Pax Judaica: The Empire of Spectacle w/ Dr. Deep State (Full LOCALS Version)

The fastest way to lose your grip on reality is to let the spectacle pick your next thought for you. We sit down with Dr. Haugen, known online as Dr. Deep State, to talk about why modern politics can feel like theater, how psyops and media manipulation shape what people notice, and what a Catholic is supposed to do when everything is competing for attention at once. 

Dr. Haugen’s book Saints of the Apocalypse becomes our roadmap. We dig into the “empire of spectacle” idea, then move into Saint Stephen, typology, and why the saints don’t just give opinions, they train vision. We also wrestle with hard questions about Christian civilization, conscience, and how debates about Vatican II and Christian-Jewish relations can get flattened into slogans that create more heat than light. Throughout it, we keep coming back to a non-negotiable: tell the truth without becoming bitter. 

From there we open up bigger end times themes: Mark of the Beast fears, biodigital convergence, vaccine-era conscience pressures, Noahide laws, and the role AI and full-spectrum surveillance could play in future control systems. Whether you’re searching for Catholic spiritual warfare, end times discernment, AI and Christianity, or how to resist doom scrolling, the takeaway is the same: stay anchored in prayer, scripture, confession, and the Eucharist, and learn to suffer with joy. 

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Transcript

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SPEAKER_00 1:06

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Introducing Dr. Deep State

SPEAKER_03 1:18

Oh my gosh, I wasn't sure where that was going. I had no idea. I was waiting, I was waiting for the thing to get lifted and see knickknacks and lobster under the tray. Yeah. That's what I was waiting for. All right. So Dr. Haugen, I uh I've been excited to uh to get you on. So I've been um a fan of your channel for a while now. I've thrown a few comments in the channel on on some episodes I watched of yours. Um, but I finally decided to uh get your number or get your email and reach out to you. And you and I got to speak for the first time on Saturday, and you sent me your book, and your book grabbed me right from the beginning. Um, but before we even get into that, I have to tell you, I have to give credit to you for something because I was very much wrapped into the spectacle of the Trump reelection uh campaign, and very much wrapped into like the this the spectacle of what they were doing to us. And I and I was like hopeful for the Trump administration to come in. And within like 30 days, it hit me like a ton of bricks. Like, oh my goodness, I fell for it. And one of the things that helped break me out of that was watching an episode of your show when you were talking about spectacle, and you guys were actually talking about the assassination attempt, and I was like, holy cow, this whole thing was just theater. And that sounds like a crazy thing to say, but the more I thought about it, the more that really, really like sunk in on me, and it it broke me out of that. And I'm very grateful for you, to you for getting me out of even considering the this whole Trump MAGA movement because I was it was it was very early on. I was able to get out of it, and I never never fell for it after that.

SPEAKER_02 3:15

Excellent. Well, thank you all for having me. Thank you, Rob. Thank you, Anthony, for having us. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I yeah, I don't like the quick word about that. I felt immediately that was uh Butler, I think it was the 13th of July, and I wanted to do something before Monday. I took Sunday off, and I knew I had to get in there. Um, and yeah, I do deal with psyops, and I usually would like more background evidence. And I it's not what I do on my show, I do it on my locals channel a little bit more more recently.

SPEAKER_03 3:47

I I am terrible at introducing people. I should say, okay, so what I'm horrible at this. I'm really sorry. So what it's only been four years. What is your what is your show, your channel name?

SPEAKER_02 3:58

I'm Dr. Deep State.

SPEAKER_03 4:00

So this is Dr. Deep.

Trump Theater And Psyops

SPEAKER_02 4:01

I've been around uh nine years here, come up a uh in uh in August. It's been uh nine years, and I could give you a little bit of my background, but yeah, about the Trump thing. It was one of these things I knew I saw on queue the politicians Trump is them, you know, the lion that roared. And I saw Catholics jumping into this, and I said, Look, I just to before I get all of the evidence, I said, this is what I'm seeing. This is a total psyop. Just back off, put it if you just get the emotions on the shelf, and if I have to, I'll come back with the actual evidence because everything about this fits a tradition, a typical uh pattern of a psyop. And I did. I called it killing the uh uh magic bullet messiah. I think I came back within a month, and and I that's not usually my take. Uh so just quickly on the show, I started it. I have my PhD is in kind of deep history, deep state kind of stuff. So I was always gonna just do a scholarly and uh like the first year the channel was setting up as a course, kind of like that Professor Jang does kind of thing. Stuff I wasn't able to do that.

SPEAKER_03 5:14

That guy has been shoved down everybody's throat for the past year.

SPEAKER_02 5:17

But I didn't I didn't go viral with it, unfortunately, or probably fortunately. But um, so that's how I started out, and you know, there's it's a long story, but um, I've always uh looked at uh fringe kind of element of of politics called biopolitics and connecting that to technology and prophecy and scripture, and uh that led me in it's a long story into Catholicism, and then everything breaks open because you're operating with a proper ecclesiology, theology, eschatology. What were you before what were you before you converted? I was I was raised Lutheran, and I by the time I was 18, I can't even blame college before I probably set foot there. I was an agnostic, and uh, I'll give a shout out to my brother-in-laws in Long Island over there. Uh we were playing around back this in 2012, 2013, and they were really into this stuff, and I'd never I thought I'd gone with my dissertation, and I it's called the Epistemic Community of Empires, doing comparative empire and trying to go deep, epistemic, deep networks. And I thought I was good, and they started talking about like, what are you guys talking about? You know, and we were on a ski trip and we were going deeper and deeper, and I'd kind of gotten into it for six months, and there was there was a magic point uh that I never thought when I woke up that morning I'd be I'd have a radical conversion, and that has to do with my brother-in-law's and us probing and everything, the deep state channel and you know my spiritual direction kind of merged into January of 2013.

SPEAKER_03 6:58

Yeah, that's that's uh so okay. My daughter just ran down here. I don't know what she wanted, but I want I wanna I want to start this off by just because we we're talking about spectacle, we're talking about uh psyops and stuff like that. But uh so you send me your book. I want to actually just give people a little glimpse into oh, sorry, I got Rob.

SPEAKER_04 7:17

Is the book available currently?

SPEAKER_02 7:20

Yeah, it was released January this year, and it's called Saints of the Apocalypse, right?

SPEAKER_01 7:26

I think I have a copy.

Saints Of The Apocalypse Prologue

SPEAKER_03 7:27

Yes, okay, so it's called Saints of the Apocalypse. So I so he sends me this book. I just want you guys to listen to this. This is the prologue. The world did not end in fire, it ended in distraction. The apocalypse did not arrive as a singular catastrophe, but as a condition, an atmosphere in which everything is visible and nothing is seen. We live inside a permanent unveiling that reveals endlessly yet explains nothing, where attention is harvested, desire is trained, and the soul is slowly starved without ever realizing it's hungry. This is the empire of spectacle, and it does not merely shape our politics, our media, or our economy or our economies, it shapes our imagination, it teaches us what to love, what to fear, and most dangerously what not to notice. Yet the spectacle is not the true enemy, it is an instrument. Behind every empire stands a power that prefers to remain unnamed, the ancient adversary who does not create but corrupts, who does not rule openly but insinuates, who does not destroy but by force but by imitation. He has always understood that the most effective way to kill faith is not persecution but confusion, not martyrdom, but distraction, not the denial of God, but the replacement of God with endless substitutes. The saints have warned us with this. This is, I mean, talk about something that grabs your attention because of the world that we live in today, where everything is just vying for our attention. There really is everything on our screens is telling us what to love, what to hate. We have influencers everywhere, uh, and almost all of them seem like those are psyops. And it just the the entire world constructed around us seems fake.

SPEAKER_02 9:13

Increasingly, yeah. Well, look at the look at the intro video. That's true.

SPEAKER_03 9:22

It is kind of ironic we're using AI as our intro videos. Um, but you did a really great job because over the last couple of years, uh uh I Rob and I have kind of been on this journey of discovering uh this this almost like hidden uh facet of scripture that I had never really noticed before. And it it was something that we all, I mean, we've all read the gospels, we all grow up in in the Catholic faith, and you you almost like brush over it in the way that the faith is presented to us in modern times. But I started noticing this really hectic situation happening between Jews and Christians in the world, and I started seeing a corralling of Catholics going over to Jewish media, and I started saying something odd is going on here, and it just made me start diving into this it would seem like the entire theme of scripture and the golden thread that runs throughout it, which is this enmity between Jews and Christians, even from the the the old testament, and it's something that you touch on quite a bit on your channel, too.

Saint Stephen And The Two Trees

SPEAKER_02 10:32

Yeah, do you want me to go with that? I mean, what what yeah? Just run with it.

SPEAKER_03 10:36

I'm gonna go like a conversation, I'm not gonna ask questions.

Romans 9 To 11 Reframed

SPEAKER_02 10:38

I'm a terrible interviewer, but there's a lot of ways I could run with this. Yes, it starts with the two trees in the garden, and it's playing out right now in our world and the identity, our ability to then identify it. And we can come and hit Saint Stephen, but the thesis of the book, what built Christian civilization is the ability of Saint Stephen as he's being executed, the vision opens up. Saint uh Saint Augustine, Saint Athanasius, Saint John Christostom are going to build that image, intertwine it with the transfiguration, and it will build the architecture, specifically with Augustine. The church's ecclesiology, its theology, its eschatology are built. That is the architecture, and it's the vision that guides us. The goal of the serpent, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, the mystery schools, and we can go through all the typologies from Cain to Esau to the Pharisees and the modern Pharisees. They operate in that metaphysical and theological realm. So the ability to identify it is fundamentally, before we get into the emotions and the feelings and you know the political correctness, it's fundamentally theological and typological. And so that's our ability. The built Christian civilization, conversely and typologically, I argue, will blur and diminish. And however, I put it there on the St. Stephen chapter chapter, I think I put it more precisely, but it will emotize it into an earthly promise. And that is the plan of the serpent from the beginning, is to flip the script. If I had to continue, uh, just an interesting place where I find try to not talk too long here on this one, but no, go ahead. Go ahead. Don't worry. What I'd be going on right now with uh the hierarchy, even the best meaning of them, is a lot of the discourse and our understanding is kind of not that clear. It really is the book of Romans 9 through 11. And it has to be viewed in its fullness to what's understood. So when I'm talking about the saints, all the way, I'm talking all the way, you know, from Saint Stephen all the way until Saint Colby and our blessed mother and Fatima. There was a it was the understanding that they're they're the enemy. So when Mo Nostreatate said they recognize that they pressed for the life of Christ, but what's omitted? Here's the trick about the blurring that took place with Nostroietate. They continue to kill Christ. That's what animates them, that's what they're about. That's rabbinical Judaism is a creation in opposition to the incarnation of Christ, and that is their mission, that is what they're called to do. Um, so when you start seeing that, you can see it play out in this in the saints. Help us see that. And again, I'm getting a couple different places. I want to come back to Romans. I do a locals, we have three shows a week. We have memory hall Friday. The church is so wonderful, the information it has between 1850 and 1950. A lot of it's in French and Spanish and hasn't been translated, but so much of it is there. They open your eyes to everything that's happening, but it has been memory holed. And this is, you know, by 1950, it was mostly press under in preparation of the springtime of the church. But back to Romans. So they had kind of a view of Romans 9 through 11 that recognized the enmity. They pressed elder brother, but what they did is essentially we have to live separate lives. And if you're coming into Europe, you you we need to live separately. And that's what, and then you see, and this is really pointed out in articles like Seville Catholica and a lot of the stuff I just referenced, that with that emancipation in the 19th century, there was a predictable pattern within 20 years, it had conquered the economy of 80% of Europe, then the book dealers, the journals, academia, and it was almost feta complete by 1880, says Sevilta Catholica. So um that information, now we get a new kind of no striatate understanding of this, and it's technically, technically kind of correct, but it's blurred so far that essentially with Trads and everyone else, our understanding of that relationship between the church and the synagogue is essentially, I'm hopping all over here, what we could find in 17th century England. They had broken from the Catholic Church and they redefined the relationship between, we can call Christian and Jews, but I think more accurately, the Roman Catholic Church and Jews, and they'd redefined that. So the new friend that was gonna build the English Empire that required a new political theological framework of friendship building together. That was the new, this is what we're living through right now. This is the birthing of the Anglo-American Empire. It's pretty similar to the interpretation of Romans 8, uh 9 through 11 that we get in Nostriotate. That's what the British Empire essentially used. But the new enemy now that would really animate this was the Roman Catholic Church. So when we understand that that is embedded in classical liberalism at the base of both the British and the American Empire, we see this kind of political ecumenism that it always ends up with the Catholic faith being diluted and kind of channeled into their project. So one of the things a lot of people can recognize the dangers of theological ecumenism that's going on now. But the whole Trump thing and kind of just backing out of it, it's like there's an inevitable direction that is a Catholic, a traditional Catholic that wants to embrace the whole of the faith, you have to be really aware what you're hooking your train to there. There's a project in place and it will lead to AI and antichrist. So when you start seeing that, you kind of start, St. Anthony, having your time in the desert, before I say, Well, what should I be doing? Have a little delay time and just go, how did the saints understand and how is this being blurred in Catholicism through Nostriatate? Because it's mostly through uh omission, not this insistence that there is a perpetual, eternal enmity between the older son that for that that threw away their inheritance and is animated by the anger of what they have done in a metaphysical sense, and they continue the killing of Christ. And again, I say on my channel over and over, this is just the project over and over and over for this new world to begin. Christ must be killed in every sense in the physical structure in the hearts and minds of believers. So I sorry, Anthony, I kind of went no, no, let Rob go because Robin at the bit.

SPEAKER_04 17:49

So I got two things. Um, first, you said that um they really it gained power in Europe first, uh, in England. Was that in Italy? In in England, you said.

England And The New Empire Logic

SPEAKER_02 18:02

Uh yes, that was the linchpin for the modern empire because they weren't they chose it was in Holland and they chose to embed it, you know, it kind of shifted from the Spanish Empire. We call these the hegemonic periods and international relations, so that it shifts from Holland or it's from Spain to Holland. That's the birth of capitalism. So I went down in my book, Metaverse, and just traced the construction. And so the financiers there were talking, not the typical Anglos, but already the Anglos on the fringe that were playing with the new millennial vision. And they said, basically, here's some money, here's a vision, here's a new theology, here's a new friend-enemy distinction. And with that, they had a new vision of a mercantile empire which would become the British and eventually the American Empire. What part of that, Rob, do you want me to dwell on?

SPEAKER_04 18:53

Well, just um, did they was England chosen because they had already broken from the church then? Did was that the reason, or did they help them break from the church?

SPEAKER_02 19:06

I guess what's there's multiple reasons, um, but one of them is geostrategic because Holland was on a landlocked thing around Catholics. And as far as a long-term plan, an island and the British Navy, it was they they uh calculated with the proper investments could more properly launch uh in both spheres an empire. Um but so there's multiple reasons there that they chose England, and I think with that, they chose the English language, and they were developing that around this time of Sir Francis Bacon, and he has his visions of a new Atlantis. So we'd really put the language of empire into Shakespeare and Bacon and so forth. And it's it's a language that's redesigned around thought patterns of empire. But one of the other critical reasons that I mentioned is uh Holland was surrounded by Catholic countries, and they really wanted just to kind of take that next leap over.

SPEAKER_04 20:04

Is this this new English language of empire is it drastically different from like the notion of empire and with like you know the Charlemagne and the Holy Roman Empire?

SPEAKER_02 20:16

I think they're just pulling in perhaps more uh romantic root languages that would speak to you know an all-encompassing worldview that would kind of link back to the Greco-Roman empires.

SPEAKER_03 20:32

Yeah, one of my biggest issues with the trad movement, uh that that's really been bugging me of late, especially, is the is their failure to recognize this issue. It's like they'll they'll harp on Vatican II, they'll harp on all the problems in the church, but they don't get how important this element of the story is to everything. And you you even if you don't understand like the church's traditional teaching on this stuff, just look at it from a common sense point of view, where they reject Christ, the the the church or the church then gets formed, the Roman Empire converts to Christianity, they destroy the temple, and then they see God's grace poured out upon this new empire that covers the entire world. And out of enraged and with jealousy, that this this structure gets gets put up against each other, right? You have these two peoples where one and the and we're claiming that the god of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is our God, and he has blessed us, and his kingdom spreads over the entire earth. Now, they're from the in from their rejection of Christ, they're up against that system. So it's just I mean, this is just something you can just look at the story and see how that plays out. But then when you understand what the saints have said about it, and then what happens. Happens after World War II at that council and this blurring of this issue, it's even made Trads afraid to touch it because everybody is afraid to be called an anti Semite, and they're afraid to be labeled with this this late. It's just a label they're all terrified of. And if you don't recognize it, it's going to it's going to you're going to misunderstand the entire story if you don't see this element of it.

Egregores And Mass Suggestion

SPEAKER_02 22:26

Yeah, a couple of quick comments. I mean, it it in just intuitively, it kind of hits you when you hear that they're waiting for their messiah. It doesn't take too much thinking to go like that. Sounds like it would be antichrist without going into the topology, just of base logic. Yet so many people, evangelicals, are building it. And Catholic, you know, Catholics can at least kind of identify we're kind of not Zionists, or then there's Catholics that are going to play with words, and we will, you know, theologically, no, but politically, yes. And so they're murking up the water. But yeah, it's pretty simple. That uh, as you know, and you could even just again read uh Romans 9 through 11 through a traditional lens and kind of see that that's being constructed. And yes, you can have a generous view, and and and and God still loves them, and that there could be a mass conversion. The other thing I'll just comment. I mean, so I just yes, so the question is why don't people recognize something so obvious? So, one of the terms I use, you know, I have the singularity book where I first mentioned this term, and then my metaverse book, because that's what they're constructing. This is the AI Tower of Babel that they're constructing. It's a technologically mediated ascension. So their their Mashiach is going to involve AI. It's part of their okay. So so how could like how could Christians of any, you know, Christians like fall for this or this kind of modern interpretation, or you know, Scarfeld, Darby Scarfeld? How do they how do they fall for? So I come up the word egregore. Yeah, somebody told me we have to we have to have you explain egregor to us. What the saints, the magisterium has always said there's group thinks and it creates a mind prism, and that's an egregore. And that mind prism can be dormant for a long time and be reactivated or triggered through sigils and so forth, and it can eventually be an entire God form. And so that's essentially um what people are attaching themselves to, and we get it through uh theological and political ecumenism. We attach ourselves to these thought forms, and the Trump delusion is a big part of it. And you know, people want to hang on that you know, some something was written in the 1890s that we have to be involved. You know, we're really in time of, you know, we can discuss this. We're really in kind of mark of the beast kind of time. We really have to be extra discerning about the snares of the devil in this age of delusion. And so just following what's been memory hold helps you snack out of it to be wise as serpents, see their techniques, how they operate through deception. And it and the last thing I'll say about this is there's also a deflection through what characters that have been kind of put out there to blackwash the issue, everything from Hitler to Nick Fuentes. That if I start looking into it, I'll start acting like a mean, you know, hurt kind of person. In our locals community, we come in and you just see no, you engage in love. Michael Matt uh, I think does a good job of leading the pack on this, and he'll say, Don't become one of them, because that's the technique. You have to learn to do this through the mind of the church, through love. And I'm not just saying that casually. If you can't do that, then you're probably better off just kind of being lost in the sauce if you think it's gonna trigger you. But people assume that because that's been put out there for you. It doesn't, it gets you through that darkness into another level of love and doing what God commands us to do. Understand you need to identify the enmity because you need to pray for the good of the other to be saved, and you can't do that if you're just in this blur, be this Vatican II kind of blur, or this evangelical, you know, this Protestant, you know, dual covenant nonsense, which is really what the hierarchy is doing, always slipping through their language, a crypto dual covenant thinking. And once you kind of recognize it, because they cherry-pick these parts of Romans from 9 to 11, and they they pick the parts that will make their case, but it's always in omission of how the church has always understood this before you know the 1940s.

SPEAKER_03 27:04

Yeah, I I uh I've always um it's frustrating with the modern hierarchy, right? Like you have Bishop Barron coming out right at the beginning of Holy Week and talking about how Judas might not be in hell. It's it's it's like such preposterous. Dare we say it's it really is insane what what we're looking at right now. But even even the even the even the good ones, right? Like even those those ones that we so somebody even said uh Bishop Williamson had told us about this years ago, and look what they did to him. They they like ostracized him for even speaking about this. But to your point, outside like this has had a total opposite effect of like developing a hatred. This has lit my faith on fire. Like, I've never been more like secret. I've been so on fire for my faith.

SPEAKER_02 27:58

And not just it says Anthony, at the end of the day, you're saying I'm willing to be martyred for this. Yeah, that's exactly where I was going with it.

Truth Telling With Forgiveness

SPEAKER_03 28:06

So, like, yeah, the there's the the way you the way you uh explain it in in in the first chapters, especially with Saint Stephen. Like, Saint Stephen comes out, and Saint Stephen's like, You stiff-necked people, you murdered the prophets. Look at what you've done. And you see, uh, even Pope Leo came out the other day talking about war, and he did he made like a decent statement about about war, but he he frames the entire thing with just as in terms of the religious authorities not wanting to let go of power, and that's not enough. Like, it's not enough to see it that way. It's not just that these religious authorities wanted power, it's they knew who Christ was, like they knew that he was who he claimed to be, and they still chose to kill him. And it's it to just because there's they're always dancing around this topic that they've they they're afraid to even say the Pharisees at this point because we've been told the Pharisees is what is passed on, and that's the modern day Jews come from Pharisees, so they're afraid to even say the Pharisees at this point, so they'll just say use language like religious leaders. But the thing is, the we are going to need to be willing to lay down our lives for things that are coming down the path. Like, I had a I had a show recently where I kind of went off on younger trads for complaining about where their mass was and stuff like that. I'm like, if that like if you guys are complaining about that and you're not joyful in your suffering because things are going to get wild in the coming years, you really need to be prepared to have your faith on fire and and be willing to confront anything that's coming down the pike right now.

SPEAKER_02 29:48

Another pattern, yeah, uh, along with what you're saying, Anthony. Um, every time you concede, thinking that they'll be fine and they'll they're gonna keep going. So this stuff really starts with, you know, uh, grab back here, Jules Isaac, you know, in preparation. He starts. I know you have you've had like Father Modsley on before and talks about writing. Christian to be purified. Him and him and the him and the the gang that you know were the architects of of Nostreatate, and he's saying, he is calling out individually most of the saints that I used. They especially hate like John Christostom, they hate Augustine. I took a rare saint in their staying, Agabard. I said, like, why'd I pick him? Because they hate him. I okay, and they call not if you first of all you can concede, okay, we're just going to ignore that part of what the saints have said, because you know, like uh St. John Christostom was the golden throat. Well, so you think that they'll be appeased by that, but no, the whole agenda is they think that all of these saints led to the Holocaust, every air in civilization, and they're coming for it, and they don't stop at that. Marthew, Mark, Luke, John, the book of Acts, they want to purify the whole thing, and it just gets harder. And every time you concede, and so at the end of the day, uh, what Saint Thomas Aquinas would call this is a feminist, it's it's a being effeminate in the language that he would use, because you're scared to stand your ground. And when we think about the Great Deception, right, this is serious, given over to an operation of error because you do not love the truth. How can you deny this? This is the exact same thing you can trace. It's in scripture, it's in tradition, it's what built the Catholic Church from the blood of the martyrs, and you want to look the other way, like Gaza, and think it's gonna go away. And the rest of the world is slated to be Gaza. I'm sorry, that's a pattern that's just that once you look at comparative eschatology, this is Jerusalem is a microcosm of what what the grander project is going to be, essentially.

SPEAKER_03 31:59

So, what you what you see going on in Jerusalem, that that's going to be everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

Well, that's so you're gonna be at, I mean, we saw the writing on the wall, starting with you know, even before this, but when the first group of kids at Columbia University started, you know, because every spring they get out there and get their you know protest on, and then suddenly they realize, wow, there's some group you can't do this for, and these thugs come out and they're beating them up, and you can't criticize them, and you can't even stop at that. You can't notice what's going on in the world. You know, this this is gonna continue. There's a project in place, and if you have this kind of thinking where everything in the world is an accident, you won't get it. And I frame it as a cosmic conspiracy. It's running through scripture and the world, it's a war, it's against God, it's Christ and his church, God and man, Christ and his church. And there's an agenda which is to liquidate one in order to build the next, and it's in scripture, the fathers knew it. Uh, certainly the memory hold priests were really calling it out. Like it's it's pretty much too late. That is the fullness of the JQ. This is what they have always done, and they're doing it. When are we going to stand up for Christ? And the church bowed down.

SPEAKER_03 33:16

Uh, yeah, there's a reason Jesus is when he confronts the Pharisees, he calls them serpents, brood of vipers. He's he's calling them back to murderer from the beginning. Your father is a murderer from the beginning, right? He's telling them you are the seed of Cain. And Cain was a murderer. And this goes to Genesis 3:15 that the seed of the woman is the church, and the seed of the serpent are the descendants of Cain. And Jesus is calling them, you serpents, you brood of vipers. How will any of you escape damnation? Yeah, like he's telling he's identifying them as the seed of the serpent right there, and it's just like it's completely vanished from from what we're supposed to follow Christ, we're supposed to love what Christ's like and call out what he called out.

SPEAKER_02 34:04

So, one of the things that's great is you know, to Protestants, he loved his mother, he was devoted to his mother. If you want to follow Christ, that's you know, a good, good, good kind of direction to go. And he loved truth, justice, beauty, he loved truth, he is truth. Jesus, truth is a person, it's Christ. And um, he called out the Pharisees with no uncertain terms, as you just said, and we've lost that. That is what built Christian civilization and created through Saint Stephen the guiding light, the beatific vision, the heavenly vision, and that's being skewed to the extent, and it's a it's a provocative thesis, but you march it over time and it fits the pattern perfectly. The inability of Adam and Eve to identify the tree of good and the knowledge of good and evil and the tree of life. Um, and there's this one other little point I wanted to make, but yes, um people say Christ didn't really hate anything except possibly the Pharisees. Um, I I don't think even in his human form he was capable of that. He was telling us, you know, the how to navigate the church where the snares would be. And uh Saint Stephen and Christ on their crow on the cross forgave them. We if you can't do this with a spirit of complete forgiveness and love, but I would invite everybody you have to go there if you want to, because like I said, uh Second Thessalonians 2 10, this age of a delusion, we want to not be given over to this operation of error, we want to identify the tree of life and good and evil because it's for our salvation. Scripture says right there, this is a salvation issue, it's really serious. So when we tie this to things like, you know, when Christ comes back, will there be faith? This is it, because people know this is the kind of stuff they will martyr you over. Um, and maybe maybe we have to kind of feel this out, you know, in terms of speaking about it, but it uh it's hard to preserve the faith over all, or just if we're just selfishly concerned with our own salvation. Um, but to hook this up fully, there's a competing idea, and I don't know if it matters, but that there will be, we need to pray for the conversion of everyone. And there's you know, two ideas about a mass conversion at some point. Um well, a unification of the brothers.

SPEAKER_03 36:34

I don't know what that mass conversion is.

SPEAKER_02 36:35

Yeah, the fullness of the gentiles, these are very vague kind of ideas, like the Protestants wanted to go with that to become friends and make the Catholic Church enemies, that fullness of the Gentile. But you know, Father Modsley has one view of this conversion, and Robert Sangenis has a different view, so it's not set in stone. But I would imagine if you fit this whole story together, that Christ is going to demonstrate this mind-blowing love because they were an instrument of God's will through time to sharpen us, and that I can kind of see Father Maudsley's view that there would probably be a mass conversion, although that is debated with among people.

SPEAKER_03 37:14

Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't even if it's not a mass conversion, what has to happen is um that they have there is going to be a segment of Jews who bow down to the church, yes, and and and kneel to the church because I have laid you the yeah, like they will recognize what they what they missed out on. So there is there's there's a it's in the apocalypse where Saint John talks about, like he flips the Isaiah prophecy about the nations bowing to Israel, and he flips it around in the inverse, where it's no, it's it's the the Jews who crucify Christ will then worship the true Israel, like they will bow down and worship the true Israel because we are the spotless bride of Christ. So I know that yeah, I don't know what the numbers look like on that, but there is some kind of a unification because what they're doing in Rome is very similar to what you're talking about with the Protestants, where when you see Francis doing this Abrahamic faith house, they're trying to bring about that unification of the brothers without granting them into the new covenant, right? So it's this, it's uh it's very similar to what the Sanhedrin does, is reading the scriptures carnally and trying to fulfill these prophecies in a human way. And it goes to the catechism, talking about the pseudo-messianism that seems like an a solution to our problems by elevating man to the place of God. I mean, that is the pseudo-messianism that's happening where the church is like, ah, we don't have to wait for God's time, we'll just make human fraternity work and we'll all just get together and be friends, and we don't have to all be brothers in Christ anymore. It's it's seeing seeing the church because one of the things you point out is how this takes place in the true church, right? And it goes back to Augustine and really Ticonius talking about the wheat and the tares growing up into the same into the same thing, and it's such an important aspect of this.

Catholics 1973 And Obedience Tests

SPEAKER_02 39:09

The Council of Trent made a point of that in in reference to the Protestant Revolution. They said, until the end of time, you know, the true church, Catholic Church, will have wheat and tares, and it's not our job to necessarily um really uprooting them would be the idea to purify ourselves from this. I'll make reference right here to something really cool I got today. So uh somebody sent me yesterday uh to new locals member, Pooh Bear. And I am yesterday, I'm getting I do a show tomorrow on locals where I it's called um connecting the dots. So this week I'm pulling in uh some kind of heavier stuff about the control demolition and some of the bombings, you know, kind of a little under, and I'm doing that with uh the building of an AI structure and some some um cabbalistic interpretation. So I'm pulling these together and doing multiple things to try to prepare for tomorrow's show. And Pubert says, uh, have you, you know, here's a movie I want you to watch. Brand new member called Catholics, 1973. Never heard of it.

SPEAKER_03 40:20

I've seen it, yeah. I've seen it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:22

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it really very prophetic. It's okay, you know, just really quickly. So the book was from 72, it's futuristic, it's supposed to be like 1979, but it's talking about Vatican IV. So it's true. You're you're we're looking at projections of when we think of this, yeah, and that tension between obedience and consciousness, and it's just a wonderful film. And so my group next week. Um uh, I think the ending was a little weird. So the next week I'm gonna have people watch it and see what they thought about the ending. But yeah, this deals with these very difficult questions of where we're at right now. But I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 41:03

For anybody that's never seen it, it's got Martin Sheen in it. Martin Sheen plays like a hippie priest who goes to this, goes to this cloistered. Oh, because you were talking about ecumenism.

SPEAKER_02 41:13

Yeah, he's praying like in a lotus.

SPEAKER_03 41:16

He goes out, he goes there and he's like, Well, Vatican IV says that we have to do this, like the whole thing's about ecumenism. It's a really it's from 1970.

SPEAKER_02 41:24

I really liked it a lot, and I I don't it I know it's ironic, I haven't really watched hardly any films in 14 years, and it's strange because I'm writing a screenplay right now, but um, I really, really liked it a lot because the way it looks at this projection. What are we gonna do when the hierarchy says no, it's just a symbol? What are you gonna do at that moment? And have you kind of even prepared for it? And you just see that it was it's I really enjoyed the film.

SPEAKER_03 41:52

Yeah, look, I the like the the thing because you I see um I see uh especially like the sedes and stuff, like they will obsess on what the Vatican is doing, and I'm just at this point, I'm just like nothing surprises me with them. Like, there's nothing they could do that would shock me anymore. I'm kind of just prepared for the the church has to suffer uh a death before there could be a resurrection. So I I almost don't even like I'm an accelerationist in it to a degree. It's like bring bring it down so so the so the church can be reborn, because it needs to be reborn. Things are so bad on a human level, these men won't even they won't even even the good ones that you think are the good guys, like they just won't even touch the one thing that needs to be talked about so that we can reclaim our Catholic identity because it it because I'm really sick of the Jewish question, I have to be honest. Like, we've been talking about it so much. Well, yeah, I'm yeah, it's just too important to not talk about because there's some people are talking about it in a way that is that is inflammatory and it is uh getting a little out of hand. So it's like it does need to be spoken about in a responsible manner by people who understand it.

SPEAKER_02 43:04

Yeah, I think like personally, on my journey, um I'm moving, you know, it'll still be part of the locals community because it fits into current affairs. I think you can't, it's hard to understand current affairs without understanding it. But I'm more interested in what you brought up is about I think we need to think about how to suffer. And that's about the passion of the church. And you can kind of think that these were great thespians in this movie, Catholics, 1973, at the end, when they finally got the they're gonna close it. Um, the Eucharist is just a symbol, and they're and now he said we're gonna go in and pray, and just this, the the look of suffering. And we don't want to go through that suffering, but that is part of our you know, uh sanctification. It's happening for a reason. We have to embrace the suffering. And so uh I'll just throw this out. Like what I'm working on is called um Via Della Rosa. Is kind of a type of passion. So it's an incident that happens in Nagasaki in 1597. And it's the first 27 martyrs that would you know taught uh begin this uh several hundred years of the church going underground, and uh a new decree came out. There's 27 of them, they had their ears chopped off and were marched for a hundred miles and tormented. They ended up on the hill of Nagasaki, and you can pull a lot of resources to create a dialogue. But my idea, this is paralleling the passion, and it's gonna be 14 stages, and it's got this inevitability. We know where it's going. Um, and I'm gonna kind of connect it deep in my themes from my books in there. But the idea that I want to tell everybody now, beyond the Jewish question, get away from it, is we need to embrace. I know it sounds lame. We need to learn from you know, we've all been in the spectacle. It it has conditioned us away from this. Um, we need to learn how to, I need to learn how to suffer. That's why I'm going through it emotionally myself, especially Lent, right?

SPEAKER_03 45:10

Like we're in the reason I wanted to get you on because I I asked you to come on so quickly. Like, I would have liked to get through the whole book to really uh you know dissect it with you, but I thought it was important to do this in the lead up to the trituum, especially, which is what we had uh we had Father uh Maudsley on Saturday, and then this because the talking about the spectacle and and how fake everything is around us, like the only reality we really are going to have are the sacraments and scripture, right? And there's nothing more real than the Eucharist. And you you did a good job of explaining hypocrisy in in the early chapters of the book uh about what religious hypocrisy looks like. You want to you you have that you still have because I know I don't know how long ago you wrote the book.

SPEAKER_02 45:56

Do you have any um give me an example, Anthony?

SPEAKER_03 46:00

Uh it's just you when you were describing hypocrisy, it was yeah, Saints of the Apocalypse, definitely worth getting, guys. Go and go and grab it if uh if you have a chance. I I read the um the prologue before it was phenomenal if you're just joining us now. But hypocrisy, it's like it has all because hypo hypocrites were actors, and uh yeah, it's like the the these men they wear religious garb and they perform the ritual, but it's emptied of its divine content, right? Oh and that and that's what I was getting from. And it's like when I when I see so much, especially when they're toying with the liturgy the way they are, it's like the like to not see the uh a significant portion of the modern hierarchy as just hypocrites, and they are the Pharisees that Christ is speaking to in scripture because they wear the religious garb and they have these catchphrases that they'll talk about with loving the stranger and the immigrant, and but they are it's emptied of divine content, all the things that they're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 46:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, just to yeah, a quick point of that. Obviously, 1947, the speech by Bishop Fulton Sheen, the anti-church will have all the mannerisms, and that's you know what hypocrite meant in the Greeks. You have the outward mask, but you're faking it from inside, but uh, but it'll be emptied of its divine content, so it'll have all the motions, and we're moving in that direction. One of the great themes in this movie was, and this is a theme that we're working on in locals this week from from the metaverse book, but it's a change over centuries, but we can see it accelerating now from the purpose of the church being for the salvation of souls to the salvation of man, and that's where you get into liberation theology and all that. But you know, the uh, you know, this uh synod of synodality, you know, it's all those same touch tones, and now they're in the implementation phase, and yeah, we're living it, you know.

SPEAKER_03 47:55

Yeah, it's it these are very crazy times that we're in. Um, so um I I didn't get to the Fatima chapter, but I know you had said to me that that's where you kind of bring it all home, and I'm assuming that it's because our lady talks about a diabolical disorientation and um uh because I didn't get to the Fatima chapter. What it how did you kind of wrap the Saint Stephen thing in with Fatima?

Taking The Conversation To Locals

SPEAKER_02 48:23

Well, one of the things that starts going on, though the the idea of the tree of good and evil, it's mixing those things. So their God, you know, this gets a little abstract. Ensof. Talk about a church that's divine, uh uh emptied of its divine contents. This church, you could call it the Antichrist AI church, it's bringing their God of forces, Ensof, into our reality. And um, their understanding of this God, it's so transcendent you can't name it. It's it's doesn't have essence. That's literally what they're dealing with, and so that's literally would be the the the force that would come into this reality, and that's hard to even kind of think what that exactly means. Uh, but okay, with that chapter. So the dialectic works. Um, a lot of this stuff hit home in the 1200s. You have simultaneously this god that I argue in metaverse that's working itself uh Jacam Deforum. Um, there was a magic moment. Okay, let me just go here and I'll try to tie this together. Don't mind me yapping for a second. One of the critical moments I identify in the metaverse book is the beginning of uh the gospel being spread to the world by Saint Paul. And he begins his journey um at Aragapagus and he identifies the tomb of the unknown. That would become this just like so many times, the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman would be in the same womb, like Rebecca or Eve or something like this. So at this moment, he identifies what you call that. We this is the logos, and it's all things connect from there, and he puts it in the face, the incarnation on it. And for some people, it's like boom, and that would become the birthing of the Neoplatonic, it'd be the baptism of these Greek transient ideas that the church would baptize them, and it would begin Neoplatonism, the good kind that would be. Exactly. The other direction would be the left-hand path that would take Neoplatonism into the mystery schools and so forth. And the mystery schools are the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They work because this god of forces, what they worship is both good and evil. So their whole belief system breaks what St. Thomas would call the laws of non-contradiction. So you can never call them out. It's infinite, uh, you know, plausible deniability. If you say it's X, it could be Y, it could be both or neither at the same time. That's their belief system. Whatever works to advance their will to power. And um, so that's they work through dialectics. And it's not it, I know when people first hear it, it sounds like Marxist dialectics and kind of complicated, but what you know, one hand controls both, and it's guiding you through history, through a certain direction, and it really gets birthed. So modern, I think Kabbalah to simply keep it real simple. Yeah, Kabbalah is like from the fallen angels, it's the serpent in the garden knew it. It's just simply the way to look at Christ's order of being and turn it upside down to invert it. That's simply what is happening over time. So um that idea comes in with the Sanhedrin, all at the same time, Maimonides, exact same time. If you look at Maimonides, who talks about Noahide laws, almost to a date, it matches the birth and death of uh Jacquem de Forum as if they're you know doppelbangers or something. So something strange is happening at the same time when this dialectic force is going to come into the world, it would become double-entry bookkeeping, and I don't want to take it in a million directions. Um, but it would start controlling the world economy through two different directions. Saint Thomas Aquinas comes about at this exact same time, identifies it, nips it in the bud, creates this law of non-contradiction specifically to address these ideas that are being spread by Jockham and essentially the idea that would become Lutheran Protestantism. He's taking the physical, visible church that has boundaries and essence, and they're making it the age of the father, that would be that church, but we're going to have the age of the son, the age of the Holy Spirit. All the boundaries disappear. This is like Telhard Deshadon. It's just everything's just this blah blah love. And it's really the end of Marxism, the end of this apostasy of uh this Jesuit apostasy is the same thing. It's the it's the direction of the Kabbalah eventually. It's just kind of a unity with the I know this part gets kind of heavy, but it's a unity with this God of this is the singularity, this is the ultimate vision of the metaverse. And I know that part gets a little hard for people to understand. Okay, well, so yeah, Fatima, you want me to bring this home. Fatima identifies, you know, I'm gonna argue that uh the third secret is both uh it's it's uh communism and Zionism, it's the two parts of it. So if they don't like this, they'll give you that. And that's what you know captured people during the Cold War. You don't want to be this we Catholics need to merge on this in this state of exception crisis. So just become just go with this liberalism, just you know, have have bread and wine with the Protestants and their wacky views, and um and here we are. Um, and so really the it really it it it it it finishes with this idea that essentially it's a mark of the beast kind of thing, that the serpent, you are going to have to, are you gonna trade in the image of God for the image of man? And the prototype of this happened, you know, six years ago getting under the skin. And that's really we see that in talking about the hierarchy and how they caved on this and they didn't see it, and why is it important to see this stuff? You know, that was the that was the that rollout should have demonstrated the importance of knowing a little of the basic moves of this kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 54:26

All right. So that's where we're gonna take it over on locals. I want to get into that a little bit because that was uh that was the genesis of my channel. Um was the was was that was the genesis of my channel. So I would I want to go over on to the other side and I want to get into some of the deeper stuff that you talk about over on your locals. Um and I want to get into Kabbalah, I want to get into I want to get into some of the some of the crazier stuff. I want to know uh what Pax Judaica is going to look like because I know you have basically like uh uh Pax Romana, Prax Pax Britannica, and then Pax Judaica. So we're gonna get into those three themes on the other side. If you guys are not locals members, come check us out. Uh before we go, Saints of the Apocalypse, Dr. Haugen's book is the most that's your most recent book, Dr. Deep State on YouTube. Is there anything else you want to promote before we head over?

SPEAKER_02 55:16

No, that's cool. If you want to go to my channel, you can see my locals links over there. So yeah, that's that's my that's pretty much it.

Mark Of The Beast Mechanics

SPEAKER_03 55:24

Yeah, this is uh this is gonna it's gonna get interesting on the other side. So all right, Rob, uh find find something to take us out with, and we'll see you guys over on locals. I want to I want to jump into some of these deeper topics that we've you know, we have to skirt around the the borders on YouTube with the money. So okay, so that's interesting. Now, the the the the the vaccine was what made me start this channel. I started it in my first video was me getting on here and telling people uh I'm get they're telling me if I don't get this shot, I'm going to lose my job. And I don't care if I lose my home, I don't care what I lose, I will never get this shot. And I never even thought to put it together that, like, if the hierarchy had recognized this enmity, they would have never gone for that. But like understanding this issue really is at the heart of it. They'd have seen that that's what was going on there. And and the and it really was a foreshadowing of a future event that's going to come. Like, what do you what do you see the mark of the beast coming down as like do you see it as real ID, digital currency? Like, do you or I would think it's got to be something that's got to go inside of you, right?

SPEAKER_02 57:00

Yeah, ultimately, I think they, you know, as they say, they tell you what they're gonna do, but there's these indications. Um, when you look, you know, I can go a couple different directions because ultimately it is this sort of the book of Daniel talking about the merger of iron and clay. So there's this transhuman cyborg element to it, but on that path of of the flesh, it's a biodigital convergence. And this is literally there, there's rabbis right now talking about this. Oh, yeah, this is, you know, and I'm even going to show some uh this week of rabbis just, yeah, of course, this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna be gods and live forever on earth and in earthly in our earthly Jerusalem. Um, so what uh well, Yuvol Harari and the gang, you can, you know, Klaus Schwab and the whole gang. The trick is what they really want to emphasize is under the skin. And just my, you know, I don't know exactly, but something about under the skin, there's something sacred about that when we puncture our skin to kind of get in there. We do it all the time with doctors. You know, some of you know, people get way too many of these things. Uh, I think that's kind of clear right now if people really look at the you know peer-reviewed uh information about what vaxxers do, not to get lost on that. But um, yeah, you know, it's always it's been debated for centuries the mark on the head or the hand. Um, I believe we have to have free will. They're gonna get under our skin. And I do believe the reason it's kind of like the vax, the mRNA, they said, you know, it's not a vax, it changes you from the inside. So it plays with your molecular structure. Even when the debates were going right from the get-go in the communities I was in there six years ago, is this the mark? Because God essentially makes a compact with man that uh I created you, you fell, but I have a plan for redemption, but it's for a human. And once you start fiddling with God's code, how far do you have to be from that code before you're irredeemable? And that's the question that people should have been wrestling with, because I think that pattern will continue. They're gonna want a monkey. They it's always been the job they have. We can call it the Brotherhood of Death or the Synagogue of Satan. The job they have is to from the French Revolution into really the totalitarian regimes of the 20th century to change the nature of man. That's their goal. They want to be God out to mix you in.

SPEAKER_03 59:30

Um, and yeah, yeah, they want to be God, right? So, um yeah, I I had always saw I always saw the vaccine as I didn't think it was the actual mark of the beast, but I I thought to myself, if I can't stand on this, if I can't put my foot down here, yes, I'll never be able to withstand when the real one comes, right? So it was like so.

SPEAKER_02 59:54

What did you do? Did your job wanted you to take it?

Vaccine Mandates And Priest Exemptions

SPEAKER_03 59:58

Yeah, so they told me I had to get it, or they the only way I could avoid it is if I had a priest right that he sp I couldn't because I couldn't just because Francis was telling everybody to get it, so I couldn't say based on my Catholic principles, I had to get a priest to specifically say he was advising me not to get it, right? So, like uh uh if I was a Protestant, it would have been easier to get this exemption than if I was a Catholic because it was coming from that like Francis and and that stupid um priest, Father uh Matthew Schneider. Yeah, Father Matthew Schneider writing a defense of the vaccines and stuff, like they threw that article at me. Like it was like so. I had to have a priest willing to put his name down, and I wound up getting a priest under Dolan. And Dolan told his priest not to write these exemption letters, and this priest stuck his neck out for me, and he wrote an exemption letter for me saying I I've advised Anthony as a spiritual father not to get this thing, so I was able to put an actual religious conviction down.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:58

I think this the Dolan was on a show last week with uh prayerful pod posse padres, yeah, yeah, it's the SPN type of deal, and it's just uh a friend, a priest friend of mine sent it to me, and they're looking, you know, a week ago what's going on in the world, and they're arguing because some in the hierarchy actually argued that it wasn't a uh uh just war, and they were arguing that it was, and I'm saying, what's going on in your mind that you're seeing a preemptive attack for no reason out of the blue? Like when you're paled up with a genocidal power, like what's going through your mind? Because I know I think some people think he says pretty good conservative things, but yeah, your story that is really sad. That is really sad.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:46

Well, I think I thank God for the priest who who who almost in my mind, he like he was like he put his priesthood on the line for me because he had to put his name on that thing, and and thank god I got the exemption, but it was like I don't know what I would have I would have lost my job if it wasn't for him. So it's I'll always be in and I'll always be grateful to him.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:08

Yeah, I mean, I um I was fortunate, like I teach in Texas, and we didn't have to. There were people in my department, professors, like they were they were so upset with the Texas administration, they wanted to, they wanted to have forced vax. Some people were masked with the like plastic shield to classes, and uh, you know, I just kept my head down, and um I was prepared to take a bullet instead of taking it. I mean, that's just my frame of mind because I was seeing some people like there's that monk in Italy that's you know, get out the body bags on the other side. He was getting people really nice up. I didn't know if there's gonna be you know mass deaths, but I just knew that this is how about how about you, Rob? Were you you weren't with Anthony at that time?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:53

Uh no, no, this was before the before well, like in Anthony before you joined in. Yeah, um luckily my employer uh wasn't requiring it.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:05

Um you kind of didn't want to take it anyway.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:09

Oh no, I knew I definitely was not not ever.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:12

So you knew enough about or you were cautious enough not to I I wonder what the people who got it were watching at that time because I'm like, it's like you had to be so I don't know. My red flags went off immediately. Where I was just like, something is off, just the way they're pushing it and the way they want us to get. I was like, I don't even know, like I wasn't even some somebody who's like, oh, they're trying to kill us all or anything. I just knew this thing they are demanding we take, and I don't feel comfortable taking this thing. There is no way I'm taking it.

War Signals And Trump Disillusionment

SPEAKER_02 1:03:43

Well, and we know now that you know they're sticking people on ventilators and they know the protocols, they know they're killing people, they know they got paid off for the pharmaceutical companies, that they're paid for every shot. They know it, so they're all in on it. And here's what's revealed by that kind of like the Epstein files, a couple things. We go over a couple series on Fridays last month or so about big lies, like how do you pull it off? And think about that to this day. They know now there it's out there if they look at the peer-reviewed information. They know how many deaths there are, they know how many disease of the disease and mayhem this has caused. They know it for a fact, but who speaks out to this day? And it's worldwide, everybody's six feet apart, put on the mask, all fake. That was already known in the peer-reviewed that this doesn't do anything, the mask. Even Fauci said it at one point. So we see how you can contain the consciousness of a world operation enough to get most of them to follow the leader, to trust the science. And from that, now some people snapped out of it, you know. And the reason we think about this, right, because the numbers aren't good for wanting to go into a meat grinder right now, um, over in the Straits of Hermuz, one event, and you know, people are people get herted and by the energy. Because I think part of Pax Britannica is to have uh America isolated from the rest of the world. I think that's part of the strategy that of why it seems so crazy what's going on in the world. So, Anthony, you were talking about um like right away with Trump, like the first people he brings, you know. First of all, uh, you know, we're gonna change the name of the Gulf, we're gonna go after Green, this is the first week, right? He brings out the tech bros, we're gonna reintroduce mRNA technology, we're gonna hook it up with the Nero lace. Yeah, that was like right away he started saying that first week. And it's like, because before that, Protestants, I know, Catholics, just uh, you know, a lot of priests and pastors were telling their congregate. Now I don't want to tell you who to vote for, just vote for policy, which was code word that if you vote for this, you can trust, you know, they'll limit abortions and all that. Immediately, he's got a completely he did a lot of that's a completely different agenda. And I'm saying Within you said within a couple weeks, you're saying this isn't adding up, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:04

With that within a couple of weeks, like he takes office and he starts putting those executive orders out. And I'm like, All right, some of these are good, and then all of a sudden it came it was the budget passing. Uh, and when they and it's like we're we're learning all the money that's going into USAID, and they're like, We're stopping this. And it you would think they would cut that money off, but they didn't. They just switched the money over to the State Department, they passed the same exact budget, and I saw the fiscal clip we were heading towards. It was like he brought Elon in for Doge to try and save some money, and then all of a sudden, they don't save anything, they they just transfer that money over to the State Department, they keep doing exactly what they're doing, and it just like hit me. And I said, And there's a show that that I that we did around that time, it was like February, and I said, We are heading to war. This man is taking us to the bat about before Trump's presidency put him in the first time to do COVID, they put him in the second time to go to Iran, and and it's going to be against Hillary, not too hard.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:03

They put him against, I mean, what a clown show against Kamala.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:06

Like, I mean, tell me that wasn't just part of like the the whole the whole thing with him losing that second election, uh like having them steal it, and then him having the comeback, like the whole thing was just just seemed so scripted to me. Like, oh, the you know, he's down, and then he comes back, and there's an assassination attempt, and the whole thing just seemed like theater to me. And then I'm saying we're the whole world will be at war before the end of Trump's presidency because we are marching towards the Battle of Armageddon right now. The I see, I see Israel sees Trump as their last chance shot at getting these things done, and they're going to go balls out with him in there to get their way. And Trump seems to just do anything they say. There's no there's no restraint on them whatsoever. Uh, and I just I don't know. When I look at Luke, and Luke's talking of uh in Luke, he talks about Israel will be trodden underfoot by the Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled. I look at everything that's going on in the church, and I'm just like, I don't have a timeline for it, but it looks like we are hurtling towards Armageddon right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:11

Um, well, you know, they're telling the troops, you know, and if this is God's timeline or they're just playing with God's timeline, we don't exactly know, but I'll ask both of you like the question that I'm doing again, like this false messianism. Like, it's like, especially among Catholics that are still stuck in the Trump thing. I'm assuming you too, Rob, have pulled out a little bit from it.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:33

I don't think Rob was ever really in it. I was never really in. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:36

Well what do you see? What would you think, Rob? What would you think, Anthony? Um, what is it? And I know everybody's got a friend or relative, and they can't pull themselves off away from Fox News as a Catholic, when we should at some point saying, you know, we know we don't believe in Zionism, but yet we can't help but kind of grow. Why does what's so hard right now, knowing everything we know, why are some Catholics just not gonna let go of it? Why is you we call it a mind virus, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:05

Because they're the Holocaust, yeah. They they have framed any they have framed any opposition to Israel as as like bigotry. So like especially with like the older generation, like for younger guys, it's a lot easier because that narrative doesn't have such a hold on them. But the the older the older generation who sat through Sophie's choice, who sat through Schindler's list, who's whose parents fought in a war, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:32

They've made an idol out of uh they've made an idol out of Americanism.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:36

Absolutely. Well, look at that. They can't accept that their parents went over to Europe and and fought a war that really ended up working against our interests, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:47

Like, yeah, but but also look that led to some of the confrontations we had with Nick Nick Um Cavazos on our channel because Nick was so heavy MAGA, and I I just couldn't do it anymore. So it was like I was like, all right, Nick, why don't you take a little step back from this? And now Nick's doing a political show, and it's like uh, you know, I I love Nick, but I just I couldn't get through to him in any way any meaningful way, and it just seemed like it wasn't it wasn't a good mix for us to be together anymore because of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:16

Yeah, um, yeah, I think it's important. I mean, this is an opportunity for Catholics to um make a stand. Um, and you know, there's that carry person, and you know what I mean, it's out there for a reason, whatever we make of this. But um, yeah, to make a stand uh at this moment about what we believe in and the way we spread the gospel at this point is when you say something you're willing to truly die for, I think people are gonna either really grab onto it or go, okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:54

Um okay, if you you we're on locals, uh if you want to get provocative, well, real quick before you before you do that, like um the you were saying, like, what is the way like I am not a fan of how this whole conversation is being couched in Zionism and Gaza and religious freedom. Like, I'm really not a fan of how that we're we're it's almost like those are the boundaries we're allowed to speak about this in. I much prefer discussing it from a theological perspective where we're talking about the enmity from the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman. Like, I think that is such a more powerful tool.

Why Some Catholics Cannot Let Go

SPEAKER_02 1:11:31

Yeah, you're hitting it, you're hitting it. A couple things, somebody said, like, um, Father Isaac said, you know, I like what she did, but she's all messed up about this uh, you know, religious freedom. Because maybe she's you know, people are she's on all these shows and she doesn't get the basics of indifferentism leads to relativism, you know, and and uh subjectivism, as Father Fahy would say. So it's really important to get that at this point when all the wheels are falling off of this stuff. Um, you mentioned that this is the hardest thing for people to talk about, and I'll give E. Michael Jones some credit. I was just listening to him on Alex today. I disagreed his take on what's going on. In a few spots, but he repeated again. He even made reference to John Mersheimer against it's not the Jews. And he goes, What are you talking about? And here's he says a category thing, and I'll agree with him on this. Um, no, the Jews, as scripture and tradition, doesn't mean all Jews. Get that through your head. We're talking about it metaphysically, typologically, theologically, when we say that. And so that's the problem with Zionism. Because when you look at the Jewish question, what they're doing now, built you know, subverting others wherever they go in all times. That's what it the Jewish question is, as identified by the church. You can look at how hardcore some of this stuff is, especially the French, every place, all the time. It's in it's what they do, okay? I'm saying it in love, you know, but it's what they that's the Jewish question. It's it went on, you know, the Zionism comes about late 19th, 20th century. What's going on? That's just a tool, it's an arm, and according to their belief system, it will disappear. It's just a tool that's used. So when people, because even uh Jewish influencers that are calling out Gaza, everybody it's comfortable right now for some just to name Zionism because it sounds like you're not talking about the Jews. Unfortunately, that's not accurate theologically, and that's where people don't want to conversation because it is the Jews, they're attached to something in opposition to the incarnation of Jesus Christ, the heavenly Messiah. And even if they're atheists or if you're part of that group mindly, you're part of the construction, whether you're Christian or Jewish or whatever. But yeah, that's important to get that typology right, and that's why Christ gave us the synagogue of Satan, those that say they are Jews but are not. Who are they? We are. We're the we're Catholics, we're true Jews. They're taking our, you know, our inheritance that are trying to swap from us. And this is we have to stand up for that. You know, we are the Jews. Um, okay, yes. So I I agree with what you're saying, and that's the hardest topic to address. Yeah, I don't know if she did that by design or who she is.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:16

I just think she's a new comfort, and she has she's not nearly educated enough to be speaking publicly on this. I also don't think a woman should be the one speaking on this, and it's like I just got a bad taste in my mouth from her immediately, just in her whole presentation, the loud, obnoxious way she went about it, all of it.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:33

I wasn't fans of, yeah, and Candace does a bit of that too.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:37

Yeah, I agree. It's the same thing. The the the look, the the the thing I will say is the they're they're showing their hand by calling it Zionism, though, which I I have a I have liked poking at that, that the whole idea of calling it Zionism is because of the promises given to David on Zion. So it's easy to point out look, they are looking for a fulfillment of these prophecies that were given to David within with the with the with the Antichrist, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:05

Like they're they're not like that's the vision that they have, these visions of Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Daniel, all fulfilled in the heavenly messiah, they're putting them down and projecting them and making them happen through their will. And yeah, Zionism's just a tool, it was a fake thing, just we want to secure homeland, but it's not, it's a program for world domination under the system of antichrist. And yeah, it matters. Michael Jones is right, you got to get these categories right to really help preserve our faith and what we have. Um, but there it is tricky to talk about. It really is.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:42

I watched Eric Sammons today do a show on it.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:44

I saw the thumbnail, I couldn't go there.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:53

I'll say Netanyahu is evil. It's like, no, dude, like you're missing the whole point of this right now. Like, I get really frustrated with him. I'm like, dude, what are you even talking about?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:02

Yeah, once you get it, it's frustrating because yeah, he's like he'll talk about the state of Israel and the government of Israel.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:08

It's like you're missing something so important here. And it's not, and it and it's like you you it's frustrating because you don't want it to sound like you're some crazy Jew hater. It's not what it's about. It's like you need to see what this is, this is something so much deeper.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:26

I think when people can see that with the saints, that was kind of the idea that this not was just something they happened to talk about or some opinion they had. This is essential in the construction of I'll call it Christian Empire, which is a universal form, it's a legit Christ made in an empire. All the other empires are empires of man outside of Catholic Empire. So I agree with you 100%. And these, and it's but you know, I really I saw you, and to a lesser extent, you, Rob, you know, after you know, maybe especially six months ago, but but a year or two ago with Father Maudsley, it really shook you up there, Anthony. I could tell that you were you knew that you needed to kind of start wrestling with push the boundaries a little bit in that direction.

Online Revisionism And Censorship Loops

SPEAKER_03 1:17:12

Yeah, it was it was hard to come there, it was hard to get there. Look, Maudsley was doing doing the the Holocaust and he was denying the Holocaust. And I'm like, whoa, what are we doing here? And then all of a sudden I'm like, oh no, like we like if this is a lie, like holy crap, what it'll okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:30

Okay, that's what I was gonna do. I was gonna go there because that is the you know, that was the linchpin that allowed Vatican II to happen, although I think they would have figured it out eventually. It was a linchpin, and I I think I tuned in to a couple minutes of you and him talking the other day, you and Rob and him, and he kind of said, I regret all the or you know, I'm just done with all this stuff. What we did that was really because we just kind of take the moon. Did we happen? And I'm surprised in my community, everybody's like gung-ho, yeah, that's my community's like almost ahead of me. Part of our mission statement is is this speculation? Where is this in probability? Where's the evidence? We don't just sit there and it's all fake and gay. We don't do that, so we kind of measured and we communicate with each other. I said, just you know, so okay, the Holocaust. How I approach that, we did it about six weeks ago, and I took Ron Uns, you know, and he's a Jewish entrepreneur, politician from California, has the uns review, and I found something from 2019 that you can listen to. So if anybody wants, it's a little tricky to find, but you can find it on the UNS review. You'll know you have it right because it's gonna have it's kind of blue and white, and it has uh this is uh you're you're gonna be arrested in all these countries if you talk about this. And that's if you got that thumbnail, I think it's two and a half or three hours. I was going up to if anybody's heard of uh talk about pelican, I was going up to Sanctus Ranch in Texas, that's where the pelican person is. Okay, I'm not gonna go there, but I kind of got some insight on what's going on there. Anyway, yeah, we have a little insight, we have a little insight, but um, I listened to this because I'd kind of heard bits and parts and I, you know, but he systematically, as a Jew, went through this in 2019. All his journey into looking at, first of all, all the evidence, all the fakery, everything. There's no way, unless you just don't want to know it. If you're open to knowing it, listen to that. I think it's two and a half or three hours. You will have zero doubt in your mind. So, like what it took uh probably 20 hours of presentation for Father Modsley, probably a hundred hours of he just that two and a half hours, and you'll see it. And yes, I you will be arrested for talking about that in a lot of countries, but just think about that. Um, you know it's got to be true because it's illegal to talk about.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:53

Just why would why would you get arrested for talking about it if some you know it's like the well with the moon landing to me, I because I see I see the connection to the moon landing as being connected to evolution, I see it being connected to uh so it's like and life can evolve here, it can evolve on other on other planets.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:14

It's it's it's the heliocentrism is an an evolutionary expanding uh solar system, so it needed to be established before Darwin could come into the picture. And I'm just gonna say this if anybody's wondering my positions, because some people it's been popped up. I'm a hardcore like uh Robertson Janis, I'm a hardcore geocentrist person, and I'm just agnostic. I don't like to go into the shape and I could talk about that, you know. I don't think we want to go there right now, um, because I believe it's a mystery as the passion of the church. There is no actual forensic evidence. We can put numbers, uh uh, and but there is no picture. And I think God just like the passion of the church, it forces our humility. We'd thrive and thirst for certainty. Um, but you know, that's part of we need to suffer with that. It's a materialist if it's not bringing you closer to Christ, let it right.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:12

So, so so the the moon landing to me is about a materialist mindset, right? And like the the heavenly bodies have meaning, right? So Christ in Matt and Matt and Matthew, he talks about uh you will sit on heavenly thrones, uh judging the 12 tribes and and naturalizing the heavens, exactly, exactly, right? So all the ancient world would look at the moon, and the moon had meaning, and it had to do with with revelation, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:21:37

It has to do with our pagan thought in spiritual terms, yeah. So different layers of truth, you know, God revealed different layers of truth to pagan communities.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:45

As soon as you start talking about landing landing man on the moon, you take the meaning away from what these heavenly bodies are, and all of a sudden, oh, we could go colonize here, we could colonize here. And it's about it's about just putting everybody in a materialist mindset to get yourself away from thinking until recently.

Moon Landing Doubts And Materialism

SPEAKER_02 1:22:00

Every scientist, every physicist would would tell us, say it's impossible to go to Mars. It would be like uh the moon times uh 500, you know, realistically, and now suddenly, you know, Elon can just go, yeah, colonize Mars. And again, it's like COVID. Where is the opposition to this among the physicists saying this is insane? Just like this is this is Kabbalah. If you can if you can convince people in the mind, you've made it real. This is the semelacrum of the world they're they're they're building from. Um but yeah, I think it's for people um that are kind of intrigued by this, just to see how easy it is to pull off a big lie, because the Mark of the Beast system is a big spectacle, it's a big delusion preparing us for the ultimate big lie. Um and so they've been priming us through concession of this, concession of that, concession of us. So I'm all about finding base reality, and that is the traditional Catholic social order and all of the categories of thought. Because when we know that a lot of stuff like just even saying the moon, just because you know, people get excited about the science, um, you can just start questioning at that level at least.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:24

Um, and you know, when the textbook said the Bible seriously said that this is the center of God's creation, yeah, and have the you know the the fortitude if somebody's to be laughed at by somebody that you know, well, you know, nobody at the university teaches that to say, well, but that's what that's what even even um like mainstream Catholicism has like conceded so much to the science realm, and it's like they it's like they don't well, we want to be taken seriously by these retarded ideas for you, Catholics. Catholic answers and all of them, right? So so as soon as you start saying things like I don't like if you ever watch a documentary on evolution and how they just like start making things up, like it's the dumbest, it's the dumbest story you'll ever think documentary on it.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:16

I used to believe it because I used to teach it. I mean, not in a political sense, I'd teach it and in you know, I was a I was a doctor and taught like uh five years at Brooklyn College, three yeah, you know, Wagner College in Staten Island. Yes, yeah, I taught there as a professor for three years and I taught it, and then I had some downtime when I was converted. I I'll tell you a quick story. Oh, I thought we were just talking, we're on local. Yeah, just talk, whatever. We don't have to stay on time.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:42

It doesn't have to stay.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:43

We're just talking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So something happened to me in my conversion. We're out skiing in the Berkshires. I'm with my Long Island brother-in-laws, and I had a massive, massive, massive conversion. And I remember driving back to uh Vermont at that time, and I was out of school. I was in between, as I said, between jobs, and it just hit me. I mean, I had a massive, massive conversion, and my sins came out, and I was bawling, and I was driving hung over back to Vermont the next day, and it just hit me before without looking at any information. I just said, abortion's wrong. How did I? And I just thought about you know, things uh like that and what we're just talking about, and I just said, like, Darwin, like that doesn't make sense. It was one of the first things I wanted to look into, and you just see there's zero evidence that one thing he can zero evidence, and yet it's the foundation of the university system. Talk about a big lie. It's the dumbest creation myth people are gonna think you're some you know crazy evangelical on a folding chair in the basement of some church or something. It's just the dumbest creation myth in the history of mankind, like every creation myth has been more interesting than this one, exactly that, and you know, and now there's people like Hugh Owens that gives you a safety net to kind of think about that for Catholics, and that's really good because if you got that, you can start having a confidence to uh, you know, you can kind of start getting a BS meter going for some of the mock them.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:13

Like, I don't need to know the science to know how ridiculous that story is. You know, something came from nothing, and then everything evolves from a single cell that like it's so dumb, like it's just dumb. I don't know, and God gave us a creation story. Why why pay attention to the atheist creation story? It's stupid.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:32

You know, it's so funny, like something uh Hugh Owens pointed out in the book of Peter, Second Peter. There's gonna become a day when people are gonna assume what how the world works times now is how it's always worked, and I mean that can only get through revelation. In other words, people are gonna think that the flood is a myth, and they're not gonna understand that the conditions, time the earth, and carbon dating, it's all gonna be messed up once you omit that trend that's really a few.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:02

Right? So the so the flood happens, so they're saying, Oh, we're digging in the layers here. You're not taking into account that the entire world was flooded. So, like, how can you say that these layers because they assume that time that that okay? So, the the in their worldview, it's like the earth has been around for millions of years, and every year you get this layer of dirt that builds up over millions of years, and you it's like, but what about cataclysmic this cataclysmic event that shifts everything around? And you can't possibly say that.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:30

And then you once you have eyes to look at this kind of information, and you there's a couple of people associated with you know, you see these dinosaurs that all died at the same time, and their bones are going through multiple uh segments that should be thousands of years. And you once you see that, um, and it's important to prepare ourselves for those thoughts, especially the things that are just you know, so much of modernism, which is a synthesis of all airs, is anchored. Into this uh evolution narrative.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:03

So how does how because my wife, I'm just I'm always interested in how the spouse handles this stuff because you're coming around on all these things. Like, what's your wife's reaction to this stuff?

Darwin Debates And Modernist Drift

SPEAKER_02 1:28:15

Um, well, you know, sometimes I mentioned that once on locals, and somebody said, you know, that's not Catholic, because I was just kind of kidding around with her. Uh, my wife's Italian, and her all my in-laws are Italian. It my so the the three wives and the mother all mock the three guys, they think we're crazy, although they now it's begrudging, they know there's something there, but they don't want to explore it. They used to just call us crazy, you know, just mock us all the time. But uh, the three guys, you know, we saw this and we would talk about it and all this stuff. My wife, oh gosh, okay, I'll just tell you, she's never watched a Dr. Deep State video. At least if she has, she's never admitted it.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:55

Well, it's funny because my wife never watched our show ever, like for years she didn't watch it, and then in the past year or so, she my my wife's conversion, like, she had like a very deep conversion, and now she's like watching every episode. She's super realistic in this. I can't. It's weird because I used to be able to like make little jokes about her. I can't say anything about her anymore because she's watching. Does she even watch the locals? No, I don't, I'm not giving her ever giving her a locals password. No way. I mean, I need some space. I thought you made me give her a free membership. I know I don't think I ever gave it to her. I never set her up. She she last episode we have with uh Maudsley. She she was she was mad, but uh my wife knows about it.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:35

It's because uh her sister, uh, do you know? Well, I'm sure you know in Long Island, uh St. Michael the Archangel Angel, or Saint Saint that's the SSPX. So they go to that, they go there and she she watches it. And if she sees something funny, she'll tell my wife.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:50

Yeah, it's like uh it's it's been really awesome to watch her come around on some some of the stuff, especially like she she's very engaged in stuff now. It's it's but she used to not pay attention to politics at all, and I really liked that. And now she's starting to pay attention, and it's like I don't I don't want her to have worry of all this stuff on her on her heart, like because she's worried now about something like stop worrying, just go back to not even paying attention to your wife does have a free membership, by the way.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:19

Oh, just generally she knows how to use that that used to that used to uh kind of bother me that she didn't that world, and then I I I remember hearing one of your shows way back when that you said, Oh, it's actually a good thing. It is uh you kind of want to come home and just having a normie at home is kind of nice, actually. It's nice, a lot of people appreciate that.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:41

Yeah, because well, look, we do, especially if you have a show, right? And you have other people to talk about this stuff with, like you know, I it's I don't know, women don't handle these conversations the same way men do. Most of them, I mean, there's always going to be a few women who are who are up for a conversation like this, but for the most part, this is like we're getting into some heavy, heavy stuff here, right? And it's a it's a lot, it's a big burden for a mother, especially. You know, she's got kids, she doesn't she doesn't need to be worried about you know the Jews taking over the world and the antichrist and stuff. It's like just just go practice your prayer and read do your spiritual reading, you'll be okay.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:16

Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm glad you're reading the book, Anthony. I'm glad you're liking it. Did you get to the chapter on Saint John Christostom? I so I'm I'll tell you exactly where I'm at. Um there's a journal article that calls him the architect of the holocaust. He's like especially high on their hit list.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:36

Um I'll tell you where I'm at.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:38

Uh just look it up. Saint St. John Christostom, architect of the Holocaust. And these are movers and shakers. If you if you put the you you don't have to have any evidence, you put this stuff and you're gonna be in a journal.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:51

I uh well, I just went through like a whole bunch of quotes that you had put up uh from the from different saints. So I mean I don't know, I don't know where where that is, but like yeah, I just read you you're constantly quoting.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:03

Oh, that list, I think that is in the St. John Christostom chapter.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:06

Yeah, so I might be in that chapter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It opens up with that list.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:11

Architect of anti-Semitism. I'm seeing a few articles online about them.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:16

Yeah, and so what's weaved in? I didn't say that over on YouTube. What's we oh, I think I did what's weaved in there is this attack. This is what the saints are telling us how to deal with these attacks because they dealt with them. Yeah, um, you know, and I keep forgetting I'm on local, so I'm thinking I'm just talking to you guys. Um, yeah, you know, I hope, you know, I was really prepared to not to do whatever. Like I said, I would have taken a bullet, I didn't know what's going down with that shot. But you know, um over the last couple of years, I got a mortgage, I got 10-year. Um, I'm looking three years for the most fabulous retirement program you can imagine. So, you know, you get soft again, you really do.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:58

It's just like really I was just saying, I was like, I'm the same thing. I'm like, I'm like five years away from retirement, and I could get out and I could probably sell my house on Long Island, go somewhere now. I'm like, come on, push this stuff off a decade. Like, give me a decade before this confrontation comes because things are going really good in life right now. I don't I don't want this crap happening. It's like hear that everyone you got five more years until Anthony does daily videos. The uh, but no, we were we were talking with um with with Maudsley about um uh uh what wait I just lost my train of thought. Yeah, the completely lost my train of thought. Oh, with their with their lust for because I was like, um, I was like, you know, they did a good job of hiding it for a while. He goes, No, they didn't, they're retarded, they're evil and retarded, evil retards, they're evil retards, they didn't have enough power yet. Because as soon as they get the power, they just cannot help themselves. And he pointed out something, he's like, Look, they knew if they if they crucify Christ on the holy day, like on Good Friday, they knew the Passover is there, they knew it would put the people into a tumult, but they just as soon as Judas comes to them and and and makes a deal with them, they're like, Let's do it, let's do it, let's do it. They do it in the middle of the night, and they and they like they just can't help themselves. So, and it and it because like especially one of the other things you're dealing with with Catholics right now is them thinking Islam is the most evil religion in the world, and it's like we do have to worry about Islam, don't get me wrong, I'm not naive to that, but did like did they kill God? I don't they're don't say they're the most evil religion in the world, like Sharia law any moment.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:40

Forget about the fact that just yesterday Georgia put another uh Noahide law into their education system.

SPEAKER_03 1:34:46

Yeah, let's talk about that.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:48

So, what what what are the Noahide laws that that that um I just want to back up and say something that you just said, and I'll get to Noahide. Um, right before that, you were saying you said Islam, and do you remember what you said just before that?

SPEAKER_03 1:35:00

I uh look because people want to act like all these religions that are not Christian, like that, like Islam is the most evil religion in the world, but really.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:08

Yeah, no, I just yeah, the world is really lost. But there's a lot of you know, I I I have a good friend John Carter, and he does my show on Fridays. Um, big rancher in Texas, rancher in Brazil, and you know, former hardcore military commander. It's really important for people like them to come out of the Americanism, get hardcore Catholic. Um, and um he traces like a lot because he's a big wig and he gets invited to Chatham House and all these international organizations. So he's been to a lot, and there are a lot of like this Grace Force Catholic, Catholic for Catholics, they're really getting funded by the synagogue, and they really he he's been to these meetings, they have these counterpoints. Don't talk about the JQ, go heavy on Islam. So we're being programmed to think through this and get this bug of Americanism. And I that's just what I'm about. Really dime in the desert, get away from this rubbish. All the donors, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:04

They invited me down to Florida to go speak at one of these things recently, and I went down there hoping that somebody down there would see the value in what uh what we're doing over here, right? And they like all of those donors, they put their money behind people who will trash the Pope. Like, they don't they if you could trash the Pope and the hierarchy, they'll put their money behind that. If you could talk about it, II again, they want to rehash Vatican II, that's all they want to do, but they don't want to talk about and and I don't even mean like uh I mean like getting to the heart of this issue, they just don't want to go near it. And I don't know if it's because they're boomers and they're and they're just older and they're afraid of this subject.

Noahide Laws And Religious Limits

SPEAKER_02 1:36:40

I don't know what it is, but it's it's you know, like one of my locals said it's just that they don't love truth. I how else are you gonna say that? Yeah, and it's true, you know, it's easy to pick up your cross and follow Christ and all the things that you think are comfortable, but in the way that he went toe-to-toe with the Pharisees, are you willing to do that? Do you love Christ? Do you love the truth? Um, so you said that, yeah, that was good. Um, you know, that is part of their program, right? To have Islam be the broom of Christianity. And this World War III, it's not just Albert Pike, right? There's multiple major Chinese, Russian communists that said the first world war will accomplish this, the second world war, and the third one is going to be connected with the platform for the Mashiach, the Antichrist. And who it seems like they're trying to do the timing, right? If you know the famous thing with Bibi and uh Rebbe Schneerson, you know, get moving, get moving, accelerate, accelerate the contradictions, and that means throwing it in your face, because if you don't call them back psychologically, you are uh well, you're you're gonna give all you're gonna give it over to a patha a pathology of uh uh aboule, uh amnesia, and apathy. So it weakens you and your resolve to defend Christ. And they do crazy stories. The stories get crazier, like uh you know, preemptive attacks with no good explanation, lone gut things, like anybody should see, yeah, that's not what a 30-odd six looks like, you know, and just go is a lone nuts again that they they want it to look fake because you're so nuts. Part of the program, um, they get less and less fake. Our uh justification for preemptive war gets just weaker and deliberately confusing because you get sucked into their pathology. Um, so yeah, part of the program that you go and wreak havoc on their countries, and then you say we're gonna do the Patriot Act against them, but it switches around and you're the terrorists, and we got open borders bringing them into Europe, and that's part of the program, and that's part of the miscegenation and all of this stuff. It's part of the program, it just is, you know, and I can show you piles of evidence for this. So that's part of the program. And who knows, Christ might touch their hearts someday and convert the Muslims as well. We don't know, but I think to your point, yes. So that's part of this program of killing Christian civilization in the heart of Christianity in Europe, and Noahide laws are a real thing, and it is part of it will be done in conjunction with the mark of the beast. So you can call yourself Christian as long as you're going to be kosher. That's what the purification is that Jules Isaac was talking about in prayer. You got to know a nostrilate, and I think Father Modsley brought this up on your show. They wanted to introduce Tikun alone into that document. And they just said, no, that's too far. Which is which Pope Leo quoted. Tikum alan is the rebuilding, and part of this rebuilding, you know, is war and destruction to get us there. It's the big change agent. But yeah, uh, so Noah Hide Laws, I'm sure everybody's heard about it. I started, I was talking about nine years ago, and people just it was nutty a year ago. Yeah, but um it's pop popped up now a lot. But um, yeah, in short, they're gonna make Christians kosher. So you can call yourself whatever, but Christ can't be divine, and you basically have to accept a slave status because that's the new kingdom. Each person, you can say 1200 slaves, some people say 1800, some people say 400. So they actually want you to call yourself some kind of Christian that has no essence or no strength, and it'll be part of even the humiliation process of dragging you around, calling you a defanged Christian. So they really do want these people. And so when we see the hate speech legislation that wants to extricate parts of the gospel and essential core, and it's there, like people are pretending like this isn't going on, and they're pretending like the bombings in Gaza and Lebanon and Syria are not going on, they're burning down Argentina and moving in, they're moving into Ukraine, and uh they're they they shut down the Holy Sepulchre, they're burning the last remnants, they're Christian, they're criminalizing Christianity. And we have this bishop, whatever his name is, Michael Matt highlighted him. The big problem in the world today is anti-Semitism. It's like, are you crazy? I don't hear anybody talking about anybody with any power in the world talking about it.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:22

Zero. It's so crazy because because the Catholic Church always kept them in check, right? The Catholic Church always was the the the institution that kept them in check from getting too much power to be able to do this stuff, and the Catholic Church has been neutered, like it's just been neutered at this point, and they're they have free reign. And even when the Pope speaks out on this stuff, he's like, Oh, you know, uh God doesn't answer the prayers of those who wage war. It's a it's just kind of like a liberal platitude, he's not confronting the the issue that we're dealing with here, so it's yeah, and I think some of the deflections are the things I'm gonna become a bad person, I'll lose friends.

SPEAKER_02 1:42:03

And if truth makes you lose friends, I don't know what to tell you, but there is this idea that it could be monocausal. That's for people that don't address it at all. And there's another idea for heard you say that'll become all that you talk about. But there is a happy middle ground that I think you two are navigating that address it and get on and talk about other things, but it is the lock that unlocks every other lock. It's the linchpin for all the affairs going on in the world. It's the best example is I think you're kind of even hinting at this. So, you know, other like life site and people will come out because it gets clicks, Catholics versus Freemasons. Meaningless. It's like having an eyeball on your thumbnail. It's really meaningless because Freemasonry, you can believe anything in the world, you know, but you have to believe something, but it's controlled by Bonnet Briff. So there's your exceptionalism. Only people that call themselves Jews but are not are running the whole thing. And if you can't identify that, you're creating spectacle. You're just going after clicks and doing that. If you can don't address it at all if you're just going for clicks and if you're not connecting the dots between the construction of Antichrist and their agenda, are you going to stand up for Christ when the rubber hits the road? I just talked about like the devils I have to deal with. I'm getting all comfortable here in my new crib, right? You know, it's like finally at some point in my life, you know, it's like, wow. Um, you know, it may be easier six years ago when my cons my situation, but we have to prepare ourselves as Christians. When you open the show, Anthony, like I'm on fire right now, because you realize um, like what is illegal to talk about? That will be a preview of what they will, you know, snee just to be all dramatic and you know, uh, you know, uh dready here. They're building right now those, they're building out those things in Guantanamo Bay and they're preparing them. I mean, I it could take years, it's like the FEMA camps, it could take years, but they're building those out, and that means regular citizens, for whatever reason, are going to be um presented in front of a Jag court, no due process. And we've been dumbed down through Trump. Everything he says mocks the constitution, all these executive orders, you know, these uh unjust wars and all this stuff. And if you're still on the Trump train, I mean, God bless. And yeah, what you let's go back full square. When the Pope said, if you love, you know, your mother, your tea, if you really love, if you're a real Christian, you'll take the shot. That's just you know, what do we do with this? And it comes back to this film right now, these people that the Eucharist is just a symbol, and that's what it means. And if you put your whole life and you're a monk and you suffered, and you're a leader right there, and so they get you through obedience, and that was the plan of the synagogue. They said that we're gonna get them through obedience. So we all have to struggle, you know, obedience to the hierarchy versus obedience to what's always been true. And like a lot of this, at a very individual level, we have to wrestle with this. Um, and I tend to take your position, Anthony. We have different people on my locals community, and you, Rob, I I kind of heard you guys talk about I'm I'm in the church, I deal with it, and um, you know, I want to suffer with the church. That's where I'm at. If suddenly, you know, they were implementing something like Eucharist is just a symbol. Um, it's a different story. We'll go we'll go from there. I at that point, you know, okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:34

Yeah, we'll go from we'll go from there, we'll take it as it comes.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:37

I'm just that you know that that comes.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:40

Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't um like I said, if the if I saw there were sets out there using their real name talking about the stuff we are, I might have a different impression of them. But they're all they're all anonymous, and the ones that are showing their face aren't talking about this, they're talking about Leo. And it's like, I don't really care about that stuff. Like, I want to see the people look, I'm uh like even Vegano, Vegano doesn't even talk about that's I I I ruffle people's feathers.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:10

He's still stuck in this. If uh let's say he's legit, he's still stuck in this Trump delusion where he's gonna think how insane this was. Trump's the restrainer. Instead of there's good and evil being the people that are incorporated in the church versus people that aren't, it's the people of light and the people of darkness are Fauci, and George Soros is still repeating this given everything, given the genocide, everything that's going on. He's the forces of evil, the Faucies, the George Soros, the Democrats. What good are you if you can't tell you the enemy at this point with this unveiling of events, it's being unveiled. Where do you stand giving this?

SPEAKER_03 1:46:48

I I think that um I think that that's why, yeah. No, I'm not, and I'm not gonna start playing around with uh, you know, somebody's questionable orders and things like that. Like, I don't know. I I just I I trust God will put it on my heart if it ever comes to that. It's just I'm not there, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:03

And yeah, I mean, other people, you know, Martin Luther thought he was following his consciousness in X, Y, and Z, but I have to say that following my consciousness, you know, about the shot about coming into the Catholic Church, I followed. I wanted truth and when you know all this stuff, most people that know all this stuff, like truthers, if they are like quote unquote Christians, they almost never go to church, maybe some of them, because they're all so they they put it inside themselves because they're operating at this plane, they know every um they define good and evil, and the church is none of them cut it, they're all you know 503 or 503c, you know, governments, and and I knew scripture, you know, don't forsake the assembly. This can't be real. I have to have a church, and you know, I had to knock and suffer with that. I hated the Catholic Church. I my wife and I would trade off, you know, Luther to this and that. I hated it, but once I got the light, I went on and clicked everything I needed to know. I saw the paradigm, even the new order mass, I saw with new eyes, and it's like I want this. This is true, and so that's a humbling experience. You think you know everything, I'm a doctor, you know, and it's like, no, the most important thing I had wrong. This is Christ's church, it's hard to see right now, but Christ allowed me to see it, and that there are some communities of Catholics, hopefully they're growing, that can see the big lies and just can still navigate within the mystery of what is the church.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:35

Yeah, it's uh it it is it is tricky. We're we're in one of the most difficult periods in church history, and and you're you wrote the book Saints of the Apocalypse. Like the the Saints, um like especially the early Saints, when they talked about our time, if our time is the end times, they talked about just how they could never have withstood the temptations that will be thrown at people in our age because there'll just be temptations everywhere. But it's if you if you do unplug from some of the stuff and you do just you know, just just live the calling God has put you in. You know, if you're a husband, be a good husband and father. And yeah, I I think that's just the way forward for us. And uh, you know, the church, the church is I think they'll there may come a point where just like in the apocalypse it says, Come out of her, my people, so you don't partake in her blasphemies, it may come to that.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:29

Yeah, I don't I don't I don't I don't think I'm there yet, but yeah, no, and it's important to and I've heard you say this before too. You have to do your duty for your in your station at life, and don't be afraid to enjoy life and to embrace the true, the good, and the beautiful. And within all of this, in the age of suffering, there are moments anything's possible, and there is a lot of doom, and doom scrolling is part of the program, and so we all have to be watchful of this kind of stuff. And I do have a channel, I do have a Chapter on St. Athanasius. And some people, you know, have comparisons, and it's a strong comparison. I take kind of that how he navigated that, you know, obedience to consciousness in the film I just watched today, Catholic. Somebody, you know, the new authority wants to abandon the traditional mass. And he said, I made a vow to our blessed mother. You just see he had to decide in that moment. Are you going to crumble? Or and it's heart rendering. Yeah. If you put your whole life and you truly believe it, and then you're just going to bow to this. It's and this is where we're at. You know, this is where we're at. We have to be prepared to suffer. But that doesn't mean that there's not just all kinds of joys that also go along with life. So, and that's what I'm exploring right now is just the art of suffering um in the church. And remaining joyful through, yeah, remaining joyful through that. You have to have a good time. You have to have a good time.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:58

Yeah, yeah, remaining joyful through no matter what comes our way is it's like the true mark of a Christian that you could still remain joyful through some of the you know the hardships that come your way in life.

SPEAKER_02 1:51:12

People have to see a light inside of you, and you spread it through that light, and that light expresses it sometimes. It's like, wake up, you know, it can might do a little bit, but it you have to have a spirit of love and charity, and that vibe is what speaks to people, telling your story in love. Some people will grab it and some people won't. But in this time, I think you know, uh, scripture says God will put, you know, when you're tested, uh, first of all, God will put the words that you need into your mouth. And second, there's going to be great opportunities to spread. And as Catholic, sometimes, you know, if we're always debating about this nuance, there's a lot of people that are just in darkness. My brother-in-law Chris, like when we were doing it, he was Catholic. And you know, at this magic moment, he said to me, We were talking about the deepest, darkest stuff. We'd had a bunch of we're on skis. He's a pro-skier, I'm not. He's just going, he just says to me, Become a Christian. He skis off. And I'm standing after all this, we're talking about UFO, there's any crazy thing you can talk about. And I look into the sunlight, and he didn't say become a Catholic, he said become a Christian. And it just struck my heart. And I looked up, and for the first time, just the vertical opened up. And my whole vision, I saw that I could see, you know, the the metaphysics of our reality just opened up for me. I had to go and capture them, but it was just, and I always thought about that. You know, if you would have said, Well, uh, you have to become a traditional Catholic, I would have not had that effect. Yeah, it would have been over your head.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:52

These kind of remember the the light shines brightest, the light shines brightest in the darkness, and people are in a dark place right now. Like the world is is really in shambles right now. And I think a lot of people, somebody uh, somebody posed, I think it was one of the Protestant girls on Twitter or something. She was like, I see a lot of people saying that they're coming to come, they're becoming Catholic because of their because of the Jews. That's not a good reason to become Catholic. And I'm like, no, it's actually kind of reasonable to see the evil and go, I'm gonna reconsider the claims of Christ because I see the enmity that these people have for Christians. Like, I think that's a personal perfectly reasonable reaction to it because I think a lot of people are being drawn to the church right now because of world events. So the light does shine brightest in the darkness, and especially during COVID, I had so many people ask questions about the faith during COVID because everything seemed to everyone seemed to be losing their minds. The trans movement was another one. People were seeing their they're teaching their kids to cut their genitals off, and it's like if you don't teach your kids something, they're gonna fall for anything. It was a great way to evangelize people.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:01

Yeah, yeah, that was part of the psyop to it's so extreme on the one side, and you know, um, that's what I came to see, and you know, that's part of Candace's story is that you start to realize that bullseye is the synagogue against the Catholic Church. And once you see that, um I want to be where the bullseye is, right? I really do, because the bullseye is Christ Church, Christ started a visible church, and when we see that, then we can shoot for base reality, and that is just that because yeah, I it's just I have come, I'm gonna be Catholic four years, you know, this week, right now, and uh and uh it's just an it was pretty crazy. Four years Catholic, and you jumped right in moment because I I was open up to all the thoughts, but it's put together coherently in the church, and it's I've I I mean I'm just gung-ho Catholic. I love it. Yeah, um, even with all of this, because outside the church, it's just confusion.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:09

Uh people are asking, what are your hot takes on AI?

AI Metaverse And Pax Judaica

SPEAKER_02 1:55:14

Well, I'm doing uh I'm putting together some stuff for a presentation tomorrow. Um, it's it's the culmination of the what there's uh a rabbi called Joel Vaskin, and I even talk about him in the Singularity book. And he's got this thought from Kabbalah called the techno serpent, which is a central feature of the Mashiach. So this is central. And one of the parts you were talking about the mark of the beast, these rabbis and they have YouTube channels. You can just look at them. That's crazy. They they're serious. Oh, we're gonna get a chip in our brain, like they want it. Um, so yeah, AI is a full spectrum surveillance system for their Noahide laws, but it's also going to be part of, you know, essentially through human bodies, AI, and they talk about this. Isn't me speculating. AI is building this, but the bricks are your body. You're gonna be part of kind of this uh demonic uh uh beehive.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:14

Um it's like the it's the it's it's the bot mystical body of the antichrist, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:56:19

That's where the body of the antichrist they did. It's everything, just think of a black mass. This is they invert everything. Just think about it in mass, in mega historical terms. It's just turning out uh the Catholic social order.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:35

Go back to Ephesians and read Paul. And what does Paul talk about? Paul talks about a temple growing and a body being built, and he's talking about the body of Christ. He talks about he's like the temple is growing. It's like, wait, temples are built and bodies grow, but he's talking about the temple growing and the body being built, and he's talking about the mystical body of Christ growing and being built at once, and they're trying to do the inverse of that.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:58

Exactly. And one of the features of the mRNA was that the tracking system comes back to a universal code and it happens to be operating out of Tel Aviv, and that's part of back Pax Judaica, so they they have to crush America, that will rise. China doesn't even want the job of hegemon, they're bringing it over, and that'll be the center of the surveillance system, it'll be the center of the Jewish utopia, Pax Britannica, uh, sorry, Pax Judaica.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:26

So they're leveling Gaza for a reason, right? They're gonna rebuild it as their smart city and it's yeah, and a lot of space for AI data centers.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:35

Yeah, there's a lot of controlled demolition. I don't know all the parts, but I'm hooking up the control demolition with the AI program tomorrow, bringing in some of the current things I've been hearing um from the rabbis in their own tongue, pulling in these parts of the Kabbalah project. Um, and uh, and I'm and and I'm doing that in controlled a lot of these things that seem to be demolished were slated for demolition, and they already had blueprints for what and the blueprints are really gonna create this new system centered out of Jerusalem. It's it's like, and again, the cool part is as I'm sure you're thinking to yourself, Anthony, and maybe Rob too, is like it's just verifies scripture, yeah. It just it's the fact that it can only work by literally turning this is in simple terms, it's all Kabbalah is it's a meta historical alchemy to turn the Catholic Empire inside out into the empire of the into the mystical body of antichrist, and they're literally doing it, so they're rewarded. You know, human sacrifices are real that you know, World War I, World War II, that was required to get closer to their world order. And once you once you get these basic moves, as you're probably you like you said, Anthony, it all becomes pretty simple to see that everything's just another part of the basic playbook there.

SPEAKER_03 1:58:58

It should increase your faith because it would what should what most Catholics are seeing is the most confusing time in the church, and they're saying, like, how could this happen to Christ's church? And we because it I you you find this with people who hyperfixate on church councils and things like that, and it's like if you see it through this lens, all this stuff kind of makes sense. You see why why they're falling for this, and what and it just it's like, well, this is how the story plays out. We're just gonna we're in it's we're witnessing salvation history taking place, we're witnessing the fulfillment of Christ's prophecies, all of those things are happening in our lifetime, so it should increase your faith, it shouldn't lead you to lead the church, it shouldn't lead you to doubt your faith. All of the things we're talking about should lead your heart to be more confirmed that you're in the right place.

SPEAKER_02 1:59:48

Yeah, and I'm sure you all and everybody out here in locals, I'm sure people have experienced this. Like if you have Catholic media, you wake up in the morning and you get all the thumbnails, and there's always like these two thumbnails from one uh content producer, and it's you know, guess what wacky thing this bishop said. You know, and talk about doom scrolling, you know. And I I do it's like, come on, like it's I I barely click on those because nothing shocks you in that sense. Um, like it's just a little bit more of the same. So I mean, I don't kind of bite at that too much, uh, you know, occasionally I mean, I yeah, it's like you gotta you gotta know what's going on, right?

SPEAKER_03 2:00:25

So you gotta you gotta you gotta know what's going on, but I I don't know, the negative news loop is just too much for me sometimes.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:32

And the tricky part of that, because some of the people that talk about this are also pretty gung-ho still with Trump in some cases, yeah. And um Anthony Stein.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:43

And yeah, Anthony Stein's a is he still? Oh, yeah. I I fight with him all the time about this. I thought I'm like, Trump's the forerunner of the Antichrist. I don't know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:55

Well, he's a member of Chabad. This is the tip of the spears, Chabad. He's a Chabad agent, he just is. He's he initiated his daughter, his daughter married into it. You that's how they work. If your daughter married into it, you're into it. You're not yeah, you're beyond reading the script. You know, you're literally he wasn't duped into anything, anyway. Yeah, so with that kind of stuff, I uh to some extent, because we don't know exactly. Like, I mean, if the valid, which I tend to think, you know, in the novice order are valid, and I go to both. Um, you ask about my wife, she's not down with uh, you know, I have to go by myself over there to the trad thing. Um, it's like you're constantly punching on the mystical body of Christ when you do that. We need to be informed, but to some extent, it's like, you know, it's also a little bit when it's uh uh every day.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:47

I won't take a part, I won't take part in it because I sit look, you're you're talking about like you see the Protestants going after the Pope. You say like what you're doing is you're adding to it's it's it's it's kind of it's you're yelling crucify him.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:02

It's it's feed for the spectacle, and we all give over to it. You know, I yeah, I try to put up, I do, you know, I lately I found AI thumbnails, and you know, I you know, we're all got to be kind of mindful of uh, you know, if it bleeds, it leads.

SPEAKER_03 2:02:18

Yeah, it's a it's a tricky thing we do here, right? Like you have to do uh you have to try to be relevant so people still want to watch, but you don't want to feed into too much negativity. It's it's a tricky thing.

SPEAKER_02 2:02:31

It's a balancing act, it is, and you all are doing you all uh are my gosh. The last time I checked, you guys were like 50 something thousand. I went in there, you guys are 70 freaking thousand. Wow, yeah, tomorrow. I think the reason I think is because you guys are earnestly trying to approach truth, and sometimes I kind of I I poke to get a little attention out there, and I'll go, is good, you know, it's a Catholic media spectacle. Um, to the extent that we deal with this, some people um, and I give Michael Matt some credit. I know people kind of didn't like the whole zip it comment and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:10

I don't mind that, I don't like his support of Lila Rose.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:13

Oh, I saw a little bit of that. Some of it can be fun, though. You know, I don't know. Like uh nobody put me on the chair of Moses over here, so what do I you know, what do I know?

SPEAKER_01 2:03:24

But um uh yeah, yeah, it's fun.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:28

We gotta have the trad the trad the trad media world is funny. Like that. I don't know, nobody ever embraced us, like it's just we're just out here on an island by ourselves. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 2:03:39

You guys have an amazing chemistry, like what you got going. And I know sometimes Rob's going like, when is he gonna shut up? But it works for you guys. I and I know Anthony didn't repeat what I said to him the other day, but it's a really good formula, you guys.

SPEAKER_03 2:03:55

Yeah, I I think I think that's what makes the the show work, is is the different temperaments that the two of us have. I kind of I kind of knew that right away when I first met Rob. I was like, You need you need like the you need the straight man, you know, you kind of need that balance.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:09

It's a magic formula, it's an age-old formula that it really works well. Rob is the anchor, he really is holding it down.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:18

It's more than just the tech guy.

Closing Plugs And Gratitude

SPEAKER_03 2:04:24

He does chirp in when he does chirp in, he's always got something brilliant to say, and even even his comedic timing sometimes. I'm just like what he just said, you know. So uh man, uh Dr. Hagen, it was awesome getting you on. Man, we'll uh we'll keep this friendship real, man. We'll have you back on soon.

SPEAKER_02 2:04:44

Hey, if someday uh I could uh knock uh mug with you over there at the blue point, that would be a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:52

If you're ever on if you're ever on Long Island, please. I mean, you have my number, so just text me if you're coming in. If it's the summertime, I'll take you and your brother-in-law out on out on the boat. Yeah, he he'd like to meet you.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:02

You guys he he he totally reminds me of you, dude.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:05

Well, we're all the same. Italian Long Islander, of course.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:10

Yeah, um, yeah, so yeah, like I said, he lives in Patchalk, he goes to the SSPX.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:16

If he ever, yeah, if he ever sees me at uh St. Michael, because I go to St. Michael's on occasion. I don't go very often, but I know I do go on occasion. Yeah, so I'm telling to say hello. But uh it was it was very nice meeting you, uh Dr. Haugen, and we'll uh we'll do this again soon, man. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 2:05:31

Rob, I want to say thank you very much for having me on. Anthony, thank you for uh reading the book. I really appreciate that. I hope I hope you uh keep in enjoying the book, and uh it's been fun. Everybody on locals here, thank you for the time that we've had together.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:47

Yeah, and go and go buy his book, Saints of the Apocalypse. Definitely, definitely a very good book. I learned I'm learning a lot as I'm reading through it. Awesome. He's a really good writer, too, man. It's hard. It's hard to find good writers. He keeps you he keeps you engaged the entire time.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:03

My other books are a little stiff and academic. I wanted to prove that I could kind of be a little more fluid.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:10

So well, this was this is very fun, man. Thank you so much for coming on.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:15

Excellent. See you guys.