Vatican Named in Epstein Files? + New SSPX Bishops (Full LOCALS Version)

Michael Hichborn joins us to discuss recent big news stories such as the Epstein files and announcement of upcoming SSPX consecrations.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Awkward Cold Open And Work Woes
• 2:10 NYC Policy, Homeless Deaths, And Local Rants
• 3:25 Programming Note And Gossip Boundary-Setting
• 4:20 Illness, Skipped Show, And Topic Reset
• 5:20 SSPX History, Mission, And Excommunication Debate
• 11:35 Consecrating Bishops And Rome’s “Not Yet”
• 15:40 Latin Mass Ecosystem And Benedict’s Moves
• 18:30 Vatican II Fault Lines: Religious Liberty And Ecumenism
• 22:20 Modernism, Resistance, And The Role Of SSPX
• 26:10 Sponsors, Disclaimers, And Community Support
• 30:40 Epstein Files: Hype, Context, And “Nothingburger” Claims
• 34:10 Pizzagate Terms, Data Dumps, And Psyop Concerns
• 38:10 Trafficking Patterns, Church Failures, And Border NGOs
• 42:15 Clerical Networks, Selection, And Captured Chokepoints
• 46:05 Fire, Judgment, And The Need For Penitence
• 49:40 Audience Growth, Guest Strategy, And Platform Ethics
• 54:30 Sign-Off And Move To Locals For Spicier Topics

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:04

I guess the intro's not gonna play. No intro at all. We're just jumping on. I'm like it is literally set right set right there to play.

SPEAKER_05: 0:16

It's usually wow that's good.

SPEAKER_03: 0:18

What's crazy is like I usually during that song when it's playing and stuff, like I'll be doing stuff and like you know, getting like my last minutes.

SPEAKER_05: 0:58

Oh what the heck?

SPEAKER_03: 1:03

What was that? Why did that kick on late late after that, like that?

SPEAKER_02: 1:07

I don't know what happened there, man.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09

Oh, you didn't plan that?

SPEAKER_02: 1:10

It kind of just like did it on a yeah, it just it stuttered, I guess, playing the intro.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14

Man, that was weird. All right. I'm uh I've been cooped up in my house for like two weeks now. Uh I've been off. I I said laid off, and people took it like I like lost my job or something. Like my company, so we have Mayor Mamdani has taken over, and he refuses to make people move their cars to the other side of the street for street cleaning. So we can't find the jobs in the street that we actually have to go and fix and work on. And I can't even put like no parking signs out to make the cars move because he refuses to like there, there's no we're not allowed to do that. Like, there's you just so we're not able to work. I was off all week last week. I'm off this week. The last night I jumped on a show with a couple of guys, had a fun time there. I look forward to just getting on and talking with you guys because I'm kind of cooped up with a bunch of women in my house, and it's like, all right, let's go have some some guy talking.

SPEAKER_01: 2:11

Tell me, how are things in the new Soviet Socialist Republic?

SPEAKER_03: 2:16

This is the first thing I've actually noticed, to be honest.

SPEAKER_02: 2:20

Ah, the 16 people freezing to death was no big deal, right?

SPEAKER_03: 2:27

But up until up until this event, I was like, all right, you know, it's business as usual in the city. It's not it's like the the the mayor of New York doesn't have that much ability to do that much, but he does have the ability to like not force homeless people into shelters during sub-zero temperatures, which has led to them freezing to death on the streets of New York, which is crazy. So just uh yeah, good times in New York, man. I don't know. So we also have uh all right, so locals tonight is going to be we I told Michael he probably shouldn't come over there because we're gonna get into some real real muck and mud. Uh, for those of you who don't know, it has come out today, actually, like just an hour or two ago, that uh Elijah Schaefer kind of flipped his lid and went off the deep end with drug abuse, and it's coming out that's uh he may have had an affair with a well-known Catholic content creator. So we're gonna discuss that on the other side. We're gonna try to keep the the gossip to a limited amount on YouTube. But if you guys want to join us, that's what we're gonna do over on the other side. Um, other than that, how have you boys been?

SPEAKER_01: 3:36

Oh, I've been great. I mean, I'm I'm better than than I was last week anyway.

SPEAKER_03: 3:42

I heard you were a little under the weather last week, right?

SPEAKER_01: 3:45

Yeah, a little bit, a little bit. Uh we had we had the stomach bug go ripping through the family one at a time, and I I was the last domino to fall.

SPEAKER_03: 3:56

So uh it seems like the that God always saves it for the man to have it last, right?

SPEAKER_01: 4:02

Like you I'm glad he did because you know when you're up in the middle of the night taking care of one at a time, uh the worst is trying to do it while you're sick, also.

SPEAKER_03: 4:14

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01: 4:16

Uh recovering.

SPEAKER_03: 4:18

We skipped our our Thursday show last week. Like, I was throwing topics at Rob. I was like, Do you wanna like we were like, All right, look, we can talk about this or this. And Rob was just like, dude, I just don't have it in me tonight. Like, I just I just don't have it in me. I said, All right, so we let's scrap Thursday's show and we'll regroup next week and we'll see if anything else pops up. Sometimes you need to do that, like sometimes like just talking about like church gromo or talking about political stuff because I I don't know, we we could have discussed more stuff or good thing nothing has popped up since then at all, right? And and then and then this week starts in front this week pops up files, the X bishops and the SSPX stuff, and I'm just like, Oh, all right, well, we got new stuff to talk about at least. Um, which one do you want to do first? It's up to you guys. Uh well, I put out a short video on the SSPX thing on my uh on my X the other uh the other day, just because I just find it so strange how like gleeful some people seem about like the prospect of excommunications, and it's like and and Anthony Stein pointed out because he actually played my video and he said, Well, I'll I'll throw the reverse at you. If like we heard James Martin was going to get excommunicated, you'd probably have that kind of glee too, right?

SPEAKER_02: 5:42

And maybe, but uh man, it's I would the thing is like James Martin, like he's already in a really like a state of heresy, right? Yes, excommunication would be to call him back to the church to try to save his soul. It's not a punishment so much as it is uh a remedy, right? So I would be not gleeful, but I would be happy that the church is actually working to hopefully try to save his soul. Whereas, you know, uh excommunicating a bunch of bishops who just want to train, you know, good priests seems just to be vindictive more than anything.

SPEAKER_01: 6:23

So there's a train of thought that you have to follow with regard to the SSPX. It starts with the mission of the organization itself. The SSPX exists primarily to stand as a safehold or uh, you know, like uh a stronghold for the traditional sacraments, the traditional liturgy, traditional confession, traditional consec uh confirmations, etc. etc. etc. That's why it exists. That's that's its whole entire mission is to maintain the tradition of the Catholic Church. Okay. Um unfortunately, what winds up happening is I I'm sorry, I'm distracted by the fact that I see my own handle saying something about a cold start. I didn't post that.

SPEAKER_03: 7:14

I was literally just looking at that. I'm going, oh Michael, are you like delayed to is it your wife? Maybe uh maybe it could be my wife.

SPEAKER_05: 7:22

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01: 7:25

I was like, wait a minute, I didn't post that. Um so that's that starts as the mission of the SSPX from there, back in the 80s, they had oh Joe McClain says that was his fault. So I guess he was logged in as me.

SPEAKER_03: 7:43

I don't know how you logged in under my oh, I was about to I was about to say hello to Alyssa. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 7:49

Yeah, Joe's, yeah, just says he was logged in by how was he okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01: 7:56

Better change your pillows into my account. Um no, but okay, so it starts with SSPX with its mission. The second step that you have to look at is that the um the SSPX asked for the consecration of bishops in the 1980s, and several times they were told yes, but not yet. And it was delay, delay, delay. Now, why were they delaying? There's no given reason why they were delaying, but Archbishop Lefebvre believed that they were delaying simply because uh yes, I'm sure I'm sure Joe is also um somewhere in Nigeria uh trying to sell or trying to get convince Americans to open their bank accounts for three million dollars. The um uh Archbishop Lefebvre essentially was dying of cancer, and he knew he was dying, and so did the Vatican. And so what was going on here was kind of basically a a a wait and see game, hoping that what would happen is that he would die and they wouldn't have to worry about the SSPX anymore, because no bishop, no oversight, therefore the organization will eventually just fold and go away. That's not what happened. He went ahead with the consecrations. Of course, uh the Vatican came back and said, We're sorry that you did this because now that you've done this in defiance of our orders, you are now excommunicated. But here's the issue the excommunication is not related to an act of def it's not a defiant act against Rome because Lefebvre was told yes, but not yet. Just wait, just wait, just wait. He wasn't told no. So the act of defiance can't it's it's kind of a sideword skew. You you can't really call it an act of defiance. Well, anyway, uh of course the excommunication was handed down. It's it's a it's a legal excommunication. You can't say that it wasn't legal, you can't say it it was something that was promulgated and it was upheld by Rome. So, yes, it was an actual excommunication. That excommunication was then lifted by Pope Benedict XVI. Uh SSPX, it was in what was called an irregular canonical status, so it's kind of a strange situation. And now two of their bishops have died, they've got two left. They've been asking Rome for permission to consecrate bishops, and again, it's more of a wait and see game. Uh we don't know what Rome's response was when they wrote to Rome and said, We intend to consecrate bishops.

SPEAKER_03: 10:57

Uh I I I don't think they I think Rome caves.

SPEAKER_01: 11:02

You think they caved?

SPEAKER_03: 11:03

I think Rome caves. I think Rome gives them bishops.

SPEAKER_01: 11:06

Maybe. Maybe. But here's the thing, we don't know what Rome said.

SPEAKER_02: 11:12

Um it kind of seems like we were led to believe they said nothing at all. Just ignored it almost.

SPEAKER_01: 11:19

Right. And if that's the case, then there's no act of defiance, which means they weren't told don't do this, which means to go forward with the consecration of those bishops would not be an act of defiance, therefore not an active schism, therefore not an excommunicable offense. So to Anthony's point, when people sit there and they start gleefully wringing their hands, going, I really hope that they get excommunicated because wow, it's it's a long time coming, those jerks. Uh, I'm sorry, but that's not what's happening, that's not the case, and you shouldn't be hoping that somebody gets excommunicated for something that they didn't do.

SPEAKER_03: 11:59

Yeah, yeah. And I'm I'm tired of seeing people uh act as if the society wanting bishops is the same thing as what Martin Luther did, because that is something you see quite often. Like they're basically Protestants, they don't, you know, it's like, man, do you guys actually understand what the Protestant Reformation was? It wasn't like like they brought up they brought in an entirely new theology and soteriology about the way you are saved. They came up with a whole new ecclesiology, then it became just the Bible alone, and anybody could start that this church planting idea. Like the society is literally just like we just want to continue on with the mission of the church as it always has been, we want to continue with the sacraments and the rites of the church as it always has been. We want to teach from the catechisms from before the council, and all we're asking is that we are allowed to ordain bishops so that this mission can continue. Like, if if the society does not get those bishops, the society dies on the line, like it just it dies on.

SPEAKER_02: 12:56

So does the FSSP and so does the ICKSP. The only reason they exist is because the SSPX exists.

SPEAKER_03: 13:04

Exactly, like it's almost like if the if the SSPX doesn't ordain these bishops, it's bad news for all the indult communities, it's bad news for all the ecclesiade communities, all of them, because really Rome wants to be rid of it totally, and they almost can't because of this resistance put up by the society. So it's like, like, I'm not even a society guy, I'm not I'm not over here. You know what I mean? I'm not even a society guy. I go to a diocesan Latin mass, but the idea that I would be gleeful at the at the thought of their excommunication is absurd. It's like I I I like what the society does, and I think that it's an important piece of the puzzle. And I think anybody who loves the Latin mass that thinks they don't owe a debt of gratitude to Lefebvre is delusional. Like every one of you who love the Latin mass owe a huge debt to Lefebvre. Lefebvre is the reason that the Latin Mass exists as wide as it does today. It was definitely a con, like Sumorum pontificum was a concession because of the society in in some form or fashion, maybe not directly, but it definitely was. It was because Benedict saw there were people who wanted to go to the Latin Mass, but didn't want to be in this irregular canonical situation. So he so he made he made the exception there.

SPEAKER_01: 14:22

Joe McLean said that the Vatican said they hope to work it out before July 1st.

SPEAKER_03: 14:27

So yeah, you have to think about this like how many, um, how much Francis did for the society? Like, Francis grants them the ability to have uh like gives them authority for weddings, for confessions, for like he basically gives them authority to do all the things that were in question before. So, like you would hear I would hear talks by like Father Wolfe on um uh on uh census fidelium years ago. Like, because a lot of people that come to tradition now kind of think there's always been like this calm between the society and the FSSP is that but there wasn't, there was a lot of hostility between between those groups. Like, really, Michael Matt coming out with Unite the Clans, Unite the Clans is technically about the society and the Ecclesia Day communities like, come on, guys, it's time to stop the hostility. Like, there's because you would hear sermons by guys like Father Wolf and the guys in the FSSP saying, don't get married at the SSPX, like your marriage is invalid, you're actually living in a state of mortal sin. Like you would hear stuff like that, and you don't hear stuff like that anymore since the Francis pontificate. So, I mean, a lot of people coming into this scene now don't really know that context.

SPEAKER_01: 15:42

Yeah, um I I think that there are a lot of people that that don't have the proper understanding of how everything came out to be the way that it is. Uh, you know, you you back in the 80s, the reason that the fraternal society of Saint Peter came into existence is because when Lefebvre decided he was going to um consecrate the the new bishops, uh a bunch of priests from the society drove all the way to Rome to meet with uh Pope John Paul II, and they had a private audience, and and the only way that they were able to have that private audience, because it was the dead of winter and most of Rome was already shut down at that point, and they were able to get that private audience and said, Look, we are loyal to you as Peter, but we still want to maintain our um our identity as traditional Catholics, as traditional priests. Uh, can we start something new? And he he gave them that authority. And the the caveat was you are uh to answer directly to me, not to any bishop, not to anybody else. You are to answer directly to me, which is why it's called the fraternal society of St. Peter. So the um the existence of the society of the FSSP is directly rate related to the SSPX.

SPEAKER_03: 17:07

Yeah, they're breakaway, they're breakaway priests who didn't want to go along in this not even really breakaway.

SPEAKER_01: 17:13

It's more like um more like just uh it's it's kind of like um what do you call it? When when you have one series that that uh spawns a new series on TV, sequel it's like a like a spin-off spin-off the spin-off show.

SPEAKER_02: 17:29

Well the thing is then the icksp is like the uh the French version, the French spin-off, it's like Frasier from Cheers.

SPEAKER_01: 17:36

It's like you know, it's like yeah, two wonderful series is just different flavors.

SPEAKER_03: 17:42

Um, the thing is, man, I because I never dealt, I was talking about this last night a little bit, but like I never delved into some of like the deeper controversies that Lefebvre was bringing up, but something like religious freedom, where he was like, No, no, no, the church was never for religious freedom. And that this conversation came up with Joel Webbon when I interviewed him, too. It's like you it's one thing to have like a separation of church and state and um allow for different denominations of Christianity, but it's a whole other thing when you're talking about like Muslims coming into your country and Indians coming into your country, and then all of a sudden you have Diwali celebrations and you have mosques going up on every corner. Like the danger of religious freedom is not so much about interdenominational disputes as it is about allowing foreign gods into your nation to take over your nation, and then that is the real danger. And then when you look at Noshiratate and how the Vatican is now talking about how, oh, let's look at the good and all these other religions, it it lowers the guard of your average Christian to go, oh well, this is harmless, and there's nothing harmless about allowing foreign gods into your country, like you're you're it's dangerous.

SPEAKER_01: 18:58

You have to you have to look at the language of the church whenever she talks about other religions and their existence in various localities, it's always been under the terms of toleration, yeah, not in terms of freedom because or or uh or a right, okay. Nobody has a right to perpetuate a lie. Nobody has a right to believe a lie, nobody has a right to practice a lie, and all false religions are lies. So when we start looking at these false religions, whether they're heretical sects, uh, whether they are uh pagan sects, whether they are um, you know, the the two Abrahamic religions, the two you know, Abrahamic religions, you know, it doesn't matter. They are false religions. They are false religions, and they've got to be recognized as such. So the problem that we have now within Catholic circles is that they're trying to give this well, they they call it ecumenism, they call it interfaith dialogue, but ultimately it's just a bunch of talk to try and push global socialism because all they all they're really trying to accomplish is a bunch of kumbaya, let's all get together and hold hands and and work together for the common good. It's it's garbage.

SPEAKER_03: 20:23

It's it's it's even more diabolical than that. It's like when you even think about when Obamacare comes into effect, and you have like the little sisters of the poor are being forced to provide birth control, right? And and we have that lawsuit that comes up, and they're like, Well, we're not going to like it's it's against our faith, and we're not going to uh we're not gonna pay for uh abortiface and drugs or whatever. And the bishops go and fight that battle on religious liberty grounds. Instead of the bishops coming out and talking about the evils of contraception, like it then becomes oh religious freedom. Like that's that's where the the Catholic mind has gone because of the documents of Vatican II is that we no longer talk about intrinsic evils and mortal sin. We just go, oh, religious freedom. Well, we shouldn't have to do this for religious freedom reasons. It's like our bishop should have been all over that for the intrinsic evil of abortifacient drugs, for the intrinsic evil of artificial birth control in general, and the whole conversation shifted, and it's all because of this ecumenical outreach that we got, which is what Lefebvre was against initially. And it's like he it's it, man, you think of a guy who was just so prophetic in what he saw, like he just saw the consequences of this council, and he's like, You can't make deals with these guys, like you can't, he's like, You can't make deals with these guys, they're all modernists. He's like, What deal am I to make with a modernist? He goes, You you want me to come in and just have unity for the sake of unity? But like, there, these are real issues that need to be discussed, and the thing is, yes. like like i i get i get what i get what people are worried about but like man if it's not for this group standing up and saying no these issues need to be hashed out we'll never hash hash them out like they need to be hashed out we need to actually get to the bottom of them all the ambiguities in the council need to be clearly defined and they won't be without the society like the society plays a very vital role in my opinion I agree I agree I think they because look every good drama requires a foil and you've got to have a protagonist you've got to have an antagonist and unless and until somebody stands up to the modernist monster in the room to point out the errors that are going on and being perpetuated through the church's hierarchy continuously all the way to the top uh you're you're not going to it there's not going to be any drama there's not going to be any resistance and it's just going to be the push of a lie going through the channels that calls itself the Catholic Church.

SPEAKER_01: 23:04

And I I want to be clear about what I mean here. I'm not talking about the Catholic Church proper. I'm talking about individuals within the church who hold certain positions of authority.

SPEAKER_03: 23:15

They be they bishops be they priests be they cardinals okay with those positions of authority when they start pushing these modernist ideologies and they've been doing it for the last 120 years by the way this is why we had the the syllabus of errors this is why we had the um the oath against modernism uh even even through the 19 uh 40s and 1950s you had uh Pope Pius XII talking about the very serious errors that were rising up and how even then people kept trying to get him to uh to change the mass and to monkey with the mass and to change the liturgy uh you know Vatican II didn't happen in a vacuum but without the without the SSPX I agree I don't think that there is any other organized resistance to stand up to the modernism that's taking place it doesn't mean that they're right in everything that they do but I think that's they play a very important role play an important role as you said yeah uh a couple things okay so for anybody that just tuned in we're about to do the Epstein stuff we're also a lot of people talking about the Sarah stock Elijah Schaefer stuff that's going to be on locals tonight um we're gonna do that over there my reputation from trying to protect Michael's reputation I don't want to involve him in that kind of smut talk uh before we before we change gears over to the Epstein files I definitely want to discuss that uh we have to mention our two sponsors so uh reccuest and sellers we still love so you guys could go to them but they're gonna take a little break till after Lent but we still have Nick knacks and Nick knacks is uh um our our favorite new sponsor right now nicknack.com shop use code a b 25 for 25% off now knickknacks are nicotine lozenges i'm not allowed to tell you guys that they are a smoking cessation device like I can't legally tell you guys that man I quit smoking for years but we are legally required to say that knick knack contains nicotine and nicotine is an addictive chemical I'm gonna say this so make sure you buy a multi pack I always well here's the thing like I I always I always uh like even with Zinn I would go for the wintergreen or the mint flavors and that was what I went for first with the knick knacks and I was like all right let me go with these and I was like oh they're all right dude my favorite flavors of knick knacks are lemon and tangerine the blood orange is good too blood orange is good too like the fruity ones are phenomenal so if you guys do like typically like if you typically use a pouch like if you go for an ALP or a Zin I promise you you guys will not regret making the switch over switch over to Knickknacks Knickknacks are amazing. 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Vatican Bank and the Vatican like like I mean look you go back to you want to know what the biggest Catholic videos ever was is Taylor Marshall breaking down the Vatican Bank scandal with Benedict yeah talking millions and millions of views that video had yep and it's a really interesting um it's a really interesting tale that you learn about the Vatican bank and then that honestly involves when Francis comes in and he does his like his cardinal nine cardinal panel right it's like it's like the fellowship he brings in or something and he brings those nine cardinals in and cardinal pell gets put on the panel for the Vatican bank and he tries to start cleaning things up and all of a sudden after he starts cleaning things up all of a sudden Pell gets shipped back to Australia to face charges for child uh for for child endangerment or something and then he finally gets cleared of his charges and he comes back and he mysteriously dies in some run of the mill operation that happens like there is a lot of intrigue after people are telling him do not have this operation at this hospital don't do this at this hospital yeah it's kind of kind of crazy like the cardinal pell stuff is the one thing that definitely is something to think about but the the the orthodox like the ortho bros online are making such a big deal out of this one email about oh jeffrey epstein lived at the Vatican first off it's such a ridiculous assertion like it's so absurd that Jeffrey Epstein lived at the Vatican first off this would have happened in like 2003 before anybody even knew who Epstein was like he might have just been like a big finance guy I don't there's no record of him ever living in the Vatican it's just an email that might have been misworded to say he like he could have vacationed there or went there to visit or something.

SPEAKER_01: 32:38

Yeah I think he might have stayed in the grounds for a day or two at the time the second but like who knew who he was back then so here here's the thing there are a couple of things here number one um I I've been to Rome I've been to the Vatican I've I've stayed near the Vatican you there there are uh Airbnbs all over right around the Vatican city state that you can stay in that it it's you're basically saying for shorthand hey I stayed at the Vatican um you know it's not like you're staying yeah what does it mean to stay in the Vatican or at the Vatican there are apartments there. There are certain cardinals that live there there are certain uh members of the Curia that live there but when you say I live at the Vatican or I live in the Vatican you're not necessarily living within the city state proper or within the the walls of the Vatican city state it means that you're you're somewhere near where the Vatican is that's that's right you might be on Vatican Hill Yeah you know the look it's it's not it's not a big area and there there are a lot of hotels there are a lot of Airbnbs there are a lot of places to stay so it's it doesn't necessarily mean what they are trying to make it mean and the information is so scant with with very few details that it's it's it's a big fat nothing burger. They're trying to make it make more of it than what it is. That's that's really the problem there. And I found that I found that to be the case with a lot of stuff coming out of the Epstein files there's a lot just because somebody's name is mentioned does not mean that Jeffrey Epstein was you know had a relationship or or had something to do with the individual that was uh mentioned in the in the documents.

SPEAKER_03: 34:38

It's it's kind of crazy Rob actually pointed this out to me I should let Rob say it but uh he might have forgotten that he said it um he he he texted in our group chat the other day he goes like it like it almost seems like a psyop the way they release the Epstein files it's like they just throw these three million emails on us and it's like anybody can go and pick through and find anything they want and make any everyone can prove their own pet theory that they've all you know that they've thought for years there's something in there for you to hold up and say I was right no matter what the heck you believe. And and there and to and to an extent that's true but at the same time like the way they released them it's like nothing's going to come of any of this. No.

SPEAKER_01: 35:18

And well the that's yet to be seen there was there was an email in there uh from Jeffrey Epstein to somebody whose name was redacted and the the text of the email said did you torture her? Which is uh I mean you can't really weasel those words and say he meant something else. No that that was a direct question. The re the the thing we need to be asking is who did he send the email to and why was the name redacted? The only reason I can think of as to why that particular name would be redacted is because for legal reasons to maintain the integrity of a case they have to keep that redacted so that they can then prosecute uh in a proper manner.

SPEAKER_03: 36:10

Otherwise the uh the information gets to be um polluted so you got to be careful man because I like I don't I almost don't want to say this on air but I drank a little so I will um recusant one I shouldn't drink on air um so uh I saw one of our friends who I consider a very good friend I just spent the weekend with him but John Henry Weston put out a tweet the other day about like because Jeffrey Epstein had a tweet about the Latin mass in it and it's like I mean John Henry just miss misread what that actual tweet was and it was kind of a uh I think it was a bad take on his part basically so uh Jeffrey Epstein was passing information on to Steve Bannon because Steve Bannon was inquiring about a Latin mass and he said hey if you're in this area go to this parish is very similar to Holy Innocence in New York and John Henry Weston took it and it kind of goes to Rob it wasn't even it wasn't even it wasn't even Jeff it wasn't even Epstein telling it was Epstein asking someone else for information on the Latin mass in this area that person sent this big long paragraph about the Latin masses in this area and Epstein forwarded that on to Steve Bannon and that was it and that's all it was and like some people saw it and they were just like this is proof of it's like come on man you guys got like the we're missing so much context from so many of these emails you're getting these little snapshots and it's like oh his designer said that he lived in the Vatican it's like guys we don't know anything like these are all just out of context emails and you're going to find some nonsense in them and it's gonna like Rob said it's like you're gonna be able to prove your pet theory about so it's like it's it's the way they release it is intentionally done to confuse everybody lead to more just conspiratorial thinking and you're gonna be all over the place nothing is going to come of this stuff. Now what I can say if you go to the Epstein files and you type in the search bar just the word pizza gets 859 results and I've been through a lot of the uh the documents that talk about pizza and and uh I'll tell you oh no I mean 100% right audio only listeners so so somebody wrote a b is good at balancing low IQ anti-Semitism from ant with high IQ anti-Semitism from Ralph sorry made me laugh I had to say it so going going through the pizza stuff though what it does you you start looking for the things that are being said and the things that they're they're actually uh putting forward they do seem to confirm a lot of the pizzagate stuff from 2016 uh yeah you know you you start to see some of the same uses of the word pizza especially when they're talking about pizza as if it was a person and not something that is to be consumed on a table. Um hitch regretting this episode so much I'm sorry guys I'm sorry I'm a little over the place no Michael you're 100% right though like the the Pizza Gate stuff because there was the Wayfair thing too the Wayfair stuff yeah yep not just Wayfair but what was what was that other one? It was um oh there was another company that that was that had the euphemisms for purchasing people effectively not Wayfair but it was uh oh well sports betting but yeah I can't I can't think of it right off the top of my head yeah there was one guy kept emailing emailing him he's like you have two steaks left on the island would you make me bring more steak to the island you know it's like well we're we're dealing with disgusting creeps don't get me wrong I'm not like I'm in no way defending any of it what I'm trying to say is the way they released it just seems like anybody's gonna be able to pull anything out of it and try to make it fit their own little thing and it's like especially um when I'm I'm watching order a pizza just go to PFT but um what's what's interest interesting to me is like we all I mean we all knew it was uh you know underage like an underage sex ring and with some of the Pizzagate stuff and connections to um uh what's the artist's name uh Abramovich right yeah oh yeah like like the the whole pizzagate stuff seems yeah but um with all all the mentions in the files about some of the uh uh the Amish uh stuff the Jewish stuff like it is it is strange how how much it seems to correlate to to historical stories we are told are blood libel you know um things like the murder of Simon of Trent and in other such you know stories or events or whether they're historical or or not it's hard hard to say but I mean there does seem to be a connection even up now until modern times. This is this is a good point.

SPEAKER_01: 41:46

It's like we're okay so like we're complaining about the way they released it but like they were releasing nothing before and it's like either you release it this way or you stay with the cookie cutter stuff they were releasing before I prefer it this way yeah I'm glad they did release the stuff don't get me wrong it's just like I would like to see them follow through with some investigations with all the names that they redacted like I mean some of the stuff you heard about the bushes and the and and like oh did you see the mention of Bush in there man I mean that was horrifying it's like oh we can release this one because Bush died so it's like all right yeah we'll we'll let you see this but the idea that because there are so many people who are like MAGA cultists or diehard Republicans who thought this was like a democrat thing and it's like don't you understand where oh yeah no no no look I I went through uh a lot of the when when the um oh what was it the uh grand jury reports would come out regarding priestly sex abuse in various states I read through almost every single one I could get my hands on over the last 10 years and I've been reviewing and reviewing and reviewing everything that I could find and one thing that I I will never forget is reading about uh priests who would identify children uh altar boys by putting a gold cross around their necks and then pass them around to other known pedophile priests in a it was literally a trafficking ring among these priests and the bishop knew about it. So you know you have these um these rings that are going on then you look into uh Archbishop Weisenberger who out in Detroit who is a known fixer known for covering up all of the things that are going on in a particular diocese and he goes on and and gets made archbishop of one of the most important dioceses archdioceses in the country uh as a thank you for his services uh and you know you've got uh cardinal worrell and you've got Theodore McCarrick and you've got The uh the guys up in in New York, uh who was it? Um uh in Buffalo, uh Clark, Matthew Clark, and uh uh the other guy, I can't remember the other guy's name, Albany. Um Hubbard, Mother Hubbard. Um over and over and over again you see that there is some sort of involvement in child trafficking among the episcopacy, specifically in this country. Uh we've we've seen um with Catholic charities on the border has been heavily involved in moving people across the border. How many hundreds of thousands of children went missing after they were aided unaccompanied across the border? And why was it that Catholic charities at the border got so much money to uh assist unaccompanied minors coming across the border but got nothing with regard to uh human trafficking? There's there's something off here. They should have been aware, they should have been paying attention, and uh you start putting the pieces together, and there's something wrong. I will never forget when Pope Francis, and I'm trying to remember where he was, uh I think it was in 2020, and he was it was some group mass, uh maybe it was a youth event. I I don't remember. But the vestments that he's wearing, they're blue vestments, and the fringe along the edge of the vestment are these triangles. Oh, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, oh the uh it's the pedo symbol, yes, the it was from pizza. Literally, literally the pedo symbol, it's the same color blue, it's the same pattern with the same number of movements into the interior of the triangle. Why?

SPEAKER_03: 45:59

What you know okay, so like I always I I uh I find historically the priesthood was probably a safe place for somebody who might have struggled with same-sex attraction, like that didn't want to get married. It was probably a safe place for them to go, right? So I I would imagine throughout history you did probably have some percentage of people that were like this in the priesthood, but I think at a certain point when you get to like where um uh uh Fulton Sheen talks to Belladod, right? And I think there's this active uh attempt to overtake the like the Catholic priesthood with men with this predilection, and then it gets to a point where once they get to the levels of of bishop, it then like in the 60s and 70s and 80s, it gets to a point where once they're in positions of power, they only elevate other men with this predilection. And now we're dealing with the consequences of this happening from that period in time. Whereas, like throughout history, I don't think it was like this. Like, I think there might have been a couple that got in just to avoid speculation on why they're not married, things like that. But what happens once you get to a certain point in recent history is it becomes like a club where they once those men are in positions of authority, they just start elevating other men with the same problems. That's what, like the whole McCarrick thing, what that was really about, him going out to that house out east with them to go and you know see which ones would stay in better. That was him feeling out which men he could elevate to put to higher positions. And it was like, oh, if you wanna, if you wanna it was like pay to play with a guy like McCarrick, and that's the situation we're dealing with now, and it's gotten to the point where now those men will be the ones in charge of what kind of vestments the Pope is wearing, like that's how high up this stuff has gotten at this point, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 48:01

It's very stuff well, yeah, but you know, you want to talk about there's nothing new under the sun. Um, Saint Peter Damien lived from 1007 to 1072. Okay. He wrote the book of Gomorrah, which was primarily about uh ecclesial homosexuality. And as a quote, this is a quote that he that he himself gave. For God's sake, why do you damnable sodomites pursue the heights of ecclesiastical dignity with such fiery ambition? There's nothing new under the sun. So we've got St. Peter Damien as a model. This is a thousand years ago, a thousand twenty years ago. Okay. We have a similar circumstance where right now in the Catholic Church, we have these these sodomites who work among themselves, they circulate and they they network together, they bump each other to certain positions, and they operate the same way communists do. Communists they don't want to take over the apparatus, they just want to hold choke points because if you hold the choke points, you can control everything without having a large number of people to do it. Uh, that's what the the uh homosexuals in the church do. They hold certain key positions like, oh, I don't know, uh nuncio, they hold key positions like uh the most uh influential cardinal in the in the country to play kingmaker, to make all the recommendations as to who should be made bishop next in the United States. There are plenty of great, great priests in this country that would make wonderful bishops, and they will never ever get elevated, never right, because they're not part of the club, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 49:48

Yeah, this is what I this is why, like, when when when I talk to guys and they're like, Oh, but there's so many young conservative priests in seminary, and it's like, yeah, but you're not understanding the levels of power that are held uh amongst amongst these men at this point, like they're not those those conservative priests are not going to get elevated, like we're in a situation now that is so catastrophic it's going to take the hand of God to to fix it, you know. Oh, yeah, it just is.

SPEAKER_01: 50:19

I mean, I think that the symbol of Sodom is fire falling from the sky. What was it that Our Lady of Akita said?

SPEAKER_03: 50:27

It's a good point, Michael.

SPEAKER_01: 50:29

You know, yeah. Why why is it that we're being threatened with fire that would destroy two-thirds of humanity? I mean, it seems that uh if if the only way to to get rid of this particular vice is by fire, then we will be faced with a trial by fire.

SPEAKER_03: 50:49

Yeah, and it'll be just that's what's crazy. It's like it'll be it'll be just. It's like it will we'll we'll completely deserve it for allowing this nonsense to to to happen, and it's it sucks for the faithful who don't want it to happen, right? The faithful who just want to live our Catholic faith and go about our business. But the thing is, even us, like there's so many things in our lives that we could could be offering up a sacrifice and penances for like the idea that we have like that we got rid of um like days of fasting and penance for the clergy, the um like the it's just crazy that the church did that after the council.

SPEAKER_01: 51:34

Well, why is it that our lady consistently asks for prayers for the Pope?

SPEAKER_03: 51:39

Yeah, because Satan is looking to sift him like wheat.

SPEAKER_01: 51:42

That's right. Yeah, that's right. And I think that uh what we're witnessing right now, Ember Days is what I was thinking of, right? Ember Days, yeah, yeah. Ember days, Coles.

SPEAKER_03: 51:53

Yeah, I'll tell you, this is actually I was gonna, I was just gonna say somebody just pointed this out. This is the first time we've had over like we have like 480 people on YouTube and a thousand people on my actual uh uh ex stream right now. If you guys can hit like and subscribe, we'd appreciate it. And while while you're all here, go uh subscribe to Lapanto Institute on YouTube, also. Uh Michael is one of our favorite guests, if not our favorite guest. Everybody always loves when Michael comes on. He's uh he brings an element of sophistication to our show that's not usually there.

SPEAKER_01: 52:31

Um, yeah, it's just like uh Joe McClain was calling your show the Cleveland Browns of of uh of to see that.

SPEAKER_03: 52:38

And another Joe Joe McClain just moved to afternoons. I want to give a shout because Joe's in our chat tonight, and it Joe's not usually in our chat because Joe goes to bed at seven o'clock typically because he had to be up at 3 a.m. And now Joe is an afternoon show, so it'll be a little easier to get Joe on. Uh Joe will come and join us soon. Um, I I would always go to work and jump in Joe's chat in the morning, so it's nice to see he returned the favor a little bit. Um, but yeah, go go check out. Um, is Joe's uh show name the same still?

SPEAKER_00: 53:07

Yeah. Act. A Catholic take.

SPEAKER_03: 53:11

A Catholic take with Joe McLean. I always just look just look up Joe McLean on YouTube and you'll find him. But yeah, Joe's show is uh in the afternoon now, which I I'm I'm very happy about. He I don't know if he's happy about it, but I enjoy it.

SPEAKER_01: 53:23

Um I'm glad that he's on at four o'clock in the afternoon because now I don't have to get up super early to be honest.

SPEAKER_03: 53:31

Like, I don't have a day off, and I'm like, all right, Joe, I'm off today. I'll come on your show, and I still gotta wake up like I'm going to work. But uh no, we love Joe. Joe is uh Joe's Joe's definitely awesome. Uh so yeah, go check out a Catholic take, subscribe to Joe McClean's YouTube channel. Uh, especially with him moving to afternoons, like I want to I want to make sure everybody shows him as much support as possible. Uh I saw he had Michael Matt on. Michael Matt's another interesting one because I think Michael Matt put out a couple of bad tweets leading up to his take on the Minneapolis stuff, and most people are reacting to his tweets rather than what Michael's actually saying. And if you actually go and listen to his shows, like he he it, it's not I know Rob, you've been going at it with Michael Matt a lot, but you'll even admit you haven't watched any of his shows, you're kind of just going based on Twitter and Twitter really saying our city, our city, our city, and then he lives 50 miles away. Twitter's just a terrible medium for like complex thought because anytime you write anything over 280 characters, nobody reads it. It's like so you know, Rob Rob and Michael Matt have been going at it a lot on Twitter lately, but I think I think he does have a few good points. So Rob is insisting that he ruins every relationship we have in this business. It's kind of fun, honestly. I don't care. I'm not your I'm not your boss. You can say whatever you want, do whatever you want. But uh, all right, so we're gonna wrap this side up. We're gonna go on the other side and we're gonna talk about the Elijah Schaefer Sarah stock Sarah stock drama. I'm not usually Michael joins us on locals. I told Michael I'd rather not ruin and sully his reputation. So it's probably better we let him go. Michael, give Alyssa our best. Um, tell her, tell her uh we thought that she was in the chat tonight. We were very excited for a minute, and we found out it was Joe McLean, and we immediately were disappointed. Opposing is me. Yes. Uh, all the best to your family. Uh okay, guys, go check out Rob is still trying to ruin the relationship with but he just won't let me. No, that's not even that's not even wrong. Rob is like purposely tried to crash this podcast on multiple occasions. Like, nope, you're not getting rid of me, dude.

SPEAKER_02: 55:52

You won't let me just drop them.

SPEAKER_03: 55:53

It's not happening. No, no, no, you're stuck with me. Um, all right. So we're gonna go do Elijah Schaefer sour stock stuff over on locals. If you guys aren't local supporters, that is where we have all the fun. You guys are missing out on on the best part of the show. If you're not local subscribers, come join us on locals and we're gonna get into the the next Catholic Inc. content creator to go down the road of debauchery and try to fool all of you. Michael, thank you so much, man. Go check out LePonto Institute on YouTube and check out Lepanto Institute.

SPEAKER_01: 56:22

Is it.com or LePontoin.org.

SPEAKER_03: 56:26

Lapontoin.org. Michael, we will get you on again soon. Thank you so much, man. You've been a great friend of the show and we love you. All right, love you too, guys. All right, we'll see you next time, brother. All right, we'll see you guys on the other side. Take us out, Rob. Uh, we'll go this one. Dude, I couldn't bring Michael on this. I got in the green room, I just told Michael, I'm like, I'm like, Michael, I love you. And you you're always welcome. Like, don't get me wrong, like, you're welcome to join us. We're we're we're doing this for you, Michael. I'm like, I love you too much to involve you in the smut we're gonna get into tonight, dude.

SPEAKER_02: 57:43

Wait, was uh chat already? We need e-girl executions, dude.

SPEAKER_03: 57:53

Freaking Sarastock, dude. I'm telling you, I freaking knew this broad was no good. I knew it. I saw everybody clamoring around.

SPEAKER_02: 58:03

Oh whoa, we're gonna say this once for legal purposes. These are all just allegations with no proof.

SPEAKER_03: 58:10

Oh shit. I trust Milo on this. I trust Milo on this, man. I'm gonna tell you guys something about Milo. I mean, he's got an audio recording that's dude's never been sued. He is an evil genius, man. I'm gonna tell you, they might call him gay, they might call him a racist, but they never call him a liar. He's not yo, he's Milo's a sick bastard, dude. Like, I I texted and I'm like, dude, whatever we do, we cannot ever he's so sick. Like he finds everything out. It's like people cannot wait. They think he's a priest, they can't wait to confess shit to him. Oh, yeah. I I what I mean, no offended. Like, people are like he's a he's also a homosexual. Like, I know I know what Milo is. He's just dude, he is. I can't say who told me this, but I was like, uh, like uh, what do you think of Milo? They were like, he is dangerous, dangerous and like like evil genius level smart. Like, like he's unbelievably smart, but dangerous, dude. Like, you do not want to get on Milo's bad side. He gossips like a queen for sure. Yeah, wait till Milo. The thing is, I somebody said, wait till Milo hears about Anthony's high school lore. That's why I spill like everything on here, so that none of you are shocked if any of this stuff comes out later. Like, honestly, that's why I tell you guys about half the crap I do. It's because when when like when some of this it inevitably comes out, because that this is kind of the craziest thing about all this, like Sarah stock presenting her as presenting herself as some like e trad girl. Has it even been cavic for a year? You're you're doing this and you're having a freaking affair on the side. Like, how do you people think you're going to get away with this? Like, this shit always comes to light, it always comes to light. It's not like it was the same thing with the voice of reason stuff. Like, dude, you thought you were gonna become the biggest Catholic personality while you're doing all this crap, Sierra Stock and Voice of Reason, everybody in the same room together. No, but they've both been associated with Kyle Whittington.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:36

Oh my gosh. Speaking of, I love how never mind. I can't no, that's even too bad.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:45

Kyle, somebody somebody said to Kyle, like uh, your Catholic content creator conference. How come Anthony and Rob aren't invited? You know what his response was? Well, whenever Anthony and Rob get invited to something, the bishops tend to get mad and there's controversy around it. We want to avoid controversy. It's like, no, let's let's invite a literal whore who's cheating on her fiance. That's totally fine, guys, because the bishop won't complain, but god forbid you brought two fathers along who happened to be fair, he has invited us, and we've just straight up told him no way. No, he invited us to pay to come. That's that's not like I'm not paying to come to your Catholic creator conference, dude. If you want to pay me to come, that's a different story.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:26

No, it's not because he wouldn't have the money. No, well, I'm he would text you a few days before saying, uh, oh man, I forgot to book a hotel room. I don't know why I did you crash on my couch.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:39

I give a little, and Rob always crosses the line and like tells you guys.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:45

Well, maybe it's because you know, he just you know, the uh yesterday as the SSPX news breaks, he decides to have uh Jeremiah Jeremiah Bannister come out of the woodwork for the first time in like three years to badmouth fellow Catholics. I don't know, Kyle. Maybe pay the people you say you're gonna pay to come to your country.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:02

Dude, you are sick. You are so you are sick. Holy cow, Rob.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:09

Yes, I'm done with it. I'm done with it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:12

All right, anyway. I uh yeah, like I it whatever, we'll get off the Catholic creator. So um Milo. Um Milo uh is alleging some very, very big things.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:32

Um has it even gotten past the Sarah stock park yet yet, or is he still on that?

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:38

So well, Milo just Milo just pointed something out. Uh Sarah has called just about every woman on the internet a whore.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:46

Someone says Rob's not even bad cop, he's body cam off cop, dude.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:51

You guys have no idea. Like, I've I I try to release like a little bit so you guys can get like a slight hint of what's gonna rob's just like no, I'm gonna say it. I don't care. He's sick, totally sick. Okay, so for anybody that doesn't know, Elijah Schaefer has always been a like a little who is he? So Elijah Schaefer used to work for Glenn Beck's company. What was that? The Blaze, right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:17

Oh, imagine that someone working for a Mormon is a piece of shit.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:19

So he worked for the Blaze and he worked with that Australian chick. Um, so come on, help me out in the chat. What is that Australian chick he works with? Uh really annoying chick. Uh let's give it a second. Somebody'll somebody'll get me. Uh all right, you guys aren't helping me out.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:38

Sad that Michael Voris might be the sanest of the e-girls.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:42

Sydney Watson. There you go. Thank you, Jim. Jim's on it. All right. So Elijah Schaefer works at Blaze TV uh alongside Sydney Watson, and they do a show together. And then Elijah gets fired from there because Sydney Watson puts all these allegations about Elijah Schaefer that he sexually harassed her and he's a total creep and all this crap. So now Elijah leaves the Blaze. Elijah leaves the Blaze and he goes and works at um initially he goes and works at Gavin McInnes's network.

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:11

Uncensored Uncensored.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:13

Uncensored uh.tv, right? So he's then working there, and then that deal falls apart and Elijah goes on his own and he starts Rift TV. Now, this whole time this is going on, Elijah is like he's always been all over the place, man. Like he I think he had like a lot of crazy crap happening in his life, and then all of a sudden he starts coming out and talking about Christianity, and he has Tim Gordon on his show, and he has Jay Dyer on his show, and he's debating if he's gonna go Catholic or Orthodox. He's presenting himself publicly as a Christian, and he's saying, you know, I have a lot of sins in my past, but like I'm finding that God can forgive me and all this stuff. Behind the scenes, though, what Milo is revealing is that Elijah's spiraling out with the drug use, and especially with cocaine, dude. If you get you get involved with cocaine, cocaine is the devil's drug, man. Like the the crap people do on cocaine, like you you listen to stories by Charlie Sheen, and Charlie Sheen talks about doing crack and cocaine, and like that's what makes them go both ways with men and women and stuff. Like it is the devil's drug. So Milo puts this tweet out. He says, I'm in touch with Elijah. I told him to get off the internet for a couple of weeks and to go to rehab. It's better for everyone to just rip the band-aid off. So I'll share with you over the next few hours the info doing the rounds in private, or at least what I've been able to confirm. So Milo basically tells Elijah, dude, there's gonna be like a dossier coming out on you. You need to get off the internet. Elijah. Now it but before this, Elijah puts out a tweet saying, like, I can't find my family.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:44

Oh hold on, like, oh, Milo. Text him warning of, Hey man, shit's gonna come out on you. You you need to get ahead of this.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:54

And then, like, five minutes later, literally you have 30. 32 seconds to put out a statement before I release every single private detail about it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:07

As he's literally writing up the dossier getting ready to send it out.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:11

Um, somebody's saying Adderall is worse than Coke because it's normalized. That's 100% true. Like Adderall, Adderall and Cocaine are the devil's drugs. But um, so basically, Milo's like, dude, this is like a dossier about to come out on you. You need to get out in front of this and you need to come clean, and just just and Milo's not wrong. Like, when something's going to come out, don't try to don't try to like put a band-aid on, like, just come out and tell everybody like this is how bad it is, and say it worse than it even was, so that no info can come out about you that they can hold against you. Um, so Milo then gets into the Sarah stock stuff. Milo texted Sarah and he said, if your husband doesn't know, now is the time.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:54

I understand that you won't have time because I'm about to tweet it out in five seconds.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:59

I understand that you won't see it like this for a long time, but as you can see from the above, it is better for everyone that things come out in one birth today instead of metastatizing over weeks. Now, he's not wrong. No, he's not, he's not wrong, like Sarah. So, from what I understand, and I'm gonna tell you guys stuff that's not on the internet. Sarah's in a group text with a bunch of people, and they all said, Sarah, Sarah, is this true? And Sarah is denying it. Okay, so Sarah just thinks she's gonna deny it because she doesn't even know that she was recorded, and somebody recorded that is probably illegal, depending on the state, but so I I had said like part of me feels really bad for Sarah's husband because like this guy doesn't this guy is finding all this stuff out on the internet today, and it's like, man, that poor guy, like getting cucked before the world, Elijah Schaefer's banging your chick, and you don't know about it. But at the same time, it's like, man, what do you guys think is gonna like you like do you not understand a girl who clamors for attention on the internet? Like, do you not know how bad that is? Like a girl who has a public persona on the internet, how dangerous of a thing that is. Like, you you can't, and and she's like flying around the she's flying around the country to go to do these things. It's like, man, Pine sap, you're caught up in this crap too, man. Chris, Chris from Crash Cannon, you're caught up in this crap too, because you guys had to interview the newest e-girl. It's like, what are you guys doing? There's no e-girls ever, ever, ever, ever. There's no exceptions to this rule, and every time you make an exception, it blows up in your face. That is true, it blows up in your face. I'm telling you guys, it's like there was a time where Rob was like, Hey, should we interview this person? I was like, Nope, I don't want women on my show. The only exceptions I've made are for like from Catholic Unscripted, because she's not an e-girl, Nancy Charles, but that's Nancy Charles, she's not an e-girl, but like an e-girl, there's never ever going to be an e-girl on our program. I promise you, I'll never let you guys down on that. It'll never happen. I don't care. I don't care if it'll get us a billion views, I won't do it. It ain't happening. It's just um pine sap doesn't know what to do and he can't copy. Come on, I'll be mean to Pine Sap. Poor Pine Sap, poor Zappy. I don't think uh anybody should ever marry a woman with a public persona on the internet. Look, this is look, I'm gonna say something mean here, but that kid Braden that put out the rap songs posted a picture of him and his e ho the other day.

SPEAKER_02: 1:09:53

Oh, do I have to show it? I don't know, yeah. I don't know. I only know who you're talking about because Taffy put him in one of our intros.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:59

My wife just asked me, Can you please stop screaming? Like so loud, Anthony. Stop screaming.

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:03

No, Anthony, if you scream, if you scream whore one or two more times, I swear.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:09

Yeah, the whole house hears me. Oh man, yeah, majarian's right, like Olivia. Dude, honestly, Braden, love you, bro. You gotta get your girl off the internet. Wait, is it? You're gonna find out your girl's banging other other men. His girlfriend you're gonna be hit hard, huh? Yeah, he's yeah, I don't know if he's married to her or dating her. That girl's gross. That girl's gross. Um, yeah. So, all right, so February 2025, Sarah Stock and Elijah Schaefer began sleeping together. The affair ended on the day she got engaged.

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:44

February 2025 is also the same month she uh publicly announced she was going to become Catholic.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:52

The affair ended on the day she got engaged. About six months later, in that time, they experienced multiple pregnancy scares. It is alleged by one former acquaintance that Sarah got at least one abortion while she's claiming to become Catholic. Allegedly, allegedly, allegedly abortion. Maybe alleged, but I believe it. Like if you're if you're sleeping with more than one man and you get pregnant, like you're there's no way that's not, you know, you don't have to be. She shouldn't be sleeping with anyone, but if you're sleeping with more than one man, those are the times women mainly want to make sure they take care of it because god forbid you make some other man raise, you know, whatever. Stock and schaefer had sex on the day they met at the CPAC conference and recordings of stock confessing the affair. She claims large amounts of alcohol were involved, basically uh framing it like Elijah gave her Benadryl and too much alcohol, and that's why she did this. Stock's husband met uh has met Schaefer many times, but did not know about their relationship when he proposed. In this recording, stock can be heard admitting to the affair, adding that she does not plan to tell her husband. So somebody recorded her. Man, that's rough. Stock alleges that Schaefer got me like first.

SPEAKER_02: 1:12:10

What sort of terrible group of friends do you need to have with Hilbert that you were yeah, man. That what a group of just terrible people, just all over.

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:21

Schaefer constantly questions stock's faith at the same time as, or so several former employees allege, masquerading as an Orthodox Christian himself, wearing oversized religious jewelry. When he met Stock's husband, Schaefer kissed him on the forehead in the manner of a priest. Elijah Schaefer's affair with Sarah will come as a note as a surprise to some observers, many of whom are convinced that Schaefer is, or at least was gay. Others regard him as a cookie cutter, drunk, and womanizer. Both groups are correct. Man, Milo, you are so vicious, dude.

SPEAKER_05: 1:12:52

Milo is sex, dude. Yo, Milo's up is yo, he's nuts.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:04

All right, so there are too many examples of outrageous hypocrisy to list, but here's the kind of thing stock was posting online while she was near weekly and for six months cheating on her boyfriend with Elijah. It is not known whether she insisted her husband wait for marriage, and she's posting stuff like I am officially Catholic, posting pictures of her baptism. Actually, that's not quite true. We do not we do know if she made him wait. She did because Sarah Stock's husband believed he was marrying a virgin. That's what she told him, or at least allowed him to believe. What we don't know is how she explained not being intact on the big night. Oh my gosh, Milo.

SPEAKER_02: 1:13:42

I just just so you know, you personally, Anthony. I will be on Milo's side. I'm just saying, okay. I love you, Milo.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:00

Let me tell you something. If he's no bad with Milo, I have people that can get to him, so he better be careful. Because I may play the fun loving Catholic on TV, but I still know people. So if it ever gets to that point, Milo will wake up with a horse head next to him. That's all I'm telling you. Uh uh, Oliva's drinking, drug taking, and extramarital marital affairs have been relentless for the duration of his marriage, a union hastily arranged once he decided to pursue a conservative media career. A lot of these people that get into conservative media, like Charlie Kirk, had these hastily arranged conservative media marriages. One thing hasn't changed from Schaefer's days as a youth pastor. He still likes things. Oh my gosh, I'm not gonna read that. Schaefer owns an oh my god, I'm not gonna read that either. I said the Lord's name in vain. I apologize. Uh, Schaefer is on a cocktail of both illegal and prescription drugs, including peptides and accelerants. He has been blacking out from excessive alcohol consumption in combination with these chemicals multiple days per week for years. As he confessed during this third recording, there's recordings of all this. I thought that, like, I haven't read a lot of this stuff because it's all coming out in like real time. Yeah. Out of respect for Schaefer's soon to be ex-wife, and for the sake of his children, I'm not reproducing messages between between the Schaeffers. Suffice it to say that Elijah's conduct as husband and father have been derelict, frightening, and neglectful in the extreme. After years of infidelity, insensible drunking, rants, abuse, and even being falsely implicated in felonies. Schaefer's wife filed for divorce in Texas in January. Worried about his manly public image, Schaefer filed in Florida so he could pretend he had instigated the divorce. Chaefer faces met faces a messy divorce, made more difficult because he is flat broke. He raised money for a new endeavor, Rift TV at 5 million valuation, including one investment over quarter million. But that money is already gone, as are the staff. Rift TV is insolvent heading for bankruptcy. A lot of recent dozens of stories about his private modus operandi are flooding in. They are all the same aggressive sexual assault, profligating spending, profligate spending, vast quantities of drugs and alcohol, and at the end of the night, a foreign object in shape.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:25

Wow, no, no, no, no, no.

unknown: 1:16:30

Holy shit.

SPEAKER_03: 1:16:33

Milo, you are the sickest person I've ever met. I never met Milo, by the way. But he is so sick. Oh my goodness. Later today, I'll share what is like to likely to work for Rift TV and the vindictive ways Schaefer retaliated against those who either tried to help him or who spoke out about the workplace he made them endure. Oh, and that BMW, he left it unlocked with the keys inside more soon. He didn't realize he canceled the insurance, apparently. Uh, the biggest Milo tweeted this biggest lingering question is whether the abortion alleged by Sarah Stock's former co-worker in fact happened. To be precise, this ex-colleague said at least one. I don't have proof either way, although she and Elijah demonstrably had multiple pregnancy scares. Uh, you conservative ladies want to be careful gloating in your group chats about Sarah Stock when I know half a dozen of you who slept with Elijah too.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:28

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:30

Uh, one thing he said is uh Sarah has called just about every woman on the internet a whore. How do you women do it? Frightening.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:39

I'm gonna laugh if this ends up with Milo buying Rift TV. That's his way back in the conservative media, dude. We need the Milo interview.

SPEAKER_05: 1:17:49

No, bro. Dude, I need the Milo interview. He is so sick.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:58

Tim Gordon in one of them says just responded to Milo's season said, I pray Elijah's wife and children are safe. Tim's in such a rough spot because Tim has a relationship with Elijah, and he has a relationship with Milo.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:09

Well, we need to just stop having people on the show in general.

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:13

Safer. Um, safer that way. Um people asking, what if what Milo is saying is true? I I don't I don't see why what why would anybody doubt what Milo's saying? Like Milo has never been sued. Like, I don't I don't think there's a way to say this isn't true. I don't get how we ah man, I don't know. Man, why can't we just get some normal people in Catholic media? Why do you people why do you people living these double lives have to become Catholic podcasters? Why is it always that way? I don't get it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:52

I'd say because there's money in it, but there's not enough money in it, not that much money in it, dude. This is not we're not e-girls, so man. Yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:09

I don't know. I'm just so jaded against women at this point, man. And sour stock, you you could have you could have helped repair that image. Man, did you do the opposite? Like you none of you, none of you are good. Why? Why can't any of you just be normal? It's a good thing Michael Hitchborne didn't join us for this. You know, it's just uh man, I just don't understand. I don't get it, man. Like all this stuff. I'm starting to black pill, are there any virtuous women out there? Yes. If they are, they're not on they're just not online, like they're not they're not internet girls, like they're not e-girls. Look, this is like this is actually an important thing for you guys to understand. Like, if there's a if there is a girl with an internet persona and she has a lot of followers, like why would you ever get mixed up with that? Like, it's not I'm not talking about like the girl who's on Twitter and just like randomly tweets stuff, but like a girl who makes money with social media, that is such a dangerous thing. Like, you're you're having guys that you don't know DMing her and things like why would you ever want to deal with that? I don't understand why you'd ever want to deal with something like that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:33

The Amish women are are not a good option because their uh co uh co-sanguity rates and marriage are approaching Muslim levels, so uh don't go there, guys.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:44

Uh somebody's saying I sound like Nick Fuentes. No, I this is I've never not said this. Like, I'm not, I don't Nick sounds like me, maybe, and saying this before Nick was born. Nick was in diapers when I started saying this. Like that you have to just understand the mentality of a of a woman, like, even if she's not in like our world, like, even if she's like Anthony is being taken advantage of by women before Nick Fuentes was born.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:09

Yeah. In wrecking their rental cars, dude.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:22

I promise you guys have way more experience than women than Nick Fuentes does. Way more experience with women than Nick does. Like Nick's an observer. I didn't observe, I was in the mix. I'm just telling you guys, like, when when you're looking for a spouse, you don't want a girl that has like some social media platform, man. It is dangerous, and especially like in this one. Like, how I don't man, how is Sarah Stock coming into the Catholic Church while at the same time dating a guy? And then she goes and does that. Like, do these people have no conscience at all? Oh, he got me drunk. I don't give a crap. Why are you drinking with a guy? Like, why are you even putting yourself in that environment? This is another thing for all for everyone. Like, don't put yourself in an environment where scandal can occur.

SPEAKER_02: 1:22:15

Is that uh is it the Billy Graham or Franklin Graham rule I forget? That's one of the one of the crap. I think I think it's the Billy Graham, the Billy Graham rule.

SPEAKER_03: 1:22:25

Don't ever be in private. Don't ever be alone with a woman who's not your wife. Like, just don't do it. When when we do the um, like when we do meetups and we drink and stuff, like if my wife's not there, I'm not drinking around other women. Like, I'm I'm going to be very cautious about that. If I'm with a group of men, yes, we'll have a few drinks, but like uh you're not going to catch me drinking with some random young girl that could get me into some difficult situation. Like, it's just never gonna happen. I won't even entertain the idea of it. The reason I post my picture of me and my wife on my PFP is to let other women know I am married. Do not even don't even think about DMing me like something will happen. Like, never. There'll never be a DM between me and another woman that my wife will see that I'd worry about. Just never going to happen. Like, you have to be so careful when you're in this arena. All these women were like this, right? Uh, Michaela Peterson, Lauren Southern. All of them, man. It's just dude. I'm just like Sarah Stock, because from the outside, looked like she could have been like decent, you know, and it was like, oh, she's not as annoying as the other e-girls. Like, I I I I never trusted her because she's an e-girl. But like she's putting herself out there to go and debate. And it's like, why are you like, go be a go be a housewife? Like, you just got married. What are you doing? Why are you even a public persona anymore? Yeah, like go go be private. There's no need for this. Um yeah, somebody uh Elder and Capitan said, uh, these sick broads will see that you're married and still want to do not just that, there's there's women who will see you're married and want to destroy your marriage and want to ruin your reputation. It's like that's actually what happened to Voice of Reason. Voice of Reason was playing as games, and like these girls were like, Oh, you think you're gonna like there's hell hath no fury like a woman scorned?

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:30

Well, I'm sure that's what happened with uh Sarah stock too. All this information is coming from other women, probably that she works with at the Rift that Virginia chose her over them. Yeah, they were jealous. I'm sure that's exactly how this is coming about.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:50

Chris, Chris from Crash Cannon. Are you in the chat, Chris? Are you in the chat, Chris? I wonder if Chris is in the chat.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:02

Yeah, that's true. Women have nothing on Milo. Hell has no fury like a Milo. And I don't think he was even scorned, I think he got bored today.

SPEAKER_03: 1:25:14

No, Milo, Milo don't give up. Milo just don't give a flying. Chris interviewed both Elijah and Sarah. Oof. Yeah, he did. Oh I'm gonna tell you guys a little inside baseball. I know somebody in a group chat with Chris and Sarah, and Chris questioned or somebody questioned Sarah, and Sarah denied everything. And Chris is like, I met her in person, dude. She's pro-life, she wouldn't have done that. Here's the problem with a lot of you guys.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:49

Do we all remember uh Lottie? Who Lottie? She was a the pro-life um teenage Jewish girl who was gonna be Catholic and then she ended up getting an abolition. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:03

Here, okay. So look, here's the problem with so many Catholics. Man, you guys are so gullible. Like, so many of you are so gullible that you think because you know somebody who paid lip service to the thing that you hold dear, that you can actually trust that person. People pay lip service to crap all the time. Like, do you not understand that this is actually like you would have Cardinal World come to the to the March for Life and pay lip service to pro-life stuff while at the same time having little boys that you know? I'm just guessing it was not. I don't want to, I don't want to get in legal trouble.

SPEAKER_02: 1:26:40

But now you're worried about that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:44

People pay lip service to a thing to fool you. Like you have to know a person. Like, like Chris is like, well, I met them in person, they're pro-life. Like, no, you're a gullible simp, dude. Like, you this is why we tried to warn you about interviewing e-girls, Chris. Like, we did that because we love you, we did that because we care about you. Stop interviewing these girls, you're gonna make yourself look foolish. It's the same thing with Matt Frad interviewing Voice of Reason, and Matt Frad having this guy on and that guy. It's like, dude, do you have any discernment whatsoever to not know I shouldn't do this thing?

SPEAKER_02: 1:27:18

How do how do people not? I mean, I I I don't think I'm some sort of like extraordinary, like judge of character. How do people not realize people are bad?

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:33

That means a crap. The boys are screenshoting Chris and sending at the end. What did the screenshot of me say? I'm not saying who sent me anything, I just know I know, yeah, dude. Majority is right. Catholics have no bullshit to tell. Like, how do you guys not know when somebody's like, dude, it frustrates me with you guys so much. Like, how do you not know when somebody's the person they say they are? Like, I Could dude the first time I freaking saw a voice originally this guy's full of shit 100%. Like this guy's full full of shit. Like, how do you guys not know? I didn't even need to hear the voice. The day I met Dan from Pelican, I knew he was full of shit. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. You can't complain about me doing that. I don't give a fuck anymore. Like, I the day I met Dan from Pelican Plus, like, you're full of shit. I'm not signing anything with you.

SPEAKER_02: 1:28:27

Boy, I'm so glad we didn't know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:28:29

I'm not signing. I know you're full of shit. I've known bullshit artists my whole life. You're a liar.

SPEAKER_02: 1:28:37

I just want to say it was you this time. It was you this time.

SPEAKER_03: 1:28:46

Kyle? You want to do Kyle? I'll do Kyle. You want to do the Catholic Creator Conference? I'll do the Catholic Creator Conference. Hold on, wait, wait. How much have you had to drink? These niggas don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:29:02

I don't like these shows when you've been home all day. Yeah, imagine not paying for this.

SPEAKER_03: 1:29:18

No, do not clip that crash order or anything else that happens. I don't even care anymore. Clip it, put it on Twitter. I don't care. I don't care anymore. I'm tired of everybody being so full of shit, man. Like I really am. I am so tired of people not locals. I am so tired of people not like just dude. Everybody's so full of crap, man. Everybody's so full of shit. Everybody's so fake. And they put, oh, come to come to here and we're gonna like just shut up, all of you. I don't care. This is why like you're all going to fade into just nobody's going to watch anything you're doing because you're also fake.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:07

Yeah, it's it is my biggest frustration about um uh about being in this this space is the more you I mean the the guys we have off the Patrick Coffin crash out is gonna come one day. I'm just telling you guys you're waiting to see if people can get their money back from him before you do that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:30:28

The Patrick Coffin crash out will come one day. I'm just not ready for it yet.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:34

Yeah, you should go to the doctor and get a physical and get your heart checked out before you have that crash out. Oh man. Oh man. I mean, we have the guys we we tend to have on over and over because those guys are genuine, you know. Yeah, I mean, Hitchbourne, for instance, we just had on tonight. Is because that that dude is exactly who he appears to be.

SPEAKER_03: 1:30:59

Let me tell you something. Like, talk about guys who present themselves one way and are the same guy behind the scenes. Like, Michael Hitchbourne is Michael Hitchbourne. Like, I have spent a lot of time behind the scenes with Michael Hitchborn, which is why I didn't want to bring him on here. I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, this ain't this ain't this ain't this ain't the show. Mike, we're Michael, we're gonna get into riff raff tonight. Like, I'm gonna I know I knew I knew I was on my third 10 Imperial Sunshine Sunshine. No, it's Imperial Sunshine. Blue Point Brewery. Best the best. Um, I wouldn't say uninstall Pelican Plus. I would say that Pelican Plus just I wouldn't do a yearly subscription.

SPEAKER_05: 1:31:44

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:31:47

Um enjoy it while you can. Yeah, enjoy it while it's there. I just don't see it lasting. That's all. Uh and somebody asked, um somebody, what did they say? What's wrong with Kyle? Nothing's wrong with Kyle. Like, I I like Kyle. I don't like that he I don't like that Kyle asked me to come to his creator conference and wanted me to pay to come. And I'm like, see, like who do you like? I work for I have kids and like I have a family. Like, you want me to pay to come to your I mean, I mean, first of all, like you want to pay me to come and like present and I'll I'll give a talk that like that's a different thing, but like you want me to pay to come and hang out with what Cameron Riker? Like, that's what you want me to do. Like, it's not happening, dude. I don't know, I don't know. Like, we're we're not in the same realm.

SPEAKER_02: 1:32:36

No, he wants to create, you know, he he's helping to create a to solidify a professional, you know, Catholic commentariat sphere, and that's just gay. It's it's incredibly dude.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:48

Like, here's let me. I'm gonna I'll tell you guys something. Like, okay, so you see all these guys, right? Like, you you see look, and and I like a lot of them. Like, I really like Sipso Sarah behind the scenes. Like, I'm I'm very friendly with him, like, I really do like him. Uh, I like Cameron Ranker too. Like, I have no issue with any of these guys, other than his theft material, but but like the but the thing is, these guys they'll get better views on their videos on YouTube than us. Trent Horn will get better views on his YouTube videos than us, he'll get videos with a hundred thousand views, but he doesn't have like he doesn't have like a ride or die audience, like he he just doesn't. It's not like like what we do is we do like an hour on YouTube and then we come over here. Like the people that subscribe to our locals, like they know us, and they like there's something about what we do here that people are like I wanna I wanna hang with the boys, and I wanna like none of them get to do what we do, none of them. It's a totally different sphere of of of figuring this this thing out. Like, I don't think any of them have figured it out, and I think all of them wish they kind of had like a diehard audience, like we do. Like it's very different what what they do and what we do, like they may get more views on a video, and they may get some boomers who are like, Oh my god, you help me convert to the faith. Like, that's what they get, and that's cool. Like, you heard the same rehash Catholic answers argument 8,000 times, and that brought you to the faith. I'm very happy for you. Probably helped me come into the faith originally.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:20

And there, I mean, there is always gonna be a space for stuff like that, even if it is the same conversation over and over and over, because there will always be people who haven't heard it yet. I mean, it's like it's like the the trad sphere always talking about the same stuff over and over and over. It it's boring as heck for you and I. We've heard it, we've been through it, but there are people that are hearing it for the first time.

SPEAKER_03: 1:34:44

Yeah, I actually talked to to Ryan about that last night. I was like, dude, like the re so Ryan was like, Oh, I texted Rob and asked him if he wanted to come on last night. He left me on red.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:53

Oh, guys, I'm terrible at Twitter DMs. My bad.

SPEAKER_03: 1:34:57

But I said I said, like, the thing is, like, for a guy for guys like me and you, like, we've been doing this same conversation for 10 years, right? Like, it's it's 2027. We started this in 20 2017. It's like, I don't give a shit about Vatican II anymore, like, I just don't care, I don't care about it. But there are new guys, like Ryan just converted in 2020, and he comes in and it's like, oh, like there are guys who actually want to have this conversation, it's just old to me because I've been having it for 10 years, but there are new guys, so it's like, oh, let me jump on Ryan's show, and then it kind of becomes fresh again because I'm talking to new guys about it, you know what I mean? It's a different thing than me and you rehashing the same thing again.

SPEAKER_02: 1:35:41

It's like I like I have a hard time understanding how people can be so critical of the SSPX when like the SSPX was the only place that had masks during COVID. Yeah, well, guess what? There's a lot of people who has come to the church since then and have no idea, you know, that that was the case. That the whole US Catholic Church shut down, except for the SSPX, basically. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:36:05

Oh, look who showed up. Chris is in the chat. Oh, Chris Chris Crash Cannon showed up in the chat. Chris. Chris. Chris. We love you, Chris. Like you have to understand all the jokes I make, all the that one time I revealed our DMs together and you got really upset. Like, I you don't understand I'm doing this because I care about you. Like, I try to help you, and you think I'm just being mean. I'm not doing it to be mean, doing it because I actually care about you. You gotta stop interviewing girls, dude. You're gonna look foolish, you're gonna look stupid in the long run, man. Like, stop interviewing these freaking girls. I know you wanna believe Sarah Stock would never have had an abortion, she's full of shit. I don't know. Obviously, it's alleged that bitch killed her kid. Most likely. Like, this is what I'm trying to tell you guys. Like, this is the kind of people you're dealing with. They'll tell you one thing because they know, like, oh, I need to maintain this persona publicly, and behind the scenes, this is the life they're living. And if you can't see through that, you're not gonna make it. Yeah, Anthony and Lila Rose. That woman makes me sick. Lila literally makes me sick. Like, I oh look, I'm I'm at the White House with with Robert F. Kennedy J. Why are you not home with your kids? What is your husband doing? He's babies.

SPEAKER_02: 1:37:45

Hold on, hold on, hold on. How would an Asian Lila row sound?

SPEAKER_03: 1:37:52

Dude, you want to know his nuts? What? Oh my god, man. My in-laws are now watching our show.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:01

Oh, okay. I thought you were gonna say they're watching Lila.

SPEAKER_03: 1:38:03

No, they're now watching our show, and not just my in-laws, like they're friends.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:10

I did I tell you uh I had a co-worker who told her elderly mother about us and her elderly mother binged us for five hours that night. Loves you, loves me. She must have been watching old shows because she said that young that she wasn't such a fancy. She didn't like cavazos. She didn't like cavazos.

SPEAKER_03: 1:38:33

Dude, this is actually like thank god for locals where we can actually like vent and like say stuff because I know I know my in-laws and like my extended family is not paying to watch the extra content, but like the the YouTube stuff, I have to be very careful now. Yeah, like I really do have to be careful because like my in-laws are watching, dude. I it's crazy. I went to um for my father-in-law's birthday. We went to my sister-in-law's, and every single time I see my in-laws, Catholicism comes up, like it just comes up, and they're not contentious conversations, like they're kind of productive. And like this one was about purgatory, and um my my my brother-in-law Jared was like, uh, he goes, you know, I gotta tell, I gotta tell you, like, I've never met anyone like new crap. Yeah, I know you like he's like, he's like, you just know yourself. He's like, why didn't you become a priest? I'm like, uh, because I'm married and I have children. Like, what do you mean? I'm like, I'm like, but like the essence of like because me and my brother had to go to our parents and know that we're both having kids at the same time. Well, I'm not a priest because I knock my girlfriend up if you really want to talk about it, Jack.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:48

But um who happens to be your sister, I imagine.

SPEAKER_03: 1:39:54

Um, it's like the but the conversations are going good, they're not they're not contentious at all, but they always kind of revol like they revolve around the faith, and like that, it's really interesting, man. Like my in-laws are so intrigued by the show, and that Nicole and I are doing the pilgrimage, and they're like, I can't, they can't, they can't believe it. Like, they're just like, Man, this is so wild! But like you started a podcast, and like you're going to Europe, and like people want to go with you, like they they're so they ask a lot of questions, and then they're telling their friends about it, and their friends are looking up the show, and their friends are watching the show, and it's like, oh man, that's a lot of pressure.

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:38

We have 148 people watching right now, 151. I'm seeing. Well, regardless, that's the most people watching, and they all just saw your crash out.

unknown: 1:40:50

Yep.

SPEAKER_03: 1:40:52

I liked I liked locals when it was 80 people watching because I can say anything and it'll never get out of here.

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:59

Every once in a while, I do go through the emails of those who pay us just to make sure I don't see one that might be like one of our relatives member, yeah, a family member 100%.

SPEAKER_03: 1:41:13

The uh dude, the other night, uh, like I was on with uh TLM Ryan last night, and um it was fun, and then Stephen Cox joins, and all the sedes jump in the chat, and I'm just like, here we go.

SPEAKER_02: 1:41:30

That's when you decided to say that you think a lot of popes haven't been Catholic.

SPEAKER_03: 1:41:33

Yeah, but I don't even like I'm all right. So like I I don't disagree with you. Father Geckel thinks what I think I said something I didn't, like Father Geckel's a Sede priest, and he's like, You're going against like this is heretical, this is against Catalan. I'm I'm not saying like a non-Catholic can become Pope in that like they're not validly baptized and like went through the sacraments, I'm saying like a Catholic who like a validly baptized Catholic who goes through the motions and then gets elevated to Pope but doesn't believe the faith can absolutely be the Pope, like it's happened multiple times throughout history, multiple times. Yeah, there's no so when you ask me, Well, can a non-Catholic be Pope in reference to someone like Francis? Like, yes, obviously, he's the Pope. He's right there in the chair, guys. He's clearly the Pope. You're the one who's saying he's not the Pope, but like the whole world thinks he's the Pope. So, yes, obviously, someone who does not believe the same Catholic faith I do can be Pope. I don't know what to tell you. You guys want to call me a heretic? Oh, you because they're like, You're you'll spout heresy to to troll the sedes. It's like, no, I'm looking at reality.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:44

First of all, first off, they're so fucking they're so stupid. They they really are like it's not heresy, it's not it's not defined by the church, it's a theological opinion, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:42:57

And it's like I dude, I like I personally think a man who was validly baptized Catholic and went through the sacraments, but does not believe the Catholic faith can be Pope. I think it's happened several times throughout history. I don't know what to tell you guys. Um I don't like that locals gives out our emails, it doesn't give me out, it gives it to me and Rob.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:23

It gives them yeah, and trust me, we're not selling them to anyone.

SPEAKER_03: 1:43:28

The thing is, I like to dude Tommy. Uh no, screw him. No, I well, no, uh screw Sede Picante. No, all of them. I know you hate all of them. Tommy, I think Tommy, I think is funny. The Sede Picante, that kid is dead to me. Well, yeah, that means people don't tend to be funny, so um, but yeah, like so like he's funny, man. I don't know. And I'll I'll I'll always like I'll always revert to like if somebody is funny, I don't care what the I don't care what they think, like they're funny, like whatever. Um let's see, what do we got in the chat?

SPEAKER_02: 1:44:15

I don't know what's going on here. What's this majarian?

SPEAKER_03: 1:44:20

You're saying the SEDEs love you, but I'm just telling you cozy up to a sede audience is dangerous. And I tried that I told that to Stephen Cox, like um uh Stephen Cox you literally are having the most unsta you like cultivating the most unstable audience ever, yes, dude. Like, so like the sede's asked, like they were they were like, because on on that pilgrimage poster, I put a picture of Pope Leo, like we're going to a papal audience, and they're like, Well, but you go see a papal is like first of all. I went and saw Francis when I went to Italy last night. It's like it's the Pope, like if it dude, if Obama let's be honest, if Obama's coming to town and I can get a picture with Obama, I'm getting a picture with Obama, dude. Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:45:06

Well, let's think of it this way let's say he is an anti-pope. There's been fewer anti-popes than popes, so let's not pretend that an anti-papal audience wouldn't be sweet.

SPEAKER_03: 1:45:17

Yeah, it's like I don't care. Wait, uh, Chris is asking if I want people like Dr. Carrie Grass in with e-girls. No, Dr. Carrie Grass is much worse than an e-girl. Oh no, much worse than an e-girl. Because Dr. Carrie Grass is a thief. Dr. Carrie Grass, I don't know if I'm allowed to say this.

SPEAKER_02: 1:45:36

This is you're probably okay. If you if you ask yourself that, probably not. I'm gonna say it anyway.

SPEAKER_03: 1:45:43

Oh boy, I'm not involved in this. Okay, so uh for anybody that doesn't know, Tim Gordon's book, Case for Patriarchy, and his wife's book, Ask Your Husband. Those come out on was it Sophia or Tan? I'm not involved in this one, and I don't know. One of the two, I'm not gonna even argue about which one it is. There's a group of other authors who don't like Tim Gordon and his wife, and they go to that publisher and they're like, get rid of them. Huh? Oh, no, no, okay. Go, get they go to the publisher and they're like, get rid of them, or we're walking. Cary Grass was one of them. And then Cary Grass basically went and took everything that they said in their books and put out their own put out her own book. It's just my opinion. I really hate the whole catch. It's just my opinion. I really hate it. It's just my opinion. I don't know if that's true. I'm just guessing. But that kind of happened. So screw Carrie Grass. So yeah, Chris, you want to go and interview Carrie Grass, have fun. But then you'll try and get Tim. Then you want to know why Tim Gordon doesn't want to come on your show, Chris. I just want to point out once again, Chris.

SPEAKER_02: 1:46:58

What the women thing came and bit you back in the ass real fast there, dude.

SPEAKER_03: 1:47:02

Chris, just stop trying to get girls on your show. Just stop trying to get women on your show. Who I I Chris, what audience are you going for? Like, I that's what I don't understand about you. Like, what audience are you going for? Are you going like I like the Latin Slavs are doing their thing? It's three guys getting on there. Majarian's doing his majarian thing, Antoni's doing his thing. It's like they're going for a very specific audience. Like Majarian, it like people that watch our show will very much like the Latin Slavs. People that watch our show will very much like TLM Ryan's Pre-Conciliar Radio. Like, like our audience fits in well with those two shows. But then Chris will ask you to come on, and he'll ask me to come on, and we'll go on to try to bring our audience over there, and then he'll have Amber on, and then he'll have Sarah Stock on, and then he'll get Mike Pantile on. And it's like, dude, you like what audience are you going for? You have to figure out like this. The the thing we do on here, like you're going for a niche audience, you're trying to you're trying to develop a group of people who like your take on things, right? So when Rob and I started, it was like we did trivia and then we started doing like some solo shows, and then we started getting interviews. And it's like, I know the guys who watch Taylor Marshall will like our show, so let's get Taylor Marshall on and bring him on because people, if you like Taylor, you're probably like us. Then it's like, let's get Father Isaac on because people that like Father Isaac will probably like our show. So you're bringing guests on that you think will like you, but the end goal is always I want people to tune in because they like Rob and me. Right, like that's actually the goal. It's like you bring a guest on, not because you just want people to check out one episode where the guest is on, you bring them on because you're hoping you say something that the guest goes, like that the people watching go, oh, these guys are kind of cool. I'll check out what they're doing.

SPEAKER_02: 1:48:55

Yeah, you don't want them to watch a show because of the guest, you want them to watch the show because of your interaction with the guest, with the guest, right?

SPEAKER_03: 1:49:04

So, like, I'll only watch Matt Frad's show based on his guest. Like, if Matt Frad has a good guest on, I'll still check it out because I want to see what that guest has to say. But I don't watch Matt Frad for Matt Frad anymore because I don't, I'm just being honest. Like, I don't want like it's not like I watch Matt Frad regardless of his guest, I'll just watch him based on his guest. Same thing with Joe Rogan. Like, I don't watch Joe Rogan if he has anybody on, I'll watch Joe Rogan if Andrew Wilson's on, or I'll watch Joe Rogan or if he has this person on. And it's like that's how it goes. But for us, I'm always looking for guests that will bring us a bigger audience. Now, Chris, if you if you bring guests on that are so totally opposite from each other, you're never gonna get those people to come back because they don't care about what you're saying, they just want to see the guest come on. So you have to that like what we do in this space is actually more difficult than people realize. Like, you have to tailor Your own audience so that people like you and they come back for you no matter who you're interviewing. So I try to help you out until you stop talking to girls because you want to have our audience. It's not to be mean, it's not to trash you, it's to tell you like you actually have a shot at getting our audience if you stop interviewing girls. Because our audience hates girls. Even the girls that watch our show hate girls.

SPEAKER_02: 1:50:34

If you pulled off the goth thing, like what's his name, you could be successful with that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:50:43

Uh no, I'll tell you what Latin Slavs has to do. They gotta tighten up their intro.

SPEAKER_02: 1:50:49

For a second, I thought you were gonna rage on what's his name again.

SPEAKER_03: 1:50:52

No, I actually like him now. Everything every time you're like, you gotta get rid of uh he fixed his audio. No, no, he's good, he's good, he's good. Um, you guys gotta tighten up your intro. Like, um to get people to stick around, you gotta have a uh a more tight end. This is where me and Rob crafted the intro video, so and it eventually became taffy making our intro videos, right? Which we are incredibly grateful for, Dad. No, like beyond grateful for, but it eventually became taffy making our intro videos. But we used to pick like we used to I used to spend half my day on show day to try to find something funny to open the show with because I wanted to have I never wanted like if you all right, if you tune into Dave Smith, it's like what's up, what's up, what's up, everybody. If you tuned into Tim Gordon, it's like greetings, Paris for Orphans and Retrogrades. If you tuned into um uh Michael Voris, it was welcome to the vortex. Well, lies and false house are trying. Like, I didn't, I never wanted to do the same intro on repeat because it gets annoying. So I was like, let's just start with a funny intro video, and then I kind of puts you on like a place where you're kind of laughing about you know what we need to bring back, the Apple reviews, Apple reviews, we need to bring back Apple reviews, and Supreme Crusaders death made me think of that. Yeah, so like when we started the show, uh Rob and I were like, All right, we were trying to just think of funny bits. So, one of the funny bits was okay, we'll tell people to leave the most horrific review they can of us, but just make sure you leave five stars because it'll boost us in the apple in the algorithm. So people would just roast us in the review and then just leave a five-star review. So and it wound up being such a funny bit, and we would start the show off reading people's roast of the show, but five-star review. It's like these guys suck, they do this, they do this, but I'm giving them five stars, and you should totally check them out.

SPEAKER_02: 1:52:51

You know, you want to you wanna do you want to hear the most recent one from November? So this is uh November 28th. Title is Caused Me to Become a Schismatic. Because of listening to the show, I made a scene in my local novice ordo mass when I saw a female altar boy and an alb. Because of this incident, my wife left me and took the kids because she said I'm an embarrassment, an autist and a religious extremist. I now attend an SSPX chapel. If you are an autistic religious extremist, this is the show for you.

SPEAKER_03: 1:53:25

Five stars.

SPEAKER_02: 1:53:26

I will not be seeking an element because the novice order counter church hands an old salt like candy. Five stars. Like, that's a brilliant review, man. So if you guys want to go and leave a few days earlier, this one is short. It just says Rafy and Dirty Randy made a podcast, five stars.

SPEAKER_03: 1:53:46

Did you ever watch it? If you guys want, go read, go leave a five-star review, but roast us in the review. Like, make fun of us, say whatever you want, just make sure you leave five stars, and maybe we'll maybe we'll read them on the show. And so, yeah, go to Apple Podcasts, leave like a horrific review of us and just leave five stars. Um, uh, dude, uh let me tell you something to the people who actually are coming to Italy with me, because the trip is sold out, like that's it. Trip is sold out, there's no more spots available. Uh, for anybody that's coming that's in the chat right now, Mike Pantile took the last spot. Mike Pantile's coming. So for anybody that is coming on that trip, Mike Mike is on that trip, and he took the last spot available. So I'm not promoting it anymore or anything, but for those of you who are coming, it's gonna be an awesome time, man. And I told Mike, I was like, dude, I can't give you a deal, I can't give you anything, like you're just a pilgrim on the trip, man. Like, there's no spots left. Like, I don't need you there. But he's like, Yeah, no, dude, I want to come, so he's coming.

SPEAKER_02: 1:54:47

You want to hear a funny story from Mass this weekend? Yeah. So we went um to our local novice ordo parish for the first time in over a year this Sunday. And um, and so we we had mass, and it turns out now once a month they do um they do the the ordinary in Latin. So that's that's good, that's an improvement. Um, so we go through mass. Uh and then after mass, they have a pancake pancake breakfast, so we decided to go down for that. And one of the people there mentioned um to us, you know, it's nice to see us again. And you know Maddie, you know, you you say he's just like you, he's over.

SPEAKER_03: 1:55:26

He's me. Like, no, wait, no, can I pause you for a second? For those of you who don't know, God cursed Rob with me for a son. You have no idea. I love that kid with all my heart.

SPEAKER_02: 1:55:38

So Maddie decided that it was a good idea to tell this person at our local novus ordo, who just was welcoming us there for the first time in a year, why we hadn't been there in over a year. About how how usually we go to the we go to mass in Duluth at the at the Latin Mass, which is two hours away, and it's a long car drive. And I don't like long car drives, but we go there, we go there because they actually they they treat they take it seriously there and they don't they don't treat Jesus in the Eucharist like a potato chip. He said this, but then we decided to come here because I don't like the long drive.

SPEAKER_03: 1:56:13

So we just came here a few blocks away, and oh my gosh, this kid he just says whatever is on his mind. I was like, Okay, Maddie, let's go get pancakes. Time to go get pancakes, Maddie. Oh my gosh, he's me. I told you guys he's me. This kid's awesome. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_02: 1:56:33

Oh, he better not choose Anthony as his confirmation name.

SPEAKER_03: 1:56:36

Oh, I hope to uh he needs to at this point, actually. Um, all right, wait.

SPEAKER_02: 1:56:43

Oh, you did not miss it. Hope you were right there.

SPEAKER_03: 1:56:47

Uh Chris, I'll look forward to so Scott Hahn's son actually follows me on Twitter now, and I'm like, Oh, we just did a show about your dad, and I sent them the show where we we rip into Gavin Ashington. But do you know why he follows? I never heard back from him.

SPEAKER_02: 1:57:00

Do you know why he follows you on Twitter?

SPEAKER_03: 1:57:03

He sees my tweets. Don't because of Chris, yeah, because of Chris. Okay, I wouldn't make sure he wanted he he he sees my tweets a lot. He he reached out to Chris and he was like, Oh, tell Anthony to follow me back. Um, and Chris is interviewing him, which I will definitely check out. And Chris is right, he says, At least I don't take myself as seriously as Eric McCabe did when you guys crashed out on Chris. I'm not crashing out on you because I dislike you, I am crashing out on you because I love you. Like, you don't understand if I did not like you, I would not even mention you. That's the deal, like that's how I like I would not even mention you, you wouldn't exist to me. I would treat you like I treat Sadie Bacante, and I don't interact with you at all. Like, my anything I tell you is advice to you because I like I all the guys that um check out our show, and uh like I want to see the next generation succeed. So it's like uh TLM Ryan, when he asked me to come on, he's like, dude, I know you're busy. I don't mean I'm like, dude, you're not a bother to me, like you're one of my favorite people in the world. Like, if you want me to come on, I'm gonna come on and hang out. Like, if there are guys with potential out there that are the next guys coming up to do it, I want to help. I know how hard it was for us to get going, so it's like it was very hard. It took us years to build up a platform and to build an audience and stuff. It's like, so if I can actually help other guys build an audience, I want to do that because there are still guys that I think are dicks to us that I'm like, I'll reach out to them and they pretend they don't know me. Yeah, it's like, who are you to pretend you don't know me? Like, you're in the Catholic world. How do you not know who I am? If you don't know who me and Rob are and you're in the Catholic world at this point, you're not paying attention, you're not doing your job right. I mean, I'm not trying to be that's not arrogance. It's like you guys are talking to a boomer audience. If you don't care what me and Rob are doing, you actually don't know how to talk to the to the next generation. Like you're not doing your job, you should know what's going on out there.

SPEAKER_02: 1:59:04

They want to know, they want you to name names. I mean, why not? We've we've named every other name tonight. He's probably just talking mostly like Michael Knowles.

SPEAKER_03: 1:59:15

Yeah, well, Michael Knowles knows who we are, Matt Frad knows who we are. Uh Matt Michael Matt knows who we are. Like, all these guys know who we are. To be fair.

SPEAKER_02: 1:59:30

I mean, Michael Matt knows who we are for sure now.

SPEAKER_03: 1:59:34

It honestly, it's like my son told me a story that a girl he knows messaged Shane Gillis uh and said, Hey Shane, I'm coming to one of your concerts. She she messed, she DM'd him on Instagram and said, Hey Shane, I'm coming to one of your shows. Is there any way you can get me backstage passes? And Shane was like, Yeah, here you go, and gave her backstage passes and like all this stuff because she messaged him on Instagram. So I sent Shane Gillis a DM on Instagram.

SPEAKER_02: 2:00:08

Let's see if he responded. What account did you send it from yours or the avoiding bat one? Mine, but I sent him still no reply.

SPEAKER_03: 2:00:18

Fuck him. You were getting a big one. Jim said she must be hot. Yeah, she was a hot girl. I gotta have a hot girl send him a DM. Maybe that'll work. Chris, no any screw shingle.

SPEAKER_02: 2:00:45

Oh man. Alright. This was not how I expected time to go. I did. Well, once the once the Elijah Schaefer stuff dropped, yeah, but not before that.

SPEAKER_03: 2:01:00

Hopefully Anthony knows that this is equal to the sarastock Elijah Schaefer stage. What is? I'm not sure what that means. No, but Chris. Chris says every woman is a zero to me except my wife. But Chris. Chris.

SPEAKER_02: 2:01:18

Chris. If you say Chris one more time. All right.

SPEAKER_03: 2:01:24

Sure. Somebody texted me about Chris. I was like, he's the biggest simp ever. You gotta stop, Chris. You have one wife. Why are you talking to other women? Stop talking to other women. You have one wife. The only woman you should ever talk to, or daughters. If you have wife and daughters, they're the only women you should talk to.

SPEAKER_02: 2:01:45

I mean, let's be honest. It's not even enjoyable talking to any other ones. I mean, you shouldn't shouldn't even like talking to your wife. They're annoying. I'm not gonna say that because hope is watching right now. And I do enjoy talking with her. I do. Yeah, my little girl. But outside of that, I don't care.

SPEAKER_03: 2:02:05

I'm just kidding. We love you, Chris. All right. All right. We're gonna wrap this up. We're gonna wrap this up.

SPEAKER_02: 2:02:12

And uh thank you all for tuning in. I want to know if we're tuning into Pelicans live stream tomorrow. I guess the bet the bigger question is are you having a round table instead?

SPEAKER_03: 2:02:21

Another round table I wasn't invited to, Rob. That's all I know. No, I definitely won't. They'll never invite me to a pelican round table. Nothing like bad mouthing their owner. Listen, honestly, you guys can release anything from this show, but not the pelican stuff. Like if you guys want to make clips of the local show, the pelican stuff, just I'm not ready to I'm not ready to not the Kyle stuff either, guys. Ah fuck Kyle. But that was me saying it. Make Rob look bad. Release the Kyle. Release the Kraken on Kyle. I don't really care at this point. Oh man.

unknown: 2:03:07

Whatever. All right.

SPEAKER_02: 2:03:08

Send me the clip and I'll post it to Pelican Social.

SPEAKER_03: 2:03:22

Oh man. Alright, let's end this. Let's end this. Before bad things happen. Yes, before it gets too bad. Alright, guys, we love you. We'll see you on Thursday. Oh, which one are we gonna do?

SPEAKER_02: 2:03:34

This one seems appropriate for tonight. You are recording too frequently. I'm not recording what are you talking about? It's not letting me end the stream.