Avoiding Babylon
Avoiding Babylon was started during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic. During these difficult and dark days, when most of us were isolated from family, friends, our parishes, and even the Sacraments themselves, this channel was started as a statement of standing against the tyrannical mandates that many of us were living under. Since those early days, this channel has morphed into an amazing community of friends…no…more than friends…Christian brothers and sisters…who have grown in joy and charity.
As we see it, our job here at Avoiding Babylon is to remind ourselves and those who enjoy the channel that being Catholic is a joyful and exciting experience. We seek true Catholic fraternity and eutrapelia with other Catholics who, like us, are doing their best to live out their vocation with the help of God’s Grace. Above all, we try to bring humor and joy to the craziness of this fallen world, for as Hillaire Belloc has famously said:
“Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine,
There’s always laughter and good red wine.
At least I’ve always found it so.
Benedicamus Domino!”
Avoiding Babylon
America at a Breaking Point (Full LOCALS Version)
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Access to the FULL show on audio!The assassination of Charlie Kirk has exposed the deep fractures in American society, revealing both our capacity for hatred and our potential for redemptive witness in the face of tragedy.
This raw, unfiltered conversation begins with a candid examination of religious hypocrisy – particularly how many believers create artificial divides between their "church life" and "real life," resulting in performative piety that undermines authentic faith. The hosts argue that true holiness isn't about showcasing devotion on social media but integrating faith into every aspect of life, including the messy, imperfect parts.
The dialogue takes a profound turn when discussing Erica Kirk's remarkable testimony following her husband's murder. She spoke with supernatural grace about her faith in God's goodness and her commitment to continuing her husband's mission.
The conversation explores how Americans increasingly inhabit separate information ecosystems, consuming radically different narratives about the same events. This media fragmentation makes meaningful dialogue nearly impossible as citizens aren't merely disagreeing about opinions but operating from fundamentally different understandings of reality. The hosts reflect on how this information divide amplifies political tribalism and creates an environment where violence becomes increasingly likely.
Drawing parallels to the post-9/11 period when Americans briefly united in shared grief, the hosts wonder whether any common ground remains possible in our current climate. They challenge listeners to resist both naive acceptance of all narratives and cynical rejection of everything, calling instead for discernment, humility, and a recognition that our deepest problems are spiritual rather than merely political.
How do we move forward in a nation that seems beyond healing? By following Erica Kirk's example – grounding ourselves in faith and speaking truth regardless of the consequences, and remembering that even in our darkest moments, we are called to be bearers of light. Join us for this essential conversation about finding authentic faith in fractured times.
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Hello everyone. This is my home altar. Here you can see some of my prayer books, my crucifix, and if I squat down you can see one of my icons. You can have a prayer altar at home too. Just make an intentional space. This book has the liturgy of the hours, my favorite. I want to invite you to come pray with me.
Speaker 2:Let's be shiny together, too much love I I I have to say like I planned on discussing lofton tonight I don't think we ever need to ever again.
Speaker 3:Wagner took care of that I.
Speaker 2:I've never seen a. I've never seen anything like what wagner did tonight in my life. It was the most legendary takedown of it, because you know what it was. I posted a clip of him calling him a cuck and stuff like that, but that wasn't what it was. Like Wagner dug into Lofton's psyche in a way that I have never seen and it is so stunningly accurate that, like the narcissism of Lofton is so insane because he just doesn't know how to do anything but counter signal. So he's, he's beside himself under Leo. He really is. He's beside himself under leo. He has no idea what to do because everybody likes leo. So, like all the pope's planers you're seeing this with right all the pope's planers are like out of a job. And it's not even because leo is a great pope or anything. It's just that people don't care anymore. People, people just don't care. And it's what's interesting is all of Tratistan is experiencing this.
Speaker 3:So it, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's it's it, steven Cox and fake name Chris Jackson, who feel that they need to do what they need to do too.
Speaker 2:You always make my life so difficult.
Speaker 3:Me. I make your life difficult. I'm not the one who writes under a pen name. You blame Chris Jackson.
Speaker 2:Why do you have to make all of my freaking friendships difficult? I don't understand you.
Speaker 3:I don't have a list of your friends. I didn't know they were your friends.
Speaker 2:I like everybody except Loon, come on, stop it. I just want peace out there. Stop, but no, so well, I will bring them up though, because it's interesting that they're like attacking trad ink, but like what I've come to realize is there really isn't a trad ink because there's no business left in trad ink. There really isn't a trad ink because there's no business left in trading. Like there was a um, I called that love three years ago. It was too easy on him. Yeah, I will say uh, kennedy was the first to say law. Michael Lawson is a problem. Rob makes my relationship with Anthony difficult. Like he. Just he. Rob just gives zero Fs.
Speaker 3:It's the funniest thing you just did something you told me not to do three days.
Speaker 2:I did okay I've had it with brie solstead. I've had it with her. I've just completely had it because she took like a little break from twitter and she, like, I was like so respect, I respected her so much because she took a few weeks off Twitter and I thought she was off Twitter and then she came back and she started lecturing everybody about how we are all using social media to our detriment and it is so bad that everybody is trolling Protestants and using Our Lady to get clicks, protestants and using our lady to get clicks. And now she's doing the exact same thing, but under this false piety, nonsense of writing these threads about our lady, and she knows it's going to troll the protestants the same exact way, because she's going through like saint alphonsus lagore, or, or, or what's his name? Um, who did, uh, the glories of Mary? Was that a St Alphonsus? Who?
Speaker 3:did the glories. It was either him. Yeah, it was either him or yeah.
Speaker 2:So like she'll do a thread on the glories of Mary, knowing it will have the exact same effect, while lecturing other people for using our lady. Like it's just the same thing. Like I don't care if you do it, but like be honest about what you're doing. Don't pretend like like false piety, I think you know. Like don't be like the pharisees who pray on corners for everyone to see so that they can show off their holiness. Like I don't like that stuff, man. That stuff.
Speaker 3:It bothers me more than probably anything so you and I mean everyone knows we're not perfect, but we make that very clear to everyone and I don't need everybody to be like us.
Speaker 2:Like. I'm not saying you have to go to the extreme. I do, but don't pretend like. Don't fake holiness, like do the best you can to be holy. Don't honestly fake your holiness but don't fake your holiness.
Speaker 3:That's one of my big problems with so many people like so many facets of the church, so many people in the church. It's one of the big problems I think in the church is that people and I don't know where the….
Speaker 2:This is going to be a problematic stream. What are we thinking? I don't know.
Speaker 3:I don't know where the problem starts. I don't know if it's with public Catholics like public figures that are Catholics, or with people in the pews, but people get in their mind that they have to act a certain way, right as a pious Catholic, and they recognize that that's different than who they are normally. So instead of being who they are normally and trying to just become better, they separate their lives into their normal life and their catholic life yes their church they act one way.
Speaker 3:You know they act that same way with their church friends and then in their their daily life at work. You wouldn't even know they're freaking catholic yeah, that all right, you know and then you have, then you have the influencers and the public figures.
Speaker 3:Who's? Maybe they're the one that start that. They feel that they need to act that way. On camera and behind the scenes they're completely different. And then that rubs off on everyone else and then it's a vicious cycle. I don't know, but if you cannot integrate your Catholic life with your normal life, you failed. You're not going to make it. Like the whole point of deification and theosis is to to integrate your Catholic life with your shitty normal life and try to become better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, look there. Okay. Well, first off, let's, let's forever like you guys in the chat. Um, for you guys in the chat, let us know when Erica Kirk starts speaking and we will stop and we'll listen to what erica kirk has to say. Um, just give us a heads up if she starts talking. So this is something rob and I have spoken about a little in that. Um, it's and we're not saying that because there's something to like larping asing as a Catholic until you become a Catholic. Right, like, like, like going through the motions until the emotions become natural, right, like how you pray is how you'll believe. Right.
Speaker 3:Yes, there is something to fake it till you, make it but, you need to be doing that in private too, in private too right, so you can't just pray in public. Correct, like, yeah, it might be hard to pray in private and you might feel like you're faking it, but you got to do it in private too. You can't just do it in public.
Speaker 2:Yeah and listen, like they're saying, like Anthony's talking about Brie, like I have never spoken about Brie negatively until today, like I actually just blocked her and I said honestly, this is just so egregious at this point I I actually respected her more when she was just doing the troll, because it's like, all right, at least you're doing the troll. But now you're trolling, but putting it under the guise of oh, I'm reading this book, I'm reading this book and it's like just read your book. Stop telling us that you're reading the book. Like I don't get it yeah, same thing with the.
Speaker 3:I'm going to adoration. What do you want?
Speaker 2:I'm going to adoration everyone like. Why are we going to?
Speaker 3:have a private holy hour here.
Speaker 2:I'm putting it out on public space, yeah, this you know, this stuff has this like it's really upsetting because you're not, it's not just her, that's a lot. No, yeah, that's just in general. Right, this is this is you have received your reward, guys. This is important. When you do that, you have received your reward.
Speaker 2:Any treasure you could have built in heaven by going to holy hour, you just received that reward on earth because you had to tell everybody I was going to do this, and that's different from privately saying to somebody hey, I'm like I'm gonna lift your intentions up in my prayers. Or if somebody is going through a hard time like Trent's mother passed, right, yeah, and to, to, to give a consolation, trent, I will lift your mother up in prayer today. That's very different from just announcing to everybody I am going to pray right now and I'm going to pray for you because I'm so holy like this stuff. Man, a social media is going to be the, the, the thing that brings a lot of us to hell, because we need the attention and the praise now.
Speaker 3:I need men's accolades and adulation now, and anthony and I are guilty of it too.
Speaker 2:We, we are, we all every one of us are yeah, it's, it's, it's the sanctimonious stuff. It's like I don't know why I'm starting the show with this. It really did start with Wagner criticizing Lofton, because what Wagner is talking about is actually like what Lofton did with Charlie Kirk was just so appalling and he was doing what leftists were doing. Like, straight up, leftists were bugging out because people uh saw what happened, charlie kirk and they're like why is everybody so upset about this one man when children are dying in gaza and it's like I didn't care about gaza until he realized most of the catholic world was for gaza.
Speaker 2:He didn't, he was, he wasn't israeli cuck until 10 minutes ago all right and but regardless, like I actually do care about the plight of people in Gaza, right, like I very much care about the plight of people in Gaza, I very much care about what happened to that woman on the train the other day, but this is what leftists are doing. What was unique about the Charlie Kirk situation is that we all saw some imagery that damaged our psyche. It really did. I mean to see that up close on somebody that we've been watching for the past few years to the point where you feel like you have an intimate relationship with the person because you see so much of that person's life put into the public sphere.
Speaker 3:We've seen conversations he's had with people that we like, so I don't even those of us who grew up with live leak and rottencom, and if you're not sure what those are, do not look them up. Yeah, don't look those up but even those of us who grew up with watching, like the beheading of nick berg, right, I don't know if you remember that, um, but like we, you know we watch jihadis behead people online. Why are you? Laughing.
Speaker 2:Is this because we're really going off. This is definitely a locals conversation.
Speaker 3:Here's the thing Ant texted me earlier. He's like do you want to stream tonight? And almost every time I say no, like extra stream, I'm like no, I don't want to, but I can't even tell you. Tonight I was like, yeah, I kind of need some talk therapy.
Speaker 2:We need some therapy, like, but like you can even tell you. Tonight I was like, yeah, I kind of need some talk therapy, we need we need some therapy. Like. This week was hard, it was very hard, and the thing is, I'll probably apologize to brie after this because this is, that was very harsh like I was very harsh on her um, but I just had it like I don't, I don't know, and you know what.
Speaker 2:It was very harsh I think I think just our everyone's patience in general was just yeah and and and that kind of got to me and I'm not asking anybody to like jump on her for this stuff or anything like I. Honestly it was, it was. I probably shouldn't have done that, but I, I just I've kind of just had it with with people pretending they're something they're not and I've I've just seen it a lot and I don't know like I I'm having a hard time with it. This week was a look.
Speaker 3:I need a lot more than that.
Speaker 2:No, look, I made a joke today about my fish dying on this week and I was like, oh, I'm like Tony Soprano, somebody actually made that comment in the chat yesterday and I saw it and I'm like that's actually what's happening right now for me, because I freaking cared about those stupid fish man and going through the Charlie Kirk thing and the Ukrainian girl and then some stuff Rob and I have been dealing with behind the scenes, I just felt like throwing up emotionally on stream tonight.
Speaker 2:I just needed to pour myself out tonight because it's been a hard week and I'm not one that tends to talk through things.
Speaker 3:I'm sure you all recognize that that is definitely more of an Anthony thing. But, like I mean, you can ask my wife. I've been just quiet the last few days, you know, and I just need to get it out, okay, so I'll tell you guys something else going on.
Speaker 2:Um, the, the, the. Remember I've told you guys, I mean this is a local stuff, so if you guys aren't on locals you're not going to know the backstory here. But my, my wife had a friend that she had a falling out with, and her kid and my kid are the same age, and because my wife had a falling out with this person, um, like we would never, ever let that falling out affect the kids, right? So if that, if her kid came to my house, I would treat the kid like I would always treat him, I would be kind to him. You know, um, but that person is having people over tonight and my kid was like, hey, would you mind if I came? And he said no, because his mother won't let them over.
Speaker 2:And I'm like my wife's losing it right now, like she's losing it, like how can you let something we're going through go trickle down to the kids, where now the kids have to know there's something going on and there's just a lock? I feel like everything's at a boiling point right now. My wife's very hurt and uh, you know, and when you see your kids, it's a funny thing that happens with women, um, and it's it's very unique to women that I've noticed that when their kids are going through something, women really experience it in a way that men don't. So for something like that happens, and for me I just kind of like logically, go through it. I'm like, I'm like, well, yeah, it's not the kid's fault, he's just doing what the mom said, where my wife is like feeling my daughter's pain and anguish and she's taking that pain on in a way that I just don't and it's something very unique to her.
Speaker 3:It's a beautiful trait in women I called the kid a dumbass the other week because he made fun of one of my kids, 10 years yeah.
Speaker 2:But but if your kid was hurt, you'd have like a rational conversation with him and try to talk him through it and say, okay, this is how you handle this, like, oh yeah, where, if your kids feelings are hurt, your wife is going to feel the pain that your, that your son, feels.
Speaker 3:That's true men are just going to feel I mean, if someone calls it, men are just going to feel anger and you're going to want to, and you're going to want to take care of it and yes you're going to be angry at the kid where I'm telling you the woman actually.
Speaker 2:So this dude, I was thinking about this with our lady. I was really thinking about this with our lady, and the way our lady Check your cat's breath.
Speaker 2:My cats don't go outside. So this was. I was really thinking about this with our lady, while watching my wife like feel the pain that my kid was going through. I'm saying this is why our lady felt the crucifixion in a way a man could never understand. Like it's not the same kind of pain. When I say that she truly felt the pain of the crucifixion, oh, all right, she's gonna speak maybe I can't hold on.
Speaker 3:Why can't you?
Speaker 2:she's not speaking yet. Um, we're, we're keeping an eye on it, guys.
Speaker 3:We're, uh, I don't know if there's just no volume um, there might not be right now, but um, let's see what I'm looking on turning points twitter this is on charlie's twitter on charlie kirk's twitter.
Speaker 2:Twitter. This is on Charlie's.
Speaker 3:Twitter. On Charlie Kirk's Twitter, everything says it. They're like my settings, all look fine, so I don't think it's saying live. Do you hear anything on it on your phone?
Speaker 2:This is not live. That's not live, let's see. No, it's just an empty chair right now. It's just an empty chair. She's not live, let's see. No, it's just an empty chair right now. Yeah, all right, it's just an empty chair. She's not speaking yet. So, yeah, it was something, while watching my wife go through that, that really made me think about the sufferings Our Lady endured in a unique way that, like men don't comprehend, they just don't. That like men don't don't comprehend, they just don't. But when a woman and a mother sees her child suffering, she really feels the pain that the child was feeling, and I witnessed it with my own wife and it was, it was a very enlightening thing. So, um, yeah, so uh, the the title of the show tonight, um, I, I feel like America's at that breaking point, because I feel like I'm at a breaking point. A lot of the stuff, oh my gosh, jason shut up, I know, I know I'm watching the text.
Speaker 2:come in, hold on, I have to actually tell you.
Speaker 3:The only time Jason and Mark ever talk to us is when we're on stream.
Speaker 2:Maybe I'll just mute it. I'm just going to mute the thread. Uh, high alerts, okay, um, so I, I I'm feeling like America's at a breaking point, cause I feel myself at a breaking point to to the point where we came on stream tonight and I just had to and unload, because everything just feels like we're we're boiling over. But I also want to know what we do next and where we go from here, because I'm so tired of losing.
Speaker 2:I'm so tired of the bishop in Charlotte taking away people's kneelers. And why isn't there a battalion of trads in front of his chancery, on their knees, praying the rosary? Like why, why do we do? Was a petition, a petition that he's going to ignore, and it's like this and it can't be from the priest. The priests have their hands tied. It has to be the lady and the lady have to do it in a way where it's it has to be where he's the villain. Just look at us. We're on our hands and knees, begging and just praying our rosary in silence. There's no threats, there's no nothing. But I'm just tired of losing. I'm tired of us taking things laying down, I'm tired of us having no recourse to anything. It's, it's very tiresome to me and I don't know what the next step is. I don't know where we're going to go from here, but I I feel like something must be done.
Speaker 3:Um, all right, let's see I think we have to recognize well, this could be yeah, we're kind of like we're floating in between here because we're waiting for her to start speaking, but I think we have to recognize that the enemies within the church are not only not any different than the secular enemies that killed someone a couple days ago, they're the progenitors of those enemies. What do you mean? The bishop in Charlotte? Sure he's not going to kill anyone, but is he really any different than than the, than the ghoul, celebrating the death of a man? Than the ghoul celebrating the death of the mass.
Speaker 2:Yeah, people's parishes yeah, yeah, there is something so ghoulish about that. Um, oh, the other, the other thing, uh, that I got sidetracked from because I got so upset. You were bringing up like the guys calling everybody trad ink and criticizing them, right, yeah, and what I've realized in the past couple of days is that there really isn't a stratosphere anymore.
Speaker 3:It's kind of it's splintered for sure.
Speaker 2:Not just splintered, it's People are.
Speaker 3:Hereintered.
Speaker 2:Here she is All right.
Speaker 6:Good evening. My name is Erica Kirk. Charlie Kirk is my husband. I first want to thank the local, state and federal law enforcement who worked tirelessly to capture my husband's assassin so that he can be brought to justice.
Speaker 2:Will we get struck for this? I?
Speaker 6:want to thank the first responders who struggled heroically.
Speaker 3:Do you care, heroically.
Speaker 6:To save Charles's life. Do you care Heroically To save Charles' life? And the police who acted bravely to make sure that there were no other victims on that terrible afternoon? I want to thank the officers who have protected our Turning Point USA family these past two days and I want to thank the Turning Point USA board, the COO, Justin Strife, and my husband's chief of staff, the amazing Mikey McCoy, for all their work in these terrible days to be the stability for our family and for the wider Turning Point USA family as well, for our family and for the wider Turning Point USA family as well. My heart is with every one of my husband's employees who lost a friend and a mentor. I want to thank the staffers of this, his amazing Charlie Kirk show, who helped him broadcast from this studio. This, this is here Every day. He loved it. He loved what he did.
Speaker 6:I want to thank the millions of people who have shown their love for Charlie here in Phoenix, across America and worldwide. I want to thank my husband's dear friend, Vice President Vance, and his phenomenal wife Usha for their love and support. You guys honored my husband so well, bringing him home. You both are tremendous. I want to thank President Trump and his incredible family for the same. Mr President, my husband loved you and he knew that you loved him too he did. Your friendship was amazing. You supported him so well, as did he for you.
Speaker 6:Two days ago, my husband, Charlie, went to see the face of his Savior and his God. Charlie always said that when he was gone he wanted to be remembered for his courage and for his faith. In one of the final conversations that he had on this earth, my husband witnessed for his Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Now and for all eternity, he will stand at his Savior's side, wearing the glorious crown of a martyr side, wearing the glorious crown of a martyr. Charlie loved, loved life. He loved his life. He loved America. He loved nature, which helped him always bring him closer to God. He loved the Chicago Cubs and, my goodness, did he love the Oregon Ducks. He wanted me to say go Ducks. So I have to, since they play on Saturday. So go Ducks.
Speaker 6:But most of all, Charlie loved his children and he loved me with all of his heart and I knew that every day. I knew that he made sure. I knew that every day. Every day, he would ask me how can I serve you better? How can I be a better husband? How can I be a better father? Every day, every day. He was such a good man. He still is a good man. He was the perfect father. He was the perfect husband.
Speaker 6:Charlie always believed that God's design for marriage in the family was absolutely amazing and it is. It is and it was the greatest joy of his life. And over and over he would tell all these young people to come and find their future spouse, become wives and husbands and parents. And the reason why is because he wanted you all to experience what he had and still has. He wanted everyone to bring heaven into this earth through love and joy that comes from raising a family. It's beautiful. Charlie always said that if he ever ran for office I know a lot of you asked if he ever was going to, but privately he told me if he ever did run for office, that his top priority would be to revive the American family. That was his priority.
Speaker 6:One of Charlie's favorite Bible verses was Ephesians 5, verse 25. Verses was Ephesians 5, verse 25. Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her. My husband laid down his life for me, for our nation, for our children. He showed the ultimate and true covenantal love. I will never, ever have the words to describe the loss that I feel in my heart. I honestly have no idea what any of this means. I know that God does, but I don't. But, Charlie, baby, I know you do too. I know you do. So does our Lord.
Speaker 6:And our world is filled with evil. But our God, you guys, our God, is so good, so incredibly good, and we know that for those who love God, all things work together for good For those who are called according to his purpose, for those who are called according to his purpose. Already I have seen the worldwide outpouring of love for my husband. I've heard the testimonies from people my husband inspired to get married, to start families, to seek out a relationship with God. It's the most important, most important one of all. With God, it's the most important, most important one of all. The evildoers responsible for my husband's assassination have no idea what they have done. They killed Charlie because he preached a message of patriotism, faith and of God's merciful love. They should all know this. If you thought that my husband's mission was powerful before, you have no idea. You have no idea what you just have unleashed across this entire country and this world. You have no idea. You have no idea the fire that you have ignited within this wife. The cries of this widow will echo around the world like a battle cry to everyone listening tonight across america. The movement my husband built will not die. It won't. I refuse to let that happen. It will not die. All of us will refuse to let that happen. No one will ever forget my husband's name, and I will make sure of it. It will become stronger, bolder, louder and greater than ever. My husband's mission will not end, not even for a moment, and one of charlie's greatest talents was his ability, this phenomenal ability to choose great people to follow him. He could always find the ones who could handle any setback and it's almost like he knew he just he could see it in you Even when you couldn't see it in yourself. He just knew he knew you could handle it. You thought you only had 5% left and he knew you had 15. He knew you were ready to go that extra mile, even when you didn't. He always challenged people around him to work harder and to be better. He never gave up, and I love knowing that one of his, one of his mottos was never surrender. So I want to tell you that that we'll never surrender. We never will, ever, ever, ever. Our campus tour this fall will continue. There will be even more tours in the years to come. America Fest here in Phoenix this December will go on. It will be greater than ever, the radio and podcast show that he was so proud of will go on. And in a world filled with chaos, doubt and uncertainty, my husband's voice will remain and it will ring out louder and more clearly than ever, and his wisdom will endure. My favorite my favorite too, but my husband's favorite word in the English language was earn. He would call all of you to be people of action who earn the future America deserves. So.
Speaker 6:To all of the young people who felt inspired by my husband's faith in hard work, all of you already know what Charlie would want you to do. You know. You know If you're in high school or if you're in college, go find your local Turning Point USA chapter, join it, stay involved. He wants you to make a difference and you can. You can. The movement's not going anywhere and it will only grow stronger when you join it. The movement's not going anywhere and it will only grow stronger when you join it. If there isn't a chapter you can't find one then start one. There is no excuse. You can start one.
Speaker 6:And, as my husband used to say in this room every single day, if you want to get involved, the best way you can do that is going to tpusacom. That's what he would say every day from this chair, every single day. I watched his show every day and he would always say if you want to get involved, go to tpusacom. If you're a pastor, join our movement at TPUSA Faith, and if you're a parent, I highly recommend that you come to AmericaFest in December. Sign up right now for that, because we would love to see you. I would love to see you, charlie would. He'll be there. He'll be there in spirit. Bring your kids, bring your family, but, most important of all, if you aren't a member of a church, I beg you to join one, a Bible-believing church.
Speaker 6:Our battle is not simply a political one. Above all, it is spiritual. It is spiritual. The spiritual warfare is palpable. Charlie loved his Savior with all of his heart and he wanted every one of you to know him too. He loved his Savior with all of his heart and he wanted every one of you to know him too. He wanted everyone to know that if they confess, if they confess the Lord Jesus Christ, who rose from the dead, then they will be saved. Hear me when I say this nobody is ever too young to know the gospel. Nobody, nobody is ever too young to get involved with saving this beautiful country, this country my husband loved and still loves. And nobody is ever too old either. There's no age limit. I know my husband is still here. He's watching over us. I don't remember the last time I slept, I couldn't sleep last night, and Charlie, baby Charlie, I promise I will never let your legacy die. Baby, I won't. I promise I'll make Turning Point USA the biggest thing that this nation has ever seen.
Speaker 2:Stay home with your children.
Speaker 6:I promise Charlie, I love you. I love you, baby, rest in the arms of our Lord as he blankets you with the words I know your heart always strives to hear. Well done, my good and faithful servant. When I got home last night, gigi, our daughter, just ran into my arms and I talked to her and she said Mommy, I missed you. I said I miss you too, baby. She goes where's daddy? You tell a three-year-old, she's three. I said, baby, daddy loves you so much. Don't you worry, he's on a. He's on a work trip with Jesus so he can afford your blueberry budget. And, my goodness, am I so humbled to witness, charlie, you alongside jesus right now, doing what you always want to do. Baby, making heaven crowded right, that's what it's all about making heaven crowded. I can't wait to see you again one day. Thank you all again who love my husband, who supported him, who wrote him an email every single day during his radio show. He read all of them, all of them. He read all of them, all of them. God bless you all.
Speaker 2:And may God bless America. Man, you think that, like we were affected by that video, we saw this poor woman was there, she was there with him.
Speaker 3:Like how, oh man, I don't think my wife could have done that I just don't think my wife could have done that but the only thing michael often has done since that woman lost her husband was shit on his memory and even the people in the comments saying he was a zionist, he was this and that like yeah, they're blocked.
Speaker 2:No, like, yeah, we don't know. Man like literally don't know. Um, we've heard plenty of rumors about him going to mass with his wife. Like you guys gotta chill out, you gotta chill out. We don't know what was going on in his heart. I'm not one of those people who's like all protestants go to heaven, that's know what was going on in his heart. I'm not one of those people who's like, oh, protestants go to heaven, that's not what's going on here. Like the man was seen at mass.
Speaker 2:We've heard rumors that he was privately being instructed in the Catholic faith. We've heard enough evidence that it's all right to give this man a little bit of leeway and we don't need to jump down his throat for being a problem. Honestly, when the protestants did that with the catholic kids, like I was so disgusted with their behavior. I'm not going to participate in that. God knows where his soul is. It is not on any of us to judge where his soul is right now.
Speaker 2:The man was I mean, I don't care like this woman just got up there and the entire time thanked God in the face of losing her husband before the entire world. The man's throat was ripped apart and she literally got up and thanked God and told everybody Like she preached the gospel before the world a day after her husband was murdered, before everybody. I don't know what to tell you guys that are I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not. This isn't about an ecumenical thing. I'm not. What to tell you guys that are I'm not trying, this isn't about an ecumenical thing, it's nothing to do with that.
Speaker 3:If you guys don't see, Until you guys are up in front of crowds every day for a decade talking about Jesus. Maybe just shut your mouth. Maybe just shut your mouth and think about that and have a little freaking humility.
Speaker 2:And just like empathy, like this woman just's their husband. Like what are you gonna do? You want to sit there and you want to critique all this stuff. Like just stop, just stop. Like honestly. I mean I have an article here that says charlie kirk refused netanyahu funding offer, was frightened for his life. Like there's so many, there's so much stuff we don't know that went on behind the scenes. We don't know.
Speaker 3:This isn't one of those where it's like and none of it matters anyways, because what's coming for us is what is coming for us, and if we're not ready for that, if all we do is bitch and complain about oh, he was a Zionist or no, he wasn't, and that's why Israel killed him, I don't care.
Speaker 2:The left is coming for us, all of them. I know this. I know his wife is catholic and I know his wife's a daily mask goer and the woman's doing the best she can and she just stood in front of her husband while he was murdered before the world. Her kids like her, like I don't. I don't know, man, I don't know if my wife would have it in her to do something like that.
Speaker 3:You know, I don't know you're gonna call him a zionist in front of his little three-year-old girl. You'll never see your daddy again. He's sick.
Speaker 2:People, people, people are just like, so jaded from the internet, so jaded from the internet, and you and you think it's like it's always time to like roast the like. Come on, guys, have a little bit of empathy for a woman who's going through hell right now, going through hell, and while she's in that hell she gets up, carries her cross and tells everybody to love Jesus Christ and her suffering, like what you talk about carrying your car like that. I don't know a better example of that the woman thanking God in the midst of one of the most horrific sufferings you can imagine. I don't know, you guys want to just be complete black-pilled savages. Go ahead, do it. I don't know where you think that helps your spiritual life. I'm not going to participate in it because I telling you, when I watched lizzie and chad and all them doing this garbage, when those poor catholic children were killed by that sociopath last week, like it sickened me, it was like I can't believe.
Speaker 3:You guys can't put the stupid animosity between protestants and catholics down for a couple of days and here's the thing when the left does really come for us, I fully expect those same people to find crazy-ass excuses as to why they can't stand with us. Then at that point too, they will. They'll find a reason. We weren't Catholic enough, or we're now Israeli cucks too, they'll find some reason.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're the kind that go run and hide yeah, that was a hard thing to watch, man, and especially like like she kept it together and and she she used that time. You know a million, millions of people are going to watch that and she just talked about jesus christ for 15 minutes, 20 minutes like one of the comments said, like that very well might be the speech that literally converts a generation her husband was just killed and she didn't use it to spew hatred to the, to the people that did this or to the left.
Speaker 2:She didn't do any of that. She hatred to the people that did this or to the left. She didn't do any of that. She could have. She had every right. I mean, she actually had the attention of the world just there. She could have given any message she wanted.
Speaker 3:I said it on Twitter like an hour before the speech, but it almost felt like it could be one of those events out of antiquity, like Antony giving the funeral speech for caesar. Now you know, when most people think of that, they think of shakespeare's version of it. We have no idea what the real one was like, but, like she, she still could have an army at her fingertips if she called for it, and I wouldn't blame her. It wouldn't be right necessarily and I'll tell you something I was like I.
Speaker 2:I saw I see people like getting on nick for like having a month ago he was trashing charlie and then last last night he got on and he was very decent to charlie. It's like the man just died. What do you want nick to do? Get on and try, like I think.
Speaker 3:I think nick's show last night was actually really good it was the only one of his I've ever seen and I understand that isn't maybe his typical show, but from watching it every criticism I've heard about him seems wrong. But like I said, I understand it's maybe not typical, but there's nothing wrong with that show last night that he did.
Speaker 2:Steve Cunningham just texted me. He said tell the commenters he was the only one telling Trump not to attack Iran and, though a fan of Israel, he called out ethnic cleansing on Shapiro's show days ago. He was moving from the Zionist ideas and noticed Ben Shapiro and notice Shapiro wants to take over, which is Bibi's talking head. So we do have an article here talking about that. You want to pull that up real quick, rob? Sure, charlie Kirk refused Netanyahu's funding offer. I got sick in Detroit. I got a cold. Charlie Kirk refused Netanyahu's funding offer. Was frightened by pro-Israel forces before death. Friends reveal.
Speaker 2:A Trump insider and longtime friend of Charlie Kirk tells the gray zone now that the assassinated conservative leaders turning point on Israel influence provoked a private backlash from Netanyahu's allies. That left him angry and afraid. The source said anxiety spread within the Trump administration after an apparent Israeli spy operation was uncovered. Charlie Kirk rejected an offer earlier this year from Netanyahu to arrange a massive new infusion of Zionist money into his TPUSA organization. Now you have to understand. They got their start with Zionist money right, so they get their start with this money and they were molding Charlie to be a Zionist.
Speaker 2:Now I have watched over the past few months, charlie start to go questioning things and going. I don't know man, I don't understand. I'm like one of their biggest supporters and all I'm seeing is, if you question anything, they flip out on you and like these are things that he said on camera and he's said oh, not, not, not sure if you heard it. Before switching over the first word, she whispered to herself when she got on camera where jesus filled his room. Um, now, now you have to think about what that means. Now they start this organization, they pump money into it and they're molding this zionist and then he starts to turn on them. This is like the tax collector the jewish tax collector to they didn't kill him. I'm not saying they killed him, I'm just saying the anger there.
Speaker 3:Sure, but why talk about it if it has nothing to do with this?
Speaker 2:I'm just I'm all right, I don't know.
Speaker 3:I mean I just I don't know. I'm just so sick of everything having to be turned into conspiracy.
Speaker 2:And I'm not saying it was them. And I'm not saying it was them. I'm not saying you mean to but everyone in the chat wanted us to talk about this the anger from that group towards him I'm talking about because everybody's accusing him of being a Zionist and I'm just saying, if that, if this is true, what happened? And he starts to turn on them like the anger that's there. It's like a betrayal. You know what I mean. So I'm not. I has nothing to do with yeah, but no, you're right.
Speaker 2:It is proof that he that he really wasn't a zionist I mean, he was definitely leaning away from that at this point. Um uh. Nick's speech was phenomenal. Gave insight into how this is a spiritual battle. Call to action and get involved politically, not to fall into violence and revolution like guys. I'm telling you right now, this whole thing there's just feds all over it watching what everybody says that they. There is this desire to see america devolve into chaos and violence, into sectarian outrage and and and different kinds of things like what she just did. There was beautiful she. She just talked about her gratitude to God in the face of her husband being killed. She didn't call for violence. She didn't call for outrage at the left. Even even putting this in left verse right Dialectic is infuriating to me.
Speaker 2:I was right, because the american right really isn't right there yeah there's just two I, I don't even like the political language anymore, man, it's, this is we're so beyond this getting fixed or going republican people.
Speaker 3:People are saying, oh, the democrats will never win again, like who cares if they don't have to, because if the if the republicans win again, well then the democrats won again, like it's the same thing, there's no difference.
Speaker 2:So I don't. I don't see a political solution to any of this. If we still have to vote, we've lost. I just don't. I just like anybody looking for a political solution to this. There isn't one. No, not, not within.
Speaker 3:I mean not, there is not a political solution in the sense of the american political system, correct any. Any solution that isn't divine, any solution that comes from some sort of human action is political just by its very nature.
Speaker 2:But, yes, there is no solution to be found in within the American political system that's all I'm saying, right 100, and I think we are much better taking our battle to the church, because that's where the root of this all lies. The whole, the whole root of all this lies in the fact that the church no longer is boldly speaking the truth well, I mean just so.
Speaker 3:I mean there's a lot of argument right now. Is the church growing, is the church dying? And in a sense it's both right, but I think I think there's not much argument in that there is a revival in the church amongst the young right now. Yes, it's being outpaced by by boom, by boomers dying and leaving the church and stuff like that. Sure, but if you think about it, with it as broken as the church is right now, it is what it offers to the world quietly and hiddenly, as it is right now, with it being so broken, is still so attractive to the youth that it is right now, with it being so broken, is still so attractive to the youth that it is converting a generation, at least the men in the generation. Yeah, imagine what it could do If we could figure the church out, if we could fix the church, the, the the way I see it is I.
Speaker 2:If the church is in her passion, what you would expect to see is a weakened state of the church. It's like Christ was just scourged at the pillar and he's weakened, and that's just kind of how I see the state of the hierarchy right now. But that doesn't mean we are in that state. We still have every bit of ability to go out and speak to people and speak about the gospel and things like that now. So, like getting back to the earlier conversation, we were talking about trad inc and things like that. Like there is like the, the trad online sphere is broken. It's very broken. There's no. Under francis there was this excitement and people always wanted to consume a clear enemy to unite against right and that that whole dynamic is different under leo.
Speaker 2:It just is, people are just kind of done with it. Leo's leo's not going to come out with some crazy statement that's going to fire up the lady. So there isn't really this trad ink place, like everybody thinks. It's about money. There's no money left in trad Catholicism, like it's just, it's kind of a dead thing at this point and people have to adapt and figure out where we are and I think the, the, the. We're no longer in a position in a, in a place where it's like okay, we have, we have to criticize Francis and then a rile of faithful up. No, we're at a point now where we just have to actually preach the gospel in ways that are going to turn hearts Right. So, um, just different conversations you're having with people.
Speaker 2:People are seeing something like the charlie kirk incident and they're recognizing that like there's something seriously wrong with our world and it makes no sense on a political conversation like it's. This isn't a political thing, it's not really right verse left. We are actually dealing with good verse evil, because people are losing their minds for no apparent reason. Political thing. It's not really right versus left. We are actually dealing with good versus evil, because people are losing their minds for no apparent reason. I mean it's that Charlie Kirk was the most like, mildly like. He was just so mild in his.
Speaker 2:He was the Pope Leo of conservative, yeah, like he was so mild in his controversy he was you know, yeah, this is kind of so. This is kind of how I feel, like I I think leo's just kind of milquetoast like. He's not really like I, I don't. I don't know, he's just kind of a boring papacy and that's kind of what you're gonna have, and I think that's frustrating people and they don't know what to do, because for 10 years people have been like francis is the enemy and it's like that never should have been the case in the first place. Never should have been. The pope is the like.
Speaker 2:It's such a bizarre position to have as a catholic. No, with who's the enemy? Is the devil? I don't think like satan is our enemy we are up against. We're not up against flesh and blood, we are up against powers and principalities and things like this. So our lady of kibeho in africa warned that there would be a bloodshed on the streets if people did not convert. One tribe slaughtered another because the government dehumanized one of the tribes and they were. I have been thinking about that situation an awful lot lately because you hear the way people are talking about each other and all the left and all the Democrats are crazy and all that. There's nothing that benefits the devil more than when we hate our fellow citizen and when you can't, when you dehumanize them and you think they are no longer people. And that's what the left is doing to us, right? They actually think you see some of the videos that are coming out.
Speaker 2:They're just so insane where they're reveling in the death of Charlie Kirk and they think it's a good thing. We cannot fall victim to that. Like you really can't fall victim to that and start saying all leftists are this. Like, yes, there are crazy leftists and anybody that is Democrat is clearly not well, but the idea that we are it's right versus left it's an easy way to divide and conquer this nation, man. Like there's ways to go about this where you have to love your enemy to the point of martyrdom, and I don't know if any of us are willing to do that. We'd rather just hate our enemies, and that's a very easy way to go about this our enemies, and that's a very easy way to go about this, and in.
Speaker 1:None of that means do not be ready to take necessary action if and when that time comes yes, that is not what anthony's saying.
Speaker 2:No, you can love your enemy while you destroy them to protect your family love your enemies to the point of martyrdom is more like being willing to die for the faith. That's. It's not like that. That's what it is being willing to die for the faith. It's not lay down while somebody murders your family like that's a very that's not. What we're saying here is the two totally different things. I'm saying just we can't just make this a right verse, left thing. That's not. That's actually exactly what. What they want. They want us to think this is just so simple as republicans and democrats, and it's just not. Should we not be more firm about excluding those that hate us from our spaces and such like that? So it depends on the space. Well, can we bring up Michael?
Speaker 3:Knowles' tweet Sure, I would say, obviously, like, for instance, your parish, your church, be careful, like if a crazy someone looks like a crazy leftist comes in, be careful and be prepared, but the church has to be open to everyone. You know, until they do something where they need to be removed, until they do something where they need to be removed, but other than church. Yeah, I think we need to get back to the whole idea of free association. It's okay to move somewhere, to be away from certain people.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, for sure it's okay to, if you have certain organizations, to not have certain people in them. Like, yeah, it is okay to exclude those who hate you from basically everything but the church.
Speaker 2:So that's where Michael Knowles' tweet comes in.
Speaker 2:Okay, Let me find it In the wake of Charlie's assassination, many people are demanding that we redouble our devotion to the free marketplace of ideas. This call seems at first glance courageous and noble. In reality, it is reckless and impractical. We had an open marketplace of ideas. The left shot it up.
Speaker 2:Not only have extreme leftists committed violence and like he is using this dialect of extreme leftists and stuff but I want to point to a couple of things he says in here that are important. Not only have extreme leftists committed violence in the marketplace of ideas. More scandalous still, mainstream left wing voices have cheered and made light of the violence. There can be no open marketplace of ideas. More scandalous still, mainstream left-wing voices have cheered and made light of the violence. There can be no open marketplace of ideas or anything else under such conditions. Marketplaces require rules, confidence and common media of exchange. They require, in other words, order. Liberty requires order. One cannot be both free and undisciplined, for instance, or free and ignorant. We know this philosophically and we also know it intuitively. It's why we don't let toddlers vote. What we require now is the reassertion of order. We must insist upon the acceptance of basic truths and moral goods, not as an asymptomatic goal.
Speaker 2:That's not what he wrote. No, not as the asymptomatic goal. That's not what he wrote, though no, it's asymptotic asymptotic. You didn't send the tweet to me, so I didn't pull it up, uh I'll send it to you?
Speaker 2:uh, I don't want to lose it I'll just keep reading yeah, um, it's like his third tweet if you want to go to his profile. Uh, and suicidal ideologies. We must foreclose certain antisocial behaviors and suicidal ideologies. We must, to borrow a phrase from Chesterton, stop the thought that stops thought. In practical terms, this means we must stigmatize certain evil ideas and behaviors and we must ostracize people who insist upon them. More practically, this means that people who persist in such disorder should lose their social standing. In certain cases, they should lose their jobs. There must be consequences. So this whole crusade that we've seen go on on Twitter, where, if you see somebody like reveling in this thing, get them fired. I sent emails today. Yeah, get them fired. This is not a joke. These people do not belong in polite society.
Speaker 3:They are derangedanged, evil lunatics the left was not wrong about cancel culture. They were wrong about who should be canceled? Correct ostracized ostracization ostracizing people?
Speaker 2:yeah, yeahstracizing people, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, ostracizing people has been a tool society's used to keep society safe forever.
Speaker 2:So, look, it was a few years ago where when we would say something, they would cancel us, cut us out and basically excommunicate us from the conversation. It's time that gets reversed and anybody that's talking like this has to get canceled, deplatformed and put out of the conversation. It's time that gets reversed and anybody that's talking like this has to get canceled, you know, de-platformed and put out of the conversation Anybody. This is why it was good what Christian Wagner did today to Michael Lofton. So it may have it may have seemed mean what Christian was doing. In reality it was pure charity.
Speaker 3:That, that, yes, that, yeah, exactly O. Ostracizing from someone from society serves the same purpose as excommunicating from them, them from the church, and it is to make them reflect in in turn to repent and reform their ways before you let them back in the conversation right with but it is also to protect ourselves, correct?
Speaker 3:it is because one of the people I sent emails about today is a pediatrician who thinks Charlie Kirk deserved to die because he said what they thought were evil things. This person, by the way, thinks they're a Catholic. That person should be nowhere near the health of children Ever, ever again. They should never have a medical license ever again. They should not. Even. I don't think they should never have a medical license ever again. They should not even. I don't think they should be welcome. I know I said we should welcome everyone in the church, but well, what version of church are they being welcomed into anyway?
Speaker 2:but so look, even when I was listening to like am radio today, when I was going to the store and they were presenting the charlie kirk situation, the news reporter said uh, they, you know, they found the assassin of charlie kirk. He's in custody right now. Charlie kirk, known for his racist comments and brought up when, when, when uh, katanji jackson was, you know, brought in the supreme court that charlie kirk said she was a dei hire. Like they have to cage his death in these comments that they perceive as racist. Because we played the clip last night, um, I'm gonna actually send it to you again so you can play it again. Um, we played it last night with hitchborn. Hitchborn sent it to us. Um, I'm gonna send it because I want to play this again right now.
Speaker 2:Hang on um yeah, if it's one hitchborn sent, it's not it's the one hitchborns that I'm sending it to the group chat right now. Okay, so I got it. So what you saw was this kid. That was the one who asked the question to charlie kirk. He was about to say to charlie kirk well well, the left isn't the one who's violent. And all of a sudden the irony struck him that it was the left isn't the one who's violent. And all of a sudden the irony struck him that it was the left who was being violent and taking his life right. But the reason this kid thought that, that he thought the left isn't violent, is because he's receiving a news feed from people who do what that newscaster that I was talking about does, where they cage everything in a way to make it seem like what Charlie got was his, what he deserved. Right, we played the Elon Omar clip yesterday where she was like well, you know, he didn't think Juneteenth should be a holiday and he called George.
Speaker 2:Floyd a scumbag and that means he should die like are you people that sick play? Play the kid on scene. And this is the kid who asked charlie kirk the question right before he was shot.
Speaker 5:The last question and people have obviously pointed to the irony that I was. The point that I was trying to make is how peaceful the left was right before he got shot and that that only makes sense if we stay peaceful. And as much as I disagree with charlie kirk I'm on the record for how much I disagree with charlie kirk but like man dude, he is still a human being. Have we forgotten that? Are we great like? And people have obviously pointed to the irony good for this kid.
Speaker 2:Good for this kid because there are some people that see the evil of what happened here and and they're not just running down that road. Um, somebody's asking are there other benefits of joining locals besides getting to see the full show? Well, lately, what we've been doing is allowing our locals members to actually come on the show yeah, it's true like we've.
Speaker 2:We've been letting locals members come on the show and actually hang with us. Um, uh, yeah, telegram chat, uh, invites to meetups. You guys will have first dibs when we do certain things and I'll be honest, like tonight show, if you enjoyed tonight show, this is very much a local show, especially the beginning of the show, yeah, um yeah, it's kind of what we it's, where we kind of vent and tell more personal stuff and things like that. You get to see Anthony's coin. But I've also been thinking about some other things we could do potentially. I have some ideas in the works, but we really do want to build up our locals as much as we can. And I'm sorry I know you guys hate when I say it, but I think there's something unique about our show. We interact with you guys way more than anybody else does.
Speaker 3:This comment came through while we were watching Erica and it struck me.
Speaker 2:Thank you guys for playing this. I can't imagine watching this live, live without my ab family here with me. Yeah, there's something, um, I hope I have, because I kind of feel like I'm just hanging with my friends when I'm on here with you guys, and I don't know any other show that has that feel. So it's, but it's much more. Uh, yeah, locals is the after party, so, yeah, if you guys aren't locals members, we would appreciate you joining. It is how rob and I keep the lights on. Youtube doesn't pay us anything. Youtube hates us in the algorithm. It's just the way it is. Uh, we butchered the title yesterday, which was stupid on our part.
Speaker 3:Um, yeah, apparently, when you just put dates, it does not help the algorithm I think it might have been a copyrighted song at the beginning too.
Speaker 2:But yeah, we do the best we can. Tonight we're actually when we go over to locals. It's going to be probably a very long local show because I'm having a beer and it's Friday night, I don't have to wake up in the morning. There is I give you guys a hard time. But there's a reason I watch all the time it's like hanging out with my brothers.
Speaker 3:we appreciate you, missus.
Speaker 2:I'm on my third bourbon yeah, I'm on my my third pumpkin beer. I got peronis next, though we're not going away tonight. Tonight we're hanging um, but I'm having fun on youtube. We won't kill, we'll hang on youtube a little longer. Um, we? I like a friday night show because I don't have the pressure of waking up in the morning. Um, but I tomorrow's hunting season, right, I gotta get up early and go hunting and honestly, I am so excited for it, I need it so bad it's a good.
Speaker 2:It's a good way to unwind after this tumultuous week.
Speaker 3:Man um if you can get in the country, sure, sure, but we are going to make you leave after no yeah.
Speaker 2:So yeah, we we let a no go ahead. Um, we we did let a couple of guys. We actually had a young guy came on our our local show last night and he said he disagrees with 85% of what we do, but he's still a locals member, so it's like he thinks we're.
Speaker 3:he disagrees with 85% of our liturgical and theological takes. Okay, he's obviously okay with what we do.
Speaker 2:Do you want to know? What he said was our most outrageous take that he was. That was the thing he was really uh upset about. Okay, so the most egregious take I've heard you guys make is that taking children to the novus ordo can be damaging to their soul, along with other comments in a similar vein happy to discuss anything, have a great day. So he may come on and discuss that with us. And I said to him it sounds something like more like Rob would have said.
Speaker 2:I don't think I would have said it quite like that you said it like that, but I know what I what I would say is the Novus Ordo as it's presented in its form in the majority of parishes can be damaging to your child's faith.
Speaker 2:I don't think I would say it would be damaging to their soul, as if going to the Novus Ordo would send you to hell or something, but I think the Novus Ordo as it's presented in the majority of parishes can absolutely damage a child's faith, because it damaged my faith. It made me lose my faith because it was presented in such a cartoonish way that it didn't present true Catholicism to me. And it wasn't until I was presented with true Catholicism that I started to take my faith seriously and it and it stabilized my faith and I I've found that it's pretty similar for my own children, right. So if I was taking them to the happy clappy local Nova Sordo, I think it would be damaging to their faith. I don't, I don't know he may disagree with that, but he also admitted, I guess I would have asked him if he had children that's true, that's another good question.
Speaker 2:But he also said he goes to a unicorn nova sordo. Now I I almost feel like people that are in that situation are being selfish, because just because you found a unicorn nova sordo, which I don't even know if there are, that many of those and a lot of people think they have a unicorn nova sordo because they let you receive it or something.
Speaker 3:But my priest doesn't wear a clown suit.
Speaker 2:I'm in a unicorn, nova sordo no, but it's like there there's, you know, I don't know, maybe, maybe they do have the ad orientum, the gregorian chant, only altar boys receiving, only kneeling in on the tongue.
Speaker 3:I, I don't think that's very yeah, they do until the next bishop comes in and that's the other thing, right so?
Speaker 2:yeah I, I, I would. I would make that comment under certain circumstances. I wouldn't just say the novus ordo inherently could damage your child's soul, I but the way it is presented and in a lot of places definitely good. So we'll have that discussion with him. Um, and then we. And then we had another young guy came on last night who said, uh, he's a new convert. Uh, he came in just this past easter and he said that our show has helped him immensely. So, like you know what it is, um, our show is kind of weird because a lot of times we're just goofing around or we're talking about something that's going on in the culture and then other times something comes up deep and we wind up going into something theological. I don't. You never know where we're going to end up. So, um has any we have one on the show. I'm on every episode. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2:um, if, um, oh, the kid that I took the kid this is an update um, the kid that I took to church, uh, so the the following week I wasn't able to take him and then I asked him to come. This past sunday was, yeah, was it this past? Yeah, this past sunday I asked him to come and he had a death in his family and his entire family had to attend church together because they had a death in the family. And I didn't want to dig too deep because I'm not that close with the kid yet right so supposedly he's going to come this sunday coming up.
Speaker 2:He just couldn't make it last sunday, so he is going to come again nice.
Speaker 3:What was I gonna say? Oh, um, would it like betray your trust or something if I somehow got some of your DNA through saliva and sent it in to 23andMe under a fake name to figure out if you are African?
Speaker 2:Under a fake name, I would do it. Okay, under a fake name, I'll send it in myself. Will they let you do that?
Speaker 3:I mean just say, your name is Nicholas Cavazos. Yeah, I'll do that.
Speaker 2:I mean, just say your name is nicholas cavazos. Yeah, I'll do that, and then we'll tell everybody nick cavazos is really african. We'll have proof because we'll have paperwork to say it. It would be hilarious, holy cow. Do we have an update for this too? Um, how's the boat repairs coming? I got a call today that the motor came in. I'm like, oh awesome, right in time for winter. I'm half tempted to tell the guy to keep the boat. What do I want? What do I want it for the winter? I don't even want it anymore.
Speaker 3:It's too cold to even go on it yeah, I mean there might be full-on civil war by next spring.
Speaker 2:You might never use it again I'm not 70, but I'm probably okay. So let's figure this out my mom is 50% Irish and 50% Italian. My dad is 75% Italian and like 25% German.
Speaker 3:So I don't know. So you're, you're 60 to 62.5 percent italian, 25 percent irish, and what would that be then? Would that be 12.5?
Speaker 2:guys, I like the italian thing is a larp. I'm a mutt, I'm a legit mutt and my kids forget it Because my wife's like German-Hungarian, so my kids have even less.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but your son sounds like you man. I know you think he does it.
Speaker 4:But hearing him last night.
Speaker 3:he sounds like Zoomer you, you think so 100% man Really. Yeah, yeah. He was probably a little nervous. He doesn't have the New York accent like I do? Yeah, he does, but it's just not quite as strong.
Speaker 2:He was probably pretty nervous because I heard he was talking really loud because he wanted to make sure the mic picked him up.
Speaker 3:He was definitely it didn't sound loud to me, though.
Speaker 2:But I was right next to him and he was trying to make sure you got it. But I saw even the way he was moving. He was a little nervous. He wanted to make sure he performed well on the show. New Catholic here. Thanks to you two, I'm going to my second TLM Mass this Sunday at an FSSP. But this is what I mean. You guys don't know. You don't know why I do stuff like that, because it I just got frustrated I tried telling you I got frustrated and I don't like doing that, um, not to somebody who doesn't deserve it.
Speaker 2:I don't think she deserves it, it was just I think I know we're just all on we.
Speaker 3:We have short tempers this week, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, definitely. But I know what she's doing. She's trying to find a way. This is, she was all right, all right, I'm that's it. I'm not apologizing, that's it. I'm standing by what I said. I mean it should be an apology.
Speaker 3:That's part of the outro. Look at my pin tweet, angela I do do this too much.
Speaker 2:Um, like I lose my temper. I say something and then like, right away I feel bad and I'm like, oh man, um and I've. I'm a lot better about it now, but when I was younger, um, when I was younger it was bad. I haven't like in my, in my personal life. I haven't had to give an apology in years. But there was a time where I would always fly off the handle, lose my temper and make some, and I and I knew if somebody was mad at me I knew it was 99% my fault, because I have a tendency to either say something offensive or something. So I was always quick to apologize because I know a bit much. But it's been years, like in my, in my, it's been years in my personal life. I haven't. I haven't really had an issue with my temper in years. I haven't. I. And even the sarcasm in my personal life has really really reduced. Like I take it out on you guys on the show. Now you guys are, you guys are amazing for my, my personal life.
Speaker 2:I must say I do all the sarcastic you know joking on here and then I go into my real life and, uh, I'm very kind to my wife and children and all my relationships. Uh, is there an irish to bizlarp pipeline? Yeah, I saw some kid patrick who's pretending he's orthodox. Oh, and then we do, patrick, stop it. Stop it, patrick. You're not orthodox. You don't have some deep um, I have some mystical eastern spiritual.
Speaker 3:I shut up your name's, patrick, stupid you eat potatoes, not, uh, not greek hummus.
Speaker 2:I honestly have more respect for, like a, a presbyterian don't wait, there is.
Speaker 2:They're right, there is an irish to bislar pipeline there is an irish to bislar pipeline but bobby freely admits that if there was a latin mass near him he would go to that. He's just kind of stuck in like bad Novus Ordo land and it's either bad Novus Ordo land or I go to the east. So he started going to the. He might actually have some like Eastern tendencies now because he's been there for so long. But I still want to punch him in his face when he makes a sign of the cross backwards Just looks weird. Irish guy named Bobby making the sign of the cross upside down oh, backwards, not upside. He makes it right to. It's weird and they don't do like this. They don't go up here, they go from here down to their knees and then they come across and they have to make a big show of it.
Speaker 3:So Iggy, he's tired of it. Iggy, my four-year-old, he often makes the sign of the cross like that, because you know when you're watching someone make it, it's so you know, like Iggy make the sign of the cross, oh he's mimicking. So you know he'll do it backwards One day. I'm like, stop it. You look Greek, he just goes. Huh, I'm like, don't worry about that Never mind. Stop it.
Speaker 2:You look Greek, oh man, look greek, oh man, I'm actually. Uh, bobby and I are, so my uncle's selling the place. Um, we have one weekend left at the place and bobby's gonna come and drive up and meet me. You're gonna bring some guns he always does.
Speaker 3:Bobby, bring good uh, I don't know how many you have, but bring good, carry guns, because on local, they answered we were going to walk through applying for a new york ccw permit tonight yes, uh, I am beginning the process.
Speaker 2:So, um, I I spoke to a friend at work who has his and he's like it's really not difficult, it's just a long wait.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you just got to fill a bunch of paperwork out and you got to be meticulous about it, make sure you don't make any mistakes on it, and then you submit it and then it's just a waiting game yeah, so I mean it used to be new york and some other states were what what was called may issue, where you had to show some sort of cause or reason, but a supreme court decision made that basically illegal. Every state now is legally supposed to be shell issue, where as long as you aren't prohibited by law, they have to issue it, but those states that were may issue have made it basically just make it to where there's super long wait times, hoping people just decide not to do it, which is why you haven't done it up till this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe we should do that on a monday guns and rosaries show instead of tonight. That's a good. Guns and Rosaries show instead of tonight.
Speaker 3:That's a good idea actually.
Speaker 2:And maybe we could teach the audience how to go about doing it. Yeah, for those who are seeking to do it, maybe you guys will have me on as a guest and you guys will help me do that on a Guns and Rosaries episode.
Speaker 3:Now I don't know about New York, but lot there's like 29 states that are constitutional carry to where, as long as you're not prohibited, you can just do it. No, no, you know you don't need a permit um minnesota. You do in most states that do. I think you have to take some sort of stupid class in the class.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you have to take us. You have to gun safety class, absolutely, and it is stupid, but it's between 6 and 12 months is what my friend told me, but you do have to take a gun safety class I see minnesota has a law where you submit it to your sheriff and they have to give you a decision in 30 days.
Speaker 3:I wish they have to, by law, give you a decision in 30 days and honestly, it's like two weeks most of the time yeah, I mean it could be quicker, that's just I think new york just likes to give you a hard time about everything.
Speaker 2:So yes um, let's see anthony at the three white claws. All right, I killed the fish and then wrecked. I posted one picture of a pumpkin beer with a sugared rim glass today and everybody called me gay. I'm like I got fiducia supplicants on my side. You know, you guys, I just love that rob's drinking bourbon and every time he takes a sip he's like just try to get it down like you're enjoying it I mean alcohol.
Speaker 3:Is alcohol Like? It has that effect no matter what, but there is other flavors you can appreciate there.
Speaker 2:Pumpkin beer is based. Especially with the brown sugar on the rim it's good.
Speaker 3:Pumpkin beer is fine. Beer made from pumpkins is fine. Pumpkin spiced beer is gay.
Speaker 2:Let me explain something to you. I took Rob to Pennsylvania and I gave him a pumpkin beer with a sugar rim and a shot of vanilla whipped cream.
Speaker 3:Fake news everyone. That is what we call fake news here in the business.
Speaker 2:I promise you it's not fake and he goes. I hate to admit it, but this is Well. Of course it tastes good.
Speaker 3:It's pumpkin flavored beer with sugar on the rim. Of course it tastes good. I was flavored beer with sugar on the rim.
Speaker 2:Of course it tastes good whatever anthony drinks the gayest drinks I do, I don't care, I'm not ashamed of it, I don't. I I mean I'll drink whatever is put in front of me, like, if we're gonna go hard liquor, I will drink, uh, gin or tequila. I can drink tequila straight, like I don't need ice nothing I'll just drink tequila.
Speaker 3:I love tequila tequila I could drink just on the squirrel on the guinness. That was the craziest thing I've ever seen. What was that? In detroit, I ordered the guinness and it comes out with oh, that's right. Hold on let me see if I forgot about all the all of you not on twitter. Let me see anthony anthony's looking at the drink and he goes what do you think I should get? Don't just ask the waitress, who was a woman, what she likes to drink and you'll probably like it. He did say that.
Speaker 2:Meanwhile they were like some tough Irish girls. I don't know. They probably would have drank some nasty stuff over there, those chicks.
Speaker 3:Okay, let me see. Here's the picture.
Speaker 2:Yeah, look at how well done this was. It had to be a press or something. There's no way. Some stamp or something right.
Speaker 3:So that is on the head of the beer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, just crazy, pretty crazy. Yeah, yeah, they had some really interesting. Yeah, just crazy, pretty crazy. Yeah, yeah, they had some really interesting Irish food, like, rob got a shepherd's pie and it was just basically a baked potato.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they used a huge, like a huge baked potato.
Speaker 2:I never saw a shepherd's pie like that. It was wild.
Speaker 3:You know, I I didn't say it then because you were too busy talking, like usual, but I realized at that moment that I love shepherd's pie because it is just tater tot hot dish.
Speaker 2:Yeah, basically Right. Yeah, no, it's not tater tot hot.
Speaker 3:Yes, it is made with lamb instead of grand beef, but otherwise it's got the same other.
Speaker 2:It is not which I I that that that this stupid thief on the cross tweet is making the rounds on Facebook again. By like heavy metal bible group or something like, they're passing that stupid tweet around well, at least vanity fair didn't get a hold of that one yeah, all right, wait, do we have anything else in the uh thing that we wanted to discuss before we go to locals? Um, I don't know, rob you're, you're just buying the story. You're buying the story. You're buying the story that that kid did it.
Speaker 3:I think it is the most likely thing Now. I mean, is it likely he was connected with some sort of larger organization online? Yeah, but I mean he was part of the Democrat Socialists of America, dsa, maybe the John Brown Gun Club or something like that. There's lots of Antifa-type anarchist sorts of militias that he very well could have been a part of. I mean, is it possible that maybe someone from Israel was, you know, posing as someone online to influence him? Yeah, I don't know, it's definitely possible. But when it comes right down to it, I do think that one kid performed the action you know, pulled the trigger and escaped and was turned in by his dad.
Speaker 2:It's kind of a weird story. I don't know.
Speaker 3:But I'll go with you on this. Life is weird, right like yeah, we're all used to movies being having everything rob we're.
Speaker 2:I'm so cynical at this point from all the crap they've done that I'm just skeptical of everything now and anything that they present to us. I'm just like yeah, I don't believe. Like and that's a bad way to be like. It's like I want this to really be the thing and that we got the guy and I think that he should get, you know, the electric chair there is.
Speaker 3:There is no reason to say this. You're literally just making stuff.
Speaker 2:I'm with you, murphy family there's no reason to say that I'm with you, man, you have to have some sort of evidence before you make an asinine.
Speaker 3:All right, fine, but like if you don't think you did it then what happened?
Speaker 2:look, it's okay to agree to disagree, rob, like you can have your opinions and I, it's like, okay, charlie kirk, you're a gullible and I'm not. I don't know man, I just, dude, I have such a hard time believing that this is just the story. And I'm not saying you're like silly for believing it, I'm saying I am so jaded that I and I have no evidence to back up my version of events. I just, I don't know, I'm gonna see israel behind everything at this point. Okay, I, I know, I know what would be the point why?
Speaker 2:what would they all? Right, wait. Well, when I tried to get into it before you freaked out on me, I'm just what would they gain? So if charlie kirk right, he, I'm just throwing things here. This is just what I'm thinking. If charlie kirk and look, this is just hypothesis, guys, you don't have to be mad at me like I'm just saying, hypothetically, let's say you got the kid. He's pumped in with the zionist money and he's doing everything they want, and then he starts to turn. If charlie kirk turns, he's taking a lot of people with him. If he gets off the zion bandwagon.
Speaker 2:If they're found out how many more people turn, hear me out. They never get found out. They get away with everything. They got away with the towers, bro Stop. I'm just saying If he goes down as a martyr, he serves a way greater purpose to them than if he actually converts away from their thing and drags his millions of listeners along with him and starts pointing out the what, because what that article was saying is that there's no good if everyone thinks israel did it but not everyone thinks israel did it.
Speaker 2:Everyone thinks this kid did it no, that's. That's what I'm seeing online you do I'm not everyone, people like me that think israel did it, but, like the majority of people, think what you think, dude, they're very good. That's all I'm saying. Listen, this is I have. No. I have no evidence for what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:I understand, I'm the crazy one here, the the okay the only potential motive that I think would make sense for them to have done it is I haven't heard anyone mention epstein now for a few days okay, but also like no.
Speaker 2:You're saying, look, you guys have no idea how into like twitterverse you are. Like everyone's thing is israel is really just a bunch of crazy people on twitter. But like no, you you talk to anybody in the in your regular life. They're like oh, they caught the kid, like that's just the way.
Speaker 3:It is no one of my nut jobs like me. They don't care about anyone in my regular life all right, we got to do some locals everybody 90 of people don't care one way or the other, so that's not who they're trying to influence somebody was saying do we get anything else on locals besides the extra show? Well, this is what we do, usually the jew talk, but I guess youtube is getting that tonight all right.
Speaker 2:So wait, we're gonna no, we're gonna save that for locals because I will, I will, I will. I'll give my theories on that, on locals. But I do want to ask this everybody's a little mad at me because I, because of my response to this could you bring yourself to turning your own child over to the police if they confess to murder? And I said zero chance, I'd raise a murderer. As you know, I'd never raise a murderer, like there's no chance. But in the off chance my son had a psychotic break. I don't think I'd turn them over to the government. I don't I, because in my mind it's like, if my son has a psychotic break, like this kid did I, I think the government made him do it.
Speaker 3:No, no, no. This kid did not have a psychotic break.
Speaker 2:But if my son did this, it would have to be a psychotic break and it would have to be.
Speaker 3:That's a different scenario.
Speaker 2:Okay, so let's just okay. So wait, would I? All right, man, all right. So I now I'm thinking very particularly about this situation. But so if my son yeah, I would probably. I would probably talk my son into turning himself in and I want him to go to confession and have remorse and and pay the pay, the price, for the crime he committed. So it was just some. You know, if he, like got heated in a fight with a girlfriend and it went too far and he took her life, or something like, yeah, I would I for something like yeah, I would, I would, uh, oh, that's why you're mad, oh man
Speaker 2:oh, that is not backpedaling. I was thinking, in this particular situation, like this guy would have been better off taking his son behind the woodshed and taking care of it himself than turning him over to the to the feds, you're not wrong about that, yeah like, honestly, this guy would have been better off if his son actually did do this. Just take him out of the woodshed take him to church, go to confession, go to confession and then and then do the thing.
Speaker 3:That's inadmissible did you see a modern boethius today, by the way?
Speaker 2:no, what'd he say?
Speaker 3:all all day, all about uh, no, not, not that they've caught him, they can't kill him, because that would be immoral.
Speaker 2:Dude. But these guys, I'm telling you now, they just have to find some way to because it would be unjust to not put that like for what he did to scar the nation, yes, like there's nothing more deserved to america, to the daughter, the, the son and daughter, uh, to the nation as a whole, to everyone who saw that video.
Speaker 3:That would be injustice yeah, I think so.
Speaker 2:yeah, boating, I take my son out to take a mission. Come on, fredo, let's go. Yeah, all right. So maybe I have to, you know, maybe I have to put an asterisk next to that. Tweet a bit, somebody said both of. Avoiding Babylon. Guys putting out the most dog-esque takes today. Shame on both of you who uh? A layman, pious, pray for us. I don't know, on the twitter account everybody's on twitter this one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, terrible position so you would lie, motivate your son to lie, risk the police. What was my bite? What was my bad take?
Speaker 2:I don't know. You're always not bad takes. All your takes are bad. You think this guy is a real criminal? You think this guy's a real perp? Come on, that's a terrible thing. All of a sudden, you're trusting of the federal government. What is going on with you?
Speaker 3:no, I'm not. The federal government couldn't even catch the guy. His dad did. That is true. Cross Fattel can only just sit there and say I'm going to meet you in Valhalla.
Speaker 2:How awful was Kef today. My brother, I'll see you in Valhalla, Dude, we got to stop having these guys in positions Like what is going on. He's running the FBI, this guy.
Speaker 3:I wouldn't trust him with the 7-Eleven.
Speaker 2:But you trust your son to him. What if your son did something? You're gonna hand him over to cash patel? No, that's all I was saying. My son did something like this.
Speaker 2:I'm not handing him over to cash patel, but you just said you actually would no, I said if it was a local police matter and my son did something locally, I would want my son to confess and have remorse and own up. If it was a local police matter and my son did something locally, I would want my son to confess and have remorse and own up to it. But a situation specifically like this, I don't think I'm handing my son over to cash patel because who knows what those guys are going to do to him over there and convince him that he did something he probably didn't. I don't believe any of it. This is another mk ultra thing or something. I don't know. I don't believe any of it. This is another MKUltra thing or something. I don't know.
Speaker 3:I don't know it's like what I was saying with After the enunciation thing. You know it used to be MKUltra. You know they would. You'd do acid and they'd hook you on. You know porn. Basically, you know and fry your brain that way. Nowadays they don't have to do that. Every kid is uh already addicted pornography and their brain is soaked in serotonin from ssri is like um okay okay, do you see?
Speaker 2:I put the in the in the show notes, I put retraction. It was not israel that killed charlie kirk. It's a tweet in there. You see it, it's right above the sarah stock. Yeah, yeah, play that video. Let's play that video and tell me what you think, because I don't. Here's the thing I wasn't why?
Speaker 3:why do you believe every schizo video? You see, I don't. This is my point.
Speaker 2:I wasn't I wasn't able to actually like find out what happened today because I was like busy at work and then I came home and I was messing around all day on Twitter and stuff like that, so I didn't actually get to hear like what the FBI presented. I didn't hear the news conference or anything.
Speaker 2:They didn't present much. That's what I mean, so, but let's, let's play this kid's video and you tell me if he's like I mean like I mean he's he's saying no, no, the government told us the truth and I don't know it. Just everything just seems so weird to me I.
Speaker 3:I mean, there's definitely weird things, like the, the weird boomer shouting things, but then again there's a lot of weird boomers in the world. You know, like if you look at history, like like you mentioned the art, the assassination of franz ferdinand, you actually read like what happened, like the events of that day, you'd be like no way, that's the truth, ain't.
Speaker 2:No way if if that happened today, right, yeah, because like, wasn't it like the guy was supposed to get him and he missed him? And he was coming around another corner and another guy got? Him and he just like ended up like he just happened to be right in front of the guy they were gonna throw a grenade and the.
Speaker 3:The grenade exploded but really didn't do much. So they they escaped and went to differ on and he went to a cafe to, to, to sit there and and it just happened to be.
Speaker 2:The guy was right in front of him and stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so he's sitting in the cafe having, you know, drinks be like, oh, I screwed up. And then, next thing, you know, the different route they decided to take brings france, fernand, right inside of, the right outside of the cafe and he just is able to stand up and shoot him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right. Play the kid's video. Let's see what you think. You can break it down for me, because I didn't see all this stuff and I need to. I need to know, I need to know. This kid's saying look guys, all of you like he's just convincing me that things could have been Israel. I'm wrong, that's all. So let's see.
Speaker 4:I want to take a second to issue a retraction in regards to the alleged killer of Charlie Kirk. We're being told that it was not an Israeli conspiracy. It was, according to the FBI, the act of a lone gunman named Tyler Robinson a deranged lone gunman who just happened to have not one but two patsies in the crowd. We're also now being told that it was his father, matt Robinson, now hailed as the father of justice, who turned his son into the authorities.
Speaker 4:In a press conference shortly thereafter, fbi Director Kash Patel proudly announced that the suspect was apprehended in record time quote in less than 36 hours, 33 to be precise, according to CNN. A family member told investigators that Robinson had quote become more political in recent years and that the authorities had also discovered anti-fascist messages engraved on the ammunition. Prime Minister Netanyahu went on Fox News, though, to claim that Charlie Kirk was assassinated by a combination of quote radical Islamists and ultra progressives. Now, in terms of the murder weapon, the FBI stated that they found the shooter's rifle in the woods, fully assembled, and here is Robinson, caught on CCTV footage making that getaway from the rooftop with said rifle.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in his right hand it's actually rather visible in his hand, okay, but he disassembles it and then he puts it back together before he leaves it.
Speaker 3:No, he doesn't disassemble it.
Speaker 4:Yes, people have been telling me that the barrel can be disassembled in seconds. It wasn't. It was put back together in the woods to hide it from authority.
Speaker 3:It wasn't disassembled. But yeah, that's it. We got him hide it from authority.
Speaker 4:It wasn't disassembled. That's it Now, no more questions.
Speaker 3:Because it looks like a fully assembled rifle in fabric in his hand. That's why.
Speaker 2:I don't care what you say, rob, I'm right and you're wrong. This guy told me, this guy told me, and I trust him over you and that's just yeah. Dude, I'll be honest, there's no way we'll ever know. It's the mormons. He had his rifle hidden in his magic underwear. Look, I know, like my, my theory has no basis in reality that's fabric.
Speaker 3:With the rifle inside in his hand, his backpack is on his back. You can see that there's not a bag in his hand.
Speaker 2:When Rob is convinced of something, he will never change his mind. You'll never convince Rob. He got something wrong.
Speaker 3:You see him lay a obviously rigid straight object on the roof as he climbs down. Then he grabs it then he bends over and drops it on the ground before he jumps down. Then he grabs it, then he bends over and drops it on the ground before he jumps down.
Speaker 2:You guys, you guys, you guys trusting, you guys taking Rob's story, you trusting me Because I am telling you, I know I know these people, they want to.
Speaker 3:Hold on. Hold on the roof.
Speaker 2:I bookmarked some stuff today because I knew this was coming. Wait, no, we're doing it on Locals, we're not doing it here.
Speaker 3:No, no, no. You made your case on YouTube, so screw you you do have a few fans on your side.
Speaker 2:Janice is with Rob Jenna's with me. Come on, just don't get the way.
Speaker 3:Post-sleeping 2.0.
Speaker 2:Could you imagine we had a legit fight over?
Speaker 3:all we need now is to do an interview with Kennedy in 10 minutes.
Speaker 2:I don't know. I'm not buying Rob's story. I don't think it's true. I'm saying and I'm just going by default, because I think it's always them.
Speaker 3:I think it's always them, anthony you, it's always them, anthony, you ever notice that when someone starts talking about the jews, everything is always the jews. I don't want to be like that I don't want to be like that. I'm not like, I don't want to be like that, but it's always them. I can't help it if it's always them you're not allowed to drink bourbon anymore.
Speaker 2:You get too chatty, you just that's it, I'm not, you get too chatty when you drink bourbon. I'm not okay with this. You're supposed to go along with all my crazy theories just to quiet. Rob that, just yeah I like quiet rob. I don't like this rob. That pushes back on everything I say.
Speaker 2:It's not okay I better be careful, or or I'm gonna get a text from your mom about how mean I am to you again yes, I want to know what father mozzie thinks, because if he tells me I'm right now on his side, uh, okay, we can go over to locals, all right. Yeah, we're gonna come on. We're an hour and 40. We gave you guys a very long youtube show tonight, um, but we're going to go have some real fun and we're going to actually argue about this, because there's things I can't say over here that I am going to say over there.
Speaker 2:And I know we don't want every Locals episode to be about this, but this kind of calls for it.
Speaker 3:It is every Locals episode, though it's not everyone, but it's most of them. It's like 90% yeah.
Speaker 2:Who's everyone, but like it's most of them, it's like 90 yeah, wait, who's that rumble comment? We got a rumble comment we get america divided, our focus shifts away from the middle east.
Speaker 3:If the people in this chat are the future.
Speaker 2:We're screwed all right, let's see how many of you people are locals members, because we're going to locals and let's just see we have.
Speaker 3:I mean, it says 386 now yes, 38, I mean it says, there's 300 on X, there's 386 now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's 386 on YouTube. It says there's 1,200 on my X, which is impossible, and 400 on Rob's X. So it says there's 2,000 people, see. See, we've found that on a lot of local shows recently, not lately. We haven't talked about it in a while, are?
Speaker 3:you sure?
Speaker 2:We. Lately we haven't talked about it in a while. You sure we don't leave us. Come with us, you guys are all invited. You're all invited. You guys have to stop being cheap Like it's getting ridiculous. You have to support your favorite show. Bring back locals to Spotify.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we used to give you guys the free audio Okay, so so for those of you don't know, we haven't. I haven't done a good job of mentioning this, but so there are now two ways to listen to the local show on audio. No, they're not free anymore like they used to be, so sorry about that. But if you listen to apple podcast, there is now an option to subscribe to. You have to call it something different than the usual show, so I just did what everyone else was doing instead of avoiding Babylon Plus. So for $3 I know well, I'm not even talking about what you're thinking about, anthony.
Speaker 2:Everyone else besides them was doing it wait a minute, I have to address this. You're telling me you are a locals member for Matt Fradd and not us. Like do you? You're gonna tell me you get more entertainment out of frad than us?
Speaker 1:honestly, I'm not even knocking matt I'm not even knocking matt.
Speaker 2:This is not a knock to matt, but like we are way more like matt was not matt's not highlighting your comments. You gotta be kidding, meandon, matt, and come over to us. You think Matt Brad needs your money. How much money that guy's got you kidding me.
Speaker 3:Anthony has a boat to repair.
Speaker 2:Seriously, you do not know this. Matt Brad's got like four houses. I don't know that's actually. I'm just picking that up. I have no idea what he has, but the guy's got way more money than we do, matt. Brad sends beer mugs.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, we're not rich like Matt Fradd. If you guys want to, you know what. We'll come up with a $25 tier and we'll send you a $7 mug. We'll do what Matt does. I mean, you just want to pay $25 a month for a $7 mug? We'll send it over. We can do that. We try to just be honest with you guys. You're going to choose Wagner over us. I don't blame you. Wagner's got some pretty good.
Speaker 3:Molly, we can't. It literally does not allow us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we could bring the whole channel.
Speaker 3:You know who's at fault, who owns Locals, the Jews.
Speaker 2:Dave Rubin. Dave Rubin, wait, what did somebody say about Wagner? I missed it. What did it say? Rather be a member for Wagner than a patron for AB. Wagnerite supremacy and bros' children's need. Let me tell you something. First off, wagner's doing better than we are on here. He's just saying he'd rather support Wagner than us. First off all, we love wagner, so if you're supporting wagner.
Speaker 4:Don't, we don't leave wagner what he I had.
Speaker 2:I had like an hour-long conversation with christian today um you know, conference calls exist.
Speaker 2:Thanks, buddy well, no it. I. Yeah, you're right, I should have. I should have added you. Well, sometimes I just call people because I just want to like, yeah, and I called him today and I was just checking in on him because he hasn't been doing a show. So I just like to check in on people and just see how he's doing. So he's going to come on and we're going to talk about Catholic action and what the right approach is and what we should be doing as Catholics. But, yeah, we action and what the right approach is and what we should be doing as catholics. Um, but we had yeah, we had some other call. We had some other conversations too about ways we could help each other and things like that. So there's going to be some collaboration with him coming up soon too. So, um, all right, we're gonna go over to locals. I like to check in on my friend. All my friends, I, I I do check in with everyone, except for matt frags. He doesn't take my calls anymore.
Speaker 3:Um, yeah, what the heck is this?
Speaker 2:he doesn't even drink the clients and frat doesn't even drink with his audience like rap now matt, matt would take my call if I call I'm just teasing, um, I I've, yeah, we'll do this on locals. Let's go to locals. I got, I got, I got, I got some gossip over there.
Speaker 3:We can okay, I'm to remove the streams here I'm not Remove the streams.
Speaker 2:We're going to gossip on locals. Let's go. People always love coming in for gossip.
Speaker 3:After a few drinks, my ability to work technology becomes only slightly better than Anthony.
Speaker 2:The thing is, I'm afraid to tell my story over there because I'm afraid Margo is going to rat me out.
Speaker 3:What story.
Speaker 2:I'm just seeing some things. I'm seeing some things.
Speaker 3:And I don't want this Daily Wire.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no. I don't want this to become a thing, because I really like these guys.
Speaker 3:But You're talking about between Christian and Margo.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, no, no, no. When we reviewed mass of the ages, episode three. Oh yeah, you're right them bastards we reviewed mass of the ages, episode three. Uh, let me bring a local shout out two, we did two and jumped in the chat for episode three.
Speaker 3:Not on camera like Jake, but in the chat.
Speaker 2:Correct, he was in the chat though, right. So what happened was Cameron was in the chat and so we started off the review and I was being a little critical. And then I saw Cameron in there and I was being like a little critical and then I saw Cameron in there and I like backed off because I was like I'm not going to be mean to the guy, this is like his pride and joy, it's like his baby, like the guy you know it was his baby he's putting out his bad. I didn't want to trash it but like I had some criticisms of episode three, it was there was some really good parts to it and there was.
Speaker 2:There was like some low parts to it and I was like it wasn't nearly as good as episode one and episode two. It was my least favorite of the three. And then cameron pops in the chat and I was like it's glorious, it's amazing, I loved it, you know, and everybody was ragging on me and they're like anthony, you're just saying this because cameron's in the chat and it's. I cannot be mean to someone to their face unless they're being adversarial.
Speaker 3:Are you retracting nice things you said three years ago?
Speaker 2:I'm just telling no, that's funny For a little bit.
Speaker 3:You're apologizing for saying nice things.
Speaker 2:I'm actually taking back my apologies when I'm doing because I have a hard time being adversarial to somebody who's like I'm retracting my retraction.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like he was everything I said I wasn't going to be mean to him.
Speaker 2:So I made the suggestion. I said, uh, I go, cameron, here's an idea like why don't we get a few of us together and we'll do like a trad round table and we'll like, we'll sit down and have a conversation. And he was like, dude, that's a really good idea, let's set that up. And then a week later there was a trad round table. We weren't invited and it was like they all put this group together and they were like, hey, we're gonna do a trad round table one day. We'll do it on this channel. One day we'll do it on this channel. One day we'll do it.
Speaker 3:By the way, the pint subscriber is in our local chat right now, yeah, that's what I want to see.
Speaker 2:Screw that matt frag guy. I'll talk about matt too. Don't worry, you'll get your gossip's worth. So, cameron, cameron and those guys. So there was a lot of people in that mess of the ages chat. It was, like you know, matt gaspers and I'm not letting Matt Gaspers off either. He's supposed to be my friend. He's never invited me.
Speaker 3:Who ran the last one? Hmm, matt.
Speaker 2:Gaspers, and he didn't ask us to come on Right.
Speaker 3:Like all these guys, they do some of our friends and two people and no one's ever heard of which was my idea, and then they never invite us, right we can invite another meeting when they need us, but not the tram round table so I have my theories about all this, though right.
Speaker 2:So now yesterday I watched cameron o'hearn has a video that he puts out. Big announcement, big announcement. I watched the video and he announces they're going to be reviewing old films that aren't necessarily catholic but there's a catholic take to them, and they're going to be reviewing old films that aren't necessarily Catholic but there's a Catholic take to them, and they're going to be flying in guests.
Speaker 3:Wait a minute Sounds an awful lot. Why does it sound?
Speaker 2:familiar. Sounds a lot like Faith in Film.
Speaker 3:Oh wait you mean, we did exactly that with Father David, exactly that show with Father David right, did exactly that with father david.
Speaker 2:Exactly that show with father david right. So they're about to start a faith in film under a different name, where they fly a guest in and they film several episodes of the show and it's going to be a weekly thing that comes out. So I watched this announcement and I'm like they have to be kidding me and I start making phone calls. I want to find out who the hell's been invited on this show and that has been invited on.
Speaker 3:But you know who hasn't been invited on I know who hasn't been invited on.
Speaker 2:I know I haven't been invited on, but also mel gibson, that is true, that is true. So the trad roundtable idea stolen from us and faith in film stolen from us, and no invite on either. Now, I like cameron.
Speaker 3:I mean, I like him I understand it because you know what they haven't done anything for three years and what they did last. The last thing they did was mediocre at best you don't have to be mean, rob.
Speaker 2:I don't want to burn the bridge. I want him to invite us on his faith in film, show that he stole and put a different name on that's what I want, man.
Speaker 3:This is what you've taught me be the heel, be the heel. They're not gonna invite us anyways you.
Speaker 2:You're not allowed to drink bourbon anymore, man. This is not happening anymore. So here's what I'm like. I think I figured it out because this isn't just them, it's a lot of people. Yeah, these like we have people that like our show, they watch our show, text us, but then they, but then they don't want to. Like I and I have like relationships with these people where we talk on the phone and stuff, but they won't invite us on their show. And I think it's because we have we have like a scarlet letter on us, like we're like the lepers of of catholic content and I think they're under the impression if they bring me on one of their things, they're not going to get the sit down at the Napa Institute or with Scott Hahn, or like they're going to get dirty, they're going to have leprosy if they have us on their thing and they're not going to be invited to the cool kids club if they associate with us publicly. So I'm pretty sure we're blacklisted. Like I'm pretty sure we're blacklisted. So be, it man.
Speaker 2:Trad ink is jewish. There is no trad ink. That's what I'm trying to tell you guys. This is there was an attempt there was I can't, you're not, I cannot do this with you. You are loving this and you know it. I cannot I cannot do this with you. You're out of your freaking mind tonight, dude.
Speaker 3:This is not okay it's not even really the bourbon, it's just been. It's been a long week and I'm hanging with my best friend and you're, you're you're out of your mind.
Speaker 2:You are back. You are bad cops, dude, oh yeah someone's like, so be it.
Speaker 3:Rob's a mason.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you it's born well, now, trattick didn't pull apart in detroit, rob's just making jokes would just be funny. Um so, um, what's it called? Okay, so, like, I think it's the same thing with Fred. Like Fred, like I know he likes us, like he does, like I know he does. But I think if, like if he had us on his show, he would catch good, because we've said so many things about Lila.
Speaker 3:Okay, but it goes back to what we started the whole show tonight with People separate their Catholic lives from their normal lives. Brad likes us in his normal lives. He would have fun with us hanging out. He would be okay with that, as long as no one in his catholic life knew yeah, man, it's like dude.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I don't know. This whole industry sucks. Yeah, it really does. It sucks and it's like especially for me, because I go out of my way to extend the hand of friendship to people and when they don't return it, I'm just like dude. Who do you think you are Like seriously? Who do you think you are seriously like? Who do you think you are? First of like, I'm not. I'm not trying to like insult cameron. Cameron, you have 200 000 subscribers. You get like 800 views on your videos. Dude, like you need me, you literally need me. Like people like our show. How are you going to function if you don't like let down your guard enough to go all right?
Speaker 3:I guess I know how he's gonna function.
Speaker 2:It's called kickstarter kickstarter or donors and stuff, but still, like I I don't, I don't get these guys, man, it's like nobody's watching this stuff anymore. Nobody's nobody's watching a lot of like the. The trad content arena is dying. It really is. It's like it's on its last breath, man, and people need to learn how to adapt and figure out how they're going to go about this, like under the Leo papacy and stuff.
Speaker 2:So we I, I don't know, I just kind of sensed it right away and I just said let's just change's, just change, change, um, just change it up and like, well, all right, so we'll do, we'll do whatever's happening in the culture. And then you know, like I'll throw different wall, different ideas at the wall and see what sticks and if something doesn't work, we'll, we'll change it up again. We'll figure something out like we're going to adapt and we're going to figure out a way to stay hanging out with our audience because they like us, right, where, um, some, some people, it's like they they don't know what they want to be. I was talking to somebody today privately, a way smaller show than us and they're they're trying to be like friends with everybody, so and and that doesn't. To be like friends with everybody. So and that doesn't I'm getting, I'm gonna, I'm gonna actually say this. So, and I hope chris doesn't take offense to this- no, I don't think he would.
Speaker 2:I hope he doesn't think I'm not meaning it to offend him, right? So, um, chris had like he, he'll, he'll, he'll, he'll want me on the show. And then he'll have Amber Rose on the show, and I'm like, chris, I'm like this doesn't work, man, like you can't be trying to get like Mike, mike Pantile on and you want to get the masculinity audience. And then you have Hallelujah on, like you're, you're. There's such polar opposite audiences that, like anybody you gain through hallelujah when you have mike pantile on, they will hate you now. And anybody you'll gain through mike pantile, they're like why is this guy interviewing chicks? Like I don't want to see that kind of stuff, you know. So what happens is you get this like squishy, this squishy vibe where you don't want to really take a position, you just want to be friends with everybody. No, we tried doing this in the beginning too, though. Right, so I'm not like I hope Chris doesn't think I'm like ragging on him. We tried to do that too In the beginning.
Speaker 3:We're not saying you should say you yeah, because. Because we're we're complaining about, in a sense, being blacklisted.
Speaker 2:yeah, we're not saying you should blacklist people um, or or take the position we do, where the content you put out gets you blacklisted, like the things we do, like, honestly, the way we started the show tonight, like me, me, the reason we're blacklisted is honestly because of how we opened the show tonight and me, like losing it on Brie Solstad, it's honestly why, like, I got annoyed and I just couldn't contain it and I was just like, and that's what they actually don't like.
Speaker 3:Right. What we're saying is you have to figure out what you want to be and you have to cultivate in that audience. Correct, and you have to cultivate in that audience to what? Whatever you decide, you're going, you are and are going to be, or whatever your show is going to be, you have whatever that audience is. You have to cultivate that. Now our show is like whether it's trivia, the, the faith and film stuff, just talking about culture, like, yeah, we bounce around, but we decided what our show was going to be is a community for misfits. Yeah, yeah, you know, because we we don't have that community. I've been like when I told ann like I need, like just like talk therapy tonight. It's because I don't you know other than my wife and my kids. I don't have anyone to talk about this stuff with, especially like men around right, like I don't yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2:I don't have anyone to talk about this stuff with, especially men around right. I don't have a bunch of guys. I don't have a lot of guy friends in my real life because I have so many siblings. I just don't have that many guy friends.
Speaker 3:There's no one at the local parishes that would have any idea what the hell we talk about. No clue. And my trad parish is four hours round trip away, so like that's not going to work out. So we built this to have a community and to give people a community. I'm not I don't want to pull a Gordon and say parish orphans and retrogrades, but like that that's kind of what we decided to be.
Speaker 2:Yeah so, so, like for Chris Chris, that's kind of what we decided to be. Yeah, so for Chris Chris, you're trying to be all things to all people and you're being no one to anyone.
Speaker 4:Exactly.
Speaker 2:That's what's actually going to happen, because nobody even knows who you are, nobody knows what your opinions are, because you're just trying to be the nice guy. Now I tried doing this early on too and I thought I could be some kind of bridge to like bring the desperate, like the disparate, disparate factions, disparate factions together. Because I saw like trads were going a little haywire and they were, you know, like. So I was like all right, maybe I can try and bridge some conversations here. So people aren't going so nuts that they think they can't listen to Scott Hahn anymore and stuff like that, and so nuts that they think they can't listen to scott hahn anymore and stuff like that. And I quickly realized, like the scott hahn's aren't going to come on with us. And I quickly realized the matt frads aren't going to come on with us. So I had to make a decision like are you okay being this show? And if that's the case, then you may as well just be yourself. And yeah, like, just be you. And what are you gonna do? You're gonna you. Your people will either like you or they won't. People just happen to like that fiery, like the.
Speaker 2:The thing I did early on in the show burned a bridge but our audience loved it. So it kind of like built up our audience, but it also made me like a pariah and people aren't going to want to associate with me because I freaking chose violence tonight. It was stupid, but I chose violence. Um, yeah, I don't. It's a it's a hard thing to to do this stuff. Um, what is margo and margo? You better not rat us out to cameron. I was just venting to you guys.
Speaker 3:This is a private audience so, yeah, margo is actually going to be flying in for the baptism oh, awesome is awesome. Is it a Christian? Come with her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to be Christian, oh.
Speaker 3:I'm excited about that. You've met Margo. I've never even got to meet Margo.
Speaker 2:I have met Margo, that's correct. Yes, so, um and Margo, I hope you guys don't like you guys don't mail stuff out, but I will give them a wedding gift when I see them. Um, so they're flying in for the baptism. Oh, that's awesome, so we'll probably grab dinner. I'm excited to meet christian. I don't even want margo there, um, christian, leave her home. I'm kidding.
Speaker 3:I know, I know, margo, you can watch my kids, let's see Good practice.
Speaker 2:What's Anthony talking about? When he said chose violence, did he hit anyone? Literally? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. If you guys didn't see the video.
Speaker 3:The last person he hit was his wife's cousin.
Speaker 2:That is true. No, he hit me though. Yeah, if you guys missed the first like seven the show, it was, uh, it was one to remember, that's for sure. Um, yeah, so all right, yeah, I am, I'm not trying to go down the jew road, but, like I, I do see, uh, I do see this whole situation as like it could be. That's all like it could be. I'm not saying it couldn't be.
Speaker 3:I just don't. It could be. Of course it could be.
Speaker 3:I'm not saying it couldn't be, I just don't trust anything I see anymore, I just if I had to put money on it, like yes, the guy yelling in the crowd, really weird, right, like I know, I can't explain that. Um, the other guy yelling in the crowd, you know that looked like he was first like celebrating and now he's saying oh, he was just, he was using it so they could, his security team could get charlie away, like no, you're just lying because you don't want to be.
Speaker 2:Uh, you know, um, that was like a tearing right yeah, you don't want to be a lingerie because you actually were tearing that he got shot.
Speaker 3:Um, I mean, yeah, there's weird stuff there really is but always weird stuff, though.
Speaker 2:That's the thing. Like do you do you think it was better off when we were like would you take the blue pill? I just go back to being like like back to like believing the 9-11 story and like, do you think that was better back then? Because I don't know if I like questioning everything. It's hard, it sucks, questioning everything and not believing a single thing they tell you and just I don't know. Sometimes I look at some of the mega people and they're like trump, trump. And I'm like I envy you a bit. Like you still love trump, you still think he's a great president with our best interest at mind you know, you think, you still think america is like this exceptional nation on a hill.
Speaker 2:You know, like it was a lot simpler, right and um yeah, back to news from abc, cbs, nbc and stuff like could you like you watch cnn? And you're just going along with whatever the hell they tell you could do like do you think that life like in in in ignorance is bliss land? Do you think it is?
Speaker 3:so today's the 12th, 9, 12, you know. So yesterday, yesterday was the 24th anniversary of 9, 11 this is a good topic.
Speaker 2:We could talk about this the days after 9 11.
Speaker 3:Obviously, 9 11 was a horrible event. Right, a lot of people died, no matter who did it. Right, a lot of people died, it was a horrible event. Those days, in some weird way, are like one of my fonder memories, that time following, just because it was so easy to love your country and to love your neighbor and to to think, even though something terrible had happened, that america really was this special place that was going to get through this and kick the ass out of you know the, the goat herders in afghanistan, yeah, and all of that it was in. I mean we all fell for, but I, I mean I really fell for it, like so did, I, do I my, my life was a flag salesman from that.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 3:I didn't mean to cut you off my life from that moment to to my senior year of high school was all about getting into the military to serve my country and and um, and that didn't work out because of my asthma, uh and whatnot, um, and I'm glad, obviously. I'm glad now that it didn't, but it was just really simple. Life was really simple, and I'm not saying it was better because obviously the truth is better Even when it's harder and more painful. It is better because Christ is the truth. The truth, yeah. But I'd be lying if I said, like part of me doesn't miss that period or part of me doesn't wish that. Maybe that could have lasted, I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dude, I bought the 9-11 stuff Like I would have been. Like they found Muhammad Atta's passport in the street. Of course it was him. Like do you think about how absurd that news story was? Course it was him. Like do you think about how absurd that news story was? Like they found muhammad atas passport on the sidewalk of new york city. As the building disintegrated, his passport survived.
Speaker 3:Like how many months did it take them to get rid of that rubble? And yet they found a piece of a single, like a single booklet of paper just laying on the street.
Speaker 4:I'm not saying it's impossible.
Speaker 3:It's absurd, it is very close.
Speaker 2:No, they reported on that. Like the day of.
Speaker 3:The day it happened.
Speaker 2:It was like oh, we found a passport, a block away, muhammad Atta's passport. I'm telling you, dude, the things that were coming out from 9-11 were so absurd, but I bought them hook. Dude, the things that were coming out from 9-11 were so absurd, but I bought them hook, line and sinker. I was cheering as George W Bush bombed the Iraqis in 2003.
Speaker 3:Cheering- so I was 7th grade, 9th grade, so I would have been 14, 15 during 2003. Yeah, I stayed up Because you know, we knew a few days beforehand that it was likely coming soon. I stayed up because you know, we knew a few days beforehand that that it was likely coming soon. I stayed up all night like waiting for it and like the, the, the first images of shock and awe and we've talked about this on the show, um, when, whenever.
Speaker 3:those images were just recently published again, but like they're seared in my, they're seared in my memory you know, I can see a single frame that they showed from it on tv and instantly know what what it is yeah, yeah, dude, the 9-11 was because I mean, we did this last year on 9-11.
Speaker 2:We didn't really get to talk about it yesterday, but it was, especially as a new yorker. It was just the what we experienced as a country during that time, whether it was BS the story behind it or not. I mean, as a New Yorker, you just you watch these buildings come down. I had several friends that were firefighters. I had one from my one of my friends lost two of his brothers on 9-11 in in the buildings. They were firefighters. It was just everyone like if you lived on long island or in new york, every single person knew someone who died in those towers. We were at funerals for months because they would find remains or they would, you know. It was just such a traumatic thing to experience as a New Yorker and but there was this feeling of loving your country and loving your neighbor that happened afterward. That it's something I very much miss and what's interesting is I hadn't felt that feeling of trauma from 9-11 until the Charlie.
Speaker 4:Kirk video.
Speaker 2:That's the closest thing I can relate to the feeling. Dude, do you remember just sitting in front of the TV for hours and hours and hours and days? I was in seventh grade. Hours and hours and days. I was in seventh grade. There was days where you could not stop watching the news because you didn't know. Then there was the anthrax scare.
Speaker 3:Everybody was getting anthrax. That was just a month or two after Everybody's getting mailed anthrax.
Speaker 2:Then you had the DC sniper. Then you had the New York blackout. The East Coast blackout happened. It was just so many dude, it was one of the most exciting. I hate to say the word exciting, but it was just so much excitement happening in the world. It was one thing after another. There was just this constant barrage of these news stories and they were all bs I think so kind of two things.
Speaker 3:First thing with um, with 9-11. The thing that I mean, kind of so remembering that period after, like what hurts about it now is like is that it was false. You know what I mean yeah, like and I'm not. I'm not even saying like no, the deaths were real.
Speaker 3:All that stuff was real, or even the or even I'm not, I'm not even saying as far as who did it like, even if you take the story at a hundred percent face value, that unity was a false unity. It was um, that the, you know we, even if, uh, the government had no part in nine 11 itself, that love for the American system and government in history was still misplaced in general, not not, not love for the american people or the american nation or land or cultures or anything like that, but the love for the american system and its actions in the past, like that was false. That unity with um people who have since become our enemies, obviously was false and it hurts because, man, it would be nice if it was real, if we could have that feeling and get in and have it actually be well placed yeah, you think about the 20 years of war we endured afterward.
Speaker 2:You think about barack obama getting in elected. Like I remember after 9 11, like we all hated the muslims. Like it was just. You just hated the month. They were our enemy and then they still are, but but they then to man, it was just. It was just. It was just all it was. It was nostalgia more than real. Like it was just this. You were in love with the idea yeah and you had to.
Speaker 2:But there was, there is something about when you go through something traumatic with people, that you, you do see the good in everyone. For a period after you know, it was like. It was like, um, you saw the best in humanity and the worst in humanity at the same time you saw. You saw what, yeah, what humans are capable on the, on a level of evil. But then you just saw this outpouring of everybody was willing to sacrifice everything to help, and I mean especially, being from New York, it was like everybody just wanted to go down there and do whatever they could to help and it lasted for a very long time Like not a very long, it was, it was more than a year.
Speaker 2:It was like two years of just this traumatic experience where everybody that you would see, you were just kind to you, overlook your political divisions for a while and then I forget, like what it must have been the iraq war. The iraq war is when you started seeing people going, no, this isn't what, this isn't right, and we were on the wrong side of that one. We were. We just wanted to see blood, we just wanted to see brown people pay for what they did to us. But all of it was just manipulation. All of it, like the whole thing, was just manipulation and that's why I that's. But that leads into where we are today, where once once covet happened, my my faith in every narrative we've ever been fed. It just comes off as bs to me. And that comes.
Speaker 3:That goes to everything, since someone just made the realization they were born nine months after 9-11 and they're like I was conceived on. The idea of love is what was going on like you.
Speaker 2:There was this it was probably a baby boom after 9-11, I would think a small one there was after uh covet yeah, that's true, during covid probably, but so so, like covid, broke my faith in the system to ever give us a real narrative, and I think ever since radio and television were invented, they just saw this opportunity to brainwash people and just feed them a story on a mass scale.
Speaker 2:You know who invented radio, right Marconi, yeah, an Italian, yeah. So once you get this ability to feed narratives to people on a mass scale like that, everything has been fake ever since. And like I don't trust the Trump assassination attempt, I don't think that was real. I know assassination attempt.
Speaker 3:I don't think that was real. I know I dude, it was just too too storybook, perfect dude him getting clipped in the ear like that. Bro, you do not under, you don't understand, like the ballistic science behind.
Speaker 2:No, and you just think you know everything about ballistic science. I'll tell you, but I don't. I'm telling you but the theater of it, I don't care about the ballistic science of it. No, and you just think you know everything about ballistic science. I'm telling you about the theater of it. I don't care about the ballistic science of it, I care about the theater of the thing. The theater of the thing where Trump gets clipped in the ear and he gets down and he stands up, Fight, fight, fight.
Speaker 3:It's just so theatrical. Apart from everything else, who was maybe behind it? Who was the shooter? Anything else that Miss could have been nothing but a real.
Speaker 2:You think the Jews are our humble, noble leaders. You think they have our best interest at heart. I cannot believe this.
Speaker 3:Putting words in my mouth does not do justice to what you just did to me.
Speaker 2:No, listen to me. I know it sounds bonkers, I really do. I know it sounds bonkers what I'm saying here, I don't. I know he like he probably got shot in the ear, like it's like okay me, maybe they say they they whoever?
Speaker 3:they you want to be. Is did it, and maybe they did like intend to miss, but they did so with being completely okay with the fact that it very well could just kill him too.
Speaker 2:I don't, I think they the guy behind him the whole time and trump had like a blood thing and he just clipped it by his ear and made it look like blood came out of his ear. I don't think he was ever going to be a target. I think that the whole idea of Trump winning in 2016, then losing, having the election stolen from him in 2020, and the theatrics of him coming back like that, and the theatrics of that whole assassin Dude you know why I think it and I'm not saying there's any proof behind it it's because I was so emotionally manipulated by it and, dude, we just dropped the story of the assassination of trump the second. It was like the second he got elected. Nobody ever heard another story about. Like, where is the fbi report about what actually happened that day? We just dropped it.
Speaker 3:We don't care. Same place wherever the one is for the uh just dropped it.
Speaker 2:We don't care, same place wherever the one is for the uh mandalay bay shooting and I know somebody died. That's what I'm trying to tell you. I do think somebody died. I think they aimed for the guy behind him. I think somebody did die. I don't think that was fake at all. I think the trump having the, the ear getting hit is fake. I think that. I don't know man, I mean it would be. It would be as interesting to see here.
Speaker 3:I'm just it would be interesting to see, like an independent analysis of the ballistic trajectory of that bullet you know, because obviously they know where it hit behind and they know where they say the shooter was. Does that trajectory match intersecting with the ear? Yeah, if it is, or with, or is within, like was the guy directly behind him and the thing went there.
Speaker 2:Look, I don't, I know what I'm saying sounds absurd. I'm not saying I know for a fact. I'm just saying the theatrics of the whole thing seems so kayfabe to me, like the whole thing just seemed like wrestlemania to me, and then having hulk hogan come out at the republican convent, like it was so oh, so now the jews killed hulk hogan to prevent him from telling us the real story no, that guy was just on so many steroids he probably freaking his arteries oh, so you're willing to accept that story?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because there's nothing to that story but the theater of Trump getting reelected and the man we got our guy and then, within 30 days of Trump getting in, he just starts doing everything Israel wants him to do. I think that it's just, it's just off, and I think there's a very good look I don't know this, I'm not like some down some deep, crazy rabbit hole. What I'm telling you is if Charlie Kirk starts turning on Israel and he starts going wait, I don't know about the Zionist thing, they're trying to pump money into, manipulate me and he sees Donald Trump doing everything Israel wants him to do, and he starts seeing with his own eyes like dude, this whole thing is really messed up. He's got the attention of millions of people. And if he starts going down that rabbit hole and becoming a nick fuentes adjacent person because he sees that's where the culture is going and nick fuentes is on there, like you never know, but if they.
Speaker 2:How many ifs did you have to include in that statement for it to make stop it I'm just telling you, if, if charlie kirk is no longer a zionist, he has millions of people that trust him. That's what the whole point of these dude think about the pocket is that reward worth the risk? They got their guy.
Speaker 3:They're gonna blame it are some big giant world conspiracy I'm not saying that are jews that are in charge of everything I'm not saying, and if they're really good bankers. Don't you think they did the math about the risk versus reward scenario there? What do you? What's? What's the risk? The risk is being found out in losing america, literally they're never found out.
Speaker 2:And yet you think you found them out. No, I, I don't think you'll ever be able to prove it. I think that everything is k fit, dude. Did you ever? Do you remember when the beeper scandal happened, the? The guy came out, he goes. We created an entire fake world. They all think they're buying beepers from their god. We create this network where they think they're finding a way to avert the attention of the Mossad and meanwhile the Mossad's feeding them all of their technology and stuff.
Speaker 3:The phone app that they purposefully made the phone app to infiltrate the phone app to make them want to get off of phones, to get the pagers that they would have ready with explosives. Yeah, yeah, that's what the Mossad does.
Speaker 2:Okay, and I'm telling you, charlie Kirk serves a better purpose as a martyr than he does as a guy who turns on them.
Speaker 3:Would Israel rely on a Okay?
Speaker 2:Well, think about JFK. Would Israel risk killing the president of the United States at the risk of getting caught?
Speaker 3:I don't think Israel did it. I think Lyndon B Johnson did that With the CIA, with the.
Speaker 2:CIA With the CIA, with the CIA, with the CIA, with the CIA With the CIA.
Speaker 3:Who is the CIA?
Speaker 2:though the CIA is completely Jewish money dude. The CIA is not like yeah, you have the CIA in the american government, but the cia is really independent outfits, of course, doing stuff on behalf of like whatever, and they actually are cia existed before israel yeah, that's not. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the, the cia has its own reports yeah, and its own interest, independent from the american government.
Speaker 3:The government doesn't really have that much control over them yes, I know, but I would say also, israel doesn't necessarily have that much control over them. Yes, I know, but I would say also, israel doesn't doesn't necessarily have that much control over the cia. They have control over the other organs of american government. It's not that they have control over the cia, it's all the all, the all the different organizations the cia deals with.
Speaker 2:Are all these non-profits, all that stuff. They're just jewish people that are in coordination with the massad that are, which are like even the ones that are just getting shut down when Trump came in, and stuff like all of the like. Look, I mean we're getting into crazy conspiracy land. I know that I'm not saying I have proof of this stuff, I'm just saying it.
Speaker 3:Okay, very well, do you think that the, the, the 22 year old, they got?
Speaker 2:do you think he's the one that pulled the trigger? It's possible. Yeah for sure.
Speaker 3:Why would Israel rely on a 22-year-old?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and let them alive, right, right, yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3:I'm not saying Israel wouldn't do this. Yeah, he would, yeah he wouldn't look like this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but to leave the guy alive, for him to talk that, yeah, it wouldn't look.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but to leave the guy alive for him to talk, that's a good point. It wouldn't look like this probably is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, yeah, I mean, if you look at the, what was the name of the operation? Um, what they did to the plo after the, the munich olympics, um the. Did you ever watch the movie munich?
Speaker 3:no I think it's got eric. What's his name? Eric Bana in it. I think that's who it is, but it's a story of how the Mossad took out literally everyone in the PLO that was involved in the assassination of the Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics. That gives you a good idea of what their operations look like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Well, we don't know how sophisticated they are now. We don't know, like you don't know, how much influence they have through their programs of mind control, like with MK ultra stuff, I mean that stuff continued well on after they said it was shut down. So we don't know and but I do think that's a very good that leaving the guy alive is a very high risk.
Speaker 3:I guess what I'm saying is. Right now it seems most likely that it was this guy who pulled the trigger. Yeah, that he did that. There was no secret to his escape, he just did what he did. And, once again, people get their ideas about this stuff from movies. They get the ideas of what the FBI is actually capable of for movies, because the FBI is actually feeding those movie scripts and they want you to think yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:When really the FBI is not so much anymore but was originally just filled with like drunk Irish cops, right, I mean, on one hand we can't say the FBI is incredibly incompetent, you know, the other times say that they are incredibly competent at conspiracies. It's one or the other.
Speaker 2:People are saying the locals dropped by 30 people two and a half hours in. I mean people are probably just tired. It's freaking 1030, right, yeah, 1030. I mean, if you guys want to freaking 10, 30, right, yeah, 10, 30. I mean it's. But look I, if you guys want to talk about something else, we can. I was just spitting a theory out there and Rob actually made a very good point to make and, like I said, you could definitely be right.
Speaker 3:It just seems most likely to me this is the kid who fired the shot. He made them escape the way he said he made. His dad really did turn him in, but I also think it's incredibly likely he was radicalized online by yeah, by certain groups that are influenced by potentially lots of different people, possibly israel included yeah, dude, I my, like I said, my position is not just because I think israel does everything, it's more just.
Speaker 2:I just don't believe anything. The hell they tell me like I'm just so and I hate that, I'm so cynical and that's why I asked the question do you think we were better off just kind of just believing the narrative, because it was a piece? There's more peace about it. You know, like you kind of just like the idea of being cynical, like this about everything. I mean skeptical of every little thing. I don't like it, I don't like the fog of war of it, I don't like any of it. I I'd rather just be able to be like oh, that's what happened, did you hear about?
Speaker 3:that, um, the colorado school shooting that happened the same day, no, so no one died, but two kids were shot and the shooter? Um, it's being reported that the shooter had contact with, and was influenced by, the same couple of groups that influenced the annunciation shooter. And if and if this, this shooter here also has connections to what I was talking with Antifa groups on discord. That's really the same group of people Like, so there definitely is.
Speaker 2:So those are those groups we were talking about, right, the, the, whatever the hell their names were seven,98-764-746.
Speaker 3:Yeah, whatever, and there are others, but they're all very similar in that they're left-wing anarchists.
Speaker 2:But even at the left wing, right, I think, like intelligence agencies just see people that already have that, already have that disposition, know there are people that are easy to manipulate in those things.
Speaker 3:So o9a was was was started by someone that had connections to the british mi6. So, yeah, they are definitely influenced by.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's not like the massad put this kid up to it and said you're gonna do this. It's more like they manipulated him through these channels and just know the kids are loony and not even directly they, they create.
Speaker 3:You know, these groups might be, at this point, completely unaffiliated, but they in, in, in, everyone does it. Yeah, you know how many revolutions were started in latin america by groups started by the cia?
Speaker 2:and then the cia loses control of them.
Speaker 3:But they, they planted the seeds and it's basically usa, except by everyone, you know, by everyone.
Speaker 2:So it's um, yeah, dude, we just live in crazy times. And the amount of the availability to manipulate people through these social media platforms, through the different forms of media, it is just nuts. I mean, you see, even even just your standard run-of-the-mill democrat gets a very different news feed than you do my mom has oh, she didn't, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know what I mean, like, and that's on, that's on like this broad scale. So you're she's like did you, did this, charlie kirk? I really say all say all these hateful things, that's what I mean.
Speaker 2:I'm like what the hell are you talking about? So the news feed she's watching. They're not pointing out the atrocity of Charlie Kirk being murdered. They're pointing out all the terrible things Charlie Kirk said to deserve being killed. It's nuts. I listen to it on the freaking radio. So there's all these different tools of manipulation that we're all dealing with and I think we all kind of get this tendency to think that everybody's seeing what we're seeing. So you're like these people are crazy that they don't believe what I believe. But they're being fed an entirely different narrative than you are and they're looking at you like I can't believe you don't see what I see, like I can't believe you don't see what I see. And that's how the division in the country is just getting wider and wider, from people fed different things.
Speaker 3:I could not get her to understand that like mother that man would have just as glad, Like, if you take the difference in influence size out, that man would have killed me just as happily as Charlie Kirk, and probably more so, because if you think what Charlie Kirk believes was evil mother, oh yeah, dude, I actually deleted a tweet that tweet I put out today about Martin Luther King, because I'm like yeah, I should have deleted Maybe what I did.
Speaker 2:I deleted my tweet about Martin Luther King Cause I'm like, yeah, I shouldn't be. Maybe what I did I deleted my tweet about martin luther king because I'm like man, things are so volatile right now like you gotta be careful. What you're like you don't know what, and like we're I'm very public, you know. It's not like I'm anonymous or anything, so like for me to say something like that and rile these people up at a time like this is just stupid, and you actually made me aware of that when you were like, yeah, you never know who you're freaking pissing off. It's one thing. To troll protestants was another thing to just start putting out, like you know, martin luther king was the disgusting degenerate, you know you, you piss off the wrong person and they'll come hunt you down at your house. You gotta you do have to be careful of this stuff further.
Speaker 2:I know, I agree it was a good tweet. It's just people are so freaking volatile right now like I'm not going to put my family in danger because I want to get a few likes and comments. You know, yeah, yeah, and I live deep behind enemy, like I'm in new york, like one of these freaking lunatic left there, like so if and about to be victim of black on black crime but if we we, we tweet right and our tweets tend to stay in our bubble right and they they stay within our algorithm that we're used to and you get, you know similar groups.
Speaker 2:But if you have a tweet that's like that about martin luther king and it escapes your bubble and all of a sudden it goes into some of these leftist circles well, if?
Speaker 3:what if that was the tweet that people were posting on facebook arena? What if that was the tweet vanity fair got a hold of to do a story about trad cats?
Speaker 2:yeah you really have to be a target yeah, uh, yeah, we have to be more careful about what we do publicly, especially me. Um, anthony's about to be a victim of black on black. That's a funny line. Yeah, like, I've seen people like you tweet something about beyonce and you think you're just, you're like your regular followers gonna see, and all of a sudden, like the, the beyonce fans find it and you're like you're dealing with a torrent himself would maybe not be able to help you if it was yeah, right, like you get taylor swift fans mad at you or something, you're done.
Speaker 2:Oh, black twitter is a legit cesspool. Like anybody that's ever been on black twitter, because I'll. I'll check in on it every once in a while, just because it's funny.
Speaker 3:Like they're out of their minds I'll be honest, I won't be able to read what they put until rock.
Speaker 2:I check out black twitter for like hip-hop stuff and things like that, but not just black twitter like there's. There's we're in catholic twitter. Catholic twitter is a closed community where you know you interact with protestants but you're not generally in the wider public, except except for there's a lot of conservative crossover because a lot of conservatives are christian and stuff like that. But there are ghettos in twitter where people are talking about very specific things and if your tweet like I've had some like times my tweets go viral are if they're about something that all of a sudden you see it's reaching an international audience and then all of a sudden you got to translate every response because you don't even know who the hell saw it and it just goes ballistic like I had it's really funny when you say something about hindus, and all the hindu nationalists get a hold of that well, jason has all the spanish following him because he said something about franco right I had I had said something like a while back.
Speaker 2:My first viral tweet was like should women be held accountable for their husband's masturbation if they deny them sex or something? It was like some crazy tweet I wrote years ago and it went into feminist twitter and it blew up, dude, I was getting death threats over it. It was crazy. I had to actually lock my account and stuff. It was before. Like I understood who cares about these people. A year later, I was tweeting my address out.
Speaker 3:Jason was like the Spanish really love Franco.
Speaker 2:This is awesome. He's got a bunch of Spanish Franco fans following him. Twitter blew up. Alright man, we did two and a half hours. I think we can call this one a wrap. This is an interesting one. I'm wondering. I'm waiting. I blocked Bree on Twitter, but I'm sure she's got something to say about my rant.
Speaker 3:Should we check? Hold on, bobby sent us the definition or pronunciation of the word. You couldn't read. Read a septotic is an adjective that describes something that approaches a value, or if curve arbitrarily close but may never quite reach it yeah, but that's why I didn't know, it.
Speaker 2:I'm trying to see if she responded to me.
Speaker 3:No, she's putting these fake, ridiculous posts up, like I just uh, jim, um, jason took down his account just because, uh, he just needed a break from it after this last week. Um, he'll be back, he's fine, he just and I do too. I'm not going to delete my account, but, uh, I'm going hunting the next couple of days, so sometimes you just need to get a couple days off. Yeah, man, though, though tonight was helpful. Uh, mrs casey says in all caps do not unblock her I'm not, I'm done, yeah, no, I'm.
Speaker 2:Honestly, it's like toxic. What happens is I feel myself getting hatred in my heart because I'm just so annoyed by it. So it's like I got to just block her and just tune it out because it's not worth it. When people set you off like that, you're better off just not having access to their stuff because it's not good for your own soul. So I understand like she may have helped some people. I don't, I just don't. I just I just see what I see through people sometimes and it's just frustrating. It's like just stop pretending I don't like liars and fakers and uh, yeah, all right, guys, this was fun he's already making groper groper post about me on twitter.
Speaker 3:He said avoiding babylon is going to change his name to avoiding babylon.
Speaker 2:1488 groper soon wait, let's see the comments already starting, and the intro is very interesting and uncharitable. Hey guys, I paid one, four dollars for locals and I'm not seeing anything. I love Charlie Kirkman's family. I'm glad Anthony brought up the rabid Zionist image Charlie Kirk had and actually conveyed early in his career. I mean, all right, all right. Yeah, people, you're always going to get the pearl clutchers who are not happy when you criticize anybody.
Speaker 3:I don't know, it was just one of those shows once again, they're uh putting on a catholic mask over their real personality yeah, I am who I am, guys, either like me, you don't.
Speaker 2:I don't have to tell you. All right, let's take it out, rob. Thank you.
