Is Michael Matt Alienating Young Trads? (Full LOCALS Version)

A social media firestorm over who should speak to men about pornography reveals something bigger: a generation hungry for ordered roles, modesty in public discourse, and real male leadership. We don’t argue that truth changes based on who says it; we argue that formation does. When a woman publicly lectures men about intimate vice, younger Catholics hear the same influencer template that’s drained trust for years. That doesn’t make the message false—it makes the medium misaligned with modesty and with what actually helps men change.

We lay out the fault lines clearly. Older commentators tend to applaud any anti-porn messaging as a win; younger men want mentoring from fathers, priests, and brothers who have fought the fight. We challenge the “girlboss” dynamic in Catholic media that flips headship in homes and movements, and we call out the “Catholic longhouse” where male leaders defer instead of deciding. The aim isn’t to diminish women—it’s to honor complementary roles: women exhorting women, men exhorting men, and a public square that respects decorum. We get practical about how men actually recover freedom: testimony, fraternity, accountability, sacrament, and silence before God.

Beyond the feud, we zoom out to the spiritual landscape. As materialism collapses, pagan substitutes—astrology, crystals, occult “wellness”—rush in. If the Church won’t meet people with awe and clarity, the internet will. We share a reset for Advent: fasting that restores focus, a return to Scripture—especially John’s Gospel—to rekindle wonder, and concrete habits that put authority and service back in their right places. Along the way, we trace lessons from history, where civilizations survived because men accepted costly responsibility and women safeguarded culture with quiet strength.

Listen for a candid, grounded path forward: fewer hot takes, more headship; fewer podiums, more real mentorship; fewer algorithms, more sacraments. If this conversation challenged you—good. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs it, and leave a review with your take on who should lead men out of vice and how we build that culture now.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Setting The Stage: Online Catholic Feud
• 2:10 Respect For Michael Matt, With Caveats
• 6:30 The Lila Rose Pornography Debate
• 11:20 Generational Divide: Boomers vs Gen Z
• 17:30 Merch, Sponsors, And Keeping The Show Afloat
• 22:40 Modesty, Roles, And Public Decorum
• 30:10 Critiquing Female Influencers And Girlboss Culture
• 38:05 Men’s Responsibility, Authority, And Mutual Submission
• 46:20 Who Should Address Men About Porn
• 54:10 Parish Culture, Feminism, And Leadership Failures
• 1:03:00 Saints, Examples, And Misapplied Analogies
• 1:10:40 The “Catholic Longhouse” And Gatekeeping
• 1:18:00 Orthodoxy Clip And What Could Have Been
• 1:25:40 Astrology, Pagan Revivals, And Church Relevance
• 1:33:20 Advent, Fasting, And Returning To Scripture
• 1:41:30 History Detour: Vlad, Legend, And Propaganda
• 1:49:50 Security, Jihad, And The West’s Resolve

Transcript

SPEAKER_06: 0:10

Milo Rose is a feminist nag who has no business telling men what to do when it comes to pornography. Mala Rose has finally been told to shut the F up. Because men will not be nagged.

SPEAKER_08: 0:30

The return of Tappy.

SPEAKER_11: 0:38

This is going well already.

SPEAKER_08: 0:39

Oh, this is gonna be a fun one. All right, well, right, right off the bat, I do want to say um we're not like taking.

SPEAKER_09: 0:47

Right off the bat, he's apologizing.

SPEAKER_08: 0:49

Yeah, like we're not listening it was a slow news day. We were I was looking for stuff all day to talk about, and I'm like, yeah, I think we have to go with this. Look, this is this is the conversation that's happening online right now. It's um it's one of them. I mean, there are several, but the the the conversation about um the proper place for men and women, the proper understanding of what it means to be a traditional Catholic. There's a lot of things going on. So we figured we'd uh add our commentary to the mix. Um, and uh but wait, and Ant wonders why people don't want to no no no. I'll tell you right now, Molly. I play nice with all these people, they don't want to talk to me, and now the gloves are off. I don't know not really what's happening. Um, yeah, but they've been keeping us out of the conversation, they want to act like we don't exist, so what's to tell you? Yeah, um, no, right off the bat, I will actually say that um Michael Matt is obviously a legend in the Catholic commentary world. He's um he's probably part of the reason we're able to do this. Like he's owed a ton of respect. Um I mean, his family going back generations, generations. I mean, he is you know, he is owed a ton of respect. So this is this stream is not meant to denigrate him in any way, it's not meant to take shots at him. It's just the conversation that went on on Twitter, and he addressed it on his show. And I kind of want to address some of the points he brought up and see if because I see it's you just see the two generations talking past each other, you see the older guys old like Gen X and and the boomers are not understanding the conversation and where Gen Z and younger millennials are coming from. And Rob and I find ourselves kind of in the middle of that, and I tend to see both sides, and you know, I I just think that there's a way to to have this conversation without it being insulting to anybody, without but it you know, when I watched Michael Matt and I watch almost every episode of the remnants, but when I watched this week's episode without being insulting, did you see the intro we just played? Oh, he knows you guys can't laugh at your when you have no business doing this. I mean, honestly, if you can't if you can't see a goofy video where somebody's teasing you a little bit, then you shouldn't be in the public spotlight. I don't know, but um, yeah, I I I watch pretty much every remnant video, I always have like for years. Um, but this one just seemed a little out of touch, and I and I thought Michael Matt was straw manning the younger guy's position, um, and he was making it like this is a rad trad, uh a young rad trad thing, and I don't think that's what it is at all. I think it's uh a younger generation that is just making what making what a young red uh the the it the top the the the you know what we'll just have to play the video and get into it so you actually understand the context, but it seems like the conversation around Lila Rose talking about pornography, two men, um, and there's a lot of it's a lot of chaos around this issue. Like the younger guys are like, why don't you just shut up and not say anything about this? And the older guys are like, Well, she's saying something good. This is good. If you know Michael Matt says in the video, he says, if Kamala Harris came out and said something against abortion, I would applaud her. But there's context to that. So I think we should just get into playing the video. We won't string this out, but one thing we haven't uh promoted in a long time is um oh, and uh Angela says happy birthday to you, Rob. But we haven't promoted the um the merch store in a very long time. We Rob's birthday was yesterday.

SPEAKER_09: 4:24

We never even brought up the the all the Vatican first hats I made.

SPEAKER_08: 4:29

Vatican first. We have uh have you accepted Mary as your personal mother and intercessor? We got a lot of stuff over this.

SPEAKER_09: 4:35

Let me bring it all up real quick.

SPEAKER_08: 4:37

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SPEAKER_09: 5:38

If you guys want to uh let's see here, the new the newest stuff are new that I can first hats that came from that.

SPEAKER_08: 5:45

Uh I forget who put out the meme, but yeah, somebody somebody was pointing out that all like the the all the most consequential cat commentators in the political world Catholic Walsh, yeah. Like that every everybody's Catholic. It's like Jack Pesobic, everybody, everybody's Catholic. So we were just uh pointing out that yes, we're all Vatican first. Then here's the the the OG. That's that's basically our um flagship shirt. That is a a tweet that I sent out that went insanely viral and infuriated the Protestants. It's a great conversation starter. So all right, let's get into Michael Matt. Um Michael Matt addressing the controversy around Lila Rose discussing pornography with men in the public sphere. And he was not happy about the reaction he got to one of his tweets. So we'll we'll we'll play a little bit of it, we'll pause it. It's a very long clip. I don't know how much of it we'll get to, and then we got we got a lot of fun stuff for locals tonight.

SPEAKER_04: 6:53

They should and shouldn't do. And as I've said before, any woman that tells men what to do is a feminist.

SPEAKER_06: 6:58

Now, this story exploded. I just weighed in on X this week and I couldn't believe it because I mean Lila Rose obviously is right. She says about pornography. Uh and Lila Rose is no traditionalist, so I don't have a dog in this fight. That's what I'm talking about. This polarization is tribalism has got to stop. Okay, people say, I don't like Lila Rose. And I say, you know what? If Cammy Harris, Camilla Harris, had said something against pornography or against abortion, I would praise her for it. And I would quote her and I would say she's right. Okay. So the tribalism, first of all, has got has got to stop. But what Lila Rose is a Catholic, what she said is objectively true, friends. And here's where the story, the story to me, is the fallout, what happened after this little interview that we just showed you. I weighed in and defended her on X, thinking, well, everybody's going to, right? No, not so. In fact, I was kind of um, yeah, you can check it out on my Twitter feed. I was, I was lambasted by a bunch of guys, I guess Nick Fuentes types or fans, right? Who are absolutely thrilled that Lila Rose has finally been told to shut the F up. Yes, I'm quoting. That's what they're saying. You can see it in the thread, even on my my X feed. All right. Many of these guys claim to be traditional Catholics, and I'm astonished. Totally astonished. And they like to call me a boomer for this, and that's fine. I'm not a boomer, but I'm an older guy, and yeah, this is horrifying. This is horrible. The reaction to what happened to Lila Rose on the part of people claiming all right.

SPEAKER_08: 8:28

So, um, now if Kamala Harris had said something positive on abortion or against pornography, yes, we would all like praise that. That's that's a fair point. But I think Michael is missing the context of the Lila situation because um the and this isn't a a traditionalist point of view, it's it's younger guys who are just kind of sick of feminism in all its forms. And the and there are two sides to this, also, so I will give the other side, but um the there's something deeper about this conversation that goes to modesty, like it's it's more it's it's less than Lila, like because what Lila is saying may objectively be true, but the issue here is that we don't think it's appropriate for women to be discussing porn in any context with men, like married publicly, publicly, right? It's different if it's in her home with her sons or her husband. That's you know, that's a totally different thing, but for her to be addressing this publicly in a public forum, it's just highly immodest and inappropriate. And it gets it there's a deeper thing that's happening in our culture right now where young men are just kind of tired of women putting themselves in in a position where they're constantly haranguing men, like it's it's it's especially a bad look after the near portification of Father Mike Schmidt on Lila Rose's own show. Yeah, and and look, I'm I'm I'm also going to say, like, there's something about the way we're all like having this conversation that probably does need to be toned down a little bit, like we're just losing our crap, and we're all just so sick of the girl boss that it's coming out in bad ways. And and I say that because I cut I cut a black woman off in Queens today. Like I was driving my you almost lost your life. Lila has a bad track record like Sam and Father, Father Schmidt's uh hippie hippie neck George Floyd, George Floyd. Um, so I I cut a black woman off when I was driving in Queens today, and she was irate, and she comes around and catches up to me at the light, and she's like ready to flip out on me, and I roll the window down, and I was just like, Miss, you're a hundred percent right. I apologize. I was not paying attention, and I last minute I saw my GPS and I turned. I disarmed this woman so much just by the way I was apologetic and didn't fight back and because I could have just been like, Shut up, you when I you know, but I was very nice to her and totally disarmed her. And she was like, I'm sorry, honey. You know, she's like, I know I won't do my black woman impression.

SPEAKER_09: 11:16

She was for anyone who was in North Carolina with us, they all know black women have a thing for you.

SPEAKER_08: 11:23

Yeah, I do have a way with black women, but um, so yeah, there may be a way in which we're handling this conversation, it's a little out of control, but I think it's because the younger guys are just so fed up with it. But Lila does have a track record, she has a history. Look, they're looking at a woman who didn't take her husband's last name, she's out there talking about how first wave feminism was good, and if it wasn't for first wave feminism, women couldn't be on these podcasts talking about abortion in the first place, and it's like a lot of this has to go does go to the older generation kind of allowing this stuff to happen, right? And it's the they never had the fortitude to tell women, hey, you don't belong in this position. This is this is why women run every parish. It comes at like so. I said I actually tweeted at Michael. I said, Michael, how can you be against altar girls, but then before the girl boss podcasts are telling men to do this? Like it's the same thing, yeah, it's literally the same thing.

SPEAKER_09: 12:24

Like that um that that that tweet about the uh the the Jewish woman who's the one of the big reasons why women don't veil in church these days.

SPEAKER_08: 12:34

That was I actually threw that tweet because I didn't know the history of that. Um, we we can get into that. We'll we'll finish the Michael Mass stuff and then we'll get into that because that's actually a really interesting topic. I did not know all of that. Just the history of women no longer veiling in in church was this movement started by a Jewish woman.

SPEAKER_09: 12:56

Yeah, it's it's not that the church decided it was no longer needed, it was a feminist revolution, and it was in Canaan law until 1983.

SPEAKER_08: 13:04

So and all of it is about overthrowing the patriarchy. And you look at someone like not just Lila, but the other girl who runs the students for life thing, like we're looking at Kristen Hawkins. Yeah, we're looking at these two women who are making half a million dollars a year each, their husbands stay home and take care of the kids and homeschool them while they're off earning the living, and we're just like very proud of that, actually, though. And we're just like beside ourselves, and it has to do with the older generation never speaking up and not having the fortitude to tell women they don't belong in these positions, so you know. I I agree with Michael Matt in that what Lila Rose is saying is not not it's not untrue, like she's saying true things. There's but it's it's it's decorum, it's is it your place? Is it do you have you like is it it? Um, I think it was um Mike Pantile said e women even saying the word pornography in public could be a near occasion of sin for men, like it just it titillates their mind, and you know, especially a guy struggling with this stuff. So it's just scandalous in general for women to be discussing this topic online. And like you said, that last conversation that we did criticize Lila for it was her and her the girl that was on her show, and they're calling Father Mike Schmitz father um father what a waste, basically. I mean, they didn't say that literally, but they were basically like talking about how hot father Mike Schmitz is, and it's like the like they even like the the objectification of like a handsome priest even and the our culture is just so rotten at this point that it's gotten it's gotten vulgar online, especially on X. X is probably the most toxic place to hold these conversations, is why I thought it might be better to have this conversation on here. But all right, let's play a little more of Michael Matt. We'll see if there's some more stuff we can pick apart.

SPEAKER_06: 15:00

I'm gonna call them neo trads, by the way, neil rads, whatever. Bragging now about how they tell their women to shut their mouths because men will not be nagged. Again, I'm quoting nagged. I can be nagged, but anything, even porn use, they say. Now, when you do that, friends, obviously you are running the risk. If you're gonna go after Lila Rose here because she's nagging you about your porn or about porn, you run the risk of people naturally assuming, well, you don't have that much of a problem with porn then, because your issue is obviously much more with nagging women, right? Yeah, mine is you can see the the pornification of society is reaching.

SPEAKER_08: 15:42

I don't have any issues with porn, but I'm really bothered by nagging women. I don't know. I mean, I'm just being honest. I really dislike nagging women, they're annoying.

SPEAKER_09: 15:53

Um, hold on, no, no, hold on. You you are missing an exception that you actually love.

SPEAKER_12: 16:03

That's not how Catholicism works. Who are you? Who do you think you are?

SPEAKER_08: 16:10

That you're just and she's been mentioning us on her show. Well, because that one guy's been coming after us too. Um but um yeah, I yeah, all right, we'll play a little more. I I I think I missed something in there that I was going to say something about, but I kind of forgot what he said. But yeah, back it up like 10 seconds.

SPEAKER_06: 16:33

Uh people naturally assuming, well, you don't have that much of a problem with porn then because your issue is obviously right there. Obviously, you are running the risk. If you're gonna go after Lila Rose here because she's nagging you about your porn or about porn, you run the risk of people naturally assuming, well, you don't have that much of a problem with porn then because your issue is obviously much more with nagging women, right? You can see the pornification of society is reaching far corners, it's reaching everywhere now, you know. So I see this unfold and I'm like, what's going on? And again, Lila Rose is no friend of mine, she's no traditional Catholic, but I think she was 15 years old when she started devoting her entire life to saving babies. I think she deserves a little respect, don't you? No. These little Neo Trad guys, they sided with the creature who was beating up on Lila. Lila Rose can take it, doesn't it mean need me to defend real quick?

SPEAKER_08: 17:36

Like, okay, so so look, even even me, like I'm not I'm not siding with Pearl. Like, no, Pearl, we despise that woman. Pearl is the worst, she's obnoxious, she's annoying, but she she's the only woman who calls other women to account. And the the the whole thing is you you're constantly um yeah, she devoted her entire life to driving Alexa. The um not like she's suffering, guys. The this this whole this whole conversation is more about like first off, no man is gonna stop watching it because Lila said too. Like she she she it's just it's not in it's not like she's inspiring men to give it up. It's just it's not helpful at all. It's really just not.

SPEAKER_09: 18:22

And what she really wants to fight against porn, she should really be lecturing women, women about about about their porn use, on their their reading of smut, like come on, and getting and getting into the industry itself, and getting into the industry, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 18:37

Getting into the industry itself, so it's it's more like we just want the proper roles for men and women again, and they're so out of whack right now that so I I put up something before just asking who's responsible for the fall, Adam or Eve. And the reason I'm I was doing that is because you'll see it's it's because this is a trad issue because it comes down to when the church at after the council, the church dropped its guard on feminism, and uh John Paul II started talking about the feminine genius, they started allowing altar girls to come in, and all this stuff started happening. And it like the mutual submission thing comes into the equation, and mutual submission is from the pit of hell. And the people who push mutual submission will also be the people who say Adam is the reason that Eve ate the apple, because Adam should have protected Eve from the serpent even coming in. So they they recognize that Adam did have the authority to guard the garden and protect his wife, like that is actually Adam's role, he should have never allowed his wife to even speak to the serpent, but they'll blame Adam for that and then still blame him for the fall. Like it's it, and then still say, like, Eve, he didn't have the authority to tell Eve what to do. It's a really strange thing that happens. It's it it like men have to take all the blame in all the situations, and women are never held to account for anything. So it's like you either have to say, Yeah, well, Eve ate the apple first, or whatever the you know, the pomegranate first, so it's her fault, or you have to admit that no, Adam actually did have the authority to put an end to that, like he should have never allowed this to happen in the first place. And the the men who talk about mutual submission are so disordered because what they're actually what they're actually saying is they are shirking their responsibility as a man, and they don't want the blame, they want their wife to take some of the blame when things go wrong, and it's not okay. Like if you have a husband who talks like that, that that means he's afraid to embrace the authority that God has given him as a man. And men should tremble at the authority God has given us because it is a very big responsibility. And if you're out there allowing your wife to take part in managing, like having authority in your home, you're actually saying, Well, I don't want the blame when things go wrong. It's it's a shirking of your responsibility. So all of this comes down to this. And I think the younger guys are just like, all right, things are so out of whack. We're looking online and we're seeing the way these women are. You're looking at uh the the girl, I forgot her name, but whatever. She she goes to an Orthodox church and she's Morgan Ariel. Yeah, Morgan Ariel. She's dressed appropriately, she goes to an Orthodox church, but she has to take the selfie with her in it. And guys are seeing this, and they're just like, You are such a narcissist. Like you could have just taken a picture of the icon, but you have to put yourself in it.

SPEAKER_09: 21:37

It's that meme, right? The meme of guy sharing a photo of what they want to show people, and it's just the item, and then women sharing a photo of what they're gonna show people and their faces are in it.

SPEAKER_08: 21:46

Yeah, it's but it's it's it's really something that I think women need to talk to other women about. Like, if you go somewhere beautiful, take a picture of the beautiful thing. You don't need to be in the picture with the beautiful thing because it does just come off as narcissism. And I think you know, there's always going to be the simps who are like, Oh, you're so beautiful. And I think for a lot of guys who are beyond that stuff, we just look at it, we're just like, ew, like you're just craving this false, you're craving this fake affirmation from likes and stuff like that. And it's like just if you're if you're on a journey and you're heading to an Orthodox or a Catholic church and you're thinking about deepening your faith, don't tell the world about it. Like, do your journey and do it and figure it out. And when you get to that point, maybe then you could talk about it. But like, oh, I visited an Orthodox church, look at me, everybody. I'm on a journey. It's like it's just I I think everybody's just so done with the narcissism. I I'll say I I cannot warn men enough against you younger guys who are dating. Like, if you date a woman who's a social media influencer, you're insane. And I say that as a guy that's doing this stuff, like like to if you if you have a a a white, because all you see is this constant thing where women are embarrassing their spouse online, saying things they shouldn't say about their husband, revealing intimate details of their marriage, and it's just I think I think the the party's over, is all I'm saying. And I just think Michael Matt is missing the the wider context of what these younger guys are growing up in. They're growing up in a world where these are the only women they're having contact with because people don't go out and meet people in person anymore. The only interactions they're having are these interactions that are online, and this behavior just gets so grading to these guys, and they they want to see modesty, like modesty is so attractive now because it's so rare. So I think the the point on life modesty is is is about more than just what you're wearing, yeah. Yeah, it's that we constantly hear these women talking about how men need to be more Christ-like, and none of them act more Mary-like. It's it's it's like this this thing where men get to blame for everything, and it's totally fine for them. Like, I I don't know, I think we're just at a cultural moment where we all have to look at the things we've allowed to happen under our watch, and especially us older guys, and we have to go, okay, yeah, maybe we should have told these, told our wives no, or told our whatever women in our lives no, they can't do this because this thing has gotten so out of control at this point. Honestly, like the the the berating that Lila gets online, like that alone makes me look at her husband, like, what kind of man are you? Like, you allow your wire to you allow your wife to take this kind of abuse online, like that in itself is emasculating for her husband. I don't care. Like, I there is no scenario where I would let my wife be abused by strange men on the internet like that and not intervene and take her phone away. It's just like what are you doing as a man? This is the exact scenario of Adam not protecting his wife from the serpent. Lila is on the internet and the serpents are coming at her, and she keeps doing it and feeding into it, and her husband doesn't put his stupid foot down and say, knock it off because he loves the money too much. It's just you know, so we'll keep playing. We'll play, uh, we will get the super chats. Just I I want to get through all this and then and then we'll get to everything. But yeah, look, like Nicole's saying, like you uh for for the women who think that we're just being like macho, it's like don't envy the burden men carry as husbands and fathers. It's not an it's not an easy one, it really isn't. And and like you you talk about working out your salvation in fear and trembling, you are responsible for every every soul in your home as a man. You are the priest of your home. That is not a light uh uh calling, that is not a light vocation that has huge consequences. It's it's and you just see these women that are that have these positions as social media influencers, especially the Catholic ones, and you just think to yourself, like what like how do you sit back? Like, like she's the one that's online, she doesn't take his last name, he's not even allowed to have a social media profile. Could you imagine what they would do to that man? It's the same thing with religious hippies' husband, like he can't even be online because they'll massacre him. That poor guy. I feel bad for the husbands at the same time. I'm just like, dude, what are you doing? Yeah, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_09: 26:41

Can't pity them too much, they're failing in their own responsibilities. All right, let's keep going with this.

SPEAKER_06: 26:53

Horrific to see this. She was beaten up and mocking Lila Rose. She ends up muting Lila Rose and then laughing at Lila Rose like some 14 First off, that was our move first.

SPEAKER_08: 27:06

Yeah, we we invented the mute. Yeah, come on now. Pearl stole a bit from us. That's our bit.

SPEAKER_03: 27:16

It's um again. Can you hear me right now? Are you listening? Can you hear me?

SPEAKER_00: 27:22

Okay, um if you if you continue to mute me, I don't even know when you're muting me or not. I'm not gonna be able to have a conversation with you. I don't think you're acting in good faith right now. So I'm gonna I'm gonna have to end the stream with you if you're gonna continue to mute me.

SPEAKER_09: 27:36

Come on, Michael, it's funny. Come on.

SPEAKER_06: 27:44

So I thought, what am I missing here? You know? So I went over to this laughing trolls website and I found atrocious, you know, something that just made all of us blush, you know, even back in the 80s. A lot of dirty talk, you know, this woman behaving just crass behavior, uh, troll advice for men to divorce their fat wives and find sweet young things, sweet young honeys to go after and dicko. You know what I'm saying. But according to the Neo Trads, Lila Rose is the one who needs to shut up and stop nagging us dudes. So, does this woman also need to shut up and stop nagging us dudes? Yes.

SPEAKER_13: 28:27

But for just a brief moment, I would like to speak directly to the men. What?

SPEAKER_08: 28:31

I don't know, he's talking about this one. I think about Pearl. Yes, Pearl needs to shut up. But alright, who's this? I have no idea. You wanna play it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's play it. Let's a question should we tell this woman to shut up? Let's let's hear what she says.

SPEAKER_13: 28:52

Men. You are made for greatness. You are made to stand up and be men. You are made to defend women and children, not stand by and turn your head when you know murder is occurring and do nothing about it. You are not made to use women and leave us alone.

SPEAKER_08: 29:19

Pause it. Yeah, like everything she's saying is true. Is this message should just be coming from a man? I say it just rings so empty from a woman, I just don't care. It should just be coming from a man.

SPEAKER_09: 29:33

I'm sorry from a guy, I mean it would have you all pumped up. You'd be right.

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Like this message should be coming from. We're we're like, there's there's because you have to take into account the absolute lack of accountability that women hold each other to. I'm not saying all women, but like the women in these positions, because I do know some very good women who clearly do look out for other women. Like, I don't know I'm not, I don't, I'm not saying all I'm talking about these women specifically who are in the public. like this they're constantly talking about how it's men's fault and they never hold one another to account they just don't they don't they don't it's like and anytime they try to because I did see um I did see one or two uh women try to actually address it and say something I think it was um I forgot her name uh Jay something but yeah women ray wit raise boys but men raise men that's yeah but the whole point but but also a woman does have that authority over her boys though yeah like this is a very different thing like a woman a mother in her home absolutely yes like you should say this to your boys at home 100 but it will mean more coming from their father but it will but but that is your that is that is absolutely within your authority to talk to your children your boys about this i like that's a very different thing than what we're talking about here um the it it's it's whenever women try to hold other women to account you will get other women in the comments blaming men it's it's bizarre they'll like if a woman tries to say women don't um don't get involved in OnlyFans this is a disgusting industry whatever you'll get a hundred women underneath going yes but if men didn't consume this content women wouldn't be tempted to go towards it it's only because men buy it that we are doing it it's like there's just no place where women hold women to account and where and now men are not holding men to account men are only attacking women like we're just this whole culture is so upside down right now everything is just upside down right now look at look at look at all the trouble two women podcasters cause guys and the and the uh yeah it's just and they're fighting and arguing with random men they don't know on the internet instead of instead of being home like go go home be home with your family let your husband handle these battles these are not these are just it's just i i'm sorry they're just and and the thing is the trads are the worst about this like they really are the worst about this i'm telling you i go to trad parishes and i the the men in these trad parishes they're more henpecked than any men I see they're afraid of their wives this because this ultimately doesn't really come down to Lila this ultimately comes down to husbands allowing their wives to do this stuff right it's like it and and Michael Matt I'm calling you out I didn't make this show about Lila I made this show about you because you are excusing this stuff like men have to stop excusing this stuff and that's the ultimate point of this whole thing. So yeah these young guys are going nuts about this but why are we as men not trying to fix the problem at the root of the problem which is women are trying to be men and they can't be men need to be men. Women need to be women we should be encouraging women to be more feminine and men to be more masculine and instead we're allowing women to run the pro-life movement we're allowing women to run our parishes we're allowing women to run everything and we're all just like and everything falling apart you said something true and the whole world is collapsing around us. The church is falling apart the dread life the the pro-life movement is in shambles Rob the the church itself at the heart of the issue is men priests who are supposed to be priests of souls are afraid to say no to women it is why you have every Susan from the parish council it's why you have altar girls up in the sanctuary it's why when a call when you try calling a parish to go set an appointment for confession the girl in the in the office the secretary in the office will tell you oh no no no you have to come at the right time it's like this is the problem the root of the problem is men not being men and allowing women because they're afraid to say no because men just like Adam wanted to please his wife this innate desire to please women oh my gosh I can't say no to them it's just leading to the collapse of our culture and true it's and and and and the and the Catholic longhouse are filled with men afraid to say this stuff about the women in the movement. Like it's really what it comes down to. It this is what the Catholic Longhouse is the Catholic Longhouse is a bunch of men who are just operating at the whim of the women who allow them to and they don't say anything because they want to go on Lila Rosa's podcast and it's like I'm it's like there's something so freeing about what we do and that all of them gate kept us out and now we can speak about what we want good we don't we don't ever have to worry about it. I'm never gonna get asked to speak at a remnant conference I would have but now I'm not going to be and I and I love I love Michael Matt that's not like that's not even the issue it's just we need to be willing to be not liked you need to be willing to not be the nice guy sometimes to just speak hard truths at times this stuff is getting out of control.

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You got to move beyond wanting human respect is what it comes down to.

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And and and look so much of like the the conversation around us being uncharitable because everybody accuses of being uncharitable like I don't think we're being uncharitable right now so much of it is like as a Catholic you're not allowed to say something about another Catholic and it's like that's how the freaking priest crisis happened yeah it really I mean I mean this is way less of a degree but so much of it is people not wanting the Catholics to look bad because oh it looks like there's infighting going on it's like we are in a war in a civil war in the church right now we're in a civil war in the church right now for the movement because we're all just we have no fathers that actually want to be fathers we're we're dealing with a bunch of men in the hierarchy and our priests are all afraid to say the truth that women need to stop and let men run things Jesus chose 12 men as apostles for a reason Jesus like men men follow men they don't follow women we don't want a Marjorie Taylor Green in office we don't want a a Lauren in office like this this stuff has to stop and and it's like it's just led to the ruin of society we're done with it so yes we're gonna call Lila Rose out when she's nagging men about watching like go talk to the women about this stuff because they're all reading Fifty Shades of Gray and that's more toxic than the crap men are looking at online see if he's got a little more in there at least men are ashamed of it when they do it.

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Yes where women will women women are per women will brag about it.

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Women are bragging that they're watching Fifty Shades of Grey and fantasizing about another man when they're with their husband it's it's insane where you're right like men at least understand deep down like this is horrific. God forbid anybody ever found out I'm doing this it's it's they 100% of the men doing it don't need to be told it's bad they know they know they just in their heart they just need some inspiration to get out of it they need some kind they need another man to help talk to them about hey this is how I got out of it things like that but having some broad come on and tell us you shiny being just shut up yes tell Lila Rose to shut the F up like whila you can go talk to women about something because there is there is a uh a conversation around like what 50 shades is team compared to what's trending on women's book talk I mean remember that uh that book mark found on Amazon the saber tooth dentist ghost rapist guy or whatever because because these women are fantasizing about some of the most heinous stuff it's really heinous stuff like it's all it's all abuse stuff like it's crazy what these women are looking at you think it's bad on the men's side it is bad on the men's side don't get me wrong I mean it's it's such a toxic thing and for for any guys that are watching like the freedom that comes when that's out of your life and you're not even thinking because it's it's it's like any addiction where you get it out for a long enough period of time you don't even think about it and you're just free of it. And it's an amazing feeling to not have that way to the thing on you just the corpse of a dead soul dragging you down. It's really is so like I mean it it does need to be talked about just needs to be talked about by men to men and women to women and that's just the proper role for this conversation to happen feminism was the first sin. No not even it feminism was the first sin but really it was it was Adam not being a man like Adam being afraid to say things like this. And I refuse to do that I'd rather go to I'd rather be cast out from the Catholic content arena where people won't talk to I don't care I'm not going to not talk about this because this is like the root of everything. It really is and and there's the only way to fix it is to confront the issue and talk about it and get and and police our own and tell the Catholic women that are doing this stuff like you are meant to lead the culture in what femininity looks like so going out and being the girl boss is not the way to fix it. You're just creating Catholic feminists what good is that like I really do think Lila Rose is more dangerous for girls to listen to than Pearl yeah because Lila's with this with Pearl people will real women will realize the the issues there. But Lila's more subtle that's it that's it and the and every conservative woman that you see that's public presents herself as a conservative Christian and they're all feminists every single one of them and I'll say this there's no chance in there's no chance Michael Matt would let his wife publicly speak to men about this issue. Never would he allow no I know he wouldn't so it's like it's like well I would never let my wife do it but I'll you know when this other guy's wife does it it's totally fine. No no it's not like I would never ever I would be horrified if my wife was talking to men about this issue. Like what are you what this is horribly immodest what are you doing? Would never happen let's see what else he says. Do you want me to play more yeah we'll go through it because after this we're gonna after this I wanna I want to play um I want to play the Greek Orthodox priest talking about um if the Catholic church had maintained momentum from night and from 1890 to 1960 we would be a Roman Catholic nation and it's uh and we'll go to that next and this ties into this because all of this is about the church letting women take the lead it's it's it's mutual submission it's this idea that men and women both have authority and the the the man should you know they should co um co-govern together and that's literally the problem with the hierarchy and the lady right now with synodality right it's the hierarchy who's supposed to be in charge telling people what to do going we need to listen to the lady let's have synodality no this is mutual submission and it's distorted and it is ripping the church apart right now. Yeah and if you don't see that you're really missing what the crisis is about because this really is the root of everything it's it's the priests at the parish afraid to tell the women hey shut up we're not playing that crappy song we're gonna play Gregorian chant we're gonna have kneelers we're gonna have all it's it's it's our bishops our priests it's every single man afraid to tell women no when they're supposed to I'm not saying just go around telling women no no no but there's a time where it needs to be done and when it's supposed to be done and men don't do it you are you are going to face the wrath of God for every time you were supposed to be a man and you shirp your responsibility you are made to be kind and great and gracious and strong and stand for something because men listen to me I am too tired to do your job oh then don't what about St. Catherine of Siena was she nagging Pope Gregory when she admonished him saying quote since God has given you authority and you have assumed it you should use your virtue and power and if you are not willing to use it it would be better for you to resign was she nagging Michael do you know the irony of the quote you just posted do you not hear the irony of the quote you just posted she's privately speaking to the Pope first off like it is a private correspondence but if you she's the Pope was afraid to use his authority and if you won't use it it would be better for you to resign Michael if you are unafraid to discuss this issue realistically it would be better that you resign because this is the heart of the issue this is I mean we're we're dealing with Pope Leo appointing women to dicasteries now we're doing I mean this is this is this is the problem I don't know I don't know how much more I can because even even the even the most patriarchal homes that we that we have in our culture now yeah that's the other thing Lila Rosa is not Saint Catherine like that's like seriously in these arguments there's only like three women they can ever bring up say St. Catherine of Siena Saint Joan of Arc notice how they never bring up the blessed virgin because they can't it's it look this but even the most patriarchal homes that we know like we're all infected with feminism my family is infected with all of us are infected with feminism so much so that we like we don't even notice it when it's happening it's endemic in society you can't it's just everywhere and it's it's just everywhere and I'm telling you like it's a really difficult it's a really difficult issue for those of us raising girls and trying to govern our homes when the men who are supposed to be the leaders of this thing won't speak out and speak truthfully about this issue. Catherine said use your authority Lila is saying give me the authority 100% this this is um it's just men afraid to tell women no it's what it comes down to I mean it's it's everything that's going on right now. So um do you should we keep going with it? I I mean I let's keep going with it we'll give it a few more minutes okay give it a few more minutes what are there Walter there are four women doctors of the church there's one judge is uh Israelite judge um Judith I believe um literally sounds I mean are they all just a bunch of nags another nagging feminist does this woman also need to shut up and stop nagging us big tough guys we are a pivotal time industry with all of this such a pitch and the price is so high we're not looking dead to be reformers we are literally fighting for civilization God has been depronged man has been enthroned and society is descending into chaos we must we must enthrone God in our hearts and in our homes friends I'm sorry I forgot yeah that's not yeah like you do you wouldn't let uh we wouldn't let her come and give a conference a conference on pornography to your friend conference right that's not what Lila was could you imagine do you can you honestly imagine how off putting it would be for that sister to come and speak to the conference about porn like it would be when I was in CCD right and it was mostly taught by two old Benedictine nuns when the subjects of you know like the sixth and ninth commandments came up the priests came in to talk to the guy the men about those they didn't let the nuns teach the guys about porn and masturbation it's just it's it's yeah like think about what the what the subject matter is Michael this matters yeah and it's he's using the exact same arguments as uh the people who want women priests so it's really and but the thing is look and I and I I want to be fair to him because I I I understand the urge the the male urge to defend women right like the like white knighting isn't a thing because it's like we're just starting to break open the simping thing right like it's it's it like this is a phenomenon where men are starting to realize wait a minute man I have covered for women way too much and defended their honor because like there's this distorted understanding of chivalry where you think it is your role to defend women's honor no matter what it's like yes like you you do you do want to defend women's and that's why I'll say also we do like we do need to be cautious in how we criticize these women too like it might be like a sick own or something like that when you're an anonymous account on Twitter but in reality like there's there's a there's a way in which you don't want to lose your soul in in talking about this stuff so I mean we're all guilty of it but you know it it's yeah you you have to keep in mind people like Lila and and your Susan at the parish council they they really do think they're helping the church they really do and there has not been a man to correct them and if a man corrected them and said hey look this is actually a little out inappropriate and out of bounds don't cover that topic with men but like it's just as simple as that like a man needs to instead of white knighting for her and coming in as her chivalrous defender somebody who loves her should privately pull her aside and say Lila this is actually not right for you to be talking about publicly you know I know the Twitter trolls are going at you and I know you know but first off even that like the the the trolls going at someone that stuff gets to a person like that that's not good for a person. So you know reason I blocked all the settings it's just not good to have that kind of ridicule coming at you 247 even if it's online and you could put your phone down because we're all addicted to our phones and we're all tempted to look at the comments and when you just see what it's doing is she's trolling with these conversations she's getting a reaction she's making money off of it she's getting getting more attention for it and it's and it's distorting her view of men because now she thinks all Catholic men like there's a serious misogyny problem in the Catholic male sphere when she's the one stirring this controversy like if you see you're getting that kind of reaction how about a little self-reflection go okay this is you know this is not being received well maybe I should back off of this a little bit there's just no time where there's ever a woman being corrected and she takes any kind of accountability and goes oh this was probably a bad luck maybe I should maybe I should that video down of the the the snake oil salesman that I did but no they'll never never any self-reflection no no we found a priest who said it was okay oh did you we found a priest who said it was okay the name of course won't tell us the name of that priest because that priest will he'll catch hell for it but um yeah X is definitely a hellhole so it's just it's been a lot more fun now that we know where accounts are though yes it is dude how great is that anytime somebody like anytime somebody criticized me I just look right away it's like okay from India of course you are I have a meme ready to go if they are from India too it's like all this time we thought uh uh set of contism was an American phenomenon it turns out it's all Indian trolls I'm only getting the set is I'm just teasing you um why don't we jump over to uh the cat uh the Orthodox priest talking about uh Catholicism and do we want to do uh super chat oh you want to do super chats yeah let's go do super chat just on this subject and then we can yeah um all of them because somebody left a 50 super chat so I want to make sure we get I know that's on the subject um so first off what are we talking about with emj what do you guys think I I have a lot of things I want to talk to them about so I I I've read Degenerate Moderns I've read logos rising so I'm gonna definitely talk to all the way through logos rising I probably made it three quarters of the way through that's a long book yeah I made it like a little over halfway it's a long book but I'll tell you that was my first that the opening chapters of logos rising were the first fracturing of evolution for me. Yeah it was like the first cracking of the facade on evolution for me. So I want to talk something about that definitely want to talk something about Mejigory um I mean we're we're obviously going to cover the JQ but I want to save that for later in the show I want to cover those topics with him I want to get into I'm gonna talk liturgy with him I'm gonna you know we're I'm gonna discuss some of the some of the I'm gonna talk no shirtate I want to I want to I want to get into some stuff with him I think it'll be a different interview than he's that he's ever done because we we don't interview like most people do. Yes we are doing locals tonight Paul um at my hospital have a lot of young resident doctors 80% female I think if women are so empowered and can work it takes away from the incentive for the women to quit their job and stay home working class men have dignity that women should submit to I mean that's just obvious right like the the whole incentive structure is upside down in our culture where I mean well like the epidemic of young men who can't get jobs because women are given these jobs and the it it's lead it's going to lead to preferentially given these jobs yeah but it's going to lead to a role like there's nothing more dangerous than young men who can't get jobs can't buy homes who can't start families like you have a humongous population of that category right now in our country and those are the men who go and start revolutions. I'm just telling you it is yeah this one wasn't a uh a super chat but it was very good so um why didn't god bear the cross in a woman's body intentional or not the crucifixion is quite symbolic of the self-sacrifice of men yeah so like you add in but that look the that also the the the way christ has been portrayed in contemporary art very feminine has has distorted our view of him like this whole idea of the chosen Jesus um it's it presents jesus as this hippie like figure who's just gentle and never stern and and never never masculine and like putting his foot down about things and you know there's a reason why you never see christ laughing in the gospels doesn't mean christ never laughed in his real life it's like there's a reason you don't ever see God's mirth in scripture and it it's because it could be taken out of context or you know put in a certain way but when you read the gospels you see a very specific type of Christ and then when he's portrayed in modern art or modern films things like that you get this very effeminate version of Christ who's just all mercy and no justice and I think that's distorted a lot of our views and and that male urge to lay down your life as a sacrifice and when you see a woman getting beat beat up online yeah there is this desire to like all right guys chill out come on why you guys beating up on the girl I get it like I'm I don't I don't I'm not even gonna like I I know Michael Matt's motives are good but it still comes down to this issue of allowing it to have gotten to this point. And it it's because the church has completely dropped the ball and while all these revolutions were taking place in the 60s the the hippie generation when the sexual revolution was happening the church should have come out and warned the culture about those things and talked about feminism and talked about communism and talked about all the sexual revolution and instead it wanted to play footsie with the devil and that's what the council did it played footsie with the devil and we see where that has led us i mean it has led to the craziness we're seeing in Rome now and that and and it's like every trad argument comes down to this stuff comes down to the church's approach to the Jews and the church's approach to women that is where everything went wrong. And feminism is largely influenced by the first group yeah 100% yeah so um it's uh it's not nice to experience but trolls and bullies do an important job telling people when they're behaving incorrectly blaming them is sometimes valid but often you should take accountability that but that's the that's the thing right you don't actually ever see women have any self-reflection on any of these things I'm telling you right now if I put something out and I get a lot of pushback there's two ways I go about it one one is I'll I'll think about it like all right this was a bad take now sometimes I won't take it down because I don't want it to be an act of cowardice and like you know it's almost like you don't want to whitewater you made your bed lie in it kind of thing right but it doesn't mean I don't regret posting it it's more just I don't want to be a coward and pretend I didn't say what I said. So it was an accountability thing. But there's never a time where I get a lot of pushback on something where I don't reflect on it. There's never a time where a friend calls me and tells me hey man I didn't really like your take on this where I don't okay I'm open to fraternal correction here because I don't think my friend would call me if it if there wasn't you know a justified reason. Eric Salmons did that with me recently and I had a good back and forth with him. It it it happens right but I don't see that happening on women's side of things to be fair you had a locals crash out first actually but man that was good it was a it was a fun episode if you missed that one kids okay so what are we going all right so let's go into the Orthodox priest real quick and then we're going over to locals I got a lot of stuff where did you send that video telegram it's in the Twitter Twitter thing I never sent it over to Telegram yeah don't watch Lila or Pearl don't watch either one of them okay it's funny because I've held off on weighing in on the on the Michael Matt trading thing for so long this was it it's like I've held off like I didn't want to get involved in the in the uh Catholic Esquire and Stephen Cox and Michael Matt thing I was like no I don't no offense to anyone involved to defend Lila Rose didn't you like there's never a time I'm gonna be able to be quiet about that.

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I'm sorry yes he did rant for a whole hour after Eric texts didn't he that was a fun show too it was fun the religious scene in America since the late 60s the Roman Catholic Church which from 1890 until 1960 was on an ascendancy that if it had maintained itself we would be a Roman Catholic nation. You know when John F. Kennedy was running for president he was very concerned the whole nation was concerned about this ascended Catholicism there were six million students in Roman Catholic schools in 1955.

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That is an incredible number since that time uh due to an over-Americanization and a loss of salt uh in the Roman Catholic Church the church has has declined radically for decades for every one new person becoming Catholic six would leave the church that's a terrible equation today the Roman Catholic school system has 1.5 million kids in it that's a 75% uh reduction uh in in America while the population is like almost doubled or something like that okay it's not tripled now just think if the if the if the council never happens Catholic education 27000 at most father I don't know what you're talking about six million seems a little high was there enough desks for six million that seems a little high all right we're gonna get in trouble for this go on yeah um all right um the uh can you imagine if the Catholic school system had actually stayed remained intact and not diverged into this ecumenical cesspool that it is the land lakes thing never happens and we actually had the opportunity to indoctrinate those six million kids properly and give them a proper educate proper Catholic education do you know how many conversions because it's how many non-Catholics send their kids to Catholic schools or even the kids even if it was only Catholics like how many Catholics we could have prepared to evangelize America like this whole nation would look different and it all comes down to this issue it really does it all just comes down to this stuff it's like it it it's men being afraid to say the truth it is every pope since the council is has this deep shame about Talking about the truths of the faith, so they water everything down, everything is just watered down Catholicism. And I'm sorry, but like I don't like Tom was saying, like he loves Michael Matt, he's a little kooky, but he's not like I have been watching Michael Matt for 15 years, 20 years. I mean, I've been watching Michael Matt forever. It's it's just there's some things that just you're missing the conversation here, Michael. And I you know the thing is the the talking past each other. Like I tried to reasonably respond to him, and he just ignores me. So it's like, okay, we'll talk about it here. Because I would have I would have appreciated a little back and forth, and maybe like uh uh him going, oh, maybe I'm missing something here. Maybe you guys can enlighten me to something I'm missing here. But no, it's this stubborn, it's I'm right, always I know everything. It comes from every corner of the Catholic sphere. Everybody gets buried in their position, and they only wanna they only want to be the they're the only ones that are right, they're never not willing to actually hear the other side of the argument. Michael Matt presented a straw man of the argument from the young guys that are reacting to this kind of stuff, and he defeated a straw man argument. It's like cool, yeah. It's like it's I don't even know if he really defeated a that argument. Well, I mean, what what he said sounds like it's right, but it's just not. It's uh you know, you're presenting you're present. I'm always right though, Molly. I'm different. Um, the you're presenting you're different. Oh, you're very different. You're presenting a case that doesn't exist to try and set it up and knock it down, where the straw man uh that's a straw man, and to steel man the argument, you have to go back to understanding how disordered our culture is. And I think men, especially the younger guys, are fed up with it and they're just like, I uh this something's gotta change. Like, we're sick of it, we're we're tired of it. We don't want to hear you women do this anymore.

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And the straw him setting up a straw man wasn't because he was arguing in bad faith, it was because he he just really doesn't understand it. He's out of touch with that right.

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So that's why I like he's he's out of touch with this argument because he's not talking to the guys dealing with this, he's not understanding where people's animosity on this issue comes from. And it's because the women who tend to make a name for themselves in this space all present this feminist girl boss Colicism, and it's dangerous, it's wicked, it's not good. They're they're telling women to wait until they're 30 to go get their degree and go take care of themselves and do the and then they wait until and it's devastating to these young women, it really is, it's devastating to them because they're waiting until they're 30 and then they have a couple of years to have kids, they gotta then they're you know, they're dealing with fertility issues, and you like Lila played a video today of all these women who are over 30 aching because they're lonely and they don't have somebody. Now, I want to be clear like anybody in that position, my heart goes out to because loneliness is like soul crushing to be alone. Like, I it's not a day that goes by. I don't thank God that I have my wife and kids because I have people who I love and that love me.

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So anybody if I'm if I'm in my house for like six hours by myself, yeah, it's it's it's kind of you feel weird, right?

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It's like so anybody that's anybody that is lonely and doesn't hasn't found somebody yet. I'm not I don't want to rag on you. It's just our culture has sold you a a bill of goods that is just trash. It's like go to college, go, you know, telling women to go get degrees and become bosses and go stuck and travel the world and all this crap. And it's like, I'm sorry, but wrapped up in that is what Lila did. Lila went in, yale since she was 15 years old. She's a pro-life warrior, and it's like, you know what? Maybe we should just get women out of the pro-life move, leading the pro-life movement. Maybe they can let men take the lead on it and they can come assist us and be our helpmate. They can pray on the sidewalk, be our helpmate. Let men go back to controlling it so that we get away from this idea that women hold no responsibility in abortion, it's only the doctors who are responsible. It's like if we don't tell women that what they're doing, they'll be held to account for it. They don't, oh, like this constant excusing for this. Oh no, no, no, you're just a victim. You're just a victim of the culture that told you that it was just a clump of cells. No, you're not. I'm sorry, but there's not a woman in the world who goes and has that procedure done who doesn't understand they are killing their own child. Yeah, I am and to keep excusing it like that and pretending they're victims. Now, there are plenty of cases where the man pressures the woman into like that. That's and that's disgusting. And those men should be held to account and they should be prosecuted, like that. But each case needs to be weighed individually. And if it's the man forcing a woman to do it, then he's the one responsible. But most of the women getting this procedure done are using it as a form of birth control.

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Yeah, when when someone kills another person, we don't be know, we don't before arresting them go, do they do they really know what they were doing? No, we arrest them, we charge them with the crime, and then their culpability, their ability to understand right and wrong, um, you know, whether or not they were forced to do it, all that comes out in the legal process, yeah, in the legal process, and you and you get to the root of it.

SPEAKER_08: 1:05:15

And if a woman was forced into it, then obviously she's got less culpability. It's just this this issue on men and women is one that really needs to be talked about, it needs to be figured out, and we have to get to the root of it. So, all right, we're going to go over to locals. Um, we want I want to talk, I do want to talk about the the women bailing thing, if we could get to that. Um, the let me see. Rob and I have some uh exciting news of stuff we did behind the scenes. Uh that exciting. Oh, for me, it is. I'm very excited about it. Oh, I don't know. I know why. It feels very official, and it does feel official, yeah. It just kind of feels like a real thing now. And are you gonna get cards made? Maybe all right. We're gonna talk over there. Um, there was uh, so I know it. I know you guys probably a little sick of the conversation, but there was a segment of that Nick Fuentes interview where it sounded like it was an avoiding Babylon episode where he talked about 15 minutes. It sounds like we'll go through that and because it really sounds like an avoiding Babylon episode. It's really interesting how this conversation he sounds almost like Peugeot. It's like it has nothing to do with Jews or anything.

SPEAKER_09: 1:06:28

He talks like Peugeot, he doesn't sound like Peugeot.

SPEAKER_08: 1:06:30

Thanks. Correct, yeah. But the ideas that he's getting at are so it was you know, maybe we'll play that clip and and we'll just talk. I got I got some things I want to ask you. Good luck at Mass and Michael Mathis. Thanks, Andrew. He's just gonna ignore you and pretend he doesn't know you like he always does. I hope so this time.

SPEAKER_09: 1:06:50

Last time I literally my six-year-old literally handled him money was sitting on my lap.

SPEAKER_11: 1:06:56

But whatever.

SPEAKER_09: 1:06:57

All right, let's go over the little hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_08: 1:06:59

Uh the EMJ interview is December 4th. December 4th, and then we also have um Daniel O'Connor coming up.

SPEAKER_09: 1:07:06

Did you schedule Daniel?

SPEAKER_08: 1:07:08

Daniel, yeah. Well, he's he's gonna pick a date. He said mid-December.

SPEAKER_09: 1:07:11

So um, because that documentary came out, um the the disclosure or something, like the I I who we might want to be careful because the people who did that documentary are are already sending cease and desist to almost any podcast that talks about it. That's interesting.

SPEAKER_08: 1:07:32

Well, Daniel O'Connor, he did a documentary that's coming out also. Oh, it's called The Age of Disclosure, and he did a documentary called The Age of Deception. So we're gonna get him on to talk to him. Um, my brother, uh, the boiler's done. He's just trying to pick a car out. He hasn't picked the car out. Once he picks the car out, that's when we're gonna get him on. But he's got you know, he's got all the money, he's just trying to find a good car. So once he does that, we'll get him on.

SPEAKER_09: 1:07:58

We are not doing a show Thursday, right? No show Thursday for Thanksgiving. Um Advent starts Sunday. When I get home from traveling on Sunday night, I hope to do it, will be probably late Sunday night. I'll start the Advent series from Divine Intimacy, but the rest of those chills will probably be in the morning. Yeah. So Sunday night will be the first one, but then it'll be in the morning for the rest of the episodes. What is this about?

SPEAKER_08: 1:08:30

What is what does this mean?

SPEAKER_10: 1:08:37

No idea.

SPEAKER_09: 1:08:40

Um, do we have any other announcements? I don't think so.

SPEAKER_08: 1:08:44

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you're talking about my brother. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My brother, yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything's done, everything's good. Everything's working and well. Contracted. Did he get the lien waivers though? Do not make the final payment until he gets the gets lien waivers.

SPEAKER_09: 1:09:00

So when you when when you have work done on your house, um the contractor can put a lien. No, this didn't happen.

SPEAKER_08: 1:09:09

I've sure everything is done. There's nothing like that on it. It's everything's fine. But yeah, thank you for that. Um yeah, all right, let's go to the other side because I want to talk about some stuff. Like a personal. I was thinking of some I was thinking of some old school stories we could tell.

SPEAKER_09: 1:09:26

Old school stories, interesting.

SPEAKER_08: 1:09:31

Rob's gonna say Rob's oh no, are we still on YouTube or Rob's gonna say the M-word. Rob's gonna say the N-word on locals. Join us.

SPEAKER_09: 1:09:42

What N-word?

SPEAKER_08: 1:09:45

Tell everybody you're gonna say the N-word on on locals tonight.

SPEAKER_09: 1:09:50

Okay, we're we're on locals. I did just get a text from my wife. He says locals is straight up unwatchable with buffering tonight. Um are there any issues on our end with the stream?

SPEAKER_07: 1:10:04

Is everybody having that issue?

SPEAKER_09: 1:10:07

Or is it just Rob's internet? It's not, I better not. I just put a lot of money into my Wi-Fi.

SPEAKER_08: 1:10:14

I guarantee that's what it is. My internet? Yeah, you just put a ton of money into it, it's definitely what it is.

SPEAKER_07: 1:10:21

Everybody saying there's an issue? I don't know.

SPEAKER_08: 1:10:31

I'm gonna join the live stream and see what's going on.

SPEAKER_09: 1:10:33

Um someone says, someone's are saying no issues. I'm here, some are saying a little buggy.

SPEAKER_08: 1:10:41

Made it just in time.

SPEAKER_09: 1:10:42

Yeah, everybody's thinking everything's fine.

SPEAKER_08: 1:10:43

Okay. The stream looks good to me. Um yeah, that Fuenta's interview is interesting because it didn't really get into the Jew stuff at all, but he did um discuss astrology and like the return of religion. He talks about marriage and dating and um yeah, the marriage and dating stuff, like it's it is it's like you know, he's a single guy, so I you know, I get why people would like not care what he says about that. But the I he was so spot on about this. I sent that video to the to the telegram if you want to play that one. Which one is it? Astrology. Oh, and Rob and I finally are officially an LLC. Like we officially own Avoiding Babylon LLC.

SPEAKER_09: 1:11:38

We also have our own companies now, so now I have I don't even know how many accounts.

SPEAKER_08: 1:11:45

What was interesting is we went today to set up like the bank account for it, and I like Rob only has one bank near him that's like a national bank. So I go in and they're like, No, you both need to be in person here. And I'm like, Rob, what are we gonna do? Like, I'm gonna have to either fly to Minnesota or you have to come to New York.

SPEAKER_09: 1:12:04

Well, so so Anthony is talking to the guy. Well, I'm on the phone with Anthony, and I hear the guy tell him, you know, tell him no, we both have to be there. And I hear how he says it, and I go, Ant, take me off. Uh and I'm not on speaker, right? He goes, Yeah, you're not on speaker. I'm like, okay, he's clearly not American, right? And it goes, he wasn't. It's like, no, he's not. I'm like, okay, I'll go talk to the white people at my local branch.

SPEAKER_08: 1:12:29

He went, Rob. So I went to I went to three different banks just saying, like, all right, like we have a business, we're 50-50 partners, he's in a different state. Like, what are we? Every bank was like, Nope, you need a person, you both need to be here in person. Rob goes online and sets the whole thing up online without a human being.

SPEAKER_09: 1:12:47

And so, you know, someone calls me and they get all my information, and they're like, Okay, have your partner call this number and give us his his information, and he calls us and that was done. I mean, not done, is it?

SPEAKER_08: 1:12:58

We still have to sign some documents that are gonna send us, but yeah, but that that needed to get done, especially if we're gonna do the pilgrimage. Um, plus, like, we don't want to get in trouble for tax evasion or anything, obviously.

SPEAKER_09: 1:13:10

Like, it's been killing me last year, killed me in taxes. It was like four thousand bucks extra in taxes, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:13:18

So, like, you have to because you if you don't have an S-corp set up, like your own personal business, you can't write stuff off, so you're just paying taxes on that money, like it's income, and it's like there's so many business expenses that don't need to be, you know, that can be taken into account here.

SPEAKER_09: 1:13:32

So I I had to reckon because all the uh the 1099s got sent to me in my name. I I like I don't know how you recognize that income. I had to recognize all of it, not just half. Really?

SPEAKER_08: 1:13:45

Why you couldn't show that you were sending me half?

SPEAKER_09: 1:13:49

It uh because I didn't issue you a 1099, right? Because I wasn't a business, but I'm thinking we might be able to go bet like backwards, take it as a tax. I don't know. Well, I'm not sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:14:02

We gotta we gotta talk to accountants about that stuff. So yeah, so like if we're gonna set the pilgrimage up, like we need an official company versus trad lc.

SPEAKER_09: 1:14:13

Well, no, so what we had to do is we each have our own corporation, yeah, that our own of avoiding Babylon. So yeah, so it's funny. Trad LLC versus Trad LLC. Hired some good Jews, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:14:31

Um, yeah, so that was that was that was that was kind of cool that we got that all done for this year because I was stressing about that. I was like, oh man.

SPEAKER_09: 1:14:39

They say we need a Jewish accountant. Well, guys, I got bad news. We have uh Anthony's cousin. Did you ever see the email I replied back to him? No, because his email has it their business name, and one of the partners is a Sforza, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:15:02

I'm like, yeah, yeah, have a Sforza. Bro, you got the mob cooking the books. We're good. Don't worry about it. Nothing bad will come from this. They're not gonna find any bodies up in Boston in the sidewalk when they break it up. Don't worry.

SPEAKER_09: 1:15:13

You say that's they just do that, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:15:16

Yeah, I saw that digging up sidewalks in the Boston and they're finding their bodies in the sidewalks. Um, all right, let's play the uh let's play this clip. Which one? The point is, yeah, it's in the telegram. It was it was just interesting that he I mean, this is like a theme on our show that we've talked about, and it wasn't it wasn't anything recent. Like this is stuff we've been talking about since we did the Danielic mystery episode.

SPEAKER_09: 1:15:42

Yeah, so like three years ago that's with astrology.

SPEAKER_05: 1:15:48

Oh man. I don't know. I mean, I'm the wrong guy to ask about women because I don't really talk to women, right? But the astrology thing, to me, it people are not taking it seriously enough because what astrology first of all, astrology is real. If you're a Catholic, if you're a Christian, this is actually part of our tradition. Uh, astrology is all over the Bible. And the reason as Catholics, we can't engage in astrology is because there's something real about it. And to engage in it is to attempt to thwart God's plan. It's to sort of say that we are masters of fate. And if we can learn the secrets of the universe, we can control our destiny when God controls our destiny. And that's why we appeal to God. So astrology is real. And going by another word, you can call this witchcraft, paganism. And going back to the conversation about modernity, people know that atheism is false. And so what we're getting is not really a society without God, it's just a society with different gods. And so now there's a new age upon us where there is interest in the supernatural, there is interest in higher powers and maybe invisible forces, but without the guidance of the church, because the church is out of fashion, now people are looking everywhere else. And they're so they're looking into political ideologies, Gnosticism.

SPEAKER_08: 1:17:17

It's not paganism. The church made herself irrelevant. The church made herself irrelevant, and the church, like for all this talk of synodality, you can take them down because I just wanted to because we've been talking about this for a long time. It's like the Enlightenment ended, people are realizing that the like materialism is a dead end, and like the future is religious. It's just what religion is it going to be. So you see this stuff happening everywhere. We've talked about it with George Floyd, how they're putting halos over his head. The you're seeing they're trying to sanctify the unholy now, and they're making I mean, this was my talk at the Catholic Identity Conference talking about the new religion that they're presenting us. It has holy days, right? Like that has liturgies, it has liturgies, it has all this stuff, and it's the church for all its talk of synodality and listening to the laity, they are so clueless about what is happening in the younger generations right now. They've completely abandoned men, they've completely abandoned the youth. They think that the youth of today cares about the same stuff that the youth in their day did. So when they were young, it was the hippie movement, and everybody was LGBT and they wanted to have, you know, a uh uh uh birth control and all that crap, and they think that the fight, the cultural fight is still there, and nobody gives a crap about that stuff anymore. Like James Martin is a dinosaur, nobody cares. The things that we're dealing with now are our cousins and family members going to mediums, like that's the that's really what we're dealing with. We're dealing with uh family members getting into things like astrology and crap like that, numerology, and yeah. I mean, I told this story last week. My sister at her her group, the girl goes to confession for the first time, and the priest gets her to admit that she's got Ouija boards and crystals and all like this is the emerging problem because as the altars of God are disappearing and the Catholic altars are going away, you're seeing these pagan altars erected, and they're being erected in people's homes. Like the like the like it's such an inversion of when Christianity spreads, how the how the church is in the catacombs and people are doing it at home. That is what is happening with these pagan gods. People are playing around with this stuff, listening to um podcasts about witchcraft. Like, oh, all these girls think they're witches now, and they think it's cool and ghost hunting, and they're spiritual but not religious. Like, this is a major issue that the church just has no idea what's going on because they're all these out-of-touch boomers that just don't get it.

SPEAKER_09: 1:20:04

Almost every um like small town parade I've been to in the last like five to ten years, no matter what little small town it's in, has some lore, some sort of like local paranormal society, you know, with the floats or something that's like the hell did this start?

SPEAKER_08: 1:20:23

Like in New York, there's tarot card readers everywhere, it's all like this just weird pagan stuff popping up everywhere, and you see it just throughout the culture. I that was like a that was a segment that I was like really happy he talked about, but it's it's very Peugeot. Like Peugeot talks about this stuff a lot, you know.

SPEAKER_09: 1:20:44

It's like uh overall, it was I mean, uh it was a really good interview overall.

SPEAKER_08: 1:20:49

My um my wife just did a uh consecration to Mary, and what was the Mary and Feast Day that it was just the other day? It was just like last this week. Um, but she had the presentation, the presentation, the presentation. So she made it on that day, but like she did a she did a 33-day consecration without me. It's the first time she ever did it without me. She did it with her friend Tara, who we're going to see in December. And um my life's just been on this like amazing journey. Like, oh, it's just been pretty amazing to watch. But what uh what I like we both started fasting again because I for kind of fell out of fashion with fasting, so we just started fasting again. I'm watching everybody around me is taking Ozempic, and I'm just like, I'm not doing that. No, I want to just get it like because I'm I'm listening to uh somebody at work telling me about Ozempic, friend Tarot, not tarot, darn it.

SPEAKER_09: 1:21:55

Why is it tarot?

SPEAKER_08: 1:21:56

No, just so I'm listening to somebody at work telling me about Ozempic, and they're like, You don't understand, it gets rid of all your cravings for everything. So, like, if you don't if you're if you're a smoker, if you're a drinker, everything I'm just like it's a magic pill or magic shot. I'm not not playing with that crap. No, there's no there's no no way would I ever never like it's it it defeats the whole purpose of embracing any kind of daily mortification, like you're you're it's people are so unwilling to just embrace daily mortifications, and me too, like don't get me wrong, I I am too, especially the past like two months. I just fell back into the habit of just not doing anything. And when she when she was doing the consecration in the last couple of days leading up to it, I was like, I like I felt left out, like she was on this spiritual journey without me. I was like, All right, that's it. We gotta I gotta get my my button gear here. So we both just start fasting on Monday for adventure for Advent, like like that that's the purpose of Advent really is fasting, and it you know, we're starting we're starting to see people with their Christmas lights earlier and earlier now, and people like Thanksgiving there's even music earlier. It's it's really it's really from as soon as Halloween's over, they're starting with the Christmas stuff, and Christmas like Advent really is a time of spiritual preparation where it's supposed to be a mini Lent. Like, we didn't do um St. Martin's Lent this year. Was it St. Martin's Lent or St. Martin's Lent where you like we did that a couple of years ago, I remember, but the it I we all need to just get back into embracing the stuff a little bit because all this stuff about these foreign gods coming back up? The all the complaining in the world we're doing does nothing, but if we actually do embrace a little bit of penance and especially going through this old testament stuff that we've been doing, I started watching that House of David series, it's pretty good. Like, I hate to admit it.

SPEAKER_09: 1:24:02

Is it good for a Christian show or is it good for a TV show?

SPEAKER_08: 1:24:08

Here's here's the thing: it's it's not New Testament, right? So there's so much less opportunity for heresy, like they don't because when you get into New Testament stuff made by Protestants, they're always worried about the Catholic undertones, so like they'll always make Mary, they'll uh they'll downplay our lady, they'll downplay anything with the Eucharist. So it's old testament, they're just telling the story of King David, so there's a little bit of um artistic license in it, but for the most part, it's telling the story of the house of David, and it's it starts when King Saul is in there and the prophet Samuel comes, and King Saul. So after after they defeat the Amalekites, God tells them, Do not like you have to kill every single one of them, you have to kill every single one of them, don't leave a single one living, do not take any spoils of war, don't take any cattle, don't take any, don't take anything. And Saul goes and keeps like keeps slaves, and then he takes he takes their cattle, he takes their goats, he takes their sheep, and he's diving it up between the 12 tribes. And Samuel comes, and when he when Samuel comes and he like removes uh the um the anointing from from Saul, it's just like holy cow, man. Because it's an interesting time. You haven't gotten it's it's before Christ comes, like it's a totally different world, and and you almost we have this tendency to just look at the Jews and you're like you're like, Man, why didn't they just listen? They're so stubborn. But dude, all these cultures around them are doing whatever they want. If they win a war, they get to go and enjoy the spoils of war. They're they're they're off like conquering and they're having orgies and they're having all this fun, and then you get this god of Israel, and he's like, Nope, you can't have fun, and it's like they're like, We want to have fun, like, come on, man. Look at that. And they literally resented to this very day, but that's what but that's really what's happening, where they they had this envy of the other nations because the other nations gods were like you could do whatever you want, and they don't they don't have the spirit of God yet, right? So, like the the spirit rests on individuals in the old testament, so the spirit of God will rest on a prophet, the spirit of God will rest on one of the um the like the the the old testament fathers of of you know patriarchs, the patriarchs, there you go. Uh so the the spirit will rest on the patriarchs and it'll rest on the prophets, but it's not like the majority of Israel has the spirit of God yet. So different in the new covenant, and when you really understand that, because I remember when I read like the account in Acts of Pentecost, and like the Holy Spirit is poured upon everybody and it comes down like tongues of fire. And I remember thinking, like, when am I going to receive the Holy Spirit like that? That's that's where you get like the Pentecostal movement and you get the charismatic stuff. Because when you read that account, you expect God's spirit to descend on you like a flaming tongue, but even the fact that your heart is softened to the message of Christ's forgiveness is God's spirit coming upon you because you see it in the old testament, they want nothing to do with it, they just want they have this envy for what the other nations are allowed to do. That's why Moses goes up to get the Ten Commandments and they're like, make a golden cab, let's have an orgy. Like they just they're they're so stuck in what they did in Egypt, they don't want to let that stuff go because it's fun, it's fun, and it's you know, it's sin sin is fun in the moment. The thing is, once if you go back to the pit of sin, though, it just never has the same luster. Like, after like if you if you convert and you experience Christ, if you fall away, because I've had periods in my life where that happened to me, where like I I you know it was after my reversion, and then I kind of stopped going to the sacraments and kind of fell back into some old habits. Like, sin never has its same appeal and has this awful guilt that comes along with it, and you just you just have this deep shame because you know God calls you to more. But yeah, it's been it's been interesting to go back, especially because we talked about it that last episode. Like, I've been excited about scripture again, you know, and it's um it's making me want to do on locals during advent, maybe do like a deep dive into John or something. I don't know, would you guys want to do that on locals? Like, like that last show we did. If you guys didn't hear it, I thought it was a really good show, like just going through that old testament and trying to lay out the the way the story unfolds. But then when you get into the new testament, if you if you go through John, and if you've never done like a real study of John, when you see John's gospel laid out, you see the allusions to Genesis right from the early chapters on the first day, on the on the next day, on the next day, and then on the third day, like all of it is mapping directly to Genesis in those first couple of chapters. Then there's another um a whole there's a whole theme that runs through it about the hour, where Christ is like, What have you to do with me, woman? My hour has not yet come, and then uh, you know, uh the hour is coming when we will worship God in spirit and in truth. And he keeps talking about the hour, the hour, and then all of a sudden, two Greeks come up and they go to Philip and they tell Philip that they want to talk to Jesus. And Philip goes to Jesus and he goes, Uh, uh, Lord, uh, two two Greeks want to talk to you. And Jesus goes, That's it, my hours come. And it's like, what?

SPEAKER_09: 1:30:00

Wait, why? I mean, if anyone's ever talked to Greeks, you don't understand.

SPEAKER_08: 1:30:03

But it's because it's because the Gentiles are now interested, right? Like, there's there's so many little things in that gospel that if you've never gone through it properly or even with any kind of like uh understanding of the old testament that's being fulfilled in it, it's an exciting one. So if I I mean I'm open to doing that on here. Um or would you guys rather us just wing it over here and try to convince Rob to say everyone? Say it, Rob. Just drop, just drop a good nigga. Just say it. They want you to. I don't know.

SPEAKER_09: 1:30:44

Yeah, let's not act like this is all you just saying.

SPEAKER_08: 1:30:48

I did promise it. I'm so hot right now. Like my basement's like a hundred degrees. I didn't turn my hair on.

SPEAKER_09: 1:30:58

It's it's it's November 25th. I subscribed for this.

SPEAKER_08: 1:31:06

Give him one, Rob.

SPEAKER_09: 1:31:09

The LLC or the LLC. Oh no, that's gonna be it from now on. Set up for the podcast.

SPEAKER_08: 1:31:16

For the LLC. Come on, Rob, you gotta do it for the show.

SPEAKER_09: 1:31:22

The thing is, like, I wasn't a wigger like ant, like, it doesn't come naturally.

SPEAKER_08: 1:31:26

Yeah, it sounds so racist when you say like if I if I say it, it kind of sounds like you know, I'm just like it doesn't just roll off my tongue. Like you know, it sounds like you're like, we're gonna get those niggers and we're gonna really like it's so bad when you say it.

SPEAKER_10: 1:31:43

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_08: 1:31:46

I'm sorry, guys. This is not good. Catholic con we're just talking about the Bible and we go right to this. It's not good. Um, I blame. I don't know. You guys have to tell me, would you want to do the gospel of John? Would you guys want to do something else? I don't know. For Advent, I kind of want to do something to deepen our faith. You know, I want I want to I want to do something something worthwhile for Advent at least.

SPEAKER_09: 1:32:07

We can go back to the I I think it would be cool for Advent, especially to see all the um the old testament prophecies that pointed to Christ and were fulfilled in his coming.

SPEAKER_08: 1:32:22

I think it I think the best way to do that is to go through the New Testament, though, and see what like to actually see what is being fulfilled in the new because so so many of them are not just prophecies, right? Like, like some of them are like if you I know if you go to the gospel of mark, mark opens up right off the bat as the as the as said by the prophet Isaiah, you know, it'll it'll say something like that, but so much of it is typology, so much of it is just the the the pattern of the story predicting the way it will unfold when Christ comes. So it's kind of I mean, we could just do a simple going through the book of Isaiah, like Isaiah, yeah, alone would be awesome to go through, or any of the prophets, man. If you go through Jeremiah, Jeremiah is such a cool one because you really see when the word of the Lord came to me, it's like, oh, that's Christ coming to him. That's not just that's not just him receiving words in his head. Like he like if the prophet is saying the word of the Lord came to me, like that's the logos came to the logos came to me, right? So that you have to wonder, is that like a vision of Christ he's seeing? It's pretty pretty mysterious the way it happens. Um I should get the ignatius study bible since I'm too poor for the Hadock. Um, yeah, nobody seems to want to do that, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_09: 1:33:55

No, you missed the part where every there was like 10 messages in a row, everyone wanted that. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_08: 1:34:00

All right, so we'll because you missed it because after that you brought up me saying nigga, and then everyone the thing is, um, when even because I'm I'm I'm I'm not like inventing it on my own, I'm going to get it from from somewhere. I'll probably get it from uh the same poll center. But what I try to do when we do that is leave out all this tedious stuff that Scott Hahn will do, where you're just like, all right, I didn't need you know, I didn't need a I didn't need a 45-minute setup on when John was written and you know the his the the history history of you know what the modern scholarship is and stuff like that. I'll just get right into it and we'll we'll do it like that. I'll do I'll do the hours of research and bring it to you guys in a a more compact way that makes it a little exciting. Yeah, you definitely gotta drop one before we go, Rob.

SPEAKER_09: 1:34:58

You missed it.

SPEAKER_08: 1:34:59

I did.

SPEAKER_09: 1:35:00

I was talking over it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Can you believe that? You were talking over it.

SPEAKER_08: 1:35:05

That's shocking. I see everybody's glad you said it. Do it again. I wasn't looking. You guys just know Anthony's gonna be re-watching this tomorrow just to see the I am absolutely clipping it and cutting it and going everywhere. The uh it's so funny, like when how much it didn't notice.

SPEAKER_09: 1:35:30

Yeah, that's because he says it all the time. It's normal for him.

SPEAKER_08: 1:35:36

When we're offline and on the phone, Rob says it every other word. Um, it is a they're saying you say it all the time. Well, I try not to, but how much the conversation around that word has changed, and just the all all the taboos that would have shocked people a couple of years ago are just kind of crumbling around us, and people are bringing back words that would have been so offensive, and yes, but how's how much bringing it back? That's that's from a movie, okay. Uh Rob, do it for me. I left pints for you guys one more time. Shiloh Hendrix said it. You gotta say it in a sentence, so it's not like you're just dropping it from the television. You really did miss what I said. I had no idea what you said.

SPEAKER_10: 1:36:26

What did I say, guys? I forget what I said.

SPEAKER_09: 1:36:38

Next week, Rob's gonna have a low taper fade and gold chain from the LLC menu.

SPEAKER_10: 1:36:52

Hang on, hang on, hang on, I got, I got let me see.

SPEAKER_08: 1:36:56

I had uh oh dude. I mean, we could play the other Lila clip that I didn't want to play on the main show because I didn't want to be too harsh on her.

SPEAKER_09: 1:37:08

What was the other one?

SPEAKER_08: 1:37:10

Oh, the uh the one with Franco in it. Yeah, that one's bad. And then also, man, the church is dropping the standard, which this happened on the Francis, really, but they're dropping the standard like everything. You used to have to translate every church document into Latin. Well, from Latin, well, it was written in Latin. And it had to be. It was like um, like it was uh let's see. Uh for the first time, regulations stipulate that I cast oh no no, that's not it. Uh before that.

SPEAKER_10: 1:37:49

Where is it? Where's the actual okay?

SPEAKER_09: 1:38:01

Wait until Christian sees the clip.

SPEAKER_08: 1:38:04

Yeah, wait till Eric McCabe sees that among the most striking changes is the disappearance of the old requirement that Curial Act be drafted as a rule in Latin. Vatican officials privately acknowledge that with Italian, English, French, and other modern languages now permitted for normal use, this will in practice mean the abandonment of Latin. Like this just made me think of when we were talking about Josh's tweet that day about how it's it's like the last vestiges of Romanitas disappearing from the church through synodality, and it it was like that's not good. No, like we're the Latin church, and we're no longer our we're not using Latin in the Latin church, like the the this I've kind of come to the I've especially watching the House of David stuff. I don't want to criticize the hierarchy anymore.

SPEAKER_09: 1:39:03

Kale, you missed Anthony getting me to say the N-word. Yes, I got I got Rob to say the N-word.

SPEAKER_08: 1:39:10

That's what we missed your class for, Kale. That right there. Um, so uh Kale, I'm I'm signing up in the morning and I will be watching tomorrow, just so you know. Um, but yeah, I um wait, what was I just saying? The uh the the the criticizing the hierarchy thing. I've been really just I had somebody reach out to me and they were like, Do you want to interview this priest? This priest was defrocked because he accused Pope Leo of covering up abuse in his diocese, and but and I'm like, No, I don't want I don't want I don't want to be involved in any of that stuff. I don't want to even talk about the hierarchy. I don't and it's not because I think that it's I'm not like a Pope's pointer, it's because I'm in fear of my soul for criticizing the hierarchy. Like, I don't want that on my I just I just think that they're going to destroy the church and I'm gonna let them do it, and I'm not gonna contribute to it.

SPEAKER_09: 1:40:05

I'm I'm not as afraid about that. I just I'm afraid for my own faith, you know what I mean? Like it it it it eats at my faith to have to always talk about the the shitty stuff happening in the church.

SPEAKER_08: 1:40:23

Yeah, well, I I kind of see it as Leo has cemented Vatican IIism into place, like that's it. It's it's cemented in. I mean, I know it's been cemented in since the council, but it's right.

SPEAKER_09: 1:40:37

But we thought maybe after Francis there was a chance, might be like right, like it's like Francis went too far. We got gotta dial it back a little bit.

SPEAKER_08: 1:40:46

Like this is this is in place its thing, so it's like I'm not going to just scandal monger and ambulance chase. I'd rather I'd rather find other stuff to talk about. Today was a slow news day, so we did the Michael Matt thing. I mean, I probably could have found something better to talk about, but I I don't know. We've been saying for a while we want to start doing some like more in-depth stuff, and I think especially during advent, like we jump into the gospel of John, we'll start there, we'll do like we'll do stuff like that whenever we can. We'll try to do some more educational stuff, we'll try to do some more interviews, but I don't I don't want to contribute to the downfall of the church. Like, I think they these men are gonna bring the church down, and I don't see how me adding my voice and and doing the John Henry Weston thing helps anything.

SPEAKER_09: 1:41:35

If anything, it contributes to tearing it down, right?

SPEAKER_08: 1:41:39

That's what I mean. I don't I don't want to contribute to, I don't want to add to it. I don't I don't know what is happening. I think what we're witnessing is very mysterious, but I do think that God has his hand in all of it, and I'm just going to try and talk to our audience about how to keep our faith through the craziness. Like, I'm gonna tell you guys about the things that I'm doing and what's kind of exciting me. So if we do the gospel of John, that's because I kind of need to do that right now. Like, I kind of need to do a little bit of a deep dive into scripture because that'll help me remain like firm in my in my faith that God is faithful to his promises, and I'll try to bring that over here and stuff.

SPEAKER_09: 1:42:18

We need to get um Raymond Ibrahim on too. His new book just released today, and I'm gonna be starting it tomorrow, so um yeah, and I just read his well, I've just read his last two books, but the what the one um sword and scimitar was the first, right? And then what was Defenders of the West? It you know, it it it he goes through eight men who you were defenders of the West. And um, apart from the Vlad Tepish uh Dracula, who was there's no one knows if he was really Orthodox or Catholic, but he was the only one that wasn't for sure Catholic. The other seven of the eight were all Catholic, and like learning about those men, just seeing um wait, Vlad was a real guy.

SPEAKER_08: 1:43:14

I don't know, dude. I don't know this. I I never started the crusade like that.

SPEAKER_09: 1:43:18

Oh, I think I'm just joking right now.

SPEAKER_08: 1:43:19

Wait, no, like I know I know the story of Dracula has to do with him having to fight off like a Muslim horde. So like his son, his they wanted his son or something, right?

SPEAKER_09: 1:43:32

So Dra no, no. Um, so Dracula, uh Vlad Vlad the Third, uh Vlad Teppes, Vlad the Impaler or something. Um, yeah, so that's what they called him. Uh, the the Turks called him the Lord Impaler. Um, but he he his um his title was Dracul, which is son of the dragon, because his father, Vlad the Second, was initiated into the knightly order of the dragon, right? One of these sh chivalric um knightly orders um for defending uh defending against the Turks. Um, but Vlad and his his brother were both um given to the Turks by his father at a young age to kind of seal a peace. And um his brother, I forget what his brother's name was, but his his nickname was um the handsome. So I forget what his first name was, but his brother was very handsome. Anyway, so him and his brother are are being raised more or less by the Turkish Sultan and stuff, and is the the Turks, as you well, most people probably don't know, but um the Turks uh really loved little boys. Um, they were very into sodomy. Matter of fact, sodomy was often called the Turkish disease. The Sultan falls in love or in lust with Vlad's brother, the handsome. Um, but it's anyway. So they're raised by the the the Muslims. Vlad eventually is released, his brother is not. Vlad returns to Wallachia. Um and he he ends up he he's you know he's made into the prince, he's kicked out by the nobles after a while, he retakes his throne, impales all the nobles. Um, and impaling was a very common kind of punishment at the time, especially by the Turks. So he's just using what he learned from the Turks, and he uses it um as a as a weapon of terror, especially. So he subdues all the nobles who threw who overthrew his father and who overthrew him the first time. He impales them all, um, raises all of his buddies in the army um up into the nobility, and he he basically, as prince of this little little nation of Wallachia, defends all of Europe against the the the Muslim Turks, really around the same time, they just took Constantinople. So you're talking about the Ottoman Empire, who just took Constantinople, is being thwarted by a random Wallachian prince in you know, like 10,000 guys in the middle of the Carpathian m uh mountains, and Vlad has stalled out the Ottoman advance on all of Europe, and he he takes any any um Turk that is captured, impales the Turk, um, and when we say impale, it's through the anus up through the body through the out through the mouth. Oh my gosh, yeah, and he he puts them all in this it ends up being called the forest of the impaled.

SPEAKER_08: 1:46:43

And at one point, there's like 20,000 Turks on on pikes through their ass through their ass in this this this man-made forest. This is so much more vulgar than the n-word, by the way.

SPEAKER_09: 1:46:58

But but the Turks, the Turks are terrified, yeah, right. I he and they literally call him the 20,000 Turks impairing like that. At one point, uh Vlad and a um a small force uh attack the Turkish camp in the middle of the night and come within inches of of killing the Sultan. Um, I mean, he was just a terror on the Turks, and like I said, this one prince in this small little nation, you know, stalls out, stalls out the whole bottom of the marine.

SPEAKER_08: 1:47:29

How does that turn into Dracula? Like so the legend is just so powerful that they that it becomes that.

SPEAKER_09: 1:47:38

So at this not only was Vlad warring with the Turks, but um Wallachia is right next to Transylvania. Transylvania is this little territory with a couple of um cities that were populated by um uh sac uh Saxons, you know, Saxons from Germany, but it's in the Carpa Carpathian Mountain Mountains past Hungary. So it's this little exclave of Germans, that's why it's called Transylvania, you know. Um and they were uh they I think I forget the exact story, but they they and and and Vlad were not friendly, right? So these these Saxons, these Germans, start writing propaganda against Vlad, saying he likes to drink blood, you know, all this stuff. And that's how the legend begins. That's it, it all begins as as propaganda by a few German cities, you know, in a territory next to to Vlad. And of course, the the Turks, the Turks pushed it too, right?

SPEAKER_08: 1:48:43

Ironically, the them creating that propaganda is what makes the story indoor.

SPEAKER_09: 1:48:51

Like well, you gotta understand no like the propaganda failed. No one knew about it, right? Until um Bram Stoker. He he he find he finds this name, Dracula, you know, Dracool, yeah. Um finds some of the the old propaganda about him and adds this into you know into this this vampire story he's making. Yeah, if he had chosen anyone else, you wouldn't know, you know, you wouldn't even know you wouldn't even know this story happened. No, no, no, not at all.

SPEAKER_08: 1:49:30

And um, but that's what I mean. Like that propaganda, the fact that a legend starts to be told about him, yeah. Like that that legend is what make it because you you think about all of the legends of our faith, right? Like they, you know, of saints walking with their heads for for miles after their heads are cut off, they pick them up and they still go and preach and stuff. Like, you wonder how much of that really happened the way we tell the legend. So, like when we went to when we went to the holy house of Loretto, the girl telling the story, I think I told this on air, but the girl telling us about the holy house was giving us two versions of it. She's like, well, the scientific answer is there was a man named Angelo, and he transported the house during the crusades to this town. But the legend is that angels carried the holy house of Loretto from Nazareth to Loretto. And we were all like, Don't tell us the like I want to hear the legend. Like, the legend is what I want to put my faith in because the legend is the beautiful story is that angels carried the carried the house along, you know. And it's it's very much like the the Dracula story. It's like, tell me the legend.

SPEAKER_09: 1:50:45

I want to hear the legend in my view, the legend of Dracula is less interesting than less interesting than the truth of uh of of Vlad Tepish. Yeah, you know, and Vlad um he he he was a you know a strong Christian, he raised by Muslims and their depravity. His his brother, um, he has to fight his brother. His brother didn't, you know, he has to fight his brother, who he saw raped by the Sultan over and over and over for years, and he raises his small little nation and stalls out the advance for for decades and probably saves Europe. And of course, eventually he he does lose, he's beheaded, his nation's conquered. Now Wallachia doesn't exist anymore.

SPEAKER_08: 1:51:30

Yeah, you know, in the end, he he lost everything he was fighting for, but saved Europe, you know, and and reading about him and and all these other men who who literally gave everything for their faith and for their their countries and for their families, and it's just such uh a dichotomy between them and then seeing a bunch of older Moroccans rape uh an Italian girl as her boyfriend is sitting there and watching.

SPEAKER_09: 1:52:05

Well, yeah, but I I I I I brought this up in relation to like the petty little trad feuds on Twitter. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and like the like the the the real tr traditionally you know traditional Catholic men went to war and impaled 20,000 people to the ass.

SPEAKER_08: 1:52:22

You know, I I'm just saying that we went from understanding the enemy that we were really faced to welcoming them in, and now the things that they're doing to us because we are upon like we're there's going to be another jihad on Christian lands because we welcome these people into our lands. There's no there's no and there's no defense against it because we don't have a Christendom to defend us against what's coming, like the the that story in Italy today, it was like like pure nightmare fuel. This young couple, they're engaged, the girl's 18, and three Moroccan immigrants hold the boyfriend down and make him watch her get abused. And it's like this is this is what our church defends now, like in the in the in the sick, twisted way that we understand all this stuff, and it all goes back to what we talked about in the freaking YouTube section.

SPEAKER_09: 1:53:22

Yeah, but I would just I would say like, yeah, that the church obviously isn't there uh supporting us right in in this fight that's coming, but it often wasn't throughout history, like these these eight guys that this book is, you know, the the book is on, like um Paleo, you know, um that's a Spanish name for him, but he was Pelagius in Spain. Like he you had the the bishop Otto, um who was the bishop of the area of Spain um after the the invasion by the Moors. Um his bishop comes to him and tells him to lay down, you know, to to basically give up, to submit to the Moors. Um the the bishop was working with the Muslims. Um and Playo refuses and goes to the very like the very, very northern, you know, mountainous court uh coast of Spain, last little sliver of land, you know, not conquered by the Moors, um prays in in a cave at Covidanga, um, prays to the Virgin Mother, and then raises a small army, defeats the the Moors at the Battle of Cavadanga, and then that starts the the Reconquista, you know, from the last little sliver of land to 700 years later under Ferdinand and Isabella, you know, conquering Granada. All right, so we have to get Raymond Ibrahim on.

SPEAKER_08: 1:54:46

Um his new book came out today.

SPEAKER_10: 1:54:50

Yep.

SPEAKER_09: 1:54:51

Uh I forget the audio book. Something two sorts the two swords of Christ. It's about the the religious military orders.

SPEAKER_08: 1:55:00

All right, so if if you see the audiobook of it, send send it, send it to me, and I'll try and uh I'll try and get it in. Yeah, that just released today. Um my wife picked up uh Charles Dickens um David Copperfield and she got like five Dickens books, all all at a thrift store. She got me Dante's Purgatorio. I gotta get Inferno now to complete it, but um, yeah, go to thrift stores. You'll find some good books there too. Because never never went thrift store shopping, but um, all right, we'll wrap this one up and no show Thursday. Um, oh, you got the audible for me. Perfect. Yep, um, and uh all right, so we'll see you guys on Tuesday. I don't know, you're gonna be away all weekend. Yeah, you're gonna be a good one.

SPEAKER_09: 1:55:54

But I mean, I'll just be at a hotel.

SPEAKER_08: 1:55:57

All right, we'll see how it goes. Maybe if we're not doing nothing Friday, we'll jump on for a half hour or something. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see how it goes. Oh, we're not promising nothing, but all right, so we'll see you guys on uh so wait. So that means Michael E. Michael Jones is on next Thursday. Next Thursday. Yeah. So all right, I gotta get some of his book reading in. So all right, we will see you guys on Tuesday. Go go join Cal's class if you guys haven't yet.

SPEAKER_10: 1:56:24

Yeah, I gotta I gotta watch a video from tonight. All right, we'll see you guys Tuesday.