Did Tucker Just Call Trump the ANTICHRIST? And Pope Leo Makes Waves (Full LOCALS Show)

You can tell a lot about the state of Catholic life by what derails us. A sponsor read turns into a full platform failure, and the tech chaos quickly exposes something bigger: how easily our attention gets hijacked by online factions, trad drama, and political tribes that demand loyalty in exchange for belonging. We end up asking the question most Catholic commentary avoids: when faith and politics collide, what actually forms your conscience?

We dig into the Christopher Hale rumor about Pentagon pressure on the Vatican, Pope Leo’s generic call for peace, and the way “woke Pope” narratives spread across MAGA and parts of the trad scene. From there we talk about Trump’s escalating rhetoric, why excusing evil as “just bluffing” dulls the soul, and why Catholics should resist any attempt by the modern state to police the Church, even when the hierarchy is a mess. Patriotism matters, but it is love of your nation and its people, not devotion to parties, agencies, or personality cults.

The back half gets more spiritual and more practical: Tucker Carlson’s claim that Christianity is under sustained attack, cautious end-times talk, and what Catholic victory looks like when our King conquers through the Cross. We bring in Fatima, the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart, and the uncomfortable link between hope and suffering. The takeaway is simple and hard: build the habits now, especially fasting, penance, prayer, and detachment, because comfort disappears fast in war, economic collapse, or the next manufactured “emergency.”

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YouTube Stream Suddenly Fails

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Stop. What YouTube's not live. Why? That's a good question. It's set up right.

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YouTube is just saying StreamYard is not sending it anything.

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It's showing that it's live.

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Right, and it locals is live, they're saying. What is going on? Hey, if anyone's watching on Twitter, can you put a comment in? We'll see it. Let me just go to Twitter to see if we're live on Twitter. What is going on here?

SPEAKER_04 3:24

Oh no, what a terrible. We're live everywhere but YouTube.

SPEAKER_05 3:34

Um this it's not like locals where I have to put in manual um programming stuff. It should automatically go. Yeah, it should just automatically go.

SPEAKER_02 3:45

Can you kill just the YouTube and then restart it?

SPEAKER_03 3:50

Um I don't think so. What is going on here?

SPEAKER_02 4:00

Oh my goodness, you guys are in for a fun show tonight, I guess.

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So on Tuesday when we did a show, and I logged into StreamYard, it that day it said it was having problems with YouTube that day, but that day it worked for us. Today it's not showing it didn't show any error codes. But now it's not working.

SPEAKER_04 4:21

Showing that it's live.

SPEAKER_02 4:22

Like this is really weird.

SPEAKER_05 4:26

Um, since YouTube's not working anyways, let me just see if I can remove it. I don't I don't think I even if I can't I even if I add it back in, how do we send it? Live.

SPEAKER_03 4:41

Oh my gosh.

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Well basically, why don't we just start a new stream though? Because it's only like locals people. But I don't know if it'll start. That's the problem.

SPEAKER_05 4:51

Right, what if it doesn't start? Then we've killed the show.

SPEAKER_13 4:57

Why the heck is it not going on?

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Locals only tomorrow.

SPEAKER_02 5:09

Upload it to YouTube later. That's really odd. I mean, we could do a two-hour uh local show. Just clip it later. You guys are in for a treat tonight.

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Should we keep Rumble and Twitter going? Or yeah, I guess we'll keep it. Or make it or make it just locals.

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Um all right, so how do we let the can you just post a comment and just tell everybody something's going on with in the live audience? Tell everybody to tell everybody, yeah, tell everybody they can go watch us on Twitter, they can watch us on Rumble.

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Okay.

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Um we will do the show on X, Rumble, and Vocals and upload and on here tomorrow.

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Um what a what a bizarre intro. And I guess we'll cut all this out when we post it later. No, all right, so that's that's a lot of work. Oh man, this is uh this is Black Monk Rosary's big debut. Man, I mean we'll post it later, but oh my goodness, what the heck? What is going on? All right, so everybody go over to locals. Let's hope they all go over to locals.

SPEAKER_05 6:35

So um, I'll post the link to locals here real quick in the YouTube chat.

Trad Infighting And Twitter Fallout

SPEAKER_02 6:42

Um people are like, wait, you guys have a rumble channel? Uh all right, well, we can't be highlighting comments, but I guess we'll just do a local show. What's funny is if you guys want to watch on locals but comment on YouTube, we can highlight your comments. Or if you want to comment on X, we can highlight your comments. Man, that's so weird. All right, so anyway, yeah, Black Monk Rosaries use uh use uh promo code Avoiding Babylon. I don't know, man. I have like complete brain rot from uh being on my phone too much, I think. We had Keith on the other day, and he would be talking. I'm like, okay, I have something I can get with this, and then like he would finish talking, I would completely forget what he what I was going to say. Like my brain is I don't know if it's from lack of sleep or if it's from looking at my phone too much, but uh yeah, I don't know, man. I'm I'm kind of getting fed up with uh with the trads a bit too.

SPEAKER_05 7:52

Oh, we're starting with that, are we? I think we should. Just remember that. Well, I guess it's all gonna be on YouTube at some point, but yeah, it'll be on it'll be on YouTube, but um yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 8:04

Like the whole thing with with Stein the other day. So uh the the going theory on that is that he he I think he started to be upset with me when I said I mean I'm I goofed on the Trads for covering the Leo Pachamama story, yeah. And I was like, you guys are really like making it like it's headline news the cover of 30-year-old photograph, and I think he got upset at that, and then the the whole me posting a screw a screenshot of me saying a year ago, I said by the end of Trump's presidency, the whole world will be at war, and he said to me, Stop being effeminate about politics, Shirley.

SPEAKER_05 8:50

I don't think he knows what that word means, like most Red.

SPEAKER_02 8:52

I truly don't think he knows what it means. So I posted a screenshot of his comment underneath mine, and I said, Are the Trump guys still holding that I'm crazy for this tweet a year ago?

SPEAKER_05 9:04

And he we forgot to do our second sponsor, by the way.

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We'll do it, we'll do it in the middle of the show. They they loved my last read, by the way. They loved the last read. Um, so they um so yeah, so he blocked me, and then behind behind like closed doors, he's in group chats and DMs, he's telling everybody that I'm effeminate. I'm like, you blocked me and claimed that a bunch of groupers were harassing you, and you're saying I'm a like I don't understand guys that get into guys that get into this arena and can't handle a couple of Twitter comments. Like, I don't know, man. Like the because Stein was my friend, like he's been on our show multiple times. I had conversations like when we were considering going over to Pelican, I was talking to him and trying to see if he wanted to go over there too. Like, I you know, that was that's the relationship I have with him, and then why? Because I don't like Trump. Like the the would have really helped him out too. I mean, it definitely helped the collegium out. Well, not on YouTube, may as well go for broke tonight. Um, there's also like the the tradsu yes, we can see rumble chats. Can you guys see the chat? Yes, we can see rumble chats.

SPEAKER_05 10:21

We can see rumble and acts. Um, well, we well, we can see locals too, but we can't show locals, it doesn't work.

SPEAKER_02 10:28

Yeah, we just can't highlight locals' comments. Um, all right, yeah, so all right, so anyway, there's something going on with with the trads, like the the Uber traders who think Leo's an anti-pope, and they're all obsessed with Trump. And I think it has to do with like a daddy issue, like they're missing their father in Rome, so they've replaced the Pope with Trump. It's a lot of them. Seems weird, man. There's a lot of them like that. Like, like once you once you once you decide that Leo's not the Pope, like your brain breaks and you think Trump's your daddy, and you can't see clearly anymore. It's it's a very very strange thing that we're watching right now. But so the Christopher Hale ridiculous story came out, right?

SPEAKER_05 11:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:19

Let's bring that up. Let's bring that ridiculous. I think I put it in Telegram. We'll go with that first, and that'll lead into the Tucker stuff because um we're gonna post this in clips later anyway, so uh we may as well just we don't know what happened with YouTube. YouTube just decided it doesn't want to stream us tonight. So this video, oh so you removed it totally.

SPEAKER_05 11:44

Yeah, because I I needed it removed. If I'm gonna post something tomorrow. Okay. It was really weird. That was weird. Gave me no indication I wasn't streaming it to YouTube.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

Yeah, so Christopher Hale comes out with his ridiculous story. This is a slow-moving show. We gotta we gotta pick up the pace here. So getting lost in the weeds. Um, all right, so a meeting between Cardinal Christophe Pierre and the Pentagon was described as bitter a bitter lecture during which a U.S. official invoked the Avignon papacy, a 14th century period when the French crown used military power to influence the papacy as an implicit warning to the church. Then I put Leo the clip of Leo this morning, um, in in there too. See if you could grab that. Because I want to play that with this, and I want to kind of talk about this a little bit.

SPEAKER_14 12:41

And and the reaction to Catholics in the in the public sphere today was freaking ridiculous.

SPEAKER_02 12:50

So this is this was Leo's statement.

SPEAKER_05 12:53

Not on this subject. No, no, no. This is on the war.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

Right. In English, I I would simply say um once again what I said in the Urbi at Urbi message on Sunday, asking all people of goodwill to search always for peace and not violence, to reject war, especially a war which many people have said is an unjust war, which uh is continuing to escalate, and uh which is not resolving anything. In fact, we have a worldwide economic crisis, energy crisis, um situation in the Middle East of great instability, which is only provoking more hatred throughout the world. So come back to the table, let's talk, let's look for solutions in a peaceful way, and let's remember, especially the innocent children, the elderly, the sick, so many people who have already become or will become victims of this uh continued warfare. Uh, to remind all that uh attacks on uh civilian infrastructure is against international law, but that it is also a sign uh of uh the hatred, the division, the destruction that the human being is capable of. And we all want to work for peace. People want peace. I would invite the citizens of all the countries involved to contact the authorities, political leaders, congressmen, to uh ask them, tell them to work for peace and to reject war always. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_02 14:35

That was such a milked toast, let's talk and dialogue instead of go to war thing. And everybody's on the on on the MAGA right reacting, like they're reacting like the woke pope. Like, what do you expect the Pope to say? First of all, like my issue with it is that he doesn't come out and condemn Israel. Like that's that's my issue with it. But the the MAGA rights, like you're woke Pope, and all this crap, and even from the Trads, like the Trads, too, calling him a woke Pope. Like, that was such a a generic, like, I don't know. Like, my issue with it is that Leo's Leo doesn't hold like a very masculine presence, right? He seems kind of like timid in all of his approaches, he's looking down at the floor as he's saying it. But I mean, what he said there is not offensive at all. No, he attacked Trump like he's the Pope and he's calling for peace. I would hope the Pope would call for peace, and the way people reacted to it is just absurd. And then to watch how the insane Protestants reacted to it, and then to watch how the insane Protestants, even reacting to anything, like even the past couple of weeks, all the stuff that's been going down. Like my question for these trads who are who they won't say they're sede vicantes. That's what's I like ironic about it. They won't say their sedes, but they'll trash Leo at any chance they get, they'll dog on him. I even I like Liz Yore a couple of weeks ago is calling for the for the Trump administration to to to investigate the Vatican.

SPEAKER_05 16:11

To clarify, it's not it's not just Trads, it's also like hardcore GOP Republican, conservative Catholics, too. Yeah, for sure. And I don't I don't mean conservative in like an actual conservative way because they're really liberal, but hardcore Republican Catholics too, MAGA, the MAGA cult.

MAGA Loyalty Versus Moral Clarity

SPEAKER_02 16:31

People that are so diehard MAGA that they can't judge an individual situation and say, hey, this is wrong. Like the things that Trump has said over the past couple of days, neocons in general. Yeah, the things that Trump has said over the past couple of days are appalling, and you'll see people just kind of like writing it off, like, oh, he's just he's just bluffing. Everyone knows he's bluffing. It's like, well, if he's bluffing, why is he saying it? But just this this careless attitude towards horrific comments about genocidal behavior.

SPEAKER_05 17:02

It it's funny how um so many trads will uh bring up um you know, like St. Alphonsus, uh, you know, when it comes to like sins about the sixth and ninth commandment, but they won't bring up St. Alphonsus and what he says about you know exaggeration and lying when it comes to whatever Trump is saying at the you know, current point. It's like it doesn't matter if if Trump didn't mean it like that, what he said there was still one, probably insane and crazy, like legitimately, and two sinful.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

Send them back to the stone age was one. We're gonna end an entire civilization was another. Dropping the F-bomb on Easter praisle, yeah. Like, what are we doing? I honestly like I can't watch anything with Trump anymore. Like, I just I can't, I don't I when he's on a news conference, I don't want to see it. I I just and the thing is, uh, somebody said the left was right, MAGA is a cult. And the thing is, none of none of us said it was. I didn't think it was because I always knew I could differentiate between like Trump is hilarious at times, like he's really funny at times. I don't have Trump derangement syndrome, I had Trump disappointment syndrome for a long time, and now I'm just like, dude, can you please tell Israel no to anything? That's the point I'm at. It's it's insane. My my my view on Trump with the Israel stuff, because a lot of people think, oh, you think it's Epstein, you think they're blackmailing him. I think that this is he sees them as his ticket to an extended term, whatever that looks like. That like you know, not maybe I don't know if that means canceling the election for a period of time, or if that means they get him in for a third term. I don't know what that means, but I think it in his eyes, he watched them rob the 2020 election from him, and then he came in 2024 and just like coasted him without an issue. And I think he is under the impression, and he's probably right, that they can literally control elections. And if he does what they want, they're gonna want to keep him in. He all right, so since Trump, since COVID and the and the and the mass stopping under Trump in his last term in his 2016 term, like when COVID happens and the and the and the sacraments got shut down for that three and a half month period, like I was very taken back by that. I never like so when he was running again in 2020 and 20 and 2024, mainly 2024. I was like, why is nobody talking about like he gave us operation warp speed? He's the like he did all these really twisted things, and oh, he he's the one that allowed um that's not the don't uh the he let he allowed gays in the military, he allowed fannies in the military, you know.

SPEAKER_05 20:09

Like yeah, we should have Rob.

SPEAKER_02 20:11

He enacted all of the stuff during COVID that allowed them to steal the election in 2024, like he in 2020, like he is the one who put this stuff in place for mail-in voting, like he like he put all this crap into play. I mean, I know states did it individually, but it was all because of his thing that he was, and you know, when 2024 came around and we were voting in that election, I got caught up in the whole try telling you the whole theater of it. It was crazy because we were both like not voting in 2024, we were both not voting, and then stupid cavazos coming on the show.

SPEAKER_05 20:50

It was Nick, I blame him, you're right.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

Stupid cavazzo's coming on the show, and and the and the and the assassination attempt and all of it. And I was like, I was like, oh, we gotta we gotta take a crack at this. And within a month of him being in there, I just had this freaking feeling of doom came over me, and all I could think about was the three and a half months we lost the sacraments, and the the way he was handling things, and I'm just like, this guy's acting, he's not acting like he's first off, he's not gonna do any of the things he said he was going to do, and he's not even trying to fix the system, he's trying to change the system completely into something new. Like I don't even know if he's really trying to do that. Well, what I what I meant, yeah. Yeah, I don't know what he I don't know what he I don't know what he does. Like, he's just a freaking narcissist. Yeah, like he's just a freaking retarded narcissist, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_05 21:52

Uh yeah, and I think he's actually losing grasp on reality, to tell you the truth.

SPEAKER_02 21:57

Dude, did you uh I guess we could we should go through. the Tucker stuff. Uh Cavazos is doing his political show now and it's unwatchable. It's unwatchable in my opinion. I don't know what I don't know what he's doing. I tried to check a couple of the things he's doing and in one in one clip he's literally defending a Jewish woman.

SPEAKER_05 22:21

What?

SPEAKER_02 22:22

Who's on on on uh Piers Morgan.

SPEAKER_05 22:26

I don't know what's more offensive about that. The Jewish part or the woman part.

SPEAKER_02 22:30

Yeah like this woman's right Islam is a problem. And it's like yes we know like the whole thing yeah I'm getting so tired of that too.

SPEAKER_05 22:37

I know exactly where you're going guess what you can be against the Jews and still be against Islam too.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

Oh man I don't know things are just I I'm just I've just kind of had it with the Tratosphere and the I'm all ready to strangle people like yeah I don't know man I'm just like I but my point is the the Christopher Hale story the reason I brought that up is let's say that because I never thought Trump was threatening violence against the Vatican no what I'm what what I would take that as if it happened in any way if the tr if the if the White House is throwing any kind of threat towards the Vatican the threat is not violence they're not going to send their military in it's hey we can do a little investigating here we could you know all of a sudden the bishops you look into the all the all the funding that came through with the immigration stuff and look i that stuff was awful right none of us will support that you look at Michael Hitchborne's reporting some of the stuff that goes on in there it was horrific with catholic charities and stuff but there's still an element where like you don't want the new Roman Empire meddling in the things of the church like you don't want that there's there's no place where and and I I I made a like when you learn church history you learn about these periods in history where the we're where France and where the Holy Roman Empire and and you know political entities messed with the church and it was never a good thing like come on and listen the thing is even even if you're unhappy with the things going on at the Vatican like you don't want to I I made a decision like I don't want to add to the chorus of voices trashing the hierarchy anymore because first of all I don't want to face that on judgment day I like I don't want to because if you read what the saints say about those who criticize the hierarchy it's like it's scary stuff but also I don't want to ever be a converso in the church who's who's like trying to undermine the unity of the church I was gonna say I like uh I don't have a problem criticizing the hierarchy and the things they do but I do I I completely agree I will never work against the church no way in hell and work against the unity of the church like right against the unity of the body of Christ and make it make yourself an adversary of the papacy and like it was such an uncatholic thing we dealt with under Francis. It was a it felt so wrong even though we felt like we were doing the right thing and you know we were following our kind like I what once Leo came in I just I just decided I don't want to do that anymore. I really don't I don't want to ever work to undermine the unity of the church um and if the persecution does come because I see America as the new Rome and the Roman Empire is what persecutes the church in the first century and if that if that happens there are trads who will cheer it on.

Church First When States Meddle

SPEAKER_05 25:46

Yeah so for whether the Christopher Hale's story was legit or not the question is if that happens where the US government decides they're gonna start meddling in the business of the church I don't what like what side do you take on that you're a Catholic you take the church's side in that like your loyalties lie to Christ first and his church and then the government and then America especially well and this isn't working like we're not saying we're taking the church side over America where it's we're saying like the the uh the government that rules america is not america people need to realize that when you are when you are patriotic when you're an American patriot it's about loving your nation but loving its people its history its culture its food its land it's not about loving Donald Trump or Kamala Harris or the Democrats or the Republicans or the CIA or the FBI or Congress or any of that bullshit.

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SPEAKER_02 26:46

So uh Mrs. Casey we just read it the Christopher Hale story was that the Pentagon called Cardinal Pierre into uh into the White House and they read him the riot act and told him he'd better get on board with Trump's uh foreign policy or or else and and he reminded him of the Avignon papacy what you know it was just it was a stupid story and I didn't take any I didn't give it any credit because Christopher Hale just says it sounds like the meeting happened but yeah the it was not like yeah it was a total mischaracterization of what went on but regardless I do see look I'll you want to imagine a scenario where the government persecutes the church think about the COVID vaccine yeah the COVID vaccine now the problem was Francis was helping them along with that but let's pray that doesn't happen again and especially when it's coming from Trump if this if there's another emergency hopefully the Pope will stand against it. And maybe but the fact maybe it's maybe it's divine providence that it is Trump in there and we know the hierarchy hates Trump. So maybe they will push back against some kind of tyrannical thing that is attempted under the Trump presidency. Maybe because I don't care who the president is I don't want to get you stupid jab I don't want to get you I'm not taking whatever the hell they want to give whatever it is. Yeah and it's a way for them to persecute the church they shut the churches down under the last pandemic and we're clearly heading towards something who the hell knows what it is but there there's a there never take a never what is it was what's the saying it's like never waste an up never waste the opportunity of a good crisis or something. Yeah when there's when there's a crisis or a or or or a tragedy happen never never let it go to waste they'll always use it for something against us. Apparently the black monk rosary code does work someone just bought a rosary with the code guys yeah we can't push black monk enough and honestly I guess we'll do we'll do our knick knack promo because knick knack the guy the last episode we had Keith on I did a I did a knick knack promo and I was like uh look the truth is these are the only Catholic nicotine product out there and with every purchase you get an indulgence I think I said something along those lines no we love knick knack man knicknack.com uh they they were there man they just the just the faith our sponsors have in us to promote their stuff is amazing but knick knack.com you won't have these stupid spitballs laying around your house uh rob and I are both fans of the citrus flavor knick knack is a nicotine product uh nicotine is an addictive substance which is why it's awesome it's an awesome substance the I'm sure the FDA loves us it's an awesome substance uh we love we love Knickknacks but uh also it's not a smoking cessation device although it does certainly help but it's not an official smoking cessation device we're not allowed to say it is but not allowed to say it like we can't promote it as that but you know it definitely works uh yes never never let a good crisis go to waste so knick knack.com use code ab25 for your first order 25% off your first order we are working on getting a promo code for those who want to continue to buy them we're gonna see if we can get you guys 10% off nicknack.com um the uh someone's nicknacks actually made me violently ill I began projectile vomiting lobster and wine everywhere I'm gonna miss the lobster guys I'm gonna miss the lobster guys yeah I don't know I I see I see this was the this was the issue I see with the set A's too and with the trads who won't say they're set a but they'll they'll lambast Leo for being an you know for for for Pachamama idol worship and things like that. These guys want the Trump administration to destroy the church because they see the church as the ape of the church and they don't think it's the true church or whatever they think. And I I don't fully understand what's going on in the church but I'm not going to add to that chorus of voices. That's all I know. I know there's some horrific things going on in the hierarchy. I think it's way beyond human fixing at this point. But I also don't want to be the one persecuting the church and I said like if there's if there's an issue where real persecution comes I promise you whoever does the persecution is not going to go looking around for the real Catholics who go to the Sete Vicantis chapel. Like that's not how it's going to work guys. They're gonna go looking for you at your local parish and they're gonna go looking for you who actually just believe the faith because they you can see they all recognize that Catholics are the biggest problem on on the Zionist issue. Yeah like we are clearly the biggest problem because we're the ones jumping right out there saying that Zionism is uh you know I I don't I don't know if it's a heresy I don't know if that's the right way to describe it but it's clearly a distortion I mean dispensationalism is for sure is a heresy yeah but like Zion Zionism is probably a moral error more than anything. Yeah and but it's just the we are the ones who are speaking out about it the most the most we're the ones who have the most clear understanding of it we have 2000 years of church history to examine the relationship between Jews and Christians so they know we're a problem. Now if if the church starts getting persecuted I wonder if some of those trads are going to go yeah but they're just novice order Catholics who cares they're not real Catholics they do that about almost every other subject so I don't see why they wouldn't you do it then. Calling the Novusord oh who cares that they're persecuting the novice order sect yeah bizarre stuff. Alright so let's let's get into the Tucker clips um I put two clips in there that I thought were relevant and and worth listening to you put three I put my tweet in there right but I think I I think I put the video without my tweet okay I would go with the war on christianity one first. Yep that's what I got here besides Tucker and Joel Webin are there actually any other non prominent non-Catholic speaking out about these real things dude I'm telling you it is kind of interesting that every voice out there is Catholic it you're seeing like you're see if Catholics have a bigger spotlight on the world on the world stage or the American media stage right now than anybody else they're everywhere.

SPEAKER_05 33:29

Yeah Bobby's got um because I know Bobby would probably have given us 20 bucks to show this on YouTube I'll read it uh Bobby says um about the Trads saying that about the novice or the novus ordo that would be awful but the novice ordo crowd doesn't help when they cheer on the persecution of the Trads. That's true too.

Tucker On A War Against Christianity

SPEAKER_02 33:49

Yeah yeah 100% look the fact is if persecution comes a lot of those normie novus ordo Catholics that go to mass every week they're they're gonna bail and like they're just cultural Catholic the cultural Catholics are not going to face persecution they'll deny our Lord yeah like they just will and the all right we'll do the Tucker stuff first and then we'll and then we'll get we're I want to get into some of the um some of the conversation with Christian Wagner and um even uh Majarian like like remember the tweet the other day where even you were like well what about the triumph of our lady like we kind of got to discuss that a little bit because we have to have a proper understanding of what our our our king requires of us and what what victory looks like in Christianity.

SPEAKER_07 34:39

So let's uh let's do the Tucker thing first though something maybe even more important than whether we have a nuclear war what could be more important than that well your soul the way we worship God whether we acknowledge God or not that's more important ultimately than anything else and you have to think through like could there be a spiritual component to what we're watching? Is it just a conventional escalation ladder in a badly thought out war with ill-defined goals and we just wound up in this really tough place where we face either humiliation on the one side or a nucle you know a nuclear launch on the other that's yeah that's part of what it is but could it be something bigger than that? Is it possible that what you're watching is a very stealthy yet incredibly effective attack on what from a Christian perspective is the true faith belief in in Jesus Is that what really is under attack or is that what maybe that's what's been under attack for a long time. Maybe our whole lifetime forever maybe almost everything we see is an attack on that faith. The one faith that is always attacked always and everywhere for two thousand years it's one many faiths have been attacked many religious people of different religions have been killed over the past two thousand years. But there's been only one sustained effort to exterminate a faith and that's the Christian faith. Could that be part of it?

Does Trump See A Higher Role

SPEAKER_02 36:16

Most especially during the 20th century when you had all the communist regimes come up and things like that. But since the Enlightenment yeah and more specifically the Catholic faith yeah so you know Tucker Tucker's not Catholic but he is getting to something where like even the onslaught of immorality that has come about in our lifetimes but really since the enlightenment like you said it's it's always been about undermining Christian society. It's always been about undermining the civilization that the Catholic Church built and that filth really amped up after the Second World War right with with media the way things that they depict in movies and TV shows the propaganda to undermine Christian moral principles has been in overdrive for the past 75 years specifically I mean since World War I yeah yeah it's just it's just that has been what we've been dealing with so and the thing is the further you get away from living a like a an authentic Christian Catholic Catholic specifically like the the further you get away from living an authentically Catholic life the the more dulled your conscience gets the like the darker your intellect gets and the more acceptable comments from Donald Trump dropping the F bomb on Easter get like the things that Trump said on Easter were reprehensible. The things he said in the following days and even before Easter with the with the he started off with the putting them back to the stone age on Good Friday he said that I think I think that was good Friday talked about putting putting putting Iran back into the Stone Age then on Easter Sunday praise Allah dropping the F bomb ending a civilization like it was just like Tucker Tucker oh the the the clip I put in is kind of important though the one with my tweet because Tucker Tucker makes this point. Yeah let's go back to go go to my tweet instead of the one where he talks yeah because that one has to pre preempt the Tucker one because he talks about Trump purposely purposely not putting his hand on the Bible which is an interesting because what Tucker's implying is Tucker is very heavily implying that Trump is the man of the man of lawlessness in Second Thessalonians.

SPEAKER_07 38:56

That's what he's saying I don't know if he is I'm just that's what Tucker's saying and is it possible that the president sees this not just in geostrategic terms and military terms and economic terms got open and straight okay is it possible the president sees this in bigger terms sees this as the fulfillment of something or the elevation to some higher office beyond president of the United States. That's entirely possible and that's not an attack but it's also not a guess because at every turn since the inauguration last January there have been religious leaders on the scene telling us telling us out loud most of us ignored it because we're just so secular just sort of ignore it. We've ignored that this could actually be real there's something going on here. And we shouldn't ignore that we should always remember that just because we're a secular nation have been overwhelmingly secular maybe not coincidentally since we dropped those atom bombs 80 years ago doesn't mean that we live in a world where everyone else is secular and it definitely doesn't mean that the spiritual realm has been eliminated that it's not real that the only things that matter are the things that we can see and hear and feel and taste and measure talk about fake talk about a silly religion that's the silly religion I guess I guess in the life of every person it is the same clip but yeah it's the same clip.

Antichrist Talk And End Times Caution

SPEAKER_02 40:34

So either way he he he started off the show talking about how Trump didn't put his hand on the Bible and very intentionally looked like he didn't put his hand on the Bible because not because he doesn't believe the Bible but because he very much does and he doesn't want to be held to account for putting his hand on the Bible because he doesn't plan on following anything in it. Yeah but I don't think he believes the Bible yeah I I don't either but either way since the assassination attempt especially I mean Trump's entire run he's been surrounded by zealot like zealous insane Protestants right but then after the assassination attempt how many people like Trump has been chosen by God to lead us into this thing so the question like this right here Donald Trump will lead the stone cut the stone cut from the mountain the mountain represents the Roman Catholic Church the stone is the remnant this is this is the psych psychopathy this is this is vegano right vegano getting into talking about Trump is the catacomb like are you kidding me Trump is the catacomb the church fathers would laugh that would the absurdity of some of these trades and said man like they're just laughably retarded I'm sorry laughably retarded like if you're if that's your position I don't know man Trump Trump is oh my gosh man like the but the question that Tucker poses does Trump see himself as some kind of biblical like figure? I do think yes I mean I just because he's such a you know a a narc a narcissist I I think he does see himself in that sort of fashion dude he's acting like an emperor right like he's not acting like he's acting like Nero he's acting like this country is his to do whatever he wants with he can just go in and sweep out any leaders anywhere in the world whereas we used to like kind of hide our stuff with CIA ops and things like that. Trump's just like nope I'm doing it it's kind of crazy what he does man. And um so I mean it poses the question could Trump be the antichrist um I saw an interesting um post from uh uh American reform the other day let me pull it up hang on so uh okay so he said by all available evidence Trump is not the Antichrist but notice the similarities he bears with the coming of the man of sin the lawless one who does not fear God let alone his laws uh from this we perceive a third character of antichrist namely that he will not simply be the antagonist but the substitute or supp or supplanter of the true messiah and this is rendered still more probable by the fact that the messiah looked for by the Jews has always been a temporal deliverer the restorer of the temporal power or in other words a political and military prince but those who have lost faith in the incarnation such as humanitarians, rationalists and pantheists may well be deceived by any person of great political power and success who should restore the Jews to their own land and people Jerusalem once more, the people of Jerusalem once more with the sons of the patriarchs, and there is nothing in the political aspect of the world which renders such a combination impossible. That was Cardinal Manning said that. And then he posted a couple of things underneath it. Now, look, the thing is, like American Reform said to me, he's like, Oh, well, you know, I do think we're in the end times, but um, I still think a lot of things need to happen, like the the two, the uh the two witnesses and things like that. But that stuff comes after the antichrist. And I don't, I don't want to all, I also don't want to have such an American-centric view of things where where it's like, yeah, okay, Trump might be deceiving Catholics in America, but what about the rest of the Catholics in the world? He's not he's not deceiving like every he's hated everywhere.

SPEAKER_05 44:51

He's not even deceiving much of the Catholics in America. Yeah, it's you know what I mean. Like, I mean, how can he be the antichrist when the major when 50% of America despise him and 75% of the rest of the world like the antichrist is supposed to be beloved by you know it's supposed to fool nearly everyone, including the you know the the church? So I don't see how Trump fulfills that part of it.

SPEAKER_02 45:16

Yeah, I don't either, but he could be some type of forerunner figure. He could be like I agree.

SPEAKER_05 45:24

Is he a type of antichrist? Yeah, I'm okay with that.

Triumph Through Martyrdom Not Power

SPEAKER_02 45:27

Yeah, he's probably a type. Look, it's hard to say. You can't, you can't. We don't, we're not gonna know, you know. Uh the thing that freaks me out is the stuff he did under COVID and the way he's acting now. Um but I don't I don't know. I mean, who how how can you know? I just I just I just see him as a very significant figure, whatever that means. Like whether he is the actual man of lawlessness. I mean he's certainly acting like him, but um, yeah, I don't know. The other the other thing that kind of connects with this is um like I uh what what was what was my tweet that I that I uh put out that you you had said to me um I can I was I was talking about the tri like the like oh I said I I said something like like the days of triumphalist Christianity are over. Um like the the days of conquering the pagan nations and you know that like those days are just not that's not the time we live in. And you push back on me and say, what about the triumph of our ladies' immaculate heart?

SPEAKER_05 46:39

I would say it's not the time we've been living in, but there's no why why couldn't we enter a you know a new phase of history where it is we always could, right?

SPEAKER_02 46:51

Like that possibility is always there. Um but the way to that is not going to be comfortable anyway. No, like the road to that will not be comfortable in any way whatsoever. And I and I think that this like this ridiculous idea of all these new converts coming in, Catholics are so taking over, like I think that's a silly mindset. The truth is, like, especially look, we're dealing with this the the question of Islam, things like that. We opened our borders and we let Muslims flood in. If they're and they clearly are trying to stoke tensions between Muslims and Christians. Now, I'm I'm not gonna buy into the E. Michael Jones thesis that we need to buddy up with Muslims. Yeah, it's I'm not I'm not gonna buy into that into that thesis.

SPEAKER_05 47:45

For anyone just joining us or recent joined us recently, something happened with the stream to YouTube, something that we couldn't fix. It's between something in the software. So we're streaming on Twitter, Rumble, and locals.

SPEAKER_02 47:59

So um, if if because you had even said this to me, you were like, Oh, we'll we'll defeat this, we'll defeat the Saracens or something like that, which I don't disagree with, but the I think I said um the cross will conquer both yes, the crescent and the star of uh Rafan, which is yeah, which I agree with, David.

SPEAKER_05 48:24

Yeah, I agree with, but but in and I mean it in the way what you're trying to say, like the cross, like the way of the cross will conquer.

SPEAKER_02 48:34

The thing is, like the the way through all of this is going to be Calvary, man. Like all of this, everything we're seeing happening right now. The way through this is the passion, like there the the the way through the way to our victory is not you can't think like it like the Jews do, where it's uh like the the the conquering church, like the way through this is martyrdom.

SPEAKER_05 48:58

I I don't I guess I don't know many people that really when those who are triumphalistic, I don't see them triumphalistic in the way you're seeing them. Like, like I I think many people who want the church to be triumphant recognize that like like like the martyrs of the first few centuries of the church, like they conquered the Roman Empire. That you you can't get more triumphalistic through that martyr, but that's what through martyrdom, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:25

Through martyrdom, like getting thrown in the Colosseum. So that's all I was saying. So people think I'm blackpilling, and I don't think I'm blackpilling at all. This is this this is this is what it means. Like our king is a suffering king, and that's that's the way through this, and it's I don't see any other way around it. I don't I don't see us taking political power. I don't see I see persecution coming.

SPEAKER_05 49:49

Remember, the martyrs did eventually take political power through their martyrdom, through their martyrdom.

SPEAKER_02 49:54

So it's uh but where we are in the world today, I see a passion before especially because of the situation in the church, like the the how degraded the church is in every aspect in her liturgy, in her hierarchy, and all those things, like it is going to take a tremendous amount of suffering of the saints to restore the church, and that there's just no way around that. That's not a black pill, that's a that's a recognition of what we signed up for at baptism.

SPEAKER_05 50:29

Well, in you know, the in response to your your post where I asked about you know Our Lady of Adama, what she says about the triumph of the Immaculate Heart, like even Our Lady says, you know, that if the popes don't consecrate Russia, which they haven't, let's just be honest, and they're unlikely to do so before time runs out in three years. Like, yeah, our lady says, you know, whole nations will be destroyed, and she's not talking about like states, you know, and she's not talking about like like a political government. She when she says whole nations will be destroyed, she means whole peoples will be wiped off the face of the earth, but in the city in ruins the triumph of the immaculate heart, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 51:10

So that's all I would say. So, yes, the triumph of the immaculate heart, but there is a city in ruins, the Pope walking over dead bodies.

SPEAKER_05 51:18

And let's be honest, like the nations that look like the peoples that are going to be destroyed, it looks very much like many many of those are going to be European peoples wiped off the map by the Mohammedans.

SPEAKER_02 51:29

You go, you go to Our Lady of Akita, same thing, fire will fall from the sky, a deluge not seen since the days of the of Noah. Like, this is what is ahead of us. So, whether it's the end or just the beginning of something new, that is what lies ahead of us, and people have to recognize that. And that's not a defeatist black pill. That is, hey, like that doesn't mean you don't still do Catholic action, that doesn't mean you don't still try to make inroads, but it's just about people need to recognize the times we're in, and the times we're in is increasingly hostile towards the faith. As much as like we have a voice now and it feels like we're like we're you know we're out there talking, that's that's gonna turn quickly. And we thought it was going to turn through um, which it still very much is, like with the whole LGBT thing. Like they've managed to make love hate and hate love, right? Like they've managed to invert what is good and what is evil in in our general society. So, yes, we might have a victory here and a victory there with certain things, and maybe maybe in media here and media there, but the reality is that's the world hates us, and they and Christ warns us of this, and he says, the world hated me first. Don't be surprised when they hate you. So it's what it's what I see on the horizon, and I don't think that's blackpilling. I think that's like we we should honestly like the proper Christian response is longing for martyrdom. I mean, when you have families, that's not easy.

SPEAKER_05 53:11

I wouldn't say I don't know. Uh I don't know if we should long for martyrdom, right? Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 53:19

You read you read Ignatius as he's on his way to the pit, man.

SPEAKER_05 53:23

He's like on his way there, it's already happening. But I think if you had asked him prior to that, like, would you rather be martyred or would you rather like convert the emperor like right now?

SPEAKER_04 53:38

One of those is better.

SPEAKER_02 53:40

Yeah, for sure. Listen, I don't want I don't want to face martyrdom either. I'm just it's just the the way the way things are unfolding. I just I you know I don't think it's a black pill either. And I and I think that there's you know the opportunity to possibly see how the story plays out is also an amazing thing. Like, I don't see that as a black pill, I don't know. But the the the reality is uh the what Wagner was getting into was he was reading some of the old testament prophecies about how all the nations will like convert, and that period happened already, and the gospel was spread to the whole earth.

SPEAKER_05 54:24

It has you did not have large-scale conversions in China, you did not have it in Japan, you did not have it in Korea, did not have it in South Asia, you didn't have it in Australia, Australia.

Fatima Warnings And Penance

SPEAKER_02 54:37

The gospel was still preached there, and I don't think it's every nation becomes Catholic. Like, I don't think that's what that means. That's just not how God ever worked in salvation history, it was always preserving a remnant, or it was like that's just so I don't I don't I I think if you're reading those old testament prophecies, yeah, it could you know you're you're also forgetting that the church triumphant is part of that, like the church triumphant is always growing and it's always so I I it just seems to me that the days of I mean we literally still have uncontacted tribes in the world, yeah. All right, so I'm not look, I'm just saying not every single it's not every single nation will will convert like that. I don't I don't I just don't think that's you know when you see it in hindsight, it'll seem that way. Just like when we look back on church history and we see like this glorious period of, you know, as the church is spreading in in what they call the dark ages is actually the most beautiful age of the church, the time of the church fathers, it's the time of the spread of Christianity, and it goes it goes right up that first millennium of Christianity is kind of what you're seeing that where that's happening. And who's to say that like the world could have been just the known world at the time? Could have you know, like no, I don't know. It's it's it's a there's there's a lot to get there's a lot to think about in that, but either way, what it seems like at this point is that the church herself is telling us like the Great Commission is over, the Great Commission is never over, but the church seems to be acting that way, right? By inviting other religions to the Vatican, and instead of calling them to convert, they're but just because the church acts that way doesn't mean we should say oh end of the world, then I guess any of I don't think any of us should ever say that, right? But you can still see what's happening, like you can still see what's happening, but that doesn't mean it has to happen. I I don't I don't mean we still have agency, we still have free will. I of course nobody say, and I'm not saying resign yourself to to the end of the world either, but that's kind of the point. You but you but recognizing the signs of the times is not a black pill either.

SPEAKER_05 56:58

So you have to recognize that they are only signs of the current times and that we can still change things and we can make things better, and so we're never gonna have a utopia on earth, but no, but the especially through penance, right?

SPEAKER_02 57:11

Because that's everything our lady tells us is penance, penance, penance. I'm I'm having a hard time holding back the wrath of my son right now. Like that's all like and and what we talked about with Sam Shamoon was the debt ceiling of sin that God can only tolerate so much before he just loses it, and that's what happened with Israel. When Jesus in Matthew 23, Jesus goes to the Pharisees and he's like, You have reached the debt ceiling of sin, God is fed up, you will have one generation to repent. And if you do not repent, all of this is going to be destroyed. And I think that was our lady coming to us in Fatima, and he gave us more than a generation. I mean, literally, our lady was saying to us at Fatima the same thing Jesus was saying to the Pharisees before the temple was destroyed. And I can't not, you know, I'm not gonna just write that off. That doesn't mean there won't be a resurrection of the church after and another age of the church after, but what we're heading into right now is going to be rough, is all I'm saying. And if we do hope to have some kind of a return to Christendom or a return to Christian civilization, it's the way through that is going to be through the cross. Like it's going to be rough. It's the only way to see it. Again, it's it's not gonna be some triumphalistic thing where the church is doing like once again. I mean, it's not behaving like it did in the middle ages, is all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 58:41

I think maybe you have a misconception like the middle, like well, the early, you know, the early, early, earlier centuries. They were they were fighting crusades within Europe, uh, from you know, against against pagan.

SPEAKER_02 58:57

Fighting crusades, though. Nobody's calling a crusade now. Nobody's calling a crusade now. And when we when the Muslims attack, it is not gonna be a crusade against it, it's gonna be we need to sit in dialogue. It's not gonna be called from the church, though.

SPEAKER_05 59:12

Yeah, maybe, maybe not.

SPEAKER_02 59:14

Yeah, I can't. I mean, nobody knows the future, but I'm just right.

SPEAKER_05 59:19

So stop stop acting like you do, and even though you're not, I know you're not, I know you're not. I know I'm being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. No, no, no, no. I know you're not, but the way you come off sometimes on Twitter and on here to people who don't know you as well, is that you you it does come off as black pilling, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:38

It does come off as nihilistic, it's reality, like and it should be and it should be all of us.

SPEAKER_05 59:44

It's potentially reality.

SPEAKER_02 59:46

No, it's reality in that the way of a Christian's life is one marked by suffering. And if you and if you and if we want any hope of rebuilding something, we better like that's how that's how it works. Like, our our our king is a suffering king, and if you want the things that people are saying they want, we have to embrace that, and we have to be willing to suffer in order to get that.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:11

Yes, okay, I I understand when though when we now look on periods like the Middle Ages, like the Crusades, for instance, and we see them as this glorious triumphalistic age of Christianity, we have to understand that at that time it did not feel that way to those men. Those men were were the scourge of of Islam was raging all across all over Europe. You know, it was it was literally had Europe in a stranglehold. Like, if you if you read the the the battles of the crusades, the of the first crusade, every battle they won, it was due literally due to actual miracles when they took Antioch and when they took Jerusalem. Like, there is no way those men should have won. They thought they were walking into you know certain death each and every single time. And yeah, they look it it ended up glorious, but they suffered, they suffered far more than you and I suffer, you know. Like, like sure, I I agree, it's not gonna feel trial triumphalistic to us, but if we win 500 years from now, if the world's still around, it might go it might seem that way to that.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:24

But what we're embarking on right now is all I'm trying to get at. Like, there can be this glorious resurrection, there can be this glorious return, but the way the way there is going to not be by owning the Protestants on Twitter. Like, that's not that's just you know, that's not gonna be the way we do it. That's all I'm saying. It's not gonna be by electing somebody to office. Damn, can Joe Hirschmeyer own them though? That was a oh man. If you guys have even 25 minutes to watch, just go watch the cross exam between Joe Heshmeier and Doug Wilson. Joe, what's crazy is Joe is so comfortable because he knows he has the winning argument. Like he's just like sitting there and not even trying, and Doug Wilson is so nervous, he's stuttering.

Fasting To Prepare For Hard Times

SPEAKER_05 1:02:12

He's like, um, um, uh, well, um, I'm like, oh man, he got destroyed.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:18

Yeah, I think um, I just think that we should be preparing people for um for what it means to be like what do you what like the whole purpose of fasting and the whole purpose is of all of the sacrifices you make as a as a cat. That's why, like the new commerce. My first advice is get into a life of fasting because what you're doing is preparing yourself. Because it's we very easily could be in a situation where we only have God to depend on, and that would be a great mercy from him, and it would lead to mass death at the same time, right? You have something where like we're so dependent on our devices, we're so dependent on our modern everything. If something happened where we were knocked back to the stone age, you'd literally the only thing you'd have to depend on is God, you'd have none of your modern comforts, and as horrible of a situation as that would be, it might just be the thing that saves our souls. You know, so it's that's that's just just the the view, I think the a proper Christian view of it, because especially with all the way the world events are working right now, it's just it see but between the AI thing, the alien thing, the prop the the the visions of our lady that can't all the stuff like it'd be you'd be naive to not consider these things, is all I'm saying. Like you'd be naive to not consider these things, and I'm not saying go the route of the you know the the uh people who chase apparitions and they're always oh the end of the world's coming, and we need our three days of darkness candles and things like that. It's just just prepare yourself for something like prepare yourself the way the church has always taught us to prepare ourselves through fasting and through like denying ourselves pleasures because man, I think about like if like the even if the economy crashed, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:04:19

It's just did you see the revised numbers for the end of last year?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:24

It it just an economy crash is not something that is like out of like it could very easily come. We could very easily end up back in a Great Depression. And think about how many people took their lives during the Great Depression, right? Because I know so many people who live lives of such comfort and luxury, and God isn't even on their minds. And if they lost all their material goods, I I don't see how they would, I don't know what they would do. People I love, people in my life that I just think if their material possessions were just suddenly gone and they didn't have the millions in the bank that they're used to, like that is going to lead to catastrophe for those people, and we can't have that perspective as Christians, like we just really can't. So um I got okay, so I obviously I would have jumped over to locals at this point, but we're already on locals, but I got do we want to make it locals only?

SPEAKER_05 1:05:23

Um, yeah, we could well because we're on Twitter and Rumble right now, and in the local I haven't clicked up members only part of local, so yeah, let's do locals only.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:34

You guys you bums gotta pay for the for the exclusive content. If you're watching on uh on X or Rumble, you gotta come over to locals. Um but I got a couple of Fuentes clips I wanna play. Yeah, I want to play the Fuentes clips.

SPEAKER_14 1:05:51

And they're vulgar, so I'd rather those just be behind the paywall.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:56

Okay, I'm turning it off to Fix.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:00

We're getting rid of all you cheapos.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:02

Turning it off to my Twitter.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:04

Go to locals.com slash avoiding Babylon.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:07

Turning it off to your Twitter. And turning it off to Rumble. And clicking members only on locals.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:21

Yeah, you know what we could do? Speaking of the trad thing while we were talking about Trads, you want to post the tweet I almost tweeted today? Yeah.

unknown 1:06:32

All right.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:32

So I almost tweeted this today, and I was like, I'm not going to tweet it.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:36

Let me get it up here.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:37

I didn't want all right. So the whole thing with Stein was going on. And I'm like, I don't want to be at war with everybody. So I'm not going to tweet this. But this is what I was going to tweet. Like John Henry Weston over at Life Site posting a picture of Catholic converts rise 38% in the USA this year as part of a worldwide surge. Catholics are the future. And I'm like, like, you Traz have to make up your minds. You can't slam Leo as an idol worshiping anti-pope one day, then use his use him in an image to brag about the surge in converts the next. Are you at war with an anti-pope or are you the subject of the Roman pontiff? Like, that's kind of the stuff I'm talking about. Where life site wants to be like part of the Catholic conversions that are coming in, but you're actively working to undermine like it's not, it's not okay. Oh it's not okay. I understand people's hearts are broken by what's happening in the hierarchy. Mine no longer is because I just I see this as like I just know God knows what's happening, and I just trust God's plan. Like there's a there's an element of mystery to all to our faith that you know we as Catholics like having answers for everything, but there's an element of mystery to what we believe that you just kind of have to sit back and go, God, I don't know what you're doing right now, but I trust that you have everything under control. Because we know the end times if they are going, if we are living in those times, like God says we're gonna face a crisis that's gonna shake the faith of many. And I see people's faith being shaken by what's happening right now.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:18

So everyone says you should post it.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:24

All right, I'll think what's the worst that's what's the worst that is gonna happen. I just don't want to be at war with everybody. I don't know. I like the infight.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:32

We are the heel. Remember this.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:36

We are never we're always gonna have to go it alone, and no one's we are we are actually always going to go it alone because like a lot of the normies don't like us, and the trads don't like us. It's just it is what it is. I I'm at a point now where I just don't care. I don't get it. I don't care what anybody thinks. It's like our friends know who we are first.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:01

Oh, we're never gonna be invited to a widely successful thing such as Pelican ever again.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:05

Oh no, I don't I don't care to be invited to anything so well for Nick Navasos and the collegium. Oh no, we're not alone, we have you guys, obviously. Um, but I just mean avoiding friends. I mean, there was a time where I wanted to network with a lot of these people, but the the road they're taking. I just I'm like, I don't know what you guys are doing. I don't know, man. I don't I don't get it. There was a time where I probably agreed a lot more with them than I do now. I think a lot of that is just seeing like the misery in always focusing on the negative, and I don't want to be miserable. Like, I don't. I want to I want to look at I want to look to the future with hope. And and honestly, as as much as you guys think I blackpill, like the things I'm talking about bring me hope. Like I see, I think Christ's victorious triumph at the end is hopeful. I mean, I just think that there's a rough period we're going into before it because that's the great tribulation. But the the the payoff is going to be the greatest thing in the history of the world. So I don't see it as a as a doom as a doom pill at all. Um who's I'm going down a path who that you can't I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:29

I was I was trying to see if there's any other tweets involved with that one. I I don't know. Um, we generally don't bring Joe McLean on just because he's kind of got an opposite schedule to us.

unknown 1:10:38

Right?

SPEAKER_05 1:10:39

He does the morning.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:40

No, no, not anymore. Now he's in the afternoons. We can get Joe on.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:43

Okay.

Fuentes Clip And Rome Versus Jerusalem

SPEAKER_02 1:10:43

Um okay, so let's do the Fuentes clip I put in there. He had a good take. He had a couple of good takes.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:59

Is there just the one?

SPEAKER_02 1:11:00

I yeah, I only put one in so far. I have others I want to get to, though.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:05

Four, four and a half minute one, that one.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:07

Yeah, we don't have to play the whole thing. We can just play some of it.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:14

Okay, there is gonna probably be swearing.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:17

Yeah, there's gonna be swearing. If they're controlled, if they I'm sending another one that you'll play next, go ahead.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:26

If they control our media, if they control our security apparatus, if they control our banking system, if they are the the intermediaries, the middlemen with everything, global trade, they have a position in the court of every government in the world. What are they gonna do to us? Are you starting to understand the problem? What plan B do they have in store for Americans? They had a plan B for Hezbollah. They put plastic explosives in all their pagers. Hezbollah was running around for 10 fucking years with radios and pagers talking to each other, communicating on their hip every day, and there were plastic explosives planted by Israel the entire time. How the fuck do you think they did that? They've got shell corporations everywhere. Where does Hezbollah even get their pagers? Some electronics wholesaler, some manufacturer. Israel's got shell companies inside shell companies, factories, fake LLCs. It's all obfuscated. Shipping companies, they probably control the factory where it's made, they control the facility where it's distributed, they control the ships upon which they were delivered. Convoluted. That's a Mossad, and that is the Mossad's Jewish allies in all the in Eastern Europe, in Asia. Who even knows the extent of this? And this is what they had in store for Hezbollah. You don't think they got a plan B for America? You don't think they've thought about that? They prepared that was 10 years in the making. 10 years. Hezbollah's walking around with plastic explosives in their pagers. They had people in Iran following around the Ayatollah for 10 years. You don't think they got somebody on Trump? He's on TV. His name's Howard Lutnick.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:23

All right, we can pull this one. Now play the other one I sent because uh the the reason I wanted to play these is is because of this, but then I have some good news at the end.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:34

Normal good news or Anthony good news?

SPEAKER_02 1:13:36

No, no, no, you're gonna say like like because things seem so bleak right now, but just Anthony Snipes right. This is a grouper cult. No, but if he says something interesting, now these are two Jews discussing Nick, and this I thought was pretty Nick seems to be the only other person talking about the stuff that we're talking about, and this is this is what I mean. Go ahead and play it.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:09

As the epitome of the goyam that are obstructing God's will. They think that the Jews were chosen to bring God back into the world. He has some things that he so profoundly doesn't understand, but then there are some things that he like really understands.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:23

He i I I I I'm telling you, I would not be surprised if one day this guy is learning Torah in Panabrak. Okay, Maka, there is a guy, though, by the way, who kind of understands things on a deeper way. Uh, he is a vile anti-Semite, he is a guy who hates uh women, uh, hates blacks, uh, and uh has has real issues, and yet I still see in him a spark of of kind of genius. And his name is Nick Fuentes. And this guy, a lot of times he he he just has a he he has a much like Tucker is a dodo bird. Okay, Candace is a nutball, but Fuentes is a sicko, and yet he has an ability to understand things on a deep on a deep level. I want you to see the following click. Uh, slower, BB recently said he's currently reading The Jews versus Rome by Barry Strauss, and then we have to we have to win the next one, the war with Rome. Uh, I've seen this this guy's writing to Nick Fuentes. He says, I've seen many references to this as some kind of eternal conflict that goes far beyond the Jewish revolts against the Roman Empire. I've seen you mention it too, Rome versus Jerusalem. What does this mean? Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:18

Oh, you really don't get it, do you? I've been saying it for years, nobody listens. And then Yahu says it, nobody listens. It's about Jacob and Esau, okay? It's about it's about the Jews and the nations. For them, it's a cosmic battle. So there's something eternal about it, but it really, it really does go back to the expulsion from Israel. It is about the temple, it is about the rebellions. For them, they see Rome as the epitome of the goyam that are obstructing God's will. They think that the Jews were chosen to bring God back into the world to unlock the uh essence of God that is trapped inside the shards of, you know, this is this is all like Kabbalistic mysticism. And they think that like we are standing in the way of that by impeding the Jews going to all the nations and rebuilding the temple and getting back to Israel. They think that we're preventing the universe from being repaired by the Jews. And this is embodied in the Roman Church, the Roman Empire, the modern Roman Empire, which is the United States.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:14

He he somehow has an understanding, this guy, Fuentes, has an understanding of the rebuilding of when when you hear a lot of people talking about the Jews, like they're talking about it just from like it's like low-tier anti-Semitism. Like it's like that low-tier, like, oh, the Jews control the media, the dream. Like, where I think Nick really does have a deep understanding of this, right? And um the thing is, 750 years before Christ, Isaiah prophesies, the sons of those who oppressed you shall come bending low to you, and all who despised you shall bow down at your feet. They shall call you the city of the Lord, the Zion on the Holy One Zion of the Holy One of Israel. That's Isaiah 60. The Jews read that, and they think all the nations are going to come and bow to them. John the Apostle takes that and says, Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say they are Jews and are not, but lie. Behold, I will make them come bow before your feet and learn that I have loved you. That prophecy in Isaiah is about us. And all the things that we're seeing today, it seems like the Jews have complete control over everything. And oh my goodness, they have pagers and and Hezbollah, and you don't think they have a plan B for us? But in the end, God will make the synagogue of Satan bow before the church, they will bow before us and and cry out. I uh I will make them come and bow down at your feet and learn that I have loved you. Like they're going to the the prophecy in Isaiah, they're gonna say, They shall call you the city of the Lord, the Zion, and the Holy One of Is and of the Holy One of Israel. Like that's an amazing prophecy. That they think that that's for them, and all the nations are gonna come and bow to them, but that's really about us. And John the Apostle wants to make sure you understand that. That's why, like, the uh the this the episode with Sam Shamoon, that clip with the seed of the serpent, the seed of uh the woman, it's a 23-minute clip. It is just so freaking good, man. He takes us through all this stuff. So if you guys haven't checked that one out yet, it's worth memorizing, it's worth it's worth memorizing the scripture verses so that you know where to jump to when you want to point these things out.

SPEAKER_13 1:18:43

Um let me see. I have a bunch of other stuff we could go over too.

Leo Halts A Canonization Push

SPEAKER_02 1:18:53

Um oh, uh with Leo, the the the thing you sent me today. What did I send you? Uh about the canonizations. Oh, yeah. So uh Leo put a screeching halt on a canonization that Francis was trying to put through. The cause for the beatification canonization of the Argentine bishop has been blocked by the Vatican. The process has been actively advanced by the previous Pope, now deceased, who is also an Argentine. The prefect for the Dicastery of the Cause of Saints, after examining all documentation, has confirmed the decision to revoke the Nile Abstadt for the continuation of the cause due to a possible canonical procedure not carried out by Father Jorge Novak regarding the conduct of a priest of the diocese. So, in fact, the bishop who died in a car accident was a liberal sympathetic to the far left ideology, cruel towards Orthodox Catholics, and so hostile to an Orthodox, to any Orthodox cause during his lifetime, but he the he he moved a offensive pedo priest. So basically, the the the dicaster is basically saying, like any priest who has anything like that in their past, they're not you know, we're gonna reject the canonization.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:15

Do you know what's funny?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:16

That'll that'll reject Francis.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:18

That will all that if they if they hold to it one day that will automatically reject any cause of canonization for Francis because he didn't look into it.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:29

Yeah, sorry guys. Um, yeah, and also he put forward the cause for Fulton Sheen. Leo did Leo did. So it's like we could sit there and we could act like Leo is Francis, or we could say, Look, I don't know what's happening right now. I don't know, you know, I see some terrible elevations and stuff, but you know, maybe we're getting back to some semblance of normalcy.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:54

And I mean, normalcy is a bad pope. The majority of the popes have been mediocre at best. You know what I mean? Like, we're not saying Leo is some crypto trad or anything like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:10

No, I think Leo, I think Leo's a timid, umid guy, and I don't think he's very like he's not he's not a good figure for a man. Like he's not, you know, like I like I said, like when when you even talking about war and stuff, he's got his head down, like he's very timid, and and I think that the Pope right now, like all the Popes since since the council are just they're afraid to proclaim the truth of the Catholic faith boldly. They all are. There's like there's some something in them that they're all just like, oh, you know, they're ashamed of the past of the church. Yeah, and that's a that's a horrible thing, but at the same time, it doesn't mean he's gonna actively work to move it in the progressive direction that Francis did. So I'm not I don't know, I'm not gonna hate on the Pope, man.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:04

It's not gonna happen. I mean, he's he's clearly not Francis 2.0 at all, right? I mean, uh, he's his own man, he's not gonna be a Pius the 13th, or even probably a Leo the 14th, in that sense, you know what I mean, but he's not Francis 2.0 either.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:25

Um, when is that uh AI encyclical coming out?

SPEAKER_05 1:22:29

It's supposed to be soon.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:35

Um, I said I said this the freaking annoying trads are gonna turn me into a Pope splainer.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:44

Uh um uh what's his what is he on Twitter?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:47

Um oh uh I know who you're talking about. He said it. He said he goes eventually we all become Pope.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:53

On a long enough timeline, everyone becomes Pope.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:56

On a long enough timeline, we all become Pope spleeners. Uh yeah, he's he's Francis 0.5. He's Francis in slow motion, which is just JP2.

SPEAKER_11 1:23:09

Oh man.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:14

Yeah, I don't Dav says Anthony's tired of me and wants the AI encyclical.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:20

I just I just don't think it's a very Catholic attitude to to be hostile to to the Pope, man. I just don't. I don't think it's healthy for your spiritual life.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:30

It sucked being so hostile to Francis, yeah. And I'm not saying anyone was wrong to be, but it like, do I think my criticism criticisms of her him were just? Yes. Did it suck? Yes, it was it was hell living.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:46

It was hard, man. It was terrible, it's an awful pope. But we've had awful popes in the past, is what it is. Like whatever, whatever we're dealing with, we're dealing with. Um, let's see what else we got.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:05

I mean, I don't know if you ended up getting any clips from uh from Heshmeier or not.

SPEAKER_13 1:24:12

I did actually. I'll send one. I I I think I got a good one.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:16

I just I th I thought it was pretty funny that you know a couple weeks ago you had Doug Wilson, who is Pete Hagsith's pastor, come out and say the stuff about wanting to ban I have that clip, by the way. Public Eucharistic processions, and then you had the story about you know the vet the the meeting at the Pentagon, and then you have Joe Heshmeyer just absolutely destroying the city.

Doug Wilson Attacks Catholic Processions

SPEAKER_02 1:24:40

So play the play the Doug Wilson clip first. It's a Christopher Hale tweet, ironically. But it's a clip of just Doug Wilson trashing what yeah, this is what this is what he said.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:51

Hold on, let me let me get it. Here we go. Do we want the uh you want the actual clip or the tweet? No, just play the clip.

SPEAKER_10 1:25:15

Let me give you a couple of very practical examples. Okay, okay. Um could m could Muslims uh be here? Live, yes, they could be. Uh could they hold political office? No. Uh could could Muslims gather together uh with their Muslim family and friends to pray to Allah? Yes. Right? Could you have a mosque? Yes. Could they have a minaret, a prayer tower that issues a public call to prayer? No, because the public spaces belong to Christ, right? We're a Christian nation. So church bells are okay. Church bells are okay, but a Muslim call to prayer in the public space would not be okay. Um, Catholic church bells would be okay, right? Catholic church bells would be okay, but a parade in a parade in honor of the Virgin Mary carrying an image of the Virgin Mary down Main Street, no, right? Um, so what about the Eucharist? What about the Eucharist? What about a Eucharistic procession? That's a that's a new one. I would think I would say uh probably not. It would depend on what was being done around it, how it was being conducted. But basically, public uh displays of idolatry, what the Protestant foundation of the irony, the idolatry, would not be allowed. So you wouldn't have a Hindu procession of a with a Hindu god, you wouldn't have a procession of the Virgin Mary.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:47

Holy cow, the iron, you can't have public displays of idolatry. We're literally marching Jesus Christ Himself in a Eucharistic procession.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:56

I got a question for everyone. And Ant, you're not gonna like this. How would everyone feel if there was a Catholic media company that used software developed by that man's company and paid that man thousands and thousands of dollars per month, and that your subscription money, which they claim is going, you know, to a Catholic only thing instead of going to like YouTube, is actually going to pay that man a lot of money. How would you all feel about that? Hypothetically, allegedly, of course.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:32

Waiting for an answer.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:34

I'm waiting for answers. No, locals money goes to Dave Rubin. We're we're quite open and honest about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:46

Yeah, I was gonna say, we're not who are we gonna talk? We're giving giving our money to a frickin' a a baby dealer. No, we were calling it uh Uh, not Seagull Minus.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:01

What were we calling it? Flamingo Minus.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:04

Flamingo Minus. All right, I put the Doug Wilson clip in.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:07

No, that's not what Locals is, guys. Oh, okay. You guys did not get the hypothetical very well. Locals is owned by Dave Rubin. Okay. So yeah, some of your money that you pay us goes to Dave Rubin.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:18

This isn't spilling the tea. This is throwing the kettle at the wall.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:23

No, not Halo either. Anyways, okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:30

All right, so I put the other clip in. Probably got to download it, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:28:33

Uh, let me take a look here.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:36

So that same guy who is saying you can't have processions with our lady, and you can't have again. He probably he probably saw all the holy week processions before he went on that show. Who and we've had him on our show, by the way.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:52

John uh what something something.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:58

Okay, you ready for this? Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:03

Whether that's someone who isn't able to make a profession of faith because they die at two, one someone who's not able to get baptized because they're crucified to a cross.

SPEAKER_10 1:29:11

One of the issues that you find out in pastoral ministry almost right away is you can have the doctrinal uh system laid out nice and tidy. Yeah. And pastoral ministry is not tidy. So you lead someone to Christ, he he calls on the Lord, he is converted, and let's go down to the river and baptize you, and he gets hit by a bus on the way down.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:32

Yeah, the early Christians ignore like they treat this explicitly in baptism of desire. Okay, correct.

SPEAKER_10 1:29:37

Yeah, and so I if you make those distinctions, I'm good.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:40

Okay, so if you would baptism is normatively salvific.

SPEAKER_10 1:29:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_09 1:29:43

Baptism, uh, so when a baptist does not get baptized because they want to wait until they're a little older and can make more of a profession, and then they die. He's sin, he's sinning, and it's a grievous sin. Is he endangers his own salvation? Well, you can't lose your salvation. I'm saying endangering his salvation by not getting saved in the first place. Salvation is not like a set of car keys that you can lose.

SPEAKER_10 1:30:04

Is he forfeiting his salvation by not getting baptized? Um you have reasonable ground. People who despise baptism, there are reasonable grounds for questioning the sincerity of their faith. Okay. Okay. Um, so but I don't want to say that you can be a Christian, not a Christian, be a Christian, not a Christian.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:22

I haven't gotten from you a clear answer on how I can use Siloscapur to figure out who's right on baptism. Because the Anglicans, the ministerial reforms, the Anabaptists are going to disagree, and the Catholics are going to disagree.

SPEAKER_10 1:30:32

Yeah. Um Catholics disagree with one another, just like Protestants disagree with one another.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:37

On this issue, not at all. No, uh on the the I'm saying specifically on the issue that I'm asking about. How do I know from scripture alone which interpretation is the right one?

SPEAKER_10 1:30:48

You read the Bible and you read it again, you study it, you pray, you So did you or Gavin fail to do that? Somebody did.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:55

Do you want to convince your guess as to who? I mean, is it's like is your position seriously that Baptists have just never tried solo scriptura?

SPEAKER_10 1:31:03

Um, so I grew up in the Baptist tradition.

SPEAKER_09 1:31:06

Your father's right.

SPEAKER_10 1:31:06

My father, um, so I I know that world and love and appreciate that world. Um, Paul says in Romans 2, he is so funny, like he's circumcision, those he's like Joe is so comfortable.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:21

Joe is just like, like, come on, like, there's no consistency in any of this. There's none, no consistency, and Doug is so nervous, he's sweating, he has no idea how to handle it. It was a really good cross-exam. It really was, it was great. It's just the there's never a debate where a Protestant goes up against a Catholic where they don't come out looking foolish.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:46

Yeah, yeah, I think, and that's especially true in debates where the Protestant is forced to take like the positive, you know, position on one of on one of their beliefs. You know, I think so often we allow them to, you know, make a Catholic defend a specifically Catholic, you know, belief, which I think in most debates we actually still you know win those too. But when you make them defend one of their specifically Protestant beliefs, it is just incredible how easily it gets torn apart.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:20

Yeah. I mean, I honestly like like when it when it comes to some of our traditions that you know, when you read the Bible, it looks like it's so horrible. Like in the past couple of years, what I've really just understood, especially like from conversations on the show and understanding how culture forms and stuff like that, like the the idea of statues, especially, statues and artwork is one of those things where you see how important statues and artwork are to culture. And even they get it because they all flipped out when the freaking BLM writers wanted to rip down the Christopher Columbus statues and the Thomas Jefferson statues and all the so because they saw that as destroying their culture, but they don't make the connection that they did that very thing to Catholic culture when they destroyed all those. Like uh, I saw some chick the other day did a video. She was like, um, she's like, uh, my son has a figurine of a saint, that's idol worship. But my but his friend who's a Protestant, when he plays with like an action figure, that's not that's not idol worship at all. Like it's like if you if you put a Catholic saint, an image of a Catholic saint, that's somehow idolatry. But if you have a picture of just some random person, that's not idolatry. It's just the it's such low IQ thinking. They like they they never actually follow their ridiculous concepts to their conclusion.

SPEAKER_05 1:33:52

No, no, they they don't.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:57

Um you're just you're just explaining to everybody. All Protestants are idolaters once christmas rolls around, right? Like a nativity scene is totally fine. But if you just leave that nativity scene up past past uh December 26th, then it's idolatry. Yeah, I don't know, man. We're uh well I'm I'm hoping we can I'm hoping we can get Josh and Wagner on together to discuss uh their difference in opinion on the eschatology stuff. The the thing about eschatology also is it's one of the subjects you're allowed to disagree on. Yeah, like you're allowed to have a wide range of disagreements on eschatology. Um, it's one of the most difficult topics to view. Like when when people don't agree with me on it, it's not like I think they're a heretic or don't, but like it's we're kind of just trying to read the signs of the times and saying, okay, well, there's crazy stuff happening right now. What do we think? So it's interesting to actually get into, especially with Josh, because he gets into the church fathers and stuff like that, and it's you know, somebody a little more well-read than I.

SPEAKER_05 1:35:21

So did Shamoon and Wagner ever squash the beef. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_14 1:35:27

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:30

Shamoon, man, he's such a brilliant dude. I love him, man. Like, I I don't know. I I learned so much when he takes when he when he comes on. I I hope those guys could work it out because yeah, I don't know. I uh that but that's kind of why I don't want to put the John Henry Weston thing up. It's because you don't want to put people who like John Henry Weston and like us in a position where they have to go, oh Anthony's talking about him. I have to choose a side. Like, you don't need to choose a side when people are beefing. I don't. I like Sam and I like Christian, and I'm not gonna pick a side in that. We have so many friends like that, right? Like like Father Maudsley and Daniel O'Connor, they got their thing. It's like I'm not, I don't know anything about Louisa Pickett. I don't know anything about that father design will thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:15

Oh, wait, we're not supposed to talk about that one.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:18

Yeah, that's that one's behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:24

But I saw uh Novus Ordo watch put out a video about Father Maudsley and the Pius the 12th uh holy week changes.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:35

Yeah, we're friends with Majorian. No, we're not friends with Lila Rose.

SPEAKER_14 1:36:40

I like Lila better than Majorian.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:43

That's because Lila doesn't retweet your tweets and say you're wrong.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:48

Anthony saw Trump's tweet about Alex Jones and decided I go bring that up. Bring that one up. Bring this one up. Trump is losing his shit. Like he's he's legit losing his mind. He he can't see that these are people who helped him get elected. These are people who went to bat for him and they're like, What are you doing right now? They're low IQ. The thing he says about Candace is funny, though. Um, I know why Tucker, Megan, Candace, and Alex Jones have been fighting fighting me for years. No, they haven't. Right off the bat, what the heck are you talking about? We haven't even been in office for a year, uh, especially by the fact that they think it's wonderful for Iran, the number one state sponsor of terror to have a nuclear weapon, because they have one thing in common low IQs. They're stupid people, they know it, their families know it, and everyone else knows it too.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:47

Like you told us last year that that we had set their nuclear program back years by bombing them last year.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:55

Look at their past, look at their record. They don't have what it takes, and they never did. They've all been thrown off television, lost their shows, and are even aren't even invited on TV because nobody cares about them. They're nuts, troublemakers, and they will say anything necessary for some free and cheap publicity. Like Trump is talking about bombing entire civilizations, and he only thinks in terms of TV ratings.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:16

And these people got kicked off TV because they supported him.

SPEAKER_02 1:38:21

Bro, it's like the it that his brain goes to TV ratings when we're talking about annihilating civilizations and putting them back to the Stone Age is so insane. Now they think they're gonna get some clicks because they have third-rate podcasts, but nobody's talking about them, and their views are opposite of MAGA, or I wouldn't have won the presidential election in a landslide. MAGA agrees with me and just gave CNN 100% approval rating of Trump. What is he talking about?

SPEAKER_05 1:38:53

Yeah, what is he talking about there?

SPEAKER_02 1:38:55

Not hand flailing fools like Tucker Carlson, who couldn't even finish college. He was a broken man when he got fired from Fox, and he's never been the same. Perhaps he should see a psychiatrist or Megan Kelly, who nastily asked me the now famous only Rosary O'Donnell question, or crazy Candace Owens. This is the fun part. Crazy Candace Owens, who accuses the highly respected First Lady of France of wait.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:18

Of being a man when she is at the very top.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:21

Oh, okay. Of being a man when she is very uh all right, so she is not, and we'll hopefully win lots of money in the ongoing lawsuit. Actually, to me, the first lady of France is far more beautiful woman than Candace. In fact, it's not even close, dude. Whatever her name is, uh Brigitte, Brigitte McCrone. Brigitte, like whether she is a man or not, she looks like a man.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:47

So like I I am personally not attracted to most African-American women, and I'm not attracted to Candace, but Candace is a better-looking woman than Brigitte McCon Macron or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:59

So uh Rob Mazzada says this is kayfabe, which it might be, it might be all this might be theater, right? Like, even the even the Tucker stuff might be theater. I don't know. I don't know what to think. It's like you don't want to get into echoing Mockingbird crap. But I don't know. I think Tucker like genuinely is worried about this war. Like, I I mean maybe I'm naive. It could be Project Mockingbird stuff, I don't know, but it just seems like he's genuinely like he doesn't want this war with Iran.

SPEAKER_14 1:40:43

I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:54

Nothing I can repeat. What the Trump reads is a lot and then the training? No, the Trump likes chicks with dicks.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:22

Uh yeah, Trump's very obviously a child throwing a tantrum. His ego would not allow him to say he's in the wrong for our fault. I agree. Gotta blame them while trying to turn the audience to his side because he knows the I yeah, I I think um I think all this stuff heads in a bad direction.

SPEAKER_13 1:41:43

I don't know. I know everybody look, it's like that's I sound very blackpilled.

SPEAKER_05 1:41:53

That one is from I know it's from before 41 minutes ago.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:57

Yeah, I know, but it's still it's funny. Like it I think honestly, that's why people appreciate the dynamic between us because the people that think I'm blackpilling have you in their corner. And I'm sorry, Mrs.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:10

Casey Casey. He wanted me to say it. Blame it.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:16

Yeah, it's locals. Um, all right.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:19

We're gonna YouTube.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:21

Well, we won't put the whole thing up. No, we're gonna keep locals locals. We'll just do we'll do what was going to be the YouTube section. We'll put that up.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:28

Well, cigar mode, yeah. He got them out of the military because the first term he got them into the military, just like, yeah, he reopened the strait after he closed the strait, like he causes most of these problems that he fixes.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:43

The thing, the other thing is um, Israel blowing the ceasefire, right? Like, well, I think we all saw that one coming, right? But they have to, yeah, they have to destroy the sea, they can't they can't have a ceasefire, they cannot let us pull out of there because we've essentially left Iran in a better position than they were before we attacked them.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:04

That and if uh they don't have a war emergency going on, BB's corruption trial uh resumes on Sunday. I'm serious.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:13

I believe it. The the uh no, but we've left Iran in a better position. Like the Iran has learned all we got to do is shut down the Strait of Hormuz.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:23

Well, which they knew we knew, everyone in the world knew. Why was there no plan?

SPEAKER_02 1:43:29

It's just like they they they basically have a bargaining chip now where they're holding the world hostage, and if we get a ceasefire and pull out, Israel can't continue its Greater Israel project, and then like this is their last chance, they're not going to be able to pull off what they have right now with Trump. Trump is the guy who will literally go and just destroy everything without any kind of no other politician in our lifetimes in any has ever done anything like what Trump is doing. Well, he'll just go in and he doesn't care. And if you disagree with him, even if you're as base, he'll just say you're low IQ, you get bad ratings.

SPEAKER_12 1:44:07

Like that's just he just doesn't care. He just doesn't care.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:16

Um who are Trump's advisors? They genuinely must be retailing. He surrounded himself with all the people that we all said we were trying to get rid of. Like he was supposed to drain the swamp, he elevated the swamp. Never been so like just I I can't, I'm telling you, I can't watch things with him anymore. Like he's just annoying to me. I don't find them funny anymore.

SPEAKER_05 1:44:42

Used to be hilarious, he's just old now, and he's just like yeah, I mean it it's amazing the difference since 2016.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:53

Oh 2016, Trump was the man. Yeah, stop blaming the advisors as Trump. I think it's Trump and Israel, I think it's the combination. The two of them are just but if you if you go back and you look at even his first term, man, the things he did for Israel in his first term were would disgusting, but we just didn't know the stuff back then, like we weren't cued into it yet, right? But his first term with the Abraham Accords, basically screwing Palestine completely, because with the Abraham Accords, it used to be like all the neighboring Arab countries would never normalize relations with Israel until Palestine had a had a state or at least a solution or a deal. And what Kushner did is he went in and he went, Well, what's your price? Like, how much how what do I gotta give you? And he went and he gave military equipment to this one, and he got like he just it cost billions of taxpayer dollars to normalize relations with all these Arab countries and it screwed the Palestinians. Um, moving the moving the capital of Israel to Jerusalem, like all the things he did, he just catered to the Jews that first term, and none of us were cued into it yet. Like we weren't even talking about this stuff back then, and now it's like everything's just out in the like, especially because so many people are awake to the Israel issue, there's no way they can stop the momentum they have right now. So, no matter what peace deal they broker, it's gonna be temporary. It's going to be temporary. There's no Israel cannot allow this momentum to hold up. And the thing is, they're upset, like they're they're destroying Lebanon right now. I'm pretty sure that's where, like, like in Lebanon is where the wedding of Cana was. I mean, I have to double check that, but I'm pretty sure the wedding of Cana was in Lebanon. Like, this you're talking about the original Christians were in Lebanon.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:47

Yeah, DNA studies show that uh Lebanese and Palestinian Christians are actually far more genetically related to first century Judeans. 100% than you know, the Eastern Europeans we call Israelis are. Um so some historians in Lebanese traditions are you the wedding of Cana occurred in Cana, just spelled the Q, a village in southern Lebanon.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:18

Oh, so maybe it's not like the actual wedding of Canaan. It's just like they claim that the bones of Peter are there.

SPEAKER_05 1:47:24

So the Franciscan the Franciscan wedding chapel um is at Kafir Kana in Israel. That's the widely accepted site. But um, yeah, there is a potential site in Lebanon.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:37

I think like so much of this is Israel wants to claim all of the sites, all the biblical sites. Like they just they want all of the biblical sites that means they have to go to Baghdad, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:47:52

Didn't uh what didn't Abraham or was it Abraham that's yeah they but they do want that they they want yeah that's what gate greater Israel is, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:48:00

That's what the Greater Israel project is. So and yeah, they do want Rome, and and you know, from the looks of it, they have it. From the looks of things, it seems they have it. Like because to as to like to go to what Nick was talking about, like how does any president defy them? How do I like how do you even how does any like if you if you defy them, you end up dead, you end up like JFK. Like, what do you even do with that? They've threatened us with nukes. Like they've they're just they're just nuts. I I don't know, man. It's kind of an interesting thing where it's like there's an aspect where because the war is over there, it's not that you want America to lose, but you want Israel to lose, you know. Like, like you you don't want America to lose because you love our country and you never want to see that. But like there's a there's an aspect of this where it's like, I hope we get a peace deal apart from Israel. I hope we get a peace deal apart from Israel and we pull out, and then Israel has to deal with this crap on their own.

SPEAKER_03 1:49:21

Yeah.

Nineveh Repentance And Final Takeaways

SPEAKER_02 1:49:21

And it's like, let them let them dig their own grave. Anything can happen. Anything can happen. But I think anything can happen. I think I think, like we were talking about before, the way to victory is through fasting and penance. And I don't know if there's enough of us willing to do that. It's the same thing with honestly, if you if if we've talked about this before too, like when the when the sex summit happened under Francis, remember when they called that sex summit because after the McCarrick scandal? If they all those bishops would have gone there, wore sackcloth and ash, and begged God's forgiveness. For the sins of the clergy. Like that would have literally changed, changed the face of the earth. It would have changed the church everything. If they would have just begged God for mercy for their sins. But instead, they were like, well, we're going to classify if they weren't underage and they justified same-sex crap between priests and clergy. Like the we don't have a a hierarchy that is willing to admit the deep devastation they cause to the church. Yeah. Man, like that's all it would actually take if you wanted to fix everything. It would take the Pope calling all the calling a consistory and getting everybody there, and they wear black sackcloth and they literally beg God for mercy for the sins they committed. Not for the sins of the past sins of the church, not for the oh sorry for sorry for putting Indian children in grave. Not for that crap, for their sins against children, against the laity. Like if they did that, it would literally reshape the church. You would have a Nineveh moment. That would be how, like, that's the only way out of this. You want to see some kind of conquering church? We have to convince the hierarchy to do something like that. And that I think then God would use us like Nineveh. And we could be the the chastisement to the to the heathens. But that's the only way that happens, and I don't see I don't see how that happens. We as the laity could do our part. I know that. So that's all we can do.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:54

Yeah, do our part.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:55

I'm telling you, man, like Easter's over. Treat it like Lent's still here. Easter's not over. You know what I mean. Like Easter, Easter is here, but treat it like we're still in Lent. No, we can't do that during the octave.

unknown 1:52:10

All right.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:10

Literally. Monday. On Monday, guys. Next Monday. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:52:16

You know what I'm getting at. Like because I developed some amazing habits during Lent that I really don't want to go back to. I don't want to go like undo those.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:24

Yeah.

unknown 1:52:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:25

Someone says, yeah, if you know, we change the world if we all breed the rosary at mass.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:33

Only if it's for the Black Monk Rosary. Guys, go support Black Monk Rosary, man. Come on. Give them a big push. Let them know that that sponsoring our show is a good decision.

SPEAKER_05 1:52:42

And use one of these things as a concealed weapon in New York City to beat someone who does. Dude, the one I have is metal. Yeah. Yeah. This one's black steel. And look at the uh look at the R Father bees on this thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:54

They're crazy. Dude, I I love these rosaries. They're they're just they're great gifts.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:00

Adrian. Adrian. Adrian says, Anthony. I developed the habit of eating five pounds of lobster. Three times. We got three five-pound orders of lobster.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:12

Three five-pound orders of lobster. The uh no, the one meal a day, man. The one meal a day thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:53:19

Yeah, it's that's a good one.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:20

It's transformative, I'm telling you. It really is. The the just not eating at work and just my wife making dinner for for us once, eat once a day. It's like uh it really, it's it, I don't know. It just it opens you up to just, I don't know. It opened me up to a lot of a lot of experiences of God's grace during Lent. And He gives me graces to be able to do it during Lent. That's what's crazy because as soon as Lent's over, the freaking amount of temptation from food that comes in is wild. It is wild how much temptation from food comes in. Like, I'm at worrying. I know it's Easter, but I'm still trying not like I don't want to, I don't want to overindulge and being be a glutton.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:06

No, you you def yeah, you can yeah, you don't want to overindulge.

Closing Notes And Next Shows

SPEAKER_02 1:54:11

So it's just like I'm passing places now, and it's like I'm allowed to have bread and cheese, and I just the sandwiches and pizza are calling me. All right, all right, we're gonna wrap this one up, boys and girls. We'll be back on Tuesday, and uh and we'll go from there. It's a fun show.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:31

Um, next Thursday, Ant will not be on the show. Um, I think I'm gonna see if I can get Ryan Grant on for a history episode. But um, if I can't get him on, maybe we'll have uh maybe we'll maybe we'll get Majorian on to do a Contra Anthony episode.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:49

You could do that. You could do that. I would I'd like to get Majorian on anyway, just come and hang one night. Um all right. All right, boys. We'll see you uh we'll see you Tuesday, boys and girls.