Protestants Team Up with Kosher Catholics to Attack Scott Hahn (Full LOCALS Show)

A stranger’s “testimony” goes viral because it isn’t really a testimony at all: it’s a husband announcing to the world that his wife “was formerly promiscuous” while he was a virgin. We start there and ask the uncomfortable question modern Christian internet culture avoids: when does public repentance stop being about grace and start becoming performance, bragging, or even temptation for the audience? That single tweet opens a bigger theme about purity culture, scandal, and the way oversharing can train young believers to chase dramatic sin just to get a dramatic conversion story.

Then we shift into a fight that keeps getting framed badly on purpose: Catholic integralism. We react to a clip that calls it “Catholic Sharia,” randomly drags Scott Hahn into the spotlight, and pretends the real issue is Catholics trying to outlaw everyone else. We talk through what integralism actually claims about the relationship between the spiritual and temporal orders, why natural law matters for public arguments, and why so many public “Christian” voices suddenly get squeamish about moral law the moment it costs them something.

From there, the conversation runs straight into the Zionism pressure cooker: the Daily Wire “Catholic convert boom” framing, Gaza, accusations of anti-Semitism, and Bishop Barron’s statement on religious liberty. We explain why undefined buzzwords become a weapon, why criticism of behavior or policy is not the same thing as racial hatred, and why Catholics need clarity instead of PR language.

We close by zooming out to culture and crisis: the film Sinners, the claim that hip-hop and blues can operate like a religion with liturgy and evangelists, and the broader feeling of acceleration through war with Iran, AI-driven warfare, digital currency, and social credit style enforcement. If any of this leaves you discouraged, our bottom line is simple: stay Catholic, pass on the faith, and build a life that can endure what’s coming. Subscribe, share this with a friend, and leave a review with what you think we got right or wrong.

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Transcript

Opening And A Viral Confession

SPEAKER_15 0:13

Dear X. My wife was formerly promiscuous. I was a virgin.

SPEAKER_01 0:25

Daddy, why did you tell everyone that mommy used to be a one day you will understand?

SPEAKER_07 0:36

I made Taffy. I'm glad you made a show. Like like Taffy, my mom watches the show, dude.

SPEAKER_08 0:45

I saw the original. I'm like, oh, can we use?

SPEAKER_07 0:47

I don't know, another word. Okay, well, to give people context who aren't on Twitter all day, um, this guy, like, that's not even an exaggeration. This guy decided he was going to just tell everyone that his wife was promiscuous. Bring bring up the tweet. I sent it to I sent it to Telegram. Um, because we have to, before we get so here's actually before you even bring it up, we're going to do a short segment on here tonight. We're going to discuss uh Eric Metaxas had um uh James Lindsay and John Zmirak on his show, and they were discussing integralism, and they brought up Scott Hahn.

SPEAKER_08 1:27

So we're gonna discuss that, but I have we have a ton of absolutely retarded when it comes to integralism.

SPEAKER_07 1:33

Yeah, we have a um a ton of topics that we want to talk about tonight, but we can't do them on YouTube for copyright reasons and just for subject matter. So we're gonna do a short segment on YouTube tonight, and then we're gonna jump over to locals. We haven't done a good locals in a little while. Uh, Rob was out last week. This is the first time getting us back together in a couple days.

SPEAKER_08 1:52

Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:54

So um, yeah, it'll be a short YouTube, and then we're gonna head over to locals. Saturday, we have Father Maudsley on. Um, and that'll be 8 a.m. That's gonna be on locals only at first.

SPEAKER_08 2:06

And if you guys have never seen a Father Maudsley Holy Week video, they're good.

SPEAKER_07 2:11

Yeah, yeah, very good. So we'll discuss the liturgy, especially before Palm Sunday. You'll want to check that out. So uh locals, if you guys aren't members yet and you go join, you're gonna get a good segment tonight. You'll get a good segment Thursday night, and then Saturday we got Father Maudsley on.

SPEAKER_08 2:25

Um hold on, locals might not be working tonight.

SPEAKER_07 2:29

You're kidding me, we have to have locals.

SPEAKER_08 2:31

Well, uh, so I someone's saying locals isn't coming up due to a cloud flare issue, but it's coming up for me, so I think I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 2:40

That's that person specifically. Yeah, hopefully. Uh let me bring the locals chat up. Uh anyway, so um, all right, so yeah, this guy decides he's going to put this post on. So I want to just discuss purity. I mean, uh uh um what do you what would you even call this? What kind of culture is this in in evangelical world?

SPEAKER_08 3:02

I don't I mean it's it's not purity culture, right? No, it's testimony culture, yeah. Testimonials, they love their testimonies.

SPEAKER_07 3:09

Wait, yeah, I'm seeing I'm seeing host error on locals. When you go to locals, I got I got in fine, but I'm seeing host error. Oh, there it goes. Just re just uh redo the uh thing. Okay, so yeah, this testimonial culture in in evangelicalism is just getting out of hand. Like if you if you're on Twitter or actually you'll see people like that girl Lizzie talking about how she was a former stripper, and it's like they they can't get enough of telling people about their past, and it's not coming off even as like Jesus saved me from this life, it's almost like bragging about their past sins, and it's it's very strange.

SPEAKER_08 3:52

It's um it has a flavor of like antinomialism to it, like to where they this is everybody's having a problem with locals.

SPEAKER_07 4:01

We need locals tonight.

SPEAKER_08 4:03

Oh man, of all because you last Tuesday you didn't go over to locals at all.

SPEAKER_07 4:08

Yeah, I did with Sam Shamoon. Yeah, we did. You no, you did not, man. Yeah, we did like 15 minutes of that. We talked about it.

SPEAKER_08 4:13

Oh, you're right, you're right, it was very short. And then Thursday you didn't go over at all.

SPEAKER_07 4:18

Correct. But this isn't this is locals in general, it's not just our channel not coming up. Locals is down right now.

SPEAKER_08 4:26

Well, you know, they're talking about escalating the war in the Middle East, too. So who knows? Maybe Iran got us.

SPEAKER_07 4:35

Um man, all right. I mean, I guess we're gonna get pinched with a copyright.

SPEAKER_08 4:41

Well, we we have a couple subjects to talk about. Let's just talk about them and then we'll see what's going on.

Why Testimony Culture Feels Off

SPEAKER_07 4:46

Um, all right. All right, if you guys figure that out, I have the I have the tweet. Okay, so pull the tweet up. So this is what this guy does now. And and I have to say, this isn't unique to evangelical culture, it is very prevalent in it, but this is something similar to what Jason Everett used to do with his wife. Like Jason Everett and his wife would get on stage, and Jason Everett would get up and be like, I was a virgin, and I never did anything, and my wife was uh floozy, and it's just bizarre, but at least that was pre-internet. But like this guy comes out and he's like, My wife was formerly promiscuous, I was a virgin. She was then radically born again, committed to church, evangelized constantly, Puritan books in her bedroom, prayer journals, grief over past sexual sin, etc. We got to know each other well for over a year, dated for four months, engaged for two and a half, and and didn't send this. What do you think he even means by that? Like, this is just just dude, these guys all need locals. You don't brag about your past sentence unless you have a locals membership. You got a point. You say too different from what you do on locals. But it's a very small audience, it's not open for the public, it's for like a very small audience. It's uh it's on stuff that I think will like help people, you know. Never mind, I'm on this guy's side now. You weirdos, man. Oh dude, this is crazy, it's freezing my entire computer up. Uh, this is not good. Um, there we go. Um, yeah, it's just really strange, and it's like I see it everywhere. I see it with Chad. Chad's like bragging about his former methodic. There, it's like I I mean there are times when I'm when I'm sure that stuff is helpful for people, right? But I wonder what it does to the younger generation who's raised in a Christian home who does it's almost like they're setting these kids up to think they have to go and commit these horrific sins in order to have a meaningful conversion. It's really strange.

SPEAKER_08 6:54

I yeah, I really don't understand it, other than um, like I said earlier, it seems like antinomial in the in so much as like they don't really believe like a moral law applies to them as long as you know they say their little altar calls and and whatnot.

SPEAKER_07 7:12

Yeah, it's it's what we're watching with Elijah Schaefer right now. Elijah Schaefer goes and does that horrific thing with Sarasak, and he comes up and he's like, I'm orthodox now, guys. I apologize. I said sorry to God, that's all that's required of me. It's like this really strange thing where people think they can commit these really public heinous acts and then just oh I I resent it.

SPEAKER_08 7:32

They what what it is is it's they're taking advantage of whatever little remnants of a Christian Christian culture we have to use conversion as a get-out of jail free card.

SPEAKER_07 7:45

Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's no different, like to me, Elijah Schaefer is no different than Nala Ray, and Nala Ray appalled all of us, right? Like she went from being an OnlyFans girl to then jumping on and actually selling selling like uh a biblical ministry or something, and that's basically what Elijah.

SPEAKER_08 8:02

I think Elijah Schaefer's words, he destroyed the family he was given responsibility for.

SPEAKER_07 8:07

Yeah, his own and and another one. And that's true, too. Yeah, he destroyed two marriages.

SPEAKER_08 8:13

No, Dalla probably destroyed plenty too, but in a less direct sort of way, I would say.

SPEAKER_07 8:19

Yeah. Um, so yeah, Taffy, you kind of derailed us uh this episode. I'm hoping, all right. So, what everybody's saying is if you have the locals app, the locals app works, but it's not working on people's laptops. Um, so if you are a locals member, just go to the app and the app is working fine.

SPEAKER_08 8:38

It's working on my laptop, but yeah, weird.

SPEAKER_07 8:44

Yeah, all right, either way. All right, so so I came across this show the other day. Actually, uh it was mentioned on when I had um uh uh what's his name on Catholic Esquire on. He had mentioned the show to me and I was like, I'll go check it out. Play the shorter clip. Uh, I put like a 35-second clip in there. Let's play that real quick.

SPEAKER_08 9:04

So okay, that is the one you just sent me.

SPEAKER_07 9:07

Yeah, the one I just sent in. Let's play that one first, and then you probably got to download the other one because it's a pretty long one. I don't think we'll get through that whole clip, but this just stood out to me. It was really strange.

SPEAKER_08 9:16

So, who's the guy on the right?

SPEAKER_07 9:18

So the guy on the right is John Zmirak. Now, John Zmirak, uh he's he used to be pretty well known in like the church militant circles and stuff. He was he's a writer. Um he's Catholic. He is Catholic, yeah. And he it it's I'm telling you, man, like we started talking about this when we saw the um the Phylos Project or the Phylos Project coming out. Like me and you kind of just saw that. We're like, this is weird, man. Like, there's gonna be some kind of divide coming forward in the church. And this is the this is where people are, these are the fault lines. You saw today, Daily Wire put out an article saying there's uh something about Catholic converts, right?

SPEAKER_08 10:00

Well, like, yeah, there's mass new converts to the Catholic Church, but they they said like, but here's what's weird about it, or something like that.

SPEAKER_07 10:08

Um, I should try to find that. Uh we should try to find that because take a look here real quick. Um because somebody posted, I'm sorry, guys, just give us a second. This is stuff I probably should have lined up before we started. I didn't know this is exactly where we're gonna go. Well, Rob, why don't we play the clip while you're looking for it? Okay.

SPEAKER_08 10:34

Okay, here's a clip.

SPEAKER_03 10:36

We can keep a moral society without getting into religious civil war. And there are signs of religious civil war out there. Uh, on the one hand, these Catholic integralists, one of them is Scott Hahn, this very popular Catholic, uh, popular theologian, uh Adrian Vermule, a professor at Harvard, Patrick Denine, a professor at Notre Dame. They want the government to back the one true religion. And and some of them want to outlaw Protestant churches.

SPEAKER_02 11:05

Okay, and I just want to say what we're talking about is fundamentally un-American. Yes, ladies and gentlemen.

SPEAKER_07 11:13

So, okay, so just think about what he's saying there. Like, of all the of all the dividing lines, to pick Scott Hahn as the dividing line is a very strange thing, right? Like, yeah, um I'm I'm telling you guys, I think I think some people are more wise to this than that than people realize. Like, um when I tell you that Scott Hahn is the one who sent me down this path of constantly talking about the older brother stuff, that is where I started going down this road.

SPEAKER_08 11:44

I I think he gets mentioned more often than you would think by the other side, because those on the other side that know him know what he probably thinks privately, right?

Locals Problems And Tonight’s Plan

SPEAKER_07 11:54

But Han is Han was like Catholic royalty in in Normi Catholic world. It's so strange to me. I I can't even fathom like the guy doesn't say anything publicly. It's it's really strange. So bring if you bring up a feels like your antithesis, yeah. Like I say everything. Scott Hahn is so guarded, he doesn't really say anything. But I think that I mean, it could you never know because people don't like to say our names, but it could have been we kind of let people onto it with our Gavin Ashenden Scott Hahn stream.

SPEAKER_08 12:28

I think more people came across that than we realized, where we were because when it comes to that with that clip I took from it and put it on uh Twitter that everyone uh screenshot it and didn't link to me.

SPEAKER_07 12:40

Yeah, yeah, I got a few hundred thousand views. And I think I think that that show kind of went bigger than we uh than we expected, and people are picking up because this issue they're gonna frame it like it's about Catholic integralism, but it's not really, it's about Zionism, it's about support for Israel. And it it's the same thing with the Daily Wire issue, it's the same reason Daily Wire is bringing Matt Frat over there. So we'll play the longer clip and we'll get into it, and they kind of explain it a little bit deeper, but it is just bizarre to me how Scott Hahn is the guy's name, the guy whose name because he because they're talking about Nick Fuentes in this clip, they're talking about all these controversial figures, and then Zmirak throws in Scott Hahn in there. It was really odd to me.

SPEAKER_08 13:24

Here's the uh Daily Wire article from today.

SPEAKER_07 13:28

Okay, so uh the Catholic convert boom is real, but a troubling pattern is emerging. Now, somebody sent me like a segment of that article. Um that's what I was hoping to find. Um we play this clip, I'll listen and I'll see if I can find that.

SPEAKER_08 13:50

You wanted me to find something someone sent you.

SPEAKER_07 13:53

No, no, no, no, no, no. I wanted you to find that, but there's somebody sent me like a screenshot of because you got it's behind a paywall. Yeah, that's behind a paywall.

SPEAKER_08 14:02

So I think it's funny that Metaxis in that clip has uh well, I suppose it's his own book on Bonhoeff on his desk. Like the the dude's yeah, dude wrote a book about like a non-trinitarian heretic, and here he is telling us what real Christianity is.

Integralism Misread Through Scott Hahn

SPEAKER_07 14:19

Are you yeah, it's uh Metaxis is one of the worst, but it's and he was on the show with him. He was uh like like that's what I mean by like the Daily Wire is platforming a lot of these guys, and they're and they're just trying to push this Catholicism through. Am I freezing?

SPEAKER_08 14:37

Is Anthony's audio going weird for everyone? Yeah, your internet seems iffy for me.

SPEAKER_07 14:48

I'm thinking that might be I don't know if it's the internet or if it's my locals.

SPEAKER_08 14:52

Well, close out locals, you don't need it right now.

SPEAKER_07 14:55

I'm trying. Oh, there it goes. Okay. Okay, yeah. All right, let's play this clip and let's see if uh maybe I can find that thing.

SPEAKER_08 15:03

Hold on, what what clip now?

SPEAKER_07 15:05

The longer clip would Zmirak.

SPEAKER_08 15:10

Is it from a few days ago at this point?

SPEAKER_07 15:12

Yeah, I think it was yesterday I popped it in. There's like a five-minute long clip.

SPEAKER_11 15:21

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_07 15:28

Yeah, when you sometimes when we put videos in like a while ago, they have to be like re-downloaded.

SPEAKER_08 15:33

There we go.

SPEAKER_02 15:37

Catholic integralism. You are a Catholic. Tell us what it is.

SPEAKER_03 15:41

Sure. Um, I first identified this back in 2013, and I wrote an article called Wait, pause it for one second, Rob.

SPEAKER_07 15:48

What you're gonna see here is Zmirak, the Catholic, give a horrible explanation for what Catholic integralism is, and then James Lindsay give an accurate description of what it is, which is really bizarre.

SPEAKER_03 16:00

Catholicism, illiberal Catholicism. You can look it up. I warned everything that's happening now with the division between Catholics and Protestants, with the hostility towards Israel and the conspiratorial madness, uh, the splintering of the pro-life movement and the pro-family movement. I warned about all of it back in 2013 in this article, illiberal Catholicism. Illiberal Catholicism. I can make otherwise known as Catholicism.

SPEAKER_06 16:33

It's nuts.

SPEAKER_03 16:34

The integralist movement, pretty simple. It's Catholic Sharia. That's it. Catholic Sharia.

SPEAKER_07 16:41

Now, let's unput that somebody's saying they look the same. Dude, that's not even an exaggeration. They literally look like the same person. It's strange.

SPEAKER_11 16:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 16:52

Like they look like the same person with one with less hair and a little older.

SPEAKER_03 16:59

For for decades, the pro-life, pro-family movement has been ecumenical. Catholics, Protestants, some Orthodox Jews. I remember being with Operation Rescue. Um, what we basically agreed on was the American founding did not establish one given church, but it did propose to base our positive laws on natural law. Natural law is the truths, the moral truths that we can know by reason alone. A lot of it's echoed in the Bible. Most of the Ten Commandments are natural law. Natural law is something that you can be known by reason alone. Abortion is wrong, same-sex marriage is wrong. There are two sexes, just count them two. Uh, children should obey their parents.

SPEAKER_07 17:55

You sound a pretty Catholic Sharia to me too, though. But but not even that. It's this is like such a a neocon, like older MAGA mindset where it's like, as long as you say there's two genders, we're good. It's like they just it's like the lowest bar imaginable. It's like, okay, I'm pro-life, and there's two genders, and that's all they really care about. Everything else is like don't send women to prison for abortion, though. That's too far. Yeah, that's too far. We don't, we wouldn't, we wouldn't want to punish a murderer for their crime. But this is it's funny, but and wait until Lindsay gets into it because Lindsay actually describes accurately what Catholic integralism actually is.

SPEAKER_03 18:38

All the basic principles. Thomas Aquinas wrote that all positive law should be based on natural law. Martin Luther King made this same argument. The Nuremberg trials were based on the principle that just because Germany passed a law saying Jews didn't get citizenship and inter and marriage between Jews and Gentiles was wrong, those laws were null and void because they violated natural law. The law God wrote on the human.

SPEAKER_08 19:06

Martin Luther King participated in rape of women, so I don't know if he knew much about the natural law, man.

SPEAKER_03 19:11

Human heart, which St. Paul said he put there so that the Gentiles would be without excuse. The pro-life movement, the pro-family movement, the marriage movement was all based on natural law. And Catholics, we kind of pioneered most of the natural law arguments. Gradually, evangelicals started to follow us, and instead of quoting the Bible to make a point, they would quote, they would make natural law arguments from reason alone. What the what the Catholic integralists want to do, they want to base positive laws on dogma, on divine revelation, on statements by the Pope. Imagine that we want laws based on divine law.

SPEAKER_08 19:55

That's just crazy.

SPEAKER_07 19:56

Like, do you hear this guy's Catholic? No, not really. This, but that you know what I mean. Like, but that's yes, you're a hundred percent right. He's not really Catholic. Like the this he could be a bishop, he'd be a great bishop. Yes, exactly. He'd be a great Novizor bishop. This is something that when you especially when you read the early church, what you see is um you you get Catholics into positions of government, and that's how you start forming the the proper order of the state, is where you get Catholics into positions of authority in the government and they act on Catholic principles.

SPEAKER_08 20:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 20:34

And he and he's saying he doesn't want like these guys, man. I'll tell you, I like I used to not get the religious liberty argument from the SSPX because I was looking at it from an American perspective, and I was like, I was like, well, no, you you know, you kind of got to have religious liberty because we as Catholics want to be left to to to worship as Catholics. But what really happened is it took the church putting that out for the borders to be opened worldwide. Like the like the almost like the Western nations couldn't do it until the church gave permission. They're like, so like so the church goes, so goes the world. As the church goes, so goes the world. That's kind of what happened, where the church puts out this statement on religious liberty, and that all of a sudden gives permission for these these uh uh the unification of synagogue and state to then open the borders and just pour in Muslims. What's crazy is the same people who told you to let Muslims pour into your country are now trying to convince us that Muslims can't coexist in a Christian nation in Western Western society. It's really these these are the guys who are telling you about religious liberty and ecumenism, are all of a sudden going to flip it on you and tell you, no, no, no, but what about Islam? It's like this is the problem with religious liberty. It's one thing when you're talking about a couple of different Protestant sects and you're like, all right, yeah, separation of church and state, but all of a sudden you let Muslims and Hindus and Indians in, and it's a disaster.

SPEAKER_08 22:01

You gotta read this one.

SPEAKER_07 22:02

I might have to reconsider my kosher hot dog business for some reason, and very popular with the target audience. Um, I want to get into Lindsay, Lindsay, because he actually describes it properly.

SPEAKER_08 22:13

I don't know if I was gonna say, I I don't even know where uh this guy's going at this point.

SPEAKER_07 22:18

Yeah, he's he's just totally upset that Catholics are Catholic.

SPEAKER_03 22:25

The Pope interpreting the Bible. That is crossing the line. That is creating the kind of system the that the Puritans fled England to get away from. That's creating that's Americanism.

SPEAKER_08 22:37

He is so stupid. The Puritans fled England to get away from Anglicanism.

SPEAKER_07 22:43

Anglicans, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 22:46

Plus, I'm Catholic. What do I care why the Puritans did anything?

SPEAKER_07 22:50

These I'm telling you, man. This is well, he's look, he's on a Protestant show and he's trying to kiss up to the Protestant, and and it's just but all of this has to do with Zion. This is just has to do with Zionism, dude. This doesn't have to do with anything else. You just always when when these guys are talking, just understand that all this is about is Israel. It's the same thing with James Lindsay and his woke right nonsense, just has to do with support for Israel. That's all this comes down to.

SPEAKER_08 23:16

Yeah, this guy got his history from that uh Timu Chinese professor that that guy, they're just they're just forcing him down everyone's freaking throat. Which is funny because all he did he just has a bachelor's bachelor's degree in English. That's all.

SPEAKER_07 23:27

He's just a conspiracy theorist who wants to start his own religion at this point. That's what the guy said. So, all right, let's finish this up.

Natural Law Versus Dogma Politics

SPEAKER_03 23:41

The church they can't ever help but tell on themselves, can they? Yeah, said religious liberty is fundamentally a human right. That religious liberty is part of the natural law. No, it's not that laws impinging on people's religious freedom are actually sinful in themselves. No, this was a big admission for the church because the early church supported religious liberty right up until after Constantine converted the Roman Empire to humanity. Horrible, horrible history.

SPEAKER_07 24:17

Religious liberty in that you can't force conversions, maybe like you can't you can't force baptize people, like people have to come to God freely. It really is funny. They all tell them themselves.

SPEAKER_08 24:29

This screed by him should just destroy any credibility he has in the Catholic Church. It really should. What an what a total imbecile.

SPEAKER_03 24:39

Oh my gosh. His successor, Theodosius, went a step further and banned pagan religion and punished Jews and made Catholicism mandatory.

SPEAKER_02 24:53

Okay, just to be clear, so people are tracking, the word for what we're talking about, essentially, ladies and gentlemen, is theocracy. No theocracy these people don't even know what a theocracy is.

SPEAKER_07 25:05

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_02 25:06

Theocracy is rule by priest. Means that you uh and this is what the the the secular been a Catholic theocracy, by the way.

SPEAKER_07 25:17

No, never ever has there been a Catholic theocracy.

SPEAKER_08 25:20

Well the Papal States would technically be okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 25:24

You're right. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 25:24

Sorry, yes, right, because it is the Pope having temporal rule. But that's correct. But that's it.

SPEAKER_07 25:30

But I but what I meant was like in Europe, those were never theocracies. No, those those were like the the secular being subordinate to the religious. That's all that was. It was that you know in a in a proper setup, the secular is subordinate to the religious, and the secular owes like fealty to Christ the king. That's all that's all the Catholic principle is, is that it doesn't matter like where what country you're in or what who what what kind of government you have, every ruler owes fealty to Christ the king, right?

SPEAKER_08 26:04

And should model laws after divine and natural law, so on and so forth, but that it is their prerogative, their sphere of influence, the the the secular life is their sphere of correct, you know, power, yeah, not not the church's sphere of sphere of power.

SPEAKER_07 26:21

Yeah. All right, let's let's finish this out. I can't believe we made it this far. What I can't believe we made it this far. This is hard to say. I have to get to James Lindsay because I it's crazy how much better he is at explaining this.

SPEAKER_08 26:35

Look at the phase of Mataxis right there.

SPEAKER_02 26:38

Of that, oh, you you want to impose your beliefs on others, and those of us who are Christians say, No, we don't want to impose our beliefs on what we do.

SPEAKER_07 26:50

We do. This is this is something like what is it with Christians and being afraid to say no? We want to impose our morality in our law. Every single law is a moral code, yeah. If you if you have a law against theft, it's a moral code. We absolutely want to impose our morality in law. I don't get how people don't understand this. There's nothing wrong. We don't want to impose, no, we don't want to force you to be Catholic. We're not gonna force you to convert and become Catholic, but you will live by the moral code of the Catholic Church because the Catholic Church is just describing what actual morality is.

SPEAKER_08 27:25

And they're lying, anyways. They do they they do want to impose their moral code on us, they want to impose Zionism upon us.

SPEAKER_07 27:32

Yes, they don't want us to impose ours on them, is what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 27:37

Uh, in religious liberty, we believe I believe what I believe is true, but it doesn't mean that I want to impose it. There's certain things I can impose. Murder is wrong. That's not I'm not gonna ask you your opinion on that, but there are many other things that we have to be um liberal about in the best sense.

SPEAKER_03 27:55

The way to draw the line, can you make the arguments for this based on natural law, based on reason? You can prove that slavery is wrong based on natural law. You can prove that men and women are only eligible for marriage to each other based on natural law. You can quote the Bible if you want to, but you're not going to persuade non-believers. So, what you need to do is make these arguments based on human nature, human flourishing. These are the ways we can keep a moral society without getting into religious civil war.

SPEAKER_08 28:25

Human flourishing. That's that's that that's the exact line that that uh that gay Israeli um uh Harari uses in all of his books.

SPEAKER_07 28:37

Human flourishing. That's all he's he's using this crazy language because I hope I even recorded Lindsay's explanation. I'm certainly I'm not sure I did. So I mean Lindsay is sitting there like adult right now, but what he I we'll finish it out. I'll if he didn't, I'll explain what he says.

SPEAKER_03 28:55

Okay, and there are signs of religious civil war out there. Uh, on the one hand, these Catholic integralists, one of them is Scott Hahn, this very popular Catholic, uh popular theologian. Uh Adrian Vermule, a professor at Harvard, Patrick Denine, a professor at Notre Dame. They want the government to back the one true religion, and and some of them want to outlaw Protestant churches.

SPEAKER_07 29:20

Okay, and so all right, so Lindsay ends up getting it, which I didn't even cut the clip, and I don't even care to hear about it.

SPEAKER_08 29:25

I'm glad we watched five and a half minutes reading.

SPEAKER_07 29:26

I thought he was gonna get to it. He ends up going, well, no, actually, that's not what integralism is. Integralism is actually that the temporal is subordinate to the spiritual, which that's what integralism is, right? It's like the temporal order needs to be subordinate to the spiritual, which is basically the order of Christendom. So the temporal order of of the king, they like they couldn't just make laws that were contrary to divine law. You can't, like, and and the way the the way Zmirak is what a disgrace of a man, and it's crazy that he'll get the backing of these bishops because this all comes down to this whole incident we just saw go down with Carrie Pejan and all this stuff, it's all interconnected. So I guess maybe we should read. Um, well, first off, I just sent you the um the the segment from from the Daily Wire article. So unlike many branches of Christianity, I just sent it.

SPEAKER_11 30:25

Let me blow it on.

SPEAKER_07 30:30

See that little clip right there?

SPEAKER_06 30:31

Yeah, let me pop that up. There we go.

Zionism Pressure On Catholic Converts

SPEAKER_07 30:37

Okay, so unlike many branches of Christianity, the Catholic Church does not demand that the faithful be committed Zionists to receive God's blessing. Many prominent members of the church have spoken out about the pro the plight of civilians in Gaza. It seems recent converts to the faith understand those teachings, but somehow forget that the church also rejects any form of anti-Semitism, condemns hostility towards Jews, and upholds the enduring covenant. No, it no, it doesn't. No, it does not. This is where they're wrong, and upholds the enduring covenant with the Jewish people as God's chosen people. That is a complete lie. The church absolutely does not, even after the council does not do that. They have already become cafeteria Catholics, picking and choosing which parts of the teaching they prefer. The church nowhere calls the Jews the people of God. Nowhere. The church actually in Noshretate specifically says that the church is the people of God. Like it actually does endorse supersessionism in in no shirtate. These people are um look, this whole conversation, even the even with what Carrie Prajon Bowler was doing, though, that's wrong too. This whole thing, anytime you see them framing it under religious liberty, and we're Catholics, we can't be forced to be Zionists. No, that's not anti-Semitism. She's right that that's not anti-Semitism, but but couching this conversation in the Gaza conversation, couching it in will Muslims have religious freedom too. That is not the way to have this conversation. This conversation needs to go very differently than it's being put forward in the public. And even with Bishop Barron's statement and Dolan then today coming out and and endorsing Barron's statement. Look, I have my issues with Carrie Pashaan Bowler. I'm not a fan of hers at all. But in Barron's statement, did I I think I put that in there? Let's bring Barron's statement up. It was probably back a little ways. Oh crap, I've done the wrong one. I got it here. Yeah, I got Barron's statement right here. So over the past several weeks, Carrie Prajon Bowler has complained that she was removed from the Presidential Commission on Religious Liberty because of her Catholic beliefs. And she has called out myself and other Catholic members of the commission for not defending her. This is absurd. Mrs. Prajon Bowler was not dismissed for her religious convictions, but rather for her behavior at a gathering at the commission last month. I mean, I gotta be honest, I'm on his side so far. Up to that point, on a dusty manager. Yeah. Browbeating witnesses, aggressively asserting her point of view, hijacking the meeting for her own political purposes, still on your side, bishop.

SPEAKER_08 33:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 33:21

The Catholic position on matters of Zionism, to which I fully subscribe, is as follows. So this is where it gets problematic. All forms of anti-Semitism are to be unequivocally condemned. What is anti-Semitism?

SPEAKER_08 33:33

And by saying all forms, you're you're automatically saying anything anyone says is anti-Semitism is bad.

SPEAKER_07 33:39

All forms is giving the ADL talking point.

SPEAKER_08 33:42

You should just you should say true anti-Semitism, then give some sort of definition.

SPEAKER_07 33:46

Which is which is hatred of uh people because of their ethnicity, like their their their genetics or something, you know, like you cannot hate a people based on their genetic heritage, like that's racism, and that is wrong. So you can't hate Jews simply because they're just you can't you should.

SPEAKER_08 34:03

I mean, really, you should just all you need to say is Catholics cannot hate other people like that.

SPEAKER_07 34:08

Anyone, but that doesn't, but criticism of Jewish behavior is not anti-Semitism. Correct. I'm sorry, it's just not criticism of Jewishism of their theology is not is not anti-Semitism.

SPEAKER_08 34:20

Criticism of their cultural practices is not anti-Semitism.

SPEAKER_07 34:23

So um the Catholic position, uh all right, so he says all forms of anti-Semitism would be unequivocally condemned. The state of Israel has a right to exist. No, I would argue against that emphatically.

SPEAKER_08 34:34

No state does.

SPEAKER_07 34:37

Yeah, and as a Catholic, I I don't think there's any there's there is no way a Catholic can financially support or give any kind of support to a Jewish state.

SPEAKER_08 34:52

Uh, you know, especially one in the Holy Land.

SPEAKER_07 34:56

In the Holy Land, specifically, yeah. Um, so uh the state of Israel has a right to exist, but the modern nation of Israel does not represent the fulfillment of biblical prophecies, I agree with that, and hence does not stand beyond criticism, but neither do Jews, is the point. Like you could criticize Italians, you could criticize blacks, you can criticize Muslims. You if you can criticize all those people, you can criticize Jews as well. And it does not equal anti-Semitism. Um, if Mrs. Prajon Bowler were dismissed for holding these beliefs, it is difficult to understand why I am still a member of the commission to paint herself as a victim of anti-Catholic prejudice or to claim that her religious liberty has been denied is simply preposterous. Like, I'm not, I'm not, I like I'm not against calling out Carrie Prasan Bowler's behavior. Like the woman is obnoxious, and I am not a fan of obnoxious women. Like, I'm sorry, I'm just I'm not. And the thing is, like I'm not going to change my view on that just because she's saying the thing I like. Like, I just I'm sorry. Like, there's it's the same thing with that guy talking about his wife's promiscuity. Like, there's there's a level of decorum we need to have in public life. She has said multiple times herself, I'm a mom and I'm a wife, I shouldn't be the one having this conversation. She said it, but she insists on continuously doing it.

SPEAKER_08 36:11

And and guys, when you are getting lectured about decorum by us two, yeah, you screwed up.

SPEAKER_07 36:17

Yeah, but I I would say we stay in our lane. That's true. Like, I think we stay in our lane. I I don't think I step outside of my lane. So um, what's going on with locals?

SPEAKER_08 36:29

Well, for I don't know about that yet, but we do need to talk about the people the about our our sponsors. Yes, we do need that, and then we do have this super chat.

SPEAKER_07 36:38

Um, got into some Twitter spats with y'all on my Anon alt. I want to apologize if that woman pursues any legal action. Happy to help pro bono, God bless. Um, I'm interested. I don't know what your I'm in spats all day on Twitter, so I don't know which one it is.

SPEAKER_08 36:53

You're gonna have to be more specific, but we do appreciate it.

SPEAKER_07 36:57

But yeah, we're always open to uh to to making amends. Always, yeah. Um, okay, so sponsors, uh knicknack.com. Knickknacks are amazing. We love knick-nacks. Nicknack.com, uh knick knack is a um nicotine product, and nicotine is an addictive substance. Uh it is not a smoking cessation device, but it has helped me wonderfully get off my smoking habit. Um, we love knick knacks, man. And my wife loves them because I don't leave spitballs all over the house. They're they're very nice to just I I honestly I get them and I break them in half. I don't even put a full one in. Because you don't need a full one. So they last way longer than Zinn does. Um and we'll never go the Alp route. We'll never turn our back on Knickknacks. Knickknacks uh is is the is the is the bomb. We're gonna stick with them. So local's still not working. What are we gonna do about this, Rob? Um, also shop lobster.com. Rob, can we get more lobster?

SPEAKER_08 37:59

I'll ask him. I would like I would like one more order.

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One more shipment of lobster, I would like. Because I think you you said we had one more coming to us.

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Like we uh offer he offered one more, yeah.

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SPEAKER_08 38:29

I'm excited for tomorrow, though.

SPEAKER_07 38:32

Uh, what's tomorrow?

SPEAKER_08 38:33

Meat day.

SPEAKER_07 38:34

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SPEAKER_07 39:12

Yeah, when you weren't on, I just butchered.

SPEAKER_08 39:14

I know I was I'm getting text messages. I'm like, it's right there in locals.

SPEAKER_07 39:21

Rob had to teach me how to find banners. I'm like, I don't know where they are. Where are the banners? He's like, it's up on the right hand side, just look for banners. I was like, oh, okay, that'll work. Um, yeah, dude, I have to work Friday night. They just told me. I have to do a night on Friday night, and we have the mods lead on Saturday. Yeah, I don't know. I might have to just pull an old nighter and run straight through. All right, some people saying the locals app is working.

SPEAKER_08 39:52

Um it's working on my computer just fine.

SPEAKER_07 39:56

Uh we're gonna have people are gonna have to catch the show later. We just have to try it. I I think people like we're streaming to it, so it might be something that's not working at the moment.

SPEAKER_08 40:06

I mean, there's 42, 43 people in it right now watching.

SPEAKER_07 40:11

Yeah, guys, what we have to talk about is way too important to not go over there. Like, we have to go over there. Um, us too, Amy. I will always be a Scott Scott Han defender. Um is tomorrow a holy day? No, tomorrow's not a holy day.

SPEAKER_08 40:27

It's not it's a it's a first class feast, but it's not a holy day.

SPEAKER_07 40:30

But it's not a holy day of obligation.

SPEAKER_08 40:32

But as a first class feat uh feast, I'm eating meat tomorrow.

SPEAKER_07 40:36

And if you can make it to mass, you absolutely should go.

SPEAKER_08 40:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 40:39

But it's not a holy day of obligation.

SPEAKER_08 40:41

Um I think it's not in America. It might be over in England. I'm not sure though.

SPEAKER_07 40:50

Um man, I really hope locals is working because we got some good stuff to do over there, guys. Like some really good stuff to do over there. And we have like last week I didn't do enough for locals, and I really want to do some good stuff for locals this week. We're gonna have to do it, and maybe you guys will have to pick up the stream later because it's streaming there.

SPEAKER_08 41:07

So if you can't get through now, uh Jim is yeah, you guys want to go over because uh one of the guys in there is comparing pictures of me and my new glasses to Michael Moore, so you don't want to miss that.

SPEAKER_07 41:19

Um, but I we have to talk about this movie Sinners. This movie Sinners, um everybody thinks it's just about racism, and it's not. It's one of the most evil movies I've ever seen in its messaging. It is it is about rap as a religion, it is about black music as a religion, it is about uh black people. Uh it's not just about whites, it's about the white religion that we gave them. It's about Christianity and them turning on Christianity. So the whole thing is this warped demonic take on Christianity and white people, and I want to I want to go over there and discuss it. And the clip I want to play, we'll get a copyright if we do it here. Then there's uh also stuff with bad language in it that I want to discuss. Also, we have four spots left on the Italy pilgrimage.

SPEAKER_08 42:12

Oh, you do still have four?

Barron Statement And Defining Anti-Semitism

SPEAKER_07 42:14

I didn't think we did, but we like we're trying to work things out, and it looks like we have four more spots. So if anybody does want to go, there's four spots. Email me at Anthony at avoidingbabylon.com and we'll see if we can squeeze you in. So the the the the main pilgrimage sold out in like two weeks, and we're trying to shift stuff around and see how we can do it. We look like we could fit four more people on it. So if anybody is still interested in going, shoot me an email, Anthony at avoidingbabylon.com. Let's go check out locals, Rob. Let's go see what we could do over there because I can't bring it up on my own, but we want to.

SPEAKER_08 42:47

Let's see. What what what what do we want to play as an outro? This is a good one. It's a little long, but it will be worth it.

SPEAKER_04 43:17

Here is this way to read. How is the darkness that is the way?

SPEAKER_08 43:54

Okay, that's enough then.

SPEAKER_07 43:56

All right, so I was able to bring the local chat up on my phone. I just can't do it. My laptop for some reason. So, and we got 97 people in here. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 44:05

Yeah, it's working fine for me.

SPEAKER_07 44:07

Yeah, I want to play the clip um that I sent you. Well, before we do that, actually, let me. I wanna I want to read this uh tweet that I put out the other day. I put this tweet out last week.

SPEAKER_08 44:20

Let me pull that up. I know which one you're talking about.

SPEAKER_07 44:24

The one says I'm not dogmatic. Yeah. So last week, I don't even know why I was thinking about this, but I was just like thinking about hip-hop and like what hip-hop is. So I said, uh, I'm not dogmatic about these thoughts, just writing them down as I think them out loud. I think the reason black works as a cultural identity and white doesn't is because the culture itself requires liturgy and worship. Black culture worships at the altar of hip-hop. It has a language and a liturgical dance. There's a mythology to its origins, a respect for the founders. Its artists are like evangel evangelists preaching the twisted morality of a new religion. There's no universal white equivalent. Some white people like country, some metal, some classic rock. They all have different dialects and they don't overlap with each other. Some of it is demonic, but it's not shaping the minds of all white people the way hip-hop shapes black people. There's nothing even approximating hip-hop culture for white people. White will never have the depth to form a real cultural identity. It's why we revert to religion, Catholic, Protestant, atheist, Muslim, etc. So it's like I I was because I somebody had put out something about like white will never work as an identity. You'll never get a white cultural identity that's universal. You'll you might have things in common. You might have American culture, but you're not, it's not deep enough, is all I'm saying. It's not that there's not some of the markers of culture, it's just not deep enough. It has to have worship. I think I'm not saying race is nothing either. Don't don't get me wrong. I'm not I'm not saying like race.

SPEAKER_08 46:04

Because race and culture are different, right? So yeah, they're so yeah, white there won't be a white culture, but that's in my opinion, it's not because white is too shallow, it's because the cultures that form you know, the white race, if you want to call it that, are so deep themselves that that by comparison, you know, the overarching similarities are are are yeah, that's shallow in comparison.

SPEAKER_07 46:32

Yeah, that yeah, it's just not enough. So, all right, so I but really what I was thinking about was hip-hop. Because being white, you you come across hip-hop, you may like some hip-hop songs, but you like to understand what hip-hop is for black people, man, it's like it is their church. Like they even say, take me to church when they're listening to like a new hip if a new artist is coming out that they all really love, it's like, oh, we're going to church, bro, and they'll sit and they'll listen to this out. So play this clip, and you'll get and Rob, it goes to something you actually said in the in the group chat the other day. So which group chat uh with Jason and Mark. I and it has to do with Afro Man. Like, okay, so we were on the Afro Man stuff the other day, right? And we're like, This is hilarious, like uh, but Rob had said in that chat, he goes, in a just society, these cops would lose their defamation case, and then what'd you say?

SPEAKER_08 47:26

Like, but we would then but Afro Afro Man would be hanged for debauchery or not, debauchery because the songs wasn't. I didn't say debauchery, I said something else, but yeah, it's just debased and disgusting.

SPEAKER_07 47:37

He's talking about uh sleeping with another man's wife and stuff, and it was just but it's a very good point, but it goes to what hip hop is kind of so play play this clip and pay attention to what they say in here. Like, really listen carefully. What this played at the beginning of the Grammys.

SPEAKER_08 47:53

Is there language in this?

SPEAKER_07 47:54

No, there's no language, it's okay.

SPEAKER_10 48:04

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SPEAKER_07 48:40

It's it's about a music that pierces the veil between the human and the divine. It's both sacred and profane. This movie starts off with a uh a kid who's the son of a preacher. They call him preacher boy because he's the son of a preacher. And the preacher is telling his son, don't go hang with those people and play that dark music. I'm telling you, the devil lurks there. The kid goes there, and the whole movie is about these white vampires that come. And everybody has this idea that the movie is about white people, and it's like revenge porn, it's a racist revenge porn because the main guy at the end, it starts off as a vampire movie, and then the guy at the end he goes and murders all the KKK guys and stuff. But the deeper theme that's going on here, there's a there's a point where the vampire is about to kill the kid, and the kid starts saying the our father, and the vampire starts saying it along with him, and he goes, and it's an Irish vampire trying to associate like the Irish, um the Irish uh plight with the black plight. And he's like, he's like, Oh man, they tried to force this religion down on me too. And the words still bring me comfort, and he's saying the our father along with the guy. He's like, the words still bring me comfort, but I had to break free of this. The kid's father, the preacher, and the the vampires all wind up dying. The kid runs back to his father, and the whole thing was about the father telling him this music is evil, don't play with the mean. The kid's holding a guitar in his hand, and he runs back into the church where his dad is at the end of the movie, and his dad's like, Repent of your sins, son, come back to me and let go of the guitar. The kid comes to the father, and the father hugs him and looks like he's biting him like a vampire. Like it's really twisted imagery that the Christian preacher is also the vampire, right? He doesn't let go of the guitar and he runs out of the church, and then you see him later in life playing blues music. Like this whole thing is this twisted vision of a religion that comes along with this music, and this music is a religion, comes with a morality, a liturgical dance. When you look, it's the same reason. Like it's why do you think there's no more rock music like it was? I mean, I'm sure there's new rock artists, but it's not like it was when we were growing up. You remember when there was like like there's not a there's not a rock station in New York on regular radio anymore. In really there's no rock station in New York, it's all hip-hop. These producers, these Jewish producers of music, saw the way that hip-hop influenced the culture. They saw, like, they don't they don't even want white kids listening to rock anymore. They want white kids listening to this debauched hip-hop, they want your daughters listening to Nicki Minaj, they want your daughters listening to Cardi Bean, who's talking about WAP, and just the most degenerate filth you can possibly imagine. Now, it still doesn't have the same effect on white people that it does on black people, like it's still like it's still a black thing, but showing that the CIA takes hip-hop and they globalize it and they send it into all these countries in South America and in all these, and they use hip-hop to overturn governments. Like you think towards the 60s when they used rock like that, right? Like, like you think in the 60s and use rock music for that same thing, the Beatles and everything, you know, it was all revolutionary stuff, but hip-hop from its inception comes from like Jamaica, and it's it starts in the well starts as well, it starts as blues, no, it absolutely does, and actually jazz, probably, right? Probably starts as jazz, then develops into blues blues, but but like blues.

Sinners And Blues As Spiritual Warfare

SPEAKER_08 52:28

Um you listen to like Robert Johnson, who's who is like the the first real like black blue uh blues musician, like a lot of his son songs are about like demons, like meeting a demon at the crossroads and making a deal with the demon and and all this stuff.

SPEAKER_07 52:48

Well, you think about even in the roaring twenties, in the roaring twenties, you have jazz music, right? And you have all these white people that want to go to the black clubs because but there's something so promiscuous about black culture with this music, like along with this music, like there's something demonic inherent in this music that makes people lose their inhibitions. So, like I was listening to Joel Webbin and Calvin Robinson talk about uh about rap music change uh the frequencies and stuff, like the rock styles and stuff. I'm like, I don't know. Like that's that's a that's a big that's like a I think Calvin Robinson's supposed to be a YouTube video that he was like, oh, this is what happened. I don't think I don't think it's that deep. I just think that they saw the power that this I mean you're talking about um like African tribal beats, right? These tribal beats, and the and and it's it's got this demonic undertone to the whole thing. And when they bring it to America, it really does uh play to your lower faculties. Like it really does. You hear uh, I mean, you hear a hip-hop beat and you just like you just start moving to it. I'm telling there's something so deeply religious and like religious on a demonic sense that's going on in this. And this movie that everybody thinks is about race, it is, but it's about so much more than that. It's about the white man imposing Christ on the black man and and shirking this whole thing and just giving yourself over to this demonic entity that is hip-hop and and blues and whatever black music, like it's just it's all one thing. So there's this scene where they blend it all, and it's supposed to take place in the 1930s, and they blend the blues music with modern hip-hop, and you see some girl come twerking right through, and it was just like this insane display of liturgy. So there's four pillars to hip-hop, and most white people don't know this, right? So there's three pillars of the church, right? You have you have scripture, tradition, and the magisterium, right? There's four pillars to hip-hop.

SPEAKER_08 54:50

Well, and that's their four pillars of hip-hop could be like the four marks of the church.

SPEAKER_07 54:56

It's something like that. So it's it's graffiti, breakdancing, um, graffiti, breakdancing, djing, and mcing, right? So like the graffiti is the art that goes with the culture. Like, you think about all of our religious art, the the breakdancing is the liturgical dance. The the DJing is, I don't know where you would compare that, but then MCing is like the preachers, these evangelists going around and preaching this new religion. I'm telling you, there's something so religious about this thing that it's it's just it's I don't know, it's so evil, man. I've been thinking about this for days. You know, like I'm watching everybody talk about how it's like revenge porn, and it's just, and it is because there's something cathartic about the black people just taking their their anger out on white people, and there's definitely an element of that, but really the the the main theme that they're dealing with in there is overthrowing Christ and the chains of Christian bondage, telling you not to just go and sleep around and have these disgusting more this disgusting moral code, and you see it prevalent throughout the black community.

SPEAKER_08 56:07

I'm not saying every black person, but it's prevalent in the black community at black culture, hip-hop culture, it really um debases them and returns them back to West Africa, yeah, you know, and and the weird and all and just the terrible morals and debauchery that exist even to this day in West Africa.

SPEAKER_07 56:26

Dude, we all have the same X feed essentially, where you're watching these videos, and it's either black women getting arrested, which is one of the most insane things you've ever seen.

SPEAKER_08 56:35

We're not all have the same X feed.

SPEAKER_07 56:37

All right, well, mine is, or it's like like it'll be paternity court, and a woman I've never had a paternity court video on my X Feet. A woman's got four kids of four different guys. I mean, it's just uh you see what's portrayed on my X-Peat is just the level of cheating that goes on in relationships. It's almost like every single black guy cheats, every single black girl cheats. It's and it's crazy to me, and it's because it's so deeply ingrained in them in this music. Like this this music has so much to do with it. And I don't know. I mean, I I wonder if we can get this clip onto YouTube because it's it's definitely pushing a boundary, and I don't know about the copyright, but it's something that needs to be discussed.

SPEAKER_08 57:25

Um, yeah, we can get it on YouTube now. You think if you can because we can claim we can claim fair use, it's just that you can't claim fair use in the middle of the live stream, it will just kick it.

SPEAKER_07 57:38

Yeah, so maybe we can put the clip up later because I would like to even send this to Ruslan, who I watched criticizing Calvin Robinson and and um uh uh Joel Joel Webin. Because Ruslan has an affinity for hip-hop, right? And and look, I love Enoch, but even Enoch he'll tell you like when he talks to Father Ripiger about this stuff, like Father Ripiger says it's not just the lyrics that are a problem, literally the beat, the beat itself plays to your lower faculties, and it can't it it it debases you a bit, you know, and we're all just so desensitized to it that we think nothing of it. And look, I'm not I'm not like saying rock music is any better.

SPEAKER_08 58:21

I mean it is it is to a degree, but even that is I would say like you know, because because both hip-hop and rock have have their base and like in in blues, right? And in rock, you know, early rock, shortly after transition from blues with you know, like um Elvis and in that era, it it has that same almost sort of you know beat and syncopation and so forth.

SPEAKER_06 58:51

Well, Rob, think about mosh pits. Think about mosh pits. When you used to go to mosh pits, you're using yourself in the mosh pit, right? Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_08 58:59

But but not not all, not always, because as rock transitioned, you started like uh they would incorporate you know symphonic melodies into oh yeah, I'm sure there are some some some decent rock. I'm not saying like entirely, but it it's still like you but yeah, there's definitely some forms of you know uh black metal, death metal, things like that. Obviously, not good.

SPEAKER_07 59:21

I mean, you think back to Ozzy Osborne, Black Sabbath, and you think back like they tried to do with rock what they had in hip-hop, but I'm telling you, what what they had in hip-hop was such a a more possessive form of music, which I think is why they phased rock music out for white people, and it's really just like all hip-hop now. It's all you hear everywhere, every every white kid's listening to Kanye, or they're listening to J. Cole, or they're listening to there.

SPEAKER_08 59:50

Kanye's got one good song.

SPEAKER_07 59:52

I I like a lot of Kanye. Like, I'm saying this, and I like hip hop, like it's not I'm just looking at it from an objective standpoint and what has happened to our culture over the past several decades. And I see that the CIA used it to go and overthrow governments and things like that. And it's like, this is a very powerful tool here, yeah, it's a very powerful tool here, and it's because there are religious aspects to it, and it has to do with giving yourself over to something. Um, Rob, I'm gonna send you um, I'm gonna send you an Andrew Tate clip, which I'm not usually a fan of Andrew Tate, but dude. Wait, actually, there's two clips I want to play. One is Tim Dylan talking about being an American tourist right now. I was dying. I'm gonna send this one to you. We're gonna play the Tim Dylan one first. This one is just so freaking funny. All right, I just sent it. Play the Tim Dylan clip real quick. It's so freaking funny, dude. And I'm all I'm thinking about is me going on this trip to Italy while while I'm while he's talking about it.

SPEAKER_17 1:01:06

Not exactly the time to be gallivanting all over the world. Are you gonna be an American tourist right now? You psychopath? We're destabilizing the globe. What kind of psychopath are you gonna be right now? You're gonna go to Italy and probably why they're fucked because we're attacking Iran.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:30

We've we've driven the oil up and everything's gone insane. You're gonna think of damage that was okay. What do you mean? You total psychopath? What are you you're gonna go to Italy right now?

SPEAKER_08 1:01:42

It's like the Spanish, it's like a Spanish conquistador touring the world back in the 1500s. Of course, we're gonna go travel the world right now.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:50

No, he's like, he's like, hi, I'm an American. Where's the cheese shop? We're destroying your country right now. And he gets into he's like, he's like America and Israel. He gets like the two metheads on the block that the entire town is so sick of. Bringing down property values, bringing down property values, stealing everybody's lawnmowers, like oh that clip had me dying. Um, all right, then the other one was this one. This one is like freaky because this cursing in this guy, if you don't like cursing, I don't know what to tell you. This one kind of bugs me out a bit. It's a little depressing, but I don't know, man. There's something about what he's saying here that is just so right, and there's this bad language in it, but it's just like he is so right on this, man. Everything is just a free-for-all right now.

SPEAKER_15 1:02:44

It cannot continue this way.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:47

Well, well, that's his actual voice. Yeah, I guess he's got a British accent. Oh, yeah. Oh, you never heard Andrew Tate? He's got like a weird mix of like British American and like I don't know, it's it's a very odd everything possible to avoid listening to that man. He has a very weird accent, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_15 1:03:05

This is the reset.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:08

That one wasn't an accent at all. What happened? Yeah, he he goes back and forth between English and American. You'll see.

SPEAKER_15 1:03:20

I've said I know someone else who says that. Repeatedly, money isn't real, and people are like, What do you mean? None of it's real. GDP isn't real, the stock market isn't real, it's all made up. Every single person in any single position of power, take it from me, is stealing. Every single person in any single position of power is stealing. Zelensky's wife started a prosthetics company before the war. Now, when you get your leg blown off in the goy battle, you have to get a government contract, you get your government money to buy yourself a new leg from her company. As if they don't steal enough. Now, on top of all the other money they steal from an American taxpayer, and the American taxpayer keeps sending it because the American politicians are getting a cut back. On top of that, all she owns a company that will sell you a plastic arm. This is just the beginning. You think all the people in government didn't position themselves correctly before missiles started flying? You think people aren't getting rich off this shit? Everyone is stealing, everyone is raping. It is the end. The Titanic has hit the iceberg, and everybody is just raiding the mini bar. Anyone who can is. Everyone's stealing. Everyone.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:42

Pause for a second. Did you watch any of the um Christy Gnome thing that went down before she got taken out? Okay, so Christy Gnome is before Congress, and they're like, You took$250 million in taxpayer money for advertisements for ICE with you in them.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:04

$20 million on horses to record an ad in front of the the Mount Rushmore.

Hip-Hop’s Four Pillars As Liturgy

SPEAKER_07 1:05:13

Rob, just think about this. She took$250 million of taxpayer money, right? To film some ads for ICE. She gave$50 million to her her her her um her uh like her part, uh, not like her assistant. Her assistant's husband ran the production company. She gave$50 million to him,$50 million to this friend,$50 million to this friend,$20 million to this friend, 10 million. They all put her on the board of their things and they all kick money back to her. The entire thing is a freaking facade. Every single one of these people, I don't care what political party they're in, they are siphoning money, stealing from every single one of us. This entire thing is coming, collapsing down any day now.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:55

Well, I mean, let's that's That's history. I mean, I get it. We were lied to, you know, we were, you know, school were taught the kings and queens and dukes and and all of them, you know, nepotism and and you know, all of that. They were just the stealing from the the poor peasants. No, I'm sorry, European medieval Christendom. I'm sure it had some of it, but it's way better than what came before it, and it's way better than everything that's come after it.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:29

You know, go, you know, the so-called democracy and what we have now was just even this, even this, even this thing that Trump did the other day with threatening to take out all of Iran's freaking um energy sources. He does it on a Saturday. And then Monday before the market opens, he's like he announces, oh no, no, no, we're not gonna do it. Like the whole thing is about stock market manipulation. There's like 1.5 trillion in debt. Uh like people are betting against it's like the it's like in 08 when the guy bet against the housing market and everybody like this. All of this is about market manipulation, people getting rich as crap off of the manipulation of the stock market because they have insider information. Anybody else would do a hundred-year prison sentence for the crap that these people are doing, and they're just doing it like it's nothing. The whole thing is just about manipulating markets so that this one could get rich, and this one, this is how they get their kickbacks. The CIA, this is how the CIA makes their off-budget money, they just they know exactly what's going to happen because they have all this inside information and they just know where to put their money and which stocks and which things, and then all of a sudden that stock shoots up, and now they got all this money. Anyone that was in the in intelligence, after they like leave an administration, they get these cushion jobs at some of these stupid nonprofit organizations, and they get all this insider information, and all of a sudden their stock portfolio jumps eight eight billion times because they got that position.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:51

Yeah, if you if you don't think like the intelligence agencies are involved in things like polymarket, of course, dude.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:58

Not just that, Rob. That's how that like especially Bitcoin and things like that. Everybody thinks Bitcoin is going to be the way we get away from centralized banking. No, it's not. Bitcoin is how the central intelligence agency pays people without having helped start Bitcoin. But it's how it's how they transfer money without having banking in involved. They're just like they just oh, you just touched something on your phone, all of a sudden you got all this crypto in your wallet, and you're a millionaire. This is how they overthrow governments and stuff. This is this is how they this is what they're doing. The whole thing is so fake, and it just feels like we're just steaming full steam ahead towards a brick freaking wall right now. Ugh, not to get too depressing, but then um, then let me see what else we got. Um, we'll save the we'll save the Darrell Cooper clip for last. Um, this one was pretty interesting. Um I'm sending these to Rob as we do the show because I didn't want to overload his system while we were going. So this one this one was talking about how um our species norm is polygamy.

SPEAKER_11 1:09:03

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:14

Okay, here we go.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:15

Our species norm is polygyne, where you have yeah, 80% of cultures on the anthropological record have been polygynous, where you have high status men have multiple wives and low status men have more wives. Christianity is unusual in insisting on monogamy. We inherited it from Rome. It was a very important component of 2,000 years of uh plause that.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:36

Like, um Do these people think they can just make up history all the time?

SPEAKER_07 1:09:41

No, we did not inherit that from Rome. The the closest thing you had to it was in the Old Testament, like the the the Hebrew people, but even they had divorce and they could put their wives away and things like that. Christianity is what elevates. I mean, she does say that as she does say as much, but she's making it like we inherited it from the Roman Empire or something. No, Christ elevates marriage to a sacrament, and it's part of what civilizes the world. It's that men aren't like aren't treating women as concubines anymore, and and men have a duty even to their slave because their slave has you know inherent dignity because it really, I mean, it all of this comes down to our lady, like the devotion to our lady and seeing our lady as the crown of creation then elevates the dignity of all other women. But it's just funny how people today think Christianity is so oppressive to women when meanwhile it is the only thing that ever made it so that women weren't just property and sex slaves.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:43

Which we Christianity has been on the decline now, and we've we've seen it their property and sex slaves again.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:52

Yep, right back to it. The freaking the porn hub guy, or the not the porn, the only fans guy dying. Dying at 43, the world's big the world's most pro prolific pimp. Yeah. Dying at 43 years old. Oof, you imagine the judgment that guy had to sit through. I forgot where else this clip goes.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:14

I just remember I wanted to, of course, we're mostly rejected. And even though legally you're still only allowed to marry one person, having sex outside of marriage is now completely socially permissible. And so people are in practice being drawn back towards our species norm, having lifted the monogamous restriction. But I argue in the book, and I think I think really strongly of that that monogamous restriction produces much better outcomes, particularly for women.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:39

Wow, this brilliant woman figured something out. Well, she argues in the book that not sleeping around is more advantageous. Brilliant. I don't know where she came up with this stuff.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:52

Miss Captain uh hindsight over here. Wow, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:56

This woman's brilliant.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:00

What else did she say?

SPEAKER_08 1:12:02

Yeah, you know that meme of the that's come out in the last year of the the woman wearing glasses, it's for that show that ended up not happening because of the meme. You you know what I'm talking about at all.

unknown 1:12:13

I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:14

It's like a woman with glasses looking at a computer screen, and then she says something completely obvious that she thinks she just discovered. Never mind.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:28

It's like the most obvious thing you think, honey, it's amazing. You have to write a whole book on this. It's just funny how it's always you no matter like the greatest proof of God. I and I and I tell this to my kids, I tell this to everybody. The greatest proof of God is to look at the disordered lives of the non-believers. Like it really is the greatest proof of God's existence.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:53

This is what our audience does during the show.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:55

I'm actually like disgusted even looking at this photo.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:58

Why are we looking at this photo?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:00

What is wrong with you? Why would you share that?

War Profiteering And Rigged Markets

SPEAKER_07 1:13:04

We'll go back to this. Let's see what else we got in here. Um I got a bunch of stuff in here that I present the other day. Um yeah, I did want to talk about the Ryan Burge tweet that I put in there. Um weekly attending Catholics and mainline Protestants agree that gay and lesbian people should be allowed to marry. You see that one? Like if this is not the greatest proof of the disastrous outcome of the Novus Ordo, and that not just that it conditions you, it conditions you to think the highest good is to uh not judge, right? Like to never judge anything anyone does ever, and the downplaying of the severity of sin. Yeah, like it's it's really you have to be one of those people who stands out. And and if we are attending a novice order, we have to be super conscious of this, and we have to make sure we catechize our kids properly and make sure like it's your work is really cut out for you when when you're just a a weekly cultural Catholic, man. It's nuts.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:31

Yeah, to think that literally 60% of people in those pews think that homosexuality is okay.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:39

You think about why, though, it's like the when you when you go to a Novasoto, it's generally made up of like the remnants of people who still like have some kind of cultural attachment to Catholicism, right? They're not like devout, they're not, you know.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:53

Well, that and to be fair, 60% of those priests are probably gay too, so that makes sense. Yeah, right in line.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:58

So like the things they're preaching from the pulpit are never anything challenging or anything. Yeah, they they really did ship in this neutered version of Catholicism to us, man. It's crazy because like the the thing that made me start thinking about this stuff the most is no shirtate and um religious liberty, like those two things have just stood out to me so much in the no shirtate, especially, man. Just seeing how the the the church just stopped stopped evangelizing, and basically it's just like, no, no, no, everybody's cool, just come in, come on. We're gonna put your Buddha statue up on our altar, and like you guys are cool, don't worry. You don't need to convert, don't worry, you guys think just the way you are. Let's just dialogue. Like, what an insane approach.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:48

Now, on the other hand, six the your average novice oral parish is probably 60% boomer.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:56

And they're on their way.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:57

Well, that that number could change significantly, it's gonna be a drastic drop-off soon, right? Well, you but what I'm saying is like things like things like 60% of the the weekly attendance saying that they agree with in hopes with homosexuality is gonna be wildly different in 10 years, I bet.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:16

Yeah, yeah, it's already starting, right? I mean, that they probably did survey the older crowd there. And they were the first to receive the propaganda. Like it's not um uh it's like um, you know what? All right, let's play this because this actually this this plays into this theme perfectly. I'll I'll send it over to you now. Hang on. Uh this Tucker clip. Play play the beginning of this Tucker clip. It's not you don't have to play the whole thing, but just the beginning of it. It plays into this exactly.

SPEAKER_12 1:16:53

There's not a single Western city that's thriving. And they're all degrading in exactly the same way.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:01

Is a lot of it just a moral decay, or is it actually true from everything?

SPEAKER_12 1:17:05

It's a lot of things, but it's self-hatred. Every city crazy, every European city, every American city, it's just white. People lose their their will to live, their will to pass on their culture, their values, their religion to their children, their their will to have children. That's all gone.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:18

That's it. That's that's what we're dealing with. It's the older generation lost their will to pass on their culture and their religion to the next generation. Like we like we it really is up to us to to change that statistic. And we have an opportunity to do it. It's just it's gonna be a slow go, and we have to work really hard to do it. It's it's we have we have our work cut out for us, guys. But like all, especially you guys that watch our show, like this is the mission, right? To to flip, to flip that mistake, the mistakes that our fathers made. That's kind of what the all like so many of the conversations we have on this show are is like we have to because we could sit here and complain and and and bitch about like what what mistakes our fathers made. And it's like, yeah, all right, but like what are we doing? We have to be that that change, and we and it's gonna be a really slow bill because uh we we don't know, you know, for all the talk we do about the end of the world stuff, like we don't know, and we have to be prepared for a long, slow go of it, and and to flip these cultural trends the other way. And it starts with us and our children and the people that we encounter in our lives. Um said step one raised 15 beige-colored Catholic baby.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:43

Beige colored, not beige feeling.

SPEAKER_07 1:18:47

I'm wondering what he thought of my uh hip hop segment. I'm just looking at the comments, see if there's anything. Uh and then we can um we could definitely play the um uh let's say about Daryl. Want to do the Daryl Cooper clip?

SPEAKER_08 1:19:10

Let me send it to me.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:12

Let's see. This this Daryl Cooper clip, man. He's I really like Daryl Cooper. Yeah, I really like Daryl Cooper.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:24

He's like he he's just he he's pointing something out about Netanyahu that's just for those of you who don't know Daryl Cooper, he does the Martyrmaid podcast.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:36

Yeah, and he just started a new one with Scott Horton.

SPEAKER_16 1:19:39

I think Benjamin Netanyahu will kill you. He will kill a US president if he feels like he needs to. This is a guy who he really sees himself as not even a historical figure in the sense that like General Eisenhower is a historical figure. He sees himself in like a mythic context, you know, like Moses or Joshua. He really does. And that became clear, you know, in this video that came out recently. He's talking about bringing back the Messiah and stuff. And and and so a guy who is in that mode, um, that guy'll kill you if he really thinks that you're in the way of his life project, especially when he's at the age he is now, you know, and he's clearly at a point where he is ready to push all of his chips into the middle and act very recklessly in the same way that you know, you see uh like one of the interesting things about about Hitler, for example, and this is also true of Jim Jones, uh, the cult leader, is both of those guys comparing now to an extremely acute sense. They were not very long. They they were not long for this world. They're both kind of hypochondriacs, and they both just expected that their time was very limited, and that there was nobody else that could do the great thing that needed to be done. And so every the timeline for everything got accelerated. You gotta do it now, you gotta do it now, whether it's smart, whether it's reckless, you gotta do it now. And um, and it led, you know, those two movements obviously to disaster. And Benjamin Netanyahu, you know, he's not a he's not a younger hypochondriac who thinks he's gonna die from bowel cancer or whatever, but he's an old man, you know, and um and he looks around the Israeli political landscape. And I think anybody that knows anything about Israeli domestic politics can look around over there and say there are not a lot of impressive characters, you know, besides Benjamin Netanyahu, who, you know, look, I mean, from a just from a cold objective standpoint, I mean, he's an extremely effective politician, you know. And so you don't have to like him to admit that. But you look at the bench in Israeli politics, it's extremely weak. That's why, you know, a huge chunk of the public knows he's corrupt. They hate him, like they really don't like him. He was really unpopular before this started, but he's basically ruled Israel for 30 years, you know? And it's because the their bench is incredibly weak. And so he's looking around and saying, once I'm gone, like this has to be done now. Yeah, and people like that are extremely dangerous.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:02

That's what makes me nervous about all this. Trump, too, man. Like the bench for Trump is weak, too, right? It's like, what do we got? We got Vance, Vance, Rubio. Ah, it's a pretty weak bench, but at least we know them. Like, I don't even know anybody. I mean, we're not in Israel, but like Netanyahu's the only political figure in Israel that we know.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:22

I don't really know anybody else except for some of the defectors who will come out and talk. But um, just this whole the whole thing with them shutting down like the Church of the Holy Sepulchre for Holy Week. Like, that's uh when was the last time that happened?

SPEAKER_08 1:22:40

Probably 2020.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:42

Oh, that's true.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:44

That's true. I could be wrong about that, but that wouldn't surprise me.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:48

Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of nuts what's going on, man. What do you think? What's going on with this Iran war?

SPEAKER_08 1:22:56

Hard to say. It's it's weird because with as much as like information technology has advanced since 2003, I have seen way less of what's happening in Iran than I saw of what happened in Iraq in 2003.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:14

You know, but then again, we were getting very like manipulated media in O3 that they wanted because they have way better control over the information they were getting us.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:23

I mean, it was was it used as propaganda, sure, but I can't think of anything that was manipulated to the to like the point where like they told like the opposite story of what other than like the the WMD stuff, right? But other than that, like I don't know. It's just I have no idea what to what to believe right now with Iran.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:50

Like that's what that's what that's my problem with all this, right? Like you you hear you hear something and you just don't know where you're getting the information from. Because first off, this is the weirdest American war we've ever been in, in that there's so many Americans hoping it's not successful. It's like a weird thing. I've never seen anything like it where so many Americans.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:10

Um I I think that the there was a lot of that in in 2003 and with Iraq too, but I think the issue now is there are so many more platforms right to get information from, and it's all everyone feels the need to have the you know the hot take or the new info. So everyone is pushing out different things, you know, often often contradicting each other.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:37

And I'm just hearing so much from like okay, so it was always like you know, the the the Republicans were pro-war and the Democrats were anti-war. I'm seeing so much in my feed from people who are like, dude, America's in way over our head right now. We are like this is this is major trouble.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:57

And I don't know if I should believe that I don't I don't buy that stuff at all. Like, did we maybe not have a plan for the Strait of Hormoes? I don't it would seem stupid to not have a plan there, but then what is our plan? Because we don't seem to be doing much, but like militarily, no, the the Iran's military is more or less gone. Yeah, I mean the fact that we have um A-10 warthogs and a pot Apache helicopters making runs over Iranian territory means that they have no anti-air defenses anymore. Yeah, you know, um their missile launches uh have decreased to single digits per day. Um, so most of their offensive missile capability seems to be gone. But they have enough, obviously, to scare civilian tankers from running the straight or from running the straight, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:25:47

Um I'm hearing like uh uh Colonel McGregor was saying that he wouldn't doubt it that uh Putin would probably go to Netanyahu and say, if you go too far, we'll go too far. So I mean that and that is possible, right? Like if I if if Israel starts threatening nuclear options, it's like that's that's what everyone has always done with the nuclear weapons.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:10

That seemingly their whole purpose is to deter to yeah, to deter and limit how far things go. So that wouldn't be out of the norm. Yeah, and and that's really all Russia has to play at this point. I mean, they're they're sending 60-year-old and North Korean soldiers into Ukraine, they don't have are they as depleted as Ukraine was?

SPEAKER_07 1:26:33

Like Ukraine was like forcing 60-year-old men into the battlefield. Is is Russia like just playing like they're at that point, or they really at that point too?

SPEAKER_08 1:26:42

I think they're really at that point. They might they might have a couple um you know higher-end units um available that they have kept in reserve just to have something. Um but for the most part their their conventional military, I would say, is is probably depleted at this point. Such scary I mean the the so we talk about demographic collapse, right, throughout all of Europe, and like Ukraine were way ahead of us in demographic collapse because Russia never recovered from the number of men they lost in World War II.

SPEAKER_07 1:27:17

Yeah, you know, my my my Russian teacher in high school talked about how just deplete, you know, when she she was born in the six, I don't know when she was born, but she grew up in Russia than like the 70s and 80s, and she just would talk about there was there was just no men around, you know, there was you never and China China has been lying for ages about their population, like telling us they have a billion people, they really got closer to like half that. They didn't right, but half of that is still double that of America, so yeah, but they also like there's a disproportionate amount of men to women, and yes, I guess everyone is it seems like is just what do you make of um any anything? Thoughts to like some kind of global energy lockdown coming?

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SPEAKER_08 1:28:04

That does seem to be where things are heading, right? Uh because not only the strait being closed, obviously that has a big impact, but Ukraine has damaged a lot of energy infrastructure in that area, and you know they they're threatening more. Um so it's it's globally it's not gonna be good, but it is gonna be worse for the BRICS nations, for China, for India, for for Russia, for you know, for all of them um that were dependent on Iran and we actually have access to our oil still. It's just right, it's just yeah. I mean, we are a net net exporter of oil, but of course, the global oil market still tends to set prices. So, like, are we gonna actually run out or have shortages here in America? No, you know, like in the 70s when the Strait of Hormuz was closed um twice, right? And and that caused the is that what jumped oil prices in the 70s is the Strait of Hormuz? It was Iran, it was Iran basically. Um, you know, so two incidents there in the 70s caused a decade of instability and energy prices, caused you know gas lines and stuff like that. But in the 70s, we didn't have the oil infrastructure that we do now here in the US. So are we gonna have gas lines where you run out of gas? No, but the price is still gonna be 10 bucks a gallon, possibly. Oh man.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:36

Oh man.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:40

But that's gonna that's going that is going to hurt you know, China way more than it's gonna hurt us.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:48

Yeah, I hope things die down for a while, man. I'm like the last thing I want, I just want I want this like to chill out for a couple of years, and then maybe they could pick something up in a few years. I just don't want to see all this stuff just look but like like uh Daryl was saying, like Netanyahu is what makes it, he's just the wild card in this whole thing.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:09

Yeah, I think we're gonna see China maybe start to push and push too. You know, it had been it'd have been talked that they had uh set 2030 as the the date for Taiwan. Yeah, but we're seeing you know instability in the Chinese military, especially in the higher ranks. Um if they're being you know bled of oil and and stuff of that, I I can see them pushing harder to harder, and especially if we're embroiled in something in the Middle East.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:39

Yeah, you know, yeah. What worries me is that um Netanyahu sees Trump as his only ticket to do this. Like, yeah, I don't I think if like if especially if like Trump loses the next election, well Trump's not gonna run, but you know, if the Republicans lose the next election and you get a Democrat in, I don't think he has he has as much confidence he'll manipulate things.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:59

You have Gavin Newsom who used to talk about how terrible the war in Gaza was, now come out and say he's uh he's a proud Zionist, you know. You have uh Shapiro in um in Pennsylvania that obviously is a Shapiro. Um so they're they're the they do have Zionists on the Democrats, too.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:21

Yeah, they always will. They got you know, they got it everywhere.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:26

Did you see um you see the Rohl stuff?

SPEAKER_06 1:31:31

No.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:32

So do you know who Ro Dahl is? No, he's um uh what he was a well-known uh children's officer.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:39

Oh no, no, oh okay, yeah, like James, James the giant peach and stuff. Yeah, yeah, I know exactly who he is. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:43

So I guess in 1982, when Israel invaded Lebanon, he wrote an article criticizing that that move and has been labeled as an anti-Semite ever since. But you know, he in his article he talked about how uh because he was uh a pilot, um British pilot in World War II over in Palestine, and uh talking about his experiences there and how after the war, you know, suddenly you had all the the Jews come in with all the American money and all the American weaponry and drive the Palestinians out. And it was um it's an interesting article to read.

SPEAKER_07 1:32:18

I'll have to check that out. That look, there's a couple of things happening right now, like especially with the all the AI conversation stuff. It's like every one of these guys that we're seeing, like talk, you know, when you're looking at Palantir, or you're looking at freaking um uh Claude, or you're looking at Grok, you're looking at all these AI companies competing for this top spot, like they're all freaking weirdos, dude. Like Peter Teal's talking about the Antichrist, freaking uh the the most level-headed one is uh what's his name? Freaking um Twitter. What the hell's his name? Um Elon, right? And Elon's a weirdo, dude. Like all these guys are psychopaths, and like they're the ones that are taking us into this revolution. But it seems like all of this stuff is just rushing us towards digital currency and stuff. Look at all the things we've been talking about for the past five, six years. It seems like it's all coming to a head soon.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:19

Yeah, yeah. I mean, um, it from things I've seen, it looks like the vast majority of the strikes that we've made in Iran were those targets were chosen by AI. Which that I mean if you think of how military strikes are planned, you know, with intel gathering and and and figuring out priorities and things like that, like that that actually is a pretty perfect use case for AI as long as you have someone over you know looking over the final choices, yeah, with a with a with a human uh no, let's not bomb the school AI, like what the hell? But um, but yeah, it's it's interesting.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:04

Uh do you because I don't think digital ID and digital currency is like the mark of the beast. Like, I just think that's kind of inevitable. Like, we don't use cash anymore, anyway. I I just don't think that's the mark of the beast. I don't know. I think it's gonna be more like a COVID vaccine type of thing.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:22

Yeah, it it's not gonna you're gonna need it to access, you know, the the the you know the global economy. Um but I think but digital digital ID and digital currency. I think like more like social credit. Yeah, that'll that'll be which is which is was like the the COVID vaccine, but it's not gonna be did you get a vaccine, it's gonna be you know, are you an anti-Semite? You know, which you know stuff like that.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:51

Yeah, yeah, the stuff we do on this show will be in deep shit. Yeah, we'll be um yeah, uh Molly saying she used to be pretty comfortable with the blue. I I everything is just coming at us so fast now. I I have no idea. Um, there was one interesting clip I just posted in the uh telegram with Perez Hilton. Did you see the Perez Hilton clip? No, it's kind of interesting. I just popped it in. Yeah, play this. Watch this.

SPEAKER_14 1:35:33

Presented himself to me.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:35

God presented himself. You can make it louder, you can go back a little. All the way up. All right, go back. So he he he had he had an instance where God presented himself to me.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:46

You know, wouldn't have to go back if you weren't talking over.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:49

I know, I thought we could go louder, though, and I did talk over it. Sorry.

SPEAKER_08 1:35:51

No, I can't that's as loud as it gets.

SPEAKER_14 1:35:54

God presented himself to me. It was not a feeling. God presented himself to me. And I grew up Catholic. I was baptized, had my communion, confirmed, went to Jesuit school for seven years. That's why it was never a believer until now. God presented himself to me and then did something. Something that I could only call miraculous. And I was very lucid. And this has been life-changing. I'm so grateful. I'm excited to start taking the kids to church every week, and to just know that God is real. I had my heart open before. I wanted to believe, and I don't have to hope to believe. I know now.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:05

Let's pray the evangelicals don't convince him to leave Catholicism because he was raised Catholic, he went through the sacraments, and he's gonna start going back to church. So it's like let's hope he let's see, let's let's hope he stays Catholic, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:37:18

Who is he?

SPEAKER_07 1:37:19

Press Hilton's like a Hollywood reporter, writer kind of guy, and I'm surprised he had kids. Uh he seems like he might have been uh let's hope he doesn't have a husband.

SPEAKER_05 1:37:30

I don't know. I don't know enough about it. He's one of that 60%, eh? I don't know enough about him. I don't know if he has a husband or a wife. Let's hope he has a wife.

SPEAKER_07 1:37:42

Um, it is interesting how this stuff is uh kind of coming up like a lot. Like you still see God working and and doing all the all this stuff, but um uh should we should we discuss Trent before we go?

SPEAKER_08 1:38:02

I mean I've I've I haven't paid attention to I know he's he's make he's claiming he's just weird, he's just a weird dude, man.

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SPEAKER_07 1:38:12

Like he went and he did this video like going after Andrew Wilson, Jay Dyer, and Sam Shamoon, and going after them and basically saying, like, uh these men aren't Christian and they're going to hell, and he starts reading Bible quotes to them and stuff, and then in typical fashion, Sam and Jay and Andrew all respond in uh in the way they do, in the way they they handle everything, and then he gets on there today and he's like, This is not good, oi Fey. It's like dude, you picked a fight and now you play a victim. Come on, man, what are you doing? Like you always say, you are not allowed to be pissed when you get the reaction you wanted. I I I I because I've had to tell a few people that like um Joe Boca. Joe Boca did like made wrote a tweet one time and it blew up and it went everywhere, and he was like panicking. And he calls me. He's like, dude, everybody's coming after me. I'm like, Joe, you wrote an intentionally like infuriate, like you wrote a tweet to piss people off, and you're acting shocked that people are pissed off. Like, just handle it, like it is what it is. Like, dude, when I fire off a troll, I don't I like I'll read some of the comments, but like I'm not paying attention to people's reactions. Like, who cares? It's like I don't know, but you do like you do have a point, like different temperaments handle things very differently, you know. Yeah, it's it's like you saw that with Cavazzos, right? Cavazzos would do a video, and then people would criticize him for the video, and he'd panic the video down, and it's like we did that a couple times too, though, like early on, especially. And you have to you you do have to kind of get used to because it is hard to handle online criticism. It's not, you know, I I say it brushes right off of me, but I have to actually not pay attention to it, and just I always remind myself, like, if it gets that rough, you just turn Twitter off and it's off, it's gone. Like it's you turn Twitter off and it's not real, it's not the real world, it's not and the thing is, we like we've been watching our channel get higher subscribers, and there's good and bad that comes with that, in that like I kind of enjoy that we're never thrown in the like when Trent did his video and he's talking about Jay Andrew and Tim Gordon. Like, we don't get thrown in that mix.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:33

I'm glad I don't want to be in that mix.

SPEAKER_07 1:40:36

It's true though, right? Like, I don't want to be thrown in the mix and have our names out there and stuff. We do manage to stay under the radar, even though we have a higher profile than some of those guys, like views-wise, right? Like, our channel is bigger than Tim's. We get more views than Tim, but Tim is in the mix with everything, man. And I'm like, when I saw like all the Carrie Pashawn Bowler stuff popping off, I was just like, I don't know, I'm not getting involved in this crap. I don't, I have no desire. That was uh eye-opening. Yeah, I just I just don't care. Like, I'm I'm going to like if it's different if I feel strongly about something, but I just was not a fan of that woman. Like her, her sh I I don't know. I just didn't, I wasn't a fan of what she was doing. Like there's a better way to go about this conversation, and I think the way she was doing it was just drawing negative attention to the conversation. It was not, it wasn't being handled seriously, it was just this loud, obnoxious. It's like, I don't think that's productive at all. It's like, and then and then her acting as if it's shocking that none of the bishops will back her up. It's like, what year do you think this is? What church do you think you joined? Like, are you kidding me? Did you did you think you were joining the the church where the church fathers are still in charge? Come on, like, come on, that's not how it works anymore. You know, just so jaded.

SPEAKER_08 1:41:58

How Keith wrote that book for converts. Yeah, we should write a book for converts.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:04

Yeah, brace yourselves, guys. Brace yourselves for the most effeminate weak hierarchy on the planet. Don't expect them to back you on anything, don't expect anything from these men except the sacraments. That's all you're gonna get from them, the bare minimum. But not if there's a nasty cold going around, they'll they'll stop happening. And not if you want to kneel. Yeah, if you want to kneel, you're gonna catch a problem. If you want to receive on the tongue, you're gonna catch a problem.

SPEAKER_08 1:42:31

But that's just the men that we're dealing with, and it's the when I was down in the the cities the other weekend for that funeral, um, not for the funeral mass, but for the Sunday Mass, um, which was a novice ordo, you know. Uh they had 10 Eucharistic ministers, so we of course made a scene by going all the way around the church to get to the the priest line, of course, with the last one for the last one in the priest line, uh, because we came from the other side of the church, and and I go up and I kneel in front of him and he jumps back.

SPEAKER_05 1:43:04

He jumps back.

SPEAKER_08 1:43:09

Yeah, I'm just kneeling there with my tongue out, and he goes, he goes to put it on my tongue, and he it's a really hesitant, and he barely gets it there, kind of just drops it, and it just barely catches the tip of my tongue. I'm like, Are you flipping joking me?

SPEAKER_07 1:43:24

That happened to us in Banff. When we went to Banff, the only mass we could go to was a novice order, and it was like uh the whole group I was with, there was there was it was a small, like a small gathering. It wasn't like a big, you know, right. But there was a Eucharistic minister and a priest, and we were all on the side of the church with the Eucharistic minister. We all dude, there was like 15 of us. We all walk around, go to the other side. The the extraordinary minister is just standing there with nobody in line, and we're all just in line for the priest, and every one of us kneel and receive on the tongue. And but he was pretty cool about it. He just kind of you know, he didn't make a scene or anything, he just did what he had to do. It is it's uh, you know, it is what it is. It's like I don't I don't get even the even the the Leo Pachamama thing, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:44:10

I'm just like I don't like once again, what were you guys expecting?

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SPEAKER_07 1:44:15

Yeah, like come on, man. I don't know. It's like nothing, nothing these men do can surprise me at this point. I'm not gonna be shocked by any of it. If anything, uh what's interesting is because when when when the Pachamama thing happened in the Vatican of the Francis, like I thought they just made that up. Like I legit Pachamama, yeah. Like I thought they just made that up. I thought it was like completely out of thin hair and they made it up. But what you see is that I could have come up with a better name than yeah, like dude, I literally thought they just made this thing up, and what I actually see in Leo is that no, these stupid priests have been doing this crap for 30, 40 years, playing with this dumb South American liturgy, not baptizing anybody. Like, it's just so like what even is happening, man. I don't even care though. Like, I the obsession on things like this, I'm just done. I'm done with it. Like the the I see the I see the bigger issue is the one that we've been discussing. I see that's where the dividing line's coming down. I see no purpose in dividing the church at this point. And I actually see it as almost like a a subversion to to point this stuff out, and it all it does is um make people quit like I just like the only thing I want to see is people just live out their Catholic faith at this point, like just do what you have to do to maintain a Catholic life. Because if you're still running after these stories and not discussing the main story, like I I don't know. I I when I see John's Mirac coming after Scott Hahn, like it's not it's not about the Vatican anymore, man. It's just about a deeper issue right now.

SPEAKER_08 1:45:58

We gotta like the church isn't gonna what if if the great apostasy hasn't already happened, when it does happen, it's not gonna be, you know, the the the church asking you to worship Pachamama, it's gonna be the church asking you to build the temple for the Jews, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:16

Something like that, man. It's gonna be so it's gonna be it. It's just I I think we are in in a time where it's just important for all of us to just try to do what we have to do to just be Catholic, wherever that is. I don't know. I'm not judging anybody for where they go. I don't know, just just do the best you can to live back in Catholic faith because I think things are gonna get much worse. It's like if that scandalized you, you're yeah, I don't know if you're built for what's coming, man. It's gonna get it's gonna get way worse. It's just yeah, I don't know, man. Um people asking, Maudsley will be on Saturday. We said that like nine times. Um yeah, I don't know. It's we're just we're just at uh at a crazy time, and and I don't know. I see it as God chose us to be alive during this, and I and I think our role on this show is to keep people in the church, you know. I I think I've seen that for a while now. I think we've both talked about that, where it's like we kind of see our role is not to drum up hatred for the hierarchy, like they these men suck. I don't know, you're not gonna get it. Like, that's it. So the best we can do is just batten down the hatches, be Catholic. And you know, Margot has a point when she says that just be Catholic. What else can you do? Like raise your family's Catholic and just be Catholic because it's oh man. It's when I saw Dolan and Dolan come out and endorse Baron's statement. It's like that's the best of the best. That's what you're gonna get. You're gonna get these lukewarm milktoast statements, you know.

SPEAKER_08 1:48:00

Uh sample with his thing from the USCC. He's supposed to be a good guy, he's one of the he's one of the better ones in the country, too.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:09

All these guys that like you have to get these guys come from the days of the propaganda. Like, we are the younger generation where the propaganda has has worn off a lot. Not for these guys, man. These these guys, they were in the thick of it. Yeah, and they're still holding on to this dead council, just clinging to life to this stuff, and the younger generation has just moved on, even like the even like the annoying Pope splainers, like, even those guys don't care about the council, like they just nobody cares about it anymore, and these guys are just clinging to it, and they're clinging to their no strette, and they're clinging to all this crap. Leo is at the Vatican, and he's talking about Vatican II still. It's like, what freaking world are you men in?

SPEAKER_08 1:48:58

It's bizarre, it's just so weird. Yeah, still hashing out problems, you know, that are from 80 years ago.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:07

It's like well, that's that's what it is. They they think that they think the issues they cared about when they were young are the issues that the young generation now cares about, and they just don't.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:17

Um, I've been told that uh that unfortunately Margot missed your acknowledgement of her because she rage quit the stream about an hour ago. Why?

SPEAKER_05 1:49:29

I don't know why. Is it the hip hop rant? Is that what center flying?

SPEAKER_08 1:49:34

I think it was my mention of eating meat tomorrow or something.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:38

She is so crazy with that stuff, right? She's nuts when you talk about fasting. Yeah, I don't know, guys. I mean, you guys know what we do here. We're not, I'm not looking to drum up any hatred for the hierarchy at this point.

SPEAKER_08 1:49:53

Brian, are you serious about that?

SPEAKER_07 1:49:55

Uh aunt posted a video of a Spanish Lenten penance parade, and it made me Catholic. Are you serious? No, he's not serious, but it would be funny.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:03

Because I saw that I saw that reply, that guy reply to you today, be like, no, please stop the last time you did this. All the boomers went prop boomers on Facebook.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:12

They do it on Facebook. Yeah, people transfer my tweets over to Facebook. I actually I I had a banger today, and I used one of the Spanish perspective. It was like me and the boys heading into Israel to tell Netanyahu to open the Holy Sepulchre. That was great. And it didn't, it didn't do any numbers.

SPEAKER_08 1:50:29

Those are always the ones that just flop.

SPEAKER_07 1:50:31

Yeah, it was my best tweet today, too. The yeah, the the Protestants are just easy to troll. Yeah, I got 3,000 views. Yeah, I I wanted to post uh one of my Protestant trolls. Uh it's got like 1.5 million views on it. I was gonna say, look, I got 1.5 million views, and I didn't have to call my wife a prostitute to get it. He's like he's gonna it's like imagine talking about that for views and clicks and money, and oh these men.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:07

Oh man.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:08

I think deep down he's so ashamed that her her testimony is out there.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:14

I uh I saw I don't know who tweeted it, and I couldn't, I know I couldn't find it again, but someone had like what I thought might be the perfect analysis, and it was more like he's he's gay, uh, or you know, but that's what it all comes down to. He's gay.

SPEAKER_07 1:51:31

Or he gets off on the thought of you know, like that's that's a possibility too. He could just be a cuck who who likes the idea of his wife being permitted. I don't know, man. Like, but look, it's the thing is like we're I'm not even like the guy who's like you need to marry a virgin, like you I don't you know, there's chances are you guys are not gonna find a virgin, but like you don't need to tell the world your wife's pet. Like I it's just bizarre to me to do something like that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 1:51:59

Yeah, believe it or not, guys. You don't need to tell the world your whole life story in that of your spouse.

SPEAKER_07 1:52:06

I know Ant does, but but especially if you guys didn't meet your girl in high school, like your chances are you're not you're not finding uh a squeaky clean pass, but that doesn't that and like I'm not one of those guys who thinks women are irredeemable if they made a mistake or two. It's like you you should find a girl who's made a similar amount of mistakes as you did, you know. It's like yeah, it should be like comparable that way there's gonna be no resentment on either side. Yeah, it's like all right, I made a couple mistakes, you made a couple mistakes, like let's never talk about it, and let's just you know, you move on. Like, that's how I think it should go. It should be like you find somebody who's had like a comparable past to your own. Um, and the wife is not repentant either. Majarian's right, like she's bragging about this stuff. That's that's what's so weird to me. Like, that's why I said at the beginning of the show, like Jason Everett used to do this stuff, man. And and he'd parade his wife out there, and he'd be like, Well, I was a squeaky clean virgin, and my wife did all this stuff. It's like, why are you telling people this?

SPEAKER_08 1:53:02

You are not stopping people from sinning, you might be helping people sin, to be perfectly honest.

SPEAKER_07 1:53:07

Yeah, it's like you're just making people think about your wife, though.

SPEAKER_08 1:53:10

It's so it's one thing I you know, all going to um to to the net stuff, which was like life team. For anyone who doesn't know, it's basically you, you know, you you're all in a gym, you know, you're all 16, 17, 18 boys and boys and girls together in a gym that isn't air conditioned. It's it's in the summer because it's always done in the summer, so it's a hundred degrees in there, and you know, you start with some crappy, stupid, weepy prayer, and then they bring up, you know, an attractive female to tell you about all the all the partying sex and drugs she's had, and then you know, you have the worst mass you've ever experienced in the life in your entire life, and it's like you you're not convincing the best part of that was listening to the attractive woman talk about sex and drugs, like you're not helping me.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:05

You're making you're making like you're trying to compete with that, like you're like, well, like we're gonna present this to you, but like this is what she did. It's like I don't know, that's kind of like following that talk up with Matt Maurer music.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:16

No, it doesn't help.

SPEAKER_05 1:54:18

Oh man, the modern church's evangelism efforts is terrible.

SPEAKER_08 1:54:23

It's the worst in the world.

SPEAKER_07 1:54:26

Um I had something to say from that, I forgot. I'm thinking about like oh man, my brain's misfiring. It was like the long adjuston Everett stuff, just like yeah, I don't know, whatever. All that stuff was just so cringe growing up. Uh all right, we're coming up on two hours. We're gonna wrap this one. We gotta uh so we're gonna do um all right. I got I gotta go deal with some some family stuff. My wife just texted me. All right, we'll wrap this one up. So um we have Father Mosley Saturday. Um what are we doing Thursday? I think we should do another one of these where we do like a half hour on YouTube and then just do mainly locals because like we I want to give the locals side more content. So I'll uh I don't know, this was fun, just like ripping through different topics and like different videos and stuff. We'll do something like this again. I'll find I'll find something for like the main subject on YouTube and then whatever the hell the internet is talking about. We'll do the I kind of I kind of like the the I would like to get that segment of um of the centers conversation up. Okay, get it on YouTube. So maybe we could run that through the scan, you know, the the the the pre-thing and see if we can get that up because I I want that on YouTube. I just don't know if we'll get past uh copyright.

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SPEAKER_08 1:55:51

Yeah, um, for anyone listening, uh obviously I have not gotten back to the Linton meditations at this point. I think I'm gonna wait for Palm Sunday and just do a holy set of holy week meditations.

SPEAKER_07 1:56:04

Do that, like really do that because especially like we're coming up on Palm Sunday and then Holy Week. Like I want to kick it up. Like, really, this is passion, uh passion tide right now, and we all should just kick it up right now, man. You gotta you got a couple days left until Palm Sunday, and then Holy Week is coming. So um, everybody, if you're if you're on your Lenten journey, man, kick it up a notch. Uh it's it's been a it's been a it's been a really fast Lent. I can't believe how quick quick it went. So let's uh yeah, let's kick it up a notch and and and run this thing out with a bang. All right, Rob, take us out, bro.