Is America Reaching a Breaking Point Over ICE? (Full LOCALS Version)

Why are U.S. cities erupting after recent ICE enforcement actions? We unpack the timeline, the claims, and what a Catholic view of order and justice requires.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Cold Open: Greenland And Missiles
• 2:30 Flat Earth Banter Turns Serious
• 9:20 Do Nukes Exist And Why Deterrence Mattered
• 14:45 Sponsor Reveal: Nicotine Lozenges And Wine
• 23:10 Jubilee Pilgrimage And Indulgences
• 26:40 Pivot To Minneapolis: Setting The Stakes
• 30:20 Reading And Challenging Michael Matt’s Tweets
• 36:30 How ICE Works: Tactics, Leaks, And Agitators
• 43:10 Propaganda, Algorithms, And Hardening Hearts
• 50:05 Empathy Without Naivete: Justice And Mercy
• 56:40 Tyranny, Insurrection, And The Constitution
• 1:03:30 Division, Civil Risk, And Foreign Meddling
• 1:10:00 Keeping Humanity In Conflict
• 1:16:20 Detentions, Due Process, And Prudence
• 1:22:40 False Equivalence On Left And Right
• 1:29:30 Manipulation, Gnosticism, And Influencers
• 1:37:00 Monetization, Platforms, And Locals
• 1:43:40 Personal Backstory: Family, News, And Faith
• 1:53:20 Mothers, Boundaries, And Keeping Peace
• 2:03:10 Parenting Older Kids And Faith Balance

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 0:11

We need it for medicine open traction. We need green men for medicine. We have a very small puzzle.

SPEAKER_03: 0:37

Greenland is the center of everything. Okay, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. There's a lot of people are not gonna understand why that's hilarious. Okay, so listen, we we did a show. The last show we did talk about this. Like Rob had said, um, like it you so if you look at a flat map, you can't actually tell why Greenland is so strategic, but like if they fire a ballistic missile, it it kind of comes right over Greenland and it's the best place for us to get it at the apogee when it's like at the height, right? So I'm I'm thinking in my head, I'm going, wait, did did Trump Trump get in Greenland? Does that kind of disprove flat Earth? So I shot Rob a text, and I'm like, I'm like, if if the earth is flat, do we still need Greenland? And Rob goes, Oh no, no, I well I think about it and I just I I I just answer naturally, and I'm like, and and I sent Anthony on Wells the flat the flat earth.

SPEAKER_04: 1:32

Well, yeah, I'm like first I'm like, really, what the heck is this toward a question? Like, well, I might as well answer. It's all well, you know, if you look at a photo of the flat earth model, it would actually make Greenland more important because it's literally in the center of like the whole map, like it would be in the center of all shipping lanes, and then I'm like basically, oh no, I'm like, yeah, so basically, Rob made me a flat earther. So as soon as I said that, I regretted it. I'm like, nobody's gonna do it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:57

I don't know, maybe we need Greenland because the earth is I literally text him like, don't you dare.

SPEAKER_04: 2:03

And I get on Twitter, I'm like, guys, I'm sorry, I think I put them down another look.

SPEAKER_03: 2:07

We've gone down some rabbit holes, but I don't think we want to do the flat earth rabbit hole. I just I don't see the purpose of them lying about it, but we'll do that, we'll do that another.

SPEAKER_04: 2:17

Do you so Adrian thinks nukes are fake? We've had that discussion on guns and rosaries, so I'm curious as to how you feel.

SPEAKER_03: 2:25

Okay, so I have seen like the footage that shows they're kind of just like BS. Like, so like I have seen like they kind of footage shows that they're just BS. So so it's like like the the they'll show footage of like nukes going off and stuff and like everything just getting obliterated, but it's like I don't know. There's there's footage that shows like the whole thing is faked and it's more just nonsense. I don't I don't nah I think we have nukes. I think that we are destroyers of planets at this point, like and I think that they used all sorts of occult stuff to get to that point. Like, I I think it's more that they they messed around with demonic technology to figure it out. Possible, yeah. Which is a weirder conspiracy theory than just saying they're faking that they have nukes, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 3:12

Well, except if it's fake. What prevented the US and the Soviet Union from going to war for 50 years?

SPEAKER_03: 3:23

Like things got things got really hot and was always the reason why, right?

SPEAKER_04: 3:28

Right, right, yeah. So uh what why is Israel still exist? If nukes don't exist.

SPEAKER_03: 3:38

Yeah, no, no, they definitely exist. I don't like I said, I I think they exist. I think that the way they got to that technology was through wicked means, like I think they were playing with witchcraft and stuff like that. But um, but we have a very big announcement tonight. I wonder if if our new sponsors believe nukes are real. Oh, so there, so we yes, way to kick off a show with our new sponsor, flat earth and nukes are fake. Um, so here's the thing: I have been really excited waiting for this sponsor to actually give us the go-ahead because I have been using this product for for two weeks now. For two weeks, I've been using this product. Now, we legally have to tell you guys this is not a smoking cessation device, and they do contain nicotine, and nicotine is addictive, so we have disclaimers, okay? But one first, there's a couple things here. One is I think it is so awesome that our show does not have typical like real estate for life or feed a dot ed for uh dot e whatever for email or like we don't have your typical Catholic sponsors. What we actually have are Catholic entrepreneurs, families who are trying to start real businesses that are not just for Catholics, right? Like, so these are these this is how we can support Catholics for in something. So these are nicotine lozenges.

SPEAKER_04: 5:03

Now, what I have been doing, and they do they do prefer the term lozenge, they don't like it when you call it a mint, apparently.

SPEAKER_03: 5:09

No, it's they're nicotine lozenges, and what I have been doing is double packing with a zin. Okay, I've been going to Zen with a with a lozenge, and I really, really like the uh cool mint, um, or the cool, yeah, the cool. And uh man, I'll tell you, it's been two weeks, and I I I've I've realized that like just getting over the habit of doing this is not as hard as you as it needs to be.

SPEAKER_04: 5:34

If you thought get over the habit of doing what there, going like this.

SPEAKER_03: 5:39

You know what I mean. So listen, so we're very, very excited. Knickknacks are made by Catholics, not only made by Catholics. Look at the image on the front of the box. The image on the front of the box, if you show mine, Rob, because you can't really see it on there.

SPEAKER_04: 5:52

You wouldn't even you can see it better on here.

SPEAKER_03: 5:54

There you go. Okay, I didn't know you had a flat image of it. That is our lady's foot crushing the serpent's head. That is our lady's foot crushing the serpent's head. This is awesome. Okay, like we're going to take over. Well, I hope a black joke from Mrs. Casey. Unbelievable. My son bought me a shirt, by the way.

SPEAKER_04: 6:18

Okay, so well, okay, there is a reason for the name. One is it sounds like tick tock, uh, um, uh tic tac tic-tacks, and the other is I probably can't tell you because it's kind of personal on their end.

SPEAKER_03: 6:29

My wife thought the name was awesome, and you know what else my wife is ups uh excited about that I won't be leaving Zen pouches all over the house because, like, you know, when you're done with Zen pouch and you're just like, all right, what am I doing with this thing? And like, I'll leave those on like the coffee table and she'll get or in uh cup holders in a vehicle, yeah. Like all over the place. I leave them. My wife's like my wife's really excited that we got to we get to promote this company now.

SPEAKER_04: 6:52

Hey, what's nice is they are uh the the product itself is actually manufactured here in America, not over in India, India. So you don't know so like that guy on the last show, you don't have to worry about getting fecal matter on these.

SPEAKER_03: 7:09

Um now this is this is true. There are there are four states they won't ship to, and there's ten where they they ship to stores. You'd have to go into a store to get them. You guys will have to look those up as a list of them, but uh nicknack.com. Nick knack.com. If you guys can support them, if you like Zinn, try these. I promise you'll like them.

SPEAKER_04: 7:28

They're it's hard to see, but they're they're just almost like a little altoid size thing. What I like about it is you can break it in half or thirds if you don't want a whole thing, you just want a real little pack them in your lip.

SPEAKER_03: 7:39

You're supposed to pack them in your lip, yeah. Like they're packed in your lip. So, okay, so knickknacks on board. Also, oh, so the promo code, yes.

SPEAKER_04: 7:52

A B 25 will get you 25 off your order on Nick.

SPEAKER_03: 7:57

That's a big discount, man. Recusants gotta step up their game. You get 25. Yes, we are now drug dealers. Um, probably not at never mind. A B25 for 25 off. That's a huge deal. So we want to support them. Uh, apparently, the guy uh who runs who runs the company has been a local supporter for years. Um, and it's good, Rob was even saying it's like what's cool is like we're finally at a size where we're kind of big enough that we can now help them out. Like our like people that are growing these businesses watch our show and they're getting big enough where they need to start advertising, and we're just the right size for them to start advertising to a Catholic audience. So nicknack.com go use code AB25 for 25% off.

SPEAKER_04: 8:44

Um, he probably will, but we're not getting that cut, so he's not gonna be double dipping that one that way.

SPEAKER_03: 8:50

Which I do double dip on my Recusin, which I just got my bottles of Recucin. I am drinking my Cabernet Sauvignon tonight. Um, uh Recucin Sellers. Oh, the both companies are from Washington State too. I'm sorry, I know this is a very long intro, but we had a new a new sponsor, like we had to kind of go all out for them. But recusincellars.com use code base to check out for 10% off. Um, we are going to try and push them to 20% for Valentine's Day, especially. Valentine's Day is coming up. So we're gonna dictate terms to them, guys. We're gonna put it on because I brought, I mean, it's the perfect holiday to advertise wine.

SPEAKER_04: 9:28

It is, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 9:29

I mean, come on, can you think of a more appropriate holiday to get yourself a bottle of recusant wine? Go on the site, go order three bottles, get three bottles of recusant. You have a bottle saved for Valentine's Day, use code based at checkout for 10% off. Start pre-ordering their fruit, recusent sellers.com. I just started watching um um uh gunpowder on HBO, which is about the Recuscent Catholics in England, and it's about the gunpowder plot. And they talk about the Recuscent. And the whole time I'm watching it with my wife, I'm like Recucent Sellers. Like I just kept saying it over and over. So RecucentSellars.com use code based at checkout for 10% off. We love Recucent.

SPEAKER_04: 10:08

I think uh the F the FDA would require us to tell you probably don't do that.

SPEAKER_03: 10:12

I'm doing it the whole show, so we'll find out, guys. I have I have one in my mouth now, and I'm drinking Recucent. So um, the other last and final housekeeping we are gonna say, Pope Leo just announced he's doing a Jubilee year for St. Francis. So if you visit a Franciscan order in in the form of a pilgrimage during the year 2026, from January 10th, 2026 to January 10th, 2027, you get a plenary indulgence. We're going to Assisi. We will be in Lav, we're going to be in Laverna. Does it work if you go visit Father Isaac? I don't know if he's no. I think you have to go to an actual like an abbey. You have to go to like a second or third order, um, Franciscan, but we're going to Assisi. So if you want, my trip to Italy now includes a plenary indulgence, and there are still some spots left. We are going from Rome to Pompeii and then spending four days in Assisi. We will visit Laverna, the monastery where Saint Francis received the stigmata. We will have mass in front of a Eucharistic miracle in Lanciano. We will also have mass at the chapel of the stigmata for Saint Francis. So if you guys are interested, email Anthony at avoidingbabylon.com.

SPEAKER_04: 11:25

And look, guys, after a week with Anthony, you're gonna need that plenary indulgence because you're gonna I think it'll count as time of purgatory.

SPEAKER_03: 11:34

A week with you, not a converted you. So we did 11 minutes of ads. It's okay, they're fun. All right, so we were struggling about what to talk about tonight, and there was just one thing that just kept coming up, and it was this situation over in um Minnesota, uh Minneapolis. And Rob's from Minnesota, and uh we were reading through like Michael Matt's tweets today, and uh Rob Rob has some counter arguments to Michael Matt. You want to bring Michael Matt's tweet up? Maybe we could jump into all that. Um there's one that is just impossibly long to read. Well, you know what? Let's read that one. We won't read the whole thing. We'll read we'll read a portion of it. The the more recent one, yeah, the one that you commented on. I commented on both of them. Well, the yeah, the one you just texted us in that group text. The first one I was a little nicer. Well, that's what happened. So Rob was like very cordial in the first one. So Rob Rob Rob texted me and he's like, Can I he goes, Do you ever want to speak at the CIC? And he goes, Not really. I'm like, Yes. No, I did not say that. I said it's not it's not that I wanna I I care if I speak at the CIC or not, because I really don't care, but I do I I don't want to unnecessarily start stuff with fellow Catholics, especially Catholics in the trad move.

SPEAKER_04: 12:59

Like I was gonna say, you you didn't want me to do that, but later in the day you told me to I can go after Kyle Whittington for having uh Katie uh what's her balls and uh Katie Prigeon and Father Casey Cole, uh Casey um Cole Martin, same person.

SPEAKER_03: 13:17

So yeah, Kyle's having Father Casey Cole and uh Katie Prijan at his content creator conference, and uh Rob has let's just encourage uh Catholic wife and mother as a content creator.

SPEAKER_04: 13:29

That's genius.

SPEAKER_03: 13:31

So Rob's like, can I say so? You can say whatever you want. He's like, We didn't say that about Michael Matt. I said, Yes, but I don't travel in Kyle's circles very much, whereas I already hate us.

SPEAKER_04: 13:42

We know this, we have spies in his Discord.

SPEAKER_03: 13:45

So that that I'm not really concerned with what like the content creator conference thinks of me because those guys already don't like me, but I do travel in circles with a lot of the guys that speak at the CIC, and I and I do I do like Michael Matt. I do think we owe uh a an a lot of respect to Michael Matt for the work he's put in in this arena. Like, if it's not for Michael Matt, I don't know if we even do this, you know what I mean? It's stuff like that. It's the same thing with like Taylor Marshall. Like, we like these are guys that just they kind of paved the way for guys like us, so I don't like stepping on their toes unnecessarily, but I do think we can criticize things they say without insulting, especially when it's entirely outside of their arena. Yeah, uh it's a it's a political conversation, right? It's not we're not talking about the faith things like that. Like the last time we talked about Michael Matt was um with his Lila Rose defending Lila Rose.

SPEAKER_04: 14:32

He's had some terrible takes this year. Uh yeah, so Paul's asking discount code. Uh it's a b 25.

SPEAKER_03: 14:39

Yes. Oh, I thought it was a b 25. It's a b 25. Yes. Okay. A b 25. I am I apologize, Nick Knack. I won't get that wrong again. Um, A B 25 for 25 off. Um, so yeah, so like his his take on the Lila Rose thing, I was a little critical of, but like again, I didn't insult Michael. I was just saying this this position is, you know, I this is why this is why young men are freaking out at Lila saying this. Now, this situation with his take on uh Minneapolis, Rob has a very different view than I not a very different view, uh a different perspective on it, I would say. Uh, I think Rob's gonna be more critical of Michael than I am. So let's just let's just go through it.

SPEAKER_04: 15:22

I think we should go through the first one first just because whatever you're he makes a more coherent case in the first one as to what he is really Yeah, he's former law enforcement, right?

SPEAKER_03: 15:36

So Michael Matt was a cop. Yeah, he was a cop.

SPEAKER_04: 15:41

Yeah, he was a cop. He hasn't just run his family paper.

SPEAKER_03: 15:45

Nope. He started off as a cop, and then I think his whole family is like a line of cops, too, and Catholic newspaper guys. So that's kind of where his perspective was coming from. Uh let me pull up the tweet. Um Bobby, we're not allowed to say this, Bobby. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We cannot say that they were all you quit smoking. We're not allowed to say that they are a smoking cessation device. We're not allowed to say that.

SPEAKER_04: 16:15

They are going to use while you're trying to quit, though.

SPEAKER_03: 16:19

Yeah.

unknown: 16:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 16:21

I don't think the FDA is watching our show, though. I think we're all right. Is that what he called it? You called them ice Gestapo, Michael Matt. You did call them Gestapo at some point, yes. The ice Gestapo. Um, yeah, look, we're gonna we're both gonna have some things to say about what Michael Matt said, but I think I'm a little more empathetic to what he's saying than you are.

SPEAKER_04: 16:47

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 16:48

On illegal immigrants and ice tactics, Pope Leo and the Joe and Joe Rogan are right.

SPEAKER_04: 16:53

First off, that right there should make you question things.

SPEAKER_03: 16:57

All right, so let's see. How many people actually know an illegal immigrant? I know plenty of them, even up here in Minnesota. Many of them are not criminals, but it is easy to spot them. So this is not a rock, this is not rocket science uh science. Close the southern border. Are we even still working on a wall? Send in investigators and undercover agents to find out where the immigrants are, and then conduct this thing operation to arrest the criminal elements within the community. Compare compared to the big cities in the US, Minneapolis is a small town. If we were to use just one of the billion-dollar donations we're sending to Israel every year and apply that to the problem here, the ill illegal immigrant criminals would disappear overnight.

SPEAKER_04: 17:34

How? How? What tactic, Michael? You so you it's it's like saying it's like it's like the left saying, Oh, it'll only take 40 billion dollars to get rid of uh to get rid of the poverty.

SPEAKER_03: 17:47

How? Yeah, what bring up the other tweet. I think I actually think the other one.

SPEAKER_04: 17:51

No, no, no, no, no, hold on, hold on. This you just keep going.

SPEAKER_03: 17:54

Okay, so uh uh current Gestapo-like ice tactic is uniting the community against federal law enforcement, which means the only winners so far are the actual criminals. What Minneapolis needs right now is a trained investigative task force, guys who will not run around the city like jackbooted thugs announcing their whereabouts at every intersection, but rather professionals who will go undercover like law enforcement does when breaking up drug cartels, infiltrate the community, find out who is illegal and dangerous, and take them out. For starters, go around round up the Somali daycare scammers who were illegally hacking the system and stealing millions of taxpayer dollars.

SPEAKER_04: 18:29

They are actually, Michael. They are that's who that's literally who they're trying to arrest. They are they're trying to the so far. Most of the rest have been uh Laotian uh gang members and child rapists, um, Venezuelan gang members and Somali scammers.

SPEAKER_03: 18:45

So part of the problem here is that all of these protests we're seeing are not organic protests, like these are so essentially what happened was when Trump took office, I was expecting to see this kind of madness on the streets when he gets inaugurated. But because he comes in and signs those executive orders shutting down the NGOs, typically the money that these protests are funded by was taxpayer money running through NGOs being sent out to these street protests. So Trump cuts those off in the executive orders and they're scrambling for money. But now a year has passed essentially, and they've found other routes to get money to these NGOs. All of these protests you're seeing, these are paid protesters on the street that get trained to happen. Trained agitators. They're all this is not organic. This is not like people are just but what happens is once they get their their paid people in there, it inspires other people to come and it just kind of becomes a thing, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 19:41

And I I don't understand why. Um no, no, not they're not all paid protesters, but they're not all. No, so so these groups have have trained people who who follow ice, who watch for ice, and as soon as they see an ice operation begin in an area, so so I don't I don't Get Michael's point. So ICE largely does operate exactly like he wishes they would. Right? They they they have investigations, they figure out who is illegal, you know, because they they need as a law enforcement agency, they need reasonable suspicion to to detain someone to determine whether or not they are illegal. So they do need reasonable suspicion and they get that through investigations. Um and once they have that info, they go in to make they go into to to detain a person or make a quick arrest, right? Like every other law enforcement agency. The difference is is one, they're pretty visible, right? Uh, because at this point everyone knows where they're operating out of what hotels they're in. So they're they're watched. And as soon as it's figured out where they're going, the the people that are doing recon will call in the other paid agitators who show up quickly.

SPEAKER_03: 20:50

It's not it's not just that. What's happening is there are people in 911 dispatch spots.

SPEAKER_04: 20:57

Yeah, leak leaking info, hotel, hotel employees leaking info, right? So so ice cannot go around the city, you know, around a city without ever without these paid agitators knowing exactly where they are. So as soon as they start, which they hope to be a quick arrest, they have agitators already, you know, pestering them, protesting, whatnot. So then you need more, then you need ice agents not only making the arrests, you need them doing crowd control because the local police forces in the twin cities, especially in Minneapolis, and this is one reason why this is happening in Minneapolis and not necessarily in some of the suburbs, is because the Minneapolis police force has been ordered to not assist in crowd control. Yeah, so now you need more ICE agents there doing crowd control. That produce that creates a bigger response, and then you need more agents to deal with that. It's it you know, it's it's a it's a self-feeding system, basically.

SPEAKER_03: 21:53

Okay, bring up his other tweet because his other tweet gets into some of what what I kind of you know it. I I know your initial instinct is to say he's just he's kind of being like a boomer or something, like which I I don't he's being very emotional, it's a very emotional, um uh a very emotional, irrational response, I would say. Okay, so I I'm going to push back on that a little bit. And I'll I'll tell you why when we go through it. Um obey big brother, bro. This is not real. We all want immigration.

SPEAKER_04: 22:28

First off, that first sentence right there. Like that, that I mean, that's that's not an art logical argument. He's already starting off, you know, with an emotional, an emotional response.

SPEAKER_03: 22:42

All right, let me get let me get through it because we're gonna we're gonna disagree. And I'm going to I'm going to maybe defend him here. Uh, this is not real. We all want immigration reform. We all spent four years seething at the Soros-backed open border policy of the last administration. I'm a conservative who fought hard against the blue hairs during the BLM riots, who wanted to defund the police. And I have uh paper trail five years long of pages of newspapers, newspapers prove it. But this is not real. Something very weird is going on here as the Trump administration seems unconcerned that their ice raids are enraging people from all political walks here in Minnesota and uniting us against the bizarre flex that in the normal times would cause significant political damage, especially in the midterms. Um, okay, so I I think there's something to that. Like, I think this is not normal. Like, well, and of course it's not normal. We're not in normal times. I know we're not in normal times. And and I know the answer, like, there's going to be the reaction of people saying, like, you're not willing to make sacrifices to fix our country, something like that, right? What is what uh what we're worried about with immigrant mass immigration is that our country is destroyed, right? That's essentially what we're worried about. Well, like, we don't want our country to be destroyed by just letting it open up to foreign invaders, and then the whole dynamic of the country changes. Like, this is this is essentially what we're all worried about.

SPEAKER_04: 24:05

It's literal survival as a nation.

SPEAKER_03: 24:08

Now on the table. So, but at the same time, what is what I see as happening is the destruction of our nation, anyway. Like the way this is taking place, like I'm watching this, and I just feel like all of us are being so manipulated right now. And I'm watching the left get manipulated hard, I'm watching the right get manipulated hard. And what happens is you see somebody get their eye shot out with a uh like a rubber bullet, and your instinct is to go, yeah, F-A-F-O, man, screw around and find out. I don't know what to tell you. But like there's something to us being becoming callous in heart. Like there's something to there's something to what Leo is telling everybody about look, every nation has a right to defend its borders, we have a right to, you know, make sure that a nation remains a nation, but we have to be cautious about how we go about this. Like and watching I know these protests are not like organic, I know they're not, but I also know that we're all being propagandized. And even with the girl getting shot in the face, like it's okay to have empathy in that scenario.

SPEAKER_04: 25:29

Of course, like it's it's okay to sit like we should we shouldn't be celebrating any of this. The fact that this has to happen is a a damn shame, and you know, it's a tragedy, but uh let's not fool ourselves that this is something that doesn't have to happen, right?

SPEAKER_03: 25:44

And the thing is, like this this thing that is happening in our country is complete manipulation uh at on levels that we don't even know are happening, like they're just the the way our social media algorithms are working, like we've we talked about this when the when the uh the the trans christian shooter went down to the school, right? And we were like, because the worry was always that when AI comes, it's going to be like Terminator 2, and they're gonna have machines take over and you're gonna be fighting machines. And it's like that's not actually what happened. What happened is algorithms took over and they manipulated humans to do what the hell they want, like humans became the machines because they no longer are able to have compassion and empathy, and they just dehumanize the other side, and now they think that like the people on the left that are in these protests think they are righteous in what they're doing. Like, yes, did you want to say something? I don't want to cut you off. I'll just say let's not um let's not say algorithms like they're some sort of uh primordial force without people controlling them 100, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, one hundred percent humans set these algorithms in order to like flare tensions, like they but we have to understand where who is setting most of those algorithms? The left, it's not just the left.

SPEAKER_04: 27:08

Okay, so it is uh I might own Twitter, but most of Twitter's employees are still yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 27:15

No, no, no, I don't disagree with that. I don't disagree with that. I I think so. I don't see this as a left-right divide as much as you do.

SPEAKER_04: 27:22

I think like like I think that left and right are way closer about American American left and right, no, it's not, but but I mean when I say right, I mean like true conservatism, like like like the people on the ground, like you're a conservative versal versus a leftist.

SPEAKER_03: 27:37

I get, but I when you're getting up to the powers of the top, like if there's anything that we've seen, no, there's no all the powers of the top are liberal, in in in the in the true sense of the word, right?

SPEAKER_04: 27:50

Some are just um some are you know progressive liberals, some are neocon liberals, some are you know technocratic liberals, they're all liberals, but I mean there are they're not all it's not one one big I understand that group.

SPEAKER_03: 28:04

No, no, no, I understand that. I so yeah, I get that. I know that's not all one thing. I we talked about this last time, right? Like there are factions battling each other and stuff, but what we also talked about last time was this idea of divide and conquer, right? Like if we're fighting with our fellow citizen, if we're if we're if we're on the ground and you think the enemy is your cousin who's a leftist, and it's like it prevents any of us from looking at the real people that are destroying our country in reality. Like these are the people that are actually raping our financial institutions that are actually so it serves them to keep us at war with each other. No, no, look, right now it's the left at war with the federal government, right?

SPEAKER_04: 28:46

It's essentially the left at war with with I would say it's the left at war with the American nation, not with the just the federal government. The left hates the left hates the idea of an American nation, they hate the idea of an American people, uh, of all of it.

SPEAKER_03: 29:03

Well, I think the where I'm where I'm going with it is right now it's Trump is in, and we're like, okay, these feds are coming in and they're breaking up i uh they're ICE agents and they're coming in and they're deporting immigrants. But I'm thinking back to when Biden was in and it was COVID, and they these same types of agents were going in arresting pastors for opening their churches, and it's it's like there is something to the Jack Boot Gestapo where they I'm just following orders, man.

SPEAKER_04: 29:33

I know, but I think a lot of these what which Jack Boot Gestapo do you want in charge?

SPEAKER_03: 29:38

Oh, I'd much prefer the one we have in now. Don't get me wrong. I was like, I'd much rather the one that's in now. Um but uh there is also the element of a lot of these ICE agents are recent hires, they probably went through minimal training. They are not they're not like typical law enforcement.

SPEAKER_04: 29:54

Okay, stop is staff staffing. I just know they had a massive hiring spree that they've gone on, and they're giving and they largely hire they largely hire uh military vet veterans, other law enforcement, you know, age, you know, uh officers and agents, like they're not just hiring bums off the street. No, they're not just hiring bums off the street.

SPEAKER_03: 30:12

Okay, all right. Yeah, listen, I'm gonna catch a lot of crap for this. I know I am. Listen to me. I know I am. I know I'm the villain in this episode. I'm fully aware of it. I know L take and believe me, guys. I'm you listen to what I'm listening to what we're doing here, okay. We did, we did talk. We talked about this in the green room, and it's like we look the the the the job we have tonight is to vote to kind of voice both sides of the argument, right? Typically, Rob's bad cop. I said I'll play bad cop tonight. It's not that I and and it's not that um I'll tell you what what where my position really is is that I'm I'm very worried about us losing our humanity, right? That's that's all I'm actually concerned about. And I like I agree with you 100%. It's like I I know this stuff has to happen, I absolutely know this stuff has to happen. Um, but I'm concerned with us losing our humanity, I'm concerned with us losing any kind of empathy towards people that are suffering or her, things like that. Like there's there's a lot, um there's a lot of things I'm worried about. Like we tried to talk about this with the with the interracial marriage issue the other night. And like there's it's one thing to hold like an ideal and say, yes, okay, this is what, but then when you when you meet people in reality in that situation, it's like it's it's like yes, like in principle, I think like people should marry within their own culture, but then when you meet a couple who might be married in that, like you have to treat them with love, is the is is the essence of what I was getting at, right? So you you could still hold that one thing as the ideal, but not call someone uh uh a horrible thing because they intermarried, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 31:56

You know, anytime when it comes to to political upheaval or or you know, civil conflict, military conflict, your side might be the most just, you know, your side might have the most just cause in the world, but you know, unjust things will still happen on all sides. You know, the the the crusades, I think everyone here and probably in our chat will agree the crusades were just no matter what the left, you know, in this day and age says says says they were just. But we also do have to acknowledge that there were points in which bad things were done by people fighting for God, right? So so yes, you're absolutely right. We have to keep our humanity, we we have to we have to keep our principles, our Catholic values, our Catholic principles. Um, we have to follow the Ten Commandments, all this stuff. But we also you know have to be real about what what needs to happen and what what will happen in that process, no matter, no matter what what you do how you because here's here's what's happening they're going to play on your heartstrings, right?

SPEAKER_03: 33:08

So, this right here with Fed's saying what is your guys' take on the teenagers being detained by ice? Is that acceptable? If it even happened, we don't even know that's that's kind of what I'm getting at, right? So now if ice is actually just stopping random people on the street because their skin is brown, like that shouldn't be okay. Like, that's not reasonable and Anthony's not saying that's happening. I'm not saying that's happening. If that is happening, that shouldn't happen because I still think law enforcement should have to have reasonable suspicion in order to go and do things. Like, like, I don't want to be walking down the street because I have a very dark tan and get stopped and asked for my papers.

SPEAKER_04: 33:47

Like, I don't want to I would say we're not at that point yet, right? I don't think we are but if if some if things continue down this road, right? And if it to the point where there is like true, true insurrection against against the nation, then I'm sorry, but I'm I'm not like a strict constitutionalist anymore, like I was.

SPEAKER_03: 34:08

Like I understand, we could I also don't I'm all for saving my country, but I don't want that to come at the expense of living under like a real tyranny.

SPEAKER_04: 34:18

I'm okay with okay, but but I would say that's I mean is that a real tyranny? Like what being asked to prove you're a citizen? Now what I think it is harder than most people realize. Like in a state like Minnesota, you can't just give someone your driver's license and have that prove you're a citizen because everyone gets a driver's license. Yeah, so I mean, how many people carry their uh and you can get a social here in Minnesota, you know. So, like, are you gonna carry your birth certificate around?

SPEAKER_03: 34:49

I don't know, dude. I still want to be in a free country. That's all I'm saying. Like, I still want to be in a free country. That's like I don't like I I understand the conversation where it's going, and like the way the the situation is devolving right now, like the tensions are so high. Like what I was telling Rob earlier today, we we talked on the phone, and I was like, I feel like we're looking at like a Rwanda situation where the people hate one another so much that this could turn into like real, real violence on the streets between people. And my fear is once it gets to that point, like you now have you now have foreign nations interfering, providing weapons to the to the to the one side because they want to see our country in flame, they want to see us at war and civil war with each other. And my point that one that show a couple episodes ago was it's like keeping us at fighting with one another, it makes us easy to divide so that they can conquer us. And okay, we're going to have other other people well, it could be Russia and China with interest in that, right? Yeah, yeah. So, like, we've allowed the Chinese to buy up tons of property in the US, they're all over our country, they're like so they have a vested interest in the American government or the American population at war with each other, so they could be added to the tensions.

SPEAKER_04: 36:07

I would that that is why we need to expediently get rid of the people in this country that are not loyal to it.

SPEAKER_03: 36:17

Do you think part of the reason all the H1Bs from India have something to do with trying to court India for the from the BRICS nations? I don't know. I don't think so. I know, okay. It's just something that kind of like pop like why are we doing that with them? Like it's a weird thing, like the that's corporate greed is what they're doing.

SPEAKER_04: 36:39

That's all that is. I always think greed mixed with mixed with um in things inherent to Indian culture that lend itself to taking advantage of that.

SPEAKER_03: 36:49

Yeah, um, I will always think that like I'll always have that image of Israel wants to take over the Roman Empire. So I'm always going to have that in the mix where I think to them, as long as we're at war with each other, they don't care if it's the right, the left, they just want to see crap popping off. But there it will get to a point when you have violence popping off, gets to a point where the like local law enforcement steps out of the picture and it just becomes mayhem and people killing each other, and you don't get arrested for it because now it's a war. Like, once it becomes a civil war, like you're not getting arrested for murder if you shoot somebody anymore. Like it's like oh we're in we're in battle, man. Like it's war.

SPEAKER_04: 37:28

Once you hit full breakdown, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 37:31

Like that's what I worry about, right? And look, we all have normalcy bias, and we think that's never going to happen here, but I don't see a way out of it. I don't see a way that this thing can be can be stopped at this point, right? Like, I don't I I think we are on a a course of action right now that leads to one of two options, like a dictatorship. What what do you think? What do you think? Like, I think I think you have to have a dictator come out of this thing to to you you need it's gonna be chaos, and you need to bring order out of chaos, and you get a strong figure that comes in and restores order.

SPEAKER_04: 38:08

If um if we are not if the country is not successful with this um immigration enforcement, then the the actual fabric of the nation, of the people will at some point dissolve, right? And you will have uh you will you really will have balkanization. Um it just won't or or either or you don't and the left comes to power, and then then you get if the left comes to power.

SPEAKER_00: 38:46

Something worse than Soviet Union.

SPEAKER_03: 38:48

If the left comes to power, here's my point. If right now we're like, well, Trump's in and it's ICE agents doing this, if the left comes to power, it flips over and they are coming for us worse, way worse, right? So I am very worried about what kind of power we're giving to but but that was going to happen no matter what Trump did. It was happening under Biden, it was already starting, right? And that's kind of the point I was making. Like during COVID, we saw this overstepping of the federal government, it it just got so out of hand. Depending on what state you lived in, your life would could have been a living hell, or it could have been like, hey, this ain't so bad.

SPEAKER_04: 39:25

We just this notion that that what's happening right now is crazy. The idea of a president invoking the insurrection act is just unthinkable. Um, over one third of the presidents that have ever served have invoked the insurrection act during their term. Yeah, like 37% of presidents have invoked it. So it's really not that abnormal.

SPEAKER_03: 39:44

It's so crazy because like Trump has still not even come close to deporting as many people as Obama did. But the way it's being portrayed okay, hold on.

SPEAKER_04: 39:53

Once again, that's leftist bullshit. The the deportations under Obama. So what count is a deportation under Obama is uh is someone would come to the border and you know, and for whatever reason did we turn away, turn around. That's a deportation. Then they come back, we do it again. That's a deportation. So it's called okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03: 40:15

You see that, but do you see what I mean by like propaganda, the way things are given, right? So you don't even know what to believe, right? It's like this: you we just watched the past week them telling us the Iranian people are having a revolution and they're going to overthrow the government of Iran. And it's like, I don't know, I saw a protest, and you know, a couple people throwing Molotov cocktails. But if you looked at Greece a couple of years ago, you thought Greece was on fire. And Rob said before, he goes, Because, yeah, you look at France every year, you see those yellow vests, you think they're gonna overthrow the French government once a year. You hear the fifth republic is falling, and it's like, and then if people are watching the news in the UK and they see America and they're watching Minneapolis, they think all of America's on fire, but it's not, it's these localized events that are happening, so so much of it is just you're fed something and you fall for it. Now, now the the thing is what's happening, but but this left-right divide, man, the people on the left, they they are you're dealing with an enemy that is so far like deep, like they're so far from Christ. Like you're talking about people who have been in mortal sin for so long, man. Like they are capable of levels of evil that you guys can't fathom. Like, I I got I just can't look. I know we all have this thing, and then we're like, I'll defend my family. I don't care if I have to take someone's life. I never want to kill somebody, I don't ever want to be in that situation. Ever, ever, ever. Please, God, never put me in a situation where I have to take someone's life out of self-defense. If we're in some kind of a ground conflict, like, I don't think you guys understand how much you lose your humanity when you start doing stuff like that. Like, it kills you, it kills your soul, like mortal sin. Even if it's a justified killing, man, like you taking a human life, dude. I shot a bird with a BB gun when I was a kid, and I was like, like the the level like I know people hunt all the time, and they get I can't. But I'm just saying, like when I was a kid, the first bird I hit, like I remember just being like, Oh my gosh, man, that was a life. Like I it had a profound effect on me. Like, like, because it was it wasn't for something, right? You hunting, you're killing to eat it, right? But like it was just it was just like, Oh, I got a baby gun, let me take this bird's life. And it was like, that was a life that God created, like, and I'm just I'm just telling you guys, like, we all have this normalcy bias, and we think nothing's ever gonna happen. I'm just telling you, the enemy you're fighting, these people are so far from God, you don't know what they'll do. Like, I don't want to be in a situation where there's roaming band bands of marauders raping women, like, I don't want that, man. And that's the level of lawlessness that will happen. Like, you read about the accounts of the end times, man. You're talking about nations will be annihilated, and you're and it's the the stuff that the stuff that can come from that is terrifying.

SPEAKER_04: 43:14

Yeah, uh what what I don't like to see is this thing's from like like this from Michael Matt that seem to like give a false equivalency between the leftists and and like the the Trump administration. I'm not gonna say the right because they're really not the right.

SPEAKER_03: 43:31

Well, bring his other tweet up because his other tweet is kind of funny. Like he's bringing up he's bringing up Joe Rogan and Jimmy Dore.

SPEAKER_04: 43:37

I'm just I'm just saying, like, like people on the right, and it's like Jimmy Dore like you you cannot compare these two, and and this is one of the a lot of birds go to happy joan.

SPEAKER_03: 43:47

I feel a lot a lot more at ease. I killed a bird, but I sent them right there.

SPEAKER_04: 43:50

Yeah, that soul was annihilated right away.

SPEAKER_03: 43:52

Anyways, um I don't go I don't kill animals, I buy my chicken from the store. Um I'm not I'm not like I'm really not like a bleeding heart liberal guys. I'm just I'm just trying to say like there's something profound about like when you cross a line, right? And look, you you see it from guys who go to war. You you you watch these documentaries about guys who went through war, and it's not even that you see it in guys who are in modern warfare, right? And they come home and something happens to them when they're on that when they're over in the Middle East and they kill a bunch of people, and then they come back and they can't live a normal life anymore. Like they can't they like don't, but a lot do, and no, I know, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, for sure, for sure. But I know like a lot of I do know personally a lot of guys who went over there and the like they live these lives that were so thrilling, like they were always going on these missions and stuff, and then they come home and their life is so mundane, and they're like re-enlisting to go back on another tour because they can't even deal with like the normalcy of life anymore. I'm talking about that, I'm not talking about like PTSD and stuff. I'm just saying, like being in a situation like that like detaches you from reality, and it it almost makes us you'll never live a normal life again. Like you go over there and you're taking lives and stuff. There are guys who absolutely can do it, but you know, there's a lot of guys who can. It it affects you when you're when you're going over there to do stuff like that. And if it's happening in your own backyard and you're killing your neighbor, what do you think that's gonna do to you?

SPEAKER_04: 45:26

I say I think it'd be better to look at um at those who survived, like what happened to the Balkans in the 90s and stuff like that, because I think that's that's a lot closer to what things are gonna be like. Um but what I was saying is like one of the things that um is most upsetting to me about a lot of people in the trad movement, and I know this whole uh Rag on Trad thing didn't go over so well from the last episode, but but like there's this there's this idea that um uh what wait, what didn't go over so well? Just um like my tweet about the trad about trads.

SPEAKER_03: 46:04

Well, I th I think you said look, I don't I didn't even necessarily agree with it uh full like wholeheartedly, but I think that's kind of like what's good about this show is that we don't always agree on everything. Like even one of the even this, like you don't need to agree, like we're kind of hammering out an idea. Oh my god, let me talk. Go ahead. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_04: 46:22

Sorry for saying omg. Um one of the things that is most frustrating to me about many trads is like this the the the this false equivalency that they always feel like they have to put, you know, oh yeah, yeah, the left is evil, but uh, you know, uh the but the right or conservatives or but the or the Republican Party or or American general is evil, you know, is evil in all these ways. And it's like, yes, yes, America has done bad things, the Republicans aren't perfect, they're really not conservative, blah blah blah blah blah, but they're not the same. Yes, what one one side is incredibly flawed, the other side is literally demons, yeah. You know, like let's not let's not yeah, I'm not sure again.

SPEAKER_03: 47:09

I'm not, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not no no no no. That's kind of my point with this, though. Like, they're literally demons, and that's what we're up against, right? Yeah, like you're you're uh you're like because even look, like even the non-catholics, like the the people on the right at least have like look, I'm frustrating. I I can push a man to cross boundaries. So I was the thing is I'm drinking wine, like I don't know, Rob. I'm gonna be a little more verbose than usual. Um, we're we're talking about something uh that's like we're you're you're the even the people on the right that maybe they don't go to church and then on the sacraments and stuff, they still at least have like some semblance of the light of Christ in their life, you know what I mean? Like they're they're like some level of natural virtue, maybe yeah, like they're not totally depraved, but what think about what we're talking about on the left. Like you're talking about people who want to literally cut their kids' genitals off and things like these people are so mired in their depravity that for for them, once they like and what they think they're doing in these protests is they like they see good as evil and evil is good, right? Like Christ warns about that. Woe to you if you call good evil and evil good, because something happens to you where you you you get to the point where you're past the unpardonable, unpardonable sin. Like that is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. When you're calling evil good and good evil, that is the unpardonable sin. It's like you're you're you're you're beyond saving. And once you're beyond saving, like there's no level that you won't go to. And and man, that's that's when you get soldiers will go in and they'll rape an entire population of women like Russia, like the Soviets did to Germany.

SPEAKER_04: 48:54

Like, there it just there's so many people that will dig up the graves of priests and nuns and desecrate their bodies, desecrate their bodies, so-called republicans in the Spanish Civil War. You know, that's what we're fighting.

SPEAKER_03: 49:06

So, all I'm saying, all I'm trying to do is like I know this has to happen. I know, like, if we if we have any hope of maintaining our American identity that we've known all our lives, because I know you were saying last episode, like, we don't there is no American culture. Yes, there kind of is, though, right? And there's an American identity at minimum.

SPEAKER_04: 49:30

Well, if we have an American identity, if we ever want to create like a true American culture, we ever want any chance at converting this nation. I'm sorry, we this has to be done.

SPEAKER_03: 49:43

So, right. So, the like there is something we do want to preserve our American identity, right? And if and if you just allow all these other like this idea of a multicultural democracy is nonsense, it's insane. I'm watching, believe me, I see it on the ground. I know what immigration has done to our nation. Like, I'm not, I know this stuff has to get done. I'm not by any means saying, Oh no, this is mean, don't do it. That's not what I'm saying. Um, I'm more concerned with this from a narrative level, and I'm saying whatever is going on, it like just seems kind of weird. Like the way this whole thing's being handled. I don't know if it could be handled better. I feel like they're just trying to get us to hate one another, and I think both sides are falling into it. The left is just way worse, but like we are very callous too. Like, we're we see a person get shot in the face, and we're just like, she deserved it. Like, don't I it was justified, but she like I'm just telling you, like, we if you don't have the ability to if you dehumanize your enemy, you've lost your human humanity. Like, there's something about that, like, you still have to see these people as as created in the image and likeness of God.

SPEAKER_04: 50:54

Yeah, it's like this comment. If the opposition is so far gone that apparently they can't come back, why are you so concerned with treating them poorly? It's not because of them, yeah. It's for us, it's for us, it's for our souls. Like, that's that's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03: 51:07

We are still called to be perfect as our father in heaven is perfect. Look, the antichrist is not coming to fool the the lost, like they're lost, right? He's coming to fool the elect, and it's the same thing with the spirit of antichrist. So I'm not saying like the antichrist, literally, I'm saying like the spirit of antichrist comes to take out like they're like the devil is always on the prowl trying to take our soul. And if you lose your humanity, like you become the thing you are criticized. Like, I don't want that to happen to us. I'm not some bleeding heart liberal, I'm not at all. I'm not I'm not saying any of that. I'm saying, like, we cannot lose our humanity, man. And like, honestly, you are called to love your enemy. That is the hardest freaking call of the gospel. I don't care what anybody says, like, you are called to love that woman who was shot in the face, so it's very easy to go, yeah, she deserved it, but I don't care what you say, like she's created in the image and likeness of God, and I'm sorry, but how you treated the least of these, you what you did unto the least of these, you did unto me. And that's a freaking really hard thing to grasp because there are some people that you just want to spit on because they they deserve it, yeah. But like I don't know, I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_04: 52:23

I mean, it it's a tragedy. She died in a fashion, whether she's at fault or not, that prevented her from making things right with God, right? I mean, that's a tragedy.

SPEAKER_03: 52:34

It's a soul loss. That is like that is like like we should all like like we should all be devastated that a soul was lost. Like, that's not like God created us all for Himself. So that's all I'm saying. Like uh because I the the sometimes the things I come on and I talk about are things that I'm worried about myself falling into, right? So I'm like I'm almost like giving myself a pep talk because I find myself I could so easily fall into that hole. Yeah, f FAFO man, screw around and find out, like and and I see things happen and I'm jaded and desensitized to everything. Like I it's almost like like I don't even I don't even know what these stupid screens have done to me, man. Because I've always been pretty good about being like empathetic and compassionate to people when I speak to them. But there are some things I watch online and I'm just like this visceral anger comes up for me. And some of it might be like real, like holy anger and justifiable. But when when we see something like we're seeing over in Minneapolis, uh like we should still be sad that this is happening in our country on just on a level that like shit, this shit's gonna get bad. Like it's going, it's going to get bad. That's all I'm saying. I was not, it's not like it's not, it's not like something like that these people don't deserve any. It's none of that. It's just I'm watching the things in our country happen, and I'm just like, oh, I'm worried about it, man. Like, I'm worried about what happens because I'm what I live in a I live in New York, and it's like I'm I'm not so much worried about my family. They're separated from it enough, but I work in the city, man, and you never know where some crap's gonna pop off. First off, second off, um it's uh I don't want the I don't want us at war in our own country when war pops off with Russia and we're so disunited here that we can't even come together and go fight the real enemy that we have to. Like that worries me too. If we're not if we're not together here, how the hell do you go and fight a foreign enemy at that point? And now my son's gonna get dragged over to one of these stupid wars, and I have no control over it, and it's and it I'm I'm more fearful for that of my son, even because like all this stuff we're talking about, right? Like, there's a very good chance none of us will ever see the violence. Like, the violence can happen because it's gonna be very isolated, right? It's happening in Minneapolis. Rob's up in the woods, he's not gonna, he's in Minnesota, but he's Rob saw this stuff happening six years ago, and he went, I'm getting the hell out of Minneapolis.

SPEAKER_04: 55:07

Yeah, I mean, it was it was getting yeah. The those who pretend like this is all because of uh the Trump administration. Um, like Michael Madd seems to think that it's retarded. Like, I don't know how you can live in that city and not not have seen this coming 10 years ago.

SPEAKER_03: 55:22

So so Rob saw the writing on the wall, and he's like, I'm moving my family to the woods. So, Rob, there's a very good chance you'll never see violence in your hometown, right? There's a very good chance but that's the thing.

SPEAKER_04: 55:31

This isn't my hometown. Yeah, my hometown is down there. Like, I have I ran from it.

SPEAKER_03: 55:37

Like, my kids have a right to their hometown to the twin cities, like that is you that is actually your hometown.

SPEAKER_04: 55:43

And they're yeah, like I'm no, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna quit.

SPEAKER_03: 55:48

Yeah, no, so so kind of so what I'm saying is like there's a very good chance you'll never see violence where you are, right? There's a very good chance I'll never see violence out on Long Island. There's a very good chance that if World War III does pop off, the theater of war is Europe. Like it's a very good chance that the theater of war is Europe, it's very low chance that it's America, right? It's not very low chance that the theater of war is America.

unknown: 56:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 56:14

Now, if our sons get whisked off to this war, there's a very good chance my son will survive. Like, you know, the majority of people that go to war survive. Like, it's not, you know, it's not like the majority dies, not like there's a very good chance they'll survive. But what kind of man does he come back as? Like, is he so far gone because of the things they made him do? That my son comes back a form a shadow of his former self. That's the those are the things I think about, right? And I don't know, man. Like just seeing people lose their humanity worries me. That's that's that's all. It's uh you know, I'm not I'm not trying to like be a bleeding heart liberal here. I'm not trying none of that. I'm I'm Catholic and I worry very much about my fellow Catholics and our souls, and it's it's a very important thing to me. Um, you can deport every illegal immigrant. What what do you do with the citizens who hate this country?

SPEAKER_04: 57:00

We're not out of the woods and that's one of the and that that's kind of what I mean about like the constitution, like like things like the constitution. We um you know it's created by it was created by the people of this nation to serve the people of this nation. If we're at a point where it is preventing us from working toward the common good, then even Catholic theology, Catholic moral theology would say, Well, it's time to get time to be done with it. If it prevents us from working towards the common good, time to be done.

SPEAKER_03: 57:32

Is wait, no, wait, where'd Don's comment? Which one I hate him, all Hannah's saying is give peace and chance. I hate him, I hate his guts. Um I know military is an honorable employment, but when you are when you're drafted to something and you have to go look, it's not it's of course it's honorable. Like anybody that goes and lays down their life for my country, anybody that goes and offers their service to my country, um, of course it's an honorable thing. I'm just talking about like if real war breaks out, don't give him any ideas, stop it. Man, I'm never playing bad cop again. I'm taking the easy side of the argument every time. Um, all I'm saying is uh the desensitization that could happen over there. Like you're you're you I want I don't want my son to come back after having taken lives, man. Like something changes in a person when they take a life. I don't care, even if it's self-defense, even if it you use you hear stories all the time about men who go to war and they come back and they're just not the same.

SPEAKER_04: 58:41

Uh yeah, yeah. I don't know. Like, obviously, it's not not an ideal, but um it happens sometimes. You have to go and um it happened for almost everyone, like until very recent history. Mrs. Homemaker, you too. Are you kidding me? I noticed she's back in the comments on the last few videos. Nice to see you, Samantha.

SPEAKER_03: 59:08

Um, you know what?

SPEAKER_04: 59:09

Let's go through some of let's go through some of these live uh super chats here.

SPEAKER_03: 59:12

Here's the here's the thing before we even get to those because like Fed has kids my age too. Like my son's 20. A lot of you guys don't have it isn't playing bad copy wants to deal with the police. I'm done, I'm done. Screw it, bring in the army, let's go. Yeah, that there is there is truth to this. I know look, look, I started off the conversation by saying, like, I know the the like you have if you want to fix the country, you have to make sacrifices. And I'm and I actually am willing. My my fear is that we're not fixing the country. You're just cautioning people. Um that's it. It's my fear is that we're not actually fixing the thing, we're making something worse. So that's all I'm worried about. It's like, but like, do you think? I care if we have to like get illegal immigrants out. I don't care in the least. Like, they don't they have no right to be here. They came in here illegally, they have to go.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:07

And let's be honest, if Ant really does care, it's because he's worried about all the overtime he's gonna have to work when half his crew is gone.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:14

No, you know, you let me tell. Well, no, can I tell you something about that though? Because my wife, my wife, here's here's what I here's what it is. Um, my wife, if it wasn't for me, would be one of these bleeding heart, empathetic women who's she just would, and she even said that to me tonight. She's like, if I didn't have you to like ground me, like so. You think about all these women who are going to these protests, these women don't have real men in their lives, right? And she and she said to me, Oh, you saying a butch lesbian in flannel isn't a real man. I'm saying, honestly, though, like a lot of these women who are going to these protests, like even Riley Gaines taking her baby to to Washington, and she's like, I have to wrap my baby in a bulletproof blanket. It's like, what are you doing? Where's your husband?

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:03

If it if you ever have to do that at any point and you chose to be there, lady, you made the wrong choice.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:09

Yeah, like how where's your husband to tell you no, stop it? We don't need the attention on us. There's a maniac leftist out there, like, stop it, I'll go and do this. Like, you don't, you don't, you shouldn't be doing this, right? So my wife said she's like, Don't you uh, I watched her get upset a cat died on a TV show. Nicole be cooked to that, Anthony. Was it Boondock Saints? No, wait, what was it? What were we watching, Bobby? Oh, we were watching the mass uh uh it was on Netflix that uh it was about like the man, it was a really twisted show, actually. It was a bit was very Catholic, and then all of a sudden it went like really demonic. Uh, I don't know, it was on Netflix. Yeah, oh Midnight Mass. Midnight Mass on Netflix. Um, so she's like, Well, don't you have illegal immigrants working at your company? She's like, and what if that like what if they're taken from their families? And I'm like, okay, well, I have to explain something to you. Like, there are a few illegal immigrants who are here with families who like I might feel bad about, but like the majority of the guys that are illegal immigrants at my company, their wives are back in their home country, so they work, they get a paycheck, they're sending the paycheck back to their wives and they're sleeping with prostitutes. Like, that's the majority of them. So, like, no, I don't actually, I don't think I would feel bad if those guys got shipped out. Like, I don't like I'm I know the reality of it, guys. Don't think I'm you know what I mean. Like, I'm not doing that. What I'm doing, what I'm doing is what I tried to do last episode is just caution people from getting too desensitized from what we see on social media. That's all. Like, don't forget you're Catholic, don't lose your soul, don't lose your soul to propaganda that you're being fed. That's all. Like Michael Matt fell for propaganda too. That was kind of the point of this, right? Like, you see, Michael Matt is repeating things that he's seeing in the news because all of us are being fed a narrative right now, and you're being fed it on the right as well, and you're being manipulated on both sides, and that's just you know, we have these magic screens in front of us that have never existed in all of human history, and they're manipulating you. And you may think I'm impervious to propaganda. No, you're not. Every one of us falls for it, every single one of us are affected by feminism, every single one of us are affected by modernism. I don't care how trad you are, you're a freaking modernist. Every single one of us, not one of us escapes it because none of us actually the only people who escape it are the people who don't actually look at their device and they're just living their life up in the mountains. They're the only ones who aren't falling for it. If you're looking at a device, you're falling for propaganda. It's as simple as that. Nobody tells the truth 100%. Yeah, this is a danger too. This is a danger too. I have to I jump to conclusions a lot. That's that's something I have to be careful of. Like, I I my the way my brain works is like I'm always thinking of the story 10 steps ahead, and it's like, oh, I see this and I see this. Is it's a thing I want I I have to be cautious about.

SPEAKER_04: 1:04:08

Well, and I mean that was another thing. I I texted you uh about the whole Michael Matt thing. And I'm what I'm gonna say now isn't necessarily aimed like directly at my at Michael Matt. I'm not saying he does this or necessarily that anyone does this um consciously, but a lot of times when people are saying or when people are trying to tell you like what you're seeing with your own eyes is is not what's actually happening, and that there's something else that's really happening behind the scenes, you know, they're doing that so that you have to keep coming to them for the real truth, right? Like it's it's a form of Gnosticism, right? They're they're they're telling you that that that what makes sense logically and most simply, you know, like the whole Occam race Occam's razor, you know. Well, that's not the real truth. Here's the real truth. And if you want to know the real truth about what happens tomorrow, you gotta come back and watch my podcast, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:05

And dude, every one of these big I'm telling you, you guys, if you guys haven't checked it out yet, go check out uh the Twin Cities podcast, uh Theo's podcast.

SPEAKER_04: 1:05:13

He had on um he had on a has nothing to do with Minneapolis and St. Paul, by the way.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:18

Nothing to do with Minneapolis and St. Paul, it has to do with influencers, and it has to do with how they're all kind of playing into this manipulation, and and that they the the they understand how people work and that we no longer watch the three major news networks. So they're the like Rob's Rob's show and my show will never get big. Um, because they've chosen the influencers who were big.

SPEAKER_04: 1:05:45

Yeah, two two cities, not twin cities. I know I knew it sounded a little weird.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:49

I mean, I think Rob would know at this point.

SPEAKER_04: 1:05:52

Rob would know you know it's the twin cities. Who said two cities? Oh, two cities. You called the podcast the twin cities podcast, did I? Yeah, I'm like, that sounds weird.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:01

Well, that's because we're talking about the twin cities. The two cities podcast, Theo's podcast.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:08

Um uh I mean I'm kind of inferring that Michael. I'm okay. What I'm not saying anyone does it purposefully, right? Because there is this um there is this drive when you're doing these things where you feel like you need a hot take every day, right? You feel like you need a hot take to get to get views, to be part of the conversation, right? Like like Anthony, we we we we wait and watch the news waiting for something we feel can be the lead. And it it's not because it's not because we want to make things sensational, it's because otherwise no one watches.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:47

Well, the thing is, so that's that was the dilemma today. It was like I like if I don't care about a subject, like there's not a good show, it's just as simple as that. It's just not going to be a good show. If like, yeah, if if one of us doesn't like isn't passionate about like the topic, it's not going to be a good show. So today was one of those episodes, and and we'll explain it actually on the locals show tonight. Yeah, um, there's a reason why this had to actually be talked about, and we'll talk about that on locals. We can't we can't say it on here.

SPEAKER_04: 1:07:14

Um not because we want to push everyone to locals, but because it's I mean, we do want to push everyone to locals, we do, but it's a very yeah, but it's a personal thing, a very personal thing that led to this conversation, and um we'll have we'll have to talk about it over there.

SPEAKER_03: 1:07:30

We can't talk about it over here. So if there's a very personal reason why this had to be talked about, um, but it's like but we've also had conversations like I don't actually care if the YouTube like the the last two YouTube videos we put out like bombed. I'm like, I really don't I really don't care what YouTube does.

SPEAKER_04: 1:07:48

We do think it'll be because of Ryzen being down all day yesterday, but if it's not, no big deal.

SPEAKER_03: 1:07:53

Like, I don't care if the YouTube channel grows at this point. Like, if we could if we could actually because we don't really make much money on YouTube anyway, so I'd rather talk about the more important stuff over on locals anyway, because I want our locals people to be happy that we're that like they're paying for stuff. I'd rather bring the better content over there, and typically we have the way better conversations over there, but it's like, yeah, if our show doesn't blow up, who cares? Like, I don't want to be famous, I don't have any like I we what we have now is a very comfortable like level of recognition where it's like, oh, I go to mass and one guy says hi. It's like that's fine, that's totally fine. Like Nick Fuentes was talking with Joel Webon about going to mass, and he's like, Yeah, you know, like if I like he was talking about some of the pitfalls of like how hard it is for him to even go to mass. I don't ever want to be in that situation, like I want to live my life totally normally. I never ever want to be that well known where you can't go out and that's insane. Kansas Owens can't go anywhere. That would be terrible. Um, so all right, so we'll we'll we'll actually wrap this side up. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04: 1:08:57

Um she might be able to time travel, though. You never know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:00

What a loony! Oh my goodness, that woman she is funny. Uh, I'm just still mad at her that George Farmer is not my friend. So I'm not gonna feel bad about saying things about her until George becomes my friend. Once George is my friend, I'll start sticking up for Candace. Until then, it's war. All right, we're gonna go over to locals. We'll explain the backstory of this show. Um, it's a really interesting backstory, actually. It's a very interesting backstory, and you know what? It's actually not my personal story for once. It's actually not, it's actually Rob's personal story for once. So typically we tell Anthony's personal stories. Uh Rob's gonna open up a little bit tonight. So if you guys have never so excited, so throw you guys have never been on locals, you're in for a doozy tonight. So I'm I'm excited to see Rob uh share some a little. So we'll see. All right, guys. We are going to the other side. Uh Recuson Sellers, you go use code base to checkout for 10% off. Knic knack, uh uh nicotine lozenges, use code AB25 for 25% off. And we will see you guys on the other side. You got an outro video ready? You got to play the one that everybody's asking for. Which one is everyone asking? Intro video from last episode. That's what everybody wants to be our outro video now.

SPEAKER_04: 1:10:23

Okay. It's got the first 10 seconds of the intro, still, which kind of sucks. I'll fix that, but for now, here we go.

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:30

Drink one baby bullshit, this is just the way to do the fucking l'yo.

SPEAKER_06: 1:12:00

Okay, we are freaking hate that song, Happy.

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:03

I despise it. I'm so mad at you for making it. But one guy said he'd buy a year membership if we made it the official outro song. Me and Rob need the money. Did people pick up on my wang half shirt? No one commented on. No one commented on my wang half shirt. I kept trying to like subtly bring it up in to see if anybody picked up on it. My son bought me a wang half shirt. Um, yeah, so alright, so wait. We have to actually all right. All right. We have we have a doozy fill the tea story for you guys. So uh yes.

SPEAKER_04: 1:12:45

Hold on, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Are we in private?

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:48

Let me let me switch to private over. We got a minute. Switch to private, switch to private. Some people commented on YouTube about it. What's a wang have?

SPEAKER_04: 1:13:00

A wang have by definition, you can't be one Paul.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:04

Dude, listen. No, yeah, listen. My daughter, my freaking daughter, told her math teacher she was going to Italy. He's like, Oh, you're going to Italy? Why? And she tells her, she tells her math teacher, my dad has a podcast, and he asks the name.

SPEAKER_00: 1:13:21

Oh no, no, no.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:22

Do you know the clip he saw?

SPEAKER_04: 1:13:23

You you're this is gonna be like that that meme on Instagram, dude, where it's like me when I show up uh to school because my daughter wrote or my son wrote a paper about all Hitler's cool, and it's uh it's the guy from uh um um Inglorious Bastards walking in in the Nazis.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:40

The clip he saw is me talking about Gen Z with you and Matt uh Gaspers, where I'm like the young guys all they want to do is talk about the Jews, and you guys didn't say anything, and it's just silence. She goes to the school the next day, she's like, I heard your dad fighting about like the Catholic community and how they want to talk about the Jews. Do you know anything about this? So then she must have told all her friends about it, too. I don't, I'm like, Why are Stella? Why are you telling your friends about my podcast? What are you doing?

SPEAKER_04: 1:14:14

I don't I don't I like I'll tell people I have a podcast and then they ask for it. I'm like, no, just absolutely not.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:20

Like my in-laws know I have one, but like they don't they're not watching. Like, I the only people I have to worry about watching are my mom checks out episodes and my sisters check out episodes, like Joey watches, but like I don't care if Joey sees anything. But what happened is Rob's mom watches the show sometimes for a little while. So Rob texted me yesterday, and he's like, Aunt, my mom's asking for your number. I she's been asking me for a long time, and I've said no a hundred times. He's like, but she's kind of like struggling with her faith a little bit. I'm like, of course. I'm like, dude, send her my number. Okay, I I I try to warn you more than that. So so the thing is, like, I thought like maybe she wanted to have a conversation about some of the things she was struggling with, but what I realized is like the text that she sent me is that I think she has a caricature of Rob and I in her head.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:17

Well, well, okay, so my mom is I don't want to call her a lefty because like she's not ideological, right? She she's too boomer for that, if you know what I mean. Like, she's very much um a bleeding heart, overly empathetic, empathetic, she's an liberal in that way, not in the you know, I believe in Marxism or anything stupid like that, but she's she's just a six-year-old, overly empathetic.

SPEAKER_03: 1:15:47

She is she's my wife if she didn't have me in 20 years, yeah. So, so like if my wife didn't have me, so I'll because I'll tell you right now, when I even kind of talked about this with my wife, she was like, This is horrible what's happening in Minneapolis because she's seeing what's going on on Instagram, you know what I mean? Like, my wife isn't like she's not she doesn't watch the news, she goes on Instagram to like promote her photography, and she'll she'll see things on reels, and she's like, Oh, it's so bad, and I have to like explain it to her. And then me explaining it to her calms her down. But Rob's mom is alone, and she doesn't have uh she doesn't have like a conservative husband to like kind of ground her and explain things to her, and she has a caricature in her head of Rob and I where she I think she thinks we're just like these mean trads who have no empathy and have no no compassion for anything.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:43

Right, and and and it's all because she she you know she in her her world in her mind she cannot fathom that that someone that is on one of the major news networks would ever say something that's not true, right? So she she takes you know the news as as honestly as more gospel than the gospel. Um and she's always always done that, and she watches the news constantly, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:12

From the time she's she's she's getting her news from Facebook a lot too, right? So yeah, um so uh hope hope is in the chat, and and she said that this is the only part of the show she wanted to watch. She's been waiting for this. So I called Rob today, and look, here's the difficulty in this it's Rob's mom. Like this isn't this isn't just some random person, right? Like, like first of all, like I love Rob's mom. I I met Rob's mom when I came there, like and she was so good to me. Like, she's she she is there for Rob with his kids. So always has yeah, what we're talking about in the in this episode is that like this civil war runs through your living room, man. Like, this isn't this is this is like you're talking about families being ripped apart because like Rob's mom's not like some wacko liberal or wacko leftist, she's just a woman watching the news, and she's her heart is breaking. But dude, Rob's mom wanted to go to the protests, like that's how she was literally had to like talk her down last night.

SPEAKER_04: 1:18:22

Like, try try to try to show her like her her duty or responsibility is is far more here with her grandkids than it is with some stranger that honestly would hate her, you know what I mean? Because because they do they that you you hear them talk about how they feel bad protesting for the the lady that gets caught because she's white, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:43

So so so like the real challenge here for um for you and hope too, man. Like, this is not an easy burden for hope. No, like it's really not an easy burden for you or hope, because like you have to think about like the perspective Rob and I are coming from, where we're like, no, you need to be in the sacraments, you need to be doing this, this, and this. And in in her view, she's so upset with the way Rob and I handle things that it's like she's using that as her reason for not going to church, and it's not even necessarily with how we handle things on the show, it's um my temperament uh is not great for answering questions or um objections from someone like her.

SPEAKER_04: 1:19:31

You know, I I am uh I'm I'm melancholic. Uh well I'm also um phlegmatic, but like when I talk to my mom, I'm my melancholic side comes out instantly, right? And I'm all 100% entirely facts based.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:48

It's whereas it's like she's 100 ideology almost.

SPEAKER_04: 1:19:52

Well, not not ideology.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:54

Well, not mean ideology. I mean I mean you're idealistic in that you're like this. Is the principle and then this is the thing, right? Right.

SPEAKER_04: 1:20:02

And my mom has always said since I was very little that I am too black and white for her.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:20:07

Right. She she's always said she lives in a gray zone.

SPEAKER_05: 1:20:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:20:11

And that's because she she there's lots of reasons for it, but um she just largely doesn't want to upset anyone, right? Yeah, she just believes everyone's good, and so so you know, whereas so so the way I respond to her, it just doesn't work, no matter how that's not compassionate. I try to be, I come off as a uh a cold asshole.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:35

Yeah, no, no, you come off at condescending, condescending. That's what that's what's I know.

SPEAKER_04: 1:20:39

I I know I'm condescending to you, un you know, uh unintentionally, but I know it comes off that way. Yeah, I think anyone who interacts with me a lot, like I'm very condescending words.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:51

I'm really glad that you're actually aware of that. It's like oh 100, and I okay, so I don't know how to stop it. So that's all right, so it's like um, but that's not unique to you and your mom either. I want to make sure you know that, right? Like, oh, I know like I if I try to talk to my sister about things. Um, I have one sister who uh Bobby met when we were up in Pennsylvania, and she this is this is my sister who was very far from the faith, but got caught stealing, and she got arrested. And after that happened, she kind of like a reflection on her life, right? And she's like softening up to the idea of God because she's like, Wow, look how far I've let my life spiral out. And I tried to talk to her, and she just it just was like it, oh man, she just received it so bad. Whereas when Bobby was talking to her, she was like it he was just able to communicate with her because she's not it's it's not that blood relation that and and and what's what's going on with your mom is if you try to talk to her, she feels judged. When I tried to talk to my sister, she felt judged.

SPEAKER_04: 1:21:57

Well, and and also like my mom obviously knows all my my like my whole life history, right? Yeah, and like um there's parts of that history which I'll probably never share on here, uh, that she knows. So when I um respond with something that comes off as a condescending lecture, I don't mean to laugh that I don't mean to laugh apologies that Anne has a black sister, and is black and verks, she stole.

SPEAKER_03: 1:22:27

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to laugh while you were while you were opening up, and I thought it was a funny line.

SPEAKER_05: 1:22:33

That is funny.

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:34

Um so when I respond to a question about the faith or politics or whatever, and yeah, I come off as lecturing and condescending, and it's um in a way that is very opposed to the way I used to live, she also sees it as hypocritical, you know. So it's um and it's so weird because her and I, and our our my brother too, like the three of us, we we we went through hell with my dad and his issues, and like we we had to stick together to survive, and we did, and we we still are. I mean, we're still super close. Like my mom moved 250 miles away from her home to to live four blocks away from us. Yeah, you know, at least one of my kids is overnight, is stays overnight at our house almost every other night, you know, because they love their they love their non and she loves them, she lives for them. Um, so in in one weird sense, we're super, super close in tight knit, but on the other hand, like we're worlds apart and hardly communicate about incredibly important things, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:35

So the the this is the challenge, right? So uh I called Rob today, and it's like, man, this is this is a tricky one, right? Because you're never gonna reason your mom into your way of thinking, like there's no scenario where you're going to rationally explain to her how to so it's you you have to love her unconditionally, right? And you have to you like even when she try because it's look when somebody is falling for that narrative, they can't help themselves, like they just can't help themselves but give their opinion, right? Even if you don't bring it up, like you don't have to bring the the anything controversial up whatsoever, you could just go there and want to talk about family, and you go, but they because she has this preconceived notion because she has a preconceived notion about me, too, is what I learned.

SPEAKER_04: 1:24:30

Yeah, and uh she thinks you're from New Jersey, that too. I tried to tell her, I'm like, whatever you do, don't tell him that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:40

Wait a minute, can I I have to tell you this? She sent me uh she must have looked up Anthony Abadi in the court record. So uh arrested.

SPEAKER_04: 1:24:49

She is very big into looking up everyone's public records.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:52

Yeah, I don't know why.

SPEAKER_04: 1:24:54

She's just a nosy boomer, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:56

She found an Anthony Abadi from New Jersey who was arrested for like assault of an officer who was in that in 1995, by the way. Like, so I responded, I'm like, Laura, you do know this isn't me, right? Like, I was 12 in 1995, like that's not me. She was like, I don't care what you did in your past life, Anthony. I just you know, what like I was like, no, but I really don't want you to think this is me.

SPEAKER_04: 1:25:21

Like, I didn't I didn't assault an officer, like she she told me that, and she's like, I know it's on him. I'm like, Of course it's not him, but I'm like, at the same time, you you depending where you look, you'll probably find stuff in there about him.

SPEAKER_03: 1:25:33

I've never been arrested. I'm like, I'm like, but he's been very open about it on the show. I've never been arrested, I promise. I've gotten a lot of tickets for being on my cell phone, but I've never been arrested.

SPEAKER_04: 1:25:44

No, so I thought the records about it, Anthony.

SPEAKER_03: 1:25:47

I'm like, was it about American flags or wallets? No, dude. There was somebody who got in trouble for like unleashing their dog, like they must have like a pit b or something that got unleashed. And she's like, she's like, I got to you, I found out who you are because of the dog unleashing. I'm like, that's not me. I've never had a dog.

SPEAKER_04: 1:26:06

I'm trying to tell her that too. Like, Anthony hates dog, and then I'm like, She's not gonna like to hear that though.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:11

She loves dogs, so um, but the but like the the the point is like I can tell I can tell that she um from from just the rob's therapy is better than his therapy, Rob has a serious issue and completed for weeks about a raccoon getting his fish. That's your stupid, your stupid coin. No, but tapping, you can't make an intro about this. No, so but here's what here's what I I got from the text is that like she she thinks because Rob and I are trads and we love the Latin mass, like she thinks we are Pharisees, right? That like we go through the motions and like we think we're holier than thou. And the thing is, she she doesn't know how much like this stuff has actually changed our lives, and like like it's the even these conversations, man, have like made me a better father, they've made me be a better um brother and a better spouse. Like, I I've I've worked harder to be the patriarch of my family, and because of these conversations, right? And and Rob's in a position now where he's the patriarch of this family, his father's past, like Rob's literally the patriarch of his family. So it there's one sense where Rob will be completely justified and just going, I just I cannot deal with these conversations, like I'm just not doing this. And part of me, when I when I had when I saw what your mom was saying, I was like, I dude, I had such a respect for you that you have kept your family together, knowing that that like that your mom has felt this way about us because I know that stuff comes out, like you, it's impossible for it to not come out, you know? And the fact that you are still close with her, and that you like, I was just like, Man, I really think like the conversations we've had on this show have probably helped you keep your family together because this shit gets complicated, man. Like on the ground, when you're when you have a sister who's just freaking losing it about something and she thinks you're doing that. It's just the reality of it, you know. Yeah, it's um for hope too, Rob.

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Like to have a mother it's been super hard on hope. It has to be because it's caused a lot of tension between hope and I.

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To to have a mother-in-law who's like judging you, you know, like that's a very different thing, man. Like, I'm very, very fortunate in that my mom and wife get really really get along well. My mother-in-law loves me, but I know a lot of families where like the mother-in-law issue is such a big issue, so it's like hope deserves a ton of credit for handling this whole situation with characters.

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They don't have the history that my mom and I do, yeah. You know, like I said, like my mom and I have at had have had to stick together through through through terrible stuff. So we both know that no matter what, like like, yeah, I'm I'm always gonna be there for her, and she's always gonna be there for me, pretty basically no matter what, no matter how bad things get. But like my my mom and and my wife don't have that history, you know, yeah, 100%. Yeah, and my my wife comes from um you know a pretty different family and situation than us.

SPEAKER_03: 1:29:37

You know, my hope told Hope told me her entire story, and hope comes from a really broken situation as well, right? Yeah, so like both of you, especially with your temperaments, could very easily just go, I'd rather not deal with this.

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And that's what I do with a lot of people in my life.

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Yeah, you know, I mean that's what I try to do with you over the no, but sometimes that is justified because I don't I don't want to I don't want to downplay people who have toxic people in their lives, and and your mom's not I'm not saying that at all about your mom, I'm saying like sometimes relationships get like my wife had that friend that the relationship was so toxic that it got beyond the point of showing charity, and it got to the point where it was like this is actually causing issues in our own marriage because my wife's always upset about this thing. It's like you have to cut people out of your lives in a situation like that, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 1:30:31

Yeah, in in there are situ there is there are things that would cause me to justifiably cut my mom out of our lives, you know, if she started trying to teach my kids certain certain things and and things like that, obviously. And like and we have cut Hope's dad out of out of our families. Well, yeah, but but like so he he had a lot of anger issues and would speak very poor badly and and crudely about their grandmother, you know, his ex-wife, and yeah, and um he had a lot of anger over you know, just a lot of things, and and we just made it very clear to him that that was never gonna be allowed around our family, and this was prior to to our oldest even being born. Um and I've I've tried a few different times um to try to reconcile with him, uh not so much for hope's sake or anything like that, but because the the kids should know their grandfather and he should you know get he should be able to know his grandkids before he dies. Um but we you know the choice was his and he chose not to. Um so yeah, there there are definitely times where it's it's justified, but it's gotta be something serious to uh to like you said to break apart a family, especially when it is my responsibility to to keep us all together.

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Families are hard, man. They're just hard. Like it, like keeping families together is such a uh a difficult thing to do. Like my family is like we'll have blowouts, like real blowouts. And then like me and my sister Michelle, man, especially when she was going through her divorce, the shit I said, I was just like, like, because I I I thought she was wrong for divorcing her husband, and I never held back on telling her that. And I I was just like, you're going like you're going to like I flat out told her, you will at some point realize how horrible of a thing you did. And it turned and we were both drinking and it turned into a screaming match, and my sister was hysterically crying, and then the next day we talked and we made up and stuff. I've had, I mean, I've told stories about me and my sister Janine's boyfriend throwing, he threw a bottle at my head. Like he pretty he tried to he tried to throw a bottle at my head. Families are very tricky, man. But when you get into having a small family like yours, and it's your mom that you're talking about, like it's dude, it's it's it's beyond um like I like I was so impressed that you have kept that family together because I know your temperament and I know your instinct is just I just don't need to deal with this shit, man. Like this is just too much. But it I don't I think that you have a like your mom would be alone without you, man. Like she would be alone without you, like you're all she has, and she's going to try to she's gonna try to constantly butt in and correct you and tell you you're this and you're that, but like you're all she has.

SPEAKER_04: 1:33:41

Um it's it's been especially bad lately. Um because like my my grandma, her mom is like she's 94 and she's uh more or less like actively dying, like not of any disease or anything, and who knows how long it's gonna take, but she's 94. Yeah, she's declining mentally, physically, like it's it can't go on forever. Could it still be another year? Yeah, it could be, could be tomorrow, too. We don't know. So, like, you know, we've we've made um since well, since September, we've made uh how many trips down to the cities? We had the baptism, we had went down then for Halloween for Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving, and we wanted to go down. Um we just did for New Year's too. We were going to go down for Christmas, but we decided we were sick, we had the flu. Yeah, um, you know, so we've been trying to go down as much as possible, and now like with this stuff going on, like we we can't. So like now my mom's being prevented from trying to get as much time with her own mom as she can before she dies by this stuff, by this unrest and what's going on, and super rough, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:34:53

And she and so if she and especially she loses her mom, like dude, like I'm gonna tell you, and the other thing Rob and I talked about was um and my brother's down there too, so she's dealing with one of her sons being four hours away from home in a area going uh going through all that civil unrest. Yeah, and but and she's close to you because of the because of the kids, and thank God for it, because like she gives you and hope a hand at times, right? Like she's all the time, yeah. She's very hard to do that to do this without her for sure. So it's yeah, it's dude. You just you have you have you do have a heavy cross, um, and it's very admirable how you handled it, man. Like, I was uh I'm telling you, as soon as I talked to her, I was like, oh my heart, my heart ached for you, man. I was just like, and I I called Nicole and I was just like, Nicole, I'm telling you, like, like my estimation of you went up so much because I was just like, oh, the things he's actually dealing with. Because we don't talk about this stuff frequently. Like this was kind of like my first insight into like what you're what you're dealing with on the ground of family stuff. And it's like it was, I was just it was very admirable, like knowing because dude, man, when people people criticize us, it's hard to not lash out when you're being when you feel like you're being judged, right? And like you know your mom is judging you and thinking you're doing things wrong, you know, and that's a very hard thing to love someone despite them thinking that of you. And especially like the thing is she's wrong in her judgment, like what you're doing is actually admirable, you know, like in the way you're raising your family, everything. So it's like you when when you feel that judgment, just just kind of brush it off and just say, okay, just like okay, I know I know that's what you think of me, but like she's never going to know how much the faith has actually saved your marriage and influenced you in the way you handle things and everything, you know. It's just that's kind of how I've I've dealt with people having their opinions of me, you know. It's like, all right, fine. I don't care, you know. My I have brothers who have a brother who probably thinks I'm nuts, and he's and he's very judgmental that I take my kids to church and all this that I'm just like okay, I don't care what you think, man. Like, whatever. Not the one with a lesbian daughter, not giving me kids, not giving me great kids. That was mean. I'm drinking. Um the um the other thing I was telling Rob about was like the difficulty of when your kids get older, and um like you have you have to walk this very cautious line of because when you have little kids, you have little problems and they seem really big, they seem really big, like you're just you're so overwhelmed when they're little because it's so much going on, but when your kids get bigger, that's when actually like real problems come because you're like, okay, what is what is he doing for a career? What is she doing for a spouse? Like, and it's very worrisome. Like the spouse thing is I think about that so much, man. Like, I just want my daughters and my son to meet good spouses more than anything because I know it's the most important decision you make in your life. Like, marrying the right person is the most important thing you will do. If you find a good spouse, even if you hit hard times, you have a good spouse as your rock. You know what I mean? It's like that, that's the most important thing. But the with the faith with your kids when they get older, because it's very easy when they're little, like they're excited to pray the rosary with you, they're excited to talk to you about different things. But when they get older, you have to walk this very tight line between forcing this stuff down their throat and allowing them to have enough leeway to have their own relationship with God. And if you overdo the trad stuff by making them drive two hours to a Latin mass every Sunday, like that gets, I'm telling you, that stuff, it will make them hate Catholicism because it's like this thing is just so freaking much. Well, every freaking week, I got I can't go see my friends because I gotta drive two hours to go to mass eat twice. Like, you have to so you you have to find the balancing act where like sometimes if my kids have something to do. Sometimes if my kids have something to do, I have to say to them, okay, look, you guys can go catch a five o'clock novus orto or something. And it's just you you you you you let them wait just a minute. You let them develop their own faith without letting them fall into mortal sin. It's a it's a tricky, it's a tricky thing because yeah, like you think about how many people raise their kids, homeschool them, and over trad do them. Hey, buddy.

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Um, yeah, it's uh it it gets tricky when they get older because you like you think about all those trad families who like homeschool their kids. They homeschool their kids and they force the stuff down their thrust, and then the second their kid gets a chance at freedom, they go and take advantage of it, you know, and they're and they they go and delve into sin because they've never been exposed to it in their lives, and it's like this this twinkly thing that they've never had a I mean to be fair, like I was in public school and I still didn't want you know me too when I left for college, so I don't know if you're ever gonna get away with from that. It it gets to well, it got it kind of gets to the conversation we had that a couple weeks ago where it's like, okay, like my son, I'm hoping, like, I'm really hoping. Um, I because I my son's been working with me and he worked with me yesterday, and I was just like, listen, I'm like, when we go to Italy, like I want you to go into this trip with an open heart, right? Like, go into it with open to however God wants to work in your life. Like, I don't know what it is I don't know what that means, but I do know this. If you're going to Italy and you're going to see these beautiful cathedrals and you're in a state of grace and you're going to daily mass, like, God can work wonders when you're in that kind of a state of grace, you know. And it's it's just you don't know what he's got in store for you. And sometimes it might be a freaking encounter with one of the saints, it might be uh an encounter with your own sin. Who knows what it is? But I just I hope all of them go into that whole experience with an open heart and uh because my my youngest is the one I'm worried about on that trip. Because I don't want to be dragging her to everything, you know. Like she's like, I don't want to like I don't want her annoyed she has to wake up early and go to church, and I don't want her annoyed that like we're dragging her to all these things, like she's she'd way rather a vacation at a resort somewhere, my daughter. You know what I mean? It's like that's not what this thing is.

SPEAKER_04: 1:42:16

No, it's not, but I mean, it's still Italy, it's still my casino, like it's it's still like magical, you in a sense, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03: 1:42:28

Like uh, we want to do um so they the uh the the pilgrimage company offer does a five-day pilgrimage to Mexico, and you stay at one hotel the whole time. So I think like once this thing's over, I think we're going to pitch like a family pilgrimage to Mexico, and you open the kids. It's in Mexico City, and you go see the Shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe, right? And they they I think it's a four-day actually, it's three nights, four days, it's way cheaper, right?

SPEAKER_04: 1:43:01

So, so that that I could do with my kids, I'm pretty sure that's what we're gonna do.

SPEAKER_03: 1:43:06

So, we're gonna and it's you're at one hotel the whole time, you're not traveling on buses with infants and stuff, like you're at one hotel and you do like little excursions, but you're at one place, you're stationary, it's three nights, it's not some two-week freaking excursion where you're walking five miles a day and crazy.

SPEAKER_04: 1:43:21

It's like you want to know a funny story, yeah. So, hope um, when she was a kid growing up, uh, you know, was Baptist even something like that, right? Um, so she's done mission trips to to Jamaica, but uh I don't know if her trip to Mexico City was a mission trip or not. I think it might have been. But so she was in Mexico City for like a week or two weeks as a kid, didn't go see you know the Tilma, didn't go, you know, didn't go see Guadalupe because she was a baptist and she kicks herself so much now.

SPEAKER_03: 1:43:57

Missing out of the most like wonderful treasure of the church, like to go see the Tilma. Man, I'm excited for that. So well, we're we're going to do that because that's one that like both of us could take both our families. It's only a four-day, five-day thing, whatever it is. Like, it's not two weeks out of your life where you're it's just not like because I had a few people reach out for this pilgrimage asking if they could take their one-year-old, asking if they could take their six-year-old. I'm like, honestly, it's not that kind of trip, you really can't. And I felt bad, but like, how are you? First of all you we have like days where we're on like five-hour bus ride. Like, how do you bring a one-year-old on a five-hour bus ride?

SPEAKER_04: 1:44:38

Like, that's not what are even the child seat laws in Italy, you know?

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Yeah, I don't, I don't even know like how that would work, so it's like it's just not, it's just not that kind of trip. Like, it's just not, you know, and it's so there's so much walking, man. Like you're just you're just trekking, like the whole time you're there, you're just trekking and trekking. And it's like if you if you're carrying in a baby in each, like, it's just too much, you know. But Mexico City, I think we could do get a couple strollers and we could pull that off with families, and I and it's way more affordable. So I think we could get other families to come on that one. That'll be awesome.

SPEAKER_04: 1:45:14

That would be fun, it really would.

SPEAKER_03: 1:45:16

Um, uh, dude, I watched the uh the Protestants debate interracial marriage today. I I didn't see the whole thing, but what was interesting is there the whole thing is from sola scriptura, and it's like this is a this is an argument of philosophy, this is an argument of like natural law and reason. It's not a it's not a scriptural argument at all, like it's just not at all, you know. And I actually was listening to both sides of the argument, and I'm going, I could argue better on this side, and I can argue better on this side, like both sides I could have argued better for, and even from scripture, like the like Rusalon didn't even bring up like breaking down the dividing wall of hostility in Ephesians. It's like, what do you think that's about? Like, what do you think the dividing wall of hostility is? It's the breaking down of that temple wall, and now Jews and Gentiles can actually intermarry because Jews were forbidden from intermarrying, so like that is a very good argument for being able to mix a two different cultures, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 1:46:32

To be fair, that was just God was like, you know what? Time to get rid of the Jews.

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It's a but that actually is where I would have based my argument in that. If you're going from scripture alone, you know, yeah, but then Joel Webbin was trying to argue from scripture, and I'm like, this is not a scriptural argument, like you have to use just common sense on this one, and it's like you want to preserve your culture, that's all it really comes down to. And the thing is, like, if you read American Reform, he's got a thread about this topic where it's just pope after pope actually talking about like the importance of preserv preserving a nation and preserving the genius of each individual nation because each individual nation brings a different genius to to the uh like to the table, and it's actually very important that you don't just make someone big conglomerate of everything and mix it all together.

SPEAKER_04: 1:47:23

That was um one of my favorite series that was cut short over on me of Catholic was the different souls of the nations, you know. Uh you had uh Luis Medina talk about obviously um Spain, you know. You had Luis on and do and we should read we should read let's read, let's do it. Let's let's read better.

SPEAKER_03: 1:47:48

Well, absolutely, man.

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Let's get we'll get Luis on um for Spain and and and the the new world. We'll get uh Theo and Catholic unscripted on to talk about England.

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We'll get that's actually a really good idea for a series because like we're always looking for ideas to do. Let's I'm gonna I'm gonna actually contact Luis and see if we can get him on and do basically redo that series. I'll even go re-listen to it so I know what to ask him, you know, so like I I know how to actually host it and and and I'll I'll go back and I'll read.

SPEAKER_04: 1:48:22

We could get um Robert Nugent on talk about Ireland, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:48:26

Yeah, and we'll reach out to the different Catholics all over the world and we'll and we'll try to we'll try to show like the the uniqueness and beauty of each individual culture, but how it's still a universal church. That's that's one thing. Uh we have Daniel O'Connor on Tuesday. Uh Daniel O'Connor is gonna come on on Tuesday.

SPEAKER_04: 1:48:47

Um you know, I don't disagree with him about the alien thing, but it gets to be a little bit much for me, you know. But he said he's had some solid takes on the geopolitical stuff and on the immigration stuff, so yeah, I think that's I think that's gonna be that's what I told him though.

SPEAKER_03: 1:49:06

I said, um, I said I I know like the thing is to talk to you about aliens and AI. I said, and we'll definitely do that. I said, but Rob's been loving your take on Greenland and some of the other things. I said, so like we're gonna spread that conversation out a bit. Like, we're not just going to do he's got a documentary coming out, um, The Great Deception. Um, that is kind of like in in opposition to that documentary that just came out.

SPEAKER_04: 1:49:33

Or the uh disclosure. Also, the movie that the Spielberg movie, right? That's coming up with something.

SPEAKER_03: 1:49:39

Yeah, but they had the the disclosure documentary came out, and now Spielberg's coming out with a movie. So he came up with a documentary to kind of like oppose those. He's uh he he's he's he's definitely got good ideas on that, but yeah, it was it was interesting to watch his take on Greenland. And I uh like I I did send Nick Fuentes a DM. Really? I sent Fuentes a DM. You want to know something though? I realize like the Grupers suck. Like the Grupers can't get us a Fuentes interview.

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They probably could have when we first started talking about it, but weren't really into it.

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Like, they got no polos, kids. They suck. You can't get us a Puentes interview. Like we're fair. I don't think Heinzapp even had a Puentes interview, dude. He's been on Joel Webbin, he's going on with Protestants. You we can't get him on. I'm just telling you, if you you groipers actually suck, you can't get us a Puentes interview at this point.

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Fucking um worst. What other what other not necessarily prominent, they don't have to be like super famous, but what other Catholics from other nations can we have on to talk about this stuff? Like, I don't know any uh Italian Catholic influencers.

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Oh no, I do. Uh the this guy, uh Alejandro, who took us through a CC, who I'm going to see again. But um once once we made sure we locked him in for a CC, I'll get him on just to talk about um he he took us through a CC in a way that was. I was like, I want to get this guy on the show so bad just to talk about St. Francis. Like he just but yeah, we could maybe talk to him. He would be he would be a good one for Italy. Um, but other than him, I don't know any other Italians.

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Like, I don't I don't know anyone from France.

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No other English speaking Italians. Like it's it's interesting because like Robert Nugent speaks English because he's Irish, yeah, like Catholic unscripted speaks English because they're from the UK, and Louis Medina speaks English.

SPEAKER_04: 1:51:43

Yeah, so we should have Modsley on the English episode too.

SPEAKER_03: 1:51:46

Yeah, that would be good. Germany, he could do he could do Germany, we'll get Modsley on for Germany, we'll get the Catholic unscripted on for England. Oh wow. Oh wow. I kind of have some notes. You guys want to hear my notes?

SPEAKER_04: 1:52:07

Do you think my notes? Do you think Father Nick's could get us uh Eduardo Vestigie for Mexico? Maybe I think so. That'd be kind of cool, right?

SPEAKER_03: 1:52:15

I think so. For Mexico, that would be cool. Um, my notes, let me see. Um so like the thesis I'm kind of playing with is um I'm going to go in and say uh essentially, like for this event or for this weekend? This weekend, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like what I'm going to go down and talk to them about is basically like them playing into so like the hierarchy is continuously talking about Vatican II, and we all think it's cringe. But what that has done is made the trad world just talk about Vatican II in opposition to the hierarchy talking about Vatican II.

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Yeah.

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And what it has done is alienated the younger generation because the younger generation wants to talk about Jews, feminine feminism, and race, and you guys are all stuck talking about Vatican II. And I'm I'm going to play with that thesis, and I'm going to try to like I'm going to talk about Fuentes a little bit, and I'm going to say, like, you guys are all probably wondering like what the what the phenomenon is with Nick. And the re and like the general consensus has been anybody that talks to him should be canceled. But in reality, none of you are addressing any of his concerns. And the fact is, there are scriptural and salvation history concerns about the Jewish people, and then I'm going to launch into discussing why there is enmity between Jews and Christians. Now I'm doing this over lunch. I have to do this over lunch. They're all going to be eating while I talk to them about the enmity between Jews and Christians, which is make sure they're eating bacon. I just think, like, because dude, I saw Vegano came out with a statement the other day and he's talking about the deep state. And I saw Liz Yore doing the same thing, and it's like, you guys are talking about the deep state, but like, what do you think the deep state is? Like, what do you mean?

SPEAKER_04: 1:54:27

Like, like, how can you how can you how can you even properly address Vatican II without addressing the whole Jewish thing?

SPEAKER_03: 1:54:34

How do you not talk about the Holocaust narrative? Like, it is inseparable from Vatican II. Like, and that kind of realization came to us like two years ago where we're like, you can't really separate like what happened in World War II from these guys calling a council. Like the two things are so connected, right? It's like it one leads to the other, and they have this, they have this set of plans that they're gonna do for the council, and then a bunch of people who live through the like the tragedy of World War II come in and change the whole plan of the freaking of the council.

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So in the 1920s and early Thursday 30s, the Jews are just railing against the traditional liturgy and the prayer for the Jews, and then you know you have the whole World War II thing that happens, and then suddenly that's over, and suddenly they're right back at it. A council is called, and the council does exactly what the Jews want with the liturgy, but yet we never talk about that when we criticize the council.

SPEAKER_03: 1:55:31

It's crazy, man. So, like getting to getting to these like this. I have to feel the crowd out first. So I'm going there Friday, and I'm gonna have dinner with everybody, and I'm gonna kind of just like feel out the crowd and see who's there. And I'm gonna listen. So Catherine's giving a talk on feminism, which I'm really happy about. Um, the so the keynote on Saturday first talk is vegano. Um, then cat Catherine goes on at 10. Um, I have like the whole layout of who goes where, but like Catherine goes on at 10. Now I go on at 12, and when I go on, I have to I think I might open with like how much I hate public speaking. And the last time I published the last time I publicly spoke was the Catholic uh, you know, the canceled priest conference, but before that was my brother's wedding, and I'm gonna tell the story about bombing at my brother's wedding.

SPEAKER_04: 1:56:32

You should also say how the last time you were invited to publicly speak, you were canceled because of the good idea.

SPEAKER_03: 1:56:37

That's a good idea. It's a good idea.

SPEAKER_04: 1:56:41

Like my history were literally canceled because uh because the Trads didn't want to talk about feminism in the Jews, and the Jews actually, those are the two reasons Robin.

SPEAKER_03: 1:56:54

Holy shit, thank you. Yeah, this is canceled from a diocesan conference because of because I wanted to talk about uh by a diocesan conference at a by Bishop Martin's you were right, but it no, he didn't cancel you, right?

SPEAKER_04: 1:57:11

It was the priest that the priest gets in trouble with Bishop Martin.

SPEAKER_03: 1:57:15

Correct. So that's actually a really good okay.

SPEAKER_04: 1:57:20

It's a pro okay. They're wondering where you're speaking, why you're you're not mentioning it's a private meeting between listen. But it's in Florida somewhere, it's in Tampa, right?

SPEAKER_03: 1:57:31

And they it's basically uh somebody who um I I think they uh I basically I think this thing, what it is, is a place to network, right? It's not open to the public, like it's a place to network. I think that's what it is. Like it's it's she puts it together so that Catholics no, it's not a select conference, it's not a select conference. No, no, no, it's kind of a benepletis conference in a sense, but some of them, but no, like Michael Hitchborne's going to be. No, it's not stop digging for it's not at a church, it's a place where we could kind of like game out like how this thing plays out. But I do think like I'm looking forward to seeing I'm staying in a Airbnb with Mark Sitzio from Catholic Unscripted and John Henry Weston, and I'm looking forward to that. Like, we have an Airbnb.

SPEAKER_04: 1:58:43

Yeah, but I'm not gonna he obviously it his last name's over everything. Oh, is it all over Catholic Unscripted? Okay, okay, Mark Lambert from Catholic Unscripted.

SPEAKER_03: 1:58:53

Yeah, that's right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, so yeah, I don't know why yeah. So I I'm looking forward to hanging with Mark and John. We have an Airbnb, just the three of us. Like, I'm gonna keep those guys up until like 2 a.m. hanging out, just talking. But John Henry, I'm looking forward to talking to, especially because um, like I I want I want life site to make it, and I think I can I can give him some insight to maybe yeah, because it's uh it's not gonna make it without smell. Well, I think that they I think there's some things they could try to to to do to to make it because I want to see John Henry. Like, I've I love John Henry, he's been he's always been good to me. Like he's had me on, he interviewed me at the at the canceled priest conference, he had me on a show uh a couple months ago. Like he's just he's just a he's got a good heart and he was always nice to me. And I'm not like dude, I'm super loyal to people who are good to me. Like, he's never done anything to make me dislike him personally. So if there's any I can offer and any kind of help and how to how to reach younger people, I'm gonna help them. Uh he's doing a panel, him, Michael Hitchbourne, and somebody else are doing a panel. Uh, but I'll it's it's interesting because Altman is speaking Friday. So they're all getting there Thursday. And I was kind of invited Friday, and I was told just be there for dinner. And Altman's speaking at like two in the afternoon on Friday, and I kind of think they invited me Friday afternoon because he doesn't like me. Like it's just an intuition. I don't know. I hope I see him though. Like, I hope I see him there. I hope he says something to me. Altman. Yeah, I hope he says something to me. Like, he thinks he's gonna out-alpha me. He's out of his mind. He's out of his mind if he thinks he's gonna like out-alpha me. Like, you're a you know who you're talking to, bro. There's not a chance. Like, I'm gonna tell him straight out. Like, I may have said some things about you, but that's because you were an asshole when I met you. Like, you were an asshole when I met you, and I'm not one to talk bad about my friends ever.

SPEAKER_04: 2:01:11

But if you're an asshole to me, wait, is vegan all gonna actually be there?

SPEAKER_03: 2:01:15

No, no, no, it's video comments. Uh, I don't know whether you're gonna wear it. Yeah, the assassins are after him.

SPEAKER_04: 2:01:23

Yeah, and it's gonna wear it. I should I should wear this shirt. You should you should wear it for the talk.

SPEAKER_03: 2:01:32

I'm not even joking. No, I'm gonna wear something nice for the talk. It would be funny. Uh no, honestly, though, uh, they're saying is Hitchborne gonna give a talk on the flood. I'm going to um I'm going to mention how Michael Hitchbourne is one of Avoiding Babylon, like the the audience of Avoiding Babylon, he's one of their favorite guests. Yeah. Not because of the stuff he does with Lepanto, but because of his take on Old Testament stuff and his take on the pr anti-deluvian world. Like that's the stuff that people love having Hitchbourne on for. Like I don't think our audience ever was into like when Michael comes on and reports all the shady shit at the CCHD. I don't we've never done that with him. We did it once or twice, and I and we do it to kind of just help him promote his thing, yeah. But it's never why we have him on, like, right.

SPEAKER_04: 2:02:32

Not that it he does great work and it he does important work. We're not not saying anything against that, it's just not what we're interested in.

SPEAKER_03: 2:02:41

No, I just love the way Michael's Michael thinks. Like, I think he's got some awesome insights into the old testament, and I think he's got some awesome insights into dude. His pre-flood world stuff. I that was one of the most riveting shows we've ever done. Like, I was just like, Holy shit, I never heard anything like this. This is so cool. Like, he was obsessed with dinosaurs as a kid, and he's like, He's like, You think a brontosaurus would make it in today's atmosphere? He's like, No way, like there was a different world before the flood. Cool stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 2:03:16

That's to have him on and see if to see if we um really want Greenland so we control one of the entrances to a car side.

SPEAKER_03: 2:03:26

Somebody's saying, like, if you want to watch Hitchborn for his reporting, you go you kind of go to his channel for that, yeah. But when he comes on with us, we want to see Michael like with his no tie on and like comes and hangs.

SPEAKER_04: 2:03:36

So someone's got a great icebreaker joke for you.

SPEAKER_03: 2:03:39

Let's hear it.

SPEAKER_04: 2:03:40

We uh we were gonna order six million pizzas for lunch for the conference, but they told us they didn't have enough ovens.

SPEAKER_03: 2:03:47

I'm thinking more just going in and being like, so um, I wasn't aware that uh I was speaking during lunch. I think I think I'm here to provide some like light entertainment. So let's talk about the apocalypse and how the Jews are gonna be the whore of the apocalypse, like something like that. Like I haven't figured out the wording yet, but something like really drastic after trying to come in lighthearted, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 2:04:14

I gotta figure out the wording on it, but you you do need to have Hitchborne record you.

SPEAKER_03: 2:04:19

I do do you one of one of the things I'm the most upset about is the the coalition for canceled priests took my talk down.

SPEAKER_04: 2:04:31

Do they take all of them down?

SPEAKER_03: 2:04:33

No, they just don't like you, but they I mean it's because it's because um what's his name in the case?

SPEAKER_04: 2:04:39

Well, it's funny is you you you kind of have pissed off both Lovell and uh Ultimate, so whoever's in charge of that thing, you're screwed.

SPEAKER_03: 2:04:46

Yeah, so uh Lovell introduced me, and I think they were trying to erase all Lovel Lovell stuff, and so because he introduced me, I think that's why they took my talk down. Um, but I would like to get the recording of that to put on our channel. Like that was it was my first time speaking publicly, like I was my first talk publicly, and I like it wasn't great. Did you sign a release? I still know a couple of guys over there that I could probably get. Like the well, did you sign?

SPEAKER_04: 2:05:20

Did you sign a release?

SPEAKER_03: 2:05:21

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_04: 2:05:22

Then you legally own your image and likeness and can demand that.

SPEAKER_03: 2:05:28

I but I still know somebody over there that I think I could get it. Um, I'll have to reach out to them. Uh yeah, I think I might be able to get I actually texted him like a year ago about it when they took it down, and I was like, Oh man, he was like, No, no, no, we're gonna fix it, we're gonna get it back up there. Not Joe Gallagher, no, somebody else. Um but yeah, and the other thing, Nicole was like, Did you ever Google your name? I was like, no, why I've Googled your name.

SPEAKER_04: 2:05:54

It I can't ever find you, it's always other abodies.

SPEAKER_03: 2:05:59

Oh, if you if you punch in Anthony Abadi Catholic or Anthony Abadi avoiding Babylon, you get tons of images of Patrick Coffin. Of course you do that.

SPEAKER_04: 2:06:11

Um let's let's check this. Oh, I uh you're you the first thing is from uh the traditional Catholic subreddit. A quote of you that is. It's a tweet. It's a tweet. I searched Anthony Abadi Catholic. What did you search?

SPEAKER_03: 2:06:39

I I searched that too, but that's a tweet on Reddit. Like they were just they just put my tweet on Reddit.

SPEAKER_04: 2:06:46

But then the next one is your interviewer.

SPEAKER_03: 2:06:53

If you look up Anthony Abadi on YouTube, my crazy ass uncle comes up. Really? Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh, that's my crazy ass uncle, dude. That's my crazy ass uncle.

SPEAKER_04: 2:07:09

That almost looks like Dr. K.

SPEAKER_05: 2:07:11

Dude, that's my uncle. He's got a YouTube channel.

SPEAKER_04: 2:07:17

Is his name Anthony?

SPEAKER_05: 2:07:18

Yeah. That's too funny. You gotta scroll down away.

SPEAKER_03: 2:07:30

Oh, yeah, there it is. You see him? Yeah, like crazy as uncle. Dude, he's nuts, that guy.

SPEAKER_04: 2:07:37

The science wizard, huh?

SPEAKER_03: 2:07:39

Yeah, he's uh oh man, you want to talk about a lib? That's my dad's brother, my dad's older brother, and he was like uh a science teacher at Brickhaven Labs, where like I did all those crazy experiments and shit. And like he he like he grew his beard out and he would do like parties where he would go to people's parties and do his science experiments and stuff. Like he's nuts, that guy.

SPEAKER_04: 2:08:04

I'm glad that my name brings up nothing on YouTube.

SPEAKER_03: 2:08:08

Well, my name brings stuff up because I've been on other people's shows and they put my name in their show. So, like, you'll see me on Catholic Family Podcast, and you'll see me probably on John Henry Weston's show, yeah, Michael Hitchborne's show, um Mike Pantile, New Crusade. Yeah, you're gonna see like guest appearances when they put my full name in.

SPEAKER_04: 2:08:38

I think I'm always because you they'll say Anthony Abati from Avoiding Babylon. Yeah, well you're just I'm Rob from Avoiding Babylon.

SPEAKER_03: 2:08:45

Well, it's because I'm very public about my my last name. Like, I don't give a shit. Like you're you have to still be a little cautious with your job, so you don't mention your last name unless you need to.

SPEAKER_04: 2:08:58

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_03: 2:09:00

Somebody said, All right, dudes, I'm bored. Good night. All right, we can wrap this up.

SPEAKER_04: 2:09:03

Yeah, we we haven't been talking much lately.

SPEAKER_03: 2:09:06

All right. Um, I think the sh I think the local show itself was good, though.

SPEAKER_04: 2:09:12

I think so. Well, I've been telling you guys 20 minutes.

SPEAKER_03: 2:09:15

I think that was a really good local show. I mean, I'm sorry it teetered out at the end, but um yeah, all right, guys. Oh we have Tuesday night. We have um uh Daniel O'Connor, and then I think I'm gonna reach out to Luis Medina and see if we can do another series on Spain. Um, thank you, Paul. Paul said it was a great show. He's not bored. Uh uh Taffy said he enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_04: 2:09:41

Um yeah, it would be cool to do um to do Spain and then either as part of that or maybe another episode, um as like Mexico and like Latin America as like a European stepchild of Spain, or you know, so you know, so Luis is good for that too.

SPEAKER_03: 2:10:04

Luis gets Dean Conquers down there, so we could do that with Luis too. Um, the other thing is like uh whoever said they were bored, like when we get to this point in the show, like we just know it's just you guys hanging, so like we're not like I don't know, we're just shooting the shit at this point. It's like, what are you guys doing on a Thursday night anyway? It's got shit like that.

SPEAKER_04: 2:10:25

We'd either be talking like this here with you guys with us, or we'd turn off the show and have the same conversation in the green room. So or we're going on Twitter, guys.

SPEAKER_03: 2:10:36

I don't know. This is fun. This is just like it's just kind of what we do. Imagine being bored. Uh all right, everybody's everybody's diving out of the locals anyway. We'll wrap this up. All right, we'll see you guys on Tuesday. Take us out, Robert.