Massie's New Wife Sparks Faith Debate Across America (Full LOCALS Episode)

A year after a spouse dies, is remarriage a betrayal, a grace, or just life unfolding? We open with a candid look at grief, family, and the uneasy line between private healing and public announcements. The question isn’t just “how long,” it’s who gets to decide—kids, community, conscience, or the loudest voices online. From there, we follow a thread many of us know by feel: the instinct to talk to those we’ve lost. That human impulse leads us straight into the communion of saints and why Marian devotion becomes a lifeline when shame or sorrow makes prayer hard. We share personal moments that reveal how mothers suffer with their children and how that illuminates Mary as Our Lady of Sorrows—mercy in motion, drawing us back to Christ when we’d rather hide.

We also take a hard look at a recent Vatican move to discourage titles like co-redemptrix and mediatrix, even while nodding to their theological core. Does softening language to avoid confusion help anyone, or does it leave ordinary Catholics adrift? We argue for clear teaching that invites trust, not calculated ambiguity that breeds doubt. Along the way, we map the ecosystem that turns controversy into rocket fuel: platform gatekeeping, the Streisand effect, and why Gen Z tunes out scolding and hunts for straight talk. When fear defines the narrative, audiences don’t disappear—they migrate.

This conversation spans mourning etiquette, Marian theology, and media dynamics for a reason: they all shape how we live, love, and believe in public. If you want a space that respects grief, honors Mary, and still calls out bad incentives with a laugh, you’re in the right place. Subscribe, share this with a friend who needs a clear-headed take, and leave a review with your own answer to the hardest question of the hour: who should set the rules for grief and devotion—tradition, family, or the feed?

We discuss the news of Thomas Massie's recent marriage, the new DDF document on Marian titles, and more!

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Chapters

• 0:00 Cold Open: Missing Intro And Setup
• 3:30 The Massey Remarriage Debate
• 13:30 Personal Story: Grief, Kids, And Moving On
• 22:00 Standards Of Mourning And Double Standards
• 29:30 From Gallows Humor To Online Backlash
• 34:00 Communion Of Saints And Grief Intuition
• 41:00 Mary’s Sorrow, Mercy, And Maternal Insight
• 51:00 Vatican Document And Marian Titles
• 1:02:00 Scandal, Protestants, And Catholic Clarity
• 1:12:00 Tucker, Shapiro, Fear, And Self-Fulfilling Prophecies
• 1:28:00 Censorship, Platforms, And Gen Z Drift
• 1:38:00 Versailles, Nationalism, And Modern Crisis
• 1:52:00 Pro-Life Leadership, Feminization, And Authority
• 2:06:00 Community, Pilgrimage Plans, And Audience

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:30

What happened to Taffy?

SPEAKER_04: 0:33

I don't know if we had one this time.

SPEAKER_02: 0:35

Bailed on us? Is Taffy? I'm always like excited to see the intro video, and Taffy let us go.

SPEAKER_04: 0:40

Let me maybe he sent one and I just didn't see Rob's heart's not in it.

SPEAKER_02: 0:45

Rob's heart's not in it tonight.

SPEAKER_04: 0:47

Well, he only chose the worst top oh crap, he did send one.

SPEAKER_02: 0:52

Yeah, of course, Rob. You are not. Here's the thing. Rob doesn't ever trust me when I tell him what we're gonna talk about.

SPEAKER_04: 0:59

I don't know why. Well, literally every reply to the tweet that today asked why the hell we were doing this one.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11

I don't know. Sometimes I got a little rant in me, and sometimes I think something's interesting. Even if you people don't understand it, it might be interesting.

SPEAKER_04: 1:18

Yeah, guys, you gotta see Anthony doesn't care what you want. I don't care.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24

Yes, I talk about what I want to talk about, and you guys come along for the ride. We'll see how it does. I don't always win. I don't know. Do the best I can. Um, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04: 1:33

So so even the the little coaching software that uh you know will tell me it's what's a good title and and stuff. Yeah, basically, I put this one. I I I typed this one in, and it's like this does not seem to match with your audience.

SPEAKER_02: 1:50

I'm like, I know, right? Well, I think try to tell him I think he should just went with the title I gave. I think it would have been because I think the debate, the debate, it's not really like it's a debate, but like uh Thomas Massey, who cares? His wife, his wife passed a year ago, right? Um and I remember when his wife passed, like everybody, like all these conspiracy theories came out because like it was all it was like seemed like it was so sudden, and everybody was like right away went to like you know, was not everyone, a few idiots on Twitter. Most people thought like it could have been the jab, you know, and but his reaction at the time was very like nonchalant. Like he he was, I don't know, he seemed a little like callous about it.

SPEAKER_04: 2:35

And I was like, all right, you know, he's married for 31 years, his wife passed, and um, and then he announced on Twitter you guys have to understand, no matter how you act during any sort of crisis or event, Anthony will say it's wrong and he'll judge you for it. I mean, it's Twitter, you're supposed to do that. It's what you're supposed to forget. You know what? We're we're sharing the whole episode over.

SPEAKER_00: 3:10

Listen, EBT is done. No more government card. So we take over now. This podcast, Avoiding Babylon. We are the host, steady, logical, very catholic, and I am wrong.

SPEAKER_02: 3:23

I can't believe he got the mayor of um Minnesota. Mayor of Minnesota. I hate the apples. Uh it's not much different from my uh New York City mayor that's coming in. Um so um the so he he pops up um a picture of this woman he's getting married to. You have a picture of it?

SPEAKER_03: 3:50

It's on the thumbnail. All right, put it up. I don't know. Some people come in mid street. Oh my gosh, guys.

SPEAKER_02: 3:57

I don't know how I'm supposed to uh do a show with a guy that doesn't want to do the show.

SPEAKER_04: 4:04

You didn't tell me you'd have a picture ready.

SPEAKER_02: 4:07

I mean, I put a tweet in there with my with the picture. I know, I'm not sure. You can pop that out.

SPEAKER_04: 4:10

Yeah, that's what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_02: 4:14

Why don't show it? People say don't show all right. So that's so that's that's his his new wife, right? Um, and um I asked the question, uh, should he have waited longer than a year after his wife passed to remarry? And the thing is, you know, marriage uh is till death to us part. So I don't think there's anything morally wrong with him remarrying, but I I don't know, something seemed like a lack of decorum to just jump on social media a year after your wife of 31 years passed and just pop that up. I it just seemed like a lack of decorum in my opinion.

SPEAKER_04: 4:49

Yeah, for a Protestant nation, maybe who, but who cares? Right? I mean, it's pretty common in the Catholic world, has been for two millennia.

SPEAKER_02: 5:00

Um so all right, so I the reason I thought this was interesting is because I actually have a situation in that I'm that I'm pretty close to where the wife passed and the husband moved on kind of quickly. Um, it was a woman that worked with him, and he moved on pretty quickly, and it almost seemed like the grieving process didn't take place, and it wreaked havoc on the family. Like the the kid how did the wife pass? Cancer.

SPEAKER_04: 5:35

So the grieving could have been done during that.

SPEAKER_02: 5:38

Probably. I mean, it was yeah, it was probably it was like probably about a year process from like finding out till till the passing. But the thing is, when when she passed, the the kids were in this like really deep grief and like you know, going through losing their mother, and the father was like like a month later out on dates with this person and like having a good old time. Okay, well, a month is a month is pretty fast, it was maybe two months, you know, like two months later was like out, like doing his thing. Yeah, but Rob, like this is a year later you're getting married. I mean, unless they started dating a month ago and they just got married real quick. Like, I I you know it's it's kind of quick, so it's not but the thing is, like, um, like Ryan Grant got married pretty quickly, but he had nine kids, and I know saints people talk about St. Thomas More. Like St. Thomas Moore, his wife passed, but he also had like a dozen kids. So I don't know if there's nuance to this, right? I don't know I I just don't, I guess I'm holding myself as the standard, and I'm saying, like, there's no chance I'm moving on from my wife that quickly, you know, but like who the hell am I to hold myself up as like the standard bearer of morality? So I don't know. It was just one of those things that just seemed to lack decorum, but it's it's like you also don't want like I'm I'm trying to think of it as my if my mom passed, right?

SPEAKER_04: 7:11

Like I mean, all your you're all grown, right?

SPEAKER_02: 7:16

So, but Thomas Massey's youngest is like uh 12 or 13, I would think. I think I saw a picture. They had that picture of the whole family with the guns. That was like a couple years back, it wasn't too long ago. I think I think he has like a teen, a young teen girl. Um, like if so, if my if my mom did pass, like you wouldn't want your father to just be in this dark grief forever, but you would want like an appropriate grieving time, and then you'd actually probably be happy for your dad if he saw some light and started like being happy again, you know. So I don't know. What do you you do you don't think there should be some kind of like uh a standard grieving period? Like I would think at least a year, like women. If my wife if I pass that my wife's married within a year, I'm coming back and haunting her. Like, no, that's not okay.

SPEAKER_04: 8:05

Uh I think it no, there shouldn't be a standard because everything is gonna be you know, every situation is different, you know, like if I were to pass now, you know, I have four kids under the age of six. You know, my life insurance will get them a few years at least. But like my but hope in the kids need someone to provide for them.

SPEAKER_03: 8:32

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_04: 8:33

The kids are gonna need some sort of father figure to at least protect them and help raise them. So, you know, it like the thing is, like you can say, yeah, maybe she they should wait a certain amount of time, but what if the perfect opportunity, or you know, or a good person presents themselves. I don't think you should wait if that's the best option for the family at that point. You're insane.

SPEAKER_02: 8:55

What you want your wife moving on in four months because an opportunity popped up, she's not even worried about you anymore, bro. You say that stop it. I don't hope something happens to Rob. I'll set you up. Don't worry, you got six weeks.

SPEAKER_04: 9:09

Something happens to me, lose his number.

SPEAKER_02: 9:12

Yeah, I'm gonna be over here still trying to raise money for your family, and hope's gonna have a new husband. Be like, what's going on here?

SPEAKER_04: 9:21

The they no, they'll be fine, they could be fine for 10 years.

SPEAKER_02: 9:25

Well, that's the point. Look, I'm just saying, I I think there could be an appropriate grieving time. Like, I I think a woman, a widow loses her husband. Like, if she if there's a wit, I think a year she has to wear black, she has to wear black for a year. She's not like dating, is not even like an appropriate thing for a year. You think that's crazy?

SPEAKER_04: 9:44

A year it depends on the situation. No, it does, dude.

SPEAKER_02: 9:51

There is another you're nuts. You're nuts. A year is an appropriate amount of time.

SPEAKER_04: 9:58

How how many GoFundMe's have we shared on this show and donated to for families that lost like uh a young husband and they didn't have life insurance?

SPEAKER_02: 10:10

I still think the wife has a year, a year for what for to go for her kids to starve. No, she has to wear black for a year. If the husband left his wife with and she can't live a year without him, then maybe that's fine, I guess, because that guy sucked. That's a failure of a husband if you didn't leave your wife enough money for a year after you passed. I mean, you have a duty to at least have a year's a year's worth of survival for your family if you go, no?

SPEAKER_04: 10:39

I would think so, yes.

SPEAKER_02: 10:42

I mean, there's a year all right. Look, and that's a little different for men. A little different for men.

SPEAKER_04: 10:48

Now, I'm not even saying a little different for men.

SPEAKER_02: 10:50

I don't know, because it's different. I think you oh you had six months for men, but they were all half-assed. Six months for men, a year for a woman in black. Like you, like the the possibility of a date isn't even coming on your mind.

SPEAKER_04: 11:06

Okay, here's the thing. Here's the thing your your picture in your head of uh a woman in black morning clothes is probably like the shawl, yes, you know, the dress. He has to basically wear a job. Whereas you're thinking, if I have to wear black for a year, I just black t-shirts.

SPEAKER_02: 11:24

Yes, the woman has to basically look like she's Muslim, she's gotta wear the the whole the head covering everything, she's gotta look like a nun, all right, and she has to she has to be crying for four months straight. Four months of crying. This is why Erica Kirk is making it. No, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_04: 11:42

Because here's the thing after after after oh after three days of crying, you'd be like, crying too much. I don't trust it.

SPEAKER_02: 11:51

I might. You would if it's a woman, yeah. I probably won't trust it. But all right, we do have to talk about Erica Kirk. No, we don't, yes, we do. Because you have stopped me from talking about this for so long.

SPEAKER_04: 12:04

Oh, I've tried so hard to hold it back.

SPEAKER_02: 12:07

And you have you have not let me talk about this for so long, but from the from the first day she gave her speech, I got like I texted Rob the next day. I was like, I don't know, something's off with that check. You and you snapped.

SPEAKER_04: 12:20

I replied, I replied to say your every mouth do not say that in public.

SPEAKER_02: 12:27

Rob's like, you don't need to say your every intrusive thought. I'm like, I don't know, man. I'm just telling you, there's something not right with this chick. I'm like, there's I said she has like she carried um like as the grieving widow, like the equity that that position held. If she if she, in my opinion, at the time, I'm like, there's something like she she was coming off to me like and I'm just saying look, I'm just saying this is what it seemed like, just so everyone knows. I completely disavow what Rob did not agree with this. This is kind of the beauty of this show, is that he and I have very different takes on things. Okay, my initial impression. This was my initial impression, almost like she was like happy that the the spotlight hog is out of the way now and she can be the star. That's how it came off to me. Okay, and it just real recognize real, right? Aunt, I'm just saying, I know a narcissist when I see one, bro. So I'm watching the the Erica Kirk thing go, and I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I don't know, man. Like the constant fake tears where she's she's only dabbing her left eye with the with the napkin, not the right eye. So she's only got tears out of this one side, and the looking uh, I don't know, man. The whole thing just seems so choreographed, and the the like, I don't know, that first speech, how she was just promoting TP USA, and it was like a it was like an acceptance speech at the at the Grammys or something, it was an Oscar speech or something. It was weird.

SPEAKER_04: 14:15

Hey, if I died today, tomorrow you would come on here and use my death to promote a voting Babylon.

SPEAKER_02: 14:22

Yeah, yeah, but you're not my husband or my wife. I'm just saying, I don't have to grieve you. Um that's not you're not a spouse. I have some duties to you. Let's not uh I do have you wouldn't wear black for four months. Well, I wear black like this. I'm rocking this. Here's all right. So if you pass, right? If Rob passes, the grieving process is okay. I start a fundraiser for hope and the kids. My goal is to get to a million for you. That's my goal. Like, I I'm gonna try and get as close to a million as I can so that hope and the kids are set. Like, that's actually what I'm gonna try and do. I don't know how close I'll get to it, but I will go on every freaking show promoting that. I will go to the ends of the earth to try and get that for you, right?

SPEAKER_04: 15:07

I love how they our audience thinks us talking about our hypothetical deaths is funny.

SPEAKER_02: 15:12

Yeah, well, listen, I'm telling you how this goes. If something happens to Rob, Rob passes, right?

SPEAKER_04: 15:16

Hold on, we do need to talk about a sponsor real quick, actually.

SPEAKER_02: 15:24

We'll get the requisites, we'll get the requisite. Hang on. So the so Rob passes. I I try to I try to raise money for hope and the kids because I do feel I have a duty to them, and then the hunt for a co-host begins on day three, right after the funeral, right after the requiem mass. Day three after the funeral, or are you suggesting day two is the funeral? All right, so so look, you let's say the wake is all right. So let's say you die on a Tuesday. The wake is Friday. I was a good dude. Let's say let's say you die on a Tuesday, right? Uh yes. Uh we get we get the wake together by Thursday, right? Friday, Friday, Friday, we get the wake together. I I don't know how does that work with a Sunday? Because you can't you can't fulfill your most funerals are on Saturdays, aren't they? So what we just got a one-day wake for you? Well, maybe we do Thursday, Friday, Saturday, right? What are we, humong? We don't need a three-day wake. A two-day wake, Thursday, Friday's a wake, and then the funeral mass is Saturday.

SPEAKER_04: 16:30

You guys must do funerals different in New York.

SPEAKER_02: 16:33

What do you mean? What do you guys do?

SPEAKER_04: 16:34

A one showing, yeah, like the night before, and then maybe an hour before the funeral.

SPEAKER_02: 16:41

Oh, we do like we do two, we do two days, and you'll have an afternoon showing and a night showing the one day, afternoon showing and night showing the second day, and then you have the funeral mass.

SPEAKER_04: 16:51

You're put you're putting me in an avoiding babylon shirt for the showings, aren't you?

SPEAKER_02: 16:56

Yes, you're wearing you're going to wear. Have you accepted Mary as your personal lord and intercessor? Personal personal mother and intercessor personal mother and intercessor.

SPEAKER_04: 17:08

Well, I know what we can't put on that shirt now.

SPEAKER_02: 17:12

Oh, we can't.

SPEAKER_04: 17:13

Well, maybe we should have you accepted Mary as your personal co-redemptrix immediately.

SPEAKER_02: 17:17

I think maybe we do need to make a shirt. So, all right, so I'm trying. I'm trying to, yes, we actually should. Okay, have you accepted Mary as your personal co-redemptrix? So funeral mass on Saturday, right? Um I'm doing the fundraiser throughout this time, and then I'd say, so that means there's no show on Thursday, guys. So Rob passes on Tuesday. There's no show Tuesday or Thursday. So I mean that's a grieving period. You guys are missing two shows. So the third show the following Tuesday, the hunt begins for your replacement.

SPEAKER_04: 17:51

Are you gonna run it like a um America's got talent thing?

SPEAKER_02: 17:55

It'd be like, you know, I'll give out a golden ticket or something. I'll I'll do auditions. I'll probably I'd probably like interview. Well, I'd probably have like fill-ins for two weeks.

SPEAKER_04: 18:05

Like I, you know, I'd probably have like like um uh send out invites to all the current you know podcasters inviting them on. Make sure not to send one to Trent.

SPEAKER_02: 18:15

And I would bring on the regulars, I'd bring on Hitchborne, Pantile, uh Joshua Charles, and I'd see what the audience thought who I have to do with. We're not scholarly enough for Joshua Charles. That's true. That's true, that's true. Um, so all right, so back to Thomas Massey. Like, I think I think the wife passes a year later, it's like then you start dating, like, but you or don't announce it on Twitter.

SPEAKER_04: 18:47

But then okay, but then if he didn't, people would say he's keeping it a secret. Yeah, you're allowed to have a private life. Really? Why the hell are we talking about this then?

SPEAKER_02: 18:59

Well, this is this is why you have to have a private life. Like, you don't need to announce all this stuff on social media. I'm just saying, so now you know we yeah, on everyone, Robin. Jonathan Pigot would be bugged for a sweet. So but the all right, so I think he should have I think he should have handled that with a little more decorum. I don't know how his kids reacted and stuff, but look, it doesn't look right. You you you go, you lose 45 pounds, you go and pick up a chick half your age. I'm just saying it looks like maybe there was foul play. I'm just saying. The evidence doesn't look all right, guys. Settle down, I'm kidding. We gotta relax. Everybody got really mad at me when I made that joke. I don't know, guys. It's gallows humor. I don't know what to tell you guys. Yes, it's a uh it's not a bell jar. It's actually I don't know what it is. It's just a big cup, and I have to make sure it's a big cup, it's a big cup. Um, so yeah, and the and the Erica Kirk thing. Um, I did put a clip of Erica Kirk in there that I kind of wanted to play. Um wait, is that the right one though?

SPEAKER_03: 20:22

I wanted the one where she talks about Charlie hearing her in heaven. I don't think that's the right one. I don't think that's the right one. No, that's not the right one.

SPEAKER_02: 20:34

Well, Erica Kirk, uh, when she was interviewed by um uh Jesse Waters, uh said that she tells her kids, if you ever want to talk to daddy, just talk to daddy in heaven, and daddy hears you. Now, this whole like debacle after after Charlie passed about is Charlie Catholic, you know, Charlie wasn't Catholic. They were there was Protestants and Catholics arguing over this. And my point was simply that for a Protestant, like they they may say they don't believe in the communion of saints, they may mock you if you have a devotion to a saint or ask a saint's intercession. But every one of them, if they lose the loved one, if they lost a loved one, intuitively understands that that loved one loved one is still connected to you in some way, and that you can still speak to them and and they'll hear you, you know. So, like if a if a husband loses his spouse, I don't care what his theology is, he will still talk to his wife after she's gonna unless you're Thomas Maskey and you get remarried in six months and you got a wife half her age.

SPEAKER_03: 21:42

No, boom, all right, thought that was funny.

SPEAKER_04: 21:45

I was just gonna say, unless your wife's Italian, then she talks to you as she haunts you and yells at you.

SPEAKER_02: 21:50

Yeah, um, so I think it's just uh it's almost like like Catholicism is just intuitive, and I think that's how church teaching even developed is just that intuition that when a soul passes on, they're not gone. I think um even C. S. Lewis's like if you ever if you ever know someone who lost a loved one, C. S. Lewis's A Grief Observed is a really good book because it's short, you could read it in one sitting, it's like a 30-minute read. But he talks about how like love reaches into eternity, and he says, if if she like because I love her now, like if she is not now, then she never was. Like if she doesn't exist now, because he loves her still, and that love is an eternal thing. This is almost why I kind of get the argument for pets getting going to be in in heaven, because if you love the pet, like that love stretches into eternity. Now, I don't know if the pet will be in its form that it is in life, but the love you had for your pet, some form of that love will stretch into eternity, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_04: 23:03

Coming from the guy who hates all pets.

SPEAKER_02: 23:06

Yeah, yeah. I don't I'm not gonna my I'm not my I don't love my pets, but I know people have this like deep love for their like Don is I think so in the like the agape sort of way.

SPEAKER_04: 23:19

Can you really love something without a rational eternal soul? I think so.

SPEAKER_02: 23:25

I don't know. I'm not I'm not I'm not a pet guy, but I know this.

SPEAKER_04: 23:30

Anthony Anthony's really saying this because he wants to see his coy in heaven.

SPEAKER_02: 23:36

No, I know this. Um, yeah, yeah. Speaking of like widows and widowers, um like we did try to get a dog a few years back, and the dog bit one of my kids' friends, so we had to get rid of the dog. So we gave it, we gave it away, and the guy who took it was a widower. His wife had passed, he was like 65 years old, his wife had passed, and he took the dog. And we checked in with the guy like a year later, and the dog was the guy's best friend. Like the dog went everywhere with the guy, like the dog filled a hole in this guy's life, and they like it. The love this guy had for the dog, like there was something beautiful about it, even though I could care less about the dog itself. Like, the the the love the guy has for the dog, I think will stretch into eternity in some form. I don't know if the dog itself goes into eternity, but that love does last forever. I can probably born the koi for a year. There's still there's still one koi and three goldfish left in the pond. Um, so um, all right. Should we talk about this document by the DDF? Uh did you see the uh Diane Montagna clip? No that I put in? Throw that off. So Diana Montagna uh put this out uh sparks fly at today's presentation of the Dicaster for the Doctrine of the Face New document. Uh, on some Marian titles regarding Mary's cooperation in the work of salvation, as an Italian layman heatedly denounces points made by the DDF prefect. The second outburst, which I caught on video, came when Professor Granchi said it is necessary to take a clear distance from the idea that Mary comes to stand between God and humanity as a sort of lightning rod, an idea he said Ratzinger himself repeatedly contested. The Italian layman specifically told uh Delhi Vatican that he doesn't represent any particular group. Regarding the title Co-Redemtrics, the new document prepared during the pontificate of Pope Francis with some modifications by Leo states that it would be inappropriate and unhelpful to use the title Co-Redemtrics as many repeated explanations are needed to prevent it from straying from the correct meaning. Alright, so play the clip of the guy. Oh, it doesn't have the subtitles? Oh, there they are.

SPEAKER_00: 26:22

There's something interesting, he says.

SPEAKER_02: 26:49

Okay, all right, you can pause it. That's all I kind of wanted to get to. So this is kind of the this is kind of the idea that almost like they're presenting this thing where it's like, well, well, God is angry, but Mary is gentle, and she'll get you in, even though God is this angry guy. And it's not, it's like there's there's such a lack of understanding, and I think a lot of it comes from like people's personal experience with their own mothers and not understanding certain things about Our Lady. And these are certain things that I picked up. I've talked about it on the show before. Like, one was with my mom, and one was with my wife. The one with my mom was when my brother was going through some really bad drug use, and all the men in the family wanted to cut my brother off and like give him tough love. And my mom just kept like we we would have at the time thought it was enabling, but it was it was this position that she took of showing enough mercy to him that when he finally did reach his lowest point, she was the one that he reached out to. And understanding my mom's position there helped me see our lady that like a mother's love is just like just pure mercy. Like they it's like they almost don't have the the the they they almost don't have the tough love in them, you know. They just have this this disposition towards mercy, and that helped me see our lady's role. Like, even when you're in your worst sin, you're almost too ashamed to go to Christ with it. You feel you feel a comfort going to our lady and just begging her to bring you back to her son. The other one was with seeing my wife react when my daughter was going through something. My daughter was dealing with a bunch of kids being mean to her, and when I saw that situation, I was kind of just like, All right, you know, we'll get through this, we'll get through this. But my wife actually felt the pain of my daughter in a way that is unexplainable. Like my wife was distraught, not because my daughter was distraught as much as she felt the pain of the things these girls said to my daughter. And it made me see how our lady suffered differently than anybody else at the foot of that cross. Like, like a mother witnessing her child going through pain. Because even as a father, right, if you're if your child has a splinter or a stub toe, like you'll do you're like, I'll literally cut my own foot off right now to spare my kid that pain. But a a mother will actually feel that pain in a different way than the father will. So seeing that helped me understand like how our lady actually suffered the pains of the cross in a different way than anybody else could have. But it also makes me see how when we're all distraught about some of the things happening in the Vatican right now, or even our Latin mass being taken away, or seeing how the hierarchy is flippant about certain things, like our lady is suffering. With us when we go through that pain. And she and she's she's she's Our Lady of Sorrows for a reason. Like she she truly experiences that pain with us in a way that I don't know. It it just it helps me have a deeper devotion to her and it helps me get through some of the crazier things that we're witnessing in the church right now.

SPEAKER_04: 30:24

Yeah, I just don't know why the Vatican's so intent on destroying the faith I was raised in.

SPEAKER_02: 30:31

I'm kind of glad they uh they didn't try to define this. Well, yeah, they would have they would have they would have butchered it.

SPEAKER_04: 30:38

But they like on one hand, they defend the theology behind co-redemptrics and mediatrics of all graces and then say not to say it. It's like, well, then just don't come up with the freaking document at all, you idiots.

SPEAKER_02: 30:49

Yeah, they would have been better off not not having the document.

SPEAKER_04: 30:51

Um I I really do see it like they care more about a bunch of Protestants who will never come to the faith than they do about people who've been you know raised Catholic their whole lives. Bunch of frauds, that's what they are.

SPEAKER_02: 31:06

The um the thing is, if you if you do see the church in its passion right now, though, you understand what's happening to our lady, and she's suffering. And like them, it's not like they demoted her, it's just they don't exalt her, they don't adorn her with these August.

SPEAKER_04: 31:26

Well, I mean, if if you think about it, how many homosexuals have some sort of mother wound? So it makes sense that all the homosexuals in the curia and in the Vatican would have no idea how to properly you know give honor and venerate a mother because they have issues with their own mothers. Yeah, that's definitely probably part of it.

SPEAKER_02: 31:46

But it's it's also this like they they they actually care more. I like my tweet this morning was uh in an attempt to not confuse the Protestants, the hierarchy has decided to confuse Catholics, you know, like like they the there's something so strange about it because when the church actually proclaims a dogma of our lady, like when they proclaim the Immaculate Conception, they think it's gonna turn Protestants off, but the Protestants that get turned off are the ones with the hardened hearts. God doesn't, I mean, God is the one who converts hearts, not us. So you're you really should just preach the truth and leave it to God to soften someone's heart instead of trying to condescend to this Protestant sensibility that it won't actually convert any Protestants. You see the Protestants gloating all over Twitter, like and none of them are gonna be like, Oh, well, the church said this, so maybe I'll be Catholic. None of them, they're just gloating, so it makes no sense. It's just but I see it as part of the passion of the church, and it's of course they're not gonna adorn her with these glorious titles and things like that because that's not going to happen yet. It will happen. She will be, she will be declared Mediatrix, it's just not time for that yet.

SPEAKER_04: 32:57

I think it's ironic that you have Tuco Fernandez who so concerned about causing confusion with co-redentrics, is the man who published Fiducia Supplicans and caused more confusion than that title ever could.

SPEAKER_02: 33:13

It's like um like the the idea of scandalizing Catholics doesn't cross their minds anymore. They don't care if they scandalize Catholics, they care if they're not what the Catholic faith is. Yeah. Um they're they're reducing the Blessed Virgin Mary to the lowest common Protestant denominator that they will accept. They don't care if Prots become Catholic, it's about synodality. It's uh it's kind of like Francis when he referred to our lady as his sister in Christ. Like it was that was like one of the most offensive things he said, in my opinion. It's like, don't demote our lady, the mother of God, to our sister in Christ, like she's just you know, I don't know. It's it's it's just appropriate for the times we're in. Um, no, they don't know normal Catholics at all. Um but the the thing is that like when things like this happen, it should drum up some kind of anger in you and a and a and a desire to defend your mother, and it will increase your love for her. It's like when we talked about the statues, like uh that that Protestant who purposely smashed the statue of our lady. And I said if somebody did that in front of me, I would punch them in the face. Like I know it's a statue, but it's you're doing it to disrespect my mother, and that I would punch you in the face if if if you did that in front of me intentionally.

SPEAKER_04: 34:45

And that would that would be an appropriate response.

SPEAKER_03: 34:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 34:54

Um then the other thing was um I kind of been going through the book of Genesis uh because we've been talking about the theme of the older and younger brother a lot. And I'm I'm like, you know what? I should really go back and reread these stories. It's been a few years, and I I wanted to really be able to discuss the stories from a deeper level than just saying Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau, um Joseph and his brothers. Like, I wanted to really dive back into those stories, and I forgot how like, especially before the Ten Commandments come, how wild the world is, you know, like it is a wild, wild world. The old especially in the book of Genesis that is being described there. Like, it's not just that Jacob takes Esau's birthright, he does take his birthright, and then he gets the blessing at the end of Isaac's life, but Esau like loses it, like totally loses it, and he's like, I am going to, I'm going to kill Jacob. Like, he has this venom, he wants to kill Jacob. So Jacob then, his father tells him, Go to your mother's brothers and tell him you want you need a wife. So he basically goes to his uncle and marries his first cousin, right? But it's it's he fall he goes to his uncle, falls in love with Rebecca, and Rebecca is the younger sister, and he tells his uncle, I'll work for you for seven years so that I can marry Rebecca. So he works for seven years. Then on the wedding night, they get Jacob drunk and they slip the other sister in. And he he sleeps with the wrong sister. And it's just so crazy how they describe these stories. Like he was that out of it that he slept with the wrong sister and didn't know it was the wrong sister until the next morning. And he's mad at his uncle for fooling him. And the uncle says, Don't worry about it, just celebrate the wedding for the week, and then I'll give you the other daughter, and you work another seven years for me. So Jacob's now got two wives, they're sisters. He's an indentured servant for 14 years. He's so he's married to his first cousins, right? So did you see the you I told you to put this tweet in the in the thing? Uh, the the Catholic Church gets a lot of hate. Bring that tweet up. Rachel, I'm sorry, Rachel. No, Rebecca, Rachel, wait, Rachel. Is it Rachel or Rebecca? Rebecca is Jacob's mom. Rachel is the wife. I don't know, one of the two. I don't know. Uh the Catholic Church gets a lot of hate, but let's give them credit where it's due. They banned cousin marriage, broke up the clans, boosted Europe's IQ, built trust, and even scrapped usury. In short, they accidentally invented civilization. Accidentally, so like the Protestants went nuts over this, and I actually like I started asking them like, where in the Bible does it say you can't marry your first cousin? Because actually, in the Bible, it's promoting cousin marriage. Even before that, uh sibling marriage, sibling marriage, like not and not just that, like Abraham goes to a town with his wife, Sarah, and tells everybody, no, it's just my sister, don't worry, and let's his wife get taken. Like, I understand why women have this view that they've been oppressed. It's like, no, before Christianity, women were just like traded off for things. It's like, all right, we'll go into this town, just say you're my sister so that they don't kill me. And now she's getting passed around the town, you know. And that happens not just with Abraham, it happens with Jacob as well. With it, like he does the same thing. It's so nuts how they treat women in the old testament before Christianity. Then Christianity comes, and so much of this plays into Our Lady, like the understanding of Our Lady being the crown of creation elevates woman to a dignity that is equal to man. This doesn't exist before Christianity, it doesn't exist before Paul's writings. Paul putting on the slave masters, telling them, you actually can't just go and rape your slaves, like there's a bodily sacrality to your slave because of the resurrection. Because Christ is risen from the dead, all of our bodies are sacred and holy. And actually, marriage is a reflection of the church, and like this theology is extremely deep. And if it wasn't for Christianity, raising the dignity of women to the same to the same dignity as man, like this is if you read the old testament, you actually see how women were just dealt with, and not just that, you can see the conniving uh the like you almost understand how there can be trickery in the way like Jews see things because even Jacob, right, he's dealing with his his father in his father-in-law now, and he wants to leave. And the father-in-law is like, no, don't leave, don't leave. And he's like, Okay, well, I'll tell you what, I'll stay, but you have to let me start keeping the some of the goats and sheep, but I'll only keep the ones with spots. Like, you can keep all the pure white ones, but I get the ones with spots. And his father-in-law's like, okay, fair deal. Jacob then breeds all the ones with spots to be like really good, and he he lets all the white ones just like kind of shrivel away. So he like does this trickery to make his flock way better. It's like, and he deals with his father-in-law in a very devious way. It's it's really interesting how it's like he makes this covenant with him and he makes a deal with them, and then he does all this shady stuff on the side, and then God still kind of raises Jacob up and he like makes Jacob into Israel. He's like, You are now Israel, and then Israel has these 12 sons, and it's this story don't forget that yeah, yeah, in what you're saying, Jacob is the Gentiles. Jacob is because he's the second born, right? Esau would have been the story of the older brother not getting the birthright, is the theme throughout Genesis throughout the entire book, and it's it's it goes from Cain and Abel, it goes to Isaac and Ishmael, like Ishmael is the firstborn, and it goes to Isaac instead, right? And then Isaac born illegitimately, well, right, because it was the concubine's child, but it's still the firstborn, and it goes to Isaac the secondborn. Then Isaac um has Jacob and Esau, and Esau's firstborn, Isaac. Uh Jacob is holding on to his heel as he's coming out. But the blessing that that Isaac gives him is like, you're you will rule over your brother, and your brother will hate you. So, but there's this beautiful reunification of Jacob and Esau. So after after Jacob spends all this time with his father-in-law, he finally does leave and goes back to the land of his fathers. And when he goes, he sends an emissary to go meet Esau, and he's like, Tell my lord I have gifts for him, and just like he's just praying, his brother doesn't want to kill him. And then when he sees his brother, Esau rejoices that he's back, and they have this beautiful reunification. So, like, there is something very important about that reunification at the end, and the same thing happens with Jacob's kids. Who Jacob becomes Israel, and then he has 12 sons, and the youngest is Joseph, and Joseph is it's Rebecca, it's not it's not Rachel. Rachel is Rachel is Isaac and I'm I'm sorry, Rachel is Isaac's wife. Jacob marries Rebecca and her sister, but Rebecca is barren for her for like most of their life, and he has Jacob winds up having kids with the sister and then two concubines, and then he has one kid with with Rebecca.

SPEAKER_04: 43:26

So Rachel is the wife of Jacob.

SPEAKER_02: 43:29

Rachel's Jacob's wife. So who's Rebecca? Rebecca's Isaac's wife. Yeah, I just read it today, too. This is crazy. Yes.

SPEAKER_04: 43:42

Uh yes, Rebecca is Isaac's wife.

SPEAKER_02: 43:45

Isaac's wife. I'm getting Rebecca and Rachel mixed up. I'm Catholic, guys. I'm not even supposed to know my Bible. What do you want from me? I'm not supposed to be reading my Bible. I'm gonna get in trouble for this. So all right, so so Rachel has one kid, and that's Joseph. And because it's Rachel's only kid, Jacob loves him the most. The brothers are so jealous. The father makes him this beautiful coat. That's Joseph and the amazing Technicolor Dream Coat on Broadway, if you guys remember. But the brothers are so jealous of Joseph that they go and they sell Joseph to the Ishmaelites, like to the descendants of Ishmael. He ends up getting sold to Potiphar, and then he winds up becoming like the prince of Egypt. There's a famine in Egypt. The brothers come back, and there's this beautiful reunion. But it's Judah, the brother Judah, who sells him to the Ishmaelites for 20 pieces of silver. Which, if you add inflation by the time Christ comes, it's 30 pieces of silver that Judas sells them.

SPEAKER_04: 44:49

If you add inflation until now, it's seven thousand dollars. Seven thousand dollars for proposed on X.

SPEAKER_02: 44:55

But it is it is this theme throughout the entire book, and it's like you will hear everybody talk about no, no, no, there's gonna be this beautiful conversion of the Jews at the end. There is, there absolutely is, but we're not at that time yet. We're at the time where Esau wants to kill his brother, we're at the time where Cain kills Abel, we're at the time in the story where his brothers sell him into slavery, like that's just the point in the story we're at. But we will come to a point in the story where there's going to be a unif a reunification of the brothers. And I'm I'm gonna I'm going to go through the entire old testament. I'm just I just got through the book of Genesis in like three days it took me. So it's uh it's just that we're constantly talking about this theme, and it's one that if if you if you're not looking for it, you don't see it, but then once you see it, it's the entire theme of how the birthright's supposed to go to the firstborn, and it's and it's go and it's Christ and Adam, too. Like Christ is the new Adam because Adam was supposed to be in the garden and and live a life in the presence of God, but Christ has to come and He's the and He's the second one. I mean, he's really you only begotten Son, but it's still He's the new Adam, right? And it's that theme throughout the entire thing, and then it gets same thing with Eve and the new Eve, yeah. So it's I don't know, it's an important theme that runs throughout the old testament. So and I and I don't I don't remember how it plays out after you get out of Genesis, but I'm gonna get through all that.

SPEAKER_04: 46:32

Well, um Aaron and Moses are brothers, right?

SPEAKER_02: 46:37

And Aaron's the older brother, and yet, yeah, Aaron's the older brother, but God talks to Moses, God talks to Moses, he does make Aaron a priest, but he also gives Ishmael a blessing, like that there and Moses and Aaron are separated, and then they do get this unification when Moses comes back. So that's in the Exodus. Um then you have Deuteronomy's kind of like a recap, right? Yeah, then Joshua, right? So uh Moses doesn't get to go into the promised land, but Joshua does, and Joshua is Yeshua, like Jesus is Joshua, that's the same name. So Joshua takes a brush and gray. I mean, it is though, like I know the name Joshua is Jesus, right? I know. Yes, I am talking about what is happening now. Like, this is this is why this this topic is um on everybody. Like, this is why this topic is actually kind of important. Um, and it's why everything everything in the news is about look, we're gonna have to play it. I wasn't going to. We're gonna have to play it. All right, go with uh Tucker on Ben. I don't know what you should let me go solo tonight. It would have been a good solo show. You didn't want to be here, you gotta be kidding me. It's not right. Oh, I'm just tired. I know, I know, but this topic is important, so let's let's let's do uh we got Tucker Carlson and Dave Smith, and there's a couple things from this that I thought were interesting.

SPEAKER_04: 48:18

I did just make the Chewbacca noise, but not as good as Stephen Garon from Catholic Comedy makes the chewbacca noise.

SPEAKER_02: 48:24

Kale wants to talk about this. Kale, I I want to talk about this with Kale. So Kale Kale Kale sees this from a different point of view than us, right? Um actually has Jewish ancestry. I I want to do another show with um with Gideon also, because I think this topic is actually very important.

SPEAKER_04: 48:45

Oh, can we just have a week without talking about the Jews?

SPEAKER_02: 48:49

Not when it's in the news constantly.

SPEAKER_04: 48:50

I mean, it's in the news, it's on your Twitter feed. It's a little different than the news. I mean, obviously, this this part.

SPEAKER_02: 48:58

It's in the news, Rob. It's like I understand. There is a there is a war in the Republican Party right now over this.

SPEAKER_04: 49:05

Good tear down, destroy it, screw them.

SPEAKER_02: 49:12

Okay, Jews in the news. Um, yeah, no, all right. Let's go with this.

SPEAKER_01: 49:17

Talented people. Uh, but Ben is like very afraid. That's and I think a lot of people, a lot of the neocons and neocon adjacent people believe this stuff. Like they believe that there's like a fourth Reich on the I know because I know a lot of them, and they text me, and like I can't be Alex Baronson, who's like a very fragile person, but like a good, you know, nice guy and very smart. And I've like promoted Baronson for oh my gosh, me too. For for real, you know, because I I I really agree. I thought he was brave, but at the same time, like a very fearful person, very fearful. And I know a lot of people like this, uh, who I really like and have always really liked. And they're texting me, like, I can't believe you're a Nazi, like, I'm gonna have to flee the United States. And Ben is like this. Ben fears that he's gonna get hurt. It's like I look at this and I'm like, I don't think I think Ben's fine. You know, it's like who's more likely to get hurt, me or Ben? You know, it's like not even really close. But but that doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_02: 50:12

He is in a lot of these. I want to play all three clips in a row because all three of these are very relevant. You don't want to talk about it. I I will after the Mark Levin clip, and then and then and then we'll play the last one because this is this is very much with the the things that we talked about with Maudsley, and the reason that that the Holocaust narrative as this myth-bearing load is actually like you think it's you think it's what they've done to us with that narrative, but what they've done to Jews with that narrative, like by by telling that story to them and making them think that if anybody talks about this topic, there's going to be another Holocaust. Like you see this, this is the reaction to Tucker even talking to Nick Puentes. Like, that's what this is about, is them thinking that anybody that says anything was another Holocaust.

SPEAKER_04: 51:13

That's been done with every pogrom, you know, the Jews have talked about forever. Right? I mean, like you know, you I mean, during the time of of the Bible, you have them talking, you know, all they talk about is the last time they were wronged by the Babylonians or by you know the uh by um the the Seleucids, then Rome, and then Rome again, and then the Holocaust is just the most recent one. But it's the one we're dealing with. It's the one we're dealing with now, yes. Very true. Okay, so you want the which one do you want? Just go to the Mark Levin one.

SPEAKER_01: 52:08

But I just want to say again, as they say these radical, really kind of crazy things, they convince themselves and they become dangerous. I'm just saying that and and also tormented. Really like really unhappy. Like, imagine. I mean, I talked to you know, Mark Levin. I talked to him right after Charlie was killed. I called Mark Levin and I called Ben and I said, I don't want to fight at all with you. I'm actually not obsessed with Israel. You clearly are, but I do think we agree on a lot of things, and like, let's not fight. I called them both, and I said that. And they were both nice to me about it, very nice, and then Amelie started attacking me again. Whatever, they can't help themselves. But but Levin did say something amazing to me. He's like, Everyone hates Jews, they're Jew haters everywhere, and I'm fighting the Jew haters. And it's like, I mean, I guess if you spend your life on Twitter, you run into a lot of Jew haters, but in in real life America, like, no, that's not actually most people are really nice, and there is no Nazi movement building in America. That's just fake. And if but he but I really think Levin believes that. And I think he had one of these like kind of crazy childhoods with like a screechy mother who just scared the shit out of him every day of his childhood or something like that. I mean, clearly, this guy's had a lot of like trauma in his personal life, but it almost doesn't matter the cause. He really believes he said it to me on the phone, Shapiro, too, and a lot of other good people who are not necessarily crazy are convinced that the Fourth Reich is rising. And that's bad for them as people because it torments them and makes them unhappy and alienates their wives and deforms their children, right? It's all bad, but it's also bad for America because panicked hysterical people are capable of doing you know things they wouldn't do if they weren't panicked and hysterical. So we we do need to like convince everybody the fourth Reich is not rising, settle down. I'm not a Nazi, I hate the Nazis. Let me tell you how I hate the Nazis and why that's what I wanted to talk about.

SPEAKER_02: 54:01

Like if this conversation continues and they really do perceive like this is getting more dangerous. Like, I worry about what their reaction is if they can't, if they're not successful in their canceling of Tucker and their canceling of Fuentes, like I worry what the next step is.

SPEAKER_04: 54:27

They will do something that causes uh that brings about yeah, the it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, is what it would end up being, I think.

SPEAKER_02: 54:41

Yeah, I think you're right. I think it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. Like, I think things get worse, and it's it's kind of strange because like Kale was talking about this today, like the like the strisand effect of telling people don't watch Nick is what's making people go and watch Nick. And I don't watch Tucker is making people go watch Tucker. Like there's five million plus views on that Tucker Nick interview.

SPEAKER_04: 55:08

17 17 million, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 55:12

On not just the YouTube one on all platforms, maybe, right? I think on Twitter, 17 million on Twitter. There's like over 5 million on YouTube, right?

SPEAKER_04: 55:22

Because all of all of Shapiro's fans were saying how Shapiro got to 24 million faster than they got to 17 million, or yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 55:30

I don't trust Twitter's views though. Like it that's like somebody just like stops on the like it doesn't mean people actually watched it, like what whereas YouTube people five million views on YouTube means like there were five million views on YouTube.

SPEAKER_04: 55:43

I I think they in a way they and uh not using they in the nebulous sort of conspiratorial sense. I'm saying people like uh Levin and Shapiro and such, um, they they want the the threat of Fuentes et al. to grow so that they can justify for their action, so that their hatred is justified. Because if if Fuentes is really canceled, right, and no one's listening to him, well then who cares about what Levin and Shapiro are saying? Levin and Shapiro need their they need there to be a thread.

SPEAKER_02: 56:25

It's interesting because before October 7th, like people weren't really talking about this. Like October 7th is what brought this all out in the mainstream conversation, like the but the the way this is all going down, it's like they're so used to being able to say somebody's anti-Semitic, and then get like a few people to endorse that idea, and then that person just gets shunned. And there's no way to like somebody somebody said I forgot who, but they were like, There used to be a time, like even with Pat Buchanan, like they accused Pat Buchanan of being an anti-Semite, and he was just like put out of the conversation. Tucker added to that, right? Um, Ben Shapiro put a tweet out uh talking about Ron Paul, and he was like, You're gripping that pen as you would the neck of a Jew, like Ron Paul, like what are you even talking about? Like, like what this is, but because they did that, like now when they say it about Nick, it has no sting, right? Like, there's just no there's no sting to it because they use that freaking card so much, so much. And now, when people are actually talking like they they used it when it wasn't necessary, and by constantly throwing that refrain out over and over. Now, people don't really care about the refrain so much, and there's no way to cancel people out of these conversations anymore. There's always going to be some platform where we're able to have these conversations, and people will follow a person they enjoy to whatever platform they're going on, so there's no way to actually shut that conversation down anymore. So I do see vitriol and animosity building against these two things, especially when you when you force people to kind of um self-select and move right to these these separate smaller platforms, you are you're causing them to be in an echo chamber, so you are causing them to become more extreme, you know.

SPEAKER_04: 58:37

So either they they really don't see that and are um just stupid, and you know, are and or they're doing it purposefully, you know, once again to drive more extremism. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 58:54

I don't know where this goes, man. I just I think I look, I think all of this just gets more and more amplified. What do you think happens in the Republican Party with this? Like, I I don't I think there is a major split in the Republican Party at this point. I don't know what happens. Like, do I have no faith that we will actually ever get an America First Party that actually takes care of this stuff? I don't see that happening, so I don't know. I don't know where this goes from here. But I really do want to have this conversation with Kale because I I spoke with Kale yesterday on the phone, and um like he made the point. Uh, I texted to you this morning, Rob. Kale was like, Okay, I watched an episode of Nick, and when Rob and I talk, you'll hear me go, you'll I'll say like a lot. I'll say, you know, I'll pause for a second to think. Nick will do a three hour stream of consciousness without a pause word and just flow and not. Think about what he's saying. He'll just come, he'll go on this rant for three hours straight and just nonstop have point after point, hammering down, hammering down. The kid is unbelievably talented. Like it's it's abnormal how talented he is when he has points to make. Um, so like even now, like I'm pausing to think about what I'm going to say next. Like he'll just he'll just flow on a topic. So it's but he's also got the the problem of all the times he's done those three-hour streams of consciousness where he'll just he'll be trying to make jokes and he'll say stuff, and then they're going back and clipping these crazy things that he said, which I mean, I have that gallows sense of humor. I have a very like I like irony in humor. Like, I think the cookie segment was kind of funny, you know. Like, I'm not, I'm not shocked by it. The thing that the only thing Nick has said that kind of was I was like, that was just stupid, was when he said he liked Stalin. Because Stalin was so reprehensible, like what he did to Catholics. If you ever go back and listen to Daryl Cooper's anti-humans episode, he talks about what Stalin did to the Catholics in Russia to okay. So these these priests would still have hope, even in this desolate situation where they would have hope in Christ, right? So they were trying to make the thing those Catholics were using for their hope and make them despise it. So they would make priests consecrate feces and eat it, they would make them have these orgies and dress one of the people up as the blessed mother. The thing that they looked to for their hope wound up became becoming the the point of their torture.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:49

I mean, not to not to defend Joseph Stalin here. A lot of that was done prior to Stalin, um more in the the the Lenin era by before Stalin comes to power. Yeah, I mean, so I mean Stalin was no Christian, you know. That that's that's obvious. He was he was an Orthodox seminarian for a while actually growing up, but um that was more that was more the the the Trotsky sort of yeah, yeah, that wasn't so much Stalin, but um yeah, I I think people misunderstand what Nick was saying about the whole Stalin thing, not once again, not to defend Stalin or even well that I'm glad we're talking about this because I don't know I I only know what I know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:39

So you're like if you're like if you're gonna give a different perspective on it and defend it, I'd want you to.

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For those of you who listen to to Nick on Tucker, which is really the only longer than five-minute clip I've ever seen of the guy, right? He talks about how his goal was to um to eventually you know take over the the conservative institutions, right? That he saw as being so corrupted. Um and if you look at at Stalin, you have you know, with the Russian Revolution, you have Lenin, uh, and Lenin's right hand right hand man, Trotsky. Stalin was kind of there in the mix. You know, they were really the top three. But Lenin and Trotsky both wanted a much more international communist movement. They wanted Russia, it was the first step in a worldwide you know revolution of the proletariat against the you know bourgeois bourgeoisie. Um they didn't want communism to be Russian, it was just the first step. And Trotsky especially saw a worldwide revolution. Stalin saw the opposite. He wanted to use communism to strengthen Russia and the Soviet Union in a not necessarily in a nationalistic sort of way, at least not initially, but especially after World War II started. You know, he's they he saw nationalism, Russian nationalism, as the what only way to combat you know Germany. So obviously he was still communist, he wasn't, you know, he did planned economy, all of that sort of stuff. But he instead of he started using power to to build these national institutions up, and he was incredibly effective at it. I mean, you know, Russia Rob is awake.

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You bring up Russian history and Rob parks right up.

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I do, I do prior to the Russian Revolution, Russia was largely backwards. I mean, they serfdom had just been abolished shortly before, and serfdom was not the same way like medieval feudalism was in Western Europe, it was way harsher. Um, Russia had very few railroads, they really had no industrial centers, it was an agrarian peasant society prior to the Russian Revolution, and it didn't change much until from then until Stalin. Stalin turned Russia into an industrial powerhouse through very destructive um five-year plans. Don't get me wrong, they killed millions of people, you know, many people starved, so on and so forth. But it was effective and it created a nation that could hold their own against Germany. Um Nick sees all that effectiveness, and that's what he says he um he admires. Stalin's will to power, you know, Stalin's will to do what he needs to do, not that he admires the you know, his communist politics or his anti-Christian, you know, worldview or anything like that.

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So somebody said um something about Hitler.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:53

I wanna I wanna find it. Uh the heck did it go? Uh shoot.

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Uh he said something like like we were we were just saying Stalin was bad, what about Hitler or something like that? And it's like the thing is if you just go through the um the Darryl Cooper um world world war two preamble, like when you're going through the preamble where he just kind of lays out what he's going to talk about, and he starts going through what the Jewish propaganda was before World War II started. And that they were writing in newspapers that they were going to use eugenics to wipe out the German population, right? They were going to um give every man a vasectomy and tie every woman's tubes, and they were going to do it in a bloodless manner, but they were going to they the after World War I they felt that Germans had to go. Now they printed this in like the New York Times, and Goebbels basically grabs it and uses it as propaganda saying, look, your lives are on the line, like they are trying to wipe Germany out. Like there's there's a lot that goes into that story that we're not even allowed to discuss or talk about. It's just uh it's one of those myth-bearing stories where you're not allowed to question any of it. So when you start learning the history of it, and that if you try to see it from where the German's point of view was, you just look like a bad guy, like you just look like you're evil and you're an anti-Semite. But no, if you if you actually go into any war or any like every every war that starts, the people who are fighting think they are the good guy in that war. So, you know, we have this idea that America, the you know, the you were we it was the axis of evil and and the allies fighting, like there was no good and bad guys like that when you really start seeing Versailles.

SPEAKER_04: 1:07:59

It was um it was America and Great Britain that created really all the bad guys of World War II. You have the the the unequal and unfair peace treaty of Versailles that that takes Germany, which was you know the the most industrialized um nation in Europe and basically you know kicks it to the girt dirt and stomps on it for for years under the the ineffective Weimar Republic. You know, we you gotta understand America and Great Britain were literally um starving Germany throughout the peace process, right? When they when they signed the armistice on November 11th, 1918, the British warships didn't leave the coast of Germany. No, they stayed there and not a not an ounce of food got in that country while we were coming up with the the Treaty of Versailles. I mean, how screwed up is that? How many thousands and thousands of children starved to death while we were making Germany sign uh you know more or less an unconditional surrender for a war that was started by well really by by Serbia in Russia? So I mean we we created the conditions you know of that caused an entire people to to hate themselves, to to feel wronged, which you know led to Nazi Germany at the same time, you know, the we left Russia off to hang during World War I, and then to the point where Germany can send Lenin over to cause the Russian Revolution, and we don't provide nearly enough assistance to help them fight the communists throughout the Russian Civil War. So there we go ahead and create the you know the Soviet Union. I mean, we were literally created the the two the you know the two big enemies of the 20th century, yeah, Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:09:57

And then when you also understand how, like in in in a modern context, to to see how Israel has an ethno-state, they understand the importance of identity and having an identitarian state, and they understand the point of nationalism, but we're not allowed to have that. And the reason we're not allowed to have that is because when Germany started seeing like taking pride in their nation and seeing themselves as an as a as a people and going, okay, we have to try to figure out how to fix something because after World War I, after that Treaty of Versailles, they're destitute, their currency is complete garbage. There, and Hitler comes in and he's like, We need to take pride in ourselves, we're Germans, and we need to start rooting out the usury, and we have to get rid of the pornography, and we have to he starts getting these people to look at their own nation and want to fix it. It's it's the scariest thing to the older brother because if like if you're if you have an ethnostate and you take pride in your state, then you as long as we're all fighting with each other, like so much of the modern politics, the stupid stuff with the woke stuff and the trans stuff, is to keep us all at war with one another so we don't see the things that are actually causing the crisis in this country. And the thing is, at this moment, what you're starting to get is people talking about the actual crisis in this country and the roots of it and the problems of it, and that freaks them out because if you really start looking at where the like me and Rob were talking about the other day with the way that this country spends money, we're we're barely able to pay the interest on the national debt right now. Like the interest on the national debt is bigger than our budget. We went up like a trillion dollars in three weeks or something. Like it's just it's climbing at such an astronomical rate at this point that our money is going to be worthless soon. And once you get to the point where your money's worthless, like that that's what when once people start starving, that's why the EBT thing was such a dangerous thing. Because once people stop getting food, like that's when violence starts occurring. As long as we're all fighting about these stupid issues and we're fighting over abortion and we're fighting over men and women's sports, you're not looking at the grand picture of what is happening in our country. And what's happening in our country is the next generation cannot afford housing, nobody can get a job to sustain to sustain a family anymore. We're like the country is falling apart financially, more like we're completely demoralized. You don't don't know who your neighbor is anymore. It it's all coming apart at the seams right now. And these people actually talking about these issues is scaring the hell out of those people because those people have a lot to do with the way modern society is formed. So that's why that's why this is all getting so contentious, and I'm worried about where it goes.

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Because I mean, while obviously uh being proud of your your nation, your country, and and wanting it to succeed and and putting it before others is all right and good. Like um, you know, the the the down the big downside of of the Nazi movement, you know, even prior to World War II even starting, was was their almost um idolization uh of the nation, of the state. You know, that's what um that's what the Pope came out against in um mit Brennander's sword was you know the the idolization of the of the nation and state, you know, to a to a place that puts it over what you know nature would put it. So I mean they're definitely definitely can go too too far, and that's what is going to happen. Um I I fear if if people like like Ben and Levin continue to push what they're pushing, they're gonna get what they fear.

SPEAKER_02: 1:14:12

Yeah, it's it is a concern, man. Like that that this this whole Republican and Jewish coalition they came out with the other day is is worrisome. Just because of the rhetoric they're saying, like it's just they're they're making this 10,000 times worse. They're just making it 10,000 times worse. They'd be better off just ignoring it and just going on about like they're making this thing so much worse. Just let people let people talk about stuff and stop freaking out about it. That is what's making it so crazy.

SPEAKER_04: 1:14:47

And every time they they they bring it up, they lose another not small percentage of Gen Z men.

SPEAKER_02: 1:14:56

Yeah, I more than just Gen Z men, I think a lot of people are still like because I I was talking to I was talking to guys at work about this. I'm like, I'm like, what like what are your impressions? Like, I don't I just don't guys that would never have thought about this, guys that were basically neocons up until the past year or so, like they're all starting to look at this whole situation differently, and it's because something that was in some kind of like a niche corner of the internet is now in the mainstream conversation because everybody's freaking out about a conversation talk like that conversation talk I had with Nick would have just been a blip, like it wouldn't have been that big of a deal if the reaction to it wasn't the conversation itself was I'm not gonna say boring because I I like I said it was the really the only time I've ever watched more than five minutes of of Nick, so it was interesting to me in that sense, but um what they actually talked about was rather boring, was you know, it was it was a nothing burger.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:48

Did you see Theo from Two Two Cities critique of it? I saw him, yeah, but I I don't recall what it was.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:57

He he was like, Everybody's making such a big deal out of this. Nick blew a great opportunity to talk about the synagogue and all this stuff, and I'm like, that that just wasn't going to happen. Like, that's not I don't it just wasn't going to happen, but what it did was it got people to go and look at Nick's other stuff, and then you go look at some of Nick's other stuff, and Nick gets into like he wasn't gonna do that on Tucker's show, but right all right, we're gonna jump over to locals. We'll uh we'll talk about some stuff over there.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:26

What what can we talk about on locals? Yeah, I got some stuff.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:29

Don't worry, we always got stuff we can talk about on locals. Okay, we'll do we'll do a short local show.

SPEAKER_03: 1:16:34

Um let me think. Do we have anything for locals?

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We got something. We always got something. I don't know, you want to call it a rap? We can rap it. Oh, I know what I want to talk about. Abby Johnson. I want to talk about Abby Johnson.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:52

We could also talk about what Lila said about uh Lila and Abby Johnson.

SPEAKER_02: 1:16:57

The two of them. I I definitely want to talk about that because we'll do it over there. We'll do it over there because I don't I don't want to I don't want to start a war with everybody yet, but yet yet it's gonna come to it. Who's everybody?

SPEAKER_04: 1:17:17

Well the thing is um because you know me, I'm always up for a good war with everyone.

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Should we do it here? You want to just do it here? You want to do it here when we'll skip locals tonight? We can do it here.

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No, the locals people always get pissed when we do that. Right.

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All right, let's do locals because I got a lot to say on it.

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Give me a minute. Everybody saying do it here. Go get a local subscribe. How do you guys like this show when you don't support us there?

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Honestly, honestly, your inability to pay five bucks to support us is a little you know what.

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Just come to locals, guys. It's like, come on. I don't get it. You guys like our show. We're probably like the the the last show standing out here.

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It would have cost you guys 10 bucks a month for us.

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Oh, I didn't know that. For the price of a cup of coffee, you can support a podcast.

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Okay, I I did throw the link now in in the live chat.

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Just just guys, it's five bucks a month.

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Oh, by the way, we forgot to talk about our sponsor.

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The Christ the King sale is over, yes.

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A uh it's a wine, it's a well, it's a winery and family farm.

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I know, but what do you like when you're going out not just to the wine? Vineyard, there you go. It's a vineyard. I don't know why I couldn't think of that. I'm tired, guys. Uh, yes, they are a uh uh a winery, vineyard, family farm, but they're an amazing Catholic family that supports us. They let us talk about the most controversial things and they still love us. Um, we are, I don't know if they're gonna stay with us throughout the whole year, but we have some other sponsorships coming. You know what else we got? Cameron O'Hearn on Thursday. I'm telling you guys, do not miss that show because we are going to make it very, very uncomfortable for Cameron. He has no idea, but we're going to put his feet to the fire and ask him why we were not in episode three.

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You know, apart from the reason of only having 1200 subscribers at that point.

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He might not have known, but he knows now.

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No, he's not gonna know. He don't watch our show. He don't watch us, he doesn't watch our show. He's gonna be totally surprised. We're gonna hold his feet to the fire. We want to know why we weren't on episode three and why they keep stealing all our show ideas. It's gonna be a fun show. So definitely check us out Thursday.

SPEAKER_04: 1:20:35

And if you guys are not I just want to know why produce why well that producer Jake. Not not producer Jake, Joe McClain's producer, Jake, but producer Jake from Mass of the Ages, why he doesn't watch us anymore. That's a good question.

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Is he still with Mass of the Ages? Did he die? I don't know, but I want to talk about Abby Johnson. So if you guys want to if you guys want to hear us talk about Abby Johnson, come come come uh come check us out.

SPEAKER_04: 1:21:00

Okay, I'm gonna start cutting these here. So goodbye, everyone.

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I wish they had a better way of doing this. Yeah, you should be able to cut them all at once.

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Or something, yeah.

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I mean, you usually put an outro song or something, but I know, but um so Abby Johnson. Um okay, so do you have the tweet I put in there? I put a tweet in there from Abby Johnson.

SPEAKER_04: 1:21:36

Yeah, yes.

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Okay, so uh let me see if I can follow mine back. Oh shoot, I lost it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:21:46

All right, so it's interesting, it's been interesting to see how many Christian men hate watching a Christian woman speak the truth, and then um uh so somebody, if you scroll down a little, somebody said the reason that we are fed up with women telling us how to be a man, the feminization of society has all but killed off manhood. Let us take care of this ourselves. We don't need a woman telling us what it means to be a man. I see women giving clear instructions based on biblical truth. It shouldn't matter who is giving the instruction. If you are secure in your manhood, you would simply be thankful that the word of God is being spoken. Okay.

SPEAKER_04: 1:22:24

First off, it's funny how she's defending someone who isn't even a member of the Christian church, but whatever.

SPEAKER_02: 1:22:30

So um, somebody, if you actually click on that one that she just said, somebody said you're a feminist. She goes, There it is, the age old you must be insecure, feminist talking point. You actually made a decent argument in the first two sentences and then immediately reverted back to factory setting. Make no mistake, you are simply feminist light. What a joke. And she says, I'm anti-feminist. Okay, so she is a feminist, like hardcore feminist, hardcore feminist. The thing is, I don't think I don't know if most women understand how indoctrinated they are by feminism. Like they they clearly don't. They think as long as they think that there shouldn't be men in women's sports, and that you know, or even if they hold the position, I guarantee she thinks there should be oh, men in women's sports, not men into women's sports. But the even these Christian women who are like, I respect my husband, like, no, you don't, first off, like, um, all right, so the women who watch our show, I'm going to tell you now, like, do not argue with men online. Like, don't argue with men online. It's there's nothing good that comes from it. There's absolutely no reason to argue with men online.

SPEAKER_04: 1:23:43

Like, never comes off well.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:44

Never never comes off well. Like, it's just just like Molly's very good at this, she'll just kind of like ignore, ignore, you know, she she won't get caught up in the in the in the tediousness of arguing with men. Like, it just it's just stupid to argue with strange men that aren't your husband online.

SPEAKER_04: 1:24:01

I I would especially argue if you're a a woman who's a Protestant convert, who's the producer for a Protestant convert who talks about stuff that comes from like the Bethel school of Protestantism. Well, that's why you argue. You well, I'm saying, yeah, you shouldn't argue with a man who happens to be a Dominican priest and roasts you over and over and over for three days.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:24

It just makes you look I was good.

SPEAKER_04: 1:24:27

I was tempted to see if we could get him on. I've thought about it as well, too. It so especially because in in that whole diatribe, he mentions how he's actually kind of charismatic adjacent, like he doesn't disagree with a lot of like that's what Tana didn't want to charism. Really? See, that made it more interesting to me.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:48

I maybe maybe not like I you never know what you're gonna get with these, but the all right. So the thing is women, women, especially these Christian women who think they're leaders in the pro-life movement or leaders in something, like they're these great Christian leaders, and they have no issue telling men you need to be more Christ-like, but they all have a problem acting Mary-like. Yes, like all of them have a very big problem acting Mary-like. They none of them seem to be able to see a situation where a man is doing something that they don't agree with without them going, I need to correct this, instead of going pondering these things in your heart. Ponder these things in your heart, keep quiet. It's not worth having a pissing match online where you're fighting with some anonymous man online. Like there's such a lack of self-awareness of where we are in this cultural moment by these women, they don't seem to grasp what is happening right now. They think they're going because Abby's saying only an insecure man has a problem with a woman preaching biblical truth. No, no, no, no. Let me explain something to you, Abby. Only an insecure man won't put you in your place and tell you to shut up. Like, that's the reality of it. Like a man that has testosterone, a man that is like a man doesn't want to hear you telling him how you're not being correct. Like, shut up, shut up. Nobody cares what you think. Just be quiet, go home, and tend to your children. Why are you fighting? Why are you why is it your job to correct men? Like, they all do this, they all think it's their duty, like their duty to put men in their place. Like, just shut up. Let let let men handle their own. Like, we're working on young men trying to get them out of some of these bad tendencies, but it's it's in it's a thousand times more difficult when the women who are supposed to be Christian women act like men. Yeah, they're they are hurting their cause, hurting your cause incredibly badly.

SPEAKER_04: 1:27:08

Like, I'm just like Ben Shapiro and Mark Clevin.

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It's the same thing.

SPEAKER_04: 1:27:13

Because it's really the it's the same audience, right? And what I mean by that is like the same target, I mean the same target, young men.

SPEAKER_02: 1:27:24

Like, let us work on helping these young men, but the more the problem is the trad wife thing is a LARP. There are no trad women or trad trad wives. The trad wife thing is a LARP, like there are no trad wives because all the ones who are saying they're trad wives are out there acting like men.

SPEAKER_04: 1:27:43

Well, it's same reason why there really is no like it at some level, all of being a trad is a LARP in some sense, right? Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02: 1:27:53

You go with it, but but even the these Christian women, like I don't I have no problem with Christian women speaking to other women, like that like women do need to help each other. Like my my you know, my wife's always looking for something to listen to, and she's like, Lila Rose. I don't want to listen to we should listen to religious hippie, like she needs something to listen to, you know. It's like so I I get that, but it's more like when these women start lecturing men, like stop telling men what it's Christ like, stop telling men, none of them hold the same standard for themselves, none of them, it's not their duty to correct men, it's just not so Abby Abby and Lila, especially. Man, it's that it's that Protestant convert coming into the church and then going around telling all the men you're not acting, you're not acting Christ-like. Your version of Christ is that Jonathan Roomy chosen Jesus, like that is the version of Jesus they have in their mind, and this is a problem throughout the entire church. And the problem is because your your idea of men are the priests that you're seeing in mod in the modern church too. Like these priests who are letting women run their parishes, they're not ever none of them are taking a stand and say, No, we're not doing this, it's not happening. I don't care if the women are upset. Every one of these men are afraid to tell women to stop. Like Abby's husband should be telling her, get off the internet. Like, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_04: 1:29:32

Yeah, the fact that with all these women, we know their names, we need for them all the time, but don't know their husband names, don't hear from their husbands. That's kind of a red flag. It's weird. It is the fact that Lila won't even publicly say her husband's last name.

SPEAKER_02: 1:29:51

Does Abby did Abby take her husband's last name? No idea, honestly. Abby Johnson. I don't know. She's always been Abby Johnson.

SPEAKER_04: 1:30:01

Mrs.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:02

Casey brings up a good point. Candace's husband, too. Same thing. It's a it's a weird thing where these men just kind of like their wives are out there. Like, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04: 1:30:15

Oh, Abby's husband's a stay-at-home dad.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:18

Of course he is. So is Lila's husband. Lila's husband's a stay-at-home dad too. Look, when you're making 400 grand a year, you know, how do you justify? Well, I'll go, I'm gonna go to work. Like, there's nothing traditional about these women. Yeah, nothing at all. Like, nothing at all. And freaking Lila, man. Like the thing is, I didn't want to I didn't want to like start this on YouTube because I don't want to like just go to war with all the Christian women out there. Like, I'm not trying to do that, but like Oh, come on, it'd be fun. Well, also the thing is they hate us too much. I never want to talk to these women. It's not like I want them on my show. Like, I don't care. I don't ever want to be in the Catholic hen house. Like, I don't want to be in the longhouse at all. And and to me, the Catholic Longhouse is these men who insist on associating with these women because they want the audience of these. Like, I don't care. I don't want Abby Johnson's audience. I don't want Lila Rose's audience. I don't want them at all. So I don't care. I don't care what they think of me. Being a stay-at-home dad is NFP. Oh, Abby's husband works as a gym teacher. Okay. Look, I met Abby at the Catholic uh the at the pre-conference. I mean, I didn't really like meet her, meet her. Like, I just like said hello to her. She's perfectly nice, perfectly nice woman. But like, I don't know, man. I don't I don't know. Like, I have I don't have a problem with her like coaching women in like I'm not I don't have a problem with women in the pro-life movement. I just don't think they should be leading it.

SPEAKER_04: 1:31:57

No, I don't think they should be they should be on the front lines trying to convince women not to do it.

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Yeah, I don't I don't I don't I think women do hold a very important place in the pro-life movement, but I just don't like that it's totally run by women to the point where it's like the male, it's like the girl older boy thing at this point where men don't even want to get involved with the pro-life movement because this is a bunch of broads running it. 100%. Who the hell wants to deal with that? I gotta go there and listen to this freaking broad clucking telling everybody what to do. Like, stop it. I don't need that. Scott, I don't let my wife leave the house. My ex is mostly lewd free because I hit don't show on a lot of accounts. Niago got the hint. Yeah, I'll tell you, Rob and I were talking about this the other day when we were gonna do uh video roulette. Like, like I never like I people that say, like, you gotta get porn off of like I don't come across. The thing is, you will see like something like the Sydney Sweeney thing that came across everybody's thing because that was like you like I do I do follow some secular news accounts and like it was on those, but like I don't ever come across content if there weren't certain Catholic influers asking people to show them it, but whatever. I gotta say that that meme is pretty good. You yeah, it's pretty close. That meme is pretty good, it's not bad. No, I know it is, but it's not like I people like when I see like Elon get torn off at like I don't come across that if you like the algorithm actually does the the algorithm just feeds me Jews and feeds you what you want it to feed you, and it just shows me innocent white people getting beat up by black people and Jews. That's all I see on my XP.

SPEAKER_04: 1:33:47

Yeah, multiple multiple people are saying Patrick Coffin is the reason they ended up seeing the Sydney Sweeney pick. Um, I don't know what's going on with Coffin. I have and today he was the reason a lot of people saw another random woman's ass.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:02

Yeah, listen, I um I don't I don't know. I don't know what's going on with him, but um yeah, I don't know.

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I don't know. What am I gonna say? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:18

You guys see it. Uh you what your your algorithm is a window into your soul. Um, yes, but yes and no, because this conversation about the Jews is like everywhere now. It's not just like I I'm gonna mute the word Jew and I'm gonna see how my algorithm changes.

SPEAKER_04: 1:34:37

Watch 10 minutes or not an hour after that. Anthony's gonna be like, hey guys, is Twitter down? There's nothing on Twitter. Yeah, what happened the whole thing? What happened?

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:47

Mosey says I have the same XP as Anthony. Um, I said I I have no problem with women being a part of the pro-life industry, I don't want them running it.

SPEAKER_04: 1:34:59

First of all, because you've always been pro-life industry, that's not good.

SPEAKER_02: 1:35:04

Well, the thing is, what Lila has done is she has like she's did you see the the gala that she put together? Like she put that gala together and she's got Nala next to her, and all these women scantily clad in their dresses, acting like floozies. It's like this is so that they can hobnob with the big donors, like that's the pro-life movement. Lila's not out on the front lines preventing abortion, she's doing a podcast, so she has this huge um this huge nonprofit where she generates millions of dollars, pumps those millions of dollars into her podcast, and then jet gets takes a$400,000 salary from her from her nonprofit, and then who knows if she's taking a profit from her podcast. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04: 1:35:50

I think the pot so the podcast is a product of that non-profit. So it's part its revenue, I would imagine, is included in the revenue stream of the non-profit.

SPEAKER_02: 1:36:03

I don't know, but the whole thing is a scam because she the incentive is if they actually did get rid of abortion, she no longer needs to exist. So, like the incentive is actually backwards, like like she all she's doing is producing a podcast. Now, most people produce a podcast on their own, get it together, it generates profit, and and they're able to sustain something from it. She has a non-profit that just pumps into her podcast.

SPEAKER_04: 1:36:29

The profits from her podcast don't go to um lobbying politicians. Matter of fact, it's according to their 990s, the amount of money they spend on lobbying or on legislative action is like a tenth of that that they spend on podcast production.

SPEAKER_02: 1:36:49

And there's no money going to women's crisis pregnancy center, nothing, right? Nothing like that. Nothing like that. She's not doing anything. She runs a nonprofit to make her famous. That is essentially what she does. And she doesn't just put out pro-life programming, she puts out Protestant. Charismatic insanity is what she does. So I don't I don't get the Lila Griff. And now she's and now she's like uh going full on Zionist, like completely full-on Zionist. She's out now, she's she's gonna speak out against Nick Fuentes now. Because she's another one. Look, yeah, so the New York Times taking glamour shots of a self-proclaimed admirer of Adolf Hitler as a possible successor to Charlie Kirk, while they religiously avoided featuring Charlie Kirk during his life as peak leftist propaganda, adds insult to injury that Charlie intentionally shunned the Hitler admirer. Shut up. Shut up. Where is her husband? Get her off the internet.

SPEAKER_04: 1:38:00

I mean, she would know about glamour shots.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:05

I I don't know. I like this is the stuff that turns men oh man. It just makes them not. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what you you single guys are gonna do because the role models these women have are not good.

SPEAKER_04: 1:38:26

I would bet Daily Wire buys her in a year.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:32

I don't I don't know because that'll interfere with her nonprofit.

SPEAKER_04: 1:38:36

I would bet they buy the podcast.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:39

It's possible.

unknown: 1:38:42

It's possible.

SPEAKER_04: 1:38:42

Or it comes up with some sort of syndication deal, right? Where it's on the Daily Wire, and then whatever revenue screen, you know. I I I see something like that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:52

She'll be there, she'll be there. I'm hearing rumors that trends going there.

SPEAKER_04: 1:38:59

Wouldn't it surprise me?

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:01

It's just a rumor at this point. I don't know, but I'm hearing Trent's going there. All this stuff. Zoramamdani projected to be the next mayor of New York City.

SPEAKER_04: 1:39:18

Let's go they're saying it. The Dems are won every election.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:24

Even Jersey?

SPEAKER_04: 1:39:26

That's what that's what people are saying.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:29

Wow. All that all that hype for nothing. Man, just just whatever.

SPEAKER_04: 1:39:40

Mostly saying, I don't understand what Lila's audience is. My wife and I both Gen Z find her intolerable. Her audience is is evangelicals.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:51

Evangelical Gen X older. Yeah, millennial and older. That's the thing. All of these shows, um, they all have boomer gen X audiences. All of them. Um the only Catholic podcasts I think that have younger audiences are us, Wagner, and maybe Gordon. But I think all the other shows are boomer audiences. Like even Joe McClain was telling me, like, anytime he talks about Israel, his boss gets flooded with complaints. Flooded with complaints. So that means his audience is largely older. Yeah. Um, because that's a generational thing. Like the young, like our our audience, like I know we talk about Israel a lot lately. Um, but it's kind of what Gen Z and millennials are talking about right now. And it always you know, it's just in the news constantly. It's hard to not talk about. It's like I usually like surf Twitter to find things to talk about. It's like that's all I'm seeing, and I'm like, I don't want to talk about this again tonight. Holy cow. Uh I thought the massy thing would kind of get us off that, but you had absolutely no interest in it. I thought it would be a fun fourth, but you're just like, nope, not I'm not done tonight.

SPEAKER_04: 1:41:21

What more could we have said about it?

SPEAKER_02: 1:41:23

I need a foil, Rob. I need I need a foil to bounce off, or you killed me with that segment. I just got no, I was gonna say people saying uh the shift to going pro calling it the pro-life movement was feminist. Like, yeah, we need a new messaging for everything, like we need a whole new messaging, and we I don't know, man. Everything has to be revamped. It's like the stuff that worked 20 years ago, 15 years ago, just isn't working anymore. There's a reason that young guys watch us and they're not watching any of the other shows. Like it's something new is needed. I don't know. I'm I'm always trying to figure out where like where to take the show. I'm always trying to think about what we're gonna do next because I don't I don't know. I think I think we might have to do guests for a little while. Like this today's our four-year anniversary of the channel.

SPEAKER_04: 1:42:23

Or yes, your yeah, I mean I I consider March 1st.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:29

That's when you joined, right?

SPEAKER_04: 1:42:30

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:31

So but I started it like I had the when I popped open the the YouTube thing today, it it said happy, happy birthday.

SPEAKER_04: 1:42:38

Yeah, I saw that.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:38

So it's um I started the channel four years ago. Um and it's crazy how fast time goes, man. Like I was in my 30s when I started this. I was in my 30s when I started this show.

SPEAKER_03: 1:42:57

It's kind of nuts how time has gone by.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:00

Where are we at? Well, we how many we got 53,000. Um yeah, what what do you guys want us to do next? Should we just get some guests on and see what happens? Like, we got we got Cameron O'Hearn coming on Thursday, that'll be fine. I'm gonna be on with Stephen Cox and Catholic Esquire tomorrow on Stephen Cox's channel.

SPEAKER_04: 1:43:23

I I'll be honest, Stephen Cox acted like a little bit with Gideon online on Twitter.

SPEAKER_02: 1:43:30

Yeah, it was weird. I told him I don't know. Tell him what you believe, man up. Come on. I'm I am going. So the funny thing with Cox right now is all the SEDAs think he's a plant, and he's trying to get the Set A's to join R and R, like recognize and resist. So that whole show, I'm going to act like that's like I'm gonna be like Steven. You think we could you think we I think we're getting some of the set is to come R and R, bro. Like, I'm going to act like I'm a plant to get to get the SETA's to come over to recognize and resist, just to troll them because they're all insane. They are dude. Some of the sets are so out of their minds, man. Like clinical, not all of them, like there's a lot a lot that I like, but some of them are just so out of their minds, they're so easy to troll. Freaking, they they were calling Nosha Tate Nosha Abate the other day. Some of them are funny. Uh but I'm going in their delusions. I'm going to troll because his whole audience is basically sets now. So I'm just going to troll the sets that whole episode. But I'm going to go in. I'm not going to be, I'm not going to be like short-tempered like I was on the rundown. Like, I was just no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_04: 1:44:50

That was fun. I enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:44:52

I was just tired that night. Tomorrow I'm going to go in. I'm going to have some fun with it. I'm going to I'm going to make Steven's whole audience think that we have a plan. We have a plan to bring them all back into R. Um. What was what was the triple R initials? Me and Bobby were talking about Bobby. Are you in the chat? What was R, R and Resconize and Resist. What was the other one? I talked to Bobby about some stuff today. Oh, um, I want to plan a pilgrimage. Are you gonna be able to go?

SPEAKER_04: 1:45:33

Well it depends when and where.

SPEAKER_02: 1:45:35

I I'm thinking either Italy again, or I want to do like Fatima and Lords. I would I'd rather do Fatima, Fatima and Lords, yeah, and maybe Notre Dame or something. No. What about um what's that? What's that island? Um, it's like a uh it's a monastery that like that. I would want to do. I would want to do that. That and Lords.

SPEAKER_04: 1:46:05

This isn't like the these places are not close together, and they're not close enough to to to I know Fatima and Lourdes are though, right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:46:12

Because people that do pilgrimages usually do those three, those two.

SPEAKER_04: 1:46:15

Well, Lourdes is in France, right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:46:17

Yeah, but how far is Portugal?

SPEAKER_04: 1:46:19

Fatima's in Portugal, and then Saint Michel is on the other side of France, yeah. I mean, I to be fair, it's like the distance from me to you here, right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:46:31

It's not a short plane ride or something, right? Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04: 1:46:36

I've always wanted to go to Fatima ever since I was a little kid.

SPEAKER_02: 1:46:39

I just know it's still displayed with Rupnik art everywhere, and um, about everywhere we go, we would go is if we did Italy again, I would cut I would cut so many places out of the one I did last time, and I would add some different spots that we didn't do. Like I wouldn't go back to the Padre Pio shrine, it wasn't that great, but I would definitely want to spend an extra day in Orvieto. And uh there was just there was I I would I would so the the thing with the pilgrimage last time is there was so it was so jam-packed, you almost couldn't like soak in what you were doing, like it was like you had to just go, go, go, go, go, go. So you didn't get to like appreciate where you were and and even pray enough, you know. Like there were some places that were so beautiful, you just wanted to sit and kind of meditate on what you were looking at, but you always had somewhere else you had to be, and you just had to rush, you had to rush. Uh so they did two tours a day. You did one in the morning, you'd stop for lunch, and then you did one in the afternoon. And by the time you got back to the hotel, you were exhausted. I would just do one tour a day. One tour a day, maybe spend an extra day in each spot that was better, so you had a little more time. And to me, the time to hang out with everybody was so much like it was so much better of a part of the trip where I got to spend time with everybody and hang out and have a glass of wine and talk and hear everybody's stories. Like, that's what I would want to do.

SPEAKER_04: 1:48:13

So I think if you did Fatima, you could you could make the whole pilgrimage like on the Iberian Peninsula. You could do Fatima, you could do uh the Covidonga, right? You could do um Our Lady of the Pillars, right? Uh huh.

SPEAKER_02: 1:48:38

I'd have to look that up. I don't even know if that is.

SPEAKER_04: 1:48:41

That's when Our Lady appeared at St. James in Spain.

SPEAKER_03: 1:48:44

Okay.

SPEAKER_04: 1:48:45

I by located, she was still alive. Oh wow. It's the first Marian apparition. Um there's the original Guadalupe, right, is in Spain. Let me just say Spain's probably a lot cheaper than that. Bring up a map than Italy or France.

SPEAKER_03: 1:49:06

Yeah, it probably is.

SPEAKER_05: 1:49:08

Um Portugal.

SPEAKER_02: 1:49:21

Man, Portugal is really Spain. You should do if we're gonna do we'd be better off doing Portugal and maybe like um going to um some of some of some couple places in Spain.

SPEAKER_04: 1:49:36

Right, that's what that's what I was talking about. Yeah, no, yeah. You have um Santiago de Capostela in in Galicia. You have the Basilica of Our Lady of the Pillar in um Zaragoza, which is well, it's what Aragon is now called. You have Montserrat Monastery in Catalonia, the Cathedral of Oviedo, which um that's where the suderium of Oviedo is. Oh the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe in uh Extra Madura. You have the Sagrada Familia, which is that huge new wish cathedral, right? That they're still working on. Um the Holy Cove, uh the Holy Cave of Cavadanga, Toledo Cathedral, Cathedral of Valencia.

SPEAKER_02: 1:50:25

I know when people go to um when they do Fatima, they do Lourdes too. Like Lourdes is it's not that far. I mean, so maybe there's some spots you could stop on the way through Spain. I don't know. Maybe you could do Portugal and then work your way through Spain, hit a couple of cathedrals in Spain, and then eventually finish in Lourdes. We have to look it up. I don't know. There's plenty of people we could talk to about it, but I don't know. I'd I would want to do something, maybe maybe start thinking about a year out. Would you be able to get like yeah?

SPEAKER_04: 1:51:01

I think if we did it for next winter, it'd probably be cheap in Spain, right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:51:06

Like maybe next February or January or something, yeah. Not this one, but uh and then we'd have enough time to promote it and get people on board with it and fill the thing up.

SPEAKER_04: 1:51:19

I don't know, yeah, because ideally by then Sebastian is weaned, right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:51:25

Yeah, because it would be a good time, man. I'm telling you, there's nothing I I the time you get to spend with people and a trip like that is just so unbelievable. I don't know how many people would be down to actually do it. I don't know how broke our audience is. I don't know how broke you guys are. My chat froze up. I have to reset it.

SPEAKER_04: 1:51:49

I'd love to visit the uh the cave of Saint Ignatius and Man Ray. Uh I think it's Manresa, Catalonia. That's where he spent time.

SPEAKER_02: 1:52:03

I um so okay, so I'm I'm I mean, we could get Father Nick's. I would even be able to ask, like, my diocesan priest that says the Latin Mass, he's retired, might be able to get him, or might be able to get Father Mayara.

SPEAKER_04: 1:52:15

Well, they they're saying, um where was it? Someone Father Murr's farm is right by Zaragoza. Maybe we can get Father Murr.

SPEAKER_02: 1:52:27

Yeah, he's in Spain, might be able to get him.

SPEAKER_04: 1:52:29

I mean, I don't know how his health is. I know that's been rough.

SPEAKER_02: 1:52:34

Yeah, you guys are all broke. Oh man, it would be such a great trip. You guys don't even know. We would have such a good time.

SPEAKER_04: 1:52:42

Pro Truth85 says Pamela Acker is the only woman that would be a great episode on the show. He has been on the show for an episode, and it's very good.

SPEAKER_02: 1:52:49

Yeah, so check it out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look that up. We actually did have her on. Um, Father Maudsley would not um celebrate mass for us because he does not have faculties. Yep, and he follows that.

SPEAKER_04: 1:53:02

Father Ripper's probably too busy.

SPEAKER_02: 1:53:04

Yeah. How great would that be? Get Ripper. It would be. Think about yo. If we got Father Ripper, we would sell that thing out in no time.

SPEAKER_04: 1:53:17

He might just like the free trip to Europe, man. Be like, not only would we get a free trip, maybe we'll split some of the money with you. Yeah, for sure. Father Isaac would give him a year's notice.

SPEAKER_02: 1:53:34

He might here's here's the thing with Father Isaac and Father uh next. Oh boy. They don't say the Pope's name in the canon, guys. I'm just telling you. You do have to be okay with that. You gotta be okay with that. You guys tell me you're okay with that. I'll go. I'm just telling you, like, that is the deal. Also, it would be awesome.

SPEAKER_04: 1:53:56

Whether they would say yes is hard to say.

SPEAKER_02: 1:54:03

I'm just telling you guys. That's that that's that's what the deal would be. Like, and and that and I wouldn't want to put anybody in a state like that. Like, I just don't want to put anybody in a position where they have to make that decision. Like, it would be too awkward. Like, I no, I would want to get a priest in I'd want to get a priest who says the it would be a Latin mass, it would be a Latin mass pilgrimage. Like, when I went with when I went with Coffin, he was like, No, it can't be a Latin mass pilgrimage, it has to has to be novice order. That's because his audience is boomers, like his whole audience is boomers. They don't want they didn't want like they I tried getting them to pray the rosary in Latin, and they were like, Oh, I was like, really? Like, you guys don't want to learn the rosary in Latin? Like, I'll lead it, and you guys will. I said, by the end of the first book, friggin' Italy, and you guys don't want to use the Latin. I was really like taken back by that. I mean, we might even be able to get Strickland for something like that. I don't know if I'd want to, but what about um Father Fenton?

SPEAKER_04: 1:55:03

Who he was on the he watched trivia episodes. He still follows us on Twitter all the time. You just don't know it's him.

SPEAKER_02: 1:55:14

Oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, we have a few options. We would definitely it would be a Latin mass pilgrimage. Father Casey.

SPEAKER_04: 1:55:32

Everyone does service memorandi. Yeah, that's kind of well. That's how I felt about a lot of things lately.

SPEAKER_02: 1:55:37

Strickland says the TLM. Um Father Wolf. I don't know. Yeah, we don't have to be a little bit of him. Like Father Real. I don't know if he says the Latin ass. I don't know. Here's what I know. I have like eight people that I could definitely get to go without even promoting it. Like the people, okay. So the people that we hit it off with on the Italy pilgrimage, the people that came came for us, like so. We went when we went to Italy, it was split down the middle. It was half there for Patrick, half there for me. The half there were that were there for me were all under 40. The half that were there for Patrick were all over 60. It was split down the middle. And then when we got back from that second round of um tours, we'd have dinner, and the older crowd was exhausted and they went to bed. And it was just the under 40 crowd hanging out till like one, two in the morning. And we had Gloria and Mary Teresa over there also, but they came for me. They were they were probably a little older than me, but they came for me and they hung out, but it was just like split down the middle. It was like 10 or 11 of us hung out every night until like one in the morning. We would be hungover the next day, trekking on whatever journey we had to go on, all with headaches. I'm like, Oh my goodness, and we had such a good time that in December we're all going to Banff, like we're going to Banff National Park in Canada just to go meet up again. So I know all of them will come. Yeah, all of them are gonna come. So I got 10 right off the bat that are definitely coming. So we really just like the bus holds 30. You need 20 more people. I think we can pull off 20 more people going.

SPEAKER_04: 1:57:20

Did Patrick ever hang out, Bobby? Only to do magic tricks.

SPEAKER_02: 1:57:27

Oh man, I can't, I can't, I can't. I'm not gonna do that. One night, one night. I'll give you guys I'll give you guys the loadout.

SPEAKER_04: 1:57:38

Depends on how much he continues to stay on Twitter. Lemon night might night might come sooner than later.

SPEAKER_02: 1:57:43

Yeah, we'll see how things pan out with Patrick, and then uh I'm in my 40s, man. I I I say 40s, 50s, I don't care how old. Like, look, if you guys are older and you want to come, you're like it's fun. I'm just telling you, we're a rowdy group, is all I'm telling you. Like, you we're gonna we're gonna do one tour a day instead of two, and we're going to basically after lunch, we're gonna spend the day together, and we're just gonna like walk around wherever we are, we'll do shopping together. Like when we went to Italy, the shopping was so cheap. Like, I'd give my wife a hundred bucks and she would come back with bags of stuff, like crazy amount of stuff. Spain's gonna be cheaper than that, cheap. Like, and my wife got tons of stuff while we were there, and it was like, I give her a hundred bucks, and she would go on a shopping spree, and she'd be like, Oh my god, thank you so much. Like, I treated her. I'm like, I'm gonna give you a hundred bucks. I don't care, whatever.

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Go.

SPEAKER_02: 1:58:40

I'm a 22-year-old elderly person. Uh yeah, for worst thing Ribbaker could say is no, I'm gonna ask. Oh, the uh the the rant on salmon's last week is legendary. Uh I did that. I say omg? I didn't mean to. I didn't notice, but that's sometimes it flips out, guys. Never intentional. Um men's weekend in January. We'll plan something. Like we'll do something like small um for just men, but then the pilgrimage is something. I want to do a pilgrimage, like I really do. I want to go on a pilgrimage. I want to I want to have I want to have a Latin mass pilgrimage where we go and we get to spend real time with friends and like make lifelong bonds. Like that that's that's a fun time to me.

SPEAKER_04: 1:59:40

Yeah. I think it might patch point.

SPEAKER_02: 1:59:46

Um, what's Simeon asking? What did you miss?

SPEAKER_04: 1:59:48

What the if you if you guys missed no, I think he's saying what did your wife get shopping.

SPEAKER_02: 1:59:56

Oh, I don't know. She's buying hats. And skirts and all sorts of stuff.

SPEAKER_04: 2:00:03

We would rather you not max out a credit card for this, guys.

SPEAKER_02: 2:00:07

No, it's worth it. Max out a credit card for it. It's worth it. Sometimes you gotta sometimes you gotta deal with the devil a little bit. It's not it's listen. Okay, so I spent money on the people that were there. I bought dinner for 16 people one night. Like, I don't I didn't I didn't care. I just wanted everybody to stay and hang out. I was buying drinks for people the entire time we were there.

SPEAKER_04: 2:00:37

I was gonna say the key the key is to make sure he's drinking, and then you'll get a lot of free stuff.

SPEAKER_02: 2:00:41

If I got a couple in me, I'm buying drinks for everyone. Like I would just want everybody there having fun.

SPEAKER_04: 2:00:46

It's not as long as uh avoiding Babylon doesn't have to take out a business loan to cover it, we're fine.

SPEAKER_02: 2:00:50

Yeah, it as long as like Rob and I's trip are covered, like we're gonna have fun, and our wife, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Um yeah, and is obscenely generous. I can't, I it's I just like when everybody's hanging out having fun, so it's not I I just want everybody to be around and having fun, but um, all right, we're gonna wrap this one off. So it was a little this is a little off this show. Rob, Rob, Rob wasn't into the top. I will take the blame. Um, but tomorrow I'll be on with Steven Cox and Catholic Esquire. Thursday, we have Cameron O'Hearn. Cameron's gonna be fun, dude. We're gonna give him crap, yeah. But it's gonna be funny. We're gonna get we're gonna we're gonna make him awkward, and he's going to enjoy it, and he's gonna become our friend, and then we're gonna ask him, why haven't you flown us down for one of these episodes yet?

SPEAKER_04: 2:01:42

Of this this this when we guilt him into it and he asks us, we're gonna say no.

SPEAKER_02: 2:01:54

I'd rather be avoiding usury than with avoiding Babylon. Nah. Nah, it's all right, guys. You go into a little bit of debt, pay it off as quick as you can. Um I want to get E. Michael Jones on. Yeah, he flew Keith Nestor down. Yeah, these guys all it's alright. Don't worry. We're gonna Don't worry. We're gonna, we're gonna, Cameron's gonna get it Thursday. Um, I want to get E. Michael Jones on, but I listened to a space with E. Michael Jones two nights ago, and man, he sucks on the liturgy of Vatican II, dude. Of course he does. He sucks on it.

SPEAKER_03: 2:02:31

He's just terrible on it.

SPEAKER_02: 2:02:40

Who's Marcus and Steven? Catholic Esquire. Is that his name? Marcus? I didn't know that. Yeah, Bobby's right. Start saving once we announce this thing, like start saving money. Like it's we'll try and keep it as cheap as possible and start saving money. Like you're going to have an amazing trip. We'll we'll pick a place that is affordable. We won't do 14 days, like like Patrick took us on a 12-day pilgrimage. We'll do like nine or 10 days or something. Yeah, we'll try to keep it at nine or 10 days, and we will try to keep it affordable. We'll go at a time where the flights are cheap. We'll we'll we'll do the best we can to make this a ghetto trip for you guys, but I promise you, you will have an amazing time.

SPEAKER_04: 2:03:29

So you might have to sleep in the cave of Kavadanga, but we'll make it cheap, guys.

SPEAKER_02: 2:03:34

We're staying in hostels.

SPEAKER_04: 2:03:37

Bobby, we're not all feds with fed vacation.

SPEAKER_02: 2:03:39

Yeah, Bobby's getting too long. All right, I gotta get to sleep. I got work in the morning. This is uh a longer one than I thought, but I I don't know. We I locals is just more fun. I you know what we're gonna do. We're gonna put we're gonna put the the Abby Johnson clip up on YouTube.

SPEAKER_04: 2:03:58

That's what I was thinking.

SPEAKER_02: 2:04:00

Abby Johnson, Lila Rose. Yeah, full critique. Because we gotta make up for the low views we're gonna get on the on the uh on the massey clip.

SPEAKER_04: 2:04:12

I used to love how uh that that vid IQ program was like, are are you sure this is not what your audience wants to do?

SPEAKER_02: 2:04:19

I mean, it's it's literally like one of the lowest views shows we've had in a very long time. Not a single comment on it, guys. Go leave a comment on that video to boost it in the algorithm.

SPEAKER_04: 2:04:30

I thought it had a decent number of views compared to what we my views it was good, but it's showing showing low views now.

SPEAKER_02: 2:04:38

I don't really care, I really don't care as long as as long as the locals members are happy. I don't care about YouTube.

SPEAKER_04: 2:04:45

But then why did you want to do it to try to get the libertarian audience?

SPEAKER_02: 2:04:48

I just didn't want to talk about I don't know. I just wanted to try well.

SPEAKER_04: 2:04:52

I I understand not wanting okay. I just but we did we did talk about it.

SPEAKER_02: 2:04:57

I didn't want to do I didn't want to do the document as the main story, I didn't want to talk about Fuentes as the main story. I just kind of wanted to talk about I thought that massy conversation would go better, but I just I don't I don't understand why you thought that it was what I don't know what more we could have said about I want I don't know. I thought it was funny. I mean it was definitely funny.

SPEAKER_04: 2:05:18

The best part is you you trying to figure out in your head what you would do if I would die.

SPEAKER_02: 2:05:21

Yeah, that was that was the best part. Like that was a funny bit. If Rob dies, how long do I have to grieve for? I was I thought it was a funny bit. Guys, if ant dies, voiding Babylon dies with them. Yeah, probably, right? I mean, I don't know. You got the infrastructure set up.

SPEAKER_04: 2:05:38

You just I know, but you are you have always been the driving force, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 2:05:42

But I think if you matched up with uh a personality like mine, the infrastructure is there. You could probably do it with someone. I you couldn't do it alone, you can't do it with with Adrian. I think you and like a panty lay would work. I think you and Pantile was on my yeah, yeah. You and a panty lay could pull pull it off. I think you just need like you need the opposite temperament to bounce off of, you know, and it would work. Everyone's saying that it's not gonna be avoiding Babylon, obviously, without me, but this still you can still keep something going.

SPEAKER_04: 2:06:18

Um, is it is there a personality like yours? Not that I've ever met, guys. Not that I've ever met. Uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 2:06:33

If Anthony lays anything on steroids. I'm gonna start doing steroids soon, I think. I don't know. I'm waiting to see how Jason's Jason's report is he he he's just doing uh T R T. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's doing something mild, yeah. He's not doing steroids.

SPEAKER_04: 2:06:56

No, not the not the Boston Catholic lady.

SPEAKER_02: 2:07:02

Please no. She's great, that lady. I still check on her from time to time. You do? Yeah. Just work.

SPEAKER_03: 2:07:12

Who are you? Who do you think you are? That you're just too good for Jesus.

SPEAKER_02: 2:07:17

I don't know what this is my daughter's glass. I don't know where I got it. But I do like it. All right. I have two of them and they have caps with straws. It has like a cap that goes on with a metal straw or something that goes in it. A glass straw. Cap with a glass straw. All right. We gotta wrap this up. I gotta get to sleep.