Christians at War Over Israel | Full Discussion with Sam Shamoun

Christian Zionism sounds “Bible based” until you actually follow the Bible’s own rules for reading the Bible. We start with the claim that many Christians were taught: God still has a separate covenant with Israel, modern return to the land fulfills prophecy, and end times can’t happen without it. Then we put that claim under the light of the New Testament and the result is uncomfortable but clarifying: Christ is the fulfillment of the law and prophets, not a footnote to them.

We walk through the covenant story in detail, from the split of the northern kingdom and the lost tribes to Paul’s argument in Romans 9–11 about God’s promises and the ingrafting of the nations. From there we dig into one of the most fascinating “hidden in plain sight” connections in Scripture: Hosea 2’s betrothal promise, 2 Kings 17’s five nations, and Jesus at the well in John 4. The point isn’t trivia. It’s a blueprint for how fulfillment works in Christ, right now, through the New Covenant.

We also open Isaiah 42 and Isaiah 49 to show the Servant as a light to the Gentiles, given as a covenant, with the coastlands waiting for his Torah, not a continued reliance on Mosaic categories as the final word. Along the way we challenge the fixation on earthly Jerusalem using Galatians 4 and Revelation’s stark language, then land the plane in Matthew’s vineyard parable and Jesus’ warnings about covenant judgment. Whether you’re Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant, if you care about biblical theology, Israel and the Church, end times claims, and how to interpret prophecy without forcing modern politics into the text, you’ll get a lot out of this conversation.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:31

Okay, so Sam and I were just in the green room talking, talking, talking. We almost missed the intro, and Sam almost lost his rumble segment. But um, so uh originally we I was supposed to have Michael Hitchbourne on tonight, and Michael Hitchbourne had to do something with his daughter. He had to drive her to ballet, her car broke down, or something, something happened. So he bailed on me two hours before showtime, and I said, Who would be awesome on this subject? And Sam, you were the first person that came to mind. And I Sam, I've been watching a ton of your stuff on this, and I I I can't I I know once you get going, you're gonna rant, but I have to give you a little bit of a preamble here because yeah, but before you do, brother, according to some of your fans, it's a downgrade because you got Gru, you got your some of your boys manifesting already.

SPEAKER_04 1:20

I thought I was a little better looking than I thought it was Uncle Fester.

SPEAKER_00 1:24

My audience they tend to be quite sarcastic with me, especially. But if you if they make a joke at you, they're not being vicious, they're just breaking chops. But um, so there's been there's been several people I've spoken to over the last couple of years that have really shaped the way I see uh the old testament, the way I understand the relationship between uh Jews and Christians. Um, and one of them is Father Maudsley, one of them is probably Joshua Charles, uh I would say you, and um I'm gonna I'm forgetting somebody, but also Dr. Scott Hahn. Um, and and really getting into getting into some of Dr. Scott Hahn's stuff on Romans 9 through 11 and understanding this topic and and seeing why they call it Zionism instead of Sinaiism, because there's a very big difference in the covenants on Sinai and the covenant on Zion. And the last conversation you and I had, we were getting into the Old Testament, and I asked you about theophanies in the Old Testament, where when some of the Old Testament prophets would say the word of the Lord came to me. I always thought those were theophanies of Christ in the Old Testament, and you took me through where you you showed me how the Trinity was implicit throughout the Old Testament, and once I saw that, I started to understand that Abraham and all of the patriarchs in the Old Testament never saw God the way the Pharisees did. They got like uh Abraham and the patriarchs always knew God was a plurality, and so that when Jesus is speaking to the Pharisees in John 8, and he says to them, If you believed, if you if you believed if you were sons of Abraham, you would love me because Abraham rejoiced in my coming, but you're not sons of Abraham, your father is the devil. That really clicked into place after my conversation with you, and that's when I really started to understand the enmity between those those who reject Christ and those who become Christian. And I think that the the true divide in the church that's coming up is not really between the Novus Ordo and the Latin Mass, and it's not between traditionalism and and synodalism. I really do think the way people understand this issue is going to shape the future of the church, and that's going to be kind of where the divide comes down. Um, and I've heard you discuss this issue in depth quite a bit. I've also seen clips of you breaking down some of the rabbis' twisted interpretations of the scriptures and things like that. So I really thought you'd be a great person to get on for this.

From Dispensationalism To Catholic Questions

New Testament Over Old Testament

SPEAKER_04 4:13

Well, hopefully, because I just want to be clear. I'm learning, relearning, unlearning when it comes to the core of Catholic doctrines. I'm a neophyte. Scott Hahn is one of the greatest Catholic theologians of this century, so I can't hold the candlestick next to him. But one thing that I am aware of is this influence of Christian Zionism because my background. Remember, I came out of first independent fundamental Baptist denomination. When I came back to the faith, I was going to a King James only church. Then I got hooked up with the Moody Bible Institute crowd that's in Chicago because remember, my neck of the woods was Chicago, and they're also dispensationalists, they believe seven-year tribulation, pre-tribulation rapture, and Israel's still God's people, and the church will be taken out, and God will deal with just with Israel for seven years. Then I ended up becoming a Reformed Baptist, Calvinist. And then as I started studying more and more the early church fathers, writers, my whole paradigm shifted, and I am where I am now, so I can speak to these issues from a scriptural perspective. But if someone asked me, well, what does the church teach about Israel? I'm learning as I go along. That's why when you had Michael on last time, I came up and asked questions because I wanted to know is there a unified teaching of the saints, the recognized doctors of the church, the church fathers regarding antichrist and a third temple. So when you want to ask me, I say, keep it scriptural with me, because I'm still learning about the fathers. I haven't even studied the medieval patristics or theologians. I'm still looking at the period leading up to the fifth century, meaning the writers, theologians, fathers, saints, up until the fifth century, because up until the fifth century, we had one unified body, then it went into schism, right? Fifth century, you had Meophysites and the so-called Nestorians. So I can address the issues from a scriptural perspective, and I can say, if you follow the New Testament, and again, we trust the Holy Spirit to bless you and me, brother. You know, I have a habit, I need the Holy Spirit to give me the grace to recall the scriptures, exegete them perfectly, destroy air in me, strengthen my throat because I'm old, my throat's given out. Anthony, I'm not as young and I'm not as ugly as you, but in Jesus' name, may you strengthen my throat with perfect vigor, make my voice pleasing, ears of servants, and bless you. We work together for the glory of Christ. So if you are a New Testament Christian and not an old testament Christian, there is no way follow the New Testament. There is no way you can believe that Israel is still the people of God and that God still has a covenant with Israel that is separate from the covenant that Jesus made with Israel and the nation. There's no way it's possible. Most people who want to prove that Israel is still God's people, they run to the Old Testament, subjugate the New Testament to the Old Testament when it's supposed to be the other way around. The Old Testament is subjugated to the New Testament because Christ is the goal of the law, its fulfillment, completion. He brings out its true meaning. But most people who are still, let's say, Zionists of a Christian type, they run to the Old Testament because they got nothing in the New Testament. Even Romans 11 doesn't support their case if it's properly exegeted. And many people who follow this path, where they subjugate the New Testament, Old Testament, many of them end up leaving Christianity altogether and convert to Judaism, or they embrace what's called the Noahite religion.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

Yeah, which is like uh Messianic Jews, right?

SPEAKER_04 8:15

No, no, the Messianic Jews they'll say we follow Jesus' new covenant, but we want to worship along the lines of the way the rabbis do, but if they keep following this path, it is inevitable they'll end up leaving Christianity and just going back to Judaism.

SPEAKER_00 8:34

Yeah, it's uh it's it's uh it to it's all about a carnal understanding of the scriptures, right? And uh and reading the old testament as if there are still prophecies that have not yet been fulfilled, yeah. But um going through even uh because I heard you talking today about the story of Samuel, well the the book of Samuel, talking about talking about the story of of of David and um and going through all of that. Now for me, understanding that even with like the the term Zionism is a loaded term anyway, it that like it's it's a political term where some people think it means uh just uh having uh just just just believing that the Jews have a right to a homeland, which itself is a problem because when you get into the the the judgment of God at the destruction of the temple, there the judgment is that they're dispersed amongst the nations. Now, this isn't the first time this happened, it happens in the old testament, right? So people that understand that the the Israel is actually Isaac's descendants, and they're 12 tribes that make up Israel, and that is the kingdom of Israel, and that breaks apart, and the northern kingdom splits from the southern kingdom. The southern kingdom is the tribe of Benjamin and the tribe of Judah, and the northern ten tribes get dispersed. Uh well, actually, they break apart. The the northern tribes build their own temple and they start worshiping idols in that temple, and God sends the Assyrians in to destroy that temple. Yeah, so are you Iranian?

SPEAKER_04 10:17

No, actually, well, some people think I'm from Iran because I'm always running. Just kidding with that joke asak. But really, I'm from Iraq because Iraq. No, my ancestors are from Iraq, but I was born in Kuwait. Okay, by the way, let me address just two questions in your comment section. Number one, no, it's not good to use supersession, contrary to what the person said. I'm going with what the Lord said in Matthew 5, 17, 18. I'm using the words of the Lord. He said, Do not think I came to destroy the law and the prophets, but to fulfill, i.e., consummate. That's why I'm using the terminology. I'm using the terminology of the Lord, because if you properly understand the old testament, it was all pointing to Christ, so when he comes, it's fulfilled in him. So that's why I'm using that term because that's the language of our Lord in Matthew 5, 17, 18. Even Romans 10, 4 says that Jesus Christ is the goal. If you look at the word telos, it means that the law was designed to bring you to Christ because he's the goal and the focus of the law. So there is no supersion, it's all fulfillment because it's all pointing to him. Romans 10, verse 4, Matthew 5, 17, 18. And Zionism, real quick. The definition of Zionism that I was taught, because I can't speak for everyone, I'm not the official Protestant Pope. You know, James White is just anyway, but joking aside, uh the definition I was taught is that Israel. Yeah, well, you know, he thinks it's decreed by is Calvinist God. Stop it, Anthony. You're gonna get us in trouble. But the definition of Zionism that I was taught was God's covenant with Israel remains, he has not cut them off entirely, and then he's gonna focus on them when they enter the land. So we took 1948 as fulfillment of prophecy. We were taught there would be no second coming if Israel did not return to the land. 1948 was a big deal for us that fulfilled part of the prophecy, then the church would be taken up, and then for seven years he'd only be dealing with Israel. In fact, I was taught a weird view of dispensationalism that says there would be no church on earth and no Holy Spirit when the church is taken out, and it would revert back to the way God dealt with people prior to Christ, and he'd be sp specifically focused on the Jews. That's what I was taught. Yep, I'm Messiah.

Romans 9 To 11 And Israel

SPEAKER_00 12:57

It is a bit interesting because Jesus does say in Luke that Israel will be trodden underfoot by the Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled. So it in some aspects, the second coming can't happen until the Jews return to the land, because there is some kind of man, it's it's a tricky topic to to broach because it's not like um like God is not done with the Jews entirely. Oh, I saw He's not done with the Jews entirely, right? So we understand when we read these old testament stories, they're all prefigurements and type and type and types, and there's um there's symbolism in Jacob and Esau Esau being born, and the birthright was supposed to go to Esau, and it goes to Jacob. Then Esau wants to kill Jacob. Jacob leaves, and then there's a reunification of those brothers at the end. Same thing happens with Joseph and his brothers. Joseph gets sold into slavery. He's seated at the right hand of the Gentile king, and he's the prince of the Gentile nations, he's a symbol of Christ. Then he gets reunited with his brothers. There's going to be some kind of a reunification of the brothers at the end of time. Um but the way this topic has been handled is that people people are not understanding that that that happens through the Jews coming into the new covenant, not as dealt with a separate covenant. It's is that there's going to be a conversion of Jews at the end of the world. Now, when I when I got into Scott Hahn's Romans 9 through 11 series, what really was striking to me is getting back to the northern kingdom splitting up. And when the Assyrians come in and destroy the northern kingdom, they get dispersed throughout the nations to the point where they're basically Gentiles. Now, there's all these promises in the old in the old testament about God reuniting the 12 tribes of Israel, but those 10 northern tribes are dispersed amongst the Gentile nations so much that it seems like it's impossible for that for God to fulfill that promise. And that's kind of what Paul is dealing with in Romans 9 through 11, where he's talking about the people of God, like has the word of God failed? Like that's that's what he's saying. Has the word of God failed? Because how can we reunite these 12 tribes? But through the new covenant and all of the Gentile nations coming into the new covenant, those people of the 10 northern tribes that were dispersed amongst the Gentiles, when those Gentile nations come into the new covenant, that's how the 12 tribes of Israel are actually reunited. It's not about the southern two tribes of Judah and Benjamin who occupy the land of Israel now, you know, the land of Palestine right now. Those are just the southern two tribes. Those aren't actually that's not Israel. Israel is those the 12 tribes dispersed throughout the nations that come into the new covenant, and that's how God fulfills his promise to reunite the 12 tribes of Israel through Christ.

SPEAKER_04 16:03

By the way, you got a guy, Daryl, who really thinks he knows the Bible. I mean, I think I need to cut him down to size and muzzle him a little bit because he thinks he knows what he's talking about. But pride does go before destruction. So keep manifesting, Daryl. I'm known as the muzzler, the Babylonian muzzler. But coming back to you as this guy starts foaming at the mouth. He had said something years ago that I could not find for the life of me, because it was on a program I heard, and this was still in my Protestant days. He said that there's a promise that was fulfilled in John chapter 4, where Jesus comes to fulfill the promise made in Hosea 2, verses 16 and 20. When he's talking to Samaria in the northern kingdom, he says that I will betroth you to myself, and you'll no longer call me Baali, but you'll call me Ishi because the word Baal in Hebrew can mean husband. He goes, But I want to remove the name of Balim from you, Balim, Baal, because in Hebrew Baal can mean husband, master, lord, but it also refers to the false God. Yeah, they were so enticed in worshiping Baal that God says, I want to even erase that name from you. You're gonna call me Ishi. Ish means male or husband. So you won't call me Bali, but Ishi, my husband, when I betroth you to myself again. That's Hosea 2, 16 to 20. Now he made a very amazing observation. If you go to John 4 and you read, it says that the Samaritan woman, when Jesus says go call your husband, she goes, I don't have an husband. He goes, You you speak the truth, for you've had five husbands, and the one with you now is not your husband. He said, What the Lord was doing here was he was fulfilling the promise in Hosea 2, because the Samaritans were a mixture of five nations, five husbands, worshiping five false gods, they were worshiping five false gods. Yeah, not only five false gods. I want to tell you what I found out because he never gave the reference, so I kept trying to find it and I found it. And he says, The one with you is not your husband. He was speaking about himself. I'm not your husband yet. The five nations that mixed in with the ten tribes, the nine and a half tribes, produced the Samaritans. Now, for the life of me, I wanted to find where did he get five? It's 2 Kings 17, 24. I finally found it. There it says, five nations were brought in, mixed in with the ten tribes, and that mixture created the Samaritans. So, what Jesus was showing is your five husbands that you've had, right? You've had them now, you have no one, but I'm the one who's now going to be your husband, fulfilling Hosea too. So it's not so much waiting for a future fulfillment as it was already fulfilled in Christ coming to the Samaritans and wedding them to himself by virtue of the new covenant.

SPEAKER_00 19:00

In fact, if you can I can I ask you something because my my old testament's a little rusty. Hosea is forced to marry a prostitute, right? Yes, Gomer. Gom Gomer, he marries Gomer, and he and God tells him he has to name his children not my people. Yes. And what what are the kids' names? It's like it's like not my people.

SPEAKER_04 19:19

So uh La Ami, not my people, La Ruchama, right? I won't show compassion. But then later he says, Hosea 110, then he says, Then you will be called the sons of the living God. But then Paul takes Hoseia 110 and applies it to the Gentiles.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

Yeah, so it's like those who are those who are called not my people will be my people.

SPEAKER_04 19:41

Yes, in the context, though, he's talking about the Israelites that he rejected, but he goes, The day will come where he will then make them his people again. But then Paul comes and he takes that passage and applies it to the engrafting of the Gentiles. But if you screen share, because I can't show you. Okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

Yeah, take us on a take us on a scriptural journey.

SPEAKER_04 20:00

Yeah, well, that's what I'm waiting for to do with your permission, Mister. I follow your lead, homie.

SPEAKER_00 20:05

Take us away, brother.

Hosea Fulfilled At The Well

SPEAKER_04 20:06

I follow your lead, Holmes, because you know we have to follow Rome. Assyria, my empire crumbled. You're Roman, dude, you're Italian, ain't you? Let's do it. Let's do it right here. So let's go here to what I got, but I couldn't find the passage for the life of me. But here it is. Second Kings 17 is when the king of Assyria attacked Samaria and then depopulated Samaria and brought in five nations, and those nations mixed in with the Israelites creating the Samaritans. Here are let's count. Let me change the translation. Oh, we don't play that, Holmes. Uh, let's change translation. I only use like a standard Bible because it uses a form of the divine name. Now count how many nations. Now, is my screen large enough? Let me see. Hey, where am I at? I'm on the wrong page. Oh my goodness, I'm so stupid, brother. Sorry, I shared the wrong. You know it is, you know, but you know, Assyrians, man, we were dropped on our heads. Oh, we bounced right back up. All right, 2 Kings 17, 24. Here it is. This is the context when Israel's depopulated with foreign nations, and then eventually they became the Samaritans. Now count how many. And the king, sorry, my throat of Assyria brought men from Babylon, one, from Kutha, two, from Ava, three, from Hamath, four, and Zafaraim, five. Settled them in the cities of Samaria in place of the sons of Israel. So they possessed Samaria, lived in that city. So how many? Five. Okay. What's the promise of God? Hosea two, sixteen and twenty. Now, this insight was from Scott Hahn, but he never mentioned the verse. And it took me, I think, over six years to finally make the connection. And it will be in that day. And he's talking about Samaria, by the way. Declares Yahweh that you will call me Ishi and will no longer call me Bali. So I'll remove the names of Baals from her mouth, so that they will be remembered by their names no more. And that day I will cut a covenant for them. So here's the covenant with the beasts of the field, the birds of the sky, the creeping things of the ground, and I'll break the bow, the sword, and war from the land, and I'll make them lie down in security, and I'll betroth you to me forever. And yet I'll betroth you to me in righteousness and in justice and lovely kindness and compassion. I'll betroth you to me in faithfulness, then you'll know Yahweh. Now, when was this fulfilled? Doesn't need to wait 2,000 years later. John 4. Why do you think our Lord deliberately went to Samaria? Because the Jews would avoid Samaria and go around, take the long way to get to Jerusalem. He goes right through Samaria and he speaks to a woman. So let's go here when he says, if you knew who was asking for a drink, you'd ask him and he'd give you living water. So he says to her in 13. Jesus answered and said to her, Everyone who drinks of this water will thirst again. Whatever drinks of the water that I will give him will never thirst ever. But the water that I'll give him will become in him a well of water, spring up to eternal life. The woman said to him, Sir, give me this water, so I'll not be thirsty, nor come back here to draw. He said to her, Go, call your husband and come back here. Now watch how Scott Han make the connection. He's absolutely right. The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Exactly. Jesus said to her, You have correctly said, I have no husband. For you've had five husbands, the five nations that created Samaria. And the one who's present is not her husband yet.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

That's right. Like the one who's with you now is not your husband yet. Is not your husband.

SPEAKER_04 24:00

To betroth you to myself to fulfill my covenant. So we don't need to wait 2,000 years, brother. He started it when he came and went deliberately to the Samaritans to then engraft them back into covenant relationship with sin. But what's the covenant? It's the new covenant, not the old covenant.

SPEAKER_00 24:18

Yes, it's the new covenant, and this goes to the these are the this is a northern tribe that gets dispersed into Samaria and mixed in with all these other nations so that they lose their identity and they become Gentiles, right? So what so Paul, this is the whole the whole setup for Romans 9 through 11, where he's saying, like, uh, no, God has not the word of God has not failed. What God is doing in this new covenant and building up this new temple is bringing these lost tribes that are dispersed amongst the nations. And and it's people uh that read this the woman at the well story now may not understand how much vitriol there is between Jews and Samaritans at this time. Like the Samaritans are heretics, like they still have a little bit of like I think they still have the the five books of Moses, but they're mixed in with all these other idols and stuff like that. So Jesus for Jesus to even go and speak to her should defile him, right? That's well, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:20

That's what says it's in John 4. He says that Jews don't speak to Samaritans. That's why she says, You ask me here. I'll show it to you. But first of all, to confirm what you're saying, one of the worst insults, one of the worst insults. Some of your guys on your comment section, man. They I don't know if they think that's not gonna read that.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

I don't, I'm not even looking at that. I'm focusing on my conversation with you.

SPEAKER_04 25:43

You're focused on me, man. Let me manifest. One of my when I'm saying some of these jokes, and you claim to be Catholics, man. Please say that you're Muslim.

SPEAKER_00 25:53

Chill out in the comments. I want to I want to listen to Sam take us on the trip.

SPEAKER_04 25:57

She had five body counts. Is that how you talk about a woman that Jesus comes to honor and marry? You low life. If I say that about your family members, would you appreciate it? But the Lord rebuke you anyway. Anyway, here to confirm what you're saying, Anthony, that the worst thing for a Jew is to come into contact with Samaritan. To insult you, they called you a Samaritan because look what they call Jesus. The Jews answered and said to him, Do we not say rightly that you are a Samaritan and have a demon? You see how calling someone a Samaritan is just as bad as an insult saying you have a demon. Yeah, that's how much the Jews and Samaritans hated each other. In point of fact, to confirm further what you said about Jews and Samaritans have no dealings, let's go to Twitter. John 4 7, Jesus did two things that overturn social taboos because it was considered beneath a rabbi to even talk to a woman. Number one, let alone a Samaritan woman. So, what Jesus is doing is he's destroying taboos, he's destroying these categories in which people are classified and looked down upon depending on their gender or their race. He's destroying all those taboos, destroying all this marginalization, because he's come to make all peoples one new man in him. So look here. A woman of Samaria came to draw water. Jesus said to her, Give me a drink. For his disciples had gone away into the city to buy food. Therefore, the Samaritan woman said to him, How do you, being a Jew, ask for a drink for me? Being a Samaritan woman here, Paul, John, I'm sorry, explains. For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans. So Jesus is deliberately, Jesus is deliberately overturning these social taboos and a quote unquote caste system, and he's saying, The hell with all of it, because I came to save the whole world, all classes of people, all genders, which is only two, male and female, all types, great, small, free, slave, male, female, Samaritan, they're all gonna be one in me because he's the God of all flesh.

SPEAKER_00 28:19

But uh, and there's and there's something else going on here, too, that I think there's this tendency to think that um when Jesus came because the Jews didn't accept him, like the default was all I guess we'll bring the message to the Gentiles, but no, from its inception, what Christ is doing is coming to form a covenant with the nations, like this is inherent. It's when when when Jesus uh talks about um a grain of wheat must fall to the ground, I think it's in John, maybe John 8. Um, uh like the it's it's when the when the Greeks want to come and talk to him, Jesus says, My hour has come, unless a grain of wheat falls to the ground. Might be John 14 or something, but John 12.

SPEAKER_04 29:02

My hour is not to come yet. In other words, you'll have your time, and that goes with the parable, which I want to break down because they bring a lot of good points. But I'm trying to give you receipts from scripture.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

Yeah, go ahead. You take me.

Isaiah’s Servant And A New Torah

SPEAKER_04 29:12

First of all, what you said about the covenant that the Jews rejecting Jesus didn't mean he went to plan B. I'm gonna use Old Testament to prove this. You ready? But before, I want to show you that Jesus has the Samaritans in mind in his very heart, because right before he ascends into heaven, watch this, Acts 1.8. Right before he ascends into heaven, he says to them Acts 1.8, but you'll see power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you shall be my witness both in Jerusalem and all Judah and Samaria, and even to the ends of the earth. So before he leaves, he tells them, You're gonna start in Jerusalem, that's where you are. You're gonna go to Judea, but you better go to the Samaritans, because I've come to betroth them to myself, fulfill my promise, then the ends of the earth. Now, how do I know that the Gentiles was in plan B because of the rejection of the Jews? It's in their old testament, buddy. Isaiah 42, right? We're gonna read, and then Isaiah 49. I'm gonna read here, but let me go all the way to uh yeah, I think seven. That's all I need. But let me first show you that this is applied to Christ. Isaiah 42 is applied to Christ, so people don't think I'm just lying, and then you even have Jewish expositors saying it's about Messiah. Look what Jesus fulfilled, Matthew 12, 15 and 21. But Jesus, aware of this, withdrew from there. Many followed him, and he healed them all and warned them not to make him known, in order that what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet would be fulfilled, saying, Behold, my servant. So, what did Jesus fulfill? The prophecy of Isaiah, whom I have chosen, my beloved, and whom my soul is well pleased. I'll put my spirit upon him, and he'll shall proclaim justice to the Gentiles. He'll not quarrel nor cry out, nor will anyone hear his voice in the streets. Excuse me, a battered greed he'll not break off, and a smoldering wick he will not put out until he leads justice to victory, and in his name the Gentiles will hope. So, Isaiah, over 700 years before Christ, says the servant is for the nations and the Gentiles to turn to him and hope in him. But now let's go through the before you do.

SPEAKER_00 31:27

Let me jump in because I think when we read the New Testament and we see these Old Testament quotes thrown in, we have a tendency to think that the New Testament writers, whether it's Paul or any of the gospel writers, are just randomly like trying to fit in an old testament prophecy. But no, they're not just like like fitting it in, they know this stuff so well and they're seeing it fulfilled in Christ. So they're giving you something to get there really needs to be a Bible that when there's an old testament quote thrown in that you can click it and then it takes you to Isaiah 42, one through seven to see where where that actual comes from so that you can see the fulfillment.

SPEAKER_04 32:05

Yep, that's why if you have Bible studies with notes, they'll give you cross-references. So if I were to go here and I do this, your wish is my command. You go cross references, boom, and it'll tell you right here, Isaiah 42. And you go down, look at the cross references, Matthew 12, 18, and 21. It's right there, brother. Shoot, use your technology, man. What's up with you? But let's go to Isaiah 42. Watch this. Not only is Isaiah prophesy, the servant will make a covenant with the nations, it says he's gonna bring a new Torah. A new Torah is what I want you to pay attention. Verse 4 says, the Isles will trust in his Torah. Very important. Yeah, uh, brother Christian Wagner is way off about the angel of the Lord. He doesn't know what to say.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

We're gonna do that after.

SPEAKER_04 32:58

I'm just gonna say he's an amateur. Don't make him more than he is before he gets humbled because of your mouth. Isaiah 42, because the early church said Christ is the angel. What you heretics say later, that's on you. But anyway, Isaiah 42. Behold, my servant whom I uphold, my chosen one, and whom my soul is well pleased. I put my spirit upon him, he will bring forth justice to the nation, not just Israel. He will not cry out or raise his voice, nor make his voice heard in the street. A crushed reed he will not break, and a fainting burning wick he'll not extinguish. Now, watch what it says, he'll bring forth justice and truth. He'll not be faint or crushed until he has established justice in the earth, and the coastlands will wait expectantly for his law. You see, he comes with a law who not Moses, but the servant. Let me show you what the word is in Hebrew. You don't even need to know Hebrew. All you do is go online, pay for internet, or use your neighbor's internet if you're that cheap, right? And you go right here, right? So you guys manifest in the comment section. Like I said, I'm the Babylonian muzzler. I will shut your mouths up because you're amateurs, you guys. Repent, pride goes before destruction. So now let me show you. That's why you need me. I'm your bad cop, Mister. Not Rob. Rob is too much, too soft. Bring me on, bro. I'll be an enforcer. Okay, now you see right here. Ulla Torah. Torah to now you click here. What's the word? Oh, it's Torah, friend. Torah. So Isaiah announced the nations won't follow the Torah of Moses. They're gonna follow the Torah of the servant. But who's that servant? Not done yet. Unpack this, Jesus. So if you are a Christian, you have no business trying to force Christians to follow the law of Moses. You follow the law of Jesus, and insofar as those aspects of the Mosaic law are still enjoined upon us by Christ, we follow them. But about the nations, thus says the God Yahweh. Thus says the God Yahweh, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and its offspring, who gives breath to the people on it, and spring spirit to those who walk in it. I am Yahweh, I've called you in righteousness. I will also take hold of you by the hand and guard you. I will give you as a covenant, not old covenant, he's the covenant.

SPEAKER_00 35:36

See that? Oh, that's oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 35:38

I will give you as a covenant to the people as a light to the nations. Where does the old testament say he's only for the Jews? Here it is in Isaiah, he's not just for Jews, and I gotta show you Isaiah 49. The nations will embrace his covenant, they'll embrace his law, not the law of Moses, the law, the covenant of Moses to open blind eyes, bring out prisoners of the dungeon, and those inhabit darkness from the prison. Now, watch this, and if I show you who applies this to themselves, you'll be shocked. Because this teaches what the Catholic and the Orthodox churches believe communion of saints, intercession of saints, right? But watch, let's do it systematically. This too is about the servant. This too is about the same servant, but his name here is Israel. Does that mean the nation? Follow with me closely. Listen to me, O coastlands, and pay attention, you peoples of farm afar. Yahweh called me from the womb, from the body of my mother. He made my name to be remembered. He has set my mouth like a sharp sword, in the shadow of his hand, he has concealed me. He has also set me as a select arrow, he has hidden me in his quiver. He said to me, You are my servant Israel. Now, if you stop here, you're gonna think it's a nation, right? Because he says, That's my servant Israel. Now count with me, Anthony. I'm not that good as at math, so I need a little help. You are my servant Israel, in whom I will show forth my beautiful glory. But I said, I have toiled in vain, I've spent my might for nothing in vanity. Meaning, it seems like all my efforts are useless because they're not listening. Yet surely the justice due to me is with Yahweh, my reward is my God. Now pay attention, his name is Israel, right? See that, right, Anthony? Yeah, count with me. So now says Yahweh for me from the womb to be a servant, to return Jacob back to him, so that Israel might be gathered to him. How many Israels are there now?

SPEAKER_02 37:50

Two.

SPEAKER_04 37:51

Oh, so this is not the nation, it's a person.

SPEAKER_00 37:55

He's talking about the twelve tribes.

SPEAKER_04 37:59

Right?

SPEAKER_00 37:59

So return Jacob, which Jacob becomes it becomes Israel.

SPEAKER_04 38:05

So who is this Israel that Israel gathered? How many Israels are there?

SPEAKER_00 38:10

Well, well, Jacob becomes Israel. So now we're talking about two different people here, right?

SPEAKER_04 38:16

No, no. Jacob and Israel is referring to their father. They'll okay, they're either called Jacob or Israel interchangeably in Isaiah. That's not the argument. The argument, what I'm trying to get you to look at, is here the servant is Israel, and it says to him, his servant, you will gather Israel. How many Israels are there?

SPEAKER_00 38:40

I mean, there's one, there's one, right? What do you mean?

SPEAKER_04 38:44

Okay, Anthony, I thought I was the one who said no, you gotta know what you gotta get here. You are my servant Israel, yeah, in whom I will show forth my beautiful glory. But I, the servant Israel, said, I've toiled in vain, I've spent my might for nothing in vanity. Yet surely the justice due to me is with Yahweh, my Lord with my God. So now says Yahweh, who formed me from the womb to be a servant. So who's speaking now? Forn me from the womb to be a servant. Speaking about Christ. Well, let's not read Christ into it yet. Okay, in the context, who's speaking? You know, I got six hours, Anthony, so I'll stay here for another second.

SPEAKER_00 39:24

Listen, Yahweh, Yahweh speaking. No, come on, take me through. Like I'm like, I'm gonna help you. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 39:31

I ask, listen, I can give you a fish and feed you for a day, or teach you a fish and feed you for for life. Yeah, it's I'm walking with you, brother, to make you think. Get you some coffee, Holmes, because I need some. Let's follow the pronouns. Listen to me, okay. Oh coastlands, pay attention, you people from afar. Yahweh called me from the womb. So it's not Yahweh speaking. Who's speaking?

SPEAKER_02 39:57

Oh, his servant.

God’s Care For The Nations

SPEAKER_04 39:58

His servant from the body of my mother, he made my name to be remembered. Notice it's the same speaker. He has set he, Yahweh. Yahweh is the he set my mouth like a sharp sword, and the shadow of his hand, he has concealed me. Me is the servant whom Yahweh has concealed, right? Yeah, and he has also set me as a select arrow, he has hidden me in his quiver. Now, what that means is I'm going to be his agent of judgment. Yahweh will send me to judge arrow. I'm his arrow that he shoots at the wicked in order to destroy them. So he's God's agent of judgment and salvation. You understand the metaphor? He said, Who said, Yahweh said to me, You are my servant Israel, and whom I shall for shall will show forth my beautiful glory. But I said, I now who's speaking? The servant, I have toiled in vain, I have spent my might for nothing in vanity, yet surely the justice due to me is with Yahweh, and my war with my God. So now says Yahweh, who formed me. So who's speaking now?

SPEAKER_00 41:14

Still the servant.

SPEAKER_04 41:15

But what's his name over here?

SPEAKER_00 41:16

The servant's name is what servant's name is Israel.

SPEAKER_04 41:19

For me from the womb to be a servant, to return Jacob back to him, so that Israel might be gathered to him.

SPEAKER_00 41:25

That I might be gathered back to him.

SPEAKER_04 41:27

No, that's the point.

SPEAKER_00 41:29

He doesn't that the nation will be gathered back.

SPEAKER_04 41:32

Oh, so we got two. That's what I want you to get.

SPEAKER_00 41:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 41:35

So you have an individual, his name is Israel, who will save the nation, Israel. Two. I want you to get that.

SPEAKER_00 41:48

Yeah, so it's so the sir. So he is the servant Israel who is going to return Israel, the nation, back to Yahweh.

SPEAKER_04 41:54

Yes. Now, why is that important? Because we know Jesus is an Israelite, he's physically Jewish. Romans 9 4 to 5 says, according to his flesh, he is an Israelite. Yeah, and Romans 9 4 to 5 says, here, let me show you real quickly. That's the context of what happened with God's covenant with Israel. Look, Romans 9 4 to 5. Who are Israelites? To whom belongs the adoption of sons, and the glory in the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the temple service and the promises. Whose are the fathers? So, in other words, it's counting all the privileges and blessings given to the Israelites. Look at the blessings. They're the first people adopted to be a sons. They saw the divine glory on the mountain. They were given the covenants, the law, and the temple service, and the promises was made to them, and the fathers are theirs. And the last and greatest blessing from whom is the Christ according to the flesh. And not only is he an Israelite, he is God over all, blessed forever. In other words, look at how blessed this nation is that this nation not only had all these blessings, God became a Jew, a physical Israelite. Talk about a blessing. And of all the peoples, when God chose to become man from the Holy Virgin, the Theotokos, the Queen, he chose a Jewish woman so he could become a physical Israelite. God became a physical Jew, and they still are not written.

SPEAKER_00 43:33

You gotta think of like Paul's mind as this stuff, like as he's having these revelations, and and and the scriptures are coming alive to him, and he's seeing these things that his heart's gotta be leaping out of his chest. Like he's gotta just be like he's writing, he's writing just so like matter of factly that like we're just supposed to get this, but it's such a Deep thing that he's getting at here, right? Like it's so profound what he is saying here.

SPEAKER_04 44:07

And to prove your point, he breaks out in praise right here. This is a doxology.

SPEAKER_00 44:12

By the way, who is God over all, blessed forever? Amen. Like Paul, Paul is like losing his mind. When I read Paul, sometimes I try to put myself in in that in that spirit of just like of his mind, like the revelations he's having. That's why he talks about being caught up to the fourth heaven, the third heavens. And he's like, Man, I has not seen nor ear heard what God has in store for us. I can't tell you people what we have.

SPEAKER_04 44:40

You got it. He's he's getting elated as he's recounting the blessings. Israel, he then considers the greatest blessing. My God, the God of creation, became a Jew, a physical Israelite, and he breaks out in praise. He's ecstatic. By the way, Ash Maize is a former Orthodox Jew who's now a devout Catholic. He's got an excellent website, destroying the rabbis. You should have him on. Ashes. Ash Mise, if you come to his channel, he'll see you. So now, so is Jesus Israel? Yeah. Yeah. But he saves a nation called Israel. Now, where am I going with this? Already 700 years before the birth of our Lord, he's already speaking prophetically. Because if you now are convinced the speaker is Jesus, then who's speaking in Isaiah 49? Jesus. I mean Jesus was speaking in the Old Testament in his pre-human existence.

SPEAKER_00 45:38

Yeah. So there's a cross. This is why John is so in like in emphatic that like all things are created through him. Yep. Like he is the word, he is the logos. All these things are created through him.

SPEAKER_04 45:55

Yep. Now, what's the point of the what we're getting at? That already in the old testament, the salvation of the nations was not plan B. Note, brother. So now we see the one speaking is that individual called Israel, right? Who formed me from the womb to be a servant, right? That was the servant Israel speaking, right? Right. Okay. To return Jacob back to him, so that Israel might be gathered to him. For I'm glorified in the sight of Yahweh, my God is my strength. Now look what God says to him. Listen, Anthony. God says to him, He says, It is too small a thing, you should be my servant. You're greater than that, you're bigger than that. To merely raise up the tribes of Jacob, to cause the preserved ones of Israel to return. I will also give you as a light of the nations, so that my salvation may reach the end of the earth. Already from the beginning, God sent forth the Messiah to save the world. It's right here.

SPEAKER_00 46:54

Sometimes, like um, we forget how how how big of this how big the story is. Like, and how how how just how intricately detailed God was, and and what he's saying there is it's not enough for me to just give you the to give you Israel. Like the entire world must glorify you. You are too much to just be my servant.

SPEAKER_04 47:18

Yep, you're much greater and bigger than that. Right now, watch here. Now, watch the covenant again. You remember Isaiah 42? The same servant, my servant whom I pulled, he says to him, and the coastlands will trust in your law, your Torah. And then here he says, I will give you as a covenant for the people. So the covenant that the people must enter into is his covenant, not Moses' covenant. Notice the language again.

SPEAKER_00 47:49

Oh, they say the internet freezes up sometimes. Wait, go back up, back up, Sam. You you froze up for a sec. For me, I don't know if it was for everybody for me.

SPEAKER_04 47:58

Where did you lose me?

SPEAKER_00 47:59

Uh, when you uh you said you had something highlighted. What did you have?

SPEAKER_04 48:03

Uh what I was saying here, Isaiah 42.

SPEAKER_00 48:06

Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 48:07

I said, see the same servant, right? My servant, same servant, Isaiah 49, right? Because when I ask you, I gotta make sure you're because I can't know. I don't read your great, bro. Shoot, but my servant, right? Uh my I have an imaginary friend, Anthony. His name is Antonio. Can you hear me? I hear you. Okay, because I'm not looking at you, I'm looking at the screen. So when I say my servant, I don't hear you.

SPEAKER_00 48:36

Oh, you are okay, okay. My servant is Christ.

SPEAKER_04 48:39

I love this brother. I know he wants to purge me because I got a lot of issues and sins, and he wants to make sure I spend less time in purgatory. But Antonio, not like this, because we got Wagnerites manifesting in the comment section.

SPEAKER_00 48:51

Don't worry about the Wagnerites. I'm we're gonna make peace, all right, baby.

Earthly Jerusalem Versus Heavenly Jerusalem

SPEAKER_04 48:54

I'm the Babylonian hustler, Holmes. We're gonna make peace with the brothers, man. Okay, now this is the same servant of Isaiah 49, right? Yes, okay. What did God say about this servant? You will be a covenant to the people, they will trust in your Torah. Notice the same language as in Isaiah 49. You will be a light to the nations. Now, let's see if it's the same language, Isaiah 49, 6. He says, It is too small a thing that you should be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob to cause the perverse preserved ones of Israel return. I will also give you as a light of the nations, same servant, Isaiah 42, Isaiah 49. They do the same things. Bring God's salvation to the ends of the earth, a light of salvation to the nations, and also a covenant. Here it is. Thus says Yahweh, in acceptable time I have answered you, and a day of salvation I've helped you, and I will guard you and give you for a covenant of the people. Same language. So already, over 700 years, right? Over 700 years before the birth of our Lord, right? God announced that the servant will save the world, all nations, they will have to accept his law and covenant. Right?

SPEAKER_01 50:29

Right.

SPEAKER_04 50:31

You see? So what's there is no plan B.

SPEAKER_00 50:36

No, there's not not only is not only is there no plan B, but when you're reading this without seeing that it's fulfilled in Christ, what what you have is a people who are still waiting for some messianic figure to come and fulfill these, and they've already been fulfilled. That's that's that's that's the dangers of Zionism specifically, is that they read these when they read Psalm 2 and they read about uh uh uh God bringing uh his son on on the mountain mount of Zion, and he will crush the nations like like a potter's clay and rule them with an iron rod. Like this is all a fulfillment in Christ, and they're all waiting for that to still happen.

SPEAKER_04 51:22

So, my point again to go back to what you're saying, there is no plan B. Messiah was already said to be the savior of the ends of the earth, and that the reason why he comes to Israel, because they were given the promises first, but Israel was meant to be the light to bring the Gentiles to God. This is why in Exodus 19, 5 to 6 he says, the whole nation is a kingdom of priests. Well, what do priests do? Intercede for others. Well, if the whole nation were priests, that meant they were supposed to be those who would intercede for the salvation Gentiles. But what's the message of the Old Testament? When the Israelites kept turning to other gods, what they did was they caused the nations not to want to serve their God. Because after all, if I'm a Babylonian and you're an Israelite, you come and worship my God. You know what you're telling me?

SPEAKER_00 52:16

Your God is my God's no big deal, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 52:19

Yeah, because if he's a big deal, why are you running to my gods? So this is why God is angry with them. You keep embarrassing me and shaming me because instead of standing out, you're gonna dress different, eat different, worship different to move them to jealousy to want to know why you're different. You run to their gods, making me look like nothing in their eyes, and now I had to constantly punish you. And now that you dropped the ball, I gotta now do it myself by becoming an Israelite and bringing the light of my salvation to the ends of the earth.

SPEAKER_00 52:50

And even in their punishment, where God disperses them amongst the nation, like Israel's command was always to bring the nations to God, right? Their command was always for them to bring the nations to God. So even in their punishment, and even when they do what they want to do and not what God wants them to do, God still uses them to bring the nations back to him. It's like there they're even today when you see when you see the some of some of the wicked men in the hierarchy and they think they have their own designs, the things that they do, they think they're doing to their own ends, and God will use them to do his will in the end, no matter what. Like it's going to all work to God's providence in the end, even when they are working against him, he will still use it and write straight with that crooked line.

SPEAKER_04 53:44

Yep. So to answer your question, don't forget what your question was. When people think that the Jews' rejection of Jesus is what forced God to go to plan B. No, he said it from the beginning. Yeah, that he will save the nations, but the promises are to the Jews first, not to the Jews only. Yeah, the Jews first. Now, though, when they reject Christ, all the more his focus will be on the nations, all the more, not plan B. They're already incorporated in the plan of salvation, but now that they reject Jesus, all the more his focus will be on the nations. That's a message of Paul. So that's that question.

SPEAKER_00 54:23

Even even their denial is uh, I mean, that is the story of the whole old test. It's like um peep people that still say that that the Jews are God's chosen people, it's it's as if they've never really read the scriptures and they don't see the story. The entire story is about Israel disobeying God, right? And even when you get into the New Testament, the entire story, the main antagonist are the Jews against Christ. They're the main antagonists. It's like how you're you're you're still uh attributing them to be God's chosen people when uh it's it's like Jesus' entire mission is uh is there is pitted against the ones who deny it. There's two Judases amongst the apostles. There's two Judases, one who so that's the tribe of Judah. One accepts Christ and one who betrays Christ. Like the in in within the 12 apostles, you have the story written out that one will follow and one will betray, which shows you that the early Christians were Jews, right? They the early Jews do accept Christ, and there's a schism, there's a schism that happens, and some accept and some don't.

SPEAKER_04 55:36

Brother, let me let me show you that the old testament is one of the most honest historical records because if you're going to write a book and you want to make yourself look great, then the Jews drop the ball. Because, as you said, just start in Exodus. That whole first nation generation didn't enter the promised land except Joshua and Caleb. If you read Exodus, that generation that came out, none of them entered except Joshua and Caleb. It was their children who then grew up and they entered, not even Moses entered. Yeah, so their wickedness, their rebellion, their stiff-necked heart already outlined the moment he brings them out of Egypt into the um into the wilderness. They don't enter, only Joshua and Caleb. Everyone else dies as punishment for their rebellion, even Moses, they don't even enter. Then you go read Judges and you see the entire story of Judges is Israel turns to worship gods and goddesses, commits sexual morality and perversion. God sends the Ammonites, the Moabites, you name it, to punish them. They cry out to God, restores him, and go back to their filth again. Not only that, if I read some of the descriptions of the Old Testament, the way the prophets describe Israel, if I didn't prostitute, yeah. Well, if I didn't tell you as an Israelite, you'd think anti-Semitic, you're right, racist, blood libel. For example, Isaiah 1, he calls them Sodom Gomorrah. Ezekiel 16, Ezekiel says that Judah and Israel are so wicked and immoral, they make Sodom blush.

SPEAKER_01 57:19

Yes, yeah.

The Vineyard Parable And The Kingdom

SPEAKER_04 57:20

Ezekiel 23, one of the most graphic statements in scripture describing Judah and Israel as two sisters that went whoring around for their lovers, the nations and their gods. He says about one of them, Ezekiel 23, 20. Read it, don't make didn't make it up. He says, He likens them to a woman who was excuse me, who is so enamored by the size of the genitals of her lover, whose semen was like that of horses. Their genital was the size of a donkey, and their semen was like that of horses. That's how graphic the language is from God. Yeah, but now let me flip it over. Do you know the same Bible says that God did for the nations what he did for Israel? I'll give you an example. If I were to ask the average Christian, the Jew, who's God's people? They'll tell me Israel. Now, Anthony, watch here. This is Isaiah, not me. Isaiah 19, 23, 25. And that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrians will come into Egypt, and the Egyptians into Assyria, the Egyptians will worship with the Assyrians, and that day Israel will be the third party with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing in the midst of the earth, whom Yahweh of hosts has blessed, saying, Blessed Egypt, my people. When's the last time you heard the Jews tell you that Isaiah said the Egyptians are God's people?

SPEAKER_00 58:41

Yeah, right. I've never, I don't this is the first time I've even paying attention to this.

SPEAKER_04 58:46

Not only that, Assyria, the work of my hands, and Israel my inheritance. When's the last time?

SPEAKER_00 58:52

Assyria is God's tool to bring judgment. That's why the Old Testament.

SPEAKER_04 58:57

Why do you think I said I'm the Babylon Muslim, Muslim dogs are manifesting? You see, but you get the point? I'm Assyrian, by the way. But notice God said these three peoples will be a blessing in the midst of the earth, not just Israel. And he says, Egypt, they're my people, the Africans. Why isn't this not quoted by Christian Zionists or Jews?

SPEAKER_00 59:18

But let me give you a few.

SPEAKER_04 59:46

So how can you be a New Testament Christian and think the seed is the nation when Paul says it's Jesus? That's Galatians 3. We can get there, but I want you to see this also. That's why I tell you the Old Testament is so fair, unbiased, impartial. Look what God says in Amos. Are you not as the sons of Ethiopia to me, O sons of Israel? Brother, when's the last time an Israelite showed you that God says the Ethiopians and you are alike in my eyes? You're the same.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:16

Yeah, that's interesting. I wonder if there's any connection to that and Philip speaking to the Ethiopian.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:23

Yes. Brother, is this guy Evangel? Is he like uh Christian Wagner's uh secretary?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:29

Because the dog I'm not even watching the chat. I don't even know what's going on.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:32

Hey guys, do me a favor. Can you send him to Christian Wagner? Because the dog's not here to learn. He wants to stick up for his love.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:37

Hey guys, who cares about this though? Listen to the show. Like, are you guys not getting anything from this?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:42

Like, we're getting into some Yeah, no, but brother, he's not here to learn. He's got a beef that I called out Christian Wagner for his unhistorical, unbiblical views of the angel lord.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:51

He's manifesting because we're going, but first of all, let I want everybody to know we're going to discuss the angel of the Lord later. Like, so if you guys want to know what that's about, we're gonna discuss it later. Sit and learn something because yeah, man, don't get Christian. We need we need to have a depth of understanding of the old testament, and we don't, and it's good to sit and listen to somebody who knows it well.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:13

Yeah, what the F? This is how you speak, you guys. Man, you guys are filthy.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:16

Well, ocean Ocean 17. We'll give him a little leeway.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:19

We'll give him a little room, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:20

Because you know, leeway 17-year-old kids, dude.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:24

Stop trying to cause a beef between the guy and me, unless he charges you$514 to be part of his apostolate. Because I have no respect for him, which you're gonna be honest. When he went on a Muslim channel, Muslim metaphysician, to attack me, and he's a Trinitarian. Then to me, I have no respect. He's a clown, and you guys want a beef? Listen, shut your mouth before I have to muzzle you guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:47

Yeah, sorry, but just stop with it anyway, because if anything, like come on, blessed are the peacemakers. Amen.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:52

I'm trying to keep peace. Now, I just want you to know, brother, why I don't like him too much. I'm just gonna let you know, we're gonna end it here. He went on a Muslim channel to attack me on my views on the Trinity, and he's supposedly a Catholic. That's why I have no respect for him, and I'll put him in his place anytime. But let's come back here. So, you docs keep manifesting because you're not learning, that's why you're stupid, guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:12

Just sit, just sit and listen to the thing. Come on, knock it off. All right, let's go. Take take me into Amos.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:16

Now let's go here. Down, down, girl. All right, now here. Are you not as the sons of Ethiopia to me, oh sons of Israel? So God just said the Ethiopians and the Israelites are the same in his eyes, yeah. But now watch this. Have I not brought up Israel from the land of Egypt and the Philistines from Kaftor and the Arameans from Kerr? Did you understand? God just said, I ransomed the Philistines from Kaftor and the Arameans from Kerr, not just you. Yeah, but wait, I thought God only redeemed Israel. But he just said, I'm the one who redeemed Philistines from Kaftor, and I brought up Arameans from Kerr, like I did you out of Egypt. This old testament. Now watch this though. Deuteronomy 2 48. And command the people saying, You're going to pass with the territory of your brothers, the sons of Esau, who live in Seer, and they'll be afraid of you. So be very careful. Do not provoke them, for I will not give you any of their land. Who don't provoke the sons of Esau, the one whom God rejected as part of the covenant? But he's warning them, don't you mess with his descendants? Why I will not give you any of their land, even Zulu Footstep, because I have given Mount Sierra to Esau as a possession. Why is God warning the Israelites, don't you mess with the sons of Esau? I gave them the land. Really? Hmm. You shall buy food from them with money, so that you may eat. You shall also bargain with them for water with money, so that you may drink. For Yahweh your God has blessed you in all the work of your hand. He has known your wanderings through this great wilderness. These 40 years, Yahweh, your God, has been with you. You have not lacked the thing. So we pass beyond our brothers, the sons of Esau, who live in Sierra, away from the Arabah. So we did what God said, we didn't mess with them. Away from Elath and from Izzy and Gibr. We turned and passed through by the way of the wilderness of Muhammad. Now watch this. Now look who else God fought for. So it happened when all the men of war had come to an end in death from among the people that Yahweh spoke to me, saying, Today you're about to cross over Ar, the border of Moab. The Moabites, the sons of Lot.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:42

So now wait, wait, wait this is Deuteronomy. God's talking to Moses, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:46

Yeah, God's telling Moses to tell the Israelites.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:50

Right? Watch here. The Moabites are the sons of Lot, right? You will come opposite the sons of Amon. Amon and Moab were the sons of Lot. You know the story, right? Or do you want me to remind you what happened?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:04

Well, the sons of Lot. I mean, that's that's Sodom and Gomorrah, right? No.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:10

Lot lived in Sodom and Gomorrah.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:12

Okay, no, then tell me the stories of Lot's sons.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:15

After Lot and his two daughters left Sodom and Gomorrah, Lot's daughters thought that there were no humans on earth. Genesis 19, they got him drunk, slept with their father, and he knocked them up with his grandchildren. Genesis 19.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:32

Right? So the Ammonites, Moabites are the incestuous seed of Ammon.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:40

I forgot that story. That's right. The daughters get the father drunk. He sleeps with both of them. I forgot about that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:48

The old testament's wild. It is because the Bible, the Bible is an accurate record of events that have taken place without approving it.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:56

Yeah, you would not nobody would ever write this as their history if it was. In their history, it's like this is what happened now.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:03

But watch what God says about them, though. You will come opposite the sons of Amon, do not harass them nor provoke them. For I will not give you any of the land of the sons of Ammon as a possession, because I have given it to the sons of Lot as a possession. Are you seeing the pattern? God did for these people what He did for Israel. He didn't just do it for Israel. Not only did He do that for them, he drove up mightier nations before them like he did for Israel. Look, it is also regarded as the land of the Raphaim. For Raphaim formerly lived in it, but the Ammonites called them Zamzumin. Why? A people as great, numerous, and tall as the Anakim, the sons of Anak. There were giants, and God is saying, I destroyed the giants before them, like I'm destroying them before you, the Nephilim. But Yahweh destroyed them before them. They dispossessed them and settled in their place, just as he did for the sons of Esau. So who fought for the sons of Esau? Yahweh Jehovah who lived here when he, Jehovah, Yahweh, destroyed the Horites from before them. They dispossessed them and settled in their place, even to this day. And the Avim, who lived in villages as far as Gaza, the Keftorim, who came from Keftor, destroyed them and lived in their place. Now, are you seeing a pattern here, brother?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:20

That God doesn't just care for the Israelites, he's still actually doing things for the nations throughout the Old Testament, also.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:31

So this thing that the Jews are special, they were special in the sense that he's going to work through them to bring the nations to salvation. But God even said, Because you're the family I chose out of all the families of the earth, I will punish you worse. Here he says it. Amos three, one and two.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:56

Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:57

Here is the word which Yahweh has spoken against you, sons of Israel, against the entire family which he brought up from the land of Egypt, saying, You only have I known among all the families of the earth. Therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities. You don't get any special privileges. Because you were privileged, being the only nation that I chose to be my people on earth, your punishment is worse than anyone else.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:22

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's that's that's obvious, right? It's like it's like a priest that goes bad. You've been given so much, your your judgment will be will be harsher. And that applies to us now, too. Like church. It applies to us now. Like, look at how much has been given to us. We will be judged harsher than than the than the pagans.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:44

Yep. So this is from Old Testament. I didn't even use New Testament. What did I establish from Old Testament, Anthony? God already planned the salvation of the nations through the servant. He was going to make a covenant with them, they're going to trust in his Torah, his law, not in the Mosaic law. So when Jesus showed up, he didn't do anything new. He was fulfilling was already announced. Right there. I mean, now I can go on and on and on, but I want to follow your questions. By the way, is this some really someone a father named Father James? Is that really a father?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:15

Um Father James Martin, is it? Oh, that's some no, that's somebody goofing around. We get we get Jimmy Aiken in here, we get Father James Martin in here. We get we get a lot of celebrities in here. They're never the real celebrity, though.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:32

Interesting. A father, may he bless us. But anyway, so I can proceed a million ways, uh, whatever you want me to do, but as far as the seat is concerned, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:42

Well, okay, well, getting to just the betrayal of Israel, also, it's it's important to recognize that even in the apocalypse, like when you go into apocalypse 17, the the the the great harlot it's going to be the same same thing, right? The great harlot who's drunk on the blood of the martyrs, it's going to be the same people who were harlots in this time, now drunk on the blood of the martyrs, because they're mixing with the kings of the former nations of Christendom. It's the it's the you know, this is there, they're so Christendom starts, and God's kingdom comes to earth, and we build this beautiful uh civilization, and then you have the harlot comes and starts mixing with the kings of those nations, drunk with the blood of the martyrs, taking up the things that that Christ gave us, and now that now they're perverting those things. And that's yeah, I mean that's how I see it.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:39

Let me show you because you mentioned that. Let me show you what God says about Jerusalem. You know, everyone's giddy about going to Jerusalem, and it's so great, right? Watch here, Revelation 11:8. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom in Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. Yeah, where was Christ crucified, brother?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:57

In Jerusalem.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:58

He just said that's Sodom in Egypt. Yeah, so why are we fascinated with it?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:03

Yeah, and the other thing is like all of all of the stuff that we were just even talking about in Deuteronomy, all of the things that are happening there with the with the Israelites coming out of Egypt and going to the promised land, just like the Gentiles were never plan B. What Christ is is telling us in that old testament story about the promised land, it was always about eternity. Like it was never about a physical plot of land in the Middle East. That was never the promised land. The promised land was always eternity with God, it was always the beatific vision. That was always what God, our inheritance as adopted sons and daughters. The inheritance that is intended for Christ, his son, we now get to share in. That's like such a bigger thing than some plot of land in the Middle East. All of the things that God intends for his son now become ours through divine adoption. It's such a bigger thing than anybody that has these carnal glimpses into into some land in the Middle East as if it means something. Now, as Catholics, yeah, you know, if anything about the holy land is holy, it's because Christ walked there, and we do have an incarnate faith, so it's it's it's amazing to go into these places, but it makes it more wicked because Christ was killed there, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:22

You understand? Yeah, because they had the honor of God in the flesh walking, and that's the place that killed him. That's why he says it's Sodom in Egypt. Because what is Sodom Sodom? The epitome of sexual immorality. What is Egypt? The oppression of God's people, yeah. But now, watch what else the Bible calls Jerusalem on earth. Here it is, Galatians 4 21, 26. Tell me, you who want to be under law, do you not listen to the law? Meaning, do you not read Genesis? That's the law. For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the servant woman and one by the free woman. But the son by the servant woman who had been born according to the flesh, while the son by the free woman through the promise. This is spoken with allegory. For these women are two covenants, one whom Mount Sinai bearing children to slavery, she is Hagar. Now, this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, corresponds to the present Jerusalem. He just told you earthly Jerusalem is Hagar. So why are we so fixated and obsessed with Jerusalem when the New Testament says that Jerusalem is Hagar, that Jerusalem is Sodom in Egypt. The Lord himself destroyed Jerusalem temple as showing that he's disgusted with it and will have nothing to do with it. And so what replaces it? The heavenly Jerusalem. She is our mother, the one that comes down to the earth and supplants earthly Jerusalem. What's the fixation with earthly Jerusalem?

SPEAKER_00 1:13:50

I think it goes back to what your upbringing was in thinking that if we allow them to take that plot of land, a lot of people are under the impression they will be raptured up before the tribulation. You know, but the but there's even some Catholics who who don't understand this story well, and they don't see the how duplicitous some of the things that are going on are.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:01

He goes, Then why the crusades? Because Jerusalem fell under the power of the church. Jerusalem was under jurisdiction of the church, and then when the Muslims came and took over and stopped Christians from attending the holy sites, that's why the crusades. So you're saying we should have a crusade now to go and redeem Jerusalem from the Jews? Is that what you're saying?

SPEAKER_00 1:15:24

Well, it's also the crusades are well, it's also why no Pope could support the Jews coming into that land, also, because it does have apocalyptic um, like there, there's just no way to avoid that that that would mean the time of the Gentiles has been fulfilled and it's no longer being trodden underfoot by the Gentiles. So it does mean that, and and and if you kind of look at what's happening in the church, even with no Sheritate and things like that, when you see the Pope doing these overtures like the Abrahamic faith house, like there's a very deep thing that's happening there, and just the way the Jews want to fulfill the old covenant in the in a carnal sense, and read these scriptures without seeing Christ as their fulfillment, you kind of see that happening in our hierarchy, where they want to bring this unification of the brothers together through human fraternity and not through bringing them into the new covenant. It's a it's a very similar thing happening with the way the Sanhedrin was reading the scriptures and the way some of our hierarchy reads the scriptures, in trying to bring about a human fulfillment and not doing it the way God wants to do it. So, in some ways, when the Vatican is doing the Abrahamic faith house, what I think they're subtly telling us is we're no longer converting the pagans, the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled. They don't know that's what they're telling us, but that seems like what's kind of happening. I know you don't want to talk about hierarchy and stuff, but that's kind of no, no, I no, I don't care.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:50

I might I don't mind, but I only speak when I'm qualified. So you would be more of an expert in these areas than me because, like I said, I'm learning, unlearning, relearning, and I see, unfortunately, too much schism, too much hatred, too much infaming among Catholics, and yet they will then antagonize someone, like here, what they're trying to do in the comment section, pit me against another Catholic who actually betrayed me when he went to Muslim channel, thinking they're making Jesus happy, but they don't know my personality. I muzzle people, I'm gonna insult you. I have no respect for anyone except our Lord. But coming back to the issue, yeah, coming back to the issue because I want to focus on now because you want me to give you the biblical basis why we're not Christian Zionists. Okay, I want to deal with two more chapters before we then venture to wherever you want it to go, or talk about who the seed is. Because if you're a New Testament Christian, you cannot believe that the seed of Abraham is the nation of Israel. But I want to make my case slowly, and I know there are objections and I'm ready to answer them, but I don't know how much time I have. Nonetheless, I want you to see what our Lord says He was the last hope for Israel to remain God's kingdom on earth. The last hope. He says, This is your last chance to get it right because while Israel's on earth, they were supposed to be the kingdom of God on earth to be the light to the nations. They failed. Now it's the church. We are God's kingdom on earth. Sadly, we're no better than the Israelites were with our schisms and hatred. If Jesus was here, he'd say the same thing to us that he said to the Jews, because we're all jokes and disgrace. I'm including myself. But anyway, let's read here Matthew 21, 33 to 44. Listen to another parable. This is our Lord. I want you to understand the implication of this parable. And I've read it millions of times as a Christian Zionist, and I didn't get it. There was a landowner who planted a vineyard in Isaiah 5, 1 to 7, it says, The vineyard, the vintage of the Lord is Israel. He's building on Isaiah 5, verses 1 to 7. Put around wall around it and dug a wine praise in it, built the tower, rented it out to vine growers, and went on a journey. Now, when the harvest time approached, he sent his slaves to the vine grown growers to receive his fruit. And the vine growers took his slaves and beat one and killed another and stoned the third. Again, he sent another group of slaves. By the way, slaves are prophets. Let me just show you real quickly. I won't go to Isaiah 5, verse 1 to 7. It's there. It says the vineyard of the Lord, the planning of the Lord is Israel. But who are the servants? So you don't think I'm making it up? Right, right here.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:21

Let's go to 26.5, 29, 19.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:27

Okay, watch here. Jeremiah 7:25. Since the day that your fathers came out of the land of Egypt until this day, I've sent you all my slaves, the prophets. Daily rising up, early sending them. Okay. Jeremiah 26, 5. To listen to the words of my slaves, the prophets, whom I've been sending to you, rising up early and sending, but you have not listened. That's the parable. The slaves are the prophets. Jeremiah 29, 19. Because they have not listened to my words, declares Yahweh, which I sent to them by my slaves, the prophets. Rising up early and sending them, but you did not listen, declares Yahweh. Okay, again. Jeremiah 44, 4. Yet I sent you all, my slaves, excuse me, the prophets, rising up early and sending, saying, Oh, do not do this abominable thing which I hate. So now we know who the slaves are, the prophets. But what did God send last of all? And again sent another group of slaves, large in the first. They did the same thing to them. But afterward, he sent his son to them. Now, note who Jesus just claimed himself to be. He said, I'm not a slave, I'm the son. They were slaves, the prophets. I'm more than a slave, I'm the son. Not only that, I'm the heir. Meaning the son owns everything the owner owns. That means he owns Israel. He owns the prophets, they are his slaves. He just made himself out to be God.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:54

Yeah. Telling them flat out.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:58

Right? Because if the slaves are the prophets, God is their master. And Israel is the vineyard that belongs to God. By saying, I'm the heir and the son, that means I own Israel. I own you. I own the prophets. They're all my slaves. Can you see how deep this is? Now watch here. But watch what he says. How do I know this was Israel's last chance? Afterward, he sent a son to them saying, They'll respect my son. But when the vine growers saw the sun, look, he's already telling them what they're going to do before they do it. He's not caught by surprise. This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and see his inheritance. They took him, threw him out of the vineyard, and killed him. Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine growers? They said to him, He'll bring those wretches to a wretched end, will rent out the vineyard. Here's the key, Anthony. He's going to take the vineyard from them, give it to other vine growers who pay him the proceeds at the proper seasons. And Jesus explains what that is. Jesus said to them, Did you never read the scriptures? The stone which the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone. I, the stone rejected, I'm the most important stone, because I keep the walls intact. This came about from the Lord, and it's marvelous in our eyes. Therefore, I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a nation producing the fruit of it. Where does this leave any place for Israel?

SPEAKER_00 1:22:34

And at the destruction of the temple, when Jesus goes into the temple and he's yelling at the Pharisees, that's one of my favorite scenes in the gospel.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:47

I'm gonna go there. That was my next one.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:49

Yeah, let's go there. And he because he basically tells them you're gonna have this grace period to repent. Yeah, he gave him 40 years. You got one generation to repent, and and this this even goes to Jonah and the sign of Jonah. Jonah, who is uh a prefigurement of Christ, he he dies three days later, he rises from the belly of the fish, and he goes and he tells Nineveh, and Nineveh a generation later comes and destroys the temple. There's 40 years there, and and Jesus is basically telling them, you ask for a sign. The sign I'll give you is the sign of Jonah, basically telling them, I'm the new Jonah, Rome is the new Nineveh, and they're gonna come and destroy you within a generation.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:40

Isn't it ironic? It's in that context he calls Peter Simon bar Jonah, son of Jonah.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:45

Yeah, and blessed are you, Peter, son of Jonah.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:50

Because he's going to Jesus is the new Jonah, he's because Peter's the one who's gonna open the kingdom to the Gentiles. Yeah, so he's the son of Jonah, Simon bar Jonah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:02

And I think see Peter's father's real name is Johan or something, it wasn't even Jonah. So it's like yeah, Jesus is telling Peter in Matthew 16, blessed because he this the chapter before he talks about a wicked generation asked for a sign. The only sign you're gonna get is the sign of Jonah, and what he's telling them is right you have a generation, and then your temple is going to get destroyed, just like Jonah went to Nineveh, prophesied to them, and within a generation they destroyed the temple. This is going to happen to you as well. Blessed are you, Simon, son of Jonah, for flesh and blood is not revealed this to you, but my father and everything.

Cain And The Seed Of The Serpent

SPEAKER_04 1:24:43

But then later on, he talks about Peter being given the keys and the context of calling him Sinon Bar Jonah. We know it's in Aramaic because he uses the Aramaic word bar. Shummon bar Yona. The bar is Aramaic. So here Matthew even transliterated the Aramaic, Bar son, to let you know he's speaking in Aramaic. Shumun Bar Yonah. So here is the son of Jonah who will go and open the kingdom to the Gentiles. So everything is deliberate. But coming back to Matthew 23, because this is really gonna, if you guys have not heard me discuss this, this is gonna shock all of you. Those of you really here to learn and not manifest because you got nothing better to do, because you don't care about theology, and you think just going to confession and living in sin is gonna help you, just like your spiritual ancestors, the Israelites. But for those of you serious, now he gives them a series of woes, but that's not what I'm gonna focus on. Woe to you, scribes, right? And 17, you fools, Jesus. I don't see Jesus in you. Why aren't you kind? Why are you insulting people? Don't you know you can attract more flies with honey than vinegar? Yeah, you fools, blind men. Anyway, I want you to catch this. You ready, brother?

SPEAKER_00 1:26:01

Yeah, you sure?

SPEAKER_04 1:26:03

Because I know you know I'm like screening.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:04

I want you to take yeah, let's go.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:06

All right. Here's the key 32. But I want you to catch the language. Okay, I crash out on you, uh Gracias, because I don't like tacos, bro. I like burritos homes. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:19

I put I put Ocean in time out. We got a timeout, Ocean. We're not here to like, I don't know. It's not it's not a regular A B show. No, Anthony, we're doing something deep here, so I put somebody in the house.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:30

Anthony, you don't get it, man. I'm the Babylonian enforcer. They think we can just come chew the fat. They don't know when Sammy's in town, all the bums keep running around. Anyway, just kidding. I got on.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:44

No, I'm just laughing at this. The fatigue is real.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:53

Fill up then the measure of the guilt of your fathers. Now, do you want me to unpack the implication of this right here? What does it mean, Philip?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:01

Okay. The Bible states there is a debt ceiling of sin. There's only so much sin God will tolerate, and then He will unleash wrath. Fill up the full measure of the guilt of your fathers. Let me prove that. Do you know why God waited 400 years before He bought brought the Israelites into the land?

SPEAKER_02 1:27:23

He waited for the measure of the guilt.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:25

Yep, right here. Genesis 15, 16. Then in the fourth generation, they'll return here. For the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete. So God tolerates sin for only so long, and then when you don't repent, you leave him no choice but to then remove you. Just go off camera for a second. All right. But you notice now Christ is applying that language to them. Because here, and then Paul echoes it. Let's go to Paul. Let me go to First Thessalonians. Sorry, I just got to do something off camera.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:54

You're good.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:55

All right. I don't want Gracias to be upset and say, hey, bro, you got a Mexican. Kitchen in your home cooking up some burritos? All right, right here. Let's go here. Look what Paul says. Now, Paul is a Jew, so if you want to accuse him of being anti-Semitic, more power to you. And how can we be anti-Semitic when we say God became a Jewish man and the greatest creature that God created, exalted above angels, is a Jewish woman?

SPEAKER_01 1:28:21

Jewish Jewish woman.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:23

How can you be anti-Semitic when you believe these things? Here, 1 Thessalonians 2:14 and 16. Paul, the Jew, for you, brothers, talking to the Gentiles, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus, which are in Judea. You follow their footsteps. How? For you also suffered the same things at the hands of your own countrymen. Your own countrymen, right, did to you what the Jews did to us, us Jews, even as they did from the Jews. Now notice, politically incorrect in your face, who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets. I dare you, Catholics, you politically correct Catholics, go and say, Hey, Jews, your ancestors killed Jesus and the prophets. This is how far we have fallen from biblical masculinity and boldness. Do you think any of these guys would talk like this? Jove us out. Now watch, they do not please God and are hostile to all men. Wait, Paul says the Jews are enemies of all men, enemies of all mankind.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:30

Now, look, if you and also for for for people to say, like, well, you can't accuse there's you can't say that because their ancestor did this that they're guilty of it too. But it's like, okay, well, because Adam sinned, because Adam sinned, do we not all have the guilt of original sin? Like, is there not generational things that get passed on?

SPEAKER_04 1:29:51

Yeah, but no, don't forget, Paul is a Jew himself. Obviously, he's not incriminating himself. Yeah, so the ones who are opposed to Christ, yeah. He's not saying all Jews because he's a Jew. So he's saying the Jews who oppose Christ are enemies to all men. Yes, why are they enemies to all men? Because they don't want the only hope of salvation to be preached to them.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:17

No, no, no, uh, Sam, it's deeper than that. They hate God. Okay, you have you have to understand that this is when Jesus says your father is the devil, like he's not just speaking hyperbolically, like their father is the devil, they hate God. Jesus, the incarnate God comes to them, love incarnate comes to them, and they hate him. Like you, you people that hate Christ hate God. Yes, it's it's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what something very, very like that. I I feel like people don't really grasp what we're talking about here. These these people hate God, they hate, they hate everything God stands for, they want their own God, their father is the devil.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:08

Yeah, no, that's the whole point for people listening. Paul is a Jew, he's not saying all Jews right now. As we speak, there are hundreds and thousands of Jews who believe in Jesus. Ash mais, I just mentioned him, converted Catholic Church. He's a Jew who used to be an Orthodox Jew. But the point Paul is getting at is the Jews who ate Jesus, they're enemies of to all men. Why? Because they don't want men to believe in Jesus, even though Jesus is the only hope of all mankind. That's what he means that they oppose God and all men, because they're opposing God's will for mankind to be saved through Christ, the only savior. But wait, let's see about the full measure of sin. You ready? This is the point I was trying to show you. Hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles. See, that's how they oppose all men. Stell me right there. They don't want us to preach Jesus, their only hope of salvation, and in so doing, they're opposing God Himself because God says the only way to be saved is in Jesus Christ, so that they may be saved. With the result, now here's the key that they always fill up the measure of their sins. He's echoing the words of the Lord. You see it right there.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:15

Okay, now the measure of their sins. That means their iniquities reach the measure where God said, I think I can't anymore.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:22

And what was gonna happen? He says right there. But wrath has come upon them to the utmost, saying, saying now it's about God's wrath being unleashed. But let's go back to Jesus now. So now everyone gets that this principle, there's a certain amount of sin that the Lord will tolerate before he brings destruction. Now, watch how astonishing this is. This is gonna go back to the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent. Guys, please listen. This is very important. If you don't get anything at this point, don't let the other trolls distract you. Remember seed of the woman, seed of the serpent? Okay, fill up then the measure of the guilt of your fathers. You serpents, watch language, you brood of fibers. How you skip the sentence of hell? Now, follow with me, Anthony. They are serpents, brood of vipers. There's a reason why he's quoting this or using this language. You're gonna be the generation that now hits the dead ceiling. All the sins committed by your ancestors ends with you. On account of this, behold, I'm sending you prophets and wise men and scribes. Some of them you will kill and crucify. So he's already telling them what they're gonna do. You're not gonna believe it.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:33

Talking about the apostles, too, right? Like he's saying, I'm gonna send you, I'm gonna send you apostles, you're gonna throw James off the roof of the temple. Like this is what you're gonna do.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:44

Yep, and not only that, this shows he's God again. Who but God in heaven sends prophets on earth?

SPEAKER_01 1:33:52

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:54

He's saying, I'm gonna send you prophets. Where from heaven, but that's something God does. But let's continue. Wise men and scribes, some of them you will kill and crucify. So you're already telling him what they're gonna do. Some of them you'll flog in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, so that upon you, see, you're that last generation, you're the one who hits the death ceiling, and then I'm gonna wipe out Jerusalem. Upon you may fall the guilt of all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, the son of Barekiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. Truly I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation. Now, watch, you're gonna fill up the sin of your fathers, starting with the first murder of the first righteous one. So Jesus just said, You follow in the footsteps of your fathers, your murderers like them, liars like them, you're moral like them, and it ends with you. The sin that started with your fathers will end with you, and then I'm gonna wipe you out. But I don't know if you guys caught it. One of their fathers was Cain because he says, The blood of all the righteous will fall on you, starting with Abel. How is Cain their father?

SPEAKER_00 1:35:10

Cain the murderer.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:11

Yeah, because he just said you're gonna fill up the measure of the guilt of your fathers. All the sins started by your fathers, you'll be the last generation. And the first sin, the first murder was committed by one of your fathers, the murder of Abel, and you're gonna share in his guilt. How is Cain their father?

SPEAKER_00 1:35:29

No, no, um, now look at look at this also, because if you get into Augustine, Augustine talks about how the Jews are to wander the earth as if like they have the mark of Cain. To like that they wander the earth, they're not allowed to have a homeland as a sign of their judgment. It's like it's a sign of their judgment. So like the the Christian as as Chr as Christ's altars go up in the city of God, we convert all the pagans, we convert all of them. There's none that are allowed to continue to exist. We go for the Vikings, we go for all of them. They all converted, but we don't we the the Jews are allowed to exist in this weird dynamic, and it's because they're they're cursed to wander the earth and not have a homeland and never have a plow and never have any of that because they have the mark of Cain on them. So, but that you're still gonna answer the question.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:22

How is Cain their father, dude? How is Cain their father? Because he just said, Look, you're gonna share in the guilt of your fathers, and he mentions the murder of Abel. That means Cain is one of their fathers, brother. Cain's line was destroyed in the flood, bro. Oh, like the Canaanites are um no, they're not, they're the sons of Ham. They're not Cain. Cain's line was destroyed in the flood. So, how are they descendants of Cain? Exactly. That's what I want you to think, dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:51

You went on so the spiritual, spiritual sons of Cain, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:36:55

I'm gonna show you this is the seed of the serpent. Now we're gonna get there.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:58

Okay, let's go. You're ready, man. See, this is stuff that like I it would just go over my head, and I wouldn't even I wouldn't even.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:07

Man, I'm so glad to to get to see don't wear white like this, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:11

Let's do it, man. All right, here Anthony finally caught up. He has a ruthless. The older brother typology and stuff. But let's say let's see him, let's see him show us something.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:29

Not only the typology, dude, it's right here, first John 3:12. Not as Cain, who was of the evil one who slew his brother, he was the seed of the serpent, not the seed of the woman. Oh, okay. You got it? He was the seed of the serpent, not the seed of the woman.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:47

So so look, okay, so this is this is interesting. So I I've had uh Father Mogsley on several times, and he's his his thesis, and I I agree with it, is that the Jews gathering back into Israel is the kingdom of Satan on earth.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:07

Sure, I agree with that.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:09

It's the kingdom of Satan on earth, right? And it's uh it's because of everything we're going through here.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:16

Yeah, in fact, let me flesh it out. I'm not done yet. Okay, now remember Cain belongs to who? The evil one, right? He murdered his brother. Now, look what Jesus says about the physical Jews. Remember, the same John who wrote John, and by the way, he tells you how you can tell the difference between the children of Satan and the children of God. Let me just go here. Too much, too much verses, but it's all right.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:38

I know, I know we're gonna get to those who say they are Jews but are not, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:42

Yeah, the one who does sin is of the devil because the devil sins from the beginning. First John 3:8 to 12 to put things in perspective, the son of God was manifested for this purpose to destroy the works of the devil. Everyone who has been born of God does not sin because his seed abides in him. He cannot sin because he's been born of God. By this, the children of God and the children of the devil are manifested. So, see, the seed of the serpent, the seed of the woman or the seed of God.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:07

So by this, the children of God and the children of the devil are manifested.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:11

Wow, everyone who does not do righteousness is not of God, as well as the one who does not love his brother. That's how you know you belong to Satan. You're a seed.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:20

If you hate your brother, you've committed murder in your heart already, right? Because Cain kills Abel. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:25

And that means he was a child of the devil, child of the devil. So the Jews who reject Jesus, their ancestors, Cain, because he says it right here. John 8, 39 to 43. John 8, 39 and 43. They answered and said to him, Abraham is our father. Jesus said to them, If you are Abraham's children, you would do the deeds of Abraham. But now you're seeking to kill me, a man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. This Abraham did not do. So notice he's saying, You're not really Abraham's seed. What do you mean? You are doing the deeds of your father. See, right here, you are not really Abraham's seed. They said to him, We were not born of sexual morality. We have one father, God. Jesus said to them, If God were your father, now let me add some more context to this as well, so you can see where we're going with this. All right. If God were your father, like if Abraham was your father, then what would you do? You would love me. If God were your father, you would love me. For I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I've not even come of myself, but he said me, Why do you not understand what I'm saying? It is because you cannot hear my word. You are of your father, the devil. That's why they belong to Cain. They have the same father.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:41

Somebody, somebody um uh criticized me for saying that they hate God, and they they said, No, they're just confused and misled. No, you guys have to listen to the words of Christ.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:53

Oh, he says they hate God because to hate me is to hate God. You may think that's the deception. You think you can love God by dishonoring his son. He said, No, that's the deception delusion, and you Catholics don't help the Jews by saying them they're loved of God and they love God, even though they hate Jesus, and their Talmud says that Jesus is burning and boiling shit.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:16

Yeah, this is this is not correct. It's not that they just think Jesus was weak, but it's not that they I'm telling you, they mean not every individual. I'm just telling you, like this, this is a spirit, this is a spirit of of of of of hating.

SPEAKER_04 1:41:33

Let me make it simple. You know how we have vincible ignorance, the Jews who don't know any better, you can say they're ignorant. When does Jesus hold them accountable? When he confronts them with his truth claims, yeah. What do you not get? What does he say? Because they saw him, saw the miracles. So you know when the Jews become accountable? When you confront them with the claims of Jesus and the evidence, refute their objections and they double down, like a Tovia Singer.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:57

It's like it's like, Who what who are you saying that we're blind? No, because you say you can see, I'm telling you you're blind, right? Like that's what Jesus is telling them. Well, I've I've come to give sight to the blind and take away sight from those who can see. Are you saying we're we're we're blind? No, because you say you can see, I'm gonna take your sight away because you don't see with uh with with eyes. Like it's this stuff is um it's having having having eyes to see is such an important phrase that Jesus uses.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:28

Venice, I know you want to take a shot. Anthony's a good guy. Uh the one who hit rock bottom is your mommy because she's in Iran doing muta with the Shia as they stuff her with shit. The guy just took a shot uh cheap shot at you, so I have to muzzle this dog. See, I'm defending. What are you even talking about?

SPEAKER_00 1:42:44

I don't even care what people say about me. You either get me or you don't. I don't know what to tell me.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:50

Do you forget who I am? See, I'm gonna now unleash wrath on you. The Assyrians, the rod of God's anger, Isaiah 10, mister. Let me do my thing, Holmes.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:59

You do you do your thing?

SPEAKER_04 1:43:01

Isaiah 10 didn't say that Assyria is the rod of my anger, I wield them against the people that are wicked. Let me be God's rod of anger to punish people, dude.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:10

Shoot, hater.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:12

Don't read Isaiah 10, hater. Don't hate, participate. But anyway, let this dog muzzle himself. But now, what's the connection between the Jews who reject Jesus and Cain? They belong to their father, the devil. You are of your father, the devil, and you want to do desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in truth because there's no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he's a liar and the father lies. So the Jews that hate Jesus and the apostles he sends, they're like Cain who hated his brother and murdered him. So he's saying, Your real father is Cain, because God is not concerned. Man, I never picked up on that. Yes, God is not concerned with physical lineage, but spiritual. Now, let me make that case a little stronger before we go to someone else. What did our Lord say when they say, Hey, your mother and brothers are outside? He goes, No, my mother and brothers are those who do the will of my God, my father. Mark 3, 31, 35.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:16

Then his mother the Protestants use as a proof text, but no, he's trying to tell you, you will be my spiritual adopted children.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:25

Then his mother and his brothers arrived, and standing outside, they sent word to him, calling him, and a crowd was sitting around him, and they said to him, Behold, your mother and your brothers are outside looking for you. And answering them, he said, Who are my mother and my brothers? And looking about at those who are sitting around him, he said, My behold, my mother and my brothers, whoever does the will of God, he is my brother and sister and mother. And that's what Jesus just said. You can be a Jew ethnically, but not spiritually, because that's what matters. Because he just said, If Abraham was your father, you would do the deeds of Abraham. So, what do you guys are not getting? God does not care about physical lineage anymore, he cares about spiritual parentage, spiritual affiliation. So if you reject Christ, you are now a spiritual son of Cain. He's a real father because all of you belong to Satan. That's the message. That's why he says you're gonna share in the guilt of your father Cain who murdered Abel, because you have the same father. Do you see now why he called them serpents and brood of vipers? Serpents. Why? Because they are sons of the serpent.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:43

Do you remember that?

SPEAKER_01 1:45:44

I do.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:44

Let me go a little deeper so I can give you receipts. The Jews answered and said to him, Do we not say rightly that you're a Samaritan, have a demon? See, that's how you prove you're of the devil. And now watch here. For those of you distinguish between the Jews who do not know the gospel, haven't heard the gospel, don't know the real Jesus, from those who do. Jesus answered, If I glorify myself, John 8, 54, 58, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say he is our God, and you have not known him, but I know him. And if I say that I do not know him, I will be a liar like you, but I do not do know him. Keep his word. Now notice he didn't say he's your God. You say he's your God, but you don't know him. You are liars. Oh no, they don't. He just said it. Our Lord said it. You say he's your God. I don't acknowledge it. You don't know him, you're liars. Yeah. Okay. Now, what's the connection again with Cain and them? They belong to the devil, making them all the seed of the serpent. Genesis 3:13 and 15. Then Yahweh God said to the woman, What is this you have done? The one said, The serpent saved me and I ate. And Yahweh God said to the serpent, Because you have done this, cursed are you, more than any of the cattle, more than every beast of the field. On your belly you will go, dust you'll eat, and the days of your life, and I'll put enmity between you and the woman, between your seed and her seed. Man, that is say it again.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:19

It just brings that verse to life, man. Holy cow. I'll put enmity between your seed and her seed. Think about who the serpent's seed is, and there's enmity because we talk about the enmity between the brothers, how off a Sam you are. Freaking awesome, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:37

Oh, this is just studying deep reflection on scripture and dying to Zionism. He shall bruise you on the head, you shall bruise him on the heel. Now watch the serpent's seed. Now let's go back and see what the Lord called the Jews. Let's tie it all in. I'm almost done with this, and then we can proceed however you want. All right. Now watch here. Okay, we're gonna do this systematically for all you haters who love to hate. Hey, player, don't hate, don't hate the player, hate the game. All right, watch here.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:08

Let's do this systematically. Yeah, talk about God's plan from the beginning, right? We're talking about how it was all like this. Is you're talking about from the creation of the world. This is all from the creation. I'm putting enmity between your seed and her seed. Holy cow, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:27

Envol, are you slower slower than Muhammad was illiterate? I just told you, Jackass, that this is spiritual. Okay, now watch here. What did he call the Jews again? Pay attention, Anthony. You serpents, you brood of vipers. Why serpents to the serpenty seed pursued your seed? You see why? Why are they serpents? Brood of vipers? Because they are the sons of snakes, Satan, Cain, and those who come down the line, right? You caught it, right, brother?

SPEAKER_00 1:49:02

100%.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:03

Okay, but who is the first son of Cain? The first seed of Cain. I'm sorry, not Cain. Who's the first son of the serpent? I just gave it away. Cain. So if you ask me, who was the first seed of Cain of Satan? Cain. Right there. So Cain is their father. He's the firstborn of the serpent, his first son, spiritually, because the Jews are physical descendants, Abraham. Cain's line was destroyed in the flood. So Christ cannot be saying they are connected to Cain physically. But he says Cain is one of their fathers. Fill up the full measure of your fathers. Why? Because he says that one of their fathers was the one who murdered Abel.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:55

Man, this is so profound. This is so cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:59

And how do I know? The serpent is the devil, Revelation 12:9. And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old, who's called the devil and Satan. There is the serpent of Genesis, he's the devil and Satan.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:13

This is this it's so so interesting because this doesn't brew up any kind of hatred to me. This like lights my heart up. Like, holy cow, man. God, look at the story being fulfilled, exactly how God said it will be fulfilled. 100%. Such an amazing God, man.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:29

Yeah, but what they want to do now, how does Satan win? He wants you to dehistoricize Genesis. You think it's a myth, so you can lose faith in the scriptures, and then you have no basis to know who the seed of the serpent happens to be.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:41

This is why I tell people like when they talk about evolution, it's like God gave us a creation story. Why are you playing with the atheist creation story? Who gives a crap about the atheist creation story? It's boring, it sucks, it's make-believe. Like, this is the creation story, and it tells the story of our spiritual creation and how things are going to play out throughout the entire story of salvation history from its inception. So, yep.

Synagogue Of Satan And Reversed Promises

SPEAKER_04 1:51:06

So, what we learn from our Lord Jerusalem is Hagar, Sodom Gomorrah, Jerusalem is rejected, the real Jerusalem is heavenly Jerusalem. She's our mother, she's coming down. That's why God says the synagogues are no longer places where God is worshipped, they belong to Satan. Here, God says it. So you can condemn me. You're condemning the Bible. I'm just going with the Bible, man. And that's why Paul can say this right here. Here you go. Let's go here. Revelation 28 to 9. You know we're gonna go here, but let's now understand our the point. Two different Jewish communities in two different areas, but they have one thing in common. Remember, these Jews, Smyrna, and the other group of Jews, Philadelphia. So it's two different groups of Jews in two different areas, but what do they have in common? Revelation 2.8 to 9. And to the angel of the church in Smyrna, right? This is what the first and last who was dead and has come to life says. I know your tribulation, your poverty, but you are rich. The blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not. Jesus just said they're fake Jews, yeah, but our synagogue of Satan. They are not the syllabus of Abraham, and their places are no longer places of worship. Why do you honor them, Christians? But I'm gonna make it a little worse again for you guys who think, oh, yeah, well, I can be a good Catholic. No, you can't, man. Historically, the church didn't teach the Jews, they are still God's people, they had to be baptized, united Christ, then they are the true Israel. But here's another group of Jews, and by the way, note another common factor. These Jews are mentioned in the context of the only two churches that Jesus blessed, Smyrna and Philadelphia. The other churches he had problems with and warned them. But now watch here. Revelation 3:79. And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia, right? This is what he who is holy, who is true, as the key of David opens and no one will shut, and who shuts and no one opens, says, I know your deeds. Behold, I've given before you an open door which no one can shut because you have a little power and have kept my word and have not denied my name. Behold, I'm giving up those of the synagogue of Satan, those who say they are Jews and are not. Another group of Jews, and what do they have in common with the other Jews? Their hatred of Jesus in the church proves they're not real Jews, but belong to Satan, and their places are not places of God. But lie. Behold, I will make them come and bow down before your feet and make them know that I have loved you. Now you want to hear how Christ takes the promises of the Old Testament, flips them against the Jews? Okay, watch here. Oh boy. Whoa, they're Nella. Let me show you the King James version because it's a little even Dewey Rames, King James version right here. You remember that promise? What is he gonna make the Jews do? Bow before the feet of the church. You know what Jesus did? He in reversed the promise given to the Jews. What do I mean?

SPEAKER_00 1:54:18

So that the nations would bow before them, now they're gonna bow before the nations.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:23

Yeah, they're gonna bow before the church, fulfilling Isaiah, but in a completely new evolutionary way.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:32

Here, Isaiah 60, verse 14. The sons, also of them that afflicted thee, meaning the nations, shall come bending unto thee, and all they that despise thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet. Now remember this promise. They shall call thee the city of the Lord, Yahweh, the sign of the Holy One of Israel. That's what the nations that persecuted Israel will do.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:56

This is going to be the end of the story, and they're gonna go, Oh my goodness, we missed it. We had this treasure we could have been a part of the entire time. You are the treasure and the inheritance of the Lord, and we hated you. And they'll bow before the church.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:13

Right here. Behold, I'll make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews and are not, but do lie. Behold, I'll make them to come and worship before thy feet and to know that I've loved thee. So he's telling the Jews, you persecute my church, I'm gonna make your life hell. I love my church, and if you're not part of my church, you're my enemy, and I'm gonna bring you to their feet in acknowledgement. I love the church so much for national Israel.

Sponsors And Moving Off Platform

SPEAKER_00 1:55:38

Yeah, man, this is so cool. All right, listen, Sam, I want to go over to the other side because I want to talk about the angel of the Lord stuff. Before we jump off, I have to give a plug to uh first off, uh anybody that's not subscribed to Sam's channel that's avoiding Babylon, go subscribe to Sam's channel.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:56

And if you guys that are watching on Sam's channel, going to Babylon, but make sure you don't vote with Anthony. He's gonna leave his YouTube channel, but I'll still be airing it on my rumble and YouTube channel. So because he's going now on another platform, what's the platform you're going to?

SPEAKER_00 1:56:12

Um we're gonna go over to my local side because I want to I want to talk a little bit about uh about the angel of the lord stuff that we got into last time. But uh before we go, nicknacks.com. Uh they're a sponsor of ours. Uh use code ab25% at check ab25 for 25% off at checkout. And also um uh shoplobster.com during lent. If you're looking for uh a little a little break from uh from your typical non you know abstinence from meat and you want to get something, go to shoplobster.com. Man, what's the promo code for shoplobster? I'm terrible.

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SPEAKER_04 1:57:19

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SPEAKER_00 1:57:24

Okay, uh, I don't even know how to do that. All right, well, let's see them. If you don't have to do that, I appreciate that, Sam, but I don't even know how to do that. So, and I'm not even gonna give a good send off. Um, let me see. I'm just gonna start removing stuff. Okay. So that'll take me a second. Uh this is gonna be a really weak sign out. Uh let's see. I'm gonna cut YouTube.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:45

You guys on my channel, stick there. We're gonna still be there.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:47

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.