When the unthinkable happens, do you have someone who has your back?

The cavalry isn’t coming—and that’s not a doomsday slogan, it’s the lived reality in towns cutting police hours and cities where 911 stalls. We take that uncomfortable truth and turn it into a plan: how to build a small, Catholic mutual assistance group that actually holds under stress. No cosplay, no fantasy—just clear roles, shared skills, and a prayer life that anchors everything.

We start by puncturing the lone-wolf myth and mapping the real constraints: unpredictable platform rules around firearms, DAs who change the stakes by zip code, and emergency services that prioritize institutions over families. From there we get practical. Family buy-in comes first and it’s won with everyday examples—water when mains break, heat when the grid falters, first aid when minutes matter. Then we go find people where seriousness congregates: USPSA and IDPA matches, ham radio clubs, CERT and volunteer rescue, 4-H, homestead circles, and Knights of Columbus councils ready for renewal. Skills beat swagger—medics, electricians, welders, growers, and comms nerds are the backbone; rifles are the tip of a much larger spear.

Leadership gets one chair. We outline a lean structure, redundancy across roles, simple comms plans, on-paper inventories, and an intel habit that shrinks the fog of war. We keep it legal and layered—cookouts before carbine days, no shortcuts, no stunts. Spiritual life isn’t a bolt-on; we pray the Rosary, read, and keep Sundays, because order in the soul builds order in the street. On gear and training, we favor standardization, sustainable ammo budgets, and drills that sharpen judgment over ego. Fitness becomes logistics you wear: walking, rucking, lifting—the quiet work that lets fathers carry children upstairs when it counts.

If you’ve wondered how to move from anxiety to action, this conversation is your blueprint. Subscribe, share with someone who should be on your team, and tell us: what skill will you bring to your group this month?

Chapters

• 0:00 Cold Opens, Illness, and Banter
• 2:10 Platforms, Policies, and Channel Strategy
• 5:34 New Channel Announcement & Rationale
• 7:20 Policing Realities and 911 Limitations
• 12:35 Legal Risk by Geography
• 17:50 Housing, Migration, and Economy Signals
• 23:24 Topic Launch: Mutual Assistance Groups
• 26:22 Lone Wolf Myths vs Group Realities
• 31:20 Family Buy‑In and Practical Scenarios
• 36:45 Where to Find Your People
• 42:18 Knights of Columbus, Culture, and Leadership
• 49:10 Structure, Roles, and Intel Basics
• 55:12 Vetting, Feds, and Staying Legal
• 1:00:05 Spiritual Life without Guaranteed Clergy
• 1:04:36 Books, Training, and Skill Maintenance
• 1:09:40 Ammo, Calibers, and Budgeting
• 1:16:22 Game, Dogs, and Collapse Dynamics
• 1:21:40 Fitness, Discipline, and Daily Habits
• 1:25:45 Community Challenge, Plugs, and Closing

Transcript

SPEAKER_03: 0:41

Y'all gonna have to excuse me tonight. I've got a little bit of the COVID. It it's so weird how how the symptoms are different person to person. Like my kids, they all had like a spiked fever, and then like my wife has an earache, right? And and I'm congested, and it feels like I've got cotton being pushed out of my head, you know. Well, I mean, you live in Alabama. Well, there is that too. Thankfully, I don't have any like hay allergies or anything. My boy does, man. We go to my property down the road, and uh we I'll just leave the windows down and we'll ride around in the fields in my truck. By the time we're back, my my boy's eyes are all swollen shut. Like, oh man, we got to do something about that.

SPEAKER_05: 1:29

Every yeah, I get a sinus infection at least once a year down here in all in the central Texas area. Yeah, never had a sinus infection up north until I moved down here. First time I got one, I thought I was dying. I really did. It was just the worst thing in the world. But yeah, it's it's it's no bueno.

SPEAKER_01: 1:45

Man cold, it will get you.

SPEAKER_03: 1:47

It will. I said it to my wife earlier. I was like, look, you know, when y'all when women have babies, it's almost like you can come close to what it's like for us when we have a cold. 100%. It's just so it's you know, it'll really tear you up.

SPEAKER_01: 2:01

For uh, for those of you who don't know, I'm sure everyone who's been on the channel before has seen Rick Barrett once or twice with us, but uh Rick is joining us tonight. He he um he just started a pretty recent uh pretty similar show to this on his own channel on uh uh Rick Cast, right, Rick?

SPEAKER_05: 2:20

That's correct. Yep, it's called the Council of St. Michael. Um, a little bit of you know inspiration from you guys doing it, uh kind of thinking about it for a while, but seeing you guys do I'm like, all right, yeah, there's there's an audience for it, and I think the time is now that we need to get as much information out to as people from you know, there's a thousand different Catholic apetic channels. I'm sure I'm pretty sure we can have two Catholic channels talking about like guns and cool stuff. So, you know, there's there's no reason for any uh any uh rivalry or anything like that. So it is an absolute pleasure to be here tonight. Thank you guys for the invite. Uh honored to be here. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 2:59

I I do love how YouTube changed their firearm policy as soon as we started these two channels though.

SPEAKER_05: 3:06

Any day that ends in why the firearm policy is up for the ban on YouTube. It just depends on how they feel that day.

SPEAKER_01: 3:11

Good point.

SPEAKER_05: 3:12

It's it's awful.

SPEAKER_03: 3:13

So it's yeah, we uh I was listening to a show the other day, and they were talking about um that you know because the policies change so quickly, people don't know like what can we even talk about, you know. Like what what's gonna get us shadow banned this time, right? You know, it's so hard to keep up, but it's done intentionally, right? That the the reason that we still do it here is because this still has the furthest reach. Yep, like whether we hate we hate that it does, but I would rather do this on like you know, gab or something else, you know, X maybe, right? But this still has the further the issue with Rumble is their you their uh interface is horrible, god awful. Um it's like using MS DOS again, it's so bad.

SPEAKER_05: 3:58

Yeah, I'd love to support it. Uh you know, especially if you stream from there, you have the opportunity to do add reads if you have a certain number of people that watch and all these other kinds of there's definitely they try to get you to use it, and then you use it, and you know, it's like okay, I I might as well be not.

SPEAKER_03: 4:16

So I had to they are getting better because I know on the app side it looks a whole lot better than it did. Um, so hopefully in the future it's good enough, and hopefully the future's got enough reach that the where it competes with YouTube. It's just right now we get so many people just on this show who just happen stance come across to us, you know, and and they come in and they'll they'll watch, you know, which we wouldn't get on Rumble because that's pretty much a captured clientele over there.

SPEAKER_05: 4:45

The money, it's the money. You Google has no problem pouring billions into this to lose money, they have it to burn, and rumble is even with the amount of money they tell that people, it's still light years, light years behind what they're trying to do there.

SPEAKER_01: 5:00

Yep. Um, one on one announcement we do have is this will actually be the last time this show is on the main avoiding Babylon YouTube channel. Over the next week, I will be making a separate channel for Guns and Rosaries. The reasons being one, uh, right now the algorithm on YouTube is a little weird, and new channels are getting a lot bigger reach than old channels that are shadow banned for whatever reason. Not saying avoiding Babylon is shadow banned, but the views have been a little weird. So um hopefully a new channel helps that. Two, because the firearm policy is so up in the air all the time, I wouldn't want some of our videos on this subject to get the whole channel taken down. So um, next week, next Monday, this will be on a separate Guns and Rosary channels. Um, I will send that out and share that uh channel when it's available, but just so you all are aware of that.

SPEAKER_04: 5:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 5:59

And then you can tell like Rick uh uh Timcast, Tim Pools. Like, I started a separate Timpool channel and I pull the same videos. The new Timpool channel gets twice as many views as the old one. Yeah, and so if if the if one of the big dogs is dealing with that, who knows what the rest of us are dealing with.

SPEAKER_03: 6:14

So it's absolutely it's a smart, it's a smart call on that part, and that was one of the things I was concerned about when I approached Rob with this idea, is um, I didn't want this to really inhibit their what they do on Tuesdays and Thursdays. So I was like, hey, we may need to eventually switch to Sother's own channel. That way, if like we get banned on our own channel, like it doesn't affect them. That's I've been very careful about a lot of the things I say on this channel specifically because of that. Um like just imagine if y'all had the unfiltered, it'd be crazy.

SPEAKER_01: 6:44

Well, the video we did um like the on EDC, just showing our you know, our our carry guns on camera. Now the policy is you have to prove you are at a range to show a firearm on YouTube, so that video could get the whole channel taken down theoretically.

SPEAKER_03: 7:02

Yep, absolutely. And I don't like locals, so that's not all me that I would have taken down the one behind me.

SPEAKER_05: 7:10

Yeah, yeah, give me a heads up on that one. That's probably why my videos aren't getting my tree, but uh oops, sorry, it wasn't putting wasn't intentional, I promise. No problem. Like you can't show mag changes, you can't show any of that kind of stuff on this.

SPEAKER_03: 7:26

You can't you can't show taking a gun apart, none of that at all.

SPEAKER_05: 7:31

And it's just which is funny because there's still videos about that all over the place, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 7:34

You know, well, and those are really just uh Democli's sword hanging over channels in case they ever want to get rid of them. Well, that was the reason, yeah, because you had all these you know shows that went against the policy. But that's what happens when you're constantly shifting the goalposts, and you know, hopefully one day maybe X is better than this for us to post to. You know, right now X is using great videos. Yeah, it's it's horrible for videos. Um, so it's just not it's just really a non-star for right now. Maybe that'll change, who knows?

SPEAKER_01: 8:07

And I I think having a separate channel will make it easier for anyone looking for by your arm or you know, yeah, preparate prepper related content. They're not gonna necessarily search out a a Catholic channel that's been doing Catholic stuff for five four years.

SPEAKER_03: 8:26

Yeah, that's been the interesting because I've been watching a lot of channels that I haven't watched in years lately, just kind of see like what are they doing, and it's almost like a lot of these gun channels or prepper channels or whatever, self-reliance, homesteading, whatever it is, they're on like a three-year cycle, right? Like every three years, they start rehashing the same topics, yeah. Right, it's over and over and over. Um, and I and I I get that it I guess it's it's hard to to keep going about the same things, right? Which is probably why it's good that you know, Rob, you and and Anthony have done a lot of more like responding to cultural issues, which we do here as well. We've done a little bit, um, but these especially these first half dozen, dozen shows are trying to get y'all caught up in some of these topics that you may have never been exposed to before, right? Um, like tonight we're gonna go over mutual assistance groups, right? Um, and that was not a thing 10 years ago. 10 years ago, it was all about the lone wolf, right? And being out on your own and you know, having to take care of things by yourself because you know, whatever, right? That's the the anarcho-libertarian, you know, fever dream. But um, you know, the things like topics like that, y'all may not be exposed to. They usually y'all can start looking into these things, and and a lot of what we'll go over tonight is is a lot of wave tops, right? You can get a whole lot deeper into stuff and go out and search other channels. Um, but there are some aspects that come from our faith that y'all gonna have to be aware of on some of this stuff, um, when y'all start looking for these things, right? Because we're all seeing the shape of the world right now, and we're probably gonna be doing like a forefront war here soon. Um, and you're gonna be on your own. And you when you call 911 to help, they're not gonna be able to come help uh because they're gonna be involved in their own stuff.

SPEAKER_05: 10:08

Um, so you have that, and also you have the fact that the most modern police departments, urban we'll say, uh, are still they'll they've never recovered and will never recover from 2020 and the defund movement. There were stories from 2020 all the way up to today where I'm I I remember this one clear as day, but I can I was doing Catholic radio. Um, there was a a part of Pittsburgh where they put out a a bulletin and they say, guess what? From about 12 to 6, 911 doesn't work. We don't have the uh we don't have the people to cover it. So you can call us, but nobody's gonna answer the actual phone. And so that stuff has already happened. And the fact of the matter is, you know, police, and this is one of my favorite lines, police are not obligated, Shaney B. Winnebago, the Supreme Court decision eight nine, they're not obligated to protect you. Fourteenth Amendment states they don't they don't have to get involved in private parties, they're literally there to take notes, do some chalk outlines, and maybe like you know, put a tourniquet on you if they feel they feel like they're up to it. Now, I always preface that by saying there are a lot of really good police officers that go above and beyond, they try to do their job, but when it comes down to it, they don't have they don't have to do anything, right?

SPEAKER_01: 11:27

And I think we go ahead, Rob. Well, I was just gonna say where I live, like right now, we my little town, it's about 1,500 people. Um we have budget cuts coming up for the city this upcoming year that might make us reduce our police force down to one full-time officer. That's full-time like 40 hours a week, not full-time all you know, 24 hours a day. So we will no longer have 24 hour coverage in my little, you know, my little town. Um, sure, we have a county sheriff, obviously, but you know, he's got uh they have a whole county to deal with, so you know, the next nearest cop is gonna be 25 minutes away at best if they're doing literally nothing else and are as close as possible. So, yeah, I mean that depending on where you live, if you're out in the sticks, you know, the cops might be half an hour away.

SPEAKER_03: 12:24

And we saw that we saw that this weekend, the cops aren't even protecting other cops in Chicago. Yeah, if y'all saw that update where um the feds went in and they got basically ambushed and surrounded on all sides, and the Chicago police were told not to respond and help them, right? If cops don't even help other cops, they're not gonna help us, especially in your very blue urban areas.

SPEAKER_05: 12:48

What has happened is with the default and the movement, you got rid of all the good ones in a lot of places, and you replaced them with essentially gay race communists who are they believe in the movement, they believe in that, all that kind of stuff. So they're not the last thing they're gonna do, it's almost like in Portland, Antifa and the um and and the adjutant and the cops are hand in hand. So that's that's what you're gonna be dealing with in those areas.

SPEAKER_03: 13:16

So it absolutely, absolutely, you know. It for those of y'all that you know have heard me talk about before, but Mike Shelby over at Fort Reserver, you know, he's been reporting on this stuff forever, right? And in Portland is an occupied territory. Like you, I if you're if you're in Portland and you're carrying and you have to use it, you are going to jail, even if you're in the right, right? So just what's what's his name?

SPEAKER_01: 13:38

What's his name? Uh Nick's order, right? He he uh defended himself with what threw a punch and got arrested. Yeah, I mean it's crazy.

SPEAKER_05: 13:48

That's the DA's, that's that whole thing, as you were saying, Adrian. Um, you know, that's what I when I teach my LTC classes. I tell them, hey, if you're in Austin, if you're in San Antonio, if you're in Dallas, you're probably better off not drawing your weapon. You got to get out of there because they will drag you, even if you have CCW safe or attorneys and retain or any of those guys, you're gonna get dragged. You know, you're you're there's no possible way you're getting out of that one. So yeah you gotta be also gonna caution where you are in those in those situations.

SPEAKER_03: 14:18

It's even here in Alabama, it's the same way, right? I had I did a concealed carry class last year uh with a um he's he's on the SWAT team in one of the cities here in Birmingham, right? And he was he was telling us, like, hey, if you're in Jefferson County or I don't know what county Montgomery's in, but Montgomery just had that huge shooting this weekend, too. That's right. Um, you know, and he's like, if you're there, he's like, if you can get out of there, do it. He's like, if you have to pull your weapon as a last resort because they will fry you, right? And he sees this because he works as a city cop in the city. He's like, I don't even live in Jefferson County. He's like, I live in Shelley County, which is the county south of Jefferson County, which is very red. Um, you know, and he but he's that's what you have to be aware of is is your surrounding and your area of familiarity of what's going on around you because if you're because our Latin mass is in the murder capital of Alabama, right? In fact, a couple of months ago, they had a baptism on a Saturday, and there was a shooting during the baptism about a block away, and as people were leaving the baptism, the body was still on the ground because the police hadn't responded 30 minutes later yet. Wow, yeah, that's reality. Yeah, so just be aware of where you're at, what the laws are where you're at, and just know that if you're in a very urban blue area, you are you you gotta be aware of what's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_05: 15:42

So somebody said move to a red state in the chat, even red state that you know, he's in Alabama, I'm in Texas. Yeah, you gotta be careful just county by county, county by county. It just because of a red state, you know, like whatever happened to Penny or Perry, whatever the guy was in Austin, it took him four years to get a pardon after they dragged him through the system, and that wasn't even guaranteed. So the old idea of just move to a red state is not a be-all in ball, you gotta do your research on that, find out your sheriff, things like that, and and maybe go from there.

SPEAKER_03: 16:11

Well, that's the thing, there's no such thing as a blue state. There are blue cities that rule states, yep. Right, and in in fact, in Illinois, most of Illinois is red, except for Chicago and Champaign and a couple of those other areas.

SPEAKER_01: 16:25

I mean, Minnesota's the same outside of the cities.

SPEAKER_03: 16:28

They've got such a population density that they're able to make laws for the rest of the state that just mirror those values of those of those cities. Um, so that you have to be aware of that. So the reason Alabama works the way it is, is because Birmingham's not that populated. We have a bunch of mid-sized cities in the state of Alabama, and they're mostly red, right? Because they're not too huge. But when you start getting really big, that's when you they start to become very leftist, right? Um, and they can take over areas, but you got other, you know, areas like in Minnesota or St. Paul and Minneapolis basically rule the whole state. Those are such a high majority of people live in those two cities.

SPEAKER_01: 17:11

The Seven County metro area up here in Minnesota has more than half the population of the whole state.

SPEAKER_05: 17:17

So my favorite stat to give people is do you want to know where the largest concentrated number of votes for Trump came from in 2020 and I believe in 2024? And everybody's jaws drop when they tell them it's California. California, if you were actually just section out like the amount of votes, more than Texas, more than any red state, it's just that they don't have any control of any of the, you know, any of the state, any things that matter.

SPEAKER_03: 17:44

We have a lot of folks moving down here from all over the country. And when I meet them, the first thing I tell them is do not vote like you used to vote where you're at in the other state. You moved here for a reason because we don't vote like that, right? So vote like we do, uh, otherwise go back home. But as long as you want to vote like we do and you have the values we do, yeah, absolutely. Come on down. I'll show you the house down the street from me that's for sale right now on 28 acres. Yeah, we have that problem.

SPEAKER_05: 18:12

We have that problem massively.

SPEAKER_03: 18:14

The issue Texas has is everybody, the people who went to Arizona and it wasn't quite liberal enough for them yet, they went to Austin. And now Austin's falling apart.

SPEAKER_05: 18:24

Now Austin is absolutely falling apart. It is it is absolutely disgraceful. Uh, what is actually happening, of course, all the the city Houston's actually worse, but it doesn't get the it doesn't get the rep that Austin has because Austin is just a giant trash pit and it happens to be the capital. But Houston, the only way to go through Houston is with a you know a couple Humvees with 50 cows on top and go through as quickly as possible because there's there's no reason there's no reason to be there.

SPEAKER_01: 18:53

I I hear Dallas is like the H1B capital of the country, right?

SPEAKER_05: 18:57

Oh, it's like mini Mumbai. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, uh McKinney, Frisco, all those places have been taken over by the H1Bs. So there's that, there's all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_03: 19:09

Yeah, it's a it's interesting because I've seen looking at some of the other indicators of what's going around. Um I've seen a lot of houses being staying on the market for a long time and not being not selling, right? So what are some reasons for that? Well, one is rates are still high, right? People think that you know they want to try and get that two and a half percent again. That that's never coming back, first of all. But second of all, they they think, well, it could come back, so I'm not buying a house till then. Then the other side of it is you've got people trying to sell a house, they've been trying to sell for the last five years, right? But but it hasn't sold, so now they're like now they're locked in to how much they think their house is worth because houses were like like theirs were being sold like that two years ago. But the other indicator I see is I have a friend who owns a trucking company, um, and um a rival trucking company of theirs just went out of business over the weekend after about a week because half his drivers got deported back to Mexico, right? Because they couldn't speak or read English, right? They got caught in these uh these traps, these uh rest areas and such, and they got deported right there. And he had to send somebody out to get the truck, right? Because they took them from right there. Um, and so you're seeing a lot of deportations and self-deportations, people who are like, Well, I'm not gonna stick around for this, I'm gonna take what I've earned so far and go back to Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, wherever, right? So you're seeing a glutton of people who are leaving, and you're seeing a a lot of houses staying for sale longer because of that. In Boston, they've seen uh the uh cost of rent has reduced by 40 percent because they don't have enough students coming in to rent them because they can't get through.

SPEAKER_05: 20:51

Yeah, um, all that 100%. And people in Texas, you actually had to pay to get a showing, and even if you paid to get a showing, it wasn't guaranteed that you're actually gonna see the house because people were coming from California, just paying cash, putting all those houses up, and like you said, now they're all underwater. Yeah, those people have no idea. Kind of like it mirrors 2008 in a lot of ways, where people houses are a million dollars in Arizona when the house is broke like 195. Yeah, so they're not getting that back. Uh, I actually saw there's there's a development about 35 minutes away from me, and I this is how I know the housing market's about to crash here in Texas. On one of the billboards, it said houses now take$40,000 off the ass price.

SPEAKER_03: 21:35

That's imagine a year ago you bought a house in that development, and now they're selling the exact same house for$40,000,$50,000 less than what you bought it for a year ago. Imagine how mad you are.

SPEAKER_01: 21:46

Not to mention the house probably made like crap. A Lego house? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 21:51

A lot of these houses are we we had a house made by one of these national builders, and I sold it as soon as I found out they had like four class action lawsuits against them. Because one of the class action lawsuits is because a lot of their sec two-story homes, the second story was built with such new wood, it was bowing into the set the first floor. Oh, yeah. I was like, we out of here. I'm selling this thing as soon as I can. I need to find a sucker to buy this thing because I'm not I'm not getting stuck with it.

SPEAKER_05: 22:16

Yeah, the um you you know it's bad because if you actually go into the new developments, wherever you are across the union, once a house is sold, like four four pallets get dropped. This is the outside, this is the kitchen, this is the bedrooms, this is the wiring. And you know, you talk to electricians back even 10 years ago. Hey, it's gotta be great, all this new building you guys are doing. He goes, We don't work there, you know why? Because when you open up the pallet for the electrician, it's A and B. And you take A and you wire it through and then you connect it to B. Like they they dumped it down for the guys who can't speak English and for the entire illegal cruise that the skill that you would need when we were buying when we were looking to buy a house here. I specifically told my wife, we're finding a house that was built in the 80s because at least I can guarantee that it's a little bit better, like the walls are not particle board all the way around, right? You know, stuff like that. But these new houses, and I have one in Fort Worth, man. And so much stuff, so much they have the uh the tail light warranty after a year, they give you the one-year warranty on it, and then day 161, everything breaks.

SPEAKER_03: 23:19

Yep, oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah, all right, guys, let's get into the topic. Um, we're we're like half an hour in already. All right, so tonight's topic is about uh mutual assistance groups or you know, in the Marines, we had fire teams and squads and stuff, right? And um, you know, I wanted to go over like how do you start to build that and why you should build it. Um because I see a lot of guys, you know, it was it was the the prevailing opinion 10 years ago. Hey, if something happens, if the you know the proverbial feces hits the rotational device, then I'm gonna put on my pack and we're gonna get my hunting rifle, and me and the kids and the wife are all going out to the woods and we're gonna live. Well, you and 300 million other people, right? Um, and so now as people as the the GWAT has kind of uh died down, and those guys have come home and they're getting involved in this space a little bit more, we're getting a lot uh better um understanding of what we need to do, and and and as we've seen in some situations, you can't be the only person, you need help, right? Um and then uh so why why was should you set up a group, right? Um, so like Rob said on the first show, I actually have notes. So we'll we'll stay on track.

SPEAKER_01: 24:47

So weird for this channel. You have notes.

SPEAKER_03: 24:51

Well, don't tell Rob, but I just wrote them about an hour before I came on the show. It's more prep than I do. I don't know what you're talking about. So let's go over let's go over some pros real quick of why you don't have a group, right? Or why you don't have some people you can depend on. Those are the guys you want. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_01: 25:15

You want to say well with people, those are the ones that I can see what you say.

SPEAKER_03: 25:21

As most of y'all know, traveling with people in any sort of capacity, if it's especially it's more than one vehicle, or just traveling with your kids, um, is like hurting cats. Oh my god, right trying to just my wife, like following her in the car, because she just like drives, she doesn't pay attention to lights or turns or nothing, and she'll just be gone. And she's got a little bit of a lead foot, right? So, and I'll sit together like you gotta, you know, you gotta stop with the yellow lights. You can't go through the yellow lights, you gotta stop, you know, whatever. But the big thing about being on your own is it's you're mobile, you go wherever, whenever you need to, right? Um, so when you incorporate other people into the fact uh and you have to account for other people, um you uh it gets a little bit more cumbersome, all right. Another aspect, um, you don't need as much resources for one person than you do for four kids and a wife, or four kids and a wife, and another family of six, right? Or whatever it is. You don't need as much. You can get by on a lot. Like if it were me, I'd eat one meal a day if I was by myself, right? But I've got to feed my kids, you know, so they gotta eat more than once a day.

SPEAKER_01: 26:30

And you're not supposed to be talking people out of having a family here, Adrian.

SPEAKER_03: 26:37

Uh, another aspect is you're flexible, right? If you're by yourself, you can move whenever you want, you can eat whatever you want, you can bed down wherever you want. I don't know if y'all ever seen these channels of these guys who do uh um what are they called? Uh urban hidden camping or something like that. Oh, yeah. They'll like camp out in culverts and stuff. Um, you know, you can do that when you're by yourself. But you got four kids, they're gonna be like, Dad, why is the raccoon in the tent with us?

SPEAKER_01: 27:03

You know, uh camping in a culvert doesn't seem like a plus though, Adrian.

SPEAKER_03: 27:07

They try and see where they can camp and no one notice them. Then my other my other thought about it is like, well, people just think you're homeless. You know, if you're if you're if you're in the in a in an off-ramp, in the grass in the off-ramp, they just think you're homeless. That's anybody can do that. Nobody's gonna bother you. Um in another pros, there's no fixed location.

unknown: 27:31

Right?

SPEAKER_03: 27:31

You don't you're not tied down to an area. You know, if you want to go from here from Alabama to Tennessee tomorrow, you can, right? Uh there's nothing holding you back. Um then we get into the cons. The biggest con is you can't pull security for 24 hours a day by yourself. It's impossible. You gotta sleep. Um, in fact, I've got at my place here, I've got the the guys in that I've in my group, they know because they all have suburban houses. Um, I told them if something happens and something goes down, get all your food, all your firearms, and all your family and come here. Right, and we will set up. Um, you know, because I can't hold this place by myself. Uh and they can't hold their houses by themselves. And and especially being in a in a suburban house, it's really hard to pull security when you've got 400 other people within half a mile of you.

SPEAKER_00: 28:23

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 28:24

Um as well as some of the cons of being by yourself. If you can't do it, get it, or create it, you don't have it. Right. Um, and then you get into the really ethically gray area of what's stealing, you know, what's self-defense. Is it self-defense if I'm stealing food? You know, and they're they're trying to kill me. Um things like that. And then um you're unable to share load responsibilities, right? You can't, if you get too tired to carry a carry something, you just can't give it to somebody else for them to carry for a while. Um you know, if you uh need to dig a latrine to uh to use the facilities in, you can't have somebody else pull security for you while you do it, right? You you have to do everything on your own. Um and then the last one is loneliness will drive you insane. Being by yourself and on your own, one makes you super skeptical, skeptical, super uh wary of other people, but it also makes you lonely and you will go insane. Um, as you see, if you ever read uh any of these stories of these guys who are in solitary confinement for a year at a time, um, after about eight weeks, they're losing their mind um with no contact with anybody else. Because some of these maximum security prisons, the guard's not even allowed to talk to you when he takes you out for your one hour a day exercise time. And that just that drives them even more saying that there's somebody there that they that they can't even talk to. Um, so those are the pros and the cons. Did y'all have anything to add to that?

SPEAKER_05: 30:00

Yeah, um just kind of reinforcing a couple of points, you know, you have fire watches, you have deterrence, you know, a group will be better. Well, a group will less likely be engaged with than a single person, right? If you are on if you are by yourself, you are what they effectively call a loot drop. Uh, because whatever you have will eventually you will run into a great example, if you've ever seen is the book Eli, where you have those guys coming out, they're just traveling out in packs, you're and they overwhelm you. So you want to make sure you have that. Um you can even break it down to things like specialized roles, where if you can find enough people who have specialized roles, you can find people that will do certain things. Maybe you can bring in somebody with medical an EMT or medical training, things like that. So you you know, everybody should know how to do at least basic first aid, but if you can find somebody that has a little bit more specialization, that somebody who knows how to grow food a little bit better than everybody else, those things are really great. Uh, also for defense weaponry, like I said, I'm trying to keep the trying to keep it friendly on the channel. So there are um reasons why you would carry similar types. There's a reason why, you know, if your group, if you're gonna get a group together, it doesn't matter if you're all rocking M9s, G19s, or 320s. Everybody has that same don't carry the 320s, guys. I was just trying to be nice because I know there are some same people I don't carry 320. 3020 carries you. Well, if if you if you have the 320, you can just it's like a grenade, you can kind of just toss it and run. But um, the the fact I'm pretty sure IEDs are illegal, but 320s are not. So the idea is um everybody had the same capacity, everybody has the same ammo, everybody has the same mag, which everybody uniformity um can be good.

SPEAKER_03: 31:52

Um diversity can be good too, right? I would prefer uniformity. I'd rather us all have a a 320 than one of us have a 320 and always scared of that one guy shooting us, right? So everybody we know everybody's gonna get it at this is like the old point, the old firing squads, like they would they would line up seven guys, and only one of them would actually have a bullet, and none of them would know that there's a there's a bullet in the chamber. Yeah, yeah, nobody knew which one actually shot them. It's like 320. Lightning might three twenty. Who shot me?

SPEAKER_01: 32:22

Lightning might strike one meme it's not gonna strike four times.

SPEAKER_05: 32:27

Yeah, so exactly. So you have that all the way up to you know, carbines, same same things that way, and parts break, maybe interchange, things like that, and and so forth. So uniformity, like that. I I'm a huge believer. I call it the rules of redundancy. You know, everybody has the same thing, it'll help out, and that's less stuff to carry in that regard. Um food rationing, you covered that already. Resource pooling, you cover that already, shared skills, knowledge, um, sustainability, flexibility, uh, all that thing. No, no, it's not. No, there's no DEI in this situation.

SPEAKER_03: 33:06

That is it isn't, it isn't it is your strength, Bobby. It is your strength.

SPEAKER_05: 33:12

Uh, but I don't it doesn't matter if you guys can agree, it doesn't matter what the what it is, as long as y'all carry the same one, in my opinion. I agree. So, I mean, that's pretty much all those kinds of things that you'd want to do, even like when you said division of labor, even emotional moral support, like you were given that as well, because that's it's gonna be the ultimate, nobody's gonna know what they're doing. We've all all we're doing right now is theoretically talking about situations 99.9% of the population has never been through. So for them, it's gonna be a huge shock to the system, and you know, the if you you're gonna especially as Catholics, if you can if you can make it a solidly Catholic group, that'll also share that burden out. So those are all really good points to to make. It's really the the crux of all of it, ensuring that you know it the having more than one because the lone wolf was very popular, populated by movies and all that kind of things. But uh you're just gonna be a loot drop in that regard. So, not a great idea, not a great idea at all. I think really the idea of the lone wolf came from the I from the fact that there were so many people that were spread out because we're a transient union, people move all over the place. They're like, Well, what happens if I have to bug out of you know DFW or I have to bug out of Austin? And I'm the only one that can take care of my family. Well, then in that case, if you have a buddy three states over, you may have to to do that. That's not optimal, but you know, it's not an optimal situation in the first place. So you're gonna have to work all these things out beforehand, and really that's the big thing. Um, we talk about on the council, and and it sounds like you guys talk about here is actually working through the scenarios and actually having an actual plan because a lot of people's plans, I know Adrian Rob, you've heard it. I got my gun. Awesome. Okay, what's the next one? And then what? And what about a first aid? What about food? Water purification, what about any of that? We talking about you know what? You just go that way, and uh I'll let you get it.

SPEAKER_03: 35:14

As we talked about on the medical show last time, you're much more likely to use medical than you will ever use your firearm, like coming up on a car accident or a dog bite or something, right? Um, so just having understanding of yes, what is the MDCOA, the most dangerous course of action? What is the most likely course of action? MLCOA, right? Most likely is you're gonna use it medical for a car accident. Most dangerous is you're gonna get in a shootout with somebody as you're coming out of the Italian restaurant, right? Whatever it is.

SPEAKER_00: 35:42

But uh why why the racism? Why the Italian?

SPEAKER_03: 35:47

I'm sorry, I I I was under the understanding that Italians are safe to be racist against. Correct.

SPEAKER_05: 35:54

Okay, being half being half iron, uh being half Italian, I don't really care.

SPEAKER_03: 35:58

So well, we'll give it a lot of the Italians are Africans, um Africans, so it's still acceptable. We're making fun of the white part, is what we're doing. That's fine.

SPEAKER_04: 36:09

Whatever.

unknown: 36:09

We're good.

SPEAKER_04: 36:10

We're good.

SPEAKER_05: 36:11

All right, so the next everybody's warping after the Roman Empire, so that's okay.

SPEAKER_03: 36:16

So uh before you ever think about uh a group and getting a group together or starting to organize a group, uh, you got to get your family on board, yeah, first of all. Right? If your wife's not on board with why you're bringing in 55-gallon drums to start pumping a bunch of water into them and taking up half the space in the garage, or while you're putting crates of ammo underneath the bed, like if she's not on board with this stuff, right, you're gonna have a hard day. Right. And the opposite, too. If you're the wife, you know, and your husband's not on board yet, um hopefully you can get him on board and get him to realize that he needs to be the man and take the lead on this stuff. Um, but um, that's a situation where you've got to you've got to give them reasons to get on board, right? And sometimes that's you know, hey, down in Texas, when they had the sleet storm come through and destroyed all the the power panels and nobody had power, uh, and they're in a freeze warning, people are freezing to death in Texas, yeah, right? Which was with the rest of the country, are like Texas is a desert. Why are people freezing? Not realizing, like, hey, Texas is you know pretty temperate, it's northern part of the north of yellow. Yeah, right. Same thing with like Alabama, like everybody thinks we're all racist in Alabama, and we are, don't come here. Um, but uh everybody has these understanding stereotypes, but things like that, showing examples of why we would need like we need this water because what if the power goes out? What about last week when they were doing work some work on the on the water lines and we didn't have water for 10 hours? No one could take a shower. Like, would have been nice to have some extra water, right? Or uh we had the tornado come through and you know it knock some trees down the road and we couldn't get in the store for a couple of days. Yeah, it would have been nice to have some extra food, you know. We do things like that would help get people get your family on board.

SPEAKER_05: 38:01

We do have a couple examples that really have been prominent. Katrina's the easiest one to show people why all the stuff works to be on board with it if you're sucking that. Because people think about water, it's like, no, that flood water has got everything in the world in it. So the water you thought was okay, it's got gas, it's got oil, it's got body parts, it's got all these kinds of things in there. So that water is no good. The food-wise, most people have seven days worth of food, and then they, if they're lucky, outside of that, your grocery store has about maybe two weeks' worth of food, those things will be cleaned out, and the last thing you want to do is be in the place where everybody else is being is at the same time. The goal of this is so you could technically bung bug in for that initial phase through that, and then you had Helene, another one up in North Carolina, where it was just devastated. And people have to realize even FEMA, which is a dirty word, I get it. But even FEMA tells you that you have to have three days worth of supplies, they advise you that because when you look at the way the federal emergency works, local, state, federal, and then they'll always request that first before they'll do these. Oh, we've we've uh issued a declaration, a disaster declaration. That's great. FEMA's still gonna take about a week to waddle in and start writing papers, and then it's got to go back. And so the first thing that the government is going to do as an organism is get the government back up and running. Yeah, oh FEMA's here, and they're like, Yeah, I ain't dealing with you right now because I gotta get the the government, the city, the town, whatever, back up and running, and then when that's running, we'll figure out what to do with you guys. And people just you see it all the time. If you look at any of the where's the government, where's the government? Where's my tax money going? Blah blah blah. Because it's really not up to it's they don't really care.

SPEAKER_03: 39:53

Well, and with Halloween, most of the help there was from local nonprofits. What y'all need to realize as well is FEMA has the authority to seize things from you to give out to people who may need it more, so you may have gathered everything you needed for your family to get by, and FEMA finds out they can come take it from you and give it out to other people, right? So you don't want the government involved in most cases, um, especially if you're properly prepared. But on top of that, like uh, you know with P and W Gorilla, he took like$50,000 worth of military surplus, which is like a million dollars worth of surplus, and took it down, took it to North Carolina, and was because people still there still don't have houses, right? They still don't have anywhere to live, they don't have grocery stores to go to. Some places you still can't get to by road because the roads are still gone. Right. And this has been over a year at this point. So uh the government is not the solution. You need to be able to do this stuff on your own. Um, and if the government shows up, you need to be very wary of them. Yeah, don't tell them anything. Tell them nothing, tell them nothing. All right, so let me refer to my notes. Um all right, so some determinations about when you first uh building a group, like what are some considerations you may have? And I'm bringing these up generically, right? These are not mine or may not be mine, these may not be anybody else's, but these are some things to think about, right? So specifically, like um, do you want them to all be Catholic? There's a there is a benefit to that, right? You're all mostly on the same page when it comes to the faith. Yeah, now some of them may be very left cath, right? And you may have to deal with some issues there. I'd rather have a Protestant than a left Cath, but um, you know, that that's a situation where you may need to consider it. Now, I may not have that luxury down here in Alabama, I'm surrounded by Baptists everywhere, right? So I it may be a little bit more difficult for me to have that capability of having everybody on the same page when it comes to the faith. But I've got a lot of my neighbors around me who are Protestant, but they are very devout Protestants, and they are they are very good people. Um, in fact, when we've had issues here, they've helped us out. In fact, my cows got out one time. We were at a uh festival, my cows got out, we're walking down the highway, and one of my neighbors went and got them and brought them in the pasture for us till we got home, right? Um whereas you know, I've been in neighborhoods where I couldn't even get somebody to help me put my cans away, my trash cans away, uh while I was on vacation, and I got ticketed by the HOA, right? Um, so uh, and those those people were Catholic as well, so that that didn't help at all there. Um, some other things you know you may want to look for is do they have complimentary skills to you, or do they have skills that you don't have? Right? Can they butcher a pig? Can they get uh power up and running your house? Are they an electrician? Are they a welder? Um, are they a plumber? Do they know how to farm? Do they know how to use communications equipment? Can they do fabrications? Are they do they have a boat and you live near a lake? Right? Some of these things uh are considerations as well. And then another being proximity, like how close these people are to you, right? Where I live, I am the way, I mean there are some other Catholics out here, but the people in my parish, I'm 45 minutes away from my parish. And then we're all they're all spread to the winds anyway. Right. So I'm not very close to any of them. I'm probably 20 minutes from one and then 45 minutes from everybody else. Right. So proximity is not a luxury that I have. Um, loyalty is another thing they have to think about. Um, how loyal are they to you? How loyal are you to them? Um, because if you can't trust them with your kids, I would not suggest building a group with them. Um, and then logistics. Do they do you have things other people need? Do other people have things that you need? Can y'all share? Uh, these are some considerations for the type of people you start to look at to build your group, right? Um, and so did y'all have any other things I may have missed that y'all had in mind?

SPEAKER_01: 44:09

Well, I mean, you you kind of touched on most of them. So, like some of the questions I would have, especially being just really new to all this, is like one, ideally, how many, you know, people? Um, two, you brought up proximity, like how close should they be, you know, how how close is useful basically, or how far away, you know, at what point does it become not useful? Their distance to you, things like that. Um, three, how do you how do you all communicate? You know, how do you all plan? Um, do you have a set meeting place when something happens? Um and then like how like training together, whether it's it's firearm training, whether it's medical training, um or even just like you said, sharing um specialized skills with with the others in the group, stuff like that. So those are I guess those are the questions that that I've kind of rolling around in my head right now.

SPEAKER_04: 45:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 45:12

Well, what you got, Rick? Uh so for just a couple of those things, we have to be careful being um, for lack of a better term, on the right, because if you're gonna do training with firearms, you get noticed the best way a workaround for that is to try and find like a competitive shooting group. Like a uh uh, you know, the the there's some professional ones out there, and you all can join that. So you're like, I'm just competitive shooting, and then you guys can all build your skills up together that way. Uh for basic first aid, you can all go to the Red Cross and do online courses there. It's not great, but at least it's an introduction to the basic things of recognizing shock, what to do with bleeds and things like that. So everybody has a baseline knowledge of that, and then of course you can all take other courses together or even separate. Um, a bunch of different places will do that. Now, as far as the number, um I'll throw this one out there and then I'll let I'll let Adrian either correct me or agree with me on that one. Uh you don't want many, but it's also depending, is it gonna be families? Now, if it's gonna be like 10 single dudes, right? 10 10 just guys who are young and that then yeah, they can all take turns on watches and all these other kinds of things. Because you know, I'll be the massagist of the group. Your your females aren't gonna be great help for things like security and stuff like that. They'll do other roles and they'll be great at them, yeah. But that's also how many roles do you want, how many roles you have to disperse in that regard. Now, redundancy is great, so there's really no fixed number, Rob. I would probably say as many as you could get, maybe 30 is a max number of people, because then you probably have like you have husbands, you'd have sons, older sons, things like that. Um, but that's also gonna count as both of you were saying, who's in your area? You may not be able to get that many, you may get 10, and that's that's it. But um, I don't know what do you think is a good cap number, Adrian?

SPEAKER_03: 47:15

So I'm always gonna to uh defer to my organizational skills in the Marines, right? So we we have fire teams, which is four, right? Then a squad is made up as three fire teams, and then a platoon is made up of three squads, right? It's just rules of three, and then a company's made up of three platoons, right? Um, I think starting out finding one good guy first, it should be the goal. Just find one. Find one other guy with a family or one other guy who may be by himself. Um, be wary of anybody by themselves, even if when especially when they're younger. Yeah, um, because hey, the one they haven't quite matured enough yet. Um, and especially if they don't have any ties to your area, um, you know, they they could be a uh a really uh loose cannon that you you may not be able to account for, but finding one guy first, but then growing it to four and then staying there for a little bit, and then as y'all train together, whatever it is, you're getting together, and you know, y'all are coming to your house one weekend to help, you know, process chickens, and then next weekend you're going to help another guy put up some ceiling fans or whatever, right? As people see that and that how close-knit y'all are and they find out what y'all are doing, they'll want to join in on it, right? And then you can start being selective and you can start kind of like vetting people, like how serious are they about this. Um, because the last thing you want to do is bring somebody in and they know everything you have at your house and what who's in your house, and then your your friend's house and what's in their house and how their house is laid out, and then they get rolled up for whatever reason by the police or antifa or whoever, right? And now they know everything about you, and they could tell them about you, right? So you have to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01: 48:54

Or they're just an opportunist themselves.

SPEAKER_03: 48:56

Yeah, you know, they're the I don't need to prep because I'll just shoot you and take all your stuff, right?

SPEAKER_05: 49:00

Yeah, yeah. That guy's that guy's always the one you want to stay away from. That guy's always the first one you want to stay away from.

SPEAKER_03: 49:06

So, as far as numbers, I mean it, I wouldn't say there's a cap, you just have to trust everybody enough. Like I said, the the biggest thing is if you can trust them with your kids, you can probably trust them. So you gotta get to that point where you can trust them with your kids.

SPEAKER_05: 49:22

So just to go back and forth on that, yeah, there is no, I agree with you 100%, there is no cap, but also there's a certain point where you're not gonna know everybody within the group as much as you'd want to if you expand out too far. So maybe it was a good idea of I think really just listening to both of you, it it really is just find the guys and the families you can trust and kind of just stick with that and and go from there. Um, as you said, especially especially factor in desperation because we'll who seems like a solid group or a solid family or a solid whoever when you when it's good, when you can all go to Whataburger after or whatever and hang out, it's gonna be a lot different when there's three cans of beans left. Yeah, you the people you know in comfortable times will not be the same people under stress. So that's even like that vetting process you talked about. You could vet them to the cows come home, but you're also gonna have to pay attention to the fact that you know, I know this guy's really good, but unless until we're all stress tested together, you can't really fake you can't stim people try to simulate. I know the Marines and and the military stress test really well, but civilians can't, we don't have an opportunity to really stress test that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_03: 50:44

So well, and it's it's it's also the same line of thinking with the faith, right? Because you'll hear all these young guys like, you know, I would die for my faith. If there was somebody here, I'd die for my brother. You can't get up before 10 a.m. in the morning, you're not dying for the faith. Like you don't have enough discipline to not eat that three quarts of ice cream at night, you're not dying for the faith, brother. You still watch anime cartoons, you're not dying for the faith, right? You have a malformed conscience, right? And it's just not gonna happen. And I'll probably piss some people off in chat, but um, but uh like you have to understand like if you don't have the discipline enough to deprive yourself of sleep, right? You're not dying for anything, right? So as soon as someone offers you, hey, I'm gonna make sure you have eight hours, nine hours of sleep every night in this comfy bed and a meal every day, or two meals every day, or three meals every day, like you're gonna give up everything for that person because you can't deprive yourself of everything. You have to get used to now, now, and especially now, getting used to fasting, depriving yourself of things. Put your phone the hardest thing is putting my phone down for me. Like it is it because I have a uh, you know, I'm FOMO, right? I I I feel like I'm being left out, or I feel like I'm I'm not on the edge of all the information coming in if I don't have access to my phone. It's not that I want to say something first, it's that I want to know something as soon as it happens, right? And that's a that's the nature of a job I did in the Marines, like it's it's hard to get past that, but it is also a crutch for me, right? And that's something I have to deal with. But um, you know, I've never had an issue depriving myself of sleep or food or anything else. But if I don't have that phone and I can't reach for it in my pocket, right, to find out what's going on, you know, sometimes I feel a little itchy, like you got any more of that cell phone, man? You know, uh and so I've got my own issues. Um, you know, but we all have to realize where we're at. Um, and if you have a guy who has who's be who may be spot on with tactics, maybe the best shooter you know, but he's got a drinking problem, you're gonna have issues, right? You can't depend on a guy like that who can't get control of his vices um that alter his capability of rational thinking, um, then you can't depend on a guy like that. I don't care how good of a shooter he is, until he gets that under control, he's not reliable. Right? But all right, that's enough for me. What what do you got, Rob?

SPEAKER_01: 53:13

Uh you know, I so for me, like the the I guess the difficulty I would I would run into doing this is is um I guess just how isolated I am kind of from from community, right? Uh for instance the parish we go to is a four-hour round trip drive away, and those people tend to have their own drives from the opposite direction, even so you know that's it's hard to pull from that as a potential pool. Um you know, and I don't know many good Catholics near me physically, so that makes that hard. So, like and I'm not saying you have a solution or expect you to have a solution, but I just do you know, how do how do you how do you go about finding someone, you know, to to trust um when you're separate, you know, separated like so many of us are from extended family, from uh like a good parish life, um, from uh a nearby community that we can trust. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 54:24

I think for some people, the only option is to move. Right? You can't be on an island by yourself. You know, that's just not an option. Um but for some people it's a matter of um swallowing some pride and talking to people that they may have um had been on the house with, right? And amending some of those bridges. Um but finding people, um, and we'll go ahead and get into this. Like, where do we find people that are on the same level of thinking as we are, right?

SPEAKER_01: 54:56

Right.

SPEAKER_03: 54:57

Because like, how do I how do I even bring up the subject with someone without seemingly so what you have to do is you have to look for topics and things that are tertiary to what you're trying to get to, right? So, like Rick was talking about earlier, like competitions like you at uh USPSA, IDPA, uh any of these shooting competitions, get involved in one, right? Um, and then you'll start to meet other people that are into shooting as well. And they most time when people are into shooting, they're into other things that you are looking for, right? Now, another reason to do that is a lot of Antifa are going to these shooting competitions now, so you can get a grasp on how good they are. Yeah, and some of them are really good. Um that you're able to keep an eye on what the the potential enemy might have, right? That's one thing. Um, anybody who has Catholic land movement near you, right? Get involved there. Even if you don't, even if you live in the suburbs, still get involved because you can do things in the suburbs that you know they help out with. You can raise bees in the suburbs, right? Umurbs, you can't even do chickens now. Some you can, right? Um, some people are great. Like I had an hoa that was no chickens, and I thought about sneaking them anyway. I didn't do it, and I'm glad I didn't, because now that I have chickens, there's no way I would have been able to sneak them. They're way too loud. Um, my my neighbors are literally right on top of me. Um, but you know, Catholic land movement is a bunch of people who are gonna be on the same page as you with a lot, right? They're gonna be 90% in agreement with you on just about everything. Um, right? Uh, some other things, ham radio clubs, right? You gotta watch out for some of the FUDs at the ham radio clubs, right? Um they show up with a Kimber, then you know you need to stay away from them. Yeah, but uh, but they're in, you know, the rate, at least you can get information from them and learn knowledge on how to do set up communications. Um, you know, 4-H clubs.

SPEAKER_01: 56:50

Yeah, right, yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_03: 56:52

Have those around you, those are gonna be a lot of people that are on the same page. Um if you have a your local extension office, we usually have meetings to teach topics and stuff. Go to those and you'll learn other people are trying to learn the same things as you. Um some other things.

SPEAKER_01: 57:08

Uh you know, around around me, we have a lot of um, not a lot, but uh a fair number of uh homesteaders or you know, little family farms. So I imagine they're of a similar mindset. That's probably why they have a homestead. Um, you know, there's a lot of a lot of uh people uh around here that hunt, you know. So I know some of my buddies from work that that hunt, like you said, then they're into firearms, at least in some capacity. They're uh, you know, they they have some knowledge about nature, things like that.

SPEAKER_03: 57:39

So yeah. Um you can take shooting courses because anybody's go to who's taking the time to go to a shooting course probably wants to know a thing or two about guns, right? Um, medical courses, any type of TCCC, T E C C March, whatever you, you know, whatever, you know, uh stop the bleed course are usually gonna be people who are who are on board, or at least they may bring somebody with them who is, right? Um any type of shooting course, you know, anything. It could be long-range shooting, it could be a hunting club, like you said, you know, getting access to a hunting club and just using that to hunt, but also getting the no gas as well. Because most hunters are very right-laning, right? There's a most.

SPEAKER_01: 58:24

There's a trap club that that I shoot in that I'm sure, yeah. I'm sure that there'd be some good people in there too.

SPEAKER_05: 58:32

Yeah, yeah. So, real quick, if if I can just jump in with uh places you can find these are all amazing and perfect places to start. Uh FEMA does run something called the community emergency response teams. Yeah, um, and those are put on by fire departments, police departments, emergency management departments, uh, and it's a federal program. So, you know, they're available. Mo all big cities will have them, suburban areas will have them as well, and they teach because their job supposedly is to go out and assist emergency management in scenarios, but that'll be a place where you will meet people from all over your area who share at least the the mindset of preparing and being ready for an emergency scenario. Uh, and and those class they're free. Uh well, free out of stealing type, you know what I'm saying. But um, there's no additional cost to you to do those things, and you get that kind of training. I was a member of the uh the cert team in Fort Worth. Um, and they'll teach you how to clear uh disaster areas, they'll teach you all the like if you have no idea, if you've watched documentaries from disasters and you see all the markings on the door, they'll teach you what the markings on the door means, how they secure these areas. Um, they'll teach you first aid, they'll do all these things um to help you because the idea is hey, we're not gonna be able out there. You in your neighborhood, they'll give you a bag and all this stuff. You're gonna be the help in that area. So if you find people From different areas, and you just Google S E R T near me, um, and it'll find a group for you. So that's a that's another way, and you don't have to be like, hello, fellow prepper people that are ready for the apocalypse or any of these other because they're there already. So a cert team, if there was one near you, is a valuable resource that I would look up.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:21

And uh most Coneys have a volunteer search and rescue team too. Yeah, we can volunteer fire departments, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:27

Yeah, and there's uh private entities like Team Rubicon you can get involved with as well. Uh they do a lot of help. Um, and then there was the uh one down in North Carolina, good or Smeradin's group, I think, who helped out a lot with Hurricane Helene, right? Just getting involved with any of these groups, and you'll get to know other people who you are more than likely on the same level as you. Uh, so there's a lot of capabilities to find people, it's just a matter of you have to get out of your shell and talk to people, right? Like I know your mom ate a lot of Tylenol when she was pregnant with you, but it's okay, you can still talk to people, right? Get over that, right? That's the biggest issue I have with one of my children is she is just scared to death to talk. She's we got her a uh we got her a landline phone and she's scared to call people because someone else may answer other than the person she's calling, right? Like, well, you better get past this because this is gonna be life.

SPEAKER_05: 1:01:21

They they don't get that, like back in the day, you actually had to call the pizza delivery place and actually give them your address instead of like doing it on your phone and stuff. And um, you know, it the craziest thing is for Catholics, even if everything was running correctly, we should have a built-in network across the union, and I may get in trouble for this, but you know, the Knights of the You know, the Knights of Columbus should be that organization that we should all be able to access, but obviously that's not going to be for you. Most of us don't, you know, most of us are Knights of Columbus organizations or not somebody who wanna access.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:58

Here comes Adrian's lecture now.

SPEAKER_05: 1:02:00

Yeah, so I know I I know, and I was even thinking, I'm like, ah I shouldn't take it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:06

If you want a better council, got them, then take it over and make it better. They are dying almost literally, literally dying to for someone else to take over. You can make it whatever you want. I swear, that charter allows you to do just about anything, right? Especially if you're helping out other Catholics. That's really all they care about, and that that's my biggest, you know. We have we have uh uh generations of men from Gen X down, right? It's not just Zoomers, not just Gen Alpha, who are afraid to get involved and do something, right? That's why the term you can just do things has been so big because they're like it's almost like the internet has given them permission to live their life. Like I could just do things. You mean I could just go to the DMV without taking my mom with me? Like, yeah, you could just do things, right? And so if if you want a better night, and I'm not I'm not yelling at you, Rick. I'm just saying in general, because this is a been this is the first day. So it's okay. This is a huge pet peeve for me. You know, it's for me too, which is why I've I've the institution is mentioning it. The institution is there, yeah, right, and it is it is being led by very effeminate men, right? In most cases, in most councils. There are some councils out there that are phenomenal. If y'all don't know Robert Morgan on X, he has a council in in St. Louis, Louis, and they are a phenomenal council. I know a number of men over there. Um, but there's a lot of good councils out there. We actually just had our first St. Carlo Acutist council put out. Not my favorite, right? But whatever. Um, but you can make it to whatever you want, you just have to take it over and do it. You only need four guys. That's all you need to take over a council. I don't care how big it is. You need a grand knight, you need a deputy grand knight, financial secretary, and a chancellor. That is it. And you get four guys in those positions, and y'all can do whatever you want. You can shape it however you want. And the more you do things, and the more you get involved in the in in activities that the knights and compass aren't known for, the more young men you'll that will draw in to want to do it with you, right? Like, I started at ours, I started a skeet shooting competition uh once a year to raise money, and like we got more guys joining just for that competition than anything. Because you're like, You mean I can be a knight and shoot guns? Yeah, man. Like, what do you think the modern broadsword is? It's an AR rifle. Like, where are we?

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:29

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:04:29

I mean, I've I've had the your screw, what everything you said is the exact same thing. I've had problems with many, which I'm only a first degree knight for that reason. I went to like three meetings, I'm like, I'm not doing this anymore because I was just this is just not worth it for me.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:45

But in my in my opinion, the Knights of Columbus, and again, this is just my opinion, so take it for what it's worth. My opinion, the Knights of Columbus primary responsibility should be the financial responsibility, right? Helping take care of widows and orphans. That's what they were founded for. That's why bless them again, he founded them, right? Secondly, it should be to catechize and protect the the faithful of the church. That should be the secondary aspect, right? Once you take care of them financially, to catechize and protect the faithful of the church. Um, especially as we're getting to the point now where the priest can't do it because he's got 4,000 families in his mega church because six other churches have closed and they've combined into one church, and that priest has to serve 6,000 families now, right? Um, when that gets to the point that you know the men should be the ones catechizing because that's the only way you're gonna get younger men to take it seriously. Agreed, yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 1:05:38

Yeah, it's and that's that's the thing that frustrates me on soapbox. Well, that's the thing that frustrates me, it's because it's there, it's it's there, and it could be an answer, it could be a solution to many problems. It's just I think a lot of you know what everything you said is 100%, but uh, they go in with the set, I'm gonna change it, and then they go to the first meeting and they go, All right, let's talk about cleaning the highway. All right, we're done, let's eat pizza and beer. And it's like, oh, that's what that's what we're doing here, and you know, it gets lost on that. So yeah, everything you said is correct. I've had similar things that when I see there's an attack at a church, and I'm like, Where are the knights on this one? And then I get barraged by the nights are doing such a good job, blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:16

I'm like, Well, not at this place, so it's uh you know, and but then then there are instances like when we had the issue here in Alabama at the cathedral, um, the BLM riots were starting to come down, and so you know, I was getting a hold of the priest, I was like, Hey, be ready, I'll come snatch you up real quick, right? And then we and then we had some other knights who are like, Hey, we'll stay overnight at the at the cathedral just to keep watch, uh, just kind of scares some people away if we have to, uh, but at least put the fire out as soon as it starts, right? If we have to. Um, you know, that's what the knights were doing at my, and we've got a bunch of old men, like a bunch of old men. Like, I'm the youngest guy normally by 20 years, right? Um, but I've I've brought in personally probably 30 guys over the last six years that are 20 years younger than me, right? And so it's just a matter you have to you have to create the change that you want to have at your council, right? So and the Knights of Columbus has the institutional power already established, you don't have to start from scratch on anything, like the uh was some of these other groups they're trying to start, like uh the porters of St. Joseph. That's great, but those should be knights because the the knights should already be involved with that, right? Um, and you're having to start from the ground up on everything. Why? When you can just take over an institution that's already established.

SPEAKER_05: 1:07:35

Yeah, I mean, that's pretty much singing from the same hymnal on that one. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03: 1:07:41

Yeah, I'll beat y'all to death in Lights of Columbus.

SPEAKER_05: 1:07:45

Yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to bring up the uh sore spot. I just feel like when we're talking about groups, especially when Rob's like, well, who you know, where do we find these people? Theoretically, it should be at the local, you know, at the parish. You know, that that's why the parish should be the center of life, and that includes everything, it should be all of that. And you know, it's a great point you bring. You know, if you're you're really upset with it and you really want to see it, well, then get in there and figure it out, you know, actually be a man and be uncomfortable watching the boomers do what they gotta do for a little bit while while you get things in place.

SPEAKER_01: 1:08:21

Yep, we do have an interesting question here for the three of us. So, for each of us, who are the top three gun tubers, dead or alive, you would want on your team in uh in a end of the world sort of scenario.

SPEAKER_05: 1:08:40

Well, dead, there's only one that I would pick, but yeah, I know. Yeah, I think I think we all know who the the dead refers to one specific Paul Harrel. That's right. I think we all take Pompaul on that one.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:53

Yeah. Um he's not really uh a gun tuber, but Dave Canterbury. I don't know if y'all have seen any of his stuff, but he's like a a bushcraft survivalist kind of guy. Okay, and he he's never been invited on the loan because they know he would win, yeah, like without a doubt. Because he does that for fun, right? So somebody like that would be great because he can do everything, he can do trapping and whatever. Um, but as far as like if I wanted somebody that I can know that's gonna be that's been in the crap and can shoot, uh, and some of y'all may not uh recognize this, but Sean Ryan, yeah, would probably be my number one because he's been on both sides of the issue. Like he was a criminal for a long time and he's had a conversion since then. Um, but he knows his stuff uh when it comes to a gunfight.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:46

Ian Ian would at least keep you entertained about any gun you'd ever want to know about during the end of the world. I don't know how useful it would be, but it would you'd have something to listen to.

SPEAKER_05: 1:09:58

No. I think my second pick, uh, I'd probably take Warrior Poet. I think Warrior Poet would be a pretty and I don't think I could put up with the preaching. I don't mind. I don't mind. He can go preach while while he's on patrol. I don't give him nothing. I don't care about that. That's that's fine. And there are, I mean, you gotta, but that goes back to that question of you know, if if you're gonna, you know, what things are you prepared to deal with? You can bring in a skill set that'll be, you know, the guy has a he's a he's a he has his homestead, he has all these other kinds of things. He he's been in the stuff, he knows how to shoot some. I'm good on that one. I know, I know it's not a popular one, but I would I would take that one, uh, yeah, especially with his comments about Mama Mary, but you know, you you gotta do what you gotta do in that regard.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:40

Do you you want to listen to dispensationalism at the end of the world though, man?

SPEAKER_05: 1:10:43

Whatever. You can you know what go over to your chickens and talk to the talk about dispensationalism. That's you know what, dude? I could just I could just sit there and you know, I I have an amazing ability to just zone out when people talk about stuff I don't care about. So yeah, I I know it's not a popular pick, but I'll probably take him. I get it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:05

I mean, tactically, he's good. I just I would probably be the first person to shoot him because I can't deal with the dispensation level. Yeah, some similarity is not really green on green crumb there, yeah. Henry Channis gun. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:24

I mean, um, Lucas Bodkin, because you need someone to wear all the skinny jeans at the end of the world.

SPEAKER_05: 1:11:29

I was about to say, everybody's gonna give nonsense about warrior pope, but you think Lucas can't carry anything.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:36

You ain't gonna tag him very much, he'll fall right over. You ain't gotta feed him at all, pretty much.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:41

Uh oh, does um does uh well the guy put in the thumbnail roof rooftop Korean count?

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:49

Would he count?

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:50

Of course he can't do as a gun tuber.

SPEAKER_05: 1:11:53

Yeah, I guess.

SPEAKER_03: 1:11:54

I mean, like he's he's a lot more uh hand-to-hand fighting lately. Is he have you seen him out in California fighting the Antifa guys? Uh-uh. Did you see the video? He a video came out like a month ago. There's an Antifa uh protest, and they started getting a fight with some of the right-wing guys over there, and you just see him come up with like I don't know what he had in his hand, but he laid this Antifa guy out. And all you said, all you saw was a glimpse real quick of his face of the camera and it turned away. But he is such a recognizable face. Like now, I don't know many Koreans, but I know that one.

SPEAKER_05: 1:12:27

Yeah, I'd be fine. I'd be you know, he would obviously be somebody that you would you would take, but if we're you know, we're staying within the gun tube sphere, you know, if uh it's taking to the question. I'd uh the third one will probably be either uh probably Mr. Gunsing gear, probably be my third. If we're gonna do just like the strictly the gun tuber space, but I mean he'd have every gun you need, exactly. Yeah, knows how to and uh from what I know, I think he wouldn't he'd know how to at least maintenance a mile, you know, perform maintenance and work on him.

SPEAKER_01: 1:12:58

So I'd uh I'd maybe take um honest outlaw just because he's from Iowa and that's pretty pretty similar to Minnesota. So I feel like he'd be able to, yeah, I'd get along with him.

SPEAKER_05: 1:13:10

Yeah, he was gonna be my backup choice. I wouldn't he was probably I would he I was settling between him and uh Mr. Gunsinger, but you know, Mr. Gunsinger is pretty both of those guys are solid, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:19

Well, Rob only likes it because he calls it a he calls it a hot dish, not a casserole.

SPEAKER_05: 1:13:24

Well, you right, okay. Now we're not naming the food correctly.

SPEAKER_01: 1:13:29

Like you need to have the same values, right? If they're gonna be on your team, same moral values. He can't call it a casserole.

SPEAKER_05: 1:13:40

Now I feel like we're splitting hairs in the apocalypse. Like we're splitting hairs in the apocalypse. We went from the beginning, like, hey, find a good group of guys. If you got to deal with them, you gotta deal with them too. I'm shooting this SOB because he doesn't say the food the way I like it. So I get escalated pretty pretty quickly in this regard.

SPEAKER_03: 1:13:58

One absolute that will get you kicked out of a group. If I see you wearing tidy whiteys, skinny jeans, you have made some horrible decisions in your life, and you are no longer welcome.

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:11

So, what you're saying is you will make them strip before you accept them in your group.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:16

Look, eventually, you're gonna see somebody's gonna take a shower or something. Eventually, you're gonna see it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:14:20

Typical Marine.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:21

When I see those banana hammocks going on with those tidy whiteys, you gotta go. Give them give them three MREs and put them outside the wire.

SPEAKER_05: 1:14:29

I think y'all need to be taking notes about Adrian's Adrian's prepping group. There's a lot of stuff. There's a for a guy that's like, hey, if you're a man of good moral conscience, you're good. There's a lot of prerequisites you're gonna have to jump through on this one. Not that I have to worry about any of them, I'm just saying for future for people future reference, just uh look, I gotta keep y'all on your toes. You know, you never know what to expect. That or uh he's gonna give them wedgies when they first show up, all right. Even get the wedge test to see what you have there.

SPEAKER_03: 1:14:57

We're gonna we're gonna do the gallon of milk challenge, and if you can't make it, you're not in the group. No, I so I had him I had a young Marine when I was in Okinawa who was convinced he could do the gallon of milk challenge, right? I was like, Man, I've got$100 that you can't drink a gallon of milk. It's like I'll even let you drink skim milk. I you can't drink a gallon of milk and keep it down for an hour. He's like, Oh, I can do it. By the way, this last this guy's last name was Sergeant, right? So he's gonna have a real hard time when he ever actually made it to Sergeant. Sergeant, sergeant, uh, sergeant, sergeant, sergeant, sergeant. And uh, so anyway, so he starts drinking it, he's chugging it, right? He gets like three-fourths of it down in like three minutes, it's it's gone. I was like, Oh, and I was kind of like, oh no, it's uh this is not looking good, and it but it takes him 40 minutes to get the rest of that gallon down in about minute 50. Because for those of y'all that don't know what the gallon of coffee or a gallon of coffee, gallon of milk challenge is you drink a gallon of milk and keep it down for an hour. The reason you can't do it is because milk is has so much base and your stomach has so much stomach acid that it can't balance out, so your body gets rid of it. So it's it's physically impossible to do. Yep. Um, and so at 50, man, he painted that basketball court with the whole gallon, it was everywhere coming out of his nose, and it was like it was horrible.

SPEAKER_01: 1:16:23

Um but it's kind of like kind of like in Charlotte. I don't know if you were there that that night, Rick.

SPEAKER_05: 1:16:32

When I go to bed, I was I went to bed early before all y'all. So I didn't I didn't keep up with the antics that you guys were. All I know is when I walked in to get to the buffet in the morning, half of the guys that you went out with were strewn across the buffet area like it was the beaches of Normandy at that point. I'm sitting in there eating waffle. One guy's just like, Don't you so loud, you know? Oh we gotta be a mass in 30 minutes, but I don't know what you're doing, but I don't know, Rob. I I know you guys were getting some stuff, and that's when I checked out.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:04

Well, let's just say uh Adrian and I saw a man uh chase a grown man chase a bottle of bourbon with a half gallon of chocolate milk. And it ended exactly how you would expect. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:21

Exactly. Yeah, no, I can I can only imagine. Who did we end up throwing as the on the grenade for that guy to get them to help take care of him? I don't remember who that was. It was it uh um land warfare guy on Twitter. Was it? Oh, yeah, he's a pretty good guy. Some poor some poor schmutt got thrown on that grenade and had to take care of that guy and get him back up to his room. He's a good sporty body the next day, though. Man, he was he's a I party with him again.

SPEAKER_01: 1:17:53

Who Tennessee or the guy who took care of him? Well both of them, really.

SPEAKER_03: 1:17:58

Okay, fair. I'm not taking care of him. I think somebody else will do that. I've had my kids, I'm not doing that anymore.

SPEAKER_02: 1:18:06

Yeah, nope.

SPEAKER_03: 1:18:11

This is awesome, right? So I I I'll tell you some things that that worked for us. I'm getting more young men involved. One, um do a holy hour once a quarter, and then afterwards have bourbon cigars social afterwards, okay. Guys will show up in droves just for that, right? Because a lot of men lack other men that they can be men around, yeah, right. Um, so they'll they'll gravitate towards that. Um, another thing is get involved um in things around the parish where people see you do it, and it's things that men are normally known for, like fixing things, right? The parish needs things fixed, have the knights be the ones that are doing it because other men will see that, and and then you offer hey, if anybody wants to come help, you don't have to be a knight, you can come help. And I, if you don't know how to do it, you can learn, and I'll show you how to do it when we do it, right? Guys will gravitate to it just for that because their dads didn't teach them anything. The the boomers were horrible about passing on knowledge, and when they pass away, I don't think we're we're prepared for how fast things are gonna fall apart. And another thing is be very involved in the pro-life cause. The knights are already super involved, be even more involved, be militantly involved, right? Everyone show up for the pro-life march, show up in your, you know, if you're a fourth degree in your fourth degree, or show up in a uh Knights of Columbus shirt, have flags of all types, right? When you're doing it, those things I have shown, I've seen gain more younger men than anything, right?

SPEAKER_01: 1:19:50

There's an one other thing when you do the Tootsie Roll drive, make sure the smocks you wear are the old ones that still say help retarded charge because the zoomers will just find that hilarious.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:05

Good luck on getting that approved.

SPEAKER_01: 1:20:07

Well, that's why you gotta take over the council, right? So you can get it approved.

SPEAKER_05: 1:20:13

Just don't tell them. That's all. Yep, but uh somebody asked about um books, like books that they can grab. Um where there is no doctor is a great book to have for medical stuff. Um, it's essentially a book for third world countries uh and how to deal with it there, and a great book that is by Varg Freeborn, Bible to the Mind, Training and Preparation for Extreme Violence is another book that I would recommend. Because it it goes into some stuff. It goes into some stuff that I would recommend. I those are two books I would start off with.

SPEAKER_03: 1:20:53

I would also advise um Joe Dilio's books, the tactical wisdom series. Um, they are phenomenal books. They they literally take you from couch to militia.

SPEAKER_05: 1:21:08

You know, he runs with a buddy of his too that does urban and suburban planning and warfare. There's that guy on X that promotes those books. I don't know the guy off the top. I'll if you follow me on X, I usually retweet a bunch of his stuff. Those are good books to get.

SPEAKER_03: 1:21:21

Yeah, those are good. And then you know, if you want to get into communications, um the Gorilla's Guide to Bao Fangs by NC Scout, you go to brushbeater at.com and buy it there. Um, so I mean these are all good. I I think Joe Dolio's books will be the best for as a starting point for a lot of people because there's some stuff in there I don't know, right? Because there's some like I don't do everything in the Marine Corps, like I did a lot of it, but not everything. So there's still some stuff in there I needed uh some brushing up on or some things that because I haven't done it for you know 12 years now, I've been out for 12 years. There's a lot of stuff that's just gone, like I don't remember it anymore. Um, and and here reading that stuff again, like, oh yeah, I forgot we did this. Yeah, okay. Like bounding overwatch, bounding and overwatch and jumping on that.

SPEAKER_05: 1:22:07

I think that's something that if you're in you're getting into this for the first time, folks, you have to understand that these are all diminishing skills once you learn them. So, whatever it is, you got to train and practice with them, shooting, first aid, radios, whatever the case may be, just so you're up to date on it. Uh, because just the the the old the the prepper mindset is I have this stuff, and then they like they'll buy a generator and they will never run the generator. Yeah, and then when the time comes to use the generator, the seals and everything are are they're not set, and then all these other kinds of things. So, whatever gear, whatever training you have, stay up to date on it because it'll all like it'll all just fly out of your head if you're not staying on top of it. Yep, 100%.

SPEAKER_03: 1:22:57

This is preposterous.

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:02

No, plus don't aren't there usually council auxiliaries, anyways.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:07

There's there's some. There's some have auxiliaries, but if you if you don't want men to show up, then let women be in. That's a surefire way. Why do you think you know as soon as you let girl altar servers in, all the boys go away?

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:19

100% every time.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:21

Every time. Yep. Yeah, I got another thing. Uh y'all thought I was done with the notes. I'm not done with the notes. You're not done with the notes. I got notes on top of notes. All right, so structure of a group. How do we structure it? Um one, you can only have one leader.

unknown: 1:23:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:42

There there is no council of democracy when it comes to these things. You need one person who's responsible for all the decisions, at least the final say. Okay. Secondly, especially in the Marine Corps, 90% of the Marine Corps is to support the 10% who are shooters. Okay. Most people in the Marine Corps are not trigger pullers, right? They are guys supporting the trigger pullers. So you may know people who you know are not physically able, but they know how to can, right? Or they know a bunch of people, so they their networking is great. They can find out and get something for you that you may need, right? These people are of are of immense value, right? These are people probably more a little bit more valuable than any of your trigger pullers. Trigger pullers a dime a dozen. You can you can check, I can teach anybody how to shoot, right? Um, but I can't teach people how to properly can because then you gotta deal with botulism and other things, right? Um, but when you're establishing your and you're structuring the group, just keep in mind that most of the group is going to be support, and it needs to be. And you need a few guys who are able to carry that firearm um on a daily basis, no matter what, and then everybody else needs to know how to use them anyway, as well. Um, but you only need a few guys, especially at the beginning. Um skills are going to be much more desirable than um like uh tertiary skills, like you know, what we talked about earlier, welding and electrician and plumbing and farming and whatever, right? Those are gonna be much more desirable because you're gonna need those a whole lot more than you will somebody, especially now at this point, um, than somebody who can uh carry a gun. Um one often overlooked aspect, and then I'll let y'all jump in, um, is intel. Anybody can learn how to be the intel guy, right? It doesn't require a lot, it just requires diligence, right? You just have to be able to be able to do it for a certain amount of time every day to check up on things. Okay. Um Mike Shelby wrote a book called the Area Study Guide. You can get that. He also has one, it's called SHTF intelligence. Um, they're I think they're all found on his website, Gray Zone Intel, I think Gray Zone The Warlord, whatever it is. I'll look it up again. Um, but these are books that you can learn how to do it. There are study, there are classes he's put up on YouTube you can find to do it as well. But if you do not understand your area and who are the actors in your area and what are the critical infrastructure of your area, um, then you're you're blind on everything, right? If you don't know who, like Mike likes to call the Leroy Jenkins gang is involved in your in your area, right? And you're not able to discern like what that tagging is, or you don't know that there's a power substation two miles down the road from you. If that thing gets shot with 30 odd six, all it takes is about six rounds to put that thing out of commission, yeah, right. Um, and then you're out of power. If you don't know where these things are and you don't know how to properly account for them, the fog of war starts at your front door instead of being further out, right? So um those are some things that you need to get away from the mindset that everyone has to be a CQB trained uh Navy SEAL ranger sniper, right? Um, you you're much more preferred to have guys who have other skills than guys that you can just shoot.

SPEAKER_05: 1:27:18

Yeah, that's that diversity we're talking about earlier, early on, when you're talking about certain skill sets, everybody needs to have also we're talking about high stress situations. The more defined a role a person has that they can kind of identify with and give them a purpose, the better their morale will be uh going through that as well. So making sure everybody has that purpose and making sure that that they are valuable to your group uh will ensure that they are staying engaged with the whole thing. So that's it's uh everything that you said, it's just really making sure that they have that that value of purpose so that way they can, you know, the last thing anybody wants to be in these situations, they want to feel like they're contributing to the actual scenario uh and to the group and to the cause. So, you know, that's gonna be incumbent on the leaders, the people, you know, the people at the top, making sure that everybody does have a role and that everybody's skills are being used. And yeah, one thing I'm sure Aiden knows about this is um, you know, making sure every there's you know, you have a main role and then you learn somebody else's as a backup. So you have if something happens to them, then you can kind of move between, and also when you have those people working together, you're also fostering relationships and you're growing together as a unit as well. So that's really the the biggest thing I can I can uh add to that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:28:43

Well, it still Marine Corps saying misery breeds company, right? You will never grow closer to someone than when you're both out in the rain on a field X and just drowning in the rain and you can't get out from it, and you still have to get the whatever done, the mission done, whatever it is, still gotta dig that trench, or you still gotta get that cow out of the pasture, or you gotta you know put that post in for the whatever it is, right? When you deal with adversity with other people, you grow in bonds uh with them a whole lot closer than you ever will with your family, right? Especially if you're around them long enough and the misery is deep enough, right? That's why what is it in Shakespeare? Um what is it? Um man, trying to remember the saying, and now I forgot. The Koof has got me, guys. The Koof got me. Oh, blood blood of brothers born in battle is thicker than the water of the womb, right? That's what you know. Blood is thicker than water, it's just been like truncated down. That's the full quote, right? Um, the men that you are with and you suffer with, you're gonna Be much closer to even your brothers and sisters because they've been through those things with you and they know what it's like. That's why for a lot of vets, it's hard to come back from you know war because we come back and like we just got through a situation where I was you know having to dodge IEDs on the road and being shot at every day, and then I come home and the biggest worry most people have is what the price of gas is. Like it's it's hard for us to really relate to people because the things that are stressful for most people is a nothing to us. Like what so what gas is three dollars a gallon? At least you're not getting shot at, right? Or so what you you you can't go out to eat today and you gotta eat ramen noodles. At least you don't have to worry about your buddy getting blown in half from an IED, right? So it and that's what it's hard for guys to come back and and transition back to civilian life, and that's why you see so many guys committing suicide, right? And so many guys taking their own life, you know, 22 a day or it, whatever it is, right? And I've seen it higher, I've seen it lower, but it's because they don't know how to trans, they don't have the support network to come back to because come back, and their family has no idea how to relate to them anymore because they've gone through something that has only been in the books they've read, and they don't and their family doesn't know how to relate to them anymore. Yep, 100%.

SPEAKER_01: 1:31:20

Do you suggest um a group um do an inventory both of of skills and material and things like that?

SPEAKER_03: 1:31:32

The the more nitty, if you've got an accountant that can take over clerical work, right? They're gonna have you all on such uh a higher grade than everyone else. Because if you can't like, hey, this guy's got you know this amount of food and this kind of firearms and these these kind of skills, and it compliments you know this other guy, whatever. If you can keep an inventory of that stuff and keep a track of it, um, and sometimes like you're not gonna want somebody to know, like, hey, I've actually got five years of food, not three years of food, right? Um, you might want to keep some of those things close to the vest because you never know. But um, but yeah, have so having an Excel.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32:11

I don't know if I do an Excel sheet, I'll probably put it on some paper, but um, but uh, I wouldn't put it on Google, I wouldn't put it on Google Box, I can tell you that you can't get it on the computer when that world ends. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:21

That's uh like when guys are like, Yeah, you can download all these books and put them on Kindle, like what if the power goes out and you can't get power for a while. That Kindle lasts about two weeks, but what if power's out for three? Like you're gonna have a hard time.

SPEAKER_05: 1:32:32

Um, but you can always get the uh cell battery chargers, you know, we stock up on solar, you know, yeah. Yeah, you can always get those solar cell packups like four patriots, and most guys always sell that kind of stuff, but yes, it's better more physical things you can have, the better.

SPEAKER_03: 1:32:48

But just keep in mind, we may have to block the sun to fight against the Tesla droids.

SPEAKER_05: 1:32:53

Okay, when that situation happens, I'll deal with it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32:58

That is one of the point we're giving up, guys.

SPEAKER_05: 1:33:01

That's I file that one under. I'll cross that bridge when I get to that one. That's I am anti-clinker. When Mr. Burns puts out the sun, we'll we'll figure out what happens going forward on that one. But yeah, that's of course you want to inventory everything. I mean, you know, so that way what do we need more of, or what do we need less of? Because sometimes people will when they prep, they overbuy certain things thinking they're gonna need that, and then it's like, well, you didn't need 700, let's say, solar battery chargers. You need 700 of those, you're gonna put your money probably towards MREs or maybe some bandages or something else like that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:33:34

So, yes, obviously why you have 500 5,000 rounds of British 303. I don't know, but you don't need it. You never know, you never know what happens.

SPEAKER_03: 1:33:44

Uh, there's a guy I used to follow back in uh before COVID hit, and um he put he was talking about how he put toilet paper on auto subscribe on Amazon, and he forgot to turn it off and he just kept getting toilet paper over like every week. He had like 500 rolls of toilet paper. He's like, What am I gonna do? And this is like in the toilet paper shortage of 2020, you know. Um, he's like, What am I gonna do with all this toilet paper? I was like, You're not gonna need to buy toilet paper for about 10 years, that's why. But just like keeping it imagine putting that on the inventory sheet 500 rolls of triple ply.

SPEAKER_01: 1:34:23

Oh, he went, he went and got the good stuff.

SPEAKER_05: 1:34:26

Yeah, look, well, can't cheap out on those things, you don't want to wipe with sandpaper. There are you can permit yourself some luxuries in the apocalypse if you can stock up early enough. You can permit yourself some luxury. Yeah, also they go for great bargaining at that point. Yeah, I got the reply, buddy. What do you want? You know, it's like I just use old sheets for good. Use the tiny whiteys to get from everybody else, that's what you do.

SPEAKER_03: 1:34:53

I kick them out of the group and I keep the teddy whiteies. That's right.

SPEAKER_05: 1:34:57

I got a job for you.

SPEAKER_03: 1:34:58

Uh put them in the bag. Um, all right, last thing, and this is the biggest thing I see, especially online. Well, how do we keep the feds from getting in our group? Why do you care if feds are in your group? You're not doing anything illegal. Just don't do anything illegal. If someone comes to you and tries to get you to uh cut some inches off of a shotgun and sell it to them, do not do it.

SPEAKER_01: 1:35:26

If they want to kidnap the governor of Michigan, no, do not do it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:35:31

No, just don't do anything illegal, and it won't matter if the feds are in your group, right? Uh, just to hey, if somebody comes to you like, hey man, can you take this uh brace off this rifle and put this stock on for me? I just can't do it. My hands are tied. I'm making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Don't do it, just don't do it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:35:48

Look right into the body camera and tell them that is completely illegal, my friend John Doe, and I would never do such a thing. How dare you ask me to do such a thing? I am a law-abiding citizen, and then give them a wink.

SPEAKER_03: 1:36:02

And if someone comes to you and says, Hey, I know where the building is in West Virginia where they keep all the 4473s, and it'd be really easy to burn this thing down.

SPEAKER_01: 1:36:10

Then take one for the team and just go do it, guys.

SPEAKER_05: 1:36:12

Please, we'll try to go fund me for you if you take care of that.

SPEAKER_01: 1:36:16

If some if someone comes to you and says, I have seven thousand dollars. If you just tweet this about the older brothers, you're like, just once, I need the money first.

SPEAKER_05: 1:36:27

I need the money first before anything happens.

SPEAKER_01: 1:36:30

I'd say it depends. Are uh our uh are Barrett rifles on sale that week or not?

SPEAKER_03: 1:36:39

But it another aspect is like vet who you got coming in your group, right? Even if you just even have a buddy who wants to bring a friend along, like be very wary of what you show any new people that are coming, right? Even if you're doing some things that like you're putting that brace into your shoulder during the time when you couldn't do it, right? Like, I wouldn't have anybody new around when you do that, right? But um, you know, whatever it is, just vet who you have. If you want to keep layers of access, you can, right? So if any anybody new coming into the group, if you if they need to come to like some cookouts with y'all first, for y'all to vet this guy out first before they ever do some training with you, that's a good idea. You could do that, or they've got to go through a background check, right? Before they ever come do any training with you, you could do that too.

SPEAKER_01: 1:37:25

Or if you if you need an initi an initiation ritual where they do something illegal first, that's right.

SPEAKER_05: 1:37:30

Perfect. That's right. Make sure you get on video, yeah. Well, I think it's actually a really good idea keeping you know that goes to your leadership principle, right? Leadership talks about that stuff. Hey, we're just out here doing first aid stuff. Hey, we're out here just showing how to you know butcher a chicken. There's nothing like you said, there's nothing legal about that. Just going to a shooting competition, nothing legal about that, you know. Any of that stuff that you'll be nervous about, just don't tell those people until they earn it. They may never earn it.

SPEAKER_03: 1:38:04

Yeah, yeah, and there's just some people who just aren't good for the group. Be okay to let somebody go. Um, because you especially if they're a headache, right? Just let them go. Like, hey man, you're not allowed, you're you're not welcome here anymore. You're just I don't want to babysit while I'm here, right? And be a man and tell them to their face, right? Don't do it passive aggressively. But um I'm from Minnesota. You better figure out how to tell that person that it's a casserole, not a hot dish. Send them a tax.

SPEAKER_01: 1:38:33

Well, Adrian, I get some bad news.

SPEAKER_05: 1:38:40

Well, this is awkward.

SPEAKER_03: 1:38:44

I got Anthony.

SPEAKER_05: 1:38:49

Yeah, I mean, that's the you know, you have to back it goes back to leadership, right? If you can't make those difficult decisions about people in your group when it's comfortable, not gonna be able to rely on you in a leadership scenario to make the tough, like actual, real tough calls. So you want to be at you want the burden of leadership, it's a burden for a reason.

SPEAKER_01: 1:39:09

How do you choose a leader for the group?

SPEAKER_03: 1:39:12

I I'll tell you the the two people if you have access to them who would be should be at the top of your list. Um, anybody who served as an NCO in any type of military, uh, well in a combat in a combat role, we'll say, right? And anybody who's a paramedic because they are used to having to make hard decisions um on the fly. Right. Anybody who's a paramedic that works 911 um or who's a paramedic and has to work some type of ICU transport, they are consistently having to make hard decisions. And sometimes it's you know, hey, I'm gonna have to cut your finger off to save your arm, type of thing, right? Um, or I'd rather you be alive and paralyzed than dead and can walk, right? There's some situations that comes up. So paramedics are used to those decisions and making those decisions. Um and then anybody's an NCO. Now, outside of that, if you don't have access to those, um you're gonna have to find somebody who has good prudence and judgment and who isn't willing, who is willing to be wrong, right? Because if you're it's better for you to make a decision quickly with all the information you have and be wrong than to wait too long and make a good decision, right? Because then you're you're bite yourself when you don't need to. So yeah. Outside of that, it's it really comes down to a judgment call on who you think has the best leadership capabilities. But if you have somebody with either of those two skills, they'll be the first people I'll look at. Yeah, I completely agree. Are we talking police officer or military officer? Because I'm gonna say no to both of them, right? Because you one in the military officers, you can't get lost without spell without LT, right? Um, and two, most police officers, have you seen the body cam videos?

SPEAKER_05: 1:41:07

Yeah, it's not great. The crazy thing is, most you know, we we have a saying at the range, the guys we fear the most on the public range are or we're teaching or are in the LTC class or military and law enforcement. Um, simply because they don't follow directions well. There's a uh a general ease that I'm not comfortable with around firearms with them because they they've been around it so much. Uh they think they don't need to follow certain directions of protocol. So, you know, and also like Adrian said, a lot of them a lot. He's like, I was in the military for 25 years. What'd you do? I was a cook. Well, okay, that's great, but I don't think that means you're gonna be the guy who's gonna lead the charge here. So you know, you can cook stuff, great, go ahead and do that, but you're not, and and they'll try to they'll try to, and that's another, you know, I don't mean to go off here, but that could be something to avoid, you know, if you're vetting somebody like well, I was in the military, they might try to come in and commandeer and try to run things, yeah, a way that you may not be comfortable with because of their quote unquote military experience, and you're like, Well, you know, did y'all ever hear that group, the Appalachian Rangers?

SPEAKER_03: 1:42:16

No, so there was a a group uh um uh in the in the in the Appalachians. I don't know, I think they're in like South Carolina or and up into North Carolina, but um there was an issue where the guy who started what started that ended up ceding control to somebody else who's a little bit more outspoken and extroverted and such. Um, and they were doing some great training, they had a lot of good stuff on Instagram, like a lot of good stuff. Um, and then it comes to find out that the guy who took it over was grooming some of his own guys as a private military, and their goal was if things went bad, they were just he was just gonna be a warlord and start killing everybody and taking everybody's stuff with his group of like 12 guys, right? Um, and that got found. I I don't know how that got found out, but I remember it got it got pushed out for you know, I think they had him on um wiretap and some other things when they got released, but um, yeah, you gotta be very careful of some of these guys again. Beds can take over a group too, right? If you got a guy leading the group and all of a sudden he wants to make his own uh ammonium nitrate, you know, and start doing some stuff with it, uh, you should probably leave that group. I would not be involved with that whatsoever. Yep, absolutely. All right, let's go through some of these questions. You want to pull them up for us, Rob? Sure.

SPEAKER_01: 1:43:40

In a difficult case, how would you guys reestablish the spiritual life of the group? Try to find a priest for the group that would be willing to help aid with aid with help with it hard to find a priest.

SPEAKER_03: 1:43:53

Like one, priests are already super busy. Um most of them are anyway, and two, finding a priest who would actually be on board with a lot of this stuff for a lot of people is gonna be very difficult because the amount of effeminate priests we have out there uh who are very concerned about um outward appearances about things a lot of times. Like that's why you have a lot of these parishes that are scared to have a security team because they're afraid to be liable in case something happens. They'd rather you all die than have a team there that can protect y'all, right? That because they're afraid of getting sued. Um, but in my opinion, um establishing a prayer life with the group, right? Like you start with a prayer every time. Like I run him, I run a men's group here out of our parish, and the first thing we do is pray the rosary, right? So, and it's it's been established since then. That's the first thing we do every time. And it's really set the tone for the group. But you know, having a group prayer life every time you all get together, when you have meals together, um, and y'all don't be afraid to talk about the faith, even if some of them are Protestant, right? Some people just need to be told the wrong, right? So um, that would be my opinion, anyway.

SPEAKER_05: 1:45:05

I there's been a couple of parishes that have rejected having I've had knights wanting me to come and talk to their parishes that have been rejected by priests. So, kind of following what Adrian said, you're finding the good ones, the ones that they're gonna be, you know, they're like parking space, they're gonna get sapped up real quick. They're they're already part of groups of training. Uh maybe a Kapa goes back to that leadership. Your your leadership structure needs to be that's gotta be part of your plan in place. How are you going to institute the prayer life for the group? Because that once again, if you are in leadership, everybody's gonna be looking to you, they're gonna be looking to you for defense, food, and spiritual life as well. Like, you know, running a nightly rosary or morning rosary, morning prayer, you know, have a good Bible, make sure you can do the Bible readings every morning. Think there's ways you can do it. We have lessons in Catholicism from all these situations. Japanese got the sacraments for a thousand years, and yet they were able to keep that that that life thriving in Japan. I mean, you have the the Chinese right now that are the underground that they're dealing with stuff like that right now. So I know we want to be like, we're gonna get this priest, and he's yeah, probably not, probably not. You're you once again, as a father, and you know, Rob and Adrian know that they have authority in their homes, you know, to be the priest, prophet, and guess what? You're gonna have to be the priest, prophet, and king for your group, and that's once again, the leadership falls on you, and then within your smaller circles, you're gonna have to you know lead it in that group. So just don't and I I get it, you want to farm out for lack of a better term. We'll just get a priest and do that. Well, that's like you saying, I'm just gonna find a car and drive somewhere if I need to. You're you're you're putting things into a you're you're not accounting for that in a realistic way, and I don't want to be a jerk in that that sense, but you're kind of throwing it up to a theoretical that it's a variable you cannot control. And now, once all right, we're gonna get this priest, and it happens, priest isn't there. Now everybody's gonna go, what do we do now? Because we had counted on we're gonna get this guy. Well, we have a backup, or we have this. This is what we're gonna do. It's layers of redundancy.

SPEAKER_01: 1:47:31

Bishop um Bishop Schneider in his books, you know, has good examples of what of what the Catholic communities and um in the Soviet Union did, you know, as far as uh a prayer life and sacramental life and things like that, when they didn't have priests and had to do stuff underground. So those are um his books in general are just great to read, but um, even for that specific purpose, there's there's good stuff out there.

SPEAKER_03: 1:48:02

Well, who wrote the book Priest Prophet King?

SPEAKER_05: 1:48:05

Oh, um Dr. Dill Diller Dilling Dilling, yeah, didn't um something something like that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:48:13

Yeah, he I just remember him being on um Church Militant, right? And I this is back to like when Church Militant was thought to be just like the Fox News of the Catholic Church. Um and he was on there, and I thought that was a weird cat, man. I met him once.

SPEAKER_05: 1:48:28

Was he weird in person, too? We had him speak at an event, and he showed up late and he was like sweaty, and he went like 30 minutes over and he wouldn't leave the the stage. He's a weird dude, so um, but that book is phenomenal. Yeah, which one?

SPEAKER_01: 1:48:45

Because there's there's multiple uh hold on, I'll find it. Uh because Baron wrote one with that title. No, let's hold on, I'll find it. R Albert Moeller Jr.

SPEAKER_04: 1:48:57

No. No, let's see.

SPEAKER_05: 1:49:01

Dill Saber, Dr. Dill Saver Saber. Yes, there it is. Yep. His book is officially called The Three Marks of Manhood How to Be a Priest Prophet King of Your Family. Yeah, I met that guy. He was uh he was a weird cat. Yeah, he was a weird cat.

SPEAKER_04: 1:49:16

I ain't gonna lie about that.

SPEAKER_05: 1:49:18

Um, but his book is like you said, the book is good, but not he may be whatever, yeah. When he he was divinely inspired when he wrote the book.

SPEAKER_03: 1:49:27

Well, and and keep in mind, like some of the holiest people are weird to us because we're so broken, right? We don't, you know, that's why growing up, everybody's like, well, don't hang out with the homeschool kids, they're socially inept and they're weird. No, they were just innocent and we were debot, right? I think like that's the reason we didn't mesh well with the homeschool kids because they were what we should have been.

SPEAKER_01: 1:49:50

Um, I what the only other question I can really see is uh what is the shelf life of MREs?

SPEAKER_03: 1:49:57

Well depends. Like, how long is it out in the sun? Because uh in Afghanistan they didn't care. Like I ate some that were like five years out in the sun, and I'm pretty sure that's why I've lost a bunch of weight.

SPEAKER_01: 1:50:11

And it depends on the type too, because the new first strike ones are I think are like five years shelf stable uh after in spectrum.

SPEAKER_03: 1:50:18

I think average is like three years, yeah. Depending on how where you keep it and what climate controlled and everything. But if you keep it like down here in the south where it shifts you know hot to cold so often, well you I would say three years at most, but by a year or two, you need to be eating them on your camping trips.

SPEAKER_01: 1:50:37

And it is it by production date or inspection date? I think it's inspection date, right?

SPEAKER_03: 1:50:41

Yeah, we'll go by inspection date, yeah. There's a lot of them out there, they're super cheap right now.

SPEAKER_05: 1:50:49

That's another thing. I'll I hate to jump in. You're in a Trump slump right now. It happened in uh the first Trump administration. Ammo is ridiculous right now. I know some people say Benelli's free shipping on all ammo, like no matter how much. Uh MREs for Patriots, my Patriot supply, all that kind of stuff. That stuff's available, they have all that kind of stuff right now. Is a is a very good time. I know you know, I say that everybody's suffering, you know, money's not doesn't go as far, but the stuff is out there and this stuff is reasonably priced.

SPEAKER_03: 1:51:26

Yeah, it buy as much ammo as you can right now. Um, now keep in mind if it's it was made between 2020 and 2022, uh be a little careful with it because the quality control was pretty poor during those couple of years. Um, but anything after 2023 should be fine. Um, but yeah, buy as much of it as you can. You know, like I was showing in the telegram group, you can buy a conversion kit for an AR rifle to fire 22 long rifle out of it, and I do that all the time. No, you can't do it don't do it suppressed because it doesn't have enough gas to action the bolt, right? But um you I shoot 22 out of and it's like five cents a round. Now you buy a thousand rounds for 50 bucks, right? It's it was shooting all day, every day. Um you know, 20 or 9mm is like at most 20 cents a round right now. So you're getting a thousand rounds with free shipping for like 200 bucks plus tax. That's amazing, right? Um, five, five, six, three hundred blockout, you know, whatever you're buying, it's super cheap right now. Buy it now because if things ramp up in the next couple of years, like you know, as far as the Catholic faith goes, like my next nearest target I'm worried about is like April, May of 2029, right? Because that's the 100-year anniversary of when the the uh consecration of the wor of Russia should have been done, right? And I'm of the opinion it's not been done yet because I'm still waiting for that period of peace, right? If this is a period of peace, I've been sold a bill of goods. Um, but that's my next I'm like, well, what happens in 100 years? Like I yes, the sacred heart wasn't exactly 100 years, it was like 100 years in a week, right? But it was still pretty close.

SPEAKER_01: 1:53:12

Plus 20 that lines up pretty well with you know the end of the 28 election cycle, yeah. Which could see a lot of issues. Um, what was the website, Rick, to buy?

SPEAKER_05: 1:53:26

Uh I can say because I don't think it'll post. Uh B-E-R-L-E-L-I.com, Barelli. Free shipping on everything, and the ammo right now is just dirt cheap there. Like wherever, you know. I I just ran, I just became certified as an AR-15 instructor. Um, and I got 800 rounds for 350. Now it was Winchester white box, I get it, but it was still pretty, it was still pretty inexpensive to to acquire.

SPEAKER_03: 1:53:55

So I've seen 55 grain for like 40 cents a round, so 400 bucks for a thousand rounds. Yep, uh free shipping on a lot of this stuff. So yeah, yeah, that's it's super cheap right now. Buy as much of it as you can. Is uh as we talked about in previous shows, like how much should you have? As much as you can buy, right? But if you want a minimum, I would have at least 500 rounds in reserve, and 500 rounds you constantly train with.

SPEAKER_05: 1:54:23

That's what I actually would have. I I think I I go a thousand in reserve and then actively train with five.

SPEAKER_03: 1:54:29

So yeah, yeah, I would agree too. That's just I would agree too. Uh it's just it I if for people who already have a hard time buying a gun because it's too expensive, right? And not being able to justify that kind of purchase because it's either that or they pay the power bill. I get it, I get it. That's what I'm saying. So, like as long as you've got 500 rounds will last you a while. And if you're going to the because I only shoot 50 rounds a week, that's all I shoot, right? If I'm shooting more than 50 rounds, I'm wasting my time. I'm mag dumping at that point, right? But if I'm going to the the range and I'm working on skills, I'm really only shooting about 50 rounds a week. Um, and then there are some days, some range days I will shoot three, four hundred rounds because I've got the time to do it. But if I got if I got an hour, I'm shooting 50 rounds.

SPEAKER_05: 1:55:13

So you're we're we're also, I think, um we're all we're this isn't type baseball at this point for the folks. But um, I'm talking about like a thousand of of the actual defensive stuff that I would run in a scenario, not actual training uh stuff.

SPEAKER_03: 1:55:29

Yeah, but like on on 556, 55 grain ammo becomes what becomes duty ammo out of a 20-inch barrel, right? So if you want to if you want to turn that cheap training ammo into actual duty ammo, shoot it out of a 20-inch barrel, then it'll it'll it'll punch through anything. But it you're to your point, yes, I agree. Like, you know, but you're buying training ammo for like a dollar fifty a round, or I'm sorry, you know, actual duty ammo for like a dollar fifty a round, it's a hard ass for a lot of people, you know. I agree, that's a hard ass for me, you know. But I've got two mags of it right now, and then everything else is you know, FMJ, you know, shooting some ball ammo and everything, and that's uh it's a hundred.

SPEAKER_05: 1:56:11

That's another point you want to bring up is you know, you were talking about budgets earlier. That's something you want to do right now, set your budget. So if you need to only buck, buy a box a week or a month, yeah. You know, slowly build up 20 20 rounds at a time. It may not seem great, but if you accumulate, especially as Adrian with the cheap prices, find I know for like Fort Scott, I know it's it just as an example, you can get a subscription service to them. You can pick up, I want this, I want or ammo squared, yeah. Exactly. I just use them as an example, but there's tons of them where you can put yourself on a subscription service and you're just getting it and you're stockpiling it as well. I know Paul asks, is there a specific ammo brand for ARs? I don't think there's anything specific.

SPEAKER_03: 1:56:52

Uh that you'd avoid what would you avoid?

SPEAKER_05: 1:56:58

Winchester white box. But some guns, some pistols are very finicky with ammo, especially defensive ammo.

SPEAKER_01: 1:57:07

So especially the smalls, the smaller pistols, exactly.

SPEAKER_03: 1:57:11

So you're gonna have my blocks hate blazer, yeah, and I don't know why, but blazer shoots out of everything else I have.

SPEAKER_05: 1:57:18

So unfortunately, Paul, I hate to say it, you're gonna have to try some different boxes, yeah, just to figure out because I know people that'll buy a thousand rounds of something, and then it like it won't work in your gun, and it's like, well, great. So it's it's kind of uh it's it's a you just have to try it with different ammo. I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:57:40

So it's have you guys seen if uh 762 by 39 is any more available than it has been the last couple of years?

SPEAKER_03: 1:57:49

Because the import ban is still on until they lift that import ban, you're like there's no point in having the per the reason everybody bought AKs back in the day is one you can buy them for like 200 bucks and you can buy a thousand rounds of ammo for like a hundred bucks, yeah. Right? Um, because it's all it's all eastern block stuff. Well, because the import ban, well, now it's just as expensive as 556, and 556 has better terminal ballistics than the 762. So why would you shoot that? Unless you're rich and you just like want to flaunt your money.

SPEAKER_05: 1:58:17

But I would also say, as far as back to the compatibility argument, you're you're better off with with 556, yeah, being more compatible, mini mini 14s, ARs, things like that, than being stuck with a 7.6 with that commie ammo and uh having to deal with it that way. Then again, it's personal preference. People I know people that want to run it. You my my whole thing at the end of day is you run what you want to run, you know, just be aware of the the trade-offs you'll make with them and all the other kinds of things that you fall into. But yeah, run what you have run what you want to run, you know. Yeah, just make sure it runs. Yeah, that's really yeah, please do that.

SPEAKER_03: 1:58:53

Please do especially with carry ammo, right? Like, I I've tried everything from Horn of D critical duty to you know HST to Spear Gold Dot to G9 external haul points, and it all runs fine in all of my firearms, but some runs better than others. Yep, like my G9 external hollow points. Like, I'm hitting headshots at like 75 meters on a handgun, right? Out of my shadow compact, right? But yeah, I throw the HST in there and I'm lucky to hit the man-sized target at 50 yards, right? It's great from like 20 yards up, you know. It's just so your gun will run some things better than others, so just try a few. Yeah, just throw 100 bucks down, buy three different boxes of something, and and try those out. Yeah, it's gonna be better for you in the long run.

SPEAKER_05: 1:59:41

It really is in that regard. All right, we out of questions.

SPEAKER_01: 1:59:47

Yep, far well, there was one I saw. It was uh um best place to like best um best place to get MREs.

SPEAKER_03: 1:59:58

Amazon. Yeah. Like you'll have it in like three days and you're gonna find the best price there. And they'll give you a refund if it comes up cheaper. Like I know some people don't want to go to Amazon because it's you know chicken hands of the devil. I get that. But um if you if you're worried about your money, right, then and you don't have a lot, go there, or you can go to if you have a military surplus near you, they may have some that way you don't have to wait on it being delivered. Um but you know, places like Sportsman's God has it, um uh ODGG has it. Yeah, um, you know, you may not get the best price there, but you're at least not buying from Amazon.

SPEAKER_01: 2:00:39

So I've had good luck on eBay. Um a lot of it from I think Ozark Outdoors or something on eBay. I've gotten a lot from.

SPEAKER_05: 2:00:48

So yeah, just shop. You know, if you find uh speaking of Mr. Gunsingo back in the day, if you sign up for his email list, he'll always drop stuff. He just searches all over the place and he'll give you an email list of randomly be like, oh, a thousand MREs are on sale for like 39 cents, and you're like, I didn't know where that was, but thank you for looking for me.

SPEAKER_01: 2:01:07

Or following him on Twitter too. He yeah, he does that too, right?

SPEAKER_03: 2:01:10

Yep, him and uh Iraq veteran 88 or whatever his name. Yeah, not the 88 you think of. Well, now although he's kind of leaning that way now. I was gonna say he kind of is now, he's kind of transitioned into his name. It's like when you meet a guy and like when he's young, his name's Bill. You're like, Well, you're five years old. Why are you named Bill? And then later on, when he's 25, like, that's why your name is Bill. I get it now. You grew into that name, he has grown into his his handle. Uh yeah, I'd say if you're comfortable with that, yeah, yeah, why not? Some people go ahead. I was gonna say you're like, you're you're if you're shooting uh out of like a nine, 10-inch barrel, you're gonna get much better ballistics with it, right? Than you will have a handgun, but why not? I mean, the whole purpose of having a carbine is to be able to hit get longer distance, like an MP5 shoots nine millimeter, yeah. So you just would you're gonna hit you 100 yards is really gonna be your max, yeah, at most, right? But I wouldn't even do that like 50 yards. But if you're wanting to shoot out past 100 yards and you want to have the capability of and silence of a nine, I would go with 300 blackout.

SPEAKER_05: 2:02:22

The um we all know the AR has very little recoil, it's very manageable. A lot of people like that, but even for people that are very recoil-sensitive, carbines are a great excuse. Carbines are great if you want to do the nine mil, if you want to only it. Let's say you're on that budget, and you you know, if I have the nine mil carbine, I just buy one type ammo, and then I can just stack nine, and that way I can consolidate my resources and build up to a specific thing without having to get two separate ones. Some some guys, you know, they like it if they were that was a big thing with the bug out guys. Like, I carry one round, so that way I don't have to carry as much. Also, these are all things you have to consider, but I'm I'm a huge proponent of carbines, I think carbines are fantastic. Um, especially as truck guns, things like that. So, there's a lot of different uses for them. So, yep.

SPEAKER_03: 2:03:11

Get that uh Caltech sub 2000, whatever it is, and that thing that folds in on itself, throw that thing in a pocket, you know.

SPEAKER_01: 2:03:18

I have um I have uh the uh Smith Weston FPC in 10 millimeter.

SPEAKER_05: 2:03:24

Yeah, yeah, it works, it works. You know, some people will say no to peace, you know, pistol cover carvings, but it's really what you want to run. I always tell people run what you want to run. You don't want to run it, that's you're gonna have to run it in that situation, so you gotta be comfortable with it, and don't worry, no offense. I don't know who you are.

SPEAKER_03: 2:03:42

And and first of all, when you go shooting, you should have fun, yeah. Like, don't let anybody else dictate to you what you like to shoot.

SPEAKER_01: 2:03:48

It's okay to have guns that are just cool and fun.

SPEAKER_03: 2:03:51

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 2:03:53

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03: 2:03:55

That's dragging the breath out of the shotgun, do it.

SPEAKER_05: 2:03:58

Yeah, Caltech exists to make weird guns that nobody would ever actually use in real life, but look like wicked their 22 pistol, the Caltech P17, is a top-notch gun.

SPEAKER_03: 2:04:12

Like it's it's like 160 bucks. I throw a sepester on that thing, and you you'd never hear it all day, every day. And I've never had a failure on it. I've shot thousands of rounds out of that thing, and it eats it eats everything. So sometimes the Caltech puts out some good stuff. I'd buy a high point too because if you after seven rounds, you're out, you can beat them to death with it. Also makes a great hammer, so you can put them in the hammer in the tents. That's right. Um, like I and the thing with high points, man, they're reliable, they're ugly and they're heavy, but they they've they're reliable, they will shoot.

SPEAKER_05: 2:04:47

I love high point because they at least serve everybody, right? They give everybody an opportunity to have a firearm, you know. Everybody, this your right to keep and bear arms doesn't shouldn't be dictated by your price range.

SPEAKER_01: 2:04:57

Yeah, you see they're going on with the suppressor for like 250 bucks. I love them.

SPEAKER_03: 2:05:03

I loved it when they they leaned into it and named one of their guns the Yeet Cannon, the Yeet Cannon.

SPEAKER_05: 2:05:08

Yeah, I was like, man, with a company like that. Yep, you have enough self-awareness for stuff like that.

SPEAKER_01: 2:05:14

They're coming out with an AR, aren't they? Yeah, well, so is Glock.

SPEAKER_05: 2:05:18

You got you gotta give Caltech credit because they do the stuff, they actually force the gun industry to innovate in certain extent because they come out with the the the G, the the shotgun, the bullpup shotgun, and everybody's like, that's dumb. And then like five years later, everybody else does it. So it's just you got to give them credit where that is. They're the uh the old the old the old joke about the white train and then figuring out what kind of you know playing scatterboard on the wall. Let's make a nine mil that's a bull pup that folds.

SPEAKER_03: 2:05:50

Yes, well, they're the whole reason that they're the whole reason that five seven even still exists. Yep, because nobody's buying a P90. Let's be honest.

SPEAKER_00: 2:05:59

I've thought about it.

SPEAKER_05: 2:06:01

Unless you can unless they make an FRT for it, there ain't no reason I bought it. I had a guy qualify with a Smith and Wesson 5.7 the other day. Really? Really? Yeah, everybody in the range said that all the game, he's like 5'7. But his group, he he shot a 250 and his group was right right like that. Nice flat round. I mean, it was perfect to shoot with, but don't use that one, folks. If any out of any, I will say don't don't buy five seven. It's just you will go broke. Yeah, it is super the apocalypse is gonna happen, it's gonna be like just take my stuff because like if I shoot this, I'm gonna be I can't shoot my gun.

SPEAKER_01: 2:06:35

So um, if you could only pick one rifle caliber, would it be uh 308 or 556? In an end of the world sort of situation.

SPEAKER_03: 2:06:50

I'm gonna let you go first on this one, Rick. I'm I'm I'm on I'm interested to see which one you pick.

SPEAKER_05: 2:06:55

I'm gonna be I'll go with the the standard answer. I'll go 556. Um, I think it's more versatile uh uh in that regard. Um I have no problem with either one, but if I was the the standard person, I think I think the the five five six would be my choice for that. Um just and this is another thing that um I'll throw out there is the weight of the rifle that you're gonna be carrying if you're gonna be lugging it around uh for long periods of time. Yes, slings help, but if you're gonna be you know, five five six a little bit lighter than the ammo weight of the amount of ammo's gonna be a little bit lighter too. So I have like I said, I've I said I don't care what you run. If you want to run one, if you had if you gave me the choice, I would say five, five, six.

SPEAKER_01: 2:07:42

I I think it's it's gonna depend on on where you are. Um, for me, you know, in the woods of Minnesota, we don't have long shooting lanes, so I don't need a thousand yards, you know, rifle to shoot a thousand yards. Um, I'm gonna only get a couple hundred yards at most. Um, the biggest animal we have here is moose, but you're not probably gonna be hunting moose. Uh so a 556 will usually take down a white, you know, white-tailed deer, something like that. Um, and like like Rick was saying, uh, you know, for uh a typical loadout, you're gonna get 70 rounds more ammo out of 556, you know, than you will uh 308. So if you don't need the a thousand yards and you don't need to put down an elk, you probably don't need 308, in my opinion. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 2:08:36

The uh the whole reason I would choose 556 is because the ammo capacity. Um, you can carry a whole lot more weight-wise in ammo. Uh if y'all don't why if y'all don't follow Dirty Civilian or watch their stuff, you should. They put a really good one on the the comparison between uh World War II loadout and today's loadout, um and the amount of ammo because they they were shooting you know the M1 Grand, which was 30 odd six, and they were carrying like 80 rounds plus the eight in the rifle, right? Because that's all they could carry. Um, they were having to stuff it everywhere else, but it was super heavy. When Eugene Stoner invented the the AR-15, the Armor Light 15. Um he what one he had to do it based on what the requirements of the government, uh, and that's where the 556 was born from, is he basically developed that round or at least maximized it, right? So you can carry a whole lot more ammo with 556. Um, and especially if you get into the higher grain stuff, like my my go-to AR is a 12-inch barrel, and I shoot 69 grain out of it, and I'm hitting five higher 600 yards out of it. No problem. Man-sized target every single time. Now I'm not hitting a quarter, right? But I'll hit a man-sized target all day, every day with out of a 12-inch out with 556, and I can carry, you know, my my chest rig is six mags on the chest rig, one in the rifle, one on the belt, right? That's a lot of ammo. The equivalent would be like five mags of 308. On top of that, if you've never fired a 308 more than 60 rounds in a row, you will the first time you do it will be the last time. That thing will beat you up, yeah. Right. And to look at anybody that does any type of um battle rifle competitions, and they've got bru their shoulder is bruised by the end of the day, and then they're only shooting 100 rounds, right? Um, and some guys are fatter than others, so they're not gonna bruise as easy, right? So but still, like a 308 battle rifle will beat you up. Um, it's just not fun to shoot, man. Um long distance stuff, probably single shot every 30 seconds or so, maybe. But you're shooting if you're mag dumping it into a dude, like that 308 is gonna tear you up. So that would be the reason I would choose 506.

SPEAKER_01: 2:10:59

Um I don't know if we got anything else, guys.

SPEAKER_03: 2:11:05

We got this one. Oh yeah. If you're in Minnesota, it'd be dogs. Why? What do you mean why?

SPEAKER_04: 2:11:14

Actually, it'd be the cats. They need them all, then the dogs, but first the cats, then the dogs, maybe my nationwide go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03: 2:11:26

Nationwide, it would it would be your domestic, it would be your cats and your dogs, yeah. Because you're gonna be the easiest ones caught. Deer, like we have a lot of deer right now because we don't have as many hunters as we did 35 years ago, right? But um, deer are super smart and they will avoid you like the plague. They're really easy. Dogs are trusting, cats are a little less trusting, but they're there's a they proliferate pretty easy.

SPEAKER_01: 2:11:50

So those are the first ones in areas um where we see uh decline or collapse of of society, you do see packs of wild dogs that become endemic. So you're right. I they would disappear as domestic animals, yeah. But I think uh in many areas you probably see wild dogs make a comeback, um, and probably start interbreeding with coyotes and wolves and things like that.

SPEAKER_03: 2:12:15

If y'all ever listened to Selko and his story, uh, wild dogs were an issue. Um, and mostly because a lot of the the dogs um were breeding with you know other coyotes and things like that as well. But um, they got to a point where uh they started to learn to avoid people after a certain period of time too. Um and then they became they started running around in packs. You I have it now out in the country, like for whatever reason, people love to drive out here and just drop their dog off, yeah, and then they drive off. Um, and then so now I've got issues with dogs attacking my chickens and stuff. Um, you know, so and then there's issues around and then feral hogs. We don't, it's not so bad here in Alabama yet. It's a lot worse in Georgia and way worse in Texas. Um, but feral hogs are you don't want to eat a male boar feral hog. They've been in so many fights, they've got so many cysts in their meat that it'll it'll kill you.

SPEAKER_01: 2:13:15

Do you think the um I guess which population do you think would crater first? Do you think humans would last long enough to because if you have a lot more humans hunting animals than you do now, right? If it becomes a necessity, they could really diminish the population of game animals. Or at the same time, if the human population craters first, then game animals animals become a lot more available, you know, to anyone remaining. So I guess but you know, I I always play around in my head, like where I'm at, where we are we have a fairly low population compared to animals, like do I think which do I think would would disappear first? And I'm not sure. I think where I'm at, I think the the game animals would hold on longer than the humans, but I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_05: 2:14:18

I think it depends on really population by population centers. Um I actually think you would find a situation where urban centers areas would crater just because of that, and then you'd see within a three to five year period that those areas being dominated by game animals because it would be a place where there would be lack of predators, um, rich food supplies, things like that. Um, as far as and of course, as you guys both say, they would stay away from human populations, human populations have to go farther, farther out to actually acquire these animals. Um, because the people, the numbers people run in these scenarios that we're talking about, you're looking at within six months, the amount of people on medications, the amount of people that are actually not physically fit, the people that can't, you know, that are calorie heavy, that won't be able to sustain their calorie-heavy diets and so forth. Conservative estimates within a year's 50% of the population is either dying or gone. Um, so especially urban centers where it's fight, food, all these kinds of things, they'll they they will eat each other up. Whoever tries to ex-fill out of those areas, they'll run into all these other kinds of things. So long term, of course, animals will probably they will they will come back to probably greater populations.

SPEAKER_03: 2:15:38

We've got you've got entire YouTube channels now of guys who do urban hunting, they go to like oh yeah, parts and stuff in cities because the deer are so popular just in these cities as well. Yep. But to Rick's point, like just keep in mind how many stories come out when there's a big storm, a winter storm comes through, and that guy goes up to get all the snow off his roof and dies of a heart attack because that's the most activity he's done in six months, right? Uh, this is all over the place. How many people are on diabetic medications? Whether they're on some type of A1C inhibitor or some sort, or they're on insulin itself. Um, you know, these people are going to die super fast. People on ventilators in hospitals, right? Who are being supported by you know 10 times the amount of people, uh, just keep them alive. Um, you know, people who are on SSRIs, people aren't gonna play with their BS anymore and they're just gonna kill them, right? Um, and they're gonna be the first people who who are gonna be violent in that situation. So um you're gonna see the conservative estimate right now, according to the EMP uh study done back in the 90s with Newt Gingrich and William Fortune was um six weeks without power, 90% of the United States is dead. So, and that's conservative estimates. I think it'll be worse than that.

SPEAKER_01: 2:17:02

That was in the 90s. We're a lot more dependent on stuff today than we were then.

SPEAKER_03: 2:17:08

Yeah, I mean, everything's got a computer chip in it. I had to register my fridge earlier to let to turn the alarm off because I changed the filter on it. Right? Like we we are so dependent on so much stupid stuff. Um it's insane. Uh but yeah, I the animals out last us, but the people who survive all this stuff are gonna be apex apex predators. They're gonna be they're gonna be they're gonna know everything, you know, how to survive in an urban environment and as well as how to kill and feel just a deer and and butcher it there, right? Like it's gonna be people who are gonna gain a whole bunch of skills on this stuff, just through necessity.

SPEAKER_05: 2:17:50

Yeah, exactly. I think a lot of people dream of it, but they a lot of people a lot of people fantasize about it, but yeah, they they don't want to actually do it. They wanna they want to do like the hunting thing, they want to hunt like the zombies and stuff like that with no you know little recourse for any of that kind of violence, but they don't want to talk about the uh the the day-to-day operations and the actual survivability, and really it just comes back to the mental, the mental no matter how physically fit people are, if they can't handle the mental aspect of it, then they'll just fold. Yep.

SPEAKER_03: 2:18:28

Yep, yeah. I think this is a especially over 40, you need to be shocking your sensual nervous system every other day. Like lift heavy stuff, uh, especially after 40 years old. Um you know, I've got uh a myriad of issues from my time in the core, bad, you know, bad knees, bad back, and all that. Um and it's a struggle to get up Monday, Wednesday, Friday and go to the gym and lift heavy stuff. It just hurts. Like right now, I've got a hip issue and I've never had a hip issue before. Um, and so I'm trying to figure that out. Um, and I'm dealing with a coup. So today I couldn't go, right? But tomorrow morning I'm gonna be end up doing Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday. One, because I need to for my own health, but two, because my family needs it. Right. And I don't want to be the biggest thing for me is I dread the day that I can't carry my youngest up the stairs to her bedroom. Right, whether it's because she's grown too big or I've grown too weak. Right, one way, one of those things is gonna happen eventually. Um, and I dread that day. But right now, I'm still doing it because I go and I lift heavy every you know, other day, three days a week, and I walk the other day or two a week as well with some weight on my back. I've got a driveway that's uphill half the way. Um, so do hard things, get yourself out of your comfort zone, um, eat better, right? Um, but just get uh physically active. Don't there's a uh y'all ever watched any grunt proof? He's a guy on YouTube as well. He used to he used to be a um physical trainer as well. The thing he would start most people on who are not physically active is just get them to walk an hour every day for 30 days. Don't change anything about your diet, don't change anything, just walk an hour because one that still is discipline that you're gonna do it every day, two, it's activity every day, but you won't even need to really change your diet either, because you're introducing a lot more activity and you need that food to keep up your energy, and then after that, he starts introducing you know weights and resistance training and diet and everything. You gotta build up that discipline first of 30 days, and then after that, you can start getting into more depth.

SPEAKER_05: 2:20:52

Yeah, 100%. Rucking is a great way if you have bad knees, bad backs, things like that. If you want to just start off light, rucking is a great way of resistance training, getting steps in. That's absolutely fantastic.

SPEAKER_03: 2:21:06

All right, that is all I got. I'm out of notes. Did y'all have anything else y'all want to talk about? All right, last thing I'm gonna hit with. Join the telegram. I'm going to be posting a competition tomorrow for the month of October. It's gonna be a shooting competition. Um, and I'll put the rules and everything in into the competition. Um, and just to give you all an idea of what it's gonna be, it's going to be a Mozambique drill, reload Mozambique drill. Okay, timed the person with the best score at the end of the month in the telegram chat. I will buy you a avoiding Babylon t-shirt of your choice. Okay, this is to encourage you all to get out and train, to get to the range, and to compete against yourself and others and give you an incentive to do it. Okay. Um, so I'll post it tomorrow. Join the telegram chat. Rob, it will has the post it in the description or the comments or whatever.

SPEAKER_01: 2:22:02

We'll just put it in the live chat.

SPEAKER_03: 2:22:04

Yeah, so go to the live chat, get there. If you don't see it, uh if it gets lost in the in the comments somewhere, just DM me or Rob and we'll send you the link to get into it. Um, but the goal is to start building this community better and to make each other better and to start competing against each other. Um, because once you start beating other guys, you can start talking that crap, right? Starts make other guys want to be better so they can start talking that crap too. Uh so join the telegram and get involved. Um and hope to see you all there. Rick for the night. Rick, yeah, hawk your stuff, Rick.

SPEAKER_05: 2:22:42

Um, first thing, if you want to check it out, I have a book on Amazon called The Armed Catholic Catholic Case for Guns and Self-Defense. Um, check it out if you'd like. Secondly, uh, if you um like the stuff we're talking about here, uh, or my opinions on them, you can go check out my uh channel. It's Rick Cast. Um the Rick Cast because some other loser took Rick Cast before, so I had to be the Rick Cast, but it's fine. Uh, we have the Council of St. Michael's every Wednesday. It's something very similar to this group. I've got three amazing guys, Joey O, uh Trad Rav of uh operator, and Catholic Preppers Unite. We all get together and talk about this. Wednesday show is gonna be lawful self-defense and use of forth, cat use of force, Catholic perspective on just war and moral duty. Uh, we're gonna go through a bunch of different things when to shoot, when to not shoot, um, legal consequences for it, ramifications, thinking about some of the topics we talked about it as well. Uh, so we do that every Wednesday night, and then I stream Monday through Friday, except for Wednesdays when I do the council. 6 p.m. Central Time, where I just kind of rant for an hour about stuff I don't like. Uh, so if you're into that kind of it's really just that. I I could try to make it sound a lot more um than, but it's not. I don't want to give you guys a false sense of something that it's not, it's just me ranting. Uh so all that stuff is great. Now, if you're in in if you're in the Texas area, especially Central Texas, I work at a gun range called Sendero Shooting Sports. I'm part of the team there. I do LTC classes if you're if you're interested in getting your license to carry in the state of Texas and you're in the central Texas area. I run mostly the Saturday courses. Um, like I said, I'm certified to run AR 15 courses and stuff like that if you're interested in those as well. Uh just send me a message on X at Stradcath. And uh once again, big thank you to both Rob and Adrian for uh letting me crash tonight and hang out with you guys. It was a good time.

SPEAKER_01: 2:24:33

Yeah, thanks for coming, Rick. Um, uh yeah, I don't have anything else. Uh usual Tuesday.

SPEAKER_03: 2:24:41

I got a question, Rob. How much did that uh Annunciation Parish t-shirt end up raising?

SPEAKER_01: 2:24:46

Uh just over a thousand dollars.

unknown: 2:24:49

Nice.

SPEAKER_01: 2:24:49

Yeah, I'm gonna do the final math on it this week and get the money sent to them.

SPEAKER_03: 2:24:54

I wore it, I wore it to uh my we have a black football league at our parish, and I wore it a couple weeks ago, and I sent a bunch of people over to go. I don't know if they did bought it or not.

SPEAKER_01: 2:25:04

Uh I yeah, I saw an influx a couple weeks after we were pushing it. So that yeah, it was probably that then. Good. Yeah. So uh yeah, thanks. Uh thanks, Rick, for coming on. It was great having you, Adrian. Thanks uh once again. And um, just to remind everyone, next week this will be on a separate channel than the normal of Owning Babylon, and I'll get that sent out. And um uh I'll probably share that on one of our shows later in the week. But um, yeah, thanks everyone.