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SPEAKER_03:

We can agree on that. We can agree on that. We can agree on that. I want to look like we can agree on that. Don't get something wrong. We can agree on that stuff. We can agree on that stuff. You know the last best we'll end with that. We can agree on that.

SPEAKER_01:

I just I want to know. Did Taffy purposefully make your supposed grandkid look like the Rizzler? Or did I just assume that would be the case?

SPEAKER_02:

First off, I look like I have Down syndrome in all of all of those clips. Like I legit look like I have Down syndrome. And I have to tell you, like, after actually speaking with Joel, I'm really happy we didn't start off with that intro.

SPEAKER_01:

He does, I mean, yeah, um he doesn't seem like the type that would he would just he would have sat there just quietly.

SPEAKER_02:

The thing is, like I was hoping for a conversation and it was a legit interview. Like I I was you know me, like I want to get somebody to loosen up and like he didn't give me a second to jump in.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't I think that was him loosened up. I don't know if he I don't know what he does for fun, dude.

SPEAKER_02:

He uh I first of I have to say it was a good interview. I genuinely like Joel. Like, don't I so everything I'm going to say in here has nothing to do with like whether I enjoy like I do like Joel. I think I think he's uh of the Protestants, he's probably my favorite of the Protestants, you know. Like I don't generally like Protestants, like they're just annoying, but I don't man, I I don't know if it's like I'm jaded from our show where it's like every other person seems boring to me.

SPEAKER_01:

Like everybody you aunt, every other person is boring from my son.

SPEAKER_02:

He first off, you guys don't even know. I FaceTime Rob's son yesterday if it's his birthday, and I just when I got off that call, I was just like, Rob, your son is me. Like you literally, God cursed you with Anthony as your son.

SPEAKER_01:

I got yeah, I got cursed with the uh an Anthony mini me that looks like a mini me.

SPEAKER_02:

Like so, so somebody's saying I'm simping for Joel. No, like I I I okay, we're gonna play a video tonight of a Catholic criticizing that conversation. Um and I'll say, like, I do think it's important that the guys who are actually speaking appropriately about feminism, race, and the Jews is an important thing to find common ground on because there's so few of us doing it. So I thought there was I thought there was an avenue for a conversation there, and that's why I asked Joel to come on. But I just I I don't know how these guys have such commanding audiences because I I just he they're just a little like boring.

SPEAKER_01:

Do do Calvinists just not know how to have fun?

SPEAKER_02:

I don't know if that like I don't know, man. Like, I was hoping to like it got a little weird when I started bringing up typology because I have no idea what his scriptural interpretation on anything is. Like, I don't know, you know. Um, but I do think the last question was probably the highlight of the interview where I asked him, like, why have you decided to have conversations with Catholics? And he was like, Well, look, like it's about knowing what time it is, right? Like, if you want to be a Protestant and LARP as if your biggest enemy is the Catholics, like you're you're you're faking it, like we're literally gonna have the new Bolsheviks coming to murder us in a couple years. So, like the the real in reality, Protestants are not our biggest enemy. Like, it's fun to troll them on Twitter, it's fun to like mess around, but like I you think taco talks is my biggest enemy. Like, I don't even the kid is just a porn addict, like, whatever. I don't really care about this kid. I I'll troll them, but they're not in any means like they're not in any real sense our enemy, they're just there. In reality, the enemy is the open borders crisis we are dealing with, and Muslim hordes coming in, and you know, uh Hindus coming in. That's actually like the biggest threat we face as a nation. Feminism indoctrinating our children, like that is really what I see as our biggest issue that we're facing right now. So I I don't, you know, we're gonna we're going to play a video of a of a Catholic who saw that video and critiqued it because it's so absurd. When you when you see what other Catholics think of this, you'll realize, like, yeah, we actually have more common ground with a guy like Joel Webin than we do our fellow Catholics who profess the same faith as us, go to the same mass as us.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, look at it, every one, you know, all the supposed Catholics, you know, on the other side of the the recent stuff in Minneapolis. And I'm not even talking Michael Matt. Michael Matt's a weird third way. I'm talking like the legit left cast, right? They they say the same creed as us at mass. Yeah, they would rather defend Bolsheviks and Maoists than can I ask you something about Michael Matt?

SPEAKER_02:

Did like have have you actually watched any of his videos? Are you just going to never watch a video? You were going by his tweets, right?

SPEAKER_01:

Never seen a video of him ever.

SPEAKER_02:

There's some things I do agree with him on. I don't I I mean his tweets are awful and ridiculous and whatever. Terrible. They're so bad. Um, and he's so out of touch. Uh, there's a couple of things in his videos I agree with, in that I don't know, man. I feel like this whole thing, I think we're just being played. Like, there's such an aspect of us just being played right now, and then even Trump coming down and like backing down on all this. I'm just like, I like I want to believe Trump is the guy we want him to be.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't think he is, but that I you know, like my my stance on what's been going on isn't that isn't to support Trump or his administration, yeah. It's to support the actions I feel are necessary for us to save our nation.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, yeah. So that so that's the thing. It's like I'm a hundred percent behind if we're actually getting these people out and we're doing that. I just don't think that's what's happening.

SPEAKER_01:

Like, I I or even if we're making uh enough of a stir to where we can actually come down on the other side, then I'm okay with that too.

SPEAKER_02:

So you you would you had said, um man, what did you say to me? Uh you were like Trump Trump might be trying to root out like what's going on in Minneapolis because that's kind of like the heart of like the the the rot, right?

SPEAKER_01:

Um not the not not the heart of it. I mean, because you have you have states with obviously worse illegal immigration, you have states even with worse fraud. You know, we just don't know it for sure yet. But like Minneapolis and Minnesota has been at like I don't know, the weird, like kind of well, I suppose you you said heart. I suppose kind of like the weird heart of things where you have Walls somehow becomes a vice president nominee, even though he was a nothing and nobody, right? Um at the same time, you have all this Somali fraud going on and and uh hundreds of millions of dollars leaving the US through the Minneapolis airport to go back to Somalia. Um you know, you have Walls also has connections to the Communist Party in China. Uh, there is legitimate evidence that he might have actually helped um sneak out plans for US military tech to China while he was in the National Guard. Um, so Walls in like in like in well, then you have the weird political assassinations earlier this year. I mean, there's just so much that's all Yeah, dude, there really is, you know, and I don't know why it's all happening here. Uh it's weird, but um it's here's here's what I'm getting at.

SPEAKER_02:

Like, if the like the things you're saying like are good, like I'm on board with that, I just still think this whole thing is a charade. Like I can't get past that. Like, I can't get past thinking this whole thing is not what we see, and it's just because I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01:

What do you mean by this whole thing, though? Because you recognize the problems, the same problems I do, yeah, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02:

And I and I think they need to be rooted out the same way you do. I just think that um all the people who are like backing Trump in this are backing an ideal that isn't actually behind Trump.

SPEAKER_01:

Like it's not actually Trump's motivation in it, where we're I mean yeah, if you're talking like the elites that back him, like Elon and Peter Thielen and and all those folks, yeah, they they don't their motivations isn't to have um you know an America that is legitimately American just because they feel that's the right thing. Yeah. You know, they they they are obviously working it for their what they feel is their own good. Um you know, but I think I think you might have some of these elites who who recognize that you know that that what's best for them is you know a s a strong America, you know, and that they're on the opposite. They they are fighting against someone like Soros. I hope, I hope, I hope, I hope. You know, that doesn't that doesn't mean what Elon wants is what's you know Elon's You know, Elon's obviously not a trad Catholic or or anywhere even close to that. But what he wants in the short term might be what we want in the short term too.

SPEAKER_02:

Can I can I give you an example? Okay, so James Fishback is running for governor in Florida, right? Yeah. Um, I I asked Rob today, I said, Hey, should we try and get this guy on? Because uh when I went down to Tampa, there were a few people who said to me they were like, uh that we're running like a pack for him, we're gonna have him come and speak. Like, I I have a few people who might be able to get us James Fishback. While I'm at that same conference, I had other people come up to me and they're like, Oh, you're falling for the James Fishback stuff? Like, this guy is so fake, like he is literally just Well, he's a politician, but he was not just that, like the way he came up is like this is APAC all the way. Like, this is this guy's a total fabrication. So it's like I am so at a point where I'm just like, like, part of me here's the things this guy, James Fishback, is saying, and I'm like, oh, this is awesome! Like, I think he'd be an awesome guy to interview, and then the other part is like this thing is totally kayfabe and it's just a total fabrication, and they're just trying to make another guy for you to get your hopes up about, and it's just gonna be another psyop that they send out. I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm just if we allow ourselves to be paralyzed by the fear of everything being some psy-op, yeah, then we have been psy-oped into losing. Yeah, like yeah, dude. I I verysturfed, that doesn't mean we can we cannot use it for our own ends.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, no, I I very much count on you balancing me out on a lot of stuff. Like, uh if I if I didn't have these conversations with you, I'd probably fall into certain ways of thinking, and it's it's good that I have that balance in because man, it's just some so much of the stuff.

SPEAKER_01:

If you look at Michael Matt, and like I said, I haven't watched his videos, but so I might be completely wrong here, but I'm gonna go for it anyways. You look at Michael Madd, he doesn't offer uh like any solutions in his third way, yeah. No, there's no solutions there. There's just oh no, this is fake, and that's brother, and we can't brother.

SPEAKER_02:

No, his thing he's like about big brother, and it's like I yeah, I'm not I'm not even on that. Like, I'm not even like you listen to the libertarians, they're like, Oh, yeah, like I don't care.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't I'm willing to um how are you gonna stamp out like a bullshit uprising if you do not enable the government to have more power than it has now?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, no, no, no, I'm totally fine with all that. I my my actual fear is that this is all just a way to get us into a civil conflict in America, and that worries me. Like a civil conflict in America worries me.

SPEAKER_01:

I'd rather have that civil conflict now than the then them come to power in three years and have that conflict start when they have the institutions of power.

SPEAKER_02:

But they still do hold institutional power. Like we may have the presidency, but like they have media, they I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_01:

This is all just right, but uh they'll have even more than in a few years, like and I'm not saying we should I'm not I'm not calling for any action or violence or anything like that, clearly, but uh I don't know. I just know that if if they get power back, like it gets significantly worse for us.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, dude, I just think we're living through some wild ass times, dude. Before uh I don't mean to switch topics like this. Um, so my in-laws are over tonight. And um they're not watching, are they? No, especially locals. They're upstairs right now with my family, though. So I asked Rob, like, Rob, come in 10 minutes early because I want to talk to you about a few things. And I got so wrapped up in the conversation I was having with my in-laws that I looked at my watch, I'm like, holy crap, Rob's probably sitting there waiting for me. He was so um the topic of like religion came up, and um my my father-in-law was like, Yeah, but like you're Catholic because you were raised Catholic, you know, but like and my daughter was there too, and uh she was like, Yeah, but dad, do you think if like your mom was like a devout Jew and raised you? I was like, How dare you something so file as to say my mother would have been a devout Jew? No, I'm just so my first of all I'm like a few glasses of wine in right now, but um, so I got into explaining to my in-laws like why I'm Catholic, and I started taking it to like the the the trip to Italy and castles and like the you know, like castles to the the king, the the kingdom of heaven colonizing earth and all this stuff, and then bringing it down to like I I don't think I'd be the man I was today, um, if it wasn't for God intervening in my life and me seeing that I will be judged because God created us in his image, that image is a father and a son, and like the the family is that image, so I'm going to be judged based on the kind of father and husband I am, right? Um, and he was kind of just like mesmerized listening to me, like it like it was really dude. I'm so keep my in-laws in your prayers, man, because I'm like really, really hopeful that I might be able to say something to make them more because my father-in-law is Catholic. Like you ever see if they want to go on the pilgrimage? My mother-in-law wants to go. My father-in-law is like, I don't think I could do that with all those people like that. You know, he's like, he knows, but I think if I like told him, like, no, you're coming, like, they'd come. But I I'm afraid to do it on the first one. Um, I think I think I might take like if we do another one, I might take them on the next one or something. Like, I want to I want to see how this one goes because like this is my first one essentially, and I don't know how much of my time is going to be given to people. I like, yeah, I just have no idea. Like, but so I didn't want to drag them along for this one, but man, I'm just so hopeful that my in-laws will like my father-in-law just needs to go to confession. My mother-in-law needs to go through RCIA. So, like, to bring them on a trip like that might actually be the thing. Because I'm gonna have a priest there. It's like it's like what you know, that might be the thing. I'll there's no room left. The thing's sold out, so I'm not even promoting it anymore. Like, uh that's it. I am uh I was telling Rob, like, I cannot believe how quickly this sold out. So, like, we actually have we have the ability to do something together bigger, like because we we limited it to one bus on this one. But if me and Rob go together, we could do two buses because Rob will handle one group and I'll handle the other. So it'll it'll be something we we look into, like what we do going forward. Um, I'm just anytime like my in-laws talk about the faith. Um I I'm always walking on eggshells and like super careful about how I say it because I never want them to feel like because it came up that my father-in-law became Lutheran because my mother-in-law was Lutheran, and uh Nicole became Catholic because I was Catholic, and I was like, Yeah, and they were like, Well, you they asked me like you weren't taking your fate that seriously back then, right? I said, No, so there was a couple of things my mom said to me that uh like showed me as a kid. Like, my mom always showed me Eucharistic miracles, Mary and apparitions, and you know, incorruptible saints and stuff. It was enough to make me say, like, I need I need to remain Catholic, and not just that, like you heard that here, folks.

SPEAKER_01:

Our Lady of Bayside made Anthony Catholic.

SPEAKER_02:

It was enough for me to know um if I'm going to pass the faith on to my kids, like I'm not passing Lutheranism on to them, I'm going to pass Catholicism on to them. And I I basically was just telling them, like, it did start out that way, but then the more I dug into it, and then I actually got into explaining to them like my dad was my dad was like, my father in law was like, Yeah, but Jesus was a Jew. I was like, Oh, we're gonna go here.

SPEAKER_04:

Like, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02:

Like, okay, we gotta talk about this, and the other day.

SPEAKER_01:

Mom, my mom goes, What even is a Jew? I'm like, Oh mom, I don't have enough time for you today.

SPEAKER_02:

What is a Jew? Like, what is a Jew? Like, really?

SPEAKER_01:

Good question, mom.

SPEAKER_02:

That was another interesting thing about the Joel Webbin conversation, right? Like, I he it all of his criticisms of Jews were political. Like they were all in the natural political sense. And I and I was like, all right, but it was hard for me to figure out where to go with that conversation because I want to unload I want to unload the things we've talked about on here. And I don't know how much of that works, you know. Like I don't know how much of that is going to because he limited me. First off, I wanted to do an hour on YouTube and then an hour on locals. Like that, that was my original plan. I had I had a bunch of places I wanted to go with that conversation. And he, as we get on, he goes, Oh, by the way, I only have an hour. Now, when people say that to you, there's two possibilities. One is they actually only have an hour, and the other is they've been in other awkward interviews, and they're like, Let me just tell this guy I have an hour. So I don't get roped up in an interview for more than an hour. So I said, Well, Joel, do you have like a hard out? Or like because I said, Because like if the conversation is going good, like I, you know, he's like, Oh, I'd like to keep it at an hour. I was like, Okay. So it was it was basically just like it was the whole thing, it was just a Joel Webbin monologue. And somebody had said to me before I went on, they're like, I hope you get an I hope you get a chance to get a word in. And I was like, I'd never have a problem getting a word in, but like I had a hard time getting a word in. Because I was like very conscious of not talking over him, and he would I'd ask him a question, he would spend 10-15 minutes answering the question. No, bullshit. I want to know what that's like. No, no, no, no, no, no. Because you are now at a point where if I'm talking over you, you go, no, no, it's okay. I didn't want to finish my story. Like, you'll do something like that, which is probably taking four years, which is 100% me wearing off on you, by the way. Oh that's that's you and Matt Gaspers not saying anything, and we go, good talk, guys. Good talk. Like, that's your version of that. Is you going, no, it's all right, Ann. I wasn't gonna finish a point or anything, just talk right over me. Um, it is it is funny how these little things have shaped the way this show progresses, but yeah, I didn't know what to do when he would just be rambling on it. He was and I was like, I want to jump in here, I want to jump in here, you know. Um and complaining about people talking over him. He wasn't talking over me. That's the thing. I uh okay, so before the interview, I I had spoken to Joel on the phone, and Joel is like Brian Holdsworth. In that, like when you talk to Brian Holdsworth, Brian takes a minute to like process hear what you said, and then he takes like three or four seconds to process it, and then answer.

SPEAKER_01:

I know it's just unbelievable that someone actually thinking about what they're gonna say, it's just crazy, isn't it? Instead of just blurting out whatever the hell is on their mind, right?

SPEAKER_02:

So before the interview, I was very conscious of that, and I said, Okay, I don't want to speak over him. He takes a second or two, like from the conversation I had with him on the phone, he takes a second or two, and I and I'm also like I want to make sure avenues for future interviews are open, right? Like, like you, like I didn't want to just do what I do normally and have him go, oh my gosh, man, this guy was just too much. So I wanted to make sure I handled it right, but I it didn't it didn't feel like a natural conversation to me, it felt very much like an interview, and I'm not a fan of interviews or debates or things like that. I would rather a free-flowing back and forth conversation, so I don't know, maybe a second it wasn't as bad as you think it was. I'm overanalyzing it.

SPEAKER_01:

I listened to the whole thing, it was it was fun. I mean, no, it wasn't a conversation like between you and me, but well, the interracial marriage stuff.

SPEAKER_02:

It's the interracial marriage stuff. First off, okay, so oh, I gotta give you guys this one. The the you know that Protestant kid that Keith Nestor set me up with, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Uh the Dominic Dominic, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, the kid Dominic. So he's um all right, so uh Dominic's a Protestant kid, he lives on Long Island. He called into Keith Nestor's show, and Keith just gave him my number, and he was like, Hey, I know another uh you know Catholic guy on Long Island. So the kid texted me uh yesterday, the night before the night before yesterday, and he goes, Hey, um my uh he's 17. He goes, My dad won't let me go to mass with you unless it's not interfering with Sunday church with the family, and and I'm still under his roof, and until I graduate, that's going to be the case.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, he goes, he goes, I'm I'm under his roof, I'm 17, and until I graduate, I have to actually follow this. He goes, but I would love to still like like go out to lunch with you or something.

SPEAKER_01:

So um you should have told him you're like you know, like, well, good thing Catholicism has a lot of holy days, they don't play it on Sundays.

SPEAKER_02:

It's actually not a not a bad idea. So I said, So I said, Look, I'm going away this weekend. Uh I'm going away Friday, but I'll be home Saturday if you want to grab lunch together. He goes, and I said, I'm interviewing Joel Webbin on tomorrow. So the day before yes, I go, I'm interviewing Joel Webin tomorrow. And he and he launches into this whole thing. He's like, uh, he's like, Oh, did you see his debate with Ruslan? I said, Yeah, he goes, um, he goes, I, you know, basically what I said to Joel was that whole debate was off because they were trying to argue it from scripture, like they're they're using sola scriptura to argue like about interracial marriage, and it's a very much a common sense conversation. Like, this is not this has nothing to do with scripture or God's natural law, natural, you know, common good, all of that sort of stuff.

SPEAKER_01:

So nothing could Catholicism a thousand years to develop.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, it's nothing to do with God's plan. Like, I mean, it might, but that's not like that's not what this is about. And and a few people brought up a good point about like the Spanish coming in and forming mestizo culture with the Aztecs, things like that. That's that's all correct and good, and like as Catholics, we would actually say, like, the dividing wall of hostility comes down through Christ, and you can intermarry. That's like kind of the point of it, but there's a natural common sense thing. So, this kid, this Protestant kid goes, Yeah, I think Bishop Williamson actually said, uh, interracial marriage is not a sin against God, but it may be a sin against common sense. And I was like, That is gold. Holy cow, I never heard Williamson say that. And I brought it to the freaking interview.

SPEAKER_01:

The Protestant kid the Protestant kid told me about the Williamson quote.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh my gosh, brilliant quote, man. Now, like I've talked about interracial marriage a bit on this show, so it seemed like I was defending Joel's position on that. I don't actually have like a settled position on it. It's something I'm very much trying to understand a bit myself. I don't think interracial marriage can be a blanket statement. I think it's very different for like uh a Filipino and a white to marry than it is for a black person and a white person to marry. Like, I just think there's like you're talking about American black culture and American white culture, and then you're dealing with like or something like a South American Catholic culture and a and a white Catholic. Like, I just think there's nuance to that conversation. I don't I don't have like a blanket condemnation of it or endorsement of it. It's it's a very nuance, and I think each individual case is its own thing.

SPEAKER_01:

And I think we're I mean, we're at a place and point in in time and space, you know, here in America where we are now, what when we are now, we're like we're uh the it's one of the downsides to the church kind of jettison jettisoning jettisoning uh scholasticism is like this whole new notion of race in the sense of like white versus black really could only have ever come about in in a place like America now. You know what I mean? Because because America was such uh I hate the term, but uh in a sense a melting pot for people of Europe, yeah, like in America now, not even America 100 years ago. I mean no, I'm talking about America 100 years ago. You have all the all the nations of Europe coming and mixing, whereas in Europe they were they were separate peoples. Now you have all these separate peoples mixing into a you know a new white race, in a sense, you know what I mean? Like so, like the church's ideas and all this stuff really was based on on nationality in the sense of nations of peoples, um, not so much on the you know some racial aspect of it. So it's it's weird because we're kind of it's all new, you know, it's all new to us.

SPEAKER_02:

So yeah, so my opinion on it is very nuanced, and but I do still think it's a it's uh it's a situation where you like you can't go to scripture for this. This is not a scriptural thing, like it's just not, it's more an issue of like are it's prudence, is prudence, and like is your culture so different from your spouse's that when you come together, like there becomes an issue there, right? Where you like the the wife has to downplay her culture or the husband has to downplay his culture, and then like where do the kids' identities come in? Because one person actually chimed in in the conversation, they were like, Yeah, like you know, I had a uh uh an Asian mother and a whatever father, and like I don't have a people to defend because I don't have a people because I I don't, you know what I mean? So, like there are identity issues that come into this, and I think each case does need to be measured. And I think that Ruslan going into that debate is it was just a situation that was way too close to him. Like, he Ruslan is Armenian and he has a black wife, and he's taking everything Joel's saying as a public, like as a personal attack against him, and he's unable to take himself out of the situation and go, yeah, there might be some issues here. So people were jumping in in the comment section and like angry at me for that, but it's it was just like I said, it wasn't this isn't an issue where you could go to scripture and go, God condemns this or God is for this. It's none of those things, it's really a prudential matter, and it is a confusing situation, especially now because you could have uh a Filipino kid who grew up in the same town as this Italian girl, and they grew up in the same town together, like and they're very much the same culture. It's I don't know, it's just not it's just not an easy question to answer. So I'm I'm open to hearing arguments from both from both sides, and I haven't come down on an issue. I haven't come down on one side of the issue on that. I know everybody wants you to be this based white supremacist. I'm just you know, I'm Italian and I'm barely white as it is, so I don't know what you guys like. I thank God my wife didn't think like that. Uh uh, I'm okay. So uh K Luke says, I married an immigrant that came to America when she was seven, she was raised Catholic, and we relate on that, but come from different backgrounds. It is for sure a lot to take into consideration, but I can 100% see why you should be prudent about it. All that being said, I'm really happy with who I married and who uh and and wouldn't change a thing. That's it. That's all I'm saying. Like, like uh, and it's not just a matter of oh, they fell in love, like there are other things that come into play, and I think each uh each couple has to take the I just don't think they should take it flippantly and just go, well, no, we don't see color. No, they should be serious about it and say, is this going, you know, take it as a very uh a very deep matter to discuss and be prudential about. That's all. Yeah. Um yeah, we uh we were gonna jump on yesterday and do this, and uh I have to I actually have to jump off you got 20 minutes. I have 20 minutes and I have to I'm going on with uh TLM Ryan after this, but I wanted to just jump on with you guys and touch base about the uh about the Joel Webin interview and then just uh so what do what are we doing tomorrow? We don't have a plan for tomorrow yet either, right?

SPEAKER_01:

No, do we wanna go through this video?

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, let's go. Let's that's exactly what we should do. So this is this is a Catholic, his name is what Catholic Samurai or something? Something like that. So this guy watched the Joel Webin interview, and this is his take. And you guys have to see how interesting. The channel is Joshua Slusher, and he says two versions of America, and I would say two versions of Catholicism.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, see, I made it about 20 seconds into the clip before I had to stop it and couldn't take it anymore. It's pretty enraging.

SPEAKER_00:

I recently watched a certain pastor get on a um certain evangelical pastor get on a Catholic podcast and start talking about immigration.

SPEAKER_01:

First off, just have the balls to name people. I mean, come on.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, you posted your link in our chat, but then you won't say our show name on your on your show. As if you get more than 15 views on your episodes, anyway. Which is why I delete I deleted the link and I was gonna share it with all of our 30 views of this, and he's like worried about saying our name because he might promote us.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, interracial marriage and all sorts of other things. He's out of breath already. Um and uh just wanted to address, you know, he started to go off on a comparison, a contrasting the uh Aztecs and the Spanish uh and that uh horrible conquering and uh the immigration now, and that we I in his comments I asked him, oh wait, hold on, do you feel like the the the conquest of the Aztecs was a bad thing?

SPEAKER_01:

Can you bring up his comments?

SPEAKER_02:

Can we see the comments on the screen? Let's see his comments.

SPEAKER_01:

They're small. So I said, wait, do you think the conquest of the Aztecs was a terrible thing? And he said, I think terrible and glorious things coexist in every moment of history. God works all things to his glory for those who love him. So, yes, many terrible things happen that were work for his glory. Many glorious things happened, like the birth of a new culture and a immaculate appearance of our lady. I just replied, Well, that's an ifty way of getting out of ever having to make a judgment of an historical event. He deleted my comment, it looks like.

SPEAKER_02:

No, it's up there. I don't know, it's up there. I said I just like thank you in advance for giving us content to make fun of tonight. He said, looking forward to it.

SPEAKER_01:

No, you're not, because you it's on locals.

SPEAKER_00:

They are actually the ones being conquered. Apparently, America is under attack. Yeah, huh. See, I thought we were trying to attack people right now. No, but it's actually us who are under attack.

SPEAKER_02:

Dude, if you don't see what's happening right now as an invasion, you're insane. Like we are being invaded by foreigners right now. And if you don't see that as a judgment by God, and like I don't know, man, what world do you live in? All right, god, whatever.

SPEAKER_00:

See, we're being conquered by the Muslims and the Hindus and the Jews and anybody from any pagan nation that wants to come in and destroy all of our values. Yep. Yeah, yeah. But to be a conqueror, don't you have to have the mindset of a conqueror? What the hell do you think Muslims have? And I guarantee you that the vast majority of people that are trying to come to this country have no mindset of the sort.

SPEAKER_01:

That's why they wave their own flags at protest, right?

SPEAKER_00:

We're in a battle right now. It's not just a political battle. This is a spiritual battle. This is a moral battle. This is a religious battle.

SPEAKER_01:

I bet if you asked him if the rosary was a spiritual weapon, he would be offended at that statement.

SPEAKER_02:

I have so much to say. Continue on because there's something he's gonna say that I want to jump on. And are we going to let the soul of America be taken by those who say not a guy that holds the door open for his wife's boyfriend?

SPEAKER_00:

All right, sorry, I had to read that one. Not everybody's welcome. Maybe there's a certain threshold you have to meet, um, certain rules you have to follow to be here.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh my god, people have to follow rules in a society that's mind-blowing. Imagine that. I hate this guy.

SPEAKER_02:

What is his channel name? We I want everybody to invade his comments.

SPEAKER_01:

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_02:

Let him die in it and just No, guys, come on. Go and go and jump on this guy. What's his channel name? Give him some love. Let's let's treat this guy like the the uh the the Catholic lady that we always what do you what do you what do you think this is? What did she say? Play the clip. Uh who do you think you are?

SPEAKER_00:

Who are you? Who do you think you are? That you're just too good for Jesus.

SPEAKER_01:

You're just too good for Jesus. Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna put the link to this in the what's his name?

SPEAKER_02:

It's it's uh Joshua Joshua Slusher. Joshua Slusher. Slusher, you look like a slusher.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, and everyone remember to mention that Michael Lofton sent you to comment on his channel. Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_02:

This is probably the last, the last, the last guy that went after avoiding Babylon. It did not turn out well for him.

SPEAKER_01:

Is he is he still around? Lofton, yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, he's criticizing Pope Leo. It's pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_01:

Such a weird timeline, we're in, man. Yeah, we are.

SPEAKER_00:

Doesn't matter what situation you're coming from, that you're trying to escape something worse. And then we're gonna put a bunch of rules and regulations on you in order for you to even get to safety in the first place.

SPEAKER_01:

That's literally how the world has always worked.

SPEAKER_00:

So do we want an evil corrupted soul that's anti-Christian? Or do we want the soul the the founder's charism? The true founder's charism. Shut up. What founders? The charism that the founders put into the constitution for religious freedom. True religion. Oh no, no, this is the part. This is the part.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Does this guy think a bunch of Masonic deists had a character? This is the point.

SPEAKER_02:

This is the part. Watch where he goes with this.

SPEAKER_00:

Religious freedom, not interdenominational religious freedom, as these guys tried to start to say that America is not built on religious freedom for all religions, just for different Christian sects.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't even think it should have that.

SPEAKER_02:

That's not what I said. First off, I said Catholicism has never actually endorsed religious freedom. Like this is actually one of the biggest contentions between the SSPX and the documents of Vatican II, because religious freedom is problematic. And it it's one thing to say, okay, you have the religious freedom to be separated from church and state, so that the church doesn't have or the state doesn't have a you know a state-funded church like Anglicanism or something like that. But it's another thing to allow Muslims and Jews to actually hold political power, so that this is why we have things like abortion in the const like uh in state constitutions at this point. Things like that are because you allowed non-Christians to elected government. And it it you what you get is people who no longer serve Christ as king. Like when you had religious freedom in the founder sense, the founders were like, okay, we don't want a state-run religion, so we want religious freedom. They never envisioned Muslims and Hindus coming here. No, that's not at all what they envisioned. They were just like, hey, we don't want a government in lockstep with a specific church that is ruling over the people.

SPEAKER_01:

So religious freedom they didn't even allow Catholics in political office for a long time.

SPEAKER_02:

So let's not pretend they ever wanted a Muslim, but at least the Protestants still gave lip service to Christ the King. And the the you know, when they would get to political office before like modern liberal insanity, it was, you know, we were they still uh were subject to the natural law up until recently. Now they're no longer subject to natural law, and that's because religious freedom is so insane. And it's like if you don't see that, it just played out before your eyes. You I mean, I don't know what you guys are watching.

SPEAKER_00:

It's indefensible. Is that the version of America that we want?

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00:

Is that what we want our American soul to look like? Or would we rather our American soul look like the founder's true charism, not what they are trying to manipulate it? Holy shit turn it into a caricature of its glorious hold on, whoa, whoa, whoa.

SPEAKER_01:

How did he just say that word? We gotta listen to that again.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, he's a care cat caricature, right? Oh, I should have talked up, you freaking idiot. I'll punch you in your face. A caricature, caricature.

SPEAKER_01:

Now, dude, I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt because I thought the word um amethyst was pronounced a metheist for a long time until I met my wife and she corrected me.

SPEAKER_02:

I I'm going to make a loop of this guy saying caricature over caricature.

SPEAKER_01:

Caricature, caricature, happened to be a caricature, cares.

SPEAKER_02:

If you can't say caricature, you have no business giving public commentary, buddy.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh my gosh. If it's glorious, his AI script. This guy is a thing. I hope he doesn't get sponsored by requisition. I did I as soon as I saw that, I knew it was Dom before I even looked at the name. Come on, guys.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, I got five minutes.

SPEAKER_00:

Let's go.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Reality. Because the other version of America is the version that's engraved on our Statue of Liberty.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh my gosh. He's about to read the poem on the Statue of Liberty. I'm not listening to that BS. No, this guy sucks. Go get him an earful, guys. Go give him an earful. That guy is terrible. He was terrible. What an awful, awful person he is. I'd rather talk to Joel Webbin than that guy any day of the week. I gotta be honest. He's a caricature. The poem is written by a Jew. Give me your hungry, you're weak, you're tired. Shut up, stupid. We don't want any of those people. Leave them back in their own countries. Yeah. Sag your liberty was more than 125 years later, after the declaration of independence. It was given to us by the French because the French wanted our country to be rotted from the core. I quoted Anthony in this comment. Stop it. It's gay.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, unfortunately, that comment probably won't ever show up on YouTube.

SPEAKER_02:

Uh my wife is a good idea. YouTube bottle sensor will new things. That is borderline. No, I like the pork chops. Pork chops are good. Portuguese are all right. I work with a bunch of them, they're good people. Uh who do you think you are? You think you're better than Jesus? You think you're better than Jesus? Who do you think you are?

SPEAKER_01:

Who do you think you are?

SPEAKER_02:

All right. So here's the deal. I'm going on pre-conciliar radio right now, uh, with TLM Ryan, who's been on our show. He's a good kid. We want to promote his show. So all of you who want to see the show continue, I will be on with TLM Ryan in about five minutes. Preconcilial radio. Pre-conciliar radio. Rob and I will be back on tomorrow. Uh and then on Friday for me. And then, yeah, there's going to be uh a uh an episode with you and Adrian on Friday on Guns and Rosaries.

SPEAKER_01:

On last Friday's show, I made the mistake of we we were talking whether we're gonna do it Monday or Friday. Like, well, we can do it Friday, unless something happens over the weekend again.

SPEAKER_02:

And of course, something did, but um uh can I jump on with you guys one night? Of course. All right, maybe I'll uh let me see what's going on. Maybe maybe maybe Friday night. I'll jump on with you guys. Come hang.

SPEAKER_01:

Sounds good.

SPEAKER_02:

All right. Um, all right, guys. I will see you in five minutes with TLM Ryan on Pre-Concilial Radio. Look it up on YouTube, Pre-Conciliar Radio, and the conversation will continue. And Rob and I'll be on tomorrow night, and then uh maybe I'll jump on with Robin Adrian for Friday night.

SPEAKER_04:

Cool.

SPEAKER_02:

All right, how do you think?

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