Is Michael Matt Alienating Young Trads?

The spark was simple: a high-profile pro-life voice spoke out about pornography, and Catholic Twitter went nuclear. We don’t argue over whether porn is destructive; we press into who should say what, to whom, and where. That means asking hard questions about authority, modesty, and the difference between true statements and fitting speakers. Are we applauding truth in the wrong forum, or have we forgotten that the messenger and the setting matter to souls?

We unpack why so many younger Catholic men bristle at women publicly addressing men about porn. It’s not approval of sin; it’s a plea for order. Men need men—fathers, priests, brothers—to confront them with clarity and show a path out: confession, accountability, and practical steps that come with real spiritual fatherhood. Women, meanwhile, have urgent work guiding women away from romance-porn, vanity, and the economy of digital attention that warps the heart. Parallel lanes, different duties, shared end: holiness.

Along the way, we examine the deeper currents—decades of male abdication in the home and parish, the “girlboss” aesthetic baptized as Christian influence, and a social media environment that rewards heat more than wisdom. We revisit Adam and Eve, mutual submission, and the Church’s recent history, including the collapse in Catholic education and the failure of leaders to speak with a clear voice. The throughline: if we want renewal, we must restore ordered authority and the modesty of knowing our place and our audience.

Listen for a candid, sometimes uncomfortable conversation that aims at healing, not scoring points. If you’re a man looking for real help, or a woman seeking the right lane to build others up, you’ll find practical clarity here. If this resonates, subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a review to help more people find the show. Then tell us: who should speak to men about porn—and why?

Chapters

• 0:10 Setting The Stage And Tone
• 2:00 Why This Topic Erupted Online
• 3:25 Respect For Michael Matt With Caveats
• 6:20 Lila Rose, Porn Talk, And Modesty
• 9:40 Merch, Sponsors, And Support
• 11:55 Playing Matt’s Clip And Reactions
• 17:15 Women Addressing Men Versus Proper Roles
• 22:45 Eve, Adam, And Authority
• 27:20 Social Media Narcissism And Dating Warnings
• 31:20 Holding Men Accountable Without White-Knighting
• 36:15 Sister’s Speech And Topic Boundaries
• 41:10 Chivalry, Simping, And Correction
• 46:25 Catholic Schools, Decline, And Leadership
• 51:40 Culture’s Lies To Women And Lost Time
• 56:30 Announcements, Guests, And Scheduling

Transcript

SPEAKER_03: 0:10

Milo Rose is a feminist nag who has no business telling men what to do when it comes to pornography. Milo Rose has finally been told to shut the F up. Because men will not be nagged.

SPEAKER_05: 0:30

The return of Tappy. This is going well already. Oh, this is gonna be a fun one. All right, well, right, right off the bat, I do want to say um we're not like taking it. Right off the bat, he's apologizing. Yeah, like we're not listening it was a slow news day. We were I was looking for stuff all day to talk about, and I'm like, yeah, I think we have to go with this. Look, this is this is the conversation that's happening online right now. It's um it's one of them. I mean, there are several, but the the the conversation about um the proper place for men and women, the proper understanding of what it means to be a traditional Catholic, there's a lot of things going on. So we figured we'd uh add our commentary to the mix. Um, and uh but wait, and Aunt wonders why people don't want to no no no. I'll tell you right now, Molly. I play nice with all these people, they don't want to talk to me, and now the gloves are off. I don't know not really what's happening. Um, yeah, but they've been gig keeping us out of the conversation, they want to act like we don't exist, so what's to tell you? Yeah, um, no, right off the bat, I will actually say that um Michael Matt is obviously a legend in the Catholic commentary world. He's um he's probably part of the reason we're able to do this. Like he's owed a ton of respect. Um, I mean, his family going back generations, generations. I mean, he is you know, he is owed a ton of respect. So, this is this stream is not meant to denigrate him in any way, it's not meant to take shots at him. It's just the conversation that went on on Twitter, and he addressed it on his show. And I kind of want to address some of the points he brought up and see if because I see it's you just see the two generations talking past each other. You see the older guys, old like Gen X and and the boomers are not understanding the conversation and where Gen Z and younger millennials are coming from. And Rob and I find ourselves kind of in the middle of that, and I tend to see both sides, and you know, I I just think that there's a way to have this conversation without it being insulting to anybody, without but it you know, when I watched Michael Matt and I watch almost every episode of the Remnants, but when I watched this week's episode without being insulting, did you see the intro we just played? Oh, he knows you guys can't laugh at your when you have no business doing this. I mean, honestly, if you can't if you can't see a goofy video where somebody's teasing you a little bit, then you shouldn't be in the public spotlight. I don't know, but um, yeah, I I I watch pretty much every remnant video, I always have like for years. Um, but this one just seemed a little out of touch, and I and I thought Michael Matt was straw manning the younger guy's position, um, and he was making it like this is a rad trad, uh a young rad trad thing, and I don't think that's what it is at all. I think it's uh a younger generation that is just making what making what a young rad trad. Uh the the it the top the the the you know what we'll just have to play the video and get into it so you actually understand the context. But it seems like the conversation around Lila Rose talking about pornography, two men, um, and there's a lot of it's a lot of chaos around this issue. Like the younger guys are like, why don't you just shut up and not say anything about this? And the older guys are like, Well, she's saying something good. This is good. If you know Michael Matt says in the video, he says, If Kamala Harris came out and said something against abortion, I would applaud her. But there's context to that. So I think we should just get into playing the video. We won't string this out, but one thing we haven't uh promoted in a long time is um oh, and uh Angela says happy birthday to you, Rob. But we haven't promoted the um the merch store in a very long time. We Rob's birthday was yesterday. We never even brought up the the all the Vatican first hats I made. Vatican first. We have uh have you accepted Mary as your personal mother and intercessor? We got a lot of stuff over this. Let me bring it all up real quick. Yeah, if you guys want to help support the show, uh the merch store is a great way to do that. We also have Recuson Sellers use code based D-A-S-E-D at checkout for 10% off. Recuson sellers is uh winery out in Washington State, they are huge supporters of our show. We are very grateful to them. Wonderful Catholic family, and the only people willing to sponsor our content, apparently. For now, at least. For now, but uh, but for a lot of people don't realize how difficult it like it's one thing to have a YouTube show and have a you know a podcast and things like that. It's a very different thing to actually make money doing this. Uh, but me and Rob actually have some news that we'll discuss over on locals about that. But um, yeah, it's it's kind of tricky to turn this thing into anything. So getting a sponsor is a huge part of that. If you guys can go support Reggie Son Sellers, you could use code based at checkout for 10% off. Let's know that we sent you over there. They're uh awesome business, and then our merch store it's got some pretty cool stuff. If you guys want to uh let's see here, the new the newest stuff are newest and first hats that came from that. Uh I forget who put out the meme, but yeah, somebody somebody was pointing out that all like the the all the most consequential cat commentators in the political world Catholics Walsh, yeah. Like that every everybody's Catholic. It's like Jack Pasobic, everybody, everybody's Catholic. So we were just uh pointing out that yes, we're all Vatican first. Then here's the the the OG. That's that's basically our um flagship shirt. That is a a tweet that I sent out that went insanely viral and infuriated the Protestants. It's a great conversation starter. So all right, let's get into Michael Matt. Um, Michael Matt addressing the controversy around Lila Rose discussing pornography with men in the public sphere. And he was not happy about the reaction he got to one of his tweets. So we'll we'll we'll play a little bit of it, we'll pause it. It's a very long clip. I don't know how much of it we'll get to, and then we got we got a lot of fun stuff for locals tonight.

SPEAKER_06: 6:53

They should and shouldn't do, and as I've said before, any woman that tells men what to do is a feminist.

SPEAKER_03: 6:58

Now, this story exploded. I just weighed in on X this week and I couldn't believe it because I mean Lila Rose obviously is right. She says about pornography. Uh and Lila Rose is no traditionalist, so I don't have a dog in this fight. That's what I'm talking about. This polarization is tribalism has got to stop. Okay, people say, I don't like Lila Rose. And I say, you know what? If Cammy Harris, Camilla Harris, had said something against pornography or against abortion, I would praise her for it. And I would quote her and I would say she's right. Okay. So the tribalism, first of all, has got has got to stop. But what Lila Rose is a Catholic, what she said is objectively true, friends. And here's where the story, the story to me, is the fallout, what happened after this little interview that we just showed you. I weighed in and defended her on X, thinking, well, everybody's going to, right? No, not so. In fact, I was kind of um, yeah, you can check it out on my Twitter feed. I was, I was lambasted by a bunch of guys, I guess Nick Fuentes types or fans, right? Who are absolutely thrilled that Lila Rose has finally been told to shut the F up. Yes, I'm quoting. That's what they're saying. You can see it in the thread, even on my my X feed. All right. Many of these guys claim to be traditional Catholics, and I'm astonished. Totally astonished. And they like to call me a boomer for this, and that's fine. I'm not a boomer, but I'm an older guy, and yeah, this is horrifying. This is horrible. The reaction to what happened to Lila Rose on the part of people claiming all right.

SPEAKER_05: 8:28

So, um, now if Kamala Harris had said something positive on abortion or against pornography, yes, we would all like praise that. That's that's a fair point. But I think Michael is missing the context of the Lila situation because um the and this isn't a a traditionalist point of view, it's it's younger guys who are just kind of sick of feminism in all its forms, and the and there are two sides to this, also, so I will give the other side, but um the there's something deeper about this conversation that goes to modesty, like it's it's more it's it's less than Lila, like because what Lila is saying may objectively be true, but the issue here is that we don't think it's appropriate for women to be discussing porn in any context with men, like married publicly, publicly, right? It's different if it's in her home with her sons or her husband. That's you know, that's a totally different thing, but for her to be addressing this publicly in a public forum, it's just highly immodest and inappropriate. And it gets it, there's a deeper thing that's happening in our culture right now where young men are just kind of tired of women putting themselves in in a position where they're constantly haranguing men, like it's it's it's especially a bad look after the near portification of Father Mike Schmidt's on Lila Rose's own show. Yeah, and and look, I'm I'm I'm also going to say, like, there's something about the way we're all like having this conversation that probably does need to be toned down a little bit, like we're just losing our crap, and we're all just so sick of the girl boss that it's coming out in bad ways. And I and I say that because I cut I cut a black woman off in Queens today. Like I was driving my you almost lost your life. Lila has a bad track record, like Sam and Father, Father Schmidt's uh hippie hippie next guy. George Floyd. George Floyd. Um, so I I cut a black woman off when I was driving in Queens today, and she was irate, and she comes around and catches up to me at the light, and she's like ready to flip out on me. And I roll the window down, and I was just like, Miss, you're a hundred percent right. I apologize. I was not paying attention, and I last minute I saw my GPS and I turned. I disarmed this woman so much just by the way I was apologetic and didn't fight back and because I could have just been like, Shut up, you when I you know, but I was very nice to her and totally disarmed her. And she was like, I'm sorry, honey. You know, she's okay. I know I won't do my black woman impression. She was for anyone who was in North Carolina with us, they all know black women have a thing for you. Yeah, I do have a way with black women, but um, so yeah, there may be a way in which we're handling this conversation, it's a little out of control, but I think it's because the younger guys are just so fed up with it. But Lila does have a track record, she has a history. Look, they're looking at a woman who didn't take her husband's last name, she's out there talking about how first wave feminism was good, and if it wasn't for first wave feminism, women couldn't be on these podcasts talking about abortion in the first place, and it's like a lot of this has to go does go to the older generation kind of allowing this stuff to happen, right? And it's the they never had the fortitude to tell women, hey, you don't belong in this position. This is this is why women run every parish. It comes to like so. I used to I actually tweeted at Michael, I said, Michael, how can you be against altar girls, but then before the girl boss podcasts are telling men to do this? Like it's the same thing, yeah, it's literally the same thing. Like that, um the the that tweet about the uh the the Jewish woman who's the one of the big reasons why women don't veil in church these days. That was I actually threw that tweet because I didn't know the history of that. Um, we we can get into that. We'll we'll finish the Michael Mass stuff and then we'll get into that because that's actually a really interesting topic. I did not know all of that. Just the history of women no longer veiling in in church was this movement started by a Jewish woman. Yeah, it's it's not that the church decided it was no longer needed, it was a feminist revolution, and it was the incan law until 1983. So and all of it is about overthrowing the patriarchy. And you look at someone like not just Lila, but the other girl who runs the students for life thing, like we're looking at Kristen Hawkins. Yeah, we're looking at these two women who are making half a million dollars a year each, their husbands stay home and take care of the kids and homeschool them while they're off earning the living, and we're just like very proud of that, actually, though. And we're just like beside ourselves, and it has to do with the older generation never speaking up and not having the fortitude to tell women they don't belong in these positions. So, you know, I I agree with Michael Matt in that what Lila Rose is saying is not not it's not untrue, like she's saying true things. There's but it's it's it's decorum, it's is it your place? Is it do you have do you like is it it? Um, I think it was um Mike Pantile said e women even saying the word pornography in public could be a near occasion of sin for men, like it just it titillates their mind, and you know, especially a guy struggling with this stuff. So it's just scandalous in general for women to be discussing this topic online. And like you said, that last conversation that we did criticize Lila for it was her and her the girl that was on her show, and they're calling Father Mike Schmitz father um father what a waste, basically. I mean, they didn't say that literally, but they were basically like talking about how hot father Mike Schmitz is, and it's like the like they even like the the the objectification of like a handsome priest, even and the our culture is just so rotten at this point that it's gotten it's gotten vulgar online, especially on X. X is probably the most toxic place to hold these conversations, is why I thought it might be better to have this conversation on here. But all right, let's play a little more of Michael Matt. We'll see if there's some more stuff we can pick apart.

SPEAKER_03: 14:59

I mean to be traditionally, I'm gonna call them neo trads, by the way, neo rads, whatever. Bragging now about how they tell their women to shut their mouths because men will not be nagged. Again, I'm quoting nagged. I can be nagged about anything, even porn use, they say. Now, when you do that, friends, obviously you are running the risk. If you're gonna go after Lila Rose here because she's nagging you about your porn or about porn, you run the risk of people naturally assuming, well, you don't have that much of a problem with porn, then, because your issue is obviously much more with nagging women, right? Yeah, mine is you can see the the pornification of society is reaching.

SPEAKER_05: 15:41

What it's like I don't I don't have any issues with porn, but I'm really bothered by nagging women. I don't know. I mean, I'm just being honest. I really dislike nagging women, they're annoying. Um, hold on, no, no, hold on. You you are missing an exception that you actually love.

SPEAKER_01: 16:03

That's not how catholicism works. Who are you? Who do you think you are?

SPEAKER_05: 16:10

That you're just and she's been mentioning us on her show. Well, because that one guy's been coming after us too. Um, but um, yeah, I yeah, all right. We'll play a little more. I I I think I missed something in there that I was going to say something about, but I kind of forgot what he said. But yeah, back it up like 10 seconds.

SPEAKER_03: 16:33

Uh people naturally assuming, well, you don't have that much of a problem with porn then because your issue is obviously right there. Obviously, you are running the risk. If you're gonna go after Lila Rose here because she's nagging you about your porn or about porn, you run the risk of people naturally assuming, well, you don't have that much of a problem with porn then because your issue is obviously much more with nagging women, right? You can see the pornification of society is reaching far corners, it's reaching everywhere now, you know. So I see this unfold and I'm like, what's going on? And again, Lila Rose is no friend of mine, she's no traditional Catholic. But I think she was 15 years old when she started devoting her entire life to saving babies. I think she deserves a little respect, don't you? No. These little Neo Trad guys, they sided with the creature who was beating up on Lila. Lila Rose can take it, didn't they need me to defend it?

SPEAKER_05: 17:34

Yeah, that's but it was just real quick. Like, okay, so so look, even even me, like I'm not I'm not siding with Pearl. Like, no, Pearl, we despise that woman. Pearl is the worst, she's obnoxious, she's annoying, but she she's the only woman who calls other women to account. And the the the whole thing is you you're constantly um yeah, she devoted her entire life to driving Alexis. The um not like she's suffering, guys. The this this whole this whole conversation is more about like first off, no man is gonna stop watching it because Lila said too. Like she she she it's just it's not in it's not like she's inspiring men to give it up. It's just it's not helpful at all. It's really just not. And what she really wants to fight against porn, she should really be lecturing women, women about about about their porn use, on their their reading of smut, like come on then, and getting and getting into the industry itself, and getting into the industry, yeah. Getting into the industry itself, so it's it's more like we just want the proper roles for men and women again, and they're so out of whack right now that so I I put up something before just asking who's responsible for the fall, Adam or Eve. And the reason I'm I was doing that is because you'll see it's it's because this is a trad issue because it comes down to when the church at after the council, the church dropped its guard on feminism, and uh John Paul II started talking about the feminine genius, they started allowing altar girls to come in, and all this stuff started happening, and it like the mutual submission thing comes into the equation, and mutual submission is from the pit of hell. And the people who push mutual submission will also be the people who say Adam is the reason that Eve ate the apple, because Adam should have protected Eve from the serpent even coming in. So they they recognize that Adam did have the authority to guard the garden and protect his wife, like that is actually Adam's role, he should have never allowed his wife to even speak to the serpent, but they'll blame Adam for that and then still blame him for the fall. Like it's it, and then still say, like, Eve, he didn't have the authority to tell Eve what to do. It's a really strange thing that happens. It's it like men have to take all the blame in all the situations, and women are never held to account for anything. So it's like you either have to say, Yeah, well, Eve ate the apple first, or whatever the you know, the pomegranate first, so it's her fault, or you have to admit that no, Adam actually did have the authority to put an end to that, like he should have never allowed this to happen in the first place. And the the men who talk about mutual submission are so disordered because what they're actually what they're actually saying is they are shirking their responsibility as a man, and they don't want the blame, they want their wife to take some of the blame when things go wrong, and it's not okay. Like if you have a husband who talks like that, that that means he's afraid to embrace the authority that God has given him as a man. And men should tremble at the authority God has given us because it is a very big responsibility. And if you're out there allowing your wife to take part in managing, like having authority in your home, you're actually saying, Well, I don't want the blame when things go wrong. It's it's a shirking of your responsibility. So all of this comes down to this. And I think the younger guys are just like, all right, things are so out of whack, we're looking online and we're seeing the way these women are. That you're looking at uh the the girl, I forgot her name, but whatever. She she goes to an Orthodox church and she's Morgan Ariel. Yeah, Morgan Ariel. She's dressed appropriately, she goes to an Orthodox church, but she has to take the selfie with her in it. And guys are seeing this, and they're just like, You are such a narcissist. Like, you could have just taken a picture of the icon, but you have to put yourself in it. It's that meme, right? The meme of guy sharing a photo of what they want to show people, and it's just the item, and then women sharing a photo of what they're gonna show people and their faces right in it. Yeah, it's but it's it's it's really something that I think women need to talk to other women about. Like, if you go somewhere beautiful, take a picture of the beautiful thing. You don't need to be in the picture with the beautiful thing because it does just come off as narcissism. And I think you know, there's always going to be the simps who are like, Oh, you're so beautiful. And I think for a lot of guys who are beyond that stuff, we just look at it, we're just like, ew, like you're just craving this false, you're craving this fake affirmation from likes and stuff like that. And it's like just if you're if you're on a journey and you're heading to an Orthodox or a Catholic church and you're thinking about deepening your faith, don't tell the world about it. Like, do your journey and do it and figure it out. And when you get to that point, maybe then you could talk about it. But like, oh, I visited an Orthodox church, look at me, everybody. I'm on a journey. It's like it's just I I think everybody's just so done with the narcissism. I I'll say I I cannot warn men enough against you younger guys who are dating. Like, if you date a woman who's a social media influencer, you're insane. And I say that as a guy that's doing this stuff, like like if you if you have a a a white, because all you see is this constant thing where women are embarrassing their spouse online, saying things they shouldn't say about their husband, revealing intimate details of their marriage, and it's just I think I think the the party's over, is all I'm saying. And I just think Michael Matt is missing the the wider context of what these younger guys are growing up in. They're growing up in a world where these are the only women they're having contact with because people don't go out and meet people in person anymore. The only interactions they're having are these interactions that are online, and this behavior just gets so grating to these guys, and they they want to see modesty, like modesty is so attractive now because it's so rare. So I think the the point on life modesty is is is about more than just what you're wearing, yeah. Yeah, it's that we constantly hear these women talking about how men need to be more Christ-like, and none of them act more Mary-like. It's it's it's like this this thing where men get to blame for everything, and it's totally fine for them. Like, I I don't know, I think we're just at a cultural moment where we all have to look at the things we've allowed to happen under our watch, and especially us older guys, and we have to go, okay, yeah, maybe we should have told these, told our wives no, or told our whatever women in our lives no, they can't do this because this thing has gotten so out of control at this point. Honestly, like the the the berating that Lila gets online, like that alone makes me look at her husband, like, what kind of man are you? Like, you allow your wife. Are you allowed to you allow your wife to take this kind of abuse online? Like that in itself is emasculating for her husband. I don't care. Like, I there is no scenario where I would let my wife be abused by strange men on the internet like that and not intervene and take her phone away. It's just like, what are you doing as a man? This is the exact scenario of Adam not protecting his wife from the serpent. Lila is on the internet and the serpents are coming at her, and she keeps doing it and feeding into it, and her husband doesn't put his stupid foot down and say, knock it off because he loves the money too much. It's just you know, so we'll keep playing. We'll play, uh, we will get the super chats. Just I I want to get through all this and then and then we'll get to everything. But yeah, look, like Nicole's saying, like you uh for for the women who think that we're just being like macho, it's like don't envy the burden men carry as husbands and fathers. It's not an it's not an easy one, it really isn't. And and like you you talk about working out your salvation in fear and trembling, you are responsible for every every soul in your home as a man. You are the priest of your home. That is not a light uh uh calling, that is not a light vocation, that has huge consequences. It's it's and you just see these women that are that have these positions as social media influencers, especially the Catholic ones, and you just think to yourself, like, what like how do you sit back? Like, like she's the one that's online, she doesn't take his last name, he's not even allowed to have a social media profile. Could you imagine what they would do to that man? It's the same thing with religious hippies' husband, like, he can't even be online because they'll massacre him. That poor guy. I feel bad for the husbands at the same time. I'm just like, dude, what are you doing? Yeah, what are you doing? Can't pity them too much, they're failing in their own responsibilities. All right, let's keep going with this.

SPEAKER_03: 26:53

Horrific to see this. She was beaten up and mocking Lila Rose. She ends up muting Lila Rose and then laughing at Lila Rose, like some 14 First off, that was our move first.

SPEAKER_05: 27:06

Yeah, we we invented the mute. Yeah, come on now. Stole a bit from us. That's our bit.

SPEAKER_06: 27:16

It's um again you hear me right now. Are you listening?

SPEAKER_07: 27:21

Can you hear me? Okay, um if you if you continue to mute me, I don't even know when you're muting me or not. I'm not gonna be able to have a conversation with you. I don't think you're acting in good faith right now. So I'm gonna I'm gonna have to end the stream with you if you're gonna continue to mute me.

SPEAKER_05: 27:36

Come on, Michael, it's funny. Come on.

SPEAKER_03: 27:44

So I thought, what am I missing here? You know? So I went over to this laughing trolls website and I found atrocious, you know, something that just made all of us blush, you know, even back in the 80s. A lot of dirty talk, you know, this woman behaving just crass behavior, uh, troll advice for men to divorce their fat wives and find sweet young things, sweet young honeys to go after and dicko. You know what I'm saying. But according to the Neo Trads, Lila Rose is the one who needs to shut up and stop nagging us dudes. So, does this woman also need to shut up and stop nagging us dudes?

SPEAKER_05: 28:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 28:27

But for just a brief moment, I would like to speak directly to the men.

SPEAKER_05: 28:30

What? I don't know, he's talking about this one. I think about Pearl, yes, Pearl needs to shut up. But alright, who's this? I have no idea. You want to play it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's play it. Let's a question should we tell this woman to shut up? Let's let's hear what she says.

SPEAKER_02: 28:54

You are made for greatness. You are made to stand up and be men. You are made to defend women and children, not stand by and turn your head when you know murder is occurring and do nothing about it. You are not made to use women and leave us alone.

SPEAKER_05: 29:19

Pause it. Yeah, like everything she's saying is true. This message should just be coming from a man. I say it just rings so empty from a woman, I just don't care. It should just be coming from a man. I'm sorry, coming from a guy. I mean, it would have you all pumped up. You'd be right like this message should be coming from. We're we're like, there's there's because you have to take into account the absolute lack of accountability that women hold each other to. I'm not saying all women, but like the women in these positions, because I do know some very good women who clearly do look out for other women. Like, I'm not I'm not, I don't, I'm not saying all I'm talking about these women specifically who are in the public. like this they're constantly talking about how it's men's fault and they never hold one another to account they just don't they don't they don't it's like and anytime they try to because I did see um I did see one or two uh women try to actually address it and say something I think it was um I forgot her name uh Jay something but yeah yeah women ray wit raise boys but men raise men that's yeah but that's the whole point but but also a woman does have that authority over her boys though yeah like this is a very different thing like a woman a mother in her home absolutely yes like you should say this to your boys at home 100% but it will mean more coming from their father but it will but but that is your that is that is absolutely within your authority to talk to your children your boys about this i like that's a very different thing than what we're talking about here um the it it's it's whenever women try to hold other women to account you will get other women in the comments blaming men it's it's bizarre they'll like if a woman tries to say women don't um don't get involved in OnlyFans this is a disgusting industry whatever you'll get a hundred women underneath going yes but if men didn't consume this content women wouldn't be tempted to go towards it it's only because men buy it that we are doing it it's like there's just no place where women hold women to account and where and now men are not holding men to account men are only attacking women like we're just this whole culture is so upside down right now everything is just upside down right now look at look at look at all the trouble two women podcasters cause guys and the and the uh yeah it's just and they're fighting and arguing with random men they don't know on the internet instead of instead of being home like go go home be home with your family let your husband handle these battles these are not these are just it's just i i'm sorry they're just and and the thing is the trads are the worst about this like they really are the worst about this i'm telling you i go to trad parishes and i the the men in these trad parishes they're more henpecked than any men I see they're afraid of their wives this because this ultimately doesn't really come down to Lila this ultimately comes down to husbands allowing their wives to do this stuff right it's like it and and Michael Matt I'm calling you out I didn't make this show about Lila I made this show about you because you are excusing this stuff like men have to stop excusing this stuff and that's the ultimate point of this whole thing. So yeah these young guys are going nuts about this but why are we as men not trying to fix the problem at the root of the problem which is women are trying to be men and they can't be men need to be men. Women need to be women we should be encouraging women to be more feminine and men to be more masculine and instead we're allowing women to run the pro-life movement we're allowing women to run our parishes we're allowing women to run everything and we're all just like and everything falling apart you said something true and the whole world is collapsing around us. The church is falling apart the dread life the the pro-life movement is in shambles Rob the the church itself at the heart of the issue is men priests who are supposed to be priests of souls are afraid to say no to women it is why you have every Susan from the parish council it's why you have altar girls up in the sanctuary it's why when you call when you try calling a parish to go set an appointment for confession the girl in the in the office the secretary in the office will tell you oh no no no you have to come at the right time it's like this is the problem the root of the problem is men not being men and allowing women because they're afraid to say no because men just like Adam wanted to please his wife this innate desire to please women oh my gosh I can't say no to them. It's just leading to the collapse of our culture it's and and and and the and the Catholic longhouse are filled with men afraid to say this stuff about the women in the movement. Like it's really what it comes down to it it this is what the Catholic Longhouse is the Catholic Longhouse is a bunch of men who are just operating at the whim of the women who allow them to and they don't say anything because they want to go on Lila Rose's podcast and it's like I'm it's like there's something so freeing about what we do and that all of them gate kept us out and now we can speak about what we want good we don't we don't ever have to worry about it. I'm never gonna get asked to speak at a remnant conference I would have but now I'm not going to be and I and I love I love Michael Matt that's not like that's not even the issue it's just we need to be willing to be not liked you need to be willing to not be the nice guy sometimes to just speak hard truths at times is this stuff is getting out of control. You got to move beyond wanting human respect is what it comes down to. And and and look so much of like the the conversation around us being uncharitable because everybody accuses of being uncharitable like I don't think we're being uncharitable right now so much of it is like as a Catholic you're not allowed to say something about another Catholic and it's like that's how the freaking priest crisis happened yeah it really I mean I mean this is way less of a degree but so much of it is people not wanting the Catholics to look bad because oh it looks like there's infighting going on it's like we are in a war in a civil war in the church right now we're in a civil war in the church right now for the movement because we're all just we have no fathers that actually want to be fathers we're we're dealing with a bunch of men in the hierarchy and our priests are all afraid to say the truth that women need to stop and let men run things Jesus chose 12 men as apostles for a reason Jesus like men men follow men they don't follow women we don't want a Marjorie Taylor Green in office we don't want a a Lauren in office like this this stuff has to stop and and it's like it's just led to the ruin of society we're done with it so yes we're gonna call Lila Rose out when she's nagging men about watching like go talk to the women about this stuff because they're all reading Fifty Shades of Gray and that's more toxic than the crap men are looking at online see if he's got a little more in there at least men are ashamed of it when they do it. Yes where women will women bragging women are per women will brag about it. Women are bragging that they're watching Fifty Shades of Grey and fantasizing about another man when they're with their husband it's it's insane where you're right like men at least understand deep down like this is horrific God forbid anybody ever found out I'm doing this it's it's they 100% of the men doing it don't need to be told it's bad they know they know they just in their heart they just need some inspiration to get out of it they need some kind they need another man to help talk to them about hey this is how I got out of it things like that but having some broad come on and tell us you shouldn't be just shut up yes tell Lila Rose to shut the F up like why like you can go talk to women about something because there is there is a uh a conversation around like what 50 shades is team compared to what's trending on women's book talk I mean remember that uh that book mark found on Amazon the saber tooth dentist ghost rapist guy or whatever because because these women are fantasizing about some of the most heinous stuff it's really heinous stuff like it's all it's all abuse stuff like it's crazy what these women are looking at you think it's bad on the men's side it is bad on the men's side don't get me wrong I mean it's it's such a toxic thing and for for any guys that are watching like the freedom that comes when that's out of your life and you're not even thinking because it it's it's like any addiction where you get it out for a long enough period of time you don't even think about it and you're just free of it. And it's an amazing feeling to not have that that weight that thing held on you just the corpse of a dead soul dragging you down. It's really is so like I mean it it does need to be talked about just needs to be talked about by men to men and women to women and that's just the proper role for this conversation to happen feminism was the first sin it true no not even it feminism was the first sin but really it was it was Adam not being a man like Adam being afraid to say things like this. And I refuse to do that I'd rather go to I'd rather be cast out from the Catholic content arena where people won't talk to I don't care I'm not going to not talk about this because this is like the root of everything. It really is and and there's the only way to fix it is to confront the issue and talk about it and get and and police our own and tell the Catholic women that are doing this stuff like you are meant to lead the culture in what femininity looks like so going out and being the girl boss is not the way to fix it. You're just creating Catholic feminists what good is that like I really do think Lila Rose is more dangerous for girls to listen to than Pearl yeah because Lila's with Pearl people will real women will realize the the issues there. But Lila's more subtle that's it that's it and the and it's every conservative woman that you see that's public presents herself as a conservative Christian and they're all feminists every single one of them and I'll say this there's no chance in there's no chance Michael Matt would let his wife publicly speak to men about this issue. Never would he allow no I know he wouldn't so it's like it's like well I would never let my wife do it but I'll you know when this other guy's wife does it it's totally fine. No no it's not like I would never ever I would be horrified if my wife was talking to men about this issue. Like what are you what this is horribly immodest what are you doing would never happen see what else he says do you want me to play more yeah yeah we'll go through it because after this we're gonna after this I wanna I want to play um I want to play the Greek Orthodox priest talking about um if the Catholic church had maintained momentum from night and from 1890 to 1960 we would be a Roman Catholic nation and it's uh and we'll go to that next and this ties into this because all of this is about the church letting women take the lead it's it's it's mutual submission it's this idea that men and women both have authority and the the the man should you know they should co um co-govern together and that's literally the problem with the hierarchy and the laity right now with synodality right it's the hierarchy who's supposed to be in charge telling people what to do going we need to listen to the laity let's have synodality no this is mutual submission and it's distorted and it is ripping the church apart right now yeah and if you don't see that you're really missing what the crisis is about because this really is the root of everything it's it's the priests at the parish afraid to tell the women hey shut up we're not playing that crappy song we're gonna play Gregorian chant we're gonna have kneelers we're gonna have all it's it's it's our bishops our priests it's every single man afraid to tell women no when they're supposed to I'm not saying just go around telling women no no no but there's a time where it needs to be done and when it's supposed to be done and men don't do it you are you are going to face the wrath of God for every time you were supposed to be a man and you shirp your responsibility you are made to be kind and great and gracious and strong and stand for something because men listen to me I am too tired to do your job then don't what about Saint Catherine of Siena was she nagging Pope Gregory when she admonished him saying quote since God has given you authority and you have assumed it you should use your virtue and power and if you are not willing to use it it would be better for you to resign was she nagging Michael do you know the irony of the quote you just posted do you not hear the irony of the quote you just posted she privately speaking to the Pope first off like it is a private correspondence but if you she's the Pope was afraid to use his authority and if you won't use it it would be better for you to resign Michael if you are unafraid to discuss this issue realistically it would be better that you resign because this is the heart of the issue this is I mean we're we're dealing with Pope Leo appointing women to dicasteries now we're doing I mean this is this is this is the problem I don't know I don't know how much more I can because even even the even the most patriarchal homes that we that we have in our culture now yeah that's the other thing Lila Rosa is not Saint Catherine like that's like seriously in these arguments there's only like three women they can ever bring up say St. Catherine of Sienna Saint Joan of Arc notice how they never bring up the blessed virgin because they can't it's it look this but even the most patriarchal homes that we know like we're all infected with feminism my family is infected with all of us are infected with feminism so much so that we like we don't even notice it when it's happening it's endemic in society you can't it's just everywhere and it's it's just everywhere and I'm telling you like it's a really difficult it's a really difficult issue for those of us raising girls and and trying to govern our homes when the men who are supposed to be the leaders of this thing won't speak out and speak truthfully about this issue. Catherine said use your authority Lila is saying give me the authority 100% this this is um it's just men afraid to tell women no it's what it comes down to I mean it's it's everything that's going on right now. So um do you should we keep going with it? I I mean I let's keep going with it we'll give it a few more minutes okay give it a few more minutes what are there Walter there are four women doctors of the church there's one judge is uh Israelite judge um Judith I believe um literally sounds I mean are they all just a bunch of nags another nagging feminist does this woman also need to shut up and stop nagging us big tough guys we are all pivotal time industry the bottom is at such a pitch and the stress are so high we're not looking dead to reformers we are literally fighting for civilization God has been dethroned man has been enthroned and society is descending into chaos we must we must enthrone God in our hearts and in our homes friends I'm sorry I forgot yeah that's not yeah like you do you wouldn't let uh we wouldn't let her come and give a conference a conference on pornography to be a friend conference right that's not what Lila was doing do you imagine do you can you honestly imagine how off putting it would be for that sister to come and speak to the conference about porn like it would be when I was in CCD right and it was mostly taught by two old Benedictine nuns when the subjects of you know like the sixth and ninth commandments came up the priests came in to talk to the yeah the men about those they didn't let the nuns teach the guys about porn and masturbation it's just it's it's yeah like think about what the what the subject matter is Michael this matters yeah and it's he's using the exact same arguments as uh the people who want women priests so it's really but the thing is look and I and I I want to be fair to him because I I I understand the urge the the male urge to defend women right like the like white knighting isn't a thing because it's like we're just starting to break open the simping thing right like it's it's it like this is a phenomenon where men are starting to realize wait a minute man I have covered for women way too much and defended their honor because like there's this distorted understanding of chivalry where you think it is your role to defend women's honor no matter what it's like yes like you you do you do want to defend women's and that's why I'll say also we do like we do need to be cautious in how we criticize these women too like it might be like a sick own or something like that when you're an anonymous account on Twitter but in reality like there's there's a there's a way in which you don't want to lose your soul in in talking about this stuff so I mean we're all guilty of it but you know it it's yeah you you have to keep in mind people like Lila and and your Susan at the parish council they they really do think they're helping the church they really do and there has not been a man to correct them and if a man corrected them and said hey look this is actually a little out inappropriate and out of bounds don't cover that topic with men like it's just as simple as that like a man needs to instead of white knighting for her and coming in as her chivalrous defender somebody who loves her should privately pull her aside and say Lila this is actually not right for you to be talking about publicly you know I know the Twitter trolls are going at you and I know you know but first off even that like the the the trolls going at someone that stuff gets to a person like that that's not good for a person. So you know reason I blocked all the studies it's just not good to have that kind of ridicule coming at you 247 even if it's online and you could put your phone down because we're all addicted to our phones and we're all tempted to look at the comments and when you just see what it's doing is she's trolling with these conversations she's getting a reaction she's making money off of it she's getting getting more attention for it and it's and it's distorting her view of men because now she thinks all Catholic men like there's a serious misogyny problem in the Catholic male sphere when she's the one stirring this controversy like if you see you're getting that kind of reaction how about a little self-reflection go okay this is you know this is not being received well maybe I should back off of this a little bit there's just no time where there's ever a woman being corrected and she takes any kind of accountability and goes oh this was probably a bad luck maybe I should maybe I should that video down of the the the snake oil salesman that I did but no they'll never any self-reflection no no we found a priest who said it was okay oh did you we found a priest who said it was okay the name of course won't tell us the name of that priest because that priest he'll catch hell for it but um yeah X is definitely a hellhole so it's just it's been a lot more fun now that we know where accounts are though yes dude how great is that anytime somebody like anytime somebody criticized me I just look right away it's like okay from you're from India of course you are I have a meme ready to go if they are from India too it's like all this time we thought uh uh set of contism was an American phenomenon it turns out it's all Indian trolls I'm only getting the set is I'm just teasing you um why don't we jump over to uh the cat uh the Orthodox priest talking about uh Catholicism and do we want to do uh super chats oh you want to do super chats yeah let's go do super chat just on this subject and then we can yeah um all of them because somebody left a 50 super chat so I want to make sure we get I know that's on this subject um so first off what are we talking about with emj what do you guys think I I have a lot of things I want to talk to them about so I I I've read degenerate moderns I've read logos rising so I'm definitely talking all the way through logos rising I probably made it three quarters of the way through that's a long book yeah I made it like a little over halfway it's a long book but I'll tell you that was my first that the opening chapters of Logos Rising were the first fracturing of evolution for me. Yeah it was like the first cracking of the facade on evolution for me. So I want to talk something about that definitely want to talk something about Mejigory um I mean we're we're obviously going to cover the JQ but I want to save that for later in the show I want to cover those topics with him I want to get into I'm gonna talk liturgy with him I'm gonna you know we're I'm gonna discuss some of the some of the I'm gonna talk no shortate I want to I want to I want to get into some stuff with him I think it'll be a different interview than he's that he's ever done because we we don't interview like most people do. Yes we are doing locals tonight Paul um at my hospital have a lot of young resident doctors 80% female I think if women are so empowered and can work it takes away from the incentive for the women to quit their job and stay home working class men have dignity that women should submit to I mean that's just obvious right like the the whole incentive structure is upside down in our culture where I mean well like the epidemic of young men who can't get jobs because women are given these jobs and the it it's lead it's going to lead to preferentially given these jobs yeah but it's going to lead to a role like there's nothing more dangerous than young men who can't get jobs can't buy homes who can't start families like you have a humongous population of that category right now in our country and those are the men who go and start revolutions. I'm just telling you it is yeah this one wasn't a uh a super chat but it was very good so um why didn't God bear the cross in a woman's body intentional or not the crucifixion is quite symbolic of the self-sacrifice of men yeah so like you add in but that look but that also the the the way christ has been portrayed in contemporary art very feminist has has distorted our view of him like this whole idea of the chosen Jesus um it's it presents jesus as this hippie like figure who's just gentle and never stern and and never never masculine and like putting his foot down about things and you know there's a reason why you never see christ laughing in the gospels doesn't mean christ never laughed in his real life it's like there's a reason you don't ever see God's mirth in scripture and it it's because it could be taken out of context or you know put in a certain way but when you read the gospels you see a very specific type of Christ and then when he's portrayed in modern art or modern films things like that you get this very effeminate version of Christ who's just all mercy and no justice and I think that's distorted a lot of our views and and that male urge to lay down your life as a sacrifice and when you see a woman getting beat beat up online yeah there is this desire to like all right guys chill out come on why you guys beating up on the girl I get it like I'm I don't I don't I'm not even gonna like I I know Michael Matt's motives are good but it still comes down to this issue of allowing it to have gotten to this point and it it's because the church has completely dropped the ball and while all these revolutions were taking place in the 60s the the hippie generation when the sexual revolution was happening the church should have come out and warned the culture about those things and talked about feminism and talked about communism and talked about all the sexual revolution and instead it wanted to play footsie with the devil and that's what the council did it played footsie with the devil and we see where that has led us i mean it's led to the craziness we're seeing in Rome now and that and and it's like every trad argument comes down to this stuff comes down to the church's approach to the Jews and the church's approach to women that is where the everything went wrong. And feminism is largely influenced by the first group so yeah 100% yeah so um it's uh it's not nice to experience but trolls and bullies do an important job telling people when they're behaving incorrectly blaming them is sometimes valid but often you should take accountability that but that's the that's the thing right you don't actually ever see women have any self-reflection on any of these things I'm telling you right now if I put something out and I get a lot of pushback there's two ways I go about it one one is I'll I'll think about it like all right this was a bad take now sometimes I won't take it down because I don't want it to be an act of cowardice and like you know it's almost like you don't want to whitewash you made your bed lie in it kind of thing right but it doesn't mean I don't regret posting it it's more just I don't want to be a coward and pretend I didn't say what I said. So it's an accountability thing. But there's never a time where I get a lot of pushback on something where I don't reflect on it. There's never a time where a friend calls me and tells me hey man I didn't really like your take on this where I don't okay I'm open to fraternal correction here because I don't think my friend would call me if it if there wasn't you know a justified reason. Eric Salmons did that with me recently and I had a good back and forth with him. It it it happens right but I don't see that happening on women's side of things to be fair you had a locals crash out first after marriage but man that was good it was a it was a fun episode if you missed that one kids okay so what are we going all right so let's go into the Orthodox priest real quick and then we're going over to locals I got a lot of stuff where did you send that video telegram it's in the Twitter Twitter thing I never sent it over to Telegram yeah don't watch Lila or Pearl don't watch either one of them okay it's funny because I've held off on weighing in on the on the Michael Matt trading thing for so long right this this was it it's like I've held off like I didn't want to get involved in the in the uh catholic esquire and Stephen Cox and Michael Matt thing I was like no I don't no offense to anyone involved to defend Lila Rose didn't you like just there's never a time I'm gonna be able to be quiet about that.

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I'm sorry yes he did rant for a whole hour after Eric texts didn't he that was a fun show too it was fun the religious scene in America since the late 60s the Roman Catholic Church which from 1890 until 1960 was on an ascendancy that if it had maintained itself we would be a Roman Catholic nation. You know when John F. Kennedy was running for president he was very concerned the whole nation was concerned about this ascended Catholicism there were six million students in Roman Catholic schools in 1955. That is an incredible number since that time uh due to an over-Americanization and a loss of salt uh in the Roman Catholic Church the church has has declined radically for decades for every one new person becoming Catholic six would leave the church that's a terrible equation today the Roman Catholic school system has 1.5 million kids in it that's a 75% uh reduction uh in in America while the population is like almost doubled or something like that okay it's not tripled now just think if the if the if the council never happens Catholic education we sure it wasn't more like 277 at most father I don't know what you're talking about.

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Six million seems a little high was there enough desks for six million that seems a little high all right we're gonna get in trouble with this go on yeah um all right um the uh can you imagine if the Catholic school system had actually stayed remained intact and not diverged into this ecumenical cesspool that it is the land the lakes thing never happens and we actually had the opportunity to indoctrinate those six million kids properly and give them a proper educate proper Catholic education do you know how many conversions because how many non-Catholics send their kids to Catholic schools or even the kids even if it was only Catholics like how many Catholics we could have prepared to evangelize America like this whole nation would look different and it all comes down to this issue it really does it all just comes down to this stuff it's like it it it's men being afraid to say the truth it is every pope since the council is has this deep shame about Talking about the truths of the faith, so they water everything down, everything is just watered down Catholicism. And I'm sorry, but like I don't like Tom was saying, like he loves Michael Matt, he's a little kooky, but he's like, I have been watching Michael Matt for 15 years, 20 years. I mean, I've been watching Michael Matt forever. It's it's just there's some things that just you're missing the conversation here, Michael. And I you know the thing is the the talking past each other. Like I tried to reasonably respond to him, and he just ignores me. So it's like, okay, we'll talk about it here. Because I would have I would have appreciated a little back and forth, and maybe like uh uh him going, oh, maybe I'm missing something here. Maybe you guys can enlighten me to something I'm missing here. But no, it's this stubborn, it's I'm right, always I know everything. It comes from every corner of the Catholic sphere. Everybody gets buried in their position, and they only wanna they only want to be the they're the only ones that are right, they're never not willing to actually hear the other side of the argument. Michael Matt presented a straw man of the argument from the young guys that are reacting to this kind of stuff, and he defeated a straw man argument. It's like cool, yeah. It's like it's I don't even know if he really defeated a that argument. Well, I mean, what what he said sounds like it's right, but it's just not. It's uh you know, you're presenting you're present. I'm always right though, Molly. I'm different. Um, the you're presenting you're different. Oh, you're very different. You're presenting a case that doesn't exist to try and set it up and knock it down, where the straw man uh that's a straw man, and to steel man the argument, you have to go back to understanding how disordered our culture is. And I think men, especially the younger guys, are fed up with it and they're just like, I uh this something's gotta change. Like, we're sick of it, we're taught, we're tired of it. We don't want to hear you women do this anymore. And the straw him setting up a straw man wasn't because he was arguing in bad faith, it was because he he just really doesn't understand it. He's out of touch with the right. So that's why I like he's he's out of touch with this argument because he's not talking to the guys dealing with this, he's not understanding where people's animosity on this issue comes from. And it's because the women who tend to make a name for themselves in this space all present this feminist girl boss Colicism, and it's dangerous, it's wicked, it's not good. They're they're telling women to wait until they're 30 to go get their degree and go take care of themselves and do the and then they wait until and it's devastating to these young women, it really is, it's devastating to them because they're waiting until they're 30, and then they have a couple of years to have kids, they gotta then they're you know, they're dealing with fertility issues, and yeah, like Lila played a video today of all these women who are over 30 aching because they're lonely and they don't have somebody. Now, I want to be clear like anybody in that position, my heart goes out to because loneliness is like soul crushing to be alone. Like, I it's not a day that goes by. I don't thank God that I have my wife and kids because I have people who I love and that love me. So anybody if I'm if I'm in my house for like six hours by myself, yeah. It's it's it's kind of you feel weird, right? It's like so anybody that's anybody that is lonely and doesn't hasn't found somebody yet. I'm not I don't want to rag on you, it's just our culture has sold you a bill of goods that is just trash. It's like go to college, go, you know, telling women to go get degrees and become bosses and go starting and travel the world and all this crap. And it's like, I'm sorry, but wrapped up in that is what Lila did. Lila went and, yeah, since she was 15 years old, she's a pro-life warrior. And it's like, you know what? Maybe we should just get women out of the pro-life move, leading the pro-life movement. Maybe they can let men take the lead on it and they can come assist us and be our helpmate. They can pray on the sidewalk, be our helpmate. Let men go back to controlling it so that we get away from this idea that women hold no responsibility in abortion, it's only the doctors who are responsible. It's like if we don't tell women that what they're doing, they'll be held to account for it. They don't, oh, like this constant excusing for this. Oh no, no, no, you're just a victim, you're just a victim of the culture that told you that it was just a clump of cells. No, you're not. I'm sorry, but there's not a woman in the world who goes and has that procedure done who doesn't understand they are killing their own child. Yeah, I am. And to keep excusing it like that and pretending they're victims. Now, there are plenty of cases where the man pressures the woman into like that. That's and that's disgusting. And those men should be held to account and they should be prosecuted, like that. But each case needs to be weighed individually. And if it's the man forcing a woman to do it, then he's the one responsible. But most of the women getting this procedure done are using it as a form of birth control. Yeah, when when someone kills another person, we don't be you know, we don't before arresting them go, do they do they really know what they were doing? No, we arrest them, we charge them with the crime, and then their culpability, their ability to understand right and wrong, um, you know, whether or not they were forced to do it, all that comes out in the legal process, yeah, in the legal process, and you and you get to the root of it. And if a woman was forced into it, then obviously she's got less culpability. It's just this this issue on men and women is one that really needs to be talked about, it needs to be figured out, and we have to get to the root of it. So, all right, we're going to go over to locals. Um, we want I want to talk, I do want to talk about the the women bailing thing, if we could get to that. Um, the let me see. Rob and I have some uh exciting news of stuff we did behind the scenes. Uh that exciting. Oh, for me, it is. I'm very excited. Oh, I don't know, I know why. It feels very official, and it does feel official, yeah. It just kind of feels like a real thing now. And are you gonna get cards made? Maybe all right. We're gonna talk over there. Um, there was uh, so I know it. I know you guys probably a little sick of the conversation, but there was a segment of that Nick Fuentes interview where it sounded like it was an avoiding Babylon episode where he talks about 15 minutes. It sounds like we'll go through that and because it really sounds like an avoiding Babylon episode. It's really interesting how this conversation he sounds almost like Peugeot. It's like it has nothing to do with duty or anything. He talks like Peugeot, he doesn't sound like Peugeot. Thanks. Correct, yeah. But the ideas that he's getting at are so it was you know, maybe we'll play that clip and and we'll just talk. I got I got some things I want to ask you. Good luck at Mass and Michael Matthews. Thanks, Andrew. He's just gonna ignore you and pretend he doesn't know you like he always does. I hope so this time. Last time I literally my six-year-old literally handled him money was sitting on my lap.

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But whatever.

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All right, let's go over the little um hold on, hold on. Uh the EMJ interview is December 4th. December 4th, and then we also have um Daniel O'Connor coming up.

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Did you schedule Daniel?

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Daniel, yeah. Well, he's he's gonna pick a date. He said mid-December. So, um, because that documentary came out, um the the disclosure or something, like the uh I I who we might want to be careful because the people who did that documentary are are already sending cease and desist to almost any podcast that talks about it. That's interesting. Well, Daniel O'Connor, he did a documentary that's coming out also. Oh, it's called The Age of Disclosure, and he did a documentary called The Age of Deception. So we're gonna get him on to talk to him. Um, my brother, uh, the boiler's done. He's just trying to pick a car out. He hasn't picked the car out. Once he picks the car out, that's when we're gonna get him on. But he's got you know, he's got all the money, he's just trying to find a good car. So once he does that, we'll get him on. We are not doing a show Thursday, right? No show Thursday for Thanksgiving. Um Advent starts Sunday. When I get home from traveling on Sunday night, I hope to do it, will be probably late Sunday night. I'll start the Advent series from Divine Intimacy, but the rest of those two chills will probably be in the morning. Yeah. So Sunday night will be the first one, but then it'll be in the morning for the rest of the episodes. What is this about? What is what is what does this mean? No idea. Um do we have any other announcements? I don't think so. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you're talking about my brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My brother, yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything's done, everything's good. Everything's working and well. Contracted. Did he get the lien waivers though? Do not make the final payment until he gets the gets lien waivers. So when you when when you have work done on your house, um the contractor can put a lien. No, this didn't happen. I think you're done. Yeah, everything is done. There's nothing like that on it. It's everything's fine. But yeah, thank you for that. Um yeah, all right, let's go to the other side because I I want to talk about some stuff. Like a personal. I was thinking of some I was thinking of some old school stories we could tell.

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Old school stories, interesting.

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Oh no, are we still on YouTube? Um Rob's gonna say the M word. Rob's gonna say the N word on locals. Join us. What N word on everybody you're gonna say the N word on