Did Tucker Just Call Trump the ANTICHRIST? And Pope Leo Makes Waves

Your feed can turn any political figure into a saint and any pope into a villain in about five minutes, and that’s exactly the trap we’re trying to name out loud. A livestream failure knocks us off YouTube, but the bigger breakdown is what we’re watching online: Catholics trading the unity of the Church for factional loyalty, outrage, and “my side can do no wrong” thinking. We talk candidly about trad infighting, MAGA Catholic culture, and the temptation to treat the papacy like an obstacle instead of a gift Christ gives His Church. 

We dig into the blowback to Pope Leo’s plain call for peace, plus the unsettling question behind a viral rumor about U.S. officials pressuring the Vatican. Even if a specific story is sloppy, the issue is real: Catholics should never celebrate state meddling in Church life, no matter how angry they feel at bishops, Rome, or the last few decades of scandal. We connect that to the COVID era, sacrament shutdown memories, and how quickly “emergency powers” can become tools of coercion. 

Then we engage Tucker Carlson’s argument that the deeper conflict isn’t merely geopolitical, but spiritual, a sustained assault on Christianity and especially Catholicism. From there we address end times speculation, “man of lawlessness” talk, and why political messianism spreads so easily when faith is thin. The takeaway we keep coming back to is demanding but practical: if we want renewal, we prepare through penance, fasting, and detachment, because Christian victory so often comes through the cross before it looks like triumph. 

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YouTube Stream Fails Mid-Intro

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SPEAKER_04 2:47

Stop. What YouTube's not live. Why? That's a good question. It's set up right. YouTube is just saying StreamYard is not sending it anything. It's showing that it's live. Right, and it locals is live, they're saying. What is going on? Hey, if anyone's watching on Twitter, can you put a comment in? We'll see it. Let me just go to Twitter, see if we're live on Twitter. What is going on here? Oh no, what a terrible man. We're live everywhere but YouTube. Um this it's not like locals where I have to put in manual um programming stuff. It should automatically go. Yeah, it should just automatically go.

SPEAKER_02 3:45

Can you kill just the YouTube and then restart it?

SPEAKER_03 3:50

Um I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

What is going on here? Oh my goodness, you guys are in for a fun show tonight, I guess.

SPEAKER_04 4:05

So on Tuesday when we did a show, and I logged into StreamYard, it that day it said it was having problems with YouTube that day, but that day it worked for us. Today it's not showing it didn't show any error codes. But now it's not working. Showing that it's live.

SPEAKER_02 4:22

Like this is really weird.

SPEAKER_04 4:26

Um, since YouTube's not working anyways, let me just see if I can remove it. I don't I don't think I even if I can't I even if I add it back in, how do we send it? Live.

SPEAKER_03 4:41

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 4:42

Well basically, why don't we just start a new stream though? Because it's only like locals people. But I don't know if it'll start. That's the problem.

SPEAKER_04 4:51

Right, what if it doesn't start? Then we've killed the show.

SPEAKER_03 4:57

Why the heck is it not going on? Locals only tomorrow.

SPEAKER_02 5:09

Upload it to YouTube later. That's really odd. I mean, we could do a two-hour uh local show. Just clip it later. You guys are in for a treat tonight.

SPEAKER_04 5:23

Should we keep Rumble and Twitter going? Or make it or make it just locals.

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Um alright, so how do we let the can you just post a comment and just tell everybody something's going on with in the live audience? Tell everybody to tell everybody, yeah, tell everybody they can go watch us on Twitter, they could watch us on Rumble.

SPEAKER_03 5:48

Okay, just a kill. Um we will do the show on X, Rumble, and Vocals and upload and on here tomorrow.

SPEAKER_02 6:06

Um what a what a bizarre intro. And I guess we'll cut all this out when we post it later. No, all right, so that's that's a lot of work. Oh man, this was uh this is Black Monk Rosary's big debut. Man, I mean we'll post it later, but oh my goodness, what the heck? What is going on? All right, so everybody go over to locals. Let's hope they all go over to locals.

SPEAKER_04 6:35

So um, I'll post the link to locals here real quick in the YouTube chat.

Twitter Drama And Trad Infighting

SPEAKER_02 6:42

Um people are like, wait, you guys have a rumble channel? Uh all right, well, we can't be highlighting comments, but I guess we'll just do a local show. What's funny is if you guys want to watch on locals but comment on YouTube, we can highlight your comments. Or if you want to comment on X, we can highlight your comments. Man, that's so weird. All right, so anyway, yeah, Black Monk Rosaries use uh use uh promo code Avoiding Babylon. I don't know, man. I have like complete brain rot from uh being on my phone too much, I think. We had Keith on the other day, and he would be talking. I'm like, okay, I have something I can get with this, and then like he would finish talking, I would completely forget what he what I was going to say. Like my brain is I don't know if it's from lack of sleep or if it's from looking at my phone too much, but uh yeah, I don't know, man. I'm I'm kind of getting fed up with uh with the trads a bit too.

SPEAKER_04 7:52

Oh, we're starting with that, are we? I think we should. Just remember that well, I guess it's all gonna be on YouTube at some point, but yeah, it'll be on it'll be on YouTube, but um yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 8:04

Like the whole thing with with Stein the other day. So uh the the going theory on that is that he he I think he started to be upset with me when I said I mean I'm I goofed on the Trads for covering the Leo Pachamama story, yeah. And I was like, you guys are really like making it like it's headline news, the cover of 30-year-old photograph, and I think he got upset at that, and then the the whole me posting a screw a screenshot of me saying a year ago, I said by the end of Trump's presidency, the whole world will be at war, and he said to me, Stop being effeminate about politics, Shirley.

SPEAKER_04 8:50

I don't think he knows what that word means, like most threads.

SPEAKER_02 8:52

I truly don't think he knows what it means. So I posted a screenshot of his comment underneath mine, and I said, Are the Trump guys still holding that I'm crazy for this tweet a year ago?

SPEAKER_04 9:04

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We'll do it, we'll do it in the middle of the show. They they loved my last read, by the way. They loved the last read. Um, so they um so yeah, so he blocked me, and then behind behind like closed doors, he's in group chats and DMs, he's telling everybody that I'm effeminate. I'm like, you blocked me and claimed that a bunch of groupers were harassing you, and you're saying I'm a like I don't understand guys that get into guys that get into this arena and can't handle a couple of Twitter comments. Like, I don't know, man. Like because Stein was my friend, like he's been on our show multiple times. I had conversations like when we were considering going over to Pelican, I was talking to him and trying to see if he wanted to go over there too. Like, I you know, that was that's the relationship I have with him, and then why?

SPEAKER_04 9:59

Because I don't like Trump, like the the would have really helped him out too.

SPEAKER_02 10:02

I mean, it definitely helped the collegium out. Well, not on YouTube, may as well go for broke tonight. Um, there's also like the the tradsu yes, we can see rumble chats. Can you guys see the chat? Yes, we can see rumble chats.

SPEAKER_04 10:21

We can see rumble and acts. Um, oh, we well, we can see locals too, but we can't show locals, it doesn't work.

SPEAKER_02 10:28

Yeah, we just can't highlight locals' comments. Um, all right, yeah, so all right, so anyway, there's something going on with with the trads, like the the Uber Trads who think Leo's an anti-pope, and they're all obsessed with Trump. And I think it has to do with like a daddy issue, like they're missing their father in Rome, so they've replaced the Pope with Trump. There's a lot of them. Seems weird, man. There's a lot of them like that. Like, like once you once you once you decide that Leo's not the Pope, like your brain breaks and you think Trump's your daddy, and you can't see clearly anymore. It's it's a very very strange thing that we're watching right now. But so the Christopher Hale ridiculous story came out, right?

SPEAKER_04 11:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:19

Let's bring that up. Let's bring that ridiculous. I think I put it in Telegram. We'll go with that first, and that'll lead into the Tucker stuff because um we're gonna post this in clips later anyway, so uh, we may as well just we don't know what happened with YouTube. YouTube just decided it doesn't want to stream us tonight. So this video, oh so you removed it totally.

Rumor Of Pentagon Pressure On Vatican

SPEAKER_04 11:44

Yeah, because I I needed it removed if I'm gonna post something tomorrow. Okay. Sure, I might have to. It was really weird tonight. That was weird. Gave me no indication I wasn't streaming it to YouTube.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

Yeah, so so Christopher Hale comes out with his ridiculous story. This is a slow-moving show. We gotta we gotta pick up the pace here. So getting lost in the weeds. Um, all right, so a meeting between Cardinal Christophe Pierre and the Pentagon was described as bitter, a bitter lecture during which a U.S. official invoked the Avignon papacy, a 14th century period when the French crown used military power to influence the papacy as an implicit warning to the church. Then I put Leo the clip of Leo this morning, um, in in there too. See if you could grab that. Because I want to play that with this, and I want to kind of talk about this a little bit. And and the reaction to Catholics in the in the public sphere today was freaking ridiculous. So this is this was Leo's statement.

SPEAKER_04 12:53

Not on this subject. No, no, no. This is on the war.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

Right. In English, I I would simply say um once again what I said in the Urbi Orbi message on Sunday, asking all people of goodwill to search always for peace and not violence, to reject war, especially a war which many people have said is an unjust war, which uh is continuing to escalate, and uh which is not resolving anything. In fact, we have a worldwide economic crisis, energy crisis, um situation in the Middle East of great instability, which is only provoking more hatred throughout the world. So come back to the table, let's talk, let's look for solutions in a peaceful way, and let's remember, especially the innocent children, the elderly, the sick, so many people who have already become or will become victims of this uh continued warfare. Uh, to remind all that uh attacks on uh civilian infrastructure is against international law, but that it is also a sign uh of uh the hatred, the division, the destruction that the human being is capable of. And we all want to work for peace. People want peace. I would invite the citizens of all the countries involved to contact the authorities, political leaders, congressmen, to uh ask them, tell them to work for peace and to reject war always. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_02 14:35

That was such a milk toast, let's talk and dialogue instead of go to war thing. And everybody's on the on the MAGA right reacting, like they're reacting like the woke pope. Like, what do you expect the Pope to say? First of all, like my issue with it is that he doesn't come out and condemn Israel. Like, that's that's my issue with it. But the the MAGA rights, like you're woke Pope, and all this crap, and even from the Trads, like the Trads, too, calling him a woke Pope. Like, that was such a a generic, like, I don't know. Like, my issue with it is that Leo's Leo doesn't hold like a very masculine presence, right? He seems kind of like timid in all of his approaches looking down at the floor as he's saying it. But I mean, what he said there is not offensive at all. No, he attacked Trump, like he's the Pope and he's calling for peace. I would hope the Pope would call for peace, and the way people reacted to it is just absurd. And then to watch how the insane Protestants reacted to it, and then to watch how the insane Protestants, even reacting to anything, like even the past couple of weeks, all the stuff that's been going down. Like, my question for these trads who are who they won't say they're sede vicantes. That's what's I like ironic about it. They won't say their sedes, but they'll trash Leo at any chance they get, they'll dog on him. I even I like Liz Yore a couple of weeks ago is calling for the for the Trump administration to to to investigate the Vatican.

SPEAKER_04 16:11

To clarify, it's not it's not just Trads, it's also like hardcore GOP Republican, conservative Catholics, too. Yeah, for sure. And I don't I don't mean conservative in like an actual conservative way because they're really liberal, but hardcore Republican MAGA Catholics, too.

SPEAKER_02 16:28

Maga mega the MAGA cult. People that are so diehard MAGA that they can't judge an individual situation and say, hey, this is wrong. Like the things that Trump has said over the past couple neocons in general. Yeah, the things that Trump has said over the past couple of days are appalling, and you'll see people just kind of like writing it off, like, oh, he's just he's just bluffing. Everyone knows he's bluffing. It's like, well, if he's bluffing, why is he saying it? But just this this careless attitude towards horrific comments about genocidal behavior.

SPEAKER_04 17:02

It it's funny how um so many Trads will uh bring up um, you know, like St. Alphonsus, uh, you know, when it comes to like sins about the sixth and ninth commandment, but they won't bring up St. Alphonsus and what he says about you know, exaggeration and lying when it comes to whatever Trump is saying at the you know, current point. It's like it doesn't matter if if Trump didn't mean it like that, what he said there was still one, probably insane and crazy, like legitimately, and two sinful.

When MAGA Loyalty Overrides Morals

SPEAKER_02 17:32

Send them back to the stone age was one. We're gonna end an entire civilization was another. Dropping the F bomb on Easter praisle, yeah. Like, what are we doing? I honestly like I can't watch anything with Trump anymore. Like, I just I can't, I don't I when he's on a news conference, I don't want to see it. I I I just and the thing is, uh, somebody said the left was right, MAGA is a cult. And the thing is, none of none of us said it was. I didn't think it was because I always knew I could differentiate between like Trump is hilarious at times, like he's really funny at times. I don't have Trump derangement syndrome, I had Trump disappointment syndrome for a long time, and now I'm just like, dude, can you please tell Israel no to anything? That's the point I'm at. It's it's insane. My my my view on Trump with the Israel stuff, because a lot of people think, oh, you think it's Epstein, you think they're blackmailing him. I think that this is he sees them as his ticket to an extended term, whatever that looks like. That like you know, not maybe I don't know if that means canceling the election for a period of time, or if that means they get him in for a third term. I don't know what that means, but I think it in his eyes, he watched them rob the 2020 election from him, and then he came in 2024 and just like coasted him without an issue. And I think he is under the impression, and he's probably right, that they can literally control elections. And if he does what they want, they're gonna want to keep him in. All right, so since Trump, since COVID and the and the and the mass stopping under Trump in his last term, in his 2016 term, like when COVID happens and the and the and the sacraments got shut down for that three and a half month period, like I was very taken back by that. I never like so when he was running again in 2020 and 20 and 2024, mainly 2024. I was like, why is nobody talking about like he gave us operation warp speed? He's the like he did all these really twisted things, and oh, he he's the one that allowed um that's not the don't uh the he let he allowed gays in the military, he allowed fannies in the military, you know.

SPEAKER_04 20:09

Like yeah, we should have Rob.

SPEAKER_02 20:11

He enacted all of the stuff during COVID that allowed them to steal the election in 2024, like he in 2020, like he is the one who put this stuff in place for mail-in voting, like he like he put all this crap into play. I mean, I know states did it individually, but it was all because of his thing that he was, and you know, when 2024 came around and we were voting in that election, I got caught up in the whole try telling you the whole theater of it. It's me to end up voting. It was crazy because we were both like not voting in 2024, we were both not voting, and then uh stupid cavajos coming on the show.

SPEAKER_04 20:50

It was Nick, I blame him, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

Stupid cavazzo's coming on the show, and and the and the and the assassination attempt and all of it. And I was like, I was like, oh, we gotta we gotta take a crack at this. And within a month of him being in there, I just had this freaking feeling of doom came over me, and all I could think about was the three and a half months we lost the sacraments, and the the way he was handling things, and I'm just like, this guy's acting, he's not acting like he's first off, he's not gonna do any of the things he said he was going to do, and he's not even trying to fix the system, he's trying to change the system completely into something new. Like, I don't even know if he's really trying to do that. Well, what I what I meant, yeah, yeah. I don't know what he I don't know what he I don't know what he does. Like, he's just a freaking narcissist. Yeah, like he's just a freaking retarded narcissist, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_04 21:52

Uh yeah, and I think he's actually losing grasp on reality to tell you the truth.

SPEAKER_02 21:57

Dude, did you uh I guess we get we should go through. The Tucker stuff. Uh Cavazos is doing his political show now, and it's unwatchable. It's unwatchable, in my opinion. I don't know what I don't know what he's doing. I tried to check a couple of the things he's doing. And in one in one clip, he's literally defending a Jewish woman.

SPEAKER_04 22:21

What?

SPEAKER_02 22:22

Who's on uh Piers Morgan.

SPEAKER_04 22:26

I don't know what's more offensive about that. Jewish part or the woman part.

SPEAKER_02 22:30

Yeah, like this woman's right. Islam is a problem. It's like, yes, we know. Like the whole thing.

SPEAKER_04 22:36

Oh, yeah, I'm getting so tired of that too. I know exactly where you're going. Guess what? You can be against the Jews and still be against Islam, too.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

Oh man, I don't know. Things are just I'm just I've just kind of had it with the Tratosphere.

SPEAKER_04 22:54

I'm all ready to strangle people.

SPEAKER_02 22:57

Yeah, I don't know, man. I'm just like, I but my point is the the Christopher Hale story, the reason I brought that up is let's say that because I never thought Trump was threatening violence against the Vatican. No, what I'm what what I would take that as if it happened in any way, if the truth if the White House is throwing any kind of threat towards the Vatican, the threat is not violence, it's not gonna send their military in. It's hey, we can do a little investigating here, we could, you know, all of a sudden the bishops, you look into the all the all the funding that came through with the immigration stuff. And look, I that stuff was awful, right? None of us will support that. You look at Michael Hitchborne's reporting, some of the stuff that goes on in there, it was horrific with Catholic charities and stuff, but there's still an element where like you don't want the new Roman Empire meddling in the things of the church, like you don't want that. There's there's no place where and and I I I made a when you learn church history, you learn about these periods in history where the we're where France and where the Holy Roman Empire and and you know political entities messed with the church, and it was never a good thing. Like, come on, and listen, the thing is, even if you're unhappy with the things going on at the Vatican, like you don't want to. I I made a decision like I don't want to add to the chorus of voices trashing the hierarchy anymore. Because first of all, I don't want to face that on judgment day. I like I don't want to because if you read what the saints say about those who criticize the hierarchy, it's like it's scary stuff, but also I don't want to ever be a converso in the church who's who's like trying to undermine the unity of the church.

SPEAKER_04 24:44

I was gonna say, I like uh I don't have a problem criticizing the hierarchy and the things they do, but I do I completely agree.

Choosing The Church Over The State

SPEAKER_02 24:54

I will never work against the church, no way in hell, and work against the unity of the church, like against the unity of the body of Christ, and make it make yourself an adversary of the papacy, and like it was such an un-Catholic thing we dealt with under Francis. It was a it felt so wrong, even though we felt like we were doing the right thing, and you know, we were following our kind. Like, I what once Leo came in, I just I just decided I don't want to do that anymore. I really don't, I don't want to ever work to undermine the unity of the church. Um, and if the persecution does come, because I see America as the new Rome, and the Roman Empire is what persecutes the church in the first century. And if that if that happens, there are trads who will cheer it on. Yeah, so for whether the Christopher Hale story was legit or not, the question is if that happens, where the U.S. government decides they're gonna start meddling in the business of the church, I don't what like what side do you take on that? You're a Catholic, you take the church's side in that. Like your loyalties lie to Christ first and his church, and then the government and then America, especially and this isn't working, like we're not saying we're taking the church's side over America.

SPEAKER_04 26:23

We're saying like the the uh the government that rules America is not America. People need to realize that when you are when you are patriotic, when you're an American patriot, it's about loving your nation, but loving its people, its history, its culture, its food, its land. It's not about loving Donald Trump or Kamala Harris or the Democrats or the Republicans or the CIA or the FBI or Congress or any of that bullshit.

Sponsors And The Crisis Playbook

SPEAKER_02 26:46

So uh, Mrs. Casey, we just read it. The Christopher Hale story was that the Pentagon called Cardinal Pierre into uh into the White House, and they read him the Riot Act and told him he'd better get on board with Trump's uh foreign policy or or else. And and he reminded him of the Avignon papacy. It was just it was a stupid story, and I didn't take any I didn't give it any credit because Christopher Hale just says it sounds like the meeting happened, but yeah, the it was not like that. Yeah, it was a total mischaracterization of what went on. But regardless, I do see look, I'll you want to imagine a scenario where the government persecutes the church, think about the COVID vaccine. Yeah, the COVID vaccine. Now the problem was Francis was helping them along with that, but let's pray that doesn't happen again. And especially when it's coming from Trump, if this if there's another emergency, hopefully the Pope will stand against it. And maybe but the fact maybe it's maybe it's divine providence that it is Trump in there, and we know the hierarchy hates Trump. So maybe they will push back against some kind of tyrannical thing that is attempted under the Trump presidency. Maybe because I don't care who the president is, I don't want to get you stupid jab. I don't want to get you, I'm not taking whatever the hell they want to give, whatever it is. Yeah, and it's a way for them to persecute the church. They shut the churches down under the last pandemic, and we're clearly heading towards something. Who the hell knows what it is? But there is there's a there never take a never what is it? What's what's the saying? It's like never waste an up, never waste the opportunity of a good crisis or something. Yeah, when there's when there's a crisis or a or or or a tragedy happen, never never let it go to waste. They'll always use it for something against us.

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SPEAKER_04 30:13

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SPEAKER_02 30:18

I'm gonna miss the lobster guys. I'm gonna miss the lobster guys. Yeah, I don't know. I I see I see this was the this was the issue I see with the set A's too, and with the Trads who won't say they're set A, but they'll they'll lambast Leo for being an you know for Pachamama idol worship and things like that. These guys want the Trump administration to destroy the church because they see the church as the ape of the church and they don't think it's the true church or whatever they think. And I I don't fully understand what's going on in the church, but I'm not going to add to that chorus of voices. That's all I know. I know there's some horrific things going on in the hierarchy. I think it's way beyond human fixing at this point, but I also don't want to be the one persecuting the church. And I said, like, if there's if there's an issue where real persecution comes, I promise you, whoever does the persecution is not gonna go looking around for the real Catholics who go to the Sete Vacantist chapel. Like that's not how it's going to work, guys. They're gonna go looking for you at your local parish, and they're gonna go looking for you who actually just believe the faith. Because they you can see they all recognize that Catholics are the biggest problem on the Zionist issue. Yeah, like we are clearly the biggest problem because we're the ones jumping right out there saying that Zionism is uh, you know, I I don't I don't know if it's a heresy, I don't know if that's the right way to describe it, but it's clearly a distortion.

SPEAKER_04 31:49

I mean, dispensationalism is for sure.

SPEAKER_02 31:51

It's a heresy, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:52

But like Zion Zionism is probably uh moral error more than anything, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

Um but it's just the we are the ones who are speaking out about it the most, we're the ones who have the most clear understanding of it. We have 2,000 years of church history to examine the relationship between Jews and Christians, so they know we're a problem. Now, if if the church starts getting persecuted, I wonder if some of those trad are gonna go, yeah, but they're just novus order Catholics. Who cares? They're not real Catholics. They do that about almost every other subject, so I don't see why they wouldn't do it then. Calling the Novus Ordo, oh, who cares? They're they're persecuting the Novus Ordo sect.

SPEAKER_04 32:31

Yeah.

Tucker On The War On Christianity

SPEAKER_02 32:32

Bizarre stuff. All right, so let's let's get into the Tucker clips. Um, I put two clips in there that I thought were relevant and and worth listening to. You put three. I thought my tweet in there, right? But I think I I think I put the video without my tweet. Okay. I would go with the war on Christianity one first. Yep, that's what I got here.

SPEAKER_04 32:59

Besides Tucker and Joel Webbin, are there actually any other non prominent non-Catholics speaking out about those real things?

SPEAKER_02 33:10

Dude, I'm telling you, it is kind of interesting that every voice out there is Catholic. You're seeing like you're seeing it's Catholics have a bigger spotlight on the world on the world stage or the American media stage right now than anybody else. They're everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 33:29

Yeah. Bobby's got um, because I know Bobby would probably have given us 20 bucks to show this on YouTube, I'll read it. Uh, Bobby says um about the Trads saying that about the Novus Ordo or the Novus Ordo. That would be awful, but the Novus Ordo crowd doesn't help when they cheer on the persecution of the Trads. That's true too.

SPEAKER_02 33:49

Yeah, yeah, 100%. Look, the fact is, if persecution comes, a lot of those normie Novus Ordo Catholics that go to Mass every week, they're they're gonna bail and like they're just cultural Catholics. The cultural Catholics are not going to face persecution, they'll deny our Lord. Yeah, like they just will. And the all right, we'll do the Tucker stuff first, and then we'll and then we'll get we're I want to get into some of the um some of the conversation with Christian Wagner and um even uh Majarian. Like like remember the tweet the other day where even you were like, well, what about the triumph of our lady? Like we kind of got to discuss that a little bit because we have to have a proper understanding of what our our our king requires of us and what what victory looks like in Christianity. So let's uh let's do the Tucker thing first, though.

SPEAKER_01 34:43

Something maybe even more important than whether we have a nuclear war. What could be more important than that? Well, your soul, the way we worship God, whether we acknowledge God or not, that's more important ultimately than anything else. And you have to think through like, could there be a spiritual component to what we're watching? Is it just a conventional escalation ladder in a badly thought-out war with ill-defined goals, and we just wound up in this really tough place where we face either humiliation on the one side or a nucle, you know, a nuclear launch on the other? That's yeah, that's part of what it is, but could it be something bigger than that? Is it possible that what you're watching is a very stealthy yet incredibly effective attack on what, from a Christian perspective, is the true faith, belief in in Jesus? Is that what really is under attack? Or is that what maybe that's what's been under attack for a long time? Maybe our whole lifetime. Forever. Maybe almost everything we see is an attack on that faith. The one faith that is always attacked. Always and everywhere for two thousand years. It's one many faiths have been attacked, many religious people of different religions have been killed over the past 2,000 years. But there's been only one sustained effort to exterminate a faith. And that's the Christian faith. Could that be part of it?

SPEAKER_02 36:16

Most especially during the 20th century when you had all the communist regimes come up and things like that. But it's the Enlightenment, yeah, and more specifically, the Catholic faith.

SPEAKER_04 36:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:28

So, you know, Tucker Tucker's not Catholic, but he is getting to something where like even the onslaught of immorality that has come about in our lifetimes, but really since the enlightenment, like you said, it's it's always been about undermining Christian society. It's always been about undermining the civilization that the Catholic Church built. And that filth really amped up after the Second World War. Right? With with media, the way things that they depict in movies and TV shows, the propaganda to undermine Christian moral principles has been in overdrive for the past 75 years specifically.

SPEAKER_04 37:11

I mean really since World War I, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:13

Yeah, it's just it's just that has been what we've been dealing with. So, and the thing is, the further you get away from living a like an authentic Christian Catholic Catholic specifically, like the the further you get away from living an authentically Catholic life, the the more dulled your conscience gets, the like the darker your intellect gets, and the more acceptable comments from Donald Trump dropping the F-bomb on Easter get. Like the things that Trump said on Easter were reprehensible. The things he said in the following days, and even before Easter, with the with the he started off with the putting them back to the stone age. On Good Friday, he said that. I think that was Good Friday, talked about putting putting putting Iran back into the Stone Age. Then on Easter Sunday, praise Allah, dropping the F bomb, ending a civilization. Like it was just like Tucker, Tucker had oh, the the the clip I put in is kind of important though, the one with my tweet. Because Tucker Tucker makes this point. Yeah, let's go back to go to my tweet. Yeah, because that one has to pre preempt the Tucker one. Because he talks about Trump purposely purposely not putting his hand on the Bible, which is an interesting because what Tucker's implying is Tucker is very heavily implying that Trump is the man of the man of lawlessness in the second Thessalonians. That's what he's saying. I don't know if he is, I'm just that's what Tucker's saying.

SPEAKER_01 39:02

And is it possible that the president sees this not just in geostrategic terms and military terms and economic terms got open and straight? Okay. Is it possible the president sees this in bigger terms? Sees this as the fulfillment of something or the elevation to some higher office beyond President of the United States. That's entirely possible. And that's not an attack, but it's also not a guess. Because at every turn since the inauguration last January, there have been religious leaders on the scene telling us, telling us out loud, most of us have ignored it because we're just so secular, we just sort of ignore it. We've ignored that this could actually be real. There's something going on here. And we shouldn't ignore that. We should always remember that just because we are a secular nation have been overwhelmingly secular, maybe not coincidentally, since we dropped those atom bombs 80 years ago, doesn't mean that we live in a world where everyone else is secular. And it definitely doesn't mean that the spiritual realm has been eliminated, that it's not real, that the only things that matter are the things that we can see and hear and feel and taste and measure. Talk about fake, talk about a silly religion. That's the silly religion.

Does Trump See A Higher Role

SPEAKER_02 40:30

I guess in the life of every person it is the same clip, but either way, he he he started off the show talking about how Trump didn't put his hand on the Bible and very intentionally looked like he didn't put his hand on the Bible because not because he doesn't believe the Bible, but because he very much does and he doesn't want to be held to account for putting his hand on the Bible because he doesn't plan on following anything in it. Yeah, but I don't think he believes the Bible. Yeah, I don't either. But either way, since the assassination attempt, especially, I mean, uh Trump's entire run, he's been surrounded by zealous, like zealous, insane Protestants, right? But then after the assassination attempt, how many people like Trump has been chosen by God to lead us into this thing? So the question like this, right here. Donald Trump will lead the stone cut, the stone cut from the mountain. The mountain represents the Roman Catholic Church, the stone is the remnant. This is this is the psych psychopathy. This is this is vegano, right? Vegano getting into talking about Trump is the catacomb. Like, are you kidding me? Trump is the catacomb. The church fathers would laugh that would the absurdity of some of these trads and sedes, man. Like, they're just laughably retarded. I'm sorry. Laughably retarded. Like, if you're if that's your position, I don't know, man. Trump, Trump is oh my gosh, man. Like the but the question that Tucker poses, does Trump see himself as some kind of biblical like figure?

SPEAKER_04 42:15

I do think yes. Uh I mean, I just because he's such a you know a narc uh narcissist, I think he does see himself in that sort of fashion.

SPEAKER_02 42:25

Dude, he's acting like an emperor, right? Like he's not acting, like he's acting like Nero, he's acting like this country is his to do whatever he wants with. He could just go in and sweep out any leaders anywhere in the world. Whereas we used to like kind of hide our stuff with CIA ops and things like that. Trump's just like, nope, I'm doing it. It's kind of crazy what he does, man. And um, so I mean, it poses the question: could Trump be the antichrist? Um I saw an interesting um post from uh uh American reform the other day. Let me pull it up, hang on. So uh okay, so he said, by all available evidence, Trump is not the Antichrist, but notice the similarities he bears with the coming of the man of sin, the lawless one who does not fear God, let alone his laws. Uh, from this we perceive a third character of Antichrist, namely that he will not simply be the antagonist, but the substitute or supp or supplanter of the true Messiah. And this is rendered still more probable by the fact that the Messiah looked for by the Jews has always been a temporal deliverer, the restorer of the temporal power, or in other words, a political and military prince. But those who have lost faith in the incarnation, such as humanitarians, rationalists, and pantheists, may well be deceived by any person of great political power and success who should restore the Jews to their own land and people. Jerusalem once more, the people of Jerusalem once more with the sons of the patriarchs, and there is nothing in the political aspect of the world which renders such a combination impossible. That was Cardinal Manning said that. And then he posted a couple of things underneath it. Now, look, the thing is, like American Reform said to me, he's like, Oh, well, you know, I do think we're in the end times, but um, I still think a lot of things need to happen, like the the two, the uh the two witnesses and things like that. But that stuff comes after the antichrist. And I don't, I don't want to all, I also don't want to have such an American-centric view of things where where it's like, yeah, okay, Trump might be deceiving Catholics in America, but what about the rest of the Catholics in the world? He's not he's not deceiving like every he's hated everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 44:51

He's not even deceiving much of the Catholics in America. Yeah, it's you know what I mean. Like, I mean, how can he be the antichrist when the major when 50% of America despise him and 75% of the rest of the world like the antichrist is supposed to be beloved by you know it's supposed to fool nearly everyone, including the you know the the church? So I don't see how Trump fulfills that part of it.

SPEAKER_02 45:16

Yeah, I don't either, but he could be some type of forerunner figure. He could be like I agree.

SPEAKER_04 45:24

Is he a type of antichrist? Yeah, definitely. I'm okay with that.

Antichrist Talk And End Times Caution

SPEAKER_02 45:27

Yeah, he's probably a type. Look, it's hard to say. You can't, you can't. We don't, we're not gonna know, you know. Uh the thing that freaks me out is the stuff he did under COVID and the way he's acting now. Um but I don't I don't know. I mean, who how how can you know? I just I just I just see him as a very significant figure, whatever that means. Like whether he is the actual man of lawlessness, I mean he's certainly acting like him, but um, yeah, I don't know. The other the other thing that kind of connects with this is um like I uh what what was what was my tweet that I that I uh put out that you you had said to me um I can I was I was talking about the tri like the like oh I said I I said something like like the days of triumphalist Christianity are over. Um like the the days of conquering the pagan nations and you know that like those days are just not that's not the time we live in. And you push back on me and say, What about the triumph of our ladies immaculate heart?

SPEAKER_04 46:39

I would say it's not the time we've been living in, but there's no why why couldn't we enter a you know a new phase of history where it is we always could, right?

SPEAKER_02 46:51

Like that possibility is always there. Um, but the way to that is not going to be comfortable anyway. No, like the road to that will not be comfortable in any way whatsoever. And I and I think that this like this ridiculous idea of all these new converts coming in, Catholics are so taking over, like, I think that's a silly mindset. The truth is, like, especially look, we're dealing with this the the question of Islam, things like that. We opened our borders and we let Muslims flood in. If they're and they clearly are trying to stoke tensions between Muslims and Christians. Now, I'm I'm not gonna buy into the E. Michael Jones thesis that we need to buddy up with Muslims. Yeah, it's I'm not I'm not gonna buy into that into that thesis.

SPEAKER_04 47:45

For anyone just joining us or recent joined us recently, something happened with the stream to YouTube, something that we couldn't fix. It's between something in the software. So we're streaming on Twitter, Rumble, and locals.

SPEAKER_02 47:59

So um, if if because you had even said this to me, you were like, Oh, we'll we'll defeat this, we'll defeat the Saracens or something like that, which I don't disagree with, but the I think I said um the cross will conquer both yes, the crescent and the start of uh Rafan, which is yeah, which I agree with, David.

SPEAKER_04 48:24

Yeah, I agree with, but but and and I mean it in the way you're trying to say, like the cross, like the way of the cross will conquer.

SPEAKER_02 48:34

The thing is, like the the way through all of this is going to be Calvary, man. Like all of this, everything we're seeing happening right now. The way through this is the passion, like there, the the the way through the way to our victory is not you can't think like it, like the Jews do, where it's uh like the the the conquering church, like the way through this is martyrdom.

SPEAKER_04 48:58

I I don't I guess I don't know many people that really when those who are triumphalistic, I don't see them triumphalistic in the way you're seeing them. Like, like I I think many people who want the church to be triumphant recognize that, like like like the martyrs of the first few centuries of the church, like they conquered the Roman Empire. That you you can't get more triumphalistic through that, but that's what through martyrdom, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:25

Through martyrdom, like getting thrown in the Colosseum. So that's all I was saying. So people think I'm blackpilling, and I don't think I'm blackpilling at all. This is this this is this is what it means. Like our king is a suffering king, and that's that's the way through this, and it's I don't see any other way around it. I don't I don't see us taking political power. I don't see I see persecution coming.

SPEAKER_04 49:49

Remember, the martyrs did eventually take political power through their martyrdom, through their martyrdom.

SPEAKER_02 49:54

So it's uh but where we are in the world today, I see a passion before especially because of the situation in the church, like the the how degraded the church is in every aspect in her liturgy and her hierarchy and all those things, like it is going to take a tremendous amount of suffering of the saints to restore the church, and that there's just no way around that. That's not a black pill, that's a that's a recognition of what we signed up for at baptism.

Triumph Through The Way Of The Cross

SPEAKER_04 50:29

Well, in you know, the in response to your your post where I asked about you know Our Lady of Adama, what she says about the triumph of the Immaculate Heart, like even Our Lady says, you know, that if the popes don't consecrate Russia, which they haven't, let's just be honest, and they're unlikely to do so before time runs out in three years. Like, yeah, our lady says, you know, whole nations will be destroyed, and she's not talking about like states, you know, and she's not talking about like like of political government. She when she says whole nations will be destroyed, she means whole peoples will be wiped off the face of the earth, but in the city in ruins the triumph of the immaculate heart.

SPEAKER_02 51:10

So that's all I would say. So, yes, the triumph of the immaculate heart, but there is a city in ruins, the Pope walking over dead bodies.

SPEAKER_04 51:18

And let's be honest, like the nations that look like the peoples that are going to be destroyed, it looks very much like many many of those are going to be European peoples wiped off the map by the Mohammedans.

SPEAKER_02 51:29

You go, you go to Our Lady of Akita, same thing, fire will fall from the sky, a deluge not seen since the days of the of Noah. Like, this is what is ahead of us. So, whether it's the end or just the beginning of something new, that is what lies ahead of us, and people have to recognize that. And that's not a defeatist black pill. That is, hey, like that doesn't mean you don't still do Catholic action, that doesn't mean you don't still try to make inroads, but it's just about people need to recognize the times we're in, and the times we're in is increasingly hostile towards the faith. As much as like we have a voice now and it feels like we're like we're you know we're out there talking, that's that's gonna turn quickly. And we thought it was going to turn through um, which it still very much is, like with the whole LGBT thing. Like they've managed to make love hate and hate love, right? Like they've managed to invert what is good and what is evil in in our general society. So, yes, we might have a victory here and a victory there with certain things, and maybe maybe in media here and media there, but the reality is that's the world hates us, and they and Christ warns us of this, and he says, the world hated me first. Don't be surprised when they hate you. So it's what it's what I see on the horizon, and I don't think that's blackpilling. I think that's like we we should honestly like the proper Christian response is longing for martyrdom. I mean, when you have families, that's not easy, but especially I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 53:14

Uh I don't know if we should long for martyrdom, right?

SPEAKER_02 53:18

Like, I don't know. You read you read Ignatius as he's on his way to the pit, man.

SPEAKER_04 53:23

He's like grinding on his way there, it's already happening. But I think if you had asked him prior to that, like, would you rather be martyred or would you rather like convert the emperor like right now? One of those is better.

SPEAKER_02 53:40

Yeah, for sure. Listen, I don't want I don't want to face martyrdom either. I'm just it's just the the way the way things are unfolding. I just you know, I don't think it's a black pill either. And I and I think that there's you know the opportunity to possibly see how the story plays out is also an amazing thing. Like, I don't see that as a black pill, I don't know. But the the the reality is uh the what Wagner was getting into was he was reading some of the old testament prophecies about how all the nations will like convert, and that period happened already, and the gospel was spread to the whole earth.

SPEAKER_04 54:24

It has you did not have large-scale conversions in China, you did not have it in Japan, you did not have it in Korea, did not have it in South Asia, you didn't have it in Australia, Australia.

SPEAKER_02 54:37

The gospel was still preached there, and I don't think it's every nation becomes Catholic. Like, I don't think that's what that means. That's just not how God ever worked in salvation history, it was always preserving a remnant, or it was like that's just so. I don't, I don't, I I think if you're reading those old testament prophecies, yeah, it could, you know, you're you're also forgetting that the church triumphant is part of that. Like the church triumphant is always growing and it's always so I I it just seems to me that the days of I mean, we literally still have uncontacted tribes in the world, yeah. All right, so I'm not look, I'm just saying not every single it's not every single nation will will convert like that. I don't, I don't, I just don't think that's you know, when you see it in hindsight, it'll seem that way. Just like when we look back on church history and we see like this glorious period of, you know, as the church is spreading in in what they call the dark ages is actually the most beautiful age of the church, the time of the church fathers, it's the time of the spread of Christianity, and it goes it goes right up that first millennium of Christianity is kind of what you're seeing where that's happening. And who's to say that like the world could have been just the known world at the time? Could have you know, like no, I don't know. It's it's it's a there's there's a lot to get there's a lot to think about in that, but either way, what it seems like at this point is that the church herself is telling us like the Great Commission is over, the Great Commission is never over, but the church seems to be acting that way, right? By inviting other religions to the Vatican, and instead of calling them to convert, they're but just because the church acts that way doesn't mean we should say oh end of the world, then I guess any of I don't think any of us should ever say that, right? But you can still see what's happening, like you can still see what's happening, but that doesn't mean it has to happen. I I don't I don't think we still have agency, we still have free will. I of course nobody say, and I'm not saying resign yourself to to the end of the world either, but that's kind of the point. You but you but recognizing the signs of the times is not a black pill either.

SPEAKER_04 56:58

So you have to recognize that they are only signs of the current times and that we can still change things and we can make things better, and so we're never gonna have a utopia on earth, but no, but the especially through penance, right?

SPEAKER_02 57:11

Because that's everything our lady tells us is penance, penance, penance. I'm I'm having a hard time holding back the wrath of my son right now. Like, that's why like and and what we talked about with Sam Shamoon was the debt ceiling of sin that God can only tolerate so much before he just loses it, and that's what happened with Israel. When Jesus in Matthew 23, Jesus goes to the Pharisees and he's like, You have reached the debt ceiling of sin, God is fed up, you will have one generation to repent. And if you do not repent, all of this is going to be destroyed. And I think that was our lady coming to us in Fatima, and he gave us more than a generation. I mean, literally, our lady was saying to us at Fatima the same thing Jesus was saying to the Pharisees before the temple was destroyed. And I can't not, you know, I'm not gonna just write that off. And that doesn't mean there won't be a resurrection of the church after and another age of the church after, but what we're heading into right now is going to be rough, is all I'm saying. And if we do hope to have some kind of a return to Christendom or a return to Christian civilization, it's the way through that is going to be through the cross. Like it's going to be rough. It's the only way to see it. Again, it's not going to be some triumphalistic thing where the church is doing like once again. I mean, it's not behaving like it did in the middle ages, is all I'm saying.

Fasting And Detachment As Preparation

SPEAKER_04 58:41

I think maybe you have a misconception like the middle, like well, the early, you know, the early, early, earlier centuries. Middle ages, they were they were fighting crusades within Europe, uh, from you know, against against pagan fighting crusades, though.

SPEAKER_02 58:58

Nobody's calling a crusade now. Nobody's calling a crusade now. And when we when the Muslims attack, it is not gonna be a crusade against it, it's gonna be we need to sit in dialogue. It's not gonna be called from the church, though.

SPEAKER_04 59:12

Yeah, maybe, maybe not.

SPEAKER_02 59:14

Yeah, I can't. I mean, nobody knows the future, but I'm just right.

SPEAKER_04 59:19

So stop stop acting like you do, and even though you're not, I know you're not, I know you're not. I know I'm being contrarian for the sake of being contrary. No, no, no, no. I know you're not, but the way you come off sometimes on Twitter and on here to people who don't know you as well, is that you you it does come off as black pilling, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:38

It does come off as nihilistic, it's reality, like it and it should be and it should be all of us.

SPEAKER_04 59:44

It's potentially reality.

SPEAKER_02 59:46

No, it's reality in that the way of a Christian's life is one marked by suffering. And if you and if you and if we want any hope of rebuilding something, we better like that's how that's how it works. Like, our our our king is a suffering king, and if you want the things that people are saying they want, we have to embrace that, and we have to be willing to suffer in order to get that.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:11

Yes, okay, I I understand. When though, when we now look on periods like the Middle Ages, like the Crusades, for instance, and we see them as this glorious, triumphalistic age of Christianity, we have to understand that at that time it did not feel that way to those men. Those men were were the scourge of of Islam was raging all across Europe, raging all over Europe. You know, it was it was literally had Europe in a stranglehold. Like, if you if you read the the the battles of the crusades, the of the first crusade, every battle they won, it was due literally due to actual miracles when they took Antioch and when they took Jerusalem. Like, there is no way those men should have won. They thought they were walking into you know certain death each and every single time, and yeah, they look it it ended up glorious, but they suffered, they suffered far more than you and I suffer, you know. Like, like sure, I I agree, it's not gonna feel triumph triumphalistic to us, but if we win 500 years from now, if the world's still around, it might seem it might seem that way to that.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:24

But what we're embarking on right now is all I'm trying to get at. Like, there can be this glorious resurrection, there can be this glorious return, but the way the way there is going to not be by owning the Protestants on Twitter. That's not that's just you know, that's not gonna be the way we do it. That's all I'm saying. It's not gonna be by electing somebody to office. Damn, can Joe Hirschmeyer own them, though? That was a oh man. If you guys have even 25 minutes to watch, just go watch the cross-exam between Joe Heshmeier and Doug Wilson. Joe, what's crazy is Joe is so comfortable because he knows he has the winning argument. Like, he's just like sitting there and not even trying, and Doug Wilson is so nervous, he's stuttering.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:12

He's like, um, um, uh, well, um, I'm like, oh man, he got destroyed.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:18

Yeah, I think um, I just think that we should be preparing people for um for what it means to be like what do you what like the whole purpose of fasting and the whole purpose is of all of the sacrifices you make as a as a cat. That's why, like the new commerce. My first advice is get into a life of fasting because what you're doing is preparing yourself, because it's we very easily could be in a situation where we only have God to depend on, and that would be a great mercy from Him, and it would lead to mass death at the same time, right? You have something where like we're so dependent on our devices, we're so dependent on our modern everything. If something happened where we were knocked back to the Stone Age, you'd literally the only thing you'd have to depend on is God, you'd have none of your modern comforts, and as horrible of a situation as that would be, it might just be the thing that saves our souls, yeah. You know, so it's that's that's just just the the view, I think a proper Christian view of it, because especially with all the way the world events are working right now, it's just it's between the AI thing, the alien thing, the prop the the the visions of our lady that can't all the stuff like it'd be you'd be naive to not consider these things, is all I'm saying. Like you'd be naive to not consider these things, and I'm not saying go the route of the you know, the the uh people who chase apparitions and they're always oh the end of the world's coming, and we need our three days of darkness candles and things like that. It's just just prepare yourself for something, like prepare yourself the way the church has always taught us to prepare ourselves through fasting and through like denying ourselves pleasures because man, I think about like if like the even if the economy crashed, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:19

It's just did you see the revised numbers for the end of last year?

Moving Behind The Paywall

SPEAKER_02 1:04:24

It it just an economy crash is not something that is like out of like it could very easily come. We could very easily end up back in a Great Depression. And think about how many people took their lives during the Great Depression, right? Because I know so many people who live lives of such comfort and luxury, and God isn't even on their minds. And if they lost all their material goods, I I don't see how they would, I don't know what they would do. People I love, people in my life that I just think if their material possessions were just suddenly gone and they didn't have the millions in the bank that they're used to, like that is going to lead to catastrophe for those people, and we can't have that perspective as Christians, like we just really can't. So um I got okay, so I obviously I would have jumped over to locals at this point, but we're already on locals, but I got do we want to make it locals only?

SPEAKER_04 1:05:23

Um, yeah, we could well because we're on Twitter and Rumble right now, and in the local, I haven't clicked up members only part of local, so yeah, let's do locals only.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:34

You guys you bums gotta pay for the for the exclusive content. If you're watching on uh on X or Rumble, you gotta come over to locals. Um but I got a couple of Fuentes clips I want to play. Yeah, I want to play the Fuentes clips, and they're vulgar, so I'd rather those just be behind the paywall.