Daniel O'Connor Exposes the AI & UFO Alien Deception (Full LOCALS Version)

Daniel O'Connor joins us to discuss the deception around aliens, UFO & UAP phenomena, AI, the day of disclosure, and how Catholics should discern the "signs and wonders" of our time within their faith. This conversation emphasizes the importance of a fervent approach to Christianity, highlighting why lukewarm Catholicism is no longer an option for the church. We explore these topics through a spiritual and theological lens, offering guidance for today's challenges.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Chaotic Intro And Housekeeping
• 4:55 Sponsors And Comic Relief
• 9:02 AI As Style, Slop, And Detection
• 13:45 Teaching In The Age Of Chatbots
• 22:32 The Great Chain Of Being Reaffirmed
• 28:30 Idols, Demons, And Modern Tech
• 35:12 Babel, Language Models, And Hype
• 42:05 Evolution’s Tie To Alien Belief
• 50:40 Rare Earth And Cosmic Improbability
• 58:12 Vatican Signals And New Religions
• 1:06:20 Catholic Platforms And Pushback
• 1:15:10 Spielberg, Sci‑Fi, And False Prophets
• 1:24:00 Antichrist Framing Via ET Narrative
• 1:33:20 Abductions As Demonic Vexations
• 1:42:10 Fulton Sheen And Leviathan Returns
• 1:51:30 Youth Awakening And True Priorities
• 2:00:45 Harari, AI Oracles, And “Religion”
• 2:09:10 Jerusalem, Third Temple, And ET Messiahs
• 2:18:30 Daily Wire, Zionism, And Catholic Messaging

Transcript

SPEAKER_05: 1:35

I didn't want to go to the end. What did I just watch? Daniel is respected in the community. How could you put that?

SPEAKER_03: 1:47

That's okay. You know, as an expert in AI, I can assure you that no, that was all real. There was no AI in.

SPEAKER_05: 1:55

I can I okay, so I never see the intro before Showtime. Taffy sends these to Rob, and Rob gives approval, just which I can't believe you approved that last three seconds, Rob.

SPEAKER_04: 2:06

Well, here's the thing. I watched until the Anthony Stein bit and laughed so hard and didn't watch until the end, so I didn't know I was gonna be where's my role, you know.

SPEAKER_05: 2:17

So well, here's the thing. I don't think Daniel's gonna be out.

SPEAKER_03: 2:25

Are we still alive or did YouTube shut us down yet?

SPEAKER_05: 2:28

That's what I'm wanting to so far still alive. Like I'll be more I'll be more amazed if Rob isn't fired into that video.

SPEAKER_04: 2:35

I'll be I'll be honest, Daffy. The well, the well part was maybe a little pushing it.

SPEAKER_05: 2:41

Yeah, I would say that was a bit much. Um, okay, it's avoiding Babylon, and you really never know what you're going to get on this channel, apparently.

SPEAKER_03: 2:50

Um Daniel O'Connor. I don't understand all the sim. I don't actually know what all the symbolism means, but I guess I I'm probably not in the uh conversation as much.

SPEAKER_05: 3:00

I guess it was highly symbolic, but I the gate at the end took me longer than it should have, honestly. But that first off, Taffy, it was a very long intro. Like we have to keep the intro. I know it's funny and comedic, and everybody everybody five times is just what perfect. So um, but Daniel O'Connor, I apologize if anything in that intro offended you.

SPEAKER_03: 3:20

Uh it was humorous, that's for sure. Okay, I'm gonna watch it a few more times, you know. It's gonna be my new uh soundtrack.

SPEAKER_05: 3:29

My my wife goes, Should I watch the show tonight? I'm like, uh, I I yeah, you'll probably find it interesting. Oh my gosh, I'm gonna have so much explaining to do at the end of this show. What does this mean? Aunt, what does that mean? Okay, um, all right. So, well, Daniel O'Connor, who uh has become a very good friend of the show at this point. Like, we we really do love Daniel, and it's very hard to get you on the show because you're such a busy man.

SPEAKER_03: 3:53

I've been telling Anthony for months and months and months. I'm coming on, and then I get I'm it's I'm just a complete wreck, you know. I'm always thinking I'm about to get back into it, and then like a wall falls down or something, and and like 800 other things. But finally, thank you for inviting me.

SPEAKER_05: 4:08

You're like us, like you have a you have a real job, like you're not like an influencer.

SPEAKER_03: 4:12

So I mean I am not an influencer, and I have no desire to be an influencer. Yeah, I just yeah, I teach, I have a job in the secular world, so that's that's what I do.

SPEAKER_05: 4:22

Yeah, same same with same with Rob and I, and what I and I was actually off today because um I I do I do uh utility work for like con Edison, we do paving for them, and they didn't want us paving today because there was snow on long uh in the city over the weekend, and they were worried that you know there would be issues. So I was home today, and what I realized is the days when I'm not working, it's kind of tricky for me to get into the rhythm of a show at 8 p.m. at night. So it's like thank god for my day job because I think it actually makes me better at this, strangely, oddly enough. But um, so okay, before before we get into anything, we do have some housekeeping to do. Um, we have two sponsors that sponsor our show. Which one do you want to do first, Rob? Let's do Requis at first, they're the oldest. So Recucent Sellers is the OG of sponsors for Avoiding Babylon. They have been supporting us for a very long time. We love ReckySent. Reckyson is owned by a Catholic family out in Washington. They have sat through intros like that for months and have not canceled their sponsorship. Um, but if you go to Reckys, we'll see how tonight goes. But uh go to ReckysonSellars.com and use code based at checkout for 10% off. February's coming, and I'm going to uh basically pressure them to get us 20% off for Valentine's Day because I think Valentine's Day is a wonderful time to get a discount on your on your wine as a gift for Valentine's Day. So uh February's coming up. I will get on that for you guys. But in the meantime, you get 10% off if you use code based at checkout. Requisonsellers.com. They also sell fruit, they are a wonderful, wonderful family. And I think it's important that we support Catholic entrepreneurs and look out for each other. There's not many other companies doing what, and especially the people who sponsor our show. Like, we have some very unique sponsors. We don't get your typical uh real estate for life or you know, uh feed ae for email or whatever, even though we'll give them free plugs just by saying that. But we should we should get uh one of those codes from from them because we do mention them pretty often, even without it. But recusandsellers.com, use code based at checkout. They are an amazing place to shop for wine. Uh, and then what's our second sponsor, Rob? I think you guys are gonna enjoy this. This is not a typical, this is not a typical ad read we're about to get into, right? Right. Here we go. Another tape. That was Taffy. You should be paid. Taffy should be paid for that.

SPEAKER_04: 7:36

That's actually I do have some bad news for Taffy. That was awesome, but Taffy uh they told me they're actually changing all their branding here this week.

SPEAKER_05: 7:45

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SPEAKER_04: 8:16

And both Ant and I actually do use both.

SPEAKER_05: 8:19

I use them, I use them every single day. My favorite right now is uh Cool Mint. So uh which ones do you like, Rob? Um, I've been doing the blood orange, but uh, I think Wintergreen is my favorite. Wintergreen's good too. So yeah, all right. Now now Knickknack has put out like 20% off or things. We get you guys 25% off. So if you guys want to give Nick Knack a try, use code AB25 for 25% off. Just make sure you put A B25 as your code. We uh we very much are appreciative of Nick Knack. Your sponsors are currently working on public relations statements to release when they are questioned about being seen on your channel.

SPEAKER_03: 8:57

To tell them to forward that forward that one to me as well.

SPEAKER_05: 8:59

So yeah, okay. All right, now to the show. So it is interesting that we use like Taffy uses so much AI to get into to introduce our show.

SPEAKER_03: 9:09

It's one good use of AI is funny memes, I'll admit that much.

SPEAKER_05: 9:13

Well, what's what's kind of interesting is AI is a tool, right? And it it's not because the way they present AI is as if there's this general intelligence, and they and they want us to believe that there is actually going to be I mean, do should we start with like the Yuval Harari clip or something, Rob? Because the things that that they're saying about AI, like it's it's it's worrisome in one aspect, but uh because I want to get your take on something I've been I've been thinking about a lot lately, Daniel, which is AI is right now it's basically just a uh a language model predictor. And the chat bots, anyways, yeah. The chat like the chat GPT and things like that. It's just a language model predictor. And you you can see Rob has pointed this out that like eventually that will kind of eat itself because the language prediction will come from other language prediction models, and eventually it's just when everything on the internet's AI generated and it's using all that to it's a negative feedback loop.

SPEAKER_03: 10:18

And I think we're already starting to see the results of that. I think it's hallucinating even more now than it used to. I mean it really I can't prove that, but it's constantly, constantly wrong.

SPEAKER_04: 10:27

It also is getting more and more like in some sense, uh when it first came out, it's very easy to tell what was AI and what wasn't in terms of writing. Then it got better, but now it's seen it it has in in every model has developed a single style between them all. When you read something, you in within two sentences, you know it was AI. You might not be able to point to it, but it just it has this style that is very unique.

SPEAKER_05: 10:55

What's interesting is Daniel's pretty good at picking that up, and I've seen a couple of things Daniel's pointed out lately. One is Mike Lewis's article that and it was like Daniel pulled Daniel basically ran it through an AI predictor, and he was like, This thing is saying like 99.9% certainty that Mike Lewis's article was AI, and also Michael Matt's tweet, Rob, was an AI written tweet, I think. So um, Daniel, what it what it what what made you even run those two through that predictor?

SPEAKER_03: 11:28

I you know, I don't read where Peter is. I can't remember how I even got on the website, but somehow Mike Lewis's hit piece on Father Ripiger just was on my screen. I obviously I clicked on it for some reason. And as soon as my eyes were on it, I thought I was reading an essay from one of my undergraduates who I get every like every semester, every class. I've got at least a couple who think they're gonna get past my rules and they're gonna use AI and they're not gonna get caught. And I always they don't realize how obvious it is. I've read thousands of pages of student papers by now just since Chat GPT came out. And it it's like I can tell the difference between Chat GPT and a 20-year-old who's never read any philosophy other than what we've already gone over in my class. And they're so it's the style, as Rob was saying, you can just smell it. And and right away I could just smell this and I could I could tell this, you know. I'm not saying Mike Lewis just went in and said, write me a whole essay and that was it. I'm saying ChatGPT clearly this was spit out by it. I'm not making that accusation because I don't want to get into all sorts of details. I'm just saying that's what it smelled like.

SPEAKER_11: 12:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 12:30

So I decided to run it through Pangrim Labs, which by the way, has been great. Uh Pangrim Labs, there's all sorts of AI detectors out there, and everybody says, oh, they're not they're not accurate. Yeah, some of them aren't. But I found Pangrim Labs to be really good so far, at least. Anything could change any day. But um I uh and you can um you can run stuff through it without paying like in a certain level. And uh I did I did get the paid here, but the the negative, the the sorry, the false positive rate on it is like almost nothing. It's and I I'm not saying it's definitive proof, but what I did, and I this this cost you know, this cost money, but I decided I want to see with my own eyes that this is accurate. So I took hundreds of pages of my own stuff, and uh I I don't want I'm not trying to toot my horn here. It's like there's nothing special about me just because I don't use AI to write. Most people don't. Um but the reason I ran my own stuff through it is just because I'm the only one from you know subjectively that I can absolutely say with absolute certainty this is not AI. So to prove, to you know, use as a case study, I ran hundreds of pages of my books through it. Every single solitary case. It detected it as fully human written. So if if Pangram Labs says that something's 100% certainty AI, yeah, that's not an ontological hundred percent certainty, but it's pretty it's pretty damning.

SPEAKER_05: 13:56

What what's that been like as a teacher? Yeah, you're a you're you're a teacher and you're now in the age where kids are just kind of running prompts through these language models. Like you're so you're you you have a very good like um detector already. How do the how do the students handle you approaching them and saying, come on, like what are you doing here?

SPEAKER_03: 14:19

It's it it's been everything. Some students right that they'll say right away, I I apologize, I don't know what I was thinking, and I'm always lenient with them. Um but then some students get defensive and they start accusing me, and I don't back down. Like I I I have taken this. I had one student recently who who was fighting against this. My my tell my saying, yeah, this is clearly AI stuff. And he took it all the way to the very top of the tree. He took it all, he I there had to be this review from high up in the college. Wow. And and I and I'm not I didn't withdraw my my claim. I'm not gonna do that because I knew, I know, I can smell AI. And uh at the end of all this big long drawn-out process, the college said, Yes, the professor's right, this this is AI. And uh you failed the class. So you gotta you gotta be bold with this. You can't tolerate AI slot, people putting it out there saying it's theirs. We gotta have zero tolerance for this.

SPEAKER_05: 15:16

Yeah, well, it's it's interesting because you have been on this, you were on this so early on, man. You were like one of the first people I was listening to. Like, I my my first introduction to you was you talking about these two main topics that we're gonna discuss tonight. One is uh this idea that there's going to be some some grand disclosure by the government and we're gonna find out that aliens exist, and also the one on AI. Um, and like you've been my go-to guy when when discussing this stuff, and you were on top of it so early on. Like, what were the first things that you caught that made you go, all right, I have to write a I have to write a book on this because this is this is a major issue.

SPEAKER_03: 15:58

One of the first so there were a couple things that got me really saying, not just this is bad, but like this is something I need to crusade against. One of them, and now I can't remember when exactly this was, but Obama came out and he said, Alien disclosure is gonna create new religions. And that just right away set off every alarm bell in my conscience that you can imagine. Obama's saying that this gonna this is gonna generate new religions. And he's not saying that as a warning. He's like, you know, it's just matter-of-fact. Like, oh, this is cool. And that's so diabolical, obviously. There's never gonna be a new religion. Uh we've got the true religion. There's never gonna be a new public revelation until the end of time. But then also that Vatican Nativity scene with the aliens in it, that's what realized that's what really what year was that? 2020 or 2021? Um now I can't remember exactly.

SPEAKER_05: 16:51

I forgot about that. That's what And and Francis coming out and saying we would baptize them, right?

SPEAKER_03: 16:58

2020. 2020, okay. So that really got me thinking, all right, this is not only a deception that's infiltrating the world, this is a deception that's infiltrating the church. And that's when I really get angry. Because the world is always falling for a BS. But when the church falls for it, when people in the Catholic Church are falling for it, when you can find it all the way up the hierarchy, that's when uh that's when I get furious and and um realize that this needs to be truly crusaded against. So that's when I got writing publicly against it. Um and then and then I I started writing so much that I realized I had to write a book about it, and that was 2023, and I've just been kind of crusading against it ever since.

SPEAKER_05: 17:38

What what's what's amazing is that um because we all um have like people we have that we go to for certain topics, and um I like I this weekend I was asked to speak at a conference. We'll talk we'll talk about the conference on locals tonight. I don't I don't want to do it here, but um there are like there are certain people I go to that I know I can trust on certain topics, but what I've noticed is it's almost never the hierarchy talking about these super important topics that one like something that you're talking about, uh, some of the stuff Rob and I have been talking about, even some of the stuff uh that's that's in in the conversation with young people right now. It's almost like the hierarchy is in this days where they're still talking about Vatican II and synodality, and it's like the the world is like shaking at its core right now. A lot of us are basically anticipating the coming of the antichrist any day now, and the and the and the church seems to just want to discuss Vatican II, synodality, and some of the most absurd things, and it's just it it's scary at times when when all we want to do is hear from our fathers about what we should be worried about right now, and and and they're just completely oblivious to it.

SPEAKER_03: 18:55

Yeah, fiddling, fiddling while Rome burns, you know, uh rearranging the deck chairs and the Titanic as it goes down. Choose your choose your metaphor, but it's exactly what we see. Uh the world, you know, in 1903, Pope St. Pius X said that the world, and this was an encyclical, this was um Ke Supreme, he said that uh the world had become more engrossed in apostasy from God than ever before in the whole history of the world. Has have things gotten better since 1903? I mean, would anybody in his right mind say yes? So when we try to look at the present crisis through a purely temporal lens, that's crazy. This is this is not something we can solve at committees or or focusing more on Vatican II or something. We've got to get uh existentially serious about this.

SPEAKER_05: 19:47

Um somebody's saying your audio's off. It sounds fine to me and Rob. Um is anybody else getting that? To me, it's fine.

SPEAKER_03: 19:55

Alright, let me switch my mic here real quick and see if that helps.

SPEAKER_05: 19:58

Um

SPEAKER_03: 20:00

All right. I just switched my mic. It's well it's the same.

SPEAKER_05: 20:03

I mean, you've you sounded you sounded better beforehand.

SPEAKER_03: 20:06

I sounded better before.

SPEAKER_05: 20:08

No, everybody said no, no no no. Everybody's saying audio is fine. Don't so we just have we have one guy just complaining.

SPEAKER_04: 20:13

I think I think every once in a while the the camera stutters, so the audio can be a little off from the camera, but oh well.

SPEAKER_05: 20:20

Yeah, everybody's saying sounds fine, sounds fine. Okay, yeah, we got a ton of people saying sounds fine.

SPEAKER_03: 20:24

Okay, um tell just let me if I should switch back to my other mic and I'll do that.

SPEAKER_05: 20:27

But for I guess for now, I think I mean to me and Rob, you sound fine. So um okay, so all right. Well, what I wanted to ask about AI before we get to aliens, yes, guys, that they're asking if we're gonna get to it. We will, absolutely. Um, with with the AI thing, um I'm part of my concern is that we are creating a body for something that already exists, right? Like we I think the last time you were on, we talked about how like the church has always had a category for non-human intelligences. And it's as if modern man, because they're in such a materialist mindset, they have no category for this, which then lends to them talking about alien. Because I think aliens and AI are so deeply connected. Like the two things are very, very, very tightly woven together. And part of me worries that what they're doing is creating a body for a spirit to inhabit. And I and I do think that is a danger, right? Because what you what what idol worship was in the ancient world is they would build some kind of an image, and then a spirit would actually imbue that image. Or I don't know if I'm using the right word there, but yeah, like a spirit would would attach itself to that image, and I'm I'm a little worried that with the AI stuff, yes, it could just be some ridiculous language model that consumes itself, but the other worry is that we're creating a system for some spirit to come into and then start feeding us something really from the depths of hell.

SPEAKER_03: 21:57

It's exactly what we're doing, and we're doing it in the exact same way that the ancient pagans did. We just think that we're above the influence now because we have science, and it's but it's it's identical. And on the surface level, AI and aliens have nothing to do with each other, but at on a deeper level, they're the exact same deception, just two different channels of it, the NHI deception. You cannot insert new categories into the great chain of being. Why? Because the great chain of being is divine revelation and its sacred tradition, both of which, of course, are infallible. Uh the sensus fidelium is infallible, the sense of the faithful, which has always been unanimous on the great chain of being, from inanimate matter to plants to animals, to humans, to angels, to God. That's reality. That's everything there is. You can't just insert a new category in there because some knucklehead says disclosure or says AGI. No. Um, we there when we're dealing with a non-human intelligence, the cat, the Christian faith is absolutely clear, the Catholic faith is absolutely clear. A non-human intelligence is either an angel or a demon. That's it. There's no other possibilities there. So when we do create, that's exactly what we're doing, Anthony, is when we create, when we buy into this deception that there could be uh aliens or AI, we're creating a void. We're creating a vacuum for uh deception to enter into, just as the ancient pagans did. They worship their idols, and their idols didn't just sit there uh and do nothing. In fact, they actually did move and they did speak. Why? Not technologically, just like AI will never actually be rational, but because it was demonic. And Augustine, in fact, I happen to have the quote right in front of me. He said that these were gods made by men, that is to say, demons, through some art of I know not what description, bound by chains of their own lusts to images. And Augustine says this happened all across the world before Christianity, that the idols that they worshipped actually would speak and would come alive. And that's people think, oh, we would never fall into that again, would we? We already are. We're treating an inanimate, dumb hunk of matter, a large language module. We're treating it as if it's a person. And it's not just, you know, yes, I'm concerned about the mark of the beast and the image of the beast. I do think that's coming. But you don't need to just have future prognostications here. Just look at what's already happening. Look at the chatbots, look at the AI companions. People are already have entering into relationship with AI.

SPEAKER_04: 24:29

I think it's it's interesting that you have an event like um like the Tower of Babel, so wrapped up in language and human languages and the breaking of human languages into multiple. Now we have these language, you know, these large language models that are gathering all of human language and and works together in some sort of weird unification of it. Almost like that.

SPEAKER_03: 24:51

Well, that's exactly apocalyptic, yeah. It's it's it's symmetric to Genesis in multiple ways. The you know, I obviously my main thesis here is it's the first and last deception, but also it's the new Babel. They thought uh, you know, Babel, they thought they could build the tower to reach the heavens and it focuses on language, and that's exactly what they're doing with AI. They think they can build this tower to reach the heavens, namely to access all knowledge. The people, serious people, serious scientists actually think AI is going to unlock the secrets of the universe for us, when in fact it can't even do what a seven-year-old kid can do.

SPEAKER_05: 25:27

Well, what's super interesting is uh to people today, because we we believe that there's one God. And I think I think a lot of modern readers of scripture and a lot of uh people who live in the modern world are so um they live in such a materialist world and they have such a uh a view of scripture that is affect uh that is kind of like influenced by the sola scriptura Protestant way of reading it, that we almost think that the that the the demons in the ancient world just weren't real, right? Right. And and that they that they weren't real, that there was only one God, and and these statues and idols that they worship, they weren't real, but in a very real sense, they were, right? They these were demons and they had oracles that would prophesy, and people would offer sacrifice to these idols, and they would get re they would get something from them. It's uh and I think modern man has no category for this in their brain. They don't get that these demons were real, and and and that what we're doing now is bringing those demons back.

SPEAKER_03: 26:38

Yeah, and we spent so much time thinking all we have to do is refute atheism, and yes, we do need to refute atheism, but we didn't think about what will happen when we convince people there is more, there is the anomalous, there is the amazing, but we don't warn them against the demonic. They still think there's no demons, so they they just chase headlong after anything anomalous, and that's the key word now. Uh that you know, there's we've got all these Catholics promoting UFO deception as if it's a great thing because they just love anything anomalous because they think anything anomalous is just automatically good. No. When it's anomalous, that means you have to enter into discernment mode to see if it's angelic or demonic. And nobody's doing that in you uh in in the whole UFO AI stuff. They're just gobbling it up. They are just so giddily accepting it without the faintest clue that the demonic is being invited in. It's it's like a it's like a high-tech Ouija board, really.

SPEAKER_05: 27:34

Now you you pay attention to like the this world way more than I do, but I know there uh like uh on Sean Ryan's show, that woman went on. Um, I can't remember her name. Um was it Basulka? Yes. Now she wrote a book talking about how um basically that these these things, the the the phenomena of alien abduction is stuff that you could actually trace back. And the best place you could go is if you read the accounts of the saints and that she but her position is that like these were alien encounters back in the Middle Ages, they weren't demonic encounters. Like, what what do you make of her even being platformed on these big shows like Sean Ryan and things like that?

SPEAKER_03: 28:16

And Joe Rogan, she was on Joe Rogan, the biggest podcast in the world. So she has become the de facto Catholic representative of UFOogy, which I think the danger of that, you can't even you can't exaggerate it because this what she's promoting is a is the platform of the Antichrist, plain and simple. She's promoting this idea that we can re-evaluate, rewrite all of biblical history, all of salvation history. Basically, her thesis is oh, you know, back in those unscientific times, we called all of this demonic or angelic. But now that we have quantum physics, and now that we can put physics on it, now that we have now that we're more scientific, we understand that it's really the non the interdimensional non-human intelligence. And what that does is that makes you inject a false category into the gray chain of being, as we were talking about a minute ago. A gray category. No pun intended, the you know, the grays being the gray aliens, yeah. But the the the thing is, gray areas only exist with the natural. When when, you know, um I I got sin and goodness in me. Hopefully I've got some goodness in me. I know I got sin in there. But with with the with the the non-human intelligence is there's no gray. It's a hundred percent good or a hundred percent bad. There's no, it's black and white. There's the discernment is just is it one or the other? Is it demonic or is it angelic? So you open yourself up to being deceived when you are even when you even begin the dialogue. And that's why the fall happened, because Eve began a dialogue. She never should have even dialogued with the non-human intelligence, because none of us are up to that. No one is ready to dialogue with the devil.

SPEAKER_05: 29:58

Even even when you see all of these, um all of all in like uh when they have in Congress, they'll they'll ask these basically CIA plants, right? These guys are all they're all central intelligence agency guys, and they go in when they give their testimony, they never actually say things like we found alien life from another planet. They never say anything like that, they always describe them as non-human intelligences, and and they're very careful in how they describe them. They they'll say, uh, we found biotic matter, like weird words that I had never heard before. But then you go and watch the testimony of this guy before Congress, and he just starts saying these strange phrases that clearly mean these things are not from another planet at all, whatsoever.

SPEAKER_03: 30:48

They're just I don't I don't I don't even I don't know what to even make them the non-yeah, they're trying to make non-human intelligence become the new word for space alien because um, all right, how am I gonna make biologics?

SPEAKER_05: 31:00

That's the word.

SPEAKER_03: 31:01

So biologics, yeah. The thing is that the non-human intelligence is becoming the new word because they real, you know, the devil, even even um even amid the times of the antichrist, the devil will always be chained. He will always have limits in his on his power. He he'll never be able to work a true miracle, he'll never be able to truly become incarnate. So even amid the peak of the Great Deception itself, aliens will not, so-called aliens will not be walking around in bodily form having dinner with us or anything like that. The devil's not capable of that. So we're being groomed to accept this more as the interdimensional non-human intelligence idea. And I think that that language shift is because it's so soon now. They're trying to shift the pendulum away from fiction and into Congress. And they are they want us to be open to communications from the non-human intelligences. Uh, the Antichrist, I who knows exactly, I certainly don't, but I think he'll be presented as either an extraterrestrial or as an emissary of the extraterrestrials, but of course he'll just be a man. Oh, really? Oh wow.

SPEAKER_05: 32:02

Oh, you you think that much, you think it's that it's that deep.

SPEAKER_03: 32:06

That's I think he'll I think he'll at least claim to be either himself of extraterrestrial origin or an emissary of the extraterrestrials. And why? Because he will as much as possible ape the things of Christ. That's why he's the antichrist. He imitates Christ as much as possible, but in a in a completely inverted way. Jesus really was not from Earth, he really was from God the Father. What's the secular, uh, atheistic, pseudo-religious way of doing that? The ET deception and the AI aspect of it being the image of the beast.

SPEAKER_05: 32:42

There's so many places we have to go in this interview. Okay, so so we have to get to like Jimmy Aiken talking about aliens. We have to get to Matt Frad not not uh canceling his interview with you. But before we get to any of that, like stick around, guys. Like we're just putting this interview's going a lot of places. Um so we have we have also this documentary that comes out, The Age of Disclosure. We also have the Steven Spielberg movie coming out, right? So so Daniel and I were talking in the green room a little bit and um talking about how um man, uh because I I this is how we even wrap this one together. So the the the the conversation uh that we're going to do on the other side is going to be a lot about um uh uh Christian Zionism. We're gonna talk about kind of the Daily Wire and their new framing of things, but there's also this element where all these documentaries are being put forward, and even the Steven Spielberg movie, it almost seems like they are presenting this stuff because it's a preparation for this messianic figure that's going to come, right?

SPEAKER_03: 33:52

We have been prepared to place our messianic hope in the non-human intelligences for decades now. And when you think about the Jews, why did the Jews reject Jesus? Well, a number of reasons, but I think I actually brought this up the last time I was on a void in Babylon that one of the chief reasons the Pharisees gave is they said, When the Christ comes, uh sorry, they said to Jesus, We know where you are from, because you know he was the son of Mary. But they said, When the Christ comes, no one will know where he came from. But none of the authentic prophecies of the Old Testament said that. This was a deception of the Jews at that time, that this idea that he'll have to just pop out of nowhere from from uh you know the the extra some extraterrestrial source. And I my theory is that a contingent of Jews has been waiting for what, 4,000 years now because they have this false idea, and of course this is all prophesied, of what to expect from the messiah. And I think they're waiting for an extraterrestrial messiah, which is exactly what the biggest some of the biggest names in UFO are doing now. We've got um Avi Loeb is one of the biggest UFO promoters in the world right now. He's a celebrity Harvard astrophysicist. He was the guy who thought the recent comet was an alien.

SPEAKER_04: 35:17

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 35:17

He went major.

SPEAKER_05: 35:18

Oh, okay, okay, okay, yeah, yeah. Now I know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_03: 35:21

Now, I don't know if he said anything about that since so I did a since it just went by and passed. It's just a comet, yeah. So it's like obvious he's always trying to. There was some other comment several years before that that he was saying was an alien, and he's always saying he found aliens. But um all none of the failures seem to decrease his fame. Why? Well, he's a Harvard celebrity astrophysicist, he's he's top of the UFO uh arena. Um, but he says very explicitly that the Messiah is coming on a UFO, and he's a Jew. He's an ethnic Jew, he's probably an atheist like most Jews today, but he's a an ethnic Jew who knows his religion enough to know that Judaism is still awaiting the Messiah. And of course, many prophecies speak of them wrongly regarding the Antichrist as the Messiah, but that's exactly what the Antichrist will want to do. Win over the whole world, yes, but I think starting with the Jews who are still awaiting it. So Avi Loeb, he um he came out. Let me see if I have it on my screen. This is just this month.

SPEAKER_05: 36:25

Let me let me just can can can Daniel share anything, Rob?

SPEAKER_03: 36:28

You know, I could put, I don't know if this will work, but I could try putting it on my screen if I'm the uh if I'm is that showing up? Yeah, yep.

SPEAKER_04: 36:38

So let me make you bigger here.

SPEAKER_03: 36:40

Okay. Okay, there you go. Shoot, I'm gonna I'm starting to go down a rabbit hole right now. I shouldn't have to do it. Do it, take us on a journey before let's go. This is what everyone wants.

SPEAKER_05: 36:50

Take it away.

SPEAKER_03: 36:50

I don't know the less you have to talk, the better. All right, so here we go. Um one thing, let me uh real quick back to my face for a sec. So one thing that went viral recently was this Bank of England thing. Oh, we have that story. We're gonna talk about that. That'll actually tie us right into this, into what I was about to do.

SPEAKER_05: 37:08

All right, do you want to bring that up first?

SPEAKER_03: 37:09

And and and well, let him talk. Let me hold on. Now I lost now. I lost my screen. I can't see you guys. Oh, okay. So I found this again. This is a classic avoiding Babylon. I got I gotta plug my other screen back in, and I'm dealing with a number of technical issues here. You guys might be able to see there's a cinder block behind me. I had to rip down my wall here because the pipe bursts because it was cold, and it's yeah, it's look better than my studio, you're good. Um, so this thing, this news story went viral recently about this Bank of England analyst who said we gotta prepare financially for UFO disclosure. But that analyst herself, I didn't see anything really said about her, but I know her. She's a I mean, I don't know her personally, but she's a big shot UFologist. She spoke at a number of UFO conferences, even the chief UFO conference, the Sol Conference. And um she's been writing about this, promoting this deception for years. And here's her first article. This was back in 2022. This is the Bank of England analyst who said we got to prepare for financially for UFO disclosure. Here's where she broke into the um the fray here. As far as I know, at least. This is this is the earliest article of hers that I'm aware of. Helen McGraw. Is that legible?

unknown: 38:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 38:27

If I that's that's big enough. Okay. So she starts with her, she starts her UFO article with a quote from Carl Sagan, who was one of the earlier in the modern era, that is, earlier uh ET deception promoters. He didn't believe in physical UFOs, but he was a big promoter of the more general ET deception. He thought we were going to be saved by uh radio contact from aliens. But he talks, so she starts this article quoting Carl Sagan about how how arrogant, how it's a neglective evidence and a shameful resistance to knowledge to believe that the universe was made for us. And I'll pause there for a moment because that's so central to this lie that there's aliens, this deception that aliens exist, that we need to remake the whole great chain of being, uh, because of this thesis. It's a rejection of uh the essence of creation, which is that God infinitely birthed and perfect and blessed in himself in a plan of sheer goodness, he created the universe. Why? Because of this foreseen plan that he would he knew he'd become incarnate, he knew all of this beforehand. The whole plan of the universe is 100% about human beings. God made man specifically. Jesus Christ is the one who sums up all things in heaven and on earth and under the earth. So the Antichrist, with his one lie of aliens, he knows he's much smarter than any of us. He realizes he can dismantle the whole the whole construct. And I don't mean that in negative, but he he can dismantle the whole of sacred tradition. Honestly, with this one lie. And the ET promoters themselves, the UFO promoters themselves, they realize this. The more the the more serious of them, the big shots, they realize full well that promoting belief in aliens, especially aliens here, the UFO deception, uh, it undermines the whole Christian cosmology. It really does.

SPEAKER_05: 40:21

Do you do you before you jump in any further? Um, do you do you see a connection? Because this is one of the things that like really affected me was the people who push evolution. It's almost like the the the same people who are Catholic, like these are Catholics who want to convince me that evolution is totally acceptable to uh believe as a Catholic, are they seem to be the same people who are like, well, aliens are possible. Like, because I I don't I I see those things as very connected, and that if you think life evolved on Earth, you must also think life evolved other places in the universe. And I think evolution was one of those things that they needed to convince us of in order for us to like let that first domino fall, and now you see the dominoes falling on other planets, and that like I don't see a separation between those topics. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03: 41:18

Oh man, you just made me write down like four things now that I need to make sure I when I'm jotton down notes because I gotta make sure I don't forget something.

SPEAKER_05: 41:26

I love how you just got me going.

SPEAKER_03: 41:27

You guys better settle down for a few hours. You better all right. But okay, so there's an uh evangelical by the name of Gary Bates. He actually wrote a whole book on belief in aliens and the connection to you to uh evolution. And now I can't remember what it's called, but if you know if you look up Gary Bates, it'll come right back.

SPEAKER_04: 41:44

Gary Bates, you said I'll look that up.

SPEAKER_03: 41:46

I think it's alien intrusion, come to think of it. And I just the subtitle has evolution right in it. And he's absolutely right about that. This belief in aliens is very tied to belief in evolution. And um Stanley Jockey was a I quote him all the time. If you've seen my videos before, I'm sure you're probably bored to hear me say this because I've quoted it before, but he was this legendary uh Catholic priest, physicist, monk theologian, professor. I mean, he was amazing. Um, but he said that this idea of aliens, that the he so he was uh a world-renowned scientist, this guy. So he traveled in all these circles that Catholic priests theologians don't usually travel in. So he was invited to the head of SETI, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence.

SPEAKER_04: 42:31

That book you were right, it's alien intrusion, UFOs, and the evolution connection.

SPEAKER_03: 42:34

Oh, that's exact that's literally what it's called. Okay, so yeah. So get so the evangelicals are absolutely right about that. The problem is only Catholicism is gonna save you from this because the evangelicals fall into a different deception, which hopefully I'll remember to get to because I've got it on my piece of paper here. But um what was I just saying? Oh, yeah, so SETI and Father Jockey. So SETI is a search for extraterrestrial intelligence, and it's a it's an official government-backed search for aliens. It's crazy that we have this, but it's been very heavily funded since at least the 60s. It was started by Dr. Frank Drake, and he came up with a famous Drake equation, which supposedly proves that there's all sorts of aliens in the galaxy. It's a typical pseudoscientific BS masquerading as actual science. But um, he said that his search for extraterrestrial the whole search for extraterrestrial intelligence was motivated by a search for immortality. Oh, wow. And you think of scripture that fear of what has enslaved humanity throughout all history? Fear of death.

SPEAKER_05: 43:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 43:36

And what did the what did the serpent promise in the garden? You will die. Surely you won't die. Yeah. Immortality is the chief deception of the Antichrist. We will not die. And so no death and godlike knowledge are the two chief promises of the serpent in the garden. And those are the two chief promises that we get now through the NHI deception in both its UFO E T varieties and its AAI variety. So Frank Drake, he starts the search for extraterrestrial intelligence explicitly, he's very explicit about this. He says, We are searching for uh the Encyclopedia Galactica that will give us the key for that the aliens will give us the key to immortality with it. And um, so Dr. uh sorry, Father Jockey, he goes around in these SETI circles and he reports back that the they are desperate to find proof of aliens because that they think will prove that humanity also is just a random product of evolution. So they think that if only they can show that life, uh, that intelligent life especially exists in multiple places in the universe, that it's going to be a refutation of this uh of the truth, namely that of course God made us. So very, yeah, very, very connected deceptions here. And the chief, um, the chief scientific way that we can rule out aliens is the rare earth hypothesis, which is more just the rare earth truth, that the mere uh impossible mathematical scientific impossibility of what we have here on earth, it doesn't matter if there is a trillion times as many planets as they say there are, there's still a mathematically zero percent chance of even a life, even an intelligent life-amenable planet existing anywhere else, much less life actually so-called evolving, which I mean the like just the moon, which is 186,000 miles away.

SPEAKER_04: 45:28

If it was a few hundred miles closer, I'm even the moon planning itself is a different subject, but if it was a few hundred miles closer or further, the tides would be such where life would be impossible on earth.

SPEAKER_03: 45:43

Father Jockey has like a whole book on that about the moon itself. Maybe he doesn't have a whole book, but uh he wrote a lot about it. That that just the moon is so impossibly perfect that it alone refutes any notion that we weren't specifically designed here.

SPEAKER_05: 45:59

What's really interesting about what you're saying is that uh I Rob, it might have been you that pointed this out to me that all of the things you even see, like Elon talking about with uh oh, in the future with AI, we you won't need to work anymore. It's it's almost like everything you see they're doing, they're trying to reverse the curse from the Garden of Eden, right? Like the punishments, the punishments of the fall are like man has to toil in the garden, and women will have to experience childbirth, uh pain and childbirth. And they're like, Oh, we're gonna have these pods where we grow children, and you're like everything they're doing seems to want to undo the curse from the fall.

SPEAKER_03: 46:36

It's the antigenesis, and that's why uh disclosure, the very word disclosure is the same word for revelation, apocalypse, and uncle and uncovering.

SPEAKER_04: 46:45

Yeah, you're right. Yeah, disclose, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 46:47

And it's it's the antigenesis and it's the anti-revelation. Yeah, the unveiling. The um, and this is yeah, their disclosure is equally true for AI and UFO stuff. Sorry.

SPEAKER_05: 47:00

No, no, no. Just we're just I never put that together. That disclosure means unveiling, which unveiling apocalypse, an apocalypse, apocalypse, right?

SPEAKER_03: 47:08

A disclosure, uh, an unveiling. So it's it's the it is the secular revelation, it's the secular substitute for divine revelation, and it purports to give everything that divine revelation gives, but without any without any of the dogmatic or moral baggage.

SPEAKER_05: 47:24

The crazy thing is like the the secular religion, because it is a secular religion, right? Like they have their end times with climate change, they have their holy days of obligation. Oh no, no.

SPEAKER_04: 47:35

Climate change went away as soon as they needed data centers for AI. Right.

SPEAKER_03: 47:40

It's funny how this has suddenly overtaken everything.

SPEAKER_05: 47:44

But it is it is funny. Like people think, especially the atheists, that somebody even just said before they were like atheists love pointing out how insignificant they are, but they need to believe that, right? It's the only thing if you ever point out how perfect the world is for us, it it kind of refutes atheism in general. Like, I I've I I remember looking at a sunrise one time and being like, How can you look at that and not believe in God? You know, it's just so perfectly tuned for us.

SPEAKER_04: 48:15

The moon exact size for that distance away for it to cover the sun. Are you joking me?

SPEAKER_05: 48:21

Like, but we were in like a chilly place, and I was sitting in in the sunrise, and as I felt the warmth of the sun come up, I was just like, Man, even when you're in a cold place, the warmth of that sun, like God really did tune this planet perfectly for us, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 48:37

It's like everything you gotta have the eyes of faith to see that, though. As Fulton Sheen said, you know, the science of the times, especially today, can only be understood through the eyes of faith. And of course, what you say has always been true, but an atheist would look at the exact same thing and see it in a radically different light. And of course, he's deceived. But you've got to uh what's the phrase, touch grass? You know, yeah, you gotta touch grass sometimes, and then that'll remind you of what God has done for us.

SPEAKER_05: 49:03

I derailed you like nine times, but you wrote a bunch of notes down. So go back to your notes and make sure you cover all the points.

SPEAKER_03: 49:08

Oh, good. All right, well, no, please derail me more often, otherwise I will never stop. Um, but what where what were we talking? What were we talking about? I don't well, I do have a few notes.

SPEAKER_05: 49:20

Bank of England.

SPEAKER_03: 49:20

Bank of England, the Bank of England. Okay, that's where you were going. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so Bank of England, Gary Bates. All right, we did Gary Bates, Seti. Okay, SETI, okay, Seti, Father Jockey. All right, so Father Jockey was SETI, and that'll bring us back to this. So Father Jockey, God rest his soul, he died, um, I think 2009 or something, but he warned that these I don't have the exact quote. But he said, be he said, behind these bravados about extraterrestrials, you either see the strategy of the devil or you remain blind. So he said, You've got to be blind to not see that the devil is behind this contemporary push for belief in aliens.

SPEAKER_04: 49:57

And he said this decades before now, you know, when it's gotten a million times worse than when he was to clarify for everyone, he was talking about SETI, SLC, search for extraterrestrial intelligence.

SPEAKER_05: 50:11

The SETA are aliens, clearly uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 50:18

Oh man, there's more I could say, but what's going on with Seti right now? We're gonna play the Hararian clip, man.

SPEAKER_05: 50:22

No, no, so what yeah, what we were talking about is the connection between uh evolution and um and the belief in aliens, right? Like so, because that that one is really important to me. And then you you kind of took us down a little road with with father because of that.

SPEAKER_03: 50:36

So okay, so that yeah, so he sees this need to discover aliens as part of as this confirmation of evolution and and hence a confirmation that there is no God, that we are a blind, that we're just a chance uh result of chance. But he also said that the devil is clearly behind this, and that just as he deceived Eve in the beginning, I wish I had the quote, but so too he does the same now, which is more deceptive than ever. Why? Because it wears the guise of science now. So the ultimate deception is going to wear the guise of science. And why? Because of not just not because of just arbitrary pseudoscience, not not so much that, yeah, although it's it certainly will be pseudoscientific, of course, because science itself is of course a good and it, you know, faith never contradicts reason. We all know that. But um the modern myth with script which scripture says men will wander back into the into the end times, in the end times, the myth that we will wander into, what is the prevailing myth? What you know, the the myth meaning the great story, the story that undergirds contemporary fascination, it's science fiction. If you ask me, the great modern myth is science fiction. And if you want to find a replacement for religion, in and what what is a replacement for religion? It it's what people get giddy about, it's what people put their existential excitement in. What do they do that in today more than ever before? Aliens and AI, yeah, in a s in a in a from a science fiction standpoint. They've been molded by Hollywood, especially for the last 60 years, to wait for AI to become truly rational and for aliens to disclose themselves. And all of that is reaching this head right now, today. So um the all right. So the next thing in my notes that I had there, I can go back to any time, but let me pause so I don't talk too long without handing it back to you.

SPEAKER_05: 52:39

Well, I don't want I don't want to jump you off of that because you you're you're you're taking us down some some really interesting paths. I'm I'm I am wondering, man, because especially when you get to like the because while we're talking about evolution and stuff, I won't I don't I don't want to miss that, but like there was this really weird stuff that like Jimmy Aiken was talking about about aliens, and then it seemed like Matt Frad was going to have you on his show, and then somebody behind the scenes told him, Don't have Daniel on. Clearly, that happened. Do you have any uh like do you have any guesses as to why that would be? Do you think it was just like somebody in his locals chat didn't want one of his donors or something? Like, what do you think is that resistance to you talking about this stuff comes from it from the mainstream Catholic world? What do you what do you think that comes from?

SPEAKER_03: 53:29

My wife gave me a name and she's very intuitive, but I shouldn't say it because she's not claiming it was a divine revelation, but she thinks she knows.

SPEAKER_05: 53:40

Speaking of divine revelation, you know how okay. So Daniel texted me and he goes, Hey, I had a dream you were gonna cancel the show. I woke up this morning and going, because I'm off today, and I'm like, should we push Daniel? You just wanted the whole day off. I was so close to pushing you off, and then you texted me that and I went, No, we're doing this show. I you just wanted to prove I wasn't a prophet. You wanted to prove it. The dream wasn't that far off. The thought the thought was totally going through my head to push it off, and I'm like, no, we really need to do this tonight. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03: 54:08

So I literally name and but you don't want to say it publicly, but you think she she has an idea, and it's a big Catholic ink name, and um uh may or maybe Bench Bero, who knows? I think this was before the Daily Wire stuff, but I don't know who knows how long that was in the works. Um Frank Thorn. Who who knows?

SPEAKER_05: 54:29

I think I think it probably probably was that that that would be my and I don't think your wife's crazy to think that, and I I it's there for some reason Trent doesn't like that. Come on, all right, for whatever. I don't want to I don't want to get you into any drama with Trent or anything, but I'm sure he's a great guy.

SPEAKER_03: 54:45

I mean, I don't I don't know him uh personally. I'm sure he's a great guy, but uh but and and again I really don't know who who got me canceled, but the point, and it's not about me, I'm I'm not important. The point is the big Catholic platforms just don't want the other side to be given for some reason. Like it's not even allowed to be discussed the possibility that maybe we can conclude that there are no aliens and all of this. And and I'm not condemning anyone as a heretic just for believing in aliens, as much as I do believe the faith rules it out. I I understand that there hasn't been an explicit ex cathedra proclamation like completely spelling it out. So I'm not saying you're a formal heretic if you believe in aliens. I think you're wrong, and I think I can prove you're wrong from the face. But stupid. You're dumb.

SPEAKER_04: 55:35

You're not gonna go to hell for thinking about like you think we landed on the moon, you idiot.

SPEAKER_03: 55:41

You're also allowed to believe two plus two equals five. Sure. But uh, but yeah, it's it's just it's not allowed. And I hope to change that soon. I'm working on some big things right now, which I'm not allowed to publicly discuss just yet, but I'm hoping to change this soon. That that I hope to just force this into the mainstream. You hope to get them all declared. Yes, that in fact I'm not personally declared.

SPEAKER_05: 56:05

No, it's it's just it's it's just a strange thing to me that like because this you this topic seems like something like as Catholics, we should actually explore and we should especially if there are things in in sacred tradition and especially if there's things in the catechism, because I know you've pointed several things out in the catechism that should exclude this stuff, but in in general, it just it is another attempt to make man seem insignificant, right? And the idea that if there's life on other planets, like Christ came to redeem man. So now if there's this intelligent life on other planets that is rational, like are they also fallen? Like, do they, of course, they have to be fallen. We're in a fallen universe, we're not just in a fallen world, like the whole universe is fallen. So it brings a ton of really important questions up. And it's a it's bizarre to me that guys in the mainstream don't actually want to tackle this issue and discuss it and figure out is there an approach that we as Catholics need to actually stand by something? And it's almost like it they're hedging their bets in case there is a disclosure, that they can go, oh, we're Catholics, we believe in science, we can still play along with this nonsense.

SPEAKER_03: 57:17

And that's why I'm not condemning that. Like, I think they have admirable motives somewhere. I think that they're worried that there might be a disclosure, which yes, there will be, but it'll be a lie. And they don't want Catholicism to be refuted. Now, and I honor that. Obviously, Catholicism is absolutely true, nothing can refute it. That's you will I will I will shed every drop of my blood before ever denying a single teaching of the faith. But so I I admire that that they want to make sure Catholicism is never refuted. But you can't, but they don't realize how circular their reasoning is. They're presupposing the validity, the the ontological validity of disclosure while saying while hedging their bets against disclosure. You can't do that. You can't presuppose this is a valid concern in seeking to fight to uh hedge against this concern. It's not a valid concern, and merely having this concern is itself a major avenue for deception. And you know, Catholic Answers has this explainer on their website, and every Catholic-themed alien article links to it, and and they treat it as if it's the magisterium. I don't know who wrote it, it's some explainer on the Catholic Answers website that says there's no Catholic stance on aliens. If there's aliens, it's fine, blah, blah, blah. You know, it's the typical apologist drivel on this that refuses to at all engage with reality. And that's there was just a crisis magazine article that that just quoted it as if that's the answer. Like that's the answer to the Catholic alien question.

SPEAKER_05: 58:40

One of the biggest arguments I have with with Eric Salmons is over this stuff because and that's kind of what made me put the connection together is Eric Salmons and his obsession with evolution. And because what I found is that guys more in the mainstream, what they'll say is, oh, it's perfectly acceptable as a Catholic to not believe in evolution or believe in evolution. Both of you know, both positions are acceptable, but then they'll talk about guys who kind of look at evolution like it's absurd, like we're dumb. Right. Right. And and the connection is like if you think aliens don't exist, you're also dumb. And it it is very frustrating for me as someone who's just like, I like evolution is just the like the secular creation story. Why would you even care about what the secular creation story is? God gave us a creation story, that's the one you should focus on. And the reason they're giving you that creation story is so that you could believe their other nonsense and BS they're giving us.

SPEAKER_03: 59:35

Right. And it's just it's crazy. You know, a scientific theory's validity is judged on a number of levels, but also perhaps most importantly, its ability to predict the future. And evolution has never once predicted the future. We've never been able to say, okay, here's what will evolve next out of this species that we currently observe. Never once. So we don't have a single prediction that's been verified based on it. We don't have a single uh piece in the fossil record that's that's verified there's intermediary species we don't have the slightest we don't have a single example of information actual ordered information being added to the genome through a random mutation there's no scientific evidence for it not to mention the the theological problems chaotic sis chaotic systems by by their very nature decay they don't evolve and and get more ordered they become less ordered right we don't we don't have we you know we didn't have um fewer we have few more and more people wearing glasses now not fewer and fewer you know genetics don't get better over time it's that's not how thermodynamics works but yeah so the this idea it it's kind of like um it's ugly to not believe in aliens it it's uncool it's it's not it's it's making us irrelevant is the concern yeah it's against science so they don't even engage with the and evolution I mean I don't believe in evolution at all but I think there's even more problems with alien belief more even more theological problems with alien belief. In fact I can't think of a single domain in the faith that you can actually reasonably reconcile with aliens whether it's eschatology protology Mariology Christology ecclesiology um pneumatology every single major domain of Catholic theology is actually ruined by believing in aliens why because everything centers on God made man God made man Son of Mary Jesus of Nazareth not Jesus of Aquarius or Alpha Centauri or whatever. It's all about the incarnation of Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_05: 1:01:41

It's it it actually is like I don't like uh that they all say oh it wouldn't disprove Catholicism no actually like it it it it doesn't disprove Catholicism first off because it's not true but it it really does de-emphasize the importance of the incarnation right right like Christ became man Christ didn't become some alien species on another planet Christ became man because God created man to be a wedding gift for his son. And it's a really important thing that but when people start playing around with this idea that there's intelligent life on other planets so intelligent that they can travel light years to come to our planet which means they're they're created more intelligent than we are more rational than we are like I don't I don't get how that is not problematic for Catholics to discuss.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:33

Now we do have I think it I think it actually does disprove because of Catholicism because if we're saying that you know the Catholic dogma is that everything that is that is necessary to be saved is contained in holy scripture right yeah but yet another rational species existing in the universe uh seems to change the very nature of salvation and that's that's what Father Thomas might excuse me sorry choking my coffee it's definitely not because what you might have put in there before the show we were late in the show while Daniel's coughing we were like there's something about like people like coming and hanging with us as they get the call yeah we all agreed you know to be laid back today so yeah it's laid back it's fun we're hanging out don't worry um but yeah go ahead I want to make sure I don't cut you off sorry I went down the wrong pipe there I think I'm good I'll probably have to have another conflict in a minute but um no I was gonna say Rob uh Father Thomas Wynandy is one of the greatest theologians alive and he agrees with you he says I mean he doesn't he's of course 100% Catholic he doesn't believe it's even remotely possible for Catholicism to be disproved but as a clear as a mere hypothetical he says yes if there's aliens that disproves Christianity. And um again don't be scandalized by that he's absolutely emphatically absolutely saying there are no aliens so he's not he's not wondering if Christianity will be disproved. It's a Pauline hypothetical you know St. Paul in scripture he says if Christ is not raised then then your faith is in vain. St. Paul wasn't wondering if Christ actually wasn't raised it's like saying if the Pope can err in you know uh right ex-cather and faith immortals then that deproves Catholicism and it does right right right so yeah and and and that's I I absolutely respect that I've never gone that far just because I I want to be I haven't uh I've thought about this endlessly for many years now obviously but I still don't feel like I've fully explored every single thing. I'm absolutely 100% certain there are no aliens.

SPEAKER_05: 1:04:36

I've just I've never gone so far as to say if there are Catholic disproved um well the the kind of the point you're presenting to everyone and I think it's a very important point is that they are going to try to convince you there are aliens, right? Right like this is what the thesis of Daniel's work really comes down to is that they are going to try and convince you there are aliens. They're talking about the age of disclosure the day of disclosure and Daniel's point is that no this is a deception this is going to be the thing they use to try to unmoor your faith and it is very important that you actually think because the way AI is developing the way the technology is developing they can make it seem very realistic and the whole thing is going to be nonsense.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:19

Absolutely and this is what scripture warns us against Second Thessalonians it says there will be a strong delusion with false signs and wonders that doesn't mean true miracles but it means they'll seem like true miracles if you're not discerning from a solidly Catholic standpoint. And I'm not interested in purely academic debates. I I couldn't care less about how many you know to to borrow a phrase from our enemies whatever I couldn't care less how many angels could dance on the head of a needle. And I know that phrase is used to mock us but like I I care about things that are going to concretely affect your salvation in the days ahead. And I'm warning about this not because I just abstractly want people to agree with me. I'm warning about this because I really think the time is coming when we're going to be officially told that aliens exist and they have this message for us. And I've obviously I've been warning about this for many years now and I'm not a prophet I don't know the future but it just seems to be getting closer and closer with every passing year this deception. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:19

Do you think there's a a connection between um all this like this this alien deception stuff as well as the the push in recent years to decriminalize and legalize weed and DMT and other psychedelics that can you know change how you see and perceive things.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:37

Yeah I in fact I can't remember if I talked about this in a webcast or an article but the um the number of people who now have their fundamental ability to discern objective reality radically uh hampered by psychoactive drugs is uh changing the dynamics of the world. And I agree with you completely Rob that this has got to be connected the more people on psychotropic drugs the easier it is to institute deception because they are already so unhinged from reality through their drug abuse. Man, if you can get weed legal and now they're trying to legalize mushrooms because oh because pain relates oh stop it. You can get rid of pain with there's a million drugs in the market now that'll get rid of any pain no matter how bad. And I'm not saying they're good for you. I'm just saying they exist. To say that we suddenly need to have people doing mushrooms left and right to make them happy or to get rid of their knee pain this is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_05: 1:07:33

Yeah you know everybody that's that's been taking these hallucinogenics has the has these stories where this is where people are encountering these gray beings and plus once again very much overlap trying to remove pain is just once again a doing you know the fall the curse of the fall that's true yeah tell me I can't take my advil Rob uh Daniel we do have this question I want to get to after seeing the trailer to the movie the disclosure um or I think it might be day don't get me started on Spielberg uh Spielberg oh my goodness this is gonna be a few more hours how much do you think his new movie will not contrast Catholicism when is your documentary coming out this year because you do have a documentary that you put together and I and I've been waiting for that also so uh yeah yeah I hope to be able to say more about that pretty soon uh a couple a few big things are in the works right now I I can't say it just yet but stay tuned definitely this year one way or the other um something significant might be happening there. Do you think Spielberg's movie is going to be a way to knock and trash our faith unfortunately it's not I wish that's all it was because that would be easy.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:38

It's easy to refute people trashing our faith it's going to be the opposite it's going to be superficially respecting Catholicism but using Catholicism as a vehicle of deception. And that is even more dangerous than trashing the faith we're used to refuting trash people trashing the faith they've been doing that for decades and decades now.

SPEAKER_05: 1:08:56

Spielberg and this is speculation I haven't seen the movie I've all I've seen is the same one minute two minute trail you should we should we could show it I guess uh I don't know it's up to you guys okay we're gonna play something I want to play the Uval Harari clip okay because I think that's super interesting because it kind of goes back to what we were talking about earlier. Let's let's do that okay we'll save that oh you want to play that now or do you want to I want to play the Uval Harari clip and I and there's a ton of stuff I want to also get to on the after show because I like what you even what what you're saying here about like that when people trash the faith it's easy to refute the problem comes when you have Catholics presenting you with something exactly is going to give so much energy to the Catholic promoters of the deception this is I I think before we get to Harari real quick I believe Spielberg is one of the chief false prophets of the Great Deception.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:51

Oh wow his and people are gonna think I'm a crazy idiot for saying this because they love Spielberg because everyone loves to be entertained and Spielberg is the chief entertainer in the world today. He's by far the top director Hollywood is by far the chief entertainer he is the unquestioned supreme master of entertainment today. He in my opinion is the chief promoter of the Great Deception. Why? Because as I said what we talked about this 15 minutes ago the the the the myths which we will wander into are science fiction and Spielberg's entire career yes and I enjoyed Indiana Jones as much as anyone I'm not condemning you for enjoying any of this stuff. I I have as well um but his career the bookends of his career the climax of his career it is all about aliens his first movie which one E.T. E.T. was he the Close Encounters Close Encounters yes but what nobody knows about is his first movie his absolute first ever movie when he was only 18 years old it was called Firelight and it was about this heroic and no one has the original footage by the way there's a few clips of it on YouTube and that's it. But the gist of it is there's this heroic guy who's fighting for getting the government to acknowledge that aliens exist and are here and because and he has these UFO experiences and basically my thesis is that he is going to try this movie that he's coming out with in five months now uh disclosure day is what it's called he wants to be himself the hero of the first movie he ever made and he was 18 years old 60 almost 60 years ago and he has been molding us like no like no one else through Close Encounters of the Third Kind, ET the extraterrestrial and then AI artificial intelligence he had us all crying over David the a the AI because David and this was 20 I forgot about that yeah this was like 25 years ago I I think it was 2000 it came out maybe but the the the what I don't know if it's the climax or not but perhaps the turning point of that movie was this thing called the flesh fair and the you have to realize that part of your battle is realizing that the bad guys in movies like this are actually the good guys. So the bad guy the chief bad guy in his AI movie is this uh character called Lord Johnson and Lord Johnson has these big fairs where they just demolish machines and Lord Johnson gives a speech right there in the middle of AI saying they are mocking us they are mocking God's children they are mocking God's creation so Spielberg has the chief antagonist the chief bad guy of of his AI movie be a devout Christian who sees the presentation of AI as human as a mockery of God's creation and that is Spielberg in a nutshell there with the AI deception it's it's an anti-story right it's it's an inverted story where the where the AI is the good humane one and the humans are inhumane it's really insane how they've man these movies really do have to but because it's a movie we all sympathize with it we identify with it and we don't realize how much it's forming us you are being yeah they have a deep psychological subconscious effect on us where you actually now empathize with the AI over the human it's inverted storytelling man that's crazy he did it expertly and perfectly and nobody even realized it happened to them the AI screams out I'm a real boy it screams he says I'm a real boy and his AI uh friend the the AI prostitute played by Jude Law his final words are I am as he's being taken away by the humans I am the the you know the God's sovereign I so this and the movie starts by a discussion of God creating Adam and this gets back to the Kabbalah and the and the golem and and goodness I'm where I'm gonna take us way off. No we're gonna do that on the other side we're talking Kabbalah we're doing it we're doing AI deception started with the the these Kabbalistic Jews who believed that their goal was to modern AI started with these these Kabbalistic Jews at MIT who thought that through AI they were heeding God's commands. So God made man as an image in his own image and they said they believe that their calling at the end of time is to make AI in man's image to themselves become God. Yeah and they are explicit about that and that's those were the fathers of the modern AI movement. All right we're going to the other side we're doing this on the other side because I want to what was I talking what were we talking about 10 minutes ago five minutes ago this time we were going to do the Yval Harari clip and then we got Spielberg brought us to Harari that was all better anyways. All right so Spielberg this has been his thing the whole time and now he's coming out with his uh his Magnum opus disclosure day and I believe that he is going to you he's a Jew but he's gonna use Catholicism as his vehicle for presenting the great deception in his greatest movie yet which will be his most deceiving movie yet. That's what I think is going to happen.

SPEAKER_05: 1:15:11

So the the thing is um the this is a very important thing that I want to talk about on the other side too because the the what I've been watching happening in the Catholic world is um you're seeing a lot of Catholics get grouped together with certain entities because they want to present something that is kind of true and it's Catholic like I watched in unison this week Matt Frad Michael Knowles and now Isabel Brown all came out with a form of uh Catholic teaching that is against Christian Zionism with a but and I watched all of them come out in a few days' time as if there was a planning meeting behind the scenes where they said okay we need to repair the Daily Wire image and this is what is acceptable to be presented to the public where we say no no no uh the church is the new Israel but and that's what I would like to talk about on the other side because I think it's actually kind of important uh you have anything Rob I have two questions from the audience that I that I think would be good to get to they're from two friends of the show.

SPEAKER_03: 1:16:18

Um so first uh is from our local Protestant who will be probably uh joining RCA whether he knows it or not uh this um so he brings up uh the abductions alien abductions how do you help people who claim to have been abducted by aliens and have real trauma uh there's so many and I have interviewed so many now and they they fall they always fall into two categories there's there's no third category this is the key here there are those who realize that what happened to them was a demonic deception and they've found healing and there are those who don't realize that and they've become completely new age. Those are the only two categories. So this is there there are no aliens but there are many so-called alien abductions and this is just the modern guise for demonic uh I'm not saying full-blown possession necessarily that's relatively rare still but at least obsession vexation and so on and so forth. Um and what people don't realize is that they think that a physical mark for example is proof that this is a uh uh a f uh not a demonic phenomenon that it must be aliens no it uh ask any exorcist you don't even have to be full blown possessed vexation and obsessation uh obsession the demons can attack you especially at night but any time and they will leave burns and scrapes and things like that you can't go out of an experience like that and think oh I have a burn or a scrape or something there's some physical uh difference in my room like one guy I was talking to he says I was I I woke up wearing a whole different pair of pants as I went to bed it's like guys that's not a proof that there's aliens demons do weird stuff like that all the time and especially stuff like that they can mess with your your mind and right yeah they can do they can there's several different things they can that the demons are fully within their capabilities to do they cannot become truly incarnate they cannot work a true miracle but they can mess with your sense impressions they can't enter directly into your mind or will that's God's sovereign territory but they can enter you know the phantasms the imagination the things that are kind of in your neurochemistry kind of above your mind itself they have access to that they can mess with your sense impressions they can mess with your imagination they can mess with the light photons as they go through the air or the sound waves as they go through the air and to cap it all off they can actually temporarily assume an ephemeral body from the air molecules there. So they can seem and this is what all these UFO sightings I mean 99% of them are just some natural thing that was misinterpreted but the remaining 1% or 5% or whatever the demons can rearrange the molecules in the air and create an actual physical body that doesn't mean that it's actually a it's not what it appears to be. So it's not hosting a soul or anything right it's not hosting a soul they can never do that that that that's beyond their capabilities and they can't so that would be ET encounters in the most severe et encounters the demon was actually for reasons known to God alone was actually given permission to assume a temporarily assume an ephemeral body and um that's that's disconcerting of course that the devils or the demons are allowed to do that now but also we're told that there will come a time with these false signs and wonders and things like that have happened before but they're happening even more today I believe with UFO sightings the same thing can happen just on a bigger scale.

SPEAKER_05: 1:19:50

Yeah in the end times God will unbound the demons like there's a there's a period where they're bound and Christianity spreads And and things like that. And as the Christian altars erect, the demons are bound in the depths. But at the end times, those demons are going to be released upon the earth. I mean, you go you go and read Apocalypse 9, and it talks about the star who falls from heaven and opens the key to the abyss, and those things come about on the earth. Like, what do you think we're witnessing right now? You're just seeing real. You're seeing the return of these ancient pagan deities coming back and having having authority on the earth once again. And the church is no longer, the church is no longer performing her um like going around and marching incense and performing exorcisms like we once did, like or Eucharistic processions, or Eucharistic processions, yeah. All of our all of our all the things we did to put these demons at bay are ceasing to bless bells. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:52

And don't forget, don't forget COVID, where the universal sacrifice of the mass was publicly suspended like never before in the whole history of the church. And that I am still convinced created a spiritual black hole that has yet to explode. I mean, we are not yet seeing the full effects of that.

SPEAKER_04: 1:21:09

I don't know about everyone else, but I still feel it. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:12

Like there's been something since COVID that is. And I don't get into the whole evangelical, like, when did the seven-year trib start? Like, I don't know. I I try to keep it more general than that. And obviously, I don't believe in the rapture or anything like that. That's all evangelical stuff that's not true. But um, but they are right in in principle, the evangelicals, God bless them. You know, I love their zeal. They're they're certainly right about this this these prophecies coming to fruition, and it's spoken of in scripture, but Fulton Sheen said it best. And you just made me think of it, Anthony, and I and I was looking through my pile here and I have it. He said, This was his famous 1947 prophecy, which everybody has heard a couple quotes from. But you gotta look at the whole address. Uh, if you Google it, like 1947, Fulton Sheen, uh I can't remember, I think it was a radio address as usual, but um, it's you know, it's uh I've got a big chunk of it from my book. But Fulton Sheen said that the Antichrist basically is coming. He will set up a counter church, which will be the ape of the church, because he, the devil, is the ape of God. And a lot of us have heard that line already from Fulton Sheen's 1947 prophecy, that it will be reverse and emptied of its divine content. But he also said, concluding that same address, Fulton Sheen, he said that the uh the value of the trial will be to set us apart. And he said, The times of tr these are times of trouble, troubles, and it is not so much a third world war that is to be feared, but rather the rebirth of Leviathan, the coming of the days of the beast. And then he quotes a poet Henri Heinrich Heilm, who says, Once the taming talisman, the cross is broken, the savagery of the old battlers will flare up again, then the old stone gods will rise from forgotten rubble and rub the dust of a thousand years from their eyes, and Thor will leap up with his giant hammer and start smashing Gothic cathedrals. Wow. There you go. Fulton Sheen said that in the birth of the Cold War, and we are now at its conclusion. 1947. Roswell happened in 47. And that was Roswell, and that was Israel. Everything started. And the CIA was created in 1944. And CIA. We are ending the period. I believe that we are now coming to the conclusion of the period that began in 1947, and that the climax of this conclusion will be the day of disclosure, which will be a lie, a deception, the great deception, the strong delusion of Second Thessalonians. Lieutenant Sheen says this is not the third world war. Yeah, that's coming too, but that's nothing. Don't even worry about that.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:58

Those of you who wished Anthony wouldn't blackpill. Um, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_10: 1:24:02

Oh, I love it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:24:04

Let's go, I love it. Let's talk about the apocalypse. We uh Coptic Josh did ask, he said, is it possible that the NWO is losing control with this mass awakening with the young people and finding all this out? What happens if God steps in and stops this? What if they fail? I'll let Daniel answer that in a second, but I I don't know if they're losing control, but I think the mass awakening of young people and finding this out is really just a grace from God, in that God is always looking to save souls, right? So, no matter how bad things get in the church, you still see people drawn to Catholicism. God is always at work, regardless of the plans of men. So, I mean that's absolutely yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:41

Don't you know, and and you know, so I just said, you know, the don't worry about the third world war, worry about the the rebirth of Leviathan, as Fulton said. Well, don't even worry about that. Worry about eternal salvation, eternal eternal damnation, because even the apocalyptic events are nothing compared to those two realities, which are always in front of us. So God's ultimate work in the world is always the salvation of the individual soul, and he's always doing that, even until the end of time. Um, that let that always be your primary concern. Your salvation and the salvation of as many other souls as you can possibly achieve in the meantime. Um, you know, the the apocalyptic considerations, I think obviously I think that's very serious, but that's always background.

SPEAKER_05: 1:25:18

Foreground people think I'm people think I'm blackpilling on the apocalypse, but I'm like, I'm excited, I want to see the end of the story.

SPEAKER_03: 1:25:26

Yeah, no, it's black pilling and white pilling. And you know, there's this is a big debate thing, but I I I I have no no time at all for red pills or blue pills, they're both deceptions. What I I have both white pills and black pills, yeah, because everything's black and white for me, but uh we're talking about race now with Daniel.

SPEAKER_05: 1:25:44

Let's go. Right, right. It's because I'm very racist, right? But no, I like I love the idea of seeing the return of the king, it's an exciting part of the story.

SPEAKER_03: 1:25:54

I don't know what the most exciting part of the story, but also I don't think we're at the definitive end. I think the return of the king, I like I believe all those old prophecies and new ones about the the great Catholic monarch and the era of Daniel was the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

SPEAKER_04: 1:26:09

Sorry, was that no I I always tell Ant the same thing. I'm like, we're coming to an end, but it's like the end of Holhauser's fifth age.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:16

Yeah, I don't think it's the end of the world. I mean, maybe maybe that soon, I don't know, but I I believe that all this deception we're seeing, I don't think the end of the world is going to come immediately after that. I know a lot of trads do, and you know, this is plenty of room for disagreement.

SPEAKER_05: 1:26:30

Yeah, no, but the thing is, like, first off, the um the the like eschatology, especially is something open for interpretation.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:39

Yeah, it's the most by far the most difficult realm of all the temporal eschatology is the most difficult to pin down.

SPEAKER_05: 1:26:46

So it's like if if there's a period of peace, like because I do think the antichrist is imminent, but if there's a period of peace after that, like that would be amazing, you know. Like absolutely that's the reign of our lady's immaculate heart.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:57

The immaculate heart hasn't triumphed yet. Like these these apologists, they say, Oh, the era of Fatima is over because the Berlin wall fell. Come on, the bles the the queen of heaven and earth promises her immaculate heart will triumph. And you think all she meant by that was the Berlin Wall's gonna fall?

SPEAKER_04: 1:27:13

No, there's gonna be an era of only for Yugoslavia to dissolve and everyone murder everyone.

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:19

Yeah, yeah, you know, there's some other things as well. I just I'm waiting. So I'm fully black pilled and fully white-pilled. Um, I uh if it's the end of the world, that'd be perfect because you know, all at the end of the day, all we want is is eternal salvation, that'd be the best. But I don't think it is. I think we've got antichrist coming, and I think there's gonna be a triumph of the church after that before the end of time. I have no idea how to do that.

SPEAKER_05: 1:27:41

This is something I've this is something I've debated with Joshua with Charles because I do think there's going to be a restoration of Peter. I think there's going to be like there's going to be a sequence of events that happen after like these crazy things that I see approaching. Um, and uh it's it would, but that's why eschatology is interesting because it is open for interpretation, like nobody right, otherwise, you it like you don't know prophecy until after it's fulfilled, so it is a little vague and it's not perfectly written out. We don't know exactly how things will play out, and it's an exciting like God chose us to be alive during this time. This is an amazing thing.

SPEAKER_03: 1:28:18

And anyway, the resolution says she envies those in our times, yeah. She envies the tortures of the Antichrist because that's like the best time to be alive. And I know that's what you're most looking forward to, Anthony is the tortures of the antichrist. Well, I'm I I'm looking forward to the era piece after that.

SPEAKER_05: 1:28:34

It it's like um if you especially if you read uh something like the ladder of the of divine ascent, things like that, there or um uh what are the uh there's a couple of them where they talk about the the end times where things are so debaucherous that they're like uh one one of the one of the followers is like we would never survive that time. But the thing is, the people who do survive that time, like it's almost like the easiest time in the world to be a saint because all you have to do is is live out your vocation or your or I just called marriage a vocation. People are gonna get on me for that. But if you're a husband, you're a father, you're a you're a child, like if you're a if you're a child without parents, like honor your mother and father. If you're a parent, love your wife, love your children, or get them to heaven, and you will become a saint in these latter times.

SPEAKER_03: 1:29:24

Where sin abounds, grace abounds all the more. And Saint Louis de Montfort said that there will be such grace in the end times that the saints of those times will tower above all other saints, like the cedars of Lebanon tower above a small shrub. And he said that will be because of their consecration to Mary and this age of Mary. And I and I and he didn't know, of course, about Fatima. He was well before then. He didn't know that Our Lady was going to come, the greatest apparition ever, and promise the triumph of her immaculate heart. But by the way, the uFologist, one of their chief things now, is trying to reframe Fatima as a UFO encounter. They're trying to they're trying to take everything and turn it into an extra.

SPEAKER_05: 1:30:02

Yeah, there were these guys talking about well, look at this is what happened in Fatima, and these people saw the sun. All right, listen, we're going over to the other side. Molly is right. If I didn't have work tomorrow, this would be a four-hour show. Um, but I do have a long time. I I was just starting, I was just getting warmed up. We still have plenty of time, don't worry. But the people that want to see the rest of the conversation, they got to cough up five bucks. Stop being cheap people. We get the best show on YouTube. Daniel's coming to hang on the other side. We're gonna go over there. I want to talk about uh what I'm seeing with the Daily Wire, kind of giving this rescript where they're like, okay, this is what we can present to the public. But I also uh yeah, I want I there's plenty still tons of stuff to get over there. We never got to the U Bar you uh you Harrari video, we never got to a few things that I sent to Rob uh in Telegram. So if you guys want if you're enjoying this show, come and hang with us for the rest of it. I will stay late tonight, we'll stay until 10:30. If Daniel can still, if Daniel can hang, we'll stay. So um, Rob put the link for uh locals on the other side. Yeah, let me end that real quick. Hold on. And uh we let me see. I put a bunch of stuff up. Um, we're gonna get to we gotta talk about Mike Huckabee. We gotta talk about uh let's see, your AI-based girlfriend will arrive in five years, according to Microsoft's AI CEO, and will be a permanent companion in five years' time. Everybody will have their own AI companion who knows them so intimately and so personally, they will have they will uh come to live uh life alongside you.

SPEAKER_03: 1:31:31

These people are insane. But we're we're already there, especially with teenagers. They've all got their AI companions, and it's it's unbelievably apocalyptic already.

SPEAKER_04: 1:31:42

I think it's I think I've read a uh a stat somewhere, and I don't know how accurate it is, but something like 80% of women age 24 and under have you know had an AI boyfriend in a sense. Wow.

SPEAKER_03: 1:31:58

We're it's all we're already here. We're everything that we that has been warned of has already begun.

SPEAKER_05: 1:32:04

Yeah, we still never actually got to the Bank of England thing where the times the Bank of England must plan for financial crisis sparked by aliens, a former yeah, and that's what we were gonna start with, right?

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:13

It only takes me about an hour and a half to get started.

SPEAKER_05: 1:32:16

Let's jump right into that. All right, so guys, if you're not locals members, we do the best we can to give you guys a good YouTube show, but we always save the best for locals. Come on, it's like think about how much money you guys waste on all these other platforms. We're the best show. Come on, the other side, stop being cheap, Daniel. Uh, anything we want to promote before we go to the other side because you got a thousand people watching right now.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:35

Um, I got a book coming out with Ignatius Press, uh, with Doug Barry, my good friend Doug Barry. And uh keep an eye out for that first line of defense about Catholic men manning up spiritually but also physically. Awesome.

SPEAKER_05: 1:32:47

So, and then also Daniel O'Connor's YouTube channel. Go check out Daniel O'Connor's YouTube channel. And then what was your actual book on this? It was called uh oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:54

If you want to, the I got a couple books. There's a huge one, but please go with the little one, spare yourself some time. First and last deception would be the way to go. First and last deception.

SPEAKER_05: 1:33:04

So, guys, uh, everybody say uh thank Daniel for coming on. We're gonna do another one of these because he's uh Daniel's so interesting. Like when a show goes by, when a show goes by like this, and you're just like you can't even.

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:15

I did it again. I'm sorry, I tried to restrain myself, but I I wasn't actually looking at my clock. I usually set a timer and I didn't do that today, so I kept I kept droning on. I apologize.

SPEAKER_05: 1:33:25

I want to make sure we get these bumps to throw five dollars our way.

SPEAKER_04: 1:33:28

So we should just do like an AMA with Daniel. That would be funny. What is AMA? Is that American Music Awards? Uh it says for Ask Me Anything. Oh, okay. People have tons of questions.

SPEAKER_05: 1:33:43

I mean, I hope we have time for me to discuss the super secret trad meeting I went to this weekend, but I don't know if we'll have time for that. Me and Rob might have to do that Thursday night. So, all right, guys, if you're not members, join us over on locals. Rob take us out, bro.

SPEAKER_04: 1:33:55

If you missed the intro, here it is again, guys.

SPEAKER_08: 1:33:58

Um, uh, next week, man on the street.

SPEAKER_05: 1:35:33

If we get a strike over that, I am going to kill you and Taffy, because that is super offensive. But hilarious. My wife said, my wife texts me, she goes, I just started to watch. What the hell was that intro? Not a fan. Oh man, what a show. Um, yeah, while Dan while Daniel's getting his stuff together, we can um the super secret trad meetup was really interesting, man. Um hold on, let me press the secret button here. Make this private uh the yeah, so they invited me down to Tampa to go and speak before the group. I think they wanted me to talk about um about how to reach a younger audience, but uh it they were definitely an older that's how well they yeah, right. The thing is, those people might have watched this episode, and that's their first introduction to avoiding Babylon, which is kind of nuts, but um yeah, I basically uh I I was glad I went. Um, I had some preconceived notions about certain people that when I actually got to go spend time with them, my opinion changed of them because anytime you get to spend time with the with the actual people whenever you do tequila shots with someone, I did do tequila shots of Father Allman. We had a good time, but all right, let's I'll save that for Thursday show. We'll do that on Thursday's show, and um let's get I think we should jump into the Yuval Harari video and just touch on that because that was that's kind of crazy that video.

SPEAKER_03: 1:37:15

I had I went I had to go to the bathroom and my did I turn my cam back on?

SPEAKER_05: 1:37:19

Yeah, you're you're good, you're good, you're good. And we're all we're live still, so okay. We are live still, so um, all right, so let's let's hear Uval or whatever his name is Harari.

SPEAKER_02: 1:37:32

Okay. Do you know? As far as putting words in order is concerned, AI already thinks better than many of us. Therefore, anything made of words will be taken over by AI. If laws are made of words, then AI will take over the legal system. If books are just combinations of words, then AI will take over books. If religion is built from words, then AI will take over religion. This is protocol of religions based on books, like Islam.

SPEAKER_05: 1:38:22

Um right off the bat, the first thing you think is like in the beginning was the logos, right?

SPEAKER_03: 1:38:29

In the beginning was the word, absolutely. And that's a good point. This this battle against the word with AI, and as Rob said earlier on YouTube, the the Tower of Babel. This is deliberate.

SPEAKER_05: 1:38:41

This is Man, this stuff it's it's so intentional, right? Even the fact that these are language predictors, like these little language models and predictors, and you and you you go back and you read John's opening chapter, and it's just in the beginning was the word, and that's such an important thing, and that they're playing with words now. That when God brings creation into existence, is with words, right? Like let there be light, and when he speaks, it that is how reality comes into existence. That this is what they're playing with right now, man.

SPEAKER_03: 1:39:14

That's why this is the other main avenue of the great deception, the NHI deception. There, there's people who won't be fully sold in the UFO aspect, they'll buy into the AI aspect. There's people who won't be interested in the AI, they'll they'll be into the UFO. Harari is especially uh sold in the AI aspect. He's had some some mentions in the in the ET aspect, but he's been pushing the AI deception for a long time. And he said, so he's he's like like um did Loeb. Did we get into Loeb at all on YouTube? Not really. A little bit. You talk about a little bit, but not really. So I brought up like one screenshot of him, and then and then I just got onto other stuff, right?

SPEAKER_05: 1:39:55

So Yeah, I mean we were all over the place that episode, but go ahead and take us anywhere.

SPEAKER_03: 1:40:00

But yeah, Harari is another atheist Jew. But he Harare is also a homosexual. Add that on there. They almost always are. And a uh They are they always are. Uh what's the other thing he is? Isn't he part of the World Economic Forum or something like that? I think he's so he said years ago that he's waiting. So here's a Jew, a supposed Jew, saying he's waiting for AI to give us divine revelation that is actually correct. And he truly believes that AI is going to be the channel, the first ever channel of authentic divine revelation. And I gotta find the exact quote. But what he's saying here is basically the same thing. He sees AI, he sees us, it's like Nietzsche, God is dead, but now he says we created God. And we created God how? Through AI. AI is our channel to the secrets of the universe, which is so corrupt, not only theologically, but also philosophically. You know, philosophically, we know that no effect is greater than its cause, right? What's the cause of AI? AI is programmed. No effect is greater than its cause. AI can never be greater than the people who programmed it. So it's it's it's a lie in every aspect, theologically, philosophically, scientifically. And yet it's, as Anthony said, a body. You know, it's it's it's a matter for the demons to enter into under a disguise so they can give us their direct instructions without us ever realizing it's demons to begin with.

SPEAKER_05: 1:41:32

Because you see, they're already starting to talk about it like this thing is going to be an oracle. Like they're talking about it the same way that it was spoken about in the pagan world, where you would go to this thing and do and it would divine you some some some some words or something. And it's like I'm surprised none of them have ever named Delphi or something like that yet.

SPEAKER_03: 1:41:53

I bet they have, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:41:55

It it may be, and it it goes to also when you think about like the pornogra pornography aspect that is going to be involved with AI, like people will be giving parts of their soul to this, right? Like they're they're gonna be offering their seed to it, things like that. Like this stuff is really disgusting and scary and evil.

SPEAKER_04: 1:42:14

Yeah, you just brought that to a whole new level of disgusting than I mean let alone the sacrifices we are gonna be offering in terms of land, energy, water to run these data centers.

SPEAKER_03: 1:42:26

Yeah, you're I know we sacrificed and you you mentioned uh during YouTube about how the climate change nonsense suddenly disappeared in reverence, in deference to the AI nonsense.

SPEAKER_05: 1:42:40

They'll need to come up with a new, a new end times, like a new end times thing. Like because you really that because they had to cut off climate change, it'll be something else they come up with. But the reason I I talked about the that aspect of it is because they're talking about Microsoft CEO talking about the AI companion and girlfriend, because that's what they want. They want to end holy matrimony so that you just have this AI companion that will be a part of the way that they get to their uh ending how many people are in the world because they think we're overpopulated. Like all this stuff is all connected.

SPEAKER_03: 1:43:13

The funny thing is, C.S. Lewis also prophesied that. And I love C.S. Lewis. Unfortunately, he bought into the ET deception in some degrees, but he did a great job warning against the AI deception. And he talked about how there is this demonic thing where was it Paralandra or Out of the Silent Planet, where the like they basically marriage is replaced with actual marriage with relations with these robot AI things. Um, but in that hideous strength, he lays out in the end of that hideous strength, spoiler alert, if anyone hasn't read it and wants to, you can you can plug your ears for just you know 20 seconds here. But he talks about how these scientists they cut off, they take the head of an executed criminal and they think that they brought it back to life with all their special technology. And all they did was enable the demons. They're they're called something else in that hideous strength, like the macroorganisms or something. All they did was enable the demons a channel to give them direct revelations and instructions to govern their organization and ICE. So that's he prophesied a lot there, but and then suddenly it's actually happening with this AI companion stuff.

SPEAKER_05: 1:44:26

Yeah, you brought up a really interesting thing in the green room that I tried to not touch on too much on YouTube because I didn't want to get too controversial, but there's an aspect to which, like you get to a guy like Yuval Hurari, you get to Steven Spielberg, you get to all these guys that are doing this stuff, and they're almost all Jewish, almost always. And it seems like they really are trying to bring about their messiah, that they they didn't get in Christ because they've refused to acknowledge Christ as the true messiah, and they want their worldly messiah. And it just seems like when you take into account that with all the other things that are happening, the idea that God allows the Jews to come back into the holy land right now, all this stuff together, it it just seems like it's all culminating at once.

SPEAKER_03: 1:45:11

And uh, and a and just such a such a convergence that this you couldn't make this up with you gotta sympathize with the with the Jews who have been uh in one sense, who've been waiting for 4,000 years for the Messiah to come, diligently waiting. You might get a little impatient after 4,000 years, and you might want to suddenly try to kind of make it happen artificially, which is exactly what they're doing now. And uh, you know, I gotta be careful here. If you interpret this in the wrong way, you get into the heresy of millennialism, which definitely is wrong. But a lot of the fathers of the church, they talked about like this these millennia of history, and specifically six millennia, and how we're coming now to the seventh day here, 2,000 years after Christ. And there's this convergence here of the Jews, the the remaining Jews coming to this point of accepting a messiah, but a false messiah, who purports to give everything that they think they've been waiting for, but every single aspect of it is a lie. And it's stunning that the biggest promoters of both aspects of this deception, whether the UFO or the AI varieties, are at least cultural and ethnic Jews. With Harari, it's frightening what he's saying about AI. And I was just looking on my other screen here to find it. He said that um he said years ago that AI, that we are going to find ourselves living in the dreams of an AI artificial intelligence. It's going to, it's a it's going to give us religions that are actually correct for the first time ever, as I said before. And then what the clip you just played there, I mean, this is what Christian revelation warns us against. And yet he's explicitly advocating for it as a good thing and a messianic thing.

SPEAKER_05: 1:47:08

The interesting thing that you just said there was that like the they're trying to hasten the coming of their messiah, right? Like the like they're trying to do these things to hasten the coming of their messiah. It's almost like similar to what the Protestants are doing, where the Protestants want the third temple built because they think they're going to be raptured before the Great Tribulation, and they think they're going to bring about their, you know, they're going to bring about the second coming, and they're going to bring it's a it's a crazy thing to try to hasten something like that and and bring the end about your. So it's one thing to observe it and say, hey, I'm noticing some signs here. It's another thing altogether to go, hey, let's support the building of the third temple because we want the antichrist to be.

SPEAKER_03: 1:47:47

Yeah. And that but the the Protestant, what do the uh these evangelicals, and I don't even know exactly what they say, but they think that so obviously they're pro Third Temple because they think, like, what exactly do they think the Third Temple is going to do that's good? Okay, these evangelicals?

SPEAKER_05: 1:48:05

I I'm I don't know if it's that they think they'll be raptured at that point before the Great Tribulation, or if they think the institution of the temple sacrifices is a good thing. Like I don't I don't know, because there are some who actually think, like I was listening to that guy speak, somebody posted it as a Christian pastor who was like, when the Messiah comes, uh the he will be on a news broadcast and they will ask him, is this your first time coming or your second time coming? And he will simply say yes, as if it's the first time. As if the yeah, like the people, the the Jews who are awaiting their Messiah, it's the first coming for them, but for Christians, it'll be the second coming as if Christ is going to be incarnated for a second time. Like they don't get no, you're taught. That's the antichrist. And the fathers all say, like, the antichrist will be welcomed by throngs of heretics, not just not just Jews, like throngs of heretics will welcome the world of the antichrist.

SPEAKER_03: 1:49:01

Yeah, the whole world's gonna welcome him, but I think it'll I think it'll first be the Jews. And this third temple stuff is so dangerous. And Josh Charles has has written excellently on this, but um I think that it's gonna come through the ET deception. And um let me should I try to put something on my screen here? Is that your one? Okay, for sure. I think I've got it here. Um, all right. So this is where we were. Is it showing up? Yeah, okay. So this is where we were about an hour and a half ago when I meant to continue on. So here's the here's the woman, Helen McGraw, who is uh telling the Bank of England they've got to financially prepare for disclosure. And she's right, the only that that this disclosure thing is coming. The only problem is she thinks it's good, she doesn't realize it's a deception. But anyway, I quote a car say Carl Sagan there in the YouTube segment, but then she goes right on to Avi Loeb, who I just talked about uh before. So Avi Loeb, she's deferring to him as a real uh authority on this. But if you go to Avi Loeb's own content, he here he was he just got back from Jerusalem, Avi Loeb. And let's see, is he showing up on the screen there? I'm sorry, I had to close out the uh stream yard there.

SPEAKER_05: 1:50:23

No, we're seeing um terrestrial destruction, begs, extraterrestrial aspirations.

SPEAKER_03: 1:50:29

All right, so this this is Avi Loeb. Here's the guy that I was talking about before, and this is the guy that she's promoting as having the answers. This is again the woman who wrote the art who uh just went viral, telling the Bank of England they've got to prepare for UFO disclosure. Here, who she's here's the guy she's promoting as the one understanding what's going on with uh UFOs. So he just came back. This is this this is I don't know if you can read that, but that's his January of 2026. So this just happened. He just got back a week or two ago. So he was just in Jerusalem and he's looking there. What is that? Is that the Western Wall? I don't know. That's the uh Roman barracks. The Roman barracks?

SPEAKER_05: 1:51:11

Yeah. That's what they call no, it's what they call the Western Wall, but they call the Western Wall.

SPEAKER_03: 1:51:15

Okay, yeah. So uh you guys know more about this stuff than I do. But anyway, he's he goes there, and here's what his takeaway is. This is from his own blog. This is his own article that he just wrote. This is his own quote. He believes clearly that there is a uh let me go to the next phrase, next uh slide here. This is from a later quote on the same article. He believes that the holy of holies, where God's presence was reported. You know, he's a Jew, but he doesn't really believe it all. But he kind of does, as long as it's aliens. He thinks it's a technological transmitter to communicate with an extraterrestrial superhuman entity. Wow. And this is the biggest, one of the biggest uifologists. He has collaborated with Catholics galore, including some I won't I won't name here. Uh he's been he's spoken at Seoul, he's the Harvard celebrity astrophysicist who says that aliens are here on the comets and whatnot. And he is connecting all of it to his idea that this is coming to Jerusalem, and that in fact Jerusalem has always had this transmitter to communicate with extraterrestrial superhuman entities. And he's been saying this for a long time. Um years ago, he said the Messiah is coming on a UFO, as I said in the YouTube part of this. Here's another thing he just he wrote last year. He's bringing up getting closer to God as as uh he's connecting it to ET disclosure on science and religion. He's hoping. This is a secular atheistic Jew, but he's still hoping for a messianic message of peace and prosperity. Uh prosperity. How? Through the aliens. It's it goes on and on and on. Here's this extraterrestrial messiah interview, CNN. This was in 2023. So we've got this recurring idea from Avi Loeb and many others that the Messiah awaited in Judaism is gonna be an extraterrestrial uh revelation on the day of disclosure, and it's gonna be centered on Jerusalem. And what is the biggest push right? There's all sorts of pushes to build a third temple, and they're all apocalyptic. They're all this is all horrible, obviously. Any Christian worth of assault should know that that's not a good thing. Look at Julian the apostate, look at the attempts to rebuild the temple after Jesus. That was don't do that. Uh, but the problem is it's going to be successful this time, and it's not gonna be a good thing.

SPEAKER_05: 1:53:46

Do you think Trump will be the president of this disclosure?

SPEAKER_03: 1:53:49

So, Trump, I was just told, and I I I won't say who sent this to me because I I didn't check with him, but uh there was um something just went viral, and I have no idea if this is authentic or not. I'll just throw it out there as something that's being reported. It's being reported that Trump already wrote his disclosure speech, and that he's just waiting for the opportune moment to get. And what's the Masonic motto? Ad orbo uh sorry, ad uh ordo ab chaos from chaos order. And I believe they're waiting. This day of disclosure is being uh held in preparation for this peak chaos. When we either have the first nuke launched or people think that the world is in the precipice, uh disclosure, this deception of disclosure, will not have the maximum impact until the world is in a state of complete chaos, which it seems we're getting closer to every day.

SPEAKER_05: 1:54:48

I've been telling Rob on this show that it just like I feel like they are trying to bring about this chaos in order to bring order out of the chaos. Now, I I haven't put together the alien thing that that will be the thing that brings order out of the chaos, but you could see through social media, you could see through the tensions within our own country, they're trying to amp up this hostility towards one another, keep us divided, hating one another, wanting to kill each other. It just seems so fabricated to me. All of it just seems like it's this manipulation coming through social media, coming through all these influencers, the ones with the biggest platforms. And especially now that I'm seeing how the algorithm is changing, um, I'm starting to see like certain people still have their tweets blow up. Mine have just completely been killed in the algorithm. Our YouTube show has been killed in the algorithm. To be fair, mine as well.

SPEAKER_03: 1:55:42

I had the furries attack me like I've never seen, I've never been attacked in my life a few months ago. You know the furries? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The furries, they mass reported me, they mass did everything. They got my Twitter account suspended because I called out the the the furries, like they're getting these degenerate, they're combining this furry stuff with alien stuff. And I called it out, and I had the biggest attack of me that I've ever experienced. All these furries mass reporting and blocking me. And it just it I got locked out of Twitter. I got uh my post got butt got de-algorithmed or whatever. And uh yeah, it's it the algorithm is working towards this this chaos.

SPEAKER_05: 1:56:28

I I think that they're they're like amplifying certain voices so that they're almost like they're the only ones we all hear. They're all taking different positions to build up animosity. So I feel like we'll all of us are just being super manipulated right now. They're making us uh they're just playing with your emotions to make you hate your neighbor because that is really display one another. The second step that is at the heart of this thing, they're trying to get like think about the commandments, guys. Like the two greatest commandments are love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, and soul, and love your neighbor and as yourself. It's like what they're trying to do is make us hate your neighbor. So this way, here you're drawn to this willingness to violence. And I tried to tell uh everybody, like last episode a little bit, that you like we may think, oh, we're in America, I'm armed, I'm this, I'm that. Like when you're dealing with people who are in such a deep state of mortal sin, the things they are capable of are going to be way more sadistic and horrible than anything you could ever dream of because you have God's grace in your soul, and the whole point is to get you to lose that grace. So, I mean, everyone needs to be really careful about what's happening right now.

SPEAKER_03: 1:57:36

Absolutely. And that I mean, you gotta always. I'm glad you brought that verse up because you gotta always bring it back to the basics, lest we get derailed by all the chaos around us. Love the Lord your God with your heart, soul, mind, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. Anything that distracts you from that is not from God. Yeah, that's that's what a book is.

SPEAKER_05: 1:57:56

Yeah, man, and they have these tools of manipulation like that has never been on the face of the earth before. And then and then you're adding in this manipulation with the AI stuff, like all these algorithms are controlled by AI, they're just they know what heats you up, they know what gets you angry, and that's really what it seems like they're trying to do with all of us get us to hate each other, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:58:15

Yeah, and AI, you know, people talk about deep fakes being a problem, and yes, they are, but AI has already injected itself into almost everything. You know, any if you use your phone to do anything today, the face that people see is not your face. There's all these filters automatically added to it that I don't even know how to turn off. Yeah, and it's like, and that's just one stupid example, but but it's like I can't write an email now. What AI was trying to summarize the text you sent me earlier today, Anthony.

SPEAKER_05: 1:58:44

I didn't even Yeah, because if you don't open your phone, it does that, it summarizes what the point of the text is.

SPEAKER_03: 1:58:50

I never I say no to every AI thing it's trying to show shove in my face, but somehow AI is now summaring summarizing my emails and texts, and it's like it's already forming you. You don't realize how much AI is already forming you, and and out of curiosity, you know, we were talking on YouTube about the this AI detection stuff. I ran several random viral posts on Twitter through this AI detection that just smelled off to me. All of them showed up as 100% AI generated. We are already being completely formed by AI slop.

SPEAKER_04: 1:59:25

The the dead internet theory is proving more and more true like every single day. What's the the dead internet theory? Yeah, uh it's the idea that uh like 80 to 90 percent of all content on the internet is produced by non-humans, yeah. I believe every interactor you have online is not a real person.

SPEAKER_03: 1:59:45

I believe it. And it's because why wouldn't they do that? You know, for the last what is it? When did Chat GBT come out? Was that was that 2022?

SPEAKER_05: 1:59:53

Yeah, I think so. It was like right after COVID. That was when they started talking. So it was like COVID hit, and then all of a sudden you started hearing guys like Brett Wyatt. Einstein and those guys all start talking about Chat GPT. It was like out of nowhere, they started talking about it. I was like, what the heck is this thing they're talking about?

SPEAKER_03: 2:00:07

So it came out in 2022, and like within within weeks of it coming out, all the big, big talking heads said this is gonna revolutionize everything in a matter of months. Here we are, four years later, and all it's done is ruined things. It's done almost nothing good, other than it's given us some funny memes about Anthony's uh uh bar mitzvah or whatever the um the other thing I definitely want to touch on is like the the danger of like like you were saying earlier that it's not that Steven Spielberg's movie is going to just outright deny Catholicism.

SPEAKER_05: 2:00:46

What the what it seems like is happening right now is there's a concerted effort to get Catholics in a certain group lined up to pitch ideas so that they sound like Catholic truth coming at you. And these are coming from like the most respected names in Catholicism up until now, right? These are the guys you learned your faith from. You're going to the Catholic answers guys, you're going to someone like Matt Frad, who I know I I, you know, I'm not trying to impute bad motives to him or anything, but it seems like they're impugned. Yeah, they're trying to corral uh they're trying to corral these guys into a very specific way of thinking. I watched this week Matt Frad, Michael Knowles, and Isabel Brown, all three Catholics over at the Daily Wire, come out with very similar statements, and they're like speaking out against Christian Zionism, but Matt Frad had a Jewish convert to Catholicism come on his show, basically presenting. I didn't listen to the whole show, but basically presenting like a friendly version to Judaism, you know, and it's like it's basically these guys that are they're from like the Phylos Project, they call them um uh uh Hebrew Catholics. And they they're in some way they think that it's okay for uh like that that what God gathering his people back into Israel is in some way a fulfillment of the scriptures, but it's a carnal reading of the scriptures, and it goes back to like why they call it Zionism to begin with. And it's like the reason it's called Zionism is because you go to like the Psalms and you go to all these different reasons. Zion's sick, I will not be silent and and that they will then rule the nations from Zion, right? So it seems like you're seeing all these Catholic voices who are very well respected coming out, and and Michael Knowles, his whole thing was, I don't support Christian Zionism because we can't say that there's any kind of religious uh fulfillment in them coming here, but I can still support them as a nation. But the thing is, there is some kind of a religious fulfillment in them coming there, it's just not good. It's like the church, the church never could support a uh a Jewish state in Israel in the Holy Land for a very specific reason, is because the church understood that once God gathers his people in into that land, that means he's doing it for a purpose because their curse was to be dispersed amongst the nations. So the idea of them even being allowed to gather back in has implications.

SPEAKER_03: 2:03:19

Interesting. So, okay, so all right, you're uh I don't know what uh uh who who is the other person I have.

SPEAKER_05: 2:03:26

Michael Knowles Knowles, Matt Walsh, and Isabel Brown. They're the three Catholics that were well. Matt Matt Walsh does too, but he hasn't said anything yet, as far as I could tell. But Matt Frad interviewed the Jewish convert, and then the next day Michael Knowles came out with his statement, and then right after that, Isabel Brown interviewed Michael Knowles, and they're talking about typology and they're like they're presenting a very Catholic message with a butt.

SPEAKER_03: 2:03:50

Uh-huh. Okay, so I haven't even heard of Isabel Brown before. So this is a m this is a Daily Wire person.

SPEAKER_05: 2:03:56

Yeah, she's another Daily Wire where uh she just they just hired her recently. Okay, is she cat? So she's Catholic, she's Catholic, also, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 2:04:04

All right, yeah, they're dude, they're gathering people together. I just saw Michael Knowles on Twitter, and I thought it like he was got like Mark Levin furious at him or something like that, right? Yeah, we see that, or yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I thought it was basically good, but maybe I'm missing something.

SPEAKER_05: 2:04:20

So you're saying I put the clip in if you guys want to play it. It's basically like um Mike Matt, I mean Michael Noel, look, he presents something good, and I don't want to, you know, knock him. He's presenting something good with a butt.

SPEAKER_03: 2:04:33

Oh no, you're you're right. I remember so the but he said something to the effect of he supports the secular state of Israel now insofar as it's like the lesser of two evils, because he doesn't because he doesn't think a Muslim run ruling the holy land would be like I'd rather them than Iran, but it's like how about how about like a Christian well? No, that's exactly what I would say, and I think he said something like because I did see his clip because I commented on that, and he said something like, because I don't see a Christian crusade or something.

SPEAKER_05: 2:05:03

Yeah, I don't see Baldwin the Great coming back.

SPEAKER_03: 2:05:05

Oh, that's what he said, yeah. Which I would say, why the heck don't you see that? I see that, yeah. Like, and that's all I can think of supporting. I can't imagine anything but the Catholic Church being in charge of the Holy Land.

SPEAKER_04: 2:05:18

There was also a greater percentage of Christians and Catholics there um under the Ottoman Empire than there is currently under Israel, like the Christian population of that area has declined significantly since uh the Zionist Israel. Yeah, wow.

SPEAKER_03: 2:05:36

Yeah, so it's I mean my only my only thing I can even possibly look forward to with the Holy Land is is Rome ruling it. Uh I can't get it.

SPEAKER_05: 2:05:49

What makes it holy? It's only the Holy Land because Christ walked in that that's exactly what Pius X said.

SPEAKER_04: 2:05:55

We we can't recognize it as a Jewish state because it was it was sanctified by the life and death of Jesus Christ, which the Jews have have rejected.

SPEAKER_05: 2:06:05

Yeah, it's uh so the the because I used to be a man, it's so funny how much my own thinking on this issue, because I used to say things like, Well, they don't have a divine right to exist there, but they have a right to exist there. But Mike, it's more evolved into really understanding that the the nation of Israel run by the Jews is actually like the beginning of Satan's kingdom on earth, and and it kind of stems from from that where you see the Jews mixing with mixing with the blood of the martyr, like drunk on the blood of the martyrs and playing with the the former nations of Christendom and stuff, and it's scary stuff. And to watch the way Daily Wire is handling this, it's basically like, well, look, yes, the church is the new Israel, but we should still support Israel. Because I think they had a meeting, and I think it's about fixing the image of the Daily Wire and going, okay, look, they all think that we're just pure Zionists, so we have to put Catholics out there and we have to give a new palatable message that still supports Israel, but can still uphold Catholic teaching, which like they're not they're not going against Catholic teaching, they're just subtly making it that this is somehow acceptable, and it's just not.

SPEAKER_03: 2:07:27

Yeah, so I guess uh this isn't something I I have much of a figured out position on, but like I guess what pragmatically speaking would be the the right thing to do moving forward because it's not I mean I I'd be all for just figuring out how to get that back under the control of Rome. I'm gonna fall for a new crusade. What would that be? The 15th, what was the last crusade? The uh I don't see a crusade actually.

SPEAKER_04: 2:07:52

Pius the ninth called one to to uh defend Rome against uh Garibaldi. Okay. I don't see something like that happening.

SPEAKER_03: 2:08:00

I mean, I wouldn't be against that. That would be a just that would be a just cause. The problem there was one, but I don't know what other than that would make justice reign in the Holy Land. Like I don't know what what to do about that.

SPEAKER_05: 2:08:11

But I think just withdrawing any support for them to begin with. Like we should not be uh assisting them in the things that they're doing because what they're doing, it's not just what they're doing in Palestine, it's what they're doing throughout all the former nations of Christendom. They're meddling in in the in the doings of every single European country, and because they it's the same reason that when they're dispersed amongst the nations, they disperse amongst Europe. They don't go to Africa, they don't go. I mean, they could have gone any number of places, but they very specifically went to Europe because they always had this plan of gathering back into this land so that they could one day have their messiah come and rule from this land. So I don't I don't know, it's probably all of all out of our hands at this point, and there's nothing much we can do. I just think that they're the Daily Wire has gathered in a bunch of Catholics to bring a palatable version of support for Israel as a state, and while still upholding, like, oh, we as Catholics can't say that they have a divine right to the place, but we should we still should support Israel, and that's that's kind of just what I'm seeing happening. That makes sense. But it's the only reason I even thought that is because it was all three of them in one week came out doing it. It was like it was like they had this meeting, and it was like, okay, this is the new messaging that we're going to put forward, and it seems like that same thing happened with the disclosure stuff. It seems like all of this stuff is just put out to us in a very programmed way so that we have a new way of of viewing the whole situation, and especially like gathering guys like Matt Frad, Michael Knowles, and I'm pretty sure Trent Horns up in that mix, too. These are the guys who were most trusted because they're the ones who have been like teaching the faith to the majority of people over the past 20 years, right? You get the Catholic answers guys and all that stuff. So something we all what else, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 2:10:05

I mean, what else explains it? It's bizarre. I mean, I didn't see that coming. So what else would have caused Matt Fred to get it? Didn't he just finish building this brand new expensive studio in Florida? Did he just abandon that brand new thing he spent a year building or to go to Tennessee?

SPEAKER_05: 2:10:21

It was rented, he rented that, he had a lease there, so he didn't own it. But I just the only reason I even I'm thinking about this is because you were supposed to go on Frad, and it seemed like such an innocent. It's like, yeah, Daniel O'Connor, come on, come and talk to me about your stuff. And then that sudden change where he even admitted publicly, yes, I chose not to have you on because someone told me not to have you on. And I'm like, what is that about? Like, you're like the you were at the time very uncontroversial, like you were you were talking about a very important subject matter, but you weren't talking about the Jews, you weren't talking about you know yet, right?

SPEAKER_03: 2:10:55

And it just seemed bizarre to me that they didn't I know it's it's completely it's like he had he's had Dave Rubin on and yeah before me and Ben Shapiro and all these degenerates, and yeah, I'm I'm a miserable sinner as well. But it's like I think if Dave Rubin can be on Matt Fred, who is a homo uh active homosexual who traffic and children surrogate, yeah, traffic surrogate child. Like, I think maybe I can also be on. Maybe I can screen, but no, I need to be canceled. It's like what what's the rationale here?

SPEAKER_05: 2:11:29

I'm telling you what's happening. There's there's different because I a lot of people think that the divide is simply over liturgy, and I don't think it is. And I tried to talk to this group this weekend about this, and I said, I said, I know we, you know, I'm talking to a bunch of trads right now, and I know you guys think this whole thing is about liturgy, but it's really not, man. This stuff goes into everything from the Noshra Tate meetings and our and the church's whole posture towards the Jews now, and it goes into the messaging that is happening right now, where they're they're gathering all of these well-known Catholics into one group so that they can bring a palatable message to us as Catholics, so that we still support Israel. And I really do think the dividing line is coming down on it it's going to be a thing to deceive Catholics to accept the Antichrist, is kind of how I see it happening. And and when you add in all the stuff we talked about tonight, I don't I don't know, man. I think this stuff's all connected.

SPEAKER_03: 2:12:21

I I mean I'm stretching a little bit, absolutely is all connected, and the problem is it's more it's more connected than even the most deep rabbit hole can ever show, which is why if you go down a rabbit hole a little bit, you don't go far enough, you wind up still deceived. And like I say that because I'm thinking of someone like Candace Owens here. She went down the rabbit hole a little bit, but not far enough, and she came out still in deception territory. Um and I just I don't think there will be. I hope I'm not blackpilling too much here. I don't think there will be a single big voice warning us against the great decision.

SPEAKER_05: 2:13:07

Uh yeah, I think I think all of these big influencers with multi-million member platforms like that, I think all of them are being used to to bring us all into silos, basically. So, like you're oh, I I follow this influencer, I follow this, and I and I saw that happening, especially with the Greenland thing, because we definitely want to talk to you about that too. With the Greenland thing, I was watching, I was watching everybody gather right behind in line and rock step with the favorite influencer and not really thinking about the situation clearly, right?

SPEAKER_03: 2:13:38

Yeah, and it's you you've got to uh detach yourself from all of them, especially me, because I'm I'm a complete retard. But uh like just don't follow anyone except God, and uh because all of us are wrong and all sorts of things. And Greenland, it's like I have no idea like what should actually be done. I really don't, but what bothers me is when these big shaw philosophers get out there and claim that we can be absolutely certain that the natural law itself says that US can't have Greenland. Where the heck does the natural law say that? And I I see these bogus um absolutes being set up, and no one's giving any credence to the real absolutes. And it's just I can I can't there's there's no tribe left. There, there is no tribe you can just get behind and say this tribe is gonna keep me safe because they're all buying into one deception or the other, and the church itself is so fractured at this point, right?

SPEAKER_05: 2:14:35

Like the church itself is like you can't even trust that the hierarchy is going to give you the accurate description, like everything we talked about tonight is basically like, yeah, okay, we're like guys like me and you are very convinced that we're about to see the antichrist on the world stage. We're very convinced that all this stuff happening in Israel is is happening for a purpose. We're seeing the alien deception coming, we're seeing the AI stuff happening, and the church is calling a consistory to talk about Vatican II. It's like, what the hell are you men doing?

unknown: 2:15:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 2:15:09

The solution's not gonna come institutionally. No, it's gonna come, and but God has to strip us of all that. We used to be able to count on an encyclical to just refute whatever the biggest error was that was what was grabbing us away from salvation. We can't anymore. We've got to rely and beg and pray for divine intervention, because that's the only thing that's gonna save us. And I believe that massive divine intervention is coming. I mean, I know this would be controversial in many circles, but I I think God is gonna illumine our consciences. And and and I'm waiting for that and I'm hoping for that. I'm not claiming I know what's happening, but I I think it will. But even that has been infiltrated. And I'll just mention here, so I was in a movie, was in the theaters all over uh last year uh about uh what was it called, the Great Warning. And uh, and I know not everyone believes in those prophecies, just forget about the prophecies for a minute, but just pretend, pretend it's true. If that were true, if God were going to like give everyone a zap to their conscience, wouldn't the devil also know about those prophecies? And wouldn't he try to infiltrate it? And that movie itself, that again I was in, it was in theaters, it was pretty big. Um guess who else was in that movie that I just implicitly brought up an hour ago. The current close, very close. The current head of the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, the devil, I'm convinced, slipped this guy into that movie to give an interview, having nothing to do with proxy or anything. And in fact, nothing he said in the interview was problematic, but the mere fact that the search that the head of the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, Seth Shostack, was in this movie about God intervening to enlighten our consciences and convict us of sin. The mere fact that this guy was in the movie proved to me that the devil is is going to completely in attempt to completely invert everything that God does in the world today. I think the God is gonna give us all a big zap to our consciences, and I think the devil, right after that, is gonna claim, oh no, no, that was the extraterrestrials announcing their increasing. Oh, that's interesting. Wow. And they're gonna say, look, in fact, that was even in the big movie announcing it.

SPEAKER_05: 2:17:32

The uh the well, Christine Watkins' book, The Warning, uh, led, like, I know several people who just read those those accounts because that book is basically made up of of accounts of people who had in like illuminations of conscience. I mean, I had my own experience of an illumination of conscience that I attribute to our lady that had very much connected to our lady of fat and stuff.

SPEAKER_04: 2:17:52

Those are just my text messages, then what's that?

SPEAKER_05: 2:17:55

Oh yeah, this is before we met. Um, yeah, so that uh, but that that book led to my sister going on uh uh discernment, like and and entering into a convent and like I it is an interesting thing. I I'm I'm I always go back to like man, has God ever done something like that? Like, I I don't know if okay, I don't know if I I I believe that certain accounts of it where it's like if someone's flying an airplane, time will stop for them and things like that. But I do think God can have a huge uh illumination of people's souls so that they actually do get a glimpse of where they are in in in relation to him. So it is an it is an interesting one, yeah. And especially when you're getting into prophecies and things like this, it's people always do get super like I don't believe that, I don't believe that, but we really won't know until it happens, right?

SPEAKER_03: 2:18:50

But yeah, and I would say just you know, be cautious, but be discerning. You know, I've been wrong in discernment before, and I will be again in the future. It's you gotta be open, you gotta be uh open, but not not credulous either when it comes to this stuff. You gotta be careful. And I just I don't see anything objectionable about the idea of God uh zapping all you know, enlightening all of our consciousness in preparation for the antichrist. He's such a great mercy if he did. He's so merciful. Like, why wouldn't he give us the last chance to choose the right side before the antichrist swoops down? And and anyway, whatever you believe about that, what whatever your take is on that, uh clearly the devil uh is going to try to reach all of us directly, whether it's through this day of disclosure BS or through this AI singularity BS. He's he's going to try to directly communicate with each person in the face of the planet. And you need to say no to that. You need whenever you can rule out something with a more bedrock premise, don't even waste your time with the more superficial superficial premises. Some people say, Oh, I'll I'll cross that bridge and I'll when I get to it. I'll I'll discern these things when they happen. No. If you can rule out from the faith that AI can never be rational or that aliens don't exist, then rule it out from the faith. Don't wait until the heat of the moment when your passions are thumping and and you're so tempted. No. You settle the clear questions when you're calm, cool, and collected. Yeah, settle it now in your mind.

SPEAKER_05: 2:20:20

This is really important. Like I the to and especially the the understanding that AI will never be rational because it will appear as though it is. Exactly. Right. And that and that's what we're that's what Daniel's kind of getting at that this thing will be a vehicle for something and it's going to appear rational but man cannot create something rational. Only God can create something rational. So the deception is that it's going to appear as if it is the same thing with the aliens. It's going to appear as if it's real so if you if you understand ahead of time this thing is just going to be there to deceive me you can know what to tune out what to get out of like just I'm not even going to pay attention to this because I know it's I know what the goal of it is.

SPEAKER_03: 2:21:03

Just like the devil didn't appear we know why didn't the devil appear to Adam instead of Eve first of all because Adam was a man of course we know we know that but there's another reason the serpent didn't you know the other reason the serpent did not appear to Adam is because Adam what did he do? He named everything so if the serpent appeared to Adam speaking Adam would have known right away I named you you don't speak I know that something's awry here. So you need to be like that. Exactly you know what things are because the great chain of being don't don't think the great chain of being is open to amendment because of disclosure or because of Elon Musk or Sam Altman and and that's another thing I had my notes for today maybe we can do it in the future time but there's this good cop bad cop ruse going on right now between um Elon Musk and Sam Altman. They're both promoters of the AI deception. But Elon Musk is playing the good cop and Sam Altman is playing the bad cop. And I'm not saying they're doing that knowingly I think that I think they're both pawns in the devil's hands. But it's all it's all deception both sides of it. So if you can just know beforehand to just say no to dialogue in the first place you're you're pretty much immune. The problem is Eve she didn't name the creatures she was willing to be open to dialogue.

SPEAKER_05: 2:22:27

She was open-minded and you didn't you need to not be open minded we'll have to do another show just because there's so many other things and I do have to get off of work tomorrow. But yeah I I don't think for a second Elon is the good guy. Like by any stretch of the imagination I think the whole thing of oh he brought back free speech all of it is a ruse all of it is meant to make you uh feel because it oh man we're just being manipulated like crazy right now from every angle everybody really has to be absolutely Elon thinks that we need to basically fall at the feet of AI and beg it to take us seriously.

SPEAKER_03: 2:23:06

Sam Altman is the opposite. He says we need to deliberately make AI into this godlike thing. And the same thing with Google. So Elon Musk presents himself as the antithesis to Sam Altman and Google who explicitly want AI to become a god Elon Musk says oh no no we need to make sure that AI is maximally truth seeking in hopes that it will like us and not annihilate us. This is delusional it's a computer program. You're treating it like a god like a bad god that you need to grovel before and and Google and Sam Altman are treating it like God himself.

SPEAKER_05: 2:23:44

You're both completely delusional you're just but but but between one or the other almost everyone will fall for one or the other and our job we're all caught up we're all caught up in this theater it's all a theater it's a it's a big production being put before us and we're we're all being manipulated right now. I have okay so I have to pee so bad and have to get up for work in the morning. I could have done this for four hours like if if if if we had the opportunity so I only got through my first two bullet points so yeah we'll get the we'll do the the later hours in another day. All right what we'll do is maybe we'll do it on a Friday night one night so we don't have a time limit and we can just go because you're such an easy person to talk to I knew this would be a fun show. I I I think everybody's going to enjoy it. So all right so go check out Daniel's YouTube channel go go check out Daniel's books. You have a book coming out with the battery coming out soon that we want to get to um uh whenever you whenever you have something come out you want to promote it reach out to me we'll bring you right on thank you thank you and thank you everyone for tuning in and bearing with me all this time I know I keep going on you you're one of the you're one of our our favorite guests when you come on our audience loves I love coming on um all right so we will see you guys on Thursday night. I don't know what we're doing yet Daniel thank you so much for your time man very blessed thank you we'll see ya