Avoiding Babylon
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Avoiding Babylon
Charlie Kirk, 10/14/1993 - 9/10/2025 (Full LOCALS Version)
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Access to the FULL show on audio!The assassination of Charlie Kirk has sent shockwaves through America, leaving us grappling with questions that cut to the heart of our society. What does it mean when a man known for civil discourse and reasoned debate becomes the target of political violence?
This episode takes us through the raw, emotional aftermath of Kirk's shooting. We examine not just the horrific event itself—the shot from 200 yards that struck his carotid artery—but the deeper implications for our fractured culture.
Kirk's story resonates particularly with younger conservatives who saw him as a voice of reason in chaotic times. What many don't know is that he was reportedly in the process of joining the Catholic Church, attending Mass with his wife, and even participating in Adoration—a journey cut tragically short.
The contrast between reactions is stark and telling. While normal Americans mourn a father taken from his children, elements of the progressive left celebrate or justify the killing—revealing a fundamental breakdown in our shared humanity. Representative Ilhan Omar's shocking comments demonstrate how political opponents are increasingly dehumanized, making violence seem justified rather than abhorrent.
Through listener call-ins, we hear from people across generations processing their grief, anger, and fear. A 19-year-old describes being unable to get the image out of his mind. A recent Catholic convert finds solace in community but worries about the future. Each story underscores that this isn't simply about politics—it's about good versus evil, Christ versus chaos.
Join us as we search for meaning amid tragedy and contemplate where America goes from here. Can dialogue still work? Is there hope for reconciliation? Or are we witnessing the end of an era and the beginning of something much darker?
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Speaker 2:My God, christianity is not the cowardly, whimpish Christianity that you want to make it. My Christianity is the Christianity that defeated Islamic Jihad three times. My Christianity is the Christianity that conquered the Roman Empire, christianity that conquered the Roman Empire. My Christianity is the kind of Christianity that defeated the pagan Vikings and the northern pagan tribes. My Christianity is the kind of Christianity that defeated the Ottoman Empire, that defeated the Arab invasion of the 7th century, that defeated the Arab invasion in Andalusia. How racist is Christianity? Do you see? You're a saint. You're a saint. He sees it. He sees it. Oh no, this is where you're wrong, because the Ethiopian Christians, who follow my kind of Christianity, defeated the Muslim invasion from Somalia and Egypt. My Christianity is the one followed by the Armenians and the Georgians, who defeated the Persians, the Rastrians and the Muslims. My Christianity is not for wimps. You're complaining about it because you are.
Speaker 3:No humor tonight.
Speaker 3:Man, what a 24 hours yeah yeah, um, this, this, every single person I have talked to so that, all right, we uh, rob and I were like in the middle of a panel discussion and I got a text from taylor marsh, charlie Kirk, next shot, pray. Immediately. And I'm like, wait, what? I didn't know what he meant. I wasn't sure if he was just saying headshot, like somebody roasted him or something. You know what I mean. You know how you'll say that sometimes. Ooh, he got a headshot and immediately I went to Twitter and I saw the long-distance video and I was like, oh, my heart hurt, you know.
Speaker 3:And then Rob showed me the closeup. Yep, and there was something so psychologically damaging about seeing that closeup. It. I just it's. It's weighed heavy on my heart for 24 hours. My son called me last night. We had a conversation about it last night. He just he, my son's 19 and he's he loves Charlie Kirk clips. You know he's always watching Charlie Kirk. You know roast, roast, the college kids and stuff. And he just called me last night. He's like dad. I just can't get that image out of my head. It's just so like unnerving and unsettling and I I think that close-up video is what really has had such a psychological effect on every single person that I. I mean. Everybody just has this feeling of sickness for the past 24 hours. How about you guys?
Speaker 5:yeah, um, I have, uh, a little bit of knowledge in. You know, I don't have a medical background, but I understand a lot of medical things. And as soon as I saw that shot, I knew there was no way he was going to survive.
Speaker 3:I knew immediately, and in fact one of the things that I was pretty certain of is that he was gone within a minute of being for sure yeah, when they, when they were circulating reports that, uh, he's in critical condition, rob and I both just looked at each other like there's no, there's no chance. You meant because you see how quick the blood came out and in some ways, what was the? Location too yeah, I mean that was carotid artery.
Speaker 5:so I mean, I mean, you see that kind of that amount of blood, and even if they had a surgical team on hand right there on the stage the minute that he was hit, the surgeon could not have saved him.
Speaker 3:No, no, that's what Rob said. Rob said even if they had blood on site and they could have replenished the blood. There's just when your body loses blood that rapidly, there's no way your brain can't recover from it.
Speaker 6:So there would have been no reconstructing.
Speaker 3:No, there's nothing left to yeah, exactly, there was nothing left to reconstruct. Um, and that image was just so, so hard for everybody to see and I, I just think it everyone kind of oh my goodness, that happened at his school. I think everyone just felt this feeling of the irony of his outfit being called Turning Point. Right, because this does seem like a turning point in the culture in the country, everything. It doesn't seem like just another event that happened. As much as I thought the video we saw last week with the Ukrainian girl was the most horrific thing I had ever seen. This was probably the most.
Speaker 3:I don't remember being this like scarred from seeing something, like I wasn't expecting it to hit me that hard. And then all of a sudden it just comes up in your feed over and over and over and I just I said I have to get off Twitter, like I can't, I can't actually be on here because everybody's reposting it and I just I just couldn't see it anymore. So so we, you know, we go through that whole thing and then today I have to fly home on 9-11, on a crystal clear day, flying into LaGuardia. I have that to deal with. Then I come home and it turns out I have like a koi pond in my backyard that me and my wife built and I have 25 fish in there. There's seven left because a raccoon ate all of my koi and I'm talking koi we've had for five years. They're like nine years long and normally I ate all of my and I'm talking koi we've had for five years at like nine, oh yeah long.
Speaker 5:And I I don't like normally I'm like either fish, no, no, no koi, koi have personality and like I loved those stupid.
Speaker 3:Like every day I come home and I feed the koi like they'd see my shadow coming and they would like they'd know they're getting fed and it was just.
Speaker 3:It was just such a hard day to come home you can make a joke, rob, it's not the time. Yeah, I know. So it was funny because Rob and I were coming home and I was on the plane and I texted Rob and I go hey, do you think we should ask Hitch for another moment tonight, like he'd probably be a really good guest for this? Before Rob could answer, michael texted me and he goes hey, you got a little extra room when you show up for me to pop on. And I was like you know, man, it's just kind of, you know, seemed like it was too perfect to not put us together.
Speaker 5:so well, you know, as I, as I was processing everything that was going on and looking at kind of the reactions to to what happened, um, I mean, obviously the the investigative mind in part of me is sitting there going, okay, who, what, when, where and how, what was the motive? How was it done? Who did it? Did he have accomplices? You know I'm I'm sitting here looking at all the details, trying to ascertain everything, but I couldn't get past thinking about Charlie, his wife and his two little daughters.
Speaker 5:It breaks me every time you know, there's every every time I tried, yeah, Every time I tried go ahead go ahead.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry.
Speaker 5:Every time I tried thinking about just just reasoning my way through it and trying to just keep my rational mind going and focusing on, on investigating and doing what I do best. I just couldn't get past seeing pictures of him with his two daughters. It kills me every single time I think about it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I put a tweet out today, something along those lines and I and I and I don't mean to downplay people who don't have children, because of course, anybody can empathize with it but there was just something that just struck me as like just imagining, especially when their kids are so little, like that, when you have little ones and there are three and four like I met Rob's son this weekend and there's something they're just so dependent on you and so dependent on fathers, specifically like the thought of those kids.
Speaker 3:Melania trump put out a beautiful tweet saying along the lines of um, uh, charlie's children will grow up with photos instead of a father and they'll grow up with stories instead of memories, something along the lines of that, and it was just such a heartbreaking thing to read. Like, um, I think this, this, really it was just such a hard thing to process and I and I'm still in the mourning phase and I see people are moving to the next stage of grief, which is anger, and people are like, okay, you know what happens next. But I do think we need to stay cool and collected right now and understand the moment we're in in our country and that these things are probably going to happen in succession with the snowball effect incidentally, I have to correct myself.
Speaker 5:Somebody pointed out and and they're right a daughter and a son. I I said two daughters. I I meant, yeah, I, it was a daughter and a son. And you said two daughters. I meant, yeah, I, it was a daughter and a son. And you're. You know, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 5:We are in a situation, we're in a very precarious balance right now, where there is a lot of anger, there is a lot of hurt, um, you're, you pointed out the uh, the recent um deaths in the opening show. You know the, the assaults, the attacks, the, the kids that were murdered at the school that you've got, the uh, the ukrainian woman that was murdered on on um on the subway, and and there's so much more. I mean, there's there. There's so much that's going on. I I am reminded of what our lord said to himself in Genesis, just prior to announcing that he was going to send a flood, and that was that the hearts of men are set on evil at all times. All they think about is doing evil. And when you look at the kinds of people that are committing these heinous crimes, these heinous acts, it's very clear that there's a demonic spirit here. There's a satanic, hellish element to this and I've been pointing this out ever since the whole Black Lives Matter thing really erupted in the Summer of Love in 2020. That, the horror show that we're witnessing right now, was an eruption from hell. You know what happened in 2020, and not to rehash something that everybody already knows but something changed fundamentally in this country during that summer, and I think what happened? Because everything was locked down. It was locked down from Ash Wednesday to Easter, so you had an anti-Lent.
Speaker 5:Lent is supposed to be a time of giving things up, of not indulging, of saying you know what? I'm going to fast, I'm going to reduce my consumption of media so that I can focus and really kind of turn inwardly and look at my sins and do acts of penance and repent of my sins, so that I can focus more on my Lord, the God who saved me on the cross. That's what Lent is all about. Instead, netflix and Pornhub subscriptions went through the roof, so people were indulging instead of giving up. He was an anti-Lent and that, of course, came to Easter, where we were still under the lockdowns. And what happened? You had empty churches. All the churches were empty. You had an empty Vatican. You had Pope Francis say mass in an empty church.
Speaker 5:Now, what's really crucial to understand about this is that we, as Catholics, when we go and receive the Holy Eucharist, what's really crucial to understand about this is that we, as Catholics, when we go and receive the Holy Eucharist, what we're doing is we are receiving the light of Christ like a lamp. We become lamps, little lamps, into the world. You know, a tabernacle is where our Lord resides in the church. Our Lady is a perpetual tabernacle because Christ is always with her. When we receive communion, we become little tabernacles and so when we take Christ into the world after we receive Holy Communion, we bring those little lights of grace into the world with us.
Speaker 5:That didn't happen on Easter. You know the imagery of going into the church lighting the candles one by one. The church is darkened and all of a sudden it gets brightened because everybody is holding a lit candle at the Easter vigil and it all comes from the fire that's lit outside the church. Okay, that's all. At the Easter vigil we have this light that comes into the church and from the church that light goes out into the world. That didn't happen on Easter because nobody was receiving communion. And at the end of it.
Speaker 5:What happened on Pentecost? That's when everything was. It was overturned, you know, suddenly people could go back out into public and you were allowed to do things, and so on Pentecost, what's supposed to happen is the light of the Holy Ghost descends from the heavens upon us like flames, and it's the light that does. It is the flame that does not consume, because it's the same flame that we saw in the burning bush. It did not consume the leaves, but here, during that anti-pentecost, you had a different kind of flame that welled up from below, the kind of flame that does consume, the kind of flame that is not of illumination but of revolution. And from that point forward, everything changed. Everything's been different ever since. So I think when we start to look at what happened, you know that, and that was right about the time that Charlie Kirk was really kind of grinding the gears, he was really getting things going. From that point forward, I think turning point came from around that time period. So Charlie Kirk, he, he was a light into the world.
Speaker 5:In fact, a lot of people, they, they, you know a lot of Catholics, they understand. Okay, he was a Protestant, but let me tell you something he was going to mass with his wife. His math would actually. His wife would actually, uh, left the faith. She was not practicing her Catholic faith. She was returning, she was coming back into the, into the faith. There are pictures of the two of them going to Mass. Charlie was changing his mind on certain aspects of the Catholic faith. He was telling Protestants they got it wrong on Mary. And I'm also getting reports that Charlie had recently had his marriage consecrated in the Catholic Church, convalidated right, yes, and that he had been going to adoration. What Protestant does that?
Speaker 6:I got a DM from someone who says that they are close with the priest who was privately working Charlie through RCIA.
Speaker 3:So there's a good chance. Let me ask you something. So someone that's going through that like is that, is that what we would say Baptism of desire? Right, like that's that's what we would consider about, like somebody who's who's seeking it, but they just haven't completed the, the cause. He was baptized already. I understand that. Yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 5:No baptism, but a confirmation of desire. Well, yeah, if he's already going through rcia, he's committed himself to already going under the auspices of rome, which means he was already catholic. I mean, you don't just just because, look, if you're baptized you're a christian period. That's, that's the way it works. Um, going through rcia, coming from a a Protestant background, into the Catholic fold, once you make that commitment to go through RCIA and you've made that ascent of conversion, even without having going through the formalities of it, you're already in the faith.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. Now the thing is like I you know, I know everybody says like I didn't agree with everything.
Speaker 3:charlie said yes, of course, but um, I don't agree with everything sometimes, so it's like a silly thing to have to say, but, yeah, obviously, like I don't agree with everything. Michael thinks um, but the um, there was something genuine about Charlie. That was like he just seemed. He just seemed genuine and and what he was doing, and he just seemed like a good man. And every single story you heard from anybody who knew him in in their real life just they're heartbroken, like the people who actually knew him are heartbroken because he was. He was a genuinely good man, a good Christian, and it's just one of those things where I think everybody that's normal because you're seeing the reaction from people on the other side and it's just beyond evil and anybody that's normal is looking at this and the first thing they think is those poor children His wife and children were at the event when this happened and it's just those kids are going to have to wake, wake, like one day they're going to see that video and I don't know man, the whole thing is just really, really. I think it's, I think it's, I think it's galvanized the nation where something's going to change at this point and the conversation the conversation around right and left, I think is silly. At this point too, we're dealing with a group of people who are just completely out of their minds. Uh, this isn't normal left versus right discourse.
Speaker 3:I'm also not even sure what stories to believe from the media about what they're like, about this being a trans shooter, things like that. I don't know what to believe. Everything is just such fog right now. Everything is so fog of war at this point that it's like they're going to feed you stories to get you mad at a certain person to help their narrative. But I just don't. I'm so cynical at this point. I don't trust anything they tell us anymore. And I don't know, because you see, it's a shot from 200 yards away. Look pretty pretty much like it had a precision hit then. But then I'll hear somebody like Rob say it wasn't. I don't know what to believe on this. I'm not a. I'm not a sniper shot.
Speaker 6:So give me four hours with you and you can make that shot.
Speaker 5:Yep, yeah, a two, a 200 yard shot with a scope 30-06. With 30-06. And you're talking about? You're not trying to hit a small bullseye like this, you're trying to hit a mass.
Speaker 3:Getting center mass.
Speaker 6:They're probably actually aiming for his chest, yeah, so a rifle like that, it'll look to be a pretty inexpensive 30-06. Of 30-06. They usually have an accuracy. An inherent accuracy of a gun is measured in what's called minutes of angle, moa, what that is basically at 100 yards, one minute of angle is equal to one inch. It means that even if that gun doesn't move and fires at the exact same spot five times in a row, there's going to be a one-inch spot, a one-inch circle that it could land in right.
Speaker 6:Yeah, a cheap gun, a cheap bolt-action gun like that. You're looking two, three, maybe worst case four, moa. You're looking two, three, maybe, worst case, four, moa. So let's say it's a two MOA gun at 200 yards. A two MOA gun means it's going to be two inches at 100. It's four inches at 200 then. And if you slow down the video, that bullet actually strikes the upper part of an armor plate that he was wearing and it looks like. I mean, obviously I don't know for sure, but from the way it ricocheted it looked like it was a. You think he had a bulletproof vest on or something he most definitely did.
Speaker 6:Yeah so you, you see it hit here and then it it ricochets up into oh really Wow, I didn't know, up into oh really wow. So if it, if it hit here, and it was a two moe gun at 200 yards, that's a four inch circle, so they were, you know, they probably was aiming center mass, right at his heart, which you know, even a low power scope at 200 yards, you see very clearly.
Speaker 6:So it just means that a cheap bolt gun yeah you know that bullet landed in that four inch circle which was in the upper part and if it was? A cheap steel steel armor plate.
Speaker 3:Without the anti-spawing technology it ricocheted right up into his neck the crazy part is people talking about gun control like this was a bolt action rifle, like there's no gun laws that they'd ever create that are going to prevent somebody from getting a rifle like that every household outside of your big cities has at least one gun, exactly like exactly like this isn't.
Speaker 3:it wasn't an ar, wasn't a handgun, this is a rifle, is a hunting rifle, essentially. So there's like the people trying to make this about gun laws. It's just such a silly thing and this shouldn't be about that anyway. It's. It's just a cruel evil act that was committed. Now we don't know who committed it. I just know I don't trust anything I get from the news or the government at this point, like I just don't believe anything they say, so I don't know. Um, michael, you posted a statement by, uh, bishop burbage, bishop Michael Burbage, that you thought was pretty good, which is good to see from a bishop, right, like, typically they run with the gun violence thing, but this bishop seems to actually have his finger on the pulse of what's going on.
Speaker 3:In just the past few weeks, to a vicious pattern of political and social disorder at Annunciation Catholic Parish in Minneapolis, the killings of Harper and Fletcher, two innocent children, in Charlotte, the murder of the Ukrainian refugee Irina Zerutska and now political assassination of Charlie Kirk, known for his commitment to civil and rational discourse. We entrust each of these victims to God, our Heavenly Father and author of every human life, and His Son, jesus Christ, the reason for our supernatural hope. What we see unfolding in our nation is a vicious pattern of hatred rooted in the rejection of God, of the dignity of the human person and the sanctity of the family. We can eradicate these ills only through a firm reliance on God, through a deeper devotion to Christ and the gospel, through a sincere love for persons reflected in law and through a deeper devotion to Christ and the gospel, through a sincere love for persons reflected in law and through a renewed commitment to justice and public order. We're living through a perilous moment. Our challenge is not only one of partisan disagreement, law and policy, but in a deeper way, our challenge is to uphold the central goods of American political life, of faith, of families and of national commitment to live together in harmony as brothers and sisters.
Speaker 3:Nothing about gun violence, nothing political, just. We are living through something right now where this is good versus evil and our culture and our society is just ripping apart at the seams and it's so much to do with the evil that has been unleashed on the world and this has a very big part to do with the church. I'm sorry Like I'm not going to say it's back in two, but it's kind of the whole malaise of the hierarchy in general, not preaching about sin, not talking to people about the reality of hell that has just crept into the entire world, it seems. And once the church stops actually preaching the truth world, it seems, and once the church stops actually preaching the truth, we've just left these souls to live in this filth and man. Evil just seems like it's growing rapidly at this point and it just seems unstoppable, and the things that are coming down the pike don't seem like they're going to be better.
Speaker 3:Everybody looking for a political solution man. I don't think I've ever been more black, better. Everybody looking for a political solution man. I don't think I've ever been more blackpilled on politics. At this point, there's no politician you're voting in to fix this, nothing. It is a return to Christ or we are going to witness the collapse of the entire civilization that we know.
Speaker 5:So I will say this it's both end. So I will say this it's both end. It's both end because, in the one sense, we've gotten to the point where we can't rely on our political leaders to do what they're supposed to do, we can't rely on our law enforcement communities to maintain order in a disordered society. You just can't. So there is that spiritual element that must be engaged. We've got to do penance. Our lady said that if you don't do penance, if you don't do, uh, the first five Saturdays, if you don't wear your brown scapular, if you don't pray the rosary daily, if you don't engage in the practice of the faith, as she requested, well then the consequences are going to be worldwide spread of communism. Yeah, okay, that's, that's what we're up against. So there is that element. We have to, we have to engage the spiritual. However, I will say that we also have to push for certain things within civil society to get a grip on the rampant insanity that has taken hold of every facet of our, of our culture. And I don't want to read to you what I posted on on um, because I I wrote this. I was as soon as charlie died, uh, actually as soon as it was shot I. I went and I grabbed a rosary. I immediately started praying my rosary and I just went for a walk and when I got back, you know, I was hearing reports that he was already dead, but nothing official was coming out. It didn't come out for several hours later, but it was. It was pretty clear to me that he just wasn't going to survive. So I was ruminating on things, I was just thinking about it, I was, and I was looking at some of the reactions and some of the things that people were saying were starting to irritate me, because they were saying well, we've got to make sure that we're not. You know, this is the problem on both sides. There's just too much, too much harsh rhetoric. People are just saying mean things, not what this is about, because that's what's going to cause problems. And it's like look, stop, stop, because all of the violence is coming from one side. And as I was thinking about it, I just started typing. I pulled out my phone. I was walking around my backyard, I just started typing. I'm going to read to you what I wrote, because I posted it on X the other day. I said the time has come.
Speaker 5:There can be no civil discourse with the progressive left. Their entire position is built on a foundation of envy, and the only language they speak is rage, and the outcome will only ever be violence and death. The progressive left can't stand to see others succeed, so they demand to take from those who do. The progressive left hates the fact that others have good and beautiful things, so they tear down whatever they can. The progressive left despises innocence, so they seek to poison the minds and souls of children. The progressive left loathes God and the faith he gave us, so they do whatever they can to twist and suppress it. The progressive left abhors families, so they push to break them up. The progressive left has nothing but derision for true patriotism, so they foment revolution. There is nothing the progressive left won't do to get what it wants or to destroy what it can't have, and they will burn down their own homes just to spite anyone who crosses them.
Speaker 5:The progressive left is a criminal, terrorist Marxist movement and it is time that the ideologies behind it be made illegal. The ideology of Sodom, meaning anything tantamount to homosexuality, transgenderism, queer or other, must be made illegal. The ideology of Moloch, meaning the push for abortion, euthanasia, human sterility, must be made illegal. The ideology of Marx and Alinsky, meaning the envious socialism that demands tax structures to redistribute wealth, must be made illegal. All that is associated with the progressive left is filled with satanic hatred and rage, and it must be purged from our country if our civilization is to survive. So what I'm saying here is that you can't dialogue with somebody who thinks that the only way to win an argument is for you to die, and that's exactly what the progressive well, while I agree with every single thing you said there, this is not a a simple question of the progressive left, and it's not.
Speaker 3:There is something so dark and evil afoot here. So when you look at the Ukrainian girl, that wasn't a political thing. That guy is just demonically.
Speaker 6:There was a member of the progressive left.
Speaker 3:I'm sure, I'm sure, but this is so much more than just liberal Republican.
Speaker 5:It's just so much deeper than that.
Speaker 3:There is such a yeah, but I don't, I don't, I'm not disagreeing with you at all.
Speaker 5:Let me explain why, though because philosophy matters, philosophy matters. Everything about the progressive left is predicated on envy, everything. So what they do is they, they turn to people who are oppressed or underpaid, or uh, they have an ideology that's slightly different, or they want to have license to commit certain kinds of sins, and so what they do is they go to those people and they say you know what, that person gets away with this, that person has that, and they, they put the, they plant those seeds of envy in those people, and that envy grows like an evil weed in the mind. And so that envy, what does it do? It fuels rage, necessarily.
Speaker 3:What do you guys think of this? Because Austin said well, I don't know what he means by 85%. I'm not sure what he means, I don't know if he's just. Maybe he thinks we're traditional. I'm not really sure.
Speaker 11:But we are traditional.
Speaker 3:Um, I disagree, yeah, obviously, but I disagree with 85 of what you guys say regarding theology. But simply, now it is, it is this question us or them? So, um, they might be protestant, they could be protestant, right, that's, that's absolutely true. Yeah, there is something you know, we just watched. We just watched what happened in Minneapolis those Catholic school children. We just saw Charlie Kirk go through this. Charlie Kirk was a well-known Protestant. These kids were Catholic. Like there is a level where, when, when, what is the Peter Kreeft quote? When, when, what is the Peter Kreeft quote? Something about, like, when brothers are, when somebody's at war, brother like are fighting brothers, reconcile. When, when there's, you know, when there's an outside problem by fighting brothers reconcile. I don't know the exact quote.
Speaker 5:When there's a maniac at the door fighting. Fighting brothers will will reconcile.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and and there's there's a degree to which it's not just Catholicism they're going after. They are going after anybody who professes Jesus Christ, and I do think that there's. I'm not saying we should do ecumenical outreach, but there is a degree to which it is us versus them, the people who don't have any of the light of Christ in their lives, versus people who actually have some kind of a moral compass because they have Jesus Christ in their lives. Yeah, like anyone who even follows the natural law, they hate right Feuding brothers. Reconcile when there's an enemy at the gate. Thank you, rob. I'm Rob. Yeah, you know, I'm robbed.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you know um, um, yeah, and charlie kirk was such a pivotal uh aspect of getting elected. Why is charlie kirk the target? Because charlie kirk kirk was talking about the natural law yeah because he was arguing from points from there.
Speaker 5:You know, there there's something called uh, it's. It's an indisputable truth, it's a self-evident truth. If I say this is my finger, it's a self-evident truth, I don't have to prove it to you, I don't have to go through a large logical argument to prove it to you. It's self-evident. I can say this is my finger and it's a self-defining statement, and it's a self-defining statement, so there is no steps to proving it. Charlie Kirk was taking self-evident truths and explaining self-evident truths to people who couldn't embrace a self-evident truth.
Speaker 3:They have no reason, they have no rational mind.
Speaker 5:Right. There's no rational argument. They rejected their own biology, which means they did violence to their own nature. And if you do violence to nature, what you're doing is creating such a wound, such a visceral wound in the self that it has to have a violent explosion. It's like splitting the atom. You've done violence to the nature of an atom. If you split the atom of an atom, if you split the atom, well, what do you think is going to happen psychologically and interiorly and spiritually to somebody if you split them from their biological reality? It's, it's going to be an explosive force, force greater than the atom bomb well, to also like reiterate what you were saying, rob.
Speaker 3:Why don't you bring up the elin omar clip like this is because she's not even like one of the psychos over on tiktok who are like cheering on charlie's you know she's a psycho she is, but she's on.
Speaker 3:she's on. Who's she talking to? Um, I don't know who that guy is, I forget like hassan piker or something she's talking to, I think. Um, but just look at how they rationalize this. It's insane that they will actually say he brought this upon himself because of things he said and, to Michael's point, like all he did was say things that are just naturally evident for anybody with a rational mind and they consider this bringing this upon himself. Oh, mehdi Hassan, I thought it was Hassan Baikar.
Speaker 3:They're all the same man, same difference. Yeah, let's pop that video up.
Speaker 13:What I do know for sure is that Charlie was someone who once said guns save lives after a school shooting. Charlie was someone who was willing to debate and downplay the death of George Floyd in the hands of Minneapolis police.
Speaker 14:I think he called him a scumbag.
Speaker 13:Right have no regard, downplay slavery and what black people have gone through in this country by saying Juneteenth should never exist, and I think you know there are a lot of people who are out there talking about him, just wanting to have a civil debate.
Speaker 15:A complete rewriting of history.
Speaker 13:Yeah, there is nothing more messed up than to completely pretend that his words and actions have not been recorded and in existence for the last decade or so.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you can turn this around, but I mean, you guys get the point. It's like this is what Michael is talking about. These people, they don't see a father who lost his life. They see someone, someone who goes against their Ideology, Brought this upon themselves Because the things Charlie said are so bad that he deserved it. That's essentially what they're saying. It's beyond reprehensible yeah, it's it's, it's.
Speaker 5:It's extremely upsetting and infuriating to see the kinds of visceral reactions that people are having, um, and, and almost the celebratory and and self-laudatory tones that they're taking. It's, it's, uh, it's disgusting, but it's also part and parcel for that entire movement. These people trade in Schadenfreude. They live in in an well, it's, it's, it's a prideful disdain for anything good, true and beautiful.
Speaker 5:And Charlie he was. He was not an aggressive or a um, or an imposing or or even a a snarky figure. He, he didn't use snark or sarcasm at all. He spoke truth in charity. He was all, always only loving to the people that I mean. If, even when people were getting in his face and yelling at him and cutting him off and saying terrible things to him, he responded with the kindest and most charitable things I'd ever heard from a debate, from somebody debating these matters, you know, and and he would have been justified to say something nasty or awful back to them. He would have been justified and he never did. And and he never did, and I really admire him for that. I think that it's incredibly laudable and it was a virtue, and what he was expressing was true Christian charity.
Speaker 6:Do you guys know? If this is true, hold on that today Lofton has been attacking charlie kirk oh, I hope not.
Speaker 3:I mean I don't know, I don't know, I, I did. I did see people like I. I mean lofton is whatever. He might be right on the israel question, but I don't care, that's not you know and charlie was coming around on that. Yeah, charlie was coming around on that. Um, anthony robson, start considering wearing vests. It's interesting because, like I'm not big into suits, not even that like we're, he's in a charlie kirk is a different stratosphere, right?
Speaker 6:but you didn't make a decision today, which one?
Speaker 3:oh, okay, like the, he's in a totally different realm than us, right, but he's in the same field as us in some way. And robin robin made the point like anthony, you never know what loony you're gonna trigger with your tweets, even like that's the point we're at and in in time right now. Where you could because I do provoke people, char Charlie didn't seem to do that is what the point Michael was making. Right, charlie did seem to try and go out in a gesture of goodwill and have conversations about these things. He changed tons of people's minds, especially young people, right, he got so many people to change their minds.
Speaker 3:And but there are, there are so many people who do what we do, who go for the rage bait and try to get the hot clickable moment by the 60-second roast or something.
Speaker 3:Anybody in this arena now has to think differently about how they go about things. We're not in a time where you can just go and do these live events at a college campus anymore because everybody's at rest. And that's part of what they were trying to accomplish with this is terrorize everybody from even engaging on college campuses, where the minds are the most malleable, to hear the truth, because kids, when they're at that age group, that's when you actually want to confront them, which is why the leftists are always trying to take over schools. So what, what they like, what charlie was doing, even with stephen crowder did with the change your mind stuff all of that stuff had such a huge effect on the culture. It's what got gen z men to switch from being liberal to conservative. I think, and I think part of whatever this whole thing was is an attempt to scare people off from continuing on that road and helping young men come out of the rut of leftism that they grew up on in public schools.
Speaker 5:Yeah, I think that as we look at the situation, we start considering what people are saying and the kinds of anger that was directed at Charlie Kirk and still continues to be directed at him. It was, it was an irrational anger and what they were angry about is the fact that he was causing them pain, because the truth, it's the truth. If you think of a lie as a broken bone, okay, let's say every lie you tell breaks a bone in your body. And when you have to double down on a lie or you make the lie even worse, you're bending yourself even out of into a worse shape. You're harming yourself in of into a worse shape. You're harming yourself in ways that you can't even imagine.
Speaker 5:Now, imagine that the remedy for that lie is the truth, and the truth told in charity, not not just a nasty truth and a flippant truth, but you're telling the truth, you're explaining the truth, and what? What you're doing is you're resetting that wound, you're taking that bone and you're putting it back into its proper place. And what the what the patient is doing is the. The patient is screaming out and he's pointing a finger at you, saying you hurt me, you caused me pain, and that's where that visceral reaction towards Charlie Kirk is coming from. They are upset that he is setting their pain back into the forefront of their mind. And now, uh they're. They're blaming him for the pain that they're in, when what he was doing was actually helping to heal them you want to know what's interesting, man I I saw two things today.
Speaker 3:Rob texted me, we texted our group chat and he said I feel kind of awful about some of the things we criticized charlie for in the past.
Speaker 6:Right, but not we me like like the review we did of his talk with knolls, like don't even remember what I said but it wasn't charitable, at least right.
Speaker 3:So so yeah, you, you, you had felt some guilt about that, and I saw a lot of the groipers coming out today and saying as much like I saw one kid say. I feel awful about the things they said about charlie.
Speaker 6:Today I realized I'm an awful person, right did you see a few under that tweet though? No the you know the account, awesome jew. Yeah. They replied with like something like I realize that too, I'm gonna work to be uh better or something. Then, uh, they're like are you going to be less anti-semitic now?
Speaker 3:that person goes no more actually they tried for a tweet. But there's an interesting thing that's actually happening in in this, in that somebody somebody who was very critical of Charlie then sees this happen and it's almost like a shock to their conscience, right, and there's a moment of reflection and all of a sudden they realized, oh man, I like, I like, I need to go to the confession, confessional, right. Sometimes events like this, as awful as they are and I'm not saying this is a silver lining, even even but they can reveal our own hearts in some ways, right? Um, I watched secular libertarian dave smith's take on this and charlotte and he said an almost just as catholic, as this show talked about satanic people. Normies are starting to wake up. Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3:Dave's not an atheist. Uh, dave has come around to believing in God. I know that I'd like to get him on one day. It's just so hard to get him. But even him, he's buddies with Charlie, right, and Dave is sometimes at these public events. So for him to see something like this happen to his friend, he has to be thinking man, this could have just as easily have happened to me. This could just as easily have happened to any one of the people in the public sphere that are going to these, you know large-scale events. This guy was hidden on a roof 200 yards away and fired the shadow off. I don't care how good your security is, sometimes they're going to miss something like that, right.
Speaker 5:But the the idea and just to point, just to point to that out, you know a lot people are saying, oh, maybe this was an inside job. Maybe you know, you saw the hand signals from the guy with a white hat and the hand signals from the guy in the black shirt and look, stop, stop. Charlie Kirk was not a politician. He didn't have a secret service detail. He didn't have a heavy duty personal guard protection. He had yeah, he had a bodyguard and and the guy in the black shirt, I'm pretty sure, was one of his bodyguards. I don't think he was giving hand signals to to a shooter.
Speaker 5:But, you know, instead of of trying to look for the conspiracy theory which is very easy to do, especially given our day and age, but instead of giving into conspiracy theories, let's just look at the facts and be very matter of fact about it. There was a shooter. That shooter was on a roof. There was not a security detail that was going around sweeping every single. No, not the kind of personality that Charlie Kirk was. He wasn't a politician. He wasn't even an A-list actor or something like that who does hire big security teams to do stuff like this. He was a political commentator and activist, and we have to put this into perspective and say this is not a situation where we would look for inside jobs and and security details that help this happen. That's not. That's not this.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no. Well, first of all, nobody's going to be counted to silence. Everybody's still going to speak. But you will re-examine how you go about doing public events. I don't care what anybody says. Like, all these guys who do these public events are going to reevaluate their security. Their security, their security.
Speaker 5:They just I think Shapiro just canceled a bunch of his his uh speaking and he said he's going to do them again.
Speaker 3:But it's just, you have to reevaluate how you do security in these things, the um, the. The other thing is, uh, with, with, when it comes to, like, seeing the conspiracy, I'm going to tell you I, I don't know what this was, I'm probably not going to trust what they tell me it was. I don't know what it is like, I'm not, I'm not gonna say it's massad. You know what I mean, but I also just don't. I just don't trust anything and I don't know if there is some grand scale. I don't know what the, I don't know what the play would be in this regard, other than to rile up sectarian violence, right, just other than to just cause more, to escalate the tensions in our country, to cause more mayhem with it, because the best way to conquer someone is to divide, like a divide and conquer strategy works very well when you're looking to take down a nation, yeah, that's canceled that for sure.
Speaker 3:Now guys um, yeah, I I did like seeing that some people were starting to do a little self-reflection and maybe we have to think about how we talk about people in general online, like like. Maybe we have to reevaluate how we how any conversations, because, man, people are nuts these days. What did Taffy say? There was an individual after the shooting with his pants down, reportedly yelling I'd do it again which created a distraction and enabled the shooter to evade police fact. That is true. Yeah, there's a lot of strange things. This doesn't necessarily mean like this could the lone gunman man. It had an eerily similar vibe to the trump thing, sure?
Speaker 5:and just let's take that for just a second. I want to explain when, when we start looking at this, we can't just look at it in, um, in one or two dimensional space, we have to look at it in four dimensional space. Okay, there is an element to this that is spiritual and we don't know how much of this is, you know, a coordinated human activity or is there something of a higher nature going on here that is taking care of things behind the scenes? And I want to, I want to tell you a little story that kind of puts this into perspective. Um, I'll tell you two stories, actually, one my former boss when I was at American Life League. His name was Jim Sedlak, please pray for him. He died of a heart attack a number of years ago.
Speaker 5:Jim was the founder of Stop Planned Parenthood. He was the number one enemy to Planned Parenthood and he would annually go to Planned Parenthood's major conventions, wherever they were held. He would go there and he would just hang out in the lobby and be a presence. You know, people would sneer at him and stuff like that, but he'd pick up pamphlets and stuff like that and just kind of go about business that way. Well, he told me about this one Planned Parenthood convention that he went to. He said that as he was going into the hotel room there was a group of people that were kind of gathered in a circle and they were all just kind of chanting this weird chant and he thought it was really odd. He got a weird sense about them and he went up to his hotel room and he looked down and he saw them all in a circle and they were rising up, they were doing this chant and then they let out a yell and when they did the chant was over. Now he said there were, you know, 100, maybe 200 people just kind of milling about in the courtyard, just wherever nearby the hotel. But as soon as they finished their chant, all of a sudden everybody in that area went nuts. They went absolutely bonkers and they started rioting, tossing a sudden everybody in that area went nuts, they went absolutely bonkers and they started rioting, tossing things over. They just went crazy.
Speaker 5:There's a spiritual element to this. There's another story I'll tell you. One of my college professors was driving home from adoration one evening and he came to a four-way stop. This is at like two in the morning. There's no one on the road, he comes to a stop and he's just continuing to pray on his way back from adoration. He's just praying mentally. And as he's at this four-way stop, another car approaches and it's at the four-way stop and they they're facing each other, they're waiting for the lights to turn green and before the light turns green, the window of the other car rolls down and he just yells right at my college professor shut up, shut up. How would they know that he was praying? How would they know he was even speaking? So you start looking at situations. This guy who pulled his pants down said I'd do it again. I'd do it again. We don't know if there is a demonic influence involved in this. So, rather than taking a certain example speculating the circumstances.
Speaker 5:We have to look through this and say the only way that we correlation is not causation. So you have to wait for the evidence to come in to say that there was a connection.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, look there's a. I mean any. Anybody who's prayed at abortion clinics will tell you how crazy people get whenever they're faced with Christ. I mean, they just these people are demonically possessed or oppressed and, whether they recognize it or not, that's a visceral reaction. Uh, that there was. There's even, I think there was a video of them doing a eucharistic procession through new york and, like you'd have, a lot of people would drop to their knees and make the sign of the cross and then some people would just react vilely. You know they just being around the eucharist would make them, you know, completely lose control. Things like that. Um, I, I think I want to go over to locals and I think we're going to open up the the stream yard again and allow people to come on.
Speaker 5:Michael, you all right with uh hearing from some of the, some of the listeners and one more thing that I want to say before our our YouTube audience uh, has to go go to bed, um, um. I also wrote this on social media because I was talking about the problem of look, charlie kirk was all into the discourse, he was all into the dialogue, he wanted to have that conversation. He was helping people one-on-one and this is absolutely essential. But there comes a point where you have to look at the people of a particular philosophical outlook and you realize that there is no dialogue to be had. And what I wrote is this I said debate and discourse require people of goodwill, but you cannot debate with somebody who has no sanity to reason, with no humanity to appeal to, and who only wants to kill, destroy and take. That is the radical left and that is what we're up against agreed um somebody's saying this is too important, keep it on youtube.
Speaker 3:No, it's too important. Go pay for a local subscription.
Speaker 6:Tired of you guys not paying also if we keep it on youtube, there's a better chance we're going to get someone to just wants to troll. We're not gonna do that, so maybe we'll post it in a day or two on youtube so people can watch.
Speaker 3:But no, you have to be a locals member no, what I would like to do is like, especially some of you younger guys, if you guys, you know if this affected you in a certain way, you want to share it. I know I know a lot of people just kind of want to just express their sorrow, things like that. If, if you guys have any questions, if you guys want to come on and ask advice, we've got Michael on the block tonight so Michael can maybe help some guys out if they have any advice they need anything like that. But I do kind of I like bringing the local supporters on and giving them a chance to come and meet their pals and hear from them a little bit. So I think we might start doing that a little more often. We're not going to just do like full advice shows, but maybe when we go over to locals we'll start letting you guys pop on. So if you guys aren't local subscribers, please join us over there.
Speaker 6:That is where we have all the fun and if you're in the live chat now, I pinned the direct link to the local show in the live chat, so so um, michael, anything to promote.
Speaker 5:You got anything coming up or you have anything you want to yes, um, we've been going after the association of us catholic priests big time, especially since we put out the video showing uh the the that there were priests at that conference. They were talking about sexual self-abuse um, you, you know what I mean by I'm using a euphemism Um, and they were calling it a prayer very blasphemously, very, it was just awful. Well, we know that the U S conference of Catholic bishops is partnering with the AUSCP on a particular project. We have a report on that coming out tonight. My, my researcher is putting together the article Now. We're going to be sending a press release on it tomorrow morning. That report will be coming out tomorrow morning and we'll be circulating it around as much as we can. On top of that, I have additional information from the AUSCP's meeting in June that ties directly into all of this trans insanity that we've been dealing with for the last couple of years.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and we and we need our hierarchy to actually start addressing this issue for what it is Like. I'm so tired of this James Martin approach to this issue. The only way to actually get them to address it is for people like Michael to keep putting this public pressure on them. So thank you for everything you do, michael. All right, guys, we're going to wrap this up, we're going to head over. You need to get Michael back on soon for a non-sad episode so you guys can use the funny intro.
Speaker 6:Taffy made a funny intro that we have not been able to use twice.
Speaker 3:now we will play it on Locals. How about that?
Speaker 6:No man.
Speaker 3:Okay, all right, in. Okay, all right, it's all right. You guys gotta wait. Yeah, it's interesting because you came off of the minneapolis shooting as well, so the last two episodes you came on we couldn't do an intro, a funny intro video. But I mean, we have michael on all the time. He's like our best friend, so we'll get him on again soon, don't worry guys. Um, all right, we'll see you guys on the other side.
Speaker 6:Rob, take us out, brother oh wait, Rob, take us out brother.
Speaker 3:Oh wait, thank you. Why are we like this? Um, okay, so yeah, we're gonna throw the link up there for you guys. Um, the only thing I'm gonna ask you guys is to keep it short, like so we'll put the link up if you guys want to come on, ask any questions you, if you want to just share just how this thing affected you, whatever you want. Uh, questions, questions are always always welcome, but we're like, don't have 10 minutes up when you guys come on, like, keep it, keep it around a minute and we'll try and get a bunch of you guys on.
Speaker 3:And it can be questions or thoughts on it or yeah, if you guys have, if you're a young, guy who liked charlie, yeah, whatever if there was something we didn't address on the main show, uh, where you think we're missing an angle. If you want to, you know anything you guys want rob's going to throw it up there. Um, and uh, yeah, we man 160 people in in um locals tonight, so that's, that's pretty big.
Speaker 5:Usually we have around 100 um so that sounds like you're getting more subscribers.
Speaker 3:That's good yeah, I, I honestly um, it's, it's. This side of the show is always where, like, I'll share personal things is where we don't have to worry about keeping everything so perfect for you mean, I can let my hair down? Yeah, you're like. You know, I'm butting that top button there.
Speaker 5:Mikey, I'll call you, mikey, my second button um.
Speaker 3:All right, rob, let's stop bringing him on.
Speaker 6:Let's wait 30 seconds 30 seconds yeah it. Uh, it goes actually private in about 20 seconds now. Okay, it's on everyone, oh, I gotcha just in case, these guys don't want their face out to everyone. Okay, yeah, 15 seconds oh, so we're.
Speaker 3:We're still actually live on youtube, not on you it's free on locals like until until the ticker times down, and then, and then it goes behind the paywall. So, uh, what is that? What are you going on with our friend chris mike michael, what's that you're going on, you might? Our friend chris is interviewing you, I guess oh, yeah, yeah okay, he's a good guy. Um, okay, we're, we're set so okay let's go bring first one.
Speaker 6:Yeah, we'll just bring the first. We'll bring them on in order, hello oh, hey guys, what's up?
Speaker 9:what's happening? Brother man, this is, uh, I would always use charlie is kind of like a foil when explaining my conservatism to other people, like like, well, you know, I'm not like charlie who believes xyz, but I always appreciated his like he was out there and talked to people and it's insane to me that it's like when you, the left, thinks of the right, is this evil monster thing that wants to destroy and kill and they decide to kill the person who actually wants to talk to them and hear them out yeah yeah, they see they see us as evil, where we just see them as having wrong opinions, but in reality it's the other way around, like they're legit evil and we, we just people actually killing people yeah
Speaker 5:well it. It goes all the way back to ancient greece. You know they? They killed socrates. Um socrates was sitting on the steps of of uh. You know what was it? The um praetorium he was. He was just not the steps of of uh. You know what was it? The um Praetorium he was. He was just not the Praetorium. What was he? He was out there in the um the Agoram the Agoram, that's what it was and he was just philosophizing. He was just talking to a bunch of people and they, they had him killed. They put him on trial and they killed him. They killed our Lord. Why? Because he was preaching the truth, and the truth that he was preaching was a threat to the power of the ruling class. That's really where it begins and ends.
Speaker 9:Yeah and I people are not going to like what comes next.
Speaker 3:Nope, we all kind of feel that way they're not going to like what comes next. All right, ordo Catholic. Thank you for your input, brother. All right, let's go next. Rob Paul, what's happening? Yeah, what's up, guys? What's going on, brother?
Speaker 4:One of my friends are watching right now, so what's up to them? They are. Yeah, this inspired me to get an x account, which uh?
Speaker 2:just kind of good or bad yeah I don't know either yet.
Speaker 4:We'll see what happens but I just think, like I don't know how democracy is supposed to work like it does. How are we supposed to, how are we supposed to, how are we supposed to, you know, work with these people? I feel like they're just, they're just so beyond, just talking with and working things out with, like so I don't know, what do you guys think?
Speaker 5:Well, fulton Sheen used to tell a story. He said you can't debate proper heating techniques with people that believe that the best way to heat the house is to burn down yours. So there is no debate to be had with certain sects, and my response to certain aspects of democracy is that it can't be self-defeating. But when you have certain philosophies within a democracy that are defeating of the culture itself, they are inimical to that culture and they can't be allowed. You have to at some point say that there is a philosophy and an ideology that is illegal because it is contrary to the common good, and that's. The problem is that we've gone so far into free speech and saying, well, any idea, and we're, we're just the melting pot of ideas and go ahead and toss your hat in the ring. No, at some point you do get a demagogue who's going to come up there and start rabble rousing with his free speech and he's going to cause an uprising and end up with what happened yesterday.
Speaker 3:Do you, do you think we're going to end up with a dictator eventually? Like I don't see how it, I don't see how it doesn't happen. Every single time. That's what I mean. It's going to have to because things are so out of control. You're going to have a strong man come along and promise to get us out of the mayhem.
Speaker 5:Right, and it'll either be a good dictatorship or a bad one. I mean, just a dictatorship doesn't necessarily mean Fidel Castro or Adolf Hitler. A dictatorship simply means somebody who grabs the reins and says this this carriage is out of control, we've got to pull the horses to a stop, and I'm the only one who's in position to do it. So you know, that's kind of what what we're looking at. The question is do we go through a period of totalitarianism and terror, as in the french revolution, or do we go through a period of benign dictatorship, as in the the spanish revolution?
Speaker 6:yeah, it's either going to be solo, or augustine or augustus.
Speaker 3:Right. Anything else, paul, is that it?
Speaker 4:I just wanted to say like one thing that, like my wife said, which is like a good point, is that, like, in order for real change to happen, like the sacrifice for the person who actually like wants to start the real change, like you just have to accept that you're, like you're going to give up your life pretty much in that moment if you want to be the first one to actually make change in the country. Like you just have to accept in that moment, like you're going to lose everything in order to make it happen. So god bless you guys. Thank you so much.
Speaker 3:All right, thanks, appreciate you, brother who we got next, david david, welcome to the show hey guys, it's it's.
Speaker 17:It's an honor to be here. Uh, longtime lurker, uh faber amadis and uh locals and uh judex seraphiel and youtube, I guess. Um, yeah, I this whole thing has been. It's hit me in a particular way just because, sorry, I'm a little stumbling on my words in general as a person it really hit me in particular. Just noting that Charlie was the same exact age as I am. We were both 31. So something about that just struck a chord with me. And I was the one to break the news to my dad. I work under my father. I was the one to break the news to my dad. I work under my father.
Speaker 17:So, like I have that kind of close relationship there and was you know, I could tell that he had some kind of thought. That was with that too and it connected to that and he's he's probably thinking about like, oh, that that could have been, that could have been me, you know that kind of thing and yeah. So that's just some some context. But one thing in particular that I'm thinking about a lot is I know full well, like a lot of the kind of more boomer types in my parish because I have a very small town, boomer parish that floats across when anything like this happens is uh, you know, turn the other cheek, and I'm I, I constantly, constantly need to remind myself of, like the you know the church is teaching on just war and things like that, because, like, where, where does turn the other cheek? Like, turn into, like, like, yeah, we, we can, we shouldn't speak with them, but we have to defend ourselves, things like that. How do we see that here?
Speaker 3:Good question.
Speaker 6:I would say it's really hard to justify preemptive sort of action. You have to be very, very sure that there is an attack definitely coming and what're doing is to to prevent that. Right, right, how, how can we do that in this day and age when at least the beginning it's going to be these one-off sort of events here and there, like you can't?
Speaker 3:well, the first thing I would say is retributive justice demands that the guy be executed right, of course, that's not going to happen but but.
Speaker 6:So I guess what I'm saying is like we can't be the ones to commit some sort of unjust violence necessarily right.
Speaker 17:Yeah, right, right.
Speaker 6:The sword is in the state's hands, not ours right, but at the same time, especially especially as Catholic men, as fathers, husbands, you have to be ready, willing and prepared to commit unspeakable acts of violence, to fulfill your responsibilities and duties in whatever your state of life is.
Speaker 5:Well, let's put it into proper context. Every household is a mini kingdom. It's a mini kingdom, it's a city-state, and we use this example with my kids, because my kids are like, well, how come I can't do this? My friends down the street, da-da-da-da-da, they get to do this. And we say, look, our house is our own city state. We have our own laws, but we're part of the larger set of laws of the broader household, which means you have an obligation to defend what's yours, meaning your people that are under you, your subjects, your wife, your children, your property All of that is under your domain and you have an absolute right and a duty to defend it. Whatever happens down the street or whatever happens on the other side of the state or whatever happens on the other side of the country, is outside of your hands. Yeah right, so worry about your kingdom, deal with your kingdom and then, if you're in a position to do something on a broader context, well, cross that bridge when you get to it.
Speaker 3:Thank you for uh calling in, david, I'm glad you got gonna, I'm glad you enjoyed the show man. Yeah, thank, thank you guys so much. You guys are a blessing. Thank you, brother calling in David. I'm glad you enjoyed the show man.
Speaker 17:Yeah, thank you guys so much. You guys are a blessing, thank you brother who we got next Matt.
Speaker 6:Matt.
Speaker 3:Matt your mic's off. What do you got? What's going on, matt?
Speaker 18:How's it going, fellas? What's happening? I mean, what really shook me to my core is, like I mean just how like vile and disgusting this was. And it's like a father was just taken away from his kids. I mean we can't reiterate that enough. Like I mean I have a relative who lost his life early and left two little girls, and I mean their lives were changed forever. Like it's something that will shake you to your core for the rest of your life on this earth, for the rest of your life on this earth. Man, like I mean, it's just truly shocking to see, like also the reactions, the visceral reactions, from those who clearly show like demonic tendencies. You know, like, yeah, it's just like I don't know how else to explain this sort of stuff.
Speaker 3:I mean there's no other, there's no other explanation other than that it feels like yeah, yeah, man, I think we're gonna see an escalation of evil in our time that we never thought we would see, and it's I think we're all we all kind of need to prepare for it. Rob and I were actually talking about like what, like what is, what is the direction of the show after this? Does it? Should this change some of the content we're doing? Should we broaden out who we try to speak to and maybe make make some new alliances? Because I really do think we're going to see evil on a scale we haven't quite witnessed yet.
Speaker 18:So I mean it really is a turning point. I mean we have to do like introspection in our souls, like just look at what we're doing and how can we be a testament to Christ's life? I mean Kennedy Hall's tweet really like drove the point home. It's either Christ or chaos. There's no other option. It really is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, thanks, matt. Appreciate you calling in brother. Thank you so much. All right, talk to you soon. There's not too many people in there. If anybody else wants to jump in. They really got two lined up.
Speaker 11:So what's happening? Austin hey how you doing. I'm good, uh, well, yeah, so like honestly, like to be honest, like I don't like all of you guys just like, take, take some things just oh, you were the one.
Speaker 3:You were the one. Oh, I'm so glad you called in. This is awesome, yeah, so wait, wait, let's go. I want you now. So wait, what do you mean?
Speaker 11:by that, like just not to talk about differences because that's for another time, but I think the Novoselda is better than the Tridentine Mass, like properly done. Okay, most of the time it's not, but properly done it's okay, if you're wrong.
Speaker 15:Eh.
Speaker 11:That's a disagreement where that shouldn't mean we don't like one another, that's fine, you'd also say I go to a unicorn, but that's in the on now. What happened is, I think, probably the single most significant political event in 24 years. I think so oh, yeah, definitely but the strange part is only for half the country. He knows that. Oh, it was not about to be?
Speaker 6:no, no big political event for the other side.
Speaker 11:Trust me but they don't.
Speaker 6:They don't actually know that yet I agree, yeah, awesome, that's a really good point right so 24 years ago you have 9-11 and that was like this something.
Speaker 3:This really is the biggest political event since 9-11, but only half the country recognizes it as it was very, very perceptive it's not even necessarily.
Speaker 6:I mean, yeah, there's the right first left half, but also an age man. Your son doesn't remember 9-11, mine sure don't I barely do.
Speaker 11:I was like six years old when it happened, yeah.
Speaker 6:So for a lot of people this is the biggest thing in their lives.
Speaker 3:Christian Mario said that today. He said this is our generation's 9-11.
Speaker 11:It's because everyone on the right had the single, I think asked a basic question Also them yeah, very simple question and it's like this is the worst person it could have happened to.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 11:Because if it was Donald Trump, people have shot presidents before. There was this idea that if you're the leader of a movement, you you kind of like that is a risk, you put yourself out there, like that yeah yeah, right, and though he was like tony point was like significant in the conservative movement, like it was basically the republican body, yeah, in the united states, but he was like the most milquetoast conservative opinion guy out there. It's so bizarre yeah.
Speaker 5:But you know, the thing is and this goes back to what I was saying earlier he spoke truth to power and what he did was he discoursed in a very charitable manner and he was changing hearts, one at a time. That's really why that was a strength, that's why he was so effective, but that's also why he was so reviled and the fact that he was so popular I mean he was incredibly popular and there really wasn't anything in his character that anybody could point to that was nasty or awful. You might disagree with him on a few points, but you couldn't point to his character and say there was something wrong with his character and that's why he had to go. You can't do that and that's why picking him as the victim is the biggest miscalculation the left has ever, ever made.
Speaker 11:They don't realize. Like, for me personally, right like three days ago, if there were monsters on the very far right who were going to attack people on the left who I now know want to kill me, I would have maybe stepped in. And if, like I knew, there was, now it's just like well, both sides want to kill me. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Awesome. I appreciate you calling in. I appreciate you giving us a chance, even though you disagree with our uh, our takes. Yeah, we're gonna be like charlie kirk to you.
Speaker 11:You'll see I'll message you the most egregious thing, you guys okay, you can do that, that'd be fun.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I agree, yeah, okay, fine with that. We. We welcome everybody over here. That's that's willing to have the conversation. So if you ever want to, you ever want to have a discussion, I'm open to it. Yeah, okay all right, it was nice meeting you, austin. Thank you, brother people monarchist people, monarchist enjoyer. What's happening, brother?
Speaker 7:uh, hello, and hey, rob. Uh hello, michael, it's a pleasure to meet you. Just quick context I'm the young civil engineer who asked you guys about dating advice the last time. You guys did one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I remember you.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I got a girlfriend.
Speaker 6:Nice Good for you. Since then? Yeah, what Since then? Since then?
Speaker 5:Yeah, nice Good job. Dating advice from Anthony actually worked and now he's got.
Speaker 3:Now he's got abroad.
Speaker 7:He's not married yet yeah, and, and she, uh, she attends a sspx chapel too. So, oh nice, look at that. I know you warned against it, but I was just like hey, it worked out. So this is, this is great, it's working out. I just thought I'd share some good news on this very terrible day. But then I've been to. I was involved in Pering Point when I was a bit younger. I've been to their Student Action Summit.
Speaker 7:I can't remember if I actually got to meet Charlie directly in person, meet Charlie directly in person, but I will say that I do now need to go to confession, after having spent most of my day on Twitter and thinking very, very, very violent thoughts, as I saw through all the ghoulish people commenting. But yeah, people have been saying it. This is, of all people, of all people, it's the one person that is known to want to dialogue and want to talk, and now I want nothing but fire and sword against them. I know that's not the complete right reaction, but it was very difficult to maintain it. So, yeah, no, I guess that's my two cents on it. It's dark times are ahead.
Speaker 5:Yeah, you're going to get to meet my son.
Speaker 3:This is my son, Nicholas.
Speaker 5:Oh, I've it's it's.
Speaker 15:Dark times are ahead, yeah Um you got, you gotta get to meet my son.
Speaker 3:It's my son, nicholas. I've never even met, so, um, it was going to be tricky with the mic, but uh, yeah. So Rob and I were away yesterday and, uh, I sent the video to my son and I said just don't show this to mommy or anything. But he, you kept calling me last night just saying how difficult this was for you, right, yeah, yeah, what. What did uh? What was charlie like for like your generation?
Speaker 16:I mean so like seeing him get shot like that. Like you see charlie kirk everywhere, like on every social media platform, like I mean tiktok. There's so many clips of him. But like I've known him for a while like you know, I used to watch stephen crowder and stuff back like during covid and stuff. So charlie kirk was always someone I would watch like and I mean I see so many kids like in my you know my age like reposting stuff about charlie kirk, like really speaking out about it. Like you know, we're on long island so it's not a lot of the you know kids here do like have that kind of view, but like he was very, very prominent in my age group for sure he was a meme.
Speaker 7:He was like, um, like to the point, like for a lot of young people. He was like if you didn't know about his interviews, you at least knew the memes about him oh 100, I mean south park literally made an episode about him a couple days ago and it's the first one they've ever taken down yeah
Speaker 16:I mean good on them for doing it yeah, it's, it's just yeah it.
Speaker 7:I it again is very difficult to maintain self-control. I talked to my father about it and he, kind of kind of like you know, turned down my fire a little bit and he said, like I don't think you want the things that you're wishing for exactly.
Speaker 3:But how old are you?
Speaker 7:I am 24, about to be 25.
Speaker 3:All right, thank you, thanks for calling. And yeah, I hope all the younger guys that saw that video, you know, get over that, because that was pretty shocking imagery to see. So, all right, thanks for calling in. Man, we're doing like call-ins where we're letting everybody like jump on, so yeah, no, I just thought it was like because I sent him the video yesterday and then, like an hour later, you texted me and you're like I just can't get this out of my head. I mean.
Speaker 16:I literally saw. I saw the video about like an hour before work and I went in. I don't know it's, I didn't know him and I didn't. I definitely didn't agree with 100 percent of what he would say, you know. But I mean just to be killed for open dialogue. He's the only person that wasn't. You know. He just want to conversation and then all it's going to do is just make a million more Charlie Kirks. That's literally all it's going to do. I don't know what their goal is with killing him. I really don't. We got next Rob.
Speaker 6:We have good old K-Luke here. He was on last time we did this.
Speaker 3:I just wanted to at least have them hear your perspective. Thanks for coming on. Um, yeah, the um. Yeah. It was interesting because when he called me last night it was just like both of us had the same feeling, like we were like I don't know, I just can't shake this. It just it feels so unnerving, yeah, yeah. Yeah. He said he almost got emotional last night from it and it's weird because you don't know him, but you felt like there was something that we knew about him, you know look, when you're talking about the body of christ, it's the same thing as as a body, a human body, and when you stub your toe, your mouth says ouch.
Speaker 5:And charlie k? In many ways and I think, especially going through RCIA, he was a part of the body. He was a part of the body and the fact that he was taken from us hurts, and it hurts in a real way because we are all connected, because we are all united in Christ. So when that happens in Christ, so when that happens, yeah, it hurts and it's going to hurt and it should hurt, because now we recognize the pain that's being inflicted upon the body and we can turn around and say it's time to stop. It's time to stop it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's also really interesting because he's a podcaster, right, and there's something like these guys all watch our show. They're all like coming on to hang out with us and talk with us. When're watching a guy on a podcast, you feel like you know him so in a way, because we've all seen so many clips of charlie and so many of his interactions, it feels like one of your buddies died, like it really does. It feels like you lost one of your buddies, even though he didn't know you. We all knew knew him in a unique way from seeing all this content. So what's going on? It's Kluk or Luke.
Speaker 15:Well, my real name's Kevin, so I just All right. Kevin. We'll go with Kevin, that'll work. So I think I fixed the mic situation, so there's no lag now but, just wanted to shout out Michael Michael Hichborn. I've actually met you in real life man at a TFP event north of Baltimore oh, alright yeah, yeah, you probably don't know me I just went one time for the pizza. It was awesome.
Speaker 3:Michael, do you recognize him? I mean, his face looks. I'm wearing a tank top. I'm wearing a tank top again.
Speaker 15:I'm wearing a tank top again. I don't want to scandalize Anthony's, you know, innocent Italian nature there, but, no happenstance, I ended up sitting next to you actually at the event, okay, but it was a long time ago. So, um, but, but it was a long time ago. Um, anyways, my, uh, my question for you guys was um, you know, charlie Kirk was somebody that stood for, you know, free speech, open debate, you know, especially on the right wing, I mean.
Speaker 15:So, the way I kind of see it and this isn't just my take, I've seen some other people saying this too but do you guys think I mean that free speech and this kind of outlook on the right is kind of on its way out? I mean, it seems like a lot of people are looking at this and saying, well, the left doesn't want to hear us, right, you know, they don't want to hear what we have to say, and so, you know, I'm nervous about that kind of thing, right, I mean, because what comes after that, you know, the logical conclusion after that is division and most likely violence. And I think a lot of people, in sort of a messed up way almost, are looking for that retribution, because I feel like a lot of people are feeling like they're probably not gonna get it, you know, yeah, so I mean I don't, and just what do you guys think?
Speaker 3:you know it's gonna. It's gonna be an interesting. It's gonna be interesting to see how this all plays out going forward and see how, how, how political discourse changes. It's going to be interesting to see how the left reacts to to things going forward. I'm, I'm, I mean I. I do feel like it was a turning point and I don't know how that plays out, but something, something's going to change in my opinion I.
Speaker 5:I just put a a link in the in the private chat here, okay. About an hour ago, in the in the private chat here, okay. About an hour ago, cnn interviewed the guy that asked Charlie Kirk the transgender question just before he was shot His his. What he says is is rather surprising.
Speaker 3:Go ahead, and if you want to put that up, I think well, thanks for calling in, bro, we're going to. We're going to bring somebody else on next time but thanks for calling in, bro, we're gonna.
Speaker 6:We're gonna bring somebody else on next time, but thanks for calling. Okay, so I'll play the video. Yeah, I want you. We'll talk about that. We have, uh, we have two people uh to talk to. After that we have catholic chiropractor. We'll be next, we'll be after that as a majorian. I think you'll probably be the last one, because we'll probably keep you on longer than good.
Speaker 5:I'm looking forward to catholic chiropractor.
Speaker 3:I need an adjustment yeah, majorian, you're gonna we know you're gonna you're gonna give us he's. He's gonna disagree with some of our takes, so we'll uh, okay, I like this.
Speaker 8:Let's see what we got and people have obviously pointed to the irony that I was. The point that I was trying to make is how peaceful the left was right before he got shot and that that only makes sense if we stay peaceful. And as much as I disagree with Charlie Kirk I'm on the record for how much I disagree with charlie kirk but like man dude, he is still a human being. Have we forgotten that? Are we great like?
Speaker 3:and people have obviously pointed to the irony that you don't want good on him, man, like there's, like there's been a couple of people on the left that I've seen come out and at least say that like look, yeah, we disagree with the guy, but come on, like this is like the people that don't see the humanity in someone and just see a father who was taken from his children. I just can't, I don't.
Speaker 5:They're not human to me, but the fact that his point was that the left was peaceful. It's crazy. And then, right after that, charlie gets shot. I mean it speaks volumes and it just it's a perfect illustration of what we're up against. It's a perfect illustration of just how on disconnected the left is the left is they are not self-aware at all because they're.
Speaker 3:They're in this, this loop, yep, where they where they only get information on a certain feed, so they're not actually aware of what the hell goes on out there, because cnn won't even tell them that the minnesota shooting was a trans person, so they don't even know that these things are happening.
Speaker 5:It's it's really these bullets that hit charlie kirk, that had trans stuff written on them.
Speaker 3:Yeah, all right, we got next Rob.
Speaker 6:Catholic chiropractor.
Speaker 12:Hey guys. Hey, I know you you do, michael. We met at Sanctus, yeah, yeah, so I have adjusted your neck. I just wanted to come on and say I think this is really a moment that um going to radicalize a generation. You know, anthony, I think you and I are roughly the same age, so I'm one of the little older guys, like a senior in high school when 9-11 happened. So, yeah, you know, I think that was our defining moment. I think this is going to be pretty close to this generation's defining moment. It's almost like a Martin Luther King moment.
Speaker 3:Some people were saying this is as big as Transferdinand this could set off a sequence.
Speaker 5:Maybe not World War.
Speaker 3:There are no alliances in this regard it still could set off a sequence of events within our own country, though like it doesn't have to spread outside. I mean, it's not like he was a prince or anything it's more like the start of the troubles in ireland okay, yeah I'd
Speaker 5:agree with that. Yeah, so well, and I and I think that the the allusion to martin luther king or rfk youK I think that that is an apt illustration or an apt analogy, because what we're talking about is somebody who is a public commentator, which is basically what Martin Luther King was. He was a civil rights activist, well, and Charlie Kirk was a. He wasn't really an activist, he wasn't leading marches, but he was leading a crusade of discourse, and I think that that that kind of activism is a form of leadership. And then, when you take him out, when you shoot somebody like that on a public stage in such a public manner, well, what you're doing is you're effectively, psychologically, you're executing the movement. Well, everybody who's a part of that feels that, and there will be a reaction. There's going to be a response. What that response is remains to be seen, but I think that what happens from something like this is a lot of the moderates on the left are going. This is nuts. This is not what I signed up for.
Speaker 5:We were already seeing people coming from the left going. The whole trans movement is absolutely insane. These people are crazy and they were leaving the left. Some people were already registering to the Republican Party. Even Charlie Kirk was starting to bring people over by awakening them to the insanity of the left. But when you have something like this and they see that it's the rhetoric that comes from the peloses, the van joneses, the uh, you know, the, the diane feinstein's, you know, take your pick, uh, waters, whatever her name is, all of those people who are sitting there just popping off at the mouth, calling, calling people in the Republican Party Nazis, calling them all kinds of horrible and calling for violence. And calling for violence. Yeah, calling for violence. And now that the violence has happened, I think that, just like that young man, he saw that there was. You know, I just wanted to prove that the left was peaceful and now he sees that they're not.
Speaker 3:Yeah, maybe he'll wake up. All right, Thank you. Catholic chiropractor Appreciate that.
Speaker 12:I just want to say I love the show. You guys played a huge part of my reversion. Love the telegram chat.
Speaker 3:Love hearing. Love hearing that. Thank you, man. We got to get you guys down to San Antonio. Yeah, we would, yeah, we would just. We, we were just with some people from the ranch. I know, all right, guys Take care, adios. All right, bring Majarian on, let's hear it. He wants to yell at the boomers, he said.
Speaker 6:Oh sorry, lucas. Yeah, lucas, that was a tease we got to bring Majarian on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, my bad, sorry, all right, what's up, majarian?
Speaker 19:What's up guys? All right, it's difficult because I get what y'all are saying about this being a turning point. You know, pun kind of intended. I think there's truth to that in so far as I think the time for dialogue and debate in this kind of like battleground of ideas that Charlie Kirk is so like emblematic of that is that is over, I agree, but honestly, that's been over for a while now and you know, this political violence is only going to continue and this is not it's. It's maybe might open some some kind of cynical, jaded people's eyes on the left. Um, some of the moderates, but like most of the moderates, are already with us on a lot of these 80, 20 issues transgenderism, what happened to that girl in charlotte this um a couple weeks ago like they're already with us on that. Um. What I'm talking about and I talked about this with A New Crusade yesterday is I think we're thinking a little bit two-dimensional with the regime change insofar as, like a Republican, like total cultural victory.
Speaker 6:Right.
Speaker 19:It's still. You're still a. You're still controlled by the same masters. You're still controlled by the same masters. You're still controlled by the same masters, and I think a lot of people have this kind of and I'm seeing this a ton on twitter right now.
Speaker 19:You see these people lashing out with anger and they have these like fantasies of violence against their enemies and punishing their enemies and stuff. And it's just LARP, like they're not actually doing anything to achieve their political goals. They're not infiltrating institutions, as I always am talking about kind of finding those institutions of power, whether that's in politics or in universities or wherever. They're not doing that, they're just. This is a way for them to get their masculine urge for violence, which is within all of us, out without actually doing anything. And it's, you see, with people doing video games, people watching pornography. There's multiple ways that men have these male power fantasies and what I'm seeing is just a bunch of LARP. And what I'm trying to urge people is to not let your words remain words and not let them just be words but actually have actions, and that's what I'm thinking out here.
Speaker 19:Yeah, I mean, that's the problem, right.
Speaker 5:Well, it is and it isn't. So I want to. A friend of mine was commenting because I read that thing that I wrote the other day on the progressive left and a friend of mine responded to me. He said you want to declare war.
Speaker 5:I understand the impulse because it's a horrible, evil day, but who exactly is the progressive left? Is there a list? Is it just Democrats or only some? Are some Republicans included or is it only by self-definition? Is there a list? Who keeps it and who decides who's on it?
Speaker 5:We're talking about individual humans here, so there needs to be some distinctions. Was I have a list? Because this is this is the nature of my research? I, I know exactly who I'm talking about. I said I have a list. It's extensive, but I have one, and these monsters aren't hard to recognize. But these leftist monsters just proved that they can, that that they have no goodwill, that they have no sanity to be reasoned with and they have no humanity left to appeal to.
Speaker 5:And when we were going over what could be done, donald Trump came right out and he said we've got to do something about these progressive organizations, these activist organizations. We've got to do something about these foundations, these funders of these community organizers who are doing all of this, agitating within our culture, within our society, and I think that we have to start there. We have to say, okay, who are the ones who are actually agitating our society? We have to look at sedition and we have to look at incitement as actual prosecutable crimes and when you look at it that way, you can say, all right, those people who are out there telling people to go in the streets and start burning stuff down, tell people to get active. You get all the people on cnn and msnbc who are out there saying, oh, be active, do something, get you know, get angry. Those are the people you need to start pulling in and putting before a grand jury.
Speaker 3:But you have to understand what Majority is saying, Like no Republican is going to do that and you're not going to vote one in. The system is broken.
Speaker 19:I'm telling you right now the people at least in my experience, I work in politics the people in control.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to say that, the people in control, I've not going to say that.
Speaker 19:The people in control. I've been working a lot this week because there's been a lot of stuff going on in my area People in control of these areas. They are only concerned about re-election and they will not take any sort of calculated risk. So what my? My typical approach, I think, is kind of the I follow the elite theory model, um, and to create like a counter elite to the current elite. You need this kind of event with charlie kirk. You need some destabilization event. I think we're getting a lot of destabilization events of the current elite. I think people are. They're legitimacy. I think that's a great thing.
Speaker 19:The problem is we need to organize. You need an organized minority to get in there and get stuff done. And I think conservatives, we need a shared vision. And then we also need to put our guys in power where we can not just in politics, in media, in university system, the bar associates, anywhere. So basically, I'm saying we need to start mentoring younger conservatives and put them in these positions of power. Figure out what they're good at. If you're good at engineering, we'll put you in engineering board, stuff like that. That's the plan for the future and it's girlfriends bro.
Speaker 11:I'm good you don't have to worry about me, I'm all set.
Speaker 19:That's part of it, though we need more mentorship with young men. I think we need some kind of organizations. I'm not Fed posting here. I'm not talking about like patriot front and stuff like that that's all feds anyways but like you need some kind of organization, um to kind of cultivate this talent network, and that's how you get stuff done eventually.
Speaker 5:that's how you make that organized minority we.
Speaker 5:We suffer in this country from a lack of fathership or a lack of fatherhood, and and it's that abandonment that most of the young men in this country are suffering from which is causing a lot of the breakdown psychologically. What's happening is you're getting this tribalism, where people are stepping into the role of father, that is causing these young men to be galvanized to certain ideologies. This is, this is part of the problem in in alchemy, in the occult. What you're looking at is is what they call salve at coagula, which is the breaking down and then the reforming of society. Uh, in the freemasonry they called it ordo abcao, so order of chaos and and with an event like this, a destabilizing event, as you pointed out, what they're talking about is trying to break down society so that they can replace it with their own vision of society.
Speaker 5:Church used to do. The church used to go out into the communities with their religious institutes, whether it was priests, lay brothers, nuns, whatever it was. They would go into the communities and they would draw in those people who were abandoned and they would introduce them to christ. They would introduce them to the gospels. So what we have to have is the church coming back with a full resurgence and saying this is how we lead souls back to christ.
Speaker 3:But since the hierarchy isn't doing that like, should we start doing it from the ground up and start doing like for like, fraternal orders and things? Like that vacuum yeah nature is a vacuum, so clearly the hierarchy is not going to take that role, and I'm cooking some stuff up. Trust the plan all right yeah I don't know man, I think, uh, I think we're at a different time in history and I don't think, I don't think the political system we have in place stays. I just don't, I just can't see it stay.
Speaker 19:And people that are still talking about republican and democrat, I'm like man, I don't know, they're like we I don't in in politics, you know we're always talking about the next four years and even you know congressional level, the next two years. Right, we need to start thinking about the next 20 years, the next 40 years. That's how I mean. The leftists didn't just infiltrate our institutions overnight. It happened over a period of decades and that's how you're going to fix these things over a period of decades. So we need to start cultivating this now so that when y'all are all gone and I'm all hanging out on my farm somewhere and with my kids, it'd be okay for my kids.
Speaker 6:You're like 10 years younger than me.
Speaker 3:No, but there's a reason fuentes is so popular right now. Right, there's a reason that even us tonight we're talking about a strong man coming in. I think everybody can sense something is going to break. It's got it's. The system that's in place cannot endure for much longer. So I I heard rob blackpilling tonight for like the first time you know, behind the scenes. He went totally apocalyptic on me. I was like, yes, I love it, because this, this american project, is just on its way out. I don't know how the story ends, but it doesn't continue the way it has for the past 250 years. It's just something new is going to come. So, like to michael's point, yeah, they're going to try and have order out of chaos so they can put their system in. But can we put our system in and beat them to it? I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 19:Yeah, I mean I'm always, I'm ever an optimist. You know I'm a cynic but I'm always an optimist and I think I's great hope there. I think people need to realize that obviously this is shocking. What happened to Charlie, most common thing that has happened in politics since the mention of politics, we had a good you know, 20, 30 year run where it was relatively violent, free from, like, explicit political figures and pundits, and even then, like if you really looked it wasn't.
Speaker 5:Trayvon Martin comes to mind.
Speaker 19:Exactly, exactly. But even you guys mentioned, like Martin Luther, King before, if you really looked it wasn't um martin comes to mind, exactly, exactly, but like that.
Speaker 3:But even even you guys were mentioning, like martin luther king before. Like you have to think about that whole time period. It wasn't just mlk, it was jfk, rfk. There were like several very high figures that were just kind of wiped out in a couple of years, like that. And they must have thought at that time similar to what we are thinking, like oh my goodness, this order can't continue. And it did manage to stabilize. So does that happen after this? Is the thing stabilize after this, or do or are we overreacting?
Speaker 19:I don't know I think, I think the powers that be will seek to stabilize as much as they can, but I, I think, um, the cat is out of the bag a little bit. Um, I think the zoomers are proving a little bit harder to control than previous generations, um, which is both, you know, terrifying and edifying at the same time yeah, um, rob, you're saying the telegram is not open to local supporters now.
Speaker 6:Yeah, we decided on that remember I know.
Speaker 3:But these local supporters pay us. Does all the Telegram people pay us? I don't know.
Speaker 6:That's why they're two separate groups.
Speaker 3:I got to figure something out. We're going to have to do a local Telegram chat, you're not even in the four Telegram chats. Yeah, but I don't care. Care, people that pay deserve to have a telegram stop burdening me with more work we'll figure that out. Yeah, the locals, the locals is turning into a dumpster fire or this one, just that I, they're making comments in there. Alright, majorian, anything else, because we got two people that are lined up. But you, you're welcome to say Not much, not much.
Speaker 19:Y'all have a great rest of your night. Pray for Charlie and his family.
Speaker 3:Yeah, anybody that hasn't yet, go subscribe to the Latin Slavs podcast. That's Majorian's podcast. We love those guys. Who we got next? Rob Lucas Lucas. What's happening, brother? Hey, what's up guys, how's it going?
Speaker 10:I love when somebody comes on with a good setup, good mic, oh yeah, yeah, uh, better than yours used to play quite a bit of games and stuff. So I got a nice you know mic and setup and stuff, pc at home. But what's going on? Not much, I was just saying, uh, I want to say how much I really appreciate you guys. You know I'm a, I'm a brand new convert. Uh just was baptized and everything this easter and uh, praise god yeah yeah and um.
Speaker 10:Since then I've uh started going to latin mass. I luckily have one in my city. I really love it fantastic, a lot of good friends and I have a good group going on there and this has been like an amazing time of my life since I was coming to the church. How'd you?
Speaker 3:come across us.
Speaker 10:You know, I can't remember exactly how I found you the first time, but I was, I guess, really looking for a long time of someone that I resonated with more of like, I guess just masculine, like conservative type of voice, because I knew that had to exist um in the space of Catholicism, and I guess you guys really feel that pretty well in my opinion.
Speaker 3:I appreciate you, man. Thank you.
Speaker 10:Um, I just you know, you guys are probably like my number one. I love to listen pretty much every one of your shows that I can and everything.
Speaker 5:So um, yeah, me too that I can and everything.
Speaker 10:So thank you, yeah, me too, but uh, and also yeah you, michael, I really appreciate the lapanto institute.
Speaker 10:I've donated a few times here and there and I think you're doing great work. Um, and yeah, just the last few days uh, today and yesterday has just been it's been kind of shocking for me like I saw the raw footage right when it happened. I was with my grandparents. They're Protestants, the kind that don't really go to church or anything, but they would say they believe in the Bible and Jesus and everything. They were talking about how they had just seen charlie on fox recently because they're they, like you know, they watch the fox news and everything.
Speaker 10:And my grandmother especially, she was just shocked and really saddened by the like. When I told her that he had been shot while giving a speech or, you know, debating with people, she was just like you know, I can't believe people. It's come to this point like it seems like you know, like you all have been talking about it really is does seem like a turning point, like I don't know how we're expected to just keep on going the way things have been going like I haven't seen like this much grief, like just like even yesterday on Twitter.
Speaker 3:It was so interesting just to just to see everybody felt the same way. I did Basically the same exact thing you're saying. Like we all just felt like a heaviness on our heart. It was unlike any other you know bit of violence we've seen. Like this hurt in some ways more than even the, the catholic school shooting that we witnessed a week or two ago, I guess, because there was video of it and we got to actually see it, where I'm sure if we had seen footage of that it would have would have ripped our hearts out even more.
Speaker 3:But I think I think it was the the fact that it was on video and we had such close-up footage and, like I said earlier, that we feel like we know him because we see so many clips of him everywhere and he's having conversations with all the people we enjoy watching. I mean it's all those guys, right, it's the michael knowles, the matt walsh's, the charlie kirks, the all the guys that are kind of representing for the most part conservative commentary out there and to see one of the top guys that did it, one of the guys that helped Trump get elected, probably more than anybody else, like it really was Charlie Kirk that got Trump elected, especially at the ground level with young men. So to see something like it's so hard to even say the assassination of Charlie Kirk I was just watching a video of him two days ago. So I mean, I know I was with a group of guys for the past three days and even the guys that we were with just all of us were just like immediately let's all just pray Hail Mary together Like and I don't know kind of just left a haze over all of us for the rest of the time we were together.
Speaker 3:We went to the bar to get a beer. There was like a 27 year old girl bartender there and her too, she was just I was, I didn't know if she was going to be like a liberal or something and she was just like. She was like no, I love charlie. And she was even devastated. It was just. It was everywhere of everybody I encountered was just heartbroken. Yesterday it was, it was a unique thing.
Speaker 10:Yeah, for sure. I don't know. It felt strange to me Right now. I'm 24. I'm kind of a young guy. I'm in school right now, but I also work part-time Today I just got up, I went to class, left my class, went to my job.
Speaker 3:How were the people at school? How were the people at school? Did they even?
Speaker 10:about it or nobody, nobody even mentioned it. It just seemed like bizarre to me, like you know, like another normal day, and that was kind of weighing on me because it felt like such a big thing. It just happened to me like uh, like this was such a a big moment, like I don't know professors didn't mention it, none of the other students even met.
Speaker 3:That is so strange to me, yeah.
Speaker 10:Yeah, man that's weird.
Speaker 10:Yeah that it just like you know. It was a weird day for me Cause I just was thinking like all all day long, I'm like this, this it just doesn't seem like we can go on like this, like how are we going to keep sharing a country with these kind of people? But then everyone around me was, just like you know, another, another thursday, uh, and it just I don't know, it's just I've been in a really weird like mood today and uh, I just, you know, came home from from work and I've just bought locals for you guys tonight because I felt like about time, yeah, so I just, I've just bought locals tonight and guys tonight Cause I felt like about time, yeah, so I just I just bought locals tonight and came on and watch the show and just really appreciate you guys and I don't know.
Speaker 3:Well, we appreciate it. It's been a rough day. We appreciate you too, Lucas. I'm probably going to do these every once in a while and if you guys do have questions or advice or anything like that, you guys'll give you the opportunity to pop on, come in and say hello. It was nice meeting you. Welcome to the church. You're now part of the most dysfunctional family in the history of the world. Yeah, welcome brother. Very happy to have you be part of the body of Christ.
Speaker 10:Thank you, I'm glad to be here. I also want to say, rob, I love your gun content. By the way, I'm really big into firearms and stuff myself.
Speaker 6:Nice. Thank you very much.
Speaker 10:All right, Nice meeting you.
Speaker 3:Lucas, very cool meeting you. All right, that's it right. There's nobody else in there.
Speaker 2:There's nobody else in there, right.
Speaker 6:There's nobody else in there, all right, bring them on, bring them on, but this is the last one.
Speaker 3:Everyone, yeah, so nobody else clicked in. This is going to be the last one. We've got to wrap this up. Chris is going to close out the show. What's up, chris? How you doing Anthony.
Speaker 14:I'm not just teasing you, Chris.
Speaker 3:You have an interview set up with Michael.
Speaker 14:Yeah, was it January or February, I don't remember.
Speaker 3:That far out Michael's that busy.
Speaker 14:Sadly, no, it's my fault. That's a long story. It's February. We'll try to get you earlier. I'd like to get you probably next month, if I can figure out.
Speaker 3:Chris has got like nine e-girls he's got to interview before you come on, wow.
Speaker 2:Shots fired.
Speaker 3:I'm just breaking your balls. Go home and get your shine box. What's going?
Speaker 14:on. I just wanted to say thanks for putting out that article about the Detroit Archbishop. I'm very interested to see where that goes. Do you have any more?
Speaker 5:Yeah, the Archbishop. The article I did on Weisenberger, yeah. Yeah, I'm hoping that that gets a lot more attention than the, let's say, the mainstream Catholic news outlets were willing to give it.
Speaker 6:We got to read an interesting prayer, cause I had only seen by him this this week.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so, so we were in Detroit and we went to. We went to St John's, which is the old seminary.
Speaker 5:No, no, no St John's resort.
Speaker 3:It was a resort, but it's the old seminary. The nickname for the seminary used to be the pink palace. Oh yeah, we stayed at the pink palace. Um, this place is gorgeous, by the way, like absolutely stunning. The grounds of this place are just beautiful. Beautiful chapel they had. They had the, the. The host reserved. The eucharist was reserved there, so they had the red light on. We all were able to go in and pray and stuff. But right when you walk in there's this giant plaque with a prayer written by that bishop and it was the most earthy like laudato si nonsense.
Speaker 3:I ever read him.
Speaker 6:I should have took a picture of it uh, I'll see if I can find a picture, uh.
Speaker 14:Second, I just also wanted to say uh, uh. I just had cigars with bug hall a couple weeks ago and he had nothing to say about you, michael, so what?
Speaker 6:did he have to say about ann? Yeah?
Speaker 14:well, I was. So I was at a catholic retreat with him about uh at one of the local churches maybe a couple months ago and he said the only thing he remembered about anthony before he went into your guys's show was how much you hated. It's a wonderful life that was like the only thing he's like anthony and I have been in at least two arguments about it's a wonderful life. So that's what he remembers about you he doesn't actually know like.
Speaker 3:I just do that to troll people because I know everybody like it's such a beloved movie. I'm like it stinks. It's not a good movie. I don't know why I fall asleep every time I watch it. People get so upset about that. And johnny cash? I just pretend that I don't like johnny cash, but there's a couple songs I like. I just tonight I'm a man and blow people up um, what do you got coming up on your show chris.
Speaker 14:Uh, actually okay. So unless something weird happens before monday, we're gonna. It's gonna be taylor marshall on mond Monday That'll be, exciting. Look at that. I'll actually announce this on this show because it's more of a private show right now, but we're actually having another child here next April. Congratulations, chris, that's awesome. Thank you very much. Great to hear it. That'll be number six for this family, awesome.
Speaker 3:Keep it going. Our first Taylor interview was actually pretty like iconic for our channel. Like it helped. It helped our channel grow quite a bit. So I hope that happens for you too, man.
Speaker 14:Thanks, yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I want to discuss the Christian Patriot stuff with them. I got to do the early review for that book, so that was really cool.
Speaker 3:And if you look really closely, my name's actually in there in the 2000 names. He's got at the back of the book. Oh yeah, um, here's. Here's what you got to do. You got to come up with a good question that you'll get a good sound bite from. Uh, it can't be something that'll offend him, obviously, but try to come up with something a little controversial that you haven't seen him ask on any other show or anything, and make you know and have it be like a good three minute clip and that'll go viral for you. So you got to think. You got to when. When is your interview? It's monday, monday monday.
Speaker 3:I'll try and I'll try and I'll try and think of a good question and I'll give it to you, see if we can help you, help you out a little bit.
Speaker 14:I appreciate that, anthony. Yeah, I'm actually kind of thinking maybe the because I want to talk to him about troops of saint george that's one thing I really want to talk to him about, since he's an extremely big part of that. And then additionally, um, I think there's probably something related to charlie cook kirk we could discuss about christian patriot, because I think he was a very good example of what taylor's looking for in his book.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, and taylor taylor interviewed charlie kirk.
Speaker 6:I saw that interview up today, so um, do you guys want to read this terrible prayer?
Speaker 3:yeah, just read the terrible.
Speaker 6:I don't know so this is on the wall in a couple places at this resort. So it's a prayer for world priests or world peace. Dear god, thank you for all creation. Uh, in the spirit of jesus of nazareth and all teachers of peace who inspire the many faith traditions, help me and all the people of the world learn how to replace hate, war, oppression and division with love, peace, forgiveness, freedom and reconciliation. Help me to embody your love and my relationships with my family and friends, strangers, even my enemies. I commit myself to the sacred task throughout my life. So let it be he can't let it be.
Speaker 3:He can't even say amen. He can't even say amen. And he has to say to all the faith traditions he doesn't say Jesus Christ is Jesus of Nazareth, that's a Masonic prayer.
Speaker 5:That is a Masonic prayer, the way he ended it specifically so let it be, is one of the Masonic epithets.
Speaker 3:What an absolute piece.
Speaker 14:Is that why the Beatles use that in their song about Mary?
Speaker 6:Wow, I never thought about that.
Speaker 14:I'm curious that song is let it be. Well, no, but they say so, let it be. At one point in the song.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, yeah, mode it be at one point in the song yeah, yeah, yeah, mode it be. And the thing is it's it's used in Freemasons, but it's also used in various occult circles too.
Speaker 3:That's very wicked man. As he, we had to have a could you send that? To me. Yeah, rob will send it to you. We had to have a priest who is like sidelined because he called out shenanigans in the diocese and that's who said mass for us I won't say the name In the diocese of Detroit. Yeah, he got sidelined for like calling out homosexual activity and stuff and he got sidelined Well off here.
Speaker 14:I want to know which priest it is that might know them.
Speaker 6:We don't. I don't even know the name. Oh, I don't even know the name.
Speaker 14:Not the devil man. No, I know plenty of priests that have been sidelined, so I'm just curious. I get a lot of information in the Archdiocese of Detroit just through various channels. That's why I'm asking Do you know what's his name?
Speaker 5:Jay shoot, let me. Oh, what's his name? Jay Shoot, let me Jay.
Speaker 14:McNally, jay McNally, that name rings a bell, but I couldn't. I don't have a face to the memory.
Speaker 5:So Jay McNally is a longtime reporter in the Archdiocese of Detroitroit and he pretty much knows where all the bodies are buried, so he would be a good resource for you if you're trying to dig around.
Speaker 14:I'm not trying to do like a full-on investigative report. That's not my, that's not my uh, my business per se, but I am interested yeah, reach out to him, he, he knows me very well.
Speaker 5:Uh, he's on. He's on Facebook. Just look up Jay McNally from Detroit and you'll find him pretty quickly.
Speaker 14:Yeah, I'll look him up, thanks.
Speaker 3:All right, boys, we're going to wrap this one up. Chris, good luck with everything. Good luck with your Taylor interview. If I can think of something good, I'll shoot you a DM.
Speaker 14:Sounds great, anthony, thanks for bringing me on, really appreciate it Anytime, Anytime kid.
Speaker 3:Give your wife our best. All right, Rob, take us out. Thank you.
