Catholic EXORCIST Fr Ripperger on DEMONIC Involvement on Recent Violent Attacks (Full LOCALS Version)

The headlines feel spiritual: violent acts draped in occult symbols, ideologies that sanctify chaos, and a news cycle designed to keep you angry and exhausted. We sit down to trace the deeper mechanics—how diabolic obsession chips away at a soul, how malformed consciences invert moral judgment, and how engineered crises exploit our attention until we’ll accept any promised relief. Then we get practical: what to do when institutions lie, how to think in degrees of certainty, and why grace—not just information—restores clarity.

We also zoom in on Gen Z, where the split is stark. One stream rushes toward the occult, hungry for power and novelty. The other moves toward tradition—Orthodoxy, the TLM, sacraments, and serious prayer—hungry for reverence and transcendence that screens can’t provide. That instinct to worship never died; it was displaced. We explore why youth want liturgy that demands something, how the virtue of religion fulfills natural law, and what “traditional” really means: not cosplay, but fidelity to principles applied with prudence today.

The Q&A hits ground level. Do curses work? When and why? What does confession remove—and what remains to be healed? Why does decommissioning tattoos draw real spiritual resistance? How should you decline a wedding outside the Church? Is the rosary more efficacious in Latin? What makes an exorcism effective—prayer text, holiness, or jurisdiction? We even talk humor: how to keep levity without derision so joy serves truth instead of cheapening it.

If relentless confusion has numbed your will, take heart. The path back isn’t complicated: worship God as He commands, guard your mind, verify claims, pray with devotion, recover processions and adoration, and ask for the grace that grants clarity. Listen, share with a friend who’s feeling the fog, and tell us: where do you see hope rising? If this helped, subscribe, leave a review, and pass it on.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Sponsor, Setup, Name Pronunciation
• 1:44 Violence, Ideology, and Diabolic Obsession
• 5:54 Malformed Consciences: From “Wrong” to “Right”
• 10:44 Distrust, Media Lies, and Degrees of Certitude
• 15:46 Crisis Engineering: Create the Problem, Sell the Fix
• 20:53 Church Infiltration, Modernism, and Moral Collapse
• 26:42 Generations, Occult Rise, and Gen Z Bifurcation
• 33:12 Why Youth Seek Transcendence and Tradition
• 38:40 What “Traditional” Really Means: Principles and Prudence
• 45:03 Chastisement, La Salette, and a Coming Reckoning
• 50:14 Curses, Witchcraft Tiers, and God’s Permission
• 55:47 Processions, Devotions, and Prayer Efficacy
• 1:00:05 Humor, Derision, and Keeping Gravitas
• 1:03:08 Q&A: Attachments, Confession, and Residual Effects
• 1:10:42 Tattoos, “Decommissioning,” and Demonic Claims
• 1:16:00 Latin Rosary, Mental Prayer, and Efficacy
• 1:20:02 Orthodox and Protestant Exorcisms vs Authority
• 1:24:00 Weddings Outside the Church and Participation
• 1:27:34 Sibling Order, Natural Law, and Authority
• 1:29:34 Apparition Chasing, Curiosity, and Faith
• 1:33:00 Blessing and Closing, Move to Locals

Transcript

SPEAKER_06: 0:27

Okay, Father Ripper returned to the morning Babylon. Um, we only have one hour with Father tonight, so we're gonna try and jump right into stuff. But Rob, you have uh you have an ad read, right? You have to do real quick.

SPEAKER_08: 0:39

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SPEAKER_06: 1:10

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SPEAKER_06: 1:23

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SPEAKER_06: 1:32

Um, okay, so father ripperger. Is it ripper or ripper? I have to settle this.

SPEAKER_02: 1:37

Uh, it's a hard G, so it's Ripper Gur.

SPEAKER_06: 1:40

I've been saying it correctly all these years, as everybody tells me I mispronounce it. So, um, okay, so I uh Robin I wanted to get you on because we've been seeing um a lot of craziness in the culture lately, and specifically in the past like six weeks, starting with the the shooting in Minnesota, um, and what uh the shooting on the on the Catholic school and some of the imagery that came from that shooter's manifesto and the the um imagery on the on the on the guns and the bullets and stuff. And uh we were talking about how uh a lot of these um people that have been committing these things are part of these like trans anarchist groups, and so I don't know if you Rob, what are those what are those groups actually called?

SPEAKER_08: 2:30

So I mean there's there's like the Antifa sort that um that the Charlie Kirk shooter was in, like the the John Brown Guns Club, the Democrat Socialists of America, kind of your um your evolved versions of the old um communist groups, but then you also have these these more kind of satanic uh aligned accelerationist groups like the order of nine angles, and I always get it wrong, it's either 746 or 764. Um, but all these like all these sorts of groups that were so many of these violent shooters have have been in recently. Um, the the Colorado shooting that happened the same day as Charlie Kirk, the shooter there was uh in these the order of like nine uh angles group and and stuff as well, too.

SPEAKER_06: 3:20

So yeah, we were just kind of wondering if there was any kind of just because I don't I I I know everybody's gonna try to associate the Charlie Kirk shooter being like demonically possessed, and I don't think you could say that, but the kid in Minnesota in in Minneapolis, there seemed to be like when we watched those videos, that kid really did seem to have some kind of demonic possession going on. Did you catch any of those videos?

SPEAKER_02: 3:46

Uh I did a few of them. Um I think that uh okay, so let's just back up just a little bit. One of the patterns that you'll tend to see with people like this, there's there's actually two things that you see. The first is that uh demons can start working on somebody, especially like if somebody starts watching pornography or something like that, the demons can get their foot in the door and then they start chiseling at the person through diabolic obsession. And I think that's um, you know, if you look at the guy that shot Charlie Kirk, it looks like that he got involved in certain things, and then there was this quick deviation, which is a pattern that we regularly see, not when people are in it's in addition to people being possessed, but also people being diabolically obsessed. And I'm not suggesting that he necessarily is, it's hard to know without actually sitting down and talking to him and praying over him. But what happens is the demons start picking at the person and then they psychologically work the person into a state where when it comes time to actually kill themselves or kill somebody else, the demon doesn't have to do a whole lot of work because, in fact, he doesn't want to do a whole lot of work, he wants to get you worked up so that you make the choice so that it's fully voluntary, and then you are the one that's culpable for having actually done that. Although they will sometimes drive it as well. So um it it's not it and when they get to that stage, we call it little demon big drama. You can the demons can drive it to such a point where they don't have to do a whole lot of work, they just have to go boop, and then uh then what happens is once once the person um gets uh to that state, the demon only has to do just a minor suggestion, and then phone, they'll go off and do some really bad stuff because they've worked themselves into that state or allowed themselves to get worked into that state. There's a second component that we're actually seeing with some of these guys, and you see this actually not just with Charlie Kirk's, but you see this with some of the other guys, and that is did either any of you guys ever listen to that conference I did called Malformed Consciences? No, I didn't catch that. Probably. Yeah, so basically, this is the structure of how this works. What happens is St. Thomas talks about it in the context of question uh 153, article five of the of the um of the secunda secunda of the Summa Theologia. And in there he talks about how the person starts out thinking that fornication is immoral, right? Or that certain things of impurity are immoral. But then Bessie Sue walks in and she's so beautiful. He she the guy comes and says, Okay, in this one instance, I'll do it. But then as he keeps falling over the course of time, so he goes from thinking it's immoral to actually thinking that uh you know it's actually not bad, to actually it's not it's it's actually good. And then once it becomes good, then anybody who attacks it or tells them you can't does it, they become the evil people, and so that's the progression you tend to see. Now we saw that in our own culture, we actually saw that in our own culture in regard to fornication itself. The greatest generation was the ones that were fornicating behind the scenes and nobody knew that we're talking too much about it. There's all sorts of indicators of that, but that's why they didn't stop the boomers from openly doing it. So the boomers said, free love, this is all great, la da da. And then uh, you know, in the 90s and after it became de rigueur or it became uh the conventional wisdom that you should live together before you ever consider even getting marriage. And so people suggest, hey, you shouldn't be doing this. Okay, the same thing, that same pattern happened in relationship to stuff like homosexuality, with transgenderism, with all this stuff. And so by the time we've gotten till now, these people still have that we still have the natural inclination, even when our conscience is malformed like that or goes off like that, we still have an inclination to judge that things are right and wrong, but we end up judging the wrong things are right and the right things are wrong, and that's where that's where we're actually at in the state of things right now. So the with between the demons, uh between people's condition uh intellectual depravity, intellectual formation getting to that point, and then the demons being in the mix, that's why we're seeing this stuff. That's my take on it.

SPEAKER_06: 8:02

So, okay, so now on top of that, we just watch the whole the whole Charlie Kirk thing go down, and then a million different stories are coming out, and we're seeing so many of us are watching content, and this one's saying this doesn't add up, and you you start getting all these conspiracy theories coming out, and uh for me specifically, like I am in a I am in a uh such a state of cynicism at this point from everything they did to us from COVID up until now, and then every single event, I'm just skeptical of every single narrative the government put forth to us. Like, what what should someone like me who has no because it seems to me like this is actually the point of what they're doing, like this fog of war, fifth generational warfare thing where they just want to leave people in this perpetual state of untrust, like distrust of every authority figure.

SPEAKER_08: 8:57

It basically like saps your will to act, is what it seems, because you don't know what's real, what's not real, and it it just seems so like diabolic in nature that that um, for instance, like after the Charlie Kirk, there seemed to be a a will to action of some sort to to you know somehow correct the issues that that are going on in our society yet. But within now two, two and a half weeks, that that will seems to have evaporated because of all the disinfort disinformation, misinformation stuff out there. No one knows what to believe or what to trust.

SPEAKER_02: 9:34

Yeah, I mean there's two components to it. The first is is that when that when we come up against an uh an institution or an agency in the government or or even in the news media where there's this chronic lying. We they're caught over and over again. Appetitively, it gets to the point where we get burned, and so we're just we get cynical, which is actually more repetitive than intellectual. The intellectual component should be doing what we would always do intellectually, is because it is possible that they actually tell something that's true. I actually talk about this in my book Shock Talk, where there was this one story where this woman jumps off a bridge and kills herself because of this, and yet when you the place I saw it was in the National Inquirer, and it was absolutely 100% true. Now, the National Inquirer is completely unreliable, right? Yeah, so it but what it does is it conditions people to intellectually stop analyzing things in relationship to what they can know uh as truth and the degrees of certitude. In other words, when the like when the news media tells us something, you know, like and I took this basic approach to what's going on in Ukraine and uh Russian war. Um, I mean, the more I read and more I'm getting a better sense of it. But in the end, the two agencies that have been habitually lying to us are the ones telling us what's going on over there. Okay, so that tells me there's a war probably going on, there's probably stuff going on, who's winning and who's not, and who's all that. I don't have certitude because the the sources I can't trust. Now, that doesn't mean that um uh and because the sources themselves are unreliable. So, what does this actually mean? It means that um what they're really trying to do is get people to the point where they're following this distrust to such a degree that it it that intellectually, even when the truth is is then finally told to them, they don't believe it. And so, and then and then from there they can continue to manipulate people because as long as you have intellectual clarity, so what is it, what is our approach to it? It has to be well, truth is the adequation of intellect with thing, and that and so we have to always try and go back to what's the reality of this situation. If I don't have immediate connection to the reality, then whatever and whatever is the medium of that information determines the degree of certitude that I have. So, okay, there might be something going on, but in the end I don't know. I'll, you know, if it's something that's important, I'll take invest investigate and look and get to a certain degree, but I'll try and achieve the knowledge to it to the degree that I can. Um, and that means that I also don't necessarily dismiss every single source. I just have to verify everything, is what it really boils down to.

SPEAKER_04: 12:13

Can I ask a question, Father?

SPEAKER_02: 12:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 12:16

Um, I believe it was Rahmanuel who coined the phrase, never let a crisis go to waste. Of course, we all know at the very end where everything is headed with the Antichrist, um, you know, all events off obviously point to one end um throughout world history. Uh don't let uh anything go to waste. How much of that do you think the enemy plans a lot of the the trauma then comes out with the solution? And how is that connected to the demons do that as well in our in our in our intellect? I'm sort of asking what the correlation between the two.

SPEAKER_02: 12:55

Oh, yeah, they do. The demons do this all the time. In fact, it's a diabolic tactic. In fact, it was it was it was basically the demons that taught it to the communists and taught it to the uh, I mean, not necessarily by actual divination, but by suggestion, and even to Sol Olinsky, where you create the problem and then you step in as if you're the solution to the problem. And the the thing is, is that part of that is that you see this where it's um uh and this is something which I started noticing the pattern with Obama was the same pattern that I actually saw in cases of possession, where it's just one bomb after another, and you never get you once you start to get to the point where you think you're gonna recover from this and get a semblance of normalcy, they drop the next bomb and it just keeps so it's constantly keeping you um off kilter, and you can't really get any semblance of normalcy. And then from there, then they can step in and say, See, if you would just do what we tell you, then this would all stop, right? And so that's that it comes from the diabolic, but that's just the that's what it tells us is that we're we're living in the middle of a communist playbook, literally, right now, as this stuff just keeps happening.

SPEAKER_08: 14:02

When we see similar things like that happen in the church, I mean, does that tell us that those same forces are at work in the church as they are in politics?

SPEAKER_02: 14:16

Well, I mean, if the if the sources that have been uh if the sources are actually accurate, yeah, we do know that these these same types of things have been going on in the church actually um since the uh this the 30s, 40s, and 50s. I mean, they've been actually going on. There is a, you know, if you actually look at what happened in the 60s and 70s, that was um in the church. Um, I think for me that the situation in the church is a much more complex thing. Um, there's very good evidence, uh, at least of Bella Dodd, who gave congressional testimonies to be believed, is that the communists infiltrated the church. The Freemasons had been openly talking about infiltrating the church. And then on top of that, you had the moral collapse in the 30s, 40s, and 50s. And this is why in 1960, the Congregation for Religious um puts out a letter, Institute Religious Orum, saying stop ordaining the homosexuals and pedophiles. So that had already infiltrated. So now what we have is in the church, it seems to me is that um it's a much it's more complex, but you still see those same dynamics that are actually happening. It's the same, it's the same, it's the same playbook. I I also gave a conference if if people want to listen to where I talk about what we're seeing in the world always is predated as happening in the church 10 to 20 years before that. It's already been happening in the church, and so what we're seeing in the world has already been happening in the church, and so as a result of that, that's why the graces aren't uh flowing to the world, and that's why we're that we see the specific things. In fact, I show that the specific problems in the church result in those exact same specific problems happening in the world.

SPEAKER_06: 16:05

I went back and listened to your uh generational spirits conference today, and I I was listening to you you basically started the lost generation, and you talk about how it all started with like this effeminacy that kind of crept in, where um the earlier generations would suffer but never talk about it, and then as you got on, then you'd start getting uh the later generations would then nonstop be complaining about it. And by the time you get to the millennials, it's narcissism that's crept in. And this this talk you gave like seven years ago. Um, and now that we've had a little bit of time to see Gen Z play out, do you have any other insights about Gen Z? I know I know you made a a very, very accurate prediction towards the end of that. And I listening to it this morning, it was like seven years ago. I was like, wow, that kind of came to fruition, didn't it?

SPEAKER_02: 17:02

Yeah, the prediction I said is is that the um the the sixth generation, which is actually from the lost generation, the sixth generation, which is Gen Z, would actually be involved in the occult. So um what we saw, what we're seeing now among that generation is a bifurcation of that generation, a pretty serious bifurcation. So that you see people in that generation, uh there's a percentage of them that are that are actually involved in the occult. In fact, even the Satanists who have said that their recruiting efforts in that generation is like uh it's they have like a 15-fold increase in the number of people coming in from that generation than they did in the past, something to that effect. But then the um, but then but then the other part of that is is people realizing, okay, wait a minute, uh, this is all evil. I mean, because if people act according to natural virtue, they see this evil stuff happening, they're like, that's not right. And then so then we're seeing um, which I didn't really necessarily see, um, which is because I just saw that given way the generations were declining, that uh the occult activity was going to be the part, they're gonna be pagans, basically. And then um actually worshiping demons, etc., which some which percent which a large percentage of them are, and then the other percentage though is then now converting to uh converting to Christianity or trying to live a Catholic, a Catholic, or a Christian faith, and so that bifurcation is something I didn't see, but I did see the the first part of the occult activity.

SPEAKER_06: 18:30

It's like the it's it's basically like religion was inevitable, and they tried to they tried to push this materialist worldview for so long, and now we're actually seeing the ends of that, which there is no such thing as just a materialist worldview, ration like the the enlightenment is falling apart, and you're seeing the the younger generation is going for like this some kind of spirituality, whether that's these pagan things, which is why they're always trying to like um make like trans sacred. You see, they put halos around George Floyd and stuff like that. Like it's it's it's like this instinct, and even what you're seeing happen with Charlie Kirk, where you're seeing how how intuitive Catholicism is, like they want to put his image on coins and they want to they want to venerate him as as we would a Catholic saint, but they they have no category for it almost. Um, and then the but then you also have the other side of that, which is the some of the younger generation is not just going for Christianity in general, they're going for traditional forms of Christianity, right? They're like they want something transcendent, so they're they are going to orthodoxy or they're going to traditional Catholicism. And you you kind of have a hierarchy in place right now from that time period you're talking about before, the 70s and the 80s, and they're so out of sync with what's going on in the culture right now that they can't see these kids want something the culture can't offer them. Like they're all so desensitized from their stupid screens and the digital world. So they want to go find something transcendent, and the hierarchy is just trying to take that. I don't understand what their actual motivations could possibly be.

SPEAKER_02: 20:19

Well, actually, for me, the the the hierarchy is uh there's two components to it. The first is many of the people, not all of them, but many of the people in the hierarchy were the from the very generation and part of the very generation that said, you know, that rebelled against authority. They just categorically they they didn't follow liturgical laws, they didn't follow their bishops, they didn't do everything, they rejected, they were dissenting on everything. And then when they got into positions of power, now they're just dictatorial. But the point is, is that um that was the generation that did that. And then what did they do? That's what they taught the younger generation. And then now they're mystified that the younger generation is like, well, well, I don't want to listen to you then. I don't have to listen to you, even though you're the authority. I don't have to listen to you. I'm gonna go do my own thing. So they created this very problem that they actually uh that they actually had done. But the other side of it, I think too has to do with the fact that they um they they can't understand um because the the the boomer generation, which we were kind of talking about before, but the boomer generation is um their generational spirit is indocility through intemperance, and so as a result of that, they're very much mired down in this world. And so when they see a younger generation not wanting a liturgy that doesn't give them that um uh that it doesn't indulge their appetites or doesn't appeal to them or doesn't, you know, it doesn't speak to them per se. They want to just they just want to worship God or what have you, they don't quite actually understand that. And I think the other part of it is too is that then this is the third part, a third part I should say. The natural law, St. Thomas says, that the natural law commands all of the virtues. Now, that basically means that the natural law envisions and encompasses all the virtues. So one of the virtues is the virtue of justice by which we render someone their due. And the sub virtue to that is the virtue of religion in relationship to God. These kids still have an inclination to religion. This is why they're still put, this is why these people with malformed consciences are putting the halos on. But on the other hand, the people that are trying to actually truly seek the good, that's why they're actually going to something that had that will fulfill that inclination of the natural law. And what they're finding is is that what was ushered in by the generations before us who basically wanted to throw off everything that was traditional and all of that, um, they're they're um they wanted to get rid of it, but the younger kids, they never had it, they never had that fulfillment, so now they're seeking it.

SPEAKER_06: 22:53

Yeah, it's uh it's I mean, for anybody like my age and younger, I mean, I think I'm on the older end of that spectrum now, like you know, an older millennial, but there was something about being like brought up in the happy clappy um the world of novus or Catholicism that you just to get something a little more serious was such a snap into reality, right? Like um it was this feeling of man, I have been robbed of my birthright. And to finally be exposed to something like that was such a culture shock. And I I I see it as I mean, I see there's a there's a bishop in man, I forgot where it was, maybe, maybe Pittsburgh or Philadelphia, one of the bishops talking about how you know he's going to put put this whole project forth to try and get kids to come back to Mass who haven't been to Mass. And it's like you see this hunger amongst the younger generation for something spectacular and transcendent. And they just the connection, it just isn't there for them. And I I don't know. I try to, I try to um, I try to give as much charity to them as I can, but it's just bizarre to me that they don't they don't see what's they don't see that the younger generation is the reason there's so many converts to Catholicism right now, and this younger generation is coming in, is because they don't want like the the the thing that the culture offers them. They want something so like counter-cultural. And for us, countercultural is tradition, it's a it's a weird thing.

SPEAKER_02: 24:28

Yeah, well, and I think it really just boils down to is one of the reasons why that we saw mass exodus from the church is um uh the reason we saw mass exodus from the church originally is precisely because of the fact that uh people's natural inclinations for actually serving God and worshiping God were not being properly fulfilled. They just up and left. If if you're gonna present to me a liturgy or you're gonna present to me a way of living a Catholic life or a way of living a Christian life, which is just going to appeal to my emotions and make me feel good, well then that what you're telling me is that the primary principle is feeling good. Well, I can get that from watching porn or something else, yeah. And and so the kids went that direction, or a lot of them got sucked in, or it was it was kind of that period where people or or the world itself, even technology, can provide you stuff that's far more entertaining than than what's gonna be in that, and so but but that is like everything else, though. You know, once you you know, if you if you sit down and you eat an entire box of chocolate at the end of it, you're just like eh, right? Well, that's where the kids are at. They want something else that's actually going to fulfill them on an ongoing and on a deeper level rather than just making them feel good.

SPEAKER_06: 25:43

What what do you think? Because I I think a lot of people have this nostalgic view of what a trad looks like, and you know, they kind of look back to the you know, you have you have the the the trad that's been presented to to everybody, especially through like podcasting and things like that, where they have the the pipe and the suit and things like that, but there's something like uh inauthentic about that. Like, how how can we bring this on to our children and make it authentic? Like, what what do you think the trad culture should look like? Is it any different from what it looked like in the past? Because the world is very different now, right? It's not the same world it was back in the 50s and 60s before the council. So, like, I'm trying to figure out like what a future you try to try and get permission to not wear a suit. Well, that especially, but like an authentic presentation of traditional commission not to wear a dress at mask.

SPEAKER_02: 26:44

Um, okay, so here's the basic point of being a traditionalist, and this is where people and actually this is and it's we talk about traditionalism, but ultimately this is just Catholic. It basically means that we accept the principles and teachings that have been taught from the time of Christ on, developed and perfected in their understanding through the course of centuries by the saints and by the theologians and by the church and its declarations, etc. We accept all those principles and teachings from the tradition. That's what we receive. The problem with the quote greatest generation is that there was a theological idea, actually was a philosophical idea, which um actually came from Hegel, which is you know, you go from the thesis to the antithesis to the synthesis, and you can never go back to the original thesis, right? So that generation actually believed that in the passing of the tradition, it was impossible to pass on the tradition intact without modifying it through this process to the next generation, and that each generation changed the tradition and passed it on to those after them. That that flooded their mind. That's why they don't think you can ever go back. Well, the question isn't going back to living, you know, like living like the Amish or um, you know, walking around with uh grease in our hair like they did in the 50s and things of that sort. That's not what we're actually talking about. Although if you want to do that, that's fine. The point being is this is that it's it's the it's the uh it's the belief in those principles and the adherence to the tradition and the and the teachings and the principles of the tradition, and then applying them in our own concrete life. The definition of prudence is applying um the principles of right action in the concrete circumstances. And so we have to know how to apply those principles of what the church has always taught and pass it on intact without a change. That's why St. Paul says, I passed on what was given to me, right? Not me changing it, but I passed on what was given to me. And then we live that, what we accept it and we live it. And that basically means the moral principles, the spiritual principles, and all those things. And they're just going to be uh those principles are gonna be there's two kinds of principles, there's those that apply everywhere in all circumstances, like do good and avoid evil. But then there's certain principles that are applied mediating the circumstances, and it's our current living circumstances that tell us okay, this means that because I live in the modern world, then I'm gonna have to apply these principles of prudence in this way and these circumstances, and not try and apply it like they did in the 1950s, because the circumstances are different. It doesn't, and by the way, the 50s had its own sets of problems, but the point being is that it's a matter of applying the right principles, both spiritual and theological and uh moral, in our current living situation. God put us here, he wants to us to apply them, and so that's what we need to do.

SPEAKER_06: 29:45

We're we're uh we're in a time like the especially since the election of Leo, like been trying to just make sense of everything we went through the past 10 years, and then we had uh Pope Leo kind of came out with a squishy statement on. On the super situation today. And I I kind of like, especially listening to your generational spirits talk today, I kind of equate that with like boomer Catholicism, what Leo did today. Like Leo, I don't think Leo was trying to, I think he was just afraid to offend. And it kind of reminded me of like the person who's at like, don't bring politics and religion up at the dinner table because it might cause us a stir. And I that's kind of how I'm making sense of you know the past two pontificates. And I I don't see how to see things unless we are in the passion of the church right now. Like, and and I I mean like the actual passion of the church, where when you see Christ at the pillar after he scourged, you would never think that's the messiah, but that is the messiah. And like it's kind of tricky to convince people that the church being presented to us by the hierarchy is the church right now, but it is the church. Do you have an apocalyptic view of what's going on right now? Do you think we're just in kind of a type of something and then we're gonna come through this and something else to come after?

SPEAKER_02: 31:10

Well, I mean, we are going through a passion of the church in a sense, right? I mean, obviously, and right, like for example, the fact that the church is being stripped of its property, it's just like Christ was stripped. Um, you know, the fact that there was this intellectual suffering that the church actually went through, which is basically the heresy of modernism. I think there's all sorts of comparisons, not that those are necessarily the only ones, but there's, I think, comparisons. So I do think that we are going through a time that is very uh, very difficult and very rough for the church. Um, I also um I mean people disagree with me here and there, but it seems to me that our lady at La Salette already laid it out. She said, look, you're gonna go through a chastisement. And I think what we're seeing now is the spiritual precursors to that before the real physical spanking starts, right? Which is, I think, is is is coming. But um, but then it's after that that she said, and then there'll be 25 years of good harvest, and then the man of perdition arrives. So she already laid out the timeline and um at La Salette. So I think we're about to go through some very horrific things. And I also think that um the church herself is going to um continue to decline um significantly, frankly. I think it's gonna continue to decline until we're actually all spanked. And then after that, I think Our Lady will finally have the reign of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Her the graces will finally flow and people will finally, um, people will finally actually have clarity. Because it's only through grace that they're gonna have clarity. And this is the thing that I when I look at the um when I look at a lot of the people in the hierarchy and I see that they don't talk with clarity, they don't talk with conviction or authority, as they used to talk about how Christ talked with authority. Basically, what does that mean? It means somebody who actually had the right to speak on a particular topic and they did it with conviction. You just don't see that. It's all because of the fact that they don't have the grace to do so. Um, because without it, without that grace, I just don't see people doing it.

SPEAKER_04: 33:13

I got a question, Father. You mentioned the hierarchy and needed to do what they need to do. Uh, we saw very recently you also talked about Gen Z being more into the occult, and we saw recently um increase of asking witches for curses. Uh, do you think that these these curses that these witches are putting through uh would have less effect if the hierarchy did what they were supposed to do? Is there is there a correlation there?

SPEAKER_02: 33:36

Um no, not necessarily, because um the uh the efficacy of a curse is based primarily on two components. It's the same thing that determines merit in relationship to our own prayers. First, if in relationship to merit, you have to be in the state of grace. So how whole you are determines how efficacious your prayer is gonna be. And then the nature of the actual prayer that you say. Those are the two primary components uh that are gonna determine it. And it's so in case of the witches, it's how evil the person is, that is how much they're in the camp of the diabolic, knowingly. And then that's why this I've talked about this in the past, but there's three tiers of witches. There's the low-level witches, they just dabble, they're not very efficacious, and there's the middle tier, they have some kind of a success, but it's the top tier that when they do their stuff, because the witchcraft has been in their families literally for hundreds of years. These people know this stuff. Um, because I've come across a couple of them and I've come across a couple of their writings. These people know this almost the same type of material that I know as an exorcist. They know they're getting demons involved, they know how this stuff actually works. And so those people don't get involved for um curses for hire because they know that they can become subject to the curse themselves. That's why they don't get involved in it. Okay, so all that being said, I think that um in relationship to Charlie Charlie Kirk, I think the demons were involved, but I don't I'm I'm personally don't think we have the certitude, because God uh none nothing that somebody does on the side of good, even in relationship to our own prayers, that if we pray, whether God answers it or not is entirely at the do at his discretion, um even though he generally listens to us. But on the side of the evil, it's also the same thing. It's uh it's based on his permissive will of God. And so I don't think that um because it's because God determines how much influence the demons can actually have and when they can actually influence people. And so when I looked at the whole Charlie Kirk thing, I saw I saw diabolic, but as to the overall structure of the evil, not necessarily in the curse actually driving this particular individual to do a specific thing, even though I think demons could have driven him to that point. The point being is that um uh I'm not I don't think we have certitude that the curses that these witches did actually caused the problem. I think it's it could be one element, it could have been, it might have been the actual cause, but we just don't have certitude, and um I tend to kind of doubt it. And I'm one of these guys that deals with demons every day, so it's not like I don't do that stuff.

SPEAKER_06: 36:17

Do you do you think there's a correlation between the church um no longer performing Eucharistic processions and like our grand uh liturgies and things like that? And like so after the council, the church kind of stops doing those things, uh adoration kind of slows down. Do you think the church stopping those things has allowed the demonic on in the world to just kind of run like run rough shot over the world because because the church herself is no longer performing her her ritual duties like they were before?

SPEAKER_02: 36:53

Yeah, I think so. I think that's exactly the cause. And the resulting factor of that is that lay people are less holy, and so when they pray and when they're praying and doing certain things, there's just the efficacy of their prayer just isn't as strong as it used to be.

SPEAKER_06: 37:06

Yeah. Um, before we get to super chats, we're going to get to super chats. I want to ask you kind of a personal question here. Um, so Rob and I do this show uh two times a week, and um like we're trying to keep it like lighthearted and have like fun conversations and stuff, but I've gotten two fraternal corrections in the past couple of weeks. Um, one of them was from a family member, and another was from somebody I care very much about their opinion, but they knowing where the line is between humor and going too far when doing a show like this because I'm so desensitized from like part of my job is to look on the internet for stuff to talk about, and I'm constantly scrolling on Twitter and things like that. And this there's kind of like this irony poisoning in the air right now, from especially like the younger generation's humor that will, you know, we were starting our show off with a funny video, and I got had somebody reach out to me and say, uh, you know, this you went too far with this, this was an inappropriate joke, and like I don't want to turn people off that might stumble across our show for the first time, and then that's kind of what they see when we do delve into deeper things like we're having to talk about tonight. Like, I I don't how do we deal with just the desensitization and knowing where the line is? And I don't know if you kind of get I mean, I don't know it's not a problem.

SPEAKER_02: 38:31

I mean obviously something that just has to do with basic modesty. You just have to make sure the proper decorum is observed, even when you're joking. I mean, if you think jokes and playing videos that are funny can be legitimate as well. The other thing that you have to be careful of, and it's a sin against justice, which is derision, where you're deriding people through that. So, and this is something which, you know, even as an exorcist when you're dealing with demons, you have to you can't call them names because then then you start lowering yourself. You can't deride them because then you start lowering yourself to their kinds of behavior. So you just have to kind of avoid those things. So as long as it's in congruity with modesty and things of that sort, I don't think it's an issue.

SPEAKER_06: 39:08

Yeah, it's like uh, I mean, I you know, the the comment court jester at the foot of the cross was thrown at me. And uh it's like I know we're talking about serious things, but I'm trying we we wanna we wanna make sure that people don't lose their their joy of being Catholic, right? But then there is there is because a lot of a lot of the media we all consume lately, and for the past decade specifically with Francis was just so like everything was so negative. It was like, oh, this scandal happened, this scandal happened, this scandal happened. So it really is this thing where Rob and I are trying to thread this element of like having humor and not crossing that line, but also still bringing Christ to people. I mean, we I I Rob uh Rob asked me to be godfather to his son, and I went out to to um uh Minnesota this past weekend, and we got to meet a couple of people who like we're very touched by what Rob and I do. And it's it's like I know kind of what we're doing is important, but it's just it's just a it's a difficult thing to to to make sure you're still bringing the light of Christ to people, but be normal and not cross the line, but still be humorous. It's a it's a it's a tricky thing that we're trying to do here. Yeah, not trying to be overly complex.

SPEAKER_02: 40:19

Basically, what you're telling me is that in order to be online and not get yourself in trouble, you have to have a certain level of virtue, yeah. In all virtues, in all the areas, right? Because humor does play a proper role in people who are humorless. I mean, even the saints, like Saint Philip Neary said he wouldn't even consider someone for his religious order if they didn't have a sense of humor, he just kicked them out, right? So there does have to be a certain sense of humor because the because it's actually in humor that you can actually see the truth of it because um humor is based in incongruity between what we know it should be and what we've seen. And that's uh, and so it's based in the truth if it's true humor. And so this it can actually play a role. Um, and it can also lighten things up a little bit when it gets too heavy. It's just that you have to you just have to be careful that it doesn't detract from your from your gravitas, you know, from your seriousness.

SPEAKER_06: 41:10

Yeah. Um all right, Rob, let's jump to some super chats. We only got father for another 20 minutes. Before we do that, local show.

SPEAKER_08: 41:16

Before we do that, what do we want to let uh Enoch talk about his newest album?

SPEAKER_02: 41:21

You have a new album?

SPEAKER_04: 41:24

Yeah, yes, I do, Father. Actually, I uh I um I use your name on one of the first track, the intro track. Uh I'll send it to you. Is it in vain? I'll send it to you after this. No, no, of course not. Uh yeah, it's it it's on um it's on it's everywhere to be streamed. But if if if half of the people that are watching right now go on iTunes and download it, I think that'll propel me up to the top 10. We'll get back into the charts because we got to the top 20 and iTunes and the um against all these partisans. I'm one of the very few Catholics that actually hits the charts when this comes out, thanks to you guys. So yeah, if you guys want to go download it, please do. It's uh it's it's an entire apologetics album, 11 tracks.

SPEAKER_06: 42:03

I think a fair case can be made. It's a mortal sin if you guys don't download this album.

SPEAKER_08: 42:08

And there the joke maybe goes right.

SPEAKER_06: 42:11

See, I cross the point and no tappy. You're not fired, I promise. We're still gonna use tapping videos. All right, Rob, what do we got on the uh super chat line?

SPEAKER_08: 42:18

Okay, um, let's see here. Um, so someone did pay uh$19.99. They're the email that um that was sent to me here. So give me a second here.

SPEAKER_06: 42:30

Um, Rob's pulling that up. Um, what is this? Let's see, bro. Sorry I missed you in Minnesota. Nephe got baptized and was nuts with all our kids together. If I'm in New York, Minnesota again, I'll hit you up. Uh, what do we got here? Uh for father. I heard Aquinas' view on heaven is that you can't have any inordinate attachments, or else you'll need purgatory. Is doing and growing in prayer the sacraments and virtue sure means to order our attachments in a right manner.

SPEAKER_02: 42:57

Uh yes, uh, because technically speaking, the only thing that you can have any attachment to in heaven is God. Even all the and even all the other people that are in heaven and all the things that are in heaven to which we take joy in and we have delight in, it's because we see God in them. So ultimately it's it's only about God. And so if we have any attachment to any creature, um, now there's two kinds of attachments. There's uh there are orderly attachments to creatures. For example, people who are married in the beginning stages, there should be some level of attachment, unless you're perfect spiritually when you get married, which most people aren't. People go through the natural attachments, but eventually those should cede to have becoming perfectly detached so that you can actually love the person purely from charity's sake, um, rather than just a natural love. So, um, which I talk about in a couple of different places. But um, so in heaven, that's correct. In the end, even the uh the lower faculties, our emotions, but then also our wills have to have perfect rectitude. And that rectitude can come only if they these things are ordered to God in some uh they're ordered to God. And so if there's anything that is uh inordinate in relationship to it, it's time to spend time in purgatory.

SPEAKER_06: 44:14

Yeah, I think a lot of Catholics get this um this idea of as long as I stay in a state of grace, I'm good, I'll make it to purgatory and I'll deal with it there. But I don't think any of us should be striving for purgatory.

SPEAKER_02: 44:25

So yeah, no, you should be striving for heaven.

SPEAKER_06: 44:28

Yeah. Uh Rob, you got the email pulled up?

SPEAKER_08: 44:30

Yeah. So it says in the deliverance prayer book, uh, Father Ripper addressed prayers that can be prayed to remove any demonic activity that would keep family members from converting and coming to the church. He said this prayer was vital, especially if you wanted them to receive last rites. Where can these prayers be found in the deliverance prayer book?

SPEAKER_02: 44:51

Uh, the principle, well, the the one is consecration of exterior goods to the Blessed Virgin Mary. Consecrate the person, or also the uh that you want to convert or that you want to come back into the church or what have you. But then the other um prayer is just it's called the Latin form of the binding prayer, but you can just use the English translation for it. And then what you do is you just use that, um, which I think is on page 13 or thereabout or something like that. Uh, I know that the um consecration exterior goods is on page 44. But if you look at that uh that prayer um and you just put it, you know, you just say, any spirit that's keeping my father, for example, my father from um seeing a priest or from coming back into the church, I bind you in the name of Jesus, etc. And then you say the prayer. So if you start saying that on a somewhat regular basis, people have had phenomenal success.

SPEAKER_06: 45:37

Okay. Um, does one uh have to worry about spirits from the sixth commandment attached after confessing and repenting from those sins?

SPEAKER_02: 45:46

Uh okay. So there are two aspects. This is actually a really good question. Um, there are two uh aspects of sin. The one is the culpability, which is in the will. So the blame, which is in the will. And so when you go to confession, that when you okay, let's just back up and talk a little bit about sin. When you commit a sin, your will chooses the sin, which means it attaches itself or can it it um fixes itself to the evil that's actually present, right? And so it binds itself to that in the process of the choice. When you go to absolution, which literally means to dissolve the bonds of, it dissolves that bond of the blame in relationship to that attachment that your will now has to that. It doesn't mean here I'm not talking about attachments in the second you still have residual inclinations in the will. It's called malice as a result of that. But but here we're talking about it absolves the bond of the sin. Okay. That um, and if you're very penitent and that type of thing, it can also remove what's called the temporal punishment due to sin. These are the effects of the sin. Every time you commit a sin, there's a series of cascading effects in your faculties. So, for example, if you if you committed a sin against the sixth commandment, not only does your will choose it, but now you've you move the lower faculties to take delight in it. And now they have these inclinations. And this is why people struggle in relationship to those things. But then also, you if you if you like, for example, if you did certain things in relationship to the uh if that you opened up the door to the diabolic, they get their foot in the door, the confession may or may not absolve that bond that the demon actually has in relationship to you. He can still be attached to you as a result of that, be as a temporal punishment due to sin. We see this actually playing itself out. Uh, Dr. Dan Schneider's just about to come out with a phenomenally good book where he traces this through all of scripture and through the fathers of the church and how this actually plays itself out. So there's this effect of sin. So when you go to confession, in most cases, you're gonna have to work on breaking those other attachments or breaking those things in relationship to those. In other words, you have temporal punishment due to sin and you've got to make up for it. That's part of the reason why you do penance.

SPEAKER_06: 47:57

Well, you uh you before we get on the next question, you uh you gave a talk one time and you were talking about how um uh pornography and sexual impurity is something like traders really struggle with. And then Trent Horn came out with a video about uh saying how like this was the dark secret of the trad movement. And I'm like, I was so mad at him when he did that because I'm I'm saying, like, yeah, yeah, I do think that definitely is a thing in the trad movement that men are struggling with. And I think when you were talking about it, you were basically like convicting your own, right? Like talking amongst your own. And it's like we gotta make sure I worry about my own. And there was this this the way he worded it made it seem like that sin only exists in the trad movement.

SPEAKER_02: 48:44

And I'm like, well, he's obviously never heard confessions, in fact, you know, in in you know, in in having heard conf new new right conference confessions of new right people, even though I always give the old right formula, you hear new right people and old right formula. You you hear it both, but um, my point was to point out is that the the trads suffer from this, it's not something that's just isolated them, but the new right people suffer from it. The other thing is too is that trads actually confess it. That's that's what that's what I a lot of the new right people don't think it's that big of a sin, or they're even told by priests, oh, it's not a big deal, don't worry about it, right? And so they they don't even confess it.

SPEAKER_06: 49:21

Yeah, yeah, that was that was what I took away from it. I said, Well, maybe the dark secret in in in the you know in your typical parish is that confession isn't talked about enough, and maybe sin isn't talked about enough, and maybe that's the problem here that you know these things need to be discussed more. Uh, this is this is an interesting one. Why do popes make so many bad decisions when they have hundreds of thousands of masses said for them daily? Also, why did what did Christ? Really, that one is kind of obvious because we're all fallen, but I you might have a better answer. But what what what what did Christ mean by the gates of hell will not prevail? It seems like a goalpost change.

SPEAKER_02: 49:55

Um, well, theologically, when they say that the gates of hell will not prevail against it, it means that all of the essential elements of the church will always remain intact until the end. You will always have a visible hierarchy, you will always have a visible church, you will always have um uh you know a pope in each generation, you will always have um, you know, a hierarchy, you will always have the church sanctifying people in the sacraments, etc. Those things will always be present, and that's what it means when they just wait, it will not, and it also means that it will not fall into error in the sense of the Pope will never formally or infallibly define something. If he uses his infallibility, he's not gonna fall into error. So there's that element too. So that's that's basically what it means. It doesn't mean that there we're not gonna, I mean, I don't understand why people are find this situation such rocket science. Because look at look at Saint Peter. You know, Christ had to tell him, hey, you love me three times to get him to make restitution for the fact that he denied him. Um, and then you also had um uh the all the other apostles uh fled and abandoned him. You had um the uh, you know, so there it it wasn't until and this is what most people don't realize is that it wasn't until um uh Pentecost that the apostles were confirmed in grace and could didn't sin after that. So up until then, they were just and so Christ allowed these things specifically to happen. He actually even allows Peter to initially uh not so much fall into error, but not judge the truth of the situation regarding circumcision until St. Paul comes in, and then once he actually uses his office, then he makes the right decision. So everything we're seeing playing itself out now played itself out in scripture.

SPEAKER_06: 51:43

I mean, we've seen Yeah, you see it, see the see everything typologically. Um, this is an interesting one. Um, so our friend Mike Pantile uh he's got tattoos all over him, and when he was leaving mass, he goes to an FSSP parish. I think his priest pulled him aside and you know got on him, got on him for his tattoos and then decommissioned his tattoos. What what is can only an exorcist decommission a tattoo? Should people decommission their tattoos if they have them? Like, what is that?

SPEAKER_02: 52:10

What what is there anything we can yeah? Any priest can decommission a tattoo. Any priest can. Um, they can actually contact me if they want to. We're uh we're gonna probably put it out at some point, but it's basically it's a modified form of the uh reconciliation of a church that's been violated, it's a modified form of that because your body is a temple to our Lord, so it's uh it's kind of a uh um a overcoming the violation that's actually occurred. Should they actually do it? Yes, they should. I always take a lot of heat for the whole tattoo question, but the fact of the matter is is that um both as to uh historically see today, everybody's doing it, so they don't think it's an issue. And then of course you have the catechism come out and says, Well, you know, as long as it's not what if you actually look at the tradition of the church, um, you know, from up until the 50s, it was very clear that the only people who pierced and tattooed were people of ill repute. Or I mean you just didn't do that type of thing because it was considered mutilation. And again, I always get people saying, Oh, it's not mutilation, it's not it. Look at we're not talking about it's it's it's mutilation comes from the Latin mutar, which means to change, you're changing something about it. Okay, so all that being said, too. If you actually look at this thing at the microscopic level, it's pretty ugly. But anyway, the uh that all being said, they should actually decommission their tattoos. From an exorcist point of view, the primary thing that we see is that demons view a tattoo as their brand. If they were the ones that incited you to get it, it's their brand on you. So if you decommission it, it's it's it they consider it almost like theft taking something from them, and they will fight. Some of the most brutal times I've seen people suffer is when we've decommissioned tattoos.

SPEAKER_06: 53:49

What about the Jerusalem cross that people will go on will get when they went to Jerusalem on pilgrimage? Like they're during the Crusades, I think they would get them. That that's how long that tradition's been around, where they would get the Jerusalem cross on their forearm or something like that. Is that yeah?

SPEAKER_02: 54:04

There was yeah, and there's other there's other instances too, because people have actually brought them up. It it's um the fact that these particular things were not uh paid attention to or tolerated in the church doesn't necessarily mean that they were in congruity with the proper theology. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_06: 54:21

So um uh somebody's asking if it's is there value in saying the rosary in Latin from memory if I'm not fluent. I still read meditations on mysteries in English and love the prayers in Latin, but sometimes I feel more removed from from the meaning.

SPEAKER_02: 54:34

Uh yes, in the sense of um the uh I mean, obviously the principal thing that you want to have is devotion in relationship to any of those vocal prayers. So it's devotion is the primary thing. So if if you find that you're gonna be more devout saying it in English, um then you're probably it's probably gonna be more efficacious. However, objectively speaking, here we're talking objectively speaking, um, saying the um the rosary in Latin is actually gonna be more efficacious because of the fact that Latin is a sacred language.

SPEAKER_06: 55:06

I always uh kind of like if I have if I had difficulty meditating on the mysteries, because sometimes I I pray my rosary when I'm driving into work, and sometimes I can't do the best mental prayer. But for me, saying the rosary was always about having a relationship with our lady. Like that, that was always the important part of it. Even if I my mental prayer wasn't the greatest during the rosary, it was more just about having like a deep relationship with our lady and having that help me fall deeper in love with her.

SPEAKER_02: 55:36

Yeah, and there's different levels actually in relationship to the rosary, right? I mean, you can you can you can you can basically be focusing on the hail mary as you're saying it, but the idea is you're actually supposed to be um meditating on the specific mysteries, and then the hail mary that's being said in the background isn't necessarily where your focus is, and that's kind of the higher form. So I find saying the rosary in Latin actually easier to put to focus on the more the mysteries rather than English because English tends to distract me a little bit more than the Latin does. Oh, that's interesting, yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 56:05

Um, can you recommend um any uh your favorite source for people just getting into mental prayer?

SPEAKER_02: 56:12

Uh the easiest thing that you can probably do is you can actually download it online. Is there's a thing on mental prayer by St. Francis de Sales online. You can read it, it's like uh 13, 17 pages around there, depending on how you print it out. Uh, if you're looking for something more extensive, the ways of mental prayer by La Hodi that's put out by Tan.

SPEAKER_06: 56:29

Okay. Um, and what do you think about Eastern Orthodox exorcisms?

SPEAKER_02: 56:35

Uh, you mean the Orthodox? Well, okay. So there are it, it's very similar, it's a little bit different from Protestants. Okay, so Christ said, By my name you'll cast out demons, right? But he did not say, By my name you'll cast out all demons. Now, what that basically means is is that the efficacy of an exorcism is based on three things. The first is the prayer itself. What prayer are you saying? It's gonna have the prayer itself is gonna have a force of its own in relationship to it, and that's why the Protestants using Christ's name can have a certain amount of success. They don't have there's times when we would get people showing up on our doorstep that are Protestants who their Protestant ministers couldn't get the demons out of them, right?

SPEAKER_06: 57:18

And so and the original exorcist movie was based on a Lutheran who eventually had to go to a Catholic priest, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02: 57:26

The second component is um the person who actually does the exorcism. So uh the holier the priest is, the faster it's gonna actually occur as a general rule, but also um the uh the fact that he's a priest itself has a force of its own. And the one of the ways I've seen this the most marked is every time I've seen a bishop do an exorcism, it's on a completely different level than when you see a priest doing it, right? Yeah, and then the third part is the actual uh jurisdiction of the church, the authority of the church. And this is why sometimes the Protestants have to come to us. So the Eastern Orthodox, um, they wouldn't have the uh jurisdiction, they do have jurisdiction to hear confessions because um Paul VI gave it to him, which I don't think he should have. That's my own personal opinion. But he uh um but they don't have the jurisdiction to actually be doing the because they don't have um they only have material apostolic succession, not formal apostolic succession. And so as a result, they don't have um the jurisdiction passing from generation to generation. So they don't have that side of it. So I think that they have they're more efficacious than the Protestants, but um not as efficacious as the Roman or as the Catholics who are in union with Rome.

SPEAKER_06: 58:36

Um how do you charitably decline a wedding invitation to a Catholic getting married outside the church?

SPEAKER_02: 58:42

Um just tell them, look, I'm not gonna participate in your uh future fornication and sin and sourdough.

SPEAKER_06: 58:51

I've I've had I've I've had success with with like my in-laws and stuff by just saying, look, I don't make the rules of the church, but I'm a loyal son of the church. I I just I have to follow, you know, I'm I'm I'm a son under authority and I have to do what I'm told.

SPEAKER_02: 59:06

Yeah, I think so. I think that's one of the best ways. The biggest problem that you find in this area is that they can go to any priest who will say, Oh, yeah, you should go for charity safety. You know, that's where the problems always begin. Um, whereas the church has been very clear, no, you can't even have um passive participation in those. So um uh in fact, there's an article by I don't know if you've seen it, it's called Worship with Non-Catholics by Craig Allen. And he actually wrote this thing because he got sick and tired of being asked about this question, right? So um, but in there the church says, no, you can't you can't go to them. So, but as far as the excuse goes, I think it's just on a on an ad hoc basis. But other than that, in the end, I think they got to do exactly that, Anthony. I think in the end, that's what they gotta do.

SPEAKER_06: 59:48

Um, we guys, no more super chats because we got to get father out of here. Um, okay, so there's two more I want to definitely get to. This one uh does the hierarchy structure exist within siblings, older to younger siblings, or are each equal? Does it matter which? Sex of the individual, oldest son, etc.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:03

Um, according to the natural law, as it was understood um from the very beginning, you actually see this playing itself out even in scripture, is that the oldest son had uh certain rights or claim to certain rights um by the natural law. So and then it goes from it goes down the sun. So then it goes sons, and then the daughters uh um are separate from that. So it the first son is the one that always had was considered to have this. Is one of the reasons why, for example, if a woman's um father died, uh it's the oldest son, if he's of age, whose obligation it is to protect her honor and say yes or no to who that this proper suitor. So it does actually follow that according to the natural law.

SPEAKER_06: 1:00:50

Um, and then this one for sure. I wanted to ask, man, we could probably do a whole show on this. What are your thoughts on Holzhower's seven epochs of the is it seven epochs, right? Of the church, yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:59

Yeah. Um, you know an entire episode on that. Yeah, I I yeah, those, yeah. I'll I'll just I just I have well, first of all, I haven't studied as closely as I would like to to be able to speak intelligently on it. But second of all, I tend not to um follow those things too closely.

SPEAKER_06: 1:01:21

Well, what do you yeah, what do you what do you make of um of apparition chasing? Like, do you see a danger in that? Because that's also something I I I see a lot of Catholics doing where they they just they want to uh you know uh analyze every single apparition ever, and you know, and then you kind of get into this apocalyptic mindset we always see uh, you know, you studying every event. Like that is that is that curiosity that that people are dealing with there.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:51

Yeah, historically the authors always said that was a result of a um a lack of faith, right? I mean, because ultimately we already have a general sense of what's gonna happen because Christ told us, but we should also have faith that Christ thinks that there are certain things that we don't need to see these things, these supernatural these because what they're really doing is they're trying to pursue something in a supernatural, a supernatural life in some fashion, rather than just leaving the ordinary grind that a Catholic should leave in order to become holy. And so I think that that's in fact, if you if you it's what's kind of ironic is if you see a lot of the saints that had a lot of these apparitions, they didn't go around looking for them, right? They just they just wanted to live their life, and so um, but I do think that that's it's actually very problematic. I think it is rooted in curiosity a lot of it, but I think a lot of it is also just a lack of faith because they want certain they want a security or certitude in relationship to what they believe and the satisfaction they get in that certitude when they hear these things.

SPEAKER_06: 1:02:48

All right, we're gonna let you go, Father. Um, for anybody wondering, like Enoch gets us these Father Rippiger interviews, so like he we are forever in debt to him for uh introducing us to Father and convincing him to come on. Um, yeah, Father, we love when you come on, man. Everybody always loves to get get to hear from you, and you've been pretty silent for the past couple of months.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:08

So it was great to I see you making a couple I saw you do a couple of interviews I caught, especially I had a family emergency I had to tend to for quite a while, and it's starting to taper off. So now I got more time, and so you'll see me start, you'll still see me start being out there again.

SPEAKER_06: 1:03:22

If uh if you have anything uh you ever want to promote, please give us a shout. We'll always help you with anything. We appreciate you coming on. Um, we're gonna stay on for locals. We'll let you go. Enoch, you're gonna stick around, right? Sure. Okay, father, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:35

And we will want a blessing before I leave. Yes, please. Yes, please. Benedict De Omnipotentes, Patres et Phili, at Spirit Chancellor. All right, God bless you. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you.

SPEAKER_06: 1:03:47

Thank you, Father. Um, okay, we're gonna head over to locals. Um, if you guys are not local subscribers, please come over there. That's where you want us to go.

SPEAKER_08: 1:03:56

Give me give me a minute and I can get taffy's uh video locals.

SPEAKER_06: 1:04:02

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's what I kind of want to talk about over there. Like, um, we're still gonna do taffy intros for everybody that's worried we're not doing taffy intros, we're still going to. I it's just I we I think we do have to be a little cautious how we go about it because um, yeah, like I you the idea of like somebody coming in and checking out our show for the first time and coming across something like we did, like uh I you know we'll we'll we'll explain it on the other side with some of the more offensive stuff was, and then we'll get into we'll talk about Pope Leo, we'll talk about these comments Pope Leo made. Um, yeah, it looks like Trading's uh got a little life left in them, maybe now with Leo.

SPEAKER_08: 1:04:45

Do you want the um the King of the Hill or the Kevin James one? Do the Kevin James one.

SPEAKER_06: 1:04:52

The reason I didn't want to start with the Kevin James one with Father Ripper tonight is because we did the Kevin James joke the last time he was on, and I don't want it to just be the Kevin James thing every single time he comes on. It's like okay. Let me so we'll go with we'll go with the Kevin James one. If you guys uh if you guys aren't subscribed, please subscribe to locals. That's where we have all our fun. Um and uh yeah, I got I got some stuff we could talk about over there.

SPEAKER_08: 1:05:20

Okay, so it's just fun time loading the video now, so give it 15 seconds.

SPEAKER_06: 1:05:25

Um let me see what else we got. We got um oh, I forgot to get to the other questions. Oh crap. Sorry for my uh my friends that asked me to ask stuff. Um, yeah, I want to get into uh the Charlotte thing.

SPEAKER_08: 1:05:44

Um and then I wanna so when we were together this weekend, oh we have stories to tell. That's right. But walking on the steps of the cathedral, you and Nicole were about to tell us how gay Minnesota was compared to New York, but you never actually got around to that story.

SPEAKER_06: 1:06:03

Holy cow! Not even that. There was like that. We have we have stories to tell. That's right. We saw each other, there's a bunch of stuff we could talk about.

SPEAKER_08: 1:06:10

Beef tongue.

SPEAKER_06: 1:06:13

Tried beef tongue for the first time, yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:06:14

Okay, I have the video ready, so this is gonna be over to locals.

SPEAKER_06: 1:06:18

If you guys are not subscribed, you're losing out, you're missing out on the best part of the show. Let me share the locals. Uh share the locals. Pay for the Kevin James story again with a rip off. You love it and you know it. What is locals? Locals is is the after show. We do an after show. So every every if you guys are just checking us out for the first time, we do a two-hour show on Tuesday and Thursday night. We do an hour on YouTube, and then we jump over to locals for the second hour. And uh, we do a little bit of behind the scenes stuff. And wait, Kevin James is Catholic. Um, yeah, we'll get into we'll get into uh Enoch too. We'll see how how he got us our interview. And okay, you ready or what? Ready? Yeah, I'm ready. All right, let's go. We'll see you guys on the other side.

SPEAKER_00: 1:07:39

I had no idea that Kevin James was such a devout Catholic. He's known for his roles in King of Queens, Grown-Ups, and Paul Blart Molkop, and a bunch of other things. What first alerted me to Kevin James being Catholic was this picture I saw in X of him as an altar server in a traditional Latin Mass, with Father Chad Ripager serving as the priest. We've also seen photos from a 2019 Catholic retreat with Kevin James, Chad Ripager, Scott Hahn, and a whole host of other attendees, both clergy and laity.

SPEAKER_06: 1:08:13

And we'll play it on locals. He did he did tell us he was gonna be too busy today to actually so like we'll get Kevin James on, and then everybody will want to talk to us. That's how it's gonna go. Kevin James is Catholic? I just heard that. It's so crazy. Somebody just mentioned that Kevin James is Catholic, and I can't I can't get over it. It's wild. Why is you gonna tell me like Rob Schneider's Catholic too? Rob Schneider's Catholic? By the way, I couldn't be more confused myself right now.

SPEAKER_05: 1:08:58

What did you do? Why are you keeping us off stage? What's going on?

SPEAKER_07: 1:09:01

I wasn't keeping you off stage until we were switched over to locals. Oh, we're not switched over to locals yet? Have a little faith.

SPEAKER_06: 1:09:14

Um, okay. Um man, so yeah, we got to we got to hang out this weekend. That was fun. Um and uh got to got to meet a bunch of a bunch of people that uh watched the show. And uh it's a good time. My wife's a trooper, huh? Yeah, yeah. And then we deal with you.

SPEAKER_08: 1:09:37

Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_06: 1:09:38

Gonna deal with me, and then dude, we we were in the air. We we left you at like four o'clock. We didn't get home until like two in the morning. Our flight was delayed and stuff. Oh, that sucks. It was a rough, rough travel home.

SPEAKER_04: 1:09:50

Yeah, we got home about 9 30. What happened? Did you fly the JFK by show up a guardie again?

SPEAKER_06: 1:09:57

I am so bad at traveling. When I went to the CIC conference last year, that's the other thing. Michael Matt didn't say hello to us. Um, took money from my kid and just kept walking. Just kept he didn't even, I thought they were gonna come around to the other side. Like, I had money to put in the basket. He just like flipped it by and just ran away. Like, I was waiting for him to come around the other side so I could reach him. Um, my mind's all over the place. My wife's down here doing laundry. Um yeah, it was uh it was an interesting, interesting weekend. We got to uh I I'm walking. I Rob had a family thing to do Saturday, so me and my wife went to uh what what is it called? The uh Como Park Conservatory, the conservatory, and we walk in. And when I tell you, like the place was like flooded with trans people, like but the crazy like man with long hair and a dress and like combat boots, like multiple. I saw more trans people in St. Paul than I in three hours than I did in New York in three years. Like I couldn't believe how many people there were. Me and my wife were just talking about it. What's going on? I don't know if it's something in the water there, I don't know, but it's actually kind of disturbing because it's in the Midwest like that, and you would think it's like big cities and stuff, but man, St. Paul's a strange city. It's like it's desolate, like there's no people around, but it's like everywhere you see somebody, it's like a crackhead or a meth head or a trans person.

SPEAKER_08: 1:11:29

It's like there's no people around until those people no, no, Paul, and to not go to the Renaissance Fest, that would have been even worse.

SPEAKER_05: 1:11:37

It would have probably fit in better. I don't know.

SPEAKER_08: 1:11:39

No, you wouldn't have they are way more gay, even.

SPEAKER_06: 1:11:45

Um, yeah, so uh we reached out to uh Fawaz the other day. We were like, what are the chances you can get followed the replica for us again? He's like, I'll ask. He said yes right away. I was surprised by it.

SPEAKER_05: 1:11:57

Quiet tonight, yeah. Good story. Good story, guys. That was it.

SPEAKER_06: 1:12:02

That's a quiet tonight. You're killing me. Only Anthony talks. I don't know. I asked these guys questions and they don't respond.

SPEAKER_08: 1:12:11

So what's funny is you you didn't even get you weren't even in Minneapolis at all. I think Minneapolis is even worse than um St. Paul when it comes to a lot of stuff like that. And I think it I don't know. Uh Minnesota's Minnesota's definitely a little weird when it comes to that. Uh I think a lot of it is we're just so so much of the state is Norwegian or like German. And like it's that whole like passive aggressive go just go along with it thing.

SPEAKER_06: 1:12:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08: 1:12:49

Right, right. So people just go along with it, you know, they go along with everything. I mean, that's why we're uh full of so I know Margot who we got. I gotta meet Margo this weekend. Margot and her husband Christian went to the Mall of America, and Marg said she thought the whole um calling it like little Somalia thing was just kind of an exaggeration or a joke, and then saw the Mall of America and realized no, it wasn't like the Twin Cities is plump full of Somalians. Yeah, it's because we just in before the Somalians, it was like the Hmong and the Vietnamese and stuff like that. And Minnesota, we just go along with it, you know. We don't want to cause a ruckus or anything like that.

SPEAKER_06: 1:13:30

Yeah, it was in it was interesting. Well, first off, we we went to the cathedral, the cathedral is stunning, but yeah, I love it. Cathedral St. Paul is stunning, okay? And we get in there, and there's about 75 people. Maybe when I got there, it was about 50 people in line for confession.

SPEAKER_08: 1:13:47

And I'm like, I'm not gonna make you you texted me that because we were pulling up and you're like in line for confession. There's 50 people in front of me, and you know, you usually can't read emotion over text. I could see the steam come up your your ears on that text message, and I'm like, he doesn't get it, he'll he doesn't realize that it will go through that 50 people in 10 minutes.

SPEAKER_06: 1:14:08

Because if that was at my local parish, maybe 20 people would have got through. Like, I got there and I was like all the way at the back of the line, and it was long. And I just sit down and I'm like, we're gonna be here for if we even get in, dude. Those priests, there were three priests, they were pumping out confessions every three minutes. It was people were in for two to three minutes and on their way, two to three minutes and on their way, two to three minutes and on their way. It made me realize that it is the the issue is largely a priest thing, like at my parish. It's the priest keeping the people in there yapping, it's not the people. Like if a priest just you know gives his quick thing and gets you out of there, you'll be out of there in two, three minutes.

SPEAKER_08: 1:14:50

I I I like that um, and I I put a picture on on Twitter of it, but uh, so this was uh Saturday afternoon confession and adoration, um, about an hour and a half before the Saturday uh anticipatory mass, and they had armed security walking around the cathedral with you know plate carrier and and everything, and it was it was nice to see that.

SPEAKER_06: 1:15:13

So, yeah, especially after the incident that just went down, but like the to to get back to the trans thing, like that happened in Minneapolis, right? And St. Paul. Oh, it was St. Paul.

SPEAKER_08: 1:15:23

So you did not go to Minneapolis once.

SPEAKER_06: 1:15:25

No, I know. I'm saying the trans shooter was in St. Paul. Oh no, that was Minneapolis, yeah. It was Minneapolis, which is the twin cities. They're they're right across the board. Is it a river that separates them? Mississippi, yeah. Yeah, so you like you have these militant groups that exist in the Midwest like that, and it's kind of I mean, a lot of it's online, but you do look like like we had I we probably should have got into this with Ribburger a little bit more, but you you had those ICE shootings that happened, not this recent one, like months back when Trump first got elected. You had these ICE agents getting shot by snipers, and it turns out that was like this trans militant group that was doing it. Now I go to St. Paul and I'm at the conservatory, and there's these legit militant-looking trans things walking around, and it's just bizarre to see because I'm in New York City, dude. Like New York City, you would think you'd see a lot of that. You really don't. You see, like hipsters and stuff.

SPEAKER_08: 1:16:24

Minnesota's kind of always been a leftist hotbed. Like, so the um one of the one of the heads of the uh the American um communist party, like the legit communist party in America in the 50s was from a town of like a hundred people an hour for me up here, a little town called Cherry. That like the head of the American Communist Party is from there. So like Minnesota's always kind of been really weird with that.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:55

Not saying Reagan is a standard of conservatism at all, but um remember what happened in 1984. The only state that voted blue was Minnesota.

SPEAKER_08: 1:17:02

Then, well, that's because our governor was the Democratic nominee that year. Was it Mondale, right? Mondale, yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 1:17:10

Super Um, yeah. So and and it it was first off, like um even getting to like meet some of the people that watch the show and stuff. Um, so we we go to mass for the for the we go to mass first and then the baptism was after. And before mass, this guy came over and just said like some of the nicest stuff in the world and said it in front of my wife. My wife was like almost in tears. She's like, I can't believe like people actually like like love what you guys do like this, you know, because the guy said some really nice stuff. So he was like, you know, it basically like what what we're doing here is not just goofing around, like it actually means something to some people, you know. Like there's there's a there's a lot of people who don't have a lot of Catholic social life in their real life because they don't know many Catholics in their real life, so like coming and watching our show, they feel like they're just hanging out with their friends, you know? And it's like to get to meet, especially some of you that I get to interact with on Twitter all the time, like Paul Pereira, I got to meet, who I've been interacting with for years, and he introduces himself as Paul and doesn't tell me he's Paul Pereira. And I'm talking to him for like 15 minutes, just thinking he's just some guy named Paul. And then Rob's like, Can you believe that's Paul Pereira? I'm like, wait, what? Like, go and grab him. It's just like a lot of these guys I got to meet Tim Leroy, like these are people who watch the show, and this is like their only exposure to like actual Catholic conversation with their their friends, essentially, you know. So they see us and they know us, but you don't know them because they're not on screen with us all the time.

SPEAKER_08: 1:18:46

It's like right, you're not hearing their stories, you're not talking about their families. Right.

SPEAKER_06: 1:18:51

Yeah, so they come up to you and they know you, and you you like you you don't know them yet, you know. And it's it's it's interesting to get to. I always like meeting people that watch the show for that reason, just to kind of get a uh a sense of who watches us and stuff.

SPEAKER_04: 1:19:05

You know what's interesting? This is this is locals. I can say this without getting a pushback from the trading. Uh, I think there's there was a lot things. I was talking about the uh about this with somebody that you and I both know, Anthony. Um there there was definitely an organic rebranding of Trad Inc. where it's more blue color. I think you kind of led the way a little bit. You can kind of say um someone like Marshall, who's very intelligent, extremely intelligent, but down to earth. You know, when I when I met him, he was extremely down-to-earth, very generous. Just um just a hard-working dad. But more scholarly. Yeah, but but there's a sense of rebranding that organically happened. If people realize, like, listen, I could I go to the TLM, I don't have to know the Suma. I don't have to know all the Latin.

SPEAKER_08: 1:19:52

Don't have to wear a tweet.

SPEAKER_04: 1:19:56

That's what you guys gave people.

SPEAKER_06: 1:19:58

Well, that's what I was trying to get at with Rippiger a little bit, right? Like, it's I I feel like, especially when I first started consuming trad content and going to the Latin mass, like you have this impression that the movement is very stodgy, maybe, or it's like you have to you have to dress a certain way, you have to act a certain way if you want to be part of it. And I do think what we're doing here kind of like loosens that up a little bit, and like there's not uh we don't have like this purity.

SPEAKER_08: 1:20:28

There's definitely a a gatekeeping element to it, right? As far as what you should know to be a trad, what you should be where to be a trad, how you should act, how you should talk. Yeah, there's definitely an element of gatekeeping that was probably not intentional, but was definitely there.

SPEAKER_06: 1:20:43

Up I think they were trying to just present something awesome to people and show, like, you know, you you don't have to wear crocs to mask, you know what I mean? But like you you should be dressing better. Like it's just my kids wore crocs to mask. Yo, his kids had suits with crocs, it was the cutest pretty thing I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_08: 1:21:02

The black dress shoes, they got left at home, so they wore black crocs.

SPEAKER_04: 1:21:06

And it was adorable. Well, let's let's look at it this way you you you just never know where conversion conversions are gonna come from. And a lot of times you see you see Catholic Inc., you see Mike Father Mike Schmidt, and as much as we love um uh who was it, uh Scott Hahn, he brought a lot of conversions, but more of the boomers and the millennials. Yeah. Um, who I I I can't contend with with this because I think it's true. How many more young guys, Gen Z men, are being brought to the faith than Nick Fuentes? I mean, let's just call it a spade, a spade. Nick Fuentes is bringing more young men to composition than anybody else.

SPEAKER_09: 1:21:41

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_04: 1:21:42

You just never know where convergence are coming from, which is really interesting.

SPEAKER_06: 1:21:45

What's what's interesting about even the whole trad ink conversation is in some weird way, I think all those guys like us, like on both sides of it. Like the the the guys who are like putting their foot down and saying, you know, you guys are you guys are cowering and caving in on the movement. And I think also the guys who are there accusing of being trad ink also like us. So we're in a weird position where we can talk to both sides and see if maybe we could bring them together. And I think what Leo just did with this whole Supic scenario, which is so dumb because the Dick Durbin bowed out of Supic's award anyway, like minutes after the Leo soundbite dropped. So, like it was completely unnecessary. Leo could have just said nothing on it or you know, punted the question or something, and Dick Durbin dropped out of the whole thing anyway. You want to play that clip real quick for anybody that didn't see it, Rob? I just sent it to the to the messages. All right, so this is this is what Leo said, and I'm gonna give my two cents on it. They're making fun of me. Oh, where the is Frad doing movie reviews? No, mass of the ages is if Fred's doing movie reviews, we're gonna have a problem.

SPEAKER_03: 1:23:09

Just wanted to ask one thing that has become a bit of a divisive subject in the US right now, with Cardinal Supric um giving an award to um Senator Durbin. So people of faith are having a hard time with understanding this because he is pro um, or rather, he's for legalized um abortion. How would you help people of faith right now decipher that, feel about that, and how do you feel about that?

SPEAKER_01: 1:23:37

I'm not terribly familiar with this particular case. Um I think that it's very important to look at the overall work that a senator has done during, if I'm not mistaken, 40 years of service in the United States Senate. I understand the difficulty and the tensions, but I think um, as I myself have spoken in the past, it's important to look at many issues that are related to what is the teaching of the church. Someone who says I'm against abortion but says I'm in favor of the death penalty is not really pro-life. So uh someone who says that uh I'm against abortion, but I'm in agreement with the uh inhuman treatment of immigrants or in the United States, I don't know if that's pro-life. So they're very complex issues. I don't know if anyone has all the truth on them, but I would ask first and foremost that there be greater respect for one another and that we search together, both as human beings, in that case as American citizens or citizens of the state of Illinois, as well as as uh Catholics, to say we need to, you know, really look closely at all of these ethical issues and and to find the way forward as church. Church teaching on each one of those issues is very clear. Thank you. Thank you very much.

SPEAKER_06: 1:24:55

Okay, this is oh man, the the Madrads are gonna be going. I told you so. I told you so, and Tradang's gonna have to just swallow it. But for me, I mean, this is exactly what I've been saying from day one, which is Leo is the epitome of boomer Catholicism. He's just a boomer and he doesn't want to offend anybody, and he tried to tiptoe around that without offending anybody. I don't know why anybody's shocked by it. This is going to be the entire pontificate. This is just what you're going to get. You're not going to have this bold preaching of the Catholic faith from him. He's just going to be a little squishy on everything, just like he was in that last interview. This is what we have in store for us. Everybody got to stop freaking out, just relax a little bit. It's just what it is. But it has kind of breathed a little life into the trading. Like I see, I see, I guarantee you go on YouTube tomorrow and you're going to see everyone does their Poplio critique of this one. This one, we're even going to do it. We're going to post a clip of this. It's like everyone's going to do their don't say we. I am. All right. No. Oh, you're going to say we won't know who post the clips. Yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to tell Rob what to clip and put it up. But yeah, no, it wasn't just overly political. The problem with this one is way worse than just being overly political. It's because Leo actually understands American politics. You can't just write it off to a translation issue. Can't be like, oh, well, you know, Francis was from South America. He doesn't understand the American political like landscape. He he doesn't. There was a translation. No, that was in perfect English from a cardinal from Chicago who probably knows Dick Durbin. And he kind of pumped the seamless garment stuff. That's it. And it's like it is what it is. I don't think anybody should be shocked. I'm still of the position that this is just Peter denying Christ. Not like denying he's the Messiah. Just I don't know. I don't know. Like terror, terrified to just say what the Catholic Church teaches and just put Supic in his place. Like it's not too much to you. You're not crazy. We're gonna go through the whole gaslighting thing again. You're not crazy to expect the Pope of Rome to speak clearly on a moral issue as serious and demonic as abortion.

SPEAKER_08: 1:27:26

I mean, I think the problem is the Pope's got to be done with interviews. Like the the like you said, the Pope of Rome, when he speaks, it should be well thought out, well reasoned, right? Can considered from every angle instead of just off the cuff on something as important on that. Like you should, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_06: 1:27:48

Like but I'm I I'm not saying I would expect him to really to say to have a little he just want him to say the truth. Like, like, no, like the the equivocating between abortion and and capital punishment enrages me.

SPEAKER_08: 1:28:08

Right because don't you think he actually believes that?

SPEAKER_06: 1:28:11

Whether he does or not, he's the Pope of Rome at this point. He doesn't he doesn't get to throw that kind of equivocation around anymore. It's not like to equate well, I know I'm just the murder of an innocent child and the just punishment of a murderer, right?

SPEAKER_08: 1:28:25

Right, but I don't I don't think he's saying that because he's uh you you're gonna get people saying that he's saying it like you said, so he doesn't offend one side to the other. That's that's what he was doing. He was just no, but I don't I don't think so. I think he really believes that they're the same. You think he believes which is which is worse. I think he really does believe the seamless garment crap.

SPEAKER_04: 1:28:48

I know Akaloi does, and they come from the same case.

SPEAKER_06: 1:28:51

They all do all those guys do, and the thing is, like, he's one of them. So I mean, I look this this doesn't mean he's not the Pope, it doesn't mean any of that, like it's just we're in the same boat we've always been in. I don't know, you know.

SPEAKER_08: 1:29:04

Now to kind of uh concede a little to the trading side or whatever, um they still might be right insofar as the way we responded to Francis maybe shouldn't be the way we respond to Leo. Now, one could also say the way we responded to Francis was utterly ineffective, so maybe we shouldn't have responded that way then. But I mean, even if they even if this is Francis 2.0, even if he does believe all the same stuff, he is a different person, he does communicate a different way, so maybe the way we respond could be different. But if he teaches the same bull crap, then we should respond in some way, obviously.

SPEAKER_06: 1:29:50

Yeah, it's gotta be a response. What is the proper response? Right, it's messy, kids. It's a messy look. You guys are Catholic. Welcome to the most. Dysfunctional family on the planet, it's just what it is.

SPEAKER_08: 1:30:03

Our um, the way we we responded to Francis seemed to make him double down, so it was rather ineffective. Maybe, maybe Leo will fold under that sort of pressure.

SPEAKER_06: 1:30:16

I don't know. Because it seemed like the bishop and Charlotte, when he got all that pressure, he slowed back a little bit. Now he just came down and he get he did what he did in Charlotte, which I can't imagine the bishop and Charlotte moved everybody to that tiny chapel without an okay from Rome. Right. Like, I'm sorry, it's just everybody that's hoping for some loosening of the restrictions. I don't see them coming. You got a you got a new pope in that the bishop of Charlotte, Bishop Martin's, backed off back in June, and he goes, We're gonna wait until we hear something from Rome. I guarantee they all heard something from Rome. Hey, let's just you keep pushing in your restrictions, we'll just tone it down a little bit, you know. I just don't see any difference in practice, just in tone.

SPEAKER_05: 1:31:09

You know. So we're in we're in a similar state that we've been in for the past decade. It is what it is.

SPEAKER_06: 1:31:18

Uh um, somebody uh uh saying, yeah, that's the worst I've heard from him yet. But I just think this could be prevented if the Pope stopped doing MSM interview, mainstream media interviews, especially on the fly. Yeah, I mean, I thought this papacy was going to be boring, but it looks like papal airplane interviews are back on. So maybe we're gonna have some fun. This this pontificate, but man, 15 years of this, we did 10 on the Francis, and that was rough. I don't know, man. I still I'm still in the same boat where I think everyone needs to find a good community and parish and build that parish locally. If you do deal with some kind of restriction, like you are in Charlotte, you need to bring that to your bishop, and you guys need to be on your knees in front of the freaking chancery, whatever it is, the rectory where he's staying, whatever, and really making an issue. Like you guys have to act locally when stuff like this happens. Now it just happened in Brooklyn. I mean, I don't see any other way around it. I Robin is the the things they're talking about in Rome. The one thing I really thought about when I was in St. Paul this weekend, first off, the homily was phenomenal. Yeah, Apollo 2 is good. Phenomenal homily. And all I could think was the things they're talking about in Rome and on the global stage of Catholicism are so far removed from what's happening at your local parish. Like it's it's like something, it's something so totally different from your lived experience down at the parish level that it's almost like a show that they're doing, and it's nonsense, and it doesn't matter because I I mean the like having Schwarzenegger at the Vatican to talk about climate change, just absurd stuff.

SPEAKER_08: 1:33:07

It's just sorry, we're 15 years past that at this point.

SPEAKER_04: 1:33:10

Come on, it's just ridiculous. You're you're quiet tonight, Fawaz. You don't like talking about this stuff. No, I'm I don't know too much about it. I'm just learning what you guys were speaking.

SPEAKER_06: 1:33:20

Yeah, it's just uh I I mean we're I still don't think we're going to do the main show topic papal interview stuff. Like, I don't want our show to become that. Like, we'll do it over here, and right, you know, we might post a clip later, but I don't I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_08: 1:33:36

I Anthony just said lived experience. Gay Anthony confirmed.

SPEAKER_06: 1:33:43

Well, I'm saying, like, on the for these on the ground at your parish level, like, how is how is that even the it's the dude? There was only so long you could continue on pretending James Martin had his guy and Cardinal Burke had his guy. Like, what you're going to see is Leo trying to bring peace to the church, and in doing so, he's going to water things down so much that there's going to be a fracture. It's just you can't continue after 10 years of that pressure cooker under Francis with the trads like losing their crap, and then all of a sudden Leo comes in, and then all of that just dissipates. It's just not going to happen. I mean, that pressure is still there, it still seems like there's two religions coexisting in one body.

SPEAKER_08: 1:34:33

Mar Margot just posted the uh the homily from Sunday, actually. That Father was a very good homily.

SPEAKER_04: 1:34:39

It was a little long, but it was really a phenomenal homily on Sunday at our parish. Father Nolan um talked about why the reason why you why the church makes you attend mass on Sundays. About your Sunday obligation? Yeah, what like what the actual reason is. It was phenomenal. Any anything we wouldn't know? I don't know. Um you ask a normal Catholic or just a Protestant why you go to Mass or church on Sunday, they'll usually give you an answer that is even answer about themselves. Oh, I'll get something out of it, or blah blah blah. But what he actually said was the reason you go to mass on Sunday, why the church makes you go to mass on Sunday, because they're even even in the state of mortal sin, sorry, in the state of state of grace, your prayers at home, even your your rosary, they they amount to nothing because they're not tied into the very gift that God the Father accepts, which is Christ Himself, which is God Himself. So you can offer nothing to God outside of Himself that is of any worth. Um, so you go on a mass. I'm just I'm just I'm giving you like literally the Yeah, you give it the cliff notes version. Yeah, it's cliff notes, yeah. So you go the church makes you go to mass on Sunday because you cannot offer God anything of yourself that is more that is greater, that is that that satisfies justice other than more than the mass.

SPEAKER_06: 1:36:06

Yeah, go on to mass and then and then just on a practical level, like the liturgy is actually how you embody the faith. That's so that's the social. It's actually how you embody the faith, right? So when you there's a reason God gave us the commandment to keep holy the Sabbath, and that's because if you don't make that ritual part of your regular life, because we get caught up going to work during the week and stuff. If you don't make your Sunday rest about that ritual, you will. Like, there's something so important about embodying the the what it lex lexarande lex credenti is very real, like the way you pray is the way you're going to live. So if you're not doing that thing on Sunday, it's not going to take effect in your life in any way. So I think even if you're in a state of mortal sin, you still go to mass because it'll still have an effect on your life.

SPEAKER_04: 1:37:03

Yeah, because you don't you don't necessarily feel grace because it's not you know imputed to the senses that's into the soul. So you're right. Every sacrament is like that. People always talk about when I leave confession, well, I don't felt like I was uh I was forgiven. Well, it doesn't really matter how you feel.

SPEAKER_06: 1:37:19

Um I I don't I don't necessarily feel grace, but I do know when I'm in a state of mortal sin, I have like an allergy to holy things. Like I don't want to hear about God, I don't want like it's it's this the the guilt, yeah. Like the the your guilt kicks in where you can't even be in the presence of conversations about God, things like that. We we talked about this recently on the show. I mean, it's been a long time since that's happened, but if you're in a state of mortal sin, it's like you have this allergy to holy things, you don't want to be around people that talk about God, you don't want to even have any exposure to it because it just gets to your conscience so much.

SPEAKER_04: 1:37:57

It's the guilt that, yeah. Because if you go back, I mean, for even Fulton Sheen, when he was he asked this question, I think he got it wrong. I'm the biggest Sheen fan, you'll know. He's one of the reasons I came back to the faith. Uh, but I think he was wrong that he asked the question, you know, you know, the kids ask, why? How come, you know, I don't get anything out of mass? And his his response was because you don't put anything into it. And then again, that that gives it kind of it's this American consumerism thing. It's like I'm gonna go to get something out of this. Or in reality, you you you go to mass, it it's it's a total self-gift. Now, what you get out of it is is completely what God gives you, but you don't go there for that reason. You go there is because you're fulfilling religion, which is the sub uh sub virtue of justice, which is giving him his due. Yeah, you're paying a debt. I mean, all of us pay God a debt, and the only way you could pay that debt is to offer you know is to offer him himself, which satisfies justice. And that's the reason why we go to Mass Lesson. I thought that was a very beautiful humbly.

SPEAKER_06: 1:38:52

Yeah, and and and that's why like the liturgy itself matters too, right? Like the way you're presenting that gift to the God, right? 100%. Yes. Like the the way you're presenting that gift of son to the father matters. You can't just have it draped in this clown show.

SPEAKER_04: 1:39:10

Like it's you know, thank you for saying that. This idea is super important. All that matters is that you have the Eucharist and you go receive the ego. No, no, we don't we don't we don't attend mass ten minutes before it's over just to receive communion and leave because all the stuff that happens beforehand to say that it doesn't matter as long as it's the same Jesus in Nova Sorta or or the clown masses versus whatever Nova Sorda versus that's a bunch of hogwash. I don't believe it.

SPEAKER_06: 1:39:36

Yeah, no, definitely not. And and man, that that conversation is really I don't know who who convinced Catholics of that, right? It's it's such a I don't know where that apologetic came from. Where, well, it's Jesus, it's it's a valid mass, it's Jesus. It's like, okay, what does that mean? Like, I guess, yeah, all right, it's valid. Not nobody's saying it's not, and like I do think it's absolutely grace and it is efficacious to attend the Novus Ordo, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try to seek the best possible liturgy you can have access to, you know. Um but that beard Enoch could be a hermit in the Italian countryside tomorrow. Um the older I get, the more the more I feel unworthy to receive. Um Tyler.

SPEAKER_08: 1:40:31

Um if Rob's kids can wear crocs, I can too. I don't know if you look as cute as they did in their suits and crocs.

SPEAKER_05: 1:40:41

No, definitely not.

SPEAKER_08: 1:40:43

Um, you do you want to know what Iggy said as soon as we put that suit on him that morning? He looks in the mirror and he goes, I look like a bad guy.

SPEAKER_07: 1:40:53

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_06: 1:40:56

Uh yeah, we had a good time. It was uh it was just it's always good for us to get together too, right? Like, you got you know, the the the way this show started, and like you and I have consistently made sure we see each other two times a year at this point now. Like, it's crazy how people say like Twitter isn't real life, but it's very real for me and Rob. Like it's changed both of our lives in a very real sense. Um and there's also like uh I've kind of gotten into it a little bit on the show, but um I saw I saw somebody it might have been Novas Ortawash posted a thing about uh AA and like how AA is like a cult and all this stuff. And I I think like this show gave me an outlet to help me get some addictions out of my life that I was struggling with, where the the ritual of two times a week coming in here and sitting and talking, and I have to make sure my mind is in the right in the right state to be able to handle, especially handling these topics, you know. Like you're you're talking about God, you're talking about holy things, like you have to make sure that you're in a state of grace. You can't be you could you I could never do this show if I was in a state of mortal sin, you know. And I was at a point in my life where I was struggling with so many things that this show actually filled that void, and I never had to go to AA or anything. I never struggled with drinking or anything, but you know, whatever the equivalent would have been. So it's there's something there's something very real about what we've created here and how much it's affected my marriage, my home life, my everything, you know. This show makes me smoke and drink, so it helped me with addiction that caused addictions for Rob.

SPEAKER_04: 1:42:51

I met you guys through Twitter, so yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 1:42:56

Not just met through Twitter, like we met you through Twitter, then you came on our trivia show, then my cousin moved to Kentucky and recognized you from the Twitter uh from the trivia show, yeah, and now you're godfather to my cousin's kid, yeah, and you guys spend all your holidays together. You guys are essentially family down there, right? Absolutely, you got the best community here, yeah. All all because of Twitter and then this show. It's yeah, it's it's pretty pretty crazy how many connections got made through this show. Like, how many people we're friends with, how many people we get to talk to. I mean, we just have Father Ripper on. That's wild to me. How many years I was listening to Father Ripper's talks, and now I'm having conversations with him. That is crazy, pretty wild ride. We've been on, man. And the fact that, like, we're in we're involved in the conversation in a way where not enough to get Michael Matt to recognize us. The thing is, I do think I don't think he saw you know what it is. I he was he was the usher at Mazda. Yeah, he was the usher. Like, he did the collection plate and he came by quick. Like, I don't think he really saw me. And even if even if he did see us, like you know, when you don't expect to see someone, but then you see like you don't put two and two together.

SPEAKER_08: 1:44:12

That's exactly what I told you on Sunday.

SPEAKER_06: 1:44:14

Yeah, it's like you see somebody where you want to see them, and it doesn't click. You you would never expect to see Anthony Abate at St. Paul's at a Sunday mass, yeah. Yeah, so you know, it probably didn't click for him, but I do think we're in a unique spot to uh help these conversations happen because I do think guys on all sides of of the of the debate like us, which is interesting because they're all fighting with each other and we're kind of managing to stay out of it and still talk to everybody, which I don't know. We'll we'll see how it all goes. But George Farmer and uh Michael Matt is still ducking me. We'll see how that goes.

SPEAKER_05: 1:44:58

Sure about that. Oh man, that tweet.

SPEAKER_06: 1:45:04

Yeah, I was I was drunk and uh not drunk, but I was I was buzzed, and I tweeted I tweeted out George Farmer Still Ducking Me and Spellcheck changed it to the afterward.

SPEAKER_08: 1:45:15

You know what I thought in my mind when I saw that? I was like, this is Bobby's fault. Because you weren't with Bobby.

SPEAKER_06: 1:45:22

I was hanging out with Bobby and I had a couple of drinks, and I went to type George Palmer Still Ducking Me as a joke, and it came out wrong.

SPEAKER_08: 1:45:32

Um a couple, no, this will not be on Pelican Plus. We because we are not going to be on Pelican Plus, but Pelican Plus launches on October 7th, for those of you who are asking.

SPEAKER_06: 1:45:44

They launch October 7th. I am off on Columbus Day, so I will be on Catholic Unscripted for Columbus Day, and I'm thinking about getting uh an interview with Father Maudsley that Saturday before.

SPEAKER_08: 1:45:55

You were supposed to do it at a time where I could be on with it. I they couldn't.

SPEAKER_06: 1:45:59

That's why I did ask, they could, they couldn't. Um it sucks with the schedule, like with them being in England, you know. So I have the day off for for Columbus Day, so they asked me to come on with them, but I am it'll be easier when they have to escape England so they don't get put in jail.

SPEAKER_08: 1:46:16

It's not it's not that far fetched.

SPEAKER_06: 1:46:19

Um, but yeah, I'm gonna try and set up a I I'm going to try and set up a Maudsley interview for the Saturday before that. So we'll see good. Yeah, we'll see if we can get him on. My mother texted me that she watched a Father Maudsley video and she's like, I kind of see what you're saying about Zionism now. Like, oh lovely.

SPEAKER_08: 1:46:37

It's like you didn't start with the World War II narrative series, did you, Mom? Um, probably not the one to start with.

SPEAKER_06: 1:46:47

The uh yeah, the uh let's see. Uh somebody, yeah, we can't have those two priests on at the same time. Sorry, guys, it doesn't work. Uh there is tea that you're missing, Molly.

SPEAKER_05: 1:47:01

I don't know what I can share, but what? Um but which about Pelican Plus or there's Pelican Plus T. There's Father Nick's T. There's Father, there's Father Isaac T.

SPEAKER_06: 1:47:15

I actually uh so I I had a a good talk with Father Nick's. Uh, because he was the one who um I don't know if it was definitely about me, but he wrote a tweet saying um people could be court jesters that like I forgot what his actual tweet was, but it was something about like court jesters at the foot of the cross. And I'm like, that's really gotta be us. I don't know who else he would make that comment about. So I just called him. It was it was about me. I think I think a lot of people, uh, especially like under this pontificate, are they're just having a hard time like understanding what's going to happen with the future of the Trad movement. I think a comment like Leo made today is going, you know, the more things he makes like that, the more you might see some some coming together again. But I think people are just so nervous about how to move forward. I think everybody's just so nervous about it. They don't want to be the ones to to blow it. If you know, like if Leo's going to throw some breadcrumbs, they don't want to be the reason they don't get them, you know.

SPEAKER_08: 1:48:31

They don't want to be the Taylor Marshall who gets blamed for TC part two.

SPEAKER_06: 1:48:34

But that did happen to Taylor, like you can't even knock him for that. Like that literally happened where people were blaming Taylor Marshall for traditional custodas, right? Right. So you get a new pulpit, and the guy's like, uh, I don't, I don't, I don't like that's a lot of pressure. That's a lot of pressure to be under, right? Where everyone is blaming you, and all the guy did was get on and just start speaking his mind on things. I mean, that's all he was doing. He was getting on, and he's like, All right, well, you know, look at some of the craziness that's happened and go to a Latin mass. Like, that's all he did, but everybody used the Latin Mass as like a focal point and a way to like no matter how you want to look at it, we did use the Latin Mass as a way to counter signal Rome. Do you guys disagree with that? I think I think a lot of people went to the Latin Mass as a way to counter-signal Rome, and it had a lot to do with people hearing about it for the first time from Taylor.

SPEAKER_08: 1:49:34

So I think I'd like to pressure people's intention. I think it did counter-signal Rome, but I don't think that was the intention.

SPEAKER_06: 1:49:43

You know, I think the Latin Mass countersignals everything about the post-conciliate church, it it countersignals the world, is what it does, right?

SPEAKER_08: 1:49:51

Yeah, it countersignals everything about the world.

SPEAKER_06: 1:49:54

Yeah, when Rome is wedded to the world, then yeah, it's gonna specifically like you like you have to really think about what is the mo. I popped that tweet up the other day. I said, What do you think the actual motivation is that drives these bishops to restrict the Latin mass, especially because you're seeing so many young people drawn to it, like you're seeing droves of young people being led to all the crap Father Rippiger was talking about tonight, right? They're going to paganism, they're going to orthodoxy, they're going everywhere. You have this gem in the church that if you just unleashed, you could draw these young people in, and you're restricting it. It's just so insane to me. I cannot I can't attribute good motives to these men. All I see is evil, like they hate everything that mass stands for because it stands for a Catholicism that they hate. Yeah, they hate the faith of these men. I don't see, I don't see any other way to see it. I it's this isn't about unity in the church, it's that they despise uh real Catholicism. They hate, I mean, if it was just about even the man, it's like, no, he's ripping kneelers out, he won't let these people kneel, he won't like he won't let them say the freaking Saint Michael's prayer at the end of Mass.

SPEAKER_08: 1:51:14

Like, there's so many things like that it's just purposefully designed a chapel that holds a quarter of the Latin mass attendees in the diocese. It's just so nuts, all of it. Um Enoch, they have a good idea for you. Um, what if you released a rap in Latin and then put it on the Latin rap charts?

SPEAKER_04: 1:51:43

Bad bunny? Um yeah, exactly. No, the closest I got is the on the new album a track called TLM. That was a good one. Um I do see a lot of Latin words on that track.

SPEAKER_05: 1:51:56

So it'd be funny if you did an entire uh why are you guys asking me to tell you about Father Isaac?

SPEAKER_04: 1:52:03

What happened to Father Isaac? He hasn't been on a while.

SPEAKER_06: 1:52:07

Uh I I I he probably won't be on in the near future. No, I don't know. I I think he's upset with me because of the way I've been handling things, and I and I'm I wasn't I'm whatever. That's that's I haven't talked to him yet, so I'm not gonna talk to you guys about that. When I talk to him, if he's okay with me sharing some stuff, I will.

SPEAKER_04: 1:52:23

But uh didn't you suspect him having an issue with you and you called him like months ago?

SPEAKER_06: 1:52:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He he wasn't crazy about when I had Trent Horn on. Um but but I had spoken to him after that, and then I think he he I think he thinks I'm being too lighthearted about the crisis in the church, and that's not it's not my intention at all. Um, I don't know. I that's look, that's kind of what I was asking Father Rippiger about. Like, I'm I'm genuinely worried about this stuff. I don't want to be too callous about very serious things, but at the same time, like I'm not like we are I am who I am. Uh we're not gonna change the whole show around. So I'm trying to balance continuing to keep who we are, but not crossing lines. Like, I don't, I don't know. It's like you know, the opening every show, laughing the way we like. I've I've had a few people say to me, like, it feels like it's like a frat house, you know. Like, if you're not in on the frat, you don't get what's going on, and that might be preventing us from reaching more people as well. Um, I don't know. I'm uh it's not easy. First of all, uh people also have to I I don't have time to read theology books, right? I'm I'm working 16-hour days and then I come home and I gotta throw a show on, I gotta do a two-hour show two times a week. It's not easy to come up with topics to talk about, and I'm watching every other guy do it, and they're boring, and they have time to prep for these, and our show isn't boring.

SPEAKER_04: 1:53:49

What's what what would be the reason people to tune in if the if you'd given them what everybody else is giving them?

SPEAKER_06: 1:53:56

Yeah, I mean, that's that too, right? Like, we are I think we're very different from every other show out there, so it's like yeah, um I'm but there is also a a responsibility on us that like I know we're not an apostolate, I know we're not a ministry, but we're still presenting Christ.

SPEAKER_08: 1:54:16

So like on Sunday, the the the gentleman who came up to us before mass that he converted partly because of us, like yeah, yeah, and yeah, we're we're we're not here to teach people, we're not here. We don't have a ministry, we're never gonna call ourselves that. But like obviously, what we say does have an effect, yeah, sometimes for good, probably sometimes for bad.

SPEAKER_06: 1:54:41

I don't know, but it's it's more serious than we're making it, like we we we make too light of it, like oh, we're just two friends hanging out, but like it is more serious than that because sometimes we're the only Catholic content people are consuming because they don't like what other people are doing, so it's uh I don't know. I'm trying to work it out on air with you guys. It's like this is this is the struggle every Tuesday and Thursday when when you're trying to come up with what do we talk about tonight, and you don't want to just be ambulance chasers. Not that other people are, but no, I'm just talking about for us. Like I don't want to be an ambulance chaser, I don't, but I want to talk about whatever's happening in the culture. I I that's why we kind of switched after Leo was elected to discussing cultural issues, which seems to still be working. And sometimes the cultural issue is what's happening in the church, sometimes it's Charlie Kirk, something you know, whatever is happening is what we're gonna try and talk about. I'm gonna try and do it from a Catholic perspective, and we're gonna still try and keep the humor of our show. I'm not gonna change that.

SPEAKER_04: 1:55:43

I just think we gotta be a local about what you think really happened with Kirk.

SPEAKER_06: 1:55:50

Yeah, like I think Candace has gone off the deep end. Oh my gosh, Candace has gone off the deep end, like she's so all over the place. She you don't know what that girl's got. I don't know. I mean, she ruins her own credibility by just being so all over the place. It's like, you know, it first it's the Jews did it, then it's the FBI did it, then it's this one did it. It's like, I don't know what the hell that girl's got going on.

SPEAKER_05: 1:56:14

Yeah, George Palmer, you better get this broaden check. Getting out of hand.

SPEAKER_04: 1:56:18

Yeah, George, you're ducking the wrong person.

SPEAKER_06: 1:56:21

Um then um this Friday, um, my wife and my sisters and my sisters-in-law, they're all gonna go out for dinner or something. So I'm right, you don't have to jump on.

SPEAKER_08: 1:56:37

I'm gonna say, because I've you did a Monday show until today, up until his tweet, I forgot I I told um Caleb I was gonna be on with him tomorrow.

SPEAKER_06: 1:56:47

Dude, that's too much streaming for you. You're crazy.

SPEAKER_08: 1:56:53

Hope texted me because she saw the tweet about the same time I did. I'm like, I'm so sorry, Hope. I forgot.

SPEAKER_06: 1:56:59

Yeah, I I might uh I might just either jump on by myself or maybe I'll maybe I'll get Holdsworth.

SPEAKER_08: 1:57:05

Yeah, yeah, that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_06: 1:57:07

Maybe I'll get Holdsworth because I I would I would like to talk to Holdsworth and then maybe we'll do maybe me and Holdsworth will do like a half hour, 40 minutes on YouTube, and then we'll jump over to locals and let you guys jump on and ask questions with me and Holdsworth.

SPEAKER_08: 1:57:17

I'd be I'd be interested in hearing what he liked about that show the other day.

SPEAKER_06: 1:57:22

Yeah, because Brian texted me uh when we had Gaspers on, and he said, You gave me a lot to think about that episode. So it would it would be an interesting conversation. That's great. All right, so that's what we'll do. So my yeah, my wife's going out for dinner and drinks with my sisters and all my sisters-in-law. And Rob already did a show Monday. He did one tonight, he's doing one with Caleb tomorrow, and he's got to do Thursday. This Rob, you'll get burnout, man.

SPEAKER_08: 1:57:48

Uh no, that no, yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 1:57:50

I would not have scheduled the I had I had to uh tell Chris that I couldn't do his show next Monday just because, dude, it's too much. Like with all the traveling, like I did I did Detroit, then I did Pennsylvania, then your did Minnesota this this past weekend. Um my head's spinning. Like my wife's like, your bags under your eyes are getting bad. You need sleep. You have to you have to slow down a little bit. So and Taffy has a Holdsworth intro. Yes, we'll definitely use the Holdsworth intro when he comes on. I'm gonna reach out to him. All right, that's what I'll do because he's a few hours behind us. I'm gonna see if he can come on Friday night. Um, so I do have to go. I appreciate you guys. Yeah, we gotta go too. We're gonna wrap this up. Pawaz, thank you so much for getting the replica again, man. We appreciate you. And we will, yeah, we'll talk soon. All right, guys. We'll see you guys on Thursday. We don't know what we're doing yet.