Catholic EXORCIST Fr Ripperger on DEMONIC Involvement on Recent Violent Attacks

A culture that canonizes chaos will always look for a liturgy—if it’s not the Mass, it becomes the meme, the rally, or the cause. We sit down with Father Ripperger to trace how violence, ideology, and spiritual confusion so often follow the same hidden script: diabolic obsession chips away at freedom, malformed conscience flips moral polarity, and chronic crisis-management keeps everyone too dizzy to see straight. The goal of manipulation isn’t just to lie—it’s to make the truth unbelievable when it finally appears.

From there, we tackle the vacuum left when public ritual fades. What happens to a world without Eucharistic processions, adoration, and clear sacramental life? According to Fr. Ripperger, grace dries up in the public square, and ersatz sacrality rushes in—halos on ideologies, saint-like veneration of personalities, and a generation hungry for transcendence. Gen Z’s startling split—toward the occult on one side and toward traditional Christianity on the other—proves materialism can’t hold their souls. Authentic tradition isn’t nostalgia; it’s principles received intact and applied with prudence today.

We get practical, too: the difference between obsession and possession, whether curses “work,” why tattoos can function like spiritual “brands,” and how jurisdiction and holiness affect exorcisms. We share concrete tools for families—binding prayers, consecration of exterior goods, Latin vs English rosaries, and reliable guides for mental prayer. We even wrestle with humor online: how to keep levity without derision, guarding modesty and justice while refusing a joyless posture. Through it all, we hold to a sober hope: the Church may pass through a Passion, but the gates of hell still won’t prevail.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Sponsor, Setup, Guest Returns
• 3:40 Violence, Ideology, and Demonic Influence
• 6:55 Obsession vs Possession: A Pattern
• 11:45 Malformed Conscience: From Taboo to Sacred
• 18:40 Media Distrust and Certitude
• 25:20 Crisis, Control, and Diabolic Tactics
• 30:40 Infiltration, Modernism, and Church Decline
• 37:20 Gen Z Bifurcation: Occult or Tradition
• 45:10 Why Tradition Feels Transcendent Now
• 53:10 What Authentic “Trad” Means Today
• 1:00:00 Passion of the Church and Chastisement
• 1:06:40 Curses, Permission, and Limits

Transcript

SPEAKER_03: 0:27

Okay, Father Ripper returns to the morning Babylon. Um, we only have one hour with Father tonight, so we're gonna try and jump right into stuff. But Rob, you have uh you have an ad read, right? You have to do real quick.

SPEAKER_02: 0:39

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SPEAKER_03: 1:32

Um, okay, so father ripper girl. Is it ripper or ripper? I have to settle this. Uh, it's a hard G, so it's Ripper Gur. I've been saying it correctly all these years, as everybody tells me I mispronounce it. So, um, okay, so I uh Robin I wanted to get you on because we've been seeing um a lot of craziness in the culture lately, and specifically in the past like six weeks, starting with the the shooting in Minnesota, um, and what uh the shooting on the on the Catholic school and some of the imagery that came from that shooter's manifesto and the the um imagery on the on the on the guns and the bullets and stuff. And uh we were talking about how uh a lot of these um people that have been committing these things are part of these like trans anarchist groups, and so I don't know if you Rob, what are those what are those groups actually called?

SPEAKER_02: 2:30

So I mean there's there's like the Antifa sort that um that the Charlie Kirk shooter was in, like the the John Brown Guns Club, the Democrat Socialists of America, kind of your um your evolved versions of the old um communist groups, but then you also have these these more kind of satanic uh aligned accelerationist groups like the order of nine angles, and I always get it wrong, it's either 746 or 764. Um, but all these like all these sorts of groups that were so many of these violent shooters have have been in recently. Um, the the Colorado shooting that happened the same day as Charlie Kirk, the shooter there was uh in these the order of like nine uh angles group and and stuff as well, too.

SPEAKER_03: 3:20

So yeah, we were just kind of wondering if there was any kind of just because I don't I I I know everybody's gonna try to associate the Charlie Kirk shooter being like demonically possessed, and I don't think you could say that, but the kid in Minnesota in in Minneapolis, there seemed to be like when we watched those videos, that kid really did seem to have some kind of demonic possession going on. Did you catch any of those videos?

SPEAKER_04: 3:46

Uh I did a few of them. Um I think that uh okay, so let's just back up just a little bit. One of the patterns that you'll tend to see with people like this, there's there's actually two things that you see. The first is that uh demons can start working on somebody, especially like if somebody starts watching pornography or something like that, the demons can get their foot in the door and then they start chiseling away at the person through diabolic obsession. And I think that's um, you know, if you look at the guy that shot Charlie Kirk, it looks like that he got involved in certain things, and then there was this quick deviation, which is a pattern that we regularly see, not when people are in it's in addition to people being possessed, but also people being diabolically obsessed. And I'm not suggesting that he necessarily is, it's hard to know without actually sitting down and talking to him and praying over him. But what happens is the demons start picking at the person, and then they psychologically work the person into a state where when it comes time to actually kill themselves or kill somebody else, the demon doesn't have to do a whole lot of work because in fact, he doesn't want to do a whole lot of work, he wants to get you worked up so that you make the choice so that it's fully voluntary, and then you are the one that's culpable for having actually done that. Although they will sometimes drive it as well. So um it it's not it and when they get to that stage, we call it little demon big drama. You can the demons can drive it to such a point where they don't have to do a whole lot of work, they just have to go boop, and then uh then what happens is once once the person um gets uh to that state, the demon only has to do just a minor suggestion, and then phone, they'll go off and do some really bad stuff because they've worked themselves into that state or allowed themselves to get worked into that state. There's a second component that we're actually seeing with some of these guys, and you see this actually not just with Charlie Kirk's, but you see this with some of the other guys, and that is did either any of you guys ever listen to that conference I did called Malformed Consciences? No, I didn't catch that. Probably. Yeah, so basically, this is the structure of how this works. What happens is St. Thomas talks about it in the context of question uh 153, article five of the of the um of the secunda secunda of the Summa Theologia. And in there he talks about how the person starts out thinking that fornication is immoral, right? Or that certain things of impurity are immoral. But then Bessie Sue walks in and she's so beautiful. He she the guy comes and says, Okay, in this one instance, I'll do it. But then as he keeps falling over the course of time, so he goes from thinking it's immoral to actually thinking that uh you know it's actually not bad, to actually it's not it's it's actually good, and then once it becomes good, then anybody who attacks it or tells them you can't does it, they become the evil people, and so that's the progression you tend to see. Now, we saw that in our own culture, we actually saw that in our own culture in regard to fornication itself. The greatest generation was the ones that were fornicating behind the scenes, and nobody knew that we're talking too much about it. There's all sorts of indicators of that, but that's why they didn't stop the boomers from openly doing it. So the boomers said, free love, this is all great, la da da. And then uh, you know, in the 90s and after it became de rigueur or it became uh the conventional wisdom that you should live together before you ever consider even getting marriage. And so people suggest, hey, you shouldn't be doing this, okay. The same thing, that same pattern happened in relationship to stuff like homosexuality, with transgenderism, with all this stuff. And so by the time we've gotten till now, these people still have that we still have the natural inclination, even when our conscience is malformed like that or goes off like that, we still have an inclination to judge that things are right and wrong, but we end up judging the wrong things are right and the right things are wrong, and that's where that's where we're actually at in the state of things right now. So the with between the demons, uh between people's condition uh intellectual depravity, intellectual formation getting to that point, and then the demons being in the mix, that's why we're seeing this stuff. That's my take on it.

SPEAKER_03: 8:02

So, okay, so now on top of that, we just watched the whole the whole Charlie Kirk thing go down, and then a million different stories are coming out, and we're seeing so many of us are watching content, and this one's saying this doesn't add up, and you you start getting all these conspiracy theories coming out, and uh for me specifically, like I am in a I am in a uh such a state of cynicism at this point from everything they did to us from COVID up until now, and then every single event, I'm just skeptical of every single narrative the government put forth to us. Like, what should someone like me who has no because it seems to me like this is actually the point of what they're doing, like this fog of war, fifth generational warfare thing where they just want to leave people in this perpetual state of untrust, like distrust of every authority figure.

SPEAKER_02: 8:57

It basically like saps your will to act, is what it seems, because you don't know what's real, what's not real, and it it just seems so like diabolic in nature that that um, for instance, like after the Charlie Kirk, there seemed to be a a will to action of some sort to to you know somehow correct the issues that that are going on in our society yet. But within now two, two and a half weeks, that that will seems to have evaporated because of all the disinfort disinformation, misinformation stuff out there. No one knows what to believe or what to trust.

SPEAKER_04: 9:34

Yeah, I mean there's two components to it. The first is is that when that when we come up against an uh an institution or an agency in the government or or even in the news media where there's this chronic lying. We they're caught over and over again. Appetitively, it gets to the point where we get burned, and so we're just we get cynical, which is actually more repetitive than intellectual. The intellectual component should be doing what we would always do intellectually, is because it is possible that they actually tell something that's true. I actually talk about this in my book Shock Talk, where there was this one story where this woman jumps off a bridge and kills herself because of this, and yet when you the place I saw it was in the National Inquirer, and it was absolutely 100% true. Now, the National Inquirer is completely unreliable, right? So it but what it does is it conditions people to intellectually stop analyzing things in relationship to what they can know uh as truth and the degrees of certitude. In other words, when the like when the news media tells us something, you know, like and I took this basic approach to what's going on in Ukraine and uh Russian war. Um, I mean, the more I read and more I'm getting a better sense of it. But in the end, the two agencies that have been habitually lying to us are the ones telling us what's going on over there. Okay, so that tells me there's a war probably going on, there's probably stuff going on, who's winning and who's not, and who's all that. I don't have certitude because the the sources I can't trust. Now, that doesn't mean that um uh and because the sources themselves are unreliable. So, what does this actually mean? It means that um what they're really trying to do is get people to the point where they're following this distrust to such a degree that it it that intellectually, even when the truth is is then finally told to them, they don't believe it. And so, and then and then from there they can continue to manipulate people because as long as you have intellectual clarity, so what is it, what is our approach to it? It has to be well, truth is the adequation of intellect with thing, and that and so we have to always try and go back to what's the reality of this situation. If I don't have immediate connection to the reality, then whatever and whatever is the medium of that information determines the degree of certitude that I have. So, okay, there might be something going on, but in the end I don't know. I'll, you know, if it's something that's important, I'll take invest investigate and look and get to a certain degree, but I'll try and achieve the knowledge to it to the degree that I can. Um, and that means that I also don't necessarily dismiss every single source, I just have to verify everything, is what it really boils down to.

SPEAKER_01: 12:13

Can I ask a question, Father?

SPEAKER_04: 12:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 12:16

Um, I believe it was it was Rahmanuel who coined the phrase, never let a crisis go to waste. Of course, we all know at the very end where everything is headed with the Antichrist, um, you know, all events off obviously point to one end um throughout world history. Uh don't let uh anything go to waste. How much of that do you think the enemy plans a lot of the the trauma yet that then comes out with the solution? And how is that connected to the demons do that as well in our in our intellect? I'm sort of asking what the correlation between the two.

SPEAKER_04: 12:55

Oh, yeah, they do. The demons do this all the time. In fact, it's a diabolic tactic. In fact, it was it was it was basically the demons that taught it to the communists and taught it to the uh, I mean, not necessarily by actual divination, but by suggestion, and even to Sololinsky, where you create the problem and then you step in as if you're the solution to the problem. And the the thing is, is that part of that is that you see this where it's um uh, and this is something which I started noticing the pattern with Obama was the same pattern that I actually saw in cases of possession, where it's just one bomb after another, and you never get you once you start to get to the point where you think you're gonna recover from this and get a semblance of normalcy, they drop the next bomb and it just keeps so it's constantly keeping you um off kilter, and you can't really get any semblance of normalcy. And then from there, then they can step in and say, See, if you would just do what we tell you, then this would all stop, right? And so that's that it comes from the diabolic, but that's just the that's what it tells us is that we're we're living in the middle of a communist playbook, literally, right now, as this stuff just keeps happening.

SPEAKER_02: 14:02

When we see similar things like that happen in the church, I mean, does that tell us that those same forces are at work in the church as they are in politics?

SPEAKER_04: 14:16

Well, I mean, if the if the sources that have been uh if the sources are actually accurate, yeah, we do know that these these same types of things have been going on in the church actually um since the uh this the 30s, 40s, and 50s. I mean, they've been actually going on. There is a, you know, if you actually look at what happened in the 60s and 70s, that was um in the church. Um, I think for me that the situation in the church is a much more complex thing. Um, there's very good evidence, uh, at least of Bella Dodd, who gave congressional testimonies to be believed, is that the communists infiltrated the church. The Freemasons had been openly talking about infiltrating the church. And then on top of that, you had the moral collapse in the 30s, 40s, and 50s. And this is why in 1960, the Congregation for Religious um puts out a letter, Institute Religious Orum, saying stop ordaining the homosexuals and pedophiles. So that had already infiltrated. So now what we have is in the church, it seems to me, is that um it's a much it's more complex, but you still see those same dynamics that are actually happening. It's the same, it's the same, it's the same playbook. I I also gave a conference if if people want to listen to where I talk about what we're seeing in the world always is predated as happening in the church 10 to 20 years before that. It's already been happening in the church, and so what we're seeing in the world has already been happening in the church, and so as a result of that, that's why the graces aren't uh flowing to the world, and that's why we're that we see the specific things. In fact, I show that the specific problems in the church result in those exact same specific problems happening in the world.

SPEAKER_03: 16:05

I went back and listened to your uh generational spirits conference today, and I I was listening to you you basically started the lost generation, and you talk about how it all started with like this effeminacy that kind of crept in, where um the earlier generations would suffer but never talk about it, and then as you got on, then you'd start getting uh the later generations would then nonstop be complaining about it. And by the time you get to the millennials, it's narcissism that's crept in. And this this talk you gave like seven years ago. Um, and now that we've had a little bit of time to see Gen Z play out, do you have any other insights about Gen Z? I know I know you made a a very, very accurate prediction towards the end of that. And I listening to it this morning, it was like seven years ago. I was like, wow, that kind of came to fruition, didn't it?

SPEAKER_04: 17:02

Yeah, the prediction I said is is that the um the the sixth generation, which is actually from the lost generation, the sixth generation, which is Gen Z, would actually be involved in the occult. So um what we saw, what we're seeing now among that generation is a bifurcation of that generation, a pretty serious bifurcation. So that you see people in that generation, uh there's a percentage of them that are that are actually involved in the occult. In fact, even the Satanists who have said that their recruiting efforts in that generation is like uh it's they have like a 15-fold increase in the number of people coming in from that generation than they did in the past, something to that effect. But then the um, but then but then the other part of that is is people realizing, okay, wait a minute, uh, this is all evil. I mean, because if people act according to natural virtue, they see this evil stuff happening, they're like, that's not right. And then so then we're seeing um, which I didn't really necessarily see, um, which is because I just saw that given way the generations were declining, that uh the occult activity was going to be the part, they're gonna be pagans, basically. And then um actually worshiping demons, etc., which some which percent which a large percentage of them are, and then the other percentage though is then now converting to uh converting to Christianity or trying to live a Catholic, a Catholic, or a Christian faith, and so that bifurcation is something I didn't see, but I did see the the first part of the occult activity.

SPEAKER_03: 18:30

It's like the it's it's basically like religion was inevitable, and they tried to they tried to push this materialist worldview for so long, and now we're actually seeing the ends of that, which there is no such thing as just a materialist worldview, ration like the the enlightenment is falling apart, and you're seeing the the younger generation is going for like this some kind of spirituality, whether that's these pagan things, which is why they're always trying to like um make like trans sacred. You see, they put halos around George Floyd and stuff like that. Like it's it's it's like this instinct, and even what you're seeing happen with Charlie Kirk, where you're seeing how how intuitive Catholicism is, like they want to put his image on coins and they want to they want to venerate him as as we would a Catholic saint, but they they have no category for it almost. Um, and then the but then you also have the other side of that, which is the some of the younger generation is not just going for Christianity in general, they're going for traditional forms of Christianity, right? They're like they want something transcendent, so they're they are going to orthodoxy or they're going to traditional Catholicism, and you you kind of have a hierarchy in place right now from that time period you're talking about before, the 70s and the 80s, and they're so out of sync with what's going on in the culture right now that they can't see these kids want something the culture can't offer them. Like they're all so desensitized from their stupid screens and the digital world, so they want to go find something transcendent, and the hierarchy is just trying to take that. I don't understand what their actual motivations could possibly be.

SPEAKER_04: 20:19

Well, actually, for me, the the the hierarchy is uh there's two components to it. The first is many of the people, not all of them, but many of the people in the hierarchy were the from the very generation and part of the very generation that said, you know, that rebelled against authority. They just categorically they they didn't follow liturgical laws, they didn't follow their bishops, they didn't do everything, they rejected, they were dissenting on everything. And then when they got into positions of power, now they're just dictatorial. But the point is that um that was the generation that did that. And then what did they do? That's what they taught the younger generation, and then now they're mystified that the younger generation is like, well, well, I don't want to listen to you then. I don't have to listen to you, even though you're the authority. I don't have to listen to you. I'm gonna go do my own thing. So they created this very problem that they actually uh that they actually had done. But the other side of it, I think too has to do with the fact that they um they they can't understand um because the the the boomer generation, which we were kind of talking about before, but the boomer generation is um their generational spirit is indocility through intemperance, and so as a result of that, they're very much mired down in this world. And so when they see a younger generation not wanting a liturgy that doesn't give them that um uh that it doesn't indulge their appetites or doesn't appeal to them or doesn't, you know, it doesn't speak to them per se. They want to just they just want to worship God or what have you, they don't quite actually understand that. And I think the other part of it is too is that then this is the third part, uh, a third part I should say. The natural law, St. Thomas says, that the natural law commands all of the virtues. Now, that basically means that the natural law envisions and encompasses all the virtues. So one of the virtues is the virtue of justice by which we render someone their due. And the sub virtue to that is the virtue of religion in relationship to God. These kids still have an inclination to religion. This is why they're still put, this is why these people with malformed consciences are putting the halos on. But on the other hand, the people that are trying to actually truly seek the good, that's why they're actually going to something that had that will fulfill that inclination of the natural law. And what they're finding is is that what was ushered in by the generations before us who basically wanted to throw off everything that was traditional and all of that, um, they're they're um they wanted to get rid of it, but the younger kids, they never had it, they never had that fulfillment, so now they're seeking it.

SPEAKER_03: 22:53

Yeah, it's uh it's I mean, for anybody like my age and younger, I mean, I think I'm on the older end of that spectrum now, like you know, an older millennial, but there was something about being like brought up in the happy clappy um the world of novosordo catholicism that you just to get something a little more serious was such a snap into reality, right? Like um it was this feeling of man, I have been robbed of my birthright, and to finally be exposed to something like that was such a culture shock. And I I I see it as I mean, I see there's a there's a bishop in man, I forgot where it was, maybe, maybe Pittsburgh or Philadelphia, one of the bishops talking about how you know he's going to put put this whole project forth to try and get kids to come back to mass who haven't been to mass. And it's like you see this hunger amongst the younger generation for something spectacular and transcendent. And they just the connection, it just isn't there for them. And I I don't know. I try to, I try to um, I try to give as much charity to them as I can, but it's just bizarre to me that they don't they don't see what's they don't see that the younger generation is the reason there's so many converts to Catholicism right now, and this younger generation is coming in, is because they don't want like the the the thing that the culture offers them. They want something so like counter-cultural. And for us, countercultural is tradition, it's a it's a weird thing.

SPEAKER_04: 24:28

Yeah, well, and I think it really just boils down to is one of the reasons why that we saw mass exodus from the church is um uh the reason we saw mass exodus from the church originally is precisely because of the fact that uh people's natural inclinations for actually serving God and worshiping God were not being properly fulfilled. They just up and left. If you're gonna present to me a liturgy or you're gonna present to me a way of living a Catholic life or a way of living a Christian life, which is just going to appeal to my emotions and make me feel good, well, then that what you're telling me is that the primary principle is feeling good. Well, I can get that from watching porn or something else, yeah. And and so the kids went that direction, or a lot of them got sucked in, or it was it was kind of that period where people or or the world itself, even technology, can provide you stuff that's far more entertaining than than what's gonna be in that, and so but but that is like everything else, though. You know, once you you know, if you if you sit down and you eat an entire box of chocolate at the end of it, you're just like eh, right? Well, that's where the kids are at. They want something else that's actually going to fulfill them on an ongoing and on a deeper level rather than just making them feel good.

SPEAKER_03: 25:43

What what do you think? Because I I think a lot of people have this nostalgic view of what a trad looks like, and you know, they kind of look back to the you know, you have you have the the the trad that's been presented to to everybody, especially through like podcasting and things like that, where they have the the pipe and the suit and things like that, but there's something like uh inauthentic about that. Like, how how can we bring this on to our children and make it authentic? Like, what what do you think the trad culture should look like? Is it any different from what it looked like in the past? Because the world is very different now, right? It's not the same world it was back in the 50s and 60s before the council. So, like, I'm trying to figure out like what a future permission to not wear a suit.

SPEAKER_04: 26:34

Well, that especially, but like an authentic presentation of traditional tradition not to wear a dress at mask. Um, okay, so here's the basic point of being a traditionalist, and this is where people and actually, this is and it should we talk about traditionalism, but ultimately this is just Catholic. It basically means that we accept the principles and teachings that have been taught from the time of Christ on, developed, and perfected in their understanding through the course of centuries by the saints and by the theologians and by the church and its declarations, etc. We accept all those principles and teachings from the tradition. That's what we receive. The problem with the quote greatest generation is that there was a theological idea, actually was a philosophical idea, which um actually came from Hegel, which is you know, you go from the thesis to the antithesis to the synthesis, and you can never go back to the original thesis, right? So that generation actually believed that in the passing of the tradition, it was impossible to pass on the tradition intact without modifying it through this process to the next generation, and that each generation changed the tradition and passed it on to those after them. That that flooded their mind. That's why they don't think you can ever go back. Well, the question isn't going back to living, you know, like living like the Amish or um, you know, walking around with uh grease in our hair like they did in the 50s and things of that sort. That's not what we're actually talking about. Although, if you want to do that, that's fine. The point being is this is that it's it's the it's the uh it's the belief in those principles and the adherence to the tradition and the and the teachings and the principles of the tradition, and then applying them in our own concrete life. The definition of prudence is applying um the principles of right action in the concrete circumstances, and so we have to know how to apply those principles of what the church has always taught and pass it on intact without a change. That's why St. Paul says, I passed on what was given to me, right? Not me changing it, but I passed on what was given to me. And then we live that, what we accept it and we live it. And that basically means the moral principles, the spiritual principles, and all those things. And they're just going to be uh those principles are gonna be there's two kinds of principles, there's those that apply everywhere in all circumstances, like do good and avoid evil. But then there's certain principles that are applied mediating the circumstances, and it's our current living circumstances that tell us okay, this means that because I live in the modern world, then I'm gonna have to apply these principles of prudence in this way and these circumstances, and not try and apply it like they did in the 1950s, because the circumstances are different. It doesn't, and by the way, the 50s had its own sets of problems, but the point being is that it's a matter of applying the right principles, both spiritual and theological and uh moral, in our current living situation. God put us here, he wants to us to apply them, and so that's what we need to do.

SPEAKER_03: 29:45

We're we're uh we're in a time like the especially since the election of Leo, like been trying to just make sense of everything we went through the past 10 years, and then we had uh Pope Leo kind of came out with a squishy statement on. On the Supage situation today. And I I kind of like, especially listening to your generational spirits talk today, I kind of equate that with like boomer Catholicism, what Leo did today. Like Leo, I don't think Leo was trying to, I think he was just afraid to offend. And it kind of reminded me of like the person who's at like, don't bring politics and religion up at the dinner table because it might cause us a stir. And I that's kind of how I'm making sense of you know the past two pontificates. And I I don't see how to see things unless we are in the passion of the church right now. Like, and and I I mean like the actual passion of the church, where when you see Christ at the pillar after he scourged, you would never think that's the messiah, but that is the messiah. And like it's kind of tricky to convince people that the church being presented to us by the hierarchy is the church right now, but it is the church. Do you have an apocalyptic view of what's going on right now? Do you think we're just in kind of a type of something and then we're gonna come through this and something else to come after?

SPEAKER_04: 31:10

Well, I mean, we are going through a passion of the church in a sense, right? I mean, obviously, and right, like for example, the fact that the church is being stripped of its property, it's just like Christ was stripped. Um, you know, the fact that there was this intellectual suffering that the church actually went through, which is basically the heresy of modernism. I think there's all sorts of comparisons, not that those are necessarily the only ones, but there's, I think, comparisons. So I do think that we are going through a time that is very uh, very difficult and very rough for the church. Um, I also um I mean people disagree with me here and there, but it seems to me that our lady at La Salette already laid it out. She said, look, you're gonna go through a chastisement. And I think what we're seeing now is the spiritual precursors to that, before the real physical spanking starts, right? Which is, I think, is is is coming. But um, but then it's after that that she said, and then there'll be 25 years of good harvest, and then the man of perdition arrives. So she already laid out the timeline and uh at La Salette. So I think we're about to go through some very horrific things. And I also think that um the church herself is going to um continue to decline um significantly, frankly. I think it's gonna continue to decline until we're actually all spanked. And then after that, I think Our Lady will finally have the reign of the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Her the graces will finally flow and people will finally um, people will finally actually have clarity. Because it's only through grace that they're gonna have clarity. And this is the thing that I when I look at the um when I look at a lot of the people in the hierarchy and I see that they don't talk with clarity, they don't talk with conviction or authority, as they used to talk about how Christ talked with authority. Basically, what does that mean? It means somebody who actually had the right to speak on a particular topic and they did it with conviction. You just don't see that. It's all because of the fact that they don't have the grace to do so. Um, because without it, without that grace, I just don't see people doing it.

SPEAKER_01: 33:13

I got a question, Father. You mentioned the hierarchy and needed to do what they need to do. Uh, we saw very recently you also talked about Gen Z being more into the occult, and we saw recently um increase of asking witches for curses. Uh, do you think that these these curses that these witches are putting through uh would have less effect if the hierarchy did what they were supposed to do? Is there is there a correlation there?

SPEAKER_04: 33:36

Um no, not necessarily, because um the uh the efficacy of a curse is based primarily on two components. It's the same thing that determines merit in relationship to our own prayers. First, if in relationship to merit, you have to be in the state of grace. So how whole you are determines how efficacious your prayer is gonna be. And then the nature of the actual prayer that you say. Those are the two primary components uh that are gonna determine it. And it's so in the case of the witches, it's how evil the person is, that is how much they're in the camp of the diabolic, knowingly. And then that's why this I've talked about this in the past, but there's three tiers of witches. There's the low-level witches, they just dabble, they're not very efficacious, and there's the middle tier, they have some kind of a success, but it's the top tier that when they do their stuff, because the witchcraft has been in their families literally for hundreds of years. These people know this stuff. Um, because I've come across a couple of them and I've come across a couple of their writings. These people know this almost the same type of material that I know as an exorcist. They know they're getting demons involved, they know how this stuff actually works, and so those people don't get involved for um curses for hire because they know that they can become subject to the curse themselves. That's why they don't get involved in it. Okay, so all that being said, I think that um in relationship to Charles Charlie Kirk, I think the demons were involved, but I don't I'm I'm personally don't think we have the certitude, because God uh none nothing that somebody does on the side of good, even in relationship to our own prayers, that if we pray, whether God answers it or not is entirely at the do at his discretion, um, even though he generally listens to us. But on the side of the evil, it's also the same thing. It's uh it's based on his permissive will of God. And so I don't think that um because it's because God determines how much influence the demons can actually have and when they can actually influence people. And so when I looked at the whole Charlie Kirk thing, I saw I saw diabolic, but as to the overall structure of the evil, not necessarily in the curse actually driving this particular individual to do a specific thing, even though I think demons could have driven him to that point. The point being is that um uh I'm not I don't think we have certitude that the curses that these witches did actually caused the problem. I think it's it could be one element, it could have been, it might have been the actual cause, but we just don't have certitude, and um I tend to kind of doubt it. And I'm one of these guys that deals with demons every day, so it's not like I don't do that stuff.

SPEAKER_03: 36:17

Do you do you think there's a correlation between the church um no longer performing Eucharistic processions and like our grand uh liturgies and things like that? And like so after the council, the church kind of stops doing those things, uh adoration kind of slows down. Do you think the church stopping those things has allowed the demonic on in the world to just kind of run like run rough shot over the world because because the church herself is no longer performing her her ritual duties like they were before?

SPEAKER_04: 36:53

Yeah, I think so. I think that's exactly the cause. And the resulting factor of that is that lay people are less holy, and so when they pray and when they're praying and doing certain things, there's just the efficacy of their prayer just isn't as strong as it used to be.

SPEAKER_03: 37:06

Yeah. Um, before we get to super chats, we're going to get to super chats. I want to ask you kind of a personal question here. Um, so Rob and I do this show uh two times a week, and um like we're trying to keep it like lighthearted and have like fun conversations and stuff, but I've gotten two fraternal corrections in the past couple of weeks. Um, one of them was from a family member, and another was from somebody I care very much about their opinion, but they knowing where the line is between humor and going too far when doing a show like this because I'm so desensitized from like part of my job is to look on the internet for stuff to talk about, and I'm constantly scrolling on Twitter and things like that. And this there's kind of like this irony poisoning in the air right now, from especially like the younger generation's humor that will, you know, we were starting our show off with a funny video, and I got had somebody reach out to me and say, uh, you know, this you went too far with this, this was an inappropriate joke, and like I don't want to turn people off that might stumble across our show for the first time, and then that's kind of what they see when we do delve into deeper things like we're having to talk about tonight. Like, I I don't how do we deal with just the desensitization and knowing where the line is? And I don't know if you kind of get, I mean, I don't it's not a podcast question.

SPEAKER_04: 38:31

Obviously, something that just has to do with basic modesty. You just have to make sure the proper decorum is observed, even when you're joking. I mean, if you think jokes and playing videos that are funny can be legitimate as well. The other thing that you have to be careful of, and it's a sin against justice, which is derision, where you're deriding people through that. So, and this is something which, you know, even as an exorcist when you're dealing with demons, you have to you can't call them names because then then you start lowering yourself. You can't deride them because then you start lowering yourself to their kinds of behavior. So you just have to kind of avoid those things. So as long as it's in congruity with modesty and things of that sort, I don't think it's an issue.

SPEAKER_03: 39:08

Yeah, it's like uh, I mean, I you know, the the comment court gesture at the foot of the cross was thrown at me. And uh it's like I know we're talking about serious things, but I'm trying we we wanna we wanna make sure that people don't lose their their joy of being Catholic, right? But then there is there is because a lot of a lot of the media we all consume lately, and for the past decade specifically with Francis was just so like everything was so negative. It was like, oh, this scandal happened, this scandal happened, this scandal happened. So it really is this thing where Rob and I are trying to thread this element of like having humor and not crossing that line, but also still bringing Christ to people. I mean, we I I Rob uh Rob asked me to be godfather to his son, and I went out to to um uh Minnesota this past weekend, and we got to meet a couple of people who like we're very touched by what Rob and I do. And it's it's like I know kind of what we're doing is important, but it's just it's just a it's a difficult thing to to to make sure you're still bringing the light of Christ to people, but be normal and not cross the line, but still be humorous. It's it's a it's a tricky thing that we're trying to do here.

SPEAKER_04: 40:17

Yeah, not trying to be overly basically what you're telling me is is that in order to be online and not get yourself in trouble, you have to have a certain level of virtue, yeah. In all virtues, in all the areas, right? Because humor does play a proper role in people who are humorless. I mean, even the saints, like Saint Philip Neary said he wouldn't even consider someone for his religious order if they didn't have a sense of humor, he just kicked them out, right? So there does have to be a certain sense of humor because the because it's actually in humor that you can actually see the truth of it because um humor is based in incongruity between what we know it should be and what we've seen, and that's uh and so it's based in the truth if it's true humor, and so this it can actually play a role, um, and it can also lighten things up a little bit when it gets too heavy. It's just that you have to you you just have to be careful that it doesn't detract from your from your gravitas, you know, from your seriousness.

SPEAKER_03: 41:10

Yeah. Um all right, Rob, let's jump to some super chats. We only got Father for another 20 minutes. Before we do that, local show.

SPEAKER_02: 41:16

Before we do that, what do we want to let uh Ian Ok talk about his newest album?

SPEAKER_04: 41:21

You have a new album?

SPEAKER_01: 41:24

Yeah, yes, I do, Father. Actually, I uh I um I use your name on one of the first track, the intro track. Uh I'll send it to you. Is it in vain? I'll send it to you after this. No, no, of course not. Uh yeah, it's it it's on um it's on it's everywhere to be streamed. But if if if half of the people that are watching right now go on iTunes and download it, I think that'll propel me up to the top 10. We'll get back into the charts because we got to the top 20 and iTunes and the um against all these partisans. I'm one of the very few Catholics that actually hits the charts when this comes out, thanks to you guys. So yeah, if you guys want to go download it, please do. It's uh it's it's an entire apologetics album, 11 tracks. I think a fair case can be made.

SPEAKER_03: 42:04

It's a mortal thing if you guys don't download this album.

SPEAKER_02: 42:08

And there the joke maybe goes right.

SPEAKER_03: 42:12

No tappy, you're not fired, I promise. We're still gonna use tapping videos. All right, Rob, what do we got on the uh super chat line?

SPEAKER_02: 42:18

Okay, um, let's see here. Um, so someone did pay uh$19.99. They're the email that um that was sent to me here. So give me a second here.

SPEAKER_03: 42:30

Um, Rob's pulling that up. Um, what is this? Let's see, bro. Sorry I missed you. Minnesota nephew got baptized and was nuts with all our kids together. If I'm in New York, Minnesota again, I'll hit you up. Uh, what do we got here? Uh for Father. I heard Aquinas' view on heaven is that you can't have any inordinate attachments, or else you'll need purgatory. Is doing and growing in prayer, the sacraments and virtue sure means to order our attachments in a right manner.

SPEAKER_04: 42:57

Uh yes, uh, because technically speaking, the only thing that you can have any attachment to in heaven is God. Even all the and even all the other people that are in heaven and all the things that are in heaven to which we take joy in and we have delight in, it's because we see God in them. So ultimately it's it's only about God. And so if we have any attachment to any creature, um, now there's two kinds of attachments. There's uh there are orderly attachments to creatures. For example, people who are married in the beginning stages, there should be some level of attachment, unless you're perfect spiritually when you get married, which most people aren't. People go through the natural attachments, but eventually those should cede to have becoming perfectly detached so that you can actually love the person purely from charity's sake, um, rather than just a natural love. So, um, which I talk about in a couple of different places. But um, so in heaven, that's correct. In the end, even the uh the lower faculties, our emotions, but then also our wills have to have perfect rectitude. And that rectitude can come only if they these things are ordered to God in some uh they're ordered to God. And so if there's anything that is uh inordinate in relationship to it, it's time to spend time in purgatory.

SPEAKER_03: 44:14

Yeah, I think a lot of Catholics get this um this idea of as long as I stay in a state of grace, I'm good, I'll make it to purgatory and I'll deal with it there. But I don't think any of us should be striving for purgatory.

SPEAKER_04: 44:25

So yeah, no, you should be striving for heaven.

SPEAKER_03: 44:28

Yeah. Uh Rob, you got the email pulled up?

SPEAKER_02: 44:30

Yeah. So it says in the deliverance prayer book, uh, Father Ripper addressed prayers that can be prayed to remove any demonic activity that would keep family members from converting and come into the church. He said this prayer was vital, especially if you wanted them to receive last rites. Where can these prayers be found in the deliverance prayer book?

SPEAKER_04: 44:51

Uh, the principle, well, there's the one is consecration of exterior goods to the Blessed Virgin Mary. Consecrate the person, or also the uh that you want to convert or that you want to come back into the church or what have you. But then the other um prayer is just it's called the Latin form of the binding prayer, but you can just use the English translation for it. And then what you do is you just use that, um, which I think is on page 13 or thereabout or something like that. Uh, I know that the um consecration of exterior goods is on page 44. But if you look at that uh that prayer um and you just put it, you know, you just say, any spirit that's keeping my father, for example, my father from um seeing a priest or from coming back into the church, I bind you in the name of Jesus, etc. And then you say the prayer. So if you start saying that on a somewhat regular basis, people have had phenomenal success.

SPEAKER_03: 45:37

Okay. Um, does one uh have to worry about spirits from the sixth commandment attached after confessing and repenting from those sins?

SPEAKER_04: 45:46

Uh okay. So there are two aspects. This is actually a really good question. Um, there are two uh aspects of sin. The one is the culpability, which is in the will. So the blame, which is in the will. And so when you go to confession, that when you let's just back up and talk a little bit about sin. When you commit a sin, your will chooses the sin, which means it attaches itself or can it it um fixes itself to the evil that's actually present, right? And so it binds itself to that in the process of the choice. When you go to absolution, which literally means to dissolve the bonds of, it dissolves that bond of the blame in relationship to that attachment that your will now has to that. It doesn't mean here I'm not talking about attachments in the second you still have residual inclinations in the will. It's called malice as a result of that. But but here we're talking about it absolves the bond of the sin. Okay. That um, and if you're very penitent and that type of thing, it can also remove what's called the temporal punishment due to sin. These are the effects of the sin. Every time you commit a sin, there's a series of cascading effects in your faculties. So, for example, if you if you committed a sin against the sixth commandment, not only does your will choose it, but now you've you move the lower faculties to take delight in it, and now they have these inclinations, and this is why people struggle in relationship to those things. But then also, you if you if you like, for example, if you did certain things in relationship to the uh if that you opened up the door to the diabolic, they get their foot in the door, the confession may or may not absolve that bond that the demon actually has in relationship to you. He can still be attached to you as a result of that, be as a temporal punishment due to sin. We see this actually playing itself out. Uh, Dr. Dan Schneider's just about to come out with a phenomenally good book where he traces this through all of scripture and through the fathers of the church and how this actually plays itself out. So there's this effect of sin. So when you go to confession, in most cases, you're gonna have to work on breaking those other attachments or breaking those things in relationship to those. In other words, you have temporal punishment due to sin and you've got to make up for it. That's part of the reason why you do penance.

SPEAKER_03: 47:57

Well, you uh, you before we get on the next question, you uh you gave a talk one time and you were talking about how um uh pornography and sexual impurity is something like traders really struggle with. And then Trent Horn came out with a video about uh saying how like this was the dark secret of the trad movement. And I'm like, I was so mad at him when he did that because I'm I'm saying, like, yeah, yeah, I do think that definitely is a thing in the trad movement that men are struggling with. And I think when you were talking about it, you were basically like convicting your own, right? Like talking amongst your own, and it's like we gotta make sure I worry about my own. And there was this this the way he worded it made it seem like that sin only exists in the trad movement.

SPEAKER_04: 48:44

And I'm like, well, he's obviously never heard confessions, in fact, you know, in in you know, in in having heard conf new new right conference confessions of new right people, even though I always give the old right formula, you hear new right people and old right formula. You you hear it both, but um, my point was to point out is that the the trads suffer from this, it's not something that's just isolated them, but the new right people suffer from it. The other thing is too is that trads actually confess it. That's that's what that's what I a lot of the new right people don't think it's that big of a sin, or they're even told by priests, oh, it's not a big deal, don't worry about it, right? And so they they don't even confess it.

SPEAKER_03: 49:21

Yeah, yeah, that was that was what I took away from it. I said, Well, maybe the dark secret in in in the you know in your typical parish is that confession isn't talked about enough, and maybe sin isn't talked about enough, and maybe that's the problem here that you know these things need to be discussed more. Uh, this is this is an interesting one. Why do popes make so many bad decisions when they have hundreds of thousands of masses said for them daily? Also, why did what did Christ? Really, that one is kind of obvious because we're all fallen, but I you might have a better answer. But what what what what did Christ mean by the gates of hell will not prevail? It seems like a goalpost change.

SPEAKER_04: 49:55

Um, well, theologically, when they say that the gates of hell will not prevail against it, it means that all of the essential elements of the church will always remain intact until the end. You will always have a visible hierarchy, you will always have a visible church, you will always have um uh you know a pope in each generation, you will always have um, you know, a hierarchy, you will always have the church sanctifying people in the sacraments, etc. Those things will always be present, and that's what it means when they just wait, it will not, and it also means that it will not fall into error in the sense of the Pope will never formally or infallibly define something. If he uses his infallibility, he's not gonna fall into error. So there's that element too. So that's that's basically what it means. It doesn't mean that there we're not gonna, I mean, I don't understand why people are so find this situation such rocket science. Because look at look at Saint Peter. You know, Christ had to tell him, hey, you love me three times to get him to make restitution for the fact that he denied him. Um, and then you also had um uh the all the other apostles uh fled and abandoned him. You had um the uh, you know, so there they it wasn't until and this is what most people don't realize is that it wasn't until um uh Pentecost that the apostles were confirmed in grace and could didn't sin after that. So up until then, they were just and so Christ allowed these things specifically to happen. He actually even allows Peter to initially uh not so much fall into error but not judge the truth of the situation regarding circumcision until St. Paul comes in, and then once he actually uses his office, then he makes the right decision. So everything we're seeing playing itself out now played itself out in scripture.

SPEAKER_03: 51:43

I mean, we've seen Yeah, you see it, see the see everything typologically. Um, this is an interesting one. Um, so our friend Mike Pantile uh he's got tattoos all over him, and when he was leaving mass, he goes to an FSSP parish. I think his priest pulled him aside and you know got on him, got on him for his tattoos and then decommissioned his tattoos. What what is can only an exorcist decommission a tattoo? Should people decommission their tattoos if they have them? Like, what is that?

SPEAKER_04: 52:10

What what is there anything we can yeah? Any priest can decommission a tattoo. Any priest can. Um, they can actually contact me if they want to. We're uh we're gonna probably put it out at some point, but it's basically it's a modified form of the uh reconciliation of a church that's been violated, it's a modified form of that because your body is a temple to our Lord, so it's uh it's kind of a uh um a overcoming the violation that's actually occurred. Should they actually do it? Yes, they should. I always take a lot of heat for the whole tattoo question, but the fact of the matter is is that um both as to uh historically see today, everybody's doing it, so they don't think it's an issue. And then of course you have the catechism come out and says, Well, you know, as long as it's not what if you actually look at the tradition of the church, um, you know, from up until the 50s, it was very clear that the only people who pierced and tattooed were people of ill repute. Or I mean you just didn't do that type of thing because it was considered mutilation. And again, I always get people saying, Oh, it's not mutilation, it's not it. Look at we're not talking about it's it's it's mutilation comes from the mutar, which means to change, you're changing something about it. Okay, so all that being said, too. If you actually look at this thing at the microscopic level, it's pretty ugly. But anyway, the uh that all being said, they should actually decommission their tattoos from an exorcist point of view. The primary thing that we see is that demons view a tattoo as their brand. If they were the ones that incited you to get it, it's their brand on you. So if you decommission it, it's it's it they consider it almost like theft taking something from them, and they will fight. Some of the most brutal times I've seen people suffer is when we've decommissioned tattoos.

SPEAKER_03: 53:49

What about the Jerusalem cross that people will go on will get when they went to Jerusalem on pilgrimage? Like they're during the Crusades, I think they would get them. That that's how long that tradition's been around, where they would get the Jerusalem cross on their forearm or something like that. Is that yeah?

SPEAKER_04: 54:04

There was yeah, and there's other there's other instances too, because people have actually brought them up. It it's um the fact that these particular things were not uh paid attention to or tolerated in the church doesn't necessarily mean that they were in congruity with the proper theology. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03: 54:21

So um uh somebody's asking if it's is there value in saying the rosary in Latin from memory if I'm not fluent. I still read meditations on mysteries in English and love the prayers in Latin, but sometimes I feel more removed from the meaning.

SPEAKER_04: 54:34

Uh yes, in the sense of um the uh I mean, obviously the principal thing that you want to have is devotion in relationship to any of those vocal prayers. So it's devotion is the primary thing. So if if you find that you're gonna be more devout saying it in English, um then you're probably it's probably gonna be more efficacious. However, objectively speaking, here we're talking objectively speaking, um, saying the um the rosary in Latin is actually gonna be more efficacious because of the fact that Latin is a sacred language.

SPEAKER_03: 55:06

I always uh kind of like if I have if I had difficulty meditating on the mysteries, because sometimes I I pray my rosary when I'm driving into work, and sometimes I can't do the best mental prayer. But for me, saying the rosary was always about having a relationship with our lady. Like that, that was always the important part of it. Even if I my mental prayer wasn't the greatest during the rosary, it was more just about having like a deep relationship with our lady and having that help me fall deeper in love with her.

SPEAKER_04: 55:36

Yeah, and there's different levels actually in relationship to the rosary, right? I mean, you can you can you can you can basically be focusing on the Hail Mary as you're saying it, but the idea is you're actually supposed to be um meditating on the specific mysteries, and then the Hail Mary that's being said in the background isn't necessarily where your focus is, and that's kind of the higher form. So I find saying the rosary in Latin actually easier to put to focus on the more the mysteries rather than English because English tends to distract me a little bit more than the Latin does. Oh, that's interesting, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 56:05

Um, can you recommend um any uh your favorite source for people just getting into mental prayer?

SPEAKER_04: 56:12

Uh the easiest thing that you can probably do is you can actually download it online. Is there's a thing on mental prayer by St. Francis de Sales online. You can read it, it's like uh 13, 17 pages around there, depending on how you print it out. Uh, if you're looking for something more extensive, the ways of mental prayer by La Hodi that's put out by Tan.

SPEAKER_03: 56:29

Okay. Um, and what do you think about Eastern Orthodox exorcisms? Uh, you mean the Orthodox?

SPEAKER_04: 56:38

Well, okay. So there are it, it's very similar, it's a little bit different from Protestants. Okay, so Christ said, By my name you'll cast out demons, right? But he did not say, By my name you'll cast out all demons. Now, what that basically means is is that the efficacy of an exorcism is based on three things. The first is the prayer itself, what prayer are you saying? It's gonna have the prayer itself is gonna have a force of its own in relationship to it, and that's why the Protestants using Christ's name can have a certain amount of success. They don't have there's times when we would get people showing up on our doorstep that are Protestants who their Protestant ministers couldn't get the demons out of them, right?

SPEAKER_03: 57:18

And so and the original exorcist movie was based on a Lutheran who eventually had to go to a Catholic priest, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04: 57:26

The second component is um the person who actually does the exorcism. So uh the holier the priest is, the faster it's gonna actually occur as a general rule, but also um the uh the fact that he's a priest itself has a force of its own. And the one of the ways I've seen this the most marked is every time I've seen a bishop do an exorcism, it's on a completely different level than when you see a priest doing it, right? Yeah, and then the third part is the actual uh jurisdiction of the church, the authority of the church. And this is why sometimes the Protestants have to come to us. So the Eastern Orthodox, um, they wouldn't have the uh jurisdiction, they do have jurisdiction to hear confessions because um Paul VI gave it to him, which I don't think he should have. That's my own personal opinion. But he uh um but they don't have the jurisdiction to actually be doing the because they don't have um they only have material apostolic succession, not formal apostolic succession. And so as a result, they don't have um the jurisdiction passing from generation to generation, so they don't have that side of it. So I think that they have they're more efficacious than the Protestants, but um not as efficacious as the Roman or as the Catholics who are in union with Rome.

SPEAKER_03: 58:36

Um how do you charitably decline a wedding invitation to a Catholic getting married outside the church?

SPEAKER_04: 58:42

Um just tell them, look, I'm not gonna participate in your uh future fornication and sin and sort of.

SPEAKER_03: 58:52

I've had success with with like my in-laws and stuff by just saying, look, I don't make the rules of the church, but I'm a loyal son of the church. I I just I have to follow, you know, I'm I'm I'm a son under authority and I have to do what I'm told.

SPEAKER_04: 59:06

Yeah, I think so. I think that's one of the best ways. The biggest problem that you find in this area is they can go to any priest who will say, Oh, yeah, you should go for charity sake. You know, that's where the problems always begin. Um, whereas the church has been very clear, no, you can't even have um passive participation in those. So um uh in fact, there's an article by I don't know if you've seen it, it's called Worship with Non-Catholics by Craig Allen. And he actually wrote this thing because he got sick and tired of being asked about this question, right? So um, but in there the church says, No, you can't you can't go to them. So, but as far as the excuse goes, I think it's just on a on an ad hoc basis. But other than that, in the end, I think they got to do exactly that, Anthony. I think in the end, that's what they gotta do.

SPEAKER_03: 59:48

Um, we guys, no more super chats because we got to get father out of here. Um, okay, so there's two more I want to definitely get to. This one uh does the hierarchy structure exist within siblings, older to younger siblings, or are each equal? Does it matter which? Sex of the individual, oldest son, etc.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:03

Um, according to the natural law, as it was understood um from the very beginning, you actually see this playing itself out even in scripture, is that the oldest son had uh certain rights or claim to certain rights um by the natural law. So and then it goes from it goes down the sun. So then it goes sons, and then the daughters uh um are separate from that. So it the first son is the one that always had was considered to have this. Is one of the reasons why, for example, if a woman's um father died, uh it's the oldest son, if he's of age, whose obligation it is to protect her honor and say yes or no to who that this proper suitor. So it does actually follow that according to the natural law.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:50

Um, and then this one for sure. I wanted to ask, man, we could probably do a whole show on this. What are your thoughts on Holzhower's seven epochs of the is it seven epochs, right? Of the church, yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:59

Yeah. Um, you know an entire episode on that. Yeah, I I yeah, those, yeah. I'll I'll just I just I have well, first of all, I haven't studied as closely as I would like to to be able to speak intelligently on it. But second of all, I tend not to um follow those things too closely.

SPEAKER_03: 1:01:21

Well, what do you yeah, what do you what do you make of um of apparition chasing? Like, do you see a danger in that? Because that's also something I I I see a lot of Catholics doing where they they just they want to uh you know uh analyze every single apparition ever, and you know, and then you kind of get into this apocalyptic mindset we always see uh, you know, you studying every event. Like that is that is that curiosity that that people are dealing with there.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:51

Yeah, historically the authors always said that was a result of a um a lack of faith, right? I mean, because ultimately we already have a general sense of what's gonna happen because Christ told us, but we should also have faith that Christ thinks that there are certain things that we don't need to see these things, these supernatural these because what they're really doing is they're trying to pursue something in a supernatural, supernatural life in some fashion, rather than just leaving the ordinary grind that a Catholic should leave in order to become holy. And so I think that that's in fact, if you if you it's what's kind of ironic is if you see a lot of the saints that had a lot of these apparitions, they didn't go around looking for them, right? They just they just wanted to live their life, and so um, but I do think that that's it's actually very problematic. I think it is rooted in curiosity a lot of it, but I think a lot of it is also just a lack of faith because they want certain they want a security or certitude in relationship to what they believe and the satisfaction they get in that certitude when they hear these things.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:48

All right, we're gonna let you go, Father. Um, for anybody wondering, like Enoch gets us these Father Rippiger interviews, so like he we are forever in debt to him for uh introducing us to Father and convincing him to come on. Um, yeah, Father, we love when you come on, man. Everybody always loves to get to hear from you, and you've been pretty silent for the past couple of months.

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:08

So it was great to I see you making a couple, I saw you do a couple of interviews I caught, especially I had a family emergency I had to tend to for quite a while, and it's starting to taper off. So now I got more time, and so you'll see me start, you'll still see me start being out there again.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:22

If uh if you have anything uh you ever want to promote, please give us a shout. We'll always help you with anything. We appreciate you coming on. Um, we're gonna stay on for locals. We'll let you go. Enoch, you're gonna stick around, right? Sure. Okay, father, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:35

And we will want a blessing before I leave. Yes, please. Yes, please. Benedict De Omnipotentis, Patres et Phili, at Spirit Chancellor Superfo, Sitman at Semper. Amen. All right, God bless you. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you, Father.

SPEAKER_03: 1:03:48

Um, okay, we're gonna head over to locals. Um, if you guys are not local subscribers, please come over there.

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:55

That's where you want us to give me give me a minute, I can get taffy's uh you guys want to play taffy locals, yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:03

So that's what I kind of want to talk about over there. Like, um we're still gonna do taffy intros for everybody that's worried we're not doing taffy intros, we're still going to. I it's just I we I think we do have to be a little cautious how we go about it because um yeah, like I you the idea of like somebody coming in and checking out our show for the first time and coming across something like we did, like uh I you know we'll we'll we'll explain it on the other side with some of the more offensive stuff was, and then we'll get into we'll talk about Pope Leo, we'll talk about these comments Pope Leo made. Um, yeah, it looks like Trading's uh got a little life left in them, maybe now with Leo.

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:45

Do you want the um the King of the Hill or the Kevin James one?

SPEAKER_03: 1:04:51

Do the Kevin James one. The reason I didn't want to start with the Kevin James one with Father Ripper tonight is because we did the Kevin James joke the last time he was on, and I don't want it to just be the Kevin James thing every single time he comes on. It's like okay. Let me we'll go with the Kevin James one. If you guys uh if you guys aren't subscribed, please subscribe to locals. That's where we have all our fun. Um and uh yeah, I got I got some stuff we could talk about over there.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:20

Okay, so it was just fun time loading the video now, so give it 15 seconds.

SPEAKER_03: 1:05:25

Um let me see what else we got. We got um oh, I forgot to get to the other questions. Oh crap. Sorry for my uh for my friends that asked me to ask stuff. Um, yeah, I want to get into uh the Charlotte thing.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:44

Um and then I wanna so when we were together this weekend, oh we have stories to tell. That's right. But but walking on the steps of the cathedral, you and Nicole were about to tell us how gay Minnesota was compared to New York, but you never actually got around to that story.

SPEAKER_03: 1:06:03

Holy cow, not even that. There was like that. We have we have stories to tell. That's right. We saw each other, there's a bunch of stuff we could talk about. Beef tongue. Tried beef tongue for the first time, yeah. Okay, I have the video ready, so this is gonna be over to locals. If you guys are not subscribed, you're losing out, you're missing out on the best part of the show. Let me share the locals. Uh share the locals here real quick. Pay for the Kevin James story again with a rip off. You love it and you know it. What is locals? Locals is is the after show. We do an after show. So every every if you guys are just checking us out for the first time, we do a two-hour show on Tuesday and Thursday night. We do an hour on YouTube, and then we jump over to locals for the second hour. And uh, we do a little bit of behind the scenes stuff. And wait, Kevin James is Catholic. Um, yeah, we'll get into we'll get into uh Enoch too. We'll see how how he got us our interview. And okay, you ready or what? Ready? Yeah, I'm ready. All right, let's go. We'll see you guys on the other side.

SPEAKER_00: 1:07:47

What first alerted me to Kevin James being Catholic was this picture I saw in X of him as an altar server in a traditional Latin Mass, with Father Chad Ripager serving as the priest. We've also seen photos from a 2019 Catholic retreat with Kevin James, Chad Ripager, Scott Hahn, and a whole host of other attendees, both clergy and laity.

SPEAKER_03: 1:08:07

I gotta say the Tappy intro this week wasn't the greatest, and I didn't make him redo it, and we'll play it on locals. He did he did tell us he was gonna be too busy today to actually so like we'll get Kevin James on, and then everybody will want to talk to us. That's how it's gonna go. Kevin James is Catholic? I just heard that. It's so crazy. Somebody just mentioned that Kevin James is Catholic, and I can't I can't get over it. It's wild. Why are you gonna tell me like Rob Schneider's Catholic too or something? Rob Schneider's Catholic? By the way, I couldn't be more confused myself right now.