came out of there, I said, Rob, I don't want to discuss this, I don't want to mention them. I don't want I don't ever want them to say they failed because we we trashed the thing. Like I never wanted anybody to say like the reason it wasn't successful is because avoiding Babylon, we're out there and tarnishing our name or anything. So I was like, just don't mention it. Like, we'll just just just say we just weren't interested. It wasn't a good fit for us, so that's what we came out saying. Like, it wasn't a good fit for us. That's all. Wasn't a good fit, and we, you know, we kept you know, we made like inside jokes to you guys here and there, and like you know, the flamingo minus thing, but like we never first of I still like all those guys, like I like Kennedy Hall a lot, I like Tim Flanders, I like Nick Cavazzas. Oh, I tried to talk to Nick Cavazzas before he went, and I said, Nick, these are my these, these are my worries, this is why I don't want to go. And I told Nick, Nick, I think you're making a mistake getting involved over there. Nick didn't listen, and he went there anyway, and Nick worked there for months and never got paid a dollar. Adrian, too. Like, oh, the I saw what Dan was doing, he was running on fumes, and my I thought this was my theory was that he was in trouble with the ranch and he was trying to get all of us to come over and start this platform, and he thought he could milk enough money out of this thing to save the ranch because he was in trouble with investors at the ranch, and that's what I saw it as from the beginning. I just saw it as this I saw it as a pyramid scheme and a scam for him to try and salvage his other thing. And I'm like, this guy is no good, like this guy, I didn't I got a bad feeling from him from the second I met him. I didn't trust him, he just seemed like a shady guy. I can't believe I'm saying all this.

SPEAKER_02 18:17

What's what's irked me lately is like they'll put out uh tweets about how you know if you want to get away from the platforms that are you know owned by you know non-catholic or anti-Catholics and stuff, you need to go to Pelican Plus for the you know the the all the all Catholic uh exclusive app, and they're not telling anyone that it's not a Catholic app that they pay Doug Wilson's company a few thousand dollars a month.

SPEAKER_03 18:47

They would pay like 30 grand a month for the software to Doug Wilson, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:51

To to the to the guy that wants to prohibit Eucharistic processions in public.

SPEAKER_03 18:56

Well, the thing, the thing, okay. So with Nick also, like I know Nick had his heart set on doing a political show, and his whole thing was he was gonna go over to Pelican and start a political show. And I'm like, like, this is this was me talking to to Dan while we were there, and I'm like, that's not going to work. I'm like, Nick, people like Nick's fiery takes on the church, like that's why people nobody's Nick is not known for political stuff, so putting a political show starting from scratch with no audience for Nick and giving Nick the same. So he he was telling us we were all gonna make sixty thousand dollars each salary per year, plus what we already make on our paid portion. So, like me and Rob, whatever we make on locals, we'll still get that. Plus, he's gonna give us sixty thousand dollar salary. And I'm looking at the numbers, I'm going, where are you getting this sixty thousand dollars from?

SPEAKER_02 19:50

And don't forget, he all his favorite saying, What was his favorite saying? Money is fake. Money is fake, is what he kept saying.

SPEAKER_03 20:00

Yeah, if that's not a Jewish saying, I don't know what it is. He's and he's telling us so Nick Cavazos is getting 60,000 a year, Tim Flanders is getting sixty thousand dollars a year, Kennedy Hall is getting sixty thousand, Ed Schaefer's getting sixty thousand. Me and Rob got a split sixty thousand. And I'm like, What?

SPEAKER_02 20:16

Like, if you want to know what's insane like where the real reason why the collegium failed, it's because of this, it's because of Pelican.

SPEAKER_03 20:24

Because of Pelican, because the collegium went over to Pelican, and Dan 70 probably bled them dry. Like this guy, I don't care. I don't care. I don't, I don't mean I'm I'm guessing at all this stuff, it's all alleged. I don't know any of the real things that happened. I'm guessing at all of this, like you know, for like lawsuit purposes. I can only tell you my impression of the man.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

I wouldn't worry about lawsuits. Dan's got enough of those on his team, apparently.

SPEAKER_03 20:48

Like, my impression of the man was just this guy is one shady MFR, man.

SPEAKER_02 20:56

He is a shady guy, and well, he then I started he made his money, whatever he had, doing this exact same strategy with uh state farm insurance agencies, you know, independent state farm insurance agencies.

SPEAKER_03 21:13

Yeah, so I saw I saw Nick left first. Like I was saying behind, I'm like, this thing has maybe whatever. So, like, let's say they got one and one or two in say they got two investors at 100,000 a pop, whatever they have that you're talking 30 grand a month for the program, the software, and then how are you paying people? Like, I didn't think he would make payroll on month one. Like, there's no way you're making payroll. So basically, he gets Kennedy. Nick never got paid. So he gets Kennedy to bring his his stuff over to Pelican. He gets Dr. K to bring his stuff over to Pelican. Now Dan's collecting their money. Are they getting paid? I don't know. I don't see how. Dan's got costs, he's got overhead, he's got to run his overhead. Well, like, and I get I just saw. That happening. Like, I saw him going, well, you know, we got to wait till we get this thing off the ground, and you know, there's overhead right now. And I'm saying, there's no way I'm risking this thing we built over to the hands of somebody else to have 60% control. Like, no, it's just absurd.

SPEAKER_02 22:15

Imagine being one of Kennedy's subscribe substack subscribers through this whole thing. Imagine the pain that's been.

SPEAKER_03 22:23

Imagine being one of the uh lifetime membership people at Pelican that you're you're a you're one of those investors that paid like five grand to get into ground floor for a lifetime membership.

SPEAKER_02 22:35

Yeah, that was offered because he didn't get his 10 investors, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 22:39

Found a founders membership, he called it. And it was like five grand to be a founders member, and you were gonna help the and he probably got a bunch of those too. And those people that paid five grand to be a founders member, and they what Kennedy's already gone after what three months, four months? Like, when did we go there?

SPEAKER_02 22:58

Uh it launched October 7th. So October to November, December. Yeah, we went second. February, March, April. Six months.

SPEAKER_03 23:07

Six months. Imagine you imagine you jumped in as a founding member.

SPEAKER_02 23:12

And it lasts six months, it lasts six months.

SPEAKER_01 23:22

I just you get the exclusive book by the founders. You get an exclusive book by the founders.

SPEAKER_03 23:31

Oh man. Yeah, think about it. Like, how many how many paying members could they have? I'll tell you, like Rob Rob, how many, how many, how many paid members do we have on locals?

SPEAKER_02 23:44

Uh we we've been around 1,300 now for a few months.

SPEAKER_03 23:47

Around 1,300, right? If we moved to Pelican, half of that would go with us. That's just how this works. Half. So 600 for us. So let's say Dr. K had like 2,000. Let's say he had more than us. He had 2,000 paid members.

SPEAKER_02 24:03

We were told he had seven. I don't know. We had 7,000.

Control Splits And Salary Promises

SPEAKER_03 24:06

No, we had 7,000 Substack subscribers, but now how many of those are paid? I don't know. Very big difference in Substack has a free version and a paid version. I'm sure he has 7,000 Substack members. I don't think anywhere near that are paid. Could be. I don't I just don't think that I'm not not from Dr. K. It's just I don't think he has anywhere near that many. He probably has Chia probably he was probably the biggest one. He had 2,000 paid members. Kennedy, uh I would, I mean, dude, I can't imagine he had more than us. Maybe around a thousand. I mean, I don't know. I'm just guessing, but around a thousand. So you're looking at us all having our subscribers going over to Pelican, and then we have to subsidize Dr. uh Schaefer, Tim Flanders, and Nick Cabazos on half the membership money coming in, and he doubles the price of the like. So, you guys, we were like, guys, get a lifetime now because we may be going over there, and that's gonna jump. So, he was telling us, he's like, Oh, we're gonna like a Dr.

SPEAKER_02 25:08

K has 17,000 total subscribers, and I that's what someone's saying. And I'm thinking, well, they're saying about 10 paid. I maybe I don't know. Uh why would anyone pay for the 3,000th article on the advantages of the pre-55?

SPEAKER_03 25:26

I mean, I'm not trying to be mean, but this pretty pretty fair point. He has 17,000 now. Um, look, I'm not saying Dr. K is not popular, but I don't know. I don't, you know, he I mean he has 17,000 um uh substack members. We have 80,000 YouTube subscribers. We have 10,000 locals members, right? Something like that. Like, how many locals members do we have?

SPEAKER_02 25:55

Oh, look right now. We have uh 4,500, 4,600.

SPEAKER_03 26:02

Yeah, so we have almost 5,000 locals members, but only 1,300 are paid. Yeah, so like the way I see it is like our videos get between 7 and 10,000 views per episode. Every video gets like that's our base is seven to ten thousand views per episode. You get around ten percent of your base to come to the paid portion. Yeah, so if he's got 17,000 Substack subscribers and they're reading his stuff regularly, 10% of those will come. So what is that? 1,700? That's around what I said. 2,000 paid paid. You know, he's probably got 2,000 paid. Kennedy Hall had 60,000 YouTube subscribers, but he got in in 2020 and his channel blew up, and then it kind of just plateaued. You couldn't watch Meaning of Catholic for free.

SPEAKER_02 26:57

Uh meaning so that when it first heard it, it was actually it was worth watching.

SPEAKER_03 27:05

Up until Meaning of Catholic, dude, when he started was so educational. Like I learned a ton of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 27:10

It's what made me want to do this, honestly. It was up until Jeremiah Bannister joined. Yeah. That's what ruined Meaning of Catholic.

SPEAKER_03 27:21

Yeah, I think you should cancel. Nah, uh, yeah, I don't think you should, I think you should give money directly to Dr. Kważenevsky if you're a fan of his. I don't think you should be going through Pelican. Like, I just don't. It doesn't matter. Pelicans, like listen to me. If Kennedy left, that means Kennedy was not getting paid. That's what that means. Kennedy said it was for personal reasons. Well, he said he had to do what was right for his family. Kennedy wasn't getting paid. That's why he left. I mean, that's the only reason you would leave something like that. You're not getting paid. That's speculation. I'm guessing, but he wasn't getting paid. And he probably had butt, he probably butted heads with Dan 70. And I can't imagine Dr. K's gonna stick around much longer either. Like, why would you why would you stick around in a place that you're just giving? I don't, I don't, I don't see how I don't see how there was no plan. The plan was let me milk these guys for everything I can.

SPEAKER_02 28:20

I I think yeah, I think the plan was really to try to save the ranch, which is in legal trouble.

The Catholic Creator Economy Reality

SPEAKER_03 28:26

Dr. K sent me a long email after we declined, and he and he tried to like talk me into coming. And I was like, I I I I was just like, Peter, I like I I love all of you over there. Please do not take this personally. This has nothing to do with you guys. I just I just don't think it's a sound business plan, and I don't think that it's going to work. And he was like, How do you not see it's gonna work? It's gonna work like the these guys. Look, this is not a knock to anybody over there. It's guys who made professional Catholicism their livelihood. I see it with every single guy who makes Catholicism their profession. Like, there is a very select few who can pull it off. A very select few. Like, it is not an easy thing, you're not making money doing content creation, you're just not, and you know, like if you're an author, you can't just keep republishing the same book. Are you sure? Well, you can, but it's not gonna sell, it's not gonna sell. So I think these guys were making good money during 2020 when everybody was learning about the stuff under the Francis pontificate. I think all these guys were making money hand over fist during the Francis Pontificate because it was like, oh my gosh, this crisis, and we have an anti-pope and all this stuff. When Leo came in, I just went the whole world, dude. The whole I knew the day Leo was elected, I knew the Catholic landscape was on the verge of change. I just saw it. Like when he came out in full papal garb and he chose the name Leo. I was like, nope, we are not gonna be able to, but not that I wanted to. I I just knew. I just said, or I I worried from two months on, I saw those guys who had a they had a um a formula that worked under Francis, and I said, that formula doesn't work anymore. Like that formula that they had, and I see John Henry Weston still going with that formula. That formula is not gonna work. But here's the thing though, there is still a ton of donors that dump money behind the Leo is an anti-pope and Trump is great. Formula, like there is still a ton, so they may not be making money on their platform, like they're not, they probably they they probably don't have a ton of money coming in because of the content creation, but there's still a ton of donors behind them propping them up. Yeah, that was what that whole thing with me going down to Florida was about.

SPEAKER_02 31:07

I mean, that's why Gavin Ashington separated himself from Catholic Inscripted, yeah. Publicly.

SPEAKER_03 31:14

Yeah, it's like Gavin Ashington leaves there, and he's whatever. I don't I don't even want to. That's yeah, we don't want to get into that. Yeah, I don't want to get into that, but done enough tonight, and the thing with me going down to Florida was like uh I think they wanted me to be in that crowd. And uh I just I'm like there's not like first off, no donors approached me and said, Oh, they like what we're doing or anything. I don't think any of them get what we're doing. I don't think any of them get what we're doing. We'll we've never we'll never have a donor like that. Like, we you guys are our donors. That's it. It's like five five dollars a pop, or you know, some of you are more generous to give us a little more than that, but like our our donors are just you guys. There is no donor behind avoiding Babylon. There's none. If I had if I had money, like if I did have real donors, I have ideas for shows and I have ways to to uh to evangelize outside of the content creation that you see, but nobody has vision in this landscape. They all had their thing that worked because they first it worked when podcasting and YouTube first took off. Like when YouTube first took off, it worked, and none of them adapted to seeing how things were like were changing, and people people wanted a community more than they wanted just hard-hitting news. Like, there's always gonna be that boomer class that likes that stuff, but like the younger generation just like they well, there won't always be, they're gonna die. Well, yeah, they're gonna die, but right now there's there's still the boomers who like the Chris Jacksons and the Anthony Steins, but dude, do you know how old their freaking audience is?

SPEAKER_02 32:58

Uh someone on Twitter said that Chris Jackson uh was the founder of Catholics for Trump.

SPEAKER_03 33:07

I heard that too. I just don't know how true it is.

SPEAKER_01 33:09

Yeah, yeah. Um, what somebody said, what does 2000 get you? What do you mean by that?

SPEAKER_02 33:18

I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_03 33:19

What does that mean? How far can 2000 get you?

SPEAKER_02 33:22

How far can$2,000 get you for your idea? Oh no, dude. I noticed if I want to do like you need like a full production crew, guys.

SPEAKER_03 33:29

Yeah, we need a full production crew, I would need a film crew, I would need, yeah. Like, I want to do I I mean, I think I've told you guys this before. Like, what one of my ideas is like is everybody's trying to be the Catholic Joe Rogan, and that's just not going to happen. Matt Frad took that spot, and I think Matt Frad's propped up by Daily Wire money and stuff. It's not like Matt Frad's getting hundreds of thousands of views on his videos without getting to be the Catholic Mr. Beast. Yeah. So my idea was you get a game show for traditional Catholic families where they compete for something like a sprinter van. You get to go and then show the beauty of last family in the sprinter van wins. No, but like I would do like Mr. Beast style challenges, right? Where they gotta like, you know, like Mr. Beast will do something like you gotta hold your hand on the on the sprinter van for the longest. Like, and who and the last person to take their hand off the sprinter van gets to keep it, you know. But you but you do with the whole thing where you show the beauty of their family, you know, with the wife staying home with the kids, and you know, how the husband's out there working hard for his family, and you do something like that. And it's a way to evangelize, showing the beauty of traditional Catholic families and doing something really good for the Catholic families that are competing. And then you maybe have a second prize or something. Now, something like that has virality capability, right? Like something like that has the ability to break outside the normal echo chamber that regular Catholics are gonna watch or that somebody might stumble upon and see, hey, there's something unique here, you know, and and you can evangelize people, but it's thinking outside the typical talking head box, but you need real money behind something. Someone goes, Yes, torture impoverished Catholic families on top. Yeah, something like that, you know. I'm just saying, none of these guys, nobody's nobody's creative, is all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 35:22

Like, nobody has two sides of our audience. You have Majorian going, I think my soul just died, and B Wolf going, dude, this would do numbers.

SPEAKER_03 35:33

Um, somebody said, uh, like a game show that also includes a TLC type documentary segments about the family. It's actually a good idea. That's all I'm saying. Like, and it's I have more ideas than that that I don't want to tell anybody in case I ever have the opportunity to put it together. I don't want somebody stealing it from me.

SPEAKER_02 35:46

If anyone comes up with this before us, Anthony will kill them.

SPEAKER_03 35:52

That's the kind of like nobody's willing to think outside the box, is all I'm saying. And you had look like the guys over at um uh uh what's it called? Uh Mass of the Ages, like even dude, even they're floundering. I'm telling you, all these guys because they joined Pelican, he joined Pelican. All these guys that wanna wanted to make Catholicism their livelihood. It doesn't work, man. It doesn't work. You know who's good at it? Like Keith Nestor pulls it off, but Keith Nestor's gotta be doing, you know, he's gotta go and speak around the country all the time, like he's gotta go do speaking engagements all the time. That's how you're making your money. You're not making your money on YouTube like this. Keith Nestor supports his family by traveling all over the country to go speak at at men's groups and things like that. That's where he makes his money, pilgrimages and things like that. I mean, you look at a guy like uh like Patrick Coffin. Patrick Coffin was making money hand over fist at one point. That's all gone, it all washes up. So it's like I'll never leave my my day job ever. Because if this whole thing gets taken away tomorrow, it's like, all right, I still have my I still have my career. This is like a fun little side gig, but that's all it'll ever be. It'll never be something where I can leave my job and anything like that. It's just it's not it's not possible.

SPEAKER_02 37:19

May the Lord Himself help us when you retire from your day job.

Viral Evangelization Show Ideas

SPEAKER_03 37:23

Uh gotta become the Catholic Ruslan. No, because I don't even like doing reaction stuff like that. Like, I like the long form conversation, I don't want to do what Ruslan does, where Ruslan's like, oh, look at what Joe Rogan said about Jesus. And you know, like I don't care to do that stuff. We do it, we do it every so often, and I'm not crazy about it. It's like if it's if it's something really that I think a good conversation can come from, I'll do it. Like anytime we play like a clip of of another show, I think it led to us having a good conversation. It's not about like, oh, let's just do a reaction to this video, and that's it. Wagner makes his money teaching, he offers classes, so like Wagner, Wagner's doing the YouTube thing, but he also does these classes behind the scene. Like he offers something behind the scenes that that's where he's making his money, and he's he's doing it so that he can use it for political action, like it's not just so he can have a YouTube show, yeah. But I also think he'll he will run into problems down the road. I'm sure. Like, I just think he will, and it's not a knock to him. I just think it's a dangerous thing to make this your full-time gig. I really do. And there's also no future in it, like there's no, there's no um, there's no retirement, there's no pension plan, there's no you know, 401k, there's no health insurance, there's no any of that. So for like for me, I have my job, I have a union gig. One day I'll be able to retire, I'll have a pension, I have an annuity, I have uh medical insurance for life. I the you don't get that from this. So when the when a guy like Dr. Kważnevsky was making money in 2016 into to 2024, and then all of a sudden that money slows down. Now he's getting this offer from Pelican, he's thinking he's joining the Daily Wire, and he's looking at it like, oh my gosh, maybe one day I can retire and stop doing this stuff because this grind kills you. Like, you can't how often can you jump on and do a video on YouTube? Like this grind kills you. There's just not an audience for it, and and you're competing with how many other subscriptions, right? Like, I'm I'm I'm I'm watching somebody like like Tim Gordon, even like you know, you think he you think he's making more than we are? Maybe think he made most of his money on his books, right? Like, and it's like if he's not writing another book, what are you writing that book on? Like, what what do you have something else to deliver? You know, it's like you know who kills it? Andrew Wilson. Andrew Wilson has the highest paid uh super chat on YouTube, I think. Like he's sitting down and he'll make 30, 40 grand in a sitting in super chats. Seriously, dude, that guy is a ruthless millionaire now. Andrew Wilson sits down and he and his like our audience is cheap, bro. Andrew Wilson's sitting down making 30 grand on a super chat session. He does chill streams and people just pump money into him: 10 bucks, 15 bucks, 20 bucks. Some people giving him 150 bucks, 200 bucks. It's crazy. Um, have you considered becoming a prosperity gospel preacher? Retirement plan, bro. I don't have a house. Yeah, but that's why even majori, when I was telling you, um, like, don't ever think you're gonna make this a thing, but if you want to make it like a fun side gig, you can where you maybe bring in a couple hundred bucks a month, but you're never gonna get more than that. Yeah, we're not cheap, we're just poor. Me too, bro. Don't worry.

SPEAKER_02 41:04

It's like yeah, don't worry, he's poor. He just went on a game of vacation.

SPEAKER_03 41:09

I listen, that's the thing. I don't go on vacations. My in-laws take me on stuff. Like, I can't, you know. I uh they take me to do that. I'm very fortunate. Like you, you uh Jason was saying that he's like this guy goes on vacation quarterly vacation, quarterly vacation. Yeah, my in-laws take me on things. I don't know what to tell you guys.

SPEAKER_02 41:26

So what you're saying married the wrong bra. Marry a rich go. Hope I love you. Anthony's going, uh Anthony's getting to go to the Cayman Islands. Meanwhile, I get a do a cross-country road trip to Florida with four kids.

SPEAKER_03 41:44

I did it every year. I did it every year with my parents, Rob. Every year we packed in the minivan and we drove to Disney every year, man. Nine of us, nine of us packed in a freaking van driving down to Disney.

SPEAKER_02 41:55

No, we do anything besides go to Disneyland World.

SPEAKER_03 41:59

It's terrible. But that was the vacation my parents could take us on. They couldn't afford plane tickets for 11 people, you know. It was like that's what they could afford. So that's what we did. We did we did Rocking Horse Ranch growing up. We never, I never, I never visited, I never got on an airplane until I got married on my honeymoon. It's like my first time taking uh a plane ride when I got married. Um and even my honeymoon, my my in-laws gave me their timeshare, and that's what they took us this time. They so they had a they had a timeshare in the Caymans, so they hadn't used it in like 15 years, and they were just paying the maintenance fees on it, and they're like, We should go check out our timeshare. And they were like, uh, there's two bedrooms in it. Is that is anybody want to come? I'm like, Welcome. So it's just me and my wife went. We didn't even take the kids. My kids were so mad at us. Like, you guys are going to the Caribbean without us.

SPEAKER_02 42:51

Like, yeah, I don't know. If I were rich, I'd give Rob half my money and is on his own. I appreciate that. People say to have a boat.

SPEAKER_03 43:00

My boat's a 2012 C-ray, okay? It's a 2012 C. We're not rich boat people. We don't know what that means. I'll tell you, I bought my boat in 2016. Um, and I was making more money than I no, I bought it in 2017, and I was making more money at my job than I ever had. 2019 was the most money I ever made at my job. Then 2020 came and my freaking salary, I got I lost 30% of my salary in 2020, and I never got it back.

SPEAKER_02 43:33

2012, my car's not even a 2012.

SPEAKER_01 43:38

Well, I mean, it's 2026. The boat's freaking 14 years old now.

SPEAKER_03 43:44

Um, but yeah, so I bought it, it was five years old, it was used, it was just a car payment, basically. Uh, you know, it was a car payment. I wish I had that boat. That boat's nice. That's what that's what I want next, actually. Like when I retire, that's the boat I want.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

And something completely Related subscriptions to locals will be increasing a dollar next month.

Keeping The Day Job For Security

SPEAKER_03 44:06

Um, but yeah, so I bought the boat in 2017, 2019. I made more money than ever did. 2020 comes and I lose 30 of my money, 30 of my salary, and I'm like, man, I don't know what I'm gonna do. I need to start, I need to get another job, I need to do something, I don't know what I'm gonna do. And I started a podcast, and it was like God ordained this thing, and it worked out because I don't know what the hell else I would have done. I also got uh Joe Boca a job. Good old Joe, Joe Boca, who's been on our show. Um original off the rails guys, original off the rails guy.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

We've only had to remove two of the three shows he's been on.

SPEAKER_03 44:50

He uh he's been asking me for like two years, hey, you think you got me a job over there? You think he got me a job over there? And I was like, I don't know, man. I don't know if you really want to come. And recently, work picked up, and my uncle was like, Hey, if anybody knows anybody that wants to come over, let me know. And I called Joe and I was like, You still want that job? And he's like, Yeah, bro, he quit his other job on Friday and he started working with me yesterday without ever doing it, without ever knowing what he was getting himself into. Nothing. He came and bro, he is like getting he is getting a sitting in the truck next to you, and you're like, What are you doing?

SPEAKER_02 45:29

Working with you. No, no, no. You go out there, yeah, buddy.

SPEAKER_03 45:33

You go grab that wheelbarrow. I'm sitting in the trunk. I don't know. So he commuted with me yesterday and today. Uh, yesterday we were in the Bronx, and today we were in Staten Island. And I thought he would just be with me. Like, I thought he would just be with me, and he would carpool with me. And my uncle sent out the list today, and he's on another foreman's crew already. So he's got to drive himself tomorrow to Staten Island, and I'm working in Queens tomorrow. So it's like he got thrown right into the thick of it, boy. There's no there's no training program, nothing. You're in it. That's it. So so far, I got I I got one of my friends a wife, and I got another friend a job. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hopefully, yeah, yeah. Bobby, is this true? Look in that way. Uh and need to bring a whip to work really motivates the workers. Uh you telling me you could get me any job. If you get if somebody lives in Long Island or New York area and you want a job, maybe, yeah. If I was rich, I would sponsor the A B cruise yacht. But dude, you gotta understand, Joe left his job, but he came to a job where like he's jumping right into making good money now. And he's gonna have health insurance, and he's gonna have an annuity, and he's gonna have a pension, and he's gonna like all things he didn't really have at his other job. So it's I'm not gonna blurt out what he's making an hour or anything, but I can get somebody a job they're relatively smart and qualified in North Carolina, yeah. Um let's see, better not piss off Ann at work, he'll end up getting roasted locals when we have it the first time. Yeah, if there was a possibility for remote jobs, I would work a remote job. Uh Ant needs to get Al Carbo a job, I'd pay to watch him be around Anthony all day. Al Carbo lives on Saturn Island. He's like a he's like a Pope spleener. Uh should charter a boat for the A B crew. Hey Rob, you are uh I I don't know if I have your correct phone number, Rob, but you are in the Italy group chat and you've never responded.

SPEAKER_02 47:52

You must be talking to a different Rob.

SPEAKER_03 47:54

Robert Mazzotta. Oh, okay. Robert Mazzotta. I think he's coming to Italy. Pretty sure. His name's on the list. I think he put it the put he put a deposit down. I'm pretty sure he's coming. So, Rob, I I don't know. I texted you. I don't know if I have your right phone number, though. You haven't responded to any of my texts. Um let me know if I'm wrong on that.

SPEAKER_02 48:22

Uh updates on the conference. Uh yeah, uh something in the future.

unknown 48:28

All right.

SPEAKER_03 48:29

So what happened with the conference is that uh Mike Pantile is a flink and he hasn't helped me with anything. So if we're planning a conference, it's gonna be just me and my me and Rob. So it's a lot of work. And uh I think actually Pantile is uh being offered some he's Pantile's getting some good offers to possibly have a job in America. So I think he's like thinking of moving, he's trying to work on getting like citizenship, so he's very busy. I'm just teasing about him being a flake.

SPEAKER_01 49:02

Um Mike is busy making lists for Catholic men.

SPEAKER_03 49:17

Uh not going to the A B meetup because Anna is gonna strangle me because I've been meeting him on Twitter.

Money Stories Boats Pay Cuts Work

SPEAKER_01 49:28

Uh Majarian.

SPEAKER_03 49:30

I only am mean to you because I know you can take it. Because I know me and you would never like I see how people get like so butthurt and offended if somebody like subtweets them or something. It's like majorion will subtweet me and I'll shoot him a text. I'd be like, asshole. Like, I'm not gonna get I'm not gonna get all mad. I'll just send them a subtweet. I mean, I'll just send them a text.

SPEAKER_02 49:53

Um what if we brought on what if we had a conference with uh Kennedy and Nick and called it the Flamingo Minus Conference?

SPEAKER_03 50:05

No, I do wanna maybe downscale our idea. And uh yeah, no, me neither, Major. I don't get mad, I just vent. Like I'll I'll vent a little. Um no, maybe we downscale the idea to make it more affordable, and we just do like a meetup hangout instead of a conference with speakers and stuff. Good talk, Rob. Sorry, what was that? Yeah, Majari's crash outs are more subtle. They're subtweets. Uh they're books. I would like to do it in Cincinnati, to be honest.

SPEAKER_02 50:48

Well, wait, why the hell would we do it in Cincinnati?

SPEAKER_03 50:52

Because I want my cousin Enoch and Todd to come. Okay, why still why Cincinnati? It's close enough to Kentucky that they'll go. Why do you think Louisville? Should we call Chicago is too expensive? I mean, I we're gonna go all the way to Kentucky. I don't want to go to those hicks down there.

SPEAKER_02 51:10

Louisville has to be the same distance from you as Cincinnati.

SPEAKER_03 51:14

I don't care. I don't want to give them the satisfaction. You want to go to Cincinnati, Ohio? Why? It's the Rust Belt, brother. No, I don't know. I don't know where we would go. Um get E. Michael Jones and Father Maudsley for the conference. That would actually freaking that would sell out in a second. If we got Maudsley for a conference, I think that would sell out as well as like getting Ripper there. I really do. I think if we did a conference and got Father Maudsley to come, as long as I mean everyone wanted, we would sell that thing out so easily.

SPEAKER_02 51:52

He he would not say mass, he would not hear confessions, everyone would have to do that.

SPEAKER_03 51:56

He wouldn't be the chaplain or anything. I would get I would get Father Romano to come for that. Or Father McDonald or someone. Like I have I have several priests that I could get to come for that. Father Mosley would just come to speak.

SPEAKER_02 52:14

Obviously, travel would be more expensive, but that's whatever.

SPEAKER_03 52:17

So it's worth getting him there, man.

SPEAKER_02 52:20

We'll get him there. The question the question is whether or not he would do it. Oh, he would yeah, but if if he it depends on what the FSSP is allowed, you know, because he he he follows what they say. He spoke at the remnant conference. Did he? Yeah. Okay. I mean, I'd be all for it.

SPEAKER_03 52:41

Yeah, I think I think that might be the plan. All right.

SPEAKER_02 52:43

So let's I'd love to just sit down and like hang a personal conversation with the man.

SPEAKER_03 52:48

Just hang with Father Modsley. Um get Sadie Picante and uh Fuke there.

SPEAKER_02 52:56

No, I will shoot them. Um you Michael Jones, that would be interesting.

SPEAKER_03 53:03

He's probably expensive though.

SPEAKER_02 53:06

Yeah, yeah, I'm sure he is.

SPEAKER_03 53:09

Um Father Mosley's been a fathom of center conference of this thing. Uh the checking social media posts for visitors to World Cup, Father Mosley isn't getting in. I didn't hear that. You didn't hear that. I couldn't get in either, I bet.

SPEAKER_02 53:24

Yeah, Ant's gonna go to the pilgrimage in Greece and or Italy and not get let back in.

SPEAKER_03 53:30

In all honesty, Majarian, you and Taffy, I would um you guys would be uh probably I'd figure out how to get you guys there for free and we'd figure that out. Um I bet you I could get Taylor to come. Uh I don't I don't know if I don't know what the theme of the conference would be. Like, I don't know. I don't know. I gotta see what we would do for a theme.

SPEAKER_02 53:57

Um who else would be a good accomplishment?

SPEAKER_03 54:04

Oh, I'll be on with Dr. Deep State next Wednesday. Somebody said, are we going to see him on May 17th? I will be on his show next Wednesday. Um yeah, Taffy's acting like he's poor. Taffy, guys, just so you know, Taffy is a big time I won't say.

SPEAKER_02 54:26

And we get voice of reason. We we can get uh anyone in the world as long as uh Ryan Ketsu Rivera can uh do the impression. That's actually pretty funny.

SPEAKER_03 54:39

I'll get Ryan there. How can Rob Mazzardo never respond? I mean he doesn't respond to tags and he won't respond in the comments.

SPEAKER_01 54:49

This guy's ducking me. I hope he shows up to Italy, dude.

Meetups Conferences And Potential Guests

SPEAKER_03 54:56

Can I actually somebody saying loft in? I actually was very worried. I actually was talking to somebody about this the other day, and I'm like, I am so worried I'm gonna become loft and like with all this and like being such an adversary to the trads. It's like I I don't know, like I don't want to become lofton. Like, is that is that the trajectory we're on loft and right the whole time?

SPEAKER_02 55:23

What what what with lofton? How it it like he said a couple things, and then the traders kind of pushed back, so he kind of doubled down on it. The Trads doubled down, and then you know, I like yeah, it's a guy something gotta be careful.

SPEAKER_03 55:38

Well, the the thing I never liked about Lofton wasn't his critiques of anything, it was him calling people out personally and and him using like him going after Marshall in order to build his channel up. Like, that's what I didn't like about Lofton. It wasn't uh it wasn't ever like the the content, like the content that he was producing, it was that he would use people like he would he was doing ambulance chasing drama stuff, right?

SPEAKER_02 56:02

So someone says, Well, you're also kind of a wigger, you and Lofton should probably hang out.

SPEAKER_03 56:07

The one thing Lofton has that that that southern drawl where he goes, Him, him. Like when he says if he says him, uh it's like him. Lofton was invited to the Vatican, that is true. Yeah, he was the Karen of Catholic content. Like, I don't I don't know, I'm not I don't know, but like was he kind of right in his critique of the trad movement? Because it's like every single thing I'm watching, like I felt justified under Francis for being like wearyable this stuff. Reverend Bazal sent an email to you. Okay, excellent. Um, that so the the stuff I'm seeing, like this immediate rejection of everything from Leo. I'm just like, man, these guys like they see everything in the worst light possible. There's not an ounce of charity given to Leo whatsoever. And I'm like, were we doing that with Francis? Was it the same thing? But like Francis was an anomaly, man. It was a brutal 13 years.

SPEAKER_02 57:04

But were we also just watching what the life site news headlines and stuff were and not really thoughts to you as well recently, you know, like because you you you do see that what it was like, yeah. Leo's tweets are for like you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 57:26

Like, not just blah, dude. Some of them are awful, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But some of them are some of Leo's tweets are awful, man.

SPEAKER_02 57:32

At the same time, then you see people say, like, he's never talked about Nigeria, and it's like, well, well, no, he hasn't. Yeah, here's six cases where he has, you know, like so. You do see these lies, and it's like, damn, did I believe did they lie about Francis? Do and I fell for it every time.

Avoiding Drama Traps Under Pope Leo

SPEAKER_03 57:48

No, dude, like Leo today talking about Francis, his birth into heaven. Oh, yeah, that one stuff is garbage, man. There's the Muslim stuff is garbage. I don't look, I I'm not, it's garbage. Like, come on, we know what he is, but it's just I don't, I don't know. I don't know, whatever. All right, it's 10:15, and I have to get some sleep, so I have to get some sleep. My son's home and he's got school in the morning. Uh Publios pikes my cordisology, he's pretty terrible. Oh man. Well, okay, we're gonna wrap this one up. Tonight was tonight. It was a fun show. I enjoyed both sides tonight, uh, the YouTube side and the local side.

SPEAKER_02 58:34

Was not a fan of ending the stream accidentally. That sucked.

SPEAKER_03 58:38

No, but salute to all you guys who came over to locals. Um, you guys think it's the best local stream yet? I mean, it was definitely juicy gossip in it. That's they love the gossip, which you guys love. We love when we smoke it.

SPEAKER_02 58:49

Isn't great for any of us.

SPEAKER_03 58:53

Glad I joined for this one. Look, every once in a while, you guys are gonna get a gem, and then every so often you're gonna get a dud. It's just the way it is, man. It's just two two friends hanging out, BSing. It's just the way it is.

SPEAKER_02 59:04

Um, you'll have to tell me what Kennedy said uh off the uh when we get Chris Jackson.

SPEAKER_03 59:12

I think chilling in paradise while the what MAGA war wages are lows in a way, and uh somebody Catholic Catholic Trump supporters said chilling in paradise. Professional Catholics are paid well. Chris Jackson said Catholic Inc. pays well. He needs to contribute to Sede Inc. as a corporate worker mercy. Leo says the gifts to the poor on the peripheries. I see Chris Jackson blocked me because he's a fag, but like I thought he was kind of funny. Like, I like Chris Jackson. Like, I know I'm sparring with him and stuff, but like I don't know why he blocked me. I was having fun with him. What a fag.

SPEAKER_02 59:48

You asked who he what you asked what his real name was too many times.

SPEAKER_03 59:52

Uh somebody just texted me and said, excellent show. I think you have the most comprehensive view of the anti-church of anyone I've heard. Brilliant inclusion of Tertullian. I have told Josh Charles many times that this treatment of Tertullian, the foolishness of God, blew my mind. Uh, my priest told me to check out Catholic Esquire's Trump Leo conflict as K fabe. As you said, they are missing the bigger picture.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:14

So that's scholarship, Josh.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:17

Yeah. Um, very much appreciated. Uh okay, so oh, Majarian. Majarian, Majarian, Majarian. I want Majarian on the next locals episode. If you're a free Majarian, I want you on the next locals episode, and I want to hear your game plan. I want to hear your thesis of things. I want to hear your thesis of things and see what you think.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:42

Someone said he's scheduled a text to I have to go to bed, dude.

Locals Thanks And Closing Plans

SPEAKER_03 1:00:46

It's late. I have work in the morning. Um, yeah, this was a fun one. And we went long tonight, so you guys got your money's worth. Catholic Catholic Inc. paying well. We'll see you guys on Thursday. I'll try to I'll try to come up with another good topic for Thursday.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:11

And he wants to be the number one enemy of setting accommodatism, and then I can't think of of who else would be number one, and he might very well have achieved it.