Is Ben Shapiro’s AmFest Speech the Beginning of His Downfall? (Full LOCALS Version)

Tonight’s energy is messy, honest, and worth leaning into. We open with a reality check—noisy gear, a broken chair, and a quick correction on music that keeps getting us flagged—then shift into something a lot of you have been asking for: a focused, affordable pilgrimage to Italy. We map out ten days across Rome, Pompeii, Capri, Naples, Loreto, Lanciano, Assisi, and Orvieto, with one bus, capped seats, and open afternoons so you can pray and breathe instead of sprinting between sites. The goal is simple: build a small community that can share Mass, meals, and wonder without the price tag that shuts most people out.

From there we wade into the week’s biggest spectacle: the TPUSA rifts and the influencer ecosystem that seems engineered to keep people angry and loyal. We unpack the archetypes—fitness tribes, political brands, culture-war mascots—and why Christian symbols often show up as props rather than paths to conversion. We talk Zionism as a political litmus test, how “anti‑Semitism” is used to freeze honest debate, and why serious Christians must keep their anchor in theology, not hot takes. It’s not about defending your favorite pundit; it’s about naming sin, turning back to prayer and penance, and refusing to let outrage content define your faith.

We also confront the Church’s image problem: a public square hungry for real spiritual fatherhood and tired of performative masculinity. What people crave isn’t bluster—it’s men who can be gentle and firm, who protect and teach, who say no when souls are at risk. We share candid stories about dignity, consequences, and the pressure to “fix” humiliation with worse decisions. The antidote to our era’s spectacle culture is old and still potent: fathers and mothers forming kids in virtue, parishes that catechize without flinching, and pilgrim days that let the heart reset among ruins, relics, and the prayers of the saints.

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Chapters

• 0:40 Cold Open, Chaos, And Copyright
• 2:03 Announcing The Italy Pilgrimage
• 3:20 Route Changes, Cost, And Group Size
• 5:00 Safety, Community, And Who Should Join
• 6:40 Sponsors, Free Plugs, And Year-End Support
• 9:43 Pivot To TPUSA And Conservative Infighting
• 10:45 The “Psyop” Theory Of Influencer Factions
• 12:18 Christian Symbols, Manipulation, And Missing Roots
• 15:05 Barron Account Controversy And Church Image
• 18:20 Masculinity, Leadership, And Fatherhood In The Church
• 22:05 Zionism, Theology, And Media Outrage
• 26:10 Debating “Trad” Identity And Conspiracy Lines
• 31:20 Holocaust Narratives, Boundaries, And Platforming
• 36:20 Calling Out Slander And Setting Limits
• 40:20 Locals Tease And Tough Lessons On Dignity
• 46:30 Viral Slap, Reputation, And Owning Mistakes
• 52:00 Kids, Crime, And Moral Formation
• 56:30 Pilgrimage Logistics, Season, And Priest Plans
• 1:01:30 Community, Friendship, And Future Trips
• 1:05:20 Closing Riffs And Aftershow Move

Transcript

SPEAKER_08: 0:40

This is what I get for not listening to the video.

SPEAKER_05: 0:43

What first of now, Taffy, I don't know how many times I have to tell you about music in the beginning of videos, and I also don't know why you want to go to war with me. If there's one more of those, we will never be playing back in the beginning again. There's nothing funny about that.

SPEAKER_08: 0:59

If you see, well, okay, have you seen the John Hamm clip on Instagram and stuff?

SPEAKER_05: 1:03

No, I have no idea what you've seen as a reference to. No, not at all.

SPEAKER_08: 1:07

Well, okay. I your face is so similar to John Ham's. I'm like, Tavy, put Ant's face on it. But the music was different. It wasn't supposed to, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05: 1:19

There should be no music in our intro videos.

SPEAKER_08: 1:23

They is what gets us copyrighted.

SPEAKER_05: 1:25

Every time every video gets a copyright strike, and we don't get we don't get to monetize the video. Don't put music in the intro videos. And I started off in a bad mood in the freaking green room because my son's fat friend was over my house and he broke my freaking chair. So I started in the green room screaming at my son before the stupid show started, and Rob's sitting there uncomfortable, just like, what is going on right now? Uh this is then I get I get to open to that ridiculous video. Taffy, this is not good. I'm not happy with you right now, Taffy. He's talking on my side.

SPEAKER_08: 2:00

This is my fault, Taffy. I told you what to do. Well, not the music. No more Rob.

SPEAKER_05: 2:06

I'm not, you know, I started the day off really happy, really excited because I uh I announced that we're finalizing the yeah, I'm like I am certainly he's Scrooge tonight. Oh man, call me Marley. I I it was just like if you guys saw the what what happened in the green room before we started, I came down. I got to sit in my chair, and this isn't my chair. I grabbed the chair out of my son's. This is and and like even this one, it's not I don't my chair, he broke the back of it, or his friends did, and I can't even sit in the start. I was flipping out screaming about that. Um, but um, I started off uh we were finalizing the details on the pilgrimage. So the pilgrimage is going to be uh in December, and I put out I just put out a tweet today about it, and I got a ton of people responding, which is really good.

SPEAKER_08: 3:03

For the first time in three years, Anthony logged into his avoiding Babylon email address.

SPEAKER_05: 3:08

It's true. I I'm like, Rob, how do I log into my own my own email here? I've only been paying for it for three years. Yeah, but you always tell me if something important comes in. So, all right, so here's the thing we uh we are skipping San Giovanni Rotundo because that's where all the Rupnik art is, and we replaced that with Sorrento and Capri. So we're going from Rome, three days in Rome, driving down to go see Pompeii, the island of Capri or Capri. Uh, we'll we'll hit Naples while we're down there.

SPEAKER_08: 3:42

For Nero, right?

SPEAKER_05: 3:43

I think so. Uh well, Pompeii, I I can't wait to go to just because Pompeii, uh like Memphis Hubius erupts in 72 or 73 AD. It's like right after maybe 80 AD or something. 79 AD. Yeah, something like that. Right after the temple is destroyed. So we're gonna go, we're gonna go down there, see the ruins in Pompeii, go to the island of Capri. Then we're gonna come up and go head towards Assisi. And on the way to Assisi, we're gonna stop in Loretto, we're gonna stop at Lanciano, see the Eucharistic miracle at Lanciano, then we're gonna go to Assisi, we're gonna hit Orvieto. There's a ton of stuff we're doing. We're gonna do it in December of next year, early December. It's gonna be like November 30th to December 10th. If anybody is interested, we're only gonna have like 30 spots available because we're keeping it at one bus. And I also want to make it way cheaper than any other pilgrimage out there. So, like Taylor Marshall is doing his pilgrimage, it's like 5,300 bucks or something. Joshua Charles, same thing, it's like 5,300 bucks. We're keeping this one around four grand. So, in order to do that, I'm gonna try. I so, in order for me to get it as cheap as I can, I need to know if we can fill the bus because the more people that come, the cheaper it could be. But we're not going over one bus, we're keeping it at one bus. This way, here it's an intimate trip. It's gonna be an amazing time. I'm hoping if there's like single girls that have always wanted to visit Europe and are afraid to go on their own, like you're gonna have a ton of chivalrous men to look after you, you'll be able to come feel safe. If there's single guys that want to go, maybe meet a girl, maybe that'll work up and uh we'll be able to set you guys up. Either way, it's gonna be an amazing time. If any age, I mean, honestly, we already any age, I don't care, but it's gonna be a really good time. This discount should be sleeping on the streets. Just the men, just the men. Uh, we'll make sure the ladies have beds, I promise. You boys, you're getting cots, but uh no, it's gonna be an amazing time. It's gonna be 10 days in Italy. We're gonna keep it as cheap as we possibly can. There's just from a tweet today, I got like 15 people that emailed me and are interested. There's only going to be 35 spots that we give out to this thing. So once uh once if you are interested, send me an email at team at avoidingbabylon.com. Team at avoidingbabylon.com. It is going to be an amazing time. We're gonna have uh this is the code for all this this is all code for there will be co sleeping. Look, if you want to be cheap, you gotta share a bed. I don't know. No, it's not nobody's sharing the opposite sex, nobody's sharing beds. Everything's gonna be fine, don't worry. We're gonna we're gonna have an amazing time. So um, all right, so that's just a quick release. I don't, I don't even I can't even give official details yet because I need to know how many people are coming. I'm going to try and keep this thing around four grand, which is unheard of. Every other pilgrimage is at least$1,300,$1,400 more expensive. Um, so yeah, team at avoidingbabylon.com if you guys are interested. So okay, so now the past week I have been watching the unraveling of TP USA.

SPEAKER_08: 6:39

Well, hold on. Before we get we should do our other stuff we gotta do. Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 6:48

Oh, that's my Q.

SPEAKER_08: 6:50

Well, I mean, yes.

SPEAKER_05: 6:56

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SPEAKER_08: 7:02

Oh, that's requisite. That's requisite.

SPEAKER_05: 7:04

Oh, that's Requisant?

SPEAKER_08: 7:05

That's right. Yeah. What is I have two separate ones?

SPEAKER_05: 7:08

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SPEAKER_08: 7:10

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SPEAKER_05: 8:58

All right, we're giving tons of free promos out tonight. Let's get back to the show now. No, I don't know. One last promo is it's the it's Christmas, it's the end of the year. If you guys enjoy our show and you would like to support us, it's basically just a Christmas gift. It's not really a fundraiser, we're not raising funds for anything, but we had a very expensive December.

SPEAKER_08: 9:16

So if you guys would like to we had a paying an accountant to set up set us up as an actual business.

SPEAKER_05: 9:22

Yeah, so we we we we we spent a little bit of money this month, but uh it would be nice for end of the year Christmas gift if you guys want, uh, go right to our website or scan that little thing. Rob's got up in the corner, and you could uh you guys could throw us a couple couple shekels for uh for for all the enjoyment you get out of us. All right, so now on to the topic at hand. Um my wife just texted me, babe. You threw you through the chair across the room. Was your mic on when you were screaming? Yes, yeah, but it was just to me. It was just I that heard the whole awkward screen. Rob's the only one that heard me yelling. Um can I tip if I don't like your show? Yes. Okay, so for the past week, I've been watching the unraveling of TP USA. Um, it was kind of a bizarre spectacle to watch. Um, it started off, it had Ben Shapiro giving the opening speech, and he basically told everybody that they are cowards for not condemning Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens. And then every speaker after that basically came and said, Shut up, Ben, don't tell us what we have to do. So it's it just seemed um turn the tip QR back on, please. Oh, it's on the screen right now. Thank you, Emily, very much. Um, it was just this really bizarre thing. But I also um I caught an episode of uh the two cities podcast, Steo's podcast the other day.

SPEAKER_06: 10:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 10:51

And he interviewed this guy. Um I I forgot his name. I feel terrible now. I think his name was uh I think he went with um it's like a it's a pen name, Augustine something. Uh something Dante Dante Augustine or something like that. I'm sorry. Go check out Theo's podcast. But he basically gave his whole thesis on how all of these podcasters are just the giant psyop, and all of the stuff we're seeing is just K-fade, like it's all just a big circus, and each one of these podcasters that have like millions and millions of subscribers, they're all kind of set in the mold for each person's temperament. Like, some people are like you can see Candaces fans, they're like diehard Candace fans. Same thing with Fuentes, like they're diehard Fuentes fans, and you get diehard Tucker fans, and you and you have everybody just kind of at war with each other and everybody's emotions being manipulated, and it's multiple like small cults of personality all against each other, and and not one of them, and especially like it really made me think when I saw Jack the Sobic come up with his rosary like this at the TPUSA event, just this weird emotional manipulation that they're doing, and they're all it's it's really strange how you have all these different Christian factions forming, right? So you have the Catholics forming and you have the reformed and you have the Zionists, and it's like this inter-Christian squabble that's going on right now, and not any none of the Catholics are really talking about the real root of the problem, which is sin, the flesh, and the devil, right? Right? Like they're all it's all this emotional manipulation, but none of them are actually getting to the root of how the whole problem can get fixed, which is basically just penance and you know, uh getting into your spiritual life and things like that. So it it it all really does seem like theater. This whole thing with the hair coming out of the world.

SPEAKER_08: 12:58

They don't even have works for the most part. Most of them don't even have like secular solutions to problems.

SPEAKER_05: 13:03

All they care about is harping on the problems and riling people up, and tearing other shows down and like going at each other, and it's um like the the he went into like even certain types of personalities, like the the hardcore weight lifter kind of guy who's like obsessed with the gym. Check the early life of Men Shapiro every single time. Um uh the like the the BAP guys, the the bronze age pervert guy, like all and and they get these young guys into niche. Yeah they're like you know, and they get obsessed with with weight lifting, and it's just all of these different different factions of now. These people may not have necessarily gone in and intentionally became this psyop, but eventually they start getting bribed or this things go like you you saw Russell Brand today, uh got charged with um a rape accusation in addition to what he's already been charged with from like 26 years ago, though. It's kind of it's kind of absurd to charge somebody um with something from the Bajarian slant. Well, I will say this because I never knew that's where Bajarian was coming from until I heard this podcast, and it's like, oh, he's just a cliche Ranji's pervert guy. He's just he's just regurgitating that stuff. I get it now. I'm not knocking Bajarian. I literally love Bujarian, but that is that is their the kind of the thing, and they get they get each person tuned to their temperament and their personality to jump on board with one of these personalities, and they all have like millions of followers, and it's all and it's really just a way for like um uh what was he? Uh what's oh like like Kabbalah, like to really just like manipulate people's emotions and keep them in certain camps. Now, I don't know how much of that is true, but it does seem like the whole thing is theater at this point, like everything from politics to like it seemed like a prolonged MAGA rally, this CPUSA event.

SPEAKER_08: 15:22

That's what it was.

SPEAKER_05: 15:23

It was really bizarre, right? That they're they're coming out, and Erica Kirk is already basically crowning JD Vance as the candidate for 2028, and it's just a lot of weird stuff going on right now. And I I'm I don't know, man. I just I just see everything coming apart at the seams. Like the the whole civil war within the right seems very manipulated, and even us talking about some of the things that we're talking about getting caught up into it, the fact that we're all like because even Ben Shapiro coming up and trying to make it like he's upset because Tucker won't condemn Puentes and Candace, uh, but really all this has to do with is Zionism, yeah, and that is that is the issue at hand. It's like front and center, and no matter how much people try to move on from that topic, it's like it just keeps getting brought up, and it seems like they want this topic discussed ad nauseum, with Charlie Kirk the catacomb. That's a good theory. Yeah, but he was certainly restraining something. His wife.

SPEAKER_07: 16:36

Oh my gosh, that might be the funniest line, but also the most terrible at the exact same time.

SPEAKER_06: 16:45

Oh my goodness, I cannot believe he just came out of the line. I couldn't help it. I'm sorry, Charlie Kirk was restraining something in his wife. Holy cow. Guys, it just came out. I'm sorry, Rob.

SPEAKER_05: 17:07

Every so often you just drop a gem on everybody, man.

SPEAKER_08: 17:12

It was not great. I mean, it was, but that wasn't great.

SPEAKER_05: 17:15

No, because the Erica Kirk stuff plays into it too. Because I brought Erica Kirk up last night in my so all right. So last night my daughters wanted to watch a Christmas movie. So we're we're watching um the Santa Claus, and uh the Santa Claus is on, and as soon as Tim Allen's character gets to the North Pole, the first thing you see is the head elf is a Jew named Bernard. It's like really strange. He's like, My name's Bernard. Um like he's like a New York Jew. It's well, the funniest part is when uh Tim Allen goes, Barabbas calls him. He's like calls himself Barnabas, which Barnabas is one of the apostles, not the not he's not one of the apostles, but he's yeah, yeah, so Barnabas is connected with the apostles, but he's he's like calling him all these Jewish names, and then at the end of the movie, the wife was such a bad actress to the whole movie, and she starts crying. And I go, Oh, she's a better actress than Erica Kirk. Just as like an off-handed comment, you know. And my daughters go, Dad, there's something wrong with that woman. And I'm like, wait a minute, what how do you guys even know about Erica Kirk? They're like, We need to show you something. They took me through like all these reels of Erica Kirk last night. They're like, look at her eyes. There's something off with her eyes, there's something off with this woman, and I'm like, Wow, I don't know what's going on in my house right now. So it all really does just seem like this performative theater, the everything, the Erica Kirk stuff, the the Pasobic stuff is weird, man. I don't know, because like you you want to support other Catholics, but him coming out with the rosary, like it's I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_08: 18:55

I it's a weird event for it, right?

SPEAKER_05: 18:59

I mean it's just strange, the whole thing is just weird, and then you you tie in things like um I the first thing I think I sent you from this latest round of insane things I sent you. Um it's yeah, uh it should be underneath the the new New York Bishop video.

SPEAKER_08: 19:22

Everything's underneath that that too.

SPEAKER_05: 19:24

Well, it's the first one underneath that too. I I have to even address that for a second because I took I took my video from work down that was on the channel.

SPEAKER_08: 19:36

Um I took it, I took it down just man, I was like, Because you didn't want your uncle seeing you doing it.

SPEAKER_05: 19:42

Yeah, no, not my uncle, not that uncle. It was it's because I got to see family on Christmas Eve. Oh. Like I didn't feel like explaining it to like because I have normie family members that'll come across stuff sometimes, and I was like, let me just take this one down, because I don't feel like explaining this one. But because that'll tie into the rumors about Baron's account getting hacked. Um yeah, so I a couple of days ago I had somebody reach out to me and send me the images of Baron's Facebook. And it's per apparently it's his personal account. And on his personal account, he was liking some weird stuff. Let's just say that.

SPEAKER_08: 20:25

The account was liking some weird stuff.

SPEAKER_05: 20:28

Yeah, the account was liking some weird stuff. So somebody sent me all this and all the screenshots and stuff, and I was just like, it was right after I did the video of the New York Bishop, which if you didn't see it, I don't know what to tell you guys. It it wasn't kind. Um, so I think this person thought, like, oh, he's criticizing this in the hierarchy, like, let me send them this.

SPEAKER_08: 20:54

Yeah, you don't want to be that guy everyone goes to.

SPEAKER_05: 20:56

I don't, I really don't. And the stuff that that Barron's account was liking was like in line with you know stuff like that. So I was like, I'm not gonna go near this, like, I'm just gonna leave it alone. And then the next day, somebody else came out showing all the things, and then Word on Fire comes out and says that Barron's account was hacked, and it's like maybe, but if it wasn't, like you can't be lying like that. Like, that's a flat out lie if it wasn't. And if it was, what does it mean? It's just it's just a really strange situation, like yeah, we're we're all just sitting back and watching all this stuff happen in the hierarchy.

SPEAKER_08: 21:42

Like, I have always waiting for the other shoe to drop, right?

SPEAKER_05: 21:45

Always, and it's part of me thinks the appointment of Hicks was intentional because he's on the softer side, like like the flagship diocese of the United States, essentially, he's gonna be in the news all the time. Like Dolan was constantly on Fox News, he's constantly in the limelight, and that that position is that, and it's like the this softer man who kind of speaks with with he speaks with like the like the cliche gay lisp. He kind of does, like there's no other way to say it, and for that guy to be the one that's always on the news and stuff, it seems like it's intentional to like just give this image off of the church. So, like, my my my mind is just like going there, and I'm just so like, oh my goodness, man. Like, can we just please have some some men in the priesthood? And people people were accusing me of like wanting some like masculine, like LARP of a man, you know, and that's not what I'm looking for. Like, I don't I don't need some caricature of masculinity as a priest. That's not at all, like it doesn't matter if a man is soft spoken.

SPEAKER_08: 23:04

It's gonna say some of the manliest priests I've ever known were very soft-spoken.

SPEAKER_05: 23:08

Soft spoken is totally fine. What what we're looking for is men who have like a real spiritual fatherhood at the core of their being, where sometimes that that entails being a little stern about something, saying no, um, and just and just presenting like true true masculinity, not not a LARP, not a caricature of masculinity, just like a real masculine presence that and and someone who actually cares about the well-being of souls. Like we just we just haven't had real fathers in such a long time that it gets disheartening when you see this stuff. You you're seeing these accusations against Baron coming in. Like Baron's supposedly one of the good guys, and you're like, even the good guys are looking at Brazilian men's feet, like that's that's where we're at. Like, like, what's going on, man? I don't know. So that that's I don't know how I got on this. That's it, I get on. Oh, I'm not sure either. I it well, part of the charade, like the show, like the charade of everything. It just it feels like him being put in there is meant to demoralize because when they asked Pope Leo why did they put him in there, he was like, Oh, I can't answer that right now. Like they the reporter asked him, Why'd you pick Hicks to be in New York? And he kind of seemed like he was caught off guard. He was like, I I can't answer that right now. So, you know, it's just I'm I'm not trying to how is this calumny?

SPEAKER_08: 24:43

It's not, is it? I don't know it's calumny. Not at all.

SPEAKER_05: 24:46

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_08: 24:47

You haven't made any claims.

SPEAKER_05: 24:48

I'm not I'm not even I'm I'm talking about image and just like how we present as a child. I and and there's this there's this idea that like orthodoxy is this masculine thing, and that's why young men are flocking to orthodoxy and stuff. It's like if we don't put some real men at the helm of some of these things, or some some real men in positions of even visibility, I don't know how we're supposed to attract men because you need men to convert. Like, there's a reason Christ chose 12 men as a bot, and he didn't just choose 12 men, he chose 12 like blue-collar guy, like fishermen. You ever see fishermen? Fishermen are like some of the most rugged dudes you ever come across, like that, you know, and it's because there's a presence about men like that. It's it's kind of people were pointing out that my video was like, I'm a construction guy from a big machine, like talking about the effeminate presentation of the latest bishop and stuff. It but and I wasn't even trying to, I didn't even think about that when I did it. I was just at work and I saw that video and I was like, oh man, let me just say this. But yeah, I I think I think that um the way things are being presented right now, it's it can be disheartening. Definitely can. It's not it's not it's not easy to you're right. Like it feels like the shoe, the other shoe is always going to drop as a cat. Like you're waiting for the next scandal to break, you're waiting for it.

SPEAKER_08: 26:16

I mean, that could lead into you're you're what you're always waiting for your hero, whoever that is, to have some sort of scandal.

SPEAKER_05: 26:24

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, oh man. Um, so all right, so we can go a few places with this. Uh, so that first clip I put underneath is this bizarre rant from um what what what what pastor is this? Uh Greg Laurie. This is Greg Laurie. Is it the healthcating white Zionist one? Listen to how insane this is that he says what he says here.

SPEAKER_08: 26:51

Okay, so it's that one.

SPEAKER_05: 26:52

Yeah, let's go with Greg Laurie first. Because we got a few videos we'll go over here. These are pretty nuts, some of them.

SPEAKER_08: 27:02

Give me a second to get it set up here.

SPEAKER_05: 27:04

Yeah, this is the forms of Christianity that are being presented right now are pretty outrageous. And this this one is definitely one of them where the the way these Zionists think is that listen to him. I mean, it sounds like he's saying Jewish blood has salvific value.

SPEAKER_01: 27:29

And and I think it's so important because I'm not uh Jewish, I'm a gentile. And when I did my 23 and media test, I was hoping because there's some Jewish blood in me somewhere. And I found out I I'm hopelessly Gentile. I am like, I am white trash. I'm just well, no, I'm I'm Scottish and Irish. And and I said, you know, my love for the Jewish people came after I came into a relationship with Jesus Christ. I was a confused kid going the wrong way in life. I heard about Jesus. I began to read the Bible, learn your history. That's where my love came for you and for the book that came through you. Everything we have came through the Jewish people. I'm not Jewish. I wouldn't what I did one of those 23andMe tests. I was hoping, you know, I have some Jewish black. Well, I don't think about what these people are saying. He can just toss off that like that.

SPEAKER_08: 28:24

He's like, uh, well, that uh uh Rachel Dolzell, yeah, pretending to be black.

SPEAKER_05: 28:34

It's that is some psychotic thinking, especially when you read the New Testament at all. Like the whole point of it is that we like you are you are sons of the promise through faith, and not like these are the people telling you faith not works. That's just insane, right? Yeah, yeah. These are the people telling you it's faith not works, will save you, and they're like yet.

SPEAKER_08: 28:59

They they think they can be saved by coming up with all these weird, crazy workarounds for Saturdays.

SPEAKER_05: 29:05

Oh my gosh, man, because all of this goes to the the weird Shabbat Shalom stuff that Erica Kirk is doing, and the the like all of this stuff is so strange that it's all happening now, right? Like, I don't I don't know, man. The TP USA stuff is bizarre, man. When when you when you think about what the whole point of the of the arguing on stage is really about, like the whole thing is about Israel, it's what it comes down to. So all of this tension is built up around and all these different factions fighting and and Tucker coming out with I'm not anti-Semitic, but I'm with the with the uh I'm just against the state of Israel stuff. And I I feel like very few people are talking about very few of the Christians that are even uh against the Zionist stuff. Like there's plenty of people talking about how the Jews are behind this and they're behind that, and and it gets very conspiratorial, but very few people talk about like the way the story plays out. Like we have there's very few people talking about how how we we may view them innocently, but they don't view us innocently, like like the way we have handled this conversation, I think, is probably one of the better ways.

SPEAKER_08: 30:28

Like on the the anti-Israel side, you or I don't even like phrasing it that way, but you have the people that are only um anti-state of Israel, right? Someone like say Eric Salmons, for instance. Then you have the people who go way too far, or I don't wouldn't necessarily want to say too far, but go way far into the conspiracy world, like Candace. But you're right, that very few people are looking at it from like a a theological sort of perspective.

SPEAKER_05: 30:56

Yeah, that's it. It's um oh man, is this the new thing I'm saying now? Is this to be fair? No, I think it's me. This one, I don't know, man. I don't know, man. I don't know, man. Guys, look, we all have verbal crunches, all right. I don't know what to tell you. Um, all right, so let's do you want to do salmon's article? All right, I don't care, I didn't read it. I did the way you said that. I love reading salmon's articles. I love me a good Eric Salmons article.

SPEAKER_08: 31:24

Uh yeah, I I I didn't know if I wanted to read that one or uh Kennedy Hall's third uh screed against Nick Fuentes in the last week or two. I don't I don't know what he's going for there.

SPEAKER_05: 31:37

I don't know if he's I don't know. I'm not gonna whatever. But um the the Eric Salmons one, he's basically reiterating what he's reiterated a thousand times. But this one is why I'm uh traditionalist sorta. So the whole beginning of the article goes through like the good things about being a traditionalist, and basically it comes down to like the TLM and uh living, you know, traditional devotions, all that stuff we would agree with. So scroll down. Um, we don't have to read all this. This is not where the good stuff is. Um keep going past when I first started. Um another reason I'm a trad. Okay, so okay, go back up to go up to it's not a natural state, okay, and zoom in on that. Okay. Um, okay, so this is where he starts getting into why he's sort of Catholic. So traditionalist, it's simply not a natural state of being a Catholic to be in a constant state of conflict with the hierarchy. I realize there has been one historical instance when this is necessary is for centuriarianism, and we may be in such a period now, but to recognize how discordant it is as Catholics are default, it should be acceptance of what the hierarchy teaches and practices, yet for Trads, it becomes uh it's become the opposite. Literally, everything said by the Pope and the bishops is held in suspicion. I kind of agree with him.

SPEAKER_08: 32:50

I I do agree with him up to this point, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 32:52

Like there is something unnatural about constantly being at odds with the hierarchy, and and this is what goes to you saying, like, you're you feel like you're always waiting for the other shoe to drop. So, like you do have this air of suspicion uh from everything in the hierarchy now, and that's not a good state, like it's it's really not. You should you you know, you should default to obedience and you should default to trust in the public. It's just it things are just so insane right now. Um, which is why like we've tended to not even discuss the hierarchy, and that's that's another reason why I took that video down, is because I I kind of went against what I said, like I kind of just don't even want to discuss them. So I'll agree with him on this stuff, like um, like having that critical spirit. So, all right, let's scroll down and we'll get into when he starts getting into the conspiracy stuff. Um, so another area that makes me only sort of a traditionalist is the common and increasingly strident opposition to the Jews found in traditionalist communities. Now, I myself have been called a bitter anti-Semite. I don't know why. I really don't know why. He eric has like some of the most like milked toast views on Israel. Of you know, he's he's he has the um libertarian view that we shouldn't give money to the state of Israel, which I don't I don't know. So I'm no Zionist. In fact, I believe Zionism to be a heresy, but there's a distinction to be made between those who oppose the modern political entity of Israel and those who suggest are even outright state. The Jews control the world or the primary cause of most of today's problems. Yeah, um but the Jews do run the world, and there are the yes, like, but I understand not wanting to go down that road constantly. Like, I don't, you know, I don't know if that's a trad thing, though. And like he says here, he's like two of the most public figures, and that can't be Michael Jones and Nick Toentas are decidedly not traditionalists. So this that's not a trad thing. No, I don't think it is, at least. I mean, that may be something that trads do discuss, but it's more just from a historical perspective of understanding what what the role of of the Jews has been because they were dispersed amongst the nations, like they they were limited in what they were allowed to do. There are they if you wanted to borrow money in in the Middle Ages, you were not allowed to lend money as a Catholic, you had to go to a Jew to borrow money. Now they would lend at 40% interest, which was insane, you know, and that's where like usury laws came into pre play. And you would actually get like um kings would come in and wind up borrowing money from from Jews at 40% interest, and then they'd wind up like uh not being able to pay the loan off or reneging on the deal, and then that would eventually lead to a war, and you'd have expulsion of the Jews, expulsion of the Jews, one of the two. So you'd either expel the Jews because you don't want to pay them, or the Jews would have some kind of manipulative authority over you, and they'd be like, Go do our go do this for us to pay off the debt.

SPEAKER_08: 36:00

And like that's kind of like the Rothschilds with uh the British monarchy.

SPEAKER_05: 36:05

Yeah, I mean, that's actually what happened, right? So to say that that's not a conspiracy, that's like that's what happened, right? So bring it bring it back up. We'll keep going through it. Um, because he he gets into uh uh uh the most distasteful example, distasteful example of this delusion of Jewish control is conspiracy theories intended to deny the reality of the Holocaust and to defend Hitler, in spite of the fact that Catholic heroes such as uh St. Maximilian Colby, servant of God, Saint Terez, uh Therese Newman and Dietrich von Hildebrandt, ironically, a godfather of the traditional movement, were adamantly opposed to Nazism and considered it demonic to its core. Too many trad.

SPEAKER_08: 36:45

I was gonna the irony of him putting Saint Maximilian Colby in this is that Eric would call Saint Maximilian Colby an anti-Semite for his views on the Jews in Jewish power.

SPEAKER_07: 36:57

Yeah, because St.

SPEAKER_08: 36:58

Maximilian Colby literally uh quote like he quoted from the pro the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, like is he anti-Semite, Eric?

SPEAKER_05: 37:10

Yeah, and the the thing is, I don't like I don't um there probably were some good things that Hitler tried to do, but yeah, no, I don't think we're I don't think we're pretty praising.

SPEAKER_08: 37:23

I've never heard any Catholic like actually defending Hitler or Nazism.

SPEAKER_05: 37:27

Yeah, and even when Fuentes does it, he's kind of like being ironic and talking about like the aura, you know.

SPEAKER_08: 37:34

He's like he's doing it to force the overton window, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05: 37:38

Yeah, yeah, it's not like you know. Um, so um, for example, traditionalist priest father James Maudsley and his followers have suggested that the Nazi gas chambers were not used to kill Jews in spite of almost overwhelming eyewitness and other evidence. What other so this is what we're getting into because some of the conversations that are starting to be had are like were those eyewitness accounts coerced? And the idea behind can you even question this stuff? Like that that's and and and Eric doing this kind of reinforces people that it's like it's like oh the evil of even questioning these things, and simply you're just asking questions, but it's clear from their line of inquiry that they they wish to downplay or even deny that I don't wish to downplay or deny something happened if it happened. Like I actually wish to get to the facts of the matter and to the truth of it, and that's like actually what we've been trying to do. So, and his followers, he's talking about us, yeah. I would think so. Um, I mean, this can so, and then he gets into uh the stuff about the moon landing. Um since the time that there's arisen throughout the world and throughout the church an attitude that one cannot criticize Jews for any reason whatsoever. Any such criticism is the first step, so the argument goes to another Holocaust, that's ridiculous, and further has led to special status for Jews. One that is understandably resented by a growing number of people, yet denying historical truths is a reactionary and decidedly non-Catholic response.

SPEAKER_08: 39:12

You haven't shown it's a historical truth. All you've done is say that you can't question whether it's an historical truth.

SPEAKER_05: 39:17

Yeah, and and you said there's eyewitness accounts and other evidence, but I mean that's kind of yeah, I don't I don't I don't know where to I don't even know what to do with this. Um yeah, I don't even know what to do with this. It's like it's it's like he I think Eric just wants to be comfortable in um criticizing the state of Israel, but not actually discussing any kind of enmity between Jews and and Christians, right? Like there's just that's not even on the table for him. Because we we had Eric on and we tried to discuss that with him, and it was just like a conversation that wasn't allowed to be had. So that can that can lead to Gavin Ashenden and what he said about us. Wait, what did he say about us? Um, oh, you didn't see that? I'll send it. Hang on.

SPEAKER_08: 40:05

Did you have you already sent it?

SPEAKER_05: 40:07

I don't think I sent it there, but um I will hang on. Let's see.

SPEAKER_08: 40:13

Okay, so I will send this to you know, it's important to note that in the earliest eyewitness testimony, like from uh LE Viesellen stuff, there is no mention of uh gas chambers at Auschwitz.

SPEAKER_05: 40:27

Well, that's what we talked with um E Michael Jones about. E. Michael Jones about. And like what what originally the Holocaust narrative was was about Dachau or Dasho, right? I don't know how to pronounce it. Dachau. Dachau. So that there were um that there were Catholic priests there because Hitler hated Catholics. Like Hitler hated Catholics, and he sent all these Catholic priests to Dachau, and he was starving them. So they prayed, uh they prayed a novena or uh or yeah, they prayed a novena to our lady, and by the end of the novena, uh Goebbels or somebody told told them, like, you cannot starve these priests, you have to feed them, and then eventually these priests get out. Now, after the Holocaust, that is the narrative. It's like that there's meaning to suffering, that prayer and penance that that that war is like a punishment for sin, and that there's meaning to that suffering that comes, and that penance can lead to to um oh no, oh, I'm sorry, atheism, like uh war was like the punishment for atheism, right? Because atheism was growing in Germany, right? And and uh and and that like so go back and watch our E. Michael Jones interview, it really was enlightening because I had never even heard any of that. So then, and then after that, then you know they they can gain control of the narrative and they start changing it to, you know, even the idea of calling it a Holocaust, like you're you're talking about like Jesus Christ is the Holocaust, like He is the final burnt offering.

SPEAKER_10: 42:08

Did Anthony freeze for everyone?

SPEAKER_08: 42:15

Okay, you back?

SPEAKER_05: 42:18

Yeah, I you lost me for a second. Um, so all right, so we'll we'll go to Gavin Ashenden. I just sent it. I got it. Okay, so Gavin continues to take subtle jabs at us and now implies that we're morally complicit for the attacks in Bondi because we platform Father Mosley. So Catholic media and moral complicity. There should not be, should there not be some episcopal repudiation of a celebrated traditionalist priest who makes his name and sells his books by claiming the Jews falsify the Holocaust numbers to galvanize political sympathy for their nationalistic ambitions?

SPEAKER_08: 42:48

First off, right away, that's a straight up lie. His books have nothing to do with the Holocaust narrative.

SPEAKER_05: 42:55

Yeah, they really don't at all.

SPEAKER_08: 42:57

Well, that's just a straight up lie, Gavin.

SPEAKER_05: 43:00

Um, and uh, but the thing is, like even if everything happened exactly the way they claimed, they still do galvanize political sympathy for their nationalistic ambitions with it. Right? Like they do that. So I mean, Kotar is describing the Holocaust as the biggest lie in history. The Holocaust didn't happen, he'll say things like that. Uh, he challenges the word anti-Semitism with one report describing his view that it is completely meaningless, and that history describing the Holocaust or the church's post-Vatican II reforms is misused or being weaponized against traditional Catholics, it's being weaponized against the entire church.

SPEAKER_08: 43:39

I mean anti-Semitism, that word is completely meaningless because of people like you, Gavin Ashenden. Sorry.

SPEAKER_05: 43:47

Yeah, uh, YouTube and X periodically remove him in his pro remove him in protest. In response, some British and American Catholic podcasters and Catholic media. So this is a shot at Catholic Unscripted and us, and probably Theo and Theo. Yeah, if if he comes across his radar. So uh British and American Catholic podcasters and Catholic media platforms coily offer him a voice on their outlets, ostensibly to offer views on liturgy and ethics, but in fact, deliberately choosing to give him oxygen and further pub pub publicity for his denial. Um, yeah, I mean, we've straight up just talked to him about it. I'm not I'm not coily doing anything. Like I've just had Father Maudsley on. Like, I and it's not the the discussing the liturgy stuff is kind of gets to the tied into it.

SPEAKER_08: 44:36

And and actually the the the the denial, if you want to call it that, is to me actually one of the like whether or not it happened or didn't happen, the story of it, true or not, is being used in the way it's being used. It was used to get the Catholic Church to change her liturgy, to change her teachings. It's being used in daily life to get everyone to bow down to the the state of Israel, you know. So whether it happened or not, that's for me that's secondary. To we gotta the story has to lose its power in our lives, yeah. Then maybe we can maybe then we can objectively figure out what actually happened, and have like a rational conversation around things.

SPEAKER_05: 45:24

Um and um yeah, it's just oh man. Uh, and then he and then he wrote another one that's uh uh so he also says uh that the church has a history of anti-Semitism. Oh, this is crazy. So he also seems to be saying that the church has a history of anti-Semitism and that Catholic hatred of Jews is what led to the Holocaust. Um, okay, so let's read what he actually says. There have been, and tragically still are, some deep and unpleasant rivers of anti-Semitism running through the Catholic Church. There is no need to look deeply into his the history of the West and the Church's record of anti-Semitism. There's no need to look deeply into it. I don't know.

SPEAKER_08: 45:59

The next one's disgusting.

SPEAKER_05: 46:02

It's culminated with the Holocaust.

SPEAKER_08: 46:04

So he's saying the church's anti-Semitism may like is is culminated in the Holocaust.

SPEAKER_05: 46:11

Yes, ought to provide a shock greater than any of the combined horrors of our history. The mirror the Holocaust holds up to our face rightly exposes our constant vulnerability to scapegoating and ethnic hatred.

SPEAKER_08: 46:23

No, it first that that first paragraph, I swear I have read that exact paragraph written by numerous liberals. You know what I mean? Like, like that is that is a liberal atheist position right there. Could could have come from the mouth of your average uh lesbian Anglican bishop, Gavin. I thought you left that church.

SPEAKER_05: 46:44

Man, it's just like I I don't I don't know what um I don't know because the whole thing like that you're that you saw happen at TP USA comes down to this. It's like the there's unless you're doing what Gavin's doing, you're going to be accused of anti-Semitism, right? So Megan Kelly is like flat out a Zionist. She's like, Oh, I support the state of Israel. I do that. But like I think maybe maybe you guys should like tone down the rhetoric here. She's an anti-Semite, she's a cow. Like, that's where we're at, where it's the accusation of anti-Semite is just thrown at everybody now, everything. And it doesn't matter what you actually think. And and part of me thinks they're doing that on purpose. Like they're they're not stupid, right? They know that they're purposely they're they're turning people off with what they're doing, and it's it almost seems intentional, like they're trying to rile people up, and they're trying to get these things to like that. I don't know, man. It just a lot of it seems like show show like a show to me. It's uh it's it's all just very bizarre. So yeah, so you know the accusations from from Gavin. Um I don't know. I I'm uh try trying to just handle this conversation in a way that doesn't seem like we're conspiracy theorists or anything like that. Like, I don't I don't know how I don't know how else you go about this conversation. Like, I go into it with an open mind. Um I want if if we're Catholic, like I want to hold the Catholic position on this. But when you look into what the church has always taught on this, it's very consistent up to a very specific period in time, and that's the war. Once World War II happens, it's like the Catholic position just kind of gets deflated. It doesn't even change, it just gets deflated. And then after Noshra Tate, all we're talking about is God wills the diversity of religions and the Abrahamic faith house and things like that. It's I don't know, man. Like I how how do people not see the connection there? I don't know. That's all I see is the connection there.

SPEAKER_08: 48:57

You know, and and I mean, uh, I'll say that I I still fall on the side that like something like the Holocaust happened, you know, that the Nazis did that the Nazis did target and and purposefully kill Jews.

SPEAKER_05: 49:12

And that doesn't mean I'm gonna turn in camps and did all that, yeah. That's right, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 49:17

But that doesn't mean I'm gonna sit back and let someone like Gavin Ashton slander a good and holy priest like Father Modsley just for having the gall of bringing up, you know, uh questioning the a historical event. We can question every other historical event in history and let except that one. Why?

SPEAKER_05: 49:34

That's the question, why and and and and the and the whole like the the the hatred of ethnic this or that like no i have not heard a single person like talk about any kind of violence of any kind, they're just we're just talking about like how absurd everything is in in in our faces right now.

SPEAKER_08: 49:57

Father Modsley went to prison for years when he was younger fighting for a different ethnicity than him, and you have the temerity to call him names, Gavin Ashington. Are you joking me?

SPEAKER_05: 50:08

Yeah, he's he's liberal cuck. He's he's such a weird dude, man. Like, it's so funny. If you if you listen to him talk about Protestants, he will go on these vile rants about Protestants, he'll say things about like uh Calvin Robinson that you're just like and that's like a person he knows, yeah. Like he'll say some of the most mean, vicious things about someone he knows. This is why um when when you when you get down to it, when whenever you get to people who um who who push for things like like Gavin is, and that goes for things like immigration, also, right? Like people who are who are pushing these platitudes, pushing these platitudes for some far-off thing that they never actually encounter to virtue signal. It's like I'm for immigration. That's because you live in a super white neighborhood where you don't have to deal with like the actual consequences of immigration. I'm I defend the Jews. That's because it makes you look like you're some moral grandstander, but you don't actually care about this issue. But then it comes to a person you actually know and you're ruthlessly mean to them, right? Like that, that's that's the difference, right? So these people that push for immigration, they have all these problems in their own family because they can love some far-off idea because it never actually touches their life, and it's like, oh, I I'm a virtuous person, I support immigration, but then you you you don't speak to your child or you don't speak to your sister, yeah, yeah, because they wore a mega hat once, yeah, because they disagree with them on politics. Gavin will cut people out of his life because they disagree with his friends and partners. I mean, that's what it seems like, right? Like they had a conversation with Father Maudsley, and he just ends the relationship. Like that to me, like, don't talk to me about the moral complicity and the knock it off. You're not a good man, like you're not a good guy, you are a fraud, like in all honesty, you're not you're not actually like this. You put on the airs with this proper, prim and proper. I have I speak like I'm a an aristocrat from England, and I must say I was the chaplain to the queen, but I will screw over the people who actually mean something to me in my life because I disagree with them. Like, I don't actually care what you think of me, Gavin. I'm going to be honest. You're not actually a good person. You can pretend you are, and you may you may fool people with your uh your accent and make it like you're a good man, but I I see what you do to people, like the things you've said about Calvin Robinson and the way you just kind of abandon Catholic Unscription. Like, I'm sorry, but like you're not you don't fool me in even the slightest bit, and I didn't even mean to go here with this conversation. I didn't mean to go here with this conversation, but I'm just so tired of people pretending they're good people. Like, do not do that. Like, this isn't this isn't you and me putting on airs like we'll be the first to admit like better than us, people way better than us. I'm good to the people in my life. Like, I have other than my son who I yelled at before for breaking my chair. He did like I have good relationships with my family, like I have eight siblings, we all get along, we all love one another, and we disagree about a lot, but like the people God put in my life, I love and I do the best I can to to be a good brother, a good husband, a good father. I do everything I can to do that, but I'm critical of like this thing that I see could be an issue in the culture because I'm I'm really worried about it, so that's a that's an issue that I'm I'm very concerned with. Um, uh like when things comes to things like immigration. Yeah, I see what this is doing to the communities in my country. So, yes, I'm going to speak out about that. That doesn't make me uh uncharitable. Like, and yes, I'm going to defend myself against these insane accusations by Gavin Ashenden. Because it's actually like the subtle not at not saying our name, but just like it's like the the what do you call that? Like uh when you tweet somebody like that. Uh subtweeting. Subtweeting. It's like like this subtweet that you're doing about me. Like everybody knows who you're talking about, but don't throw shots at me because I don't first off, I've never done it to you. I don't like come out of the game. I when we addressed your conversation with Scott Hahn, I was very respectful to you. But this is just bizarre. Like saying I'm morally complicit in the Bondy attacks because we're having these conversations with Father Maudsley, stop it. Like, I'm just I'm just not I don't know, man. I'm just not fooled by people. I I kind of know I know I know when I'm pretty good judge of character. So I don't know. All right, we can end this. I what I would like to actually do on locals. I have I have a very personal story that happened to me that the you know the woman propaganda kid who got slapped, and then he he was really embarrassed by the slap.

SPEAKER_08: 55:22

I haven't watched a second. You haven't watched the video?

SPEAKER_05: 55:24

Okay, well, the this the I would have I know what you're talking about. I would have done it on this side, but there's bad language in the video. Um, but he he basically he went to an event and some guy came out and smacked him in the face, and the kid ran away, and everybody lambasted him, and he was mortified and embarrassed. And so he tried to like you know come back from it, and he goes back and he flew across the country to some other event this guy was at, and he tried to get in his face, and he tried acting like a tough guy and fight and he made a total fool of himself, even worse. I I want to I want to tell us a personal story that happened to me that could can help anybody that's in a situation like that, I think. Um because these things do happen to us in life where you you mean to you you you cower down in a situation and you think you might even think you're doing the right thing in the moment because you're like you're swallowing your pride in the moment, and you're like, all right, I'm not I'm not going to get into a fight in this situation, but then you then you leave and it eats at your soul because you should have you'd have been better off getting your teeth kicked in and going to the hospital than looking like a fool. Um, a body and blight and crisis consulting. So that's what we're gonna do on the other side. So um at at at least one of the things we're gonna do on the other side, and we'll do some other stuff.

SPEAKER_08: 56:50

So if you guys are not local supporters, I feel like we should have switched sides, probably.

SPEAKER_05: 56:54

I probably should have done the Gavin thing over there. I look I started that, that's my bad. Yeah, you got me riled up. I wasn't even gonna go.

SPEAKER_08: 57:02

Well, I was yeah, it was getting me riled up.

SPEAKER_05: 57:05

I saw you getting man calling him a liberal and all right, we're gonna do this, we'll do this. Look, guys, I'm sorry, sometimes sometimes things come out. Um yeah, wow. This show, this show is uh everybody say this is definitely a local segment. Well, here's the thing if you enjoyed that segment, that's kind of what we do on locals. So if you if you enjoyed that, please come over and join our locals.

SPEAKER_08: 57:36

That's where that's where we still don't like swearing on locals like I did just now. So that's you gotta keep it cool, Rob. You can't be dropping F bombs. That's uh it's been a week of being miserably sick. You know, like I have energy for the first time in a week.

SPEAKER_05: 57:49

Yeah, I threw a chair across my basement because my I saw that I saw that and heard that. Yeah, I kind of came into this show a little riled up. All right, so we're gonna go over to locals and I'm gonna I'm gonna try and I'm gonna try and explain how woman propaganda could have handled that, salvaged his reputation, and not destroyed his career by being a total idiot. Like he's just he just looks even more foolish than he was. So come over to locals and we'll talk over there. Uh that's a good point. So many Holocaust movies. How many holodomore movies can you think of?

SPEAKER_08: 58:24

Not a one.

SPEAKER_05: 58:25

All right, take us out, Rob.

SPEAKER_08: 58:27

Do we have any good? I didn't get that song from Enoch up yet.

SPEAKER_05: 58:30

Uh I yeah, there's this that you know what I want to plug Enoch's song. Uh can we just play that song going out?

SPEAKER_08: 58:41

If you gave me three, four minutes, maybe you can't get it up. Well, hold on. Yeah, you know what? I bet if I just go, I bet I can. I can find it. Give me a second, everyone. Yeah, I can find something.

SPEAKER_05: 58:52

Um man. Oh, we have another good video of these three three young black kids that stole a car and crashed. We could tell we could do that over on locals too. Uh yeah, so uh all right. So the uh I'm sorry, three young boys in Ohio, ages 8, 11, and 12, led police on a chase and a stolen car before crashing into a home authority. Said police reported the 11-year-old was behind the wheel and three fled on foot. When questioned by investigators, the boys said they went to a store when they spotted a vehicle. One boy allegedly said that something just came over his body and he could not control it. He needed to take the car. I want to talk about that. And we have the video of the cops running up on the kids. But let's let's go out of the show with this Enoch song. Like, if you guys don't have Enoch album, go download it. This song, I don't know, man. I love this freaking song. It was such a good one. So we'll we'll end with this.

SPEAKER_03: 59:58

I don't want Joey.

SPEAKER_08: 1:01:18

Were you getting rid of them?

SPEAKER_05: 1:01:20

I wanted to end it before that other guy's verse came on because I hate that other guy's verse.

unknown: 1:01:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 1:01:26

And I didn't like it.

SPEAKER_08: 1:01:27

I saw the destination start to disappear.

SPEAKER_05: 1:01:29

I'm like, I don't like that other guy's verse. No hate on Enoch, just that other guy's verse. I'm not crazy. But it's just not good. Like when Enoch does a song and he has like a feature on it, I'm just like, why are you even featuring this guy's guy's sucks? And and Taffy, Enoch's not gonna hit us with a copyright. Like he's like, because Taffy said, uh, he goes, getting mad at me for putting a song, and you put a whole Enoch song in the show. Yeah, Enoch won't hit us with a copyright. That's the difference. Yeah, right here he said it. And complains about Taffy playing music in the intro, then demands Rob playing the entire Enoch song.

SPEAKER_08: 1:02:03

Like how Taffy's talking about Taffy.

SPEAKER_05: 1:02:05

In the third person. Yeah. He's trying to prevent people from finding out that's it. I know, I know. Um, was that too far with um I went too far, probably.

SPEAKER_08: 1:02:17

I called him a liberal cuck. Yeah, that was a bit much Rob. I can't, I couldn't. Sorry.

SPEAKER_05: 1:02:26

That was uh I know you are sad. And honestly, I probably wouldn't have cared about that intro, but like I came in just so annoyed tonight.

SPEAKER_08: 1:02:37

It's a lot funnier if you if like I've seen that meme uh probably a thousand times on Instagram in the last week, and every time I see it, I'm like, is that Ant? I'm like, No, that's John Hamp.

SPEAKER_05: 1:02:47

So the uh all right, so the um my my son had his friends over for his birthday, and they were all in the basement, but like I have a rule like don't touch anything on my side of the basement. Like, I just I don't I don't care if you have your friends over, just don't touch anything on my side of the basement. And his friends came over and they broke the back of the chair, like the chair is just like flopped back, so I would have had to like hold myself up, so I would flip it. I was like, I told you don't bring your freaking friends on my side of the basement. It's one thing I ask you, I don't care if you have a movie, and I was like screaming, flipping out. I took the chair, I threw it across the room, so I was like kind of fumed up at that, and then we come on and opens to that, and I'm like, You played another song.

SPEAKER_08: 1:03:30

Then I hear Nick fiddling around with the chair, and he's like, No, dad, I fix it, I I fix it, it's fine. And then it comes back and no, you didn't affect it. I stopped broken.

SPEAKER_06: 1:03:40

I'm like, Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05: 1:03:42

Something's going on with my my live chat and the locals, like it keeps like snapping all over the place. What's going on with it? Um, oh why does it keep doing that? It just like keeps like scrolling all over the place.

SPEAKER_08: 1:03:55

I don't know, it's fine for me.

SPEAKER_05: 1:03:58

This is really weird. Um, yeah, Bobby has a good point. Like, for especially for um anybody that wants to come on the pilgrimage, if you're like you're getting your you're getting your tax check back soon. So that's a good down payment deposit. So all right. So let's let's play the two videos from the woman propaganda kid.

SPEAKER_08: 1:04:21

Which one? Which one do we see?

SPEAKER_05: 1:04:22

Um the I put two of them in there. You're gonna play them in the order I put them, let me see.

SPEAKER_08: 1:04:27

Okay. I can do the order you put them in. That's easier.

SPEAKER_05: 1:04:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11: 1:04:38

Man, what the heck is going on with my live chat?

SPEAKER_05: 1:04:45

Yeah, those are look, I'm gonna try and get some single girls on this pilgrimage.

SPEAKER_08: 1:04:50

You gotta start phrasing them differently.

SPEAKER_05: 1:04:53

Well, I'm saying, like, I want to see if we can I wanna I wanna outdo Tim Gordon's matchmaking thing. Like, I want to be able to say You only need like three, four, five then. I want but I want to be able to say we we we made some love connections down there.

SPEAKER_08: 1:05:08

Once again, phrasing, please.

SPEAKER_05: 1:05:10

Something else. All right, we'll figure it out. You guys know what I mean. Dude, there is something like my um my dude, my live chat just keeps like flipping out. I feel like somebody's got control of my computer right now.

SPEAKER_08: 1:05:22

Take friends broke your damn locals, too.

SPEAKER_05: 1:05:26

What is going on here? Like every time I scroll to the bottom to see the latest comment, it just flips right back up to the top. And I don't know, it's really bizarre. All right, let's play this video. So, this is the first one. This is what happened to the kid the first time.

SPEAKER_10: 1:05:42

You invited him to your fucking club! You gave him a ticket to the club! Whoa! Whoa! Okay, and he runs away.

SPEAKER_08: 1:05:54

First off, getting assaulted by the penguin like that.

SPEAKER_05: 1:05:57

The guy literally looks like the penguin.

SPEAKER_10: 1:05:59

What the fuck happened?

SPEAKER_08: 1:06:02

Okay, that's probably all you can see in that one, huh?

SPEAKER_05: 1:06:04

Yeah, so the kid runs away, runs over and catches his friend. So then the other one is a week later. So now after that happens, this kid gets destroyed online. Everybody's like, like Jason was even going off. He's like, sorry, kid, like at that point, you've you gotta fight back. Like, even if you get the crap kicked out of you, you have to fight back at that point. So the kid took a lambasting online for a week straight, and he finally said, I have to do something about this. And he goes and he finds out where the guy's gonna be, and he goes back, and this is how he handles it.

SPEAKER_10: 1:06:41

So look, he's just like trying to start a fight with anybody he can.

SPEAKER_08: 1:07:01

First off, is that Michael Fassbender there in a turtleneck?

SPEAKER_05: 1:07:05

No, but but also the kids got bodyguards with them.

SPEAKER_08: 1:07:11

Who the hell are these people?

SPEAKER_05: 1:07:15

You can finish that video. Let's see if it goes anywhere else. I don't know if there's anything else to it.

SPEAKER_11: 1:07:28

You're telling people that you agree you're glad they enjoyed the video. I didn't think so.

SPEAKER_10: 1:07:41

I don't think you are actually sorry.

SPEAKER_11: 1:07:46

I don't see that in the video or the pictures you're gonna do anything. My problem is that you've emboldened all my haters to come after me, man. I really hope they don't. I would never want to. That's what I'm that's my listen. Like, bro, just take the I'm not the one that person ever gets bringing on the video. I'm not gonna put it. People are calling you a hero and a patriot for slapping me. You've emboldened other people that hate me to do this and they should not be doing it. Look at this on camera. So you're saying nobody should come fucking. No one should come with him for any reason. You apologize to Randy, too. That's Randy. Who's Randy? I'm trying to apologize to Randy. He had to come all the way. He's trying to be tough. It's too late. Randy was inconvenienced to be here. It's a fun party. I haven't talked about it yet. I didn't even need it. I don't think it's okay.

SPEAKER_08: 1:08:38

I can't take any more.

SPEAKER_05: 1:08:39

Yeah, we don't have to finish it. So, all right. So, look. When I was when I was 18, I went to a Metallica concert with my at the time girlfriend, my wife now.

SPEAKER_08: 1:08:48

They want to know what the point of this is. The point is so that Anthony can tell this story.

SPEAKER_05: 1:08:53

Yes. So I'm when I was 18, I go to a Metallica concert with my wife at the Nashville Coliseum. And we're walking through the parking lot, and there's a group of like 10 guys hanging out, tailgating in the parking lot, drunk. And I'm walking with my wife, and some guy goes, I'd hit it to my wife. And my wife turns around, she's like, What the F did you just say? And she starts like flipping. And I just grabbed her and I said, Knock it off, let it go. Let's go into the concert. Like, I will, I'm not about to get, I'm not about to fight 10 guys that had a couple of beers and look like an idiot. Like I just didn't feel like going to the hospital. So I grabbed her, I'm like, knock it off. Like, I I don't, I'll never tolerate. I hate when women get their men into fights. Yeah. But like somebody disrespected my girl and I did nothing about it. And that ate at me for a very long time, like for years. Okay. And I justified it in my head by go, like I made it to her. I'm like, look, you know, sometimes you gotta swallow your pride and you gotta just walk away. But that ate at me so bad because I something in her, I like in my head, I'm like, something in her is gonna think like he won't defend me. And it just sat there and it was never like I never like verbalized it or anything, but just like deep in my soul, I made a vow that I will never ever be in that position again. Like I don't care. I would there are some things that happen in your life that you have to risk your safety to spare your dignity. You just do like it's worth it to end up in a hospital because if you don't, like your dignity suffers, and sometimes like the the wound it will give to your soul is worse. So a couple of years later, and I've told this story on air, I think. We're at a restaurant, and I'm there with another couple, me and my wife, and another couple, and there's a group of like eight or nine guys all drinking at the bar, and this one guy staring at my wife, staring at my wife, and I'm just sitting there and I'm watching them, and I'm like, okay, better not open your mouth. He walks up behind my wife and tugs on her scarf to get her attention. And I see it. And he's there with 10 of his friends. I grabbed this kid by the throat and threw him into a glass window so hard, I cannot believe I didn't break the glass window. I lost my shit on this kid in front of his 10 friends, scared the living crap out of him. I my wife was like, What are you doing? What are you doing? I'm like, because that happened to me in the parking lot with the Metallica concert, like, I don't care. I am not letting that ever happen again. So we're still standing at the bar, and he's outside with his 10 friends, and they're all talking about how they're gonna kick the crap out of me. Like they, the kid's acting tough outside with his friends around him. I go, I'll be right back. I walked outside in front of all 10 of his friends, and I lit up a cigarette and I just stood there and I go, What do you want to do? The kid didn't do a thing. I felt like I redeemed myself, bro. Like I was ready to fight 10 guys to recover my dignity, and I did, but that's the point. Like, this kid goes back and he goes to recover his dignity, and he totally made it worse. He, if you're gonna go back, he made it worse. If he if you're gonna go back there, bro, you don't go with bodyguards, you go there outnumbered, and you throw a punch and get your ass kicked, bro. Your your handle says five foot seven alpha male, like most of your content is you criticizing men, not acting like men, you lost that ability forever, forever. You lost that ability. Now you could have after the first incident, come on here and gone. I can't believe I did that. I was in the moment and I and I pussied out, like I did, like you kind of just have to own it and just admit it and say, Look, this happened, and I can't like I don't know why, but I like fear struck me, and and I just ran. And that will never happen again. But you don't go back looking for something if you're not going to stand your ground and like actually do so. Like what you did was went and picked the fight with a guy that had nothing to do with it. You tried to look tough, like you went back in there, you should have just thrown a punch at that point, and like hit the guy that smacked you. You smacked some other random kid. The other guy, and the thing is the guy that did hit him was kind of like apologetic. It's like, oh dude, I didn't, you know, like at that point, it is what it is. You got smacked, and you and you you just kind of a lot of a lot of people when they get themselves into these situations, they they need to understand that just admitting where you went wrong is the best best route, and not try to cover it up and make excuses for it, just go in like you're in a confessional and just bear your soul and like admit you were afraid, something you know, like same thing with voice of reason with that whole thing. Like, if he would have just came out and actually said, Yes, I did all these things, instead of like his comeback could have been possible, but the way he went about it, this him popping back up with his five-month reprieve and then trying to slip in a video and all of his like after threatening to sue everyone who was sharing the stuff. But I just I cannot get over the people encouraging him to come back, but it's like the the whole like still not actually saying what you did, and oh my spiritual father, he told me I could go on this platform because it's a private platform and it's not a public entity. And it's like, meanwhile, you're saying this on a public YouTube video, and you're going and being interviewed on other public platforms, like it's just so disingenuous. I don't understand how people fall for it.

SPEAKER_08: 1:14:57

Uh one from listening to your stories, one thing is very abundantly clear. Bobby and I are gonna have to go through use of force laws with you before you ever start to carry a gun.

SPEAKER_05: 1:15:08

Yes, yeah, we that's not the only time I've gotten a an altercation because of that original Metallica incident.

SPEAKER_08: 1:15:16

Another time, another time if you ever escalate something, right? You lose the ability to defend yourself with the weapon.

SPEAKER_05: 1:15:24

Yeah, if you start it, if you start the altercation, start it or escalate it, you can't you lose that right, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:15:31

Unfortunately, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:15:32

You have you have if you're armed, you have to retreat, you have a duty to retreat.

SPEAKER_08: 1:15:36

Well, I mean, not in all situations, not in all situations escalate a fight, no, right.

SPEAKER_05: 1:15:40

Like, and and that is actually an act of mercy, it is, but no, you're right. That's an act of mercy. Like, I am armed, I will kill you. I'm not going to escalate this situation. That's not the same thing as what I'm talking about. Like, what that guy did, like they they nobody was armed in that situation. That was just that was just some guy emasculated me in front of my girl, and I just swore I'd never let that happen again. Right. So another time we were walking out of a bar and some guy whispered in my girl's ear, and I just threw a drink in his face and threw a punch at him. Like, I just I had a lot of reclaiming my masculinity after that incident. Let's just put it that way. Like there was a while there where my wife was just like, I'm I like, are you gonna are you gonna seriously keep I'm like, no, I'm fine, don't worry about it. Like, I just I had to get a few incidents out of my system because that thing happened, and like I needed my wife to know, like, there's nobody's going to ever disrespect you in front of me. I don't care if I die. Like, Solitarious, yes, I read your story, okay. How is the story? Because I didn't read it. It was hilarious. Was it? Yeah. Should we read it on air? Is it that funny? How long is it?

SPEAKER_08: 1:16:56

Depends how many stories it's gonna make you tell.

SPEAKER_05: 1:17:00

Why it's got it like branches off into the next thing? No, I just never know how long anything is with you. Listen, I mean, then somebody's gotta keep the show going, right? No, dude, that cabin rant. I don't know where that came from, but man, gave people a little treat towards the end of the show.

SPEAKER_08: 1:17:20

No, I mean yeah, and you and I know even more to the story that makes it. That's how much we are angry.

SPEAKER_05: 1:17:28

Yeah, we have to be careful. Yeah, um, we we could discuss public stuff, but um man, I'm gonna have to hear it from Catherine and Mark tomorrow.

SPEAKER_08: 1:17:40

Tell them, well, if they don't like it, tell them I'm sorry. If they do like it, don't say that.

SPEAKER_06: 1:17:48

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_05: 1:17:52

I just I'm not kidding when I say that. Like, he's not a good dude.

SPEAKER_08: 1:17:59

You're not and you're not saying the way like you're a worse dude than us. It's like, no, you're a worse dude than you make yourself out to be.

SPEAKER_05: 1:18:06

Nah, I just think he's a fraud, like in all honesty. Like, I just think he I think I think guys like that who moral grandstand and like I'm not this is the moral complicity, like, just knock it off, man.

SPEAKER_08: 1:18:18

Like, stop if if you ever say someone is morally complicit in something, just stop it, man. He probably should just stop it, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:18:26

Just stop it, like, come on, like you want to have a conversation about the issue, we can do that, but don't act like I'm some villain for having a conversation with Father Mosley. Like, and by the way, that's why people don't generally go after us, is because we let lose a little, yeah. Like, like, we're not gonna be nice.

SPEAKER_08: 1:18:47

Like, I'm kind of surprised we did keep some of the private details private there. Uh, that he started it claws, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_05: 1:18:58

He did start it. Don't pick fights with me, Mo. It ain't gonna go well for you, all right. Look, here's the thing: I am very agreeable.

SPEAKER_08: 1:19:10

If he wanted to come on the show and have a conversation about it, we'd we would have been totally up for that.

SPEAKER_05: 1:19:15

But you but you guys have seen, like, I've had people on the show that like I flat out disagree with, and I'm very nice to them. Like, I have a very hard time being mean to someone that's being nice to me. Where if I usually get lambassed by the audience for it because I'm being too nice and too agreeable, but like once somebody crosses a line with me, like I'm going to go for what I know. Like, I if I know there's a vulnerability there, I'm gonna go for it. And I know there's a vulnerability there. I know there is because like he like the things he said about Calvin Robinson are awful. Like, I've never actually heard any of them. Oh, they're vile.

SPEAKER_08: 1:19:53

Are they vile?

SPEAKER_05: 1:19:54

Yeah, and I could even tell you a story that I don't know if I'm allowed to actually reveal publicly. Oh, I can I can say it without saying names.

SPEAKER_08: 1:20:02

Well, we're according to Vor, we're private right now because we're not Well, I can say it without without saying names. Um so someone says when Gordon crosses the line, it will be World War III. Gordon knows better.

SPEAKER_05: 1:20:19

I hope so.

SPEAKER_06: 1:20:21

I hope so.

SPEAKER_05: 1:20:25

I hope so for everybody because I don't want to do, I don't ever want to, but like if you if you put like if there's public information out there about you, like I I'm gonna, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna go for it. I'm just saying, like, I'm not, I'm I could be vicious. I could be vicious when I have to be. Um the uh so this person um met Gavin at a conference, and they went up to the they went up to Gavin and they were like, they were like, oh hi. They they because they they knew him from our show. They're like, oh we're we're friends with Anthony, and um, and we're also really good friends with Gavin uh with uh Calvin Robinson. And he unloaded on this person. Really? About how Calvin Robinson um he needs to make up his mind, he's just uh he he wants to have his cake and eat it too, and just like went off and then wound up yelling at this per yelling at this person and telling them, I feel sorry for you that you're friends with him. And it's like Gavin, I mean, Calvin never said anything like even remotely controversial about Gavin. Like he never said anything even slightly off-handed about Gavin. I don't I don't even know where the vitriol comes from, but he like it was like this anger, and he got red in the face as he was yelling this thing, and it was just very bizarre behavior.

SPEAKER_08: 1:22:01

So it's like is it because Calvin suddenly became like England's most notable clergyman or instead of Gavin?

SPEAKER_05: 1:22:09

It might be something like that, or it might just it might be because Calvin hasn't come into the church or something, but and maybe he didn't like that Catholics were kind of like talking with him like he was because Calvin um will say he's Catholic, but he's not in the church, so I don't know if that's what it is. I don't I have no idea, but the point is like if you're like I'm friends with Calvin. Um I don't I'm I may have like some issues with some of the theological issues, like I may have some theological tension with Calvin, he's my friend. He's never been nothing but genuine and good to us, genuinely kind to me, like he he's a friend, so I'm not I I the there is something to say about friendship that you like you don't trash your friends for for no reason. I mean, there's gotta be something really major like to to to publicly do that, you know. So and Gavin was friends with Calvin, they were on the BBC programs together, they were having conversations publicly, and then one day Gavin just decided to destroy that relationship because he will say the most vile things about Protestants, but if you applied what he says about Protestants to Jews, oh my gosh, forget it. I like I haven't said anything even remotely as bad about Jews as he has said about Protestants. Yep and it's it's really strange behavior to me. I don't get it. Um let me see what else we got. You want to do the um you wanna do the uh the black kids um and the cops video?

SPEAKER_08: 1:23:44

I gotta make it about race.

SPEAKER_05: 1:23:46

Well, you'll think. I'm not making about race.

SPEAKER_08: 1:23:52

Um where is that video?

SPEAKER_05: 1:23:58

Oh, it's right under my locals tonight. It's a pretty crazy video. Ann should take his son's best friend on the pilgrimage. He broke my chair.

SPEAKER_08: 1:24:17

I don't know how Ant spending four grand and taking the kid to the pilgrimage is gonna help.

SPEAKER_05: 1:24:22

I um uh this pilgrimage is costing me money. Let's just put it that way. I'm not making anything on this pilgrimage because I'm taking my family. Um well, at least you can do that. I probably won't even be able to do that. Bernadette says Calvin is a wonderful person or true friend. Okay, so well that that's it. Like this pilgrimage is um it's kind of a pilot program that we're running, right? I I don't know how it's going to sell, I don't know how it's going to go. If we see we can sell it out, then next year we do something like a five-day pilgrimage and we go to Mexico. And Rob can come on that because maybe hope and the kids can come. Even if hope and the kids have to like do something in Mexico, like and they can't do the hiking like us, at least they could come, you know. Like, let's say, like whatever the the poor that we're doing is if it's too much for hope.

SPEAKER_08: 1:25:16

Like you'd be fair in a year and a half, there's probably gonna be like a war with the Mexican cartels happening, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_05: 1:25:25

But we'd like to go to the Shrine of Aureli Guadalupe, something like that, or even something in the United States, or something.

SPEAKER_08: 1:25:30

Like, we'll we'll we can have your images up um for like the North American martyrs in Canada or something, something like that.

SPEAKER_05: 1:25:37

Go to Montreal. This is this is just the pilot program to see what we're capable of drawing, and if we can draw two buses, then we can do it because one bus isn't enough for both of us, like it's just not enough money involved for us both to go.

SPEAKER_08: 1:25:51

But if we can fill two buses, because if if we have one bus and we all both bring our whole families, that's one-third of the seats that we're literally paying for. And correct, yeah, it's not gonna work.

SPEAKER_05: 1:26:02

So, but if we could fill two buses, one of those buses is for you, one of those is for me, and now we can afford to bring our families and we can go do the trip. Like, that's how it'll have to be, and then you'll actually be on one of the buses, I'll be on the other bus. We'll switch it around, make sure everybody gets time with both of us. Like, there just like there are temperaments for like with all the podcast hosts. Like, some people like your temperament better, some people like mine better. It's just the way our show works.

SPEAKER_08: 1:26:27

That's why whichever one you like better, you're getting stuck with my six-year-old Maddie. Sorry.

SPEAKER_05: 1:26:33

But that's kind of why our show works. I think I think our total opposite personalities is why everybody enjoys our show. Because if I'm too much for somebody, they kind of like you. If you're too quiet for somebody, they like me, you know. Yep. Um, we can go visit the tomb of Hernan Cortez. This bust ain't big enough for the both of us. Um, Paul, I oh man, uh uh Paul's got little kids, but I would love it if Paul came.

SPEAKER_08: 1:27:01

Listening into Rob Spanish. Rob doesn't have Spanish.

SPEAKER_05: 1:27:08

Um, yeah. Well, I'll say, look, the Italy trip is going to be um, we we're putting less things in it than we did for Patrick's. Like when I went with Patrick, we it was so jam-packed that you didn't have any downtime. I picked like three days where you just kind of just get to walk around whatever city you're in. Like you can have kind of like almost a free day in Rome to go do what you want, you can have a free day in Capri to go do what you want, you can have a free day in Assisi to kind of do what you want. Because it was just so much that Patrick packed into that trip, which was good, don't get me wrong, but it was almost too much. Like we wanted to hang out with one another, and we were just so rushed to the next thing, rush to the next thing, rush to the next thing. Right. And I I want to plan this one where when you're in St. Peter's, you're not being rushed out of St. Peter's because you got to go to the next thing. Like, if you want to sit with the PA top for 10 minutes, 15 minutes, and just meditate on it, you're gonna be able to do that because we kind of got rid of a couple of things that I think were less like they I don't want to say underwhelming because everything in Rome is amazing, but I want to spend more time with those things that were just so awe-inspiring that you could sit and take it in. We are going to do a papal audience of Pope Leo.

SPEAKER_08: 1:28:28

Oh no, I wonder if anybody there show you what I got bash for Christmas.

SPEAKER_05: 1:28:35

Maybe what?

SPEAKER_08: 1:28:39

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is a papal blessing for his uh baptism.

SPEAKER_05: 1:28:46

That's pretty awesome. That's pretty cool. But the thing is, the last time I went, it was Francis was the Pope. We went for the papal audience, and I was just like, I don't care to be here. But like going with Leo, he might speak in English. Like, I'm I'm kind of excited to go, you know. Go sit at a papal audience, check it out.

SPEAKER_08: 1:29:09

Um, what if a body read my story for our bedtime? Hey, buy a ticket for the pilgrimage, and he'll read it to everyone every night before bed.

SPEAKER_05: 1:29:21

Um, pilgrimage in Canada would be good. Started Our Lady of the Cape and the Midland. It's like taking a tour of Canadian Catholic history. And Canada is so Catholic, too. It's just the French it was, yeah. Well, it was at least, you know, it's sad what's happened to it, but we can go see uh the parts of the I Confess where that was. Um, somebody said that's a good idea because um uh they have one of their most amazing experiences. I I can't find it because the stupid chat keeps jumping on me. Um it's really selling us on this barely planned McDonald's for dinner.

SPEAKER_08: 1:30:05

Bobby says I pick smoking, I picked up smoking again in St. Peter's Square, thinking how my first people audience had to be Francis. He's not wrong.

SPEAKER_05: 1:30:15

I didn't really like you. Me and Bobby, first off, that's the other thing. Um, because if any of the because a few people email me that are local supporters, um have a hard time getting the words out. Bobby and I are now best friends. Like, I I I see Bobby more than I see my brothers at this point. He's at everything, like he's uh he's been on vacation with me twice, he's coming to my house for New Year's Eve. I'm sorry, Rob, you just live too far, but Bobby's in touch. But you've met Bobby, like Bobby met Bobby, yeah. Bobby, Bobby is like family at this point.

SPEAKER_08: 1:30:57

Yeah, but I yeah, I mean, I get it. I like Bobby more than you, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:31:02

Um, so the but not just Bobby. The people we went to Banff with, they're like my family now, you know. So Tara, Jason, Gloria, Mary Teresa, Konomi, Patrick, like we are all so close. We talk every day. Like, that's kind of what happens on these pilgrimages, is you develop bonds with people. I'm bringing my daughters with me, I'm bringing my son with me. Um, I'm hoping other I'm hoping there's other young women that go. So my daughters don't feel like they're the only girls there, but a couple of girls already emailed me. I don't know how old they are, but I don't care if you're older, younger. Like Gloria is 69, uh, Mary Teresa is like 64 or something. Like there's definitely gonna be an older, a couple of older people there, but then the the I'm assuming the majority are going to be men between 25 and 45. So we're trying to make the pilgrimage cheap because I figured a lot of you guys to be able to swing it, you know. That's what dude, Taylor's Taylor's is 5300, Josh's is 5300. Like all these pilgrimages are very expensive. They're and then and that and flights on top of that. So we're choosing December because flights are$500 around trip, like they're cheap as anything. And when you go to Italy in December, the place is empty. Like you we're gonna go to Monte Casino and have the whole monastery to ourselves. We're going to Capri. Nobody, nobody vacations in Capri in December. It's just gonna be empty. Pompeii is going to be empty. We're going to all these places, it's gonna be empty. It really is the greatest time in the world to go, so that's why we're going that time. Um, I'm gonna then oh, the priest thing. So I asked the first priest I asked already. He is a fan of our show, he watches our show, and I was like, that's perfect. Because he's like he's like 40 years old, he's been a priest for like 12, 13 years. He says both forms, he's a diocesan TLM priest. I was like, this is perfect. He he's the priest of a Spanish parish, and they have a very deep devotion to Our Lady of Guadalupe, and they start a novena on like December, what is it, the 12th, like the December 3rd, and it runs to the feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe. So he's like, I just can't do it in December. He's like, if you want to move it back to November, I can come. So the first priest is not gonna be able to make those dates. So my next option is my parish priest who's retired. So I'm going to ask him next because he comes on the first and third Sunday of every month to say the Latin Mass. So he also says both forms. So I'm gonna see if I could get him next. I'll see him on New Year's Day for the feast of the Holy Family. So I'm gonna ask him then. If that falls through, I have one more option that's close, and then I have tons of like other options. Like I could ask Father Maudsley if he knows a priest that could come for, like, if he still knows a fraternity priest. I could ask Fawaz if he knows a fraternity priest. I can, I mean, I um I if there's a priest who watches our show and wants a free trip to Italy, reach out to me. Like you get a free trip to Italy. I I think I think a fraternity priest would be awesome because there's a fraternity parish in Rome and he might have some privileges there or something. Um but it's going to be a traditional priest that comes. I asked Ripper. Rippiger uh said he doesn't do pilgrimages because they take up too much time in his schedule and he's constantly writing and doing things like that. But I did ask him. That would have been and the other thing is you get Rippiger on a on a pilgrimage, and that thing's selling out in 30 seconds. Like he could do one on his own. He doesn't need to come on ours, you know.

SPEAKER_08: 1:34:51

If he wanted a free trip to Italy, he could get one anytime.

SPEAKER_05: 1:34:53

Yeah, there's not like there's no he doesn't, but I wasn't I wouldn't have done it because he needs a free trip to Italy. I would have done it because I would love to just spend the time with him, and I think he would have a good time with us. But like I said, I mean Father Ribiger, he's like literally the most in-demand priest in the world. Yeah, so um, so he's out. Uh, but we will definitely the other thing I was thinking is I can't really promote the priest that comes because of things like the rant from tonight. So the priest that comes, the priest that comes will not be on the flyer. He will not be, I will not tell anybody who it is because I don't want that priest getting in trouble with his bishop. Because I promise you, Gavin Ashington will sick some anti-Zionists on us or Zionists on us. Like that's what'll happen. It'll it'll Gavin Ashington will want to get us back, and he'll go, This priest is going on this pilgrimage with these anti-Semitic lunatics, and that's what'll happen. So I'm not going to announce who the priest is. I'll tell you guys on locals. Like on locals, I'll let you guys know, but there's no chance I'm announcing who that priest is. Zero chance. You think, oh man, I'm curious what the backlash from that episode is gonna be.

SPEAKER_08: 1:36:08

I was just thinking the same thing.

SPEAKER_05: 1:36:11

I'm wondering how that's gonna go. My cousin wants to watch tonight's episode. Don't sell sense too much. Gotta no, my cousin Matt. Oh gotta leave some stuff to talk about tomorrow night. I'm excited to see my cousin tomorrow, man. I haven't seen him in a while. Um, and I'm I'm gonna ask him if he can come to Italy too. That'll be awesome. Uh, I'm gonna ask him, his dad, my brother Dom to come. Oh man, that would be amazing. That'll never happen. Those parents might come. That's what I need to do. My Lutheran in-laws, that'll be good.

SPEAKER_08: 1:36:55

That will one-shot them, dude.

SPEAKER_05: 1:36:58

My cousin Matt, um he um he I he lived he lives in Europe. And the last time I went with Patrick, I wanted my cousin Matt to meet us for a couple of days. And I asked Patrick and he was like, It's too much, it's too confusing. Like, you know, I don't I don't know how we'll plan that out. But this is my pilgrimage. Like, I'm gonna send Matt my schedule. This is where we'll be. Pick a hotel you want to meet us at and come fly in for three days. Like, I don't care, we'll figure it out, just join the group, like whatever. We'll we'll we'll get you in everywhere. And if he wants to come spend three days or five days, whatever he wants to do, like he's he's awesome, my cousin.

SPEAKER_08: 1:37:35

Um, someone asked if I'm gonna be in the cities this weekend. No, we were going to be, but um, with everyone having fevers and stuff this last week, we don't want to get anyone else sick, so we're just gonna stay at home this week.

SPEAKER_05: 1:37:51

Um, all right, so you want to do the uh the the the the thing you might do, the little black kids get in trouble. I just thought the comment was so interesting.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:09

I have two in the backyard right now. On the stomach now, on the stomach now look at me! Where's the third one?

SPEAKER_05: 1:38:23

Ransom out instantly, instantly.

SPEAKER_00: 1:38:27

Stand by got two from out there complaining. I'm getting you an address, stand by. Do you gotta look at me? Get him on the ground, you're gonna look at me. Do not look at me, stand on the ground. Get on there, get over here now. Get over here now. Just get on the ground. We'll have to train everybody and we're figuring out the thing. We're not we're not going to kill right now. We're you're gonna be detrained, okay?

SPEAKER_04: 1:39:36

No, you can't call anybody, you can't answer anybody.

SPEAKER_10: 1:39:39

I mean, I got it all in there.

SPEAKER_04: 1:39:41

Okay. Do you have any gun? Does anybody have any guns?

SPEAKER_05: 1:39:45

I think Kellen, I I kind of just want to cover this one. So when questioned by investigators, the boy said they went to a store when they spotted a vehicle. One boy allegedly said something just came over his body and he could not control it. He needed to take the car and there there's we've seen tons of videos like a lot of these these kids are raised by single black mothers yes and and they're especially in like these more like the poor neighborhoods like these kids are raised by single black mothers we see all the time like the the thought of stealing doesn't like there's no there's nothing wrong with stealing for these communities it's almost like as long as you don't get caught like there's nothing morally like there's no moral standard of it's wrong like we raise our children and it's like like my kids I've seen them uh my like one one of my kids one time like put something in the shopping cart and didn't tell my wife and my wife walked out of the store and saw it and she made my daughter go back in and return it and like we taught them that lesson that like you don't steal under any circumstance and you know if these are these are things you teach your kids as they're growing up and you know these kids are not getting any kind of grounding like that. And then you also talk about like this low impulse control in the black community right like that it's like there's a meme that goes around about it where it's like they can't see 30 seconds into the future right like in the moment they just react and they can't see consequence a minute into the future it's like they they're just in that moment they have to react however it is they'll kill somebody they'll do anything and they can't grasp there's consequences for their actions it's just that this is this is starting in behavior at this age 11 12 years old what are you fidgeting with over there uh texting someone who watched the show tonight what'd they say uh well this person who showed remain on aimed said Rob your comment about Charlie being the catacomb for his wife brilliant wait what did they wait say that again look at your phone I just gotta I just wait yes it's that person look at your phone okay wait okay wait okay Rob your comment about Charlie being the catacomb for his wife brilliant seriously did not see this until now since you watched the show tonight what do you think went too far with Gavin I'm actually watching it right now I didn't watch live we let ourselves get a little heated unfortunately and he says I may have to be the new Charlie Kirk among Catholics I'm gonna have to build bridges between everyone and we won't say what he says after that because we're talking about boy um sometimes being the guys that just say whatever comes to them in the moment isn't always the best thing I don't know but stop throwing shade at us okay we're going back to the heat starter like stop throwing shade at us because I'm not gonna handle it well like don't do that like there's no reason for that especially like you said like in a sub-tweeting sort of way call us out if you're gonna call us out damn it part of me because we will definitely call you out part of me wonders how far I can push the boundary before somebody writes some before people write something about us it's like major majority just showed up I heard you all were talking oh major you poor man dude don't go back and listen to I wasn't throwing somebody else said I was throwing shady I really wasn't I was just repeating what I was listening to in a podcast someone says A B converts my money into Catholic influencer drama money well spent I'll say this nobody does Catholic drama like we do nobody makes for that nobody makes it as fun as we do come on guys majority coming in here like he got holding something back yeah his wife oh my gosh I cannot believe that comment dude that was the line we have to make that a short that has to be made a short there are gonna be people that dislike that but I'm I'm willing to think one for the team at doing it for the LLC doing it for the LLC oh man yeah this show tonight I think it's gonna I think it's gonna have some some consequences oh man we'll see how it goes yep all right tomorrow's Christmas Eve I gotta go apologize to my son for yelling and the throwing of the chair and the throwing of the chair and then of the more yelling oh man you know you know I know what they said no he's gonna go do his Catholic show after he yelled like that's like yeah but I'm gonna tell everybody I yelled like that like I'm not it's not like it's not like I'm a fraud and I pretend I didn't do that like I tell everybody I lost my temper bosses at least you have an LLC for Gavin to sue now oh my god yeah he can't come after us personally limited liability it's like 400 bucks in the account you can get nothing sue me for what oh man what can he sue you for Paul goes what would he sue you for I have no idea but he's British and gay so he'll find a way Paul if only you knew I'm like I don't know what um Catherine and Mark are going to say to this one is Josh serious what he just texts me do I have a few minutes literally on air well depends Josh do you want to come on air or are you saying we should stop this and turn make this private real quick do you want to come on he's so sick he know he's watching the show we did tonight like how does he not know we're still doing a show hey by the way you just blew a spot where you go hand we're gonna wrap this up hey guys if if if if tonight's public episode disappears you know why it's not disappearing I'm leaving it up leaving it up like we're gonna own it I don't care like honestly it I got something in my eye uh is no worry about that he he basically accused you of inspiring a terror attack yeah dude I like I meant everything I said like honestly like the the what what I said about him is true it's like don't moral grandstand and act like you you have some moral superiority because you're not an anti-Semite and when I know how you handle personal relationships in your life I would take back the name calling I did that's about it yeah I didn't call him any names I did you always cross the line I do you always go too far it's fine I tell people Rob's bad cop like it's not me I'm the good guy I'm really annoyed about this chat no I'm not crying and I literally have something in my eye um majarian you would not believe the Anthony sex I're you know how many times I have to talk majarian off a ledge majarian stop being a fag stop it you know how worried he was about getting sued stop being a faggot stop being a faggot just go harder this is not suing you don't worry I'll take the blame you're right we had to talk him off the edge like twice a day yeah dude no he he was so worried he was gonna get sued uh I hate we're yawning at the end of the show all right wrap this up because I am yawning a lot and Josh Josh wants to talk and when Josh wants to talk they less do we do we just want to give him the link for the green screen so we can lecture both of us on what we said uh all right let me go because I have to get up early tomorrow it's gonna be a rough one so okay we're just ending this right here