Avoiding Babylon
Avoiding Babylon was started during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic. During these difficult and dark days, when most of us were isolated from family, friends, our parishes, and even the Sacraments themselves, this channel was started as a statement of standing against the tyrannical mandates that many of us were living under. Since those early days, this channel has morphed into an amazing community of friends…no…more than friends…Christian brothers and sisters…who have grown in joy and charity.
As we see it, our job here at Avoiding Babylon is to remind ourselves and those who enjoy the channel that being Catholic is a joyful and exciting experience. We seek true Catholic fraternity and eutrapelia with other Catholics who, like us, are doing their best to live out their vocation with the help of God’s Grace. Above all, we try to bring humor and joy to the craziness of this fallen world, for as Hillaire Belloc has famously said:
“Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine,
There’s always laughter and good red wine.
At least I’ve always found it so.
Benedicamus Domino!”
Avoiding Babylon
2/24/26 LOCALS Show
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What if a conference actually centered people instead of stages? We’ve been sketching a new model: short, focused talks tied to a single theme, followed by rotating roundtables where speakers sit with small groups and swap tables every twenty minutes. No marathon lectures. No numb chairs. Just real conversation, then unhurried time together over bourbon and cigars so ideas can breathe. We want fewer performances and more encounters, a space where curious Catholics and thoughtful friends can test assumptions, ask blunt questions, and leave with relationships that outlast the badge.
That people-first lens runs through everything we tackle this week. Lent gets real when you’re at home and the pantry is loud, so we trade hacks on environment design, meatless protein, and why Sundays feel like oxygen. We confront the mess in the media machine—viral promos, sloppy receipts, and the way outrage beats rigor—because credibility matters if you’re speaking with authority. We also get concrete about Catholic identity where it counts: obituaries that ask for prayers instead of instant canonizations, clarity on Communion, and reverence around cremation and burial. Language shapes belief, especially when grief and custom collide.
Public stakes show up in Minnesota’s proposed gun bills—semi-auto bans, registration, and warrantless home inspections for grandfathered owners—raising constitutional and practical alarms. Then we turn to the geopolitical horizon: mounting pressure around Iran, BRICS implications, and how easily a “limited” plan can spill beyond intentions. We don’t posture; we pray for prudence, steady hands, and the wisdom to choose truth over theater.
If you’re hungry for a conference that trades clout for clarity, or you’ve wrestled with fasting, funerals, media trust, gun rights, or the risk of war, this one’s for you. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs a saner take, and leave a review with the one question you want on a roundtable card next time.
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SPEAKER_01:Okay. It's actually playing. Okay. Um, hopefully Anthony finds the stream real quick. Uh I don't I that's my b my bad guys. Uh I don't know how I don't know why I did that. I actually accidentally clicked end stream. Um, which ended the whole stream, but we are uh hold on, Anthony's coming in. Okay, we're live. What the heck did you do? I played the outro video instead of just playing a video. I so it ended everything. We were ending the stream, yeah. All right, so I have to bring up the new locals chat. Don't worry, people. I mean, there's there's already 77 people in here. They all found it rather quickly.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, let me uh let me say what'd you do? Impromptu local stream, so that's the one I gotta join. All right, you guys figured it out.
SPEAKER_01:All right, there we go. Everyone thinks I did it, so you could tell me the secret real quick before local.
SPEAKER_03:I should have. I don't know why he jumped on so quick. I don't know, I don't know why he jumped on so quick. Oh man, that's my bad. What I can say is that um Do you want to wait for it to be private first?
SPEAKER_01:Give it 50 seconds.
SPEAKER_03:I'm not what I what I can say is that we have to come up with our own conference.
SPEAKER_01:So we already were gonna do that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, no, like with like the wheels are in motion that we actually have to do it now. Um why uh because we have to. Uh the the conferences that are out there are just uh okay.
SPEAKER_01:You're making it way hard.
SPEAKER_03:Like I'll text you. We can't say it.
SPEAKER_01:So guys, we're gonna be quiet for about two minutes while Anthony sends a text and then while I read a text. And then him and I will talk about the text very obliquely to where you won't understand. This is great stuff, guys. You're gonna love it. No, that's it.
SPEAKER_03:I said that's it.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, that's what a son of a Yeah, dude. Not surprising. Not surprising, but matter of fact, it all all it does is confirm everything I ever thought of the guy.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and that's why I said, like, once I get permission, I'm gonna go off. I don't know why he I don't know why he hasn't said it. I don't know why he hasn't said it. But he should, I I mean, I told him he should. I think he should just come out and say it, but yeah, why not? He's gonna handle it his own way. Um it's just uh like if right if right if we if we do a conference, it's not going to be like any other conference, though. It's going to be we're gonna get we're gonna get like people who you guys like from this show. Like it'll be the regulars on this show, and they're gonna give half hour talks. Like it's not gonna be hours of of tedious talks all day. Everybody's gonna give a 30-minute presentation, we'll get through them, there'll be a theme for the conference, and then the rest of the time is gonna be spent like hanging out together and like spending time with bourbon and and cigars and just talking with each other, getting to meet everybody.
SPEAKER_01:Do you think it'd be possible to do um like do the talks, like you said, and then do like a route, like a mix of like round table social time where like everyone's exactly what I want to do? Like a table of like eight, and each table has at least one of the speakers, and then after 20 minutes, that speaker presenter switches, switches. And the topic's gonna be about whatever anything, anything anyone wants.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, then we could do like a panel discussion and let the audience ask questions, things like that. Like it's just I just want it to be way more interactive and not when like when you go to the other conferences, you're just sitting in a room in an uncomfortable chair listening for hours on end to the talks, and they're just they just get to be by the end of it. I don't care how good the talk is, you're spent. You're just totally spent. Yeah. So um, yeah, I'd like to uh I'd like to do something different. Yeah, my wife will have requisite AI images on the videos, by the way. She's she's just like she's like, I hate that picture, but it's not you tell him to stop making AI images of you.
SPEAKER_01:She wasn't like what I was what I told Aunt was, well, have your actual professional photographer wife actually take photos of you, and then I won't have to do it. That was my plan from the very I knew this was gonna happen, and it wasn't.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, dude, this is not okay. How's it gone going?
SPEAKER_01:It's going pretty good so far. Yeah, yeah, it's uh the fasting and things are going good.
SPEAKER_03:So I found that if I'm home, it is so much harder to fast. And like I'm laid off a lot right now. Like, I'm home this week again because of weather. And so yesterday I woke up and all I wanted to do was make breakfast, and I'm like, I'm not doing it, I'm getting out of the house. So I went outside and I spent six hours shoveling snow. I got my whole driveway done. Um, and then I woke up this morning feeling like I went through I don't I get my body hurts so bad. I have sciatica from it. It was sucks. It was so bad. It's such a heavy snow, it's like a wet, heavy two feet of snow. It was brutal. My snowblower couldn't even get through it. So this morning I walk woke up feeling the same way, and I was just like, I threw my snow boots back on, and I went back outside and I started shoveling pathways to everything just to keep myself busy because if I'm in the house, all I want to do is go to the cupboard. So like I I found myself running errands, and I'm like, I I went out, I drove like an hour to uh a ski store that's like the further ski store to go get stuff for our trip, and I listened to your Lenten meditation, and then I started listening to your interview with your with your grandparents. Um, there's really not much to listen to in the Catholic sphere right now.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, it what happened?
SPEAKER_03:I don't know. There's not like there's not much to listen to. Um, I did find it interesting that Taylor said when he went to Italy, he uh he went to Italy and they went to have a Latin mass there, and they they told them they could have they could have mass in any language but Latin.
SPEAKER_01:So just think for a second how retarded that is.
SPEAKER_03:It's insane. Totally insane. Um, yeah, decluttering. So Molly said she liked declutters around her house. My wife, too, she's just constantly like picking up new projects just to keep yourself busy. It's really hard when I'm home. If I'm at work, I'm just busy and I just stay busy and I don't think about it, and I just kind of go through my day, and the hunger doesn't hit me until my commute home. And then my commute home, I'm like, okay, what's for dinner? I'm ready to eat. But the the being home thing is really, really tough, man. I I have to constantly find stuff to do to occupy my mind.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I um I don't fast on the weekends because it is so hard at home when I'm in like when I'm making breakfast for the kids, you know, and then lunch for the kids. It's better than that.
SPEAKER_03:Sunday's not a fast day, so right. So Sunday, um, I look forward to a lot. I really look forward to Sunday because you you could get up and you can make breakfast and stuff. So Sundays are Sundays are fine, but Saturdays.
SPEAKER_01:The Saturday will will be a fast day because it's gonna be Ember Saturday. So I I will definitely fast then. And it sucks because my my kids they oh they love bacon for breakfast. Oh man, that smell.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, dude, you smell bacon throughout the house when you're fasting. And the um finding a way to ingest enough protein is also a challenge. So I mean it's it's easy on typical days, but on Wednesdays and Fridays, I'm trying to do no meat. Well, not trying, Fridays, I do no meat.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I I haven't been doing I've I've done no meat, um, but I do a lot of fish, a lot, a lot of fish, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Uh Majarian told me just do um shrimp. He said shrimp is actually like pure protein. He said, so if you just eat pure shrimp, that's pure protein.
SPEAKER_01:So I shrimp, crab, lobster, they're all basically insects of the sea, and they have a ton of protein.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Um can of tuna, 40 grams of protein, eggs and sand.
SPEAKER_01:Eggs, I I eat a lot of I um crab omelets are really good. Lobster omelets, too.
SPEAKER_03:Um, yeah, all right. Yeah, we eat lobster. Settle down, but it's if it's your only meal for the day, come on. And it's not like we're eating lobster every Friday. He's there's sending us one thing of lobster. I'll maybe get one Friday out of it.
SPEAKER_01:It is dolphin fish. Huh. I guess if beavers fish, then dolphins fish.
SPEAKER_03:Let's uh all right, let's do the candice promo because this is kind of nuts.
SPEAKER_01:Oh man, I have not watched it.
SPEAKER_03:Let me pull it off. Okay, let's watch the let's watch the canvas promo. Nothing to eat but lobster. Woe is me. That's the worst. Oh yeah, the thing is, like, so I have been eating eggs, but traditionally you're not supposed to eat eggs already. Like, that's where the Easter bunny stuff comes from, is because you're supposed to not have eggs all throughout Easter, and then you're supposed to go and you know, you it turned into this goofy Easter bunny thing, but it's the the bringing back of eggs on Easter is is the tradition of you didn't have eggs all through Easter. But I definitely eat eggs because eggs, eggs are good for me.
SPEAKER_01:Someone says, Yeah, wait till they get a caviar sponsorship.
SPEAKER_03:I gave up alcohol for Lent too, though. So we went out to dinner with her family for her. So all right, so for her parents, for her parents' Christmas present, we're we were like, Oh, we'll take you guys out to a really nice restaurant. This Greek restaurant, Lamani, that's by me, right?
SPEAKER_01:And please, please, Aunt, please tell me you do not order a gyro. No, no, no, no, no. It's not that kind of Greek food.
SPEAKER_03:It's like like high-end Greek foods. Yeah, I know. So I I got grilled octopus for an app. It was phenomenal, it was like amazing when I tell you. But then I ordered uh I ordered a ribeye for dinner, and I hadn't eaten all day, and I'm not drinking. And being around, like I'm a dry drunk. If I'm around people that are drinking, I'm just like, I don't, I don't, they're annoying. Like, I don't want to be around people that are drinking when I'm when I'm sober. So we go out to dinner, and everybody's drinking, but me and my wife, and I'm kind of like, Oh, right, I don't even want to deal with this right now. But I'm like, at least I got food to look forward to. They bring out this ribeye, it was the driest, most flavorless steak I'd ever eaten in my life.
SPEAKER_01:The the absolute ribeye, dude.
SPEAKER_03:They bring it out to me, and I cut into this thing. It was the driest. So I what I think happened was they prepared the food, and my steak was probably ready first, and they put it in a thing to keep it warm, and it just dried it out. And when it came out to me, I literally took two bites of it, and the guy didn't even come around and asked if like we needed salt or anything. I couldn't even like salt it to like make it flake have a little flavor. So the guy finally comes around like 15-20 minutes after giving us our food, after the food runner brings out the food, and I just grab and I go, take this disgusting piece of meat off my tab. I'm not paying for it, and I just handed it to him. My wife is so mad at me right now, she's like, Can you not ruin dinner? Can you please not make everybody uncomfortable right now? Because she sees me seething, Rob, I'm seething. I'm like, this disgusting man.
SPEAKER_01:I I've been I was there in North Carolina. Remember when you thought your order of shrimp was the two little shrimp that you oh dude, and you're sitting there, you're sitting there like white knuckling.
SPEAKER_03:Just I'm like, did I is that is that I ordered that? That's all that's coming out to me, dude. I was so livid with this steak. So I'm like, I'm like, take this disgusting piece of meat off the tab. I'm not paying for it. And I just handed it back to him. And now the manager comes over, and I'm thinking the manager is gonna like tell me that and she's like, sir, can you is there any way I could just ask you what was wrong? I go, I'm not paying for that steak. I go, I don't care. I'm not paying. She goes, Well, no, I'm not, I'm gonna take it off the thing. I just I want to know why, so I could at least let the chef know. I go, that steak had absolutely zero seasoning on it, and it was the driest piece of meat I've ever had. I said, I came to a restaurant, you order a ribeye, you expect to have a nice steak. I said, Take that thing off the menu, don't ever serve it to anybody ever again. She goes, sir, order whatever dessert you want, it's on us. Don't worry about it.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, I've learned not to uh not to order steaks at restaurants because I it's something I it's something that is not hard to do well, and I I do it really well, and then every time I order one, and you pay you pay way too much more than it was a 75 steak, dude. And every time I've ever ordered one, it's always like I could have done better.
SPEAKER_03:So we but I that we oh man, me uh when we went away, me and my wife, we went up to Sogarties, and it was just for like our her birthday and Valentine's Day. We went away just the two of us for that weekend, and we went to this restaurant up in Sogarties. Um, and everything we ordered on this menu, when I tell you, it was like the first time I had ever tasted these flavors. We ordered, we ordered like the dude, it was the most interesting food I had ever eaten. And I I just it was so good that so that we went there on her birthday, which was Friday, the 13th, uh February 13th. And I'm like, Nicole, we have to come back here tomorrow. And the next day was Valentine's Day, and there's no way you're getting a dinner reservation for Valentine's Day. And I'm like, I don't care if we come for lunch, like I need to come back here and eat this food again. I every single thing we ordered was the most amazing thing I had ever tasted in my life. So, and one of them was steak. I I ordered a steak, but it was dude, the way they made the steak was just like I can't even describe it.
SPEAKER_01:It was so good. Why are we talking about this stuff during that? I don't know. This is an interesting story.
SPEAKER_03:So then I come, I come back and I'm at this Greek restaurant, and the the freaking Greeks suck at meat, man. Yeah, that that that is literally me.
SPEAKER_01:The steak's not as good as koi.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, everything else that A1, tons of A1. If they if the guy had come around, I would have asked him for steak sauce. But by the time he came around, the thing was sitting there for 25 minutes. It was ice cold. I wasn't eating it. I was just so frustrated at that point. So that it's just like to to go out to dinner during Lentis, Rob, even like this, we're going away for a vacation, and we're going up to Lake Placid, which is where the uh Winter Olympics were in 1980. Yeah, the 1980 Olympics were nice. So they have an Olympics complex there where you could go um you could go on the Luge, you could also do bobsledding, and they have like a toboggan that shoots you out onto Lake Placid because Lake Placid's frozen solid this time of year. So it's uh they have this toboggan that they set up that you could go down and get then you could do these uh like horse-drawn carriages on the lake, and they have the iditarod. You could go on the dog sleds and stuff. It's so we're we're gonna have fun up there, but um all I'm thinking about is okay, like I can't eat and I can't do this. So I wanted the I wanted the lobster there for Friday so that at least we could have because my in-laws are coming, and they don't you know I don't know what they're doing for Lent, but I don't I don't want to burden them with my Lent. So I'm like, if we can at least bring the lobsters up, they'll enjoy that, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, so next um next Friday, as of right now, is like going to be my grandma's funeral, right? And they're talking about where to do like the luncheon afterward. And I and I go, I you know, I don't really care where we do it, just as long as you know they have a have a option for fish or something without meat, and everyone's just kind of quiet. I'm like, you know, because it's a Friday during Lent and we're all supposedly Catholic. They're all like, oh, I'm like, oh, you guys are gonna screw up this funeral someday.
SPEAKER_03:It is crazy. You want you'll get that, but then you'll also get like I have guys I work with who haven't been to mass in 20 years, but they won't eat meat on Fridays during Lent. And uh and those guys, I'm just like, dude, they'll they think that they're they'll go to hell if they eat meat on Fridays during Lent. Like, and I'm just like, dude, you haven't been to Mass in 20 years, like you're not going to hell for eating meat. Like, there's not an extra level of hell you're gonna go to for not eating, but that's like how bare minimum their cultural Catholicism is. It's like I don't have to go to church, but I just can't eat meat on Fridays during Lent. I get into screaming matches with those guys, like screaming matches. I'm like, you're worried about eating meat during Lent? You've you're on your third marriage. What are you talking about?
SPEAKER_01:Dude, I I had to rewrite the obituary for my grandma because they're like they're like, uh on uh last Friday, uh Estelquas went to the Lord. I'm like, no, no, no, no, we're not Protestants, take that out. And they're like, uh in the at the end, I'm like, say uh have ask for prayers at the end. And they're like, we asked for prayers for her peaceful eternal rest. I'm like, just say repose, you just say repose, God.
SPEAKER_03:It's it's crazy how but that honestly, I you gotta see that as a hierarchy issue, too, right? They've stopped even that's that's what the biggest issue to me is, with especially the last two papases, is that they've taken our Catholic identity away so much, where even to stand out as a little different as Catholics, like there was a time when McDonald's had to put out the fillet of fish for Catholics on Fridays during lunch.
SPEAKER_01:Yep, yep. One uh one franchisee decided to do it because his business was failing, and he wanted to get Catholics in on Fridays, so he put out the fillet of fish, and bam. So, you want to hear something funny? Yeah, I have uh one of my aunts likes to think she's very Catholic, so much so she loves to watch Father Altman, yeah, right? She's like, I just want to make sure I get a chance to go up and say this prayer before mass. I'm like, No, no, Aunt Deb. No, you no, one as a woman, you shouldn't be going up there at all. And two, that's not how the liturgy works. You don't get to go up and say a random prayer at the start of mass. So, no, holy cow, she's like, Okay, but when do I get to give the eulogy?
SPEAKER_03:We're Catholics, we don't give eulogies, you'll get one gives a homily, you'll get a eulogy from the priest, I bet you'll get a you'll get the priest saying she's in heaven. That's the problem.
SPEAKER_01:This is a priest who had lived the Eucharistic prayer a couple years ago when we went there for mass with my grandma. You should talk about this before. Oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna tell him um, can you please make sure to announce that if you uh aren't currently a Catholic in a state of grace, do not come up for communion? And I guarantee that you won't do that.
SPEAKER_03:No, you won't do that. Should do that, and you should say, Can you please not canonize her? Yeah, like like don't canonize her, just just just you know, like really we shouldn't be canonizing people in their eulogy. You could talk about what a beautiful person they were, but we should always be asking for prayers for the repose of their soul. Like it's a it's a it's a tricky thing, man, because people like they just want to feel good, you know, and they just want a feel good homily, or they just want to feel good, you know. You could I I think you'd give you could give some kind of a eulogy at the wake, right?
SPEAKER_01:Um, there won't be a wake because they're cremating her, of course. Okay, um, right, yeah. I'm not even gonna bother with that one because they cremated my grandpa 20 years ago, so that's dead that's done and gone, but um, yeah, like like for my grandpa's funeral, you know, my godmother gave up, stood, stood up into luncheon and gave a you know, like a little eulogy sort of thing.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Which I I'm okay with that. Yeah, that's totally fine. That's appropriate. It's just not at the mass, that's all. Not at the funeral mass. That shouldn't be it shouldn't be at the funeral mass. Yeah. Altman. Uh I don't really care.
SPEAKER_01:I'm so happy you're off the bandwagon again.
SPEAKER_03:I just I just you see there's like a toxic spirit there, man. It's like you just see this toxicity there. And I don't know. I mean I saw I said when I saw his talk at the cancel priest conference, I walked out because he started in with the G Dams, everybody, like he started in with like I took I've talked to um the I've talked to the most radical traditionalist hard priest ever about that, which would I would say is uh Father Isaac. Even Father Isaac's like, he's supposed to be praying for these men. Like you're not you you're not damning their souls like that. Like you're praying, you're supposed to be praying for these men. These men are wicked, yes. But you don't announce they're damned. Like you just you have, you know, that's that's not our place.
SPEAKER_01:Someone asked if we as Catholics are allowed to keep the ashes of cremated family members, and the answer is no, you have to treat ashes just as you would treat a body that wasn't cremated, so you can't keep a body in your home, and definitely you have to bury it, you can't split a body into pieces to go to different family members, you can't spread a body over the ocean or whatever. So, whatever you would you whatever you can and can't do with a non-cremated body is supposed to be how you treat cremated remains.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and it's not like God can't resurrect a cremated body. I mean, people but die in fires, and God will resurrect their body, you know.
SPEAKER_01:And the church says it is okay to cremate bodies in times of you know, like in times of plague, the church, yeah. The issue is that it makes it way easier to um to abuse remains.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, and that that idea of oh, well, you take a little bit of the ashes and you take so we all have a little bit of the ashes in our home, like that's where it's it gets bonkers.
SPEAKER_01:You basically like I have grandma's pinky finger on my mantelplace.
SPEAKER_03:That's basically what you're saying, but but and what's even more absurd, honestly, when you do cremate somebody, they're mixing their ashes in with somebody else's remains.
SPEAKER_01:That's something most people don't realize. And like my my mom, who is by no means a traditional Catholic at all, she worked at a funeral home, and she's like, if you think all the ashes you're getting are from only your loved one, you're nuts.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, no, they're they cremate one body after another, and they're just getting you're getting you're getting a mishmash of different people's ashes.
SPEAKER_01:Someone, someone said, uh, I've been screwing up. What do I do with my grandma's ashes since her ashes are all split up? Man, it's like a hard genie to put back in the bottle, kind of. You gotta you have to try to get all the ashes gathered and and buried.
SPEAKER_03:Um, it's a really hard situation. Currently helping currently helping a friend come back to the faith, and it took some explaining as to why he needs to go to confession, stop receiving the Eucharist until then. Just gotta play the bad guy for a bit because the priests don't talk about it. Um, it's hard to keep up with the comments here. The problem is it's so much cheaper. I don't think most would cremate if burial wasn't so expensive. Uh like why most people do it. Uh, that ash is an inversion of relics of the saints spreading it to other people.
SPEAKER_01:Um ash is from a dog. It's a dog is not a human body, it doesn't matter what you do with them. Not to be unsensitive or Rob hates dogs and doesn't want them in heaven. Um there will there will no there will be no resurrection of the body for dogs, so it doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_03:Uh a body help us get a Thomas the girlfriend. Let's get a Thomas girlfriend. Uh creaming is getting expensive too, though.
SPEAKER_01:Uh the issue is is so many of the regulations. Majority said puppies burn in hell.
SPEAKER_03:I don't I'll I'll never I'll never have a dog, so I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you said that about cats too.
SPEAKER_03:I've had a dog and it didn't work out well. That's why I know I'll never get a dog.
SPEAKER_01:And I actually love dogs, but I am I do I do too.
SPEAKER_03:I just they I don't want one. They're they're too much work. Like you think it's hard to get a babysitter? It's harder to get a dog sitter than a babysitter. People like your kids. Nobody wants your stupid dog when you want to go away. All right, Candace Owens. Let's do the Candace Owens. Coy's definitely go to hell.
SPEAKER_00:President Trump says that Kirk has died after he was shot from a nearby building. After being shot at Utah Valley University. The great and even legendary Charlie Kirk is dead. The cries of this widow will echo around the world like a battle cry.
SPEAKER_02:I didn't even get to give him a kiss. Goodbye.
unknown:That young man.
SPEAKER_02:I forgive him.
SPEAKER_05:Take your time.
SPEAKER_00:Erica Kirk has been named the new CEO of Turning Point USA. My husband's dead.
SPEAKER_02:Like, I'm not trying to be morbid, but he's dead. It's weird to say excited.
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SPEAKER_03:Nobody knows why she's out there in a glittering pantsuit in a recreated tent that her husband tragically was murdered in, throwing merch out. Everyone leaves differently, so someone's acting weird.
SPEAKER_02:Don't read into that.
SPEAKER_03:Zionists, the Prime Minister of Israel, all lied through their teeth about Charlie Kirk.
SPEAKER_00:Her operation was in Constanta, the epicenter of Romania's trafficking scandal. We had conversations to have with the 15-year-old. I'm gonna touch your butt. 8.6 million dollars to their own shell company. What is going on in Hyde?
SPEAKER_02:My aunt used to tell me never do something that you don't want on the front page of a newspaper.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, she is shady, man. And I felt it from the first time I saw her, but all the different stuff you're seeing coming up. So everybody's going nuts that that Candace is about to do this. This is a new low for you. Dan Bon Gino went off today telling her to go F herself. She's a demon from the pit of hell. The thing with Kansas is like I she's just she's just doing like gossipy women stuff. Like, I don't I don't not that we don't ever do that, but like like we I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:We definitely haven't been called the Catholic view.
SPEAKER_03:I'm just like, I just don't I can't watch a full Kansas episode. I don't know. I don't really care what Candace is. I do think it's I mean, she's gonna do an expose on Erica, and it's probably it's probably needed. Like, I think there's something really off and weird about Erica Kirk, man.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but here's the thing, I wish someone besides Candace was doing it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I agree.
SPEAKER_01:Candace is just not smart, like she doesn't know some very basic things. Someone in her position should know, and it really like destroys all credibility. Anything she puts out has.
SPEAKER_03:Well, that's kind of what I was getting at with the Carrie Purgeen bowler thing, too.
SPEAKER_01:100% too.
SPEAKER_03:Like everybody was uh like raising this woman up, and I'm saying, like, she can't even answer basic questions. This woman, and everybody wants to give her awards and invite her to speak at the CIC. And it's like, what are you guys doing? What are you guys doing? Why, why, why is everybody acting like this woman? And and you could see so much of what Carrie Prajine was Prijan, whatever her name is, like everything she was doing was just for attention.
SPEAKER_01:Yep, yep, just a grift for sure, 100%.
SPEAKER_03:It's just for attention. It's like she saw because she every few hours she would put out another tweet saying Catholics can't be Zionist just because it got a reaction. So it's yeah, I think. Um, yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:I'm just like uh I I yeah, I think there's a lot of weird stuff with Erica, and I would not be surprised to find out she's connected to like this like CA child trafficking and shit like that. I really wouldn't.
SPEAKER_03:I think that she was set up as a honeypot for Charlie, probably like I really do. I think I think it was an arranged marriage, and she was the honeypot put in there. I don't think she was behind us killing or anything, no, but I think that she was put in there because of you know, she was she was she's the perfect pretty face to put alongside Charlie, and then when Charlie's gone, she's gonna do exactly what she's told.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I just think Candace's problem with her is that it was Erica, not Candace, you know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it might be, might be some of that, like but uh I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Like it the person who's gonna who breaks this open shouldn't be the person who thought they were tracking these secretive Egyptian flights only to only to realize that UTC isn't some Utah only time zone, and it actually stands for Universal Coordinated Time.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, she's she's just oh my gosh, yeah, she gets herself into stuff sometimes, man. It's just I don't know. Well yeah, it's just like I do think there's some shady stuff with Erica Erica Kirk, don't get me wrong, but like I don't know, Dan. This is just a freaking nut job. Like, she's just a nut job. I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't get how I don't know, man. I it's all just just too much. But I mean, I'll never take from her that she's entertaining. I mean, she clearly is, she has the biggest audience of anybody doing what we do. I mean, she gets a live audience of like two million per episode sometimes, depending on what she's talking about. And people are like, and but when you look at who's actually watching her show, it's a lot of like older women, like you get you know, when I when I met um it's like the the Q crowd, yeah. And when I met um, what's her name? Uh Janet Smith. I met Janet Smith down in Tampa. All she wanted to talk to me about was Candace Owens and Charlie Kirk, and I was like, wow, okay. Like, like Janet Smith, 70-something-year-old woman, she's glued to listening to Candace Owens conspiracy theories and stuff. It's just like, oh boy. What?
SPEAKER_01:No, that would get me in trouble. I'm not gonna talk about that. Why does it be why does there seem to be such a gulf between like the average male IQ and the average female IQ? Like there are definitely intelligent women, don't get me wrong.
SPEAKER_03:But so uh it's obviously don't watch Candace. You're repeating ridiculous misrepresentations of others, she's not guilty of most of you are just saying, just drop it. No, yeah, I don't watch Candace, I'll admit that.
SPEAKER_01:Like, I she's UTC was a time zone for Utah. She didn't know that is what replaced Greenwich Mean Time. I'm sorry if you're tracking supposed Israeli spy rings, you should know what replaced Greenwich Meantime, because the whole world's time system is based upon that. And if you don't know that, and you're doing what you say you're doing, you are a flipping retard.
SPEAKER_03:Meg definitely wrote the Delaney one, the Delaney one star review. The thing is, look, even that, um, even that the the like it's okay if people don't like your favorite like creator, like it's okay. Like, I don't care. People people take it so personally if you don't like their favorite creator, man. It's like you could there's some people who can sit through Candice and probably get a lot, uh they probably enjoy her a lot. I tried, I can't. I don't know. I I don't know. So I maybe if you know I do think she's entertaining. I just and the thing is it's hard to say, Rob, because people can take like a a clip of something, and all right, I probably wouldn't have known what that was either, to be honest. Like, but if you're speaking with authority on a subject, you should know about the subject you're speaking on.
SPEAKER_01:Well, I mean, if if you're if you're looking at flight times of when these supposed secret of flights from Egypt, you know, to uh they happen to go to just you know the manufacturer's repair shop for that specific type of plane, and it really wasn't weird at all. But if you're tracking these flights and you're saying this flight time seems to be suspiciously close to the event that this happened, don't you think you would at least make sure like they're in the same time zone? I mean, you and I have to make sure we were talking about the same time zones when we're an hour apart and do this twice a week.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I listen, I think anytime somebody's speaking with authority on a subject, they should actually know the subject, which is why I got annoyed with Carrie Prajon Bowler speaking about Zionism because she doesn't actually know about the subject and she's speaking out on it. And he's anytime people dip into this subject and they don't know, especially because I like I've been studying this stuff for a couple of years now, and I'm like, I I actually this is a subject I kind of I'm pretty familiar with, and I understand like the biblical narrative and stuff like that. So when I see people jumping into the subject, I'm like, why are you talking about this? You don't even know what you're talking about, don't even know what you're talking about, and you and you're taking it upon yourself to have a comment on this because you watched this person's criticism, you know, you like somebody that'll watch a Nick Fuentes stream and then think they can go out and speak about the Jews. And it's like, yeah, you really you really need to know this stuff if you're gonna go out and talk about it. And I and I do think the reason I do talk about that subject a lot is probably because I do think I'm pretty well versed in it, which is probably another reason I do bring it up pretty. Anything when we're talking about the biblical narrative, that's kind of where I've done most of my like studying. Like as because I'm it's like I went to school for it, I just have done a ton of just you know, studying of the biblical narrative, which is why I why I'm you know, I'll harp on things like that. But when I hear when I hear when I hear people jumping on and talking about Zionism that don't actually understand the subject, especially when they're like talking about it just from like a natural law perspective or this perspective, it's like even Michael Knowles talking about everybody was talking about the Mike Huckabee Tucker interview, and Michael Knowles as a Catholic still doesn't uh it's and I I don't know if he really doesn't understand it or if he just pretends he doesn't. But this issue is about a lot more than does Israel have a right to exist?
SPEAKER_01:As a woman, I apologize about all the retarded women in the chat freaking out over their favorite black excellence woman.
SPEAKER_03:Then then you had that Eevee article everybody was going crazy about today. Oh man, yeah, I didn't even send that to the chat because I figured uh I know the Latin Slavs are gonna cover that one. Oh they're gonna cover that one. And I said, and then I and honestly, I saw it's I saw Gordon and Steph talking about today, and it's like I never talk about this stuff because I don't ever want to talk about a topic where it would even give the slightest insight into what my yeah my private life with my wife is about. You know what I mean? Like anytime these guys talk about this stuff, like I won't even talk about it from the traditional perspective of what seeing Alphonsus Lagory said, like, none of anybody's I would never give an insight into what me and my wife do privately. Like, that's why I won't talk about the natural family planning stuff with that NFP guy, none of it. I don't I don't want anybody having an insight into my home life like that. I'm not gonna talk to anybody about that stuff. It's and and sometimes I think like they are basically. Um yeah, I didn't watch Tim and Steph. I don't, I don't, I didn't watch Tim and Steph's stream, so I don't know what they talked about. I'm saying for me, I don't like talking about that topic at all. Like I remember when uh Kyle caught all that crap for having that couple on his show that were they had a Catholic sex toy shop, and it's like, dude, what are you doing? Why are you why are you having this couple on your show, man?
SPEAKER_01:Definitely the only definitely the first time we've talked about Kyle this stream. Definitely, definitely the first time.
SPEAKER_03:The uh yeah, like I yeah, that was uh that's stuff for priests to talk about. Like, I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:That's just that's stuff for priests to talk about with couples privately, personally.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah. I mean, maybe maybe if some if a priest is doing like a moral talk on seeing Alphonsus Ligori's treatment of something like that, but like I don't know, man. These guys that get on and start talking about what's licit and what's not licit in the bedroom. It's like what you're doing is telling people what's licen and not listed in your bed. It's like just shut up, it's none of your business what I do. Like me and my wife practice. The thing is, the NFP guy, uh, what what's his name?
SPEAKER_01:Uh so I thought Rob was talking about this topic with his divine intimacy series.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like Christopher West, that stuff. Like Christopher West. I would I don't, I don't, I don't want to go near any of that stuff. Um, but the NFP guy, I think his main thing is that I think his wife left him, right?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, NFP guy is the anomaly guy, right?
SPEAKER_03:John, an omen proof, yeah, yeah, yeah. His his thing, I think his wife left him.
SPEAKER_01:I I I don't know for sure, and I don't want to like then presume, yeah. Yeah, presume his intentions or or things, but I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if like spurging on one issue like that is like gonna is gonna attract an audience either.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I don't know how you can have a I mean we have a hard you but we I complained about you monologuing about a monologue from last week, like and we we don't limit ourselves with any topic. Yeah, can you imagine how hard it would be if all you and I did was talk about a single topic?
SPEAKER_03:That's that we we do talk about topics frequently. I won't I won't because there's not much else to talk about, but the um yeah, like when you pigeonhole yourself into one specific topic and you're just known for that topic, it it you think what we do is tedious, forget it, man. Like how how how many times can you talk about the same thing in different ways to make it interesting over and over? And then and then like uh like the feminism thing, like those guys who talk about feminism, like how many times are you gonna talk about feminism? Like, we all know it sucks. We all know it's you know, but how many how many shows can you do on it? Some of the stuff that that uh Eevee article had were pretty gross. Uh, I get what the Gordons are trying to do, but they could still use some more tact on the subject. Um I don't know. I don't I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:And the definitions do a lot of words, but he seems to have missed what tact means.
SPEAKER_03:Um yeah, I don't know. I I didn't listen to him, so I don't wanna I don't want to speak about him. I just I don't know. I don't I just think it's weird to be talking about like I don't know. Whatever. Whatever. All right, we're gonna wrap this one up. There's no Thursday night show this week, guys. Uh I will be away. I am leaving to go on vacation tomorrow, but that'll give Rob a night off, and hopefully we come up with some good stuff to talk about when we come back. And this week Adrian, but I was gonna say the last time we took that little break, like we came back with the Nick episode, and it caused a lot of caused a lot of uh oh, I was gonna say which Nick episode.
SPEAKER_01:Of course, which Nick episode. Um, Adrian is not available the rest of the week, so there won't be a guns and rosaries, which it's been a been a painful week for Minnesota gun owners.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I saw that. Okay, so I sent you something before the show uh about Minnesota advances semi auto firearm ban allowing warrantless home inspections of gun owners.
SPEAKER_01:They've introduced two bills in the Minnesota legislature. One would ban the vast majority of semi automatic rifles, so your AR 15s and other similar rifles. Um, it would ban the vast majority of them. Um, and if you have them currently, you can get them grandfathered in, but you're register that would mean registering them with the state and then allowing the state to do at any time warrantless uh inspections um in your home, which is yeah. And then the second one would restrict um magazine capacity on firearms to 10 rounds. Now I heard that the semi-auto ban did not make it out of committee today. It was a 10 to 10 vote, so it didn't move forward. But I think that I I'm sure they could just change a few things and resubmit it. But at least so far, that one did not move forward.
SPEAKER_03:I think the constitution protects you from warrantless searches, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, the what is it?
SPEAKER_03:The fourth that'll go to the supreme court. That'll go to the supreme court.
SPEAKER_01:That one for sure will, but like the question is like, what do you do in the meantime, right? Like, unless unless uh a lower court, like an appeals court, puts uh an injunction on it, like it's possible they could still enforce it up until the supreme court strikes it down. Ultimately, the supreme court through previous rulings have ruled ruled anything in com you can't ban anything in common use. And AR-15s are the most popular gun in the country, like they are in common use. So the Supreme Court will eventually strike that down, but like what do I do in the meantime? Like, like if it were to pass, like moving becomes like a legitimate option, like moving out of state.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that's nuts. All right, well, we'll keep an eye on that.
SPEAKER_01:Um yeah, because that's like and they won't even do a buyback, right? So you'd either have to sell them or somehow out of state, which is hard to do. Um, it's a pain in the butt to do for the most part, or you just or you keep them and can have your home searched at any time without a warrant, or they'll destroy them for you. They won't even buy them back from you. Which even if they did, they'd give you a hundred bucks for something worth a thousand bucks, you know what I mean? So, like we're talking like you know, four five-figure uh yeah, it's a lot of money.
SPEAKER_03:Money Rob spent on semi-automatic weapons, it's wait, wait, wait, no, wait, no, no.
SPEAKER_01:Six figure is a million, right?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, okay.
SPEAKER_01:We're talking like ten thousand bucks.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like we all have our things. Yeah, you have your boat, I have my gun. Yeah, and they are the amount of money I spent fixing the boat, Rob has spent on guns. Let's put it that way.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Uh people saying the Tim Gordon uh crash out's gonna be uh oh, like what, like an A B drama with Tim? I'm not picking a fight with Tim Gordon. I'm not even talking smack about him at all. I I don't I uh I like whatever. Like um yeah, Rob spent 271,000 on uh Trump's just getting started. Where does he get the energy? Is that oh, is the State of the Union on? Probably. Oh, let's just are we at war with Iran yet, guys? Yeah, let's just hope we're not going to war. Yeah, I saw um uh what's his name? Uh Martyrmain put out a tweet saying, uh, let's see. Trump has been cornered. His his options as he sees them are to start a war with Iran on something like our own terms or to be dragged into it at a time and in a manner of Israel's choosing. The third option, telling Israel to fight their own war, is not on the table because he believes that if he does that, Israel will use nuclear weapons and he and members of his family will be in physical danger. The military buildup has had three purposes. First, he had hoped that Iran would capitulate and submit to an agreement strong enough to calm the Israelis down for the time being. Second, to have enough forces to deal with the fallout if Israel attacks and Iran retaliates against American bases and allies, and finally, to potentially strike first and at least be able to control the first phase of combat. The talk of limited strikes reflects his hope that Iran can be intimidated into buckling because Trump genuinely does not want war. That's where we're at. I've never prayed for a politician or government before, but I prayed for Trump for the first time yesterday. You should too.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I I I don't really don't see any um anything I disagree with there.
SPEAKER_03:My worry is that Iran is the beginning of a conflict that spreads. Like we just don't know what happens.
SPEAKER_01:Well, now that Duke, if you look at it, if you look back at it now, you know, with the the sense of the um the catacomb, right? Like that Duke was the one of the last remaining remnants of like the Holy Roman Empire.
SPEAKER_03:You know, so so yeah, it's fitting that it's fitting that we enter into a world war after that.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, but I mean, yeah, Iran is a founding member of BRICS. You know, do the other nations of BRICS not do anything if they're attacked? That would kind of kill BRICS dead in the water if they don't. Russia and China have ships right now in ports in Iran for a naval exercise that was planned. So, like, do we strike Iran why Russia and China has have ships right there? It it could it could easily spread. Yeah, that's I don't I don't worry that decapitation strike that you know we spend a week beheading their military and government and are done. And then it then the uh the hope for us at least would be leave it there and let it figure itself out. Like we don't need to go in and rebuild a democracy or anything, guys. Just take out the mullahs and uh see what happens. Yeah, I don't know.
SPEAKER_03:Um, if yeah, and if we go to war, what do I do with my son? I mean, going to war is one thing, a draft is something totally different. Like, we don't know how that plays out. Like the you know, go going to war with Iran, there's not gonna be a draft. The draft comes if we go to world war, and that's if Russians kind of get involved, then yeah, then possibly, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:But um then if it stays limited to Iran, there's very little, like structurally as a nation we need to be worried about. Obviously, yeah, I don't even think that'll affect us. If you have kids in the military, yeah, that that would be worrisome, but uh but Iran. I mean, the mil the difference in military capability between us and Iran now is greater than it was between us and Saddam Hussein in 2003. Like, yeah. Uh there's not much we have to worry about as long as it stays limited.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Uh yeah, they're asking about the telegram. I'm not keeping Rob has control of the telegram. I'm I am very rarely in there.
SPEAKER_01:I can I can throw the link in. Hold on.
SPEAKER_03:Um, yeah, there's just no SSPX talk in there, and it is a very peaceful telegram. Like people get along. So if it's your first time going in there and you're going in to hang, like go in and make friends with people, don't go in and pick fights.
SPEAKER_01:We don't the mods have been our mods since the channel had 200 subs on YouTube. So like they are our friends, don't screw with them. We support them 100%.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. If the mods but if the mods bounce you, the mods bounce you. Like they run, they run the chat. So um, all right, we're gonna wrap this one up, and uh, I will see you guys on Tuesday. Um, hopefully, uh, there's some new stuff to talk about, and we'll go from there. Take us out, Robin.
