The Pope's New Document EXPOSES an Out-of-Touch Church

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Start with a careful read of the room: families are stretched thin, culture is noisy, and the heart still aches for God. We sat down and opened a fresh Church document on charity and the poor, then asked a hard question—why does the guidance we hear so often miss the pain points we face each week? Caring for the poor is essential; the Beatitudes aren’t optional. But parents are also navigating social media modesty battles, identity confusion, and a five-hour Sunday just to reach the sacraments. Where is the pastoral help that speaks to those fires?

We dig into the difference between moral teaching and prudential policy, especially around immigration. Compassion matters, and human dignity isn’t up for debate. Yet the on-the-ground strain—parish distance, stretched budgets, cultural fragmentation—rarely earns direct acknowledgment. We argue for a both/and: real charity and a realistic defense of community life, parish stability, and the spiritual formation of children. That requires leaders who will name the demons of our moment—pornography, contempt, factionalism, and despair—along with the corporal needs we already know by heart.

Along the way, we wrestle with our own tone. Social media rewards scorn, but the Gospel commands love of the person in front of us—even when we disagree. We talk about reverence for the Eucharist, when not to receive, and how to keep Sundays from souring into resentment for teens. Underneath it all is a plea for shepherds to meet spiritual hunger with supernatural hope: clear teaching, reachable sacraments, and courage that transcends politics.

If this resonates—if you’ve felt unseen while trying to hold your family together in a loud age—press play. Then tell us what help you most need from your parish and your leaders. Subscribe, share with a friend who’s on the same road, and leave a review so more families can find the conversation.

Chapters

• 0:00 Opening & Document Reactions
• 2:00 Charity, Beatitudes, and “Why 97 Pages?”
• 5:30 Parenting Without Support from the Hierarchy
• 10:30 Immigration Focus vs. Cultural Strain
• 15:30 Prudential Policy vs. Moral Teaching
• 20:00 Community Erosion and Parish Distance
• 26:30 Social Media Hostility and Loving Opponents
• 31:00 Enduring Suffering: Scripture and Submission
• 36:00 Spiritual Needs vs. Temporal Fixations

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 0:02

Okay, I think I'm live. I think we're just waiting for Anthony to pop in. I think he's here right now. Okay, we're live.

SPEAKER_03: 0:10

Okay. Um all right, let's see. Yeah, this uh the man. This document there's nothing wrong in it. It's like, oh, the whatever. I didn't even read the whole, like I read excerpts from it, and people are pointing stuff out, and I'm like, I just don't care. It's just so far removed from anything that concerns me. It's like the yes, the church should care for the poor, like the church has always care for the poor, the church should actually care for migrants. Like, this is what the church has always done. It's the body of Christ, and and it's Christ's presence on earth. So, yes, the church has to have a major charitable arm. And yes, these this is the gospel, right? Like the like the you go read the Beatitudes, yes, that's what this is.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00

It's just I I don't see why a 97-page document was needed for that in our day and age.

SPEAKER_03: 1:09

It's like it's it's like this, Rob, because your kids aren't teens yet. Here's what here's what it really is. It's like my my kids think their father is out of his mind because he doesn't let his daughters have Instagram, and they think their father's out of his mind because he talks to them about like all these issues all the time, because there's no support from the church for us. Yeah, there's no support from the church for us, like there's there's no nothing coming from the hierarchy talking to our children about modesty in this day and age and how dangerous it is to let your image be put out there because you are responsible for your image that you put out there. Like, there's no documents like like backing up us parents who are doing our freaking best to raise our children. There's no help from them whatsoever. All there are are these documents that come out to basically confirm the bias of these liberal prelates in the crap they're doing. It's like you get this, you get this confirmation in the in the garbage that you guys are doing, and the Pope says, Oh, this these atrocities that are happening. Yeah, it's like, yeah, okay, we got to care for he. Yeah, we have to make immigrants part of our our community. We cannot leave them out. It's like I my entire Latin mass parish is made up of brown kids. Like they really are, they're part of the community. We don't cast them out because they're not white. Like, what are you even talking about? What are you even talking about? I my company, there's 50 guys that work there. 25 of them are from South and Central America. They barely speak English. I'm friends with them. I care about these men. I work around poor people all day. I buy them lunch all the time.

SPEAKER_02: 3:00

Yeah, half this chat is brown kids.

SPEAKER_03: 3:02

That's what that's but that's it, right? Like half of our show, when we meet our when we meet the people who watch our show, they're not white. Like, it's not this is not what we need help with at all.

SPEAKER_02: 3:13

It's just we I mean, on one hand, yes, we live in a time with probably one of the greatest disparities of wealth in history, right? But at the same time, we also live in a time where the poorest person in America, and I understand that the world's obviously more than America, but let's just say the poorest person in America has an eye. Right, can can go get charity from literally almost anywhere. And I'm not saying we shouldn't even try to do more because of course we should, we definitely should, but this isn't a time and place where like we're not dealing with the the famines in Somalia in you know the 19 early 1990s, that it somehow the cause for 80,000 Somalians now in Minneapolis.

SPEAKER_03: 4:01

But like, like what even is a poor person at this point, right? Like like poverty looks very different in America than it does in India. Like, what like what what about the poor in spirit? Like, listed are the poor in spirit because you had your freaking liturgy robbed from you, and you're 25 of Gen Z is is gay or trans, and we're we're we're worried about immigrants, like no no no, and it's not just that, it's like okay, we uh the confirming these bishops in their push for open borders, it's like, yeah, let immigrants in to the point.

SPEAKER_02: 4:34

We know Greg, because that was only one out of 120 paragraphs.

SPEAKER_03: 4:38

I understand, but the conversation is is very much on this, right? This is this is where the focus of the conversation is. I'm sorry, but a quick video of Leo speaking with those bishops does more than this apostolic exhortation. This 98-page apostolic exhortation will get way less traction than that clip of Leo meeting with bishop seats, confirming them in their work and telling them, yes, you go and you you push against this administration. You guys are opening the freaking borders up and and welcoming these people into the point where my own son cannot afford to buy a home, right?

SPEAKER_02: 5:15

And so much of this is more prudential issues than it is moral, right? Like, uh, because I imagine, and even the part about immigrants, probably that whole thing is probably morally just fine, you know, probably dogmatically just fine.

SPEAKER_03: 5:29

Um, but prudentially, do they not realize like this push that they're pushing for is actually impoverishing more people than it's impoverishing more, impoverishing the the wealthiest nation in the world, dude. More than that, it is disintegrating any kind of culture we have, and that's what we were like that's the point. Like, you're opening up the floodgates to foreigners, and you're disintegrating the culture that actually could be built to have my children have Catholic friends, right? I mean, they're don't have Catholic friends because one billion people in India.

SPEAKER_02: 6:04

So, what you bring a hundred million of them here, and does that help the other 900 million plus in India? No, but what it was, what does a hundred million of them here do?

SPEAKER_03: 6:14

Destroys our whole nation, destroys any semblance of community that we have with each other. Like, like they they put us in a position where I can't even have a community with my parish because we're all driving an hour and a half to get there, so you can't, it's not like your kids can be friends with their kids because they're driving from an hour and a half in the opposite direction. It's so wicked and evil what they're doing.

SPEAKER_02: 6:43

The the whole Twin Cities metro is like 2.5 million, but the city of Minneapolis itself is half a million, 500,000. 20 of that city is now Somali.

unknown: 6:52

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02: 6:53

20 or 20, one in five people are small.

SPEAKER_03: 6:59

It's just a church so freaking out of touch with what her sons and daughters need right now. And I'm watching all the liberals go, oh, this is amazing. All that is is them getting confirmed in their liberal politics. So all you're doing, you're not actually gonna change anybody, like you, you're just you I just I want to see something that really does transcend politics that really does transcend politics and actually calls us to something hard because it's yeah, okay. If you if you don't love the poor, you're gonna go to hell, is essentially what Leo's saying, and I agree with that. But how about if you don't love your neighbor who has a different political opinion than you? Because if you hate your brother, you're going to hell. And we're we're there is so much animosity. People were asking in that last video we did like, why are you so nice to Mike Lewis? Because I actually take this stuff seriously. That's why no, it's because I actually do want to like treat others the way they're supposed to be treated. Like it's I'm not kidding. It's it's it's like I need to for and and not just that, I want to actually understand the argument from their perspective. I don't want to just yell across and call them an idiot. I want to actually understand where they're coming from with this. I may disagree with them to the foundation of my being, but I should still be able to treat them like a human being. This is really like um the way we all treat one another at this point because of social media and stuff like that. Like, how about give us how about give us an exhortation on that? Like how to love someone you disagree with, because that is something that would be very valuable, and especially because it should be pointed at the liberals who hate us. Like we are like God has a special place in his heart for the downtrodden and for those who are oppressed. Like, you guys have done that to us. Look, it's I'm I'm at a point now where I really do see like all of this as it's going to work for our our our our good if we if we handle it right. Like if if we if we accept if we just accept the suffering and just love these people through their punishment of us, which is gonna be difficult. It's gonna be very difficult. But like you have to love the people who are who are being awful to you. Like uh 1 Peter 4.

SPEAKER_01: 9:53

Man, uh let me say what's the actual verse.

SPEAKER_03: 9:56

Uh um well, it's uh there's one in uh Ephesians 6.5.

SPEAKER_02: 10:06

Uh Christ uh four is where they think it's strange. Yeah, that's not true. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03: 10:12

Ephesians 6.5, I think. But there's another one in first in 2 Peter, I think. Ephesians 6.5. Ephesians 6.5, verse Ephesians 6, verse 5 through 9. And then it's 1 Peter 2.18. Actually, 1 Peter 2.18. Let's go to that one. They're saying similar things. 1 Peter 2.18, though. This is this is important.

SPEAKER_02: 10:45

Okay. Uh I don't think this is right. 1 Peter 2.18. Servants be subject to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froid.

SPEAKER_03: 11:01

Yeah. Slaves. Like, love your masters, even the cruel ones. Like submit, even the cruel ones. It's not easy, man. Like we're being beaten, we're being just tormented. We're sitting here and we're watching our church taken over by by awful people. Like, you look at what that bishop in Charlotte did, and all I'm all I'm thinking is while I'm watching that going on, like, blessed are you that mourn for you will be comforted. Like, yes, you guys are suffering a death in Charlotte. You will be comforted. Like the Beatitudes, you go back and you read the Beatitudes, like, they're so freaking important. They really are. And I know that's what like this whole thing that they're doing with this document. It's like they think they're exhorting us to love the poor. They're it's going to have the opposite effect, it's going to make people revile them because there's real problems that are occurring from the things they're doing in our country, and they're we're being told, shut up and take it, love them. And it's like, yes, I know. Like, I know, like, like you really should see the face of Christ in every person, right? And especially like, like, you look at what St. Francis did with the lepers, like Saint Francis, he was skeeved out by the lepers, so he had like forced himself to go and like lay with them and touch them, and he wound up falling in love with them. And it's a difficult thing to do to see the face of Christ in every person, but you really are called to do that. So, I have no issue with like them exhorting us to love the poor and care for everybody. Like, that's fine, it's just so out of touch with what real people are facing right now, with the amount of temptation and the and the amount of like the demonic that's out here. Like, what we really need is the church's supernatural graces poured out right now, and they're not do all they want us focused on is the temporal.

SPEAKER_02: 13:02

Um, not only are they not giving them to us, they're ripping them away from us, ripping them away from us. Yeah, there are times and happens fairly frequently where like I get really, really discouraged. Um especially on weekends where for whatever reason, like we can't make the four-hour round trip drive to mass, right? And like it's it's like you know, as a as a husband and father, and even just as a Catholic, all I want to do is go to mass and worship God and receive the sacraments and and share that with my wife and and with my kids, and yet the the the church is more or less forcing me to it almost seems like like it's almost like an impossible task, right?

SPEAKER_03: 13:59

It's not just to make the drive, to get my kids baptized, to your kids are little right now, they'll do what you say. What do you think is gonna happen when you're 14 and you're forcing them to go four hours on a Sunday? They're gonna hate religion.

SPEAKER_02: 14:11

Well, I know that's that's what discouraged that's what really discourages me. Is if it's this hard now, how how much harder is it gonna be when we have two, three more kids, and now Maddie's you know 12 years old, and I don't know.

SPEAKER_03: 14:26

Listen, I know most of our audience is younger, you guys all have younger kids. I'm telling you what it gets like when you get older, like when the kids get older, like my kids love the Latin mass, but on Sunday when we wake up and it's like we gotta go drive an hour, they're like, uh like it builds a resentment that they have to drive a freaking hour, and they're like, Can't we just go to the Novus Oro? It's so convenient. It's like, no, we can't. It it's it gets hard when they get older and they become teenagers. It gets difficult when all your kids' friends are able to do things, and you're like, No, that's we're not doing that, and they start thinking like then Catholicism becomes burdensome, and when they go to mass, they're not hearing the priests confirm the father in the things that he's doing, they're not hearing that from anywhere else, and they just think their father's a freaking, you know, it's like this it gets difficult when your kids get older, man. I'm telling you, it's like I mean, my kids are all awesome and they're grateful for everything, and they they whatever. I'm just telling you, I know what this is gonna be like for people. It's easy when your kids are little because they kind of do whatever you say, but once they start getting it, you know, my my my son's 19, my daughter's 18, my other daughter's 14. It gets gets tricky, like they would rather just have it be. Why can't we just go to the church that's around the block? You know, it's just it's it's a lot, and and it's it's wears to worry about that in a few years because there probably won't be a church around the block. But yeah, they're gonna shut down half the parishes over the next few years on top of that. Yeah, even though even the Nova Zordo is gonna be getting shut down.

SPEAKER_02: 16:02

Well, especially the Nova Zordo.

SPEAKER_03: 16:07

Um, yeah, near nearest TLM is an hour and a half and starts at 9 a.m. So you gotta leave at 7 a.m. to go to 9 a.m.

SPEAKER_02: 16:15

I'd be okay with that. I mean, yeah, we'd have to leave at at 6:30 for us, but at least then we could be home by you know one. Now it's we wake up, start getting ready for mass, go to mass. By the time we're home, it's like kids, time to get ready for bed.

SPEAKER_03: 16:34

Yeah, no, it's well, that's what it is. It takes your entire day up, you know, and it's like like so. So I mean, what we do is especially like if we're gonna go into the city because it's an hour and 20 minutes, I'll take them out and we'll do something in the city that day. So I kind of make it an adventure, but that gets expensive every freaking Sunday.

SPEAKER_02: 16:51

Going out to eat in the city every Sunday because you want it, like it's not I do what I do what I think it's 120 bucks to eat anywhere, but you know, that's not fast food, and fast food it's still 80, 90 bucks.

SPEAKER_03: 17:03

So what but that's what it turns into, and it's like so so we go all the way into the city, and then we want to go out to eat something after because I want to make it spell right. Take them to go see something in New York City so that they're not like dreading going to church just for this just to go to church for five hours of their day, right? You know, that's like five, six hours of their day because we went to church. It's a lot, that's all I'm saying. I'm not saying they don't do it, they do it, but it's a lot, and it's it's just it gets tedious and it gets and it wears you down. Let's put let's play the the full Nick clip because he he gets into something that I like I finally heard him vent the same frustration that we all have, which was happy to hear it. I was like, Finally, he's saying what like because it's not just about immigration, it's about all these things that we always talk about, and it was refreshing to hear him say it. Cigar mode, pack a picnic, go someplace, and he's good. Yeah, we do that too, but it's like it what why should I have to do that? But no, I wouldn't mind doing that. Like, I want to spend the time with my kids, it's not it's fine, but like the things to do in New York, like you're not packing a picnic on a Sunday in in the winter. I'm sorry, you're just not, you know, like you have to like. I mean, I've you know, me and Nicole have taken the kids to the museum, like I've taken them to the MoMA to go and see um uh to go and see like uh uh what no the Metropolitan Museum we've taken them to, and I'll then then I'll spend the day like showing them uh medieval Christian art and stuff like that. It it is a fun, beautiful experience. It's just it should just be you wake up and you go to mass 10 minutes away. It's just a lot.

SPEAKER_02: 18:37

Yeah, it it doesn't help that in our day and age, like you know, we we work outside of the home, which is is fairly like relatively recent in history where that was a thing for even men, you know. So I have two days a week to do anything around the house. Yeah, and now when I go to mass, you know, when I go to the TLM, I now only have Saturdays. Saturdays is the one day a week I now have to do anything at home.

SPEAKER_03: 19:03

Yeah, and I'm telling I'm telling you, we got a book of Father Maudley interview.

unknown: 19:08

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03: 19:11

I was feeling so white pill. Thank you, Anthony, for reminding me that all hope is lost.

SPEAKER_02: 19:15

I'm just saying here I am saying how hard it is, thinking maybe you'll give me some sort of advice to make it you know better. You're like, no, man, it's gonna get way worse.

SPEAKER_03: 19:23

No, I'm just I honestly, this this exhortation, especially seeing the people like oh, seeing every everybody like even like I love Wagner, I love him, but he's like, This isn't just like a Marxist document, he says some really good things, and I'm like, I'm sure he does, but sure he says some good things. The Pope, I would hope he says some good things in it. I would hope the Pope said a few good things in his apostolic exhortation. It's very cool. I just would like to see some things that actually matter to us.

SPEAKER_02: 19:54

We have 900,000 kids being aborted a year in the US, we have 50,000 Nigerians being slaughtered a year by Muslims in Nigeria, and yet we're worried about the not that we should worry about the poor.

SPEAKER_03: 20:08

I don't want to downplay that. Like, we like I know, like, yes, we should love the poor. The church is doing a good thing in its missionary spirit and caring for the poor. Like, yes, yes, of course, it's the church, the church has always done this. You go back and you go back into the early church, and that's literally how they converted the world, is by caring for the the throwaways of the culture, and it was so appealing that the pagan the pagan priests would pretend they cared about the poor. Like it is a beautiful thing, it's a good way to evangelize too, and you're showing the world what love is like you love one another, that's how they'll know us by our love. Yes, that's all good, but we're in a very unique point in time right now where the culture is degrading around us, there's evil everywhere, and we need the church's supernatural gifts, and they're depriving us of it, and it's really, really frustrating. And all they're doing is taking political stances that cause havoc, always with the wrong end of the political spectrum with these guys because they just want to be confirmed in their bias and be told, look, it's dude, it's the seamless garment stuff. It's like, well, those conservatives, they're they're first of all, I hate capitalism. So like it's not I don't even care that he's critiquing capitalism. Capitalism sucks, we're all slaves. Like it's fine, he's not he's not not pushing socialism. Like, you're gonna get you're gonna get boomers who are like this is socialist Marxism. No, the church has never actually been for unfettered capitalism, like it just hasn't. It's not good. It's it it makes everybody a commodity, and you're just a wheel and a cog. I'm all fine with like trying to figure out a better system, but it's just well, there was a third way, but World War II had to go and screw that up, yeah. Right. All right, let's play the four at this clip.

SPEAKER_00: 21:59

Why is it that the Pope is always undermining U.S. immigration policy? Because now I see Catholic priests in Chicago and they're doing like protests against the deportations, and they're doing that because they're emboldened by the Pope. The Pope sets the tone, and now you have ecclesiastical authority, you know, the clergy in America that are that are protesting this political decision. And it's like, you know, you are the vicar of Christ on earth for a heavenly kingdom. I don't know where Jesus gave you the authority to tell us who we can and can't let in our country. You know, these people are here illegally. They're fucking gang members. Trump is not doing mass deportations, okay? These buildings that he's raiding, these are gang members. These are violent gang members, these are people with a criminal record. Uh that so what is actually Catholic about letting people come here illegally? They're invading our fucking country, and they're gangsters. Why do what is Catholic about tolerating that? And you see, for example, in Chicago, ICE did a raid on this apartment building and it was filled with squatters. It was filled with trendy Aragua squatters where they installed their own deadbolt locks. There's like sitting water in the hallways. They're like taking a living from the exit signs. It's like the whole building, it's squalor. There's they're squatters. They're not even living in the building legally. They're not living in our country legally. They get rounded up and kicked out, and the Pope is going to take a position and say, well, you know, that's not pro-life. Hey, man, you know, just the bread and wine, please. Hold the opinions. And I hate to speak so flippantly about that as one of the rare occasions that I will criticize the Pope, because I think a lot of people love to pick on the Pope and criticize the Pope, but it's it's grading. It's little grating. And, you know, I would just love for the Pope to take a firm stand on some of these other issues, too. You know, is there any statement on Charlie Kirk getting murdered? Is there any statement on, you know, these radical left people that are in favor of transgenderism? How about feminism? How about contraceptives? How about abortion? I feel like there's about 50 things the left is doing that are far more heinous before you get to like the Republican immigration policy. You know what I'm saying? Like, think of all the grave matters of morals and theology in America: the apostasy, the idolatry, the blasphemy, the killing, the abortion, the pornography, the sexual sins, the disordered nature of the sexes and their relationship. And you're gonna weigh in and say, well, shining up, these deportations are the problem. Okay, man. So I think sounds like avoiding Bible. What's going on here? Respectfully, I say that with reverence for the audience. Yeah, I say it with reverence and everything, but it's it's it's a little bit out of line. And it starts to get irritating when Catholics in America are starting to undermine this because the Pope has taken the lead on it in this way. It's like that's not helping, actually. You're not actually helping.

SPEAKER_03: 25:21

It's amazing that you cracked under Leo and not Francis, though. I'm just like you cracking under Leo. This is child's play for what we dealt with the past 10 years. No, God bless you, Nick. I'm glad you spoke speaking out about because this stuff is real, like this is important stuff. The things that the culture is actually facing go unaddressed, and we hear platitudes, we hear platitudes that confirm these liberal bishops in their decision to support liberal politicians, even though the freaking we just had uh a lunatic caught at a at a church in DC with 200 bombs about to bomb another Catholic church and try to kill the Catholic uh Supreme Court justice. No, but let's let's let's let's get on let's get on the re let's get on those conservatives because they're they're for getting you know cleaning their country up and getting immigrants out. Like this is insane. This is absolute insanity. I love the freaking church, I love the church. What has happened to the church? Not the church, the church is holy and impeccable, the bride of Christ. What the hell has happened to the hierarchy? They're a bunch of gay communists, literally, like that's what we're what it is the infiltrate like the infiltration of these people into the hierarchy of our church is oh, how long, Lord? How long, how long before 20 to 30 years, probably. Please, Lord, don't make us endure this for much longer. Oh but no, but yeah, all right. So, yeah, immigration is the thing that finally set him off. But he did say all those other things, like the the issue. That's what the he actually encompassed exactly what I'm talking about, right? This document is talking about the poor, and yes, we need to care for the poor. Nobody's denying that, but like the other things he just mentioned there are the things actually facing our culture, the things that us parents who are trying to raise our children Catholic are left on our own. We are alone, we do not have any anyone in the clergy supporting us and trying to do what's right by our children.

SPEAKER_02: 27:50

We literally have have anarchist Satanists trying to brainwash our kids over the internet with with gay trans furry porn so that they can go and and kill Catholic kids in church. Like that literally freaking happened in the last six.

SPEAKER_03: 28:07

I honestly don't want to hear it about like Catholic podcasters like the clergy has abandoned you. I'm sorry, I'm the only freaking pastor you guys have at this point. It sucks. It sucks. You have a freaking YouTube pastor, guys. I feel bad for you. This is where we're at. You're stuck with me as your freaking, as you're as your moral, as you're we're a ministry, we're a ministry, guys.

SPEAKER_02: 28:44

Ministerial apostolate.

SPEAKER_03: 28:47

And that one is loft in arc. Oh man, Father Anthony. No, I'm not look, you might get a good uh SSPX priest, you might get I'm just I'm not like ah man, it's just the church should be speaking about this stuff. This is enraging.

SPEAKER_02: 29:14

All right, well, we would talk to Father Rehill if uh searching someone we know would put us in contact with him.

SPEAKER_03: 29:20

Mike. The only thing keeping me from joining the Church of Anthony is that you don't have the sacraments.

SPEAKER_02: 29:26

Well, hold on, hold on. We'll find uh we'll find a thuok line bishop to ordain them. Yeah, it's not that hard.

SPEAKER_03: 29:36

Uh if you time traveled yourself 10-15 years ago, you wouldn't believe a word of any of this. Everyone needs to stop being the slow boiled frog. Um I I I don't know, 15 years. Um, yeah, no, this I mean, look, I was a Pope spleener up until Francis, you know. I mean, even early on in the Francis pontificate, I was doing that stuff. It's just I I you know it took it took it was it was not this bad before Francis. I'm telling you, it wasn't like I I know the council and the revolution and all that stuff, but you still had bishops paying lip service to stuff before Francis. Like you really did. You still had bishops paying lip service to like life issues and things like that. So you felt like at least the church had your back when you were fighting these battles. We are literally on our own, guys. We're on our own. It's super, super frustrating.

SPEAKER_02: 30:40

But it's exactly like that. That tweet thread by um whatever, whoever it was that we read the other night. You know, it's up to you. You gotta be the bastard that's that's hell. You gotta be the the the second son who picks up a sword.

SPEAKER_03: 31:00

That that's that's well and good, but there's not much we could do about the sacrament. Like these people, like everybody's saying, it's like we don't have sacraments, you know. Yeah, I'm I think I'm going to reach out to Father Dan Rehill. Um uh my my my friend Tom uh suggested that to me too. Um, and maybe we could get him with Mike uh now that Pantila is over there. But it's just you know, we're uh it's probably better that we did this over here. Uh I'm sorry guys. I just I I got you know, I was reading I was reading some of the uh responses to my to my tweets today, and I thought I had some pretty good tweets. I honestly did. I I know you guys hate when I just read my Twitter, but um no, I had some good ones. It was um uh where was uh like blessed are the poor in spirit, for they have been robbed of the treasures of heaven by wicked men, theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Uh and then the one I wrote, I said I'm supposed to believe the hierarchy cares about the poor when they've robbed us of the greatest treasures. And Chewy Yorkie says, So ridiculous, you were not robbed of anything. No, you respectfully the hawk, you were not robbed of anything because you don't care what was taken from you, you don't care about exactly so you were not robbed because you were part of the revolution, and I don't even care that I was robbed at this point.

SPEAKER_02: 32:32

It pisses me off that my children were robbed, that I can't get them the freaking mass, that I can't get them baptized without going eight-hour round trip out of our way. Are you freaking joking me?

SPEAKER_03: 32:44

Then I got Forrest Womack saying this sounds like a woman's complaint. Isn't that a woman? Okay, isn't she a woman? And then Jeremy Jer Jeremy Darling, um, they robbed us of the Eucharist. I I just like so that was how I came down to like I that was what I read before I came. What did they robbed? Because I say they robbed us of the treasures of the church, they robbed us of the Eucharist because in their mind that's all the mass is the as long as you want to receive Jesus, it's all the mass is you get Jesus, that's it. You it's like I I went to mass last Sunday at uh uh society chapel, and uh the I've been sick, so I went to bed that night, and my air conditioner was blowing right in my face, and I woke up and like my eyes were super red, my nose was stuffy, I was so dehydrated, and I went to mass. And when I tell you, like, I was like so dehydrated that I didn't receive communion because I was afraid I would choke on the host, like I was legit afraid I would choke on the host, and it was of course a high mass that went for an hour and 45 minutes, and I like the second he said the masses ended, I had to run out to my car to get water. That's how bad like I know you're allowed to drink water at mass, right? I didn't have one on me though, okay. It was a drinking fountain. I didn't, I like I don't go there that often. I didn't want to like I don't know if they had a water fountain. I would I I would have I could have gone to the bathroom and like drank out of the sink, I guess, but I just as soon as he said the masses ended, I just shot out the door because they were gonna do a procession after I was like, Oh no, I can't, like I can't, I'm not gonna make it so. But I said that, and uh like people were like, I'd rather die than not receive the Eucharist.

SPEAKER_02: 34:30

It's like I honestly, guys, like you're not even hardly Catholic at that point, like you really not actually don't need to receive at mass.

SPEAKER_03: 34:39

Like, you can go, like, I actually will do that, even if I'm not in mortal sin at times. Like, I'll just go and I'll sit at mass and I won't receive because I might not have the right disposition, right? Because it's not about being in mortal sin. I I might have not been paying attention at mass, and I just don't have the right disposition. Like, I take receiving very seriously, and it's like if I if I was distracted the whole mass, it's like I'm not gonna go up and just go get my wafer. That's not how it works.

SPEAKER_02: 35:00

King King Louis IX went to mass twice a day, he received the Eucharist six times a year, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 35:08

And that and that it's like like the the practice of receiving every mass or especially every day is very recent. Yeah, it's like 20th century, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 35:21

And not not that not that that wasn't a good thing, but people have taken it have taken it way too far. Like you said, not only are you supposed to not be a mortal sin, you like traditionally you need the proper disposition, yeah, which is why so I I don't go to novus ordal masses anymore, but even for the uh a while the last year or two that I did, I often wouldn't receive at a Novusordal mass.

SPEAKER_03: 35:46

Yeah, because you're frustrated the whole time, I was angry. Yeah, you're pissed off. So, like you shouldn't actually receive in that situation because you you don't want to go up and have something against your brother. Like, if you have something against your brother, go leave your gift at the altar and go go make amends, you know. And if you're angry at the people around you because they're distracting you, things like that. So, yeah, so that's why I didn't receive something because I was just like, Yeah, my my mind was so distracted the entire mass because I was so thirsty, and I was just like, all I could pay attention to was how thirsty I was the whole mass. And I was like, All right, I'm gonna sit through the whole thing, but I didn't, you know, I didn't receive.

SPEAKER_02: 36:26

Um asked if I stayed kneeling or went up with my arms crossed. There's there's no reason to go get a blessing at the Eucharist. You receive the same blessing at the end of the mass as everyone does, so to stay kneeling.

SPEAKER_03: 36:45

Yeah, that's true. Like the the priest blesses you at the end of Mass. The same blessing.

SPEAKER_02: 36:52

Matter of fact, it's more of a blessing, probably, honestly, truthfully. Um, whatever you do, if it's not the priest at the line, then definitely don't go up because a deacon can't bless you, a Eucharistic minister can't bless you. Only a priest can bless you. So extraordinary minister blessings, and yeah, someone goes when guys like Rob stay kneeling, you can't get by them in the pew. That's too bad. Like uh, like Marshall says, take up space, right?

SPEAKER_03: 37:30

Um, all right. Uh all right, we could we could wrap this one. Um, I was actually I we got in the green room and I was like, Rob, can we push this to tomorrow? Like we were very close to not doing this show tonight, and uh I don't know. I I I'm very tired. I've been sick for three weeks. I really need rest.

SPEAKER_02: 37:48

You've you've literally been sick since Detroit. Since Detroit, since I got home from Detroit. It's been more than four weeks at this point.

SPEAKER_03: 37:55

Since I got home from Detroit, the day I got home from Detroit, I started feeling sick, and it got like progressively worse. Now my cough is gone. Like I don't have that raspy cough anymore, but um uh now I'm now I have a cold.

SPEAKER_02: 38:10

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03: 38:11

Yeah, all right. We're gonna we're gonna wrap this one up. I saw it. Yeah, and I can't read the words.

SPEAKER_02: 38:19

Um no, I can't read it. I'm not reading them on air. All right, all right.

SPEAKER_03: 38:25

I'll try and read them. Hang on. Can I click on it and make it bigger?

SPEAKER_02: 38:28

Click on it, it'll make it bigger.

SPEAKER_03: 38:30

Um, it'd be a sin for him not to be as long as he wears tweet. Oh goodness. All right, you guys are amazing.

SPEAKER_02: 38:42

Well, yes, trading did get Anthony sick. That's trading got me sick. Trading got you sick.

SPEAKER_03: 38:49

They put a curse on me when we we didn't jump. Wait, who gotta call Holdsworth? Is he sick too? I think that's a good question we should ask. Uh oh, Brian's gonna come on soon. I I reached out to him twice so far, but he's been busy both times. But he's like he said uh he's going to uh he's gonna come on with us soon. We I I want to get Brian on.

SPEAKER_02: 39:12

Yeah, we gotta go gotta have him on. Uh, we're gonna be on the rundown next Friday.

SPEAKER_03: 39:17

Next Friday, Rob and I will be on the rundown.

SPEAKER_02: 39:20

Um then next no, not not next Saturday. Saturday after is Maudsley. You have you're on are you Monday unscripted or are they on the Catholic Unscripted Monday?

SPEAKER_03: 39:33

Man, we got a lot coming up. Oh my goodness, we got a lot coming up. We're going to bed, guys. I gotta get some sleep because I got a lot of streaming coming up. Um, all right, we will see you guys on Tuesday.

unknown: 39:44

Take it.

SPEAKER_02: 39:44

So are you on with them on Monday?

SPEAKER_03: 39:46

I'm on with them Monday.

SPEAKER_02: 39:47

Okay, so I don't have to make a stream or anything like that. Okay, no, that's all I needed to know. All right, okay. You know what? Screw the exit. We're just