Avoiding Babylon

Possessed Man Tries to Desecrate Tabernacle (Full LOCALS Version)

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Ever look at your feed and feel like someone’s trying to make you hate your neighbor? We put that to the test with a live “algorithm roulette,” guessing whose timeline each clip came from and asking why so much of it pushes race-bait thefts, EBT panic, and culture-war outrage. Along the way, we break down a tense church body-cam video to talk policing, de-escalation, and when force becomes necessary. Then we face the harder civic questions: what really happens if benefits stop, how widespread fraud warps the system, and why the ugliest clips rise to the top of our screens.

We also wade into a charged Catholic media debate: does joining a major platform quietly narrow what you’re allowed to say and who you can host? We examine the incentives around Zionism, the pressure of donor comfort, and why some lines get treated as sacred cows. A viral claim comparing the Holocaust to “the crucifixion on IMAX” forces a frank response about blasphemy and the limits of analogy. From there, we trace a deeper thread—how ecumenism, symbols, and typology shape the way ordinary Catholics think. The half-shekel in the Temple, the court of the Gentiles, and Christ cleansing that space aren’t dusty trivia; they’re the grammar of worship that still guards us from smuggling idolatry into holy places.

If you’re worn out by hot takes that dodge real costs, this one asks for courage and clarity. We’re not here to flatter algorithms or play nice with sacred cows. We’re here to tell the truth, protect the vulnerable without ignoring fraud, and keep worship centered on God. Listen, share with a friend who’s wrestling with the same questions, and leave a review with your honest take—did the clips in your feed look anything like ours?

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SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, that Rob made that intro for dude. You're talking way back. I had Joe Boca on. Joe Boca on, and we did an episode and we called it off the rails because it was like the first episode where we started discussing Francis.

SPEAKER_16:

Well, that was the first episode you were half of the tank for.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I was. I think I was drinking a martini that night.

SPEAKER_16:

Said things you wouldn't have said up to that point otherwise.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, and we like we just started talking, and Joe actually, I remember in that episode, Joe was like, um, he was like, like, we were talking about like the like maybe Baron came up or something, and he goes, he goes, is that really the is that really the bare minimum we expect? Like, like, is that what it means to be Catholic?

SPEAKER_16:

Now like he was just saying, like, how well something had just I don't know if it was Baron, but something had just happened, and some bishop had just said something that was halfway decent for once.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, and yeah, and he was just like, is is this like is this what we're getting excited about at this point? Like it was just so ridiculously low, such a low bar, you know. Um uh mf. I just just left the mat for had fest on daily wire. Who boy is going exactly what everyone thought? Oh, is that tonight? Yeah, how is that going? What wait, was it tonight or Friday? No, I think it was tonight. They had it was um man, is that on YouTube? I don't know. Is that on YouTube or it's uh no, it's on Daily Wire Plus. You're black pilled and J fatigued, and you came to us. No, we're not doing that tonight, don't worry.

SPEAKER_02:

We are doing an office.

SPEAKER_16:

They're saying, yeah, right right now it's YouTube.

SPEAKER_03:

It's on YouTube?

SPEAKER_16:

Oh someone says it's on subscription. Yeah, yeah, we're three minutes, five seconds in, and Anthony's distracted already.

SPEAKER_03:

Whoa. Um, it's free. All right, you know what we'll do? We will we will I'll watch this tomorrow and I'll see if there's anything worth talking about.

SPEAKER_16:

No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not available until we're not doing a show tomorrow.

SPEAKER_03:

That's right.

SPEAKER_16:

Or Friday.

SPEAKER_03:

No, no, no. I'll still I'll still I'll still I don't know. I'm off tomorrow. Maybe I'll pop on alone and I'll just I'll just do the Matt Frad Daily Wire review show.

SPEAKER_16:

Oh, we we can't YouTube will pull it if we stream it here, guys.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, no, it would have to be a locals thing. Um, yeah, if anybody sees anything like super interesting, let us know.

SPEAKER_16:

We'll uh uh there definitely is stuff to talk about.

SPEAKER_03:

All right. Oh, I would have been watching it this whole time. I wish I had known. Um, all right. So what we decided tonight was so we tried last night to do um like the roulette, the ex-algorithm roulette thing, or whose timeline is it anyway, and we couldn't do it because we're both logged into Twitter on PC. So I told Rob, I said just go through like whatever comes up in your algorithm that you think would be interesting today and throw it in the in the show notes, and I'll do the same thing. So we're gonna kind of compare mine and Rob's feed a little bit, and then we just have a bunch of videos we're going to get to. So the first thing we're going to do we are gonna play a game though with it. Don't you think? I think we could do some kind of game with it, yeah.

SPEAKER_16:

We we put the video on, and obviously people need to guess who whose feed it's from, but how do how do we make it a game?

SPEAKER_03:

I don't know. But we should we're also going to do the video in the in the title.

SPEAKER_16:

I think I might play that one, Adrian.

SPEAKER_03:

I haven't seen any of Rob's videos, by the way. Like Robin watch any of them? I haven't watched any of them. I want to be surprised. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You pulled to me, I like it. So we're going to, but honestly, I don't think I watched my videos like thoroughly. So, like, there might be look, this is gonna be a PG 13 show, guys. So there might be like a curse in some of the videos or something.

SPEAKER_16:

So if you guys haven't looked at so well, apparently that video that you made me make the lead for has a lot of cursing in it. Oh, that's true. So we uh so my wife who did watch it made sure to tell me to let everyone know F bomb disclaimer this episode, guys.

SPEAKER_03:

So okay, but this is a real video, though. So okay, so this guy goes into a Catholic church and tries to rob the tabernacle, and it's a it's a body cam footage of a cop approaching him. So if you haven't seen this yet, it is pretty intense, but there is absolutely bad language in it. So it if you're sensitive to bad language, don't watch. I don't know what to tell you. There's gonna be a couple of curses in this show tonight. Nothing's gonna be coming from Rob and I. It's going to just be videos that we play, but this video, I couldn't I couldn't make sense of it. I didn't know if this was just drugs like drugs, the guy was on drugs, or if it's actual possession, but it's pretty nuts. And the guy I didn't, I didn't, I didn't watch much, seemed like the most useless cop in the world, though. That's what that was the main thing. I could I thought it was fake because the cop was not doing anything, but the falls this guy takes from from in the sanctuary, there's like a three-step elevation, and he just falls straight back, yeah, without any like bracing for impact, like literally just falls straight back, and it's it's kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_16:

So well, I mean, for the for the record, like my six-year-old sometimes watches.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, the thing is, typically we never curse, we never take the Lord's name in vain, we never curse. So, you know, if you have a 12-13-year-old teenager in the car, like you can listen to our show with your kid. I mean, I don't think a six-year-old, but um, we do, I mean, we we discuss serious topics, but you never you're never gonna hear foul language on our show. And if we do, it'll be an accident, or we'll try to warn you guys. So, um, I watched a show with my small children. You guys don't Ryan's not married, I don't think daddy.

SPEAKER_16:

What does a popolyp? What does apocalyptic mean? Daddy, what does it mean when they keep saying they're fatigued? Oh, and what's an end tower, daddy?

SPEAKER_03:

Listen, there's going to be a lot of fatigue videos tonight. Just giving you guys a heads up.

SPEAKER_16:

Jim must be a left cat.

SPEAKER_03:

I uh there's a going to be a lot of fatigue videos we go through tonight, but we didn't really have there was no like big story, and I kind of wanted to get yesterday out of like I needed a palate cleanse after yesterday because anytime I do one of those shows where the pro look, the problem is we kind of put ourselves in the position where when something happens in like the online Catholic world, we're the place people go for commentary on it. Like, I mean, I kind of did that to us, so you know, when the most reason thing happens, people tune into us screaming for me, and now suddenly I'm known as the guy who complains about everything.

SPEAKER_16:

Thanks.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, you do kind of complain about everything, even if we're not doing comments. I am yeah, so uh my wife says if I'm not complaining, I must be sick or I kind of put us in the position where we're we're like the place you go for commentary when something big happens. So even last night, I was I never at any point like insulted Matt. I I tried to show him as much grace as I could. It was really just discussing what the issues are going to be for people with him joining there. But the problem is people see a thumbnail and they see a title and they just assume like the comments we're getting like this is so uncharitable. It's like, guys, shut up.

SPEAKER_16:

Like, I I honestly like the the pints with Mamma uh Mamonides joke that both Fuentes picked up on and Matt picked up on, yeah. Like what because I mean I did comment, I replied with it to the to his post on Daily Wire. So he probably saw it.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm sure he saw it, and like I hope I think he was who knows me knows it was just a joke. I wasn't saying but the idea that something like that would happen, and we're not allowed to comment on it because Matt's Catholic, like, I completely reject that nonsense. I do not want you like there's if when Candace Owens left the Daily Wire, there were 800 commentators who discussed Candace Owens leaving the Daily Wire. Nobody said a thing about it, but all of a sudden, because it's Matt Frad and he's Catholic royalty, oh no, it's uncharitable to discuss this. Like, I don't know what world you guys live in, but we're men, and one of the biggest influencers in our in our genre or sphere or whatever in this realm decided to join a Jewish-owned business, and he knew it was going to be controversial. For us to not discuss that is completely absurd. Like, come on, stop it. That's that he likes the jokes, he just didn't like the low IQ anti-Semitism. He didn't say anything about the high IQ anti-Semitism though.

SPEAKER_16:

I didn't click on that. I didn't mean to click on that.

SPEAKER_03:

Um, Kyle is coping, but like that's what I mean. There are people that there are people that think like to say that you are more free when you have a boss is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_16:

Is more free when you have a boss instead of just the audience is stupid when that boss you're beholden to that boss who is then beholden to the audience.

SPEAKER_03:

But look, I don't it's it I'm not even saying that Kyle was coping in thinking that, like, oh, everybody's so upset and like the crab barrel, everybody's clone. It's like, and then even Eric Salmons talking about people being envious, and that's why they're just like none of the this is a very big deal. We're going to discuss it. Like, what would make why is it wrong to discuss this? I don't get it. Like, if if Daily Wire scooped us up, I would imagine people would be discussing it, they'd be saying the same stuff about us that they're saying about Matt.

SPEAKER_16:

Yeah, and I and I would have to expect our show has always just been you and I discussing on cameras what we would talk about in person, exactly. And no one's so what we can talk about this in our private lives, but to talk about in public is suddenly verboten. Are you stupid?

SPEAKER_03:

It's just it's just I don't know, I don't know what you guys think this show is.

SPEAKER_16:

Like once again, it's the whole separating your Catholic life from your your normal life, and I just I hate that, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Because in all honesty, even all of those people who are saying that like this is this is ankle biting, or this is jealousy, like they're in their private lives talking about this with the people in their private lives, yeah. But it's like verboten to go or go on air.

SPEAKER_16:

Actually, they're talking about it publicly, they're just ankle biting the people they're saying are ankle biting.

SPEAKER_03:

It's it's so it's so I don't know, man. I don't I don't know why Catholics think like certain things are you just can't no, you can't talk about that. That's uncharitable, and it shows disunity, and you're not you're not a real Catholic because it's like converts doing it again. It is, though, it really is. It's it's it's converts that converted because of Matt's show. So, like a convert comes in because they saw something on Matt Show, or Matt helped them along with their conversion, and they're like, he's their favorite influencer, and it's like anybody that criticizes him, oh my gosh, you're just showing disunity. It's like, guys, I don't this is just the world we're in. Like, we're in the social media world. Every one of you are talking about it on Twitter. Me and Rob are just doing it on YouTube.

SPEAKER_16:

It is what it is, so iron strength strengthens iron, and unless you have to make a little bit off-color joke, then no, that's bad.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, Ryan, you are an exceptional convert, though. I mean, yeah, you're one of my things. I gotta be honest, you're not your typical convert. Like, you you you kind of got like red pilled right away on your way in, and um good thing.

SPEAKER_16:

That means we expect you to have our back at all points in time forever.

SPEAKER_03:

Anyone ever comes after us, you guys better have our back. The way the way Frad's uh minions have his.

SPEAKER_16:

Um, so um, so uh the people who Frad was beholden to and said he's no longer beholden to now, um didn't want him talking about aliens being demons.

SPEAKER_03:

And and Daniel O'Connor's pretty based on the JQ too. Yeah, he's pretty based on that conversation too. So um, but all right, so should we get into the title? Son of a yeah, yeah, I did it again. Yeah, I come on in my A B merch, and Rob's like, let me promote somebody else's merch.

SPEAKER_16:

Okay, we just need to have um we just need to have him make merch for us so that I can do both.

SPEAKER_03:

That would be good, yeah. Um, all right, so let's do the let's do the all right to uh tr uh uh language warning. We're giving you guys a language warning right off the bat. I want to watch this video, I want to see the the poor the poor um police work by the cop. I want to talk about what is going on with this guy. If this video is legit, I mean there's a police report on it, there's a news story on it. It seems like a legit video. It is from February. Yeah, it just happened to make the rounds today, and it made the rounds from Poe perspective first. Um, okay, and I have off of work tomorrow, so I'm drinking I'm drinking a sugared rimmed pumpkin beer.

SPEAKER_16:

Is it a pumpkin beer or is it a pumpkin flavored beer?

SPEAKER_04:

Pumpkin ale. Montauk brewery, pumpkin ale. So I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_16:

Okay. Ready?

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, let's go.

SPEAKER_03:

Like, look at that fool, man.

SPEAKER_16:

Why is the guy why is there a guy kneeling there not doing anything?

SPEAKER_03:

This is this is a major problem in all of these kinds of incidents, right? Like you you you'll see Muslims go in and and deface Catholic imagery, like the uh um I saw a recent one where there was like uh our a statue of our lady in like a beautiful cloak, and the person uh yeah, I just I don't know what to tell you guys. I drink gay gay stuff. I don't know what to tell you guys. Um uh the the one guy urinating in in St. Peter's, yeah, like nobody does anything, they just sit there. There's a guy kneeling there, and he does absolutely nothing. Now, I understand if you're alone and you're an older guy, he like he seems like an older guy. Maybe he's just terrified this guy's gonna hurt him. I I don't know. I just I mean, if I'm ever in that situation, somebody's approaching the tabernacle in that way. I am literally bending that guy in half and hurting him.

SPEAKER_16:

Now, um, so so yes, if you look, the altar is set up at Orientum, and someone in our telegram um said that he had served a he had served mass as an altar server, TLMS here, um, at some point in his life. So this, I don't know if this is a strictly trad parish or or what, but it could be uh biritual.

SPEAKER_03:

A bi ritual diocesan TLM no besordo.

SPEAKER_16:

Um the this is the body cam from the police. Yeah, it's it's you'll see up top. Um, yeah, you'll see up top that it is a body camera.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, it probably is the guy. That guy is probably the one who called the police.

SPEAKER_04:

So biracial parish.

SPEAKER_02:

Um hello, sir. The deputy rolling to the sheriff's office. How are you?

SPEAKER_09:

I'm all right.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay, so what's going on today?

SPEAKER_09:

I just need to open this.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay. Well, we can't really do that. That's just hurts his property.

SPEAKER_03:

That is a hard fall.

SPEAKER_16:

It's harder, uh, it's not as hard as it initially looks. He gets his arms out. He gets his arms out his head. His head, maybe. Well, no, no, I'm saying his arms hit before his head. Watch.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. His back is arched back, so he's definitely not slamming his head.

SPEAKER_16:

Dude, that's still it it doesn't sound nice, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_02:

Like, there's no like bending or anything. Like, how'd you end up here today? Because I'm Jesus with the gay. Do you have some friends around here or something? Because I'm Jesus. For me to help you, you have to talk to me.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh man, very sonatal deputy. Uh yeah, I mean too, Molly. If I felt like that, I don't think I'd get up.

SPEAKER_16:

Remember that um that weekend you did you had to go to the ER twice? Remember you're working on your boat, split your head open. Oh, that's right. And then like two days later, you cut your finger open.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, it was my hand and then my head.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Um, Bobby said, All right, so Bobby's a cop, and he says, Yeah, that's an immediate call for additional units and roll EMS. So you don't actually want to confront this guy by yourself. Because if you get this guy gets a hold of your weapon, like if you if you get into a brawl with this guy and this guy gets a hold of your weapon, you're done, right? So you want a little bit of backup with you. I would the the cop is probably following standard procedure.

SPEAKER_16:

We're all disciplizing doing anything, you know, de-escalation techniques that they were taught and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03:

So well, yeah, like why the cop just calmly asks, What brings you here today? The guy slamps himself backwards. This is crazy. No, Bobby's like literally a fed cop. Like, he's a fed, he's not just a cop, he's like a legit fed.

SPEAKER_16:

Luckily, though, he um he stalks and informs on Byzantine parishes, not on TLS. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

He's not, he's not uh, he's not watching the trad parishes, he's uh he's a Byzantine uh fed. Uh Don says he's probably waiting for a social work. Don Ben, Don, I haven't seen you in a while. Been too controversial lately. This is a perfect show for Don to join us.

SPEAKER_16:

Yes, Bobby's Catholic.

SPEAKER_03:

Not really. I mean, he makes it kind of across the I mean he's more orthodox than Catholic, but like he's kind of according to Nostra tattoo. He's Catholic, but I'll be honest, the only time I've gone to Mass with Bobby is at a Novus Ordo.

SPEAKER_16:

That's not true.

SPEAKER_03:

He's got his Catholic bonus.

SPEAKER_16:

You were at an SSBX mass with Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That one's not too bad. But the one where he falls down the three steps is crazy. Almost he's he's like Kevin James Catholic or Charles Taylor Catholic. It'll be a very interactive show tonight, guys. I hope you're not expecting much from us. Um I was wondering this was that him breathing or did he he ripped my to the ball, dude. So uh like, do you think this guy is on drugs?

SPEAKER_16:

If you listen very closely, he's thinking about go sleep.

SPEAKER_03:

If you're new to the show, you're gonna miss a lot of inside jokes tonight. I'm just giving you guys a heads up. Do you so do you think he's on drugs or do you think he's possessed? Do you think it's both?

SPEAKER_16:

I think it's he's definitely on drugs. Seems that way. Yes. I mean, just yeah, I would imagine now. Uh um, if he is he possessed too, I maybe, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03:

Um, it's very strange how every time he goes for the tabernacle, there's like some force that won't allow him to get in it. What do you think? That's an act.

SPEAKER_16:

It could could be either or both.

SPEAKER_03:

I I don't know. It's kind of strange. Um, sorry. Um, as soon absolutely not. As soon as he falls like that, you're moving to secure him, you don't sit and watch. He could get hit with an with negligence. I had a guy who might have been possessed the other day. So, yeah, so that right. So if the guy gets back up and falls again, and you're just standing there doing nothing while he's hurting himself. Yeah, yeah. It's I mean, yeah. So Bobby knows proper proper procedure more than we would, so um, yeah, keep going. Yeah. Like, even right there, like, why isn't he tased you? I don't know what he can do. Or why is he not telling the other guy to back?

SPEAKER_16:

Why not secure him right then?

SPEAKER_03:

But why is he not tased? Like, while he's on the ground.

SPEAKER_02:

I got more people coming. He's he's on something. Twenty, how far out are you?

SPEAKER_03:

Um, I don't know if tabernacles are typically locked, but they should be.

SPEAKER_16:

Yes, they are. They are, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Um so he's dove a couple three times. He's fell backwards off the thing here. He's on something. Something or other, he ripped the crucifix thing off the top of the thing there. He just went and grabbed one of these things here and kind of came at me a little bit and rubbed them off, and then he hopped back up there. So I hate this copy. No, I've I haven't been able to get anything out of him what's up.

SPEAKER_14:

Stay away from me. What's going on, man? I'm Jesus Christ Almighty.

SPEAKER_16:

Yeah, you're demands, growth. Now, um, from what I've heard, I think, anyways, from Ripper Gur and other exorcists, demons usually don't like blast.

SPEAKER_03:

Say the name of right say the name of Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_16:

They'll do almost everything else except take the name of Christ in vain.

SPEAKER_03:

So I don't think it's possession. I think this guy's just whacked. Yeah, I think so too. No, we're not the not here. Yeah, that was a that's a that's a very good point. I think I think everybody's right on this. Like demons would never say his name. He's just on drugs. Um, he's just Pentecostal. Would you you banned Grover again? Yes, I did. Good. Don't honestly, all of those guys, man. Okay, if you're okay with that, I'm gonna be yeah, Phil Gonzalez. Phil Gonzalez, I never want to see again. Ever, ever. Never want to see Phil Gonzalez again. He that guy that guy I'm done with. Like, I have no patience for him. I don't want to see him. I have no, I don't care for him. Done with him.

SPEAKER_16:

Didn't they also didn't everyone conclude that Grover's actually orthodox?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, he should be watching Christian Mario's video tonight. He's doing like a uh uh ortho priest reaction. Um, yeah, all right. So I think everybody kind of agrees with the with us, right? Like, I I think this is just drugs, I don't think that's possession.

SPEAKER_16:

No, I mean, did the guy have some sort of demonic um oppression or something at some port point that drove him to drugs? Yeah, probably, but no, I don't think we're seeing like full possession there or something.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't think so either. Um, all right, so so where we're gonna go with the show now is going to be interesting. Um uh so we could do it where I mean it's a 50-50 shot you guys have because Rob could either pull up a video from his feed or my feed. You guys have to guess which feed it's from, and then we'll just react to the video.

SPEAKER_16:

Oh, okay. No, this is what I would I had thought. I want you, I want everyone to guess who it's from and why they think that. Now, for the obvious ones, it'll be obvious, but for the ones that could be either the guy wasn't on trouble, he was drinking pumpkin beer.

SPEAKER_03:

Probably.

SPEAKER_16:

Um, I don't I from what I saw, I don't think either of us put any um snuff films in there today.

SPEAKER_03:

I I might have, I don't know, towards the end. I put a lot of stuff in there. Yeah, so look, there's gonna be there's gonna be way more videos from me than Rob because I just toward especially later on, like towards the end of the day, I just started throwing stuff in that I was like, oh, I could c I have things to say about this. I have things to say about this. So like at first we'll play the whose timeline is it, and then we'll just react to videos. Rob, I'll let you pick. Okay, yours or mine.

SPEAKER_16:

Um should we start off famous easy? It's probably not wrong. Okay, um I got a good one to start with. You didn't watch this one? I did, I did, I did. Okay, because I texted this one and but you just told everybody it's yours. I did, I did, okay. You just ruined the game. But everyone needs to see this anyways.

SPEAKER_03:

See, if you didn't say anything, people would have thought that was mine. Why I really screwed this one up. People would have thought that was mine if you didn't say anything. That was like, you see, that's ant for sure, but no, it was Rob's. That one was Rob's.

SPEAKER_16:

By the way, guys, a Native American posted that, so it's not racist.

SPEAKER_03:

If you go all the way up and put the first video I posted, I I yeah, I know. Well, no, because now everyone will know it's you. Well, yeah, you don't, I'm just saying go up that high and then choose between mine or yours from that point. Like, let's go through all the videos. There's like 30 videos in there, so okay, here we go.

SPEAKER_16:

This is a random video. Now this one needs um like the caption to help with it. Um black women have to use their own canvas to buy groceries on the woman. So who is it everyone? So a lot of Anthony's here. Uh no, no, I didn't mean to put that one. It's going too fast. A lot of people are saying ant. Not me. Some are saying me.

SPEAKER_03:

Here's the thing. That's why I'm telling you, they're trying to start a race war because Rob's getting racist content too.

SPEAKER_16:

Okay, but I there are some I like I I just scrolled video after video, and some I picked specifically to make it seem like you'll you. So we'll see. To trick people, okay. To trick people, yeah, yeah. Okay, we'll go. Uh we'll go with another Walmart here.

SPEAKER_04:

Okay, who's this?

SPEAKER_05:

Are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_08:

We're taking the TVs! Everybody's everywhere!

SPEAKER_16:

Are those gorillas? Okay, hold on. But before we go further, we should clarify for everyone who's not used to us. If there's anyone new here, like we're not necessarily sharing these because they're funny and racist. We are trying to show that the algorithms, like Ant said, seem to be pushing people to to be this way. Yes.

SPEAKER_03:

There's I my theory is my theory is they are trying to brew contention in the nation so that you are looking at black people suspiciously, you are looking at Jews suspiciously, right? They want you to be racist, they want so my theory is that the algorithm is intentionally feeding you this stuff because they want a civil war in our country. So, like it may be who you're subscribed to, but also the algorithm is just pushing you some wild stuff. Because I don't that's my video, but I don't subscribe to that person.

SPEAKER_16:

Yeah, see, see the you if it's your first time, you could really get the wrong impression about from these videos. We are just trying to show what the algorithm is pushing to people in general. Well, I actually did not see much of that in my in my feed, believe it or not.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, that was clearly like silly AI, and that was mine. Um, all right. Now, this one, if you want to go to the just the next one, like yeah, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_04:

Just put that one. Let's see what people think.

SPEAKER_03:

So, what is this? Uh video from Vietnam?

SPEAKER_16:

Yeah, this it's um video of a C47. I forget what they uh what the designation was. It was the like the original C um AC 130's uh gunship.

SPEAKER_03:

So they would yeah, it's very clearly my everybody's saying clearly raw, clearly raw, clearly raw. Yeah, that's definitely raw.

SPEAKER_16:

But I like for both of us, we well, I don't know what you how you did it. I wanted to show my a lot of my feed is like my interest and stuff, yeah. You know, guns, um, history, uh, but then there was some some stuff like Anthony's feed, too.

SPEAKER_03:

So see, I don't think I don't think that's avoidable, is my point, right? So you're going to get your special interest stuff, and people were saying yesterday, like the algorithm is a mirror, right? Because it's what you follow and it's what whatever you so. If you watch a video and you linger on it, the algorithm picks up that you lingered on it, yeah, and it will give you more content like that because it knows it like so. Some videos like uh it'll come up and I'll just flip right past it. I I and then that I don't I noticed those won't come back up because I didn't spend any time on it, but it does mirror your interests. It's crazy how AI actually can pick up on if you spent six seconds on something instead of three.

SPEAKER_16:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Um, I wonder if Matt Frat has racist stuff on his feed.

SPEAKER_16:

I didn't even know he was still on Twitter until today because he made the big deal about getting off of it a while ago.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, he came back, but he doesn't, I don't think he's on it much. Like, he's not. I mean, he's probably it's kind of like Trent. Trent doesn't post, but Trent's on Twitter all day. Trent is on Twitter all day. Trent watches every one of our videos. Like, I guarantee Trent watched our video yesterday from the beginning to the end.

SPEAKER_16:

I hope you like that beginning one from Taffy.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, that's the thing. We do throw him shout-outs every so often, and he he keeps an eye on us and he keeps an eye on Wagner, and he keeps an eye, like he keeps an eye on what's going on out there. Yeah, yeah. Everybody say hi to Trent.

SPEAKER_05:

Hi Trent.

SPEAKER_16:

Um, the I plan on getting the father full Father Modsley episode up on Rumble tomorrow.

SPEAKER_03:

We cannot put the full episode up on YouTube, it will no way, not on YouTube, but on Rumble it will be uncensored, full full interview. No, and it'll be free on locals. So if you're if you're not subscribed to our locals, it will be just subscribe to our no no no no no no.

SPEAKER_16:

I can't make it free on locals at this point. Oh no, no. Once you once you click the little button that that puts a bind the paywall, you can't unclick it. Okay, I try.

SPEAKER_03:

All right, so it'll be on Rumble if you haven't seen it yet. If you want to watch it now, you could go to you could go to you have to pay, but yeah, go to locals and you can watch it.

SPEAKER_16:

Here's another one.

SPEAKER_13:

He was like ball up in his in his seat, and that is not normal for him. I said, Can I have that bag? And he said, No, no one is getting that bag.

SPEAKER_12:

Text messages show the boy took the gun out of the backpack before the search occurred and went out to the playground. When he got back to class, surveillance video shows children running out of the room as the child shot his teacher, Abby's Warner. Attorney say, at no point did Parker call police, search the student herself, or ever leave her office.

SPEAKER_13:

Administrators are trained how to deal with the report of a gun.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, this is me. A six-year-old little black kid came into school with a gun, shot the teacher. The mother got I what was the mother's punishment?

SPEAKER_16:

What does it say in the um uh where was that one? It doesn't uh$40 million lawsuit.

SPEAKER_03:

I think the I think the the mother got like two years in prison for allowing the kid to have access to four years in prison for felony child neglect and federal weapons charges.

SPEAKER_16:

Because of course it was not a legal gun.

SPEAKER_03:

Of course it wasn't, and she let her four-year-old get to the gun. The fatigue is real, my friends. The fatigue is real.

SPEAKER_16:

Okay, here's an interesting one. Um, it'll it'll be interesting. Yeah, it'll here's an interesting one. It's not gonna be who you guys think.

SPEAKER_14:

Say, talk to me, damn it, or else I'm gonna throw you in the fire. I didn't do that for months. I didn't drop a bomb on Paris. I asked for surrender five times before we attacked Warsaw. Everything was refused. I asked that the women and children be sent out of the area. Not even the parliamentarian was received, everything was rejected, and only then did I decide to do what is for me.

SPEAKER_05:

It's clearly you.

SPEAKER_16:

I mean, I was no, no, okay. Everyone thinks it's me. First off, why? Why? Why do you all think it's me? Rob. Second off, that was a trick one. That's Adrian.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, that is a trick one, but that's still way more you than me.

SPEAKER_16:

It's like this content is too white to be anyone but Rob. Yes, that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_03:

Like, it's definitely you, it's not me.

SPEAKER_16:

Um, but I put this one in here because so so um Adrian, who I do the guns and rosaries with, he's on Instagram a lot, a lot more than you and I are, and he says about one in three of the videos the Instagram algorithm shares with him are those Hitler edits. Out of nowhere, he's like suddenly one in three videos on Instagram are these random Hitler edits.

SPEAKER_03:

Dude, there wasn't there one today of um of the that the the ice like uh department of holeland security put one out. Find that one because the Hitler edit. There was there was a Hitler mock edit from from Department of Homeland Security or something today.

SPEAKER_16:

I so I didn't see that, but I mean they did put out the uh the uh Lord of the Rings there won't be a Shire.

SPEAKER_03:

Well the well the the also the the Department of Homeland Security one has music on it, and it will um it you'll get a will get a copyright on it. But yeah, Adrian pure Bretarian. Um pop pop one of mine up. Yeah, let's let's just go with this. This is this one's mine, but this is what I'm being fed all day. I'm just telling you.

SPEAKER_11:

Y'all was clutching y'all purses before. This is gonna be the time that you need to clutch them. Y'all was doing all that shit at the wrong time. But this is y'all time to show up. Show up then. I ain't gonna be mad at you.

SPEAKER_16:

I'm not even sure what she's saying.

SPEAKER_05:

I think this is what I mean.

SPEAKER_16:

Well, what I'm not sure what I mean, though.

SPEAKER_03:

Like because they're making me just I'm just like done. Like I like you want to talk about fatigue.

SPEAKER_16:

And you were a wigger.

SPEAKER_03:

I know, and I like I really was, and like I loved hip hop, and I was like in the 90s, I was like, there's racial racial harmony, and everything's gonna be great.

SPEAKER_16:

And um it's it's it I was gonna say it's one thing that the zoomers, especially the younger ones, like they don't they don't understand that like when you and I were kids, like there wasn't like it was it was getting like close to levels of like racial harmony, like late 90s.

SPEAKER_03:

Late 90s wasn't bad, but what the problem is I've worked in the city too long now, so like working in New York City, I've now seen people get shot. I've now seen I've been attacked two two times at least, maybe three. It's been a while since we've pulled the um the getting the truck through the windows. Getting punched in the truck when I was on the truck, like driving a dump truck. I had a guy climb on the side of my truck and punch me in the face through the window, and I tried to kill him. Like I he was hanging on the side of the truck, and I'm driving a dump truck through through the Bronx, driving underneath an elevated train, trying to get close enough to the elevated train column to kill the guy and like knock him off the side of the truck. Um, so I've I've gone through that.

SPEAKER_16:

Your life really does sound like a movie sometimes, dude.

SPEAKER_03:

You have no idea some of the things. Man, these are local stories, though. These aren't like I don't typically tell these on YouTube. Yeah, I've got a good one here. Okay, let's go.

SPEAKER_09:

I have my wife on my right. Salam alaykum. Happy one inshallah. She's not gonna be in the video, but she's going to have her say um with this whiteboard that I bought her. But why is the default that the woman is innocent and the men is always guilty? Okay, that's something my wife wants to say. Uh Salama probably had enough as women give out give a lot of chances, has zero tolerance now. Okay, this is why I want you here. Yeah, it's very important for you to be here. Yes, I'm not because you guys thought misogynist content that must be it.

SPEAKER_03:

There are misogyny, that must be it. 200 miles. I will throw it to the Muslims. They get a couple things right. I'm just saying, but yeah, this is totally because Rob's in little Somalia.

SPEAKER_16:

That one was posted by Milo, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Of course, I know. And uh that's a classic video, too.

SPEAKER_16:

He said the perfect relationship. What an inspiration, and from such an unlikely source. Yeah, look, they they get they they they get the WQ down.

SPEAKER_03:

I will give it to them.

SPEAKER_16:

They're good on the WQ. Um, okay, hold on.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay. I want one that we can comment on. Like, I I wanna I want a video that like if we watch, we could actually like do commentary on. Not just like whose whose feed is it, but I I want to go, I want to go to one that's actually worth talking about.

SPEAKER_16:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Um, let me see. Here we go. Okay, yeah, this is a good one.

SPEAKER_10:

If I came in your house with all my bags, picking out all your food, deep freezer, snacks, your grandmama's milk, and everything, what what you gonna do? I'm curious. What you gonna do? If I was to walk in your house and go grocery shopping in your shit, if I I know what I would do.

SPEAKER_03:

I I don't like I really think black people have no idea what white culture is really like, and that the like depending on where you live, obviously.

SPEAKER_16:

I mean, because the white culture they see on TV is liberal white culture, yes.

SPEAKER_03:

So, like they see liberal white culture, but I mean, even like I live in New York. If you step in my house and go in my refrigerator, you're not making it out of my home alive, like and and like you're not making it out of my home alive. I don't know what world you live in that you think you're gonna go in and raid my refrigerator and make it out.

SPEAKER_16:

By the way, this one was so I I know you retweeted it. Did you put it in the chat?

SPEAKER_03:

No, you put this one in the chat.

SPEAKER_16:

I was gonna say this one was actually mine, believe it or not.

SPEAKER_03:

But it's it's funny because we're all getting the EBT videos because this happens on on Saturday, right? So on Saturday, EBT runs out, and um the content we're seeing now man, like what do you think happens with this? Like, what do you do like okay? Because they didn't they they did not pass the vote, like EBT runs out on Saturday.

SPEAKER_16:

Now the thing is I I would okay, so I would not be surprised, first off, if the Republicans cave between now and then. It's possible. I mean, they are just buying less. Yeah, oh I'm not even saying that obviously there's a lot of fraud in the program, but tons of it, a ton of it.

SPEAKER_04:

That's what I was gonna say.

SPEAKER_16:

But there are people that like do need it and should have it, you know, in and they are gonna be harmed by this.

SPEAKER_03:

Uh Rob, the problem, the problem is the amount of immigrants that are here because they were told come here, you'll get free stuff, and they are living solely based on this EBT program, section eight, housing, and all this stuff. That if they run out of benefits, they can't stay here, but they are living here off the government's handouts, right? So, in a way, it would be good. Now, I'm not for American citizens that have been here and they have multiple kids and they can only work 20 hours. Like, I do, I don't want their benefits to run out. But do you know how many people I'm just telling you in New York, like you see these videos where people are like, I got four thousand dollars a month in EBT? Do you know how many of those people take those four thousand dollars in EBT, go and they sell it for like 1500 cash?

SPEAKER_16:

Or um they're showing that uh there's uh a ton of the the a ton of it is somehow being turned into remittances to go overseas. Really? That a lot of the goods you know are are got and shipped overseas to be sold and things like that, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

But the majority of the majority of like black people in the hood, like they're getting four grand in EBT, they're selling it for cash for like 30 cents on the dollar, you know what I mean? Like that they get 4,000 a month, they're they're taking 1500 cash, they go buy their kids a couple of cans of crap and then they go spend that money, yeah.

SPEAKER_16:

Or um, they're um, I guess in a lot of um ethnic like open-air markets and stuff, there will people are selling their EBT stuff, stakes like you know, ribeye still in the package from the grocery store, you know, at 50% off, basically.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah. I mean, this is this is the the amount of fraud that is in this system is so insane. But then just the amount of people who came into this country and are just living off the government's like handouts, it's insane. Um, I saw a video of uh an Iraqi guy today, and he's like, if the if I run out of EBT, I can maybe make one month and then I cannot stay in the United States anymore. It's like cut their EBT off. Like, why are we doing this? I don't get it. The other thing is, we are running our country at such an insane deficit right now that our budget doesn't even cover the interest on the amount of money we owe. Like, we we we can't even cover the interest on the on the loans we have, like at what point that's why inflation exists.

SPEAKER_16:

Uh you know, what you use inflation to devalue the currency, and when that money is worth less, you know, if if um if you have a hundred thousand dollar loan or a hundred thousand dollars in debt today, but in ten years that hundred thousand dollars you know it is equivalent really to two hundred thousand, well, then your debt doesn't mean as much. So that is that's why ever since we got off the gold standard, uh the government has seemingly done everything possible to continue inflating the money supply because it devalues the national debt, yeah, their own debt.

SPEAKER_03:

But the the thing is, at a certain point that you hit an impasse and you just can't pay it.

SPEAKER_16:

Well, at a certain point, you end up with hyperinflation, like in the Weimar Republic, yeah, or like even in those South American countries and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_03:

But so so at a certain point that does happen, and we are still just giving money out to these social programs, like we are. We're also giving how much money to foreign aid still. We're still fine. That's what I meant. Like when when when Elon came in and he made it like we're gonna like what what was that program he came in with? Doge when Elon uh Doge, right? The the Department of Government Efficiency, and they start finding hundreds of millions of dollars going to all these programs through USAID and all this stuff. It's not like we actually cut that funding off, we just moved it to different places. It's not like we went and we were like, okay, we're wasting billions of dollars over here, so let's let's stop wasting that money. No, no, no. We just moved that money to the State Department, and the State Department pushed it into other places, and it's still getting used in NGOs, and we're still like manipulating countries to overthrow their freaking elections and do the same crap we were doing under Biden. Nothing has changed under Trump. Nothing. The only thing that has actually changed under Trump is they stopped pretending woke was real. Basically, that's it. That is it. The only thing that is different under Trump, they stopped pretending woke was a thing, so you don't hear about men and women's sports anymore. And everybody's like, Oh, things are so much better under Trump. It is identical, nothing has changed on foreign policy, nothing is nothing has changed at all substantively under Trump. Nothing at all.

SPEAKER_16:

So, like, I don't I don't know what they got some creative zoomers running social media accounts, and that's about it.

SPEAKER_03:

That's it. Oh, and and I get no immigration. The border, the border isn't flooded like it was under Biden, and but even the amount of deportations we're doing, they're showing it to you on TV as if we're doing these crazy deportations, they don't even post the numbers on that stuff. No, they're not even they're not deporting that many people, they're really not. If you if you want to hear about economic collapse, I'll talk to my wife. I'm just saying, it's nothing has changed under Trump. That's all I'm telling you. It's identical, nothing's changed, everything's the same. We're heading towards the same fiscal wall that we were under Biden, nothing's different. So I don't know. I I I like to a degree, I'm all like, I'm like, just cut this stupid EBT program off because we can't afford it. But it's not like they're actually going to do that, like they're just not. I don't know. I didn't watch the whole thing. I just I thought it was kind of funny the first the car crashed, and I was like, all right, it's probably women driving.

SPEAKER_16:

Probably women driving. Okay, I got a good one. We'll see if they get this one.

SPEAKER_03:

Right, and there goes the uh there goes monetization on the video. It's probably enough of that one. Who do you guys think that one is?

SPEAKER_16:

They seem uh split on it.

SPEAKER_05:

It's Rob.

SPEAKER_16:

I uh I used to love house actually.

SPEAKER_03:

No one's Rob. That's not me. Well, I wouldn't put I wouldn't purposely put music in because I know music actually destroys the probably yeah the video. Um I put a ton of EBT videos in.

SPEAKER_16:

I was gonna say yours are all the exact same thing over and over.

SPEAKER_03:

Um well no. All right, so if you go uh if you go to the um no, go to fire news. Go to the one that says fire news, and then the one on top of it.

SPEAKER_16:

I was thinking of okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, go to fire news because let's watch this one. This is actually one we're gonna have commentary on.

SPEAKER_08:

What's up?

SPEAKER_07:

Okay, where's uh where's the knife? Okay, give it a okay. I need you to take it out of your pocket and give it to me right now, sir. I need you to take the knife out of your pocket. Give it to my property, sir. I need you to take the knife out of your pocket.

SPEAKER_16:

Um I'm trying to I can bring here the show.

SPEAKER_03:

There it was. There it was. There it was. Now let me just tell you something. This guy died because of the woman. Yeah, 100%. If that was a male cop, that guy is still alive, most likely. But the fact that they send a woman in there, there's and there's a male cop right there. Like, why are you letting them? Well, yeah, the male cop is the one who had to shoot the guy. Like, what but like why are you letting the woman approach this guy? Like, um what and what uh you know what? Um man, I'm tempted to send you something, but it's so bad. There was a a female cop who died because she saw a car wreck, and a car flipped over, and she got out of her patrol car to go and help them. And another car in oncoming traffic came, hit her, caused another pile of because she didn't handle the situation properly. She didn't park her car as a barrier with the lights on to make sure that she she saw an accident, she panicked, she jumped out, and she got hit by oncoming traffic. Like, this is it is so beyond dangerous to have women out on patrol. It's insane. Like, I don't understand this. All right, let's see what uh uh now that Frad is in with the white hat owner and we are all mad. Are we leaving the other site owned by the man what uh man wed white hat that purchased the children you raise a substack? I don't okay. Do they do video on Substack?

SPEAKER_16:

I don't know. Are they don't do that? Don't they do streaming with live chat?

SPEAKER_03:

The problem is that we kind of set our base on locals, and it's like look, there's a very big difference in like you use locals for your after show, and they take a little bit of your cut versus our paycheck comes from you know what I mean. There's this there's just a difference in that, and even Substack is probably owned by those white hats, too. Probably every one of these things are that, but that's very different from people telling you what you can and can't say. Now, we may get to a point where Ruben is so worried about the anti-Semitism that he tells us we can't talk the way we do, and then we'll have to figure it out from there. But I think he cares about money more than he cares about free, like more than he cares about anything, and he makes a lot of money on that. And if that becomes not the not the free speech platform, he'll lose a lot of money. Yeah, here's one. That might have been mine, I forget.

SPEAKER_16:

We got an ant, we got a rob. We got both. Rob, Rob, it was mine, it was mine.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, so uh the one above that that uh the fire news one, the Colin Rug one. Play that. No, not even this one. This is the Colin Rug one. No, the one below it. I mean that one's good, don't get me wrong, but the one below it.

SPEAKER_16:

Okay, but that was the Colin Rugg one. Yeah, yeah, but they're both of them. Oh, the other so many videos in here. Okay. So obviously this one's for me. But yeah, this one's for me.

SPEAKER_03:

So, woman who purposely plowed into an NYPD officer because she wanted to teach him a lesson, sentenced to two years in prison. Like she did that on purpose because he was walking in the road and she was pissed off about it. She's going the wrong way. Part of the fatigue is that the this culture. Post the one that you were gonna post. Okay, but that's because that one will lead into this one and my commentary on it.

SPEAKER_01:

I just wanted to come real fast just to make this video, just to make something very, very clear to the white man. Black Americans do not care about your government shutdown, and black Americans do not care about you taking away our EBT and our government assistance because black Americans never depended on the American government to take care of us and feed us because we never could. We were never able to depend on the government in spite of what you may say and what you may try to force us to believe. So you can sit back and you can mock, you can laugh, and you can think that you're about to starve us to death. But I'm here to let you know that we are going to eat regardless.

SPEAKER_16:

First off, is this the main actor from uh uh from Wicked?

SPEAKER_03:

It looks like her. No, this is the I'm the Captain Now guy. Throwback from last night. I'm the Captain Now. He's the guy running for mayor in in Minneapolis.

SPEAKER_01:

We have to hunt you animals down and roast and eat you, the delectable crackers and cheese. We will make it happen if we have to trust and believe me, and if it takes this government shutdown for black people to finally come from under the government and understand that we don't need to be paying our taxes into this government, what we really need to be doing is taking care of one another.

SPEAKER_03:

Wait a minute, pause what taxes are you paying? Huh? What taxes are you paying into the government, honey? You don't pay taxes. Like you don't pay taxes. What are you talking about? In what world are you? We are not paying in taxes into this government, you idiot. Like you, I'm just dude, this whole culture, like there's no sense of right and wrong. Like, all of them willing to go and steal from if I don't get my EBT, I'm gonna go steal. What if I come in your house? Not a single one of them have any sense of oh, I shouldn't do that because it's wrong. Like, not one of them are in a in a situation where they are taught your character is who you are when no one is looking, right? Like that is actually who you are. How you how you behave when no one is looking, that is who you are. It's just completely absent from this culture, and it's you know, we can blame it on hip-hop music, we can blame it on whatever we want, but it is just like I I what world are they living in where that oh we're not gonna pay our tax. I've seen other ones where they're like, we're gonna go on strike and we're not gonna we're gonna boycott. It's like boycott what? Like, what do you think you contribute to the economy in all seriousness? I'm not saying no black people, but like as a as a group, like the majority of messy sales just demolished, gone.

SPEAKER_16:

The majority, no, they steal that too, don't they?

SPEAKER_03:

No, but Rob, here's the thing: the government shutdown, what you're realizing is the majority of those government jobs are filled by people in these communities, like the the majority of them. Oh, yeah, yeah. And part of the reason that that's the case is because if you don't give them these government jobs that require hardly anything to do, they'll be out robbing all of us. So it's almost like we're our taxes are going to pay these people to go to some BS job that they don't really need, just so that they have something to do, so they're not out killing us. That's the majority of these government jobs. And when we talk about the AI takeover, like the AI takeover could easily happen with all the especially these government jobs. Like, we don't need all these IRS agents, we don't need any of this stuff because AI could take care of all of it, but we're still gonna keep these government jobs going because if you don't keep the black people working, they're gonna start robbing the white people, they're gonna start killing us. That's that's really where we're at.

SPEAKER_16:

Yeah, all I'm gonna say is um my white American AR-15 firing white American 556 rounds won't care if you're a black American or not. So stay out of my house.

SPEAKER_04:

Dude, it's this this is, I don't know. We're uh I don't know where we're going as a country, as a culture. Yeah. This stuff is not.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't know what we do. Like, I I don't know. I really don't know what happens. I especially like that's why I think you're right about the Republicans caving on November 1st, because I don't think we understand how bad it'll get.

SPEAKER_16:

I I think we do, yeah, yeah. I really do think we do.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't think the majority of Americans, especially like liberal white people, I don't think they have any idea what they're I mean.

SPEAKER_16:

I'm trying to, I'm I I mentioned this at work. I'm like, you guys, you guys ready for this weekend? And they're like, What do you mean? Like uh food stamps get turned off on Saturday, and they're all like, Oh, oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm like, because you because you think you don't need food stamps, like you're living little you're next to little Somalia. You guys, all of some all the Somalians get cut off from their food stamps. What do you think happens? Like, what do you think happens?

SPEAKER_16:

Well, um, let me provide a a zoomer white pill to everyone here. This is I don't I don't know what the Zoomers are doing, but the caption for this was uh what was it? Um the world has no idea how powerful right wing propaganda is about to become is that major in white monster that's majority, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

But like the even the the name of that drink white monster, like it has become such a white Gen Z drink. It's like a freaking white monster, like it's just so funny. It's white Wakanda drink, yeah.

SPEAKER_16:

Agartha anthony ant doesn't even know what a gartha is, probably.

SPEAKER_03:

I have no idea. Watching all this stuff.

SPEAKER_16:

Um if you if you're bored when when you're trying to fall asleep, google a YouTube video on a gartha and just just listen to it. What is it? Um you've heard of hollow earth theory? No, no, so it's the theory that there's um holes into the center of the earth at both poles, and inside of the earth is a civilization run by ancient Nordic peoples that allied with the Nazis called Agartha, and that's where all the UFOs are coming from. It's all it's these these these Nazi flying machines from the center of the earth.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh my gosh. Oh, the white, the the Gen Z white lore. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_05:

Um it's it's funny, the young ones are loving it, or and then and then you got people like, yeah, getting too old for this.

SPEAKER_03:

Somebody said, I can't believe I'm seeing this on avoiding Babylon boomer boomers. What is what'd they say?

SPEAKER_16:

Um, where was it? I never expected to see an Agartha edit in avoiding Boober Lawn. Um next, next we're gonna do the uh hyper B and uh or the oh what is it? The um something finno hyper war. Yeah, we'll get there, guys. Don't worry.

SPEAKER_04:

Um, let's see. Was there any others that we should go over?

SPEAKER_03:

I don't know, it was mostly EBT stuff from me.

SPEAKER_16:

I was gonna say I tried to switch it up a bit, and you just no food stamps means no more weed money.

SPEAKER_03:

Snacks and weed are the only things that stop people from sending you to meet your makers. So you must so you make sure to be not like it's just I will. I was just trying to show the black fatigue, like it's you know, it's just it's getting real. So, um, all right. I think we're going to uh we're gonna wrap this one early tonight because uh you don't want to discuss the Claven clip. Well, you want to do that over on locals? Well, I guess that's what I uh I that's what we can do that on locals. If we go to locals, we'll do we'll do like 15 minutes over there, and I have actually like one video that I didn't even put in the chat that I'm gonna send over that we can only do on locals because it's actually like I don't want to I do not want to see a woman getting hit by a car, man. I no, it's nothing like that. It's actually about a content creator, a Catholic content creator, that I would never do on YouTube because I don't want to hurt their feelings.

SPEAKER_16:

Oh, I'm sure if we do it on locals, it definitely won't make it to them.

SPEAKER_03:

I hope you guys won't route us out. I hope you guys won't route us out because I think this needs to be discussed.

SPEAKER_16:

What which oh no, I don't even know what you're talking about.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, it's like getting because I keep I have a friend who keeps sending these to me like they're I'm getting Rick rolled. And he's like, he's like, I know the last few days have been rough. He texts me, he goes, Tough day yesterday for Catholics, man. Hoping this cheers you up, bud. And he'll send it to me. And he does this all the time to me. And I'll I'll click on it, not knowing what it is, and then I click on it, and I go, I just got I got the cat, I got the equivalent of a Catholic rick roll. So we'll do it over there. We'll do it over there because I won't do it on YouTube because I I don't want to hurt this person's feelings.

SPEAKER_16:

Hold on.

SPEAKER_04:

Um what are you what are you reading? Oh, Eric Salmon sent me something.

SPEAKER_16:

Like something from someone else for you to look at, or like you said he's talking about how I handled the friend situation. Grandpa Salmon. Oh, okay. I'm just I'm just yeah, we're cutting things off. Yeah, let's go locals.

SPEAKER_04:

He's out of his mind.

SPEAKER_16:

We're not on supporters only, yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

He's out of his mind.

SPEAKER_15:

I don't think he actually watched our show.

SPEAKER_16:

Most people who decide to come on comment on it don't.

SPEAKER_15:

Yeah, I don't think he actually watched our show.

SPEAKER_16:

Okay, we got 30 seconds until locals make sense. Support us only.

SPEAKER_03:

I I've I Molly says do not let him get to you. I've accused him of compromising his faith so he can get a big payday with Daily Wire.

SPEAKER_16:

We never once did any such thing. Not once.

SPEAKER_03:

I've implied he'll be a shill for Zionism?

SPEAKER_16:

Not a single time.

SPEAKER_04:

I just like don't get these guys and just so I just I don't get it.

SPEAKER_03:

Like I honestly, Eric, you run you run Crisis magazine, dude. Not everything is about the Jews. We we flat out disagree when it comes to this issue.

SPEAKER_16:

That's like because he's he's really just um a libertarian boomer con at heart, man.

SPEAKER_03:

He call he called it effeminate behavior. I mean giving up your independent Catholic media outlet because a lot of hard work before he was given I overreacted before he was given a chance at Daily Wire. No, they're like Eric, you don't do not understand this issue, man.

SPEAKER_16:

I'm not trying to like reveal my personal text with him, but like man, these guys just don't get this issue, which is why he's had no growth in the last three years, and it's not I'm not doing it for growth. No, no, no, I know, but I'm just doing it because it's actually the uh an important thing to discuss. I'm not doing it for that, like people realize which is why we've seen growth. Plus, I like to think we're somewhat entertaining, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

But I like he he's him saying I'm leading the charge against Matt. I'm not leading any charge against Matt.

SPEAKER_16:

What did I you hardly commented on it yesterday on Twitter?

SPEAKER_03:

Like, what charge am I leading? I don't get what I'm talking about. Like, I we did a show on it, but he clearly didn't watch the show.

SPEAKER_15:

Yeah, he clearly didn't watch the show.

SPEAKER_06:

I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_16:

Adrian's got a good point. Or no, uh no, it's Brian. Ever notice the most physically weak looking guys are the ones that call people effeminate? You're not wrong. And someone goes, Yeah, except they tend not to do it in person, only online.

SPEAKER_03:

I um I'm I gotta think about how I'm gonna respond to that because he wrote me like a paragraph.

SPEAKER_16:

Just tell him I'm not gonna read this until you actually watch the show. I'm serious.

SPEAKER_03:

Uh, why am I why do I care which salmon thinks? He's barely holding this the shit show together. He's because I actually do take um fraternal correction seriously. Like it's not that I'm stressing with salmon's things, it's that I when whenever somebody tries to like privately reach out to me and fraternally correct me, I try to take what they're saying seriously. Um, but this is just one of those things where he he's not first off, he didn't listen to the show, and he just doesn't get this issue.

SPEAKER_16:

He's too busy worrying about Bitcoin.

SPEAKER_03:

He just doesn't get this issue. He's checked out when it comes to like what actually matters to people in the show. I just he's just completely checked out of it.

SPEAKER_16:

Oh, someone's got a great idea. Send the uh clip, send them the the Fuentes clip. I ain't reading that. I'm happy for you or sorry it happened.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't know that clip. Don, you're a boomer too, man. Like I you're you guys, you're older Gen X, man. Like you guys don't understand how brainwashed you are on this topic. Yeah, I hate to say it to you, man. You guys just you don't know how powerful propaganda is, and you guys are just not good on this issue, man. It's it's just like I don't know, it's like uh it's a sacred cow for you guys, and it's a sacred calf. It's like too hard for you guys to like be like, oh man, no man.

SPEAKER_16:

This you know it is incredible how since how quickly since Francis died, so much of the trad media world has become utterly irrelevant and no one pays attention anymore.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05:

Patrick Coffin gets so if you guys are Patrick Coffin asking three likes.

SPEAKER_03:

Um, yeah, coffin two, same thing. Um uh all all those, all those guys, like they they just they think they're gonna talk about the things that they talked about in 2017, and people care. Like, it's we're on a different thing now. We're just on a different thing now. It's not like Francis isn't the Pope anymore. There's just other things that are interesting, not even just that other things are interesting, other things are more important and pressing.

SPEAKER_04:

I knew I was gonna get a headache tonight.

SPEAKER_03:

Um, it's uh yeah, I'll talk to him tomorrow. I'll I mean I'm not even gonna call him. I'll I'll just I gotta think about what my response is gonna be, but I because we tried to have him on the show to talk to him about it. Like I tried to have him on the show to discuss it with him.

SPEAKER_16:

It's like these guys seem like everything possible to weasel out of that conversation, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Like he wasn't even willing to actually hear the conversation. It's like, no, but could just because you have this opinion on this, and I I never accused he wasn't even he wasn't even willing to really say what he believed, he just didn't want to talk about it. But I also didn't accuse Matt of anything. No, I really didn't. I I said I didn't say Matt sold out the fame. Matt sold out, I didn't say any of that. I said no, him working there is going to compromise what guests he has on. And I'm sorry, Eric, he's already had guests on that are Uber Zionist. Even if Matt didn't espouse Zionism, he's already the guest list he's had on. Father Jason Sharon said we have a moral imperative to support Israel. Yeah, like like Eric doesn't the problem is Eric runs Crisis Magazine and he doesn't actually pay attention to what's going on in the Catholic world. He doesn't actually pay attention to what's happening in the Catholic world.

SPEAKER_16:

Well, okay, and also he is beholden to donors, and those donors are probably some of the same donors that Gavin Ashington is beholden to.

SPEAKER_03:

Look, I was very this is why I'm trying to tell people that like this isn't a novice order issue. You're looking at Bishop Strickland yesterday. Congratulations, Matt. Deacon Nick Donnelly, congratulations, Matt. This is an excellent move for Matt. This is a generational divide here. Yeah, it is. It is a generational divide here. You are talking about guys that are above a certain age do not get this issue, they're incapable of seeing it. They are just incapable of seeing this issue. If you're above a certain age, if you're over 50 years old, you are cooked on this issue. You just don't get it. The guy runs Crisis magazine, and he will not discuss the actual crime. He's like, Well, Jeremiah Rideau, I've been accused of anti-Semitism along with Dave Smith. You are a libertarian, dude. You are not talking about this from a Catholic perspective at all. You're talking about it from a monetary monetary perspective, and that's just not Catholic. I don't care about the money our government's giving to them. Do you know how much money we waste? 3.8 billion at Israel? Who cares? It's 3.8 billion. Do you know how many billions of dollars we give away?

SPEAKER_16:

Walmart makes 25 billion a year on food stuff.

SPEAKER_03:

We just gave we just gave 20 billion to uh to Argentina or Venezuela, wherever. Like we we we do this all the time. I don't care about the three billion dollars we give to Israel, they don't need our three billion dollars either. It's like it's almost like that three billion is meant to just like keep that as the conversation or something, like it has nothing to do with that. Play the clavin clip clip. Yeah, play the claving clip. You want to tell me I'm I'm wrong for being suspicious about not going there? Play the freaking claving clip.

SPEAKER_16:

Uh FYI, warning anyone who who hasn't seen this, this is basically just outright blasphemy.

SPEAKER_00:

Let me tell you what the Holocaust was, and this will drive some of you crazy, but it's true. The Holocaust was the crucifixion on IMAX. It was for those who missed the point the first time that this is who we are, this is who people are, that we will take God. If if you don't think that Jesus bled when little children were led into a gas chamber, you don't know who Jesus Christ is. I don't care what you say. I don't care how many times you tell me Christ is king, you do not understand what is going on.

SPEAKER_16:

You know, when when you pour He just said that the Holocaust, more or less, was more important than the crucifixion.

SPEAKER_03:

This is Holocaustianity. This is them thinking the Jews as a collective paid the debt for man's sins, they were sacrificed as an offering for them for man's sin. Jews as a collective, not the man Jesus Christ. It's like it's it's insane.

SPEAKER_16:

Now anything Fred is gonna be going making money for a company up for a per for-profit company that believes that. Not just that Robinson. I'm not I'm not I'm not saying Fred believes that or or will say anything like that or or say anything against the Catholic faith, but you cannot tell me that there is not a moral problem with making money for a company that promotes that.

SPEAKER_03:

As Father Ripper, is there a moral issue with that? Dude, everybody's making a big deal out of getting platformed by Tucker Carlson. Matt Fratt interviewed Claven two times in the past six months. That's who you're platforming. Like Matt Fratt, before you signed the deal, you platformed him two times in six months. And I'm I gotta feel bad. You got I'm it's a joke. Catholic Catholic commentary is a joke. This is why Nick Fuentes is the most influential freaking Catholic and he doesn't do Catholic commentary.

SPEAKER_16:

There is no single Catholic moral principle that would say that it is more disgusting for Tucker Carlson to have that interview with Nick Fuentes than it was for Matt Frad to platform Claven. I'm sorry, but you can't if anything, thank you, Eric Salmons. You have made us more radical on this issue.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm just saying, like the guys, the guys in our like our peers are so clueless about what is happening right now. Yes, they're all they are they'll be left about what is actually this is why all of them, this is why like all of them are fla floundering right now, like they don't know what to do.

SPEAKER_16:

They're they're like uh let me should should I do another literally have a group of them having to team up and pull resources to try to survive.

SPEAKER_03:

Should we should we do should we talk about should we talk about synodality? Should we talk about uh the the the the like humanism at the Vatican? Like none of them know what to do right now. None of them get it. Eric dude, go look on Crisis magazine on Crisis YouTube channel. Go look at his last video, or the last 10 videos, they're all go just but specifically the last one. Did he tell me he did an aliens among us video? Yes, with his with his corny ass take on aliens that oh wait, guess what?

SPEAKER_16:

When I search crisis on YouTube, it doesn't come up.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm not trying to be mean to you, Eric. Like, this is just such like, do you even understand what is happening in the culture at this point? Morality of food stamps. What does he got? 600 views, aliens among us, a thousand views six days ago. I'm stude. I'm I'm not, and I'm not I'm not trying to be mean or anything, it's just like like you're looking at like all-time videos now, so he'll have some of you know, when you go down there, you're gonna see some from nine months ago, four years ago. But it's not I'm not trying to say anything negative. I'm I'm trying to say like you guys don't understand where the culture's going right now, like and and and you're you're you're not going to actually have any influence over the conversation. You're missing it. You're missing out on the most important freaking conversation happening in the in in the church right now. It's no different than what Leo's doing at the Vatican right now with the freaking boomers and doing his ecumenical crap. These guys are all gonna be left in their generation and missing out on something because this conversation is extremely important. It's not just oh Nick Fuentes is talking about this. No, this is that dude. Like, we started talking about this long before we ever looked at a Fuentes video, yeah. Long before that. Like Nick just happened to bring this conversation into prominence, but we have been talking about this for two years on our channel, like slowly hinting around about it, trying to figure out how we're gonna bring this conversation up. And you want to know who radicalized me on this stuff was Scott Hahn. Like Scott Hahn learning learning about the story of the elder brother from Scott Hahn is where I learned this stuff from. It's not like I learned it. Where do you think I learned this stuff from? It's it's man, it's not just that like I have my finger on the pulse, it's more like we we know how to be entertaining, right? So, like 80% of doing a podcast is you have to be entertaining. Like tonight, we didn't talk about anything theological or anything that's on the we were just goofing around tonight. So, like your show has to be major made like a majority entertainment, and then you can have like sprinkling in of something profound, something like deeply important, but for the majority of it, it's you want your audience engaged and entertained. That's just what podcasting is, and these guys were all good when it was hot news story after hot news story because it was easy to discuss the latest controversy in the Vatican because Francis was saying some wild crap every other day. It's like Easy to freaking get big when that stuff's happening, but to actually put something on when there's no news, when there's a slow news day is a very different thing. Where Eric's resorting to um aliens. Let's talk about oh, let's talk about aliens, dude. You're not even you even talk about aliens, and we'll make aliens interesting. Your take on aliens is retarded. You have the worst take on aliens ever. You may as well do, dude. I'll tune into Jimmy Aiken. Yeah, at least Aiken's his retardedness is entertaining. He's talking about bestiality and stuff and baptizing them and freaking weirdo. But Eric, you're just like aliens would not contradict the Catholic faith. You, dude, you you were you are a an evolution-believing, alien-believing libertarian who thinks the Jews are our friends. Are it's like you don't even get what the church was doing by calling the Jews our elder brother, it was a freaking insult at the council. What do you think that means, the elder brother? They're calling them Cain. It's actually the proper term for them. You're Esau. Yeah, you're our elder brother. Come on, Esau. Let's go. The Jews don't actually like us using that freaking reference anymore.

SPEAKER_16:

Took the moral catch on, but they did catch on, yes.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm not trying to bury Eric. That's the thing. It's just like, dude, this issue is important to me. And when I see somebody who I've actually watched for years, because I like Matt, Matt is my age, literally the same age as me. I've watched Matt for years. I'm watching the conversations he's having, and we've been talking about this issue for two years now, and then Matt goes to the Zionist freaking platform, and you expect me not to talk about it, saying I'm leading a charge.

SPEAKER_16:

I love how to say like salmon's and others, they're most of the time fine with um, you know, criticizing the Pope, the vicar of Christ, on any number of issues. But you criticize Matt Frad for going to work for a man who called Jesus a a rebel who who who you know was punished. Are you joking me? I have no problem with criticizing the pope, but if I can criticize the pope, and if you think you can criticize the pope, I sure as the hell can criticize Matt Frad for being a traitor.

SPEAKER_03:

Freaking great point, man. Holy crap, great point. You freaking criticized the Pope of the Catholic Church for freaking how many years, and you're mad. I'm criticizing Matt Frad. Are you out of your mind? Yeah, it's insanity. It's nuts. Come on, are you serious?

SPEAKER_16:

Like, I still choose as Leo the Pope to Eric to Eric Sammons and the Pope.

SPEAKER_03:

I still don't really criticize Leo. Like, I'll make comments about Sonatal Church and things like that, but like he's the Pope, man. Like, I'm trying not to freaking criticize the Pope. Like, I just am. I still have reverence for the office. I think he's the Pope. And I'm like, all right, you know, this kind of stuff is wacky. I'm watching Eric post about the I'm gonna actually quote tweet Eric's tweet about the Pope today. I'm gonna say, you're leading the charge against the Holy Father of the Catholic Church. But Matt Frad is off limits. Matt Frad is off limits, but you can lead the charge against the holy father.

SPEAKER_16:

It's it's a very disordered, inverted.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm not leading a charge against Matt about anything, man. That's not what I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_16:

No, I hope it works out for him.

SPEAKER_03:

I do too.

SPEAKER_16:

And I I'm like, we're one-tenth the side of the size of him, and we understand as much work as we put into this, and as difficult it is, I can't imagine how hard it must be for him. And to be able to just to to push it all off, like good for it. Like, I get it, I do. It's the choice of who you're doing it with. I I have an issue with, but I hope it works out for you, man. I hope it lets you take care of your wife better.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, this kind of like so somebody just posted uh Eric's being obsessed with the Jews, either thinking they must be defended at all costs or thinking they're behind everything is evil, a sign of mental illness. That was a that was a that was about me.

SPEAKER_16:

Being obsessed with the Pope, either thinking he must be defended all at all costs or thinking he's behind everything evil is a sign of mental illness, Eric Sammons.

SPEAKER_03:

Eric, um he he he reacted to people criticizing Taylor the same way. Like when he has a friendship with somebody. I I get it. He's defending his friend. It's just he's a friend with Matt Fred.

SPEAKER_04:

I don't know, man. He's he's you know he's he's would he defend you that way?

SPEAKER_16:

I don't think he would. Not anymore. It's just Molly. I really hate it when people make me want to defend you.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, we it hasn't come to that yet because nobody really says anything about me publicly. Like the I don't know how we've managed because we do a lot of criticizing here.

SPEAKER_16:

Flaming loft and like you flamed loft and tends to keep people off our back.

SPEAKER_03:

It's like people do tend to stay stay because I know people have wanted to go after us, but they almost did today. People do tend to not go after us because we don't play like the other guys do. So I think that's why Eric probably I mean, uh, because whatever. I well you know Eric and I are friends, like we are friends, and I think that was actually probably the right thing to do is him to message me privately, but he's just wrong on this issue, man. He's just so wrong on it.

SPEAKER_16:

These he's just wrong. Molly Molly's got a point. People don't go after us because we're not afraid to talk about anything publicly, and this once again goes back to having your Catholic lives and your normal lives separated. They're not used to Catholics, not worried about being seen as I don't I don't know. You and I we're confident enough in our Catholic faith to be willing to just say whatever we want to say publicly, as long as it's not inherently immoral, right?

SPEAKER_03:

Dude, it's it's so interesting. Like I think I know what you're going for. It's like I'm not I'm not gonna play nice just because I'm a public Catholic. No, there's something about the way some people handle criticism. It's like like they're they're so agreeable, like they're women, like like women are super agreeable, and they'll kind of let everything slide when they're in a public format, not privately, like not when you're arguing with your wife, like your wife's gonna be a whatever, but like women in in public scenarios, like it's the same reason why you get all of this like HR stuff, like human relations stuff. It's like, well, you can't be offensive, I can't be offensive. It's like you can't be offensive. It's like, dude, I am like I am a construction worker from New York, and when something's on my mind, they talk about it. Like, this is how my family handles uh conflict, this is just how we handle things, and I'm not I wasn't even being disagreeable, I wasn't even being confrontational with Matt. I think this is a very important issue, man. And to get one of the biggest Catholic voices, one of the most influential voices, another one because you already have Frad and Wall, uh uh Knowles and Walsh over there. And I think Knowles, if he didn't work at Daily Wire, like Knowles would be awesome on this issue, dude. He will I know he would be good on this issue, and he's not because he works for Ben Shapiro, and he's a and he's agreeable, and he doesn't want to cause any controversy.

SPEAKER_16:

Most Catholics, I think, forget this whole these verses exist, right? They think we have to all be all friendly and nice, you know, nice out in public, but that's not what Christ was like. I mean, Christ told Christ told the the the Pharisees, they were the children of Satan. Yeah, and dude, and he did it because he loved them, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And and and more than that, Eric doesn't know about all of the um he doesn't know about all of the passive aggressive shade thrown at us by Trent and Matt either. Where like they'll they'll text me like they're my friend, but then like never ever even mention our names publicly ever. Yeah. Sorry.

SPEAKER_16:

Oh, wait, wait, wait. What was the thing you were we were gonna maybe talk about in here before Salmon sent you that? The other Catholic thing, huh? Yeah, the Rick Roll thing. Um, interesting. On the show with Fred tonight. Here, I'll just throw this up. Claven says the Daily Wire is getting to be like the Vatican, but with straight people. I wonder how Fred responded to that. And it's that's ironic coming from the man who has a gay son.

SPEAKER_04:

Alright, I'm gonna put the thing we were gonna talk about in the chat.

SPEAKER_03:

Um, well, the thing is, Eric originally said to me, he goes, I was going to put this out publicly, but that's not the right way to do things. I'm gonna tell him no, you should put it out publicly.

SPEAKER_16:

Put it out publicly, I'll respond publicly.

SPEAKER_03:

You'll lose this argument, dude. Like, you're going to lose this argument. That's that's just I did you're just gonna lose this argument.

SPEAKER_16:

Um in crisis will be bankrupt in two years.

SPEAKER_03:

Don Don Don Don thinks we're just talking about this topic too much, but I I don't, I mean, I don't disagree with respect. No, I I don't either, but yesterday was a big deal. Like, I I don't I don't like we had to talk about it. Like, I don't know, and and honestly, like we we chose to talk about this for a while, and we don't do it obsessively. That's why tonight's show was a goofy laugh at video show. It's like that's not our main objective, but if something comes up, like it's kind of gotta be talked about. Oh man, I'll get I'll get Eric to put it out publicly, but I'll do it, I'll do it gently. I'll say I think you should put this out publicly because I think it's an issue that needs to be discussed. That's all. Um so um maybe I could share. So when when we had Maudsley on, yeah, um, I had said to him, I kind of like that we're a small channel and we're not that big. And he gave me advice and he said, Anthony, I know what you mean, but I'm gonna make a suggestion to you. Don't look at it like you want to stay small. Just always say the truth, just always speak truthfully. And if the channel's gonna grow, it'll be because God wants it to grow. And if it stays small, it'll stay small. But like, don't do something based on you want your channel size to you want your channel to stay a certain size or you want it to get bigger. Don't do anything for clicks or views, do something because it's true. Yeah, and 100%. And that's kind of what I did yesterday. And like, I it wasn't about insulting Matt. I think I was very gracious to Matt. I said, I don't want to put ill motives on him. I think Matt maybe doesn't understand this issue completely. I really don't think he does. I think he it's easy to get swayed to the other side and see the dangers of it, right? And I tried to present both sides, like there's two dangers here. One is you stir up enough animosity that another pogrom happens, and the other is you blind Catholics to the reality of the dangers. Those are the two situations, and you're gonna fall on one side of the argument or the other. And and Eric tries to play this silly loosey-goosey middle where he's like, Well, I'll criticize their foreign policy stuff, but I won't criticize Jews. Um, he did the same thing with Nick Fuentes, like he had this, he's like, Let's talk about Nick Fuentes. Well, I kind of like this about him, but I don't like this about him. Then today he's like he posts something about Nick and he's like, I think this is very fair of Nick, but I think Nick should give an apology. It's like, dude, you can't play this middle ground milk toast opinion all the time. Like sometimes you just have to give your opinion on something.

SPEAKER_16:

Yeah, it's very disingenuous.

SPEAKER_03:

It is, it's inauthentic, and that's why people I'm I'm gonna curry up to the Nick to the Nick followers, but then I'm gonna say something a little bit to cat to make sure I don't lose my follow. Like just be just say what you believe. Yeah, it's and it's not easy to do, like it is tricky to just come out and say what you believe sometimes because you you do like the dude. All of us that do this, we all suffer from like a little bit of vainglory, and you want people to like you, and it's like you just have to say, Okay, I'm just going to be me, and people are either gonna like it or they're not, and that's it. And you're gonna develop your own audience because you're just being you, and you can't just can't play the fence forever on on this issue specifically. So Eric's gotta pick a side. Eric's either gotta go in and start defending the Jews, or he's gotta, or he's gotta say, okay, look, there's something we gotta talk about here. And it can't just be from a strictly libertarian perspective. You're a Catholic, you're not a libertarian, you're Catholic first. And when you look at this issue, that's where it's really like that. Like this issue has to be looked at how the church has always presented it, to how that change with no shirt, like that is actually where the change comes. And you see when the church changes its position on this, what happens in Rome, and we watched that we how does he expect to to criticize and question Vatican II when he's unwilling to look into why like the roots of Vatican II?

SPEAKER_16:

Well, dude, even the SEDEs.

SPEAKER_03:

I I watched I watched uh Catholic Family podcast today, and Stephen Cox was on there, and Stephen Cox kept trying to like bring this issue up, dude. They're all afraid that they'll they'll talk about Leo, they'll talk about the Hindus, and they'll talk about that, but they're all like nervous to talk about this topic, and it's because they're all older guys, yeah, they're older guys, it's a generational thing, man.

SPEAKER_16:

Uh uh, yeah. Cedivocantism does not um it does not seem to be a zoomer thing, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04:

Like there are some, but uh yeah, it's more of an autistic thing, yes.

SPEAKER_03:

It's it's they're very stuck in what they want to talk about, and I like a lot of those guys, but they're just you know, it's just not addressing the actual issue. It's like okay, the Pope's face, it's not a real Pope, it's like oh whatever. Like he is the and whether he is or isn't like the guy in Rome, the world looks to is the bishop of Rome, and what he does matters, so like I don't care. Like, oh, he's just ignore him. Yeah, he's a fake pope. Well, then why are you obsessed with him? Why is all you do is comment on what Leo's doing there? It's like because it matters and it's important, and when the bishop of Rome invites all these different religions to Rome, yeah, he may he in your eyes he's not valid, but like, dude, he's the freaking bishop of Rome, and the whole world is looking to what the bishop of Rome is doing, and it's changed the entire world's posture on how we look at other religions, especially Catholics, because the whole Catholic world is looking to the Pope on this, yeah, and they're going, Matt's going, I could join the Daily Wire because look at what the Pope's doing in Rome. So, do you want to be a trad and really address this issue?

SPEAKER_16:

It does seem I don't know if hypocritical is the right word, but I'm gonna go with that because that's who I want to get at the moment. It does seem hypocritical that Eric Sammons wants to talk about living as a trad in every way except what trad Catholics, what traditionally Catholics thought about the Jews.

SPEAKER_03:

Believe, yeah. It's like this is if you want to get to the root of doctrine, like all of the doctrinal issues stem from the church's position on ecumenism. Yeah, like it is the it is the red flag of red flags from the council. It is the church's position on ecumenism and it's and its posture towards other religions. It has it has de like it is uh not de-elevated, de-escalated. I don't know, it is lowered lowered the esteem of cat Catholicism amongst the other religions and made it like it's just one among many instead of the one true faith. So even all you new zoomers that are converting and coming into the church, you're like, Catholicism is the one true church. It's like the church isn't saying that stuff anymore, man. And that's the danger, like that's what we need to be talking about, and it all stems from the Jews making us change our position towards other religions. Like, this is I'm sorry if you don't see that. I don't I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_16:

And I mean, as we show, as we showed with the the quote from um Mary Duvall, or or I think that's what the cardinal named with Modzi on Saturday. Like the Jews were trying to do this, like that quote was from 1928, like they would been trying for a long time, and it did not gain any ground until after the certain events narrative, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Right, until after the Holocaust narrative, and then they they kind of electing a Polish Pope who lived through through that whole event, and then the German Pope who was forced to join the Hitler youth when he was a kid, like this stuff all matters. Um yeah, I look, I whatever, man. It's just the thing is, like, I st I I still like Matt. Like, it's not like um I don't know, man. It's I the talk about effeminacy. It's like uh if a guy can't handle being criticized when he makes one of the most controversial decisions, it's such a controversial decision to join a platform that he knows the whole world is criticizing right now because of its Zionism. It's like how like I'm not allowed to I'm I'm being effeminate for talking about that. I don't think these guys understand what effeminacy is. I think you're being effeminate for not talking about it. I think you're afraid of the backlash for talking about the reality of the situation. Like, I went into that show. Look, I'll tell you right now, like, when we had Maudsley on, some of the things he said, I was like, ooh, ooh, you know what I mean? Like from right out of the gate within 30 seconds.

SPEAKER_16:

I was like, I texted you, I texted you. I'm like, 90 seconds in, and we can't put this on YouTube.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, it's so I'm like, and I'm like, I don't care. Like, honestly, he's the only guy I've ever talked to who actually talked about the Holocaust in that way. He is, he's the only guy I've ever talked to, he's the only guy I've ever heard talk about the discrepancies and the stories that came out. So it's like I'm gonna hear him out, and I'm I'm going to not be afraid to do that. Like, I'm going to let him say what he has to say, and I'm still trying to process it all.

SPEAKER_16:

And I mean, yeah, I I don't know if the historical claims he makes are true or not.

SPEAKER_03:

I try, I think they are. That's the thing. Like, I'm at the point where I think they are right, but it's still like I don't know.

SPEAKER_16:

Say they're not right, right? Say say those the the historical claims that he he's saying, say they're just factually wrong. That you're telling me he he's somehow an evil man for just for talking about it for just talking about it, for just looking at it. Yeah, for just talking about the man is the most pastoral priest I've ever I've ever met.

SPEAKER_03:

But but beyond that, like if it was any other event, there'd be no problem with looking into the way he's looking into it, and he's just looking into it, and he's going, Look, look at these discrepancies, like the idea that there were mass graves, like, there's just no evidence of it. Like, the evidence is not there, like the the what happened at Auschwitz was well documented by the Germans. The Germans were meticulous about their documents. He's like, when you look at the documents, there's no gas chambers, there's no that so it's like I'm not trying to be like controversial by saying that. It's just like, I mean, if that's the case, then this is the biggest freaking lie ever told. And look at what they did with that lie. Look at what they did with that lie, even if it's the truth.

SPEAKER_16:

Look at what they've done with the truth. Look at how they've used the truth for their own purposes.

SPEAKER_03:

It's it's just so nuts, man. That like it's just oh man, this issue.

SPEAKER_16:

Yeah, Mrs. Casey's right. The way he's handling his his suspension is is admirable to say the least.

SPEAKER_03:

Uh but the thing is, I also know when people hear that, especially they're hearing it for the first time, because I know how my reaction is to hearing it. Like, I know it's hard stuff to listen to, but the man is saying it because he he's not saying it to brew up hatred, he's saying it because he believes this is the truth, and he's like, I'm going to say the truth, and I lost my platform, I lost everything by saying the truth, but I don't care. I'm going to say the truth because he believes it's the truth. And when you know something's true, it's like Jesus Christ is the truth. So to downplay the truth is like to lie by omission, like this is serious stuff. That's all I'm saying. Like very serious stuff that we're talking about, and to just to just say that like I'm leading the charge against Matt Fred, that's not what I'm doing at all. Not at all. In any way. Because I've seen what happened to Knowles and Walsh, because I know what Walsh thinks by what he doesn't say. Like, I know what Walsh thinks by what he doesn't say, and he doesn't say stuff because he won't turn on his friend Ben Shapiro. Like he just he's got loyalty, and I understand that. Like I get that, it's the same reason Thursday won't talk about Matt. Yeah, but I know what Walsh thinks on this topic, and I know Knowles, if he was free to talk about this, the guy would be good on this topic. But once you work at a place like that, you have the loyalty to your boss and you have a loyalty to the company you're working for. So it's not that you will push a Zionist thing, you will just you will just leave things out, you will not talk about things, and that's kind of what they want. They want Catholics not talking about this because it's an it's an issue that it's the same reason the feds were spying on trad parishes. Because if Catholics can unite and be like, there's no organization in the world like the Catholic Church. So if if Catholics are awake to this issue, we are the biggest threat to Jewish power. Like on the face of the planet, we have always been the biggest threat to Jewish power, always, it's also the biggest threat to federal power, which is why the FBI, yeah, but it's also because there's so much Jewish influence in this in the FBI, and like it's it's all connected, like it's right.

SPEAKER_16:

But the FBI is like the know-nothing riots back in the 1800s was because the government was once again afraid of of the Catholics, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Like the Catholics when they're united on something, like they are they hold so much power, and it's the reason that like John Paul II pushed the solidarity movement in Poland. They know if the Catholics get together and they form solidarity, they can take down a communist government. Like, that's literally how much power we hold as Catholics. Yeah, if we're united on something, we have through boycotts. Like, look at look at you go back and you look at um the um the Christeros. The Christeros started as a Catholic boycott. The Catholics, like they were like, We're gonna boycott, we're gonna boycott the government here, and it was it started a freaking war. This is why there's this is such a contentious issue. This is why the this is why the Daily Wire is gobbling up Catholics. You think it's just it's just coincidence that they're getting Isabel Brown, that they got Matt Michael Knowles, Matt Walsh, and now they're going for Matt Frat. They're getting Trent Horn too, guys. They're getting Trent Horn too. Believe me, they're getting Trent Horn too. Trent will be the next one they get. I thought it was gonna be a 15-minute talk on the locals. We didn't even get dude. Our locals show is the best freaking after show ever. Thank you, Eric, for giving us an hour of freaking content. What I don't know what you mean by do I think Leo is a plan. I think Leo is just the guy they chose to succeed Francis, and he's he's just continuing on the Sonatal stuff, you know. But I don't care because I think that God has plans while while while they may have their designs on the church, God has his own designs for the church, and I still think worldly events can shape who Leo becomes. I still think that.

SPEAKER_16:

And it very well might be this issue, yes, because we have we have seen, no matter what he does with Jews and Hindus at the Vatican, that he is not in his, you know, a sh a shill for the state of Israel, anyways. So it might be this issue, who knows?

SPEAKER_03:

Uh Lizna says they want to be the sole source for Catholics and slowly but surely change our minds. A hundred look, there's two. I'm telling you, this is this is why, like, um it's not about trad, man. Like traders, yeah, they're they're they're they're they're they're good when it comes to the liturgy, and they're good when it you know talking about Catholic doctrine and stuff. But if you don't get this issue right and understand where the source of this is, you're you're not really trad. Yeah, exactly. You're just not really trad because this is the this is it. Like, and what and I'm sorry, but this is this is apocalyptic, man.

SPEAKER_16:

Should we read the the pre-55 prayer for the conversion of the Jews live?

SPEAKER_03:

Um, yeah, so uh so uh then says uh trads are a small percentage, but that's the point, right? So this the the reason it's so important that that groupers are awake to this is because you now you if groipers are awake to this and they see that, like now you just have to get them to see what they did in the church and they they come around on this issue, you know. Because this this it's like you know you want to see the liturgy the Jews took from us here.

SPEAKER_16:

Come here, come here on the Sunday.

SPEAKER_03:

That's really what it comes down to.

SPEAKER_16:

Um no, the the Catholic content creator you want to talk about would be boring, guys. No point to talk about it.

SPEAKER_03:

Um what the one thing, yeah. Yeah, who cares? Yeah, it's yeah, it would just it would just be mean, and he's so innocent. Like, um the whole pre 55 TLM movement. Well, the Father Maudsley says the first time he was introduced to the pre 55 uh holy week is what woke him up because he went, This is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen in my life, and I can't believe they took this from us. And that that stuff started before the council, like that stuff started it. It with the first, you know, like so Lefebvre went to the 62 missile because that was the last missile by John the 23rd. It's like, um thank you, Pope Francis, for restricting the Latin mass. That was insulting to Jews. Words matter when it comes to prejudice. Yeah. Look, it's been an it's been a development in Rob's and I and my thinking. Like it's not like me and Rob thought like this two years ago. It's kind of just been like a development of our understanding of this issue. Like we always were kind of like a little hesitant on the issue, right? Like, I mean, I think we were always like kind of like, eh, I don't know about the I mean, prior to becoming Trad, I was more or less a Catholic Zionist.

SPEAKER_16:

Me too. I was a libertarian Catholic Zionist, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So it's like it's been a development in our own thinking and our own conversations that we've had with different people, and and just like thinking back on some of the things that I learned when I was listening to Scott Hahn about all of those parables from Jesus when he would go through the gospels and he would go through the old testament stories and the typology of it, and talking about how every and then you go back, and I re-listened to the Joshua Charles Joshua Charles, the second episode he did with Dr. Finister. Yeah, and they go back through that half shekel at the temple, and they go they go back through it, right?

SPEAKER_16:

And it's like the so the how usury now turns men into coins.

SPEAKER_03:

That was that too. So, all right. So in the Torah, it gives permission for them to collect this half shekel for the um for upkeep of the priests, basically. But for for the Passover, right? So you gotta pay the half shekel to get the land for the Passover. They no longer mint that shekel, so they make a deal with Rome, and Rome allows them to mint this older coin, it's no longer Rome won't let them mint their own, right?

SPEAKER_16:

Because that would they would say they have sovereignty then, sovereignty and autonomy. You can't do that, but there's this old tire half shekel. We will let you mint, and that's all.

SPEAKER_03:

And that that half shekel has the image of Ball on it, right? So you have to think about when Jesus says, Show uh should we pay taxes to Caesar? Give me the coin. Whose image is on that? Oh, Caesars, give Caesar unto Caesars what's Caesars, and give to God what's God. Now, in the temple, there's an image of Baal on this half shekel. You're you're offering, you're offering what is Ball in the holy temple of God.

SPEAKER_16:

So people really have a very, very big must under misunderstanding of what is happening when Christ uh overthrows the tables of the money changers. He's not doing it because they're they're making money in the temple. What the they're what they're doing is they are ex trading, they're giving them images of balls in the court of the gentiles, right? Like it's about blasphemy in the temple of God. That's blasphemy in the temple is overthrowing the temple.

SPEAKER_03:

The temple is made up of three parts. The court of the gentiles is where the gentiles should be able to come and worship the one true God, and it's meant as a a foreshadow of the covenant going out to the gentiles, how the God of is how the how the messiah will come through the Jews and go out to the Gentiles, and the Gentile nations will one day worship the one true God. It is meant as a prefigurement of that, and the Jews the veil that gets the veil, right?

SPEAKER_16:

They get split is the veil between the court of the Gentiles and the inner court, right?

SPEAKER_03:

So so Paul talks about the dividing wall of hostility being broken down in Ephesians. We did this when we did the the the Danielic mystery. The Danielic mystery, right? The dividing wall of hostility is the outer court of the Gentiles, then there's this dividing wall of hostility where if you're a gentile and you cross that wall to the inner court, they will kill you, right? So Paul talks about how Christ brings down the dividing wall of hostility, separating the distinction between Jew and Gentile. Like the Gentiles are now part of the covenant promises, right? But the Jews were so adamant that they would never share the the the promises with the Gentiles, they didn't let the Gentiles in the outer court, and they just made it a place to exchange for the Roman um uh the Romanari for the Tyrian half shekel, and they're they're literally committing idolatry rather than letting the gentiles come in and worship the one true God. And it's like that it brings so much more to when Jesus is talking in John chapter 8, and he's telling them, He's like, If you were sons of Abraham, you would rejoice at my coming, but your father is the freaking devil, and like not getting this whole thing is man. When the Vatican is talking about how Jews and Muslims worship the same God, they are playing around with ball worship. They are doing what the Jews did in the outer court. When you see what Leo's doing in the Vatican this week, that's what the freaking Jews did in the outer court. That is why this crap is so dangerous, and that's why I say it's apocalyptic.

SPEAKER_16:

Same thing with with Catholic parishes flying the pride flag. That's just like that's just like having an image of Ball on the half shekel you're about to offer to God.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, everyone's welcome at that parish, but Jesus Christ, if you have a pride flag outside your parish, they the novus order, they have used to have pride masses. Like this is this is what this is apocalyptic, guys. This is not you're talking about the same crap that was going on in that second temple is happening in the Vatican. You're talking about the oh, like the abomination of desolation, like this.

SPEAKER_16:

You're right. The novus ordo is is like the money changers, dude.

SPEAKER_03:

They use it to celebrate pride masses, they use it to bring in whatever vehicle they want to bring in. It's a it's a freaking it's a oh man, it's it's blasphemy. Like some at some not always, obviously, the novice order can be celebrated properly, it's a valid Eucharist, but they they use it for that same purpose, of course.

SPEAKER_16:

It couldn't be used for that purpose if it wasn't valid, right? Yeah, it's it's the the mockery of it, but I'm just like dude, just like those the those half shekels, they were real silver, they would have been worthless if they weren't real silver.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm just saying, like, if you if you guys don't uh understand the severity of what's happening here, it's like, yeah, in some ways, like the sedes are right, like this stuff is crazy, you know. But yeah, they're right. But the the reason they're wrong is because this actual, these actually are the ministers of God, yeah. Like these actually are the ministers of God's covenant.

SPEAKER_16:

It wouldn't be a it wouldn't be so offensive if they weren't, yes.

SPEAKER_03:

Like these men do sit in the seat of Moses, right?

SPEAKER_16:

It would be meaningless if they weren't if it wasn't the church doing this.

SPEAKER_03:

These are the ministers of God, and they are doing this crazy, crazy crap, and they're leading God's flock astray, and they've been doing it for 70 years now. So, like to think that this will just continue on for another hundred years, oh, we'll just get a good pope in a hundred years, you know. We just gotta wait it out for all these conservative priests to become bishops. Like, you guys are nuts. It's not how this is going to play out. I'm just telling you, like, we are looking at a destruction of the third temple, and we are the third temple because you're talking about idol worship from the priests of the most high God. And if you think that is just oh, we'll just wait it out till the conservative priests get in, man. You guys are not paying attention. This stuff is coming to a head very soon. And when you and when you look when you take it into account of everything that's happening in the world, and even the stuff we're talking about tonight with our country, the way we spend money, and we're going to hit a freaking financial wall at some point, and it's just gonna be like we can't do anything else. There's gonna be the freaking battle of Armageddon amongst all these countries who are doing the same crap. You got this war brewing up in Ukraine right now, and Russia's involved, and China's involved, and we're gonna hit a dead end financially, and we're gonna go, we need another war so we can drum up our economy again, just like we did in World War II. This is this shit is coming to a head, guys. I'm just telling you. I don't care if you guys think I'm nuts, I don't care if you think I'm black pilling. This is what's happening.

SPEAKER_16:

I don't think you're nuts, and I I agree that yeah, it's coming to a head. I I would just I would just say that the parallels between this and in the Roman world in the late you know fourth century, early fifth century, very similar. You have a crisis in the church, we have the crisis now, they had the Aryan crisis. You had an immigration crisis, we have what we have now. You had the barbarians, you know, running up roughshod over Rome because the Huns were chasing them. You have money devaluation happening now. You had the Romans literally making their coins smaller and smaller because because the golden goose had stopped laying, you know, the golden eggs. Yeah, you know, so well, there could be a world of Christian, though. There could be a rebirth of Christian, though. Right, their world did end, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

That but that's reborn into Catholic and the thing is they didn't have nuclear weapons, and they didn't like the thing. That's very true. Like, we're talking about a level of destruction on the world. Like, I feel like the 20th century was a prefigurement of what's coming in the 21st, man. Like the the the level of death and destruction that mankind is capable of at this level, it's not the same as the Roman Empire. So you're talking about you're talking about the third secret of Fatima stuff, like like a city in ruins, the Pope walking over dead bodies, like what they've happened. Like, dude, you look at all the Muslims that are in Rome right now, man, like it's it's just just a flip of a switch, and and and that's it. There's uh it's just so simple that this stuff could happen. And I don't know how it's going to play out. I don't know, it could be over 20 years. I'm just saying, like, this stuff is coming to a head. I don't think it's 20 years because I think this I think that Trump is such a significant figure, and the way he is adored and worshipped, it just has such antichrist vibes, man. I don't know if he's the antichrist, but it's like some kind of pre-figurement to it, and I it's just I've never seen a figure like him in my life where people are just like, man, they freaking worship that guy, it's nuts. But all of all of this stuff, man, like uh the fact that he told us he was gonna end the war in Ukraine on day one before he even gets into office. On day one, before he's even in office, he's gonna end the war in Ukraine. We ain't ending nothing.

SPEAKER_16:

No, we sent a few hundred and well, at least a few tens of billion dollars more to them sends, bro.

SPEAKER_03:

We could send all the money we want until we actually get our boots on the ground and fight Russia hand-to-hand combat. That war is just gonna continue on.

SPEAKER_16:

And we don't want that, we don't want that, but it's going to be better just to give up Ukraine, but that won't happen. No, it won't.

SPEAKER_03:

It won't happen for what Nick Fuentes actually said today. He goes, You can't really just give up Ukraine because of the damage to the reputation of America that gives. Like, then all of our allies go, well, if they just abandon Ukraine, are they gonna abandon us too? Like, then you get the whole world turning on you if you abandon Ukraine, yeah. And then you really got to shore up and go, Okay, we're just protecting ourselves in the Western Hemisphere over here because which is what we sure are gonna turn on us, because they'll join Russia at that point.

SPEAKER_16:

Just make a new uh a new Monroe doctrine. Screw Europe, Western hemisphere is ours.

SPEAKER_03:

We're looking we're looking at nuclear war in the in in the near future, in my opinion. I just dude, just look at just watch the news, man. Look at the insanity every freaking day of what's happening in the world. Think about how Trump was gonna come in and defeat the deep state. The deep state's more powerful now than they've ever been. Nothing has changed under him. Nothing, nothing, absolutely. All you people who think Trump's there, Trump, he has done nothing. He's put a he's put a different face and gotten Republicans who would have been against all of this crap if Biden was in, they're going along with it because Trump is in. There's some of us that are awake to it and go, no, this is crazy. But like for the most part, MAGA goes where MAGA goes. MAGA goes where Trump goes. They don't care. They'll defend anything Trump does. Like, we're in we're in a weird place where we're like paying attention to this stuff, we're not falling for it. But like the majority of like the majority of people that are watching Fox News still, and you know, that's where they're getting their like they're not on Twitter, like they're falling for this crap. 100%. Yeah, like you're talking about like our Lady of Akita stuff. The living will envy the dead, fire from the sky, fire from the sky. Like, that's what we're talking about. If you you either believe our lady appeared in those places or you don't, if Adama and Akita are either true and happened or they didn't, and if they did happen, it's like that happened 1917. It's talking about over a hundred years ago, that apparition, and everybody like like do you think she just didn't mean it?

SPEAKER_16:

You know, and I really every day I believe more and more that one of the errors of Russia, and maybe even the primary error of Russia, is less communism and is more Zionism. Zionism was birthed in Russia by Russians.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah. For sure. Man, you get into all the revolutions they were behind and stuff. It's like I don't know. I don't know, guys. This is just this is how I feel. Crazy, only got 93 people in the freaking local side. You guys got a good one.

SPEAKER_16:

There was almost 120 earlier.

SPEAKER_04:

Look, it's exciting times that God chose for us to be alive.

SPEAKER_03:

Chose a very exciting time to be alive. That well, God chose for us to be alive at a very exciting time, and he chose for us to be alive at this time for a reason. So it's like this is like people think I'm blackpilling. I'm not blackpilling. I'm I'm like kind of excited to see how the story plays out, you know.

SPEAKER_16:

It's kind of like me with this weekend. I gotta go to the twin cities during a snap ride.

SPEAKER_03:

It might be terrible, but it might I might go blinking in Walmart, guys. Yeah, look, dude, like uh Brother Pig just said, all the Saints wanted to live in this time. Um, well, Molly, my theory is so Rob always asks me, he's like, if you really believe this, why don't you get out of New York? It's like part of me is like, well, if there's a freaking nuclear holocaust, like I want to die in the I want to die in the attack, like I don't want to live through that. And I would I'd rather me and my whole family get together, so I don't have to worry about marauding bands of rapists taking my daughters and stuff. Like, I don't want to live through that.

SPEAKER_16:

I'm the opposite. If society crumbles, I'm in this little town in the middle of the woods, and I have enough weapons to arm the whole city block and be their little warlord. Like, I see this as the greatest opportunity I could be given.

SPEAKER_03:

I I used to I used to fantasize about like living in a post-apocalyptic world. Now, if I was single and I didn't have a wife and kids, I'd still fantasize about because it's like, yeah, road warrior stuff, let's go. But when you got a wife and kids to protect, and your kids a little, especially, man, it's scary stuff.

SPEAKER_16:

It is scary, it's very scary.

SPEAKER_03:

Like when you got little kids, it's like you know, it's one thing to defend yourself, but like when you got to protect your wife and children, you know, God forbid your wife is like Jesus says, like, whoa, like uh man, you go to Matthew 24. What does he say? Woe to the women who are who are with child during this time and stuff, right? Go bring up Matthew 24. Yeah, hold on. Um, yeah, look, if I survive the original fallout, like I'm going right to freaking Minnesota.

SPEAKER_05:

I got an appointment.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I'm coming, I'm going to rob. I mean, I gotta get far away from the east coast. So I'm like me and Bobby are just gonna start heading west.

SPEAKER_16:

Um, and woe to them that are with child and they give suck in those days. But pray that your flight be not in the winter or on the Sabbath. For there shall be then great tribulation, such as hath not been from the beginning of the world until now, neither shall be. Then tell unless those days have been shortened, no flesh should be saved, but for the sake of the elect, those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ, or there do not believe him. For there shall arise false Christ and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, so so look, let's think about the turn of events we're talking about here. Talking about crazy war going on. Everything around us, you're gonna have rule wars and rumors of wars and chaos in the country where you're living.

SPEAKER_16:

It even talks about the rooftop Koreans, and then and then and he that is on the housetop, let him not come down to take anything out of his house.

SPEAKER_03:

So you're talking about all of this stuff happening, and then a and then an antichrist figure arising trying to bring order out of the chaos, right? Like this is the stuff we're we're heading towards right now. And I'm sorry, but if you don't if you think that's naive and you don't and you have apocalyptophobia, you're gonna be left in shock. You're gonna be you're gonna be like beside yourself. But this is the stuff that should be expected because this is how crazy things are getting. Shut up, Paul. I say roof the way I say roof, deal with it. Uh, in the catechism of St. Pius X, published 1908, he gives us one of the definitions of infidels, though admitting one true God, they do not believe in the Messiah, neither has already come in the person of Jesus Christ, nor has to come, for instance, Muhammadans and the like. In the year 1076, Pope St. Gregory the Seventh said in a letter to Al-Nasir, a Muslim ruler in North Africa, we believe in and confess one God, admittedly, in a different way. This is the traditional teaching.

SPEAKER_16:

Yeah. The whole whether or not we worship the same God is it is very complex and nuance. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, I'm not trying to give you guys fear porn. I'm just trying to um I don't know.

SPEAKER_04:

I don't know how we don't see it this way. I don't know how else to look at it. I might start saying roof just for the hell of it.

SPEAKER_03:

How else would you say it? I say roof. Catholic Esquire. Little liter uh Leo literally said our faith unites us to the Jews today. Um, I will be on with uh uh Stephen Cox and Catholic Esquire next Wednesday on Stephen Cox channel. Next Wednesday, 7 30 p.m.

SPEAKER_16:

Can you just try to explain to Steven that most of the issues people have with him aren't what he believes, it's just that he's just annoying.

SPEAKER_05:

I love Steven, dude.

SPEAKER_16:

He just comes off as unlike and I've I've messaged him. We've we've messaged privacy privately, and we're we get along just fine. And just what the way he portrays himself on Twitter is is obnoxious.

SPEAKER_03:

But I think a lot of people don't don't realize how they portray themselves on Twitter.

SPEAKER_16:

Like I'm sure I I know I'm an asshole on Twitter. I get it, guys.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I think that's just how people but I've had conversations with uh with Steven and uh yes, it's true. Everyone annoys me. So Steven, don't be offended. Yeah, don't at all. That's just Rob. It is just me. I've had I had a I had a conversation with him um the other day. We were and he's he's kind of laughing. He's like, I don't know, man. I got myself cornered into where like my whole audience is just sets and they're so autistic, and it's like they they think Steven is a plant that has been brought in to like talk to the SETA's to get them to accept like semi-tradism and root and recognize and resist and stuff, bro. The the sets are so out of their minds, dude. It's the funniest thing. They're so funny, man. I love them. Uh Catholic is like his trademark. You can't get a new hat.

SPEAKER_16:

Uh it's a problem with all Stevens. Well, at least one other Steven, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_03:

One we were gonna feature tonight that we didn't wait, how what noise did he make? Yeah, it sounded like Chewy Steve Cunningham, same way, 100%. Cunningham is exactly the same.

SPEAKER_06:

100%, you're right.

SPEAKER_03:

Steve, you meet him in real life, and he's a great dude. You talk to him on Twitter, and you're just like, You are such an a-hole, dude.

SPEAKER_16:

Every time I unmute him, it's with 24 hours until I mute him again.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, like the the people who like to who react to SETI is like they're Protestant, like just chill out, like they're just seeing this stuff going on, and they're like, I don't, I can't make sense of it. And this has to be a false religion. It's just I get it, like I get it. It's just I I I almost just think it's like even if their theory is right, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, and it's and and the they even prove that it doesn't matter by them focused solely on what's happening in Rome, like they're always so focused on what's if if like if what they thought was if their theory was actually true, they would just focus on their like they'd be like the end of the world's coming, and we're just gonna live our in our in our little parish, and we're just gonna deal with our legit hierarchy because everybody else is it's just it's not really coherent when especially when they talk about like there's no way to fix it because they don't think the orders are valid, and it's just it it they make more of a mess of it, in my opinion. Yeah, I think it's more what what Catholic Esquire posted yesterday. Right now, you have the church and the anti-church coinciding under one sac uh under under the same sacramental system inside the church right now. So you essentially have two churches in one. That's that's that's basically what's happening. That that makes more sense to me, where it's just you know, I don't know, but I could be wrong too. What the hell do I know?

SPEAKER_16:

Someone says this service memorandi says, guys, I went from nothing to converting as a sede to begin with, attending a Latin mass and a scouts cabin in Australia. No one has that kind of conversion story.

SPEAKER_03:

Wow. Um yeah, they're coming up together like wheat and tears. Um, but but look, I like I said, like I could be wrong too. Like I kind of think anybody that comes out and just is like adamant that their position is correct, like you're nuts to think that you know anything, man. Like none of us know what's happening right now. We just know something's crazy off, like something's off broken, something's broken, and God has to fix it. Like, we're not gonna fix it. So we can we can talk to people about it and we could kind of throw our theories out there and stuff, but like none of us know. None of us know. And when I when I sat with Kevin and Mario, I kind of said that to them. I was like, You guys have a really good theory, but it's like none of us know. Like what they're saying makes sense, it's at least consistent. Like, like the uh what's his name posted? Uh uh Father Altman posted something about the Bergolian sect or the Bergolian denomination. I'm like, dude, like play off dude, never mind. Like the Benny Plenis thing, I is it's like, all right, so you think like you either to me, it's like it's either the council it all went haywire, and it's like the 58th Sede position or the 62 Sede position is a more logical model, yeah.

SPEAKER_16:

Like that's consistent, at least.

SPEAKER_03:

It's like it's like, all right, the something happened, John the 23rd wasn't a valid pope because he was a Freemason, like that. That kind of makes more consistent sense to me. And it's like the whole council was nonsense, and it you know, it's a BS council, and all that like that makes sense to me. But to say, like, the council is like Father Altman will celebrate a novus ordo and then he'll denounce the novus ordo the next day, and it's like I don't know, he'll he's a con celebrating a novus order one day and then denouncing the novus order the next day, it just it's not consistent, that's all. Um, who are we punching down on?

SPEAKER_16:

Um, Molly realized what we were saying and at this and said, please don't tell me you were gonna go after CC. And I said, Well, okay, I'm not gonna tell you that. Well, no, um she said, I prefer when you guys punch up.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, well, I wasn't gonna go after him. It was just somebody somebody sends me those videos as a rick roll. Like, it's like I know you're having a bad day, dude. Someone else will cheer you up. Yeah, it's like it's a rick roll. It's like, dude, I know you're having a bad day. Things were rough yesterday, man. But just check this out, it's gonna cheer you up, and then I'll I'll click on it, not knowing what I'm getting into because they don't have an iPhone, so I don't see the preview. And I click on it, I'm like, he got me again. It's like who's doing that? Sweetest guy in the world. I would never I would never be mean, but I consider myself a Benny Sede on a technical on a technicality, but it's very nuanced. It's I'm not look, I get that too, but it's just I don't know, man. It's either oh because I still have affection for like John Paul II and Benedict, even despite their mistakes and stuff. Like, I still do have affection for them, but then when you read the Lefebvre interview and Lefebvre's like telling you like all the all the like the the double speak he was getting from Ratzinger, you're like, oh man. Like Ratzinger, I feel like once he was elected Pope, like especially once he was once he was head of the um the CDF, I think he like realized the council went too far and he tried to rein some of this stuff back in. And these guys thought they could get away with all these changes and then just still keep the you know the doctrine together, and and then Benedict tried to make a hermeneutic of continuity, but all this stuff just fell apart, it just fell apart because there was all liberals around him, and it was only a matter of time before one of those liberals got to the highest seat, and that's what happened with Francis. You had one of those liberals get to the get to the seat of power, and they kind of just went, Yeah, no, we're not doing this hermeneutic of continuity thing. Let's just stop pretending. I think Ratzinger is a very complicated guy. Well, I uh I I think it's kind of like what Lefebvre said, where he was just like, these guys are all liberals, like they're all, they're all like you know, they're all liberals. But yes, we're all modernists, like that's why like I never made such a big deal out of us being like super uber trads and stuff. It's like because I'm sure there's plenty of things I do that people could criticize me for. I just I just know something's off and something's wrong, and we're waiting on God to fix it.

SPEAKER_16:

No, I don't say sorry like a snowman. What does that mean? Sorry.

SPEAKER_03:

Sorry? Sorry, you betcha, hey, sorry. I bet you would. Like in your like what do you mean in your natural environment? It's like one of like this podcast made me tone down my my New York. I don't I don't change my accent. You don't think you toned it down to sound more like um you don't say a on the show anymore. You used to like early on, you would say a a lot. Like your your your Minnesotan accent would pop through on occasion.

SPEAKER_16:

No, no, no. You're not changing me, are you? No, no, no, no, no. I think both of us I hope not. The second I say you guys or um how do you use guys, the second I say that, please kill me.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, John the 23rd, Paul the Sixth, Paul the first, John Paul I, John Paul II, they all see they all seem to die with concerns about the path of the church, and that all seems to change once Fran like like Francis and Leo are like accelerate, accelerate. Yeah, there is a difference. Did that code switch for us? I think that if you guys heard me speak like at work before I started this show. If you saw home videos of me before I started this show, forget it.

SPEAKER_16:

Go back to the early videos, guys.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, it was bad. Like I would I started pronouncing my R's for this show. Um, I'm so happy I have off tomorrow. My daughter's like, Daddy, can you drive me to school in the morning? I'm like, what time am I gonna get up? 6 30. I can do that. Oh, that's sleeping in three hours now. Sleeping in. Yeah, I usually get up at 3 30. So this morning I went into work early. I left my house at 3 30 this morning. Yeah, acceleration isn't is my jam now because I want I want I want a resurrection, and you can't have a resurrection without a death. So the church does need to go through this passion, like it needs to go through the passion, it needs to have a death, so a re so a rebirth of Christendom can come. And we'll get the you know, we'll get that period of peace from Our Lady, and that's that's what I hope for.

SPEAKER_16:

By the way, the uh the video with the conde music did did prevent us from monetizing.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't even think about that stuff, not even that, especially that song. Like they don't even want that song on that. Might get the video taken down.

SPEAKER_16:

Yeah, the the auto sensors stopped the the monetization, but it's still up right now.

SPEAKER_04:

All right, they don't like that song.

SPEAKER_03:

Um okay, so in hindsight, are you happy with Trump or would Kamala have been better? Uh we're not in hindsight yet. That's the thing. And I think that Trump was kind of like a pressure release valve. And I think that people that would normally never go along with a lot of this stuff are going along with it because it's Trump. So we'll we won't know what hindsight is until Trump's term is over.

SPEAKER_16:

And even then we would we wouldn't know what it would have been like under Camel or so. It's kind of a mood point, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_03:

And I mean, look, it is a lot nicer not dealing with the but I think woke was I think woke was a false flag. Like, I think the woke stuff was a legit false flag where it was gonna be so absurd.

SPEAKER_16:

We're we're seeing it die anyways, like like the number of zoomers um identifying as as gay and stuff has plummeted over the last two years, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So I think it would have died a natural death, anyways, but but it was it was like it was pushed right up until the election, and then once once Trump gets in, it's like woke is dead, and now it seems like the whole thing's it's like we don't talk about trans men and women's sports anymore. We don't people that are still talking about the trans issue, you're kind of like what year are you living in?

SPEAKER_16:

Like the the I mean the overton window has shifted in in shifting the overton window is important, like some like some of the you know the stuff Walsh did was important. Well, and and some of the silly uh memes that like you know, homeland security and ice are yeah, they're kind of silly, they're funny, they're silly, but it is kind of important too because it really is pushing the overton window to where now it's you you're not looked at as uh being absolutely insane if you say maybe immigration isn't great, guys.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah, the overton window has shifted a lot. Conversations are happening that couldn't happen a few years ago. Um yeah, the Jews already own locals. Who who is that? What if the Jews buy locals? Yeah, I think that um part of me thinks that the stolen election was coordinated by Trump. Like the the mail in ballots thing was only possible because of a policy Trump put in in his first term, like like something Trump did in his first term allowed for mail in ballots during COVID. So it was almost like he knew it was gonna happen, he did nothing to stop it, and then the whole drum drama around him trying to win back the election through the courts and all that stuff, everything just gets struck down. Like it's it all seems like theater to me, and his historic comeback, it was all just something always theater, theater, yeah, theater is but it doesn't mean it was planned or coordinated.

SPEAKER_16:

I I think it was not everything in the world can be a coordinated cycle conspiracy amp. No, some things do happen organically, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

All right, I don't know now.

SPEAKER_16:

How now how those of organic natural events are used, yeah. Sure, that sure, but I don't know.

SPEAKER_03:

There's something about the way it happened where he he gets the election stolen and then he has this historic comeback. It's just too much of a story, like the it's too political, okay.

SPEAKER_16:

But but okay, but at the at the same time, look at salvation history. God does write in stories, yeah. Yeah, so you know, I'm not saying this, you know.

SPEAKER_03:

I just think the kayfabe, like the I think politics is all theater at this point, like it's just legit all theater. I think all of it is just kafabe at this point. So I don't know, I may be wrong. I'm just just a feeling. I don't know. I yeah, like live a little bit.

SPEAKER_16:

I talked about Agartha tonight, Molly. Come on.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh man, it's gonna I I mean I'm interested to see Nick's politics show where he's gonna go with it because he is still MAGA.

SPEAKER_16:

Oh, wherever he goes with it, he'll apologize for it the next week. Oh, come on, don't be mean to me.

SPEAKER_05:

I'm not wrong.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, be mean, don't be mean to Nick.

SPEAKER_16:

Um, yeah, we should shut up about he says behind the scenes then.

SPEAKER_03:

Um the snake-like managed dialectic stuff is Satan, though. Christ is a total surprise.

SPEAKER_16:

Um if this is how long Anthony and Rob thinks 15 minutes is good for their wives.

SPEAKER_03:

My wife's not home, so that's why we did. I did this show tonight because I have off of work tomorrow.

SPEAKER_16:

My wife is at a Broadway show tonight, and meanwhile, Rob's wife is home dealing with children, and Rob does have to work tomorrow.

SPEAKER_03:

But you're you're traveling Friday, right? So yeah, I'm only going to work for two hours on Friday and then taking off early. So, all right, we're gonna wrap this up though. We've been going at it for two and a half hours. I can't, I thought I I was starting to get a headache at the end of the YouTube show, and I was like, All right, I'll try and eat. Salmons gave you a headache. Then the headache went away once I started going off.

SPEAKER_16:

Once you started getting mad at Salmons, yes.

SPEAKER_03:

Um, Ali made stop the steal and got Trump to jump in. I'm not sure what yeah, I don't remember all the intricacies of everything, but I guess I did miss the joke. I don't know.

SPEAKER_16:

Okay, I drink two energy drinks, it's been two and a half hours.

SPEAKER_03:

I really gotta go to the bathroom. All right, me too. I gotta pee. So, all right, we will see you guys next week. I will be uh we'll be back Tuesday and then Wednesday I'm on with Stephen Cox and Catholic Esquire.

SPEAKER_16:

Um on what channel? Our channel, their channel, no, their channel.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm going on Steven Cox channel, so um, yeah, but tomorrow I'm off, so expect to see a lot of uh fun stuff on Twitter tomorrow.

SPEAKER_16:

If if thing if things go off in many in the twin cities on Saturday, guys, I'll live stream it.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, that'll be fun. All right, we'll see you guys next week.