The American Bishops’ Betrayal of the Catholic Faithful (Full LOCALS Version)

A memo lands. A homily stings. And suddenly, families who built their weeks around the Latin Mass are making maps—Who’s driving where? Which chapel? How long can this hold? We walk through a week that felt like a year: the ICE facility Eucharist stunt and its media choreography, a Knoxville directive to end TLM by Christ the King, and the quiet math of how many actually made it to the substitute options. The numbers are sobering, but the stakes are larger: culture flows from worship, and what you change on Sunday reshapes what kids believe on Monday.

We name the pastoral paradox. Leaders warn against erasing ancestral identity while enforcing a liturgical homogenization that flattens the most faithful communities in their dioceses. We read Cardinal Sarah closely and consider his simple question—why forbid those who practice with intensity?—alongside a rising insistence that “reverent Novus Ordo” will suffice while hinting it, too, can be removed if people resist. That’s not trust-building; that’s compliance theater. Meanwhile, parents are doing the calculus: where to go, what to keep, how to protect a culture of chant, silence, confession, and friendships that keep teens grounded.

This conversation isn’t a purity test. It’s a field guide. We share practical steps to stabilize the domestic church: daily prayer that sticks, catechesis at the table, sacred music at home, asking pastors for real reverence, and building friendships with families who want the same ends. We also touch the hot wire of immigration rhetoric and cultural continuity without sloganeering—because coherence matters in both Church and society. If worship shapes belief, and belief shapes life, then this moment demands clarity without cruelty and courage without bitterness.

If this resonates—if you’re choosing between a longer drive and losing a community—listen and share. Subscribe, tap the bell if you can stand it, and tell us where your family found a path forward. Your story might be the map someone else needs.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Cold Open, Banter, and Ad Read
• 3:50 Comedy Clip Debate and “AI Slop”
• 8:15 ICE Facility Eucharist Controversy
• 13:45 Media Optics, Politics, and Church PR
• 17:50 Algorithm Talk and Channel Housekeeping
• 20:30 Knoxville Letter and Liturgical Crackdown
• 26:40 Centralization and “Traditionis Custodes”
• 31:10 Diocese Data, Obedience, and Attrition
• 36:20 Overton Window, Confusion, and Conscience
• 41:30 Families Displaced by Parish Changes
• 46:10 Reverence, Culture, and Formation
• 51:25 Cardinal Sarah’s Perspective and Hope
• 56:40 Loving Enemies Without Naivete
• 1:01:30 Immigration, Identity, and Civilizational Fears
• 1:08:10 Novus Ordo vs. TLM: Culture and Belief
• 1:14:45 Catholic Identity and Raising Children
• 1:21:20 Community Bonds and Homeschool Networks
• 1:27:05 Pivot to Locals: Guests and Gossip Tease
• 1:31:50 Passion Sequel Casting and Typology
• 1:38:30 Media Personalities, Numbers, and Riffs
• 1:45:00 Group Chats, Zoomer Humor, and Outrage

Transcript

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SPEAKER_02: 3:02

So so goes until the feast of Christ the king, where you could get yourself and drown yourself in your sorrows and your wine when your Latin mass ends on the Feast of Christ the King. Go to Reggie Sun Cellars and drown out your sorrows for losing your liturgy, guys. Yo, it was a rough, it was a rough couple of days, man. Like just it was it was the um the the the clown show in Chicago with the uh the clown show in Chicago with the uh the the was it a bishop or was a priest, it was a priest, some priest, some Jesuit priest. Um okay, so Ice denies a group of Christians request for entry to Broadview Ice facility uh to bring communion to the teinees. If nobody saw this video, play the video real quick. What uh not the whole thing, but just showing the video? I sent it's in the group chat, not the group chat.

SPEAKER_03: 4:01

Once again, lots in the chat, but uh uh if you scroll up, okay. I think I got it. Scroll up. This is like one of the only the one that's seven minutes long.

SPEAKER_02: 4:09

Yeah, just play a clip of it so people get a because a lot of people aren't on Twitter like we are and they didn't see this. So this is a priest goes to an iced detention facility, a Jesuit priest, and puts on a show.

SPEAKER_03: 4:24

No prior notification to the facility. But somehow all the reporters knew about it.

SPEAKER_02: 4:45

Yeah, that's about it. I mean, whatever. So the news story is that IC is denying Christians' request for the Eucharist. Like, there are there are proper channels to go through for a priest if he wants to visit prisoners. And and there are there are just proper proper channels you could go through. Um these men, it's these are the same men who disappeared for months during a cold. Yeah, none of none of them cared about the people dying in hospitals who were on their deathbed. None of them were lining up, marching the Eucharist around during COVID, none of that. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03: 5:29

Same type of man that you know denied my father the apostolic pardon, same type of man that will uh you know excortiate you for kneeling to receive the Eucharist, same type of man that won't baptize your child, won't won't tell you you should convert, same type of man who will tell your wife in the confessional that uh that um using uh birth control isn't a sin. Yeah, same type of same type of message.

SPEAKER_02: 5:53

We're just at a point where they they wear Catholicism like a skin suit. Um it's all for a political charade. Um and we're getting the message from everywhere now that it's basically you you can't be conservative and Catholic. That's essentially the message you're getting. You can't be Catholic and Catholic, basically. We'll get there. We'll get there. Um, but just the political angle of all this, um, because this all plays into the conversation about Supic and Dick Durbin and the comments Leo made about being pro-life last week, all of this kind of goes together, and it just it gives these men cover to use the faith as this political tool for leftist uh infiltration, and it's also uh freaking aggravating. Um it's like I don't I don't the the the thing is where we are now is that the message is coming from the highest points that this is this is this is the way to go with it. Like you had that that clip of Leo speaking with Bishop Seats and a couple of other bishops saying the church needs to be more united and combat this stuff because he watched some emotional video of um migrants being raided and stuff. But I mean we talked about this on the last episode, but it's just this is this is the farce that they're trying to put forth as the Catholic faith. They're they're trying to be we used to goof around and say, like, um what was the what was the saying we used? It was like uh the US C C B is the Democratic Party at prayer or something. I think that's that's what we used to say, right? Uh who I think it was like the like a common saying, like the US C C B basically the the Democratic Party at prayer, but this is becoming like the whole church, like not and I don't mean the church, but like the the the institution, the institution is becoming just the democratic party at prayer, and it's just this stuff is just so demoralizing. So it started with that. Um, nobody watches the kids. Oh no, but we do have to say please hit like and subscribe. And there's something weird going on with the notification bell, where like if you guys don't press the notification bell, it messes with the algorithm.

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So I so YouTube has told some creators that the notification bell, which no one likes and doesn't really work, anyways, that even if you're subscribed to a channel, your subscription means more to the algorithm if you click the notification bell. Which I don't think we've ever promoted the notification. No, because I don't ever press it for anyone I follow.

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No, and the thing is, it's not like you just get notified for that show, you get notified for everyone you subscribe to, so it's obnoxious email after obnoxious email. So maybe just hit it once and then unsubscribe for notifications later or something. I don't know if that'll help, but whatever.

SPEAKER_03: 8:56

Well, give it a month or two, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 8:58

Um it yeah, so Sunday started off with that charade, and then yesterday was uh Knoxville comes down with their announcement. And what's bizarre about this announcement, um, it can't it came out in like a in an announcement first, and then the the homily the priest read was just such gaslighting insanity. It was I I mean, I don't know if we should go through that whole homily, but it was just total insanity of them uh the all right. So what don't we do this? Why don't we highlight this guy, Andrew Lakudis' um tweet? Because I actually I saw conservatives snapping back at this, and even I think Dr. Kważnevsky challenged this.

SPEAKER_03: 9:50

Yeah, and I don't see anything I actually dislike.

SPEAKER_01: 9:53

Oh, okay. I thought you said you couldn't find the tweet. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03: 9:56

No, I I didn't disagree with his uh assessment, assessment of it. Me neither.

SPEAKER_02: 10:04

Oh, he's not on our side, he's definitely not on our side. But that's the thing, we have to start listening to that side because that side seems to know better than we do at this point. So, according to the diocese of Knoxville, the Dicastery for the divine worship. So, this was I pointed this out to everybody because everybody saw that you know Knoxville was doing that, and they're like, No, Leo doesn't. I'm like, No, no, no. It says in the letter in the homily from the priest, he says that the DDW wrote to them and requested that the diocese of Knoxville finally implement traditionus custodas, which which leads us to believe this is not just going to be in Knoxville, this is going to be every diocese is going to get that letter from the DDW, and they're going to be asking them, How are you implementing Traditionus Custodas? So, according to the Diocese of Knoxville, the Dicassery for Divine Worship has just requested the complete transition of all the remaining diocesan TLM churches to the Novus Ordo before the feast of Christ the King this year. I think this is the clearest signal to date that Pope Leo intends to continue the path chartered by Francis regarding the Roman rite, solidifying around uh the third typical edition of the Roman Missal, the Novus Ordo. This will be difficult for many to accept, but Pope Leo has made clear that he believes for those who cherish the TLM, they will find in the Novus Ordo with elements such as Latin Gregorian chant, incense, and reverence celebration what they need to satisfy their legitimate their legitimate aspirations. And this, without the ideological divisions and rejection of the post-conciliar magisterium that for decades has accompanied the continued celebration of the 62 missile. It's just according to the Novusordo Missal, the mass of Paul VI, he called it. Um, and it seems like this is going to be.

SPEAKER_03: 13:08

I mean, not not the hardcore trad, but uh but if the numbers in Charlotte are to be believed from what they saw the first weekend, so apparently they had 1200 people through the four parishes or whatever that offered it weekly prior, they had approximately 1,200 weekly TLM goers. The new chapel the first week had about 500 people, and the SSPX saw an increase of 50 people, so that's 550 out of 1200. That means the very first week, the first the week that everyone should have been at a TLM to show support for the TLM, half the people gave up immediately. Yeah. And I think we're seeing that throughout other dioceses when they actually closed the the TLM, the whole Marxist uh you must obey sort of thing that we got from the uh the priest in Knoxville and his homily, uh, it does work on on most so-called traditional Catholics.

SPEAKER_02: 14:09

Yeah, this is this is a this is especially a problem with those Catholics who just kind of like the the aesthetic. Right? Like if you just like the aesthetic and you still get some Latin and Gregorian chant and it's a reverent liturgy, those people will be satiated, you know. Um, people are sheep, it's not necessarily a bad thing unless the shepherds are replaced by wolves, which in my opinion, has been happening. It's been happening since the council, but uh there's something drastically different. Like, like Francis moved the overton window so much that even Leo backing off like slightly in just his delivery has kind of like quelled everybody. It's it's it's I I cannot believe how much the Overton window has shifted because of how hard Francis pushed forward, and then just the slightest easing off the pedal has made people go, oh, everything's fine, everything's fine. I mean, you know, we we we did it to a degree because you just you just you don't like I don't even I don't know. I don't know. Look, I'll say right off the bat, like I don't know what the answer to this stuff is. Like I don't I don't know. I I don't know. So if you guys are like looking to to to my insights on what I felt like I don't know. I I'm it's a very confusing time in the church. Um part of me thinks like this whole thing needs to like this this charade you saw out in Chicago, like whole thing needs to come down, and that can't come down, like there can't be a resurrection without a death. So part of me is just like accelerate this thing, yeah, kill kill it all, kill the diaston TLM. Let let's just let's go. Like, let's just go, let's see what happens, you know. And it's gonna be really difficult for those of us trying to raise our children in the faith, but I mean it's not it's it's so much of it has just been a facade, and and I think I don't know, man. I don't know the answer to this stuff. I don't know. I I I you know I I'm I'm glad to see Wagner today came out and said he's gonna stop Pope splaining. I think that's a good thing. Um, and part of that is probably because of conversations I've had with him, um, partially at least. I'm sure he's come to his own his own uh conclusions on his own. But the the the whole idea of Pope spleening and just defending everything the Pope does because you think any kind of any kind of comment against something the Pope does is is schismatic or something like that. Like that stuff needs to end and people need to have a little bit like we're talking about families being ripped apart right now. You're talking about people who like we've we've talked about um my my cousin's parish in Kentucky. Now that's an FSSP parish, so they're safe, but for now, right? But do you know how many people might have moved to Tennessee and said, Okay, we have a stable at mass community here.

SPEAKER_03: 17:09

I'm gonna move one of my mutuals on Twitter, move from Maine to Knoxville because of the TLM, and now it's gone.

SPEAKER_02: 17:18

And people people were were doing that, like making, especially during COVID when everybody was like, I gotta get out of the big cities, I gotta go somewhere more rural. And you would base your move on, okay, is there somewhere I'll be able to raise my children and family in the faith and have a stable liturgical life because I don't want to go through this insanity. Like we've talked about it where you and I were raised in the Novus Ordo, we lost our faith from it. We come back and we find tradition. We're like, okay, I'm not gonna make the same mistakes my parents made and just assume that my kids are picking something up in CCD. I'm gonna actively teach my children the faith, I'm gonna try to bring some of these customs and devotions into my home life, and I'm gonna instill the faith in my children. I'm not gonna leave this to my wife, I'm gonna do it myself. All these different things we picked up, we're trying to do, and all we got was scorn. Yeah, all we got was scorn, and if you know, for all the talk of religious liberty that came out of the council, it's like you can have all the religious God wills the diversity of religion unless you're Catholic, unless you're unless you're Catholic, because if you're Catholic, we have to put an end to that because God forbid people actually believe what the church has always taught. That is a scary thought, right? That people people look at the council of Trent and see the catechism of Trent and think that's Catholicism. Oh no, we can't have that, like it's insane. Uh, hey guys, Lucas here, the guy you had on the local show a while ago. I'm in the diocese of Knoxville and I've been pretty devastated from this, don't know what I'm gonna do. Um, so that was the conversation I had with Wagner even today. Him and I spoke on the phone, and he was like, you know, I'm I'm definitely not going to take the approach I took under Francis because he's like, I think it's having the opposite effect of what we thought it was. Like we thought we were defending the Pope, but really like the gaslighting was too much for people. And and I I just said to him, I said, Listen, you have to have compassion for people that are going through what Lucas just described, right? He's down there, and now he doesn't know where he's going to go. So I mean, is he gonna be stopped going to a reverent novus ordo? I mean, how long will that be allowed or not? And that's the and that's the thing because the the priest in his homily specifically said, if you guys give us a hard time about this, we'll even take your reverent novus or do away. It's it's it's very disheartening. And I mean, I I don't know how I know you guys hate when I blackfell. I just don't know how it's not how it's not apocalyptic. Please tell me, Rob. Please tell me how this is not apocalyptic.

SPEAKER_03: 20:06

You know how you know what I said, I think it was yesterday, right?

SPEAKER_02: 20:15

I uh what's funny is I thought I was gonna have to talk you off the ledge tonight with some of the things you were sending me, especially even this morning. Like, like the original title, Rob is gonna go. I was like, let's back off that title a little bit. Like, um because we do have to be careful right now. Like, it's not I I know I felt everybody's uh like demoralization of frustration. I I felt it, I feel it, and my and my and I haven't lost my mask yet, but I I assume it's coming. Um and it's I I was worried I was gonna have to talk you up the ledge because you were so angry. Oh, I still am, yeah. But I think like I'm kind of glad we didn't have a show yesterday because I think if we would have jumped on in that kind of heat, like I don't know, I might have said it. Like, I I I tweeted out the the Pope asked for money for missions, and I was like, You won't get a dime from me. I can't believe how much pushback I got from that.

SPEAKER_03: 21:09

But it's like it's like really, you are you people serious? What you haven't been able to donate to the your parish or the diocese or Vatican for 20 years, and now you're like, give me a break.

SPEAKER_02: 21:20

You people never seen a Lepanto Institute video.

SPEAKER_03: 21:22

Like, have you guys never listened to what Michael Hitchbook is buying condoms from kids in Africa?

SPEAKER_02: 21:28

It's like it's like, oh, support our evangelistic efforts in an in mission territory. It's like, what do you think they're teaching those people? What do you honestly, what do you think they're doing over there? They're t they're they're giving them like like um secular sex ed programs, yeah. They're they're tied to UN governmental programs and things like that. It's not it's not like they're out evangelizing and preaching like like the Jesuits did back when they were fighting against the Protestant Reformation, like it's just that's not what they're doing anymore. It's it's it's very difficult to not see this as just a further like deepening into the passion of the church. And I know a lot of people get upset with us and they you know they they think we're we're we're being divisive and stuff, but I don't I don't I don't I don't know. I'm not gonna ever I'm not gonna ever not say how how how this stuff like what it is like we we see what it is. The church has been there's been a hostile takeover of the Catholic Church. We're not talking the the crazy thing is these are all new bishops, these are not like bishops who've been settled in a diocese and know their flaw, these are guys who came in.

SPEAKER_03: 22:40

Sitka isn't the one who canceled Lynn Knoxville, no, the new guy, it's the new guy who was appointed by Leo.

SPEAKER_02: 22:49

And and Martin's over in Charlotte, he was appointed by Francis, but but Leo was on the congregation for bishops and and suggested him. So this is uh this is a personnelist policy thing, and I know everybody everybody likes to say, like, yeah, but the young priests are so trad, the young priests are so trad. But that doesn't matter because if you have the guys at the top choosing who becomes bishops, listen, under under John Paul II and Benedict, and it's those it's those so trad young priests that are telling us to shut up and obey.

SPEAKER_03: 23:19

So excuse me if I don't trust them exactly.

SPEAKER_02: 23:22

Well, look, the thing is, man, I because I'm very conflicted about this because I've been really thinking about the the passage in First Peter that we read the other night. Slaves be subject to your masters, not just the good ones, but the the wicked ones too. Like the ones who are froward, you have to also be obedient to. So it's like there's there's a there is an opportunity for sanctity in this. There really is. There's an opportunity for sanctity in this. There always is, and and how how we handle unjust suffering. It's like like our Lord was before the Sanhedrin, they spit in his face, they smacked him, they pulled his beard out, and he sat silently and took it, and that was unjust, and he shouldn't have obeyed them. He was but he but there's something there's something about like holiness in in how you react to this stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 24:16

But you don't I don't say you're not attaining any grace by rolling over and letting your kids be harmed by this BS.

SPEAKER_02: 24:26

No, and also like there's no room in heaven for cowards, is what uh Vegan, uh yeah, Vegano said. There's no room in heaven for cowards, right? So it's like you you there look, this is a difficult thing. It's like, okay, do I submit and take my beating and just nothing, or do I speak up because that's actually the brave thing to do? But like it's a it's a difficult thing, man. It's not this isn't this isn't just so easy, and I and I anybody who's like convinced they have the right perspective, you have to be cautious of those people because I don't think any of us know what the hell's going on. I think this is a really confusing thing, but under under John Paul II and Benedict, you had them raising liberals to to bishops, like they they just did, but you also every once in a while you get that Cardinal Burke thrown in, you get that Cardinal Surrath thrown in, you would get that you're not gonna get that now, and you haven't gotten it for 10 years under Francis. All you got were guys that thought like Francis for 10 years. Now you're looking at another 20 under Leo, right? So I don't care if the next generation of priests are trad because it doesn't matter if they're bishops telling them shut up and obey and do what I tell you. Like, where is there room for them to even be trad? They're the the the new crop of bishops that they're putting in are ripping out altar rails and ripping out kneelers, and they're it's just insane what these guys are doing. It's not just it's not look, yeah. The the the in Knoxville, they're going about it a little with a little bit more taste than they did in Charlotte, like it's a little bit more tasteful than they did in Charlotte and Charlotte.

SPEAKER_03: 25:59

They learned their lesson a little.

SPEAKER_02: 26:01

Possibly, right? So it's a little more tasteful, but man, where where where do you go if you're in Tennessee and you want to go? And like that, I I I don't even know. Like, what do you do?

SPEAKER_03: 26:14

Well, it it um it should be noted that eastern Tennessee and Western North Carolina, they're those two dioceses border each other. You now have a whole section of that area of the country with L TLMs now. Nothing.

SPEAKER_02: 26:30

Bring up bring up Carnel Sarah's interview. I I want to talk about Carnel Sarrath's interview. Because he actually did I put it in there?

SPEAKER_03: 26:40

I think so. Let me look for it. I think I did.

SPEAKER_02: 26:44

Um, on locals tonight, we got we got a little bit of gossip tonight, too. So we have uh I had a I talked with Milo. Cameron O'Hearn reached out to us. We gotta talk about Cameron O'Hearn. The nerve, the nerve on the we gotta talk about Cameron. Um I saw that email and I was like, Rob texts me, you're gonna die when you see this. I'm like, what? He's like, you're gonna and he just texts me, you're gonna die. And I'm like, what do you mean I'm gonna die? Like, what do you and then he waits like three minutes before he sends the thing? I wanted to kill him. Um, so uh we yeah, we have that. We gotta talk about the the the leaked messages of the the young republicans, uh and we gotta talk about Mel Gibson replacing.

SPEAKER_03: 27:27

I was really disappointed in that group chat. Me too. It was so tame. Really, guys? That's all you got.

SPEAKER_02: 27:34

Come on. We'll talk about that on the other side because I'm gonna I'm gonna say some stuff. But also, Mel Gibson has replaced Jim Cavizel. Jim Cavizel Jesus? He replaced he got a new Jesus. There's not Jim Cavizel will not be in the sequel to The Passion. So we're gonna we're gonna talk about that too over there. So all right, so bring up um bring up Siraz. Um I don't think we have to read the whole thing. Um bring up the yeah, I have it. Okay, so you can go down to so I think that if the Pope tries to see that it's not easy because the question is a matter of faith. How we believe is how we pray.

SPEAKER_03: 28:13

If we don't have faith where the heck are you here?

SPEAKER_02: 28:16

Go scroll down, scroll down, scroll down. Right there. Yeah. Um, so they're they're just asking him about um uh about the traditional liturgy and stuff. And he says, So I think the Pope, if the Pope tries to see that it's not not not easy because the question is a matter of faith, how we believe is how we pray. If we don't have faith, we can't take action. If people don't believe, nothing will change. We continue to fight over the liturgy, we continue to bully certain people. Whereas, in fact, when we really look at the Christians who practice today, they are the ones who go to the traditional mass. So why forbid them? On the contrary, we should encourage them. I don't know what the Pope will do, but he is aware of this battle, he is aware of this difficulty. Um, and then they ask him, You had the opportunity to speak with him, and he also talked about Cardinal Burke saying the traditional mass. He said, Um, wait, where did where's that last line? He said, The Pope is the father of us all. Uh right here, it's right there.

SPEAKER_01: 29:13

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02: 29:14

Wait, oh, yeah, which will take place, but everyone's been everyone must be given a space. The Pope is the father of everyone, uh, of each one of us. He is the father of the traditionalists, he's the father of the progressives, the father of everyone. He cannot ignore his children. Everyone has their own character, their own sensibilities, everyone must be taken into account. I think he will try to act in this way. He's basically asking, why are they doing this to the like that? When you look at the situation, you see the people who actually take the faith seriously, the people who are actually who do believe and who actually care about the faith, they're the ones going to the traditional liturgy. Why are they doing this? Like, I asked that question two weeks ago or a week ago. On to I was like, what is the real motivation behind the men doing this? And I It's it's interesting that like Cardinal Sarrat today posted a picture of just a picture of Pope Leo. And I I think his approach is to to to love to love the Holy Father into submission or something. I don't know because I'm I'm trying to figure out like how do you how do you love the men who are doing this to you without becoming um without having uh what is that syndrome? Uh Stockholm. Stockholm syndrome, right? Like there's a difference in choosing honestly be more worried about catching aid from these guys, but choosing to choosing to love your enemy is not the same as Stockholm syndrome. Like Stockholm syndrome is like you're tricked into thinking the person has your best interest and you love that person. Like, that's not what we're talking about here. It's like I don't know, man. There's got to be something like like a I don't know. It's it's it's difficult to love your enemies in this situation. I don't have to like them to love them, but I don't I don't know how to not see these men as our enemies, like they are enemies of the faith.

SPEAKER_03: 31:14

When that doesn't mean like this, you can't still love them. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02: 31:19

Like um let me let me just see the comments what uh um yeah, I I don't know. It's it look, these are these are these are just it's a very challenging time. It's a very uh I just I don't know what the answer is. I just know these men hate us. They hate that they hate the faith. They hate they hate seeing people actually believe the faith. It's a bizarre thing. They they just want political activists, they want a church full of political activists that believe the same things they do, is what it seems like.

SPEAKER_03: 32:04

And it's getting it gets them the most money, the most handouts. I mean the most handouts the reason why you see a a priest going to to an iced detention facility but not going to a hospital during covet, it's because uh they get money for all the that immigration activity. That is true.

SPEAKER_02: 32:22

Um then you have um Pope Leo's words today in in reference to immigration, which just is such a head trip. Like if you apply his words about because it sounds like the the this statement is bizarre to me, what Leo says here. Words of Pope Leo XIV today said in the context of migration, there is a certain tendency these days to undervalue at various levels the models and values that have developed over the centuries and that shape our cultural identity, sometimes even attempting to erase their historical and human relevance. Let us not disdain what our ancestors experienced and what they passed on to us, even at the cost of great sacrifices. So he's he's where he's going with this is so bizarre. Let us not be seduced by the homogenization of the homogenizing and fluid models which offer only appearance of only an appearance of freedom, but in fact make people dependent on forms of control such as passing fashions, commercial strategies, or other influences. Now, now he's quoting Cardinal Ratzinger, but but Ratzinger, I feel like, is talking about tradition in the faith, and it seems like what Leo is talking about is not asking the people who come into your country to actually like like become like right, is that what you say?

SPEAKER_03: 33:55

It's just funny because apparently we're not supposed to disdain our ancestors and what they pass on to us unless it's the traditional liturgy, we're not supposed to homogenize and become all one unless that's the novus ordo. Um let's see what else here. We're supposed to cherish the memory who came, those of us who came before us, unless they were Catholics who actually believed their faith. We're supposed to treasure traditions and let except for the Catholic ones.

SPEAKER_02: 34:24

But what it what um look, what he's saying here, if he's talking about immigration, what he's saying is don't make these people assimilate. Yeah, he is saying that. Yeah, you're absolutely saying don't make these people assimilate, let them keep their cultural traditions and have this multicultural democracy. This is I don't look the liturgy stuff is one thing, but the immigration stuff is civilizational ending. Like we are talking about civilizational ending policy here. This is not oh, I like the TLM. This is not even about doctrine. This is you are going to have people come in and take over your cult. Like, this is terrifying to me. This stuff, I I I I I see I see um like immigration of letting people come into your culture on the same level as letting heresy into the church, like it's the same thing, like like not allowing your culture to to develop a culture, a Christian culture where your children have Catholic friends or even Christian friends for that matter, and you have a society that that recognizes Christ as king and is subject to his rule. Now you're letting foreigners come in. It's the same thing as allowing heresy into the church. It's like letting the LGBT stuff into the church and it spreads around, and it and it it totally destroys the faith once you start allowing that heresy to spread within the walls. Like uh, what what was the other um the other post I I had uh that somebody said about the novus orto. Um man, did I not put it in here? Uh shoot, I didn't put it in here. Um, somebody's somebody was talking about how I have to find this because this is important with this person.

SPEAKER_06: 36:36

Which one?

SPEAKER_02: 36:38

Um, somebody, somebody, when I was talking about the novus or I said the whole point of the novus ordo is to get you to dull your Catholic sensibilities.

SPEAKER_03: 36:46

Yeah, it was uh your quote tweet of John Monaco. I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_01: 36:53

Um, yeah, I want to actually find I'm sorry, guys. I know this is tedious.

SPEAKER_03: 36:58

I yeah, I have it right here.

SPEAKER_02: 37:00

Let me pull it up. So I want to read his first and then my response to it. So okay, let's read his first. John Monaco's first. Um okay, so this points out what I believe is the and he's talking about wait, I guess we gotta scroll down to oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03: 37:14

What do you mean this is tedious?

SPEAKER_02: 37:17

Okay, so when do we start shutting down novus order masses because some vocal attendees have called for gay marriage or female ordination? He said, this points out what I believe is the weakest flaw in the anti-TLM crowd. They justify the suppression of the Latin mass by pointing out how some TLM attendees have schismatic or anti-Vatican II attitudes. But based on that logic, we should take away the Novus Ordo because a vast majority of its attendees use contraception, support gay marriage, and is the mass that promotes uh is the propo proponents of female ordination attend. If we're suppressing liturgical forms based on the views of attendees, we might as well abandon the concept of liturgy altogether because it will always be celebrated by imperfect, sinful people. But that argument falls apart because the whole point of the novus order was to get you to accept those things that he's talking about. So it falls apart when you realize the whole purpose of the Novus Ordo Mass was to weaken Catholic sensibility so they could get us to accept those issues. They're not banning the TLM because it causes disunity, they're banning it because it makes people care about the doctrines and moral teachings of the faithless. Like it that's actually what happens when you when you go to an irreverent liturgy and you see altar girls up there, and you see people receiving in the hand and they're dropping the host, all those things they weaken your Catholic sensibilities. And then you you think you have like I've had arguments with people that think they have a reverent novus orto because they don't have altar girls, and it's like you're missing all the other things going on.

SPEAKER_03: 38:47

What's funny is most of the people who think they have a revis reverent novus orto do have alter girl altar girl altar boys, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 38:54

That's it, it's because your your Catholic sensibilities have been so deteriorated, and a lot of that is because people, a lot of people are converts coming from Protestantism where they had no liturgy, and then all of a sudden they come into the Novus Ordo and they're like, Oh, this is structured, and this is you know, this is the mass, and they're and they're being taught this is where heaven meets earth, and this is and and they're they think that's what's going on, but it really it really does it, it gives you a Protestant sense of the faith if you attend that liturgy, because how you how you pray is like how what you do affects how you believe. So if that if that's the if that's the liturgy you're going to, it's going to it's gonna make you be like a relativist on things. It just is it's just look, it happened to to to us.

SPEAKER_03: 39:46

We grew up in this stuff. I I honestly don't know a single Catholic who it you know has only ever attended the Novus Ordo that isn't a relativist.

SPEAKER_02: 39:59

Or like, do you know a single cradle Catholic who only went to the Novus Ordo that didn't leave the faith for a period? Like, I don't know if I know one. There might be some, I guess, but I don't I don't think any I don't I don't think I know any families who like lived through the papacy of John Paul II, raised their kids in the faith that their kid didn't leave the faith.

SPEAKER_03: 40:23

I don't I don't I don't think I know a single cradle Catholic that that's I know one one of my good friends.

SPEAKER_02: 40:29

Uh it is the rarity though, it is not the norm by any means.

SPEAKER_03: 40:35

And he was he was homeschooled, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 40:38

It's just not the norm by any means, like and so we we saw that happen in our lives. We went to we went to school, and you saw every single one of your Catholic friends are the are the ones partying the most, they're the one. This is what Protestants say about Catholics. They're like, Oh, my Catholic friends, they were the ones who were going and getting high, and they were doing drugs, and they were doing that. It's because there was no actual Catholicism being instilled in people when they grew up in that novice orto atmosphere. I mean, I don't know why this is such a controversial thing to say. We all lived through it. Oh, because it's a bunch of new comments. This is this is that don't understand what yeah, the new comverts coming in, they're like, You're causing divisions. Like, dude, I lived through it, I watched it, I watched every single kid.

SPEAKER_03: 41:21

I know what your kids will go through. You do not want that for them. If you love them, you will get the hell out of there.

SPEAKER_02: 41:30

I know. Look, look, there are people who grew up in the Novus Ordo, left for a while, and then had a reversion, but that's all you ever hear is I'm a Catholic revert, right? You never you don't you don't hear stories of people, oh, I grew up in the Novus Ordo and I was just a faithful Catholic. And then it is it is a faith-destroying culture. I'm not gonna say the mass, the culture, the Novus Ordo culture destroys the faith of your children. Like well, the culture is formed by the liturgy, so of course, but it uh the but just the whole like the whole idea of so many so many parents sticking their kids in the C C D program just to just to get them through the sacraments, but like the faith was never it's just oh no, no, no, no, we just do this, you know. You have to make your communion and then you have to make your confirmation. Then you go for your confirmation, you never go back to mass again. Now, I grew up in a freaking really Catholic household. Like my parents made me go to mass until I drove a car and and moved out of the house. When I was under my parents' roof, I had to go to mass. As soon as I was out of their roof, there was nothing instilled in me that made me want to keep going. I believed in God, but it just wasn't just wasn't, I don't know, and I don't want that for my kids at all. So I'm trying to do something different with my kids, and I'm trying to bring them into a culture of way more Catholic culture. Like the the priest in that homily was like, um, some people prefer Catholic identity to Catholic essence, and Catholic essence is unity with the Pope and Bishops. It's like Catholic identity is extremely important, extremely important.

SPEAKER_03: 43:07

What's funny is it it is the novus ordo that only gives you a Catholic identity and doesn't actually provide you the essence of the Catholic faith. So for someone to to use that as a reason to go to the novus ordo is really like the height of idiocy.

SPEAKER_02: 43:24

It's it's just like what like we're we're trying to do something different than our parents did, and we're trying to give our children a Catholic identity. Like, I really think Michael Matt was really smart for naming that conference that the Catholic Identity Conference, because it felt like Catholic identity was under attack under Francis. So it was like you were being shamed for the uniqueness of being Catholic, like all those unique things we do as Catholics, like the weird stuff. Like, I want to be weird, I don't want to be like any other Christian denomination. I want to be very unique in what we do, and that starts with the way we worship. That way we worship has to be really unique compared to what everybody else does. And when you take that away, you take you take you you make Catholics think they're just they're just you know, you're just you just happen to be you're you're an American, you just happen to be Catholic instead of you're Catholic who happens to be American. Like your Catholic identity should be first and foremost, and then you're American. We have it totally backwards, Taffy.

SPEAKER_01: 44:26

Don't worry, Anthony, you're very unique.

SPEAKER_02: 44:36

All right, guys, I get it. I'm I'm unique, I'm weird. No, I like I don't I don't so I because I I keep getting everybody telling me how divisive I am, and I don't I don't think I'm divisive, I think I'm like saying what a ton of people think what do they want?

SPEAKER_03: 44:50

Do they want us to be in unity with all the bullshit going on?

SPEAKER_02: 44:53

That's that's what I wonder. It's well, the thing is the people defending this stuff, it's like you I especially because the a lot of them are defending pre-conciliar Catholicism, like they come in, they come into the church and they convert because they see the historical case for Catholicism, and they're like, Oh, the church is this, and they and they have a pre-conciliar understanding of what Catholicism is, and then they come in and they're like and and they're seeing all this stuff happen, and they're seeing it coming from the top of them basically pushing liberal ideology, and especially with this insane open border stuff, which is I'm just I think this is the I cannot emphasize enough how bad this is for civilization. Like, this is they are they are setting us up. I'm just telling you guys, they are setting us up to divide and conquer. That is what is happening. They are making it, they are purposely doing this. This is not about love for the immigrant, none of it. And I'm not going to pretend that's what it is. This is not about loving the poor and the immigrants, this is about dividing your nation so you do not know who you can stand together with, and then them gutting us from the inside out, and they are going to divide and conquer our nations. The entire West is going through this right now. We are not going to be able to defend ourselves. And man, I was listening to Daryl Cooper's introduction to his series on World War II, right? And just listening to what happened to Germany after they lost, and what the Allied forces and what the Soviet Union did to German women after Germany lost the world war. The horrors of what a conquered nation goes through by the by the nations that conquer them. Like, if we ever got into a war and were conquered by Russia or China, do you have any idea what life would be like as a conquered nation in a world war? You guys do not have you do not understand the meaning of the living will envy the dead. You will watch your wife and children get you will you will literally envy the dead.

SPEAKER_03: 47:11

It would be interesting to do a genetic um comparison of German Germans born post 1946 compared to Germans born pre-1946, and just to see the um the additional percentage of Slavic genetics that entered Germany due to the rape of German women by Russians. I bet it's significant.

SPEAKER_02: 47:37

Yeah, oh yeah, dude, like they almost wiped the German gene out of existence through this. And Father James Martin's in the chat and doom pilling right. No, listen, um, because this is something where I think we have a duty to stand against immigration. Like, I think you have a Christian duty to stand against immigration, and I am in direct conflict with the Pope on this one. Like, this isn't about internal church disputes about the liturgy and stuff. This is, I really think this is this is scary stuff we're talking about. We're talking about them dividing our name dividing and conquering our nation. I mean, this is this is this is the Illuminati plan from from for hundreds of years. Like, that's what this was. It's like order out of chaos, divide and conquer. They'll they'll cause chaos in our nation, and then somebody will come up and bring order out of the chaos, and we'll go and follow that leader. That is how things are gonna end up happening. I'm not even saying the Pope is anti-white, I think the Pope is naive, Fred, James Martin. Please unblock me. We uh we always have celebrities in our chat, guys. I don't know if you guys know this. A lot of celebrities watch our show. Um it is interesting, you never do know who's watching our show. Because the the funny thing is, um like we're we're we're kind of like the show talking about this stuff now, right? Like you you still have standing, like some of the last ones standing. It's just just kind of how things worked out. So, like, even when I don't want to talk about this stuff, sometimes I kind of feel like we have a duty to talk about it because I I like I I don't I don't know. Um Metatomas says uh TLMers are being chastised because God loves them more. I mean that that you may you might be right. I mean, that's that's honestly the logic of the saints, right? Like God has the logic of the Jews, anyways. No, but like honestly, like the like the the saints God loved the most typically suffered the most, right? And and how how we endure this, man, I have to I have to think on it. Like, I don't know, like just getting off and like spouting off about this stuff might not be the right approach. I don't I'm honestly just trying to voice what I think a lot of other people are feeling because in I don't think I don't think I'm that like that far out feeling it's it's it's not your job nor my job to think about what is the best approach for the church for our show.

SPEAKER_03: 50:16

No, our our show has always just been you and I coming on here and just talking about stuff happening in the world, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 50:24

But like there is a degree to which like the bigger your show gets, the more of a responsibility you have, right?

SPEAKER_03: 50:31

I'm not I'm not I'm not saying we should ever come and do something inherently you know immoral.

SPEAKER_02: 50:37

I'm just saying like we should we should be careful about some of the things we say, I guess, but it's I I don't think it's that far outfield what we're saying. Like, I I think anybody with common sense thinks what we think, and I think the people who would say we're crazy or we're being schismatic, I feel like you guys aren't actually looking at reality. And I'm not going to say a man in address is a woman, and I'm not gonna say up is down, and I'm not gonna say immigration is a good thing.

SPEAKER_03: 51:05

I'm just not going to do it, and I'm not gonna say the novice order is Catholic.

SPEAKER_02: 51:09

I'm not I'm not gonna say I'm not going to say the Latin mass is is or or the Novus Ordo is just as good as the Latin, it's just not. No. Like I I I am not somebody who thinks that they're like there's no salvation outside the Latin mass. I'm not. I think that I think the Novus Ordo is a valid mass. I think I'm not, it's none of that. It's I know what happened to me in that culture, and I don't want that culture for my children. So if they do take it away, it's gonna be about honestly though, like uh so Metatomas is more on the Pope's plainer side of things, right? But he has compassion for people going through this, and that's that's what I'm hoping Wagner's video brings to people. It's like, don't don't like rejoice in people losing their their home, their families, because this is what you're dealing with here is people in communities who have formed bonds, their children have friends that they know the parents are raising their kids the same way because you go to a Nova Soto parish, like a typical Nova Soto parish, half the people going are just going for because you know their parents were Catholic and they just you know they have to go through it to go through the sacraments. Then you have half of them are freaking support abortion, and there's so much disunity in a Nova Soto parish that it's hard to find other families who believe like you do. It's not the norm. Where when you go to a traditional parish, nearly every other parent thinks the way you do, and you're trying your best to raise your children in the same culture, so you can let your kids be friends with the other kids at the parish and you form these bonds and give your children an opportunity to grow up around other Catholic families. There's homeschooling communities around them, there's all these different things that build culture. And when you break up a thing like that, you're ripping families apart, you're ripping apart some families' only chance to instill the faith to the next generation. It is freaking evil and insidious. I do not care. Not going to sit here and tell people to just take it. Like, no, this is vile what they are doing. Evil, like evil, what they are doing. Yep. So uh, all right, we're gonna leave that here. I uh we gotta go over to locals. We have um we have some some inside baseball for locals, as Molly would say. We're gonna spill the tea over on locals, but what?

SPEAKER_03: 53:42

Uh oh Cameron.

SPEAKER_02: 53:44

Cameron Cameron Cameron and I talk to Milo. So I gotta I gotta I gotta find out what the Groper is gonna disown us if we talk to Milo. Because I want to interview Milo. I think I will get a phenomenal Milo interview. So I know I know a lot of you gropers hate hate Milo, but I don't know what to tell you guys.

SPEAKER_03: 54:06

At the very least, we will make it funny one way or another. Whether it's successful or an absolute failure, you will laugh.

SPEAKER_02: 54:16

I'm interested to see like the behind the scenes of what happened with him and Nick. I'd like to hear that story. Um, but also like I've kind of followed Milo since 2015. I I I watched him on Gavin McKinnon's show, and so I I'm very interested to get his uh I want to hear his story, man. I want to hear what made him come to the faith. I want to hear him talk about what made him want to stop practicing the gay lifestyle, a lot of things. So we'll talk, we'll talk about my conversation with Milo on the other side because he uh he and I did speak, and um and we'll talk about Cameron. This Cameron, he's got some nerve. He's got some nerve, Cameron. This kid. He will be on, Cameron. Cameron will be on November 6th, and we're gonna have fun with that interview because we're gonna tease him a bit. So, all right, guys, if you guys are not members already, join us over on locals. That's where we uh that's where we have more fun. So I apologize for ranting tonight. Usually you guys like my rants. I don't know, it was a frustrating week. Thursday, Aaron Gorn. Thursday, Aaron Gorn, Thursday.

SPEAKER_03: 55:25

Aaron Gorn is a Protestant pastor who became Catholic and took 17 people along for the journey, and he used to be very anti-Catholic, knew Keith Nestor back in Keith's uh Protestant days, and tried to convince him not to convert.

SPEAKER_02: 55:46

And now we got this is what's really interesting about this is Aaron found us through Keith. Aaron watches a lot of our shows. Like Aaron's been since he's been Protestant, has been watching our show, and he's just been hanging in the chat and like like hinting around that like Catholicism seems more and more appealing to him, you know. And then finally he came into the church this past Easter, taking 17 people with him. Now, a couple of weeks ago, uh Keith Nestor had this young 18-year-old kid, Dominic, call into his show, and the kid lives on Long Island. So Keith, after the show, Keith said, Hey, I'm gonna hook you up with my friend Anthony and see if we can get you to a Latin mass. Uh well, Keith just said, I'm gonna hook you up with a couple of Catholics on Long Island. So the kid had gone to a Novus Orda, like a beautiful Novus Ordo church, like the a really beautiful parish. And the kid was very attracted to the beauty of the faith. So Keith puts me in touch with him. I take the kid to uh to St. Rocco's, a Latin mass, and he brings his Protestant pastor dad with him. So I meet his, I meet him. His dad I said his dad was probably like, I'm not letting you. What do you mean you're going to mass with some guy? Like, what do you what do you mean you go into mass with some guy? So I met his dad after mass. We had a we had a good conversation, and uh Dominic just texted me yesterday, actually, and he asked me if he could come to mass with me again. And he's and he said, Um, he said, uh, let's see. What did he say here? Uh, okay. He said, he said, by the way, I love your show. I've been watching it a lot. All the Catholic guys I watch always end up on there. I said, Really? Who who do you watch? He said, I'm a big Wagner fan. Also, I know he's Orthodox, but Jay Dyer. So he so he's seen Wagner on our show. He's seen Jay Dyer on the show.

SPEAKER_03: 57:38

He watches Dyer and Wagner.

SPEAKER_02: 57:40

So what happened was his the reason he even got introduced to some of this stuff is he had a a Greek Orthodox friend who was trying to get him to go to Orthodoxy, and he winds up looking into Catholicism. Now the kid's coming to Latin mass at me. Like that the it it for all you people who think we're so divisive, like there's just people with different temperaments and different ways of looking at things, and we're all Catholic. Everybody just chill out. We'll have different roles in this thing. Plus, I'm way more divisive than Anthony. Way more. But like Keith, Keith Nestor's like the evangelist, and he just wants to bring people to the church. Wagner's the Thomas, and he's trying to get into the intricacies of scholasticism. We're just like, I don't know, we just fire off at the hip and whatever the hell's on our mind when we talk about it. We all have our different roles. It doesn't mean we're at like there's any enmity between the different groups. We're all Catholic. We got to figure out how to make this thing work. We got to come up with a way to unite our front and push back on some of this insanity. And I don't know what the right approach is still. I keep talking about that. I don't know. I'm trying to work this out along with you guys. Don't, don't, don't, you know, don't take don't take uh the the words of a of a New York construction worker as infallible. That's all I'll tell you. Like, I don't know, I don't know what to do sometimes. So this is why I tell Zoomers who hate on ant to shut up. They pro clutch and don't know how to talk to people. So true. Look, yeah, because I I think I think some people are very repelled by some of the things I say, and I think some people just need to hear. Like, we're all just different, man. It just just everybody's got their now. You're so now you're sounding like an open relativist. I'm for ecumenical dialogue within the different Catholic tribes.

SPEAKER_03: 59:24

I am. Hold on, hold on. This this is perfect.

SPEAKER_02: 59:29

Some of the hands, some of the feet, and some of them have to be the ass. Somebody has to be the ass. I am very fine being I'm the ass and the mouth. Yes. All right, we're going over to locals, guys. Come join us. There's more fun over there. If you have fun on this side, I promise you, you guys are like the other side. Take us out, Rob.

SPEAKER_08: 59:49

I snap my fingers. You'll forget that you're ever gay.

SPEAKER_06: 59:55

I was never gay. Exactly. Wait, no, stop. No, stop. You can't. I was never gay. Okay. No, I was never gay. Sure. You can't just state something and slap your fingers and then be like I was never gay.

SPEAKER_08: 1:00:09

If you say so.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:16

I still love that one. So Cameron O'Hearn. The balls on this kid, huh? We're gonna have to we're gonna have to uh explain to people because unless they were with us back to the trivia days, they don't understand how deep this goes.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:35

So um well, first of all, Cameron was making all the rounds on all the Catholic podcasts, like he was on Gordon's show, he's on Eric Salmon's show, he's on Taylor's show, and he always ignored us. And like uh admittedly, we were smaller back then, right? Like, we weren't weren't anybody of note at that point. Uh, let me bring up the locals chat. We you know, we were we were nobody of note at that point, and uh the first time we actually had an interaction with Cameron was when we reviewed Mass of the Ages. So Mass of the Ages episode two, we had Father Nick's on. We had like a whole we had a whole bunch of people come on that episode. We had like guests popping on for episode two. It was a it was a fun show, but episode three as crazy about episode three as I was about one and two. A lot of people thought it was the best one. I I I was one was the best by far. One was the best by far, like one was riveting, two was really funny because it had all the um the the novus ordo hymns, like it was that was episode two, and then episode three, like the the highlight of episode three was really when they went to Africa and they visited the Latin mass power the Latin mass community in Africa, though that was really really good. But we came on and we were criticizing it, and uh Cameron popped in the chat, and like I was like going in a little hard on it, and then I saw Cameron in the chat and I backed away off, and I was like saying nice things about it. Everybody was giving me crap because I didn't want to say anything bad because Cameron was in the chat. Um, and then um we've had a few interactions with Cameron over the over the past two years where he would pop in our chat like once in a blue, and we'd be like, dude, let's let's like oh no, no, no. In that episode, I made a suggestion, and I go, Cameron, what we should do is we should get a group of trads together and we should do like a trad round table discussion, and we should get a bunch of people together and like we'll we'll sit and we'll we'll try to hash some of this stuff out, right? And he said that's a good idea. Two weeks later, I see on I think it was Meaning of Catholic, a trader five pop up. Well, one Peter Five, a trad round table pops up, and it's got Matt Gaspers on, it's got Dr. Kwaznevsky, it's got Tim Flanders, it's got Kennedy Hall, it's got everybody but us. I'm like, they this is our idea, and they didn't invite us, and they start doing these trad round tables on everybody's channel. So one week it's on 1 Peter 5, next week it's on Meaning of Catholic, then it's on Catholic Family News, it's on all the different channels, and and we never got an invite.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:26

They literally have people you've never ever ever ever ever heard of before us, before us.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:35

I'm gonna tell you guys something. When I went to the when I went to the uh cancel priest conference, I met Connor McHugh there. Oh Connor. I love well, we had him on a couple months back, and he he he he hung for a little bit, but we I get Connor on, and Connor was like so excited to meet Eric Salmons, and like he was like pushing me aside to talk to Eric. And I looked at Connor at one point and I go, Connor, our show is going to dwarf Eric Sammons because we were within a thousand. No, no, we were way behind him. We were way behind him at that time. We were like at that point, we were like 10,000 way behind him, like half half of what he had. And I just looked at Connor and I go, Connor, I'm just telling you, we are going to dwarf Eric's show. And it's not, it wasn't a knock at Eric. I just I just kind of knew we had potential. Like, I I kind of knew what we were doing was a little bit different than what the other guys were doing, and I saw the community we were building, like we had started locals at this point, and like people were really starting to interact with us. And I was like, Look, I know we're not big yet, we're going to be bigger than Salmon Show. And Connor kind of like rolled his eyes at that. Oh, let me just pull up subscribe. Where's Salmon's channel at?

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:51

Let's let's pull that up right now. Let's see here. Um, what's his channel's name again? Crisis.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:02

Oh, yeah, crisis. I almost tweeted at Eric today. I love Eric. Don't do not think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This isn't a dog. This is not me throwing shade at Eric. I love Eric.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:12

Like, this is I'm just teasing.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:20

I legit love Eric. Just everybody chill. I'm not, I'm not throwing shade at him. This is for a very specific purpose. So um, okay, hold on.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:29

Hold on, let's zoom in here. Where is he at? Hmm, 15. 15.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:37

I think we're at like 52.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:39

Oh, let's pull up uh. Yeah, we're a little bit bigger than our sisters.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:49

I'm not even like bragging on the biggest thing. Is this what they mean?

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:52

Is this what this is what people call being a bad sport?

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:56

I just kind of knew I've always been told I'm a bad sport. I I kind of just knew like what what we were doing is more fun. That's all. It was just more fun. Like, there's only so much of the like the monologue, like doom and gloom stuff that people can can do, and it's like, but Eric today uh pointed out one of the comments in his chat somebody if you made a whole media company surrounding exactly that sort of content, but from like four or five different guys, do you think that would be successful?

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:31

This is why I can't have friends. This is why you can have friends, I can't have friends.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:38

I don't know how I'm gonna maintain relations.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:40

My goal is to make sure I'm always your best friend, and the best way to do that is to make sure you never have any other friends, dude.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:53

The thing is, you hate how much you eat before the sh before the show. I'm like, Rob, you gotta chill out when like we can throw people under the bus. He's like, I don't know. I think people understand it's a bit, right? It's a bit, like everybody knows we're just doing a bit, right? I'm like, I don't know if people know people people like take you seriously.

SPEAKER_03: 1:07:10

Um, so it's gonna be a pain of the butt when we put this on YouTube in like a week, and I have to edit this part out.

SPEAKER_02: 1:07:17

All right, so Eric put up a uh a comment from his channel today where it was somebody arguing that they're they're pro-life and they're against abortion, and that's why they're also against the death penalty, because we have no right to end the life under any circumstances, blah blah blah. And Eric was like, You see what can happen when the hierarchy puts forth this idea, it can actually like get down to the lady, and then they can absorb it, and they don't actually have the critical thinking skills to work through something like this. And I almost tweeted back at him if only somebody ran and ran a magazine called Crisis and spoke about this stuff because Eric has decided to step out of the conversation, like he's like he's one Peter Five decided not to be trash. It's weird, like what they're doing over there. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:01

I'm gonna have to talk to Eric and find out what's going on over there because I I ah man, like keep your friends close and make sure that everyone else is an enemy of your friends.

SPEAKER_02: 1:08:19

Um all right, so Cameron back to Cameron. Oh, yeah, so they do this, they do this trad round table and they don't invite us, right? So then we did a whole series with Father Dave Nix called Faith and Film, where we just went through like secular movies or like Catholic movies that weren't like specifically Catholic, like we did Alfred Hitchcock's I Confess, we did um The Man for All Seasons, we did what else? The Mission, the Mission. We did like we did a whole bunch of these movies where we just talked about Catholicism in in media and stuff like that, and we went through this whole faith and film series. I thought it was really well done. We did like 10 or 12 episodes of it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:00

We had Mel Gibson on it. We had Mel Gibson. We didn't get to ask Mel Gibson any questions, but we had Mel Gibson on it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:09:08

We had Mel Gibson on Faith and Film, okay?

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:12

And Cameron well, hold on, he wasn't even the first to copy us.

SPEAKER_02: 1:09:19

Well, there's been a lot of pictures. No, the first one was we open every video, we open every show with like the funny opening video, and Frad started doing that with Thursday where they would review TikTok videos. That's true, that's right. And he definitely took that from us.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:38

Is it who but I'm talking about the movie bit? The movie bit who um I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 1:09:45

I don't remember.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:46

Is it Fred or Catholic Answers?

SPEAKER_02: 1:09:47

No, no, no, it would have been Catholic Answers, I think. Did did I don't know if they did it like we did, but Cameron is literally doing it like we did. Cameron, what's Cameron's new show called?

SPEAKER_03: 1:09:58

Let me let me pull up the email. I'm not gonna show everyone the email, but uh where the heck is the email?

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:12

Well, you can probably eat it in our text messages just between the code. Oh, here it is. Send me a screenshot.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:17

Um movie Crusade. That's the name?

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:24

I'm not gonna even bash it, but just I don't care what his name is.

SPEAKER_03: 1:10:28

Movie Crusade is an entertaining weekly show where we defend good movies and destroy bad ones so that your family can survive the cinematic culture war. Featuring Cameron, Cameron on Hearn, Tony Shriner, and a special guest as they debate movie matchups tiered list and rank every movie ever.

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:44

So now we get this email, and I'm thinking we're getting invited on the show as a guest. Nope. Nope. Nope. They want us to have Cameron on to promote the new show that we're not being invited on as guests. That's what they're doing.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:09

You know what we should do without telling them? Make it a faith in film episode.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:17

But don't tell them and don't let him know what lips lined up and everything. Like we have clip Cameron.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:22

We're gonna Cameron, what do you think of this clip?

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:25

Um, so we booked Cameron. Cameron's coming on, but we're gonna have some fun with that interview because we're gonna talk about all this stuff with Cameron. Because uh first off, Cameron could get my phone number very easily. Like he could very easily get my phone number, and he had like his producer Jake was on our show multiple times multiple times, like and he had like his his like his assistant reach out to us, like he didn't even it's not like I would have expected a text from Cameron, like, hey dude, would you mind if I promote him on your show on your show?

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:55

Like, we got the same email every other Catholic show got, yeah, but we booked him, and we're gonna we're gonna oh hold on, faith in film reviewing the mass of the ages trilogy with him.

SPEAKER_02: 1:12:08

We should have him as the special guest. I promise you, Cameron's going to be on multiple different shows promoting this thing. None of this will be the first one. This I promise you guys do not miss our Cameron O'Hearn interview because this is gonna be a fun one. Um, and then uh the other the other uh inside baseball we had. So I I was contacted by Damian Thompson from The Spectator. Um he asked to interview me. So The Spectator is a UK publication. It's secular, though. It's not it's not like a specifically Catholic um really publication. Yeah, no, but Damian Thompson does holy smokes, which is a it's a pretty Catholic podcast, I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_03: 1:12:57

So he's pretty, I mean he's pretty trading, isn't he?

SPEAKER_02: 1:13:02

I like as in he likes the TLM. He likes the TLM. I think I don't know if he so he reached out to me and he said, Hey Anthony, I was just wondering if you'd be open to coming on so we could get like a little bit of an insight into the trad bro sphere. And um I I was I wasn't actually hesitant. I I was I was like, Yeah, yeah, of course, Damien. Absolutely, you know. Um, but I reached out to Milo because I knew Milo knew him, and I was just a little cautious. I wasn't sure if Damien was gonna bring me on and try to make Trads look bad over the Israel conversation. Like I was I wasn't sure if it was gonna be just like a friendly conversation or if he was gonna hit me with the weird British Zionism thing going on, right? But yeah, and I wasn't sure if he was gonna try and get that viral moment where he you know tried to pin me or something. So I just I shot Milo a DM. Now Milo follows me on Twitter, but I didn't know like you don't know if somebody follows you on Twitter, like Michael Knowles follows me on Twitter. I don't know if Michael Knowles watches Avoiding Babylon. I mean after the stuff I've said about him. No, because you ruin every freaking chance we have a friendship, Rob. Between me and you forever, it's terrible. See, we're never getting out of here, am I?

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:15

You know how I felt since day one.

SPEAKER_02: 1:14:18

Um, so I'm pretty sure Knowles knows. Like, I I think all those guys that pay attention to Catholic media have to know who we are at this point, but you don't know if Knowles actually watches the show. But I I didn't know if Milo just followed me on Twitter or if he actually knew who we were, right? So I shot him, I just shot him a DM saying, um, hey, Damien Thompson asked asked me for an interview. What are your thoughts on it? Like, do you think he's gonna try and like sandbag me? And Milo sent me back like a three-minute voice message and uh told me to go and do it. He said that Damien Damien's a good guy, and then he even reached out to Damien and made sure of that for me. And uh then I just I said to Milo, I said, Listen, I know you got a lot going on right now, but when your schedule dies down, I'd love to get you on, keep me posted if something opens up. And he said, Would love to when things get calmer, um, talk soon. Sorry for the tardiness, by the way. My DMs are a lost cause. And he sent me his phone number, so now I have Milo's phone number, and he's doing that college tour thing right now, like after Charlie Kirk died. But after that calms down a little bit, I want to get Milo on and I want to have a conversation with him now.

SPEAKER_03: 1:15:23

I I don't um how legendary would we be if we attempted a TNT reunion, but instead of a TNT reunion, it was Milo and Nick Fuentes.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:34

I don't think we could ever pull that off.

SPEAKER_03: 1:15:39

Yeah, without them knowing without them knowing it. Jim just goes and picking up gay guys' digits, slid right into Milo's DMs. I'm rizzing up Milo.

SPEAKER_02: 1:15:52

He can't help it, guys. He can't help it. I'm charming. What do you want me to tell you? Um, yeah, no, I think it would be I will make I will get a good interview out of Milo, man. He dude, he was very influential in that first Trump campaign and getting Trump elected in 2016 and finally doing on the street interviews at gay bars. He did at gay bars, he uh he went through a cancellation that was brutal, and I I think it was undeserved. Like, I don't think what he said was even that bad. I think he was just trying to well, for from someone who went through a similar experience as Milo, but from a female, right? Like when I when I was a young guy, I had a similar experience, like like Milo made light of a situation that happened with a priest and him when he was a teenager, and from somebody who experienced that from a woman in my teen years, I've made light of that situation too, because you kind of develop a gallows humor out of it. So you you kind of want to not see yourself as a victim, and you try to make light of it and make a joke out of it. And I think that's what Milo was doing, and then in retrospect, you like had to really think about it. It's like, no, that that guy was a piece of piece of shit, you know. So, and and similar thing happened to me. Like, I downplayed that stuff for a long time, too. And then and then you hate women. Well, that what it what it took for me was seeing all of the predator teachers and seeing that, like, man, this really is predatory, disgusting behavior. Like this, this is gross predatory behavior from these women, and it took like time for me to really like process what what actually happened there. So um, yeah, so that's the that's the Milo update. Now, I do want to talk about um I do want to talk about the uh the the the telegram chat getting released. Oh, ours ever does.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:57

Should we should we do the Mel Gibson thing while we're talking about Cameron and film and I mean I just it's gonna be weird to have to remake all the uh mental images in my head, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, well, I I okay, so from what I know about like like the Jesus I picture when I pray the sorrowful mysteries is now gonna be the different than the Jesus I picture when I pray the glorious mysteries. That's gonna be weird.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:23

You you just have to go all out and just pray to uh Desmond Jesus. No, I will not Desmond from Lost Jesus. That's the one I go with. No, sorry. I go with Desmond from Lost Jesus, it's a safe bet because you don't want to have Jonathan Roomy Jesus in your head. Oh, absolutely not. And I mean you like Desmond more than Robert Powell. Robert Powell Jesus is a good Jesus to be your personal word.

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:46

I do like how new Jesus is gonna have the same blue eyes as Robert Powell Jesus.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:50

Robert Powell Jesus is probably who I have a personal relationship with. He's that that's the Jesus I have a personal than having a personal relationship.

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:57

Never mind. No, nope, not going.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:59

I have a personal relationship with Robert Powell Jesus over over Jonathan Roomy Jesus, and Jim Cavizel Jesus was great, but uh back to Eric Samus, he made a very good point today. Like, because Jim Cavizel has been it would take you out of the movie.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:16

It it would be really weird to have uh digitally de-aged uh caveasel Jesus, right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:24

I don't want that. Let's put it this way the first time I saw The Passion, I knew it was Jim Cavizel, but I didn't recognize him.

SPEAKER_03: 1:19:31

Well, see, I I was what six, seven years younger than you, so I didn't never seen him. Yeah, what what was even before? Because I know what he's been in after, he's been in person of interest and some some other stuff after.

SPEAKER_02: 1:19:45

So, like I knew of him, but he wasn't like a well-known actor, like he wasn't like a a household name. So, but even after people told me, Oh, that's Jim Cavizel, like I would look at a picture of Jim Cavizel and I'm like, I don't see him. Like, I really didn't I didn't see Jim Cavizel as Jesus when when I watched The Passion. Now I do because of years of seeing Jim Cavizel speak about it, but I think it might have taken us out of the movie if you saw a D-aged Jim Cavizel playing Jesus. So this wouldn't be good, and and it's yeah. So now the new all right. So, from what I know of the sequel, and this is stuff I know from inside sources who have heard major parts of the script, it's not going to be anything like The Passion. It's gonna be it's gonna be kind of trippy.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:37

It's going to be like Well, they're gonna have the heroing of hell, right?

SPEAKER_02: 1:20:42

It's gonna be a lot of like flashbacks to like Golgotha and Adam's skull underneath. Like he's gonna like from from what I understand, Mel is going to try to put a lot of typology into it, but it's gonna be kind of like trippy and stuff. Like some of the some of the people that I've heard are like I don't know if I'm gonna be so crazy, it's not going to be as powerful as the passion, so it's gonna be a different type of movie, which is campy, yeah. Big can't be, yeah. The passion is the passion, right? Yeah, for for me, the passion is basically like a liturgical act when we watch the passion in our home, like it really is. It's good Friday. I try not to watch it more than once a year because I don't want to desensitize myself to it, and I try to make it like a liturgical thing in my home once a year on Good Friday. And I, you know, but when you're when you're praying the sorrowful mysteries, it's hard not to picture some of the scenes from that movie when you're playing the sorrowful mysteries, it's discouraging, especially. Oh, especially, yeah. Um, so you want to just show the picture of the guy replacing him? Oh, yeah. Um, Mel replaced him because he said the process of de-aging him was just too expensive. Okay, I mean, uh Pedro Pascal, Jesus. Pedro Pascal's in everything. Oh my gosh. Not even Mel Gibson. It would be pretty ridiculous. So this is the guy playing him.

SPEAKER_03: 1:22:13

I'm sure once the hair is long and the beard is I mean, he he has a very similar facial structure to the shroud, don't you think?

SPEAKER_02: 1:22:22

Yeah, yeah. I'm sure like I said, once I'm sure once the makeup, the hair, and everything is long. Now, I think it's going to be in English this movie. So, you know how um the original was in Aramaic. Yeah, this one's going to be in English. English? I don't know how many that's Pedro Pascal gouged my eyes out. Um, yeah, so that's our Mel Gibson uh passion sequel.

SPEAKER_03: 1:22:45

And then uh let me share this one real quick.

SPEAKER_02: 1:22:54

Trad round table, wait, Lila Rose, Trad Boris, you mean ruthless.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:08

The worst out of your mind. The worst, worst fans ever.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:13

Jim worked so hard to prepare his interview with Raymond DeRoyal on it. Makes me sad for him. Oh, that's true, right? Jim was so stoked about playing Jesus.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:23

Um if they have him there coaching this guy, that that would be good.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:30

Fred's got uh Raymond De Royal on his show tonight. That was premiering tonight. Rob and I will be on the rundown Friday. Oh, yeah, that's right. And it's late. 9 30 Eastern.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:47

Probably better for you, right? Yeah, hopefully. I'm gonna be exhausted.

SPEAKER_02: 1:23:53

You see uh Holdsworth had Marshall? Yeah, that was uh he did that like a week or two ago. Um, Bobby watched it on locals a week ago. He said it was a really good interview. Nice. Holds Holdsworth's funny, man. Holdsworth's coming around to like more rad stances.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:12

Holdworth and uh who else?

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:18

Oh, red, uh, uh rednecks, uh Catholics for rednecks, Catholics for the next.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:22

Rednecks for Catholics, or I forget.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:23

Red, yeah, rednecks for Catholics. So we met Rednecks for Catholics down in North Carolina, and this was during Francis's pontificate, and he was like not a fan of ours. Like he was like, You guys are divisive.

SPEAKER_03: 1:24:35

Not he liked, like we all got along just fine, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:24:40

He he wasn't a fan of our content, like he didn't like traders at the moment. And recently he's he sent Rob and I a message, and he said, Hey, I'm starting to come around to a lot of the things you guys are saying. I've been watching your show, I just want to apologize for like misjudging you guys, and you know, I'm starting to see things a little more from your angle. He's a really charismatic guy. Um, he he hit him and Enoch gave the best talks in North Carolina, I think. Uh, his talk was hilarious and way more commercial than ours, and now he's headlining next year's.

SPEAKER_03: 1:25:15

How did we get canceled?

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:16

He's MCing it, yeah. They can't. I I would have never agreed to go again, so not not for anything but that. Like, I just wouldn't go through the whole gym, I wouldn't go through the whole gym messaging the bishop thing all over again.

SPEAKER_03: 1:25:33

Especially because now we know a lot more about margin than we did in February.

SPEAKER_02: 1:25:37

Yeah, that's true. Um, and they're going through a lot down there.

SPEAKER_03: 1:25:41

Like, I don't know what the I don't know what so so they they it's of the Carolinas, so they do both North Carolina and South Carolina. Oh, south the bit the bishop who said mass was from Raleigh. Yeah, so I I imagine they're much more welcome, probably in South Carolina.

SPEAKER_01: 1:25:59

Yeah, that'll be interesting to see how they pull that one off.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:02

But I I do notice that they didn't we met Martins while we were there, though.

SPEAKER_02: 1:26:06

Oh, we didn't like not personally, but yeah, he was there, yes. I met him. I mean, I shook his hand. I didn't like me to meet him, but yeah. Oh, I didn't. I shook his hand. Got to meet Bishop Martins.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:18

This is before all his but yeah, he wasn't the bishop you asked for you draw to confession.

SPEAKER_02: 1:26:23

No, no, no, no. That was that was the South Carolina bishop, yeah. Um okay, so let's get to the let's get to the the group chat. Let's do the group chat. Because the group chat's kind of funny.

SPEAKER_03: 1:26:44

Um the political article.

SPEAKER_02: 1:26:54

I mean, yeah, it's just you could I mean it's just a it's just kind of funny how they're they're freaking out about these group chats. Here I don't think we need any more than this. Yeah, no, thousands of leak messages show you uh leaders of young Republican groups joking about gas chambers, slavery, and rape in a private telegram chat inside rising GOP leaders, racist chats obtained by politico and spanning more than seven months. Dude, this is such lightweight stuff compared to the group chats I'm in, and it's not like I started the group chat, like I'm just in these group chats. I'm in a group chat. One of the guys' names is Nate Higgers, like like that's his name. Like, I can't even tell you some of the horrific things I see in these. If you're in a zoomer group chat, these kids are so they're just so out of their minds. It's like this is them just goofing around, like, none of it's even that bad. It's like like I feel like they're being restrained in this.

SPEAKER_03: 1:27:57

Um, and political doesn't they they they're calling them rising GOP leaders. You guys don't get it. These aren't future leaders of the GOP, these are future leaders of whatever the hell replaces the GOP.

SPEAKER_02: 1:28:11

This is this is like these are basically groupers infiltrating. I mean, that's what you have here. Like people like even Eric McCabe, right? Eric McCabe coming out against the groipers, which is kind of interesting because he admitted on stream that his wife is a groper, but which would explain why he came out uh against them. But even he had a text message in his Discord that said, You can uh people just won't understand the young white man's urge to say the N-word or something like that, you know. So and it said the N-word, like he's his N-word, yeah. And he's castigating groipers for the things they're saying. And then meanwhile, he's saying that in private, like it's just so hypocritical, and it's done in such like it's just like irony posting. Like, it's not, it's uh it's not, it's not like actual racism, it's just kids trying to be half as as our as our our fans prove half of them are not white. I can tell you not white, and they and they say this stuff too. They're the worst ones. The end towers on our YouTube show from all the brown kids watching our show. It's like zoomers are sick. You you look at our live chat, and uh you open cigar with Nate Higgers. Come on, like this. Is this is Zoomer humor? Like, zoomer humor is just so different, like boomers will they're gonna be like, Oh my gosh, I can't believe what I'm seeing here. But this is just how young guys talk, it's just especially in group chats because you're not saying it, you're kind of just like typing it out, and you're just being an edgelord, and you're like, it's not uh there's no vitriol behind any of it, it's just people try to be funny. Ant started the faggot tower one night. didn't have one. Oh man, it's just it doesn't mean what they're saying it means, though it's not it's not real homophobia, it's not real racism.

SPEAKER_03: 1:30:14

It's just well, first of all, there's no such thing as homophobia.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:17

That's but that's what I but that but either way, it's just it's just these young guys, like I mean, like I I've said a hundred times, like I grew up on Long Island listening to hip-hop. I was a wigger, like I mean and my friends called each other the n-word as a term of endearment. You this is what we did, like you'd be like, yo, like it's just what we did.

SPEAKER_03: 1:30:40

Don't use past tense.

SPEAKER_02: 1:30:44

Come on now. I will call Rob on the phone on occasion. Go, yeah, what up, nigga? It will happen on occasion. Oh James Lindsay probably enjoy oh well careful, careful. Making an Anthony Wigger meme hold up. Um do you have that clip about the Uyghurs? Like the they're they're they're they're punishing the Uyghurs and it just shows the shows all the white kids from the hood in the 90s. Who posted that the other day? Was it who where was that mark posted it? I think I think Mark posted it in our group chat.

SPEAKER_03: 1:31:24

Oh um, um, it's a an Instagram link though, right? Yeah, oh man, I don't even know how yeah, it'll be too hard to find.

SPEAKER_02: 1:31:36

Yeah, there's like this this video of them talking about them persecuting the Uyghurs, and every time they say Uyghurs, they they put like a picture of some white kid from the 90s in a in a freaking hoodie.

SPEAKER_03: 1:31:47

Oh, bad to make sure I was okay because I couldn't breathe for about a minute watching that one, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:31:56

Wait, dude, I guarantee Tim Gordon too. Like, I guarantee it. Like it was just the it was just our culture back then. Uh Anthony's like Robert Barone in the Everyone Loves Raymond episode when he starts going to the black dance clubs.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:12

Okay, so here's the thing. I guarantee a remote.

SPEAKER_02: 1:32:15

Taylor said I show up in the TLM analysis and walk into the towers. What's happening here? Is that really Taylor? Yeah, he joined our locals, remember? Zoomer humor is nuts, man. I'm telling you, like Taylor's a little bit older than me, so I think he missed like Taylor was like um, I think Taylor's like four years older than me. So like he probably like had like the LL Cool J was starting to come in, and he had run DMC and stuff, but like by the time I was in high school, it was like um like it was all underground hip hop. So you had like uh gang star and stuff like that, and like we just it was like a time of racial harmony, man.

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:01

It was like pictured racial harmony.

SPEAKER_05: 1:33:07

Now, what's funny though?

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:08

What's funny though is I guarantee there is a photo of Anthony, a real photo of Anthony, just like this.

SPEAKER_02: 1:33:15

I have one of me with a do-rag on with my little brother. I'm like 19, he's 17. I'm standing by my hold on, hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:25

You've literally asked me to get arrested for the channel, and yet you haven't given me that picture to use.

SPEAKER_02: 1:33:30

I'll I'll get it to you. I'm we were young. I'm like 19, he's 17. I got a do-rag on, and I'm standing on my motorcycle. I had a I had a uh a GSXR 1000 when I was like 19, 20 years old, and I'm just sitting sitting with a do-rag on, like old gangster. Oh, I'm so embarrassed.

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:48

You gotta send that to me. You have to send that to me, and I am going to use it for at least one thumbnail, dude. I had a gang, okay.

SPEAKER_02: 1:33:58

Me and my friends, we used to tag BFL in town. Boys for life, it was so gay. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03: 1:34:10

Thank you. I don't know why I admit this crap on it. I think Milo Milo needs to interview you on how gay you were.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:16

I don't know why I admit this crap on here so bad. He's not beating the wigger allegations. Yeah, um, yeah, life as a teen in the suburbs of of America in the 90s was much different than you zoomers have it, man. You guys don't understand. You're your black, your black artists are are Nazis now. Like you have you have Kanye West singing Hitler. Like we we were trying to be black now, the blacks are trying to be Nazis. It's a like a whole inversion going on. I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_03: 1:34:51

Talk about demonic inversion.

SPEAKER_02: 1:34:55

You guys don't know how different it was for us back then. We was being oppressed. Like you guys know, you all right. Well, Enoch, even you see how Enoch does like he he does hip hop and he's like he's doing Catholic rap and stuff. That's because he grew up in that era, like he grew up in that era listening to underground hip hop, and he wanted to be an MC, and then he had his conversion, so he's like, I guess I gotta do this Catholic. Like, I guarantee if you find like Enoch's old drawing books before he converted, so my town, my my area was very different.

SPEAKER_03: 1:35:30

There were no one wanted to be a wiggle. The Uyghurs were all made fun of because everyone in my area, which suburbs of Minnesota. Uh everyone listened to country, drove pickups, and flew the Confederate flag, even though we're in Minnesota.

SPEAKER_02: 1:35:51

But you know what, dude? At least you guys like had a culture of your own, like you weren't trying to mimic someone else's culture. Well, except we were because we weren't southern, weren't southern rednecks, yeah. That is interesting, yeah. But so okay, so this all changed for me when I started working. Like, as soon as I went to work, I started working in 1998 or 99, 99. I was 17, I dropped out of school and I went to work. And once I went to work and started hanging out with adults, and they were all Italian guys, like I just kind of just embraced my Italian heritage. And I was just I just kind of became like one of the one of the goombas on the job, you know.

SPEAKER_03: 1:36:33

What was funny is it was the the the Mexicans that wore the most flannel and listened to the most country and flew the biggest Confederate flags.

SPEAKER_02: 1:36:44

It was who the Mexicans Mexicans in my area. Really? That's so interesting. That is interesting. Dude, we gotta do uh I would we should do like a nostalgia episode one night and just like kind of go through like how different culture was back before cell phones and stuff, and like like growing up because we we're we're the last of the analog generation, right? Like we are uh millennials are the last ones who didn't grow up with a cell phone, so yeah. I mean, I so I got my first cell phone when I started like just before I started driving, but even then it was you know the black and white Nokia a StarTack or a or a point-to-point, like uh like I had so I had my first phone was like a flip phone, it was like a StarTac flip phone.

SPEAKER_03: 1:37:36

No one used the Nextel walkie-talkies, dude.

SPEAKER_02: 1:37:39

We did on in New York, we all used them, like we would just we would just be out be like we all used them, dude. Everyone, I had a big yellow banana nextel, it's like banana yellow next to the thing. It was a brick, the thing with like eight pounds.

SPEAKER_03: 1:37:55

So nextel, and then it sprint bought next to, but they never had good service in in Minnesota, so very few people had them, and it was way cheaper service in Minnesota because it did it didn't work well, yeah. So the people that had the the the what was it? What do they call it? They're called point to point. People who had that were like the ones who had the cheap phone service, and everyone else looked down on the made fun of. It was not cool it in the Twin Cities to have the walkie-talkie stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:38:30

Yeah, we we all had especially once I started working because we used them for work, like like like you the foreman would be up ahead, and we would follow the foreman, and then he would like leap over to you and tell you you missed the turn or something, you know, stuff like that. But um, yeah, like and then I remember when like the first iPhone I got was like the iPhone 4. That was oh seven, like 2007 was the first time I got an iPhone.

SPEAKER_03: 1:38:55

Yeah, I was in um well, no, because 2007 is literally when they came out. Uh so the four would have been 2009, 2010. Um, my first cell phone was in my first smartphone was 2007 or 2008 when I was in college.

SPEAKER_02: 1:39:14

Yeah, no, you're probably right, 2010, because I have I have like iPhone pictures and videos of my daughters when they're little, but not my son. So my son was born in 05, yeah, and I don't have any pictures, so it must have it wasn't until he was like five years old that I started taking pictures, pictures and videos of him, which kind of sucks because I had a camcorder before that, and like nobody breaks out the camcorder to watch home videos anymore, you know. So I like in order to watch baby videos of my son, or even when me and my wife got married, I have to break out the camcorder. I don't even know if I had the like I said with the title and stuff, but yeah, but to put it on what a DVD or a step no on your iPhone, like I'm on my phone.

SPEAKER_03: 1:39:56

I got um so my my so we had my my mom, her family when she was little had all these slides, right? Yeah, that you would put in the slide projector to look at photos and stuff. My aunt digitalized them at one point like 15-20 years ago, put them on DVD. Well, I ripped them off of DVD and threw them up in a iCloud. So now I have 1200 old slides, you know, on my phone of of stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:40:25

So um I gotta like I have dude. I got a picture here.

SPEAKER_02: 1:40:34

Like my wife, my wife will find these old pictures. Like, if I showed you what I look like at 18 years old, you'd be like, That's not you. Like, there's no way that's I was so skinny.

SPEAKER_03: 1:40:43

I've no, I've I mean, I've seen some of the pictures. Well, my wife was at least before you told your wife to uh unfriend me on Facebook. I can't believe that, by the way. I can't, and to find that out at dinner with you and your wife over I gotta tell that story.

SPEAKER_02: 1:41:01

So listen, so one day I I went, I went somewhere with a big thing.

SPEAKER_03: 1:41:07

Let me start because it was literally the week before the baptism, the week before you know we all meet in person, and I'm on Facebook looking for a picture of you to throw in the thumbnail because you never give me pictures, so I would always go to your wife's Facebook and grab pictures of you, and I go to her Facebook and I'm not friends with her. I'm like, huh. I wonder, I wonder why I'm not friends with her anymore.

SPEAKER_02: 1:41:33

So listen, so no big deal. A few a few months back, it was like a it might have been a year ago. Yeah, it was last October, actually. I went somewhere with my wife and her family, my wife and my in-laws. We all go up to um we went to um sleepy hollow. So, like sleepy hollow is like a famous Halloween town. It's like you know, whatever. So we go up there, and while we're having dinner, I spilled something on my shirt. So they all wanted to take a group picture. So I we take the picture and I lean over behind my wife to hide the thing I spilled on my shirt. Rob goes on my wife's Facebook and posts that picture in the group chat with the green lines with me slanted over and leaning over. It was and I go, Nicole, block him on Facebook right now because if a picture like that ever makes it onto Twitter, I will murder him. So he didn't even know he's been blocked, but but I made my wife block him on Facebook.

SPEAKER_03: 1:42:28

Yeah, yeah, it took almost a year. I can't believe I didn't notice that you realized it.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:33

Yeah, hold on.

SPEAKER_03: 1:42:33

I uh so I actually let's see here. Don't tell me you have the picture.

SPEAKER_06: 1:42:42

Hold on, where is it?

SPEAKER_05: 1:42:44

Right here. Yes, I do have the picture. Bring it up. Let's see.

SPEAKER_02: 1:42:53

I didn't even put it public, I just sent it to King. And I went nuts. I'm like, if that picture ever gets in public, I'm gonna kill you. Uh, but I'm just I'm standing behind her because I had something spilled on my shirt. Oh man. So yes, we yeah, we went out to dinner with Rob and Hope at for the baptism. It was just the two of us the night before, and I told Rob and Hope because Nicole's like, Can I finally be friends with Hope on Facebook now? Like, this is getting ridiculous. And I'm like, What? All right, I think we've ran this one up. Um, all right, so Thursday night we got Aaron Gorn coming on to tell his story of bringing 17 people into the church and his own conversion, his own his own conversion from being a Protestant pastor. I want to hear how I want to hear how he ripped into Keith back in the day. Yeah, we're gonna get the whole story. I want to hear the whole story, and then I want to hear how what his thoughts of us were when he first started watching us and listening to something.

SPEAKER_03: 1:43:59

His thoughts of us are now.

SPEAKER_02: 1:44:01

Well, but just like what his thoughts on the craziness in the church were and stuff like we got you got a problem.

SPEAKER_03: 1:44:08

What um they've already screenshotted that of course they did.

SPEAKER_05: 1:44:17

You guys are the worst.

SPEAKER_02: 1:44:22

You guys are real don't put that shit on Twitter though, because people I don't like I really don't post pictures of my wife on Twitter anymore. People are ruthless. Like, I don't care if you guys mess with us in here and stuff, but like I I I I won't put pictures of my wife up on um on uh on on Twitter anymore because people are just stupid.

SPEAKER_01: 1:44:46

What the hell did I do to I gotta reload this?

SPEAKER_03: 1:44:53

So Aaron on Thursday, we're on the rundown Friday. Who's even all on the rundown anymore? Obviously, I think Matt Gaspers is going to be there.

SPEAKER_01: 1:45:01

Um what the hell did I do to the locals chat? Hang on, I bring the local chat back up.

SPEAKER_02: 1:45:07

Um, yeah, like uh I think Matt Gaspers is there. I don't know who else. Uh it'll be fun anyway.

SPEAKER_03: 1:45:13

Is Navarro still on there? I don't know. I don't think so. Cause he's he's one he's he's one of those guys that uh it's a car mode. I'm so glad you kept the sick. Yes, you can clip him saying uh yeah, you can clip him saying that. What the n-word? Yeah, well, the the half n-word.

SPEAKER_01: 1:45:40

I don't yeah, I don't care.

SPEAKER_02: 1:45:42

Anyway. Um, all right, so yeah, we'll see you guys on Thursday, and uh we'll uh hopefully have some better news to discuss going forward. We'll see.

SPEAKER_03: 1:45:50

Uh probably not.

SPEAKER_02: 1:45:51

It's gonna get worse. I mean, have a good night. All right, adios, guys.

SPEAKER_03: 1:45:56

Uh what clip do I want to play as the outro?

SPEAKER_02: 1:46:08

Now we know what Thursday's intro is gonna be happy. Anthony, Anthony saying the M word to Rob. I forget like people are so like they can screen record everything we do. It's like but I trust you guys over here on locals. You guys are good. You guys are good people.

SPEAKER_01: 1:46:28

Who are you? Who do you think you are? That you're just too good for Jesus.