This Theology Full of Messianic Fervor Wants War in Iran

We discuss the new war in Iran, specifically how Evangelical Dispensationalist theology seems to be purposefully driving us deeper into war.

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:10

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Programming Note: Moving Spicy Content To Locals

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Listen, I w okay, so we are going, we have a bunch of clips of the Shia interview that we're gonna do on locals tonight. It's too vulgar to do on YouTube. Like, we were going to do that tonight. And uh, it's just too many F-words and stuff. So, like, I don't I don't know. Sometimes people watch this show, and you know, we they kind of can count on us for not being vulgar, but um, locals is a different story. You know, if you're paying for locals, we you know, you you you catch a bad word or two over there. Rob drops the n-word on a cake. Might have happened, might have. It's just a rumor. Um what happens on locals stays on locals. That's really true.

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So true. You know, like telling everyone weeks ahead of time that Father Ripper was gonna be on Sean Ryan.

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The funniest thing is we gave we gave Ocean a freaking free locals membership. He's 17 years old, and he's in the chat before the show even starts, and he's making fun of things I say, and he's got me down to a T. Maybe so mad in the green room.

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None of us realized he was a minor, so we had to we had to kick him out of the telegrams. He goes, he goes, I just see this all coming to a head.

Community Update And Prayer Request

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SPEAKER_06 6:22

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SPEAKER_05 6:29

But how do we not talk about this topic? What topic? Which one I mean, everything happening. Come on, like everything happening. Are you still confident that this Iran war is going to remain a small little skirmish in Iran?

SPEAKER_06 6:44

Define confident.

SPEAKER_05 6:46

I I mean when I when I when I said I was worried about the Iran war, I wasn't worried about direct conflict with Iran. I was more worried about it escalating into a wider more like into a wider war. That was always my worry. I said I'm not not worried about like Iran, I'm worried about it escalating into a wider conflict. And I'm the things I'm watching right now seem very much like this is going to escalate into a wider conflict. I mean watching wrong stuff though, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 7:15

We've already seen, you know, I Iran's response has been largely to two missiles at every state in the region. Um, you know, we know uh the whole Afghan-Pakistan thing is probably tied into Iran right now. Uh Israel has sent troops into southern Lebanon, but they yet they haven't yet passed the area that they've gone into a few times recently. So I mean, obviously, it's it already is a little bit bigger than just Iran, but so far it's nothing out of what anyone would have expected.

SPEAKER_05 7:52

Well, I think what's surprising people is uh the way Iran works. Like they thought they were gonna take out their leadership and maybe they could get a regime change. And Iran's system is set up very differently there. So they basically ever since the 80s, yeah. Yeah, they basically had us that if you wipe out the leadership, is all these individual provinces basically are autonomous.

SPEAKER_06 8:11

Every every local military commander right is semi-autonomous and competitive.

SPEAKER_05 8:17

Semi-autonomous, and they're just operating on their own. They all know their, they all know the the plan. And it's kind of crazy that we didn't well, maybe maybe we did know this was going to happen. I don't know, but what it looks like they're doing is trying to disrupt the world economy in the places that they're striking. It's not just American air bases and stuff, it's like they're they're hitting things that will probably disrupt oil, oil distribution, things like that. You're gonna see a spike in oil prices, you're gonna see it's gonna they're they're looking to disrupt the world economy.

Pivot To Geopolitics: Will Iran Escalate

SPEAKER_06 8:48

And what's funny, kind of, is you're right, yeah. They're you know, they're hitting uh every major oil um field in that they can, you know, shutting them down. And uh the gas prices had their largest single-day jump since 2005 is 12 the national average of the 12 cent jump yesterday. Um but the hitting the the oil economy like that is actually gonna hurt like their supposed ally, China, way more than us. And them being taken out of play and Venezuela being taken out of play has already hit China. Um, and this is in the middle of which could force China's hand, though. Well, except Pres the President uh Z or whatever you want, G over there has decimated their military leadership over the last year in purges. There was some some talk that he was doing it because there was some talk of a coup among the Chinese military who are no longer happy with his president for life gig. Um, so he's decimated their military leadership. So right now, the thinking is that China's in like no position to to push anything right now, but who knows? A lot of times when you're at your lowest is when you're the most dangerous.

SPEAKER_05 10:08

So here's my here's my worry um that it will escalate into a wider conflict because Israel wants it to escalate into a wider conflict. Like, Israel seems to want hegemony over the Middle East, yeah, and that includes us, they don't want us there anymore. So, like it getting us to to to strike Iran is kind of like a two-pronged thing. It it's gonna get us to exhaust our resources and it's gonna put us in a situation, especially if it's a prolonged war, it's it's gonna put us in a bad situation.

SPEAKER_06 10:42

Israel is also exhausting their resources, yeah. To the point where their their in their uh interceptors, their the you know, the missiles they use to intercept the incoming Iranian missiles. I mean, they were running low after the little 12-day war in 2025, to the point where at the end of that war, Iranian missiles were starting to hit. Yeah. They're they're I think they said at that time the world supply of what we call our THAAD interceptors. We the Israel used 25% of the world supply then.

Iran’s Decentralized Military And Oil Strategy

SPEAKER_05 11:13

Yeah. So I mean and they take a year to make. Like they're not they're not like these quick things you could just ramp up production and get them going real quick.

SPEAKER_06 11:20

Like they're gonna take months to make our our highest level interceptors, yeah. But we have mid-level mid-level interceptors that supposedly we can produce 25,000 of in a year, okay. Um, and and that are much that are actually cheaper than the Iranian ballistic missiles.

SPEAKER_05 11:36

So it's hard. Now Iran now Iran is also blowing off all their old crap right now, getting us to use up those those interceptors, and they haven't even started using their good stuff yet, and that's kind of been their plan all along is let's let's get them to deplete their their stuff with our garbage.

SPEAKER_06 11:54

That's what they're saying, and that would make sense, but we don't it's hard to say do they really have a bunch of their newest ones left? I don't who knows.

SPEAKER_05 12:01

Yeah, this the thing with with war is you don't know what information to trust. Yep, you don't know what to trust because everybody's got a bias, and everybody wants their side to come through, so you're getting information from all these different sources, and it's like like I was hearing that Iran's got these missiles that they go in, and once they get over Israeli airspace, Israel send up an interceptor, and then the thing breaks into like five different missiles that'll come down. So some of them are gonna hit, like they may intercept one or two, but out of the out of the five, three of them are gonna hit. They also have um uh what uh what are they called? The um the hypersonic missiles now that go like Mach 5, they're coming at 11,000 miles an hour.

SPEAKER_06 12:44

So five or six thousand miles an hour.

SPEAKER_05 12:48

Oh, whatever. But um I don't know. I think I did see like a video that said they come in at Mach 10 or Mach 11 or something.

SPEAKER_06 12:55

I don't know if Iran has any of those, but China and Russia definitely do, yeah. Uh have at least some. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 13:04

Um Kale's saying Obama gave those to them. Um, I watched uh Kale and uh Skojak's new Kale and uh Steve Skojak are doing uh a podcast now called Monitoring the Situation. I'm really enjoying it. I think it's really good. But Steve sucks on Israel, dude. He's really good on like the AI stuff, he's really good on like he's he's really good on some stuff, but his takes on Israel are so bad. Like so bad. I just can't, and I'm not even like a conspiracy guy with Israel, I'm more of uh looking at the biblical story guy when it comes to looking at Israel, and like it's just so blatantly obvious that we were dragged into this war by Israel.

SPEAKER_06 13:52

I mean, Rubio said it, like Rubio literally said it's like the reporter that so uh a reporter at a press conference today said, Yesterday you said this, and and Ruby goes, No, I didn't. Were you there? The guy goes, Yeah, I'm the one who asked you the question.

Air Defense Math And Missile Stockpiles

SPEAKER_05 14:10

He's like he's basically like, Well, Israel was going to strike Iran, and we knew if they struck Iran, Iran would have struck back at our bases, so preemptively we jumped in, and but so look, there's an element where I do think America got involved to restrain Israel a bit. Because it was like if they went in it alone, the and then here's the thing um, because part of me is like the best case scenario that could happen here is like if Israel was just decimated. Uh but I mean that's a horrible situation because Israel will literally nuke the Middle East if they think they're under that kind of threat.

SPEAKER_06 14:46

Plus, say what you want about Israel indoor Jews and whatnot, but like the vast majority of Israeli citizens are are innocent of all this, you know. Yeah, yeah. So I it's like you can't you can't say I want your country decimated, I want your no, I meant I may mean their military capabilities and stuff.

SPEAKER_05 15:05

I know what you mean. Yeah, I know I'm not wishing for death on anybody. I really think the whole thing is atrocious, but man, I I don't know. You you just see the the way they behave, and it just seems like they are looking to like all the things you you've been telling me about this stuff, like we've been talking about like the multipolar world that's coming up, and um you were the one that made me start thinking about like well, Israel kind of is a superpower now, and they're going to and they're trying to position themselves as a superpower, and they want hegemony in that region over there. They want, they want, they want the promise that Abraham was given. Yeah, they want the promise that Abraham was given, and that promise, I mean, if you listen to the Tucker interview with Mike Huckabee, he's like, Well, that technically, I mean, when they when you hear the chants from the river to the sea, that's actually a Israeli chant. It's actually an Israeli chant from the river to the sea because they want that area, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 16:06

Red Sea, Jordan River, yeah, all that.

SPEAKER_05 16:08

Because that's the land that was promised to Abraham. So they they they kind of twisted it on you and they make it sound like it's the Palestinians that chant it, and that's you know, that's that's wicked, but really it's a it's a Jewish chant they want from the river to the sea. And I don't I don't see them stopping until they have that. I mean, I think this whole incursion on Iran, and as soon as they took out Iran, you're already seeing the the former prime minister of of um of Israel talking about oh, Turkey's the next target. Turkey's the next target.

SPEAKER_06 16:40

It's like Yeah, that would trigger Article 5 of NATO.

SPEAKER_05 16:45

I mean, wasn't wasn't the island of um is it Kyprus? Cyprus, Cyprus was hit, right? Cyprus was like uh Iran bombed Cyprus, and they're technically a UN. Like they're part technically part of NATO. I mean, it's it hasn't triggered anything yet, but you see, like France is starting to talk about them building their nuclear arsenal.

SPEAKER_06 17:06

Um, Poland today announced that they were going to start investigating how to obtain nuclear weapons. Yeah, I just it's it's because now everyone is waking up to the fact that to be uh an actual like autonomous um sovereign state in the world now, you need nuclear weapons, otherwise, you are truly just a puppet state of another state with nuclear weapons. You know, I I I wouldn't call Israel a superpower, but they are one of the few sovereign states of the world because they do have nuclear nukes.

SPEAKER_05 17:44

Yeah, the whole reason you don't want Iran to get nukes is because then all of a sudden Iran is actually sovereign, and you can't actually go and do something like this because they could threaten nuclear war.

SPEAKER_06 17:53

Yeah, like the one the one of the worst things we ever let happen was Pakistan and India getting nuclear weapons. Yeah. Now they only ever have them facing at each other, but still, it's like it's yeah, it's still changing the whole dynamic of everything.

Fog Of War And Hypersonic Threats

SPEAKER_05 18:08

I don't know, man. And and the other thing that really makes I know people don't like when I say this, but I don't think Trump's leaving, dude. Like the I think everybody thinks it's like what do they have on Trump? Are they black? Is it the Epstein stuff? Are they blackmailing him? There is it Miriam Adelson and her money, and I'm like, no, I think he wants a third term, and I think that he thinks that's his ticket to a third term, whether it's through a legitimate election or by starting a conflict so big that he could go, I'm suspending elections or something. Like, I really do see Trump acting like a Roman emperor, he's building a freaking triumph arch in Washington. The things he's doing, he's behaving as if he's not leaving. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying I don't know what's going to happen.

SPEAKER_06 18:55

I don't know how it could be achieved. You know, it certainly can't be achieved constitutionally. No, I think I think which I I don't personally care anymore about necessarily.

SPEAKER_05 19:06

That's the kind of the point, right? Like, so we're looking at we're looking at the end of the republic and the and the empire beginning. Well, and every republic's been dead since 1860. I know, but what I'm um you know what I mean, though, right? Like, yeah, like the facade of the republic, and it's we're entering empire phase, and everything.

SPEAKER_06 19:25

The Roman Empire was really dead for 100-150 years before Caesar, you know, and you had all the struggles therein. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 19:34

Like it just seems like, and and the thing is, like, instead of focusing our attention on us to fix things at home, this is this all kind of just started in my head when I saw Doge uncovered all this crap, and Trump acted like he was going to do something about it, and then he did nothing about it. Like they they passed a budget after all this fraud and the NGOs was discovered, and the next budget comes along, and they should have struck all that stuff from the budget. And Trump went, nope, put it right through. And he pressured everyone, what he did to uh Thomas Massey because he was against it. Anybody who spoke out against it, Trump came down on, and they passed that budget and they shifted a lot of that NGO money right to the State Department. The State Department just shifted it to different NGOs, and the same crap is still happening. Those NGOs, all they are is CIA operations to overturn governments that don't do what we want. Like that's actually all they that's all they are.

SPEAKER_06 20:29

And I mean it it kind of makes sense, like in a sense, um the NGOs and and intergovernmental organizations and all those that all that like that was part of the the liberal international order that was created after World War II. But like your your intelligence organs like the CIA and whatnot, their job is always to promote you know the the US US the US C policy. So they they their their their job, whether it's legal, constitutional, whatnot, is to bend your you know your liberal non-governmental organizations to uh to the purposes of the American government.

Media Takes And Israel’s Regional Aims

SPEAKER_05 21:19

Oh, the person can't be seen to do right, like USA do it, USAID go do it, you know? It's still it's still like an outcrop of the CIA and stuff. And like we you you and I talked about this, where it's like there are different factions within the intelligence agency, it's not like it's one unified intelligence agency. So you do have the Trump faction fighting against the Obama faction, essentially. Like Obama's faction framed Trump, right? Like they they literally framed Trump and went through the whole Russia Gate nonsense and probably stole the 2020 election. I mean, that was that apparatus against what. What we see getting put into place right now.

SPEAKER_06 22:03

There is some uh Bull Mo says there's something to be said about how it is legitimately easier for Trump to topple governments than it is for him to get the Senate to do something. Adds to the Romaness of the situation. I think so. It's so comparable to like to Caesar. It was easier for him to go and conquer Gaul than it was for the Roman Senate to get anything done. Dude, it's it's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 22:25

Like that, and what we saw happen with Venezuela, like boosted Trump's ego. He's like, Oh, look, I can just go and do this, you know. And I think he thought he was gonna do the same thing in Iran. Like it is his, you know, you're talking about an uh a guy who's being told from everybody, man, you look what you did in Venezuela, look how flawless that operation was. You just went in and took out Maduro. It's like, oh we're just gonna go in and we're just gonna go take out Khamenei. It's like they did it. They did.

SPEAKER_06 22:53

No, yeah, my the problem is Iran's been preparing it for 40 years, you know, ever since the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s, they've been they've they've been in this constant flux of war. Venezuela wasn't ready for that, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, all of a sudden they wake up and their president's in an American jail and they're like, oh no.

SPEAKER_05 23:12

Well, well, so what uh what Kale and Steve were talking about is how even when we took out Khomeini, it was like he was being guarded by Chinese equipment. And when we went in and took him out, we basically showed the Chinese, like, your equipment isn't gonna stand up. We're gonna decimate you.

SPEAKER_06 23:29

I mean, right now it's in an act of war, it's hard to to know exactly where we stand with what's happened so far in Iran. But so far, you know, so six Americans are dead. We know that they're probably that they've said, but six, but up to this point, right now, we currently have B-52 bombers originally made in the 1950s, just flying figure eights over Iran, attacking whatever they can find. So that means we've decimated Iran's air force, we've decimated their their ground to air, their surface-to-air missiles, you know, their air defense. So literally all they have left is obviously their ground forces, which are under now constant bombardment from the air, and they're they're they're ground, you know, their surface-to-surface missiles, which they're obviously using to effect, of course. But you know, at this point, if we had constant munitions, there there'd be nothing to stop us from just doing it.

SPEAKER_05 24:29

Yeah, it's it's just the fact that we probably have to be cautious that we don't burn out too quickly, right?

SPEAKER_06 24:35

We we have to make sure we have munitions left in case China decides to get smart or something like that.

SPEAKER_05 24:41

Yeah, it's similar to um like what we were doing in Ukraine was trying to get Russia to burn up all their stuff, you know. It was like, let's let's just expend, let's just put Russia to the brink and make them expend all their munitions, everything. So if we do catch a conflict with them, they're already worn out from this war, and it might be easier for us.

SPEAKER_06 25:04

And it sounds like Russia uh they they sound open to if we make some guarantees on behalf of Ukraine, it sounds like they're willing to come to the table now.

SPEAKER_05 25:18

Yeah, it's an interesting thing because I thought even with Ukraine, part of what I was like thinking was just maybe they were doing that to see what the new battleground even looks like, right? Like we've been in the mountains of Afghanistan for 20 years, and it's like, what the hell does a war with Russia look like? We better start something small and have a proxy war so we actually understand the technology we're up against, what we're gonna have to do to win this one. So it's like we'll burn Ukrainians so I mean it's so evil, but like we'll burn burn Ukraine's men and fight a proxy war to kind of get a better idea of what kind of what kind of military equipment we even need for this next phase that we're coming up on.

NATO, China, And Purges: Global Repercussions

SPEAKER_06 25:55

Well, it's like so you know, Ukraine starts in what 2022, and the drones come out of nowhere on both sides, no one was ready for it. You know, you have you you you have even have uh M18 M1 Abrams tanks getting taken out by you know a thousand dollar drones out of nowhere, and like that was just un unthinkable. But now, you know, at the end of or beginning of 2026 here, remember when that um airport down in the south, or I forget which airport it was, was closed in Mexico, like just just in Mexico, or you're talking about no no, I forget if it was uh the chat will remind me what airport it was was down in the southwest. Where the oh in America? Yeah, the government closed it. Santa Fe. Yeah, the government said it could be closed for up to three days, but a few hours later it opened. What it was is there was drones coming in across the border from Mexico, and the military base that was there wanted to close the airport so they could use their anti-drone technology to take out the drones, and it's now it's some you know sort of electronic anti-drone warfare technology that didn't exist three, four years ago that now we're using to take out Mexican, you know, cartel drones. So wow, I didn't I never even heard that story. El Paso okay, it was El Paso, not Santa Fe.

SPEAKER_05 27:17

Um, yeah, either way. I mean, yeah, it's just man, the way things are escalating, though, it just seems like the whole world is preparing for war, including us. Like we the whole thing with Venezuela, talking about Greenland, all this stuff. We're preparing for something, and then you then now this thing in Iran kicks off, and it seems like Israel wants to be in charge of the river to the sea. Yeah. Um, who knows what's gonna happen with Europe? Like, I don't even know what's going to happen with Europe. Because it seems like, especially like you see Trump even saying, like, talking about Spain today. Like, if you knew what was going on in Spain with their elections and stuff, like they're they're legalizing a half a million Muslim immigrants to try and they're socialist government, yeah, to rig the elections there. They're they're telling X um, we're gonna fine you personally, gonna find Elon Musk personally if he doesn't fight hate speech, and all of that is to control speech, and all of that is to control elections, and it's all because it's gonna be used against the United States if Trump, if there is another election and Trump loses or something. Like in the next election, you won't be able to see, like X will have to monitor everything if Elon doesn't want to get sued. There's so much crazy stuff happening, like where that liberal world order that was under Obama that was very intertwined with Europe, like very intertwined with Europe. There was coordination between our deep state and Europe's deep state, and they were they had all these intertwined agencies that were working together, and now it's just like they they are losing their minds because Trump won, and they're scrambling to try to come up with a game plan. So it just seems like everything is getting more intense.

Sovereignty, Nukes, And A Fracturing Order

SPEAKER_06 29:09

I think we'll see NATO fall apart, um, and you'll see so Britain Britain could go one of two ways, right? It could completely fall to to the Muslims, you know, the to the Pakistanis and Indians and and whatnot. Um but who knows? If the restore the restore Britain thing works, they might actually become a solid ally again, but they have a lot of work there to do, obviously, with their migrant problem. But you have nations like Poland, right, which has done a pretty good job avoiding migrants. Um, you know, not hot now talking about wanting to attain nuclear weapons. Um obviously nuclear weapons are inherently immoral from a Catholic perspective, but from like a global politics realist sort of perspective, you know, I could see a block of countries between America, Poland, maybe a maybe Britain, if depending on what happens there. But like Hungary, maybe, you know, some of the Central and Eastern European nations still being kind of allies with America, yeah. Italy uh under Maloney is doing well. Yeah, um, so who I mean I think NATO as an organization falls apart, but I still think you'd have probably a core a core of European nations, yeah, first America, especially the big ones, like yeah. I I don't know. I mean, I like it. I've said it before, we're just entering a if if this isn't the end, right? Yeah, we're entering a a a sort of realist, real politic sort of world order again.

SPEAKER_05 30:51

Yeah, it's um it's well, first off, like Bobby just texted me. Um, and he's right, he's right 100%. Like the the move on Venezuela and the move on Iran are the same same move. Yes, it's it's to it's it's about China and and their oil, like like China was getting Venezuela's oil, they're also getting Iran's oil. So it is the same, it's moving chess pieces on the board, locking up the same thing. It's just and and it's funny because you're watching you're watching people like I try watching Eric Salmons today. It's like, dude, I don't like I'll listen to Dave Smith if I want to hear your libertarian take, dude. Like, what are you talking about, man? It's just like he's talking about forever wars and he's talking about blowback, and it's like, yeah, whatever. That's not the real issue here. It's just it's just like, yeah, those things are problem. Sure, they're issues, but it's not what this thing is about.

SPEAKER_06 31:46

This thing is something much bigger, and it's um yeah as as Adrian and I were were talking about last night on Guns and Rosaries, between from Venezuela and Iran, those those two nations account for 20% of China's oil, and it is by far the cheapest 20%, right? Because they were able to buy it at huge discounts because they were the only ones willing to buy it because of the consumer. They were being sanctioned by us, right? So the other so now 20% of their oil availability is just plain gone. The other 80%, not only do they not get a discount on, well, boy, now it's getting jacked up way higher, yeah. Right. So so they're they're that that's gonna cause problems in China. Like I said earlier, you have the military purges that that the their military has gone through. I don't know. Um, I don't know how it's gonna work out, but yeah, I don't either.

SPEAKER_05 32:45

I like I said, I I I worry that it's going to escalate into a major conflict because I feel like I feel like Israel will keep pushing for that because that's it's it's what they did in World War II, also. And that's I mean, look, I'm not defending the guy in any way whatsoever. But if you listen to mustache man's speeches, his whole point was they're pushing the bankers and all these guys are pushing for war. I don't want war, but they're pushing for war, and if they do this, I'm gonna take them out. Like, that's literally what he's saying, right?

SPEAKER_06 33:15

And it's go ahead, it was he didn't want war with Britain, yeah, or or France, even right? But he did well, he did want war with Russia, yes, 100%.

Ukraine As Laboratory For Modern Warfare

SPEAKER_05 33:28

He did want more with he wanted to fight the the communists, yeah. Yeah, but it but there was all these things being interplayed in the background, and it seems like that's kind of what's happening now, and I'm not you know, whatever it's I I think I think the the area that it this war is most likely to escalate in, is you're right, is is there Israel will push for for maybe taking more of Lebanon, maybe all of Lebanon.

SPEAKER_06 33:55

Do they then go further into Syria? I don't know, you know what about what does taking mean?

SPEAKER_05 33:59

Does it mean just stick in a puppet government, right? Does it mean like they like they have a puppet government in Syria, but that puppet government in Syria is literally murdering Christians? Is it well that puppet government in Syria is ISIS? It's ISIS that we created the leader was ISIS, ISIS, and then they change their name to like the Freedoms Council or something, and they're like, Yep, you're the leader, it's fine. But all these guys, like, you gotta be insane to for that guy to even take that spot. It's like we yeah, the CIA does this thing, they create ISIS to go and fight someone, and then they turn on them. They put a puppet leader in, they put a puppet leader in, and when that puppet leader acts up and doesn't do exactly what they want, they go and kill you. Like you're just setting yourself up to get killed.

SPEAKER_06 34:40

Hamas was created and funded by by by Israel to oppose the Palestinian you know liberation front.

SPEAKER_05 34:49

And now they're dealing with that. Right. We create we create this thing, we teach them how to fight, we arm them, and then when they become a problem, we just go and wipe them out. But they all of all of the puppet governments in the Middle East eventually get like we put these puppet governments in, and then we still take them out. I don't know, even if the like Iran was willing to come to the negotiating table, they were like, Yeah, look, we won't even have these sunrise clauses on it. Like, we'll do whatever you want. All we're asking is like that we're allowed to have uh a national nuclear program for like nuclear energy or something, and it's like like Iran wanted to negotiate, and we and Israel was like, Don't let those negotiations ruin our war, you know. Like Iran won, I've got Israel wanted this war, yeah, regardless. They wanted this war.

SPEAKER_06 35:37

So that's I mean, you can't, I don't think you can deny that in good faith at this point, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 35:43

Yeah, and then uh and then uh there oh and there is this crazy element that we're we're looking at, which is um you're dealing with I saw a story today come out that the US military, um what did I put that in there? Yeah, the US military one.

SPEAKER_06 36:04

Um if you did it, I I have it bookmarked too.

SPEAKER_05 36:07

Uh yeah, yeah. So the Substack? Yeah, the Substack one. Okay, let me pull it up here. Oh, here it is. Yeah, yeah, I got it.

unknown 36:17

Okay.

Drones, Borders, And New Air Defenses

SPEAKER_05 36:18

So uh US troops were told Iran war is for Armageddon, return of Jesus. Advocacy groups report commanders giving similar messages at more than 30 installations in every branch of the military. A combat unit command commander told non-commissioned officers at a briefing Monday that the Iran war is part of God's plan and that President Trump was anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth, according to the complaint by a non-commissioned officer. From Saturday morning through Monday night, more than 110 similar complaints about commanders in every branch of the military had been logged by the Military Religious Freedom Foundation. The complaints came from more than 40 different units spread across at least 30 military installations. Uh, MRF have told me Monday night. Uh they're keeping the complaints anonymous to prevent retribution by the Defense Department. The Pentagon did not immediately respond to my request for comment. One complainant identified themselves as an NCO in a unit currently outside the Iran combat zone, but in ready support status, deployable at any time. The NCO said they were Christian and emailed the MRF on behalf of 15 troops, including at least 11 Christians, one Muslim and one Jew. The the thing is, I know you guys could get annoyed with some of the things I talk about on this show, but like the this stuff is psychotic. Like the the you're talking about uh play Pastor Greg Laurie's video, Rob. Um not John Hagee, uh Pastor Greg Lori. I put that one in, right?

SPEAKER_06 37:57

Let me look. Not John Hage? No, the other one is the right. Is it the one you called psychotic theology?

SPEAKER_05 38:04

Yes, psychotic theology. Play that guy. Dude, this is absolutely insane.

SPEAKER_06 38:11

Um before I play this, I would I would just caution. I I uh it's hard to say whether that info about commanders supposedly saying that stuff is fully accurate. Like, I don't know that organization. It could be a very leftist organization that just wants to excuse.

Europe’s Politics And Speech Control

SPEAKER_05 38:35

Well, okay, so even if that's not actually being told to our military, though, right? It's still it's still something you see pastors going out and talking about. You say, like, this is a very real thing, right? So even when Netanyahu goes and bombs Iram, what does he do? Now, Netanyahu is a freaking atheist. The guy is not actually a religious Jew in any way whatsoever. And what does he do? On on Saturday, we read from the Torah about the Amalekites, and we did told to destroy the Amalekites, and it's like these guys are he knows what he's doing, he's building messianic fervor amongst the Jews. Because if, like, when I talk to um Gideon Lazar, yeah, he I've I speak with him privately about this stuff, and he's like, Anthony, I'm telling you, there is messianic fervor in Israel right now. Like, they all think this is it, like this is it, and they are they so everything you're seeing, even if Netanyahu isn't a religious guy, like what he's doing is is playing into this mindset because he knows the fanatics are gonna love it, but even their even their I'm sorry, even their messianic fervor isn't religious in the sense we would think about it.

SPEAKER_06 39:50

No, it's not like when we're like the evangelical messianic fervor thinking of the second coming and the end of the world, right? The Jews, that's not what messianic fervor is to them.

NGOs, Intelligence Factions, And Power

SPEAKER_05 40:01

Yeah, yeah, not at all. It's like man, I don't know if Christians really understand this. Like for the Jews, the Messiah is not God come to earth, it's not God incarnate in any sense of the word. It is just a literac king. It's just they just need a descendant of David to take the reins as they're on their empire build. That's all they need, right? So they were so like during the time of Christ, they're all expecting the Messiah. Like that was meant or Cale meant to say Barabbas, but yeah, Barabbas 100% Barabbas style messianism, right? Look, this is this is why in Dune, in Dune, um uh Paul and in Dune, what's it uh Atreides and Bull Paul Atreides, like the least on Al Ghaeb, right? Like that that is he is an antichrist, he is an antichrist, right? Like he comes in and he and and they're building like that's the Jewish Messiah. If you really understand that movie, that movie is about the Jewish Messiah, man. He comes in and he whips up messianic verb and he's like, I will take you to paradise. That's that's what this is, man. That's what this is for them. For us, it like the messiah is God incarnate, he is the logos, he is you know, it's such a different thing. Where these crazy Christian Zionists like what you're gonna hear Pastor Laurie talk about right now is like these people think the wars that we're creating are a good thing because that will cause the rapture of the church. It's like and I and I was arguing with somebody on Twitter about this today because they're like, humans can't bring about the antichrist. It's like, no, like humans literally are going to bring about the antichrist. Like, this is how this is how real this got this is how God works. Like humans do this stuff, right? People like God's not gonna come and and like no, it's gonna be us, first off.

SPEAKER_06 41:58

Yeah, the antichrist isn't like some the son of the devil and you know incarnated, like you you see in Constantine or you know, movies like that. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 42:09

No, he's just some guy they're gonna put on the throne. That's it. They're gonna they're gonna call him their Davidic king, and they're gonna and they're gonna be whipped into messianic fervor, and they're like the whole thing comes down to when you go through the old testament, you have to understand that you're talking about a people who for 6,000 years have been promised that they are going to rule all the nations and crush them like a potter's clay. They will rule them with an iron rod. Now, we as Christians understand this prophecy is meant for Christ. And Christ, today I have begotten you. You are my only son. You will, I will draw my people to Zion, you will rule the nations with an iron rod. But that iron rod is the cross, and we all come on our knees. When I am lifted up, I will draw all men to me. Like it is it is a kingdom not of this world, and they're waiting for something like their carnal reading of the scriptures is so dangerous. And look, I work in Jewish neighborhoods in the city. I'm telling you, when something happens to a people, when they are told for 6,000 years that they are God's chosen people, but they're waiting for that promise to come true, and it has not come true, and especially for the last 2,000 years. Last 2,000 years they've they've been dispersed amongst the nations, and it's it's this is what we're dealing with right now. They have their own homeland for the first time in 2,000 years. How can there not be messianic fervor? They want their borders to be wider than it was under the Davidic kingdom because the Davidic kingdom did not stretch from the river to the sea. They want the promise given to Abraham that you will be the father of all nations, but they don't see it as the way we did as Christians, where we're all brought in through a covenant. They see it as it's their covenant and they rule over the nations, and that's what we're looking at. So listen to listen to Pastor Greg Laurie.

SPEAKER_04 44:05

We know that Persia, modern Iran, plays a role in the end time scenario because the Bible does say a large force to the north of Israel will march on her, known as Magog, and one of her allies will be Persia. Where does this fit in? I don't know. We'll see. It'll all play out in God's perfect timing. But I can say this when we see this kind of activity in that part of the world, it reminds me of the words of Jesus who said, When you see these things begin to happen, look up because your redemption is drawing near. As far as I can see, the next event on the prophetic calendar will be the rapture of the church.

Venezuela, Iran, And China’s Oil Lifeline

SPEAKER_05 44:52

That's like this is this is what I this is why this is so psychotic. These people, they think they're not gonna have to live through the tribulation. They don't understand. The battle of Armageddon is not going to be over in Israel, and we're all fine over here. Rob, I did I actually did want to talk about your tweet. I said I want to I want to talk about this a little bit. Uh the cross will conquer the crescent moon alongside the star of uh because um I agree with you obviously. But where we are in church history, um, and where we are in the story, I don't it's not gonna happen the way it was in the crusades, man.

SPEAKER_06 45:36

No, no, not necessarily.

SPEAKER_05 45:39

The cross is gonna conquer the crescent and the star of Rafin through the blood of the martyrs. Yeah, that's that's actually how this is going to go. So it's like I under I understand this. Um that that is what I meant by it. Yeah, it's it's going to be like we are looking at persecution on the horizon, like that's and that and all of us need to be prepared for that, and not this religious liberty. Oh, they're they're making Catholics pay for birth control persecution. I mean real persecution, like that's what's coming, and it's going to come because Christ told us that would like we have we have to be if we're in those times, obviously we don't know, but well, even if we're just approaching like the minor tribulation or chastisement, yeah. Chastisement's coming, something's coming. So no matter what, whether we're whether you know the the thing is these people are right in one aspect that like these like they see that this stuff does need to happen, but the idea that they could bring it about is so insane. They they they think they're gonna avoid it, not realizing they will will actually be the ones persecuting the church of Christ, and they will fall for the antichrist, like they will absolutely fall for the antichrist because especially because they think Trump has been chosen by God to deliver this like this stuff is nuts, man. Uh go to the other the other pastor. Give me a second. The other pastor is even crazier. I don't I don't know if you guys saw this guy.

SPEAKER_06 47:20

Um let me do let me find it.

On Escalation, Lebanon, And Proxies

SPEAKER_05 47:22

Like when you when you go to um uh apocalypse 17, even um like hang on, let me pull it out. Apocalypse 17. I think it's in six, verse six. So it's like um all right, so the woman, all right, so and he carried me away in a spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast, which was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet and bedecked with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her fornication, and on her forehead was written the name a name of mystery, Babylon the Great, mother of harlots and of earth's abominations. And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her, I marveled greatly. This is a description of Israel mixing with the former nations of Christianity, the former nations of Christendom, drunk on the blood of the martyrs, and the kings of the earth who were formerly of Christendom playing, playing, drinking her blasphemous like man, I cannot unsee the image when I see the way Israel is involved in the goings-on of the American government, the new Rome. Like, because this beast, this mystery Babylon is basically the return of Babylon. End of the the pagan religions, like the mystery Babylon is the mystery religions of Babylon. And but it's it's the it's the Babylonian Empire, which then returns in the Roman Empire. So when John is talking about it, John's describing it in the apocalypse, he's seeing Babylon returns in Rome. So he's like the beast that was, is not, and will be. So this period after Christ's ascension. The the king, the the the beast that was is not, and the and the demons are bound. Now they're able to manipulate on on a personal level here and there, but for the most part, this the demons are bound under the abyss, and God's spirit covers the earth, and all the nations are gathered in and they come to Zion. But Zion is spiritual Zion.

SPEAKER_06 49:43

Rome.

SPEAKER_05 49:44

Rome is the new Zion. Rome becomes the Roman Empire transforms. So like we're gonna do that because I don't want to blow the Pajot clip I have, because he gets into that. But so it's um the like the the demons are bound, but then they're unleashed at the end of time for a period in order for these things to play out. And it's like, I don't know, man, how could that not be what's happening right now? You see, everything that's happening in the church, too.

SPEAKER_06 50:12

It's just especially when you hear um people like Father Ripper or you know, exorcists say that um you know, prior to the 60s, uh exorcisms were a pretty quick deal, right? The the the store, the treasury of grace that the church had you know access to was so abundant that the exorcisms were quick and fairly easy. But yeah, after after the 60s, after Vatican II, after the Pope lays down his tiara, the you know it's it's like that the catacomb was gone. Okay, so the humans are no longer restrained, and now exorcism takes literally one, two, three years.

SPEAKER_05 50:50

Yeah, it's like repeated sessions have to go on over and over. Some some I thought of the other day. I don't know if it I don't know if you're gonna like this insight, but the the council and no straitate and the laying down of the papal tiara, it's basically the church telling us the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled. Like the church no longer goes out and and has these missions, right? Like, we're no longer converting the pagan nations. Think about dude, throughout history, we went and we converted the pagan nations, none were allowed to exist, yeah, except the Jews.

SPEAKER_06 51:28

The Jews were the only ones we allowed to continue, and and they were allowed to kind of exist as a nation with inside Christian. They were not allowed to have their own state, but yeah, right.

SPEAKER_05 51:41

But they were allowed to exist as a people, we let them worship their God. Like it was like a it was uh if you go to Augustine, Augustine talks about how they're almost a witness people to the truth of Christianity, and that's why we kind of allowed them. There's no other pagan nation that's allowed to exist except for them, right? And what happens in Nosherotate is all of a sudden the church is like the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled. We're we're no longer gonna convert the pagans. So now all the pagans can come and we'll we'll put, you know, we we'll we'll say we'll find the good things in your religion. Like we're done with missions, the Great Commission is over, and the church is telling us that in a really subtle way, if you have eyes to see, that's like it's like the Holy Spirit is still protecting the church from teaching heresy, like blatant heresy. But in in in some way, that council, what it's doing is letting us all know the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled and we're in something different now. The church, the this crisis is unlike any other crisis.

SPEAKER_06 52:39

Is this I mean, even the fact that the council declined to actually teach anything dogmatically, yeah. It's not the first time it's ever happened, but it's like one of two or maybe three times. But it's like you said, the it's it's like the church was saying, now we're we don't need to teach anything, we don't, you know, we don't need to convert anything.

Eschatology In Uniform: Armageddon Briefings

SPEAKER_05 53:00

Even Leo the other day saying to in this ecumenical meeting, he's like, it is not our job to build Christendom. Like, I'm telling you, it's like he's he's he's making a prophecy without knowing he's making a prophecy. It's kind of like when Caiaphas says it's better that one man die than a whole nation dies, you know. It's like he's making a prophecy about Christ. Like he he's unintentionally prophesying, and I think Leo is doing that when he says that. Like it's it's like the church is not about building Christendom anymore. That's why they can't they came up with a religious freedom. All this stuff, man. Is it this is like you guys this stuff is uh somebody somebody pointed out uh Ann Catherine Emicks Emmerich's um vision, and she's seeing the church at the end times, and and it's like the bishops are all like deformed and stuff because they're all so mired in filth in the end times. But there's a few that are still holy. But I said, but notice she doesn't say they're not bishops, right? Like she doesn't say they're not bishops, they are bishops, but they're wicked men, and that's what we're dealing with, you know. It's and the church in in some mystical way, through the Holy Spirit, we're being told where we are. Like, you have to read the signs of the times, the time of the Gentiles has been fulfilled, man. It's it's it's interesting. So, uh, so we can do we can do the um the other pastor, which is kind of wild. Yeah, this guy's nuts.

SPEAKER_02 54:37

God bless you, Mr. President, for being a friend of Israel.

SPEAKER_06 54:50

The guy up front is like, What did I get myself into?

SPEAKER_05 54:54

Well, well, understand this also. Like, if you go, if you go to St. John Chrysostom, like he's he says straight out, if you even have sympathy for their cause, you will be damned. If you even have sympathy for the cause of the Jews, you'll be damned. Like you'll get you'll get caught up in it, and you will like you're seeing God bless you, bro. Like, and remember that when the Pharisees crucified Christ, they thought they were doing God's will. Oh, he's a blasphemer, he's a false prophet, he's a false messiah, he's not the one. And they thought they were doing God's will. The problem is their father was the devil, right? These people, they're this fervor they're whipped up in, their father is the devil. Like if you're getting caught up in this stuff and you think you're gonna bring about the this is the freaking crazy false messianism, too, man. This is this stuff is nuts. But look, yeah, somebody's saying Pastor Hagee is cringe, but look at the size of the congregation cheering for this. Let's uh finish this one out.

Sermons, Zionism, And Messianic Fervor

SPEAKER_02 56:00

God bless you for having the courage to do what others feared to do. God bless our fighting forces in the Middle East in the brilliant execution. God bless our forces in the Middle East in the brilliant execution of Operation Epic Fury. Today we will discover in Bible prophecy that God has an Operation Fury. He has planned for Iran and Russia in the near future. Stay tuned in the television audience. Let's read Psalms 122, 6 through 9. Pray for the peace of Jerusalem. May they prosper who love you. Peace be within your walls, prosperity within your palaces, for the sake of my brethren and companions. I will now say, peace be unto you. Because of the house of the Lord our God, I will seek your good. Can we pray together?

SPEAKER_05 57:09

You can turn it off. But this is this is what I mean. This is a carnal reading of the scriptures. These are all passages that are fulfilled in Christ. These are all passages that are fulfilled in Christ. And these people think that they're still waiting to be fulfilled now. They read the Old Testament like it's a separate book from the New Testament, and that Old Testament applies to Israel, and the New Testament applies to the Christians. They see it as a dual covenant, whether they admit that or not, they're all psychotic. They read the Old Testament as if those are the promises for the Jews, and it's it's like it's like two different gods.

SPEAKER_06 57:47

100%, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 57:49

It's you know what uh what was that? Marcian Marcionism or something, Marcionism, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 57:55

Whether the old testament god is a brutal kind of evil demiurge, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 58:02

Yeah, it's like this stuff is uh is pretty nuts. And then the last thing I want to do before we uh head out of here, uh uh Jonathan Peugeot talked about Israel, and he doesn't usually talk about it, but he was he was being interviewed by a guy, and a guy asked him about Israel. And and Jonathan didn't even get into anything controversial, and you can see the guy got really uncomfortable. But I thought there was a couple of things in it that are interesting that you could kind of see the dynamic that played out the first time that we could see are going to play out this the in the final time.

SPEAKER_03 58:35

Definite article pass, they don't let me say the Jew. That's that's the line apparently you can't cross the definite article. But I'm obsessed with Jewish people, but it seems like the world is the right is obsessed with Jewish people again. I'm like, what hasn't that what what happened there? And the left is now obsessed with Jewish people, and everybody else isn't. I mean, I'm not obsessed with Albanians or Welsh people, you know, there's five million Welsh people, they're in a small country, like they're pretty equivalent to Israel in many ways. I'm not constantly thinking about why am I obsessed with the Jews, Jonathan?

SPEAKER_05 59:08

Daryl, if you're in RCIA, you have to be so cautious, man. You have to be so cautious in RCIA.

SPEAKER_06 59:16

Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_05 59:17

You're gonna be taught a lot of bad stuff. So he wrote, Catholics have a problem with the Old Testament, told at RCIA tonight that Adam and Eve were not married, despite that being clear in Genesis. And this came from the tutor. I'm telling you, when my wife went to RCIA, I had blowouts with the people teaching RCIA. You have to be so careful what parish you go to for RCIA. I mean, you seem like you have a pretty good grasp on the Catholic faith, and that's why you might be becoming Catholic, but please don't be led astray by these lunatics that are especially the women running the freaking RCIA.

SPEAKER_06 59:52

And trust me, we know it's a woman running your RCIA.

SPEAKER_05 59:54

Yeah, it sounds it sounds like a woman. So I mean, I my I my wife's RCIA instructor tried telling us that the Catholic Church invented the priesthood in like the 600s.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:03

I was like, what? After every RCIA session that I went to with my wife, we would have to set aside an hour afterward for me to correct through everything and correct what they were teaching her. And that was before I was a trad, so I'm sure now I'd have to spend probably two hours after yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:24

Daryl, if you have any questions, feel free to reach out to uh like shoot me a DM or you know, email or something. If you hear something shady in there that you're not sure about, like there's easy ways to find sources that you know because you're you're gonna hear some shady stuff. But uh, let's go back to Jonathan.

How Different Theologies Read The Same Texts

SPEAKER_01 1:00:44

I have to admit, I didn't think we were gonna go there, but I'm fine. I'll talk about anything. That's totally fine. Already canceled, there's nothing that's um Gibson. Okay, so there is a very deep relationship between in the West, between Christians and Jews. It's there from the very beginning. You know, the story of the relationship between Christians and Jews is the craziest story in the world. It's actually people don't realize how crazy this relationship is. That is, think about it this way. Let me just I can tell it in five minutes, and you'll see how crazy it is. So in Israel, during the time where the Romans have taken your nation, right? So the Romans are in charge, the Romans are brutally kind of holding down the the isra the Jewish nation. The Jewish nation are pretty rebellious, they're rowdy, they cause a lot of trouble. The Romans are annoyed with them, and so there's this massive tension. This Messiah appears, and this he's kind of a rabble rouse. He says wild things, things that the religious authorities don't like, but that they're also afraid of because they don't want the Romans to clamp down, so they kill him. Uh, and then people start to follow him, start to convert, and people outside start to convert, and they persecute those people. The Jewish authorities persecute those people that convert, and then the Romans start persecuting them. Who would have thought?

SPEAKER_05 1:02:10

The Romans accuse them of having burned down something, there's something he's leaving out there, and that the Romans persecute them because the Jews are antagonizing the Romans, the person, hey, these guys are cannibals. The Jews are are egging the Romans on to persecute them. Like it's not just you know, the the the the firework, the Roman candle, is is they would take Christians and dump them in oil and put them up on on posts, and and and this was at the behest of the Jews of the time. And and that's like what you're when you're when you're reading about uh uh when you're reading in the in the apocalypse, like in Apocalypse 3, where John's talking about the synagogue of Satan, and he's talking about those who say they are Jews but are not, like the main enmity is between Jews and Christians from the beginning. The Jews, the first martyr is crucif is is killed by the Jews. The like if there's this enmity from the beginning that is there, and then the Romans start to persecute the the Christians on behalf of the Jews, and then the Romans turn on the Jews. So God finish this thing out. It's not on. You don't have it on screen.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:31

Uh you don't want to do that, yeah. Persecute those people that convert, and then the Romans start persecuting them. Who would have thought? The Romans accuse them of having burnt down uh part of Rome, and they start to like massively persecute them. Then the Romans destroy Jerusalem, burn it down, the whole thing, no more temple, no more really, no more nothing. The most, the biggest destruction that Israel has ever dealt with, you know, since the exile of Babylon or whatever. And so you have this weird situation. And so this like so the Jews are spread out during the Roman Empire, the Christians are there, they're being persecuted. And then the weirdest thing in the world happens, which is the Romans start to follow that Messiah that they killed before the destruction of Jerusalem. And then everything flips. All of a sudden, those Christians that were persecuted for centuries are now in power, and they're the same power that destroyed the temple. Now, think about that. That is wild. That is the wildest.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:38

And I think it sounds even more wild. Like if you were to tell that story and say, okay, there's this group of people called the Welsh, right? And they were occupied by the Romans, and then like God was born into the Welsh. So God was kind of Welsh, but then the Welsh kind of killed God, so the Welsh also responsible. This guy is so uncomfortable. And then the Welsh had like the money because they weren't allowed to own land. Like that, you'd see how wild it was, right? If you just used another you use different terms.

Apocalypse Imagery And Modern Power

SPEAKER_01 1:05:01

So you now you have this weird relationship, which is that as the Christianity grows in the Roman Empire, they eliminate all the cults. So now there are no more of the pagan cults, no other religion is allowed in Europe except one, which is Judaism. Why? And so the Christians preserve the Jews in Europe, they they they let them exist as Jews, and they're the only ones, no one else is allowed to continue to exist. And it's a it's a very weird, tenuous relationship. And so the Jews become the outsiders in with us, right? The symbolic other. Yeah, they become the the official other, they become the remnant of an old world, they become like a residue of the old world that is still among us and is in some ways acts as a margin in every way. So the Jews act as margins in every single way. They, you know, they they they have all of these kind of uh flexible positions, they don't own land, they have all of these roles that are really the role of. Margin. And so when it goes well, it's beautiful and it's wonderful. It's a it's it you because you need that. You actually need innovative scientists, comedian, you need otherness in you because or else you become completely hermetic and you close off. So when it goes well, it's beautiful, and then when it doesn't go well, then it's kind of horrible. Um, you know, because on the one hand, you have this problem, which means now you have someone with other intentions inside you, so you have people that have other allegiances that are part of you, and so when things start to go wrong, they become they're suspicious of them, and then sometimes maybe they also care more about themselves than you, and so that's a problem, too. And so they have this problem that sets itself up. So we have a long story. I mean, it's like 1500 years.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:45

It's like this gets into like uh E. Michael Jones's Jewish revolutionary spirit stuff, right? They're the the Christians do preserve the Jews as like a witness people to Christianity, but the Jews are not happy with their stat their status ever, and that's why they get behind every revolution to try to undo Christianity because they're like we're claiming that the God of Abraham gave us the promises, and look at how prosperous we've been for 2,000 years. Like the prosperity that God has blessed us with drives them insane. It it's like it drives them insane when you see the fruits of Christendom. So they're always trying to undermine it. They're but they're behind the the the Protestant Reformation, they're behind the Russian Revolution, they're behind they're behind every one of these major things because they reject Logos, or at least involved in them, if not. Yeah, yeah, but they're always egging them on, in other words. I'm not saying they cause them all, but they're always, you know, they see tensions in Christendom, they're like, ooh, we can we could lead to uh uh an undoing of the thing that's been, you know, and now and now we're in a situation where they do have their own homeland again, and they are trying to bring about the these like their and and what's interesting is when you read about Christ's return, he's gonna return through the like the western gate of where the temple was, is going to be in Israel when he returns. It's like there's so many things that are set up right now that it's I don't think anybody's crazy for thinking you know that that something something like that it's like if you're reading the signs of the times, it does it does have that vibe. None of us know the day or the hour, and this has been going on for 50 years. So, you know, it could be another 50 years. Let's pray for that. These people that are trying to bring it about are psychotic. We don't we don't want it. Like you don't, you don't you don't want to bring about there's gonna be lead to tons of Christian person, like real the real Christians are going to suffer persecution through this period. It's gonna be it's gonna be a rough period. So, you know, we can like what what I've been hoping is that the theater of war is over there. Like like right now, the theater of war is the Middle East.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:16

I hope it stays there.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:18

I hope if if wider war breaks out, I hope it stays in Europe. Um, I do think we're gonna be dealing with our own problems at home. I think we're gonna be dealing with civil war here at home. I think you're gonna be dealing with um Jews inflaming the tensions between Muslims and Christians in the US. Um yeah, it's shellfish. Can't be Jewish. What do you mean? It's not Jewish, it's shellfish. The Jews can't even eat lobster. What's wrong with you? You guys don't even know. Don't even know what you're saying. So um, yeah, uh and one of my frustrations with all the Catholics talking about Zionism right now is none of them are uh discussing the implications of it. They all understand it's a heresy, and they all understand like you can't support Zionism, but it's almost like they don't understand why and what's happening in Israel right now.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:13

They just know it's the big, big current thing.

Exorcists, Restraint, And The 20th Century Shift

SPEAKER_05 1:10:17

It's the big current thing, so they're jumping on it, and it's like, oh, you know, Catholics can't be Zionists, but I'm talking everybody from Michael Matt to every everybody that I've watched. They they're um they're none of them are saying things that are untrue, they're just not discussing the implications of it. And and it really was the Romans 9 through 11 stuff that made me really understand like God is allowing them to gather back into this land, and then just thinking about like how they interpret the scriptures there, their whole thing is just this carnal, like talking to Maudsley, man, listening to him break down some of the Christian Zionism stuff and this demonic reading of the scriptures, and how they they read the old testament and they're like, This is how this is gonna be fulfilled, and it's so disgusting and evil. And um, yeah, that it's been uh it's really, really interesting because you know who first got me to think about this is really funny. Was uh like a leftist Catholic. Oh it was a guy who was a Protestant preacher who converted, he was on the journey home. His name's Jason something. Man, I can't remember his last name, but he started a podcast called like the drunk expastors, and I checked it out, and and he he didn't want to do the the EWTN thing, so he was a pastor and he became Catholic, and he saw like everybody writing their conversion stories and going through all this stuff, and he goes, you know what, I don't want to be a professional Catholic, and he kind of just like he he wound up taking a very liberal view of Catholicism, but he had some pretty good insights early on before he winds up going there, and one of the things he talked about was Jason Stellman, yes, Jason Stellman, and one of the things he talked about was how our foreign policy was shaped by Chris Christian dispensationalists because he came from that world, like he he came from the Christian Christian dispensationalist world and he became Catholic, and he was talking about it on like one of the early episodes when I used to listen to them, and he was like, Yeah, he's like, I don't know if most Catholics understand why we're so emphatic in our government about supporting Israel, and he got into that. Was like my first clue into holy cow, this stuff is crazy, and that was years ago, it was like seven years ago or something, and from there, conversations I've had with Rob and and then listening to Scott Hahn, like Scott Hahn maybe semite. I don't know what to tell you guys. And when I saw the Gavin Scott Hahn interview, I was just like it it kind of upset me because I know Scott Hahn sees the same stuff I do, and he doesn't speak out publicly about it. And it's like uh it's a bit of it's a bit of cowardice on his part, I think. Like he he skirts around he it's like it's like he knows he'll lose certain privileges if he actually starts talking talking about this stuff well. And um I just think he he thinks the same thing I do, because I know people in his orbit. And he says things behind the scenes behind closed doors. And I just wonder why a guy that well versed sees this this obsession with Catholic Zionism, doesn't present it in a way like kind of like we do, where it's like, look, this is this is what's happening in salvation history, this is why you can't support Zionism. It's not it's not just Zionism is a heresy and it's Chris Pens Christian dispensationalists and stuff. It's like, no, it's because they're trying to build the kingdom of Satan on earth. It was it was Monsley who first gave me that phrase, and I've never ever not had it sit with me, and I just been pondering it for a year and a half, just because I used to be one of the you know, Israel has a rank to exist guys, and it's man, do I have a different opinion on that stuff now.

Time Of The Gentiles And Mission Drift

SPEAKER_06 1:14:19

So things have definitely changed the last five, six years. I would say so.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:25

I think all of us, all of us, right? All of us have come around to a very different position on this stuff, and I know it gets tiresome sometimes, but like when you're seeing war break out in Iran, we kind of have to have the conversation. And there's always new people checking out the show, and uh they may not have heard it, so I know you guys get tired of me and my rants and me talking about this stuff. I we'll try to do it a little differently each episode, like this one. I think we played some clips and did it that way, but um it's it's stuff that does need to be talked about, and it's stuff I want you guys to be able to go and explain. So sometimes you got to hear something three or four times before you can go and explain. I had to listen to the Romans 9 through 11 six-hour lecture series multiple times before I actually understood the subject matter and was able to relay it. So I try to bring it down to a level where people can understand it. My boat will be an escape pod.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:23

We're gonna mount some of my guns on that thing, and it's gonna be awesome.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:27

My boat's gonna be an escape pod to get the hell off Long Island because if they ever did shut down the bridges of New York, I'd be screwed without that boat. Um, yeah, guys, pray for peace, man. Because like like men have their own machinations, but God could do something. Our late what another thing is like our lady hasn't appeared in a long time. And it's like she gave us all these warnings that my son, I'm holding my son's hand back.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:55

What do you mean? Now that the pandemic over, she appears every day at Metro Gordon.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:59

Yeah, right. Every one of her messages that are approved by the church were like, I'm holding my son's wrath back. This is a period of mercy. Do penance, pray. So those are the only things we actually can do about it. Like, if this stuff is happening, it's happening. And all we can really do is keep our relationship right with God. So let's do that. We're gonna go over and discuss Shia now. I have I have some interesting clips that were not posted on X that I thought were really interesting. And I also like I really uh I really I really like identified with some of the some of the way he was talking, even though I have whatever, we'll do it over there. It's it's some interesting stuff. We'll get into with Shia. Uh, if you guys, even if you guys have seen the clips, I think you'll I think you'll appreciate the insight. So if you guys are not members, join us over on locals. That's where we do the stuff we can't do over here. Um you think you're using the boat to get off the island if they lock it down? Uh I don't know. I'm gonna try. Could maybe get to Connecticut or Jersey. I don't know what I'll do once I'm there, or I'll be on foot.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:17

But I don't know, man. If the end of the world's happening, I think Jersey is the last place I would go.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:22

You want to know what's what's the places that actually would be struck first are like North Dakota, Montana. Like that's where our missile silos are. That's where we keep our nukes. That's what I'm saying. It's not gonna be New York, New Jersey. If they're going for strategic bombings, it's gonna be New York and New York.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:40

New Jersey are happening 100%. Yeah, probably. Just for the symbolic, just for the symbolic value, not just symbolic uh economy, trade economy, you know, uh the the all the shipping they go. Yeah, no, you're getting nukes. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:53

First time I hope I'm taking out in the blast, to be honest. I don't I have no desire to like live through some marauding bands of rapists and no way. Take me out in the blast. I don't want to live in the post-apocalyptic hellscape.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:08

See, and where I'm completely the opposite. I have been preparing for that my whole life. I have an armory so I can arm my block and be the warlord, the local warlord of my area.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:18

Well, if I can make it to Minnesota, that's where I'm going, but I better get some hard copy laminated maps because I have a feeling the internet will be down. I won't be able to use GPS to get there. Alright, guys, we're going over to locals. Join us.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:35

Uh what should I play as a find an oldie but goody? Whatever. No, I'm not gonna do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:53

Akita, man. We should do a kita one night.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:55

We've done Akita.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:58

We should do, we should do because you remember like back in in the early days, everybody would do Fatima and Akita, and they would go through all the it's been a while. We should do it.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:08

Yeah, we could definitely.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:09

I know we have, but it's been it's been a long time. We got a whole new audience now and stuff. We should we should go through Akita. Because Akita's wild, man. Fire from the sky, bishops against bishop. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:19:20

We'll just play. Okay, we're gonna we're leaving now.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:22

We'll see you guys.