The Meek Shall Inherit the Earth - with The Chivalry Guild - Guns 'N Rosaries Ep. 4

"The middle children of history, man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war." These opening words set the tone for a profound conversation about navigating our rapidly changing cultural landscape.

In this deeply relevant episode, we're joined by George from Chivalry Guild to discuss how recent political violence has signaled a fundamental shift in American society. The conversation opens with a sobering reflection: we've crossed a precipice from which there's no return. The America many of us grew up in no longer exists, and our children face a harder future than we did.

George offers invaluable insights into reclaiming authentic Christian masculinity in troubled times. Drawing from Aquinas and CS Lewis, he challenges the misconception that meekness equals weakness, instead revealing it as "strength under control"—the virtue that allows righteous anger while maintaining good judgment. This framework provides a path for responding to injustice without surrendering to either rage or apathy.

The discussion turns practical as we explore building resilient communities. We emphasize developing your "fire team"—three to four dependable people who will answer your call at 3am without question. These local, tangible relationships form the foundation of resilience when institutions fail. We cover church security considerations, personal protection strategies, and the importance of getting involved in local politics where your influence can make real differences.

Throughout the conversation runs a thread of hope—not naive optimism, but the grounded confidence that comes from preparation and purpose. By strengthening your family, building committed communities, and developing personal virtue, you can face uncertain times with courage rather than fear.

Join us for this essential conversation about making yourself "a little bit better every day" physically, mentally, and spiritually. The highway ahead may be dangerous, but with proper preparation and strong communities, we can navigate these challenging times together.

Chapters

• 0:00 The Changing American Landscape
• 13:59 Responding to Political Violence
• 35:07 Meekness vs. Pacifism: Christian Strength
• 58:38 Faith Communities and Parish Life
• 1:20:14 Building Local Influence and Security
• 1:47:42 Preparing Your Family for Hard Times
• 2:08:57 Practical Safety and Community Questions
• 2:34:29 Food Security and Daily Preparations

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:01

The middle children of history, man, no purpose or place. We have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war. Hello everyone, welcome to what? Our fourth episode of Guns and Rosaries here, adrian, third or fourth, fourth, yeah, and man, besides that first one, we've had three. Well, yes, we've had our third rough episode in a row.

Speaker 2: 0:56

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 0:57

Yeah, not great, not fun topics here.

Speaker 2: 1:02

No, a lot has happened since the last time we had a show.

Speaker 1: 1:06

The arena stuff come out that day of the last show either that day or the day before, because that's why we did situational awareness yes, yes, this is that.

Speaker 2: 1:16

It was like over the weekend. Yeah, yeah, so welcome y'all. Uh, we've got george here from chivalry guild on x. I wanted to bring him on and it's unfortunately apropos, based on what's happened over the last few days, over the last week. But before we get into it, I'm going to have my little monologue real quick. I want to talk about some stuff that has happened since, since the Charlie Kirk stuff. When, when the Charlie Kirk thing happened, I was on my way to work and when I saw exactly what happened, when we all got that angle that showed close up what happened, I knew you know cause you know my experience as a paramedic I knew it as like there's no way he's living. And so when I, when I heard that they're like, oh, he's making it to the hospital, I was like no, they're just saying that so they can declare him hospital.

Speaker 2: 2:18

There's no way he survived that, and when I realized that, a lot of sorrow hit me. Um, so mostly for his family, but in the back of my mind it was also we just crossed a precipice. We can't come back from um. We're entering into a time that it is the America that I grew up in, that I that I was raised in, is no longer exists. We're in a time where our kids are going to have a much harder future than I had at their same age.

Speaker 2: 2:57

Even though I thought you know Charlie Kirk was very lame on some topics, I don't think his opinion was as developed as it needed to be. He was still someone who had some very good logic behind what he was doing and you could see there was some development in him from where he was in 2016 to where he is as of last week and as I realized, you know what, where we were going and where I, where. We've seen these things happen before in third world countries. You know I saw it firsthand in Afghanistan the amount of political assassinations that happened when I was there Usually not by gunfire, it was usually by some type of explosive, but this is still a hard one to watch and I think where a lot of America has woken up since then is to realize that we have a lot of people out there that just we cannot live with.

Speaker 2: 4:13

Sam Hyde had a video come out today called this Is you, and I don't know if any of y'all watch Sam Hyde, but I don't watch him very regularly, but occasionally I'll watch him and the first five minutes of his video today. If you don't watch anything else, watch about the first five or 10 minutes minutes of his video today. If you don't watch anything else, watch it about the first five or 10 minutes. It is very prescient of where we're at. The title of the video is this Is you and basically what he's trying to get across is you know, charlie Kirk and Arena those are us and there's a whole segment of people out there that do not care what you have to say. All they care is that if you don't agree with them, you have to be gone. And last week we show up. We saw what kind of ways those they're willing to do that.

Speaker 2: 4:53

Um, a lot of us are going to have to start transitioning our thought process to being more accepting of. Things are going to get worse, the violent. This is the beginning of the violence that we're all going to see. As long as we have a population out there that has a 45 to 60% suicide rate and they feel as if they cannot live in a society with us either, they're going to just get more and more violent. So we need to be aware that this is not the end of it. This isn't going to stop next week. It is just going to get worse from here.

Speaker 2: 5:40

So another thing we have to be aware of is the people we're seeing that are coming out against what happened. We have to be aware of the people who are going to try and stick to the swinging of the pendulum like a barnacle Right. They don't want to be caught up with where their politics logically took them, so they're trying to catch the swing of the pendulum back, uh, so it doesn't come against them. And you're going to see them grift, and you're going to see them, uh, change their position on things, um, and doing a hard right on a lot of topics, because they have always gone along to get along, and so they are going. You're going to see people come to the right and I use that word loosely who have never been there, have never been an ally, who have never been a friend, who have never had any of the same values and principles as we have had, and they're going to act like they've always had.

Speaker 2: 6:39

Okay, so you, we have to, as we did last time, have your head on a swivel, see what's going on.

Speaker 2: 6:46

Um, and this is a time like we've been talking about the last few shows. You have to be better tomorrow than you are today. You need to be finding little ways to make yourself better and your family better every day, whether that's getting in better physical shape, that's reading more and stretching your mental muscles, that's getting on your knees more and praying more, providing more logistics for your family in case hard times come, like this morning. I woke up and my power was out for seven hours for no reason, because I got hit a power pole across the street from me, right. That made things a little difficult today, starting on a Monday morning, right, but I was prepared for that, because you know how we live. We're a little bit more resilient, but we have to make ourselves a little bit better every day. You also have to make yourself a little bit more dangerous, more dangerous you have to be prepared to do violence to protect yourself and your family and the innocent.

Speaker 2: 7:53

We are seeing now that it is no longer acceptable to just always walk away. Sometimes you have to stand your ground and sometimes that means accepting the consequences that comes with that. And I'm going to finish this last point or two Stop fed posting. Be aware of what you're putting on social media. I know emotions ran high and a lot of people are very scared and concerned about where we're going. Stop giving people a reason to look harder at you. Okay, with the way that AI is progressing, it will not be long. In fact, we saw it. There's a. Last week there was a Intel official that came out after the, but it was between Arena and Charlie Kirk about AI scrubbing the internet, constantly scraping it, trying to find far left and far right activity right and trying to predict violence is going to happen. And the last point is I want to bring up before we get into our guest here is get offline. Stop spending so much time on the internet and social media. Go talk to people in meat space Right and start to develop better relationships with people that you can depend on.

Speaker 2: 9:15

Start developing. You know, in the Marines we had fire teams which were four guys. Right, four guys were a fire team. You could depend on each other. Every squad was dependent of three fire teams and a squad leader.

Speaker 2: 9:28

Um, start to develop your fire team three to four guys that you can depend on that can be there in case you need them. Right, as we used to call them, our 3am friends, like a guy who I can call at three o'clock in the morning and no matter what, he's going to answer that phone, he's going to, he's going to help me and not ask questions. Right, start to find those guys. Develop those friendships. And that means you have to give up social equity too. You have to give into these people as much as you take.

Speaker 2: 9:54

Right, because the way we're going and the route we're going there, we just got off of the local country road and we're now on the highway. Things are going a whole lot faster, um, and things. When you're on the highway, you know those wrecks can be a whole lot more violent. So just realize where we're at and start to take to heart, um, a lot of things that we talk about here, um, and and things that, especially, we're going to talk about with george um, because having him on now is, uh, man, what better guess could we have on at this time? Um, so I want to introduce george. George is from the chivalry guild. Uh, on x he puts out phenomenal content. Um, I've been talking to george for a little bit, uh, we've had some conversations for a while, um, and I think he has a lot to give and a lot of knowledge to get us out of this rut of thinking that we have to be pacifists and thinking that Christianity is a old lady's religion. All right With that, george, welcome. How are you, sir?

Speaker 3: 11:06

Hey, I'm good, Adrian. Thank you for having me on.

Speaker 2: 11:09

Absolutely, you're the. You were actually the first guest I thought about I was like when Rob and I have been we're game planning this, uh the show, and I was like, well, george has got to be first First guy. You did say that I'm honored.

Speaker 3: 11:26

Absolutely Good. How are things going for you? You're up north aren't you. Yeah, great Lakes area yeah, things are good. Things are good. Been working on a lot of the stuff that you were just talking about a minute ago as far as really building up loyalties local loyalties as best I can, so that's going well.

Speaker 2: 11:51

Good. So first of all, I told Rob he needs to read your book. Yeah, he did, and so I know when you came out with the book, I got it as soon as I could and I read it. And it took me about a day to read it because I just binged on it for a little bit and I thought your book was not that it wasn't too scholarly that even a dumb Marine like myself could understand. It wasn't too scholarly that even a dumb Marine like myself could understand it. But, um, but it provided a lot of background and a lot of your thoughts on um, you know where we went astray and where, where we came from. Um, so if you could, would you mind, just kind of go over like the the basis of your book and, um, where, where that that background came from, that you wanted to, uh, really put that out.

Speaker 3: 12:51

Uh, let's see where to start. I was raised like very lax Catholic. I was, uh, I was very soft also growing up. Um, I was very soft also growing up. Just, I mean, when I look back on my formative years I'm just, I'm kind of aghast at how poorly formed I was, both intellectually and spiritually. And you know there were really big consequences of that. When you fail to Let me state this, the biggest problem as far as I see it, russell Kirk's got this line humankind can endure anything except boredom. I think that my years I'm one of the older millennials, so my formative years were just so steeped in this post-Cold War boredom of the 90s and the aughts and I was just very spiritually impoverished as a result. And I was Catholic out of habit and out of duty, but I certainly didn't love the sissified teachings and I don't know what happened Somehow.

Speaker 3: 14:20

I found this essay by CS Lewis, the Necessity of Chivalry. I found Joseph Pieper's writing on the cardinal virtues and it was just absolutely wild to be exposed to a much more invigorating part of our tradition than I had ever known before. And I you know not to sound too conspiratorial, but I started to think like, was this purposefully withheld from me. Why in the world was I not told this stuff? Why was I given this maximally sissified version of the faith at the same time that I was just like bored to death, put put into this zombie-like trance way of living?

Speaker 3: 15:15

Um, so, as I was discovering this stuff, it just, it just became wild, and I guess my, my project is is an attempt to share things that I wish I had been told when I was younger, things that would have made a very significant difference for me. The book, long story short, it's an introduction to chivalry, an argument that this is an ideal whose time has come again. It's built around the. It's structured around the six chivalric virtues of prowess, courtesy, honor, generosity, loyalty and faith, and I explore what those looked like for the men of the past and what it might look like for us today. So, long story short, that's the vision for the book.

Speaker 2: 16:21

So when I read CS Lewis' On Chivalry, or Necessity of Chivalry, I'm sorry. And so I run a men's group at our parish and that was one of the first articles that we kind of discussed, Because I always send out an article for us to kind of get the conversation going and then, if you know, the conversation starts to get a little stagnant. We can always come back to the article, but this, the second paragraph, really grabs the attention. I'm going to read it real quick for those of you that haven't read it. The important thing about this ideal is, of course, the double demand it makes on human nature.

Speaker 2: 17:00

The knight is a man of blood and iron, a man familiar with the sight of smashed faces and the ragged stumps of lopped-off limbs. He is also a demurer, also a maiden-like guest in the hall, a gentle, modest, unobtrusive man. He is not a compromise or happy mean between ferocity and meekness. He is fierce to the nth and meek to the nth and meekness. He is fierce to the nth and meek to the nth. When Lancelot first heard himself pronounce the best night in the world, he wept as he had been a child that had been beaten.

Speaker 2: 17:32

So that gets me into the issue with meekness right, because, as you were saying, like the sissified faith we were all raised in and I think there's very few people, especially in the chat, who wasn't given that facade of the faith, that hasn't heard what the current definition of meekness is Meekness is? Well, you turn the other cheek, You're a pacifist, you don't do anything, you let people just walk all over you, because that's what Christians are. Christians are doormats, right. You're not supposed to do anything because that's what Jesus would do. Right, and that's what we're told growing up by a sister of suit pants, right. So where did meekness? Or let me say, let me ask it more like this what is actually meekness? Well, what is meant when meekness is used in the sacred scriptures and by cs lewis?

Speaker 3: 18:31

I think aquinas is the place to go here. He he says very clearly that meekness is that virtue which I believe his words are restrains the onslaught of anger and so allows a man to be angry but still exercise good judgment. Obviously and I just wrote an essay in praise of anger, Anger, anger is not a bad thing. We are so horribly confused, especially on what does Pieper call these, the fundamental life energies, desires, angers. These things are not bad things. They simply need to be brought under the rule of good judgment. So that is the purpose of meekness. To allow a man be so easily set off by slick operators who know how to manipulate you, lash out to all provocations. That just means that you expend your strength and your energy on trifles rather than the things that you need to direct them towards.

Speaker 2: 20:17

The quote I always come back to and I can't remember who said it, in fact, I think it's been attributed to quite a few people is if you are unwilling to do violence to protect those you love, you are not a pacifist, you are harmless, right. And so let me ask you, based on the events that's happened in the past week, how did the Charlie Kirk thing affect you, and where do you and where do you see yourself having to uh practice meekness right and to restrain that anger, uh in in a in a constructive manner?

Speaker 3: 20:54

yeah, the kirk thing. I had a similar initial view of him to the one you expressed a couple minutes ago. When he just came out on onto the scene what would that have been nine years ago or so? Uh, he seemed like kind of an unserious normie con goofball and uh, I guess I never really reassessed him in light of the fact that, to your point, he really was moving in the right direction and I also.

Speaker 3: 21:26

I also have to check myself here too, because I, like a lot of us on the the dissident right, I've been too cynical about the project of actually talking to people and still trying to convince people. Now, obviously, the establishment right has made a ridiculous idol of the marketplace of ideas. You don't reason with people who are as far gone as so many are. But nevertheless, like Charlie Kirk was doing real work and I was I was kind of shocked to find out that my cousin's 16 year old son was like devastated, was like devastated 16-year-old kid, you know, attending public schools and otherwise living a very normal like suburban life. His mom is, she's great, my cousin, but she's one of those, you know, socially liberal, fiscally conservative types. So the fact that her son was attached to Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 3: 22:43

Like that was when it really hit me that I have really sold this guy short and obviously the outpouring of sorrow and regret has been really powerful. Sorrow and regret has been really powerful and um, yeah, so, so anyways, um, remembering that there there is no bringing, there, there is no talking people out, reasoning people out of things that they were never reasoned into, but at the same time, we should carry on his project of at least trying to carry on good discourse, and maybe it's not even for the sake of the people that we're arguing with, but the people that are hearing it. I think those might be the ones who are up for grabs a little bit more. So, anyways, that's my thought. This is going to sound bad, but I am really concerned that the Irena story is pushed to the back burner as a result of the obviously awful assassination. Uh, as a result of the obviously awful like assassination.

Speaker 2: 24:08

Um, I just I wish we had a little bit more time to to really digest that, because that also is, yeah, incredibly powerful I think that the I don't think that charlie kirk's incident would have hit as hard if it wasn't for the arena, kind of priming everybody for it, and the Annunciation shooting too, and then the Annunciation shooting the week before that we can have. So this has been a succession of issues. And then you know, I don't know if y'all saw the story, but apparently two Muslims got caught trying to put a bomb on a news truck at UVU the last night um what yeah?

Speaker 2: 24:48

as they're trying to go and they're covering the story. So, like it's, we're not done, like this is gonna keep happening. But, like I, I know a lot of guys are struggling with, like, should I be angry at this? Or like you know, what can I do about this? Right, and and what it what?

Speaker 2: 25:08

It comes down to me when I look at it as, like, look, man, you've got circles of influence and you can only affect the circle of influence that you. You can affect, right, like your family is your first circle of influence. Right, my kids you know, I've got kids, you know, from five to 12. Right, and all they know is, hey, we're praying for a man named Charlie Kirk and his family in the rosary tonight. He was killed, he was murdered. Because my kids know what murder means, because I make sure they know that. But also, like that's all you need to know, know that. But also, like that's all you need to know. Right, and they'll ask well, what, why they kill him? Like, well, just know, like some bad men wanted to hurt him and and that's. But that first circle of influence is all I can affect. Right, I can protect my family, I can provide for them, I can increase our prayer life. Uh, we can even pray for the young man that caused the killing and and his family, right, because imagine being a father and having to turn in your son after your son committed a horrible atrocity. Right, I can't imagine with a father. You know the thought process to go through that.

Speaker 2: 26:16

But then, out from there, what else can I affect? I mean, I can talk to guys I know at the parish about it, like some of my best friends and guys I know real well, but my influence is starting to wane. Right, there's not a lot I can do, right, I can't do anything, but I still feel angry, right, and um, where do I direct that? Right, so what do I do with that? That just that ball of anger that's sitting in the pit of my stomach and it's got nowhere to go right, um, and I think you know, with a lot of the work that you've done, I think it's helped a lot of guys realize that there are channels for it, like I see you post, you know, your, your pictures of your heavy bag.

Speaker 2: 26:57

Right, I think if more guys had a heavy bag um, one, we have a a lot less fat people, but uh, two, um, we'd have a lot of guys that understood how to properly get out anger that they don't know how else to do. Um, it doesn't have to be a heavy bag, it would be. You know, exercise, uh, you know, go on a run or or whatever you know. Some way that is a healthy outlet for that anger and being ready for the day that you might have to direct that anger righteously at someone else to protect your family or protect someone else who's innocent. And I think a lot of guys feel guilt about that. They feel guilt about well, is that right? You know? Well, you know we're told, you know we're we're supposed to turn the other cheek right. So what is your advice to guys like that? Where do they go to really understand where we have that capability to direct it?

Speaker 3: 27:58

Yeah, so I should have said this when I mentioned my essay on anger. I should have said this when I mentioned my essay on anger, that Aquinas also clarifies that anger serves a very real purpose. I mean so, first of all, it's a natural response to injustice. So if you don't feel anger when you should, there's something wrong with you and that's also a sin. He calls it an unreasonable patience, and I mean I would argue that that is a more disordered sin than excess anger. Excess anger is at least understandable. There's at least something to work with there. The uh, the unreasonable patients that Aquinas mentioned, that's just a, a lack of spirit like a, an internal deadness. That is far more troubling to me. I mean, not obviously anger can do great damage if it's, if it's in excess, but um it's almost like a sort of acedia yeah, yeah, it's very closely related.

Speaker 3: 29:16

I would, I would very much agree with that.

Speaker 2: 29:18

Our priest here, uh, one of the priests that I regularly talk with, he he feels that acedia is the sin that affects men today oh yeah, I would agree, you know, and in fact, uh, I don't know if y'all read anything about jason craig, but, um, he had, he had a talk on acedia with a uh, I think it was. It was those guys in stupidville, new polity, um, I think, I think he was talking about a CDO with them and the guilt system, whatever. And if you've never listened to Jason Craig or anything, he's a phenomenal uh thinker. Um, but, um, you know, it's also known as the noonday devil. It's that, it's that uh malaise that you feel or that uh spiritual sloth yeah, and, and it could be physical sloth too, but it's.

Speaker 2: 30:13

I think what affects us more is the spiritual sloth, because we live in a time now that you have the capability to, uh, really indulge in any sin that you want, right, with these little black boxes we got in our hands, right, and not being willing to resist the temptation, right, and just kind of going along to get along or maybe, like you've, you've created, you know, a prayer routine for yourself and it's kind of lacking. You're not really progressing Right, because if you're not, if you're not growing or shrinking right, whether it's in your prayer life or physically in your, in your, when you work out. So you know, ascedia is everything we have around us. All the technology that makes life easier just makes it a lot harder to pull yourself out of.

Speaker 3: 31:11

Did you ever hear the Aquinas line about how that sloth is? He says something along the lines of it's not necessarily a specific sin, as much as it is an occasion for all sins. It's, uh, it's this lack of spiritedness that kind of renders you unwilling or incapable of unwilling or incapable of not sinning. You kind of just sin as a matter of oh, what the hell Like, why not? Yeah, so that is the major thing that we need to be on the lookout for Real quick. Just to go back to Aquinas on anger, he says also that anger, then, is for the purpose of energizing a response to the injustice that you've witnessed and that has made you angry.

Speaker 3: 32:21

So what shape that response is going to take is going to be determined by prudence, and I really highly recommend to all of your listeners to read Joseph Pieper's the Four Cardinal Virtues, if you haven't, especially his reflections on prudence.

Speaker 3: 32:40

They really are eye-opening and I mean, like I was saying earlier, the way all of these virtues have been diminished in the modern mind applies no less to prudence. Prudence, we see, as you know, it's evasiveness, it's playing it safe, it's caution or it's something more like mere cunning. But he, drawing on the writings of Aquinas presents this really invigorating case for prudence as the virtue which helps you to know what the good is and then also to identify how to bring it about in the specific circumstances before you. So that's not something that is going to. There's not going to be a self-help manual that tells you what prudence dictates in each situation. This is about being a fully alive human being and using your brain and looking and paying attention to things and seeing the problems and opportunities as they arise. And meekness just to tie this bow up. Meekness is the virtue that allows prudence to reign supreme and not get overwhelmed by anger.

Speaker 2: 34:10

Yeah, I, um, I think a lot of us lack prudence because we were one one. We were never catechized correctly, like you know, I I went away from the faith for a while and I came back about, I don't know probably 10 years ago, a little over 10 years ago, and I learned a lot of my. Well, I'll say this I have refined my prudence since I've come back, Because prior to that I made some horrible decisions. I was just not a good human being before I came back to the, to the faith, and, uh, since then it's really become a situation where I don't kind of put this um, I don't know what my left and right guardrails are right for a while, right, what my left and right guardrails are right for a while, right until I started reading the saints, or I started reading the, you know the catechism, or I needed some type of God to at least give me an idea of okay, well, you know what I'm allowed to do, what can I do, or what is good decision. Look like you know, and I think what that requires a little bit as well is obedience. First of all, because, you know, for me it came down to a situation where I had to basically say whatever the church teaches, I'm going to follow that no matter what, even if I disagree with it. Because I'm obviously a horrible person and I've made some horrible decisions and those decisions have taken me down the path that I didn't like and I know that the reading the lives of the saints is a much better life that I want to be attuned to.

Speaker 2: 35:54

So, for example, when I came back to the faith, I lived in Georgia at the time I had, you know, I was going to a non-denominational church and, uh, I had started, we I was running a small group at this protestant church for veterans and, as all protestants do, they uh always want to, you know, hearken back to the early church and how the early church operated. And I was like, you know what we got? We got to have something we can read from that. First christians, you know how do they operate, and so I'm so I'm looking out for these writings and I started reading this guy his name's, uh, polycarp, right.

Speaker 2: 36:32

And I started reading this other guy, ignatius of antioch and irenaeus, and I'm like, oh no, this is super catholic. Like what do I do? Uh, because if I were to choose a religion to follow, uh, it would be islam, right, it would be some type of hedonistic, nihilistic uh, where I could do whatever I want, which is where we see guys like andrew tate do um, you'd be a pain. We also see a lot of guys that join eastern orthodoxy because catholic catholicism is a little too hard. Right, I want to be Catholic, but American Catholic, so I want to be Eastern Orthodox. Right, I don't have to deal with the Pope, because you know, we're in the United States, was built on non Servium, so you know, I want to be able to in a religion that can do everything, all the Catholic stuff does. I just don't have to worry about a president or a King, right? Um.

Speaker 2: 37:23

And so when I started grounding myself, I was like, okay, well, if the church teaches this, then I have to follow it, even if I don't like it. Uh, because one I'm not, I can't, I'm not smart enough to reason my way around it either. Um, but even if I could, I don't know, I wouldn't, because the men who put this, uh, because the men who put these thoughts down were way smarter than me and they lived much harder lives than I do. We live very comfortable lives now. I mean the amount of technology we have to make our lives super easy is unimaginable to anybody. That was even 50 years ago.

Speaker 2: 38:07

But I had to refine my prudence and my thought process and put guardrails up for myself and then be able to understand where was there some leeway on some things, where was the black and white and where was the gray, as long as I'm in line with what the church thinks, uh, and that was a matter of me having to base away, you know, basically tear away my own foundation that I had built up on straw, basically, and put down some better foundation with some stone, uh, to prop myself up. Because I was like a, I was having to almost be like a child, coming back into this and realizing like I didn't know what the hell I was doing and I needed, I needed some way of putting those left and right lateral limits on myself so I could start to develop better prudence. And now, you know, I make pretty good decisions now, I think, hopefully, if my wife is watching, I hope I, I hope, hope I. Am you started?

Speaker 1: 39:06

doing a podcast with me, so good luck there yeah, I know.

Speaker 3: 39:09

So maybe I don't have good prudence, maybe I don't yeah, I like the point about obedience, at the very least realizing that if there's this teaching of the church that you don't like, it is at least incumbent upon you to understand why that teaching is in place and to look deeper into it than to be ruled by that willfulness which immediately is made uncomfortable by this or that teaching and then pushes it away. So, yeah, I would say that's a good exercise of it.

Speaker 2: 39:54

So when you came back to the faith, I'm assuming do you have access to Latin Mass where you're at- we do about.

Speaker 3: 40:04

It's about 50 minutes away. Uh, we, we also have a very, a very based Novus Ordo mass from. Uh, our, our pastor is a former Anglican, um, so I attend the, the based local Novus Ordo mass.

Speaker 2: 40:26

And that is because it's closer.

Speaker 3: 40:29

Yeah, and it's because it's my community. There's a really strong church here that I want to be a part of Gotcha.

Speaker 2: 40:41

I think that's the opinion like Rob and I and anthony have had is, look, I mean you go where you, where you've got access, or you have to do what's best for you and your family. So, like you'll never hear me ever talk down to somebody because they have to go to a novus ordo, right um, you know our latin mass is about 45 minutes away, but I also chose to live this far out because I wanted land Right. So this is, this is part of the decision making process. But I also knew, you know, as long as I'm about 45 minutes away, that's that's as far as I want to go and we go to everything. But I also knew I've got a lot more time commitment because I have to drive farther for things. I've got a lot more time commitment because I'm at the drive farther for things. You know, as as most Latin mass parishes are there, there's no cluster to the community, right it's. They're spread out everywhere, you know, and ours is in probably the most dangerous city in Alabama and maybe in the United States, you know, and it is not the most desirable place to go, but we make it a purpose to go there just because it's mostly because of the kids. If it was just me and my wife, we probably would go well.

Speaker 2: 41:58

I don't want to even say that now. When she first got back to the faith, we probably may have gone to a Novus Sordo and been fine with it if it was just us. But now that we have kids, the issue is, um, you know, I don't. I'm trying to create that foundation for my children, um, and I can't afford the liturgical roulette that a Novus Ordo gives. Sure, like, once that priest is gone, the next priest that comes in could be way worse. Um, and how do I explain that to the kids? That now we have to move? Because you know, father Bob up there at the front, you know, and his uh, sandals smell like patchouli oil and doesn't say the confetti or right, and tells everybody that, um, you know, love is love. Um, while we have to now leave, right, and so I didn't want.

Speaker 2: 42:52

I wanted kids to have a stable foundation for their, for their life, and hopefully they have it better than I did. Because I grew up and I saw the clown men's growing up. I saw the priest dressed as Santa Claus during Christmas, right, I've seen these horrible masses growing up. Um, and I don't want my children to ever have that and thankfully the Latin mass removes that risk, but it just requires some more time commitment. Um, you know, know, but for guys that you don't have access to latin mass, go to the best one you can right.

Speaker 2: 43:24

If you have a really good community like you it sounds like you do it yours, george. Um, you know, make it the best you can right, because hopefully one day we will all have a better mass. Um, you know, and the diocese I live in we're pretty blessed with we have actually some pretty good English Novus oral masses, but it's not like that everywhere. I do a lot of traveling for work and, um, I've seen some really, really bad masses on websites that were supposed to be telling me they were a good mass, and I just see what the average mass is out there and it is horrible, unfortunately, and most people don't have that option. So at your parish I'm assuming you've, because you kind of hit it on your X feed you've got a pretty good community of men built up there now.

Speaker 3: 44:25

Yeah, definitely, um, fascinated to see where these developments that you're talking about are going to take it. I mean, yeah, it is. It is, uh, a turn of roulette. When you're strolling into a, a nova sordo parish that you've not been to as far, though, as the, the younger, much more devout priests that are rising, that is going to make things fascinating. I mean, I've been fascinated to to note the uh, you know, some of the, some of the aging clergy. I've got a, a great aunt who is a benedictine nun and she is really unhappy with the, the orthodox turn of the new generation of priests, and I mean, even in my parish, the priest recently reinstituted the individual kneelers for receiving communion on, and he had to beg the older members of the parish to not make a stink of this. It's totally optional if you want to kneel while receiving the host. He is not making people kne. Going to be a boomer backlash towards any kind of reestablishment of tradition. Fascinating stuff.

Speaker 2: 46:08

It's interesting to see the priests that are making that business-like calculation, because these boomers are only going to be around for maybe 10 more years, right, and then that income's gone. And if you don't start catering to the youth, you know and youth is very loose in this because this is really, you know, I'm 44 years old, right, and so I'm considered young in a lot of Novus Ordo parishes. But if he doesn't start caring to me and my kind, right, he's not going to have a parish to even say mass at in front of anybody. He might do it at a personal altar in a townhouse he has to rent because his parish has gone belly up. But you know, the calculation that some of these men are making is look, you can't cater to these elderly anymore just because they donate some money, because once they're gone and you've basically catered every, you have a lot of, you know, pastors over the last 15, 20 years who have always catered to them and have always, always given the excuse well, you know, when I'm a, when I'm a pastor somewhere, then I'll make the change, oh, well then. If I'm a senior somewhere, well then I'll make the change, right? Oh, if I'm a bishop somewhere, then I'll make the change.

Speaker 2: 47:39

If you've habituated yourself to always giving in, that you are not going to grow a spine later on in life, it's just not going to happen. You have gotten yourself into a habit of always capitulating for what may happen in the future and you no longer know how to stand up for yourself or for your parish. You know, and I think, we're going to see a demographic cliff here soon, here in my diocese. You know it's, it's a, a lot of these parishes are blue hairs and oxygen bottles and it's. You know, in the next five years I would not be surprised if we didn't close 10 parishes. I mean, hopefully it's not that soon. Maybe it's 15 years and maybe we got some time to to kind of return things back to, uh, uh, a more robust faith, uh, life, faith, life in a lot of these parishes. But I just don't see it, man. It's just the you. They've pushed families out for so long. There's no families that even want to come back to it yeah, it's, uh.

Speaker 3: 48:53

I mean, you talk about exercising prudence, these uh talk about exercising prudence. These uh, our, our failure to do that is going to have tremendous consequences. And you know, for a pastor like mine who's in that position of having to as much back toward the old way as he can without, uh, totally alienating the, the older crowd, that's, uh, it's a tremendous task before him. But but you're right, ultimately, uh, one has to have a spine. Courage informs, or courage protects. Prudence allows for the exercise of good judgment, so that we are not overwhelmed by our fear, our cowardice. All of those, all of those virtues work together wonderfully, all of those virtues work together wonderfully.

Speaker 1: 50:02

I know we only have a couple more minutes here before you got to go, George.

Speaker 3: 50:05

I'm actually good to go a little bit longer if you want to. Awesome, I got him all psyched up.

Speaker 2: 50:12

He's ready to go. So, George, let me ask you.

Speaker 3: 50:30

So our show is really about building community, amongst men, to help them prepare for what's coming. So without revealing where, you live, do you? Carry a firearm every day? I do not. No, we're Can you yes?

Speaker 2: 50:37

What's stopping you?

Speaker 3: 50:39

Can you? Yes, what's stopping you? I live in a really good small town. Now to your point. This is something that I need to take strides towards doing, but at present I'm in one of the best cities in America as far as that goes.

Speaker 2: 51:02

Is it a homogenous community? It is, yeah. So I would enjoy the time that you have in that community now, while you can. But my piece of advice because I've lived in some really good areas and I've lived in some really bad areas that may be something that you want to look at right, or at least get training with something. Maybe you don't carry every day, but because that is a, it's a perishable skill even for me.

Speaker 2: 51:45

I'm blessed I have land here I can shoot on whenever I want, but that's a recent development for me, that's only over the last few years. Prior to that I had to get to the range to be able to do it. That was a hard task with three infants at home pretty much, and then my wife working at the same time. You know is real hard to do and you know shooting is a very perishable skill. If you don't shoot often you will lose it, and so I would encourage you to consider taking that a little bit more seriously, and I think you you know, by your community it's kind of made you a little lax, as it should, right, because you're you're where we should be.

Speaker 2: 52:29

I shouldn't have to carry a firearm, right. In fact, tomorrow I'm taking the family on a trip tomorrow that's about an hour and a half away, into a large city, and the basis of me really going and taking off the day of work is because I don't like my wife being over there by herself with the kids, right, and so I have to be there to make sure that they're okay. You know, but that's not how we should be living. We should be living like you are, where you don't have to worry about these things because you live in a really good community. But those eventually go away and as things are starting to deteriorate and collapse, that may be a consideration for you and I'd be happy to answer any questions you have. If you have any, or if you've got a local guy that knows more than me, you know, talk to him about it. But if you were to carry, what would you carry?

Speaker 3: 53:35

Here I would defer to you. What should I be looking to carry?

Speaker 1: 53:42

Biggest thing you can old.

Speaker 2: 53:43

You're a pretty big guy, though, right, you're decently tall I can handle. Yeah, I can handle yeah, so, uh, yeah, I mean anything full size would be good for you. Um, you know I nice something reliable. Yeah, bread is you can't go around the bread.

Speaker 2: 54:01

No, um, okay oldest firearm manufacturer in the world, and they're catholic too really no nice yeah, you can't go around the bread and do not listen to any veteran who tells you not to get a bread because they got the bread. That is about 30 years old and it was used to beat in tent spikes and and other things, right, so you can't trust a veteran with their Beretta. Uh, being a veteran, right, I know I've had those horrible Berettas and went on deployment with them. Um, but buying, you know, berettas are a very good one. Um, I've, I mean, I, I carry Glock sometimes. Um, now, but I've transitioned to more of a single-action, double-action pistol Just because I shoot really good with it. The trigger is so much better in it I can hit a headshot from 50 yards away. That's a skill I've had to develop. Um, so, with, with where you live, in the community you live in, um, what do you do, you and your guys do y'all do any type of martial arts boxing, wrestling, jujitsu?

Speaker 3: 55:10

yeah, so we had this, this great based local gym, independent gym, and it was a wonderful place, but the music just got out of control.

Speaker 1: 55:26

Like degenerate.

Speaker 3: 55:27

Yeah, yeah, and you know it really hit me. I guess I've been getting more sensitive to music because I've gotten older, but you know that mystical song about shake your ass. But watch yourself, um, the first line in that song, uh, you might be familiar with this or not, but the first line is I came here with my dick in my hands and, uh, when I heard them, like what the hell are we doing?

Speaker 1: 55:55

sounds like they were carrying a P320.

Speaker 3: 56:07

So at that point my friends and I decided that we were going to transition out of that gym and we built a really really solid garage setup in my garage and it's also. So we've got a couple, we've got three squat racks actually, but we've also made it into a kickboxing gym. So I've got a friend who was an amateur boxer and we do some training in that and, to your point, you had mentioned earlier getting a heavy bag. It's an utterly transformative piece of equipment. When you learn to hit that thing well, you really awaken energies within that you I certainly hadn't known were there, um, so so that's what we're working on my uh, my friends and I are also big into local politics and trying to get on city project and the. The barriers to entry are are pretty high especially. You know they're probably higher in other places too, but that's one of the places where I think guys have to be spending a little bit more of their energy.

Speaker 2: 57:36

Yeah, yeah, we uh. I live in a pretty small town here. I think we have like 7 000 people in this town and uh, we just had a mayoral election and uh, one of the guys running for the for mayor, um, for mayor, um, what during the? It wasn't a debate, it was like a, like a platform. Everybody kind of say what their platform is, um, and uh, he's an old guy, he's probably in his, you know, late 60s, and I say, oh, you know late 60s, early 70s, and uh, when he got done, I and it's just kind of, I guess of the, the life that he lives, but I guess he's an old party guy, you know, and running for mayor. And as he got done with his platform which was ridiculous he did the crip, walk back to his chair Like brother, you're 68 and white, what are we doing? And then to come to find out of like a thousand people who voted, he got like 28 votes, um, and I'm like man, 28 people voted for that guy like this is probably like all his party buddies, but like he still got 28 votes, I can't believe that that's wild. Uh, but we had young guys running for a lot of the city council. We had an 18 year old running for city council and he's in a runoff with the incumbent. Uh, now, and we have to, we have to go vote again.

Speaker 2: 59:07

I'm thinking like next week, um, and so, like it is, if you're in a small town, it is very easy uh, I don't say very, it is easier to get involved with local politics than a lot of other areas, because you might have to get in. If you live in a larger area or a larger city, you might have to get in through adjacent ways, like you know, volunteer on the board of the library or something, and then you get known there and then now you're well, now I'm going to run for you know, you know whatever the animal control officer or whatever, right. And then you kind of work your way up from there. Because if you're not, if you're not getting involved with local politics, you're basically saying I'm okay with whatever happens, right, because your vote is one person and it's not going to be enough to make a change. And if you're not getting involved with our principles and our faith to redirect things to where they should be, then you have no really right to complain as much. You can complain a little bit, but only a little bit.

Speaker 1: 1:00:21

It doesn't have to be even running for office or anything like that, especially in smaller communities. Just develop relationships with those on the city council or school board or mayor or whatever, and influence that way. Here in our little small town, which is like 1500, you know, the city just built a brand new playground for kids and we were there the day they opened with my kids, and our state here, of course, legalized cannabis I'm not sure how long ago, but as my kids are playing, um, we could smell weed because there were some parents there smoking it and um, I actually uh the house we rent, we rent from the, uh the mayor. So my uh, I uh, we just texted the mayor and told her and next thing, I know like after the next city council meeting, a new city ordinance comes out.

Speaker 3: 1:01:20

So really, yeah, it was nice kind of nice actually you know another.

Speaker 3: 1:01:25

Another possibility is, just to your point, rob, about forming relationships also, developing uh response, developing response networks, building up a coalition of informed and concerned people to spread the word when there's a big issue coming up and all of your county commissioners need to be informed, like a mass email campaign. Like you know, a mass email campaign we had. We had an issue here where the uh, the county commissioners voted to back a bond for a quote mental health provider you know who is really big on lgbt stuff and dei and basically this was going to put our county taxpayers on the hook for this. If this organization couldn't make their mortgage payments, the county was going to be on the hook. This was a really bad deal, just on top of this, in an upcoming election. So that was a lot. I mean, it took a lot of time and it took a lot of effort, but those are the kinds of things that are possible when you get involved.

Speaker 1: 1:03:18

Absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 1:03:20

Absolutely. Yeah, I just uh. I I've been big on building community, you know, and and I try and stress that to a lot of guys in our parish because we'll have new guys come to the you know, like this Sunday we went to an early mass so we didn't see, but apparently our normal high mass was busting at the seams.

Speaker 2: 1:03:42

Oh, nice. And the issue we always have when we have new people come to the Latin Mass is they're like well, you know, nobody really reached out to me, nobody really, you know, welcomed us in. And you know from myself, if I see somebody new, I'm trying to talk to them right after mass, not talking to you in the same way we're not talking to you in church. I'll talk to you after mass, out on the lawn as everybody's leaving, you know. But a lot of these guys, they want everything to be brought to them. They want, you know, programs and Bible studies and everything already set up so they can just kind of sleep, sneak in the back, sit in the back seat, not really be involved. They don't really want to commit Right, because the, you know they want to be able to leave whenever they want. Because there's, there's a lack of of commitments. I don't even know if that's a word, but I just made it up. So now it is, you know, a lack of commitment amongst people. Now because they want to.

Speaker 2: 1:04:41

We have been given so many choices that you can choose whenever, not, you know? Like you pull up netflix, you can literally watch anything you want and you have a, you know analysis, paralysis, basically, uh, and we see that in the in, in mass as well, with people who show up and I tell guys all the time what I mean and I'm actually able to talk to them. You have to put into this community, because I can't tell you how many people we see come to mass and we see them like twice and they never come back. We'll say hi to you, we'll find out where you're from. Then, when you start coming back, you're going to have more people talking to you.

Speaker 2: 1:05:12

But you have to put back into the community. You have to give some of yourself as well. Right, you have to help out with things when we do potluck, right, you need to be helping, you know, clean up afterwards as well, because this isn't, you know, this isn't just somewhere where you just take all the time. You know we have to build this community and I think that's why our parish does so well, because we have a phenomenal community. And it's weird to me because thought all light masses had this. We have people come visit us all the time from light masses, like I can't believe how good y'all's community are. Like, isn't everybody like this, like you know, and I was just kind of shocked by that. But we we have made it a point to build this community and welcome everybody in. That we can. But it's also a matter of you have to put out as well.

Speaker 3: 1:05:57

You can't just take all the time, and hopefully that changes here soon and hopefully much more people are willing to commit to something a little bit more than a single serve use of that event or parish or whatever it is. Yeah, I mean, it really seems like it's it's no accident that those people, those newcomers, are, uh, eager to receive, eager to be accommodated. As you were saying, they have been specifically trained to be that way. That is, they have been specifically trained to be that way that is. That is how modern, enlightened, consumeristic society has has made us to be. So a new mode of living is going to be tough for a lot of people, but it's absolutely crucial for building anything worthwhile.

Speaker 2: 1:07:02

Yeah, we have specifically chosen to live the way we do, even though it's harder. Right, I live on a little farm. We've got cows and pigs and chickens, and it's been really hard the past few days because my pigs keep getting out and it's annoying to get those guys back in. And it's even more annoying because we haven't had any rain in like three or four weeks, so the ground's super hard, um, which means our electric fence doesn't ground very well, so they just lift up the fence and shoot on out and then, all of a sudden, I have no chicken feeding left, because they had all the chicken feed and they're all fat and happy laying next to the chicken feeder.

Speaker 1: 1:07:42

Um well, then they can't be that hard to catch.

Speaker 2: 1:07:46

Yeah, you ever picked up a pig. You better do it with some, with some ear protection. It's horrible, uh, but we chose to live this way, even though, man, it would be so easy just to live in the suburb and, you know, watch the games on Saturday and take the kids, drop them off at public school all the time and not really worry about things. Uh, but I just it. We did. In fact, we did that for a little bit, and when we first got married, we first had kids and we didn't like the way the world was going and we wanted to change it and how we are living. And so we specifically, you know, we homeschool the kids. Now I think it is a derelict of parents to put your children in in public school, especially now, especially with. We've seen how many teachers are getting fired for their jobs the past five days for being happy on social media that Charlie Kirk was murdered. How many of those are teachers at public schools?

Speaker 1: 1:08:57

It's in the thousands, and that's just the ones that said Is it just Adrian, George? Are you still there? I can hear you. Adrian's got some iffy internet on that small phone.

Speaker 2: 1:09:21

Man, the demons don't like it, but it is a derelict to send your kids for someone else to put their values in them for 8 hours a day and then you get them for 2 hours before dinner and maybe an hour after dinner before they go to bed. Right, and with what we've seen, I think we all have to make those hard choices to value after dinner before they go to bed. And with what we've seen, I think we all have to make those hard choices to value the good as opposed to the easy.

Speaker 3: 1:09:48

Yeah, amen absolutely.

Speaker 2: 1:09:52

Well, George, if you don't mind, let's see if we got some questions for anybody for you.

Speaker 1: 1:09:57

We did have a couple already that were let's see if we got some questions for anybody for you. We did have a couple already that were let's see here this is the one I've seen so far. Can you comment on daryl cooper that's martyr made podcast? For anyone who doesn't know, daryl cooper's tweet that if his son ever did something he couldn't live with like with the Charlie Kirk shooter he never turned him in but would take him camping and, quote unquote, take care of it.

Speaker 3: 1:10:26

Oh boy, starting with the easy ones here, I mean I guess my first thought is that loving somebody is when you love somebody. You do want justice for them, and if they have done ill, like if they have done ill, justice is a. It's not punishment, is not just punishment, it's also helping them to see the error in their ways and be made to feel some pain so that they come to see what they did in a different light. Gosh, so I can assume that Cooper would make a really good argument for his course of action, but my thought would be that this kid should face the consequences and a loving parent should see to it. I don't know, I got to think about it more. What do you guys think of that? I don't know, I got to think about it more.

Speaker 1: 1:12:00

What do you guys think of that? Obviously, I don't know. I didn't see if he made further argument on that, but I would imagine like the only thing I could see justifying that sort of action is the idea that the American justice system and prison system doesn't really usually lead to true justice or true, you know, retribution, things of that nature. You know, someone entering the prison system isn't usually the most likely to repent of their sins. Now, those facing the death penalty usually do repent of their sins at a much higher rate. But even then in the American justice system you're going to be sitting on death row for 20, 30 years and that's a lot of extra time to commit more sin potentially. You know, if it was a case of a quick and speedy trial and punishment, that would be one thing, um, but that that's not the case we have. But does that justify that sort of action? I I don't know if it. I don't know if it does I.

Speaker 2: 1:13:14

I wonder what he means by take care of it. Like you know, in the Marines, if I had a Lance corporal that was being out of line, we took him to the wood line and we corrected it, right, that way he wouldn't have a permanent record. You know, following him everywhere, right, you know, taking him camping and taking care of it. You know, taking him camping and taking care of it, like is he insinuating that he would take his own child's life? Like it'd be much easier for me to turn my child in than to kill my child, you know. But to both of y'all's point, where does the restorative justice come in? Because, as've seen, where, in you know, with arena, that guy was released 14 times oh he, he was released again, by the way oh, yeah, and and and.

Speaker 2: 1:14:12

Then we have the anakin skywalker meme to it. Right, good, I'm glad they let him out. But you know, like, for instance, in the founding of this country, um, the death penalty was proposed that the only way that you could sentence someone to death if the, if they had, if there were three eyewitnesses to the crime, and that's extremely hard and it's an extremely high bar. Even though the Lord gives the authority to the government to exact the death penalty, the founders even saw this can be abused very easily. Um, you know, but now we're at the other end of where we don't. We are not a good and moral people, um, as was intended, uh, by the founders. And you know, maybe we're in a situation where we should be exacting the death penalty for more things than what we have.

Speaker 2: 1:15:17

I don't, i't, like this is not something I've really sat down and and properly thought out. But you know, the the issue with the death penalty is, even if you're on death row for 20 or 30 years, um, you know, there have been instances where guys have gotten or escaped from death row and killed more people. Yes, yeah, right. So now, because we were unwilling to exact the justice that was due. More people lost their lives, um, or even someone in jail who you know was attacked by someone in death row and, you know, maybe they're just in there for a white-collar crime and now they're dead, um because, you know, this dangerous convict got access to them for whatever reason. So for me, if they were my son and he did that horrible thing, um, I would probably do what the dad did in charlie kirk. I would make him turn himself in um and I would ensure that he does it um, and then let the justice system go where it goes and hopefully my son understands the wrong of what he did.

Speaker 3: 1:16:30

At the very least, if he is as unwell as this guy has to be, as this guy has to be, he needs to be restrained so that he can't do anything like this again. I mean to your point, adrian. First things first. We need to take him out of a position where he could ever continue on with this kind of behavior. That would be the most immediate benefit of turning the kid in.

Speaker 2: 1:17:08

At what point do we stop blaming things on mental health and just call it evil?

Speaker 3: 1:17:13

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:17:14

Right, not everything is because you had a chemical imbalance, right. Sometimes you're just evil and the justice needs to be met out to remove that evil. You know, I think we've been. We are a country that has been developed to be ruled by affluent white women, suburban affluent white women, who are just want everybody to be their friend and they never want to cause any type of controversy or any kind of conflict, and so they perpetuate these things and we just need to call it for what it is it's just evil and it needs to be removed.

Speaker 3: 1:17:58

Yeah, do you think disordered is a little bit too much of a scholarly term? That was the word that came to my mind.

Speaker 2: 1:18:12

He's hopelessly disordered. Well, I think disordered could be an appropriate term, depending on what it is for him. You know, for Tyler Robinson, I don't think it's a matter of disorder. He he was raised in a family with everything he he he would have needed and he started making decisions based on the kind of life he wanted to live.

Speaker 1: 1:18:31

To be fair, though, it doesn't have to be, like a, a medical disorder, it can be you know, like-sex attraction ritual disorder right, like same-sex attraction is a disorder, right?

Speaker 2: 1:18:42

that's. That's why previously in canon law, if you had same-sex attraction you were not allowed to serve as a priest at all because you were disordered in your thinking. You cannot come back from that right there's. You can never be have an ordered way of thinking, um, when you have the. And as we know now, most people who have same-sex attraction suffer some type of abuse earlier in life by a parent or a close loved one. It was either verbal, sexual, emotional, some type of abuse, and you know that leaves a stain on most people that it takes a lifetime to try and correct and most people can never do it because it's so disruptive. But I think disordered is on the same level as ecumenical right. We use it as like a soft squishy word in order to right. We use it as like a soft squishy word in order to, uh, categorize things that we don't want to accurately define.

Speaker 3: 1:19:52

Yeah, yeah, the, uh, the. The language here, as in so many cases, has been kind of rigged against us and to your point. We've been trained to talk about this in therapeutic terms, clinical terms, when there's something much more immediate and disturbing going on.

Speaker 2: 1:20:14

Yeah, all right. Do we have another question? Rob um, I'm looking here.

Speaker 1: 1:20:24

Uh, none that I can see right now.

Speaker 2: 1:20:34

Well, george, uh, why don't you tell us what you got going on, do you? I know you're, you're big, you're good on substack. Um, I subscribe to substack again, by the way. Um right I, I have a theory, I have a practice that I always support the homies and uh, so I I try and uh, patron, you know all the guys that are doing good out there and I think you're doing a lot of good. I know you've got the sub stack and you're on x a lot.

Speaker 3: 1:21:03

Um, I heard you mentioned that you're coming out with the second edition of your book yeah, um, writing a book is such a fascinating and bewildering and uh trying thing to do, um, that you know. And then, once the book is out there, it is a it's, it's separate from from you and, um, you, you reread certain passages and you're not quite good with that passage anymore. So my, my, my thoughts developed a little bit and I want to, I want to polish up a few things. So I'm working on, piece by piece, getting a second edition ready I think it'll be good.

Speaker 2: 1:21:51

I think a lot of guys, um, I think a lot more are going to want to read it now, um, and I think it'll do a lot of good. You know, one of the first shows we did was going over Rick Barrett's book, the Armed Catholic, and providing a lot of documentation and background for, you know, proper use of self-defense in our faith and the way that our church teaches it in our faith and the way that our church teaches it. But I think, you know, your book is a lot more in line to get us all on the same level of thinking and to try and bust that rust off of this pacifistic Catholicism that we are all raised in and steeped in, and to kind of bust out of that shell into the more robust, assertive Catholicism that you know, our past patrons of the faith participated in, participated in. Uh, we didn't get a lot into, uh, the talk about.

Speaker 2: 1:23:01

I wanted to talk about raymond ibrahim, um, because you and I both have a a love for his writing. Um, he's great, he, yeah. Well, I'm gonna try and see if I can blackmail him into coming on, um, but, uh, but I think, uh, I think the next time we have you on assuming, assuming you liked being on this time.

Speaker 3: 1:23:19

Yeah, indeed, love to be back.

Speaker 2: 1:23:22

You know we'll talk about the crusades because I think that will really tie in to you know this in a kind of like a part two to this show of you know where, where our history is and where the men that really symbolized. You know where we want to be and without the, the LARP of you know Protestants and their crusader patches and desires to be like where, where those men actually were in their faith and where what they did about the oncoming onslaught of whether it be Islam or or whatever. But I think that'll be the next time we have you on. I'd love to talk to you and get your thoughts on that.

Speaker 1: 1:24:08

We. We did get three questions.

Speaker 2: 1:24:10

Of course we did, cause I started closing him out.

Speaker 1: 1:24:13

I know Right.

Speaker 2: 1:24:14

So we have we have three.

Speaker 1: 1:24:16

These are the last three.

Speaker 2: 1:24:16

I'm trying to be sensitive of your time, George. No, no.

Speaker 1: 1:24:19

I'm good these are the last three we're going to take everyone. Let's get to them. We'll just see which one came first. Crash Cannon Chris, over at Crash Cannon, there's a huge difference between criticizing ideas and celebrating assassination. What are our opinions on the firings of the people who have celebrated it? Do we all think it's just.

Speaker 3: 1:24:50

I liked that Daniel McCarthy tweet About precisely that point that there is a massive difference Between canceling somebody for being against same-sex marriage versus somebody who is baying for blood, like some of these people are. And I mean especially when we're talking about if these people are like in the health care industry. If this is how they feel, can they be trusted to provide care to somebody who comes in who likes charlie kirk a lot? Um, I mean, what if I go?

Speaker 1: 1:25:32

in for a surgery with my scapula. You know, like, like are they going to let me die on the table if you're an organ donor, they will we, we've tried to do things the the moderate way, we've tried to go the route of civility.

Speaker 3: 1:25:52

we've tried to never, ever turn up the temperature, um, because you know what, if the roles were reversed and all of that stuff, and gosh, it just hasn't worked out that well for us. So, uh, I'm not, I'm not sure exactly what the specifics are, but a much more vigorous approach is going to have to be required. And, jesse, maybe Jesse, jesse Kelly's tweet was really clutch. He said, and he's he's being very cheeky, but he says if the task before Donald Trump right now is to avert a violent right wing revolution which is going to arise in anger and smash the left, and you would do that by actually being responsible and putting down, uh, these threats as prudence necessitates, and if you don't do that, you're actually you're you're playing with fire.

Speaker 1: 1:26:57

Yeah, yeah, you with fire. Yeah, yeah, you really are.

Speaker 2: 1:27:04

It reminds me of the Norm Macdonald quote. What concerns me, like if ISIS got a nuke. Yeah, if ISIS got a nuke, how many poor Muslims would be persecuted because of you know? Whatever it was, you guys just we're in a Well, they detonated it in a major metropolitan area and killed 50,000 people.

Speaker 1: 1:27:28

How many poor.

Speaker 3: 1:27:28

Muslims would be persecuted. The backlash it's going to be.

Speaker 1: 1:27:32

And I think we're.

Speaker 2: 1:27:36

I think the right has had an issue of well, if we do this, and when they're in power, they're going to do even worse, like they've already done it you know, they've already shown what they're willing like. Do y'all remember covid? Like how many grandmothers died in the hospital and no one could be there with them and hold their hand right because they just made rules up, because they talked about it at a cocktail party while it was going on, getting someone fired for reveling and threatening more violence. In fact, you're not firing that person.

Speaker 1: 1:28:10

You're just letting an employer know what was said in public.

Speaker 2: 1:28:14

This is the person that is representing your company. Do you want to be represented by this person? Right, there's that woman. She's on tiktok, she's got like 600 000 views and her husband owns an electric company electrical uh service company and, uh, his business is doing poorly. He had to take his website down. Um, he's had people come to his business, you know, asking him if his wife is representative of his business, and I'm sure he's losing business.

Speaker 2: 1:28:43

But those are the consequences of being so free on social media. I get a little fiery sometimes on X, but I just want to let you all know the stuff, stuff that comes on x. It made it past my filter imagine the stuff that doesn't make it past my filter, right, and I came back, okay, um, but I have to be measured because, like, I'm not representing anybody but I'm representing myself and I'm gonna be held account for every word I say, and so I have to be very cautious of what I say. And these people, just they've they've lived in such a time of impunity where they don't have to worry about their actions, because they've always had overwatch by the government, right, because they're, they have the acceptable opinion by the people in power. And now they don't, and they're shocked that they are receiving the same uh responsibility or the same actions that we did for five years.

Speaker 1: 1:29:47

I saw a funny tweet about that. It was uh, the, the liberals, uh, opsec is so poor because they're not they're not used to having to watch their back that it's like an uncontacted tribe getting one-shotted by smallpox Not scary, yeah. So we have a couple more here. Okay, I'm a melancholic as well Well, melancholic, phlegmatic. I'm a melancholic as well, well, melancholic, phlegmatic. But so if you have a melancholic, choleric temperament, how do you not fall to the worst extremes of each one being cold and emotionless, ruthless and wrathful, but the other being tepid? I mean, I think this could. How do we not fall to any of our temperaments like worse, you know worse?

Speaker 2: 1:30:42

sides man.

Speaker 2: 1:30:43

So when it comes to the temperaments, you're meant to progress out of those into into kind of the opposite temperament eventually, right, like I'm choleric, sanguine, whatever it is my wife knows these way better than I do, um, but, uh, and people are like you're a cleric, yeah, and I saw that I can figure that out, but uh, my, you know my issues that I've had to work on is empathy for people, um, because you know I'm I'm very cold and calculating about things, and because I'm very cold and calculating about things and I've had to learn and having children has done that right and so I've had to learn to not be as black and white with things, especially when it comes to my kids, which has made me a better husband as well, because that translates into how I relate to my wife.

Speaker 2: 1:31:40

But what you need is a good set of friends that are going to tell you the truth to your face, and you have to be okay with that. And you have to be okay with being offended by your friends, because if you don't have anybody that's willing to tell you something that's hard for you to hear, you don't have any friends. You have acquaintances that you see probably a little bit more frequently than you probably need to. You need to develop relationships with people and be vulnerable enough with people where they are able to tell you when you're being a jerk right or help you talk these things out. If you don't have those yet, you need to find those men and surround yourself with those men who you want to be more like, and start to put yourself into their circle of influence so that they are willing to give their self to you a little bit Friendship is always a good answer.

Speaker 1: 1:32:43

It's been an answer to a few of the questions tonight. So it's something that when it comes to politics or temperament, or yeah, so much, is based on friendship or helped by friendship and fraternity in general. So the last one I said we'd get to is is very disappointed in most of the bishops on addressing the assassination of Charlie Kirk. This person lives in Oklahoma city and his bishop has said nothing and kind of just to add to that is I think it was on day four after George Floyd, the USCCB, put out a statement and today is the fourth day it might have been yesterday since the assassination of Charlie Kirk and other than Bishop Barron and, I think, bishop who's in Arlington, burbridge, something like that, right. So there have been a good couple bishops that have put out really good statements, but for the most part it's been nothing. So what do you guys think about that?

Speaker 2: 1:34:02

I'm so jaded I don't expect my bishop to put anything out One, it's not going to affect me whatsoever if he does or doesn't. But you also have to realize a lot of these guys were elevated to bishop because they have no backbone. They're, yes, men. A lot of these guys were, were elevated to bishop because they have no backbone, right, they're, yes, men. A lot of them, um and?

Speaker 2: 1:34:21

But the other side of it is what do you expect them to say that you know your priest already isn't going to say, if you go to a good parish, you know, and and so would I like them to say something. Yes, maybe you know, it would be nice for for at least to show sympathy for the family, right, and to pray for and to implore all of us to pray for his, his soul. But the other end of it is like what, why do? Why would we expect that of him? Is he he? He wasn't Catholic, right, and I know there's a lot of rumors out there about where he was in his faith. I think Candace Owens had some stuff to say today as well. I haven't watched any of that, but as far as we know, he'd ever made a profession of faith as a Catholic, and so their their responsibility to say something. Lessons from there as well.

Speaker 2: 1:35:19

But I think you know, if they say anything, it's going to be about the violence. But they already deal with a lot of violence, because every one of these cities has a lot of violence already. Right, and so, especially if you live in a city, every city is a Democrat stronghold there's. I don't I can't even think of a republican city anymore, like a large city, like little townships and stuff, yeah, but um, so they're already dealing with massive amounts of violence all the time. What, I don't know what we expect them to say I think for me, it's not.

Speaker 1: 1:35:52

The issue I have isn't an expectation of them to say something on this, it's that they find the time and energy to say stuff on so much other crap right On climate change, on properly punishing criminals with just penalties like the death penalty and so-called gun violence, so on and so forth. You have bishops talking about anything and everything. Then you come to something like this and besides, you know, besides a few, they're quiet and, like you said, it's not that we should expect them to say something, it's that we, I think, need to expect them to say less about other things.

Speaker 3: 1:36:36

Yeah, Can you imagine what a moment this would be if the church actually had its act together?

Speaker 1: 1:36:43

well uh I want to.

Speaker 3: 1:36:48

It's actually worse than just them speaking out in sympathy for george floyd. Do you remember when that uh lgbtqia plus group in los angeles? The little sisters of whatever the the ones?

Speaker 3: 1:37:08

that did the thing at the dodger game yeah, yeah, so there was, there was an organization or there was an attempt to organize a march by Catholics that was going to start at the cathedral, I think, and then go down to Dodger Stadium and they were trying to get the bishop involved and the bishop was unwilling to take a side in that dispute. Yeah, I mean, that's, that's, that's just it's, it's so, it's so wild yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:37:44

Well, and there was the situation in Phoenix, arizona, where they say the black mass was going to be said and the bishop there pulled all his support from the Catholics there that were kind of protesting it right, and like jesse romero had to go there and he, he, you know, he tried to try to do the politician thing and trying to, you know like, oh, you know, he had, you know, his uh, auxiliary bishop was here and you know, but he pulled that, you know, that support. Like Imagine if we had one bishop, and we did, and they removed him. But if we had one bishop that was willing to stand up no matter what and say what we all want a Catholic bishop of the Spahn to say, but we had that and they removed him. So now that makes the rest of the spine to say, right, but we've, but we had that and they removed them, right.

Speaker 2: 1:38:40

So now that makes the rest of the bishops who would do that, because what they're doing is they're doing internal calculus. They're doing like, well, I can do more good by staying here and keeping my head down and helping my people here than providing, you know, a figurehead for a, a robust faith, right, um, and that's the, that's the calculation they're doing, but I think what they're missing is how much influence that bishop that that got taken down, bishop strickland had and still has, even though he doesn't have a diocese right, and if we had another one that stood up and he got taken down for it, like people are going to start noticing and courage is contagious, and once they start seeing, and once one more and one more bishop does it, then eventually we will see many more people willing to put themselves on the line, regardless of the consequences and if we look at history like it's, and if we look at history like it's, in almost any situation in the past it's very rarely been bishops that have stood up and led the way Right.

Speaker 1: 1:39:48

It's almost always a monk or, you know, a parish priest or something like that, or even Joan of Arc. You know you didn't have bishops necessarily going out and preaching the crusade. There was St Bernard of Claveau and things of that nature. So bishops I mean I'm not going to say that we don't have especially bad bishops now, because I think we have historically bad bishops in the church, but they've always kind of been, like you said, adrian, kind of just calculating company men, a sense, you know, to maintaining the status quo, whatever that status quo is at the time.

Speaker 3: 1:40:23

Yep, one thing that strikes me that I want to do is I need to identify all of the good, hardline priests on Twitter and put together a list and then try to make sure that their voices are amplified so that we at the very least hear from priests who aren't on board with the agenda, let's put it so.

Speaker 2: 1:40:56

I'm going to try and get to work on that the next couple days, I think the issue that you're going to find with that is, um, some of those priests like I can think of, like father darren schmidt, right, who is just rock solid, and, um, you know, father david x, right, these are all priests who are, uh, very willing to sacrifice themselves for the good of the faith, um.

Speaker 2: 1:41:24

But when we start in some of these guys you're going to find, unfortunately, when they do start getting highlighted and they are kind of promoted, um, and they're getting a bigger audience and they're getting more criticism, um, they're you're going to start seeing some some compromising made, uh, cause it got a little bit bigger than they wanted to be, right, um, and so hopefully, um, that doesn't happen. But I just, you know human nature what it is. You know people are much more willing to say what they want to say if they're anonymous, uh, but once they have to take responsibility for their what they've said, um, they usually tone it down quite a bit more, um. So I just be prepared that, uh, you may get some some dms, you know, like, if some of those guys start getting some promotion from much bigger accounts fair point much bigger accounts Fair point.

Speaker 2: 1:42:22

All right. Is that all the questions we have for George?

Speaker 1: 1:42:25

A couple others have come in, so it all depends on how much.

Speaker 2: 1:42:29

I don't want to hold you, brother. If you want to go, you can go. I know some of these people have some questions about firearms and stuff like that. Someone was asking about Kirk, if he was actually wearing body armor or not. Earlier I saw that question.

Speaker 1: 1:42:45

There was that. There was how to talk to your priest about security teams, things like that.

Speaker 2: 1:42:51

You're more than welcome to hang out, brother, if you want to, if you want to go, it's great too. It's been good talking to you. We'll answer some of these questions that. That way we're not going to be here all night, because I know a lot of people don't have a lot of, they don't have anybody else to ask these questions, of sure right, and so I try and give what experience I have, um, and if I don't know, then you know I direct them somewhere that has better information than I do.

Speaker 3: 1:43:17

um, but let's go ahead and pull those up I should, I should run here. Uh, I want to thank you, though it's been a pleasure I'd love to come back on yeah, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2: 1:43:28

You are welcome back anytime. You got something on your mind, you want to pop on and talk to us?

Speaker 1: 1:43:33

let me know we'll have to give you the lovely experience of talking with Anthony sometime too.

Speaker 3: 1:43:38

All right.

Speaker 2: 1:43:42

Looking forward to it. All right, george, take care of yourself, brother.

Speaker 3: 1:43:44

Thanks guys, God bless.

Speaker 1: 1:43:46

You too. Thank you, Let me change this around real quick. Okay, I didn't really start too many other ones, I got one here, so we'll just start with this one. How do we practically move toward a solution without vigilante violence? Political situation is hopeless. Things are only getting worse.

Speaker 1: 1:44:16

Okay, I guess for me it depends on what you mean by the political situation. Are we going to vote our way out of this during the midterms of the next presidential election? No, so I don't know if the American political system has a solution here, but there are political actions we can take. There are political actions we can, we can take and you get. I mean, politics is, is basically just how you put your values in action and like out in the public sphere, you know. So informing an employer about one of their employees saying something isn't a sense like it is a political action. You know, bearing down these, these, these leftist organizations even. You know, extra judiciously if necessary, or extra constitutionally if necessary, I mean, is that outside of the American political system? Yeah, sure, but it is maybe part of a political solution.

Speaker 2: 1:45:26

Sure, but it is maybe part of a political solution. I think in a lot of aspects we are past the political solution. This is a spiritual issue more than anything. As far as vigilante justice, when it comes to a situation, what's called WROL, without rule of law, the history, basically the previous patterns that happens is anytime that a authority is unable to exert its force out to enforce laws, you start getting into the settling of scores. So if you live in a small town and the police aren't able to respond to you because you know they're locked up, you know, with some other situation on the other side of town, you're going to see people. You know, if they, if they think there aren't going to be any consequences or very low chance of them being caught, you're going to see people start to settle those scores with people that may have wronged them 20 years ago.

Speaker 2: 1:46:28

And so, as far as what do we do? Vengeance is not ours, vengeance is the Lord's. All you can do is protect yourself and your family. Now, the thing that I've been kicking around in my head is like, well, how far out right. So, for example, when the COVID stuff was going on and they were, you know, taking kids away from parents for not getting the COVID shot or, in some states, if you don't affirm your child's transition, they are now a ward of the state. At what point do we accept or like how far out do they have to be before we start to do something right?

Speaker 2: 1:47:05

so if we, if we think of like a, a tangible situation, right, do I wait for someone who's at the end of my 100 yard driveway before they get on my property before I do something? Or do I wait till they're on my doorstep right, um, or do I stop them before they even leave city hall? So at what point? And I think once there's the eminence of the situation, then you're responsible to act I agree in in all those questions.

Speaker 1: 1:47:34

I mean, those are, those are prudential matters, that you're the only one that that can decide those. You know, not even, not even a, you know, a priest can maybe give you the moral guidelines, but but at that point you're, you're beyond that and you're you're making prudential decisions as the situation dictates and you just gotta, you got, just gotta go with the best you can.

Speaker 2: 1:47:55

I guess yeah, I've talked about this with other guys. You know, cause, like doing what I did in the Marines and um, you know, basically you know where I'm at now. I'm on like five lists, I have to be right, you know, um, and I'm probably on another one now cause I'm on a show. But, um, a hundred percent, I have especially this show. How many feds are watching right now? Not fed posting, um.

Speaker 2: 1:48:27

So the one thing that I've kind of inculcated my family in is one day dad might not be in here any longer because he had to do something to protect the family, right. One day dad might not be here anymore because they took him away for having the wrong opinion. And getting my family understanding of that, like, look, if that happens, know that it's God's will and I will try to suffer the best I can and offer up that suffering, but I will protect y'all with my life or going to prison, no matter what, right? And then it's a situation there of like, hopefully my community kicks in and helps with my family. But, you know, just getting your family understanding of what you're willing to do, because nothing scares me more than my son seeing me in a situation where I should have done something and I didn't right, or seeing dad um refuse to put his life on the line for something. Now my son has a horrible opinion of me for the rest of his life and I'm not willing to do that at all.

Speaker 1: 1:49:45

Yeah, yeah, not late decisions that we have to think about and prepare for and prepare our families for Yep. Um, one of the other questions I saw and you had mentioned it earlier is, um, the the possibility of of charlie wearing some sort of ballistic protection, whether that, um, yeah, that caused a potential ricochet. I know you had texted me the day of because a very frame by frame close-up showed what maybe looked like it could be a ricochet. Now at that point I hadn't seen like close-up photos of of what he had been wearing before. Um, I mean now, now we had talked on literally the previous show about different sort of ballistic protection and how, like a steel plate is really thin compared to, say, ceramic, but causes breakage Well, not falling but judging from the pictures I've seen of him on that day, to me it looked like he probably wasn't wearing anything. But I mean, what do you think?

Speaker 2: 1:51:02

So, as I started looking, because the first thing I saw when it, when the first angles came out, uh, the first thing I saw is it when they slowed it down, it looked like it hit like just below his clavicle, or at least you know somewhere.

Speaker 2: 1:51:13

And then he came up his neck, uh, and I was like man, I hope he wasn't wearing steel plates, because that's probably it ricocheted and went up into his neck. But to your point, when we saw pictures later of what he was actually wearing, like you could see the curvature of his back when he was, you know, slumped over, uh, talking to somebody, uh, or you could see his nipples through his shirt right, like you're not gonna see that with steel plates, um, so no, I I just think now, um, you know what, by what information I've been able to see, I think the shooter was aiming for his chest and was not a very good shot and got lucky him and the jugular.

Speaker 1: 1:51:52

I mean even and I discussed this with Anthony whenever that was, I mean that sort of rifle. It wasn wasn't, you know, and it was a pretty cheap 30-06. It really is what it looked like, with probably a pretty, pretty cheap scope. I mean even a perfect shot. You, at 200 yards, you're gonna you have at least four inches where that bullet could land.

Speaker 2: 1:52:15

so if you're aiming chest, I mean, yeah, you have I mean, yeah, very well, and if the rumors are true and the information is true that the the rifle was provided by someone else, he probably never zeroed that rifle himself true yeah, so it's probably zero.

Speaker 2: 1:52:32

To somebody else you know who may have longer arms or a different uh yeah, sight radius to the scope, right? Um, maybe he may have saw some shadowing of the scope or whatever and that may have affected it. But I mean 200 yards on a .30-06, I could teach my five-year-old to do that in about two hours. That's not a hard shot at all.

Speaker 1: 1:52:54

Honestly anything less than that with a .30-06,. You should look for a different caliber, probably.

Speaker 2: 1:52:59

Yeah, I know, the ballistics gel got and sent out. You know that's been good making the rounds. The one ian carroll posted yeah god, that guy's so dumb um, he really is not. He's so dumb he, um. That's not. Gel is a theatrical, dramatic way of showing bullets.

Speaker 1: 1:53:30

Right, it's not ballistically sound, right no, and it started off as as blocks of of just gelatin. Yeah, that would be used. I mean, I think it started with the FBI just to give a constant comparison right, A control for testing different rounds, and they determined that for the FBI anyways, their standard is between 12 and 18 inches of penetration and 80% ballistic gelatin is what they wanted. And 18 inches of penetration and 80% ballistic gelatin is what they wanted. But it is somewhat a substitute for kind of a human body. But a human body isn't consistent like ballistic gelatin is, and the way bullets work, especially um things like hollow points or soft tips. You know, and I don't know what sort of ammo this was used, but let's say if it was a hunting, it's like a soft tip hunting round.

Speaker 1: 1:54:31

When that round account uh encounters um fluid, whether it's it's it's water, blood, uh, um, just tissue in general is like 70 to 80% fluid. When it encounters fluid, that hydrostatic pressure causes that round to mushroom, to deform, to basically dump all its energy. There's a lot less of that, say, in a neck than there is in a skull with a brain. That's basically all fluid. So when you shoot in those ballistic skeletons, ballistic heads, right, they're basically filled with balloons with liquid in them. So when a bullet hits at it, that hydrostatic pressure dumps all the energy and you get that explosion, because fluid doesn't compress, Water doesn't compress, so when it gets that energy dumped into it it just explodes out, yeah, whereas the shot through a neck is gonna I mean, I'm no expert, but I would imagine it probably just largely slips through pretty easily yeah, and that's what we saw.

Speaker 2: 1:55:37

You know, and, uh, it depends on the, the ammunition. You know, as derek was saying, yes, it would go straight through and most, and I, I, the the ammunition. You know, as derek was saying, yes, it would go straight through and most, and I can't tell you how many times I've shot a deer with 30 out, six at closer than 100 yards, and it just zips right through them, right, and it's just. All you can see is a is a small hole.

Speaker 2: 1:55:55

When you finally found the deer, hopefully, if you shot him to the heart, right, um, and when it comes to something that's coming out that high velocity, um, especially going through the neck, because if you look at like your neck, you've got your. You know you got your carotid on one side, you got your jugular on the other side. You know they're basically shift, shifting blood one way or the other. Um, you know, if you're just basically going through like the pinch of the neck there, it's going to go right, especially if it's ball ammo, it's just going to zip right through. And I think the shooter got lucky and hit the jugular and that blood was just pumping. You saw it. When it hit, when the round went through it, pulled blood with it, but it just kept pumping out, so it couldn't you know I'm trying to think of where, how he was.

Speaker 1: 1:56:40

It was on his left side, so you know do you think what we saw was the entrance, or and I really I think he got shot from the right side and it came out and went out the left side.

Speaker 2: 1:56:52

Yeah, yeah, if it would make sense the way the shirt moved right and it kind of waved towards his right, his left side. I'm having to like put myself in his position. But yeah, and as far as well, I won't get into any of the cause, cause people have thrown out some wild conspiracies, like someone, like some people, trying to blame it on Nick Fuentes. That's insane. First of all, those people are not organized enough to do that, um, but second of all, I don't think any of those guys ever shot a gun. So there's there. There's a long history of john brown gun club. Redneck revolt, democrat socialists of america, like these are all organizations that are have have gone to the Middle East and trained with the Kurds, have gone to Ukraine and fought against the Russians and then come back to train other people how to fight as well. As the left has their own Green Berets and Deltas that are on their side.

Speaker 1: 1:57:59

There's a really You've seen that, with how many people in the military are getting fired over celebrating this 30 years ago. Instead of going over to Ukraine and training with the Kurds and stuff like that, it would have been, you know, getting training from moscow. I mean, and these are descendants of, of those same groups and organizations. You know that. Go back to the sivinese liberation army and, uh, the weather underground and things of that nature. They just, you know, now wear the furry suits instead of, uh, of hippie headbands.

Speaker 2: 1:58:42

What we haven't started to see a lot of is the improvised explosives. The Weather Underground was well known for that.

Speaker 1: 1:58:49

Yeah, that's true. 70s Liberation Army accidentally blew themselves up right Because of all the explosives they had.

Speaker 2: 1:58:57

So when that starts happening which we almost saw it the other day who knows if that was actual explosive or not but when that starts happening, because I saw a guy from the EOD out of West Virginia he's in like a reserve unit with the EOD and he was, you know, commenting on Charlie Kirk's assassination and was very happy that it happened, and this is a guy that works at the od, he knows how to build ieds right, and if that guy starts training other people how to do it right, how things are going to get bad, real bad. You start seeing car bombs and v-bids going off. You know, because you can't block a v-bid, even the, even the president has a hard time v-bid the vehicle born, improve the born ied. We saw it a lot in Afghanistan, a lot. That's why we had serpentine entrances to a lot of our bases to try and stop that. There's very little you can do. You have to try and identify it and that's about all you can do.

Speaker 1: 1:59:59

It's one of those things people on the left especially don't understand that even if you were somehow to make all 530 million firearms of this country disappear, I wouldn't make things like this better. It would probably make them worse because they would use other more violent means.

Speaker 2: 2:00:20

Well, and then if you took all the guns away, like the, criminals will still have guns, yeah, yeah, exactly because they. I mean, when's the last time a criminal followed the law like they? Just that's what, not what they're known for yeah and darlings, we haven't.

Speaker 1: 2:00:34

I mean, you're talking, you know vehicle-borne things, but they're getting training in ukraine and things like that things are gonna call a video of a fpv drone in ukraine.

Speaker 2: 2:00:52

This was six months ago and this thing travels at 200 miles an hour. You can't stop that. That thing's going to destroy whatever it wants to destroy.

Speaker 1: 2:00:57

You is too fast now with the, the fiber optic ones, you can't. You can't jam them or things that you know or use necessarily like electronic means to bring them down, because they're being controlled through a fiber optic wire.

Speaker 2: 2:01:13

Yeah, and really those are only good in open spaces, like if you live in a more wooded area you're a little safe from the fiber optic ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, cause like in in ukraine, you see fields and nothing but like fiber optic lines shimmering in the sunlight right everywhere, like man looks like a power line over a fishing pier, basically.

Speaker 1: 2:01:38

Um, what other questions did I see?

Speaker 2: 2:01:40

uh, I want to do this one real quick okay, um, I think pope francis was a stumbling block for a lot of people.

Speaker 2: 2:01:49

I think pope francis was a stumbling block for a lot of catholics well, charlie, charlie's done an interview with with uh tucker, even publicly yeah, and, and I get that, you know, and now that francis is no longer here, we have a new pope, um, who's really just not doing anything.

Speaker 2: 2:02:07

Um, he's kind of staying low, uh, which I kind of like, you know, but I don't think this is the time for that kind of pope. But, um, you know, I think a lot of people have seen the evil that's been coming up the past few weeks, and we had a lot of people who are devout atheists claiming they went to church on Sunday for the first time. The Holy Spirit will not be held back, and so if they're open to it and their hearts are open to it, things are going to change. And, to be honest with you, as you and anthony have talked about, only god can do something about this, because we are in such a paradigm where people don't even agree on what a woman is, that this is not a stable condition for dialogue, like we're two people with entirely different views of reality and that cannot be reconciled at all.

Speaker 1: 2:03:06

It was. I noticed, especially in the firearm community on Twitter, the number of guys that went back for the first time in 10, 15, 20, 30 years. That was really cool, Really cool to see. There was one, I don't know, I think I know I didn't start. Oh, right, here you started. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:03:36

I saw it. We talked about this in the first show, I think no the enunciation show I think you have to one. You have to feel out your pastor and try and figure him out, and if that's something he's even amenable to, this may be a thing where you ask for forgiveness instead of permission.

Speaker 2: 2:04:02

Right, you kind of set something up on the side and he just never knows about it, because many of them probably don't even want to know yeah, because even if you did, uh, even if he was uh very accepting of that idea, he's not going to be able to give you top cover. So one feel your priest out and then just kind of see hey, this is something we're talking about, what are your thoughts on it? And then if he's like, oh, I'm not really comfortable with that, I'm like all right, got it. And then y'all do it anyway without him knowing and he just doesn't have to be involved because he may be in a very precarious situation with his Bishop. Right, okay, right, okay.

Speaker 2: 2:04:43

Now the other thing is you absolutely need some type of carry insurance. Yeah, absolutely, even if you get permission by the priest, you need some type of carry insurance. The guy over at christian warrior training has a review on all the insurances on his website. If y'all want to go over there and look at those reviews, there's really only one, I believe, that he suggests for people who are doing an actual church security, just because the way they've set up the policy it'll actually protect you, um, but you have to do your own research on that. But you need some type of protection in case that event does happen, because it's very likely that you'll live through it, but you'll probably be financially devastated afterwards if that person lives and they sue you for everything.

Speaker 1: 2:05:27

And that's if you win. Yeah, that's if you win, let alone if you lose. Yeah, yeah, there there is. If your church has a school, there are some extra legal concerns there, uh, just due to the federal and state state laws and things of that nature. So be aware of that. Um, yeah, you should. Yeah, if. Yes, I would say don't like if. If you just got your carry permit and you just got a, a gun, and I mean, and you don't have a setup yet, don't prevent it from you, don't let it prevent you from hearing tomorrow, necessarily. But if you're going to put the money into the gun, into the ammo, into the training and you should all do that put the money in the carry insurance too yeah, and it's pretty affordable.

Speaker 2: 2:06:17

Uh, I think uscca is like one of the higher ones and I think it's like 30 bucks a month or something for it, um, or maybe a little bit, maybe 35, but there's some very affordable ones out there. You've got, like, uh, attorneys on retainer.

Speaker 2: 2:06:32

Uh, they're not an actual reinsurance, I believe they're the way they're set up. They're just you're paying them a retainer fee, basically every month, because the issue you run into with carry insurance is insurance cannot cover an illegal act. Yeah, so if you end up having to use your firearm and you get arrested and charged and you lose, like they cannot cover you for that because it was an illegal act, so they may have to come after you for any monies they spent on your trial, and that's kind of something that they can't really do anything about because it's insurance. It was an illegal act, so they may have to come after you for any monies they spent on your trial, and that's kind of something that they can't really do anything about because it's insurance. Attorneys on retainer is you're basically just paying a retainer and they're spread loading the cost of these trials, right. It's kind of like these Christian health programs, right. It works in much the same way.

Speaker 1: 2:07:21

Who? Who was that? That you said that uh has a review of all of them uh, I can't remember.

Speaker 2: 2:07:26

He said the website is christian warrior trainingcom, he'sa. He's got a really good youtube channel too.

Speaker 1: 2:07:32

David, I would be curious as to why you say don't get uscca, because that's the one I have.

Speaker 2: 2:07:38

Uscca has had some issues lately where they have not covered people that should have been covered and they've kind of had a lot of egg on their face. Now, because of the backlash they've had about it, they have changed some things about their policies. They're they're a little bit better. In fact, the guy from Christian warrior training, he talks about a lot of that and he went and had a sit down talk with them, cause he he reviews them every year, cause they change every year, yeah, and so he went and had to sit down and talk with them about it and they have changed a lot towards. You know that won't happen again. But, um, USCCA is a very big organization now.

Speaker 1: 2:08:17

Um, cause I I first went with them like it's got to be 15 years ago, yeah something like that and there wasn't too many options at that point.

Speaker 2: 2:08:30

Yeah, there's a lot more options now. Um, law shield out of texas, I think, is another good one. Um, no, but just do your due diligence and research and, and you know, you can just go through youtube and see reviews on these things if you want to, instead of having to read it.

Speaker 1: 2:08:44

Is Christian Warheath training Eastern Orthodox.

Speaker 2: 2:08:47

I think he's Protestant. I know he's Protestant. Well, I mean he could be either, but probably Protestant. Yeah, I mean, most Orthodox, especially online Orthodox, are just Protestant nature. Anyway, let's see anything else.

Speaker 1: 2:09:07

Or or they're actually like a Eastern European and they don't worry about things like carry insurance for their AKs. They're in Macrobs.

Speaker 2: 2:09:18

Yeah, they got their Adidas jumpsuits.

Speaker 1: 2:09:25

Um, was there anything else?

Speaker 2: 2:09:27

I don't think I saw anything, so this one I want to show real quick. I didn't, I don't know, but she didn't talk on her talk like someone who goes to mass uh, yeah, it did.

Speaker 1: 2:09:48

It did sound very protestant. It was very prostant I, so I'm in.

Speaker 1: 2:09:55

Everything I'm about to say is complete 100 speculation, don't listen to me. Um, it wouldn't surprise me if, if her going back to mass and I mean there are pictures of them at mass um, if, if they're, if them going to mass was less about her returning to the faith and more him actually inquiring and leading the whole family back there. Yeah, because, because, judging from from what I know of him and I've learned, at least the last few days anyways, about him, like he seems like one who wouldn't necessarily have his wife lead him to a church he didn't want to go to. You know what I mean. Like, yeah, so that that I guess that if I had to guess, that's what I would say, but I I'm probably wrong yeah, and I would hope and it's.

Speaker 2: 2:10:51

He comes off like a man who is more the head of his family, more the leader, um, than his wife is, and she seems somewhat submissive to him Now, with her wanting to run TPUSA. I could be completely wrong. She might be a girl boss, who knows. But you know, I could see that happening. Because I think, most especially now, a lot of men are starting to reevaluate the faith that they grew up in, whether they're Protestant or Catholic, right and cause even if you're Catholic, like you're really like, is this it? Like? You know my, my pastor's telling me that you know we got to help more immigrants come in, like, is that really what I'm supposed to be doing? And then they find out. Then I think COVID dispelled all that latin mass. Look like and hear the homily and like, wow, like this is not what I'm used to hearing at all. Well, let's see what else did?

Speaker 1: 2:11:48

did you hear how they um, how they met and ended up starting to go out? So that that that story is what kind of leads me to my conclusion there. So I guess she was actually interviewing for a job with TPUSA. She was running some sort of well, she still runs some sort of clothing brand, but she was interviewing for a job. And so they had like a lunch interview and at the end of the lunch and the interview, charlie more or less said something along the lines of like I can't offer you the job, but that's because I'm going to date you instead. And he went along with it, I guess. So, just from that story and other things, it wouldn't surprise me if maybe he was actually the catalyst towards them.

Speaker 2: 2:12:47

Yeah, looking into catholicism, but I might be wrong.

Speaker 1: 2:12:48

No, no, yeah, I turned a female, avoiding babylon.

Speaker 2: 2:12:50

No thank you, we get, uh see margo and somebody else on who would be the female anthony. You know who it'd be. You know exactly who to be the female Anthony. You know who it would be. You know exactly who it would be. Have you seen that comedian, whatever his name is? You haven't seen her. I'm gonna start saying her stuff. She is a female Anthony, 100% she's the guy like the Italian New York accent, real bad.

Speaker 2: 2:13:18

Actually. I sent it to Anthony. I was like I was like, did you get AI to switch, switch you and make you into a woman?

Speaker 1: 2:13:25

Is this Taffy's work?

Speaker 2: 2:13:28

He is a miracle worker you never know. It could very well be him.

Speaker 1: 2:13:36

The other day for yesterday's show. No, not yesterday. Today's Monday, whatever, the last show where we started off talking about loft and yeah, he goes. I didn't have time to make one for today, but I just made this one randomly a few days ago and it's the one with the loft and the furry gimp suit. It's like you just make these for fun and have them ready to go for random occasions you never know when you got to pull out a random meme you know he's a lawyer, he might, he might, they might not give him a lot of work, or he may be really really good.

Speaker 2: 2:14:10

Uh man, when I was watching that wagner takedown of lofton, um, and it was just, it was surgical, it was precise, um, because you surgical? It was precise? Cause, you know, like I've always had an issue with Lofton, because he's never had a friend, he isn't willing to stab in the back, and it's just amazing to me that people still put stock in this guy. Yeah, and like I, and to be honest with you, they don't really, because the amount of subscribers he has, the amount of views he has, it's, it is so.

Speaker 2: 2:14:42

I think a lot of his subscriptions are probably bots, I would think.

Speaker 1: 2:14:47

The problem is especially with some of the YouTube analysis tools that I use and that are out there. It's hard to get a real feel for his metrics because he removes so many videos. When you unlist a video or delete it off of YouTube in your metrics it removes so many videos. When you, when you like, unlist a video or delete it off of youtube in your metrics it removes all those views. So when I go to look at like, how he's done last month compared to us and compared to other similar channels, you can't ever tell because he's in the negative hundreds of thousands of views because of videos he's removed, because he's now at odds with the position he held, you know, one, two, three years ago. So it's yeah.

Speaker 1: 2:15:25

But my favorite part of of uh, christian's video, of wagner's video, was, I mean, obviously, yeah, like you said he, like I texted him, I'm like you basically publicly executed him on air, um. But my favorite part was actually the not so much the stuff about Lofton, it was just more the stuff about the passions and just what real hope is and how he put it a very interesting way. He was saying that you have to consume the black pills. You have to keep consuming the black pills so that you lose hope in everything but God, that you lose hope in man and in men in general, and all you have left then is hope in God, and I thought that was a very insightful thing for him to talk about.

Speaker 2: 2:16:24

It's hard for people to put themselves in that situation, though, where they're constantly seeing how evil things are or how bad things are, because we're not to put our trust in princes. And it's so much easier to just attach yourself to a cult of personality, because then you not only that, but then you build a community out of it. You have an instant community. You can be a cult of personality, because then you not only that, but then you build a community out of it, like you have an instant community you can be a part of. You know we're all, you know manga or whatever you know it is.

Speaker 2: 2:16:49

But, um, when you start realizing that, like, no one is good and in god is the only rock you can attach yourself to. But then it gives you an extra perspective of empathy as well, because the amount of horrible things I've seen in my life and done as well. I have a lot more empathy because I've seen those horrible things for other people who may be going through very similar things. Because, as most guys have had, when I I was younger, I had a very abusive girlfriend, like verbally, emotionally and uh, and now it's like it's so much worse for guys now who are dating and they're having to deal with these very narcissistic girl boss women that like man, like you, just got to have empathy for these guys because they have to deal with this, because it's so much worse now than it was 20, 25 years ago, when I was still dating.

Speaker 1: 2:17:49

Yeah, that's a good point. Michael's chat was thanking him for bringing the truth today. Yeah, I don't understand how. I don't understand people who watch him.

Speaker 2: 2:18:08

I mean, it's a no one remains a Lofton fan, right, because eventually almost every he's reliant on a constantly new set of people constantly coming in and not seeing his BS. Yeah, um, and the thing that's helping that is his high subscriber count, right, because? And then some people hate watching, right, um, and they're subscribed just to watch the stupid stuff he says. Um, but it he requires, just like protest churches, they. He has to have a constant stream of new people coming, new people to the faith, because it sounds like he knows what he's talking about but he distorts things so much because of his narcissism, because it really all has to be about him is what it all comes down to, and he's very, very big on credentials.

Speaker 2: 2:18:56

Well, you don't have the degrees I've got, so you're not educated enough to know the fine nuances. You know that kind of talk and it's it's. It's honestly, he's somebody. We were talking about this earlier. You know, someone was talking about how they're appreciative it was in the telegram chat. They're talking about how they're appreciative of the Disney films lately because they have helped women to start see the red flags right like in frozen. They're not. You know the love bombing of whatever the guy is, you know or the narcissism entangled right um, and I was thinking back.

Speaker 2: 2:19:34

I'm like man, maybe that's you know. While watching those with my kids, I've been able to see those things as well a little bit better, because that's what I see in him the narcissism. It drips from every bit of him and it's sad because it's pushed everybody away from him. It has.

Speaker 1: 2:19:54

Yeah, yeah. Everyone he's collaborated with in the past is like he said he's never met someone he wasn't willing to stab in the back and he, he really did steal. You know, it's flow guys he really.

Speaker 2: 2:20:12

No, you know, I told us not to tell, but that was I'm just glad that the vatican finally invited him over so they can get his input, because I don't know what we would do without the magisterium of lofton I love how he made it seem like he got all this special treatment when he got nothing more than the other five thousand, than everyone else did.

Speaker 2: 2:20:32

Yeah guys, they were. They're really listening to me like bro he. You know what he sounds like. You know, back in the day in american idol and somebody would get up and they they could not sing very well, but they were convinced that they could. That's what he is. He's an American Idol contestant that's screaming like a cat scratching a chalkboard. He just doesn't realize that. Who has he had around that has stayed around? That hasn't been a bad character? No one. He's obviously not a good judge of people.

Speaker 1: 2:21:17

Yeah, we could talk more about that, not so much him but let's see who recently has had who has promoted him. Let's see Voice of Reason. There's a couple others that have made it on big shows recently.

Speaker 2: 2:21:41

I think a question we need to ask is when are we going to do something about Matt Fred and Paisa the Clowness he keeps promoting some of the worst people.

Speaker 1: 2:21:52

I know that's who I was talking about. Who was it that they just had on that Anthony was complaining about on Twitter how they'll have everyone on except him. Who was that Gosh? Who was that?

Speaker 2: 2:22:10

Well, you know the reason they won't have Anthony on Because he complains about it. Well, that's probably a little bit, because he's unpredictable, that's true, they don't know what he's going to say Right, and it's going to be real suspicious when they put a Pints of the Kindness and it's only 45 minutes long, because they had to cut up some time, because everyone knows Anthony's not talking Well.

Speaker 1: 2:22:28

one any Pints show is only 45 minutes. That one with Anthony will. Oh Ubi Petrus.

Speaker 2: 2:22:37

Yeah well, he's a eugenicist. Apparently Anybody with less than 93 IQ he's willing to just upload ironically, his account disappeared shortly after that.

Speaker 1: 2:22:47

He must have realized what his own IQ was.

Speaker 2: 2:22:50

his track record lately has not been good, not been good at all. It's a it's. It's. It's shocking to me, and I say that in the most bland way to say shocking. It's shocking to me, and I say that in the most bland way to say shocking. The larger a channel gets and the more vanilla they become. Matt Fred used to have some really good guests, but as he got bigger and he didn't want to rock the boat, his guests got more and more vanilla right, which is why he won't have anybody on to give the counter argument for the SSPX Right and he keeps having on all these bigger platform people so they can get him more views and more subscriptions. So I don't know if that's his management company set. Somebody told me that he has a management company who who does all his guests?

Speaker 1: 2:23:44

And if you're, at that point, a management company that does that for a lot of yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:23:49

If you're at that point where you no longer have creative control of what you're doing, why are you doing it Like now it's a nine to five, like that's not what. That's what I assume, that's what most people didn't get into content creation to just have a 9 to 5 yeah, that's what you're trying to avoid usually.

Speaker 1: 2:24:09

Yeah, I just want to avoid Anthony.

Speaker 2: 2:24:14

I'm surprised he hasn't bopped in yet. He's probably asleep now.

Speaker 3: 2:24:17

We're way too late for him.

Speaker 2: 2:24:19

I get up at 4am so I can sit in the truck and watch YouTube all day now. We're way too late for him. I get up at 4 am so I can sit in the truck and watch YouTube all day.

Speaker 1: 2:24:28

Yeah, so I put out a clip at noon and I had it ready to go at 6 am and I'd like to get those early, get those ready early. So after it's scheduled on our page, you can go in and see if he wants to tweak the title, thumbnail, stuff like that. Yeah, I didn't hear anything. Clip went live. It was like 45 minutes after the clip went live. He's like oh, we got to change the title. I'm like why didn't you tell me seven hours ago he goes, cause I was actually having to work today.

Speaker 2: 2:24:57

That's the worst word when I was in the marines, uh, you, you always wanted to avoid working parties because they, like, I think one time they came by and snatched a bunch of us up, um, just to go, uh, field day, like the, the shooting ranges, basically look for extra brass that hadn't been out, because when you go shooting you have to get all that brass up. And uh, we, I think we had like an inspection or something over the base and man, like, the sad part is I, I was a, I was a nco at the time, so I wasn't doing any work, I was just telling everybody else to do it. Um, but the sad part is my entire unit was nothing but ncos, so none of us were doing any work because we're ncos, I mean we don't work, we tell the other guys to do it Right, and so, like, we had an entire section of the range that still had a bunch of brass on it Cause we were not picking it up.

Speaker 3: 2:25:50

We just weren't doing it.

Speaker 2: 2:25:52

We got in so much trouble for that. That's funny, well, I think it's time.

Speaker 1: 2:25:57

I think it's funny. Well, I think it's time.

Speaker 2: 2:26:04

I think it's time. It is time.

Speaker 1: 2:26:07

Hopefully next week we don't have some sort of terrible tragedy. We need to talk about.

Speaker 2: 2:26:11

Oh man, I hope not Let next week be a super boring show. I hope so, let's. Let's let next week be water purification.

Speaker 1: 2:26:27

We are going to set this on the stove and we are going to watch it boil together everyone, because the week after that we're doing some medical right.

Speaker 2: 2:26:38

Yeah, we're doing medical on the 29th Next week. I don't really, I don't know what you want to do.

Speaker 1: 2:26:47

I don't know, man. What does everyone want us to do? You want?

Speaker 3: 2:26:51

to have any opinions?

Speaker 1: 2:26:53

You want to talk about EDC stuff?

Speaker 2: 2:26:58

We can. We can go over to EDC and what I carry every day, what you carry every day, what I should be carrying every day, we can do that.

Speaker 1: 2:27:09

And if something else comes up or someone gets a good idea, we'll do that.

Speaker 2: 2:27:13

I'm sure something will. I'm surprised nothing happened on September 11th. No, there was something that happened on September 11th no there was something happened on september 11th.

Speaker 1: 2:27:26

Was there like a school shooting or something? No, that happened on the 10th with. Oh, that was on the 10th as well. Yeah, and that guy has that kid had connections to the same groups that the annunciation shooter had the acceleration nihilist man like.

Speaker 2: 2:27:38

So that's another thing. Y'all need to go watch ford observer um mike shelby's on the gray zone intel or gray zone warlord. Gray zone, the warlord um we, he's been reporting on all these far left antifa groups for a long, long time. Um, he's put out a report about it and he you've got one in your state, you've got one in your city, 100 guaranteed um, they're everywhere um, and they've especially if you have a college or university yes, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 2:28:14

Um. So I would check him out and look at that stuff so you can be aware of what's going on around you, because if you're all in a fog of war right now and you can do something about it, you can find out what's around you. And he's got a lot of backwards, you know, back reporting about a lot of stuff. So maybe I'll talk to him see if I can get him on soon too, I'm sure he would like to come on.

Speaker 1: 2:28:36

Yeah, that'd be very interested in that.

Speaker 2: 2:28:39

Yeah, he's a good talk.

Speaker 1: 2:28:41

Alright, guys, more gun content, more pew-pew, more pew-pew. But see, if we do that we'll lose people like Mrs C, who wants us to talk about pantry stuff.

Speaker 2: 2:28:54

Hey, we can talk about my wife's wheat grinder and making flour. In fact she made five loaves of bread a day. Did you know you cannot get organic wheat, berries or flour in the United States at all? That comes from the United States.

Speaker 1: 2:29:17

Really, because I know there is a Catholic family who sells it, but I guess I don't know if it's organic.

Speaker 2: 2:29:26

So there's a few farms that are starting to build it up. Four Brothers is one. Wheat berries from them. Wheat berries last a whole lot longer and the bread just tastes a lot better. But most of it comes from France. So, like, costco sells organic flour, but it's not from the united states, it's from france let me, let me look this up, because I am almost 100 sure that's everyone's. Gluten issues is because of the chemicals and such that are in the flour so grains from the plains.

Speaker 1: 2:29:56

Have you heard of them? No, they knew. Uh, so they're. They're a catholic family.

Speaker 2: 2:30:02

You're starting to see more pop up. I went to the uh, the homestead festival in tennessee this summer with my wife and there was a new one there I had never heard of yet, um, and so, yeah, I'm glad I'm seeing more and more of them pop up.

Speaker 1: 2:30:15

So this is um where they had of we uh, let me look here. We had talked about doing potential sponsorships.

Speaker 2: 2:30:28

They've talked to you all about doing that Potentially yeah, lincoln County Colorado. Colorado. Did you say Colorado, colorado. Okay, good, really.

Speaker 1: 2:30:43

No, this is not how this works. I lecture like Anthony Barada talk.

Speaker 2: 2:30:50

I speak the proper Queen's English. I don't know if you do that, so I guess they have organic wheat berries. Good. I wonder if they grow it themselves. The issue is it's so hard to grow wheat without pesticides. It's real hard.

Speaker 1: 2:31:08

Look at this, I'll see if I can make this bigger. Give me a second. We are not legally allowed to use the O word organic, since we are not certified, but we follow organic standards. We do not grow gmos or use any chemical fertilizers and insecticides, pesticides or anything else artificial. So yeah, you're right, you won't see organic certified, yeah at.

Speaker 2: 2:31:36

Uh, as miss steve said, yeah, azure does sell some um, but it's it's only recently has it come from the United States. Prior to that it was coming in from France. So you can't just go to Publix and get organic. I mean, you can get organic flour from Publix I think King Arthur sells it but it's not actually organic. So it's the same thing with, like, grass fed beef, as long as it's fed grass. 51% of the time it's grass fed beef, right, and so they're like they get all around a lot of these things a lot of times.

Speaker 2: 2:32:12

So that's been the trouble for us. Like we eat all organic. Now, well, at home we eat all organic, right, we still go out to eat occasionally. So we're about like an 80-20 life, but it's, I am almost. Since I've been just been, I don't eat bread out. Usually I try not to, but I can tell when I do, like I can't eat pizza anymore. It just I'm not the same, it's just my body doesn't like it. Like the Toxic Avenger. It's horrible. I try not to eat pizza anymore. I don't like the way it makes me feel anymore. That sucks, because I love pizza.

Speaker 1: 2:32:53

Did you eat pizza when we ordered it at 11 o'clock when we were drinking in North Carolina? How did that go for?

Speaker 2: 2:33:00

you Not good? Not good at all, it was not. I'm glad I had my own room.

Speaker 1: 2:33:07

I'll say that I mean it could have been worse. Could have drank half a gallon of chocolate milk that night.

Speaker 2: 2:33:15

I've seen some crazy cocktails in my life.

Speaker 1: 2:33:20

I've drank some stupid stuff. I've seen some crazy cocktails in my life, but I've never seen a man.

Speaker 2: 2:33:23

Stupid stuff. I've never seen a man mix chocolate milk with a liquor. Was it bourbon or something? It was something brown. I know that.

Speaker 1: 2:33:35

I think it was cheap bourbon?

Speaker 2: 2:33:37

Was it cheap bourbon? I think so, and that boy was having a good old time for about 30 minutes till he wasn't, and then he was no longer having a good time. Now the rest of us were not having a good time. But yeah, what y'all do, get them to, um, I mean, you have them, send it to me and I'll test it. I'll check it out, have my wife grind it real quick and we'll make some bread okay we'll test it out.

Speaker 1: 2:34:06

I think the last we had talked they were maybe going to send uh. My wife bakes. We don't have a a grinder mill or anything like that, so they were uh. We were talking about maybe getting uh. They're going to send some just like just some ground wheat samples, yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:34:25

The reason that you don't really want to buy ground flour. I mean you can't Whatever, when you grind the wheat berries yourself, it keeps. A lot of the minerals are basically gone after 24 hours.

Speaker 1: 2:34:37

It's like coffee grounds.

Speaker 2: 2:34:38

That's why freshly ground coffee is so much better than yeah yeah, but I mean eating organic flour is way better than eating that garbage at the grocery store. That's why we have all these people with gluten issues. It's because of the flour. The same thing with corn. You, you actually can't get organic corn in the united states.

Speaker 1: 2:34:56

It's all gmo yeah, I believe that. Well, yeah, because. Because the corn that was here when white people got here does not look like what we eat now.

Speaker 2: 2:35:08

Same thing with bananas. Have you seen what bananas originally looked like?

Speaker 1: 2:35:12

Yes, you know why banana candy tastes different, right?

Speaker 2: 2:35:19

Why banana candy tastes different.

Speaker 1: 2:35:23

Than the bananas we eat, because the when they developed that art, that artificial flavor, they were matching it to a variety of banana that's extinct now. So, yeah, it doesn't taste like bananas we eat now, because it was a completely different banana that is completely gone now.

Speaker 2: 2:35:42

Isn't it strawberry flavoring? It's not actually strawberry, it's like beaver gland.

Speaker 1: 2:35:51

I don't know if it's beaver. It's something You're right though.

Speaker 2: 2:35:54

I'm going to look it up. I'm a beaver gland enjoyer.

Speaker 1: 2:36:00

That's another thing. Wild strawberries are the size of small raspberries, that's another fruit we've Frankensteined into something crazy.

Speaker 2: 2:36:16

Look, I'm a big fan of strawberry milk and thankfully. I'm not lactose intolerant. It comes from a beaver butt gland Ethylmethylphenylglycinate, also known as strawberry aldehyde. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1: 2:36:31

So it comes from a beaver butt gland. You drink that with your bourbon? Look, I'll try everything once. I used to love Irish car bombs. I think they call them boilermakers now, but those are my favorite.

Speaker 2: 2:36:48

That's my favorite shot, is it? Yeah, that's a big shot.

Speaker 1: 2:36:50

I don't know if I call that a shot well, I don't know what else to call it, though that's a.

Speaker 2: 2:36:54

That's a mixed drink. See, we got another strawberry milk enjoyer over here. Yeah, I got. I took my, my son uh fishing last summer and uh, I stopped him. Like every time I do like a daddy and son day, I always get like the most horrible food for us to eat of course we went camping a couple weekends ago ago, and I bought them zebra cakes, because we never eat those at home.

Speaker 1: 2:37:23

Oh, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:37:24

So I got to give them a reason to want to enjoy this stuff, right, because fishing is super boring for kids. But I got these powdered donuts and strawberry milk and we're out there fishing and he's eating his strawberry donuts. I ate the first one. I'm like this tastes weird and I'm like, no, you know whatever. Like I've eaten worse. You know I've eaten. You know mres off the ground in afghanistan they can't do that bad right.

Speaker 2: 2:37:47

And I look at the donuts and they're all molded and I've already had like two. By this point I was like well, at least you know I'm not gonna get sick because I'm eating penicillin you're like son.

Speaker 1: 2:38:00

Remember how we talked about the one day daddy might not be here. Well, daddy just did something stupid. You need to drive me to the hospital.

Speaker 2: 2:38:09

I know you're five. I know you're five, you're fine. Keep your hands on ten and two. Just don't push the right pedal too hard, you'll be fine. Just keep using your horn.

Speaker 1: 2:38:28

Yeah exactly, airweight revolvers, airweight revolvers. They are a pain in the butt to shoot. That's all I'm going to say. What's an airweight?

Speaker 2: 2:38:40

revolver.

Speaker 1: 2:38:43

It's Smith wesson. It has a some of their. They call some of their revolvers air weights. No, they're just like um aluminum frame. They're just super light, like some of their j frames.

Speaker 2: 2:38:55

Uh okay, they're just super that shows you how little I shoot revolvers. I had a guy. So when I teach, like I'm teaching a concealed carry course here to my parish here soon, I had a guy. He showed up with his grandpa's revolver and I had to teach him a different way to shoot because he kept trying to hold the firearm like everybody else. Like you know, with a good grip on, like a striker fired, you can't do that with a revolver because the cylinder it's going to burn your hand.

Speaker 2: 2:39:25

You can't do that he didn't listen to me and he ended up having a burn going down like half his hand, but now he carries a block. That was a good day. Alright, I think we've milked this, this one, enough. Beaver, glands and all hey, beaver glands, don't try. Don't knock it till you try at least once. All right, guys, we'll let y'all go, are y'all? Y'all got a show tomorrow night yeah, I think.

Speaker 1: 2:40:01

So. I think, uh, oh, what did? What was the title gonna be? Um, I don't remember. Anthony sent me a title. Oh uh, spiritual but not religious people are ruining the country. Nice, gonna make friends yes, absolutely you will.

Speaker 2: 2:40:23

That'll be a fun one just yeah, it'll be interesting.

Speaker 1: 2:40:30

Um, other than that, let's see what else is coming up. Um, I don't know what we have Thursday. Next Monday we'll do something, I don't know what. The next week, but I know next, not this weekend, but next weekend is Sebastian's baptism, where Anthony's coming into town. Hopefully we'll get to meet anyone who's within driving distance of the Minneapolis St Paul. You're all invited. I know a few number of people are going to be coming. I don't know if we'll do an in-person show. We're not, probably not. I think we just want to hang out. Anthony's never met my wife in person. He's only met one of my kids in person. I've never met his wife in person so, and we're probably just going to hang out and not do shows that weekend. But it should be a fun time.

Speaker 2: 2:41:23

Yeah, that's awesome. Man, I can't even fathom having to push out of baptism that long. It's rough. I bet you're super anxious.

Speaker 1: 2:41:34

Yeah, so our first one was longer because we were, I had just come back to the church, my wife hadn't even converted quite yet, so our first one we just scheduled six weeks out. But uh, yeah, ever since then it's been quicker than this. But, um, it was important for us to do, to do the trad baptism. So, yeah, no, the title currently is not. Our Greatest Allies Are Responsible.

Speaker 2: 2:42:06

Not yet anyways, it could be Israel. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.

Speaker 1: 2:42:13

We don't want to get assassinated.

Speaker 2: 2:42:16

I'm too low on the totem pole to worry about that. So far, I'm not even worth the 30-06 round.

Speaker 1: 2:42:27

Oh man, you know, and that's how you know, it was just some. It wasn't some highly trained operative. They didn't use three through eight Lapua or Winchester Magnum or something.

Speaker 2: 2:42:43

They used. If it were Israel, they would have used 5.56. Because it's so ubiquitous, it's everywhere.

Speaker 1: 2:42:50

And it will get that job done in 200 yards, even in 200 yards.

Speaker 2: 2:42:53

It's not going to affect the ballistics whatsoever, especially if they had a 20-inch barrel. Absolutely not Okay. I'm not going to be drawn into any more conversations, bellator this is my Midwest Minnesota.

Speaker 1: 2:43:08

Goodbyes, right here.

Speaker 2: 2:43:10

I did an Irish goodbye. You just won't see me on the camera anymore. Just go okay.

Speaker 1: 2:43:16

Well, we're leaving for real this time, guys, so thank you all. We'll see you tomorrow with Ant or next Monday for the two of us, so have a good night everyone. Thank you.