Is America Reaching a Breaking Point Over ICE?

Why are U.S. cities erupting after recent ICE enforcement actions? We unpack the timeline, the claims, and what a Catholic view of order and justice requires.

Chapters

• 0:00 Cold Open And Greenland Gags
• 2:30 Flat Earth, Missiles, And Strategy
• 7:30 Nukes: Real, Fake, Or Occult Tech
• 10:30 Sponsor Reveal And Disclaimers
• 15:30 Faith, Branding, And Product Details
• 22:00 Wine Partner And Discount Talk
• 27:30 Pilgrimage Plans And Indulgence
• 31:30 Pivot To Minneapolis Protests
• 36:00 Reading And Parsing Michael Matt’s Tweets
• 42:00 How ICE Operates And Counter-Agitators
• 47:30 Media Manipulation And Algorithmic Outrage
• 53:00 Left, Right, And National Survival
• 59:00 Humanity, Empathy, And Hard Lines
• 1:05:00 Papers, Policing, And Tyranny Fears
• 1:11:00 Civil Conflict, Balkanization, And War

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:11

We need for medicine of introduction. We need green man for medicine of preference. They have a very small puppy of the lesson.

SPEAKER_04: 0:38

Greenland is the center of everything. Okay, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. There's a lot of people are not gonna understand why that's hilarious. Okay, so listen, we we did a show the last show we did talk about this. Like Rob had said, um, like it you so if you look at a flat map, you can't actually tell why Greenland is so strategic, but like if they fire a ballistic missile, it it kind of comes right over Greenland and it's the best place for us to get it at the apogee when it's like at the height, right? So I'm I'm thinking in my head, I'm going, wait, did did Trump Trump get in Greenland? Does that kind of disprove flat Earth? So I shot Rob a text, and I'm like, I'm like, if if the earth is flat, do we still need Greenland? And Rob goes, Oh no, no, I well I think about it and I just I I I just answer naturally, and I'm like, and and I sent Anthony on WC the flat the flat earth.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32

Well, yeah, I'm like first I'm like, really, what the heck is this toward a question? Like, well, I might as well answer. It's all well, you know, if you look at a photo of the flat earth model, it would actually make Greenland more important because it's literally in the center of like the whole map, like it would be in the center of all shipping lanes, and then I'm like basically, oh no, I'm like, yeah, so basically, Rob made me a flat earther. So as soon as I said that, I regretted it. I'm like, nobody's gonna do it.

SPEAKER_04: 1:57

I don't know, maybe we need Greenland because the earth is I literally text him like, don't you dare.

SPEAKER_03: 2:03

And I get on Twitter, I'm like, guys, I'm sorry, I think I put them down another look.

SPEAKER_04: 2:07

We've gone down some rabbit holes, but I don't think we want to do the flat earth rabbit hole. I just I don't see the purpose of them lying about it, but we'll do that, we'll do that another.

SPEAKER_03: 2:17

Do you so Adrian thinks nukes are fake? We've had that discussion on guns and rosaries, so I'm curious as to how you feel.

SPEAKER_04: 2:25

Okay, so I have seen like the footage that shows they're kind of just like BS. Like, so like I have seen like they kind of footage shows that they're just BS. So so it's like like the the they'll show footage of like nukes going off and stuff and like everything just getting obliterated, but it's like I don't know. There's there's footage that shows like the whole thing is faked and it's more just nonsense. I don't I don't nah, I think we have nukes. I think that we are destroyers of planets at this point, like and I think that they used all sorts of occult stuff to get to that point. Like, I I think it's more that they they messed around with demonic technology to figure it out. Possible, yeah, which is a weirder conspiracy theory than just saying they're faking that they have nukes, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 3:12

Well, except if it's fake. What prevented the US and the Soviet Union from going to war for 50 years?

SPEAKER_04: 3:23

Like things got things got really, right?

SPEAKER_03: 3:28

Right, right, yeah. So uh what why is Israel still exist? If nukes don't exist.

SPEAKER_04: 3:38

Yeah, no, no, they definitely exist. I don't like I said, I I think they exist. I think that the way they got to that technology was through wicked means. Like I think they were playing with witchcraft and stuff like that. But um, but we have a very big announcement tonight. I wonder if if our new sponsors believe nukes are real. Oh, so they're so we yes, way to kick off a show with our new sponsor, flat earth and nukes are fake. Um, so here's the thing: I have been really excited waiting for this sponsor to actually give us the go-ahead because I have been using this product for for two weeks now. For two weeks, I've been using this product. Now, we legally have to tell you guys this is not a smoking cessation device, and they do contain nicotine, and nicotine is addictive, so we have disclaimers, okay? But one first, there's a couple things here. One is I think it is so awesome that our show does not have typical like real estate for life or feed a dot ed for dot e whatever for email, or like we don't have your typical Catholic sponsors. What we actually have are Catholic entrepreneurs, families who are trying to start real businesses that are not just for Catholics, right? Like, so these are these this is how we can support Catholics for in something. So these are nicotine lozenges.

SPEAKER_03: 5:03

Now, what I have been doing, and they do they do prefer the term lozenge, they don't like it when you call it a mint, apparently.

SPEAKER_04: 5:09

No, it's they're nicotine lozenges, and what I have been doing is double packing with a zin. Okay, I've been going to Zen with a with a lozenge, and I really, really like the uh cool mint, um, or the cool, yeah, the cool. And uh man, I'll tell you, it's been two weeks, and I I I've I've realized that like just getting over the habit of doing this is not as hard as you as it needs to be.

SPEAKER_03: 5:34

If you thought get over the habit of doing what there, going like this.

SPEAKER_04: 5:39

You know what I mean. So listen, so we're very, very excited. Knickknacks are made by Catholics, not only made by Catholics. Look at the image on the front of the box. The image on the front of the box, if you show mine, Rob, because you can't really see it on there.

SPEAKER_03: 5:52

You wouldn't even you can see it better on here. There you go.

SPEAKER_04: 5:54

Okay, I didn't know you had a flat image of it. That is our lady's foot crushing the serpent's head. That is our lady's foot crushing the serpent's head. This is awesome. Okay, like we're going to take over. Well, I hope a black joke from Mrs. Casey. Unbelievable. My son bought me a shirt, by the way.

SPEAKER_03: 6:18

Okay, so well, okay, there is a reason for the name. One is it sounds like tick tock, uh, um, uh tic tac tic-tacks, and the other is I probably can't tell you because it's kind of personal on their end.

SPEAKER_04: 6:29

My wife thought the name was awesome, and you know what else my wife is ups uh excited about that I won't be leaving Zen pouches all over the house. Because, like, you know, when you're done with Zen pouch and you're just like, all right, what am I doing with this thing? And like, I'll leave those on like the coffee table and she'll get or in uh cup holders and a vehicle, yeah. Like all over the place. I leave them. My wife's like my wife's really excited that we got to we get to promote this company now.

SPEAKER_03: 6:52

Hey, what's nice is they are uh the the product itself is actually manufactured here in America, not over in India, India. So you don't know so like that guy on the last show, you don't have to worry about getting fecal matter on things.

SPEAKER_04: 7:09

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SPEAKER_03: 7:28

They're it's hard to see, but they're they're just almost like a little altoid size thing. What I like about it is you can break it in half or thirds if you don't want a whole thing, you just want a real little pack them in your lip.

SPEAKER_04: 7:39

You're supposed to pack them in your lip, yeah. So, okay, so Nick Knack's on board.

SPEAKER_03: 7:46

Also, oh, so the promo code, yes, you ab 25 will get you 25 off your order on Nick.

SPEAKER_04: 7:57

That's a big discount, man. Recusants gotta step up their game. You get 25. Yes, we are now drug dealers. Um, probably not at never mind. A B25 for 25 off. That's a huge deal. So we want to support them. Uh, apparently, the guy uh who runs who runs the company has been a local supporter for years. Um, and it's good, Rob was even saying it's like what's cool is like we're finally at a size where we're kind of big enough that we can now help them out. Like our like people that are growing these businesses watch our show and they're getting big enough where they need to start advertising, and we're just the right size for them to start advertising to a Catholic audience. So nicknack.com, go use code AB25 for 25% off.

SPEAKER_03: 8:44

Um, he probably will, but we're not getting that cut, so he's not gonna be double dipping that one that way.

SPEAKER_04: 8:50

Which I do double dip on my Recucin, which I just got my bottles of RecuSyn. I am drinking my Cabernet Sauvignon tonight. Um, uh RecuSyncellars, oh, the both companies are from Washington State too. I'm sorry, I know this is a very long intro, but we had a new a new sponsor, like we had to kind of go all out for them. But recusincellars.com use code base to check out for 10% off. Um, we are going to try and push them to 20% for Valentine's Day, especially. Valentine's Day is coming up. So we're gonna dictate terms to them, guys. We're gonna put it on because I brought, I mean, it's the perfect holiday to advertise wine.

SPEAKER_03: 9:28

It is, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 9:29

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SPEAKER_03: 10:08

I think uh the FDA would require us to tell you probably don't do that.

SPEAKER_04: 10:12

I'm doing it the whole show, so we'll find out, guys. I have I have one in my mouth now, and I'm drinking Recucent. So um, the other last and final housekeeping we are gonna say, Pope Leo just announced he's doing a Jubilee year for St. Francis. So if you visit a Franciscan order in in the form of a pilgrimage during the year 2026, from January 10th, 2026 to January 10th, 2027, you get a plenary indulgence. We're going to Assisi. We will be in Lav, we're going to be in Laverna. Does it work if you go visit Father Isaac? I don't know if he's no. I think you have to go to an actual like an abbey. You have to go to like a second or third order, um, Franciscan, but we're going to Assisi. So if you want, my trip to Italy now includes a plenary indulgence, and there are still some spots left. We are going from Rome to Pompeii and then spending four days in Assisi. We will visit Laverna, the monastery where Saint Francis received the stigmata. We will have mass in front of a Eucharistic miracle in Lanciano. We will also have mass at the chapel of the stigmata for St. Francis. So if you guys are interested, email Anthony at avoidingbabylon.com.

SPEAKER_03: 11:25

And look, guys, after a week with Anthony, you're gonna need that plenary indulgence because you're gonna I think it'll count as time of purgatory.

SPEAKER_04: 11:34

A week with you, not a converting you. So we did 11 minutes of ads. It's okay, they're fun. All right, so we were struggling about what to talk about tonight, and there was just one thing that just kept coming up, and it was this situation over in um Minnesota, uh Minneapolis. And Rob's from Minnesota, and uh, we were reading through like Michael Matt's tweets today, and uh Rob Rob has some counter arguments to Michael Matt. You want to bring Michael Matt's tweet up? Maybe we could jump into all that. Um there's one that is just impossibly long to read. Well, you know what? Let's read that one. We won't read the whole thing. We'll read we'll read a portion of it. The the more recent one, yeah, the one that you commented on. I commented on both of them. Well, the yeah, the one you just texted us in that group text. The first one I was a little nicer. Well, that's what happened. So Rob was like very cordial in the first one. So Rob Rob Rob texted me and he's like, Can I he goes, Do you ever want to speak at the CIC?

SPEAKER_03: 12:41

And he goes, Not really.

SPEAKER_04: 12:42

I'm like, Yes. No, I did not say that. I said it's not it's not that I wanna I I care if I speak at the CIC or not, because I really don't care, but I do I I don't want to unnecessarily start stuff with fellow Catholics, especially Catholics in the trad move.

SPEAKER_03: 12:59

Like I was just gonna say you you didn't want me to do that, but later in the day you told me to I can go after Kyle Whittington for having uh Katie uh what's her balls and uh Katie Prigeon and Father Casey Cole uh Casey um Cole Martin.

SPEAKER_04: 13:17

So yeah, Kyle's having Father Casey Cole and uh Katie Prijan at his content creator conference, and uh Rob knows can I say let's just encourage uh Catholic wife and mother as a content creator.

SPEAKER_03: 13:29

That's genius.

SPEAKER_04: 13:31

So Rob's like, can I say so? You can say whatever you want. He's like, We didn't say that about Michael Matt. I said, Yes, but I don't travel in Kyle's circles very much, whereas I already hate us.

SPEAKER_03: 13:42

We know this we have spies in his Discord.

SPEAKER_04: 13:45

So that that I'm not really concerned with what like the content creator conference thinks of me because those guys already don't like me, but I do travel in circles with a lot of the guys that speak at the CIC, and I and I do I do like Michael Matt. I do think we owe uh a an a lot of respect to Michael Matt for the work he's put in in this arena. Like, if it's not for Michael Matt, I don't know if we even do this, you know what I mean? It's stuff like that. It's the same thing with like Taylor Marshall, like we like these are guys that just they kind of paved the way for guys like us, so I don't like stepping on their toes unnecessarily, but I do think we can criticize things they say without insulting, especially when it's entirely outside of their arena. Yeah, it's a it's a political conversation, right? It's not we're not talking about the faith things like that. Like the last time we talked about Michael Matt was um with his Lila Rose defending Lila Rose.

SPEAKER_03: 14:31

Um he's had some terrible takes this year. Uh yeah, so Paul's asking discount code. Uh it's a b 25.

SPEAKER_04: 14:39

Yes. Oh, I thought it was a b 25. It's a b 25. Yes. Okay. A B25. I am I apologize, Nick Knack. I won't get that wrong again. Um, A B 25 for 25% off. Um, so yeah, so like his his take on the Lila Rose thing, I was a little critical of, but like again, I didn't insult Michael. I was just saying this this position is, you know, I this is why this is why young men are freaking out at Lila saying this. Now, this situation with his take on uh Minneapolis, Rob has a very different view than I not a very different view, uh a different perspective on it, I would say. Uh, I think Rob's gonna be more critical of Michael than I am. So let's just let's just go through it.

SPEAKER_03: 15:22

I think we should go through the first one first, just because whatever you're he makes a more coherent case in the first one as to what he is really Yeah, he's former law enforcement, right?

SPEAKER_04: 15:36

So Michael was a cop. Yeah, he was a cop.

SPEAKER_03: 15:41

Yeah, he was a cop. He hasn't just run his family paper.

SPEAKER_04: 15:45

Nope. He started off as a cop, and then I think his whole family is like a line of cops, too, and Catholic newspaper guys. So that's kind of where his perspective was coming from.

SPEAKER_03: 15:59

Uh let me pull up the tweet.

SPEAKER_04: 16:01

Um Bobby, we're not allowed to say this, Bobby. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We cannot say that they were allowed to quit smoking. We're not allowed to say that they are a smoking cessation device. We're not allowed to say that.

SPEAKER_03: 16:15

They are going to use while you're trying to quit, though.

SPEAKER_04: 16:19

Yeah.

unknown: 16:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 16:21

I don't think the FDA is watching our show, though. I think we're all right. Is that what he called it? You called them ice Gestapo, Michael Matt.

SPEAKER_03: 16:29

He did call them Gestapo at some point, yes.

SPEAKER_04: 16:32

Ice Gestapo. Um, yeah, look, we're gonna we're both gonna have some things to say about what Michael Matt said, but I think I'm a little more empathetic to what he's saying than you are.

SPEAKER_06: 16:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_04: 16:48

On illegal immigrants and ice tactics, Pope Leo and the Joe and Joe Rogan are right.

SPEAKER_03: 16:53

First off, that right there should make you question things.

SPEAKER_04: 16:57

All right, so let's see. How many people actually know an illegal immigrant? I know plenty of them, even up here in Minnesota. Many of them are not criminals, but it is easy to spot them. So this is not a rock, this is not rocket science uh science. Close the southern border. Are we even still working on a wall? Send in investigators and undercover agents to find out where the immigrants are, and then conduct this thing operation to arrest the criminal elements within the community. Compare compared to the big cities in the US, Minneapolis is a small town. If we were to use just one of the billion-dollar donations we're sending to Israel every year and apply that to the problem here, the ill illegal immigrant criminals would disappear overnight.

SPEAKER_03: 17:34

How? How? What tactic, Michael? So you it's it's like saying it's like it's like the left saying, Oh, it'll only take 40 billion dollars to get rid of uh to get rid of poverty.

SPEAKER_04: 17:47

How? Yeah, what bring up the other tweet. I think I actually think the other one.

SPEAKER_03: 17:51

No, no, no, no, no, hold on, hold on. This just keep going.

SPEAKER_04: 17:54

Okay, so uh uh current Gestapo-like ICE tactic is uniting the community against federal law enforcement, which means the only winners so far are the actual criminals. What Minneapolis needs right now is a trained investigative task force, guys who will not run around the city like jack-booted thugs announcing their whereabouts at every intersection, but rather professionals who will go undercover like law enforcement does when breaking up drug cartels, infiltrate the community, find out who is illegal and dangerous, and take them out. For starters, go around round up the Somali daycare scammers who are illegally hacking the system and stealing millions of taxpayer dollars.

SPEAKER_03: 18:29

They are actually, Michael. They are that's who that's literally who they're trying to arrest. They're they're trying to the so far. Most of the rest have been uh Laotian uh gang members and child rapists, um, Venezuelan gang members and Somali scammers.

SPEAKER_04: 18:45

So part of the problem here is that all of these protests we're seeing are not organic protests, like these are so essentially what happened was when Trump took office, I was expecting to see this kind of madness on the streets when he gets inaugurated. But because he comes in and signs those executive orders shutting down the NGOs, typically the money that these protests are funded by was taxpayer money running through NGOs being sent out to these street protests. So Trump cuts those off in the executive orders and they're scrambling for money. But now a year has passed essentially, and they've found other routes to get money to these NGOs. All of these protests you're seeing, these are paid protesters on the street that get trained out of the trade agitators, trained agitators. They're all this is not organic, this is not like people are just but what happens is once they get their their paid people in there, it inspires other people to come and it just kind of becomes a thing, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 19:41

And I I don't understand why. Um no, no, not they're not all paid protesters, but they're not all. No, so so these groups have have trained people who who follow ice, who watch for ice, and as soon as they see an ice operation begin in an area, so so I don't I don't Get Michael's point. So ICE largely does operate exactly like he wishes they would. Right? They they they have investigations, they figure out who is illegal, you know, because they they need as a law enforcement agency, they need reasonable suspicion to to detain someone to determine whether or not they are illegal. So they do need reasonable suspicion, and they get that through investigations. Um and once they have that info, they go in to make they go into to to detain a person or make a quick arrest, right? Like every other law enforcement agency. The difference is is one, they're pretty visible, right? Uh, because at this point everyone knows where they're operating out of what hotels they're in. So they're they're watched. And as soon as it's figured out where they're going, the the people that are doing recon will call in the other paid agitators who show up quickly.

SPEAKER_04: 20:50

It's not it's not just that. What's happening is there are people in 911 dispatch spots that are leaking info, hotel, hotel employees leaking info, right?

SPEAKER_03: 21:02

So ice cannot go around the city, you know, around a city without ever without these paid agitators knowing exactly where they are. So as soon as they start, which they hope to be a quick arrest, they have agitators already, you know, pestering them, protesting, whatnot. So then you need more, then you need ice agents not only making the arrests, you need them doing crowd control. Because the local police forces in the twin cities, especially in Minneapolis, and this is one reason why this is happening in Minneapolis and not necessarily in some of the suburbs, is because the Minneapolis police force has been ordered to not assist in crowd control. Yeah, so now you need more ICE agents there doing crowd control. That produce that creates a bigger response, and then you need more agents to deal with that. It's it you know, it's it's a it's a self-feeding system, basically.

SPEAKER_04: 21:53

Okay, bring up his other tweet because his other tweet gets into some of what what I kind of you know it. I I know your initial instinct is to say he's just he's kind of being like a boomer or something, like which I I don't he's being very emotional, it's a very emotional, um uh a very emotional, irrational response, I would say. Okay, so I I'm going to push back on that a little bit. And I'll I'll tell you why when we go through it. Um obey big brother, bro. This is not real. We all want immigration.

SPEAKER_03: 22:28

First off, that first sentence right there. Like that, that I mean, that's that's not an art logical argument. He's already starting off, you know, with an emotional, an emotional response.

SPEAKER_04: 22:42

All right, let me get let me get through because we're gonna we're gonna disagree. And I'm going to I'm going to maybe defend him here. Uh, this is not real. We all want immigration reform. We all spent four years seething at the Soros-backed open border policy of the last administration. I'm a conservative who fought hard against the blue hairs during the BLM riots, who wanted to defund the police. And I have uh paper trail five years long of pages of newspapers, newspapers prove it. But this is not real. Something very weird is going on here as the Trump administration seems unconcerned that their ice raids are enraging people from all political walks here in Minnesota and uniting us against the bizarre flex that in the normal times would cause significant political damage, especially in the midterms. Um, okay, so I I think there's something to that. Like, I think this is not normal. Like, well, and of course it's not normal. We're not in normal times. I know we're not in normal times. And I know the answer, like, there's going to be the reaction of people saying, like, you're not willing to make sacrifices to fix our country, something like that, right? What is what uh what we're worried about with immigrant mass immigration is that our country is destroyed, right? That's essentially what we're worried about. Well, like, we don't want our country to be destroyed by just letting it open up to foreign invaders, and then the whole dynamic of the country changes. Like, this is this is essentially what we're all worried about.

SPEAKER_03: 24:05

It's literal survival as a nation.

SPEAKER_04: 24:08

Now on the table. So, but at the same time, what is what I see as happening is the destruction of our nation, anyway. Like the way this is taking place, like I'm watching this, and I just feel like all of us are being so manipulated right now. And I'm watching the left get manipulated hard, I'm watching the right get manipulated hard. And what happens is you see somebody get their eye shot out with a uh like a rubber bullet, and your instinct is to go, yeah, F-A-F-O, man. Screw around and find out. I don't know what to tell you. But like there's something to us being becoming callous in heart. Like there's something to there's something to what Leo is telling everybody about look, every nation has a right to defend its borders, we have a right to, you know, make sure that a nation remains a nation, but we have to be cautious about how we go about this. Like, and watching I know these protests are not like organic, I know they're not, but I also know that we're all being propagandized. And even with the girl getting shot in the face, like it's okay to have empathy in that scenario.

SPEAKER_03: 25:29

Of course, like it's it's okay to say like we should we shouldn't be celebrating any of this. The fact that this has to happen is a a damn shame, and you know, it's a tragedy, but uh let's not fool ourselves that this is something that doesn't have to happen, right?

SPEAKER_04: 25:44

And the thing is, like this this thing that is happening in our country is complete manipulation uh at on levels that we don't even know are happening, like they're just the the way our social media algorithms are working, like we've we talked about this when the when the uh the the trans Christian shooter went down to the school, right? And we were like, because the worry was always that when AI comes, it's going to be like Terminator 2, and they're gonna have machines take over, and you're gonna be fighting machines. And it's like that's not actually what happened. What happened is algorithms took over and they manipulated humans to do what the hell they want, like humans became the machines because they no longer are able to have compassion and empathy, and they just dehumanize the other side, and now they think that like the people on the left that are in these protests think they are righteous in what they're doing. Like, yes, did you want to say something? I don't want to cut you off.

SPEAKER_03: 26:44

I'll just say let's not um let's not say algorithms like they're some sort of uh primordial force without people controlling them a hundred percent, right?

SPEAKER_04: 26:54

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, one hundred percent humans set these algorithms in order to like flare tensions, like they but we have to understand where who is setting most of those algorithms? The left, it's not just the left.

SPEAKER_03: 27:08

Okay, so it is uh I might own Twitter, but most of Twitter's employees are still yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 27:15

No, no, no, I don't disagree with that. I don't disagree with that. I I think so. I don't see this as a left-right divide as much as you do.

SPEAKER_03: 27:22

I think like like I think that left and right are way closer. If you're thinking about American, American left and right, no, it's not, but but I mean when I say right, I mean like true conservatism, like like like the people on the ground, like you're a conservative versal versus a leftist.

SPEAKER_04: 27:37

I get, but I when you're getting up to the powers of the top, like if there's anything that we've seen, no, there's no all the powers of the top are liberal in in in the in the true sense of the word, right?

SPEAKER_03: 27:50

Some are just um some are you know progressive liberals, some are neocon liberals, some are you know technocratic liberals, they're all liberals, but I mean there are they're not all it's not one one big I understand that group.

SPEAKER_04: 28:04

No, no, no, I understand that. I so yeah, I get that. I know that's not all one thing. I we talked about this last time, right? Like there are factions battling each other and stuff, but what we also talked about last time was this idea of divide and conquer, right? Like if we're fighting with our fellow citizen, if we're if we're if we're on the ground and you think the enemy is your cousin who's a leftist, and it's like it prevents any of us from looking at the real people that are destroying our country in reality. Like these are the people that are actually raping our financial institutions that are actually so it serves them to keep us at war with each other. No, no, look, right now it's the left at war with the federal government, right? It's essentially the left at war with with I would say it's the left at war with the American nation, not with the just the federal government.

SPEAKER_03: 28:55

The left hates the left hates the idea of an American nation, they hate the idea of an American people, uh, of all of it.

SPEAKER_04: 29:03

Well, I think the where I'm where I'm going with it is right now it's Trump is in, and we're like, okay, these feds are coming in and they're breaking up I uh they're ICE agents and they're coming in and they're deporting immigrants. But I'm thinking back to when Biden was in and it was COVID, and they these same types of agents were going in arresting pastors for opening their churches, and it's it's like there is something to the Jack Boot Gestapo where they I'm just following orders, man.

SPEAKER_03: 29:33

I know, but I think a lot of these what which Jack Boot Gestapo do you want in charge?

SPEAKER_04: 29:38

Oh, I'd much prefer the one we have in now. Don't get me wrong, but like I'd much rather the one that's in now. Um but uh there is also the element of a lot of these ICE agents are recent hires, they probably went through minimal training. They are not they're not like typical law enforcement.

SPEAKER_03: 29:54

Okay, stop is staffing. I just know they had a massive hiring spree that they've gone on, and they're giving and they largely hire they largely hire uh military vet veterans, other law enforcement, you know, age, you know, uh officers and agents, like they're not just hiring bums off the street. No, they're not just hiring bums off the street.

SPEAKER_04: 30:12

Okay, all right. Yeah, listen, I'm gonna catch a lot of crap for this. I know I am. Um listen to me. I know I am. I know I'm the villain in this episode. I'm fully aware of it. I know L take and believe me, guys. I'm you listen to what I'm listening to what we're doing here, okay. We did, we did talk. We talked about this in the green room, and it's like we look the the the the job we have tonight is to vote to kind of voice both sides of the argument, right? Typically, Rob's bad cop. I said I'll play bad cop tonight. It's not that I and and it's not that um I'll tell you what what where my position really is is that I'm I'm very worried about us losing our humanity, right? That's that's all I'm actually concerned about.

SPEAKER_03: 30:58

And I like I agree with you 100%.

SPEAKER_04: 31:01

It's like I I know this stuff has to happen, I absolutely know this stuff has to happen. Um, but I'm concerned with us losing our humanity. I'm concerned with us losing any kind of empathy towards people that are suffering or her, things like that. Like there's there's a lot, um, there's a lot of things I'm worried about. Like, we tried to talk about this with the with the interracial marriage issue the other night. And like there's it's one thing to hold like an ideal and say, yes, okay, this is what, but then when you when you meet people in reality in that situation, it's like it's it's like yes, like in principle, I think like people should marry within their own culture, but then when you meet a couple who might be married in that, like you have to treat them with love, is the is is the essence of what I was getting at, right? So you you could still hold that one thing as the ideal, but not call someone uh uh a horrible thing because they intermarried, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 31:56

You know, anytime when it comes to to political upheaval or or you know, civil conflict, military conflict, your side might be the most just, you know, your side might have the most just cause in the world, but you know, unjust things will still happen on all sides. You know, the the the crusades, I think everyone here and probably in our chat will agree the crusades were just no matter what the left, you know, in this day and age says says says they were just. But we also do have to acknowledge that there were points in which bad things were done by people fighting for God, right? So so yes, you're absolutely right. We have to keep our humanity, we we have to we have to keep our principles, our Catholic values, our Catholic principles. Um, we have to follow the Ten Commandments, all this stuff. But we also you know have to be real about what what needs to happen and what what will happen in that process no matter no matter what what you do how you because here's here's what's happening they're going to play on your heartstrings, right?

SPEAKER_04: 33:08

So, this right here with Fed saying what is your guys' take on the teenagers being detained by ice? Is that acceptable? If it even happened, we don't even know that's that's kind of what I'm getting at, right? So now if ice is actually just stopping random people on the street because their skin is brown, like that shouldn't be okay. Like, that's not reasonable and Anthony's not saying that's happening. I'm not saying that's happening. If that is happening, that shouldn't happen because I still think law enforcement should have to have reasonable suspicion in order to go and do things. Like, like, I don't want to be walking down the street because I have a very dark tan and get stopped and asked for my papers.

SPEAKER_03: 33:47

Like, I don't want to I would say we're not at that point yet, right? I don't think we are. But if if some if things continue down this road, right? And if it to the point where there is like true, true insurrection against against the nation, then I'm sorry, but I'm I'm not like a strict constitutionalist anymore, like I was.

SPEAKER_04: 34:08

Like I understand, we could I also don't I'm all for saving my country, but I don't want that to come at the expense of living under like a real tyranny.

SPEAKER_03: 34:18

I'm okay with okay, but but I would say that's I mean is that a real tyranny? Like what being asked to prove you're a citizen? Now what I think it is harder than most people realize. Like in a state like Minnesota, you can't just give someone your driver's license and have that prove you're a citizen because everyone gets the driver's license. Yeah, so I mean, how many people carry their uh and you can get a social here in Minnesota, you know. So, like, are you gonna carry your birth certificate around?

SPEAKER_04: 34:49

I don't know, dude. I still want to be in a free country. That's all I'm saying. Like, I still want to be in a free country. That's like I don't like I I understand the conversation where it's going, and like the way the situation is devolving right now, like the tensions are so high. Like what I was telling Rob earlier today, we we talked on the phone, and I was like, I feel like we're looking at like a Rwanda situation where the people hate one another so much that this could turn into like real, real violence on the streets between people. And my fear is once it gets to that point, like you now have you now have foreign nations interfering, providing weapons to the to the to the one side because they want to see our country in flame, they want to see us at war and civil war with each other. And my point that one that show a couple episodes ago was it's like keeping us at fighting with one another, it makes us easy to divide so that they can conquer us. And okay, we're going to have other other people. Well, it could be Russia and China with interest in that, right? Yeah, yeah. So, like, we've allowed the Chinese to buy up tons of property in the US, they're all over our country, they're like so they have a vested interest in the American government or the American population at war with each other, so they could be added to the 10 G's, and I would that that is why we need to expediently get rid of the people in this country that are not loyal to it. Do you think part of the reason all the H1Bs from India have something to do with trying to court India for the from the BRICS nations? I don't know. I don't think so. I know, okay. It's just something that kind of like pop like why are we doing that with them? Like it's a weird thing, like the that's corporate greed is what they're doing.

SPEAKER_03: 36:39

That's all that is. I always think greed mixed with mixed with um in things inherent to Indian culture that lend itself to taking advantage of that.

SPEAKER_04: 36:49

Yeah, um, I will always think that like I'll always have that image of Israel wants to take over the Roman Empire. So I'm always going to have that in the mix where I think to them, as long as we're at war with each other, they don't care if it's the right, the left, they just want to see crap popping off. But there it will get to a point when you have violence popping off, gets to a point where the like local law enforcement steps out of the picture and it just becomes mayhem and people killing each other, and you don't get arrested for it because now it's a war. Like once it becomes a civil war, like you're not getting arrested for murder if you shoot somebody anymore. Like it's like oh we're in we're in battle, man. Like it's war.

SPEAKER_03: 37:28

Once you hit full breakdown, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 37:31

Like that's what I worry about, right? And look, we all have normalcy bias, and we think that's never going to happen here, but I don't see a way out of it. I don't see a way that this thing can be can be stopped at this point, right? Like, I don't I I think we are on a course of action right now that leads to one of two options, like a dictatorship. What what do you think? What do you think? Like, I think I think you have to have a dictator come out of this to to to you you need it's gonna be chaos, and you need to bring order out of chaos, and you get a strong figure that comes in and restores order.

SPEAKER_03: 38:08

If um if we are not if the country is not successful with this um immigration enforcement, then the the actual fabric of the nation, of the people, will at some point dissolve, right? And you will have uh you will you really will have balkanization. Um it just won't or or either or you don't and the left comes to power, and then then you get if the left comes to poetry union.

SPEAKER_04: 38:48

If the left comes to power, here's my point. If right now we're like, well, Trump's in and it's ICE agents doing this, if the left comes to power, it flips over and they are coming for us, way worse, right? So I am very worried about what kind of power we're giving to but but that was going to happen no matter what Trump did. It was happening under Biden, it was already starting, right? And that's kind of the point I was making. Like during COVID, we saw this overstepping of the federal government, it it just got so out of hand. Depending on what state you lived in, your life would could have been a living hell, or it could have been like, hey, this ain't so bad.

SPEAKER_03: 39:25

We don't the this notion that that what's happening right now is crazy. The idea of a president invoking the insurrection act is just unthinkable. Um, over one third of the presidents that have ever served have invoked the insurrection act during their term. Yeah, like 37% of presidents have invoked it. So it's really not that abnormal.

SPEAKER_04: 39:44

It's so crazy because like Trump has still not even come close to deporting as many people as Obama did. But the way it's being portrayed okay, hold on.

SPEAKER_03: 39:53

Once again, that's leftist bullshit. The the deportations under Obama. So what Kona's a deportation under Obama is uh is someone would come to the border and you know, and for whatever reason did we turn away, turn around. That's a deportation. Then they come back, we do it again. That's a deportation. So it was like all okay, okay.

SPEAKER_04: 40:15

You see that, but do you see what I mean by like propaganda, the way things are given, right? So you don't even know what to believe, right? It's like this you we just watched the past week them telling us the Iranian people are having a revolution and they're going to overthrow the government of Iran. And it's like, I don't know, I saw a protest, and you know, a couple people throwing Molotov cocktails. But if you looked at Greece a couple of years ago, you thought Greece was on fire. And Rob said before, he goes, Because, yeah, you look at France every year, you see those yellow vests, you think they're gonna overthrow the French government once a year. You hear the fifth republic is falling, and it's like, and then if people are watching the news in the UK and they see America and they're watching Minneapolis, they think all of America's on fire, but it's not, it's these localized events that are happening, so so much of it is just you're fed something and you fall for it. Now, now the the thing is what's happening with but this left-right divide, man. The people on the left, they they are you're dealing with an enemy that is so far, like deep, like they're so far from Christ. Like you're talking about people who have been in mortal sin for so long, man. Like they are capable of levels of evil that you guys can't fathom. Like, I I got I just can't look. I know we all have this thing, and we're like, I'll defend my family. I don't care if I have to take someone's life. I never want to kill somebody, I don't ever want to be in that situation. Ever, ever, ever. Please, God, never put me in a situation where I have to take someone's life out of self-defense. If we're in some kind of a ground conflict, like, I don't think you guys understand how much you lose your humanity when you start doing stuff like that. Like, it kills you, it kills your soul, like mortal sin. Even if it's a justified killing, man, like you taking a human life, dude. I shot a bird with a BB gun when I was a kid, and I was like, like the the level like I know people hunt all the time, and they get I can't. But I'm just saying, like when I was a kid, the first bird I hit, like I remember just being like, Oh my gosh, man, that was a life. Like I it had a profound effect on me. Like, like, because it was it wasn't for something, right? You hunting, you're killing to eat it, right? But like it was just it was just like, Oh, I got a baby gun, let me take this bird's life. And it was like, that was a life that God created, like, and I'm just I'm just telling you guys, like, we all have this normalcy bias, and we think nothing's ever gonna happen. I'm just telling you, the enemy you're fighting, these people are so far from God, you don't know what they'll do. Like, I don't want to be in a situation where there's roaming band bands of marauders raping women, like, I don't want that, man. And that's the level of lawlessness that will happen. Like, you read about the accounts of the end times, man. You're talking about nations will be annihilated, and you're and it's the the stuff that the stuff that can come from that is terrifying.

SPEAKER_03: 43:14

Yeah, uh what what I don't like to see is this thing's from like like this from Michael Matt that seem to like give a false equivalency between the leftists and and like the the Trump administration. I'm not gonna say the right because they're really not the right.

SPEAKER_04: 43:31

Well, bring his other tweet up because his other tweet is kind of funny. Like he's bringing up he's bringing up Joe Rogan and Jimmy Dore.

SPEAKER_03: 43:37

I'm just I'm just saying, like, like on the right, it's like Jimmy Dore, you you cannot compare these two, and and this is one of the a lot of birds go to happy joan.

SPEAKER_04: 43:47

I feel a lot a lot more at ease. I killed a bird, but I sent them right there.

SPEAKER_03: 43:50

Yeah, that soul was annihilated right away.

SPEAKER_04: 43:52

Anyways, um I don't I don't kill animals, I buy my chicken from the store. Um, I'm not I'm not like I'm really not like a bleeding heart liberal guys. I'm just I'm just trying to say like there's something profound about like when you cross a line, right? And look, you you see it from guys who go to war. You you you watch these documentaries about guys who went through war, and it's not even that you see it in guys who are in modern warfare, right? And they come home and something happens to them when they're on that when they're over in the Middle East and they kill a bunch of people, and then they come back and they can't live a normal life anymore. Like they can't, but a lot do, and no, I know, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, for sure, for sure. But I know like a lot of I do know personally a lot of guys who went over there and the like they lived these lives that were so thrilling, like they were always going on these missions and stuff, and then they come home and their life is so mundane, and they're like re-enlisting to go back on another tour because they can't even deal with like the normalcy of life anymore. I'm talking about that. I'm not talking about like PTSD and stuff, I'm just saying, like, being in a situation like that like detaches you from reality, and it it almost makes us you'll never live a normal life again. Like you go over there and you're taking lives and stuff. There are guys who absolutely can do it, but you know, there's a lot of guys who can. It it affects you when you're when you're going over there to do stuff like that. And if it's happening in your own backyard and you're killing your neighbor, what do you think that's gonna do to you?

SPEAKER_03: 45:26

I say I think it'd be better to look at um at those who survived, like what happened to the Balkans in the 90s and stuff like that, because I think that's that's a lot closer to what things are gonna be like. Um but what I was saying is like one of the things that um is most upsetting to me about a lot of people in the trad movement, and I know this whole uh Rag on Trad thing didn't go over so well from the last episode, but but like there's this there's this idea that um uh what wait, what didn't go over so well? Just um like my tweet about the trad about trads.

SPEAKER_04: 46:04

Well, I th I think you said look, I don't I didn't even necessarily agree with it uh full like wholeheartedly, but I think that's kind of like what's good about this show is that we don't always agree on everything. Like even one of the even this, like you don't need to agree, like we're kind of hammering out an idea. Oh my god, let me talk. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03: 46:22

Sorry for saying omg. Um one of the things that is most frustrating to me about many trads is like this the the the this false equivalency that they always feel like they have to put, you know, oh yeah, yeah, the left is evil, but uh, you know, uh the but the right or the conservatives or but the or the Republican Party or or American General is evil, you know, is evil in all these ways. And it's like, yes, yes, America has done bad things, the Republicans aren't perfect, they're really not conservative, blah blah blah blah blah, but they're not the same. Yes, what one one side is incredibly flawed, the other side is literally demons, yeah. You know, like let's not let's not yeah, I'm not false.

SPEAKER_04: 47:09

I'm not, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not no no no no that's kind of my point with this, though. Like, they're literally demons, and that's what we're up against, right? Yeah, like you're you're uh you're like because even look, like even the non-catholics, like the the people on the right at least have like look, I'm frustrating. I I can push a man to cross boundaries. So I was the thing is I'm drinking wine, like I don't know, Rob. I'm gonna be a little more verbose than usual. Um, we're we're talking about something uh that's like we're you're you're the even the people on the right that maybe they don't go to church and then on the sacraments and stuff, they still at least have like some semblance of the light of Christ in their life, you know what I mean? Like they're they're like some level of natural virtue, maybe yeah, like they're not totally depraved, but what think about what we're talking about on the left. Like you're talking about people who want to literally cut their kids' genitals off and things like these people are so mired in their depravity that for for them, once they like and what they think they're doing in these protests is they like they see good as evil and evil is good, right? Like Christ warns about that. Woe to you if you call good evil and evil good, because something happens to you where you you you get to the point where you're past the unpardonable, unpardonable sin. Like that is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. When you're calling evil good and good evil, that is the unpardonable sin. It's like you're you're you're you're beyond saving. And once you're beyond saving, like there's no level that you won't go to. And and man, that's that's when you get soldiers will go in and they'll rape an entire population of women like Russia, like the Soviets, the to Germany.

SPEAKER_03: 48:54

Like, there it just there's so many are the people that will dig up the graves of priests and nuns and desecrate their bodies, desecrate their bodies, so-called republicans in the Spanish Civil War. You know, that's what we're fighting.

SPEAKER_04: 49:06

So, all I'm saying, all I'm trying to do is like I know this has to happen. I know, like, if we if we have any hope of maintaining our American identity that we've known all our lives, because I know you were saying last episode, like, we do there is no American culture. Yes, there kind of is, though, right? And there's an American identity at minimum.

SPEAKER_03: 49:30

Well, if we have an American identity, if we ever want to create like a true American culture, if we ever want any chance at converting this nation, I'm sorry, we this has to be done.

SPEAKER_04: 49:43

So, right. So, the like there is something we do want to preserve our American identity, right? And if and if you just allow all these other like this idea of a multicultural democracy is nonsense, it's insane. I'm watching, believe me, I see it on the ground. I know what immigration has done to our nation. Like, I'm not, I know this stuff has to get done. I'm not by any means saying, Oh no, this is mean, don't do it. That's not what I'm saying. Um, I'm more concerned with this from a narrative level, and I'm saying whatever is going on, it like just seems kind of weird. Like the way this whole thing's being handled. I don't know if it could be handled better. I feel like they're just trying to get us to hate one another, and I think both sides are falling into it. The left is just way worse, but like we are very callous too. Like, we're we see a person get shot in the face, and we're just like, she deserved it. Like, don't I it was justified, but she like I'm just telling you, like, we if you don't have the ability to if you dehumanize your enemy, you've lost your human humanity. Like, there's something about that, like, you still have to see these people as as created in the image and likeness of God.

SPEAKER_03: 50:54

Yeah, it's like this comment. If the opposition is so far gone that apparently they can't come back, why are you so concerned with treating them poorly? It's not because of them, yeah. It's for us, it's for us, it's for our souls. Like, that's that's all I'm saying. We are still called to be perfect as our father in heaven is perfect.

SPEAKER_04: 51:10

Look, the antichrist is not coming to fool the the lost, like they're lost, right? He's coming to fool the elect, and it's the same thing with the spirit of antichrist. So I'm not saying like the antichrist, literally, I'm saying like the spirit of antichrist comes to take out like the devil is always on the prowl trying to take our soul. And if you lose your humanity, like you become the thing you are criticized. Like, I don't want that to happen to us. I'm not some bleeding heart liberal, I'm not at all. I'm not I'm not saying any of that. I'm saying, like, we cannot lose our humanity, man. And like, honestly, you are called to love your enemy. That is the hardest freaking call of the gospel. I don't care what anybody says, like, you are called to love that woman who was shot in the face, so it's very easy to go, yeah, she deserved it, but I don't care what you say, like she's created in the image and likeness of God, and I'm sorry, but how you treated the least of these, you what you did unto the least of these, you did unto me. And that's a freaking really hard thing to grasp because there are some people that you just want to spit on because they they deserve it. Yeah, but like I don't know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03: 52:23

I mean, it it's a tragedy. She died in a fashion, whether she's at fault or not, that prevented her from making things right with God, right? I mean, that's a tragedy.

SPEAKER_04: 52:34

It's a soul loss. That is like that is like like we should all like like we should all be devastated that a soul was lost. Like, that's not like God created us all for Himself. So that's all I'm saying. Like uh because I the the sometimes the things I come on and I talk about are things that I'm worried about myself falling into, right? So I'm like I'm almost like giving myself a pep talk because I find myself I could so easily fall into that hole. Yeah, F A F O man. Screw around and find out, like and and I see things happen and I'm jaded and desensitized to everything. Like I it's almost like like I don't even I don't even know what these stupid screens have done to me, man. Because I've always been pretty good about being like empathetic and compassionate to people when I speak to them. But there are some things I watch online and I'm just like this visceral anger comes up for me. And some of it might be like real, like holy anger and justifiable. But when when we see something like we're seeing over in Minneapolis, uh like we should still be sad that this is happening in our country on just on a level that like shit, this shit's gonna get bad. Like it's going, it's going to get bad. That's all I'm saying. It's none of that. It's just I'm watching the things in our country happen, and I'm just like, oh, I'm worried about it, man. Like, I'm worried about what happens because I'm what I live in a I live in New York, and it's like I'm I'm not so much worried about my family. They're separated from it enough, but I work in the city, man, and you never know where some crap's gonna pop off. First off, second off, um it's uh I don't want the I don't want us at war in our own country when war pops off with Russia and we're so disunited here that we can't even come together and go fight the real enemy that we have to. Like that worries me too. If we're not if we're not together here, how the hell do you go and fight a foreign enemy at that point? And now my son's gonna get dragged over to one of these stupid wars, and I have no control over it, and it's and it I'm I'm more fearful for that of my son, even because like all this stuff we're talking about, right? Like, there's a very good chance none of us will ever see the violence. Like, the violence can happen because it's gonna be very isolated, right? It's happening in Minneapolis. Rob's up in the woods, he's not gonna, he's in Minnesota, but he's Rob saw this stuff happening six years ago, and he went, I'm getting the hell out of Minneapolis.

SPEAKER_03: 55:07

Yeah, I mean, it was it was getting yeah. The those who pretend like this is all because of uh the Trump administration. Um, like Michael Madd seems to think that it's retarded. Like, I don't know how you can live in that city and not not have seen this coming 10 years ago.

SPEAKER_04: 55:22

So so Rob saw the writing on the wall, and he's like, I'm moving my family to the woods. So, Rob, there's a very good chance you'll never see violence in your hometown, right? There's a very good chance, but that's the thing.

SPEAKER_03: 55:31

This isn't my hometown. Yeah, my hometown is down there. Like, I have I ran from it.

SPEAKER_04: 55:37

Like, my kids have a right to their hometown to the twin cities, like that is you that is actually your hometown.

SPEAKER_03: 55:43

And they're yeah, like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna quit.

SPEAKER_04: 55:48

Yeah, no, so so kind of so what I'm saying is like there's a very good chance you'll never see violence where you are, right? There's a very good chance I'll never see violence out on Long Island. There's a very good chance that if World War III does pop off, the theater of war is Europe. Like it's a very good chance that the theater of war is Europe, it's very low chance that it's America, right? It's not very low chance that the theater of war is America.

unknown: 56:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 56:14

Now, if our sons get whisked off to this war, there's a very good chance my son will survive. Like, you know, the majority of people that go to war survive. Like, it's not, you know, it's not like the majority dies, not like there's a very good chance they'll survive. But what kind of man does he come back as? Like, is he so far gone because of the things they made him do? That my son comes back a form a shadow of his former self. That's the those are the things I think about, right? And I don't know, man. Like just seeing people lose their humanity worries me. That's that's that's all. It's uh you know, I'm not I'm not trying to like be a bleeding heart liberal here. I'm not trying none of that. I'm I'm Catholic and I worry very much about my fellow Catholics and our souls, and it's it's a very important thing to me. Um, you can deport every illegal immigrant. What what do you do with the citizens who hate this country? We're not out of the woods in the least.

SPEAKER_03: 57:02

That's one of the and that that's kind of what I mean about like the Constitution, like like things like the Constitution, we um you know it's created by it was created by the people of this nation to serve the people of this nation. And if we're at a point where it is preventing us from working toward the common good, then even Catholic theology, Catholic moral theology would say, Well, it's time to get time to be done with it. If it prevents us from working towards the common good, time to be done.

SPEAKER_04: 57:32

Is wait, no, wait, where'd Don's comment? Which one I hate him all Hannah's saying is give peace and chance. I hate him, I hate his guts. Um I know military is an honorable employment, but when you are when you're drafted to something and you have to go look, it's not it's of course it's honorable. Like anybody that goes and lays down their life for my country, anybody that goes and offers their service to my country. Um of course it's an honorable thing. I'm just talking about like if real war breaks out, don't give him any ideas, stop it. Man, I'm never playing bad cop again. I'm taking the easy side of the argument every time. Um, all I'm saying is uh the desensitization that could happen over there. Like you're you're you I want I don't want my son to come back after having taken lives, man. Like something changes in a person when they take a life. I don't care, even if it's self-defense, even if it's you you you hear stories all the time about men who go to war and they come back and they're just not the same.

SPEAKER_03: 58:41

Uh yeah, yeah. I don't know. Like, obviously, it's not not an ideal, but um it happens sometimes. You have to go and um it happened for almost everyone, like until very recent history. Mrs. Homemaker, you too? Are you kidding me? I noticed she's back in the comments on the last few videos. Nice to see you, Samantha.

SPEAKER_04: 59:08

Um, you know what?

SPEAKER_03: 59:09

Let's go through some of let's go through some of these live uh super chats here.

SPEAKER_04: 59:12

Here's the here's the thing before we even get to those because like Fed has kids my age too. Like my son's 20. A lot of you guys don't have it isn't playing bad copy wants to deal with the police. I'm done, dude. I'm done. Screw it, bring in the army, let's go. Yeah, that there is there is truth to this. I know look, look, I started off the conversation by saying, like, I know the the like you have if you want to fix the country, you have to make sacrifices. And I'm and I actually am willing. My my fear is that we're not fixing the country. You're just cautioning it. Um that's it. It's my fear is that we're not actually fixing the thing, we're making something worse. So that's all I'm worried about. It's like, but like, do you think? I care if we have to like get illegal immigrants out. I don't care in the least. Like, they don't they have no right to be here. They came in here illegally, they have to go.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:07

And let's be honest, if Ant really does care, it's because he's worried about all the overtime he's gonna have to work when half his crew is gone.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:14

No, you know, you let me tell. Well, no, can I tell you something about that though? Because my wife, my wife, here's here's what I here's what it is. Um, my wife, if it wasn't for me, would be one of these bleeding heart, empathetic women who's she just would, and she even said that to me tonight. She's like, if I didn't have you to like ground me, like so. You think about all these women who are going to these protests, these women don't have real men in their lives, right?

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:40

And she and she said to me, Oh, you saying a butch lesbian in flannel isn't a real man.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:47

I'm saying, honestly, though, like a lot of these women who are going to these protests, like even Riley Gaines taking her baby to to Washington, and she's like, I have to wrap my baby in a bulletproof blanket. It's like, what are you doing? Where's your husband?

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:03

If you ever have to do that at any point and you chose to be there, lady, you made the wrong choice.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:09

Yeah, like how where's your husband to tell you no, stop it? We don't need the attention on us. There's a maniac leftist out there, like, stop it, I'll go and do this. Like, you don't, you don't, you shouldn't be doing this, right? So my wife said she's like, Don't you uh, I watched her get upset a cat died in a TV show. Nicole be cucked to that, Anthony. Was it Boondock Saints? No, wait, what was it? What were we watching, Bobby? Oh, we were watching the mass uh uh it was on Netflix that uh it was about like the man, it was a really twisted show, actually. It was very Catholic, and then all of a sudden it went like really demonic. Uh, I don't know, it was on Netflix. Yeah, oh Midnight Mass. No Midnight Mass on Netflix. Um, so she's like, Well, don't you have illegal immigrants working at your company? She's like, and what if that like what if they're taken from their families? And I'm like, okay, well, I have to explain something to you. Like, there are a few illegal immigrants who are here with families who like I might feel bad about, but like the majority of the guys that are illegal immigrants at my company, their wives are back in their home country, so they work, they get a paycheck, they're sending the paycheck back to their wives and they're sleeping with prostitutes. Like, that's the majority of them. So, like, no, I don't actually, I don't think I would feel bad if those guys got shipped out. Like, I don't, like, I'm I know the reality of it, guys. Don't think I'm you know what I mean. Like, I'm not doing that. What I'm doing, what I'm doing is what I tried to do last episode is just caution people from getting too desensitized from what we see on social media. That's all. Like, don't forget you're Catholic, don't lose your soul, don't lose your soul to propaganda that you're being fed. That's all. Like Michael Matt fell for propaganda too. That was kind of the point of this, right? Like, you see, Michael Matt is repeating things that he's seeing in the news because all of us are being fed a narrative right now, and you're being fed it on the right as well, and you're being manipulated on both sides, and that's just you know, we have these magic screens in front of us that have never existed in all of human history, and they're manipulating you. And you may think I'm impervious to propaganda. No, you're not. Every one of us falls for it, every single one of us are affected by feminism, every single one of us are affected by modernism. I don't care how trad you are, you're a freaking modernist. Every single one of us, not one of us escapes it because none of us actually the only people who escape it are the people who don't actually look at their device and they're just living their life up in the mountains. They're the only ones who aren't falling for it. If you're looking at a device, you're falling for propaganda. It's as simple as that. Nobody tells the truth. 100%. Yeah, this is a danger too. This is a danger too. I have to I jump to conclusions a lot. That's that's something I have to be careful of. Like, I I my the way my brain works is like I'm always thinking of the story 10 steps ahead, and it's like, oh, I see this and I see this. Is it's a thing I want I I have to be cautious about.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:08

Well, and I mean that was another thing. I I texted you uh about the whole Michael Matt thing. And I'm what I'm gonna say now isn't necessarily aimed like directly at my at Michael Matt. I'm not saying he does this or necessarily that anyone does this um consciously, but a lot of times when people are saying or when people are trying to tell you like what you're seeing with your own eyes is is not what's actually happening, and that there's something else that's really happening behind the scenes, you know. They're doing that so that you have to keep coming to them for the real truth, right? Like it's it's a form of Gnosticism, right? They're they're they're telling you that that that what makes sense logically and most simply, you know, like the whole Occam race Occam's razor, you know. Well, that's not the real truth. Here's the real truth. And if you want to know the real truth about what happens tomorrow, you gotta come back and watch my podcast, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:05:04

And dude, every one of these big I'm telling you, you guys, if you guys haven't checked it out yet, go check out uh the Twin Cities podcast, uh Theo's podcast.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:13

He had on um he had on a minneapolis and Saint Paul, by the way.

SPEAKER_04: 1:05:18

Nothing to do with Minneapolis and St. Paul, it has to do with influencers, and it has to do with how they're all kind of playing into this manipulation, and and that they the the they understand how people work and that we no longer watch the three major news networks. So they're the like Rob's Rob's show and my show will never get big. Um, because they've chosen the influencers who were big.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:45

Yeah, two two cities, not twin cities. I know I knew it sounded a little weird.

SPEAKER_04: 1:05:49

I mean, I think Rob would know at this point.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:52

Rob would know what you know it's the twin cities. Who said two cities? Oh, two cities. You called the podcast the twin cities podcast. Yeah, I'm like, that sounds weird.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:01

Well, that's because we're talking about the twin cities. The two cities podcast, Theo's podcast.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:08

Um uh I mean I'm kind of inferring that Michael. I mean okay, what I I'm not saying anyone does it purposefully, right? Because there is this um there is this drive when you're doing these things where you feel like you need a hot take every day, right? You feel like you need a hot take to get to get views, to be part of the conversation, right? Like like Anthony, we we we we wait and watch the news waiting for something we feel can be the lead. And it it's not because it's not because we want to make things sensational, it's because otherwise no one watches.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:47

Well, the thing is, so that was that was the dilemma today. It was like I like if I don't care about a subject, like there's not a good show, it's just as simple as that. It's just not going to be a good show. If like, yeah, if if one of us doesn't like isn't passionate about like the topic, it's not going to be a good show. So today was one of those episodes, and and we'll explain it actually on the locals show tonight. Yeah, um, there's a reason why this had to actually be talked about, and we'll talk about that on locals. We can't we can't say it on here.

SPEAKER_03: 1:07:14

Um not because we want to push everyone to locals, but because it's I mean, we do want to push everyone to locals.

SPEAKER_04: 1:07:19

We do, but it's a very yeah, but it's a personal thing, a very personal thing that led to this conversation, and um we'll have we'll have to talk about it over there. We can't talk about it over here. So if there's a very personal reason why this had to be talked about, um, but it's like but we've also had conversations like I don't actually care if the YouTube like the the last two YouTube videos we put out like bombed. I'm like, I really don't I really don't care what YouTube does.

SPEAKER_03: 1:07:48

We do think it'll be because of Ryzen being down all day yesterday, but if it's not, no big deal.

SPEAKER_04: 1:07:53

Like, I don't care if the YouTube channel grows at this point. Like, if we could if we could actually because we don't really make much money on YouTube anyway, so I'd rather talk about the more important stuff over on locals anyway, because I want our locals people to be happy that we're that like they're paying for stuff. I'd rather bring the better content over there, and typically we have the way better conversations over there, but it's like, yeah, if our show doesn't blow up, who cares? Like, I don't want to be famous, I don't have any like I we what we have now is a very comfortable like level of recognition where it's like, oh, I go to mass and one guy says hi. It's like that's fine, that's totally fine. Like Nick Fuentes was talking with Joel Webon about going to mass, and he's like, Yeah, you know, like if I like he was talking about some of the pitfalls of like how hard it is for him to even go to mass. I don't ever want to be in that situation, like I want to live my life totally normally. I never ever want to be that well known where you can't go out and that's insane. Kansas Owens can't go anywhere. That would be terrible. Um, so all right, so we'll we'll we'll actually wrap this side up. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:57

Um she might be able to time travel, though. You never know. What a loony!

SPEAKER_04: 1:09:01

Oh my goodness, that woman. She is funny. Uh I'm just still mad at her that George Farmer is not my friend. So I'm not gonna feel bad about saying things about her until George becomes my friend. Once George is my friend, I'll start sticking up for for Candace. Until then, it's war. All right, we're gonna go over to locals. We'll explain the backstory of this show. Um, it's a really interesting backstory, actually. It's a very interesting backstory, and you know what? It's actually not my personal story for once. It's actually not, it's actually Rob's personal story for once. So typically we tell Anthony's personal stories. Uh Rob's gonna open up a little bit tonight. So if you guys have never so excited, so throw you guys have never been on locals, you're in for a doozy tonight. So I'm I'm excited to see Rob uh share some a little. So we'll see. All right, guys. We are going to the other side. Uh Recus and Sellers, you go use code base to checkout for 10% off. Knic knack, uh uh nicotine lozenges, use code AB 25% for 25% off. And we will see you guys on the other side. You got an outro video ready? You got to play the one that everybody's asking for. Which one is everyone asking? Intro video from last episode. That's what everybody wants to be our outro video now.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:23

Okay. It's got the first 10 seconds of the intro, still, which kind of sucks. I'll fix that, but for now, here we go. Drink wine.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:03

Listen to the fucking listen to the wheel, before we get to the same thing.