Stay and Save Your Parish or Cut Your Losses? (Full LOCALS Version)

We discuss two recent articles: one arguing that you should stay at a bad Catholic parish and fight for it, and the other arguing against that.  What will Anthony and Rob decide? Will they agree? Or not?

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Chapters

• 0:51 Risky Intros And Guest Boundaries
• 3:12 Weather, Schedules, And Upcoming Guests
• 8:40 Sponsor Boom And Ad Strategy
• 15:55 Kicking Off The Main Topic
• 18:20 The “Church Hopping” Debate
• 29:10 Vocations, Seminaries, And Liturgy Strain
• 42:30 Parenting At Mass And Parish Culture
• 54:20 Locals Content And Behind-The-Scenes
• 1:02:20 The Pelican Platform Autopsy
• 1:23:10 Networking, Conferences, And Priest Life
• 1:37:40 Immigration, Cities, And Media Narratives
• 1:57:00 Surrogacy, Citizenship, And Policy Angles

Transcript

SPEAKER_06: 0:51

If you want to watch the anti-Semitic intro, you're gonna have to pay up and join locals.

SPEAKER_04: 1:05

Dude, what's crazy is the guy at the end looks like my Uncle Anthony, like a lot. He looks like really like my Uncle Anthony. Um, okay, so there have I have to explain a little bit. Like, okay, so here's the thing like I don't care what the intro is if it's just me and Rob, right? Like, I don't care, but when you have a guest on who's like a professor at a university, I was just like, dude, I don't know if that's a good idea. And so if Fred hadn't already canceled them, he would have canceled them for that. Well, Daniel had messaged me and he went, Hey, I have some interviews coming up, and they're going to basically like like look over my social media history. So I just want to give you a heads up. I'm not going to put your show in the bio because I don't want anybody coming across that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:57

No, he he he said, Um, I I uh I'm gonna delete the tweet I was tagged in. That's what he said.

SPEAKER_04: 2:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I just went, Oh my gosh, that's so bad. Like, I because I wasn't even thinking about who he's going to have on, I was more thinking, like, what if one of his students saw it and like decided to give make a problem for him? I think it's safe to say that an intro is never a good idea.

SPEAKER_02: 2:21

So, yeah, so this is we have decided that yes, so this is kind of like this guy.

SPEAKER_04: 2:26

We have to have a talk with Taffy. Like, all right, so we're gonna have to have like if we have a guest on, there's two things we have to do. We could eat like when we had Taylor on, we actually ran Taffy's intro by Taylor before he came on. He he loved that, and Taylor was like, Oh, this is awesome, play it, you know. Um, so if Taffy has something that he thinks would be good for the guest, I just gotta run it by them beforehand and make sure they're okay with it. Because I mean, I don't I look, I don't care, I can't get canceled from anything, but Robin Blackface might not be the greatest thing for his Baptist bosses either, you know.

SPEAKER_02: 2:59

Like, like that's probably probably a little bit, and I mentioned it that night. I I did not watch the whole thing prior to airing it. That's that's my bad.

SPEAKER_04: 3:11

So so that's kind of where we're at. It's like, all right, if we have a guest, we're going to either run the intro by them and make sure they're cool with it first, or we'll just do like a generic intro and there's a guest. There's a there's a bunch of um things coming up, also. So I'm basically gonna be laid off all week next week. Uh, we're getting, I think most most of America is getting clobbered with this storm, right? Like, I mean, it's pretty much the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02: 3:35

We're not gonna get any storm, it's just gonna be uh like negative 40 real temp when I wake up tomorrow and negative 60 wind chill.

SPEAKER_04: 3:45

So, like the whole eastern seaboard is getting either a foot of snow or ice or something. It's the Hindi Zionism that'll get rock fired. He's not wrong. So Bobby's getting like 20 inches, I'm getting like 10 to 16 inches. Um, it's going to be it's going to be brutal. So, and then it's gonna drop down into like 18 degrees or 16 degrees. That snow's not going anywhere. So, I'm gonna be off all week next week. You're about 16 degrees. Are you joking me? I'm not complaining about it, it's just we're gonna get shut down at work. So I I reached out to Joel Webbin. Um and I wanted to get him on Twitter. Talk about someone fine with the blackface. We're gonna I hope I hope Taffy makes an intro for Joel Webbin. We'll see, we'll see if he comes up with something good. Um, I'll send it to Joel ahead of time. But um, I actually I reached out to Joel a couple months back and he didn't respond to me. So I shot him a message uh last night and I said, Hey, I know you blew me off on the last message I sent you, but I know you just lost Patreon and you got a new book. I said, if you want to plug your book and plug your new platform, I said, you know, we'd love to have you. And uh he messaged me back like right away and he was like, Yeah, definitely, I would love to. So I don't I don't know what he's come across of ours. I don't know if um I have no idea what he's seen of ours. I don't know what he knows, but uh he sent me his phone number and I had like a quick like five, 10 minute conversation with him today. And uh he said, uh he said, Look, I I'd prefer it if we didn't do it in the evening because he kind of does his thing during the day and then he wants to spend time. He's got five kids, he wants to be home with his family. So I said, I'll be off next week if you want to do Tuesday. I can do Tuesday. So we're gonna do Tuesday at 12 p.m. Eastern. Uh Rob obviously has work, so he's not going to be able to join, but hopefully that interview is good enough to give us content for the night show and we could jump on and do like a show. We should do it a night show. I think we should. I mean, let's I mean, I'm gonna be off. So it's like I and you're you know, so I figured I'll do the day show Tuesday and then we'll do the night show. Maybe we'll do a debrief of the Joel Web and because I have a lot of things I want to ask Joel. Like I want I want to ask him like how because I've watched his I've watched him like change his opinion over the past year and a half specifically, and just watching his content change, and I'd like to get into a lot of that stuff. Um, and we're probably going to discuss like the three contention, which is um, oh thank you. Appreciate you. I'm we're probably gonna discuss race, feminism, and Jews, you know. And like it's hard to get along. I don't, I'm not into like Protestant Catholic dialogue typically, but I think Joel's really good on those three issues. Like, he's basically a Christian patriarchy guy on feminism. He's uh got some interesting takes on race. Uh, he's a Christian nationalist guy and he wants to preserve a white country, and and he's coming around on the Jewish question a lot. And I'd like to see how far I can push him on Catholic theology with the Jewish question. So I think it'll be a really interesting conversation. Um, so we're gonna do that Tuesday, and then Rob and I'll jump on Tuesday night. Then Wednesday, I think I'm on with TLM Ryan, and then I'm probably going to stream like every day next week because I'm off.

SPEAKER_02: 6:58

So you guys are gonna have a lot, you guys are gonna have a lot of ant doesn't realize that does not cause just more work for Ant.

SPEAKER_04: 7:05

No, it doesn't. It's definitely making Rob do more. But I'd rather I'd rather be streaming than doing nothing. Like, I don't, I don't know. I'm afraid to just be home doing nothing. So tonight we're going to do like uh we're gonna discuss the the topic in the thumbnail. We're probably just gonna make fun of uh Novus Ordo Normy Patrick a little bit.

SPEAKER_02: 7:26

Life team Patrick.

SPEAKER_04: 7:28

Life team Patrick. We're gonna make fun of him a little bit, and then uh I want I still never told anybody about my weekend in Tampa. Like I have Father Altman's story to that. I I met John Yep from Catholics for Catholics.

SPEAKER_02: 7:42

Um I we have to discuss Michael Matt purposefully trying to burn the remnants.

SPEAKER_04: 7:46

We definitely have to discuss Michael Michael Matt basically became Tim Waltz. I mean basically, yeah. Michael Matt became Tim Waltz. Like he's he's his the things he's saying sound no different. They're indistinguishable, like indistinguishable from from from uh Ozzy Osborne's daughter on the view. She's like, We can't get rid of the immigrants, they clean our toilets. Like that's literally the tweet he wrote earlier. Who's gonna mow my lawn out of the suburbs when I don't actually live in Minneapolis? He's gonna who's gonna cut my grass if we just send all the immigrants. So we have to talk about Michael Matt. Like, I think we just have way more locals content tonight, stuff that I don't want to just blast out on YouTube. And so we'll we're we'll get to the subject at hand in a minute. But first, we actually have a commercial to play for you guys.

SPEAKER_02: 8:33

And it is one you've actually seen, but we're actually being paid to play it this way.

SPEAKER_04: 8:37

All right, so this is the other thing. We're gonna have to talk about the sponsor stuff because uh you guys are all right, we're gonna bring you guys behind the scenes a little bit, but go ahead, play the commercial and then we'll talk about it real quick.

SPEAKER_02: 9:10

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You guys don't want to know what I did to that cow. All right, so still the best part. All right, so here's the thing we have a lot, we have we now have like we went from having no sponsors to this show to several people want to sponsor.

SPEAKER_02: 9:30

Why are you turning that off? Oh no, it did by itself. It wasn't your fault. I'm bad. Sorry.

SPEAKER_04: 9:36

So we went from having no sponsors to having uh several people want to sponsor the show now. We don't want to we don't want to do three, four ads in a show, so we have to we have to shuffle some of these around. So we're thinking we weren't supposed to notice that. Yeah, I said that I said that I'm I'm grateful taffy always makes me look a little thinner. That's pretty nice. Um we're going to probably uh do recusin until Valentine's Day. And I'm assuming people don't drink wine during Lent because you should be giving up alcohol for Lent. Come on, guys. So we'll maybe maybe take a break from Recucent. Those of you that have problems with it, anyways. So uh yeah, we're gonna see if we'll talk to Recucent. We'll see if we can drop Recucent for a period. Um, Fat Thins is only doing like a three-show run. Uh, we want to keep Knickknacks, and uh, what's the other one we have now?

SPEAKER_02: 10:29

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SPEAKER_04: 10:33

So, yeah, there's a Lenten specific one that's coming, also. So we'll try not to like bury you guys. I mean, this is part of the show tonight, and you guys we know we're gonna do it, but we'll try to keep the ads a little shorter. So, all right, so fat fins is of uh Catholic family that is now making chips. We mentioned their chips on our show one time and they sold out.

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SPEAKER_02: 12:15

The thing is, like, um I've talked to all these guys, and these aren't like just their marketing team. Like, I've talked to all of their owners, and all their owners are just Catholic guys, honestly, all similar in age to me and aunt, just running a family business. Like, so when they when they you know ask us to help them out, and of course, in exchange for money, they are paying us, but it's hard to say no to a Catholic family who just wants to help their business, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 12:42

And they and they like the show, and they and like our there is I'm I'm not kidding. Have you seen any other Catholic shows having unique sponsorships like this? Like, every other show does the same thing, like they all get real estate for life. It's uh what other what other ones do they do?

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Well, you want to know some someone just commented on our last show where you said that said, Hey, uh, um, real or I work with real estate for life. I mentioned it to our uh I mentioned it to our manager since you've talked about us three times now. So um we might have real estate for life as a sponsor.

SPEAKER_04: 13:15

I mean, they may as well give us an affiliate code, right? If somebody uses real estate for life, because we should get we should get a cut, but I mean, everybody knows real estate for life, right? So, but it is funny just because of how the show has progressed. Like our our first actual sponsor was a guy who was doing uh wills, it was like Catholic Wills. MyCatholicwill.com. Yeah, myCatholicwill.com. He was the first sponsor, but like our audience is so young, it's like nobody's thinking about Wills yet, so it just wasn't a good fit. So we were kind of just like, look, I you know, it it kind of got a little too burdening. But it just got too too like cumbersome to do yeah, try LC magazine. It got like too cumbersome to like throw the ad into the show, and it was a little clunky and stuff. So we like we do actually really like the guy who does my Catholic wills. Yeah, if you guys need a will, definitely go over there. Like, we do really like the guy, it just it was just not a good fit for our show because our audience is young and stuff.

SPEAKER_02: 14:14

Well, we probably have to explain wills to boomers since they will never use them to give money to their kids. They're just they're gonna spend all that money before they die. So, Michael Matt, here's what a will is, buddy.

SPEAKER_04: 14:25

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I still use it, yeah. You can break one in half. You definitely don't need it, but I'll I still do the whole what am I what am I a lightweight? Um, all right, so let's get to the show. So that was 15 minutes of ads.

SPEAKER_02: 15:58

We're definitely not gonna get any complaints about that from either our sponsors or our listeners.

SPEAKER_04: 16:07

Every time we do a show, the comments are like 10 minutes in and still no content.

SPEAKER_02: 16:13

Blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_04: 16:14

And someone goes, You're such a lifesaver. 10 minutes in and still no content. It's like, I don't know what you guys are looking for from us. Like, if you want content, we're not the show. This is just not the show for you, if that's what you're looking for. We don't get to the title ever, usually. So we're 15-16 minutes in. I think we should try to get to the title. Um, all right, so Patrick Neve or Nev. Neve Nev. Neve. Um I like Patrick. I like Patrick. I think he's very good at Twitter, like very good at Twitter. Um that's because he's gamified it. He he's pretty good at Twitter. I mean, he he's he knows he he does a lot of threads sometimes and stuff. He's just super normy, you know what I mean? Like he's uh thank you, Molly. He's um like what was what did uh what did La Layla Miller say? Waller. Waller.

SPEAKER_02: 17:07

Is that what Layla Lawler?

SPEAKER_04: 17:09

Is that her name? What's her name?

SPEAKER_02: 17:11

Yeah, you're I think you're right. I just can't remember if it's a different person on Layla Miller. Layla Lawler?

SPEAKER_04: 17:17

I think it's I would actually see her.

SPEAKER_02: 17:18

I'll be honest. I was gonna come off wrong. A lot of the women on Twitter all seemed like exactly the same to me. It's Layla Marie Lawler.

SPEAKER_04: 17:29

So Layla said, um, I like Layla too. She's a nice lady. Um, I'm not gonna say anything negative about her. Uh, she follows me on Twitter. So uh let's see. I want to find her tweet.

SPEAKER_02: 17:42

That's all it takes, by the way, guys. Yeah, follow him on Twitter.

SPEAKER_04: 17:45

Follow me on Twitter, and uh, you know, I'm not gonna say anything. Um, where's her actual tweet though? She said something about him. Uh I can't find it. This is this is I'm this is terrible.

SPEAKER_02: 17:59

It's going so great. And pop in a knickknack and zone in.

SPEAKER_04: 18:04

I'm trying, guys. All right, whatever. All right, I can't find it. Anyway, she uh she said that um, so he's basically like a life teen minister, Patrick.

SPEAKER_02: 18:13

He's a youth minister somehow associated in some way with life teen.

SPEAKER_04: 18:18

So it's uh like he's super normy, and so this is the tweet he wrote.

SPEAKER_02: 18:21

Okay, life teen is way more than just normie, like it's like charismatic two of the three founders of life team have been charged with child sex crimes. So, in a way where like you really question the prudence of those who stayed with the legionnaires. I tend to really question like the judgment and prudence of those who are associated with life teen at this point in time.

SPEAKER_04: 18:45

Man, I didn't know that. So, all right, so Patrick writes every Catholic knows someone who drives 30 minutes to mass, passing three parishes along the way. Maybe you're that person, but church hopping is killing our parishes. I get the appeal, the music, homilies, or community are better somewhere else. But when faithful Catholics scatter across a diocese chasing the perfect parish, nobody builds anything, it causes a dilution of resources. People aren't working together because they don't see each other. The parish you hate might just be the parish that needs you. So now my response to this was um Patrick's kind of genius because he wrote a book on this. He wrote a book on this, and I said he's kind of genius at Twitter because he he wrote a tweet that will generate more revenue than the book itself because nobody's a crap. Who's buying this book? Who's buying this book?

SPEAKER_02: 19:35

Maybe unless that's the thing, that's the thing about like the institutional church and Catholic Inc. Like it's all probably sustaining, right?

SPEAKER_04: 19:45

They'll sell this in your in like the north x of your parish or something for two or three bucks, or it'll be on the free rack, right?

SPEAKER_02: 19:51

So you're actually you are buying this book, whether you realize it or not. Your your tithes will go to your parish and your diocese to buy this book. From you know these organizations, from these authors who write just vaccus bullshit.

SPEAKER_04: 20:07

There has been some crazy anger from this tweet, though. Like, even when Brian holds with chirps in and like in like in a hostile way, you know, you know, you said something crazy.

SPEAKER_02: 20:16

Yeah, like it wasn't it wasn't cheerful Brian either.

SPEAKER_04: 20:19

That was in the Brian's like, I would rather let those parishes die than the faith of my children die. Like, that's really how a lot of us feel, right? It's like you want me to go in and try and save this terrible parish. What it's not even possible, man. You're you're just like the idea of swimming upstream like that, like you're going, you're going into a a situation that will take years and tons of people helping you to do it. You and and a ton of pressure on the priest. Like these things are these things for the next priest to undo it all in one week. In one week, these these motions have been set since the council, like you're not undoing and for what you'll spend years there to get what them to say the curier while your child goes and transitions because he he or she didn't learn a damn thing at church. Like you'll spend years and years, and then maybe you'll get some incense. Like, you're not, it's not like you're going and revamping the liturgy at this place, like there's nothing you're going to do, so I don't understand. Like, you might get like a youth program there, but like what what young people are going to places like this? It's total pride to think you're the guy who fixes your powers. That's a that's a very good point. It is like the this this is. I mean, I I said this to um emj when he came on, like it was emj's issue with the with the TLM is that it's bifurcating the church. And I'm like, Mike, I actually got my best novus order talking point from you, which is that the novus order itself inherently like has so much variety in it that you're already not going to your geographical parish no matter what, you're already church hopping. So it's like if I'm church hopping already and I'm driving 15 minutes to a reverent novus order, that's not even really reverent, I may as well go the extra 25, 30 minutes and go to a Latin mass, which I know I don't have to fight with anybody to get reverence, it's just inherent in the liturgy. And then all of a sudden you meet a bunch of people who take their faith seriously, and you get this concentrated group who cares a lot about their faith, and you could go let your children play with their children because you know they're not going to be little heathens that are just there because it's you know uh culturally Catholicism. The the issue that does come into play is that because everybody's driving 45 minutes to an hour, it's hard to it's hard to make it because it is just a Sunday thing generally, unfortunately. Yes, so it's not your neighbor that you're hanging out with there. So, like there really was a beauty to the Catholic parish system before the council, where the parish was the community center for Catholics, and it goes into all the social engineering that happened with them bringing so like Tucker Carlson just did that show today or yesterday, talking about how New York in 1950 was 90 white, now it's 30 white. Chicago was 85 white, now it's 17 white. LA was 94 white, now it's 37 white. This this influx of immigrants into these cities was social engineering to break up Catholic communities and send them out to the suburbs, and then they just completely disjointed all these Catholic communities.

SPEAKER_02: 23:42

Yeah, I mean it um you literally have the great migration of blacks from the south to to the urban and and the urban north and the urban you know west. And um, yeah, you know, all for instance, uh north Minneapolis, um where close by where like where the FSSP parish is in Minneapolis, within a mile, right? Uh in any direction, you have, like you said, a German parish, you know, in a in a a Polish parish, uh Slovenian parish, an Italian parish or two. Um, and now they're all closed, and instead you have North Minneapolis with the worst gun, the worst gun crime in the you know entire state.

SPEAKER_04: 24:25

So yes, that was like real social engineering. It was like what they did by moving immigrants in. So somebody's saying, like, um, where are they?

SPEAKER_02: 24:36

I do not know what that denomination is, but thank you. Um, I'm a 21-year-old like the Argentinian donation we had the one time that ended up being yeah, that could be like 14 cents.

SPEAKER_04: 24:47

Yeah, that could be 50 cents or something. So I'm a I'm a 21-year-old Catholic man in a parish that hates me for being properly Catholic. My priest accused me of idolatry for wanting Latin. I refuse to raise my kids in the sounds. Like that's kind of how all of us South African.

SPEAKER_02: 25:02

If you're from South Africa, respect that's not a nice place to live most of the time.

SPEAKER_04: 25:07

So so um, my wife, a couple uh, I forgot when it was. Where was I? I wasn't with her. Oh, it was probably this past Sunday when I was down in Florida. This past Sunday I was down in Florida. My wife took the kids to the Nova Sorto by me. And she goes and she's like, Anthony, she's like, the the priest is such a nice priest. Like, he really is a good priest. This is this parish has some of the most orthodox homilies you'll ever hear, but some of the worst liturgy you'll ever attend. Yeah, so it's like a super conservative litur, uh like, you know, uh in in your in your actual homilies, and they'll talk about abortion. I've even heard homilies on birth control, I've heard homilies on pornography, like really based homilies, but the liturgy is atrocious. I'm talking altar girls and horrific music. They sing the Our Father in a way that will make you your ears bleed. So the priest gave a homily about vocations, and he was like almost in tears because there's only five American priests in seminary in our diocese this year, and we have like 13. We have like the third or fourth largest diocese in the country. Rockville Center. We have look that up, Rockville Center. It's like it is a huge diocese, Rockville Center. It's no joke. I mean, it's in New York, it's like one of like the it's in the top five, I'm pretty sure. Let me look. So there's only five American priests, uh, American men joining seminary, or like are are going to be ordained, or something like that. And the priest was almost in tears, and he was just like, you know, Catholic families are raising their children Catholic, but none none of none of the parents are are trying to inspire their children towards a vocation, maybe the sixth, something like that, right?

SPEAKER_02: 26:56

Um, it's pulling up now. So you have 1.5 million Catholics in your baptized Catholics in your diocese. Yeah. Um big diocese. And you have five seminarians. Five seminarians at a one in my diocese. We have 50,000 Catholics and 11 seminarians.

SPEAKER_04: 27:18

There you go. Wow. Okay, so so I mean, think about that, man. So he was like really upset in this homily, and he's like, Um, hey, can you guys pray for the results uh for the repose of Father Nick Fratus of the Diocese of Erie? He barely turned 47 and died a few days ago. Also, John Allen. John Allen passed. Who was John Allen? John Allen was we remember we did the uh his wife did the interview with Pope Francis, the first interview with Pope Francis. Oh, wait, Francis or Leo? I mean Leo, I'm sorry. Pope Leo, his wife did the first interview with Pope Leo, and we kind of reviewed that that that interview. That was John Allen's wife. So so the priest is like almost in tears because uh Catholic families are not trying to inspire vocations in their children, and he's like, it's kind of like this lost this lost um occupation because people don't think anything of the priesthood, and it's like I was so frustrated listening to this because how many vocations have they destroyed because of girls? Well, because the traditional is custodis, yeah, right? Because because of how they're cracking down on anybody who actually believes the faith, right? So any men that are going to feel a sense of a vocation are going to be more conservative and traditional, and then you're basically telling these guys, hey, we're ripping altar rails out. Like, what man is going to go and enter a seminary under those conditions? And we've talked about this before. If one of if my son felt he had a vocation, it's like, I mean, I guess I gotta send him to SSPX seminary. Like, there's no chance I'm putting my son in a diocesan seminary.

SPEAKER_02: 28:59

It was a chance. One could argue that it could potentially be a sin against prudence, to be quite honest.

SPEAKER_04: 29:06

It's the I because I know Wagner disagrees with me on this. He's like, Oh no, no, we got to infiltrate, and like we'll be the ones we're coming up, but I'm not of that mindset, like, you're not you're not receiving a real Catholic formation in those seminaries, and they still have their guys at the top. So basically, Leo's in, and I don't care how based your priests are in the seminary, what you actually have happening is Leo's promoting a guy who supports the LGBT and who's like that's who that's who he's promoting. These guys are in power, that's what you're getting raised to the top. So, no matter how based your average priest is, and I know a ton. Not all right. So, look, I had um I had a uh a priest who lives in Westchester call me yesterday, and um I I talked to him a little bit, and he it's because he saw my video about um the bishop Hicks, the New York new new New York Bishop. Yeah, so I put for anybody that doesn't know, I put out a video when when Hicks got what replaced Dolan, and it was pretty it's pretty vicious. And I in the video I kind of said, like, you know, I know Dolan was I know you know, I know he wasn't the best, and I could criticize him for a million things, but at least he felt like a like a man's man, and you could go grab a beer with him. This priest was like, I'm just Dolan felt gay, to be honest. So this is the the guy says to me, He's like, I'm just telling you, Dolan was part of the gay mafia, dude. He's like, I don't care what you think of Dolan, he was part of the game.

SPEAKER_02: 30:39

Never once got the feeling he was a man's man. Are you?

SPEAKER_04: 30:42

I don't I I always felt he's just an Irishman, a jolly Irishman. I was like, I could probably grab a beer and talk with the guy or something, but he did say he goes, No, and he goes, I'm glad you deleted the video just because Hicks he goes, I I know he may not have the most masculine voice and stuff like that. He goes, but um I know guys that were in his diocese, and I'm telling you, he's not an enemy of that. This is really he's not an enemy by any stretch.

SPEAKER_02: 31:06

You don't like Hicks because he's soft spoken, and you like Dolan because he was loud, maybe.

SPEAKER_04: 31:10

Yeah, I mean, I like a loud Irishman, a loud Italian, you know, that's kind of how it is. But but what what I also realized like this priest um who called me, uh, I'm gonna grab dinner with him uh in the next week or two.

SPEAKER_02: 31:22

Um, and like I I think Anthony admitting he'd get gay cat. Yeah, he probably totally would.

SPEAKER_04: 31:32

I um what what what I what isn't talked about enough is how lonely the life of a conservative priest is. Like uh the the priest that's coming to Italy, I should I really should mention Italy too. We have 10 spots left on the Italy trip. So if anybody is interested in coming, like this trip is going to be amazing. I have an amazing priest coming on this trip with us. Um, we're gonna have daily Latin Mass in some of the most beautiful places. We're going to Rome, going down to Pompeii. We're gonna go to the island of Capri. We're gonna be we're gonna have we're gonna have a Latin Mass in front of a Eucharistic miracle while we're there. We're going to a CC, we're gonna be in Orvieto. There's also a plenary indulgence attached to visiting a CC this year. So you'll get a plenary indulgence with the pilgrimage, daily mass. It's it's pretty amazing. So if you guys are interested, go to Anthony at AvoidingBabylon.com. Um, you're right. Email Anthony at AvoidingBabylon.com. Um, so the but the priest that called me, I'm just like, man, these these good priests, they have nobody, man. Like they don't have anybody, like if and and people talk to priests like they're like, oh my goodness, like I have to be careful how I and I think just just the just the just this priest call calling me. I don't want to say his name because of what I just said that he told me and stuff, but um he's like, Man, I'd love to just come and hang me and just talk with you, you know. And the same thing with the priests coming on the pilgrimage, like they need just like fraternity with men, like and and normal men, you know what I mean? Like they can't, it's like because so many of the people at their parishes probably like are like especially when you know a priest, right? Like, so all right, I'll give you an example. When I went to the cancel priest conference, I had I had a I had a a thing I I was dealing with that was like really tricky, and Father Dave Nicks was there, and I remember I could have gone to a priest that I didn't know and talked about this and confessed this, and I and I forced myself to go to Father Nick's because it was embarrassing. It was something super embarrassing, and I was like, I'm gonna force myself to go to Father Dave Nick's because I I didn't want to hide behind the screen for this one. I wanted to like wanted to I wanted to verbalize what this thing was and I wanted to really wanted to really like like sit in it for a minute and it was super embarrassing, you know? And but it but it put up this like I felt weird around Father Nick's the rest of that weekend. Even though like you know the priest after he forgives your sins, like he, you know, it's you know, it's he forgets about it. But when when you're in a priest's parish and you're going to conf and he's your confessor and stuff, it's like you it's hard to have a a lateral fraternal relationship with him instead of that hey, you're my spiritual father relationship, which is which is appropriate, right? Like he is your spiritual father, but I do think these priests just need to be around normal, normal men and just like hang out. They're super embarrassing. More details on local. It was one of those. Um one of the it was something that like came up from my from like dur during the conference in in a in one of the talks, like it was like a was it about how angry you got at Father Altman. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. It was a past sin that came up, and it was very personal. It was, I mean, I'll tell you guys all locals, whatever. No, don't fall into the stereotype. Whatever, I'll tell it all locals. No, I can't it's not something I can ever say on here though, because it has to do with never mind, whatever. Anyway, um shut up, yeah. I always talk too much.

SPEAKER_02: 35:18

So um it's okay, Anthony. Everyone at Contraport is sure.

SPEAKER_04: 35:29

I it's fully bell. I like Matthew, man. He's like there's a like there's a couple of really cool settings out there, man.

SPEAKER_02: 35:39

He's definitely I should have. Yeah, but he's awesome.

SPEAKER_04: 35:42

Do not dare, do not dare block him. He's awesome.

SPEAKER_02: 35:46

I really, really I can't block the Twitter people anyway.

SPEAKER_04: 35:48

No, no, no. Don't you dare anyway. I really like him. Um, but yeah, like I it it is I I am looking forward to just uh the like getting to spend time with with both of these priests because I think like they need to just have like a guy to hang out and talk with, and maybe even them get to like say some of the hardships they're under that they can't say to their parish members, you know what I mean? Like they just need a friend, and they don't have other like they're not living in community like they used to. Like they're I the priest that's coming to Italy, dude. The guy runs three parishes, like he's running three parishes, he's the lead pastor at three parishes. You know what kind of life he lives? It's like bouncing from one to the other to the other, daily mass, this he's saying three masses in three different parishes on a Sunday. That is way too much for one priest to handle, and it goes to the priest at the at the at the Novus Ordo parish this weekend talking about how there's only five American seminarians coming in.

SPEAKER_02: 36:48

So now did he mention how many H1B seminarians were coming in though?

SPEAKER_04: 36:51

Yeah, he did. He said, Thank god for these Indian priests that are coming in. And I said, like, they went through all this trouble to put the mass in the vernacular, and then they brought a bunch of priests over from other countries that you can't understand a word they're saying anyway.

SPEAKER_02: 37:04

But you can't not only can you not understand, I mean, their formation is just awful.

SPEAKER_04: 37:09

You really don't know. I mean, I look, there's some of them like they are faithful, do not get me wrong. I like I've gone to confession with a couple of Indian priests, and like you know they're super faithful, like they've asked me questions, but like uh like some of the penances that you get are just like, What? What did you just uh like man? It's just it's just a dumpster fire for these men. So that's what I'm saying. Like, the the idea of fixing your home parish, man, it's an uphill battle, and you'll be at it for years, and you might get a trinket thrown at you.

SPEAKER_02: 37:44

Well, and like so kind of go to this comment here. So, uh, yeah, this is about our diocese here in the diocese of Duluth. Our bishop is having um a good number of the parishes celebrate at Orientum. Um, and like our our local priest is good. We've had him over for dinner. He uh he loves Bishop Schneider. He says uh Dominus Est by Schneider is one of his favorite books. Um, he introduced uh a kneeler for people who wanted to start kneeling for communion, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 38:14

And I'll bless that bishop, even though like to even say, Hey, let's I guess I'll just not finish my story.

SPEAKER_03: 38:19

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, you're right, you're right.

SPEAKER_04: 38:21

Go ahead, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03: 38:22

But it's I do that a lot.

SPEAKER_04: 38:23

I I apologize.

SPEAKER_02: 38:25

Um but at the same time, like the Lenten retreat, instead of having a Lenten retreat about um penance or sacrifice or things like that, it's some liberal Benedictine monk who's gonna come and talk about welcoming the other. Yeah, like really, yeah, yeah, man. Like and and and it's I know who organized it, and it's the same uh 30-year-old feminist woman who is in charge of uh faith formation for children in her parish. So it's like, no, sorry, I'm no, I'm I'm not gonna be involved in that parish.

SPEAKER_04: 39:00

It's just how happened. How uh it might be a locals discussion. I I'll leave that to you, what you what you're open to sharing. Um, because me me and Rob have been talking about just both of our own struggles with this stuff, and uh yeah, we can talk about locals. We'll do that on locals, yeah. It's uh because we've both just been sharing like both of our struggles with certain things, like just how just how difficult they have made it to be Catholic at this point, man. Like it really is difficult to raise your children Catholic because it'll go to um look, like a lot of us that are driving an hour plus to go to mass on Sunday. There's a toll that comes with that, and it's easy when your kids are little, um, because your kids just do what you say when they're little, but you do an hour and a half drive to mass, and your kids are little in the car, but then when they get to mass, they're ready to rip their hair out because they've been sitting in a car for an hour and a half, and then and it's like we make the joke Nova Sordo babies cry, but. These poor trad babies have been sitting in the car for an hour and a half, and then you get them to mass, and they're like, they're you know, it's really difficult.

SPEAKER_02: 40:06

Yeah, so then one of the two parents one of the two parents isn't even presenting to you know to be present for the mask because they're dealing with that. And I'll tell you one thing I have uh been seeing. Yeah, that's the lads of mass we go to.

SPEAKER_04: 40:22

Uh there's something I saw, and I didn't want to mention it when it happened because uh I know the people probably saw me at Mass that day, and I didn't want to come in the next show and like talk about it. But a couple of weeks ago, I was at Mass, and there's uh uh a husband and wife there, young coup, young couple. They're like in their you know, mid to late 20s, and they got four kids, and the wife has an infant attached to her, basically breastfeeding the baby. There's a two-year-old, a four-year-old, and a five-year-old, and the wife's got the the the infant holding her, and the the two four and five-year-old are fighting, and the dad is just watching mass up ahead, and every once in a while he'll look down and he'll just go, stop, and then he'll go like this. And the wife is holding the baby, and now she's trying to deal with the toddlers, and the dad is not doing anything. And I'm like sitting there and I'm just like, Man, what are you? What are you like? You're the father, man. Like, I was just so disappointed in the husband that he left. Like, at one point, the one of the one of the toddlers fell and hit their face on the on the pew, and the wife takes the toddler outside, she's got an infant in her arm, she takes the toddler outside, and then the two other ones are fighting in the pew, and the dad is still just watching the liturgy up ahead. And it's like, this is at a trad parish, and this trad dad is so enamored with the liturgy that he doesn't even know that he's ruining mass for everybody around him. Like, everyone around him is just like, dude, can you like your kids are literally like fighting in the aisle, like you because a lot of this is base dad, not based dad, absolutely not. No, lazy dad, it's lazy dad, and it's it's dad letting his wife run the home dad, and it's frustrating, not even because the kids are making noise, like it deal with the kids making noise, it's more just that dad could actually just look at those kids sternly, and if they had a proper fear of their father, they would they would button up, or he needs to take them outside and have a talk with them or something, and it's like it's more just like I see a lot of these young men in mass with their kids and leaving their wife to do everything. And I'm just like, Man, you you men like I you know, we we got a lot to say about women and my women, this, women, that man, you men. My kids, when we when when they were little at mass, if they started acting up, I would just give them a look and they knew I better shut up or there's gonna be a problem. So it's yeah, like the young men do kind of suck. And I didn't I didn't want to say that at the next show because I was just at that, but this is a couple weeks back, so and then you have the other opposite extreme where the dad's holding the infant and the toddler and he's trying to keep the infant quiet, and the wife's just sitting there doing another. It's like you guys are a team when you're at mass, you both have to work together, you both have to help each other, and you do have to do everything you can to make mass peaceful for everyone around you. I obviously kids are going to make noise. I'm not saying your kids can't make noise, but you do have to do whatever's in your ability to keep your children settled the best you can. I mean, you can't control children fully, obviously. But like even when when we came for um Sebastian's christening, like there were times you had to, you know, take the take the kids out because you have to settle them down and stuff, but that's just what you do as a father. Like, you just you know, kids have been cooped up in the car all day, stuff like that. So so um, but yeah, the idea that you're keep you're driving this. Imagine Annette Mass all amped up on Nick the Max Anther now and driving this avenue in front of them. It's it's well the thing is because I get very frustrated at a at a novice ordo because the music sucks, and this is terrible, and this is terrible. And then you go to a trad parish and you're just like, This dad, like all I want to do is fix men. You don't understand. That's like all I all I want to do is just fix men. When I see men, I'm just like, I want to fix this kid, I want to take him outside and I want to fix him. Like, I I I want to make men of these boys, it's it's frustrating at times. Um, yeah, that's a good point. I love midnight mass that all the kids are sleeping. Um, but it goes to it goes to uh the conversation Rob and I have been talking about well, like just the the the toll that the drive takes, and and what the and and what happens later on when your kids are older, is that they they they grow to hate the that mass takes all day, right? So when the kids are little, they'll do what you say, but when they get older, it's like oh mass five hours out of our day. Like that's not supposed to be that way, you know what I mean? So I it's like, yeah, all right, maybe go fix the parish next to you, but that's not gonna happen. So, like we're we're just it they just have made everything so difficult to be Catholic, man. It really just sucks. It's tough. We live in a we live in a very difficult time, kids. That's why you all tune into this show twice a week. Get your get your get your spiritual complaining nourishment. I don't know. It's rough. What do you what do you think on the uh fixing your local parish?

SPEAKER_02: 45:52

Um I mean I'm at the point where I think it's probably best for the church if most of those parishes honestly die. Yeah. Like um that like there are some I would assist. I would I would uh hell, I would let's just say I would commit euthanasia with some parishes. I really would.

SPEAKER_04: 46:13

Um okay, so this is a good comment. So my wife isn't Catholic, so I go with my two toddler boys myself every week. They're usually pretty good, but some weeks are an adventure. Um, that's my brother. My brother's in that situation. Uh his wife sometimes will go with him, but for the most part, he's taking his boys to mass on Sunday. And he, I mean, they're really good now, though. Like my my brother's kids, they're I think they're uh maybe six and four. And he does like Catholic trivia with them. He reads them old Bible stories. Like he like when I go when I go and see them, he's like, Go ahead, Aunt, to quiz them on anything. And like I'll ask them like to name and then Aunt goes, sorry, that's too much work.

SPEAKER_02: 46:53

I don't do trivia.

SPEAKER_04: 46:54

I don't do trivia anymore. No, I'll ask them the apostles' names, they know all the apostles' names, they really know their stuff. Um, I'm realizing I'm incredibly blessed by God that I have a TLM 15 minutes away from you. Are yeah, definitely are. I opened my um I opened uh my talk at the conference over the weekend with my uh I don't trust cradle trad' joke. I don't trust cradle. And they laughed. They did that. You gotta laugh. I don't trust cradle trads. If you haven't had to sit through uh what did I say? What song did I say? I was like, if you haven't had to sit through table of plenty, yeah. You don't have your Catholic street cred. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 47:31

It actually explains a lot about Michael Batt, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_04: 47:34

He's uh yeah, he's a cradle trad. He really never, he never had to experience the novice order in all its beauty. Uh um, all right. I think we could I think we could close this one up. Patrick Knave. Uh, I think you you're you're you're living a pipe dream, brother. We do like you. You're allowed to have bad opinions. Doesn't mean we dislike you. Everybody has a terrible opinion. I like you. It's okay to have a bad opinion, but expect to be made fun of. Your book's gonna be terrible, but your tweet was great. I'll give you that. Uh but your book will sell because the Catholic Inc. does. Father Timothy Geckle. He's a he's a he's a trad priest. I don't trust the neo trad. He's a Saturday priest. Yeah, he's a Saturday priest. Uh Tom, you always catch the end of the show, right? Every single time. Every time. It's like set your alarm. We do this at 8 p.m. on Tuesday and Thursday, Tom. Every Tuesday and Thursday. Stop coming in late. Um all right. You guys got any last minute questions? Did we miss did we miss any super shots? No. I don't know. Do we have any other sponsors we need to mention? Uh did we get this one? I became a sede because I went to RCIA and they said evolution was probably true, and women should be allowed to be.

SPEAKER_02: 48:54

Yeah, it's just gonna be every RCIA, though.

SPEAKER_04: 48:56

Like um, women priests shouldn't be at RCIA. I can see uh evolution for sure.

SPEAKER_02: 49:03

Yeah, but RCIA is always one but run by a woman who thinks they should be a priest.

SPEAKER_04: 49:09

I had I had the uh woman at my wife's RCIA tell my wife that the priesthood was like a fifth century invention by the church, like the priesthood was invented in like the fifth century or something. Craziness, craziness, craziness, these broads. Yeah, we gotta get the women out.

SPEAKER_02: 49:29

I think we do not have a Patreon, but we do have a locals, and we will actually be moving over to locals here shortly. So go to avoidingbabylon.locals.com. And uh you can watch a one-time show for four dollars or for five dollars a month. You can watch all of them.

SPEAKER_04: 49:47

Uh and I think it's what fifty a year, fifty for the year or five dollars a month, or you can watch one episode for four bucks, which a lot of people did for the Daniel O'Connor episode. But if you guys enjoyed the Daniel O'Connor, like what we typically do on locals is talk about more personal stuff, like Rob might share a personal thing. I'll talk about some I'll talk about a lot of behind-the-scenes Catholic content stuff that you know we don't we don't want to you know gossip on Twitter uh YouTube about, but we do if you've you're if you're too broke for locals, go over and watch um what are Latin Slavs?

SPEAKER_02: 50:18

Latin Slavs.

SPEAKER_04: 50:19

Yeah, they start at nine. So Latin Slavs podcast starts in five minutes. So if you're too broke and you wanna go watch the uh avoiding Babylon spin-off, they're called Latin Slavs. But if you want to watch the real show, we go over to locals, and uh I have some stuff to share on locals that we're gonna get into. I want to talk about uh my experience hanging out with Father Altman, doing doing some shots at tequila with him, uh and how my opinion has uh changed a bit on him. How uh uh oh, John Henry Weston. I I spent so I I all right we'll do it on the other side. Yeah, John Henry Weston and I shared an Airbnb and I had some really good conversations with him. So um, all right, we'll do that over there. We'll we'll give you guys the inside scoop about what happened in the super secret trad meeting.

SPEAKER_02: 51:07

Um, let me uh post the locals link here before we go. Do we have a good outro video? Uh really, I can just play one of the other ads. Play the knick commercial. You can play the knick-knack commercial or requisite. Um, okay, I'm pinning the locals link. This is the best way to go.

SPEAKER_04: 51:31

You watch locals live and then watch Latin Slavs the next day. Sorry, Majarian, but our live show is a little more important. Tom, you finally joined locals? You finally joined locals. Good boy.

SPEAKER_02: 51:43

Let's see what other videos we got that I can play. Oh, I got I got a funny one. I got a funny one. It it's not new, it's not brand new, but we only played it once or twice.

SPEAKER_04: 51:53

Yeah. All right. We'll see you guys on the other side. Thank you for joining. It was amazing. They're from Canada or someplace, and it was mating season. They had some ducklings. This is great. Then I come out one day.

SPEAKER_06: 53:20

Ever since the ducks left, I guess. Okay, Tony. Let's talk about that then. Okay.

SPEAKER_04: 53:43

We got a meanie on locals, and we got a big locals chat tonight. It's pretty big.

SPEAKER_02: 53:48

One hundred and twenty-three, that's not bad.

SPEAKER_04: 53:50

Yeah, it's obviously one hundred-nine, man. It's a big locals chat. Okay, so I get asked to come down to this super secret trad meeting. Now they started it on like Wednesday or Thursday, and I was invited on Friday. Um, which is that was like I don't know. You know what though? I might have I'm trying to remember if they invited me earlier, and I just said, Hey, I don't think I can make the whole thing, but I can only come because I couldn't take too many days over. Like I had to take the Friday off of work already. And it's not like I got paid to go to this. It was they they paid for the trip, but I didn't get paid to go. So it you know, to miss two days of work, like I it cost me money to go, you know. It's like I took a day off of work and then I spent money while I was down there. Um, but I think what it was was um uh they it's a group of people that want us to um basically like uh uh what do you call that? Uh uh network with each other, right? So um I go there, it's like Janet Smith is there, John Yep from Catholics for Catholics is there, Father Altman is like the host. Um and uh Mark and Catherine from Catholic Unscripted were there. Uh who else was there?

SPEAKER_02: 55:08

Um Hitchbourne was going to be, but he wasn't.

SPEAKER_04: 55:11

Raymond Arroyo was supposed to be there, Dr. Kwaznevsky was supposed to be there, Michael Hitchbourne was supposed to be there. Like a bunch of people had to bail at the last minute because of personal situations. Um so um, yeah, so I get there Friday and it's after the Friday day conferences, which I was kind of happy about. Like conferences are they're really good for the first half, and it doesn't matter who's speaking, it's just the way it is. The first half of them are good because you kind of have energy and you're good. Then after lunch, you're kind of just like, oh man, I hope this thing hurries. You know, I hope this kind of goes fast. And they don't go fast, they're it's like nine hours of hearing people speak. It's like it gets tedious by the end. So Friday night. Um, I I went up and I introduced myself to Father Altman, and I don't think he got a clue who I was. Like, I was concerned, like, oh, maybe he saw I said something. I don't think he had a clue who I was. Um, whereas probably I was kind of happy about that. I was like, all right, I was kind of relieved when he like he shook my hand and he was like, Okay, like he didn't know who I was. I was kind of happy about that. Um then um John Yep from Catholics for Catholics was super excited to meet me, like, really excited to meet me. Like when he saw me, he was like, Anthony Wright, and he came over, he gave me his card, he said, Call me, I think we should talk, which was kind of cool because I've followed him on Twitter and he never followed me back. And I was like, Why like I don't get it? Like, they these guys all talk to like all our peers, and like none of them ever talk to me. I always think it's not everyone at like is on Twitter all the time, man. No, I know, but it's still uh he is, he's on enough. I don't know. I mean, I guess you're right. I guess it's a little weird for me to say something like that, but I don't know. It's just I was surprised he knew who I was because I felt like he I either thought he might not know who I am or he was purposely avoiding me. And in instead, I got like a totally different reaction where he was like excited to meet me and he wanted to collaborate, so that was really cool. So, Father Robin, I introduced myself to him. He has I don't think he has a clue who I am, and uh I see he just sat through a day's long talk, like days worth of talks, and he's exhausted, and he's just like we get and we get out of it, and uh dinner's not ready yet, and there's no alcohol. And they're like, No, no, no, we have beer and wine coming, it'll be here in about a half an hour. And I look over at Father Altman and and John Henry West, and they're like, We ain't waiting a half hour for beer and wine, and so they bring it out and they get tequila, they get whiskey, like so they come back, and uh Father Altman's uh he's like, Uh, I I don't I don't know what I'm gonna drink. I go, I go, Why don't we do some shots of tequila? He goes, All right, all right, I'll do a shot of tequila. They did like the whole nine with the with the salt and the lungs. I'm just like, give me a cup of tequila, I'll drink it. I don't care, you know. I get so I get him a little loosened up, and I tell him about my first time meeting him in Chicago. And I'm like, I gotta be honest, the first time I met you, you were not nice. I was like, you were uh I was like I was like, I wasn't a fan of yours the first time I met you. Said I tried to talk to you, and you just you were probably just like who is this loud mouth, you know, whatever. So I he ends up uh we all go after after dinner and drinks, we go back to uh one of the one, I think one of the uh bigger donors, like they have uh they live down there, and we kind of went back to his place and we just sat back, sat in the back and smoked cigars and and had a couple of drinks, and we just kind of like um uh like just talked about stuff. And what what I realized is some of some of my criticisms of uh of these guys was always because I thought there was like a uh a sensationalism to it, uh and that I thought they were doing it for clicks, I thought you know, things like that. And what I realized is like they're really sincere in what they think. They just think differently than us because we're younger. Like uh, especially some of the like the life site headlines that I've been frustrated with over time, where it's like, oh man, are we are we really doing Father Michelle Rodriguez Rodrigue or whatever his name is, you know, and like the the prophecy stuff. Like, I because I was talking to John Henry a lot about like the apocalyptic stuff, and he like he genuinely like follows all that prophecy stuff, and he's like, No, no, no, this prophecy and this prophecy and this prophecy. I was like, Oh, okay. Like, I I didn't know if he was doing that because he thought it was like. People wanted to hear that like there's a very big appetite for things like the Countdown to the Kingdom stuff. You ever see you ever see Countdown to the Kingdom? It's like they they basically it's like uh that Mejigory kind of like they they they'll they'll find seers from all over the world and they're saying this event's gonna happen and this event's gonna happen. A lot of them, a lot of them do like Daniel O'Connor's kind of linked to that. I know, you know, his his big fault in my eyes. But listen, there but just like Daniel O'Connor, like do you doubt for a second that Daniel O'Connor is a devout Catholic who believes the Catholic faith with all his heart? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:36

Like these are no, but there are still problems if they believe this crazy stuff, and in some ways, those problems actually I'm not gonna say it's bigger than saying just doing it for sensationalism, but it's problematic when you believe uh someone who claims to see things and then have those things are always wrong, they're in no way approved by the church, and in many ways condemned by the church. Like, no, sorry, John Henry Wesson. That's a freaking problem. I don't care if he bel I I don't care if he believes that like truly believes it. True believers can be some of the worst people in the whole fri freaking world. Yeah, Vladimir Lenin was a true believer in Marxism, doesn't make Marxism right. Sorry. I just honor like yes, people should be sincere and honest about what they believe, but there's just no way if you're sincerely a moron, you're still a moron. You know, you gotta chill a little bit.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:38

There's just like part of part of me is like, uh part of me is like, um, why don't they invite the two of us to these things? And then it's like, oh, all right, now I don't want to invite the two of us because we're probably what they'll tell them what I actually believe, and because I'm sincere, damn it. You the the the temperament difference is so pronounced between the two of us, right? Yeah, like my my sanguine side is kind of like it's like I'm I'm willing to overlook some of the crazier things people say for the sake of the relationship. Rob's just like, damn it, if you don't say the exact I don't give a crap if you never talk to me at all. I don't I know I think it's I'm just it's kind of I know you and what's funny is you're going to uh yeah that but that's not wrong. So Brock Brock uh from town said Anthony's being nice, Rob lays it down. I think that's why it works this show works, yeah. I think that's why this show works because I'm always going to uh lean toward just just the person, you know what I mean? Like the personal relationship. I uh I'm always gonna view the personal relationship as something. It's like and it's not that I disagree with Rob necessarily, it's more just like isn't I don't and I would not well, we wouldn't do this on YouTube first off. We're doing it on locals, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:06

It's like um I'm not gonna I mean I am being truly sincere, but like maybe I'm being a little bit more boisterous because it's part of the bit, I guess. You know what I mean? Like I don't think John Henry Weston is a bad guy. I don't know, it's not but it's really not that, but I really dislike life side, like with a passion.

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:27

The well that's what I but that's what I kind of mean. Like you um your your you just lean more towards just yeah, I'd rather just uh whatever. I'd rather just not deal with it at all. You know what I mean? It's like where and I'll be honest, like I don't necessarily know like like what what kind of that what like the the networking with that crowd, I don't know what that really does. I like I genuinely went there to try to help them understand how the culture's kind of flying by them, you know. So, like the whole the whole purpose of my talk was okay, look, you guys are caught up in Vatican II, like the hierarchy is talking about Vatican II, and we all think they're crazy because they're still talking about Vatican II. But what that kind of does is put you guys in a position where you're discussing Vatican II also, and the younger generation just doesn't care at all. Like, I I and I I'm part of it, like I don't give a crap to hear about Vatican II anymore. I just don't care, even when the church is doing it in that in that in the Vatican and they're talking about Vatican, like I just don't care anymore.

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:33

So, like to be gay in a way, but like you're talking about like someone's journey right into traditionalism, like yeah, you you know, you go through these phases where you you don't know all this stuff, and you so it's exciting. You you you read everything you can about the liturgy, you read you know all 45 books Dr. K has put out in the last three years, and then you know, you read all you can about Vatican II and all the problems there. And then for me, it's like okay, I I know all this stuff. Now time to move on, right? Like, time to move on and figure out how do I apply this to the problem the actual problems in our modern world today. And but some people get stuck at that point and I don't understand it. Well, like, what is the point to read the next Dr. K book after you've read a dozen?

SPEAKER_04: 1:05:28

So, like once you once you um like once you do the learning and you talk about it ad nauseum, it's like like I saw a Catholic Family podcast today doing uh and Father Geckel was in our chat earlier, like him and Lou Varecchio were discussing Vatican II again, and it's like the set of contests fall into this trap too. It's like what else can they talk about? We got Vatican II, and it's like um give a crap about Vatican II anymore. I just don't care. It's like I'm not doing none of our talking about it as changing anything. Like, we get the problem, we understand it. Now, what the younger people want to talk about is the actual problems facing facing them, dude. I kind of went off on I went off on racism, feminism, and the Jews. And I and John Yep was there from Catholics for Catholics, and he does a lot of stuff with the Trump administration, and he's doing a lot of stuff in in Mar-a-Lago and all this stuff, and I talked about all the problems with Trump and and and all the issues that the younger generation is seeing with him kind of kowtowing to the to the Zionist lobby in his in his administration. And I talked about um I talked about the older brother, and I don't think any of them had ever heard the the golden thread through Genesis and the and the covenant you're supposed to go to the older brother, and and I didn't even actually complete like the thesis, and people came up to me after, and they were like, You left it where my mind made the connection, and I got it. Like they were supposed to get the covenant, and it went to uh like they got it just by me leaving it the way I did, and then I opened it up for questions after, yeah. And man, did they give me some good questions? And I did like a 25-minute question and answer portion because I I I those talks are so tedious. Like when people go up and they give a 40-minute talk, it's it's like you want to rip your hair out. So I just did a quick 20 minutes, like a quick 20-minute thing, and I said, and if anybody has any questions about like why my show tends to have a younger audience, or I don't care if you guys want to ask me anything, and they just started firing questions at me, and I I got into like um I like I talked about Romans 9 through 11, and I took like all these different things that Janet Smith comes up to me afterwards and she's like, Where did you study theology? I was like, uh, in my in my Ford one F 150 in my truck driving to work. That's about it, you know. Mrs. Casey wants to know if it's recorded. It may have been uh, I think they did record it. I don't know where those recordings went. I don't know, like if they are released publicly. Then I did uh I did a I did an interview one-on-one with John Henry Weston from Life Site, and we talked about race, feminism, and Jews, which was interesting because you're talking to John Henry Weston, who's an Indian who lives in Canada, and I'm talking to him about American I think.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08:22

John Henry, have you been skiing lately?

SPEAKER_04: 1:08:25

Have you seen so John Henry's Indian, right? And John Henry does a crazy Indian accent when he when he wants really to the point where it made me uncomfortable. I was like, John Henry, stop that right now. Like he he was doing uh like a really, really crazy Indian accent. I was like, John Henry, stop right now. I can't like like I don't want to, I don't I can't put that that affectation with your face. But I uh I talked to him about race, and he's very worried about race, like he's he's because he's he's Indian and he sees the conversation escalating. So I kind of was just like, you know, um, I said, these young men in America are dealing with this influx of immigration coming, and it's like they do have this desire to keep an American identity, and when you're bringing in millions of immigrants from the third world from the third world, it's just how do you keep an American identity? I said, These guys really do have a legitimate struggle, and then I kind of went through the EMJ thesis with them, and I was like, Well, this is kind of what E. Michael Jones thinks. He thinks we shouldn't break up into black and white, he thinks it should be more of a you know, a breaking down of Protestant, Catholic, and Muslim and atheist or something like that. And I kind of it's very look. If you guys see that interview on life site, understand it's very difficult to have a conversation like that in a with an Indian guy who's in a mixed marriage, you know, it's just it's just a hard conversation to have without being offensive. So why does he live in Canada? Uh, he's a Canadian citizen. I don't know what do you mean.

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:02

Why doesn't he live in India? It's a good question, you know. I mean, like it's a good question because the civilization that was created there was so abhorrent that he were parents here.

SPEAKER_04: 1:10:15

Now, the thing is, John Henry very much assimilated to Canadian culture, though, right? He's not trying to keep Canadian Canada Canadia, he's not trying to keep Canada India, right? And and I think that's a big part of the and he and he also migrated here way before all the craziness that's happening today, right? But John Henry is a white guy, if you ask me. Like he just happens to be Indian, you know, like he's very much a Catholic first, like he doesn't see himself as Indian Canadian, he just sees himself as a Catholic Canadian, you know? And it's a tri it's a tricky conversation to have with people who are this it's this is what like Joel Webbins having that interracial marriage conversation with Ruth Holland, who's in an interracial marriage Japanese. Um I don't know. When my family moved here, were they Italian or American? They're Italian, right? Yeah, they were Italian Americans, I guess, you know. It's a it's a tricky conversation. Listen, you I think I get it, man. Like I don't know, I'm not I'm not no, I'm not attacking you or anything like that. It's just so oh, so Altman. So I so I I spend the weekend with him, like and really hang out with him. I have I have dinner with him two nights in a row, and I always thought Altman, because I always knew he had a late vocation. I know he he became a priest at 42, right? I did lawyer, yeah. He was a lawyer, and then he becomes a priest at 42. I did not know how old he was, though.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:45

He's gotta be almost 70, right?

SPEAKER_04: 1:11:47

Yeah, I thought he was like 60, 62, something like that. Like he's almost 70, so he he becomes a priest in like the late 90s or 2001 or something. Like he's been so uh my impression of him was always like I thought I thought he became a priest in like 2017, and then three years later starts railing against the church like that. And I'm like, there's just something off-putting about that, but getting a better understanding of knowing, like, oh no, no, he was actually a diocesan priest for 20 something years, and then he finally just had it when COVID happens, and he sees and he's just like, you know what, man, like I'm tired of the hierarchy not speaking out and saying, like, if you support abortion, you can't receive you, you can't call yourself a Catholic. Like, he he just had had it at that point, and that's where he came from in that first in that first homily that made him famous, you know. And the thing is, we go to mass on Sunday, and we go to Epiphany Parish in Tampa, and it was dude, the drastic difference in who comes to see him and who comes to see me, like who approaches me after mass and who approaches him after and but devotion as well. Like the people that come to me, they're just like, Hey, what's going on? Man, I watched the show, really like the show, you know. There, you know, oh man, there was a a young woman who put us in touch with Mike Church. Do you remember her name? There's a young woman who put uh maybe she did it on Mike Church's end, but uh no young young woman on Twitter, she's in her she's in her 20s, she's got four kids. She was a doll, man. She like, because I like I I left right from Epiphany Parish to go to the airport, and she like hung out with me until my Uber got there, and she was just the sweetest freaking thing. Ashley Durant. Yes, Ashley. She was a doll, man. Like, just so sweet to me. But the people that go to see Altman, dude, when I tell you, like they were fawning over him. Now, you have to think about what kind of effect that has on a person, right? Like, you're this celebrity priest, and anytime you walk into a church, there's 20 people want to line up and get pictures with you and stuff. Like, it's an uncomfortable amount of recognition, yeah. Dude, I go to Epiphany Parish, the thing's loaded with young people. Five people came up to me and wanted to say hello. And they don't, they're not bugging me for pictures, they just want to say hello and just say, dude, I love your show, man. You know, it's like it's a comfortable amount of recognition we have. It's it's like it's almost like you're seeing an old friend or something, you know what I mean? It's not like awkward, it's not, it's it's not fame in any sense of the word whatsoever. It's a slight recognition if you're at a trad parish. That's about it. So it's just it's difficult for him to go anywhere where it's a Catholic environment because everybody wants to see him. So when I approached him that first time, he just thought I was another one of those people who was just, oh, I want to go see Father Altman, you know. So that's why he acted the way he did towards me the first time because he gets approached constantly, and especially at conferences and things like that. So it kind of just put that in perspective. As I'm leaving, he gave me the biggest hug, and he was just like, I had such a fun time with you. This like he was just super nice to me. And it's like, how do you not like a guy like that? Like, I don't, I don't, you know, I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:07

I'm so disappointed when you called me and told me we had to be nice to him from now on.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:10

I don't know how to be uh unkind to someone who's kind to me, honestly. Like, I if somebody crosses a line and like like the Frad stuff, right? Like, like Frad with like that stuff, it's like you cross a line with me. Like, I don't give a crap, I'll say anything about you, but it but I don't like drawing first blood, I don't like being the one go to go after somebody.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:33

Um, he comes to my patron you turn a stallone in my head instantly when you say that I don't want to draw first blood.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:44

Um, no, I don't I don't like doing that. Like, I even if you even if I have certain opinions, I'll withhold saying them publicly because it's like, why do you you don't is there's real enemies out there? Like, I don't need to pick a fight with guys that respect us. And and honestly, Rob, those guys all do respect us, like they really do. They they respect us, they think what we're doing is really cool. They they're they're all looking at uh at us and they're like, How like what is it about your show? And especially the woman that organized it, Beverly, like, and everyone there actually was like, because they were trying to talk about like how do we reach people, and then and and there was another conversation about like starting another platform, like Pelican type thing. And I kind of demolished their dreams. Like they they were like, Well, we could do this, we could do this. And I just said, I'm just going to tell all of you right now this is a pipe dream. I said, You I'll I'll and I kind of went into like what I thought was needed to pull something like that off. And they were just like, Oh wow, we're like way, way under what we actually think needs to be done. I said, I'm just telling you guys, like, you think Daily Wire got their got their got like off the ground with a couple of million dollars? No, they had a hundred million dollar angel investor. Yeah, they needed a hundred million of Zionist money to get off the ground. I said, I mean, you could maybe pull it off with five billion, but you're not pulling it off without that. Like, I I really like all the guys over at Pelican. There's no chance that that thing survives, though. It's just and that's just and and it's not like I love those guys, and I hope it's successful, and I hope that I'm proven wrong. It's just what do you see from Pelican? Do you even know they exist if you don't see a tweet from one of the guys on the platform? And they don't even, they're not even good promoters of their own stuff.

SPEAKER_02: 1:17:39

I have the app on my phone, and I I do pay for it. I haven't opened it in let's see, when do they launch? October 7th. I don't think I've opened it since October 15th.

SPEAKER_04: 1:17:53

I haven't seen Nick Cavazzo since I saw him in Detroit. Like, what happened to Nick Cavazzo's? Where is he or Tim Flanders?

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:02

Or any of them. Kennedy, I saw something Kennedy put out. Yeah, but he Kennedy now. I mean Kennedy had a obviously terrible like family situation there. But before that, he was putting out what twice a week. And I think I've maybe seen three videos total since him from him since.

SPEAKER_04: 1:18:23

Yeah, I haven't seen any Kennedy content on his own. So like these guys abandoned their YouTube channel and just moved over to Pelican, but nobody knows there's content on Pelican. There's no advertising budget whatsoever. So nobody even knows to go there.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:40

Um no, uh Redeemability, uh, that is the person who is in charge of it, but that is not the person who is funding it.

SPEAKER_04: 1:18:53

Yeah, I'm not gonna get into like the nitty-gritty of what they're doing over there. I'm I'm talking more from a promotional standpoint. Like the couple of times I heard about Pelican was when like they're like, oh, we got Charles Colomb on board, oh, we got Michael Haynes on board, oh, we got this one on board, we got we got Mass of the Ages on board, but like that initial announcement I see on Twitter, you know, I have not seen a single thing outside of Twitter, and that's because I follow Pelican Plus on Twitter, I follow Kennedy Hall on Twitter, I follow like if you don't follow those guys on Twitter, you don't know they exist. And that's that was kind of my my main issue with this whole thing. I was like, well, what's the advertising budget? Well, we're not gonna advertise like that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:34

Like, I don't know how this works.

SPEAKER_04: 1:19:38

I don't, I don't, I don't know how this works. Like, they uh look, I'll tell all you guys this is how it has to work. You need a couple of million to put into advertising on YouTube to plug your platform, it's gotta go out to every single person watching Catholic content. Anyone who watches YouTube needs to get an ad for Pelican Plus with something that. Makes you go, oh man, I wish I had that. Then you need um you need sponsors. Like they didn't want to bring sponsors in. They're like, nope, we don't want to have sponsors. That's the Jewish way of doing things.

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:13

And it's like ironic because I know for a fact the lawyers involved are Jewish, though.

SPEAKER_04: 1:20:18

But the point is, like, no, like you just have to be specific about who your sponsors are. Like, we are we are letting small Catholic businesses sponsor our show. We're not sponsoring gold companies, you know what I mean? Like, you just have to you just have to be picky and choosy about who your sponsors are, but you definitely need sponsors because there's no there's dude. I'm telling you guys right now, we have a bigger subscription base than Pelican does, us alone. We have more subscribe, we have more paid subscribers than Pelican does, and for sure. I don't know, I not even a question in my mind.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:00

Well, I mean, if they got the numbers from the person they thought they were gonna get the numbers from, you don't though.

SPEAKER_04: 1:21:08

That's the thing. I mean, I know, I know you don't though. If we had moved this entire after show over to Pelican, the we like the paid members we have, maybe 50% are following us. Maybe 50%. And the thing is, they're still going to get like our show would have still done the hour for free on YouTube and then been plugging the crap out of Pelican. These guys stopped doing free stuff on their YouTube channel, like they should be putting whatever content they're putting on Pelican, 30% of it should be for free. And then it's like, hey, if you want to watch the rest of this show, go to Pelican Plus and be a subscriber. Like, they're not none of them are doing that. So I don't know how this thing works.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:53

Honestly, looking at everything recently added to stream on their app, it's all it's all mass of the ages stuff from four years ago.

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:03

Yeah, because they are the ones who have tons, hours, they have thousand a thousand hours of content that was never released. Like they're putting out all the behind-the-scenes stuff that didn't make the final edit of the of the um documentary. So you gotta imagine that um what's his name has tons and tons of footage that he edited out. Like he probably probably could have done another episode or two with just footage that he had, right? So you know it's uh somebody asked if like if they grew and they were successful, would we consider joining them? No. Um, I would I would have to see they they just it they I would have to see a major fine. I would have to see a major investor come on board, a major investor come on board, and I would need guarantees. And I just did not see guarantees, like I I saw a crapshoot, and I Rob and I have worked really hard on this thing, and I wasn't about to gamble it away on a handshake, and that's what I felt, you know. So, I mean, I can't believe I'm telling all this, like, but it's just kind of it has nothing to do with the people that are there. I genuinely think I respect and love all the people involved in that project. It's more just an issue of advertising, and like who's going to even know you're over there? Like, they and the thing is, like, I I know from the conversations I have with them, like, I know streaming better than any of them.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:38

Like, I I know this business better than they would not allow us to do everything we do. It that was never gonna happen, Ant.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:49

They they need a person like me like saying what we need is what they need. Like, they need me to be like the program director or something. Like, I'm not the one thing I'm actually very good at is program directing. Like, I know what people find interesting, so like I know what Kennedy should be doing if he wants to bring an audience in. I know, like, I know what Nick Cavazzo should stick to if he wants to bring people in, and it's not politics. People aren't tuning into Nick Cavazzo's for politics. You if you want to do a politics show, you have to build a base audience of doing politics, and then those people follow you over. Like that's how that has to happen. You don't go to the new platform and then just start a new show doing something nobody knows you for. That's just not how it works. And I it's just there were there were too many issues like that that I was concerned with. So um, a good example of the crapshoot is the fact that they ran an ad saying you were on board after telling them you weren't. Yeah, we weren't happy about that. Um it it's it's like uh yeah, they're they you think you I don't know. Like if they didn't if they don't have a show like us though, like because there's somebody saying uh we're way too hot potato and they're like thing in the comfortable middle. Like, I I'm actually surprised where I'm having this conversation right now because I don't want anybody to think I'm gossiping. It's more I mean, this is just from a business perspective. Like, I just we would have been their best selling. Like, I we're not big enough to be your flagship show. Who what's their flagship over there? It's mass of the ages. They don't have one, mass of the ages, but like now the ages isn't producing new content.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:44

No, like I said, it's four-year-old interviews, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:25:47

Four-year-old interviews about the Latin mass, and most of them were most of yeah, four-year-old interviews about the Latin mass, and it's a it's cool, don't get me wrong, but like I'm gonna pay for that. Like, I'm I'm not, I don't know. I'm not I'm not gonna pay for that, you know? I just think they uh they they uh they don't know streaming, they don't know the business, and and they don't know good content. Like it's like like their whole thing is like we're not doing shock jock stuff, and that was kind of a shot at us. Like Kennedy said that he's like, We're not doing the typical shock jock stuff because like that that's what they consider us like shock jocks. It's like no Kennedy.

SPEAKER_02: 1:26:37

At this point, you're not really doing anything.

SPEAKER_04: 1:26:39

I don't know what he's doing because I don't see him, I have no idea what he's doing, but it's more of we're not shock jocks, I we're just interesting, and we make jokes, and I also think it's a little disingenuous to market it as a Catholic platform.

SPEAKER_02: 1:26:53

Why? Because the software is from the Calvinists, they're paying the Calvinists thousands of dollars a month for their software, like it's not it's legitimately not a Catholic app, it's a Calvinist app.

SPEAKER_04: 1:27:07

I'm okay. So um Liam said we all pay to be here. Uh oh no, Ela E Lang said that. Like, we all pay to be here, but you pay to be here because we're giving you something you will not get anywhere else. Like, I that's why you guys pay to be here. You pay to be here to hear conversations like this that are kind of behind-the-scenes stuff, and we're you know, this is this is what you're paying for. Like, there's nothing like this that you'll hear over there. I think you guys are all getting your money's worth with a conversation like this. I think this is kind of stuff you guys are interested in hearing. Like, this is kind of the hey, why didn't you guys join Pelican? Like, why would you not want to know that? I mean, if I if I watched our show, I would want to know like what were the reasons you chose not to go there. And I almost feel like I owe it to the people who pay to watch our show to give them an explanation because I waited a few months to talk about this because I never wanted to like stifle what they were doing, I wanted them to have as much space as they could to get this thing successful and working, and they could be. I don't know what the books are behind the behind the scenes, I have no idea what their financials are. I I just know I haven't seen anything that made me want to pay to see it at all. Like, I'm not paying for Pelican. I haven't seen anything to make me want to go there. And if you can't get me to want to go there, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:28:29

Yeah, I I thought I was gonna pay. I well, I I am paying for it because I thought the prayer app side was gonna be useful, but that's just a worse version of Hollow of Hallowed as well.

SPEAKER_04: 1:28:39

So the chant segment, it's just Peter Kważnevsky singing in his phone. Yeah, like you it they're like, oh, we have these polyphonic chants. It's literally Dr. K singing in his phone. You oh, the prayer app, it's Kennedy Hall praying the rosary. Knockhallow, I get that they have like this eastern spirituality to it, and it's a lot of like very Buddhist-y, but they know what they're doing in getting celebrities with good voices to deliver the prayers, and they have director doing it so that they have it's very well edited and all this stuff. Like, there's a reason they went about it that way, and there's a reason they're they have 11 million paid members. Like Hallow is like a freaking huge company, millions of paid subscribers.

SPEAKER_02: 1:29:35

Um said I paid because you all chill for being boomers. Whoever you are, I'm tracking you down and blocking you.

SPEAKER_01: 1:29:44

Joking.

SPEAKER_04: 1:29:45

Um, Proxima said you're funny, that's good. They have they have what they have also good, they have what cannot be gotten elsewhere. Who's are you talking about um Pelican?

SPEAKER_02: 1:29:57

Yeah, because Mr. Casey said she doesn't pay for it because literally everything they have is something you can get somewhere else for free.

SPEAKER_04: 1:30:04

So look, the the thing is, I don't this isn't um yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:09

Why did we get on this subject?

SPEAKER_04: 1:30:11

I don't know. I wish I didn't.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:15

Because we do want them to succeed.

SPEAKER_04: 1:30:17

Yes, I do. I actually do. I I I it's almost like I hope if they do hear that I said this stuff, they see it as constructive criticism. Like, go put some money into advertising. Show some of what you guys are doing behind like behind the pay, like put it out for free. Like, that's actually all I'm saying. Like, it's not that I'm criticizing what Kennedy's doing, I haven't seen it. Kennedy has to put half the show up for free and half behind a paywall. Nick Cabazzo has to, dude, Nick Cabazo's getting 20, 30,000 views on his videos before he went behind the paywall. So, like, go back to doing that. And and at the end of every one of those videos that has 20,000 views, you give a plug for Pelican. You're like, you guys, you guys are giving up this opportunity for advertising in your own members who should be your biggest advertisers. That's that's kind of my critique of it. It's not the content at all because I don't know what their content is. It's it's like the business model, um, I think needs to be tweaked and fixed. The only time I come across their stuff is when Pelican tweets it because Kennedy stopped tweeting. I barely see him on Twitter. Nick Cavaso stopped tweeting. I barely see any of these guys anywhere. The only person I see is the Pelican app, uh the Pelican Twitter handle.

SPEAKER_02: 1:31:33

I see um Cavaso's with his daily Facebook post on what happened on this day in the Civil War. That's both is he promoting Pelican?

SPEAKER_04: 1:31:42

No, that's crazy to me. That is crazy to me. Man, that's nuts. Um, what else did I want to do over here?

SPEAKER_02: 1:31:51

We have um uh you wanted me to tell my deep dark secrets. Um, what else?

SPEAKER_04: 1:31:56

Um, well, I it's not that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:31:59

Um I feel like we haven't um really uh attacked Michael Matt nearly enough.

SPEAKER_04: 1:32:06

My wife watched the YouTube show. She goes, Are you giving me access to this confession?

SPEAKER_05: 1:32:11

Because I said I'm gonna side um no, we yeah, we want to do Michael Matt.

SPEAKER_04: 1:32:36

Um and what else did we have? Uh um I mean we do there's so much crazy Zionist stuff out there, but I kind of don't want to talk about the Jews tonight.

SPEAKER_02: 1:32:51

We already have when uh you your story about Tampa, you talked about the Jews then. So you talked about how you talked about the Jews, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:33:05

But that's not like I don't I don't wanna like I like I was gonna get into the Joel Barry thing and the uh like the the Mike Huckabee, not even Mike Huckabee, the uh the rise of the far right in Europe is is a dangerous reaction from old Europeans about new Europeans coming into their countries. That guy basically talking about the whole reason behind immigration, yeah. New Europeans, yeah. The Mike Huckabee stuff. Um uh what else? Uh um oh my gosh, did you see the freaking wealthy Chinese baby thing?

SPEAKER_02: 1:33:54

Oh did you see that article? How they're all coming to America uh to American territories to have babies so that all their kids are citizens.

SPEAKER_04: 1:34:03

The surrogate program, yeah, like the international surrogate program. The Chinese are having like a single man will have 100 surrogate children in America and then just basically abandon half of them. Like it's so dark and twisted what's going on in the in the freaking IVF surrogacy thing. Oh, you want to hear Indian skiing? So I go, I go, I take my daughter skiing on Monday, and it's my first day teaching her to snowboard. And when I tell you 40% of the people on the mountain were Indian and Chinese, I was like, dude, skiing was the last vestige of white Americana, like it really was. It's like you go skiing, it costs a fortune. They charge$200 for a lift ticket, but it keeps the riffraff out. It's like you you don't even complain about the price of the ticket because you go there and you just around it's just the last place you go where it's just all white people. It's like you keep you keep the crazies from because every other place, like water parks and everything else, they they will have buses from the inner city bring out bring the ghetto to the water parks now. They'll give them discounted tickets, and you can't even enjoy a water park anymore because you might get stabbed or shot. So going to a ski resort was like the last place you could go where you you were still around, like just good people. This freaking implications, this mountain combination of statements. This mountain was flooded with Indians. And when I tell you, Rob, the most rude, obnoxious people I've ever been around in my life. Like that, it was like 400 of them trying to cut the line at once. Like they like we're all you're waiting online to get on the lift, and the place is packed because it's on Martin Luther King Day, that might have something to do with it, and they're just like skiing right past you and trying to get up the line. This one guy pushes into my daughter, and I just grabbed him. And I was like, if you come near me again or my daughter, you're going to lose your teeth. And I just push the kid back. Like I almost had a fist fight with a guy while I was there. I was livid the whole time. But the last time we went to a mountain and somebody cut cut the line in front of my daughter's, I snapped on the guy, and my daughter got so upset. She got like real this wasn't this last time, it was like a a year ago or two years ago, and my daughter got really upset. And she's like, she got scared that I was gonna get into a fight. So I was trying to not go too far with it, but I wanted to knock this guy's teeth out. No, it's not cool to have.

SPEAKER_02: 1:36:51

Um, someone uh someone says they clicked they watched the video tonight because of the uh the article I put in the thumbnail from Kristen Cordy. And we never plugged it, didn't even say anything about it.

SPEAKER_04: 1:37:05

Oh man. You know what? The conversation went good, but we should have plugged Chris and uh Christendom Cordily.

SPEAKER_02: 1:37:12

Those guys are from Minnesota, actually.

SPEAKER_04: 1:37:14

Very, very good substack. Um yeah, that was probably rude. Um, I'll plug him on, I'll I'll give him a shout out on Twitter though. Um, but I just thought the conversation kind of went I thought the YouTube conversation was good. Yeah. I think I think it was just good. It was just one of our shows where we riff, you know. Um yeah. Uh so what do you want to say about Michael Matt? Because you've been you've been ranting on Michael Matt.

SPEAKER_02: 1:37:45

Uh I don't know. It's it's just weird how uh and it's not just him, like I don't but between Pelican and him, and what what is with the Trads just imploding over the last six months?

SPEAKER_04: 1:38:04

Michael Matt is a really interesting case though, because he is tweeting things out that sound like liberal talking points, like legit liberal talking.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:15

And and they're in like he's doing it emotionally, and like for instance, uh, he saw one article somewhere that um said that uh the autopsy of Renee Good showed that she was shot four times, and he comes out with the tweet saying, You know, this is what this is what happens when you all jump to conclusions and say she was only shot three times. What now? What now? And uh and I reply to him, I'm like, You have an on you have a screenshot from an unverified article from an unverified source, and like you can slow down the video and listen to clearly just three shots. Don't you think you're jumping to conclusions? And he never took it down, never said anything, and then today, like, more information from the autopsy drops, and it was there was three shots. Okay, so but there was four holes due to there being one exit wound. Yeah, it's an exit wound. I'm like, and I I I replied to his tweet with this. I'm like, are you gonna take down your tweet now that you've been proven wrong? Like, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_04: 1:39:14

So a couple of things I want to address in the comments. So um MJC 1977 said they still like Michael Matt. I do too. Um, it's just strange how he's chosen to go about the past couple of weeks.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:27

Um then he has all these posts on Twitter. Like, here I here I am, you know, uh here in Minneapolis in our city, you know, and he he'll say our city and here in Minneapolis a dozen times in a tweet, you know, and he'll he'll he's trying to get you to make an an emotional reaction of him claiming that you know, here in my city, blah blah blah. And guess what? He lives 45 miles away, completely unconnected from Minneapolis. He does not live in Minneapolis or the Twin Cities at all. Well, I I one day.

SPEAKER_04: 1:40:00

I had said, um I I live 50 miles away from New York City, but I would still consider New York City my city.

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:09

Trust me, no one in Minnesota considers where he lives to be Minneapolis or the Twin Cities. He does he lives in the seven county metro area.

SPEAKER_04: 1:40:19

Yes. He lives in all rural. My connection to New York City is not proximity, it's connection to it because I've spent my whole life working in New York City, right? So like I spend my life working in the five bars.

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:33

But you make it very clear, very clear that you live on Long Island. Well, you don't tweet out with videos. When you when you do a video of like here's the Bronx at night, you know, you're like, here's here I am. Yeah, in in my city at night.

SPEAKER_04: 1:40:48

Yeah, I well, I'm not I'm not, yeah, I'm not I'm I'm I'm just trying to be charitable in in that I would I live 50 miles away from New York City, but I still like when when New York City was burning during the George Floyd rides, I like I was like, that's my city. Like I did have an attachment to it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:41:07

So I don't know what his connection to that city is like my home will always be, you know, where I grew up in the Twin Cities. Yeah. But I'm not here making you know an emotional plea to someone about you know, here in our city, because I don't live there anymore.

SPEAKER_04: 1:41:24

Yeah. Uh, and then the other one, Bropp said that uh didn't Daniel O'Connor say that that post was AI. So no, no. What Michael Matt did was he did, you know, a copy pasta post is, right? Where they like something will go on Facebook and you just copy like I did it today with McLovin. Like somebody somebody put up and said James Hetfield spoke out against Somalian immigration and like railed on Elon Omar, and I just deleted James Hetfield and put McLovin in there, and I just changed it to McLovin. Like I literally just did a copy pasta to it. Um, I think Michael Matt read a post on Facebook, had no idea it was a copy pasta post, read it and like like resonated with him, so he copied it and put it on his own. In other words, he pulled a boomer copy pasta and and said, Hey, this is a good read, and he posted it, not realizing what a copy pasta is. Like he wasn't doing it to troll, he did it because he thought it was a good read. And that has led people to look at Michael Matt like, man, you are out of touch. Like, do you really think young people can't buy houses because they're buying lattes and avocado toast? Like, you really think that's what it is? It's just such a very uh to the point where I read in my talk over the weekend, I read Majarian's tweet that we read on the show the other night, and then I read Michael Matt's tweet to juxtapose the two together. And I went, I think we all owe Michael Matt a debt of gratitude for the what he's done in the trad movement. This guy's been a soldier in it for years, but I don't think you could find a more out-of-touch tweet to write to young people who are struggling to figure out how to make their way in this world. And if you're going to look down on these young people and say, Well, the reason you can't do it is because you walk both ways uphill to school with your socks and in the snow. And if you're going to talk like that to these young guys, you're going to lose them. So I think that's where Michael Matt started this whole thing. And now the appeal to emotionalism on the immigration issue is very much making me see everything that we're saying in our episode on the city.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:28

It does it, it comes off even more when you're someone who was given a family business.

SPEAKER_04: 1:43:34

So remember the episode we did on Minneapolis, and my my point that episode was that we're being manipulated.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:43

And I'm watching Michael Matt fall for the manipulation, and then also manipulate trying to manipulate others, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:43:51

And right, so it's like a feeding machine, right? Like he's he falls for the manipulation, and then he goes and tries to manipulate it. That's kind of how this works, though. And but like there's a degree to which it's like, dude, if do you want this problem fixed? If you want the problem fixed, the things have to get done, and they're gonna be some ugly things, and there's gonna be some tensions, and it's just kind of gotta be like like do it like ripping off a band-aid, don't slow roll this thing. If anything, just go in and do it. Yeah, my issues with how they're doing it is that they don't if Trump has these freaking protests and people get like he needs to send an arsenal in there just to like shut up with doing this and just get it over with and get out of there and then let it all calm down. Like this constant presence of a mediocre force that's not enough to really quell the thing, but it's enough to aggravate people. That's my issue with it. Like, go in guns blazing and get this thing done and then get the hell out of there. Go break up all the Somalian fraud, go break up all the freaking oh, everything, get it all done, and then get out of there and let the let the place heal after. But this constant pressure cooker is where my issue comes in.

SPEAKER_02: 1:44:58

I mean, I I think they are doing that though. Yeah, I think we just wish it would happen faster. But I mean, they've arrested something like 10,000 of the Twin Cities, and that's I mean, the Twin Cities, then it's not small, but it's not New York City, New York City. Yeah, it's two and a half million people total in in the twin cities.

SPEAKER_04: 1:45:16

So John Paul said it like if Trump does this half-assed, forget they'll kill us in 2029. A civil war is gonna happen. Like he he you're gonna get a civil war if Trump does this half-assed.

SPEAKER_02: 1:45:28

Well, you're gonna get a civil war if it doesn't stop right now, you're gonna get a civil war, whether it's half-assed or all the way.

SPEAKER_04: 1:45:35

Yeah, so you might as well just get it done, and at least get the get these get the people out that came in, dude. At least get the people that came in under Biden. Like if you came in in the last four years, you're out. I don't care. It's one thing if you hear 10, 15 years, and it's like you you really are living a productive life. Like, you there's a case to be made there. If you came in in the last four years in that invasion that happened under the Biden administration, there's no question you gotta go. I'm sorry, you came in under some crazy situation where you guys were led to believe by these NGOs that you were gonna be able to flood our country. Sorry, that's not the case. Go back home. Like you haven't settled in here yet. I don't really care. You gotta go. You've been here for four years.

SPEAKER_02: 1:46:17

I mean, even St. Thomas Aquinas says it takes minimum three generations. Generations, yeah, right. So I'm I'm thinking as Catholics, we should at least be willing to have the discussion that maybe if you're first or second generation, no matter how long you've been here, maybe I would say first generation.

SPEAKER_04: 1:46:34

I'll I'll even I'll go, I'll even look, I'll even go first generation.

SPEAKER_02: 1:46:37

But the second generation, who were they raised by?

SPEAKER_04: 1:46:40

People who were not from America. I don't think second generation should vote. I think third generation can vote. I think I think first generation's gotta go. Second generation, you've got to get the but you can live here, but no citizen.

SPEAKER_02: 1:46:54

There you go.

SPEAKER_04: 1:46:54

Third generation, you can now you're a citizen and you can vote. That's like I think that's like the healthiest way to go about it because third generation, you're American at that point, you know, like you kind of are. You're you're you're you're in the American milieu at that point, but first generation, you're right. Like those, so like the the the the immigrant parent comes here, like the Chinese parents come here, their kid, they drive with that Chinese immigrant drive that they put in them.

SPEAKER_02: 1:47:24

Birthplace citizenship has to end.

SPEAKER_04: 1:47:27

I don't care if you were born here. I'm sorry, especially when you see what's going on with the surrogacy program. Like the reason they're using the surrogacy program is because they're having kids here that automatically get citizenship, and then once that kid hits 21, the parents can apply for citizenship in America. Yep. So they're basically having a dozen kids with surrogacy in America. They comes that baby comes with a birth certificate and and social security number, they bring them back to China, and then 20 years later, the whole family gets to apply for citizenship and they kind of get rushed in legally.

SPEAKER_02: 1:48:00

And even if guess what, even if they don't, even if those kids live in China their whole lives and are completely 100 Chinese and loyal to the Chinese Communist Party, they get a mail, they get a send a mail-in ballots for our election, guys. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:48:16

Wow, that's nuts. Yeah, literally in China, hundreds of babies that go back over there, they get mail-in ballots. Like, that's nuts.

SPEAKER_02: 1:48:25

You know, it's it's interesting that where that's starting to come to light. Um at the same time, like Tim Walls is going down. Can you rob? Can you put that?

SPEAKER_04: 1:48:36

They're asking me where do you see this article? I I put the article in there. Um Chinese buying babies and American citizenship. I'm just telling you guys, if you read this story, it gets dark. I think I should read it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:48:52

Uh in the first hold on. Settle down. You were gonna post the link. I was just gonna read through it quick.

SPEAKER_04: 1:49:02

This surrogacy program is so sick. In the foreseeable future, uh, China and the U.S. will be two of the strongest countries in the world. It will definitely be a win-win situation for your children in the future if they have both of these nationalities. Those were the words of a Chinese national speaking to NPR about the rising number of Chinese citizens turning to U.S. based surrogacy to have children. Uh, caseworker at the U.S. based surrogacy agency tailored to Chinese clients, added having children in the U.S. will always bring advantages because America is a country for immigrants. For these men and a growing cater of cadre, cadre of Chinese nationals, the primary benefit boils down to one word, citizenship. That was in 2022. As traditional birth tourism, traveling to the U.S. late in pregnancy to give birth and secure citizenship for a child began to wane. Hold on, think think about how crazy that sentence is. Yeah, a w a woman is nine months pregnant.

SPEAKER_02: 1:49:59

Like it's been happening so long, it's traditional now.

SPEAKER_04: 1:50:03

Well, while most developed nations prohibit international commercial surrogacy, the U.S., along with Ukraine, supports a thriving reproductive tourism industry. It allows foreign nationals to have children through American surrogate mothers and return home with that baby in a U.S. citizenship in hand. Once the baby turns 21, the entire family can apply for a citizenship through a green card application. A method one surrogacy agency notes that is a cheaper alternative to the American EB5 visa. I stumbled upon this phenomenon in 2022. All right, I want to get to this part. The problem is far worse than I initially imagined. Not only does the U.S. lack any federal law governing domestic or international surrogacy, but recent reporting suggests the industry is being scaled in ways that defy even its own justifications. Um as an unsettling Wall Street Journal investigation found that a growing number of ultra-wealthy Chinese nationals are using American surrogates to have as many children as possible, sometimes dozens at a time, and in extreme cases, more than a hundred. The motivations vary. One person having a hundred surrogate kids. Some view surrogacy as a way to secure heirs or build dynasties amid China's collapsing birth rate. Others openly describe plans to marry daughters strategically to consolidate wealth or large uh cohorts of children groomed for leadership in business and tech, and a striking reversal of the male preference for the one once-defined China's one-child policy. Some intended parents now deliberately select for girls, citing industries they believe increasingly favor female leadership. Think about that. The freaking way they've done with feminism and made it there now. It's like, oh, it might be more beneficial to put a woman in the tech industry because they're hiring women. Wall Street Journal illustrated this phenomenon through the case of Zhu Bo, a reclusive Chinese video game billionaire who has become a symbol of surrogacy's excess. Zhu, who lives in China, sought legal recognition as the parent of multiple children born through surrogates in 2023. As the journal reports, a California judge denied his request. It's an unusual move in a system where parent digital orders are typically routine, leaving several children in legal limbo at the time. Some of the children were being cared for by nannies by Southern California while awaiting documentation to travel abroad. So they leave the kids here, get their damn birth certificate, and then the kid just wallows here.

SPEAKER_01: 1:52:22

Oh no, no.

SPEAKER_04: 1:52:23

Up one. Oh uh when asked about the number of children he had. Uh network said that the 300 figure was wrong, but confirmed a stunning fact after many years of effort through surrogacy in the in the U.S. zoo has only had over a little over a hundred children. Only 100 children. This is not a case happening in isolation. Like this article is so freaking dark. This is nuts. And they're all saying Elon Musk was their inspiration. This is nuts, man. I cannot believe that the the the man-made horrors we are witnessing in our lifetime. Like the most depraved levels of evil. They're just selling these children, but you know how many of these kids go into sex slavery? How many of these kids, like especially the Chinese? Do you think about how many of the Chinese come here and they just put them right into massage parlors, things like that? Like this. This is the same thing. Dude, I'm telling you, in New York, there are Chinese rubbing thugs everywhere. Like, that's what they do. I mean, it's I'm sure it is Vietnamese, also, but it's Chinese, I promise you.

SPEAKER_02: 1:53:28

What's what's intrigued? It's kind of crazy this story because like there is talk kind of welling up from Chinese dissidents that um that they really believe the Chinese population figure that's been given out forever is way overinflated. Like there are Chinese dissidents who think it's possible that the real Chinese population number is half of what it's claimed to be right now.

SPEAKER_04: 1:54:03

That that especially with the one-child policy that they had for how many decades.

SPEAKER_02: 1:54:07

And and I I I had I I ran some numbers because I was I was curious. I'm like, if uh if we take if we take their population in 1950 and what they claim it to be now, right, like what kind of birth rates would that require, especially what we know from the Great Leap Forward, which killed potentially 50 million or more, 50 to 100 million people they think died in the Great Leap Forward. Um along with the like you said, the one child policy. And the it said more or less like in the first couple of decades before the one child policy and stuff, like that the the birth figures were like six five to six children, right? Per per couple. Um and that matches with with the what we what what they say the fertility rates were at the time.

SPEAKER_04: 1:55:07

But the you know, you don't know, like yeah, are the fertility rates we you know like right exactly super secretive, they lie about everything, they're trying to make you think they got a billion people to match and work with each other, but you have no independent way of really verifying them. Yeah, it's so dark this stuff, man. All right, well, we wanted to end early tonight. We didn't do that, we didn't end early, dude. Locals people, super grateful to you guys, man. We've had uh a lot of new local subs come on, and uh I hope you guys enjoy what we do here because we we really do want to make sure. Like I I've been talking to Rob about it. Like, I actually like our YouTube views are in the toilet, and I don't care at all because locals are still doing well. So it's like I I really don't care if we if we get 4,000 views on a video, as long as the people that are watching are like, hey, I want to continue watching what you guys are doing. Like, I'd rather like loyal lower viewers than like have a video do 30,000 views and nobody really cares to continue watching what we're doing.

SPEAKER_02: 1:56:21

Like like Benedict said, we'd rather be smaller but more fervent.

SPEAKER_04: 1:56:24

Yeah, yes, a smaller, more more devoted avoiding Babylon Cloro. Oh, that's that's pretty frequent now. A few times, yeah. It's not yeah, that's pretty frequent now. Uh he's actually talk, well, not talk, but you've you've messaged Milo. Yeah, me and Milo have texted each other and stuff. I honestly, whoever comes on first, Milo or Nick, that's the one that's the side we take in that war. Nick comes on first, we'll take Nick's side. Milo comes on first, we'll take Milo's side.

SPEAKER_02: 1:56:57

Here's the thing. I don't care if we get Candace Owen first. I'm never be on that side of the no.

SPEAKER_04: 1:57:02

I don't I don't I'll never have a woman on this show, Rob. Catherine's the only exception. Catherine's the only exception, she's the only one I'll ever have on here. Locals, no topics is the best cigar mode said. No topic turned into me telling you guys all the stuff I've been holding in and not saying about Pelican for half an hour. No topic.

SPEAKER_02: 1:57:28

Yeah, there wasn't. If we've ever had pre-conciliar radio on, uh pre-conciliar radio slash uh Ryan has a show because we had him on.

SPEAKER_04: 1:57:38

Yeah, we had him on once, but I'll be on with him next week. I'm going on his channel. Um, I'll be on, yeah, I'll be on Ryan's show next week. He's like, dude, I hope it's not too much. I'm like Ryan, honestly, man. When I I feel bad that whenever I shout out Latin Slavs, we don't also plug his show because Ryan's actually doing better than all of them. Ryan's channel gets traction. Like he's yeah, yeah, Ryan's doing really well. And uh he's not one of the younger guys, like he's a millennial, he's not Gen Z. Yeah, yeah, yeah but he's very he's very good at what he's doing, and there's definite potential for him to like be successful at this. So I want I was like, Ryan, I want I like all I want to do is see you be successful. So if there's anything I could do to help, I'll definitely come on and help. Uh his name's TLM Ryan on Twitter.

SPEAKER_02: 1:58:30

Uh he's been preconciliar radio.

SPEAKER_04: 1:58:33

Preconciliar radio on YouTube. Um, all right, we're gonna wrap this one up. No, I'm not gonna give the confession. That was uh it was just something that I uh it was about mistreating women in my youth that came up from one of the things I heard at the conference, and it just made me and I was just like, oh, I gotta go.

SPEAKER_03: 1:58:56

Who are you? Who do you think you are?

SPEAKER_04: 1:58:58

That you're just it was it was just yeah, whatever I'm not gonna get into it. Uh you know, it was a confession. That's it. Yeah, you're not supposed to. No, I'm not going to. But it was the well, I I wanted to express how awkward it was to tell a priest I know the story without getting into detail, but it was just yeah. Anyway. Um, we will see you guys. I'll see you guys on Tuesday afternoon with Joel Webin. That's my next show.

SPEAKER_02: 1:59:33

But then I will get to enjoy uh him basically do it all again with me.

SPEAKER_04: 1:59:39

I'm going to get some viral clips out of that video, though. Don't worry.

SPEAKER_02: 1:59:44

Are you going to uh hit him with some of the accusations against him? No. No, no, no, not accusations. You had some critiques of his him uh the s the scriptures he used to. Try to justify his debate.

SPEAKER_04: 2:00:03

I'm gonna talk to him about interracial marriage, but I also I think I'm going to try to uh talk to him about because I don't want it to be a Catholic versus Protestant debate, but I do think he's reasonable. And I want to kind of get to because he's very into the Christian patriarchy conversation. I want to, I want to get to the heart of like like does he see himself as a father to the souls of his church community? And I want to see if he understands why we call priests father and why priests are fatherly, you know, and I want to I want to be subtle about it, but I want to kind of you know get to him understanding what what that is.

SPEAKER_02: 2:00:39

You should ask him if a church community is or should be uh patriarchal.

SPEAKER_04: 2:00:46

Yeah. Like does I wanna know what does that mean? I want to know if he sees himself as a father to the if his the people in his church are his children, you know? I think it's an interesting way to go. Alright, kids. We will see you guys on Tuesday. Adios.

SPEAKER_01: 2:01:13

Because everyone gets bored with the usual stuff.

SPEAKER_00: 2:01:17

My God's reality is not the cowardly windish Christianity that you want to make it. My Christianity is the Christianity that I leaded Islamic jihad three times. My Christianity is the Christianity that conquered the Roman Empire. My Christianity is the kind of Christianity, the defeat of the pagan Vikings and the Northern Pagan tribes. My Christianity is the kind of Christianity, the defeat of the Roman Empire, the defeat of the beast of the seventh century, the defeat of the army beast, this way you see the Christianity, defeated the Muslim beat from Somalia. My Christianity is not the win. You're complaining about it because you are