Fulton Sheen to be Beatified while Roche Digs Himself a Bigger Hole (Full LOCALS Version)

Pilgrimage plans, liturgy politics, and a hard reset on what young Catholics actually need—we cover it all with a mix of candor, humor, and concrete next steps. We pull on threads the news won’t: Fulton Sheen’s overdue beatification and how his voice—prophetic about the “ape of the Church” yet obedient—still steadies Catholics who grew up under John Paul II and Benedict XVI. Then we face the consistory and Cardinal Roche’s letter head-on: the reframing of the 1962 Missal as a mere concession, the sidelining of liturgy in favor of talking points, and the disconnect between “evangelization by beauty” and the refusal to protect beauty where it’s already thriving. If worship is the source and summit, it must look, sound, and feel like heaven breaks in.

But the centerpiece is cultural honesty. The online trad world is aging. Young men aren’t arguing footnotes; they’re trying to build a life in a hostile economy: debt-heavy degrees, offshored work, H1B competition, locked housing, and a brutal dating market. If “tradition” can’t connect doctrine to jobs, marriage, and parish power, it turns into cosplay. We outline a better way: pair reverent worship with practical formation—mentorship, skills, stable work, local community, and courtship that actually leads to a wedding aisle.

Two final cautions keep us grounded. Public “sinner’s prayers” online aren’t sacraments; pray for souls and cling to the ordinary means of grace. And race rhetoric is acid to the heart; culture matters for marriage and family, but Catholics can’t train themselves to despise their neighbors. Guard your speech, serve your parish, and measure every hot take against the Beatitudes. Want in on the pilgrimage or just craving a conversation that treats your life as real? Hit play, subscribe, and share this with a friend who needs both truth and hope.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Cold Open, Haircuts, Banter
• 2:21 Italy Pilgrimage Details And Pricing
• 5:35 Sponsors, Codes, And Show Housekeeping
• 7:04 Tonight’s Agenda And Locals Tease
• 8:18 Fulton Sheen: Beatification And Legacy
• 16:42 Vatican II, Obedience, And 80s–90s Context
• 22:30 Consistory Fallout And Cardinal Roche’s Letter
• 31:12 Summorum, Mutual Enrichment, And Limits
• 39:30 Is Trad Media A Youth Movement Anymore
• 47:55 Major Topic Drift: Young Men’s Real Problems
• 56:20 Post-2016 Catholic Media Boom And Contraction
• 1:04:20 Rebranding Tradition And Evangelizing By Beauty
• 1:13:10 Listener Q&A And Practical Parish Notes
• 1:17:55 Scott Adams, Deathbed Faith, And Sacraments
• 1:27:18 Online Church, Obligation, And Community
• 1:34:40 Locals Preview And Family Cameos
• 1:38:20 Race, Marriage, And Guarding Against Cynicism
• 1:50:05 Protestant Schisms And “Visible Church” Claims
• 2:05:10 Caution On Culture War Rhetoric
• 2:12:40 Closing Bits, Travel Plans, And Sign-Off

Transcript

SPEAKER_06: 1:06

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SPEAKER_09: 1:09

That's where I don't get the Murce. I don't know why I was wearing a MERS. I hate it though. What's funny is doesn't your son have that exact haircut?

SPEAKER_02: 1:21

Yes!

SPEAKER_08: 1:27

So very many doesn't know. I never watched the intro videos beforehand. Rob just sees them because I kind of like to be surprised. It's like does Taffy know music? It's all music. Well, I don't think I think that's all AI, right? Yeah, it won't go. I don't, I don't, yeah, that was awful, man. Oh my gosh. What a terrible intro.

SPEAKER_09: 1:47

And never had that hair, but he had frosted tips.

SPEAKER_08: 1:53

I had when I was in like uh middle school up until like maybe 10th grade, I had hair down like here. Like I had like, I mean, I was it was Kurt Cobain hair, yeah. It was the 90s. I had it was like I think I I probably got pictures of that. Nicole probably does. I'll try to find them, but yeah, man. I had like, you know, we all grew our hair long back then. It wasn't like the Zoomers where it was just puffy on top, like you grew your hair long, you grew it like Kurt Cobain back then.

SPEAKER_09: 2:19

Um man, that was great.

SPEAKER_08: 2:21

There are there are about uh 18 spots left for the pilgrimage, by the way. So uh we're doing Italy in November 30th to December 9th. Um, it's an interesting group that's reaching out to me. It's a lot of young people, man. Like people in their in their 20s, uh, single, like guys and girls. Then um, our friend Courtney, who we met in North Carolina, asked me about it. He's gonna he's possibly bringing his wife and his 19-year-old. I'm bringing my wife and three kids. So my son's 20, my daughter's nine. It's gonna be a very young group. Um, and then there's obviously gonna be older people there too, but I think this might be like a really young pilgrimage group, which I'm really looking forward to. So the I'm not well, I'm just saying I'm not doing a complete rundown, and you don't care, Jim, because you're already in. So Jim doesn't want to hear about it anymore because he's already in. Jim's coming, but uh, yeah, we're doing Rome, uh uh Pompeii and Assisi. Uh so it's a beautiful don't forget Monte Casino, Monte Casino, Loretta. Every day we have we have a priest that says says the Latin mass can be a Latin mass pilgrimage. Any chance we get there, maybe a Novusordo, one or two if it has to. Um, but it is going to be an amazing trip, and it is very affordable compared to all the other prices I'm seeing. I'm seeing one of one of my friends posted a picture of his parish doing one, it's like eight grand. I'm like, that's crazy. Like Taylor Taylor is doing one in February, his is about$1,100 more than mine. Joshua Charles is doing that's how much his presence is worth.

SPEAKER_09: 3:53

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 3:53

I mean, he's a way bigger name than us. And I don't, but the thing is, I don't know if he's gonna get down in the mud with with the riff raff like I will. Like, I'm hanging out with everybody.

SPEAKER_09: 4:01

Like, that's and by that you mean drinking late into the night, drinking late into the night every night.

SPEAKER_08: 4:06

Like, I'm really looking forward to as much as seeing all the holy sites getting to hang out with everybody after dinner. 4200. It's 4200, Tom. And uh, I saw Tom at Mass on minus flights, right? Yes, minus flights, but flights to Rome in December are only about 500-round trip, so it's a very cheap time to fly. That's why we chose December. That's how we got the prices that low. Rome is empty in December. That's another reason we chose to go at that time. Um, it's going to be an amazing trip. So, if you guys want, there's about 18 spots left. This thing, dude, it like we had more after me announcing that one show than we had on the last pilgrimage for the whole like I did one announcement, and like I can't even tell you how many people reached it. I couldn't believe it how quick it went. So, yeah, 500 from JFK. I think anywhere in the country. We had 12,000 subscribers last time compared to 53,000 subscribers back. Yeah, it's it's pretty it's pretty awesome, and and I'm and I'm I'm really excited to get to meet everybody. It's gonna be a really fun time. So, um, but yeah, so um, we're staying in like four plus star hotels, like four or better. It's going to be it's going to be a really, really nice trip if you guys saw the places we're going. So if you guys are interested, just email me at Anthony at a Anthony at avoidingbabylon.com and I will send you the itinerary so I don't have to drag on about it on the show. We'll get to the topic in a second. Um, also while we are doing um house keep housekeeping, uh Recuson Sellers. Okay, you already do that one. Okay, please please visit RecucentSellars.com, use code based at checkout for 10% off. Recky Sincellars is amazing. I ordered three bottles from them the other day. I'm gifting one to my in-laws, I'm gifting one to my parents, and I'm keeping one. And when it gets here, I will be drinking it on the show with you guys to celebrate. Uh tonight, uh oh yeah, so recusyncsellers.com use code based at checkout for 10% off. You could put pre-orders in for their fruit that comes in the spring. They are amazing supporters of the show. We love RecuSynth, they stick with us through thick and thin.

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I'm gonna have to talk about I'm gonna have to ask them about the morality of what I'm doing using that, using our own promo code. But uh um, all right. So Archbishop Fulton Sheen. So here's what we're gonna do tonight. Obviously, we're gonna talk about Archbishop Fulton Sheen. I want to talk about Scott Adams. Uh, we're gonna talk about the the Roach document, and then on locals, I'm thinking we do there's a civil war in Protestantism right now over interracial marriage. Ruth Lon is about to debate Joel Webbin. Um, and I have a bit of a nuanced view on that topic. Like, I don't necessarily fall.

SPEAKER_09: 7:34

If you're Sicilian, you have to.

SPEAKER_08: 7:36

Yeah, it's not I and I'm I'm sure our Zoomer audience is not going to, you know, be fully on board. Like, I I do think there are issues there, but I also like I don't know. We'll get into it on the other side. We're gonna discuss that, and then I have some inside baseball about what I'm doing this weekend that you guys will want to hear.

SPEAKER_09: 7:54

And um I could use some advice. I'm obligated to at some point tonight have Iggy on the show since because last night Maddie was on the Guns and Rosary show, and he wanted Iggy to be on the show so I could splice the two clips of them together to for I don't know, Maddie just Maddie being Maddie.

SPEAKER_08: 8:13

Matt Maddie wants to be like daddy, is what it is. Maddie wants to broadcast.

SPEAKER_09: 8:18

Yeah, he does. He does. He wants to start a channel where him and I talk about space in Catholicism.

SPEAKER_08: 8:26

And and we're gonna see if we can set him up with Jason's son. Jason's son is nine, and he's got some awesome theories about space too. So that might actually be a funny, a funny little by the way.

SPEAKER_09: 8:36

The way you said this was stupid. I have inside knowledge about what I plan to do this week.

SPEAKER_08: 8:40

No, I what I meant inside like you guys like when we spill the tea, like that's what Molly says. She's like, I like when you guys spill the tea. So I have I have some like inside baseball stuff that's going on behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_09: 8:54

Anthony's going to an event this weekend with some big names, and he wants to spill the tea a little on it. Well, that's what he's really not supposed to. I'm not supposed to, but we'll do it. If you guys have if if you hear him talk up start to talk about Tucker Carlson, turn earmuffs immediately because he's not supposed to.

SPEAKER_08: 9:14

You guys will see. We'll talk about it on the other side. So if you guys aren't locals members, join our local show. It's gonna be uh it's gonna be a fun one over there. Um, so Bishop Sheen, Rob, you had a good tweet today. Uh it looks like maybe there's some benefits to having a bishop from Illinois get get elected to the papacy, huh?

SPEAKER_09: 9:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It looks like we're finally getting uh Sheen uh beatification, finally.

SPEAKER_08: 9:40

Which really is overdue. Um, and it's kind of a shame how that whole thing went down, where it was already in like it was in motion to happen. And then the Diocese of Peoria kind of had a battle with Dolan because Dolan wanted Sheen's remains to remain at St. Patrick's Cathedral, right? And Peoria wanted his remains back there, and then it got into this bickering match and it prevented the beatification. Now, I think there were other politics that went into it also, because look, I mean, Trads want to make it out like Sheen was a perfect guy when it came to a lot of stuff, but I mean he he was a Vatican II guy. Let's let's be very clear about that. But uh yeah, towards the end of or yeah, but everyone was except for it's it's kind of hard to right. So it's kind of hard to Monday morning quarterback or hindsight is 2020, look at that situation. And you like they were dealing with the obedience dilemma at the time, like there there was a real obedience dilemma. It's like we're still dealing with that 100%. And it was especially once Lefebvre broke and Lefebvre ordained those bishops, like that stuff was crazy in the church, and it looks like there's a schism about the form. Like, I don't know where I mean, I know where I fell on that side of the debate before Francis, right? Like, I know where I fell on it before Francis. It was Francis coming that made me start questioning all that stuff, but like at the time, man, if you if you were if you were a Catholic in the nine eighties, nineties, and you know, when did when did uh bishop sheen die?

SPEAKER_09: 11:26

I'm not sure to be honest. Can you look at say it was in the was it the late 70s?

SPEAKER_08: 11:32

Late 70s, early 80s, probably, right?

SPEAKER_09: 11:35

Someone will tell us. I'm not even gonna look it up, someone will tell us.

SPEAKER_08: 11:38

Um, yeah, like that, all that stuff is going on. I mean, I grew up in the 90s, and you you were told that John Paul II was a living saint, you know, it was it was John Paul II and Mother Teresa, and it isn't until like 2016-2017 that my like I was right, late 70s, 79. Yeah, I think it's 79. It wasn't until like 2017 that I even had the the courage to go back and kind of look at the the CC meetings and John Paul II presiding over the abuse crisis and all that stuff, and then even the conversation with emj about um Benedict was pretty interesting, right? Yeah, talking about talking about Benedict being like having that like that classic Midwest personality, even though he's not from the Midwest, like that passive aggressive attitude, you know, and it and finding out that Benedict was behind a lot of the stuff on on the schemas for the actual councils. So you know he was Bishop Sheen was at the council, he was pretty big into religious liberty. These guys are all coming from an American perspective. It I don't I it's hard for me to judge the man in hindsight, is all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_09: 12:58

I mean, the guy was right and nearly prophetic about so much that you know what he didn't bat a thousand. Yeah, it happens, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 13:06

Man, you if you have you ever, I'm pretty sure you've heard it where where Sheen predicts the anti-church. Yeah, like that that prophecy he he put I mean we call it a prophecy, but it it really maps out where it's I mean, it looks like the ape of the church. That's what he called it, right? The ape of the church, yeah, that's Sheen's prophecy about the ape of the church. So it's so accurate that you see a lot of Trads using that language, calling certain things that are happening the ape of the church. It's pretty pretty interesting. So yeah, yeah. No, I don't I I yeah, I had a couple of people say to me, like, are you gonna bring up that Sheen is a modernist? And it's like I don't know, like I love Bishop Sheen, like his homilies and like his show, all those talks he gave on those shows, they had such a big part in my conversion.

SPEAKER_09: 13:58

So your middle name James?

SPEAKER_08: 14:00

No, Alan. My dad's name. My dad's name's Alan Anthony Abadi. I'm Anthony Allen Abadi.

SPEAKER_09: 14:08

James didn't seem right.

SPEAKER_08: 14:09

Yeah, I don't know. James. Are you out of your mind? Um, so I I'm very happy about Sheen. There are like tons of um of miracles attributed to Sheen. There's like babies dying and coming back to life and stuff. Like this, some there's some pretty, pretty really good um uh miracles to attribute his beat.

SPEAKER_09: 14:32

You're the ape of Long Island.

SPEAKER_08: 14:34

I mean, I'm not even gonna argue against that. Um so yeah, that's that I think that's pretty good news that Sheen's getting beatified. Uh they even set a date for it.

SPEAKER_09: 14:44

Uh like it's did they set because I I heard I saw September. Did they have an official date?

SPEAKER_08: 14:50

It might be at the might be at the June consistory. Really?

SPEAKER_09: 14:54

I thought I was seeing September all over.

SPEAKER_08: 14:56

Maybe you did. Maybe I'm wrong. I could be totally wrong. I could have just been making that up. I was I know there's a consistory in June happening again. Yeah. Speaking of consistories, should we get into the consistory that just happened? Oh boy. Oi, oi, ve. Should we get into the consistory that just happened? Should we talk about the Cardinal Roach?

SPEAKER_09: 15:15

You want me to bring up the actual letter from him?

SPEAKER_08: 15:18

Yeah, let's bring it up. Um, so Diane Montana. Honestly, I mean, I'm not all I'm not usually uh the biggest fan of women journalists, they're usually pretty terrible.

SPEAKER_09: 15:30

I don't know how she does it. She's good. Diane Montana is the definitely better than that uh Daily Wire chick they have over there.

SPEAKER_08: 15:37

She, yeah, right. Brie Brie uh, whatever her name is.

SPEAKER_09: 15:41

Breed Brie Doll or whatever. Breedal. She uh let's see, she went after Trevor at Trident team one time and claimed he was a felon. She blocked it. Not sure how she got that info. She works for the Daily Wire. Yeah, that's true. They just make crap up.

SPEAKER_08: 15:55

I mean, she she works for the Daily Wire, she's terrible. Um, but uh yeah, so Cardinal Roach. So this consistory happens. Uh Leo says that uh the conversation is going to be uh revival, he gave like four topics, and one of those topics was liturgy. So a lot of people went into this thinking that liturgy was going to be a topic that was discussed, and then Cardinal Roach dropped this letter on the to the cardinal. Two-page letter that never get discussed.

SPEAKER_09: 16:24

Yeah, we don't have to go through this. We can go down the letter, but basically, this is they were gonna discuss four topics evangelization, the curia, the synod, and the liturgy. They and they it was only what two days long, so they only discussed two things, and of course, it was uh evangelization in the synod, and they of course didn't talk about the things that actually needed to be talked about, so um so here's here's the text.

SPEAKER_08: 16:52

Um, do we have to go through this whole thing? Um in the life of the church, the lit because it's a pretty long thing.

SPEAKER_09: 16:58

Um, the big things to point out is the only time he uh cites anything besides Vatican II is in number two, there, where he basically says uh Trent and Quo Primum are wrong, and then everything else he cites is either Vatican II. He says Trent and Quo Primum are wrong.

SPEAKER_08: 17:16

No, not really. Okay, so St. Pius V, in facing the reform of the liturgical books in observance of the mandate of the Council of Trent, was moved by the will to preserve the unity of the church in the bold quote quo primum with which was promulgated the Roman Missal, affirms that as in the church of God there is only one way of reciting the Psalms, so there ought to be only one right for celebrating the so he's using quote primum to justify traditionus custodians. Does seem that way later on, yeah. Okay, so that's one thing he and it where's the where's the um the the one everyone's talking about? Yeah, the one everybody's talking about. Um we probably should have known this before we started. Hold on, because there's um there's something here number 10 scene.

SPEAKER_09: 18:02

Okay the use of liturgical books that the council sought to reform was from JP2 to Francis a concession that in no way envisaged their promotion.

SPEAKER_08: 18:13

So basically he's saying that uh the can the the use of of the TLM was allowed, but was never ever ever meant to in any way promote it or let it grow, which flies in the face of Samoran Pontificum. Like if you just read Samoran Pontificum, Samoran Pontificum talked about mutual enrichment that that actually having these men that having them the two rites at one parish might enrich one another. And let and look, I I catch a little crap for this, but I do think in in those diocesan parishes where the Latin masses said where they do have both forms. Like, I don't I don't I it it's definitely anecdotal, like don't get it's definitely anecdotal, and it's just my particular experience. So I don't want to say this like as a broad thing because I don't know what it's like in other places, but in my particular area, there's there's something I feel more at home in those diocesan TLMs than I do at the SSPX. That's just anecdotal. I I know tons of people that go to the SSPX and they feel right at home with them, and they're beautiful communities. But my particular experience is that, and um, but I also don't have like an FSSP near me, I don't have an institute near me, so I don't know what those are like. I don't know if it's just this particular chapel. I don't know, it could be anything, but um, there is some some bit of mutual enrichment, I think, that does I would say obviously the TLM enriches the Novus Ordo.

SPEAKER_09: 19:50

The Novus Ordo, right? You see that in pairs that they do both. The Novus Ordo is far better than than your average Novus Ordo at a Novus Ordo only pair. So the literature. of the novice or is certainly enriched by by the TLM, whereas in the the TLM, it's not the liturgy that is rich because of course it cannot be enriched by correct a committee-made thing.

SPEAKER_08: 20:14

Um it's the it's the congregate congregation in a sense gets kind of uh the weirder aspects of DRADs get leveled out in some of these interesting right Rob so I I kind of want to talk about all right can we bring up your tweet actually well let's finish this paragraph and then I want to I want to go through your tweet because it's it it's it's something we kind of have to discuss.

SPEAKER_09: 20:37

Um so okay so where'd you leave off uh uh well francis while granting in accordance with traditionus the use of the 1962 missile rom uh missile romanum pointed the way to unity in the use of the liturgical books promulgated by uh Paul the sixth and jp2 um in accordance how were they promulgated by jp2 any any more so than like I don't know so but there's another part in this thing where he actually uh says I don't see how some like he he poses like this weird thing where he like doesn't understand how somebody can accept the council and talks about the ecclesiology might be later in it there's nothing no it would have to be earlier because there's not there's really not much later in it it's just quotes from Francis.

SPEAKER_08: 21:28

I'll find it I'll find it I'll find it uh because I saw um so what's his name um he actually hang on I'll get it sorry guys bear with us Joe Enders uh tweeted something about it um okay so this is what it actually says says uh concerning okay so the problematic is primarily ecclesiological I do not see how it is possible to say that one recognizes the validity of the council though it amazes me that a Catholic might presume not to do so and at the same time not accept a liturgical reform born out of the sac sacrosanctum concilium a document that expresses the reality of the liturgy intimately joining that's not just what that's just what no that's just what Joe's saying no this is this is taken from the text Rome oh this is probably from traditionus I maybe I don't know all I don't know this is from traditionis it says it says Rome August 1st 2026 no 18 this is from today it's definitely in this I'm telling you it's not in this text he took a screenshot of it look up ecclesi like ecclesiological uh the I can it's a photo yeah we're the worst we should have had this keep going all right here it's a it's a quote from Francis it's from it's from uh the desiderio desideravi yeah okay so if the liturgy is the summit toward which the activity of the church is directed and at the same time the font from which all her power flows well then we can understand what is at stake in the liturgical question it would be trivial to read the tensions unfortunately present around the celebration as a simple divergence between different tastes concerning a particular ritual form I agree with that the tensions were created by you Francis it's not a difference in tastes I I kind of agree with that statement well I agree it's not um the problematic is primarily ecclesiological I agree with that yeah I do not see how it is possible to say without one recognizes the validity of the council that I disagree with like you can recognize the validity of the council while also saying there are problems in the council create the novus ordo can we though it though it amazes me that a Catholic might presume not to do so and at the same time not accept the liturgical reform born out of the sacrosanctum conchilium because the this is so much problem this is so problematic a document that expresses the reality of the liturgy intimately joined to the vision of church vision of church not vision of the church vision of church so admirably described in Lumensium so what do they say about the the eastern rites nothing like it's just it it makes no sense because there are different rites in the church like I just think they need to make this thing by ritual yeah but they'll do the thing where they'll say the novus ordo is the Roman right and that the T I don't care what they call it Rob I just want to be left alone like I just want to be left alone get it I really just want to be left alone it's like they'll never leave it alone though because it will grow yeah they'll stomp it out it's just anybody that like had because I remember there was like all this talk of um of uh oh uh Leo's going to use synodality to s to to bring to bring the Latin mass back in and it's like man the best line Tim Gordon ever came up with was cope springs eternal or something he's like cope springs eternal because it was just cope like the idea that we're going to have restrictions loosened just give it up like let it go honestly it might be good no it won't be good I won't say that you were gonna go a little far a little far and say it might be good if they take away our diocesan TLM but you know what it kind of like separates the wheat from the chaff man he has it's like come on how much you love this mass like you think about you think back to our conversation with uh Bishop Schneider and the stories he told about going to mass as a kid and how they would it would take them the entire day they would have to travel by train and then they it would take them the entire day just to go to the mass and it had such a profound effect on him it led to his vocation and it just led to a deeper love he saw how seriously his parents took the mass and when we asked when we asked Bishop Schneider we said um is there any kind of justification for not attending mass if you have a parish where there are altar girls and you have Eucharistic ministers and we kind of laid out a lot of the liturgical issues at a Novus parish and he said no you can't miss mass you need to travel to a mass that's good like I don't care if it's eight hours away and he and you know he told us about his his experience of having to travel an entire day just to attend mass on a Sunday so you know it comes down to that but Rob bring up your tweet about um and I want to read Majarian's tweet too because Majorian put it way better than I did. But you but you started the conversation and um it is it is an interesting conversation to have um and it's going to touch on some of the stuff I'm gonna be dealing with this weekend. But the the Trad movement itself under Leo kind of just seems a little bit like kind of crushed now. So Rob said I hate to break it to everyone but the Trad movement is no longer a youth movement. It's aging it's firmly a movement of middle aged people us included obviously and it grows further and further out of touch with young people daily so uh let's let's read what Majarian said because Majarian kind of kind of encapsulated it a little a little deeper let me pull it up here give me a second so look the thing is when and I think this goes to um this this goes to us actually having experience with John Paul II and Benedict it really does because and it goes and it kind of relates to Bishop Sheen as well under under John Paul II so for a lot of a lot of the younger people or a lot of people who didn't don't remember what it was like to be Catholic on the JP2 and and Benedict like you had in hindsight you can look and point out all these problems but in the in the time you had these fierce defenders of life john paul the second spoke out against homosexuality and he talked about the how important marriage was we're gonna talk about marriage as a vocation later because John Paul II is the one who kind of elevated it to that language of you of using the word vocation for marriage. I got a question for you.

SPEAKER_09: 28:40

Yeah JP2 yeah he spoke out about against homosexuality but it was at a period in time when the majority of the culture did so as well yeah do you think in today's day and age you would be as firmly opposed to it as he was it's hard to say because I'm not sure anymore.

SPEAKER_08: 28:59

I'm not either he especially because he seemed to love the adulation of people so much that to have the youth firmly against him because of something I don't I don't know I don't it was yeah I guess the culture was still like the there was no gay marriage yet like but even Benedict like Benedict constantly talked about like the spirit of antichrist yeah but Benedict wasn't JP2 Benedict one one crap what people thought of him yeah oh he did too I think everybody does to a degree right but you're right john paul the that's a good question I don't know about john paul the second but either way like you still had this fierce defender of life you had this man speaking out against communism talking about Catholic solidarity like you you you still got documents that kind of were forceful about doctrine like moral issues you know so it was it was just a very different time uh so people that were were formed in that like even guys like Larry Chapp man like Larry Chapp is such a hermeneutic of continuity guy and he's a Vatican II guy but when Francis came along it like really broke a lot of people and they were like wait a minute this is nothing like you know and we went from we went from john paul the second to Benedict which seemed like even a ratcheting back of even the things that John Paul II did like some of the craziness on the john paul the second got ratcheted back even further by Benedict you start getting the the the Latin mass being freed and people are allowed to say look you could say what you want some more and pontificum if it wasn't for that document most people today would not have any experience of the Latin mass they wouldn't they they wouldn't they wouldn't have access to it the only places you would get it is the FSSP and the SSPX. It was Benedict who introduced your diocesan priests to this thing and it was it was the it was the trad movement that existed at the time that pushed for it they would go into these parishes and they would get a group of 20 30 people together and ask the priest to learn it and that's how samorum worked it was like if you had a group of stable believers who weren't schismatic and they just kind of wanted the beauty of the ancient right they would they would placate like not placate they would accommodate and that's kind of how this movement grew so to be formed under that we figured you were busy for your birthday Enoch we didn't want to bother your birthday dude what are you doing watching us so to have all these Catholics um be formed under that that kind of catechesis like when Francis comes along it shattered a lot of people right whereas the younger guys are coming in under Francis and I I learned this from my conversation with Catholics for rednecks the other day like he converts under Francis and he comes in and he's just so enamored with the Catholic faith that he doesn't even want to hear the negativity like to him it's like everybody that's saying a bad thing about the pope is lying and then all of a sudden he comes across under Leo ironically the the the gay pilgrimage that comes to Rome and that's what breaks him so you know it's the fact that people of that of of the that grew up under JP2 and Benedict now you get Francis and you see the Latin Mass getting get restricted those are the people that go to the Latin mass like most of the people that attend the Latin mass today are not like diehard traders that were raised trad. They're JP2 Catholics who especially during COVID when the regular parishes were being shut down or people were fiddling with their masks and dropping hosts on the ground people were like this I've had enough of this craziness. Yeah and and they were like I'm going to seek out something better and more reverent and they went and they found a Latin mass and then they fell in love with it in some ways like uh when I talked to Kevin from uh Catholic Family Podcast he's a cradle sete I was like you know I kind of feel like you in other words he's a unicorn yeah like but like I kind of feel like dude you didn't like you didn't suffer like us like you gotta you gotta put your time in in the novus or before you have to go to go to Tradland. Like you need your street cred. You if you didn't suffer through gather us in like are you really Catholic man come on how can you talk about the crisis when you've never experienced it seriously man you live that you live in a bubble you don't know you don't know what we went through uh let's bring up uh uh Patrick's tweet uh Patrick's comment uh on into oh we're doing this on the other side but yeah yeah that's gonna be on well you can't we're we're we're doing uh we're doing this on the other side because I do have we'll read it now but we'll read it obviously yeah yeah on interracial marriage ant's old tweet was right I forgot I tweeted this yeah men should strive to marry the most attractive virtuous girl they can not whether she's the same wreath as you like the groupers say plus men should strive for virtue to get the girl like that get a girl like that's not uh that's just kind of my position on it like we'll do it on the other side but like I to me your um your values and your religion far exceed what you look like like I I'm I'm I would I I look at it like especially because I know a few interracial couples and it's like the the pickings are so slim nowadays to find somebody who has actually believes the Catholic faith and takes it seriously like I think what's what your what your job is is to pass that pearl of great price on to the next generation and if you don't have someone to do that with just because you want your kids to look a certain way like that's just kind of gonna be I would say if the pickings are so slim anyways go for perfect why not well we'll get into it on the other side. I mean I'm I'm I'm open to my mind being changed on it you know I'm open to my mind being changed on it I I kind of um yeah I mean it's not like I'm talking from my own experience I married my my wife looks like my my kids my children all look like the Hitler youth I mean my kids with blonde hair blue eyes it's not it's not like I'm trying to you know what I mean I'm just saying I I see if your kids married someone that looked like them they couldn't marry someone that looked like you right oh man like I don't know I look we'll talk about it on the other side because it is a it is a controversial topic and and I have some I have some um I have some opinions on on the debate that's going to happen with with Ruslan and Joel Webbin.

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Like I don't know if Ruslan's the right guy to have that debate because Ruslan's in an interracial marriage and I think the the the topic is too close to his heart and I think when a topic is that close to your heart you take it too personally and you can't look at something objectively I think it's hilarious watching Protestants try to debate something as like niche and difficult as this when they came and get the flipping basics right like are you people nuts why don't you start with see what they were doing to Joel Webin like all these Protestants coming out and they're basically like you're dissenting from tradition like you're slow down you're descending from tradition you're not in line with all the other we're going to have to tell people that it's like they're trying to communicate from traditional Protestant what so we'll do that on the other side yeah let's bring Majarian tweet up God you get it he see so this is quote to tweeting mine he says think this is basically right most of my recent anti-trad takes and he's not he's not anti-trad in in any sense of the word but I've come from he goes to a society chapel yeah he's he's he's an SSPX guy so he's not like he and and firstly I want to make sure because I did see an SSPX guy respond to you and they were like this is not my experience at all and he gave an anecdote but what Rob is then then he then I said something he's like uh I don't want you engaging me but please disengage with me it's like it's like you were applied to my tweet a whole exactly but what but I think I think especially what Rob is talking about is kind of the um the online presentation is is definitely one angle of it and uh the propaganda isn't isn't the same like it's not working like it did on us right and that'll the intellectual um an institutional side of of of traditionalism is aged at this point and it's the same they've been saying the same stuff since since the council right like and they they refuse to engage with anything that's actually happening in our daily world that that young people have to deal with on a day to day basis they they refuse to engage with that they tell young men of pull themselves up by their bootstraps and then they go on to talk about that stupid uh Otaviani intervention it's like are you joking me that one year old kid does not need to hear a damn thing about the Otaviani invention he wants to know how to get a job how to get a wife how to have and raise kids and you're talking about this nonsense from 80 years ago are you stupid it's dude it's it's kind of like this it's like when we look at what what the what the what they did at the at the consistory right we're like dude the world is falling apart right now like things are like the the antichrist could be on the world stage right now and you guys are talking about synodality and sec and the second vatican council like what the hell world are you guys living in but there's something about like just focusing on criticizing that and just still focusing on Vatican II that's kind of doing the same thing.

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So it's like ironically the Trads are stuck in the same place that the bishops are the bishops are pushing for Vatican II and the Trads are stuck fighting against Vatican II and the younger people are like we want to talk about Jews and race it's like it's like we we want to talk about we want to talk about Jews blacks and interracial marriage I mean seriously older people are like what is going on right now if you're gonna continue to to just completely dismiss someone like Nick Fuentes so you can write your 30th book about you know the true origins of the Roman right guess what your movement's dead it's dead in the water it it's oh man um wait wait wait it's uh yeah yeah yeah so like the younger generation wants to talk about feminism interracial marriage and Jews and they're all harping on the same topics like and the thing is like I love a lot of these guys right yeah um but it's it and and the thing is we're kind of in this unique place where we were in because that stuff was awesome back in 2017 2018 when we were first learning it yeah yeah but but we're also coming from that generation of JP2 and Benedict Catholic so we're we're coming in with our preconceived notion of like like we were the Pope splainers before this period okay like when when Francis first gets elected my son did a book report and he had to do a book report on a famous on like a a a famous political figure and he did it on Pope Francis it was in like 2014 like my son was what my son's born in 05 so he was like nine years old you know and he did a book report on Pope Francis because he's a newly newly newly elected Pope and we were very Catholic and he just did a book report on Pope Francis and it was like that's where we were coming from so when we start learning about the Assisi meetings and start learning for the first time about the Fatima the Fatima visions and all that stuff like that stuff was really exciting for us but the younger guys coming in today it's a totally different conversation like completely different so all right go let's let's go through Majority's tweet um the online trad world increasingly feels like a middle aged subculture arguing about abstractions while young men are actually reacting to material conditions powered discipline and broader civilizational decline a big part of this is that we're the ones actually living inside the decline young men feel it materially we inherit the worst dating market in history we're funneled into a credential mill where college yields debt while jobs are offshore or filled by H1B labor.

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We will have to confront a housing market structure to functionally exclude us from ownership all while we are saddled with the fiscal order that demands we service debts we never consented to in institutions that will never work for us. And while this is happening it seems as though a lot of online trad space has drifted into unadulterated trad LARP, quote mining aquinas and moral posturing detached from any serious engagement with power, technology, geopolitics, etc It's a subculture that constantly talks about a prescriptive vision for civilization while avoiding the descriptive element, aka the conditions that actually determine whether one rises or falls or how to actually accomplish this supposed return to tradition. Moreover there's no real no real future oriented vision coming from that world. It's entirely retrospective.

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They'll point to the Middle Ages point to Christian or some other lost order all while there's no serious account account of how a broken debt soaked demographically collapsing spiritually hollow civilization actually moves from here to there's no strategy for obtaining power no roadmap for reversing institutional capture or plan for rebuilding conditions that could sustain families communities or faith there's essentially just Gregorian chant intros and endless pointless bickering let's pause there we'll finish the rest but like dude first off this should be a crisis article no no no Eric's too busy publishing uh articles uh you know accusing ruining our friendships Rob you retweeted the thing too I saw you no you didn't even retweet it you copied I I tweeted our our interview with e Michael Jones to E Michael Jones criticizing what Eric Sabbas posted in crisis magazine look um it's just man it's i'm I'm watching this happen in real time that's kind of fair yes right but that's that's kind of the that's kind of the point well first off yes and no like we've never really like we've always discussed these topics because first off we were learning them for the first time right but Rob and I have had a pretty good sense of like the tide changing and we were like all right it's time to switch it up a little and and to be honest for the most part like the major topics we've done on this show that have really um been like evergreen topics that I think our audience that have been around for a long time have always been the conversion of the pagan world um getting into um young earth uh theory and evolution discussing the the JQ like these are these are the topics I think our audience sticks around for like they'll sit through stuff like we're doing tonight in order to get to the gems that we do every so often when you know when when we when we decide to do a deep dive because you do have to give your audience a little bit of variety you can't do the same thing every time you have to try to appeal to a wider audience by you know every once in a while you got to talk about how Mack Matt Frad wears is wearing a yarmulca now like you just kind of have to do it because that's what everybody wants to tune into and you hope that when they catch that show you make a few funny jokes and they go I kind of like these guys and I'll check them out and and then they stick around and then they're around for one of those deep dives and you get you wind up getting a DM like we got from Fed Calderon the other day where he's like hey I was introduced to typology by listening to you guys because he started off listening to us goop around about topical things and he stuck around for some of those biblical deep dives right so that's kind of just how that's kind of just how content creation works. You have to um you it's I because I want to be careful not to say that we're doing it for the audience it's it's always kind of been I have I kind of see where the I know what I'm into like I know that I have fatigue of certain topics and I'm like I'm done talking about that like I'm even tired of talking about I didn't even want to talk about the roach thing tonight but I figured it could lead into a conversation like this right like I don't I don't actually like I don't actually we should have all expected that document from Roach. Yeah right yeah because I'm surprised by it wake up yeah like I we've we've kind of been trying to warn everybody since Leo was elected like don't expect much like he is the embodiment of the council right he's the pope but he's he's she is the embodiment of the council and in a way that he has moved the Overton window now where it kind of so francis ratchets it over and then Leo settles it in on a spot so you're not going to get any kind of return like the like like Mueller's comment Mueller was like the church of Benedict is gone and it is in a way and in a way it's not because Benedict is just as much a council guy as anyone yeah it's really just a it's really just an another like Francis was a revolutionary man. He came in and he ratcheted it so far and Leo's like I'm gonna take what he did and I'm gonna settle it in on a place where and and look it has strangely brought some kind of calm to the situation even though we don't like the calm where it's landed no I think Francis's election is similar to Trump. I I don't compare uh Leo to Trump as much as I do Francis to Trump. Like the only similarities you have between Leo and Trump is that he's an American and Trump's an American and I think that's actually a really brilliant angle that we have basically the the American empire with Trump essentially becoming Caesar at this point like the way he's operating and then you have an American pope at the same time which is basically a bishop from the Roman Empire like the new Roman Empire is now the bishop of R there's something interesting going on there. I don't know how how that plays out but the the what what uh uh what's his name Cameron O'Hearn said a couple of years back is actually kind of interesting when he I'm looking at that in a different light these days he kind of sensed it man you got to give Cameron credit because he kind of sensed hey guys I'm telling you right now trad world needs a rebrand and I kind of agreed with him at the time a little bit and everybody and I just I kind of had enough humility to go I have no business getting in this debate because I'm a new trad. But I saw what was happening I saw the purity spiraling I saw I saw what people were doing and I was like it you're pushing people away from this thing because of the way you're coming off you're talking to people who have been in the novice order their whole life and telling them they're stupid instead of telling them hey look at this beautiful thing we have over here you love you love the Catholic faith let me show you let me show you how it can get even deeper like they weren't man it's crazy because what they talked about at the consistory was like using attraction to like using beauty to attract people and that that like if the if the church was actually concerned with evangelization and especially through beauty like they talked about at this consistory because evangelization was one of the main topics they talked about and they were like we can't go through the same roads we have to look at different ways and we have to use basically an attraction model instead of um proselytization right that's what Francis was saying all along it's like that that corny fake Saint Francis quote preach the gospel use words when that's the that's the thing they're going for but if they actually cared about that I mean there is nothing more beautiful than the traditional liturgy and you could attract especially the young people now who are facing this meaning crisis and they're looking for something more transcendent but the church isn't they don't want to go backwards to that because as much as we got upset when Francis McCall is rigid and stuff Leo thinks the same thing of us yes all these guys think the same thing of us they think we're looking for some man I I think back to just some of the boomers and their conversations with me about like in in those times I remember all the catchphrases they use right with the Catholic guilt and like all these little things they would say it was like they it was like they were given magic spells and they believed them even though they don't actually like the it's like the church did these things for 17 I mean 1900 years and they worked amazingly and it's like all of a sudden this young generation in the 60s comes along they're like we could do everything better and and no matter how bad it gets they still insist like no no no we weren't wrong we weren't wrong they're doubling down doubling down doubling down but the traders are doing a similar thing exactly yeah in their reaction to it and they're they're still talking about Vatican II and like the young people don't care about Vatican II like they don't want to hear about it. They just don't care they just want to kind of be Catholic and they're trying to figure out the best way to do it and the the way to do it is kind of talk about the things that are facing them it it's it's almost like the um teal ryan had a had a good tweet in in response to majorian I think um um he said um what we what we what we really need to do is is in the trad world is teach everyone how to live a traditional catholic life learn how to live a traditional catholic like life live that traditional catholic life for the next hundred years and then when everyone involved in Vatican II is long dead and gone then let's come back and actually evaluate it objectively and figure out yeah it's just not the time yet man it's not it's not you know but the thing is I think the older Trads had this model for for how they did things and it worked really well look it worked really well from 20 I was gonna say it started working really well in 2007 and that's about it. No no no it started working really well even later well I mean I mean the media aspect not not like it started working really well in the in like the the Latin master I suppose that yeah the media yeah the the media aspect you got to think about what happens in 2015 is podcasts pop off YouTube pops off right like oh seven everybody gets their first iPhone basically yeah well it's like oh seven i got my seven it launches i got my iPhone first iPhone in 2007 or something iPhone launches and yeah yeah in 2010 I think is iPhone 4 yeah so like the YouTube isn't as mainstream nearly as main like if you got on YouTube in 2010 you're Mr. Beast at this point that's what like he started chocolate thunder is basically YouTube at that point yeah yeah so but what happens is like Taylor and Tim come like Taylor's got his podcast he's doing he's doing like mediocre he's got like 30 000 followers or something which is I mean it's more huge in you know for a lot of people but he's he's getting like steady views and then all of a sudden McCarrick breaks and Taylor starts interviewing Tim Gordon and that show exploded and and then so then everybody starts jumping on the bandwagon you get everybody jumping over to the online thing and it's like okay let me start my YouTube channel last time I saw John Henry Weston um he was telling me he's like before so he starts his YouTube channel and he said uh before COVID so so before covet he goes we could sneeze put the video up and we would get 50 000 views like that's just how it was if you were a Catholic content creator back then your stuff was blowing up then COVID hits everybody's trapped in their houses and anybody that had a YouTube channel during this time it just exploded like it people are trapped in their houses looking for stuff to watch like so all these guys that had channels during that time they're talking about this stuff and like you're facing this crisis because the Pope is hammering down first off the Pope is pushing the vaccine and it's like you're a Catholic and you're like I don't want to get this thing and the Pope is pushing it everybody's got it was just like man even like Patrick Coffin back then was interviewing people where you were just like you had to see the interview because they were the first ones speaking out against this crazy thing that the government was doing. It was just this explosion in Catholic media that was happening. And it was even breaking outside of the typical Catholic media spaces where like I think Coffin was interviewing like RFK Jr before he was even like a political candidate or anything he was just a lawyer back then and he was looking at this stuff like that's where it was at and everybody that blew up during this time assumed their growth would continue. Yeah and they just all assumed it like and Rob and I missed the boat by a year. So we missed that boat by a year. If if I if I'd have started this show in March of 2020 instead of March of 2021 our show would be gigantic 1500 subs yeah easily we'd be bigger than lofton and stuff like and we wouldn't have to buy subs um I'm kidding just as opposed to lofton not that we yeah yeah all right anyway um the our show would be much bigger we got in a little bit late to the game um and we've still managed to grow really well you know what I mean but people but the people who blew up during that time there was a huge contraction that happened maybe it's better that we didn't because we kind of came in as the as the contraction was happening people were going back to their normal lives so our hopes our expectations weren't high like that where these people that come in during that they have this model it's like Francis is coming out with some crazy ass thing every single day of his pontificate there's new news to jump on and they're doing the same thing over and over and even then Rob were sent Rob and I were sensing like I don't want to talk about this crap anymore man like I just we just didn't want to talk about this crap. So like if something major broke we would discuss it but we weren't harping on Francis every day we weren't harping on the hierarchy every day like there's there's maybe a handful of shows maybe a period of a few months but we both kind of realized it and reigned ourselves in I think reined ourselves in because it was bad for us like it just wasn't it was terrible it wasn't good for us like for yeah because this this show has always been for me a good outlet to be able to like voice anything I wanted to you know it's a it's a place for me to kind of throw jokes at there see what lands and talk about whatever's happening in the culture but like I didn't ever want to be like the show that criticizes the church like like we didn't get into doing this because we wanted to be critical of the church in fact we started like trivia yeah it was like the opposite of that it was like oh man I guess we should talk about this I guess we should talk about this so it was like yeah this is a long time listener until Joe came home with you drunk. Which Joe Joe Boca oh man I was not happy about that yeah that episode was funny um so um yeah I don't I don't know man I don't even know how we got into like this whole diatribe but it's just um wait wait wait did you ocean did you have a different name on YouTube before because I don't I don't remember seeing this YouTube handle that far back. Yeah um let's jump to super chats and I want to do Scott Adams before we go to the other side so we we already interesting we did that one yeah most trads are just wanting to seek to live a life of holiness and they are sick of the drama and just want to be left alone go to confession often and receive the Eucharist often pray the right that's that's kind of where I'm at like I don't really care like I still I still have a I still have a uh I still have my liturgy that I can go to I still have a Latin mass it's like I got a couple of options so I'm just kind of like I don't really want to provoke anyone and I I just want to be able to be Catholic. I want my kids to be Catholic and that's it when it when Anthony and I were talking in this episode largely about trads for the most part I think we were talking about like the the trad media the trad writers like we're not yeah not what yeah not your everyday yeah I'm not claiming like trads as a whole are are old boomers like the novice ordo no I get I haven't gone to the I haven't been in the novice or do in a year I've I only go to the the TLM I I know what the TLM is like guys but but yeah on the ground there's still plenty of young people there are young families they're all guys in their mid to late 20s and stuff it's definitely still i yeah what Rob's talking about is just the the the rebrand like it needs a rebrand that's essentially what we're getting at right it kind of does need a rebrand so that we could attract younger people to it again because I think it's lost its appeal the same the appeal that worked in 2020 doesn't work now is what I'm saying. Yeah right like whatever we're not saying the traditional faith needs a rebrand correct it's it's just the presentation from guys who are in the space that we're in we need to we need to rebrand this thing because it's not attractive to people are looking at trads like they're they think they're holier than thou they think that and a lot of it has to do with setays like sets are really you know they're they're they're a bit much and people people associate all trads with sets and yeah it's like there it is it is a difficult thing to try to like present this thing as something beautiful that's changed my life I mean it's changed my life I want that's the thing like I want the traditional movement to stay alive like I very much care about it. So um wow man you guys are killing us with the super chats I want to get to Scott Adams and then go to locals. As a single Catholic it's difficult finding a Catholic lady who didn't get the job uh get the jab it's crazy how many Catholics took it it's a total deal breaker shows how easy one can be I have a opinion many people may not like on this this one if I was a Catholic guy I don't know if I would necessarily want a woman who okay because think of it this way all of society right everyone in authority probably her own father was at that time telling every you know everyone to get to jail a woman could ideally submit to that kind of thing and it's her body

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Especially if our father's not want a rebellious woman who who would you know under no set who who said no to everyone in authority over her. And you're right about the deceived part. You you are right. Like everyone, you know, you don't want a woman that can necessarily be deceived easily either, but read Genesis. It seems to kind of be in their nature. I mean, no offense, ladies, but um, yeah, I don't know if that would be a deal breaker for me.

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So personally, they they they just want to keep us on YouTube all night. If they're gonna pay us for it, I mean, yeah, we'll do it. We'll do we'll still do locals, don't worry. Taking my daughter to New York City end of January, TLM recommendations in Manhattan, we'll be there for a long weekend. I would say, I mean, uh Holy Innocence, and if they have any at uh St. Vincent Ferrare, like if you can find one at St. Vincent Ferrare, which they do do them. Uh, we actually caught one last Saturday when we were there, and it they are spectacular. So check, but they're typically they do like a Benedictine Latin novus ordo there or something. But holy innocence is like clockwork, they do a 6 p.m. daily, they do a 9 a.m. and a 9:30. I'm sorry, a 9 a.m. low mass on Sunday and a 10:30 high mass on Sunday. Those are confession like four times a day, every day of the week. Uh six years ago uh wasn't a long time ago, but it was a long time ago, and this decade is really been a dramatic half of freaking decade. Times are shaking up. Man, I can't believe it's 2026. I can't believe before COVID I was in my 30s. Like I was I was 39 when COVID hit. No, 37 when COVID hit or something, right? Yeah, 37 when COVID hit.

SPEAKER_09: 1:01:41

You're mid-40s almost.

SPEAKER_08: 1:01:43

Yeah, I'm 43. So I was next. Uh stop giving me money. I want to talk more about it.

SPEAKER_09: 1:01:54

The next one is along those lines, too.

SPEAKER_08: 1:01:56

Keep yapping here, funny Long Island man. All right, I'll keep going. You guys want to keep giving me money? Oh, that's it. They want to sustain, they gotta throw some more in people becoming members telling us to go to locals. Go to locals. Um, I do want to do Scott Adams before we go. Okay, let's do Scott Adams before we go because uh man, what an interesting case of everybody coming out and saying, Praise God, Scott Adams converted.

SPEAKER_09: 1:02:23

Oh yeah, I'm you don't look a day over 50, and he doesn't sound a day over 75.

SPEAKER_08: 1:02:31

Yeah, I do have a gravelly voice. I'll give you guys that. I quit smoking, I'm hoping that goes away a little bit.

SPEAKER_09: 1:02:36

I don't know if that regenerates necessarily.

SPEAKER_08: 1:02:39

I hope it does because I like the first off. If you hear me coughing a lot, it's because I'm like there's so much crap coming out of my lungs right now because I haven't had a cigarette in a week. But um, Scott Adams. Um uh can we bring his his thing up? I put it in the telegram. So everybody was kind of um really, really happy that Scott Adams seems to have converted on his deathbed. Uh, I saw pretty much every um social media influencer raving about it. I have a little bit more of a negative view on it. Can you make that bigger?

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Give me a second.

SPEAKER_09: 1:03:25

Hold on, let me take this off and open it.

SPEAKER_06: 1:03:27

I might be able to just read it for my phone.

SPEAKER_09: 1:03:29

No, I can make it bigger.

SPEAKER_08: 1:03:35

Okay, let me okay. So final message, final message from Scott Adams. If you are reading this, things did not go well for me. I have a few things to say before I go. My body failed before my brain. I am of sound mind as I write this. If you wonder about any of my choices, it goes through that. So now, next, many of my Christian friends have asked me to find Jesus before I go. I'm not a believer, but I have to admit the risk-reward calculation for doing so looks attractive. So here I go. I accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, and I look forward to spending an eternity with him. The part about me not being a believer should be quickly resolved if I wake up in heaven. I won't need any more convincing than that. And I hope I'm still qualified for entry. With your permission, I'd like to explain something about my life. So that's all right. So everybody's raving that Scott's last word with his dying breath, he he professed faith in Jesus Christ. That's a good thel. Yes, so that wasn't his dying breath, first off. Um, the the thing is well, well, that that's it did make me think of that, right?

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Yeah, well, here's the thing I have more faith that Constantine actually meant it, and not just meant it, he had a valid baptism, and he did a hell of a lot more for the church when he was alive, yeah.

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Um, and the thing is my issue with it is that Protestants have put out this silly notion that we are saved by a set of magic words. 100% Pelagianism. The the solar scriptura people have come up with a phrase that's not even in the Bible and made people think that if you just say these magic words, you're going to heaven, and it is so insane. It's not the same as because somebody did say, um, it's like when Augustine said, Lord, I believe, help my unbelief. And maybe there's a hint of that, and like maybe there's a hint of like I think I think people were really reaching with that one. Yeah. The thing is, I don't think it's good to go out professing that Scott Adams had a deathbed conversion when that's the statement he put out. Plus, it's it's better to tell people do not do what Scott Adams did, because there are no real atheists in the Fox. Like, you don't want to wait until you're on your deathbed to start pondering life's most important question. Where did I come from? And was I created for a purpose? Like that that is the fundamental question. Is there a God? And if so, why did he create me? And that the reality is he created you as a wedding gift for his son. Like that's actually that's actually the answer to that question. You were created as a wedding gift for his for for his son. Like that's actually why you were created.

SPEAKER_09: 1:06:23

Plus, I mean, it's I mean, as far as looking at this from a Catholic perspective, though, if he wasn't baptized, it doesn't matter what the hell is that.

SPEAKER_08: 1:06:34

And then and then and then people were telling me, Well, what about baptism of desire? It's like this guy had plenty of time to get baptized.

SPEAKER_09: 1:06:40

There's no baptism of desire going on. I'm sorry, there's nothing in there that shows me he wanted to be baptized.

SPEAKER_08: 1:06:45

Now, another angle of this that is uh interesting is that like the lack of okay, so I was telling Rob this in the green room, like the reason Catholics, the reason the Catholics in America will outlast the Protestants is a big part of that is the Sunday obligation. Because where we're heading now is the online church thing, right? So, like all these Protestants have these online ministries and plant and like a lot of Protestants think that is a substitute for church. Correct. Yeah, so uh for the people that are that are wait for the people that are listening. Let me read that.

SPEAKER_09: 1:07:24

But baptism of desire only comes with true desire and perfect contrition for one sins. He doesn't seem sorry for anything. I think Crash Canon said baptism of desire is essentially really for martyrs who can't be baptized before they're killed, like it's meant for catechumens who were killed before they weren't had a chance to get baptized yet, but something happened in the while they were in.

SPEAKER_08: 1:07:46

But this is also why the church has this catechumen period where you go through a year. It's the same thing with that that uh Lily Phillips chick who just goes and gets baptized. She's like, Well, I haven't changed anything I do, I just went and got baptized. It's like the there like the idea that you could just baptize anybody is crazy. You you have to make sure they're formed in the faith, or they have parents who are going to raise them in the faith. Otherwise, you're actually just helping damn them further. Yes, because you're making them an apostate, right? So I do know somebody who baptized a baby that wasn't Catholic, and I'm like, that's insane. Like, don't ever do that.

SPEAKER_09: 1:08:20

You're you're basically unless they are in imminent danger of death, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:08:24

Do not do that. Um, so um, yeah, it's like um the Scott Adams thing is interesting because of the online like people are replacing real community with online community, and that's a major problem in Protestantism, like especially after COVID. Like a lot of people stopped going to church during COVID and they just never went back, right? The the the question I had for you was like, if we didn't have a Sunday obligation as Catholics, do you think you would go to mass as frequently or do you think you would miss a little more frequently without a Sunday obligation?

SPEAKER_09: 1:09:04

Uh I mean that that's gonna depend. Uh with a two-hour drive to a Latin mass with no Sunday obligation, they wouldn't be going to the local Novus Ordo on days I I couldn't make it to the TLM.

SPEAKER_08: 1:09:25

I saw Paul posted something today, and I and I typically I'll check out I'll check out Paul, but I kind of do get some of the he's constantly talking about these parasocial relationships, and he's always talking about how like people have replaced real connection with the online stuff, you know. So I'm I'm definitely influenced by Paul. So I, you know, it's one of those one of the one of one of the people who've influenced my thought on this. Like, like Scott doesn't have a church, like he didn't have a pastor come to him or a priest come to him. There was no last rites given. And and for, you know, like I don't know. Only God, we we can't we can't begin to God's mercy. Yeah, I'm not gonna say he's like damned, but you absolutely should pray for his saved. No, you should that's the point, right? You should pray for his soul, you should pray for his soul is the point. Like, assume he's going to purgatory.

SPEAKER_09: 1:10:30

Uh at best. I will not assume that. Oh, hope.

SPEAKER_08: 1:10:34

I will dare we hope women go to purgatory. Um, so Fed, our our resident Protestant. That's true. Protestant pastors, in an effort not to offend people, tell us being in church in person is good, but not required. The lack of a sense of obligation, as in Christ requires us to be in church, feeds the flesh, and people see it as optional. It's it's very important to have it's not just good to have community, like man, this is gonna get into the this is gonna get into the Joel Webbin stuff because I'm watching Protestants telling him you separated yourself from the visible church. I'm like, what? What are you people saying? You people sound like you're Catholic right now. What are you talking about? Separated himself from the visible church. I thought the church was made up of a body of invisible believers who just like-minded believers, and the church is not visible like that. Like the wackiness that you hear come out of evangelicalism sometimes, you're just like, Man, you guys, you guys have to maintain a steady position. But pray for Scott Adams. I like Scott Adams has he's done a lot of good for a lot of people. I saw um uh a Catholic account creation two four-seven or something, talking about how like listening to Scott in 2016 actually made him change his his perspective on business and everything. Like Scott taught him about like persuasion, and then the guy was able to you know get his ass in gear to start his own business and stuff. Like Scott did a lot of good in the natural order.

SPEAKER_09: 1:12:01

I never listened to him. I all I know is he did the Dilbert thing. Maybe that's why it's easy for me to say, like, all evidence shows he's as likely in hell as in heaven. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_08: 1:12:14

Yeah, I don't know. I have no connection guy, I won't presume to know God's mercy. I won't presume to know if Scott actually had repentance. That was my main issue, is that it he's like he said the magic words, but it wasn't like I've I am I am depending on Christ for mercy for the wicked things I've done in my life or anything, you know what I mean? It wasn't it wasn't that because people were throwing the the thief on the cross at me, and it's like thief on the cross is like I deserve to be here. Like, please, Lord, remember me when you come in, you're king. Like, he repents on the cross, he's he's punished for his sins. I mean, there's a list of things I could tell you. Plus, he had our lady praying for him at the foot of his cross, we all know. Uh, so all right, we're going to jump over to locals now, and I want to talk about the the Protestant schism going on, and I want to talk to you guys about my my weekend that I have coming up.

SPEAKER_09: 1:13:05

That uh what hold on before we go. Maddie would kill me if I don't get him and Iggy in here just for you.

SPEAKER_08: 1:13:13

You want to do it on here or on locals?

SPEAKER_09: 1:13:15

Uh Maddie wants to be able to see it on YouTube. Okay, bring him in because he was on YouTube on Guns N' Rosaries last night. Uh give me a second, I'll tell him, tell him to tell you. I'll go through comments.

SPEAKER_08: 1:13:30

Um let's see. Um, I attend a Latin Novusordo and at an FSP parish once a month, three-hour drive. I have an SSPX chapel that is closer than both of those, and I'm genuinely not sure if I should attend there. I'm in a similar situation. I have a I have a society chapel, it's very close. Okay, but you're not sure you you it's not that I'm not sure if I should go. I you just prefer not to. I choose to go to the diocesan, so um right. Let's see.

SPEAKER_09: 1:14:04

I would personally if I yeah, if I had an SSPX chapel as far as my diocesan TLM, I would go to the SSPX every week. Not to not even to say if it was closer than everything else. If it was closer than everything else, of course I would, but you frozen.

SPEAKER_08: 1:14:28

No, no, no, no. I'm looking at comments. So Scott Scott pulled it. I'm not used to you know, I used to be being quiet. No, quieter still. Scott pulled a doubting Thomas. I guess I'll believe when I see heaven. I don't know if that's even man, it would just seem like a magic formula to me. That's what kind of took me aback. It was like it was like, well, I said the magic words, and that's kind of how how it is presented in the mainstream evangelical circles nowadays. Now they'll tell you that's not like I've seen plenty of Protestants call this out, but like I that is essentially what they have promoted over the years as saying, accept Jesus as have you accepted Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. So Scott's like, okay, I accept Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior. He does he does Pascal's wager. He's like, Well, I'm hedging my bet. That's essentially what he said. I'm hedging my bet. Like the odds, the uh you know, all I gotta do is say this magic formula and possibly get eternity with Jesus Christ instead of nothing in his mind, like he thinks it's either Jesus Christ or he doesn't even believe there's going to be eternal torment. Yeah, Pascal's wager. That's how I read that when I first because he started talking about this like a week or two ago.

SPEAKER_09: 1:15:42

The thing is, it's it really isn't though, because Pascal's wager was if I live my life as a faithful Catholic, yeah, I will be saved, you know. Yeah, and he would Blaise Pascal was a very faithful Catholic. To the point was he was closely uh tied in with the with a very radical traditionalist in a sense sect called Jansenism, but still. Not that Jansen really wasn't traditional guys, don't get pissed off at that.

SPEAKER_08: 1:16:15

But how's how's Iggy doing? Is he coming?

SPEAKER_09: 1:16:18

Uh, I haven't heard we can go over to locals, it will be fine.

SPEAKER_08: 1:16:21

All right, yeah, let's let's hit locals. We'll bring him on over there. You can just show show Maddie the clip from locals.

SPEAKER_09: 1:16:28

Um let me get the link in the comments for everyone.

SPEAKER_08: 1:16:39

Yeah, so if you guys aren't locals members, that's uh that's usually where we uh we have a little more fun. If you guys can like and subscribe, if you guys aren't, that would help. Always helps the channel. Like and subscribe. And there are still spots left on the Italy pilgrimage. Uh, if anybody's interested, email me at anthony at avoidingbabylon.com and join our locals. That's where we uh where we have all our fun.

SPEAKER_09: 1:17:05

Do I have any fun videos to play?

SPEAKER_08: 1:17:08

All right, everybody get in the locals chat going over. You're supposed to have one of these on, like ready to go.

SPEAKER_09: 1:17:17

I mean uh you've all heard it a few times, but we'll do this one.

SPEAKER_07: 1:17:23

Come to the peace of heaven and earth. Come to the table of entire.

SPEAKER_06: 1:18:09

Come to the table of land.

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God will provide for all that we need here at the table of land.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:18:35

Should be all good. That was a funny one. This is what's hearing in heaven right now.

SPEAKER_09: 1:18:40

Oh no, it didn't say heaven. This is just what's God's hearing right now. Take it as you will, but it did not say heaven.

SPEAKER_08: 1:18:52

Um, so crap. Um, so I have to listen to this lineup. I have to, I don't know if I'm even supposed to talk about this, but I'll do it over here.

SPEAKER_09: 1:19:05

Um I'm let me click the private button first. Hold on, hold on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, please. Okay, it's gonna we have a minute until it actually becomes private. So say whatever you can say publicly for the next minute.

SPEAKER_08: 1:19:20

I'm yawning just because listen, my ride home is brutal. Um driving home from Stanley. Oh, here he is.

SPEAKER_09: 1:19:31

Okay, hold on. Who wants to talk to Anthony first? Okay. Let me put the headphones on you. Well, we're live. Okay. What did you say?

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:56

What did you say? No, Naddie is daddy.

SPEAKER_08: 1:20:00

Maddie Oh yeah? Maddie Maddie's talking.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:03

Well I really well Natty really wanted me in deal.

SPEAKER_08: 1:20:08

Maddie really wanted you in the video. How is baby bash doing? He's doing good?

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_08: 1:20:16

Are you being a good big brother?

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_08: 1:20:19

Oh, that's good.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:21

Mummy comes down how to roll at me.

SPEAKER_08: 1:20:24

He doesn't have to yell at you. That's very good. Did you get good presents for Christmas?

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:39

Yes. Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:20:42

That's good.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:43

Well, how I can hear you.

SPEAKER_08: 1:20:46

You can hear me?

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:48

How about how I can hear you?

SPEAKER_08: 1:20:51

It's on your headphones. You hear the headphones?

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:54

No. Well, do you have one piece?

SPEAKER_08: 1:21:00

I do have one of these. Look, it's right here. See?

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:07

You can hear me because I have a microphone. And I don't know how to do that.

SPEAKER_08: 1:21:16

You're gonna do what daddy does one day? Okay, are you almost done?

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:21

No, I am not done.

SPEAKER_08: 1:21:23

He's not done. This kid talks more than Rob.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:27

I write your dog.

SPEAKER_06: 1:21:30

I think I found a good co-host.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:32

I write your flat dog.

SPEAKER_09: 1:21:34

Do you want to show Anthony how good you're getting at praying the uh prayer before meals? Do you wanna pray it with me for him? In the name of the Father. Bless us, so Lord.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:50

I don't need help.

SPEAKER_09: 1:21:51

Okay, you don't need help?

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:52

Okay, say word.

SPEAKER_09: 1:21:55

These thy gifts, these we are about to receive.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:58

We bought with thee from thy bounty and thy bounty through Christ our Lord.

SPEAKER_09: 1:22:03

Amen.

SPEAKER_03: 1:22:03

There you go, amen.

SPEAKER_09: 1:22:05

In the name of the Father.

SPEAKER_08: 1:22:08

Good job, Biggie. Very proud of you.

SPEAKER_03: 1:22:12

No, I am all done.

SPEAKER_09: 1:22:14

All right. Your turn, Maddie, for a minute. Not too long. Just a little while. You were on last night. Okay, go talk.

SPEAKER_08: 1:22:27

Hi. All right, Matty. Hi, Maddie. Maddie, tell daddy, tell daddy you're the new co-host, and he has to leave.

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:35

Get out of here.

SPEAKER_08: 1:22:37

Say, say daddy, I'm the new boss now.

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:40

Yeah. I owe this channel.

SPEAKER_05: 1:22:46

The curtain falling down.

SPEAKER_08: 1:22:50

Say Dad, Anthony, say dad, Anthony said I talk more than you.

SPEAKER_05: 1:22:55

Yeah. This is my channel now.

SPEAKER_09: 1:22:59

Okay, you're done.

SPEAKER_05: 1:23:02

This is my channel.

SPEAKER_09: 1:23:04

Say goodbye now. Say goodbye.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:16

No, I want you here on hand. I want you here and the e I go uh I got Maddie.

SPEAKER_08: 1:23:24

Tell Daddy you're the new coach.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:26

I want you here and the E.

SPEAKER_09: 1:23:28

Okay. Say goodbye. Hear him and then say goodbye. All right. Bye, buddy. See you later. Okay, sorry everyone. No, it's all right.

SPEAKER_08: 1:23:45

Okay, so I have to go this this weekend, and they they they flew me in late, and I think they flew me in late because um I think Father Altman is speaking before I get there. And I don't I don't know. Have I said things that Father Altman might have heard? I'm trying to think. Like, is it possible I've said things about him that he caught wind of, and maybe that's why?

SPEAKER_09: 1:24:13

Yeah, we we said the whole uh Father Wick's character was Father Altman. But that wasn't that bad, right? I don't, I mean, I I'm I'm basically like you said how you had to walk out of the room at the canceled priest conference because you couldn't see what he was saying, and he was rude to me when I met him.

SPEAKER_08: 1:24:29

Yeah, you said that too. I'm wondering if those things got back to him. So they they basically they're having me come in like Friday night and he's speaking that afternoon, and then the next day after you miss Casey, yes, Paul says, Oh, yeah, you have.

SPEAKER_09: 1:24:48

Uh I'm going definitely.

SPEAKER_08: 1:24:51

I if I go there and he and he like tries to alpha me, he's gonna lose. I was gonna be like, bro, you were such a dick the last time I saw you. Like you blame me for saying things about you, you were the rudest guy ever to me. Um, and then uh the next day is opening up with like so it says we have alluded to his uh quote unquote issues. The next day, like the opening the opening keynote is like vegano, like that's the kind of thing I'm going to. Like, I'm going to like some underground thing. Now, I think they want me to talk about like how to reach the younger generation, and they have me speaking at lunch. So, like, I I was going to go in and uh talk about some heavy stuff, and I'm like, but um, I think they what they have me coming in as like the light lunch entertainment, and I'm going to basically walk in like, hey guys, I'm here to make everybody laugh. Let's talk about the Jews. Like, what am I going to say? Like, because I should talk about like I should know what you need to do.

SPEAKER_09: 1:26:09

What bring Majorian with you and have him give the talk about the trends?

SPEAKER_08: 1:26:16

Oh man. No, but I should I could read his tweet. Yeah. Because you you said I should be real with them, right? Like, I should just kind of be real. Like, maybe I should talk about the it's like Altman.

SPEAKER_09: 1:26:31

No one under the age of 50 gives a damn. Vegano, no one under the age of 50 gives a damn.

SPEAKER_08: 1:26:36

Well, I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_09: 1:26:38

Um, no one under the age of 40.

SPEAKER_08: 1:26:40

There, I don't also I don't want to. Um, I think that I think that the they're I'm going to go to this, and I think they're still going to like they're going to talk about the crisis in the church, but I still think they're going to ignore the elephant in the room. Like, they'll talk about the deep state and they'll talk about right, like deep state infiltration, but they won't talk about the Jews. Like, they won't. Like, that's kind of the elephant in the room. So I'm wondering if I should talk about that, but I don't know. Like, I don't know how you do that as a lunch presentation, you know. So maybe I do just go in. I think I so I didn't even plan a talk. I think I might just go Friday, feel everybody out, see what, see, see what the other talks are, and and then maybe just tell a few jokes and then get into um I I know they want me to talk about like how to reach the younger generation, but maybe I just show them. Like do an episode of the show live, essentially. You know what I mean? Like, like, and then at the end of it, say, look, I was supposed to come in and talk to you guys about like how to reach the younger generation, but what I actually just did there is actually how you reach them. Like striving for authenticity, they're they're kind of they're they're getting away from the hard-hitting reporting from the guy in the suit who has the PhD.

SPEAKER_09: 1:28:01

They just are like especially when that hard-hitting reporting it besides.

SPEAKER_08: 1:28:08

Besides Hitchborne, because I love Hitchborne.

SPEAKER_09: 1:28:11

I'm just saying, besides him, that hard-hitting reporting is usually some crazy prophecy from Father Michelle Rodriguez or something.

SPEAKER_08: 1:28:19

Yeah, I think that that stuff's kind of ran its course, right? Like, not for the not for these people you're talking to. All right, I'm not trying to.

SPEAKER_09: 1:28:34

I know it's awesome. What you need to do is when you no, here's the thing.

SPEAKER_08: 1:28:38

I actually like these people, and I go and meet these people, you're like, I'm not going to that damn thing, so I'll say whatever the hell I want.

SPEAKER_09: 1:28:46

You're not wrong at all. You need to do is like when you get up there, we're like, uh, I need a volunteer from the audience, I need someone to say no to everything I say and tell me I'm wrong. Yeah, that'll be an actual episode.

SPEAKER_08: 1:28:58

That'll be an actual episode of the show. Uh yeah, I I I don't actually know what I'm going to talk about because like part of me wants to go there and get into the golden thread in Genesis and like kind of take them through the stuff we did during Advent, but that's too heavy for lunch talk. Like, they're gonna be eating, you know. Like, I don't I don't know if that's that's the right way to go about that. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I'll tell the story about bombing at my brother's wedding. That's always a fun story to open up with.

SPEAKER_09: 1:29:34

Yeah, but that's the isn't that what you open up the canceled priest conference with?

SPEAKER_08: 1:29:37

No, no, no. I opened up the canceled priest conference making fun of uh Eric Salmons. No, my joke at the my cancel, my joke at the canceled priest conference. Eric spoke right before me.

SPEAKER_09: 1:29:46

You know, you you know you should this is how you should open. Um you'd be like, I uh I see you all uh asked me here today to talk about how to talk to Gen Z. So at least now we know why Eric Salmons isn't up here talking to you. No, not doing that.

SPEAKER_08: 1:30:02

My joke at the canceled priest conference was uh Eric spoke right before me, and I kind of just came up with this one off the off the cuff. I was like, we all owe a debt of gratitude to Eric Salmons. Thank you for all your work you've done. Eric's been in the trad movement ever since he witnessed the miracle of the sun in 1917. That was that was my joke about Eric Salmons, just basically calling him old. Um, yeah, so it's good. I I have to figure that out. And I don't know if it's recorded, like I don't know if I'll be able to let you guys see the talk after. Or I really have no idea. I don't even know how big the group is that I'm speaking in front of and stuff. I don't know. We'll see how it goes.

SPEAKER_09: 1:30:39

But um, all right, let's get into the like you said, feel them on a Friday. Yeah, and if you feel like there's no chance any of them is gonna be a big donor for us, just score the blazing man.

SPEAKER_08: 1:30:51

Score stars, yeah. Just go in and just 100%, just go home with no friends, yeah. Just go home with absolutely no allies, no friends, nothing. I'm going to see if I can get because I have a few friends that'll be in the audience. I'll see if I can maybe get one of them to record it. We'll see. Um, all right, so let's do the Protestant thing, man, because these guys are nuts. Um let's see. Uh, I sent it to local uh to the telegram. What are they saying?

SPEAKER_09: 1:31:33

I don't even say what I'm thinking, but they said something that you know what we gotta do, you know what we actually gotta do?

SPEAKER_08: 1:31:37

Forget it.

SPEAKER_09: 1:31:38

Ask them how how many meals do you think were cooked today? Now, times that we're at equals six million and divide that by the number of oven.

SPEAKER_08: 1:31:48

Should I do the cookie joke? Should I do the Nick Quenta's cookie joke? Um, no, Rob, instead of the Protestant thing yet, let's do the uh the controversy about the Indian woman extraordinary minister. And then that will lead into because there's a lot wrong with this video.

SPEAKER_09: 1:32:11

I I still have I have not watched it yet. You haven't watched it?

SPEAKER_08: 1:32:15

It there's a lot wrong with this video, and I I don't know what I don't I uh I don't know what the guy was going for, but I don't even like the way people are reacting to it and stuff. Like, there's two people taking two sides. It's very like my my my my spot on it is gonna be a little different, I think.

SPEAKER_10: 1:32:31

Okay, well wait, wait.

SPEAKER_09: 1:32:35

Why is that playing to my hold on? I hear it. Yeah, I know, but it's playing to my speakers, monitor speakers and not my headphones. Give me one second. I don't want there to be an echo here. Mike was supposed to change the sound setting somehow while they were here.

SPEAKER_10: 1:32:52

I did a bad thing in church today. I refused to uh receive the Eucharist from an Indian woman. I was supposed to go to her, she was in my aisle, but across the church was the white priest. So I walked across to all the pews and received it from him for fear that I might get fecal matter on my Eucharist receiving it from an Indian woman. Plus, I'm not going to receive it from anyone who's non-white. Sorry. Uh what's uh considering what's happening in the US and and in the world, uh, with our replacement, I'm not I'm not doing that. I guess I'll go confess this to my priest, but uh I'll continue doing it. That's the compromise, dude.

SPEAKER_09: 1:33:30

You're some beta cuck who only had two kids to begin with. What the hell are you doing talking about white replacement? Plus, this is probably the only time you've ever not received, no matter how many mortal sins you've committed your entire life, so shut up.

SPEAKER_08: 1:33:44

Talking about um confessing something that he plans on doing again. Um, the thing is, like, I I like I'm just talking to you guys. I I want to just like we have to be really careful not to just become totally callous and yeah, and like desensitized, man. Like, first off, you should he should avoid her because she's an extraordinary minister, yeah. Totally fine with that, or or a woman. I mean, I get that, but yes, either one of those. The thing is, what does he do if he gets an Indian priest? Like, do you not receive communion because you got because I've I've gone to a hundred parishes where they have Indian priests now, and the thing I said last time on this was they went through like they did all these liturgical changes to put the mass in the vernacular, only to put an Indian priest at your parish, you can't understand a damn word he says anyway. I mean, that's actually what happened, right? But like what the the discourse that's going on online, especially over the race question, especially over interracial marriage, all this stuff. Like, I because I do see the like I do see the the point some of these guys are making about interracial marriage. It's like you you do want to have somebody who has your culture, you do. But I know I know a lot of people who are in interracial marriage, and I don't mean black and white, even necessarily, like Paul's Indian and his wife is white. I know um I know several people in that situation, and they're doing the best they can because they met somebody Catholic. And I do think like the it should be Catholic should be your first priority. But I do think there are challenges to an interracial marriage, like there just are.

SPEAKER_09: 1:35:25

I think if if I think there's anyone who's anyone who won't admit that it's not ideal is lying to themselves.

SPEAKER_08: 1:35:33

Well, look at like Ryan Katsu Rivera, he's Japanese and Puerto Rican, he married a white girl, they have one of the most beautiful families I've ever seen. Okay, but he's also like one of the whitest people I know. Well, he he's culturally white for sure, like culturally white, so there's not a drastic cultural difference, right? So I I see that, but um, there's identity issues that do come up, um, especially when you're dealing with black and white, like forget, forget because like I almost think like um, because I know a lot of um like like um Spanish or South American guys who marry white girls and stuff, and it's like it's not they're coming from a Catholic culture, it's not like totally different, but when you're dealing with a white guy and a and a black girl, the kid comes like the kids that come from that, like there are identity issues where because I've seen it where um mixed kids don't know if they're black or white, and they don't know like oh yeah, for sure, you know what I mean? Like they don't know if they're black or white, and they end up typically siding with the black side and taking black culture on, and then they see themselves as victims and anything and everything, and like that's dangerous stuff, and and a lot of it is going to depend on the parenting, though. Like, if if the parenting is good, you can avoid a lot of that, you know. So I it's like, but my my my point really is about not getting so calloused by these conversations that are happening online, like because they are like pretty vicious, and you're talking like well, like Fuentes is a guy who's never planning on getting married, like he's not going to get married, so he can say whatever the hell he wants, but the reality of the situation is not always like that. Like, if you meet if you're a white guy and you meet a Spanish chick and she's Catholic and she takes her faith seriously, and she's going to be the Spanish or white, not Spanish, Spanish, I mean like Mexican or like you know, Honduran or something. Like, if you if you meet a brown girl and she's submissive, like I'm sorry, you should you should not pass that up because you're the oh for one, so that your kids look like it. Like that's not my first priority, man. It's just not, and I don't want I don't want the people that listen to uh, I don't want to egg the people on listening to us to think like we're these racial purists or something. Like I it's just that's that's kind of not it's not the world, it's not the country we live in at this point either. It's like your kids are going to be around kids of different ethnicities, and they may and they meet they may meet somebody who fits all the criteria, but they're you know not German or Irish or Italian, and I don't know.

SPEAKER_09: 1:38:05

My kids have to deal with all the Finlanders up here, it's terrible.

SPEAKER_08: 1:38:08

Yeah, um it's just uh it's a look. I I'm not I'm not trying to downplay the difficulties. I know there are difficulties. I and I kind of understand what Joel Webin's saying. He's saying, look, I'm not saying it's not a sin. I mean, he's not saying it's sinful, he's saying that it's not ideal, and I kind of see that perspective. It's like it's not ideal, right? You'd rather have a better matchup, but look, listen to the E. Michael Jones stuff that everybody keeps flipping out on him for. There's something that he says that's actually accurate, right? In that my all right, so my mom's mom was Irish, my dad's mom was German, both of my grandfathers are 100% Italian. Their kids, like my dad, retains that Italian identity. My dad still speaks a little bit of Italian. By the time it gets to me, I still have some of that Catholic identity, I mean that Italian identity, but I also don't know anybody beyond my great-grandfather. So now my ancestry becomes Catholicism. Like my ancestry are the saints. I don't know my family bloodline. It's not like I'm like Italian family after Italian family, and I know what line I come from. I have Irish blood in me, I have German blood in me. My children do not have any retention of their Italian heritage in them. Like they don't look Italian, they don't, my son doesn't talk like me. Yeah, but you'd never know, they're just American.

SPEAKER_09: 1:39:30

That is, I would say that is something that is inherently wrong with America.

SPEAKER_08: 1:39:36

Okay, but it is reality, and and and emails. It is the reality of America. Like once once you start mixing the Germans and Irish, or once you start mixing Italian and Irish, you're losing your coaches.

SPEAKER_09: 1:39:49

But you do have to understand that that mixing Italian, Irish, and German is a far cry than mixing any or all of a mix of that those three with someone from the subcontinent. Continent. Of course.

SPEAKER_08: 1:40:01

Of course. And that's why I'm saying, like, look, let's put it this way like, my wife is uh German Italian. My wife's dad is 100% Italian.

SPEAKER_09: 1:40:11

First off, you got to stop something Italian. Italian's not an ethnic. Oh, stop it. You know what I mean? No, I'm serious. You know what I mean? Is your wife's family northern Italian? Because if so, they're Germanic, just like her German side.

SPEAKER_08: 1:40:23

Well, my I think my family is your Sicilian. I'm Sicilian. My wife's family's not Sicilian. They're like from Naples or something. They're more northern. Basically, Sicilian. Yeah, so whatever. I don't know. They're from more northern Italy. I don't know. I don't honestly don't know. I don't know. But my wife retains some of that Catholic, uh, some of that Italian heritage, too. Like, she the food we cook is Italian food. Like, that's like like my house, like the biggest thing my wife makes is sauce and you know, meatballs and things like that. Like that, that is retained. But my kids, I don't know what's going to happen. Like, they're a fourth generation, and I don't think they're going to retain that identity at all. And I think that's what EMJ is basically saying. He's saying we shouldn't we shouldn't group into white and black, we should group into Italian. I mean, we should group into Catholic, Protestant, and okay.

SPEAKER_09: 1:41:12

But what but then what he's saying seems to find the face of reality because here in America, all the European ethnicities have mixed and have created a race of generic white people, white people, right?

SPEAKER_08: 1:41:25

So but he's saying we shouldn't identify as white, he's saying we should identify as Catholic, and I kind of once again the reality is most aren't Catholic. But but he's saying us Catholics should identify like my identity is more but but my identity as a as a German English uh Catholic it's far different than the idea the than the identity of a of an in of an Indian Catholic of the Cyril Malabar, right?

SPEAKER_09: 1:41:52

Yeah, and to pretend other pretend like we're both Catholic and the exact you know we're both the exact same is ridiculous and stupid.

SPEAKER_08: 1:42:01

Um yeah, I I still kind of see what he's saying, though. Like I just kind of see what where he's going with this and what he's saying, how it's going to play out. And the thing is, if you look at Protestantism in America, like it's kind of how racism begins, the idea of like black and white, and because they wouldn't allow blacks to come to their white church, whereas Catholics weren't always like that. Like Catholics really were never like that when the Spanish conquistadors come down to Mexico and South America, they're worshiping at the same altar at that point, and it's like you can you can intermarry because you're worshiping at the same altar, right?

SPEAKER_09: 1:42:41

But they they demand they demanded in a sense the the subjugation of that culture to to the the European Catholicism.

SPEAKER_08: 1:42:53

Uh, but it has its own unique flavor, right? It does, it definitely has its own unique flavor.

SPEAKER_09: 1:42:58

I mean, it's not it's not that uniqueness and culture it's that unique culturation, right? But that's due to the time and place, yeah. Not due, you know, the it's because they took the things that helped them thrive in that time and in that place, right? And that were good for that. That um, but it is still distinctly uh Spanish as well, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:43:22

Okay, so now what do we do? I mean, I'm just looking at the reality of it, right? I'm I'm just looking at the reality of it, and I'm looking at it like if one of my daughters meets a uh a freaking uh I don't know, a guy who's Catholic who's not white, like what's more important to me that my daughter marries a white guy or a Catholic guy, and that's just how I'm looking at it.

SPEAKER_09: 1:43:48

Why can't she meet a white Catholic guy?

SPEAKER_08: 1:43:50

I hope she does. I mean, that's that's the ideal. That's what I'm saying. I understand the ideal, but it's more important to me, it's hard to find guys who take their faith seriously, right?

SPEAKER_09: 1:44:01

And it's hard, it's you probably even harder to find women who take their faith seriously. Uh I I would say, yeah, in this stage, we you can't go and and say that interracial marriage is is a sin, but at the same time, I think well, I don't think that's what Joel Webb's.

SPEAKER_08: 1:44:16

I don't think that's what Joel Webb is saying anyway. He's not saying that. I think Joel Webb is being reasonable. Honestly, I don't I don't give a crap what Joel Webb is saying because he's a heretic. Well, that's where the debate is, that's why I'm saying so. Like they're saying things like, uh, I actually have to bring this up, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_09: 1:44:30

Uh but I would say for if if we're really gonna raise our kids Catholic, then we do have to raise them with you know, with with the fourth commandment, you know, honor your mother and your father. And part of that is, you know, we the the virtue of patriotism comes from that commandment, right? The love for one's home and one's nation. And that, you know, the the honoring your mother and father includes honoring and loving your ancestry and your culture in your your nation and your people, you know. So whether or not you consider America like a true nation with a true people, or whether you hold more to that your, you know, your the your ancestry, whether you're German, Irish, whatever is really your your nation. Um as Catholics, we got to raise our kids to honor that, you know. And I'm not saying that I'm not saying we have to raise them to where they have to marry within that, but I think if you really raise a kid to be really truly Catholic, I think it will be just natural for them to look to that first and foremost. Not foremost, religion should be foremost in consideration of a spouse, but it will just come naturally to them, I would think.

SPEAKER_08: 1:45:38

I I always uh identify more with my like I had like an Italian-American flavor.

SPEAKER_09: 1:45:45

Like that's the best way I can explain it, right?

SPEAKER_08: 1:45:48

Like, I've I've I've rarely seen I don't know if I want to say like it kind of annoys me that my kids haven't picked up on that.

SPEAKER_09: 1:45:57

I've like I've rarely seen an interrational an interracial relationship that was not on at least one of the two ends, in some sense, born out of some sense of rebellion. That's interesting. Um and maybe that's just me. I don't know.

SPEAKER_08: 1:46:14

Um, well, okay, so the the debate is um the debate is going to be Ruslan and this guy, uh uh Samuel Say. Now Ruslan and Samuel Say are both in interracial marriages. Samuel Say is a black guy married a white girl. Ruslan, I mean, he's technically um what what is umaz?

SPEAKER_09: 1:46:37

Isn't he Armenian?

SPEAKER_08: 1:46:38

Armenian, and he's married a black girl.

SPEAKER_09: 1:46:40

Is Ruslan Armenian or was that uh Jenko?

SPEAKER_08: 1:46:43

No, I think Ruslan is Armenian, pretty sure. No, even Fawaz, right? Like, is Fawaz a white guy? His wife is white, yeah.

SPEAKER_09: 1:46:58

I mean it's it's you know, we talk about some of these subjects where speaking generality because we're on a show and talking about these things, we feel like we need to come up with an opinion. Like I never think about race when it comes to people when people's marriage, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_08: 1:47:14

Like, yeah, no, I'm that but that's kind of my point. Like, I'm I I understand the ideal, but like the reality is different sometimes. That's all I'm saying. I don't want I don't want our audience to get so jaded that when they see uh a white girl with a with a Chaldean guy that they call her a muddy broth. It's like guys, have a freaking have a have like have some decency. I don't want you talking about like you there is something to the way the conversation is happening online that you can get so jaded because I fall into it, like I get dude. Listen to me, I'm telling you, like I never ever noticed Indian immigrants in my life, like they were always just like these nice people, and now because of like the in the influx of them, it's like they're everywhere, they're all I see. My wife her windshield wiper broke the other day, and she went to a gas station to get a windshield wiper, and the Indian guy behind the counter had to help her because my wife's incompetent, she's a woman, and the Indian guy couldn't figure out how the Indian went, he was just as incompetent, and he couldn't help but get the windshield wiper on. And I and I was just like, if that was a freaking white guy, that windshield wiper would be on right now, and I had to send her somewhere else. And I'm like, I'm not saying all Indian people, I'm talking about like this guy's like, you know, these are immigrants that come here, they don't know anything, they don't know how to do it.

SPEAKER_09: 1:48:33

The whole thing about um deportations, like, yeah, I I you know if you're uh when I'm at the point now where I don't necessarily really care if you're legally a citizen, if you're first or second generation, I'm sorry, I want you to go back to no stop. Well, I but I okay. But here's the thing first generation, I want I want you to succeed back in your home. Yeah, I want I yeah, I want the Somalians to go back. Oh, the Somali, but I but I think the certain groups I definitely love, but I really hope that way to make Somal Somalia an amazing country, right? I really want the best for them, yeah. And I really think they can have the best life in their home with their own people.

SPEAKER_08: 1:49:14

The immigration thing is not working here, like it's just not like I don't but my but my point is while it's not working, and while we can have these opinions, and while we can speak in generalities, the reality is when you meet someone, like you have to not let you have to you have to treat everybody properly, like this is kind of of course, yes, 100%. And it's and it's something I'm working on myself. Like the reason I'm bringing it to the show is because I find myself falling into these things, and I'm like, man, we have to be super careful not to just get so jaded that we'll put a video like that guy put out on the internet. Like, you gotta be careful that you put something like that because while look, I'm not gonna say, look, you watch you watch the Diwali festivals, then you go watch the poop festival. The kid posted the video of the poop festival in India, so yeah, like your brain may go to something like that, you know what I mean? But posting a video of it on the internet for clicks, like it's it's this that's the kind of stuff that that if you if you play around with certain kinds of hate, you will jade your heart, man.

SPEAKER_09: 1:50:20

Like Paul, Paul goes, Oh man, Paul goes, I I assimilated it properly. So I would have got that when Jill Wiper on check the oil clean breakfast, while Indians Paul's in the chat.

SPEAKER_08: 1:50:34

I literally love Paul, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_09: 1:50:36

I don't want you to think I'm saying this about like Paul goes, Paul says these Indians need to go.

SPEAKER_08: 1:50:42

Like, I legit love Paul, like, so it's not uh that's but that's the point. Like, most of the people that watch our show, like there's a couple, there's a couple of people in here like talking like they're white nationalists like guys. I don't know if you understand our audience is not white. Wait, we don't have we've been awakened to that fact when we do college. We don't have a white audience, man. Like some of them are obviously, but our audience is not white, like so. I'm I'm I'm and I know look, I look at my parish when I go to church and I see guys who are not white married to white girls, and they're not black, like I do think black culture and white culture are a huge difference, right? Like, especially American black culture and and white American culture, like there's a huge difference. And I'll watch those videos where you find out the white girl got beat up by the black guy, and you have the thought go through your head like, well, what do you think was going to happen? Like, those is what is happening to us through these algorithms. You get jaded and you're statistically.

SPEAKER_09: 1:51:47

I mean, it's not just algorithmic. I know.

SPEAKER_08: 1:51:55

Like, there's a good chance that guy that guy never mind. What Samuel Saint may murder his wife one day, right? Like, there's a chance that may happen. They're very quick to violence sometimes. The Protestant black guy that's debating. It's possible. Um, it's just I just want to be careful that we're that we're still yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_09: 1:52:23

Like, I'm not uh Catholic morality still applies, people.

SPEAKER_08: 1:52:26

Yes, that's all I'm saying, man. Like, and it's very easy with these with the dude, it's all manipulation, and it's very easy to get jaded, and you see anybody like you will be I've I see it in myself, man.

SPEAKER_09: 1:52:39

Like, um, this is as much a talk to myself that I'm not sure like the shooting in Minneapolis, right? Like, was that officer? Um, was that agent legally and morally justified to defend himself in the way he thought in the way he did, and in the way he thought necessary? Yes, he was. Does that mean it's not a flipping tragedy? No, no, and and and that woman was in nearly every sense of the word, an enemy to what we believe, right?

SPEAKER_08: 1:53:10

She really was, she was also a victim of propaganda, and she fell for this crap that's all over. Right.

SPEAKER_09: 1:53:19

I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna claim she's a victim personally. Well, she's not a victim, every everyone's not a victim of the shooting responsible. Yes, but dude, I see the way but the way that happened was a tragedy, and it shouldn't have happened, just plain and simple. And we shouldn't celebrate it uh in any way, shape, or form. What does that mean?

SPEAKER_07: 1:53:42

They just put up.

SPEAKER_08: 1:53:43

Um, I don't, yes, a car can be a weapon. Rob is not saying in any way that the that the you know, of course, it was a justified shooting, yes, it was a justified shooting, and not just that. Like, I he's not even sounding like Lila Rose, he's just saying, like, you can still have compassion for a lost life, right? Like, he's not saying shoot the the cops should have shot the tires out.

SPEAKER_09: 1:54:04

That's not where he's going with this. No, if I was in that situation, I hope I would have had the skill and presence of mind to shoot that woman three times in the face. Like, I'm sorry, it just sucks that this is but I bet that guy, I bet that guy is is torn up, yeah. It will be forever.

SPEAKER_08: 1:54:24

Yeah, it's not look that's the other thing. You take a life, like uh you may be justified. That doesn't mean it doesn't rip your freaking heart out that you took a life, like like well, like honestly, right before the show.

SPEAKER_09: 1:54:38

Uh the boys' birthdays are coming up, Iggy's on is on Saturday, Maddie's is nine days after that.

SPEAKER_08: 1:54:44

My daughter is not marrying a sub-Saharian or an Indian stop it. I'm not I'm not even like you guys are sick. I'm just saying, if you if you're at your local parish and you come across an interracial couple, like don't judge them, like it's not your problem, it's on them, they're gonna have to deal with it. It's good to encourage your own children, however, you want to encourage your own children. Don't get me wrong, like if that's how you want to raise your children, you're I think you should, but I'm trying to warn us all off of just having these quick reactions because I saw the way the knee-jerk racist reaction happens, man. It does like, especially with all the crap we're all looking at, these conversations that are happening. Like, I I don't want us to end up in hell because we have some based ass opinion. That's all I'm concerned with. Like, yeah, I'm not I'm not trying to be some freaking liberal, whatever. I'm being honest about like we have to be cautious and guard our hearts, man, because like the whole point of this shit is so that we that we become saints, and it doesn't mean overlooking obvious problems, right? Like, we have to talk about these things, we have to, we have to, but at the same time, we have to make sure that we always remain charitable. The thing is, they did this to our country, and this is the situation we're in, and you're going to see this stuff, and you're gonna see it at your local parish, depending on where you live. Like, I'm in New York, I see it a lot, and they're good people, like they're good men that are just trying to raise their family, and they might have a wife who's a different nationality than them or a different race than them, even. And it's like I the Kevin James is married to uh a woman who's not white. She's not white, they're some kind of South American. I don't know what, but there's some kind of South America.

SPEAKER_09: 1:56:38

I see. I love how you're how you're railing against racism, but you can't help but do so in a way that doesn't come off as terribly racist. You just cannot help it.

SPEAKER_08: 1:56:51

I don't know. Uh I don't know. Am I you guys you guys think I think I think I'm naive? I don't know. I don't know what you guys think.

SPEAKER_09: 1:57:00

No, no, you no, you're not naive. I I I I agree with you completely. It's it's yeah, it's such a weird topic for me, and the zoomers won't get this, but like, but I know you do. Like, when you when you're like, what about? I'm like, what about then like, oh wait, he's he's not actually white, is he?

SPEAKER_08: 1:57:19

But but we just we but that's why he's able to do hip-hop too. Like, if he was white, he couldn't do hip-hop.

SPEAKER_09: 1:57:23

Like, I would be like, Oh my gosh, but he's not I know, but but like you our generation in a way the younger guys will never really understand. It we really grew up not seeing race, like not seeing. I mean, we knew like I knew my black fans were black, but it wasn't something I thought of conditioning.

SPEAKER_08: 1:57:43

We received it wouldn't first of all's meeting another Chaldean chick, you know what I mean? He's gonna go to his local parish and he's gonna go back there. No, so that's the point, and it's like, and he's dude, he's got a beautiful family. Like, I don't care, like, it's just they're from two different cultures, but like that, I I don't know, man. Like, that's how that's kind of how I see this issue, and I and I'm trying to see it like that because I want to, because like I don't well, first off, I don't want to say some crazy shit online, and then the people that I know in my real life are like, oh, this guy's a total asshole. He talks like that. Like, it's I we have to be careful, you know. Like, believe me, the people that watch our show, the people that that take what we say to heart, like, I don't I'm not going to add to I mean, I do at times, obviously, because you can't help it, but I mean, I'm not I'm I'm all for preserving um uh uh America as a Christian nation. But my biggest fear is not like Mexican and South American Catholics coming in. My biggest fear is these Muslims coming in and the Hindus coming in and things like that. That's that's my fear. Like in some way, I do think just like the Irish and the Italians assimilated, I think this the you know, the South American and Mexican, I don't know, and it's argued.

SPEAKER_09: 1:59:09

I I mean I I think it could be argued more so maybe not as much anymore. Um but just as America is like an offshoot of European civilization. America, you know, America is a European civilization. I think you could argue there are at least parts of Latin and South America that are European civilization? Are European civilizations. I mean not all of it, obviously. And it they they've had to deal with you know real communism and socialism a lot more than we have. Um you know, so it's it it is different, but uh but I mean, yeah, you it's not too hard to meet a Mexican that's at least as white as Anthony.

SPEAKER_08: 1:59:59

So like the Younger people who watch people like you do have a tendency to take things to the extreme. I see that on Twitter quite a bit, and that's the that's the point. Like, I like the people that listen to us, um, because we we don't do what Nick Fuentes does. Like, I you know, I I think he's funny, and I think he's got some good points sometimes. But we're Catholics.

SPEAKER_09: 2:00:20

No, I'm not talking just about the Nazi towns in Argentina, although that's kind of a good point.

SPEAKER_08: 2:00:25

We discuss Catholicism in a way he doesn't, and we have more of a responsibility to handle it properly. That's all I'm saying. Like he could say some outlandish shit, and it's like oh, it's funny, it's based. He's never gonna get married, like he's just not, he's not he's going to be celibate, he's not getting married, and if he does, it's gonna be some like just arrangement for children or something. Like, he's not he's he doesn't care about marriage, and in a way, he's kind of right in that he does he the way he's talking and the things he's doing. Like, if he had a wife in his life to freaking be nagging him and be like, I have to meet like you know this crap Nicole says to me if she catches the show, she's like, Why are you telling me? I was like, just shut up and don't watch the show because I can't do what I have to do if you're watching. If you're watching, hope he marries your daughter. He's Mexican. I can't let my daughter marry him.

SPEAKER_09: 2:01:25

Anthony sits him down. Now, I'm not opposed to you marrying my daughter, but we're not naming no son Jose or any of that crap.

SPEAKER_08: 2:01:37

Um, yeah, I don't know, man. This this this this topic, I don't even know why I wanted to talk about it tonight, but just oh, because you wanted to make fun of the Protestants excommunication. I did because oh man, we forgot to even get to that, but they're basically using um uh Catholic art. All right, so Joel Webbin has separated himself from the visible body of Christ that now teaches doctrines that are incompatible with scripture and historic Christian faith, they're appealing to tradition faith because he is an independent pastor with no ecclesiastical authority. We cannot formally discipline him. However, as the visible body of Christ, we can excommunicate him in practice by refusing fellowship, rejecting his teaching, and warning others to flee. In doing so, we hand him and anyone who associates with him over to Satan that they may be brought to shame and prayerfully repentance, so he may be restored. May God have mercy on his soul. This isn't cancellation, it's faithful obedience to scripture, guarding covenant, guarding the covenant and protecting the visible body of Christ from false teaching. These people who tweeted that uh Peter Pecavi.

SPEAKER_09: 2:02:46

Uh does it say what denomination he is?

SPEAKER_08: 2:02:49

I just uh no, it doesn't, but it is it is hilarious because I like to watch them appeal to to tradition and and authority, like outside of scripture.

SPEAKER_09: 2:03:02

Because I bet I I bet whatever denomination they're in, I bet I can find some horribly racist stuff and participate in.

SPEAKER_08: 2:03:09

Oh I'm sure the thing is like Joel is one of the likable Protestants. Like he just kind of he's kind of likable. I like I like Joel.

SPEAKER_09: 2:03:20

Um, I I like the reaction he gets out of everyone, but um let me see.

SPEAKER_08: 2:03:32

Uh I mean he he's very good at um I think why he works is because he's totally straight faced, he doesn't change his tone, he just kind of delivers what he has to say at this very monotone level, and he's just kind of stating facts and like he's not wrong on a lot of stuff, um just on the stuff that will save his soul, yeah. But these these these guys are all appealing to saying there is no race, race isn't a real thing, and then they'll talk about their black church, and he's like, How is it a black church? I thought race wasn't a thing. Like, what are you talking about, you know?

SPEAKER_09: 2:04:11

Um let me see if I can find uh he's basically saying Webin is the guy that looks like discount manual.

SPEAKER_08: 2:04:25

Yes, for sure. Um yeah, because dude, like somebody somebody said so speaking of the black guy married to the white girl, he said under Christian nationalism, this evil committed by this subhuman on the far left of this picture will be met with capital punishment. A black guy marrying a white girl. Like that's the shit I worry about creeping in.

SPEAKER_09: 2:04:53

Yeah, like putting putting like Catholics, you literally cannot think any human is subhuman.

SPEAKER_08: 2:04:59

No, it's like insane, and I and that's the stuff I worry about creeping in, and it creeps in subtly, creeps in very subtly, and then before you know it, you're talking like that. And I find myself doing it. Um bomb, but I'd say it's like I'm not saying it like I hate black people, I'm saying it like it like I'm one of them. Yeah, exactly. It's still a wiggerhead heart. Um, yeah, it's just I don't know, man. We'll see where it all pans out. I'm gonna watch that debate. Yes, I do. I do say the N word in traffic. I do say the N-word in traffic an awful lot. I definitely do, because they are not a fun people to be driving around.

SPEAKER_09: 2:05:52

Okay, but I think I've heard you say like uh you've you I've heard you mention others that are worse.

SPEAKER_08: 2:06:01

The Chinese, but is there's a difference? Chinese are bad drivers. Black people are intentionally bad drivers, like they're just rude and scummy on the road of New York. Like they just I know I'm speaking in generalities and it sounds awfully racist, but they'll never let you in.

SPEAKER_09: 2:06:18

Really racism with racism.

SPEAKER_08: 2:06:21

I'm just saying, this is what I mean.

SPEAKER_09: 2:06:26

Question. So, okay, so you you use the N bomb. Do you ever call Jews the K-bomb? No, I don't think I have. You ever used a chink? Yes, gook, yeah. I don't know why I don't I don't say I don't know why I find this funny. What what other ones are there?

SPEAKER_08: 2:06:48

Um I I guess I'm still standoffish to go full anti-Semitic. Like they've they've drilled it into my head how bad it is to do that. That uh like I don't know, it's weird.

SPEAKER_09: 2:06:58

Like I'll cross the taboo with black people, but I won't you'll you'll say nigga, chink, gook, but you won't say kike.

SPEAKER_08: 2:07:05

Well, I'll say kite to you, but I won't like yell it at a Jewish person, you know. Maybe if I'm maybe if they cut me off in traffic and I see the yarmulk, I'm hate though. I don't know. You never know what kind of mood I'm in. Go fly a kike. I don't know. I have to I have to test that one out. They're not over driving.

SPEAKER_09: 2:07:26

No, no, no, no. No, no, they're not. I'm not saying you should test that one out. Shut up.

SPEAKER_08: 2:07:32

No, but I will say, um, like when I'm working in Jewish areas, I'll just be like, I'm just constantly eye rolling, like, oh my gosh. Six thousand years of being told you're God's chosen people certainly has an effect. I'll say that. You certainly do take that to heart and believe you are God's chosen people, and anyone that's not one of you is scum. Like, that's how they treat goy. Yeah, that's how they treat the goyum when you're not Jewish.

SPEAKER_09: 2:08:02

If they can call us goy if goy and goyam, why can't we call them cakes? I guess we can. I mean, nobody's gonna stop us. I'm just I'm just saying people get to call white people honkies, crackers.

SPEAKER_08: 2:08:15

Um, but there is something to white privilege rob where it's like, I don't care what you call me, I'm white. I don't care why it's not a name in the world that you can call me that I'll care about.

SPEAKER_09: 2:08:28

Like back in high school, playing playing football, playing the inner city schools was always our favorite, and also the most scary, but our favorite because it was so funny, they'd be calling us hockeys and crackers as we would just roll right over them because they're in inner city school and can't afford pads or anything, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_08: 2:08:49

We played football against the kids in wine dance, bro. We got the shit kicked out of us, yeah. Those kids were left back three times, so you're in eighth grade and you're playing a senior. It was so bad, dude.

SPEAKER_09: 2:09:00

Oh, see, and by the time I came around, they were just passing them no matter what.

SPEAKER_08: 2:09:03

So, bro, they would it would be like you're in eighth grade and you're playing against a high school senior because they got left back three times, it was terrible. We always got the crap kicked out of us.

SPEAKER_09: 2:09:15

WAP is a fun one.

SPEAKER_08: 2:09:16

WAP doesn't bother me. Guinea doesn't bother me. Like, none of those bother. I don't care. You could call I call myself that, like, I don't care in the slightest.

SPEAKER_09: 2:09:24

Like, you none of these things you tell a German they jerry rig something, and they're like, Yep, it works, doesn't it? You tell a black guy they nigger rigged something, yeah. And it's not gonna go well, it's not gonna go well. Yeah, Polak, yeah. Polak.

SPEAKER_08: 2:09:40

Patty is not a good one for Irish. Nobody cares about Patty.

SPEAKER_09: 2:09:44

I don't Mick. Yeah, that's true. Mick. Um another one. What's another one?

SPEAKER_08: 2:09:52

Yeah, it only bothers the head if you call him a mooley or a grease ball. What's a mooley? You don't know what a mooly is? A moolyan? Is a black person.

SPEAKER_09: 2:10:03

No, never heard of that.

SPEAKER_08: 2:10:04

How about Shwoogie?

SPEAKER_09: 2:10:06

Wet back, spec, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 2:10:09

Beaner. All right, we're just doing racist epithets in the chat now. I think we can wrap this one up.

SPEAKER_09: 2:10:21

Pollock is a fish. Pollock is a pole. There's a difference.

SPEAKER_06: 2:10:31

Oh, this is a fun one, guys.

SPEAKER_08: 2:10:34

Uh, very fun show.

SPEAKER_09: 2:10:36

All right. This local show is never seen the light of day. Right? You should put it up. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You have me solid. Like, I'm like, I'm forbidding race mixing.

SPEAKER_08: 2:10:49

No, we literally came in telling people how not to be racist and then ended the show with every racial slur. I define the show like avoiding Jap, nippin', nip, nap.

SPEAKER_09: 2:11:05

We didn't do any of those.

SPEAKER_08: 2:11:10

Guys, don't be racist, don't get caught up into it. You ever say kike ant? Holy crap, this show is out of it.

SPEAKER_09: 2:11:20

Hold on, we we should get we should get Gideon and Ryan on and be like, you guys offended if we were to drop the drop kike.

SPEAKER_08: 2:11:29

All right, well, we'll see you guys on Thursday. We could we could do a late show Thursday because I don't have work on Friday. Um oh I hate yawning on show.

SPEAKER_09: 2:11:39

Um, and then you guys have to pray for me for the weekend that I say that with no consideration of what I might or might not be doing on Friday. You keep going.

SPEAKER_08: 2:11:47

I don't have work on Friday, so we can do a late show. You keep going, you'll be streaming five days a week. You're putting shows together for the kids now, you're streaming on Monday with Adrian, you're not gonna have a day off. Your wife's gonna divorce you.

SPEAKER_09: 2:12:04

All right, we're gonna go. As long as she doesn't raise an exemption.

SPEAKER_08: 2:12:09

That's the line of the night. Let's go, wrap it up.

SPEAKER_09: 2:12:14

I'm gonna die.

SPEAKER_08: 2:12:15

Wrap it up. All right, we'll see you guys on Thursday.