Charlie Kirk, 10/14/1993 - 9/10/2025

The shocking assassination of Charlie Kirk has left our nation reeling, creating a moment that transcends typical political divisions and forces us to confront the darkness that has taken root in American society.

We gather to process not just the horrific event itself, but what it reveals about the spiritual state of our culture. The gruesome footage—showing a father of young children gunned down while simply speaking—has left a psychological scar on everyone who witnessed it. One young man called his father in distress, saying "I just can't get that image out of my head."

This murder follows closely behind other acts of senseless violence: Catholic schoolchildren killed in Minneapolis, a Ukrainian refugee woman murdered on a subway, and the attempted assassination of former President Trump. These aren't isolated incidents but symptoms of what one guest calls "a demonic spirit" unleashed in our society. The troubling pattern suggests we're witnessing something more sinister than political disagreement—we're seeing the manifestation of genuine evil.

Perhaps most poignant are the revelations about Kirk's faith journey. Despite public perception of him as simply a Protestant figure, we learn that Kirk had been attending Mass with his Catholic wife, participating in Eucharistic adoration, and reportedly going through RCIA with a priest. As one guest notes, "What Protestant does that?" This spiritual dimension makes his murder all the more tragic, cutting short not just a public career but a profound personal transformation.

The discussion moves beyond simple grief to examine the philosophical foundations of our cultural conflict. "Debate and discourse require people of goodwill," one participant observes, "but you cannot debate with somebody who has no sanity to reason with, no humanity to appeal to, and who only wants to kill, destroy and take." This stark assessment challenges us to recognize that some divides cannot be bridged through dialogue alone.

Join us for this profound conversation about faith, violence, and America's uncertain future. Then share your own thoughts and questions as we try to make sense of this pivotal moment together.

Chapters

• 0:00 America's Turning Point: Kirk's Assassination
• 4:00 Christianity That Isn't For Wimps
• 13:15 Processing The Shocking Footage
• 21:40 Spiritual Dimensions of Violence
• 31:30 Charlie's Faith Journey and Legacy
• 39:07 Evil Unleashed: The Progressive Left
• 47:10 Demonic Influences Behind Violence
• 55:10 Closing Thoughts on Dialogue and Division

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

We will make America powerful again, we will make America wealthy again, we will make America strong again, we will make America proud again, we will make America safe again and we will make America great again.

Speaker 2: 1:04

My God's Christianity is not the cowardly, whimpish Christianity that you want to make it. My Christianity is the Christianity that defeated Islamic Jihad three times. My Christianity is the Christianity that conquered the Roman Empire, christianity that conquered the Roman Empire. My Christianity is the kind of Christianity that defeated the pagan Vikings and the northern pagan tribes. My Christianity is the kind of Christianity that defeated the Ottoman Empire, that defeated the Arab invasion of the 7th century, that defeated the Arab invasion in Andalusia. Andalusian Christianity. Do you see? European, european, he sees it. He sees it. Oh no, this is where you're wrong, because the Ethiopian Christians, who follow my kind of Christianity, defeated the Muslim invasion from Somalia and Egypt. My Christianity is the one followed by the Armenians and the Georgians who defeated the Persians, the Rastrians and the Muslims. My Christianity is not for wimps. You're complaining about it because you are.

Speaker 3: 2:21

No humor tonight, man. What a 24 hours. Yeah, yeah, um, this, this, every single person I have talked to, so that, all right, we, uh, rob and I were like in the middle of a panel discussion and I got a text from taylor marsh. Charlie Kirk next shot pray. Immediately. And I'm like wait, what? I didn't know what he meant. I wasn't sure if he was just saying headshot, like somebody roasted him or something. You know what I mean. Like, yeah, you'll say that sometimes. Ooh, you know, he got a headshot.

Speaker 3: 2:59

And immediately I went to Twitter and I saw the long-distance video and I was like, oh, my heart hurt, you know. And then Rob showed me the closeup. Yep, and there was something so psychologically damaging about seeing that closeup it. I just it's, it's weighed heavy on my heart for 24 hours. My son called me last night. We had a conversation about it last night. He just he. My son's 19 and he's he loves Charlie Kirk clips. You know he's always watching Charlie Kirk. You know roast, roast the college kids and stuff. And he just called me last night. He's like dad. I just can't get that image out of my head. It's just so like unnerving and unsettling and I, and I think that closeup video is what really has had such a psychological effect on every single person that I I mean everybody just has this feeling of sickness for the past 24 hours. How about you guys?

Speaker 4: 4:00

Yeah, um, I have, uh, a little bit of knowledge in in um. You know I don't have a medical background, but I understand a lot of medical things. And as soon as I saw that shot, I knew there was no way he was going to survive.

Speaker 3: 4:18

I knew immediately, and in fact one of the things that I was pretty certain of is that he was gone within a minute of being for sure yeah, when they, when they were circulating reports that, uh, he's in critical condition, rob and I both just looked at each other like there's no, there's no chance. You meant because you see how quick the blood came out and in some ways, what was the? Location too yeah, I mean that was carotid artery.

Speaker 4: 4:43

so I mean, I mean, you see that kind of that amount of blood, and even if they had a surgical team on hand right there on the stage the minute that he was hit, the surgeon could not have saved him.

Speaker 3: 5:00

No, no, that's what Rob said. Rob said, even if they had blood on site and they could have replenished the blood, there's just when your body loses blood that rapidly, there's no way your brain can't recover from it.

Speaker 5: 5:11

There would have been no reconstructing, no, there was nothing left to reconstruct.

Speaker 3: 5:15

Yeah, exactly, there was nothing left to reconstruct and that image was just so, so hard for everybody to see and I just think it everyone kind of oh my goodness, that happened at his school. I think everyone just felt this feeling of the irony of his outfit being called Turning Point. Right, because this does seem like a turning point in the culture in the country. Everything this doesn't seem like just turning point in the culture in the country. Everything it this doesn't seem like just another event that happened. As much as I thought the video we saw last week with the ukrainian girl was the most horrific thing I had ever seen. This was probably the most I don't.

Speaker 3: 5:59

I don't remember being this like scarred from seeing something, like I wasn't expecting it to hit me that hard. And then all of a sudden it just comes up in your feed over and over and over and I just I said I have to get off Twitter, like I can't, I can't actually be on here because everybody's reposting it and I just I just couldn't see it anymore. So so we, you know, we go through that whole thing and then today I have to fly home, on 9-11, on a crystal clear day, flying into LaGuardia. I have that to deal with. Then I come home and it turns out I have like a koi pond in my backyard that me and my wife built and I have 25 fish in there. There's seven left because a raccoon ate all of my koi and I'm talking koi we've had for five years. They're like 19 years long, and normally I ate all of my and I'm talking koi we've had for five years, they're like 19 years long and I.

Speaker 4: 6:47

I don't like. Normally I'm like either fish, no, no, no koi.

Speaker 3: 6:49

Koi have personality and like I loved those stupid like every day I come home and I feed the koi like they'd see my shadow coming and they would like they'd know they're getting fed. And it was just. It was just such a hard day to come home.

Speaker 3: 7:02

Never mind, you can make a joke, rob, it's not the time. Yeah, I know. So it was funny because Rob and I were coming home and I was on the plane and I texted Rob and I go hey, do you think we should ask Hitch for another moment tonight, like he'd probably be a really good guest for this?

Speaker 4: 7:18

Before Rob could answer, michael texted me and he goes hey, you got a little extra room when you show up for me to pop on and I was like you know, man, it's just kind of, you know, seemed like it was too perfect to not put us together so well, you know, as I, as I was processing everything that was going on and looking at kind of the reactions to, to what happened, um, I mean, obviously the the investigative mind in part of me is sitting there going, okay, who, what, when, where and how, what was the motive? How was it done? Who did it? Did he have accomplices? You know, I'm I'm sitting here looking at all the details, trying to ascertain everything, but I couldn't get past thinking about Charlie, his wife and his two little daughters.

Speaker 4: 8:08

It breaks me every time you know, there's every every time I tried, yeah, Every time I tried go ahead go ahead.

Speaker 3: 8:18

I'm sorry.

Speaker 4: 8:18

Every time I tried thinking about just just reasoning my way through it and trying to just keep my rational mind going and focusing on, on investigating and doing what I do best. I just couldn't get past seeing pictures of him with his two daughters. It kills me every single time I think about it.

Speaker 3: 8:41

Yeah, I put a tweet out today, something along those lines, and I and I and I don't mean to downplay people who don't have children, because of course, anybody can empathize with it but there was just something that just struck me as like just imagining, especially when their kids are so little, like that, when you have little ones and there are three and four like I met Rob's son this weekend and there's something they're just so dependent on you and so dependent on fathers, specifically like the thought of those kids.

Speaker 3: 9:11

Melania trump put out a beautiful tweet saying along the lines of um, uh, charlie's children will grow up with photos instead of a father and they'll grow up with stories instead of memories, something along the lines of that, and it was just such a heartbreaking thing to read. Like, um, I think this, this, really it was just such a hard thing to process and I and I'm still in the morning phase and I see people are moving to the next stage of grief, which is anger, and people are like, okay, you know what happens next. But I do think we need to stay cool and collected right now and understand the moment we're in in our country and that these things are probably going to happen in succession with the snowball effect incidentally, I have to correct myself.

Speaker 4: 9:57

Somebody pointed out and and they're right a daughter and a son. I I said two daughters. I I meant, yeah, I, it was a daughter and a son. And you said two daughters. I meant, yeah, I, it was a daughter and a son. And you're. You know, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 4: 10:09

We are in a situation, we're in a very precarious balance right now, where there is a lot of anger, there is a lot of hurt, um, you're, you pointed out the uh, the recent um deaths in the opening show. You know the, the assaults, the attacks, the, the kids that were murdered at the school that you've got, the uh, the ukrainian woman that was murdered on on um on the subway, and and there's so much more. I mean, there's there. There's so much that's going on. I I am reminded of what our lord said to himself in Genesis, just prior to announcing that he was going to send a flood, and that was that the hearts of men are set on evil at all times. All they think about is doing evil. And when you look at the kinds of people that are committing these heinous crimes, these heinous acts, it's very clear that there's a demonic spirit here. There's a satanic, hellish element to this and I've been pointing this out ever since the whole Black Lives Matter thing really erupted in the summer of love in 2020. That, the horror show that we're witnessing right now, was an eruption from hell. You know what happened in 2020, and not to rehash something that everybody already knows but something changed fundamentally in this country during that summer, and I think what happened? Because everything was locked down. It was locked down from Ash Wednesday to Easter, so you had an anti-Lent.

Speaker 4: 11:50

Lent is supposed to be a time of giving things up, of not indulging, of saying you know what? I'm going to fast, I'm going to reduce my consumption of media so that I can focus and really kind of turn inwardly and look at my sins and do acts of penance and repent of my sins, so that I can focus more on my Lord, the God who saved me on the cross. That's what Lent is all about. Instead, netflix and Pornhub subscriptions went through the roof, so people were indulging instead of giving up. It was an anti-Lent. And that, of course, came to Easter, where we were still under the lockdowns. And what happened? You had empty churches. All the churches were empty. You had an empty Vatican. You had Pope Francis say mass in an empty church.

Speaker 4: 12:40

Now, what's really crucial to understand about this is that we, as catholics, when we go and receive the holy eucharist, what we're doing is we are receiving the light of christ like a lamp. We become lamps, little lamps, into the world. You know, a tabernacle is where our Lord resides in the church. Our Lady is a perpetual tabernacle because Christ is always with her. When we receive communion, we become little tabernacles, and so when we take Christ into the world after we receive Holy Communion, we bring those little lights of grace into the world with us. That didn't happen on Easter. You know the imagery of going into the church lighting the candles one by one. The church is darkened and all of a sudden it gets brightened because everybody is holding a lit candle at the Easter vigil and it all comes from the fire that's lit outside the church. Okay, that's all. At the Easter vigil. We have this from the the, the fire that's lit outside the church. Okay, that's all. At the Easter vigil we have this light that comes into the church and from the church that light goes out into the world. That didn't happen on Easter because nobody was receiving communion. And at the end of it.

Speaker 4: 13:50

What happened on Pentecost? That's when everything was. It was overturned, you know, suddenly people could go back out into public and you were allowed to do things, and so on Pentecost, what's supposed to happen is the light of the Holy Ghost descends from the heavens upon us like flames, and it's the light that does. It is the flame that does not consume, because it's the same flame that we saw in the burning bush. It did not consume the leaves, but here, during that anti-pentecost, you had a different kind of flame that welled up from below, the kind of flame that does consume, the kind of flame that is not of illumination but of revolution. And from that point forward, everything changed. Everything's been different ever since. So I think, when we start to look at what happened, you know that and and that was right about the time that charlie kirk was really kind of grinding the gears, he was really getting things going. From that point forward, I think turning point came from around that time period.

Speaker 4: 14:57

So Charlie Kirk, he, he was a light into the world. In fact, a lot of people, they, they, you know a lot of Catholics, they understand. Okay, he was a Protestant, but let me tell you something he was going to mass with his wife. His math would actually. His wife would actually, uh, left the faith. She was not practicing her Catholic faith. She was returning, she was coming back into the faith. There are pictures of the two of them going to Mass. Charlie was changing his mind on certain aspects of the Catholic faith. He was telling Protestants they got it wrong on Mary. And I'm also getting reports that Charlie had recently had his marriage consecrated in the Catholic Church, convalidated right.

Speaker 4: 15:41

Yes, and that he had been going to adoration. What Protestant does that?

Speaker 5: 15:47

Yeah, and I got a DM from someone who says that they are close with the priest who was privately working.

Speaker 3: 15:56

Charlie, charlie through rcia so there's a good chance. Yeah, let me ask you something. So someone that's going through that like is that, is that what we would say baptism of desire? Right, like that's, that's what we would consider about, like somebody who's who's seeking it, but they just haven't completed the the because he's baptized already. He was already baptized. Yeah, I understand that.

Speaker 4: 16:19

No baptism, but A confirmation of desire. Well, yeah, if he's already going through RCIA, he's committed himself to already going under the auspices of Rome, which means he was already Catholic. I mean, you don't Just because, look, if you're baptized you're a Christian period. That's, that's the way it works, going through RCIA, coming from a Protestant background into a Catholic, into the Catholic fold. Once you make that commitment to go through RCIA and you've made that ascent of of conversion, even without having going through the formalities of it, you're already in the faith yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3: 17:03

Now the um, the thing is like. I you know, I know everybody says like I didn't agree with everything.

Speaker 3: 17:09

Charlie said yes, of course, but um, there was something about charlie sometimes, so it's like a silly thing to have to say, but, yeah, obviously, like I don't agree with everything. Michael thinks um, but the um, there was something genuine about charlie. That was like he just seemed. He just seemed genuine and and what he was doing and he just seemed like a good man. And every single story you heard from anybody who knew him in in their real life just they're heartbroken, like the people who actually knew him are heartbroken because he was. He was a genuinely good man, a good Christian, and it's just one of those things where I think everybody that's normal because you're seeing the reaction from people on the other side and it's just beyond evil and anybody that's normal is looking at this and the first thing they think is those poor children like his wife and children were at the event when this happened and it's just, you know those kids are gonna have to wake, wake, like one day they're going to see that video and I don't know. I mean the whole thing is just really, really. I think it's, I think it's just, I think it's galvanized the nation where something's going to change at this point, and the conversation around right and left, I think, is silly. At this point too, we're dealing with a group of people who are just completely out of their minds. This isn't normal left versus right discourse right discourse.

Speaker 3: 18:38

I'm also not even sure what stories to believe from the media about what they're like, about this being a a trans shooter, things like that. I don't know what to believe. Everything is just so such fog right now. Everything is so fog of war at this point that it's like they're going to feed you stories to get you mad at a certain person to help their narrative. But I just don't. I'm so cynical at this point. I don't trust anything they tell us anymore. And I don't know because you see it's a shot from 200 yards away. Look pretty pretty much like it had a precision hit then. But then I'll hear somebody like Rob say it wasn't. I don't. I don't know what to believe on this.

Speaker 5: 19:18

I'm not a I'm not a sniper shot so and you wouldn't?

Speaker 4: 19:19

give me four hours with you and you can make that shot. Yep, yeah, a 200 yard shot with a scope. Uh, which 30-06? With 30-06, it's, it's, and, and you're talking about. You're not trying to hit a small bullseye like this, you're trying to hit a mass you know, getting center mass you're?

Speaker 5: 19:34

they're probably actually aiming for his chest, yeah so a rifle like that it'll look to be a pretty inexpensive 30-06 they usually have like an accuracy and like an inherent accuracy of a gun is measured in what's called minutes of angle, moa and what that is. It basically at 100 yards, one minute of angle is equal to one inch. So it means that even if that gun doesn't move and fires at the exact same spot five times in a row, there's going to be a one-inch spot, you know a one-inch circle that it could land in right. Yeah, a cheap gun, a cheap, you know bolt-action gun like that you're looking two, three, maybe, worst case, four MOA. So let's say it's a two MOA gun at 200 yards.

Speaker 5: 20:29

A two MOA gun means it's going to be two inches at 100. It's four inches at 200 then it's four inches 200 then. And that, if you slow down the video, that bullet actually strikes the upper part of an armor plate that he was wearing and it looks like. Obviously I don't know for sure, but from the way it ricocheted it looked like it was a steel. You think he had a bulletproof vest on or something he most definitely did Really yeah so you see it hit here and then it ricochets up into his neck.

Speaker 3: 21:01

Oh really, Wow, I didn't know that.

Speaker 5: 21:03

If it hit here and it was a 2-MOE gun at 200 yards, that's a 4-inch circle he probably was aiming center mass, right at his heart, which even a low-power scope at 200 yards you see very clearly. So it just means that a cheap bolt gun yeah, you know that bullet landed in that four inch circle which was in the upper part and if it was? A cheap steel steel armor plate.

Speaker 3: 21:30

Without the anti-spawing technology it ricocheted right up into his neck the crazy part is people talking about gun control like this was a bolt action rifle, like there's no gun laws that they'd ever create that are going to prevent somebody from getting a rifle like that every household outside of your big cities has at least one gun.

Speaker 5: 21:48

Exactly like, exactly like this isn't.

Speaker 3: 21:50

It wasn't an ar, wasn't a handgun, this is a rifle, is a hunting rifle, essentially. So there's like the people trying to make this about gun laws. It's just such a silly thing and this shouldn't be about that anyway. It's. It's just a cruel evil act that was committed. Now we don't know who committed it. I just know I don't trust anything I get from the news or the government at this point, like I just don't believe anything they say. So I don't know. Michael, you posted a statement by Bishop Burbage Bishop Michael Burbage, that you thought was pretty good, which is good to see from a bishop, right, like, typically they run with the gun violence thing, but this bishop seems to actually have his finger on the pulse of what's going on.

Speaker 3: 22:38

So, as americans, we are witnesses in just the past few weeks to a vicious pattern of political and social disorder at annunciation catholic parish in minnesota, minneapolis the killings of harper and fletcher, two innocent children. In charlotte, the murder of the ukrainian refugee irina zarutska, and now political assassination of charlie k, known for his commitment to civil and rational discourse. We entrust each of these victims to God, our Heavenly Father and author of every human life, and His Son, jesus Christ, the reason for our supernatural hope. What we see unfolding in our nation is a vicious pattern of hatred rooted in the rejection of God, of the dignity of the human person and the sanctity of the family. We can eradicate these ills only through a firm reliance on God, through a deeper devotion to Christ and the gospel, through a sincere love for persons reflected in law and through a renewed commitment to justice and public order. We're living through a perilous moment. Our challenge is not only one of partisan disagreement, law and policy, but in in a deeper way, our challenge is to uphold the central goods of american political life, of faith, of families and of national commitment to live together in harmony as brothers and sisters.

Speaker 3: 23:45

Nothing about gun violence, nothing political, just. We are living through something right now where this is good verse evil and our culture and our society is just ripping apart at the seams and it's so much to do with the evil that has been unleashed on the world and this has a very big part to do with the church. I'm sorry, like I'm not going to say it's back into, but it's kind of the the whole malaise of the hierarchy in general not preaching about sin, not talking to people about the reality of hell that has just crept into the entire world, it seems, and once the church stops actually preaching the truth, we've just left these souls to live in this filth and man. Evil just seems like it's growing rapidly at this point and it just seems unstoppable, and the things that are coming down the pike don't seem like they're going to be better.

Speaker 3: 24:43

Everybody looking for a political solution. Man, I don't think I've ever been more blackpilled on politics. At this point, there's no politician you're voting in to fix this, nothing. It is a return to Christ or we are going to witness the collapse of the entire civilization that we know so I I will.

Speaker 4: 25:01

I will say this it's both end. Um, it's both end because, in in the one sense, we we've gotten to the point where we can't rely on our political leaders to to do what they're supposed to do. We can't rely on our law enforcement communities to maintain order in a disordered society. You just can't. So there is that spiritual element that must be engaged. We've got to do penance. Our lady said that if you don't do penance, if you don't do the first five Saturdays, if you don't wear your brown scapular, if you don't pray the rosary daily, if you don't engage in the practice of the faith, as she requested, well then the consequences are going to be worldwide spread of communism. Yeah, okay, that's what we're up against. So there is that element. We have to engage the spiritual to. We have to engage the spiritual. However, I will say that we also have to push for certain things within civil society to get a grip on the rampant insanity that has taken hold of every facet of our, of our culture. And I don't want to read to you what I posted on on um. Um, cause I, I wrote this. I was as soon as Charlie died, uh, actually, as soon as he was shot, I went and I grabbed a rosary. I immediately started praying my rosary and I just went for a walk and when I got back, you know, I was hearing reports that he was already dead but, um, nothing official was coming out. It didn't come out for several hours later, but it was. It was pretty clear to me that there, that he just wasn't going to survive, um, so I was ruminating on things, I was just thinking about it, I was, and I was looking at some of the reactions and some of the things that people were saying were starting to irritate me, because they were saying well, we've got to make sure that we're not. You know, this is the problem on both sides. There's just too much, too much harsh rhetoric. People are just saying mean things because that's what's going to cause problems. And it's like look, stop, stop, because all of the violence is coming from one side. And as I was thinking about it, I just started typing. I pulled out my phone. I was walking around my backyard, I just started typing. I'm going to read to you what I wrote, because I posted it on X the other day. I said the time has come.

Speaker 4: 27:29

There can be no civil discourse with the progressive left. Their entire position is built on a foundation of envy, and the only language they speak is rage, and the outcome will only ever be violence and death. The progressive left can't stand to see others succeed, so they demand to take from those who do. The progressive left hates the fact that others have good and beautiful things, so they tear down whatever they can. The progressive left despises innocence, so they seek to poison the minds and souls of children. The progressive left loathes God and the faith he gave us, so they do whatever they can to twist and suppress it. The progressive left abhors families, so they push to break them up. The progressive left has nothing but derision for true patriotism, so they foment revolution. There is nothing the progressive left won't do to get what it wants or to destroy what it can't have, and they will burn down their own homes just to spite anyone who crosses them.

Speaker 4: 28:37

The progressive left is a criminal, terrorist Marxist movement and it is time that the ideologies behind it be made illegal. The ideology of Sodom, meaning anything tantamount to homosexuality, transgenderism, queer or other, must be made illegal. The ideology of Moloch, meaning the push for abortion, euthanasia, human sterility, must be made illegal. The ideology of Marx and Alinsky, meaning the envious socialism that demands tax structures to redistribute wealth, must be made illegal. All that is associated with the progressive left is filled with satanic hatred and rage, and it must be purged from our country if our civilization is to survive. So what I'm saying here is that you can't dialogue with somebody who thinks that the only way to win an argument is for you to die, and that's exactly what the progressive while I agree with every single thing you said there, this is not a simple question of of the progressive left, and it's not there is.

Speaker 3: 29:48

There is something so dark and evil afoot here. So when you look at the ukrainian girl, that wasn't a political thing. That guy is just demonically there was a member of the progressive left. I'm sure, I'm sure, but this is so much more than just liberal Republican.

Speaker 4: 30:04

It's just so much deeper than that.

Speaker 3: 30:06

There is such a yeah, but I don't. I'm not disagreeing with you at all.

Speaker 4: 30:10

I just let me explain why, though because philosophy matters. Philosophy matters. Everything about the progressive left is predicated on envy, everything. So what they do is they turn to people who are oppressed or underpaid, or they have an ideology that's slightly different, or they want to have license to commit certain kinds of sins, and so what they do is they go to those people and they say you know what? That person gets away with this? Yeah, that person has that, or, and they, they put the, they plant those seeds of envy in those people, and that envy grows like an evil weed in the mind. Yeah, and so that, what does it do?

Speaker 3: 30:52

it fuels rage, necessarily what do you guys think of this? Because, uh, austin said, well, I, I don't know what he means by 85, I'm not sure what he means, I don't know if he's just, maybe he thinks we're traditional I'm not really sure, but we are traditional. Um, I disagree, yeah, obviously, but I disagree with 85 of what you guys say regarding theology. But simply, now it is, it is this question us or them? So, um, they might be protestant, they could be protestant, right, that's, that's absolutely true. So, um, yeah, there is something. Um, you know, we just watched, we just watched what happened in minneapolis. Those, um, catholic school children. We just saw charlie kirk go through this. Charlie kirk was a well-known Protestant, these kids were Catholic. Like, there is a level where, when, when, what is the Peter Kreeft quote? Something about, like, when brothers are, when somebody is at war, brother, like are fighting brothers reconcile. When, when there's, you know, when there's an outside problem by fighting brothers reconcile.

Speaker 3: 31:55

I don't know the exact quote but when there's an outside problem fighting brothers reconcile I don't know the exact quote. When there's a maniac at the door, fighting brothers will reconcile. Yeah, and there's a degree to which it's not just Catholicism they're going after. They are going after anybody who professes Jesus Christ, and I do think that there's. I'm not saying we should do a ecumenical outreach, but there is a degree to which it is us versus them, the people who don't have any any of the light of Christ in their lives, versus people who actually have some kind of a moral compass because they have Jesus Christ in their lives. Yeah, yeah, like anyone who even follows the natural law, they hate right Feuding brothers reconcile when there's an enemy at the gate. Thank you, rob. I'm rob. Yeah, you know, um, um, yeah, and charlie kirk was such a pivotal, uh aspect of getting elected.

Speaker 4: 32:53

Why is charlie kirk the target?

Speaker 4: 32:54

because charlie kirk kirk was talking about the natural law yeah because he was arguing from points from there's something called uh, it's, it's an indisputable truth, it's a a self-evident truth. If I say this is my finger, it's a self-evident truth, I don't have to prove it to you, I don't have to go through a large logical argument to prove it to you. It's self-evident. I can say this is my finger and it's a self-defining statement, so there is no steps to proving it. Charlie Kirk was taking self-evident truths and and and explaining self-evident truths to people who couldn't embrace a self-evident reason.

Speaker 3: 33:37

I have no rational mind.

Speaker 4: 33:38

Right. There's no rational argument. They rejected their own biology, which means they did violence to their own nature. And if you do violence to nature, what you're doing is creating such a wound, such a visceral wound in the self that it has to have a violent explosion. It's like splitting the atom. You've done violence to violent explosion. It's. It's like splitting the atom. You've done violence to the nature of an atom. If you split the atom, well, what do you think is going to happen psychologically and interiorly and spiritually to somebody if you split them from their biological reality? It's. It's going to be an explosive fourth force greater than the atom bomb well, to also like reiterate what you were saying, Rob.

Speaker 3: 34:19

why don't you bring up the Ilhan Omar clip Like this is because she's not even like one of the psychos over on TikTok who are like cheering on Charlie's.

Speaker 5: 34:31

She is a psycho she is she's on?

Speaker 3: 34:33

She's on. Who is she talking to? I don't know who that guy is, I forget, like Hassan Piker or something she's talking to, I think. But just look at how they rationalize this. It's insane that they will actually say he brought this upon himself because of things he said. To Michael's point all he did was say things that are just naturally evident for anybody with a rational mind. They consider this bringing this upon himself. Oh, mehdi Hassan, I thought it was Hassan Faker. They're all the same man, Same difference. Pop that video up.

Speaker 6: 35:16

What I do know for sure is that Charlie was someone who once said guns save lives after a school shooting. Charlie was someone who was willing to debate and downplay the death of George Floyd in the hands of Minneapolis police. I think he called him a scumbag Right have no regard to downplay slavery and what black people have gone through in this country by saying Juneteenth should never exist. And I think you know there are a lot of people who are out there talking about him, just wanting to have a civil debate. A complete rewriting of history.

Speaker 6: 36:03

Yeah, there is nothing more messed up, you know than to completely pretend that you know. Uh, then then to completely pretend that you know, his words and actions, um have not been recorded and and and in existence um for for the last decade or so yeah, you can turn this off.

Speaker 3: 36:22

I mean, you guys, you guys get the point. It's like this is what michael's talking about. Like these people, they don't see a father who lost his life. They see someone who goes against their ideology, brought this upon themselves because the things Charlie said are so bad that he deserved it. Like that's essentially what they're saying.

Speaker 4: 36:44

It's beyond reprehensible yeah, it's, it's, it's. It's extremely upsetting and infuriating to see the kinds of visceral reactions that people are having, um, and, and almost the celebratory and and self-laudatory tones that they're taking. It's, it's, uh, it's disgusting, but it's also part and parcel for that entire movement. These people trade in Schadenfreude. They live in in an well, it's, it's, it's a prideful disdain for anything good, true and beautiful.

Speaker 4: 37:23

And Charlie he was. He was not an aggressive or a um or an imposing or an aggressive or a um or an imposing or or even a, a snarky figure. He, he didn't use snark or sarcasm at all. He spoke truth in charity. He was all always only loving to the people. That I mean. If, even when people were getting in his face and yelling at him and cutting him off and saying terrible things to him, he responded with the kindest and most charitable things I'd ever heard from a debate, from somebody debating these matters, you know, and and he would have been justified to say something nasty or awful back to them, he would have been justified and he never did. And and I I mean I really admire him, for I think that it's incredibly laudable and it was a virtue and what he was expressing was true Christian charity.

Speaker 5: 38:21

Do you guys know? If this is true, Hold on. Today Lofton has been attacking Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 3: 38:30

Oh, I hope not. I mean, I don't know. I did see people like. I mean, lofton is Whatever, he might be right on the Israel question, but I don't care, that's not. And Charlie was coming around on that. Yeah, charlie was coming around. On that, anthony and Rob should start considering wearing vests. It's interesting because like I'm not big into suits, but not even that like we're he's in a charlie kirk is a different stratosphere, right, but you didn't make a decision today which one?

Speaker 3: 39:07

oh okay, like the, he's in a totally different realm than us, right, but he's in the same field as us in some way. And rob, rob made the point. Like anthony, you never know what loony you're gonna trigger with your tweets. Even like that's the point we're at and in in time right now, where you could because I do provoke people charlie didn't seem to do. That is the point Michael was making.

Speaker 3: 39:31

Charlie did seem to try and go out in a gesture of goodwill and have conversations about these things. He changed tons of people's minds, especially young people. He got so many people to change their minds. No-transcript college campus anymore because everybody's at rest. And that's part of what they were trying to accomplish with this is terrorize everybody from even engaging on college campuses, where the minds are the most malleable to hear the truth. Because kids, when they're at that age group, that's when you actually want to confront them, which is why the leftists are always trying to take over schools. So what? What they like, what charlie was doing, even with stephen crowder did with the change your mind stuff, all of that stuff had such a huge effect on the culture. It's what got gen z men to switch from being liberal to conservative, I think, and I think part of whatever this whole thing was is an attempt to scare people off from continuing on that road and helping young men come out of the rut of leftism that they grew up on in public schools.

Speaker 4: 41:03

Yeah, um, I think that, uh, as, as we look at the situation, we start considering what people are saying and the kinds of anger that was directed at Charlie Kirk and still continues to be directed at him. It was, it was an irrational anger and what they were angry about is the fact that he was causing them pain, because the truth, it's the truth. If you think of a lie as a broken bone, okay, let's say every lie you tell breaks a bone in your body, and when you have to double down on a lie or you make the lie even worse, you're bending yourself even out of into a worse shape. You're harming yourself in ways that you can't even imagine. Now, imagine that the remedy for that lie is the truth, and the truth's told in charity.

Speaker 4: 41:58

Not not just a nasty truth and a flippant truth, but you're telling the truth, you're explaining the truth and what? What you're doing is you're resetting that wound, you're taking that bone and you're putting it back into its proper place. And what the? What the patient is doing is the? The patient is screaming ouch and he's pointing a finger at you, saying you hurt me, you caused me pain, and that's where that visceral reaction towards charlie kirk is coming from. They are upset that he is setting their pain back into the forefront of their mind. And now they're. They're blaming him for the pain that they're in, when what he was doing was actually helping to heal them.

Speaker 3: 42:38

You want to know what's interesting, man, I saw two things today. Rob texted me, we texted our group chat and he said I feel kind of awful about some of the things we criticized Charlie for in the past, right, but now we me, like the review we did of his talk with knolls, like I don't even remember what I said but it wasn't charitable, at least right.

Speaker 3: 43:01

So so yeah, you, you, you had felt some guilt about that, and I saw a lot of the groipers coming out today and saying as much like I saw one kid say. I feel awful about the things they said about charlie.

Speaker 5: 43:14

Today I realized I'm an awful person, right did you see a few under that tweet though? No the you know the account, awesome jew. Yeah. They replied with like something like I realized that too, I'm gonna work to be uh better or something. Then, uh, they're like are you going to be less anti-semitic now?

Speaker 4: 43:36

that person goes no more actually they tried for a tweet.

Speaker 3: 43:43

But there's an interesting thing that's actually happening in in this, in that somebody, um, somebody who was very critical of Charlie, then sees this happen and it's almost like a shock to their conscience, right. And there's a moment of reflection and all of a sudden they realized, oh man, I like, I like, I need to go to the confession, confessional, right. Sometimes events like this, as awful as they are and I'm not saying this is a silver lining, even but they can reveal our own hearts in some ways, right, I watched secular libertarian Dave Smith's take on this and Charlotte and he said an almost just as Catholic, as this show talked about satanic people. Normies are starting to wake up, yeah, I think so. Dave's not an atheist. Dave has come around to believing in God.

Speaker 3: 44:29

I know that I'd like to get him on one day. He's just so hard to get him. But, like even him, he was kind of he's buddies with Charlie, right, and Dave is sometimes at these public events, so for him to see something like this happen to his friend, he has to be thinking, man, this could have just as easily have happened to me, like this could just as easily have happened to any one of the people in the public sphere that are going to these, you know, large scale events. This guy was hidden on a roof 200 yards away and fired the shadow off. I don't care how good your security is, sometimes they're going to miss something like that, right, but the the?

Speaker 4: 45:04

and just to point, just to point to that out, you know a lot of people are saying, oh, maybe this was an inside job, maybe they're. You know, you saw the hand signals from the guy with a white hat and the hand signals from the guy in the black shirt and look, stop, stop. Charlie kirk was not a politician. He didn't have a secret service detail. He didn't have, uh, heavy duty personal guard protection. He had, yeah, he had a bodyguard and and the guy in the black shirt, I'm pretty sure, was one of his bodyguards. I don't think he was giving hand signals to to a shooter.

Speaker 4: 45:36

But, you know, instead of of trying to look for the conspiracy theory which is very easy to do, especially given our day and age, but instead of giving into conspiracy theories, let's just look at the facts and be very matter fact about it. There was a shooter. That shooter was on a roof. There was not a security detail. That was going around sweeping every single nook and cranny of that particular campus to try and find different angles by which somebody could get on a roof and fire a shot. That just wasn't going to happen. That's not the kind of personality that Charlie Kirk was. He wasn't a politician. He wasn't even an A-list actor or something like that, who does hire big security teams to do stuff like this. He was a political commentator and activist, and we have to put this into perspective and say this is not a situation where we would look for inside jobs and security details that help this happen. That that's not. That's not this yeah, no.

Speaker 3: 46:34

Well, first of all, nobody's gonna be counted to silence. Everybody's still gonna speak. But you will re-examine how you go about doing public events, I don't care what anybody says. Like all these guys who do these public events are going to re-evaluate their security, their security, they just ben shapiro just canceled a bunch of his, his uh yeah, speaking and he said he's going to do them again.

Speaker 3: 46:54

But it's just right. You have to reevaluate how you do security in these things, the um, the. The other thing is, uh, with, with, when it comes to, like, seeing the conspiracy, I'm, I'm going to tell you I, I don't know what this was. I'm probably not going to trust what they tell me it was. I don't know what it is. It's like I'm not, I'm not going to say it's facade. You know what I mean, but I also just don't. I just don't trust anything and I don't know if there is some grand scale. I don't know what, the. I don't know what the play would be in in this regard, other than to rile up sectarian violence, right, just other than to just cause more, to escalate the tensions in our country, to cause more mayhem with it, because the best way to conquer someone is to divide, like a divide and conquer strategy works very well when you're looking to take down a nation.

Speaker 5: 47:48

Yeah, that's canceled that for sure. Now, guys, yeah, that's canceled that for sure now guys?

Speaker 3: 47:52

um, yeah, I I did like seeing that some people were starting to do a little self-reflection and maybe we have to think about how we talk about people in general online, like. Like, maybe we have to reevaluate how we, how we have any conversations, because, man, people are nuts these days. What did taffy say? Uh, there was an individual after the shooting with his pants down, reportedly yelling I'd do it again which created a distraction and enabled the shooter to evade police. Fact that issue. Yeah, there's a lot of strange things. This doesn't doesn't necessarily mean like this, could the lone gunman man. It had an eerily similar vibe to the trump thing, sure?

Speaker 4: 48:31

and it just did. Let's take that for just a second. I want to explain when, when we start looking at this, we can't just look at it in um, in one or two dimensional space, we have to look at it in four dimensional space. Okay, there is an element to this that is spiritual and we don't know how much of this is a coordinated human activity. Or is there something of a higher nature going on here that is taking care of things behind the scenes? And I want to tell you a little story that kind of puts this into perspective. I'll tell you two stories, actually One my former boss when I was at American Life League.

Speaker 4: 49:12

His name was Jim Sedlak. Please pray for him. He died of a heart attack a number of years ago. Jim was the founder of Stop Planned Parenthood. He was the number one enemy to Planned Parenthood and he would annually go to Planned Parenthood's major conventions, wherever they were held. He would go there and he would just hang out in the lobby and be a presence. You know people would sneer at him and stuff like that, but he'd pick up pamphlets and stuff like that and just kind of go about business that way. Well, he told me about this one Planned Parenthood convention that he went to. He said that as he was going into the hotel room there was a group of people that were kind of gathered in a circle and they were all just kind of chanting this weird chant and he thought it was really odd. He got a weird sense about them and he went up to his hotel room and he looked down and he saw them all in a circle and they were rising up. They were doing this chant, them all in a circle, and they were rising up. They were doing this chant, and then they let out a yell and when they did the chant was over. Now he said there were you know 100, maybe 200 people just kind of milling about in the courtyard, just wherever near nearby the hotel. But as soon as they finished their chant, all of a sudden everybody in that area went nuts, they went absolutely bonkers and they started rioting, tossing things over. They just went crazy.

Speaker 4: 50:34

There's a spiritual element to this. There's another story I'll tell you. One of my college professors was driving home from adoration one evening and he came to a four way stop. This is at like two in the morning. There's no one on the road to a four-way stop. This is at like two in the morning. There's no one on the road. He comes to a stop and he's just continuing to pray on his way back from adoration. He's just praying mentally. And as he's at this four-way stop, another car approaches and it's at the four-way stop and they're facing each other. They're waiting for the lights to turn green and before the light turns green, green, the window of the other car rolls down and he just yells right in. My college professor shut up, shut up. How would they know that he was praying? How would they know he was even speaking? So you start looking at situations. This guy who pulled his pants down said I'd do it again. I'd do it again. We don't know if there is a demonic influence involved in this. So rather than taking a speculating circumstances.

Speaker 4: 51:41

We have to look through this and say the only way that we correlation is not causation, so you have to wait for the evidence to come in to say that there was a connection.

Speaker 3: 51:55

Yeah, yeah, look, there's a. I mean any. Anybody who's prayed at abortion clinics will tell you how crazy people get whenever they're faced with Christ. I mean, they just these people are demonically possessed or oppressed and, whether they recognize it or not, that's a visceral reaction that there was. There's even, I think there was a video of them doing a Eucharistic procession through New York and, like you'd have, a lot of people would drop to their knees and make the sign of the cross and then some people would just react vilely. You know they, just being around the Eucharist would make them, you know, completely lose control. Things like that. Um, I, I think I want to go over to locals and I think we're going to open up the the stream yard again and allow people to come on. Michael, you all right with hearing from some of the some of the listeners? And, yeah, sure.

Speaker 4: 52:39

One more thing that I want to say before our our YouTube audience has to go go to bed. I also wrote this on social media because I was talking about the problem of look, charlie kirk was all into the discourse, he was all into the dialogue, he wanted to have that conversation. He was helping people one-on-one and this is absolutely essential. But there comes a point where you have to look at the people of a particular philosophical outlook and you realize that there is no dialogue to be had. And what I wrote is this I said debate and discourse require people of goodwill, but you cannot debate with somebody who has no sanity to reason, with no humanity to appeal to, and who only wants to kill, destroy and take. That is the radical left and that is what we're up against agreed um somebody's saying this is too important.

Speaker 3: 53:36

Keep it on youtube. No, it's too important. Go pay for a local subscription.

Speaker 5: 53:40

Tired of you guys not paying also, if we keep it on youtube, there's a better chance we're going to get someone to just wants to troll. We're not going to do that, so maybe we'll post it in a day or two on youtube so people can watch.

Speaker 3: 53:52

But no, you have to be a locals member no, what I would like to do is like, especially some of you younger guys, if you guys you know if this affected you in a certain way, you want to share it. I know I know a lot of people just kind of want to just express their sorrow, things like that. If you guys have any questions, if you guys want to come on and ask advice, we've got Michael on the block tonight so Michael can maybe help some guys out if they have any advice they need anything like that. But I do kind of I like bringing the local supporters on and giving them a chance to come and meet their pals and hear from them a little bit. So I think we might start doing that a little more often. We're not going to just do like full advice shows, but maybe when we go over to locals we'll start letting you guys pop on. So if you guys aren't local subscribers, please join us over there.

Speaker 5: 54:36

That is where we have all the fun and if you're in the live chat now, I pinned the direct link to the local show in the live chat, so so um, michael, anything to promote.

Speaker 4: 54:46

You got anything coming up or you have anything you want to yes, um, we've been going after the association of us catholic priests big time, especially since we put out the video showing uh the the that there were priests at that conference. They were talking about sexual self-abuse um, you, you know what I mean by that I'm using a euphemism and they were calling it a prayer very blasphemously. It was just awful. Well, we know that the US Conference of Catholic Bishops is partnering with the AUSCP on a particular project. We have a report on that coming out tonight. My researcher is putting together the article now. We're going to be sending a press release on it tomorrow morning. That report will be coming out tomorrow morning and we'll be circulating it around as much as we can. On top of that, I have additional information from the auscp's meeting in june that ties directly into all of this trans insanity that we've been dealing with for the last couple of years.

Speaker 3: 55:51

Yeah, and we and we need our hierarchy to actually start addressing this issue for what it is Like. I'm so tired of this James Martin approach to this issue. The only way to actually get them to address it is for people like Michael to keep putting this public pressure on them. So thank you for everything you do, Michael. All right, guys, we're going to wrap this up.

Speaker 5: 56:13

We're going to head them. So thank you for everything you do, michael. All right, guys, we're gonna wrap this up. We're gonna head over. Uh, you need to get michael back on soon for a non-sad episode so you guys can use the funny intro that we have not been able to use twice.

Speaker 3: 56:19

Now we will play it on locals. How about that no? Man, okay, all right it's all right, you guys gotta wait. Yeah, it's interesting because you came off of the minneapolis shooting as well, so the last two episodes you came on. We couldn't do an intro, a funny intro video, but I mean we have Michael on all the time. He's like our best friend, so we'll get him on again soon, don't worry guys. Um, all right, we'll see you guys on the other side, rob, take us out, brother uh oh wait, oh wait.

Speaker 2: 57:04

so Thank you.