Is Candace Owens helping the discourse?

The assassination of Charlie Kirk has shattered America's political landscape, leaving many wondering how to process the tragedy and what comes next. As our nation grapples with this shocking act of violence, the most revealing aspect isn't just who pulled the trigger—it's how half the country responded.

While grief and outrage have united many conservatives, disturbing celebrations from certain corners of the political left expose the dangerous division at America's core. Can a nation survive when political opponents see each other not just as wrong, but as enemies deserving elimination? This question looms over every aspect of this tragedy.

The fog of conflicting narratives exemplifies what military strategists call "fifth generation warfare"—a battle for information that creates such confusion that citizens become paralyzed, unable to determine what's true. "You don't know what to believe, so you sit there and don't act," as one host explains. "You don't unite with the people you should unite with. You don't fight against the people you should fight against." This information chaos serves those who benefit from a fractured, inactive populace.

Equally concerning is how some conservative figures have responded by adopting progressive frameworks they once opposed. When ex-Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi declared "There's free speech and then there's hate speech," she undermined long-standing conservative principles—the same principles that protected religious liberty in cases like the famous wedding cake controversy. This inconsistency suggests a troubling opportunism that could backfire dramatically when political winds shift.

As Catholics and people of faith navigate this tragedy, we face profound questions about balancing free expression with moral imperatives. While absolute free speech may not align with traditional Catholic teaching, defining boundaries requires wisdom to avoid partisan traps that ultimately harm everyone.

Chapters

• 0:00 Opening Commentary on Kirk Tragedy
• 2:42 Discussing Media Response and Narratives
• 7:38 Candace Owens' Livestream Reactions
• 15:05 The Question of Conspiracy Theories
• 23:15 Fifth Generation Warfare Explained
• 31:19 Public Figures' Responses to Tragedy
• 41:52 Free Speech vs Hate Speech Debate
• 48:57 Wrapping Up and Locals Teaser

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:10

Because IQ is largely genetic and because it is closely tied to violent crime, mandating the sterilization of those with IQs under 93 would likely drop violent crimes to 10% of current rate, no more than two generations from now.

Speaker 2: 0:29

Thank you, it's like the fourth, fourth crusade all over again he never drops the ball man like he just. He never misses that kid, he is just so good so he sends it to me late last night. He's like I don't have anything for tomorrow, but I made this a couple days ago and maybe you guys can use it. I'm like you made the most genius thing a couple days that kid does not miss.

Speaker 3: 1:42

He's amazing. I actually gave him a homework assignment. I posted the clip of the Simpsons clip of the Protestant heaven and Catholic heaven and I said I know it's a cartoon, but if you can somehow get Charlie Kirk in Catholic heaven, do you have any idea, bro? I think the Protestants are losing their mind over candace saying that charlie was praying the rosary losing.

Speaker 2: 2:08

I think it might be a little too soon to play jokes with that yeah, I guess.

Speaker 3: 2:13

So yeah, it's poor taste. All right, we'll give it a, we'll give it a little bit, but give it, I mean. I mean, we all know charlie kirk was praying the rosary. I mean, it's a wrap, he was catholic, and if he wasn't catholic before, he is now he is now now he is now, so I don't know. I'm calling it a win. Yeah, we've had some, some interesting side conversations, you and I, so I'm watching the fiasco caused by Candace, right.

Speaker 2: 2:41

She's good at that, man dude.

Speaker 3: 2:43

she had two hundred 258 000 live viewers on youtube before like what wait? What do we? What do we? Have 200 if we're lucky, it's been rough.

Speaker 3: 2:57

It's been rough lately 230 live viewers and she has 258 000 live viewers. Man, that girl, it's such an interesting. Um. Well, okay, so, uh, uh. Mrs c says it's too soon for candace to talk about it at all. I don't know, man, when, when some something's close to your heart like this because she was friends with charlie um, and there's some mystery surrounding some of the circumstances, like I don't know how, I mean especially her, she doesn't know how to not, you know, it's, it's I. I just don't think she, she, I don't think she could. There are stereotypes there. Yeah, well, I mean, um, it's, it's funny, because my wife doesn't watch podcasts and stuff.

Speaker 2: 3:47

Adrian, are you sure? You sure it wasn't more like 240,000-ish?

Speaker 3: 3:51

Oh boy, I'm making those jokes already. My wife doesn't watch, like podcasts and stuff. And I come home yesterday and she's got Candace on and she's watching Candace and it's like all right, she's not watching Lila, that's a win, right I?

Speaker 2: 4:10

mean her not watching Lila is a win. Her watching Candace is maybe not a win.

Speaker 3: 4:18

No, well, I think you and I are going to have a different perspective on this. And so, man, my, my because my wife's an artist and she mainly sees, like what artists are posting on their Instagram and stuff, right, and they're all. She's basically like I don't like, she's devastated about what happened to Charlie. And then she's like I don't like, she's devastated about what happened to Charlie, and then she's like I don't understand what's wrong with people.

Speaker 3: 4:48

I'm seeing people on Instagram saying things like why are people so focused on Charlie Kirk when children are dying in Gaza? And like, like things like that. And I'm like, I'm like, like, first of all, like plenty of people are very focused on what's going on in gaza, like I don't, you know this isn't? It's such a weird thing to say. It's like, well, because the guy was a very prominent figure and the and the imagery that came from that event was so traumatic for the country and that's why people are talking about like, like the leftist mind is so bizarre, the way they justify things and try to try to you know, whatever. So, um, yeah, well, she somehow figured out the passcode to get on. I don't know, I tried to lock her out, but, um, one, two, three four wasn't that difficult, no, it wasn't that tricky.

Speaker 3: 5:42

Um, so yeah, so she, she is interesting because so she, she's, she's. She doesn't watch podcasts, right, but then every once in a while she'll just go on youtube and whatever comes on, comes on and because, like she subscribed to us, like they'll give her catholic stuff and then they'll give her candace, owens and she'll, she'll see like candace and milo on together and then she'll see a nick fuentes clip and she'll see Candace and Milo on together and then she'll see a Nick Fuentes clip. And she doesn't understand why Milo and Nick don't like each other and Candace and Nick don't like each other. She doesn't know anything that's going on.

Speaker 2: 6:16

We could just take this from a stereotype perspective with those three, and it explains it pretty well.

Speaker 3: 6:23

It kind of stinks because I would, uh, I think, well, I don't think we'll have a shot at getting milo now because he's going to go back on tour and he's going to do his college campus thing, but I think I would give, uh, I think, I think we would get a very good interview out of milo. But I know, like the way the factions are divided right now, you do that and then you piss off these people. It's just so bizarre how people are so caught into their tribes that you can't just have an interesting conversation with somebody without it setting off a whole other brigade of people being furious that you talk to that person but it would be nice to kind of talk to all of them as people not really involved with any of them.

Speaker 3: 7:08

Yeah, so OK. So the Candace thing, ok. So you had messaged how did this conversation start, where it was like, do you want to nurse the nurse and doctor? It started with the nurse and doctor. It started with the nurse and doctor thing, right. But um, then I I sent you, I sent you the let's let's play the clip I sent you of the, of the, of the newscaster. So okay, we're gonna give you guys a little context here. So I, rob and I are in a group chat with a couple of guys and I saw this clip and I said I I think this girl, well, you said I'm so jaded that, yeah, I said I'm so jaded that I think this girl is just being an opportunist and that this isn't like an authentic thing.

Speaker 3: 8:00

But I didn't tweet it because I, because of the nurse thing, like I'm like, oh man, I like I don't like women who are desperate for attention at all like it. Just something about it just like infuriates me. So I don't like women full stop, yes, but especially attention seeking women, right? So when the nurse thing happened, I just I don't know, I saw that. What so the the nurse story is the nurse, uh, her overheard a doctor, say something about charlie kirk? Like not caring about charlie kirk or something?

Speaker 3: 8:34

and she went on her facebook or whatever to be fair to her, it was in front of other doctors and patient in a patient and she reported it to management first, okay, and then, when they did nothing, then she went to, then she went on facebook, right, the instagram that she also posed pictures of her bikinis so when I, when I saw that, I'm like, yeah, I hate the surgeon, the surgeon should be fired, but I hate this woman too, I just, I just I wanted, I wanted the surgeon fired for what he said and I wanted her fired for public indecency like that was my mindset, I'm like, I'm like this thing looks like an only fans ad, like that's how it looks and I was just disgusted.

Speaker 3: 9:18

But it was so close to the incident that even you had to say something publicly. So I'm like, all right, that was a bad take. Like it's not. You know, it's a bad take, okay. So I had a bad take. So the next one that came into my head was this one and I'm like I better not tweet this.

Speaker 2: 9:34

Let me send this to the group chat it's a good thing you didn't, because we were all like don't be stupid so I'm like, let me send this to the group chat and test it out.

Speaker 3: 9:45

I need to make sure I don't get pushback. Well, it's not just pushback, it's that, because I still do think what I think about this. But is it too time sensitive where I shouldn't do it yet? And you made a really good point to me. So let's play the clip and then we'll give context here.

Speaker 5: 10:06

Much for tuning into Marketplace today. So I want to talk about something for a minute, and it is heavy, so please bear with me. I want you to know that it's okay if you feel sadness, it's okay if you're grieving. Two days ago, I lost a mentor, my first boss, the first person who made me believe in myself. That encouraged me to chase this dream that you're watching right now, charlie Kirk. There's a lot going on in our world right now, in our country, but I want to say one thing Lean on your neighbors, speak up for what you believe in, I don't care what it is. I want to share with you one of my favorite sayings that Charlie would always tell us at the office. He would yell it from the mountaintop. So please listen. When conversations stop happening, when individuals become wordless, that's when violence begins. So if you do one thing today, make it be with passion.

Speaker 3: 11:04

Okay, you guys get it right. So local ABC affiliate anchor Benny Ray Harmony resigns after she was suspended for paying tribute to Charlie Kirk live on air, and then she puts out the statement Many in the mainstream media have been fired or punished for mocking his assassination. I believe I am the first to be targeted for honoring him on air. My resignation is guided by values that are essential to who I am, which I refuse to set aside in order to keep a job. I choose my faith and love of country and always will unbelievable.

Speaker 2: 11:35

You should be ashamed of yourselves, uh, abc now adrian has a very important question for you guys stop I'm not stop.

Speaker 3: 11:46

You're gonna make me apologize. Stop it. You have it yet? No, I haven't, but I do feel bad about that. So, um so now I said to rob in the group chat. I said I'm so jaded. I think this is self-serving and like she resigned, she wasn't fired. I don't even know if she was, she was suspended. I just think she's looking for a better job and just wants to make it all about herself. Rob, what did you actually say?

Speaker 2: 12:14

I said so you said I'm so jaded that I think she planned this to jump, planned this to jumpstart her solo career and I said look, I get it, but ultimately, ultimately.

Speaker 3: 12:30

So what if she did? Let's use it to tear down a liberal broadcast channel. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good. And and so, like I'm trying to work this whole situation out of what's happening around us. Right, so like, that is what gave me the like, the idea for the show tonight, because Rob made me think with that statement right, don't let perfect be the. What is it?

Speaker 2: 12:51

Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

Speaker 3: 12:54

And so because, even if this woman was doing that for self-aggrandizement or to make you know, to jumpstart a solo career, or for attention or anything like, I might be right, I don't know, I was just guessing.

Speaker 2: 13:05

I think you probably are, but I don't care.

Speaker 3: 13:08

But don't miss the opportunity to take down this disgusting people, who even suspended her for this Right.

Speaker 2: 13:15

Right. I mean we have to prioritize the problems we have, right, and like like, yeah, we can deal with um, as you would put it uppity broad at a later date.

Speaker 3: 13:26

Let's deal with the people that literally cheer when we get murdered so the thing is like I agree with that, but but I'm not going to. I'm not going to simp for Charlie here. I'm not becoming a simp in honor of Charlie. I love. Charlie but I'm not All right, so I'm still allowed to fight. As long as it gross women behavior and fight leftists at the same time.

Speaker 2: 13:56

Right, I don't have to give up on anybody.

Speaker 3: 14:00

Let things distract from like the opportunity that we have right now and unfortunately I think it's already happening and we probably already lost the momentum and it's probably all screwed and we might as well just take the black belt now because we're all Well, I do see the administration totally dropping the ball right, like there is this there was this feeling of momentum, not just I don't it's such a weird way to say it, but there was a feeling of, of genuine hurt and anger, and people have kind of had it right and you're seeing the the same old tropes that leftists would throw at us about, like free speech and stuff like that, and I think people have gotten to a point where they're just like we don't care about free speech right now. You don't have the right to be a vile, disgusting human being.

Speaker 2: 14:45

Well, hold on. First off, I'm not sure what this is in regard to. We haven't talked about any means, that would be immoral, yet we're not suggesting anything like that. Um, I think we can still accomplish a lot, even if, like the administration and like governmental structures aren't behind us. Honestly, just having the attitude of sorry, we don't give an f anymore, like you can't control us with these threats and we're going to use it right back against you in the public sphere, I think that could be enough to at least set back the move, that movement, for a while yeah, I do too.

Speaker 3: 15:26

I think it's. It's interesting because for years we were in the other side of the other side of the um, like the pendulum, where it was. They had this ability to get us canceled and to get us, you know, get us banned from things. Where there is a bit of momentum on our side right now, where, if they do say some vile stuff, we can push back and maybe get some people to face some consequences, which I do think is a good thing. Um, and and then the broader question of candace came up, because you're, like, people going down the typical conspiracy lane are missing the forest for the trees, like we should be focusing in on this leftist stuff and we shouldn't be missing an opportunity here to actually get some stuff done. Yeah, to then go down the conspiracy rabbit hole, right well.

Speaker 2: 16:22

So for me, like the most telling thing of of what we saw last week and this weekend and stuff I mean obviously the the murder of charlie itself like, yes, whoever was involved with that, whoever they may be, whether it's just this one kid, a network of like-minded people like him, or the israeli government, whoever is involved with that yes, we do need to bring them to justice. But the larger issue at hand, at least in my opinion, was how half the country reacted. Right, and that shouldn't have surprised anyone, I think, even if you intellectually recognize that that was the case. It is different than seeing it right and hearing it and stuff like that. But I think that's the larger issue, that's the more pressing issue, um, and we do need to deal with that. I think that's the real problem is that half the country wants the other half the country dead. Yeah, they're on.

Speaker 3: 17:23

And they really do. They do All right. So the Candace thing the problem is we'll see clips and people will post clips like a short three-minute segment of something she said and they'll frame it the way they want a short three minute segment of something she said and they'll frame it the way they want. And you think that what candace is saying is the jews are behind this and that's not actually what she's saying. She's pointing out like how shameless bb netanyahu was to go on tv the day of or the next day and instead of just saying something nice about Charlie Kirk, he's like Charlie Kirk was a big supporter of Israel and just tried to start framing the whole thing around Israel. They did that.

Speaker 3: 18:09

There were some things that we were starting to see in Charlie Kirk where he was starting to just have. He refused to take Tucker Carlson off of his tour and he was refused to take Tucker Carlson off of off of his tour and he was starting to have the conversation around around this question and saying like if you guys don't allow any conversation at all to happen or criticism of the Israeli government whatsoever, you're going to start building actual anti-Semitism. They were furious that he was taking this position. So Candace kind of just went through this whole thing outlining how that position changed.

Speaker 3: 18:41

At no time did she say they were behind what happened the other day. But that does lead to like really weird events that did occur around that day. One of them is that, like Bill Ackman offers, offers a million dollar reward to the person who helps find the killer and that turns out to be the killer's dad, who's a mormon, and he gets a million dollar reward now for turning in his gay son no, he's giving it to the kirk family okay, yeah, well, that well, yeah, but okay, so that's good.

Speaker 3: 19:21

There's still like a lot of weird stuff and when we like when I was, even when I was talking about this the other day it's not like at any point I thought Israel hired an agent to go and do this. It's more like what we saw with, like the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping you remember the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping where it was like yeah, it was entrapment by the federal government.

Speaker 2: 19:40

Yeah, it was like entrapment.

Speaker 3: 19:41

Right Now we've been talking about these different cells, even from the kid out in Minneapolis right Like he was part of these weird groups and stuff.

Speaker 2: 19:53

And it is the same groups.

Speaker 3: 19:55

The same groups, right? There's not an ounce of me that doubts that we have intelligence assets inside of these groups.

Speaker 2: 20:04

The question is are are they there spying on them or pushing them on?

Speaker 3: 20:09

or pushing them on right and I think it's both right. I do. I I think some of it is spying and they're probably preventing some things, but then I guarantee in other cases they're provoking stuff to get their political ends Right. So that doesn't mean that somebody is directly hired by this person or somebody is an agent of this person. It means that there's people in these groups who are acting like they're part of the group, who are actually antagonizing things or oh wait, you know, we scoped this place out and you probably have a good shot from this area, right?

Speaker 2: 20:42

And these groups are ideological children of the groups that the KGB supported. It's been well known that the Russian FSB has kept in contact with some of them, so you know you probably have Russian agents in there, and I'm not saying they're behind this or anything. Right. But then you have, you know, american counterintelligence and probably British counterintelligence, and like all intelligence agencies all across the world, from every country, have their own agendas and they're often more in line with each other each others than they are with their respective nations.

Speaker 3: 21:23

So you get into with this. So like people will will talk about like mk ultra and they think that the government's like putting lsd and people's things to mind, control them. Like we're at a point now where you don't need to do any of that kind of stuff especially when you're dealing with groups like these people on the left, where they're already mentally unstable Right, it doesn't take much to provoke these people in like you see them cheering for something like this.

Speaker 2: 21:51

Plus the average drug your average soccer mom takes in a day, way more powerful than the LSD they used in MK Ultra.

Speaker 3: 21:59

So, like these people are all on ssris, they're all eating cannabis now they're all all these things. They're very easy. It doesn't take lsd, it takes good propaganda, and they have perfected the art of propaganda.

Speaker 2: 22:11

So like not even, not even necessarily propaganda. I mean uh, I mean yeah, some obviously, but like pornography yeah I mean, for instance, the, the weird guy that was yelling uh yeah, oh man, they found child, yeah, child porn on his phone on his phone, and it's well known that these groups are they. They peddle in child porn too.

Speaker 3: 22:36

They peddle in child porn too. Dude, we've been talking for a couple of years now about how artificial intelligence is going to do this and that the government's going to be able to know every single text message that goes out. And they've infiltrated every single Like. There's not. Even you can't even go on the signal app without them tracking you, right. So I find it very hard to believe that these groups exist and that we don't have Intel agencies inside of them knowing exactly what's going on.

Speaker 3: 23:14

I find it very hard to believe that when they release those text messages from from those two today, as if that wasn't just a way to cover for the boyfriend, like it's just silly, but even the fact that some of the stuff's redacted and then other stuff's put in, there's no timestamps on anything. So to the larger question of do I think Candace is helping the conversation? Yes, because it's. I don't. I think it's good. For I know you may not agree with this, but I think that we're all thinking differently now than we would have when we just had, like, the three major news outlets giving us information, you know. But there's there's also an aspect of so my. So my wife was watching candace and she's going through all this, my wife's like I don't understand if, like, if, if israel is really this powerful, like, why haven't they gotten candace? And I said, okay. So here's the thing candace goes off so much on some of these things that it's easy for people to just go.

Speaker 3: 24:02

Candace is a crazy conspiracy theorist therefore, everyone who believes similar things is the same it's just a crazy conspiracy theorist where what charlie was doing was way more dangerous because charlie was just being rational and starting to like, question things slightly like and if he does start to come around on that question slowly and not down some crazy oh my goodness, the USS Liberty thing and it's more just like hey, like you know, maybe we should ask this question. Charlie has millions of people watching him and it's way more dangerous for somebody like that, who everybody trusts and it doesn't seem as a crazy conspiracy theorist. That's a way more dangerous person than Candace Owens is to them. Because Candace people you see it all over Twitter People are just like Candace is crazy, she's a liar, she's there, she's that calf.

Speaker 3: 24:48

Half the comments are people in rage that Candace had the audacity to say Charlie, you're too smart to be Protestant. It's amazing how people like react to one little thing and miss, miss the forest for the trees and in clips when they're. When you're seeing everything in sound bites and clips nowadays like it's. It's really an interesting time to be alive and to see these, because I kind of went into this thinking that candace wasn't helping the conversation and then I listened to candace's show and I was like, wow, like this is. This is kind of like important what she's, what she's going through right now.

Speaker 2: 25:22

but will it actually allow for any action to be taken?

Speaker 3: 25:27

I don't know okay. So part of what I think we have to also be cautious of is, you know how, like we're getting drummed up about left and right and we we're like we have to do something about the left, we have to like so much of this is just building tension between the left and right in our own country and causing but we can't, we can't, we can't live next to them. I know I'm not disagreeing with you. You know I don't know what to do, but I do.

Speaker 2: 25:54

I agree. We shouldn't be driven blindly into what someone else wants Right and a left versus right dialectic at all times.

Speaker 2: 26:04

We shouldn't be driven to another Iraq war with propaganda, for instance. So we do have to be prudent and reasonable and things like that. But what really worries me and we talked on this on an episode a year or two ago about fifth generation warfare is that the the whole idea behind fifth generation warfare and that's basically information warfare is is to make it to where you can't believe anything. You don't believe anything or you don't know what to believe. The second you believe something, you suddenly find something that makes you not believe in, and now you, you know you're always going down a different rabbit hole the fog of war right.

Speaker 2: 26:44

Like you don't know, dude, I'm very much in that place and because of that, you're afraid to act, because you don't believe in what you even think you believe. You don't know what to believe, so you sit there and not. You don't act, you don't do anything. You don't unite with the don't do anything. You don't unite with the people you should unite against. You don't fight against the people you should fight against. So they disarm society completely by just making it to where you don't know what to believe.

Speaker 3: 27:09

You don't know who to trust, right, you don't know who to trust. You don't know if the person like even look at Trump throughout this whole thing. Man, I'm so infuriated with him right now. He is such a narcissistic, I don't know man, charlie Kirk got him elected and watching him just say one or two quick statements about him and then just kind of move on. At least JD Vance understands the gravity of the situationd vance, I mean, some you have. You know you can have whatever opinions you want of jd vance, but at least he understands the gravity of the situation, how, how attached to charlie the american people were and even if they weren't attached to him, how big of an event this was on the american psyche. So so jd vance got up and said some very powerful thing. I mean, he went up and said the Nicene Creed. Essentially, I never thought I'd hear the vice president of the United States get up and say the Nicene Creed on air. It was.

Speaker 2: 28:10

I think, I think we're seeing a Trump, a Trump that was either way more affected by the assassination attempt than we thought or is really just suffering from old age at this point, and I think, from what everyone says that knew him and Charlie and their relationship, that he is probably just grieving, you know, in, maybe the only way he knows, how. You know, I don't know.

Speaker 3: 28:46

Yeah, yeah, it's like. Well, I don't know, man, I think the whole situation has been very reminiscent of like nine 11, almost where you don't know when it's appropriate to stop talking about it. Right, like I still remember, after nine 11, you couldn't take your eyes off the TV and you, like I remember wondering, three months on from and I don't think this is that impactful, obviously, but three months on after 9-11, there wasn't a single day where every single New York newspaper didn't have a picture of ground zero on the front cover. And.

Speaker 3: 29:25

I remember thinking like is anything else ever going to be front page news?

Speaker 2: 29:31

You even saw that this year, 24 years later, there were some people who were upset that the anniversary of 9-11 were overshadowed by the assassination of Charlie.

Speaker 3: 29:43

It's an interesting one because 9-11 really is such an impactful event. Anybody over 35? How old are you? I'm 36.

Speaker 2: 30:02

Yeah, I would say anybody over 34 35. It was a very, very, very impactful if, if you watched it in school basically, and remember watching in school, yeah, and it impacted you for sure yeah, um.

Speaker 3: 30:12

So even this though, right. So who benefits? Right, like there also is a degree of which you can't just see, the see something that happened and find the evidence you want to find to make that the case, right so, and there's so there's so much of that going on through this fog of war fifth generational warfare stuff too where we all kind of have this preconce, this fog of war, fifth generational warfare stuff too, where we all kind of have this preconceived idea of what happened, before we even know what happened and you don't have all the evidence out there. Like there's no conspiracy yet. Rob, you were saying this to me in the green room there's no conspiracy yet because the, the government hasn't told us the story right.

Speaker 2: 30:52

You can't have a conspiracy theory if you don't have, if you haven't been provided yet with the full narrative you're supposed to believe. We don't even have that yet yeah.

Speaker 3: 31:02

So there's not even anything to pick apart and say they're lying to us about, yet we're just getting these bits and pieces of things. It does look like they're trying to make it seem that one man did this and one man was responsible, and I don't think anybody's buying that I don't, I don't.

Speaker 2: 31:19

Who do you mean? They?

Speaker 3: 31:20

I don't think the fbi is seeing the indictment so far is just about the one guy. The news reports are being presented about these text messages trying to absolve the boyfriend. Even the way the news, the news is presenting it like. Oh, it's so strange, we have that clip of that creepy news reporter. You think you can find that creepy news reporter presenting I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 3: 31:44

Presenting it. It's actually a tweet. You responded to me, I tweeted it out and I said that anybody believes these text messages are real and I don't think I tweeted it that long ago. So, like I know I tweet a lot, I got it.

Speaker 6: 31:59

listen to how this news reporter is presenting this is this is obscene we have seen uh, an alleged murder with such specific text messages about the alleged murder weapon, where it was hidden, how it was placed, what was. But also it was very touching in a way that I think many of us didn't expect A very intimate portrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the suspect himself, with him repeatedly calling his roommate who was transitioning, calling him my love, and I want to protect you, my love. So it was this duality of someone who the attorney said not only jeopardized the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd but was doing it in front of children, which is one of the aggravating circumstances of this case and on the other hand, he was speaking so lovingly about his partner. So a very interesting and, as Pierre said, riveting press conference.

Speaker 2: 32:52

I think he's already writing a screenplay in his head press conference. I think he's already writing a screenplay in his head.

Speaker 3: 32:56

Is that not unbelievably creepy that he's even saying like, like it's the duality of man in one, one moment if he's loving his partner like, oh, if you're a guy, a straight guy, a normal guy.

Speaker 2: 33:14

Your instant reaction was you, he just called another dude.

Speaker 3: 33:17

My love what's that news article that came out? It's like when the reaction men have to seeing two men like heterosexual men. If they see two men kiss, it's the same as like seeing maggots. Um, sarah stock uh, I'm not a promoter of e-girls but I did like this tweet of hers. She said those messages between robinson and the trans boyfriend seemed so fake. If someone close to me texted me that they assassinated a public figure, I wouldn't be like why did you do it? I would assume it's some sick joke and then I would spam call them until they picked up right so uh, daffy says, there's a clip in your DMs, oh, boy, let's see it, daffy, if it's the Simpsons one, we're not he did it, he did it, he did it with the Simpsons.

Speaker 3: 34:05

Hold on.

Speaker 2: 34:07

Send it to me. I'll watch it without putting on.

Speaker 3: 34:09

I don't know if I can send it, I'll just present it, hang on.

Speaker 2: 34:12

No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't know if everyone should, why? What are you worried about?

Speaker 3: 34:18

seems a little oh, you think we'll do it on locals. It seems a little insensitive. Okay, we'll do it on locals, you guys, you guys are, you guys are brain, brain damaged over on locals anyway. So you guys won't judge us all right, if you guys want to see, it's on locals we don't need law, everybody wants it to play.

Speaker 3: 34:35

Now you gotta. You gotta watch on locals. We got a couple things about locals, too. I want to see it's on locals. We don't need law, everybody wants it to play it. Now you got it. You got to watch on locals. We got a couple things about locals, too. I want to, I want to address, I want to address somebody on locals that I can't. I'm not even going to hint at it over here because I don't want to start and it's not michael lofton, but no, it's nobody. It's nobody like famous or anything.

Speaker 3: 34:50

It's somebody who's not famous I mean maybe maybe a little famous, well, as of recent he was on that jubilee thing. All right, never mind, we'll get. Uh, um wait, what was like? Oh the? So the sarah stock tweet is like if somebody texted you some, your loved one, especially right. Like if I texted my wife, read the note under the computer I just killed someone. Like my wife would be frantically calling me, or it'd be like what, what? No, what do you? What? What kind of ridiculous thing are you saying? Right now? There's no chance.

Speaker 2: 35:25

I don't see it under the keyboard. Are you sure you left it under the keyboard?

Speaker 3: 35:28

yeah, that's what it would be like. There's no chance that you would react that way if somebody admitted to the craziest event happening in the media at that moment and like the weird details he's describing about. Oh, they have some other guy they're questioning talking about the old man. It's like was this guy like watching live, as he was on the run and on the lam and so it was just very bizarre.

Speaker 2: 35:54

Yeah, I mean, look at you guys guessing like I said, we, we obviously when you know, we don't. I don't think the fbi is the full story yet, but we sure as the heck don't have it. Will we ever have it? I don't know. But if I had to guess, like, yeah, there's a larger conspiracy here, in the sense, like other people knew, you know the so-called boyfriend, the different Discord groups, and like, yeah, there are people in those Discord groups that have connections to the State Department, to the UN, and like not like high up or anything. But yeah, I think we're going to find out that there was a wider conspiracy. There has to be At least people who talked about it in a theoretical sense.

Speaker 3: 36:40

Because there was also all these other messages that we were seeing all over the place, people saying look out for something happening on September 10th and all stuff like that. We know there was right. Bobby says the note under the keyboard told him to follow the script to make him look innocent. That's a probable yeah, the text. The note under the keyboard told him to follow the script to make him look innocent. That's a problem. Yeah, um, the um, yeah, the.

Speaker 3: 37:00

The text messages read out and Matt Walsh pointed this out. I don't want to. I don't want to steal it from him. He pointed out perfectly. It reads like Walter white trying to get Skylar off at the end of breaking bad by making it like she knew nothing about any of the stuff he was doing. So this is the unpaid for locals, just to get the tea. Uh, yeah, I, just, I was. I. I tried to give some elder brother advice and I don't know if he took it. Uh, I don't know, I'll, I'll, I'll. I won't say it on here, though I don't I'm trying to cause drama, it's just. You know, you guys are fine.

Speaker 3: 37:47

People actually get very upset when we put chats up on screen and don't read them because they're driving and listening to the show or they're doing the audio only thing. So somebody just making fun of me saying a body is trying to use this fiducia supplicants glasses to read the texts. Never used locals before. You guys don't know what you're missing over there. And I think actually we're going to start shortening the YouTube show to like 45 minutes and giving an hour and 15 over to locals.

Speaker 3: 38:24

We're also going to be bringing on guests for the advice show. So I'm going to have Joshua Charles come on one episode. We're going to have Brian Holdsworth come on for an episode. We're going to have Michael Hitchborn come on for an episode. We're going to get Brian Holdsworth come on for an episode. We're going to have Michael Hitchborn come on for an episode. We're going to we're going to get different people to come on. Hopefully, some of the people that we have come on will be more theologically sound than Rob and I, so that if you need advice, you know, if you need like family advice, rob and I can help. But if you have something on a theology question or a question about the fathers, we'll have a Holdsworth or a Joshua Charles there to give you guys a little more depth. It'll be like Trad Answers Live instead of Catholic Answers Live. We're not stealing it, guys. I promise they steal enough from us. You guys all steal enough from us. So yeah, that's what we're thinking of doing with locals. We're going to try different things.

Speaker 2: 39:15

We have the only Catholic gun show for a good four weeks.

Speaker 3: 39:20

And yeah, and there might be some other news we could reveal on the other side. I don't know if we should yet. I don't know if we should yet. Yeah, no, not yet. Soon soon we'll have some inside info for you guys over there, but, anthony, do you read the books behind you? Do you info for you guys?

Speaker 2: 39:38

over there. But, um, anthony, hold on, let me see if that's back up do you read the?

Speaker 3: 39:41

books behind you. Actually, uh, the harry potter ones. Yes, they don't have harry potter. Um, there are. There are many that I have read behind me, but there are also a lot of books that steve cunningham sends me like daily, and no, I can't read them all. Uh, but I am waiting for, uh, a time when I, uh I, I just have some time to read and I'm going to read also the um, the young Protestant boy, dominic, who um is being, who came to mass with me once and then I was sick this past weekend so I couldn't bring him again. Uh, I'm going to bring a book or two, I'm going to see what good book to bring him and let him have.

Speaker 2: 40:20

What do you think I should get? Catholic Controversy by Francis de Sale.

Speaker 3: 40:24

That's a rough one for a newbie.

Speaker 2: 40:28

Okay, but because he wrote them as little pamphlets, right that he would drop around Geneva. And then he converted 80, calvinists back to the faith, and they later collected it into a big book. The kid seems smart yeah, he does.

Speaker 3: 40:46

Um, I I'll tell you that. Uh, I would love to get modley back on to get his opinion on current events also.

Speaker 2: 40:54

Um so, Mississippi said I should bring. Where was it?

Speaker 3: 41:02

I know we're kind of going off on tangents right now. We will get back to to uh, like Pam Bondi oh, you want to talk about how the right is going to butcher, butcher this whole opportunity before them? Like Pam Bondi today, just look at, just look at how dumb these people are like. These are the people we voted in because we thought we were going to have some well, no one voted for pam bondi no, but we voted for the man who put her in position and, unfortunately, this is.

Speaker 3: 41:34

This is what the best, this is the best the right has to offer. When something like this happens, they act like leftists, like the absurdity of this. God. What are you waiting for? Making me look stupid?

Speaker 4: 41:51

there's free speech and then there's hate speech, and there is no place especially now, especially after what happened to Charlie, in our society, do you?

Speaker 5: 42:01

see more law enforcement going after these groups who are using hate speech and putting cuffs on people, so we show them that some action is better than no action.

Speaker 4: 42:12

We will absolutely target you. Go after you if you are targeting anyone with hate speech, anything, and that's across the aisle. How?

Speaker 3: 42:22

does Barbie get into the attorney general's? Office. There is no place. I don't know.

Speaker 3: 42:28

Like. This woman is very dim-witted, like all the conservative women that think she is just a moron. She's talking about hate speech, seriously. There's no's talking about hate speech. Seriously, there's no such thing as hate speech. It is a leftist term they made up to accuse us of any time we're being mean. We're breaking the law. She also said today that if you go to like I don't remember what store she brought up, but like if you want to have a printout of Charlie Kirk's face brought up and they won't print it for you Office Depot and they won't print out Charlie Kirk for you we're going to come after you and it's like didn't we just go through this with the cake thing?

Speaker 3: 43:11

10 years ago, but yeah where the bakery owner didn't want to put a message that they, you know they didn't want to put a message that they, you know they didn't want to put a gay wedding. They didn't want to make a gay wedding cake. Like, we'll make you a wedding cake, we're not making a gay wedding cake, though you know we'll serve gay people. We're not saying we won't serve gay people, but we're not going to put a message onto something that we don't agree with. So I mean, we've through the Supreme Court, didn't it? Yeah, it went through the Supreme Court and the bakery won. We're now going to re-litigate leftist causes from our perspective.

Speaker 2: 43:45

I think they're going to say that's true because of the Office Depot thing. It really is the same situation.

Speaker 3: 43:52

It's the same thing. We don't want to print a message. They should have that right. Go to a different place. It doesn't mean they can't. They won't serve you to print a different message. So it's not like discrimination against you, it's not. You can't force me to print a message that I don't agree with. There's plenty of other bakeries out there that'll bake your gay wedding cake, like you can't force a christian baker to to will bake your gay wedding cake, like you can't force a Christian baker to put that message on. So you can't change the rules. That's the other thing, right? I'm very worried that this administration is going to enact laws and things that leftists actually want and make it look good, and then when they get back in power, they're going. It's the same thing with the Patriot Act. Those are real things to worry about, so we have to be very careful about how we go about it.

Speaker 2: 44:43

The administration's not doing anything.

Speaker 3: 44:44

They're not doing anything right. But I am for laws against certain speech, like there should be obscenity laws.

Speaker 3: 44:55

I'm okay with obscenity laws like I'm okay with obscenity laws, I'm okay there should be things enacted that degrade the culture, right, not not things that not hate speech. You can't go with hate speech. That has to be like something. If something degrades the culture, there can be laws enacted against it. Like I'm not like a free speech absolutist, I think free speech should absolutely have limits and anybody that's Catholic should think that there's no, you know, we don't believe in free speech as a principle.

Speaker 2: 45:25

Free speech is an error for sure.

Speaker 3: 45:27

So, yes, there should be laws against it. Like there should be blasphemy laws. Like I'm I'm okay with putting laws yeah, somebody said that Anti-blasphemy laws. Like I'm okay with putting laws into place. Like, if we're not conserving Christian culture, I don't know what conservatives are doing at all, because that's the whole Like, what are we? What is a conservative at this point?

Speaker 2: 45:57

I mean, we haven't had real conservatives in this country for 200 years.

Speaker 3: 46:01

Absolutely yeah. So do I believe in Valhalla? I'm not a Paget. I don't believe in Valhalla as a Catholic. Yeah, so you got to check out the Monday night show. Um, second amendment Absolutely yes, I should be able to own nuclear weapons. Uh, jake, I'm very glad to see you in our chat the last couple of episodes, jake, cause I'm in your chat all the time for your show and it's nice to see you come back and show some love. Tim Gordon says these rules require a state defendant. Private enterprise is not bound to employ losers in perpetuity. They get fired for the same reason. We are not compelled to shop there. Yeah, tim's law student, I would trust him. My brother Joey's in the chat. Bring back the old Babylon where you brought on guests and talk about the faith. Now it's like a news podcast, like everybody else. I think. Like I think of Francis and I talks more faith. Now it's like a news podcast, like everybody else. I think a Francis Sinod talks more about Jesus than Antos Brutal.

Speaker 2: 47:04

Brutal.

Speaker 3: 47:06

Joey, you're on my crew tomorrow. Joey, I don't think you're going to like how I handle this comment in the morning. My brother Joey's on my crew tomorrow. I will be punishing him. How are you going to say that to your brother? Text me that. You jerk. What's the matter with you? It's a kid. Why is it? It's my little brother, kid brother. Yeah, I don't. In regards to that Joe, there's only so many discussions on theology you could have, so we switch it up. You know we'll have uh, we'll have some guests on soon that we'll get back into that, but this is such a big event.

Speaker 2: 47:45

He wasn't, uh he wasn't in the chat when we had uh uh charles frani on to talk about uh the saints. So yeah, it's it's. It is kind of funny.

Speaker 3: 47:56

You want to talk? Joey, fredo a body. I'm gonna take my brother joey out a little fishing trip this weekend.

Speaker 2: 48:05

We'll see I didn't see him in the chat when joshua charles was on to talk about the uh, the overthrow of christ earthly kingdom yeah, yeah or when or when Dr Marshall was on to talk about Christian patriotism. It's almost like the news shows are what actually gets people to watch, unfortunately.

Speaker 3: 48:25

My brother, joey, does not pay for locals as much I know. We gave it to him for free. Asking us for a handout, asking us for a handout.

Speaker 3: 48:34

Coach P, you guys better chill. Everybody's coming down on us now. Coach P, you guys, better chill. Everybody's coming down on us now. Coach P. Joey, hit the mark. Don't ask Joey about my job. Don't ask Joey about my job, all right, so we're going to head over to locals now. We're going to talk about the faith. You guys want the theology show. We're going to do it over there. There now we do have some things to discuss over there. We'll keep this one short, don't worry. Um, if you know, I'm not you guys. We're the only catholic content show out there that george farmer hasn't befriended. I'm a little upset about this, um. So you know, we're being nice to Candice now, but if George keeps this up, it's not going to go that way forever. We're going to head over to Locals, guys. We got some stuff to talk about over there. We're going to get the pine sap a little bit. I said it already. I kind of blew the spot. I just want to talk about it. We're going to go do the tea over there, right, mrs Segi.

Speaker 2: 49:40

All right, I'm cutting them all down.

Speaker 3: 49:51

You got to get another exit.