Head on a Swivel - Situational Awareness 101 - Guns 'N Rosaries Ep. 3

The tragic case of Iryna Sarutska, a Ukrainian woman brutally attacked on public transportation while absorbed in her phone, serves as a stark reminder of why situational awareness matters more than ever. In this eye-opening episode, we dive deep into the forgotten art of environmental vigilance – a skill that could mean the difference between life and death.

The modern world has trained us to keep our heads down, eyes locked on screens, hoping to remain invisible in public spaces. But this disconnection from our surroundings has created a society of potential victims. We explore the OODA loop (Observe, Orient, Decide, Act), a powerful framework developed by military strategist John Boyd that can transform your ability to perceive threats before they materialize.

From practical strategies for navigating public spaces to understanding the psychology of violence, we cover essential skills everyone should develop. Learn about the color code system of awareness, how to identify pre-attack indicators, and why most people freeze during violent encounters. We share insights from experts like Varg Freeborn and former military personnel on developing the mindset needed to protect yourself and loved ones.

For those who carry firearms for protection, we discuss optimal carry positions, holster selection, and the importance of proper training. But situational awareness extends far beyond self-defense – it's about cultivating a heightened state of presence that enriches every aspect of life while keeping you safer.

Whether you're concerned about personal safety, protecting your family, or simply becoming more present in a distraction-filled world, this episode provides actionable wisdom for navigating today's unpredictable environment. Join us to reclaim the ancient human skill of awareness and develop the vigilant mind that could save your life.

Chapters

• 0:00 Introductory Banter and Channel Updates
• 20:50 Understanding Situational Awareness
• 31:56 The OODA Loop and Mindset Training
• 45:40 The Ariana Case and Real-World Examples
• 1:02:39 Firearm Carry Methods and Holsters
• 1:22:18 Body Armor and Self-Defense Options
• 1:42:03 Questions and Practical Advice
• 2:01:32 Upcoming Shows and Final Thoughts

Transcript

Speaker 2: 0:00

The middle children of history, man, no purpose of place, you have no great war, no great depression.

Speaker 3: 0:11

I'm great was the spiritual war with the way people are talking about migration and all these other things. And you know, of course racism is always in your face and personally I think you know it's kind of on a spectrum. You know I consider it to be situationally aware. You know like your situation. You migrated here from Mexico and you know you've been living your life since. I'm from Vietnam.

Speaker 2: 1:10

I guess I'm not as situationally aware, as I thought I've never heard you speak before what is going on.

Speaker 4: 1:16

Hold on there we go, you like it's all small, no.

Speaker 4: 1:22

Well, yes, but have y'all ever seen Kingpix Media before? He's hilarious. I'm going to have to follow him. That was funny. Yeah, he's really funny. So he was a I think he was a cook in the army and so now he's got out and he does all these videos and he acts like he owns a training company, combat studies group, something. He changes the name all the time but, uh, he has a shirt that just just says wins chow, because that's like when you're in boot or you're like right after boot and you're in your school, that's the only thing you worry about. Wins male, wins chow. It's a. It's a great challenge. He's hilarious. Sorry, we're a little late. My uh, my internet was a little wonky. Uh, and yes, in. In fact, we are out of reconstruction now. Just so you know, we have Wi-Fi and running Wi-Fi.

Speaker 2: 2:13

That's a perfect time for his Wi-Fi to go down again. You cut out right as you said that.

Speaker 4: 2:20

It's horrible. So my internet, like I have a, so I have fiber to the house, yeah, and then I have mesh from there and it's kind's horrible. So my internet, like I have, so I have fiber to the house, yeah, and then I have mesh from there and it's kind of like a daisy chain. Where I'm at now, I'm at the farthest part of my property, in my shop, and so sometimes the internet gets a little crazy out here, but it's been the more you keep avoiding babylon, separated from your normal life, the better yeah, my you know my, uh, my son he goes.

Speaker 4: 2:48

Are you going on that, avoiding baby lawn again?

Speaker 2: 2:51

oh, no baby um, it's from king pics media on instagram. King p-i-x media he's good.

Speaker 4: 3:05

Another good one is a veteran, with a sign that that guy's hilarious too. You'll see some stuff on there from from him occasionally.

Speaker 2: 3:15

As we keep going, I'm gonna send y'all all the really inappropriate videos for y'all to watch all the, all the videos we try to save you from watching by doing the show we're just going to feed we're just going to you, yeah, yeah, we're just going to immerse you directly into them.

Speaker 4: 3:34

Avoided baby loan. Avoiding baby loan.

Speaker 2: 3:39

Um, the only thing I want to bring up before we get into the meat of the show is, as of this morning, we are three sales away from hitting 100 sales on our Protect Catholic Kids shirt that we came up with to help support the parish and victims and families of the Annunciation school shooting. Uh, victims and families of the enunciation um school shooting. Uh, we were only like $20 away from hitting a thousand dollars that will be donated. So all the proceeds from the sale of these shirts will go directly, uh, directly to the, the parish and the families. And, uh, I just got the shirts that I ordered for my kids and so, um, so they're gonna be rocking that and I was actually wearing wearing one of mine this.

Speaker 2: 4:32

Uh, it was on saturday when we um, where we live, we have to drive an hour to to do anything shop, get haircuts, anything so we, we I took the boys to get haircuts and we went out to breakfast afterwards and the cashier, who was probably a late teenage girl, saw the shirt and loved it and asked where to get it. So that was pretty cool to see actually.

Speaker 4: 4:56

Cool, it's almost $1,000. You have to do it like $10 per shirt, right?

Speaker 2: 5:01

It depends on the shirt. Like the kid shirts, there's only like six bucks of of profit on those that are going to be donated, but on the adult shirts about ten dollars of the price of that shirt will go directly to the the victims, and then the rest is just the cost of producing the shirt how is this uh vendor been for y'all as compared to the last one?

Speaker 2: 5:24

So we switched to this almost immediately. Before doing this, we had only sold a few orders before trying to roll this out. So I was a little nervous because our last vendor, teespring, was terrible and there's still people waiting on stuff they ordered for Christmas last year. They can't get in contact with them. They can't get in contact with them, I can't get in contact with them. They owe us $500, and we can't, like I said, I have no way of getting in contact with them. Unfortunately, this vendor so far. I got my shirt in two or three days. The kid's shirts took a little longer, probably four or five days, but so far, far so good.

Speaker 4: 6:07

Good, I know I ordered, like on that last vendor y'all had, I think I ordered the Marys your Personal Intercessor shirt. I never got it Now, like they didn't ever draft my account either, the order was so at least I wouldn't add any money, but it was I never got because, to be honest with you, I'm only going to wear that at the gym. Um, I don't, I don't really wear t-shirts out other than at the gym or around the farm, like I'm gonna get dirty. Um, so I'll wear it at the gym, I'm sure, because I live in baptist alabama, so I'm sure I would get some some looks at the gym.

Speaker 4: 6:45

Uh, I get some looks now, cause occasionally I'll wear, like my trips to St George shirt or something. Uh, I guess you know some guys will, you know, ask me what stuff is like. I've got like a water bottle got all kinds of stickers on it and, uh, and what is that flag with the heart on it about? It's a good time to evangelize, but it's also a good time to figure out who's the angry Protestant and who's not.

Speaker 2: 7:16

Yeah, I wore my shirt under a sport coat to Mass this weekend. This weekend and then after mass we do a lot of our shopping because when you drive two hours to the you know to the nearest like decently sized city to go to mass, that's usually when you do your shopping too. Um, so I took the sport coat off and wore just the shirt around the stores and stuff and, like the city we have our tlm in is a very, very, very, very liberal city. So, uh, I was interested to see if anyone made would make any comments, but no one did so.

Speaker 4: 7:51

How's that drive with the kids for jurors, cause I'm sure they're going nuts? Do you have like a TV or something for them to watch, or?

Speaker 2: 7:57

Uh, so they all get very motion sick If they look at anything besides out the window like you have no rear facing ones. We have, well, just the infant, the newborn, Otherwise my kids could not do it.

Speaker 4: 8:16

Rear facing Cause they got motion sickness. It was bad. I remember my boy. He ate like five of those like Mandarin oranges cups. As I was taking my daughter to school, right and halfway up all it was is nothing but like mandarin oranges down his shirt.

Speaker 2: 8:33

My brother, you're not allowed to eat mandarin oranges, no more no you know that, yeah yeah, we've, uh, we've had to move all our kids to front, facing ahead of the supposed schedule for that exact reason, the motions that can trust me. There's one time it was probably four to six weeks ago I went to Mass by my well, not by myself. I went to Mass with my daughter, mina Hope stayed at home because she was very pregnant and not feeling well. So I'm like, well, I'll just. And the boys were at my mom's, so I'm like I'll just, and the boys were at my mom, so I'm like I'll just go to mass with mina and um, me being dad didn't pack extra clothes and of course, we got all the way there.

Speaker 2: 9:13

We were 10 minutes from mass, um, and she threw a ball all over herself. So, uh, yeah, we didn't quite make it to mass that day. So, yeah, overall, driving that far with now, four kids to mass, man, it's, it's a pain, it really is, but I mean it's worth it. Um, but man, it is tough. It's one of those things where if I didn't believe it was worth it, we would not be doing it.

Speaker 4: 9:46

Yeah, yeah, we drive 45 minutes to Mass and it's I mean, it's a hassle and we're involved in everything, right, because we have flag football on the weekends there and stuff, and we're there for every feast day. You just have to be willing to sacrifice a little bit of time of your Sunday to be able to do that stuff. Am I coming in broken and unreadable Every once?

Speaker 2: 10:20

in a while, but it's not super terrible. Anthony wants to know when my flight is tomorrow, because him and I are going to Detroit to have some literal, actual business meetings about the future of the channel. Anthony, I have to leave my home at 1.30 this morning, so by the time we get off here I'm going to sleep for about four hours, wake up, get in the car and go to the airport. Can't tell if Adrian's very still. Adrian, adrian, adrian, well, adrian's out. Well, what? The? Oh no, no, no, what do, you do what is going on here wait?

Speaker 2: 11:22

you're gonna leave at 1 30 yeah, so my flight starts boarding at 4 40. I want to get the. Our airport's super small. It's four gates. There's gonna be 50 people there, so I'm not gonna get there like the two hours early you're supposed to. But, um, but I I do have to.

Speaker 1: 11:43

Oh, no, no no, I'm just popping about five seconds, uh, but I gotta.

Speaker 2: 11:48

I gotta check a gun and you know luggage.

Speaker 1: 11:51

So I want to get there an hour early and it's a two-hour drive to the airport, so I still gotta leave my house at like I still gotta leave my house at like um 5 15 like it's because to get to la guardia is um like if it was no traffic. It's a 40 minute ride, but at that time if I don't leave at 515, my flight's at 650. But if I don't leave at 515, I'll never I'll be late for my flight. So let me tell you something Detroit may suck, but where we're going does not suck.

Speaker 2: 12:19

Oh, I saw the pictures, man.

Speaker 1: 12:21

It looks pretty freaking nice so.

Speaker 2: 12:24

I went and bought a gun just to show off. This is a little bit like a woman.

Speaker 4: 12:29

The last time I was in Detroit was I actually went to a church militant event there back in like 21. Wow, before we all found out this.

Speaker 2: 12:40

No, it was way after that it was way after that.

Speaker 1: 12:43

Wait, rob was about to admit that he bought a gun because it matches his outfit. I think so. So it's see, adrian, thank you.

Speaker 2: 12:49

So we're going to a really nice place and, like you know, aunt and I are not suit sort of guys, but like I, I'm bringing some sport coats to wear just in case, so I figured.

Speaker 2: 13:04

I'm not bringing a suit, they better not want me in a suit I'm sure they just want us to because, like the full, but I'm not wearing a suit like it's right no, but I'm like what kind of gun would, would work with, you know, a suit, jacket, a sport coat in a very nice place? So I bought a walter ppk are you?

Speaker 4: 13:24

are you checking that through?

Speaker 2: 13:25

tsa, yes, well, I'll be with you, my brother I know okay, but here's the thing and I thought about too, because it's not a cheap gun, right, but even my cheapest gun, with the optic and light I have on it, is more expensive than the walter.

Speaker 4: 13:38

So well, the problem with checking with tsa is you know the rules better than they do. I know like it's like they. They get no, pretty much. They just throw them on the line and give them a uniform.

Speaker 1: 13:48

How was it going to North Carolina, Rob? Was it difficult or was everything flawless Getting there?

Speaker 2: 13:53

Fine, no problem. The problem is getting home because, just like on this upcoming trip, I'm going to get home about. I'm going to land about 1130. It's going to be the last flight into the airport before they close for the night. Coming back from North Carolina, I was at the back of the plane so I was one of the last ones off the plane. Apparently they so Delta has a policy. They have to hand you someone, physically hands you the bag. They can't put a bag with a gun in on any of the conveyor belts. So it's kind of nice because your bag's not getting thrown around as much.

Speaker 1: 14:33

So they keep it on the plane, they keep it not in the luggage compartment.

Speaker 2: 14:38

No, they keep it in the luggage compartment.

Speaker 1: 14:40

Oh okay, they can't put it on the conveyor.

Speaker 2: 14:41

Right, it's got to be carried by hand. The problem is, since I was the last one off the plane and it was the end of the day and there was only 30, 40, 50 people on the plane, my bag must have been the first one off and they hand carried it off to baggage and I wasn't there to claim it. They put it in some back office and everyone left for the night. So I found the security guard. I'm like you guys have my firearm stored somewhere in one of your closets. I'm sure you don't want it there, so can you go find it? And it took about an hour of me waiting there in the middle at the.

Speaker 1: 15:14

In the middle of the night were you able to get a a seat towards the front on the way home yes, I would be one of the first ones off the plane to prevent that. Okay, that's why your ticket was $4,000.

Speaker 2: 15:26

It was not $4,000.

Speaker 1: 15:27

Stop it. You booked first class. I was thinking about upgrading my flight and I'm like I don't know if it'll show up on the receipt. I don't want to.

Speaker 2: 15:36

I don't want to hand the receipt to you, first class. Well, you already sent him the receipt, so now upgrade it send him the receipt.

Speaker 1: 15:46

So now upgrade it. Oh yeah, yeah, but then I gotta pay for it.

Speaker 2: 15:48

No, he's gotta pay for it are y'all gonna go to the strana?

Speaker 4: 15:49

st joseph? No, I don't think so, man, you gotta make a special trip for that I mean, I don't know, we're not in church. Like they're gonna pick us up and drive us to there ain't no way they're gonna let y'all come to detroit and not take you all there. We have no idea.

Speaker 2: 16:04

It's a very jam-packed schedule yeah we might be able to slip some stuff in tomorrow rob, that's the thing like because it starts at the. The events start at like five right yeah, like we might, but we'll see.

Speaker 1: 16:15

I don't know. I talked to nick today where, uh, he's getting in a little later than us, like I think all day tomorrow's gonna be like travel, everybody getting there and stuff, so I'm gonna let you guys run. I just wanted to pop in and say hello and um, yeah, rob, looking forward to see you again tomorrow, man yeah, should be fun and I'm bringing maddie yeah you're gonna hang out with maddie.

Speaker 2: 16:35

So, by the way, by the way, I I'm like I'm. I told dan I was gonna bring maddie. Aunt was talking with dan about all the travel arrangements, because that was before I got Dan's number, but I don't know if Ant told Dan about Maddie, so I texted. Dan today. Yeah, I found that out, I didn't know. I suppose it's all fine.

Speaker 1: 16:59

Yeah, I'm sure I mean somebody else is bringing their spouse. You know it'll be fine. You know it'll be fine. Yeah, it'll be fine, yeah, all right. So all right, you guys have a good show, man. Uh, enjoying what you guys are doing here, I'm a big fan. Thank you, keep it going. I'll see you guys.

Speaker 4: 17:14

See you, Adrian. I mean, he needs it to be about him. I get that. I get that.

Speaker 2: 17:26

It is his therapy.

Speaker 4: 17:26

It really is. It's super cheap compared to how much it is to actually go to actual therapy. I've got a buddy who's a counselor and he only caters to Catholic men and his schedule's full all day, every day. Yeah, he's got so many guys. He's not cheap. People are paying it. I guess if you ain't got a mom or dad to listen to, you have to pay somebody else to do it. Yes, you buy a gun to match the outfit. You don't buy an outfit to match the gun. That's not how that works.

Speaker 2: 18:04

Very true. That's not how that works.

Speaker 4: 18:06

Very true, yeah, yeah, that's how it works, sorry.

Speaker 2: 18:09

Well, and that's because, as men, we're not trying to justify buying outfits, we're trying to justify buying guns. Exactly, yeah, exactly. You take every excuse possible.

Speaker 4: 18:18

Yeah, absolutely. Why would you not? As my dad used to tell me, there's no justifiable reason to ever sell a gun.

Speaker 2: 18:25

I think we should modify that. There's no justifiable reason to ever sell a gun or not buy one. I agree.

Speaker 4: 18:34

I saw a really good deal on the Canik TTI today. I was like man if I had an extra $700. $700? It's like $200 off. Yeah, it's like 200 bucks off. It's like, yeah, it's like seven, seven, seven, thirty dollars or something like that to about you have to transfer fee and shipping and all that like it's. You're probably you're north of 800 bucks, but that's true and then what optic you can put on.

Speaker 2: 18:56

It would let you. But like it's good, it gets expensive, yeah that.

Speaker 4: 19:01

Uh, so I put in that request to do the uh warranty warranty for my optic. Yeah, they were super, they were super good about it. Uh, but we'll see how it goes, cause sometimes when those warranties, man, they just like send you a refurbished one, you know, or so I'm going to, I'm going to check it out and see what they do.

Speaker 2: 19:17

Um you know, I might not buy that one again. I don't know if I like the enclosed red dot I have. Well, so I have two SIG enclosed red dots Not saying I'm super proud of those purchases necessarily.

Speaker 4: 19:41

And then I have a Trijicon's new RCR yeah, that one's really nice, I think, because right now on my, my shadow compact, I have another swamp fox on there, the liberty, something. I got in the swamp fox for a little bit, because the problem with optics is they're all made by the same chinese companies. Yeah, right, the trigicon is it's all american made, uh, in vortex, pay for it? But, yeah, you pay for it, but it's quality, right, so it is, and I've thought about it like my shadow compact, I think I want to put the, the rmr hd on it, but it's like 700 bucks, right, but I'll have it forever, you know it'll last forever. Um, whereas these swamp fox, like they're basically disposable, I'm paying like 200, 250 bucks for them.

Speaker 2: 20:23

Yeah, yeah, it's like a holosun basically, right. I mean, didn't they prove that um sigs optics are, are literally are just holosuns?

Speaker 4: 20:33

they're all the same. Yeah, uh, holosun sig, siley, they're, they're all pretty, they're all pretty much made in the same factories. They just, you know, they're basically white labeled, right? You just, they have an optic and you throw your, your trademark or your logo on it and it's yours right now. Um so, and it gets that way, especially when it comes to, like the flashlights, the diminishing returns on how much you pay, like up to like you, a stream lights, a font, is an okay flashlight, right? Oh yeah, there really is. And so you get into like surefire flashlights when you, you just can afford to be without that money, right, like, if you're willing to drop 600 bucks on light, you know, go for it. If you got the money to do that, go for it. Right, you're going to get a good quality light, but there's not 400 worth of difference between a stream light and a surefire matter of fact, stream lights, personally, I, I like, I like the way they're a lot easier to activate.

Speaker 2: 21:26

Yeah, when you switch on a surefire, like you know you're turning it on. Yeah, streamlight you might accidentally hit on, but I know surefires they're a little bit more rugged too. Yeah, because it's not even glass, right, because it's not even glass, right, it's ceramic technically is what I mean.

Speaker 4: 21:45

I mean, it's still glass but it's a hardened glass.

Speaker 4: 21:49

The good thing with Surefire is like that thing will take a beating Like. I have an old Surefire Scout that I was issued when I was in the Marines. That thing's probably older than my kids and it's still going strong, but it's only like 150, 200 lumens. So it's basically just for the house. I'm not like going outside and shooting across my pasture or nothing with it. But you know, you just kind of have to determine are you willing to pay double or triple the price for five, maybe seven, 8% better of a light, right, you know, if you've got the money, got the money, do it man, I don't care, it's your money, do whatever you want with it. But for me, I mean, I go through my, I drop stuff too much.

Speaker 2: 22:31

I'd rather have something that I can just replace real quick with 150 bucks, yeah, um you know, and it depends on use case, like guns I'm gonna, you know, for key carry out in the woods, hunting um yeah you know side arms or or camping like yeah I don't want to bring.

Speaker 2: 22:50

Uh, you know a super nice gun with a 700 optic and a 400 purifier out there. You know I'm gonna be tramping through the wet woods and stuff, but uh, yeah, like my home defense gun on the nightstand, yeah, that might get all the fun, fun, expensive stuff if it's just going to sit in the safe most of the time yeah, something that you're carrying every day and you your life depends on it and your family's lives depend on it, like throw all the gucci stuff on it right, if you want to um, but you know, then you come down.

Speaker 4: 23:20

Do you actually need a light on a pistol? I, I like it, um, but you know I could. I could be fine without it too, because I have a. I don't have it on me, but I have a flat. What is the flat stream light? Was it called? Um? Well, I don't know what the stream switch play, something like that yeah, I have a flat night core.

Speaker 2: 23:40

Yeah, I mean, it's very similar to that 1200 lumens.

Speaker 4: 23:42

yeah, it's very similar to that 1,200 lumens. Yeah, it's very similar to that right. And again, those are all made in the same factories and they're just throwing somebody else's logo on there.

Speaker 2: 23:57

So I'm personally like I have a light on almost all my guns because for me, where I am in the winter you get eight hours of daylight. Like it's dark when I go to work, it's dark when I get home from work. So for me it makes sense. But if you, if you live down in florida where you don't have that, that, that huge period of darkness- maybe it doesn't.

Speaker 4: 24:18

I've used my light more during the day than I have ever at night, like there's dark spaces, like underneath a stairwell or in the back of a room or something, or under a crawl space or something. You know, like I've used my lights way more during the day than ever. In fact, the only time I'm going to use a night or light tonight is go back to my house for my shop, because, you know, we, we had a full moon last night, um, and I it's pretty much almost, you know, like having a little bit of daylight, um, but it's not always like that. I'm on the eastern side of the central time zone and, like I, when the winter it'll be dark by 4 30. You know, like the sun's up at 7 is dark by 4 30, so I'm not much better than you are right down here in alabama, um, you know, and there's a lot of times I have to have a light. You never know.

Speaker 2: 25:05

Um the lights. Definitely, definitely can.

Speaker 4: 25:10

Yes, they will. White light will compromise your night vision.

Speaker 2: 25:13

For sure. Uh, so it depends on like, it depends on your use case, you know, on like a nightstand gun. I'm not so worried about compromising my night vision. If there's a home intruder, you know I want to blast him with the white light more than anything, um, but you know, maybe a, maybe a rifle, you know, especially if you have someone, if you are someone with night vision, maybe you don't want it on a rifle.

Speaker 4: 25:40

You're going to be there out in the woods that night I would still have a white light on a rifle, even if you have night vision, um, the. But the thing is, if you don't want to compromise night vision, you know, call it night vision, you know, just basic vision right at night, um, use red light and blue light that won't compromise it. Like I've got a. I've got a pencil here, um, and it does red and blue light, um, and I use this a lot, and not this one specifically, but a pencil here and it does red and blue light, and I use this a lot, not this one specifically, but a pencil like this in Afghanistan a lot. The problem with red light is you can't see blood Right. So that's why I use blue light a lot of times, because it shows blood real easy. So if something happens and you need to see what you're doing, but you don't want to compromise your night vision, you need to be able to see blood, use blue light. But uh, yeah, white light definitely, but again, with a white light on a, on a rifle or a pistol you're doing it to for a defensive purpose. Sometimes you just need to use a light to blind somebody and and then that'll, you know, dissolve the situation. But uh, I have lights on everything, every one of my rifles, my ARs I'm hunting rifles now and most of my pistols I do, just because I like to have it, just in case. But I'm not going around shining my pistol light to look at stuff. I have another light for that Because I don't want to be flagging somebody with my firearm just to be able to see around.

Speaker 4: 27:08

Yep, have you all ever read Adam Lane Smith's books? I have not. It's fun fiction. One of them I read is In the Future. They're like fighting demons or something. It's a pretty fun read. It's pretty quick to me. I think I read that thing in like a day, um, because it's super easy to read. But his books are really good. Adam lane smith is is, uh, he is a novice ordo captain, is he? He is um, and at least the last time I've seen his stuff. He might have changed in the last couple of years, but he was solidly very Vatican II, john Paul II, type of Catholic. There's nothing wrong with that, because you've got to give people the benefit of the doubt what they're aware of. But just keep that in mind.

Speaker 2: 28:00

Is he like that in a live and let live way or in an anti-trad sort of way?

Speaker 4: 28:06

It's more. I wouldn't even say live and let live. It's more of just like. It's about how he's obviously a cradle Catholic who grew up in that time. He's my age, so he grew up in the John Paul II era and it's just kind of shaded his outlook and everything and he's never needed to go to a TLM because he's always had the faith right. It's kind of like you, right, always grew up in a good Catholic church. A lot of us did not, that's true. And one I grew up in and we talked about this last time the priest came out dressed as Santa Claus. I didn't have that, which makes every reason for me when I went away from the faith at 18, it just made sense If my priest doesn't even believe because he's dressed up as Santa Claus, of course I went away.

Speaker 4: 29:02

Was Bobby saying does he mean our natural night vision or not? So white light will get rid of your natural night vision, bobby, as you know. Um, but you also have a white light even if you have nonce. But you can also have a, an infrared light, right. So if you have a laser like uh, there's a company I've been looking at lately, um, focus trip. If y'all follow any of his stuff he's got. He's been touting sms, uh, which does? It's called the hsfx, um and it was originally made for um airsoft um, but they've ruggedized it to where now you can put it on an actual rifle and apparently it's fantastic for the money it's like 250 bucks, um, because the laser I paid like a thousand bucks for it and it's fantastic for the money.

Speaker 4: 29:44

It's like $250. Because the laser I paid like $1,000 for it. It is just a laser. I don't have an IR illuminator or anything on it, oh man.

Speaker 2: 29:50

So, as you know, I just recently got into night vision kind of. And yeah, looking at those lasers and stuff for rifles, man, that's about as expensive as the night vision.

Speaker 4: 30:07

Yeah, yeah, night vision is a superpower. It really is. Man, you put on night vision, even if there's no moon, you can still see pretty well. And I remember, like when I first got it and I showed my wife because she didn't know that, she's like why did you spend this much money on it? Like you know, and I try and I tried to explain all the reasons for it, but she doesn't understand it until she sees it. And then she sees it, she's like oh okay, I see why you did this. Like. So now, like if something happens outside, like I've got my night vision on and I'm going to find out what's going on, or my thermals yes, completely legal no restrictions, there's just a.

Speaker 2: 30:42

The price is definitely a barrier to entry, um, but like adrian said, like in the, it is almost like a superpower and it doesn't even need to be necessarily even for, like self-defense, like for me like what I said it's.

Speaker 2: 30:59

You know, two-thirds of our day here in minnesota in the winter is in the dark. So like if something happens out, you know outside, and or the power goes out or something having night vision, and it's better than a flashlight. Flashlight, you get that cone that you can see night vision, you, the whole world you can see everything you can see everything.

Speaker 2: 31:21

So I had to go look for a kid in the middle of the night because one of my kids got outside or something I having that night vision is would be very useful and on top of that then you have thermals, right.

Speaker 4: 31:34

I that my first experience with thermals was in the fire department and we had a handheld thermal device, yeah, and in if we had a car accident we were missing a patient, right. So we had I usually had the driver, engineer somebody get out the thermal, go, start looking in the woods, somebody got thrown from a vehicle or something, and thermal. I'm on the fence on whether I suggest thermals or night vision to people anymore, because thermal is so attainable now and it's so good, it is cheap, it's yeah, it's pretty cheap, but if you have the money to do it, then you absolutely should get either or and eventually both if you can, because there is, like I said, it's like having a superpower, being able to see at night, or even my thermal, I use it during the day. If I want to see at night, or even even my my thermal, I use it during the day.

Speaker 4: 32:26

You know, if I, if I want to see something, uh, for example, we have a friend who she had one of her calves get out and couldn't find it and I just the first thing I was like she need, they need to get thermal for when that happens, because you can find it real quick. At that point. You're looking for a heat signature, and, and if you own a farm you can write it off, so that works out a little bit better too. Um, you know, if you want to stick it to, oh, uncle sam, uh, write that thing off, but yeah, absolutely, um, absolutely worth it all right, so let's get into 32 minutes into.

Speaker 2: 33:00

We want to get into the topic this is.

Speaker 4: 33:02

It's like anthony was here, he, he threw me off, threw, threw me off course. So let's get into situational awareness, as everyone saw with the arena. I'm not even going to attempt her last name Incident in Charlotte. Do we lose Rob by myself? What do I do? That is a situation where she was not she even coming from the ukraine, which is a very homogenous society. All right. She's probably never had to deal with, uh, demographics that are known much more for crime than other demographics and, uh, she wasn't aware of being able to the requirement, we'll say, to keep an eye on what's going on around you, right? So, um, that other video I gave you Rob, the one, the other Instagram one. When you want to show that one real quick, yep, let me pull that up here.

Speaker 2: 34:01

The um Olga Marie one.

Speaker 4: 34:05

The one where they're in their restaurant or whatever. The other funny one.

Speaker 2: 34:13

Okay, I have it here, let me just get it ready.

Speaker 1: 34:20

Yeah.

Speaker 3: 34:23

Okay, to my left, so good Three. To my right, I can take them, two big dogs. They're on the lead, so good, two guys to my left.

Speaker 4: 34:38

So good, that is a hundred percent what happens when I'm out. I'm sure when you're out, rob, you know we're constantly looking around. We're constantly keeping an eye on who's around. Who's wearing clothing that shouldn't be worn at this time of year. We never sit in a restaurant with our backs to a door because you don't want somebody sneaking up. My wife and she's gotten to the point now where she automatically she's like make sure the kids don't sit in my seat, where I need to be able to see all the exits. I never let my kids go to the bathroom by themselves, if there's an exit by the bathroom especially, but if they're young enough, I always, always take them to the bathroom.

Speaker 4: 35:18

It's sometimes hard to always sit with your back to the wall, depending, because you don't always get to. It may not be an option, but as long as you can sit to where you can see all the exits right and keep an eye on what's going on, you know you should if you can, but if you can't, you need to be constantly looking around. So situational awareness is a, is a is a trained lifestyle that you eventually, as a man especially, need to get in in the thought process of, because it is your job to protect people, especially your family, and maybe even other innocent people, um, and so you need to be able to keep tabs on people that are around, and it's so and you can explain it away. It's just people watching, right? If somebody's like, why is that guy always looking around, we'll just, you know, people watching is a thing.

Speaker 4: 36:04

People go to the, to the coffee shop, and just people watch, right, yeah, you know, just sit there, get a coffee, just watch it just, and sometimes I'll do that, you know. Just, I got some time between meetings or something, I'll go sit down, just watch people. We start to get an idea of of people's uh behaviors and their mannerisms and such, and keep an eye on that. And what this is all started, uh was by the name, by the guy, the name of boyd.

Speaker 4: 36:30

He basically put a process to this, um like triceratops uh, so boyd put out what's called the OODA loop right Observe, orient, uh decide, act Um and you're constantly going through that all the time.

Speaker 4: 36:49

You're observing everything, you're keeping an eye on what's going on. The orient portion is is is really the most important, because it's not. It's not. You're like physically turning towards something. Right, the orient is like you're bringing the orient is like you're bringing in your biases and you're bringing in your uh learned, uh colloquialisms that you grew up with, that you understood, about behavior and things. If a guy's got his, if he's talking to, if two guys are talking and they're starting to get heated and one guy is keeping his hands down and he's starting to ball his fists or something like he's about to take a swing, right, you're keeping eyes for these cues. Those are things that you learn through watching it. Um, and that's the orient position. That's where you're. You're trying to keep a baseline of what's going on, and then you get into the decision portion like, am I going to do something?

Speaker 4: 37:38

Most often, the best thing you can do is remove yourself from the situation. Right, if you're there with your family, that is not the time to be getting into a fist fight or a shootout. You just you're in the middle of a meal and two guys are starting to get in the fight. We're gonna throw some money on the on the table real quick and we're leaving, right, because I'm not. I've got four kids and my wife. I can't physically get in front of all of them, right, I can put myself between them and somebody else, but I can't get myself in front of all of them, um, so the best thing to do is just at that point is movies, and that's where the act comes in. Then you remove yourself from the situation, right, um, and you're constantly having to do that, uh, and that's a con, it's. It's called a loop. It's not really a loop, it's more of like a flow chart, yeah, but, uh, you're constantly having to keep an eye on things.

Speaker 2: 38:23

They call it. It's a loop, because you do it for everything you do and it goes through that loop. Yeah, yeah, but I think they say what it's average.

Speaker 4: 38:33

What two seconds from the beginning to the end of the loop yeah, I mean, if you're 70 iq it might be five seconds, but you just need to end, and some of some of us are not, don't have the gifted intellect to be able to um go through this thing very quickly, right? That's why you see some guys, you know, when you get into a situation where your paris empathetic jump kicks in and it used to be fight or flight, well, it's not fire, flight, right, it's fight or flight or freeze.

Speaker 4: 39:07

I've seen more guys freeze than anything right, for example? Uh, have you seen the video going around of that, the karen?

Speaker 4: 39:15

yes, going after that guy for the baseball, right? Yes, as soon as she touched him. Do you see his flinch? Right, he's like he's, he's putting his hands up, you know, know, which is a natural reaction. Right, he's going to protect himself because he's he wasn't expecting someone to come at him with that type of aggression, right, but he was not situationally aware. No Whatsoever, right. Even at a ballpark, at a ballpark where you're having to get out with 50,000 other people, right, especially at a ballpark, you need to keep it up as well. As the people who go to sports events are typically very rabid about their, their teams.

Speaker 2: 40:00

And there's tends to be alcohol involved.

Speaker 4: 40:04

Right, so that's one aspect of it. So, but going back to the arena, however you pronounce her first name, she's Ukrainian, so she can pronounce it any number of ways, but she was just oblivious. She got on. First thing she did is started looking at her phone.

Speaker 2: 40:20

And I think so many people I mean, I think as a society we've trained ourselves that way. We tell ourselves that if we just put our nose down and ignore everything, then hopefully they ignore us too.

Speaker 4: 40:34

Right, and that, just it, makes you a victim is what it makes you, and that's just not the case with so many people with these phones, right, and they're putting them in their face all the time, they're not aware of what's going around at all. You know we don't have that luxury anymore. You know we don't live in a society where you can do that, where you can. Just I picked up my phone and my internet's going crazy because I'm connected to my phone. So we don't live in, we don't have that luxury, one. You have to keep an eye on what's going around, um. So two books that I want to show y'all too, so y'all can just get them. You can get um. There's an audiobook of both of these if you want to, if you like listening to it, and, um, if you listen to a book, you're not reading a book.

Speaker 4: 41:25

So don't tell people if you read books if you listen to them, uh, but one of them is beyond udu uda. Can you show the?

Speaker 4: 41:33

author's name it's where's my camera? There's varg freeborn. Okay, that's one. That's a fantastic book that.

Speaker 4: 41:41

That man grew up in a very criminal household, right? He witnessed his first murder when he was like almost 12 years old and then after that, you know, he went to prison for like five years at 19. He went in prison for like five years like adult federal prison, like horrible, horrible prisons, not local jail, yeah, jail. Yeah. Violence of mind is fantastic. Um, if you ever listen to his books, it's him doing the audiobook and he'll tell you he's not very educated so it's kind of monotone sometimes, uh, and so it's a kind of a hard. That's why I like reading his books a lot better. But, um, he goes through D getting in the mindset of being willing to deal with violence, like what the mindset you have to get into to get to be there.

Speaker 4: 42:35

Cause we're most of us, like you know in the chat how many of y'all have ever been in a fight like a fist fight, more than just like a child fight where, like you and your brother got in, punched each other, like a fight where you thought like some serious injury would happen? I'll be honest, I've never even been on one and most of us, haven't? You know? I have, unfortunately, but um, but you know, but that's. I chose that. I joined a job field that that was the understanding you were going to get into, you know. But most people have never even taken a punch. They don't know what it's like to get punched in the face and for a lot of people, when that happens, it shocks them and that's where the freeze comes in. If you've never been in a situation like that, it's going to shock you and then it's from there. What do you? How do you respond? And I'll be honest with you A lot of times I've gotten in a fight. I did not do the right thing and didn't remove myself in the situation and I just got into it and gotten in the mud with them, Right, um, and that was not a good idea, but you know that's. I'm still here, so I was doing something right at least. But for most of us, even if you get punched in the face, man, just remove yourself from the situation, take the and get out of it. Right, because you one jason's gonna like this segment. Um, my biggest issue with jujitsu is it does not train you to deal with more than one attacker, um, and there are certain demographics that never fight one-on-one. That's why it is imperative for you to remove yourself from the situation, because you're that's not going to be the only person you fight. He's going to have friends that jump in.

Speaker 4: 44:28

When I was in Okinawa, we used to always have to roll deep and roll like five, six, seven guys together at a time, because there was cases especially if you're if you ever went off Island and you went to like Thailand or something there were situations where, if you were by yourself, you were an easy target. We were always required to leave at least two Marines at least. Even then they requested three or four. You never want to be the only person that's able to help yourself.

Speaker 4: 45:02

The issue with Krav Maga is they're all treadmill karate dojos now able to help yourself. The issue with Krav Maga is they are all. They're like treadmill karate dojos. Now it's some guy wearing parachute pants with American flag on, telling you how good he's going to roundhouse kick you. Krav Maga is better than nothing, but I would not spend a lot of time in the Krav Maga, unfortunately. And really some of the best things you can do in boxing just to be able to create distance between yourself and somebody else, but just what you do up in here does more than anything. These comments are going crazy.

Speaker 2: 45:42

I want to get to this more towards the end, so, but just kind of keep this in mind, like as as you're talking about things like not being able to take a punch, freezing up, uh, even just how to observe people. Um, towards the end, I want to talk like how, how do people learn how to observe other people, how do people know, train themselves to not freeze up, to either either fight or or run Right, so we'll, we'll try to get towards that towards the end.

Speaker 4: 46:14

So let's, let's pull up the arena video that I sent you. And we're not going to show what ends up happening. It stops before it gets to that point. Yeah, and we're not going to show what ends up happening. It stops before it gets to that point. Um, you know, even with the horrible things I've seen in my life, I try not to watch that stuff anymore. Um, because it's just, it's a devaluing of life. It's a decent sensation. Um, you know and you're, I see it enough just on the farm, when I have to kill a chicken or something. Hopefully not with a 12-gauge.

Speaker 2: 46:52

Did you see the MRE sale he's got going on now. No 20% off all chicken MREs.

Speaker 4: 47:04

He's a good dude and his heart's in the right place, um, and he does a lot of good stuff. He just says some like dumb stuff sometimes. He he needs a pr got banned for.

Speaker 2: 47:18

For anyone we're talking about a pnw. He's a he sells military surplus out of, I think, washington state. Right, yeah, he's out of Washington state. Yeah, he he's very impulsive he does something and then thinks about it 24 hours later.

Speaker 4: 47:36

Yeah, so apparently he had a situation where he had a rooster that was going crazy on one of his hens and he decided to shoot it. I'm like brother, have you never seen a rooster mate with a hen before? I don't know how, because he's got a bunch of chickens. So how has he never seen it?

Speaker 2: 47:56

Which then makes me think I think the rooster did that and then went on after a kid.

Speaker 4: 48:01

Yeah, I mean, but still it depends on the kid, right like my five-year-old. If I have a rooster that goes crazy, like I'm gonna get rid of it, because I've got a five-year-old and she's, you know, barely at my waist, she's gonna be a tiny, tiny girl. Um, you know, and I have got rid, I had a chicken, uh, for a long time. Um, that event, I just, I just I kept trying to excuse the way, not getting rid of it. But one time I was out in these, uh, doing you know some farm chores, and he came at me and when I kicked him, his spur went through my boot and drew blood on me and I was like, okay, time to go. If that's going to do that to my boot, he's going to hurt one of my girls, yeah, um, so I got rid of him.

Speaker 4: 48:42

I just took him out to the tree I call it the killing tree, um, and I just took him out and took his head off. But, um, you know, it's, I don't. I I just wonder, like, what was his chicken doing? He decided to use a 12 gauge on it, that's, that's, unless he just like I just felt like shooting my 12 gauge today, you know, well, I get it. I do that too. I fire off a 12 gauge occasionally keep the hawks away. You know I don't shoot at the hawks, you know local police, so you know, uh, but I will shoot it in the air and scare the hawks away. But it also scares all the chickens and I probably won't get any more eggs that day I uh, this upcoming weekend is a gross opener for us up here and I'm so excited we've uh, I won't get into that, that's gonna think it's down

Speaker 4: 49:30

a rabbit hole we probably, uh, probably, don't need to get into, uh, so going through. So another really good book is left of bang. All right, so this is a. So see, I can see if that's coming in, good, right, so left of bang was actually a marine corps um, combat training that we had that a lot of us had to go through before we even deployed, and it was to basically train you in situational awareness, um, especially when you got overseas, right like so, if you're, for example, on one patrol we were doing, we were doing the patrol base that I was at was right outside of the town.

Speaker 2: 50:09

Marine books, so big print.

Speaker 4: 50:12

My eyes are good. That's not the issue.

Speaker 2: 50:18

They just spelled it all phonetically, guys, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4: 50:21

Exactly so. The patrol base we're at had a little town right next to like a little you know streets and stuff in it and uh, there's one time we were doing patrol and normally we went through it. There's people everywhere trying to sell us stuff, especially kids, like we're throwing candy to them, and they would swarm us all the time trying to get candy and everything we threw out. One time we were going through and it was empty in the middle of a normal day and as soon as we saw that we turned around and went right back, cause that means there's probably an IED or something somewhere. We never and nothing ever happened because we made the decision to de-ass ourselves of the situation. Basically, right, get out of there and go back. It's because it's not the firefight we were afraid of. You can shoot back at a firefight, but you can't shoot back in an IED. True, and you know, I've seen situations where they've set up IEDs in the door and once you cross the threshold it's at head level and it blows up and it just decapitates you.

Speaker 4: 51:24

We had a Marine that happened to in my first deployment when he went into a house and it went off, right. So just keeping. We knows that was immediately. That was not the baseline. The baseline was there, was people, always there, and then this time that was not the baseline. So we decided to just remove ourselves from the situation.

Speaker 4: 51:44

I eventually find out later that there was an id with a. It wasn't meant to. It was more or less meant to be a diversion and was meant to draw us into a firefight, into into a corridor that would basically put us into a fatal funnel, almost like we were going to be shot at from all sides. But I found that out like a week later, you know. So just keep an idea of the baseline. But left of bang, what it does is you always want to be, and how? So how it is on a timeline right, so on one side is normal, and then the bang happens in the middle right, and then everything on the other side of the bang is the reaction. You always want to be to the point where you don't have to react. You want to choose the situation you're in and if you don't keep an eye on what's going on, then you're, you're putting yourself behind the eight ball. That's why situational awareness. And then we get into with the oodaloo, the different color codes, right.

Speaker 2: 52:46

So if you have that graphic, I sent you earlier yeah did we want to do that before the arena video uh, let's do that real quick.

Speaker 4: 52:57

Let's do the graphic first and then we'll do the arena video so y'all can kind of well, y'all can kind of see. You know the mindset you need to put yourself in. So the white is most people who walk around every day. They're looking at their phone as they're walking, they're not paying attention to anything, they don't see what's going on around them and they're just really not concerned. Then you get into the yellow where you're starting to be aware of things. You're looking at people. You're looking at. You know what kind of clothes they're wearing. Do they have a bowls on their belt? You know you're looking for. You know if there's a firearm or something there.

Speaker 4: 53:36

And then you get into the orange. You recognize you're in a non-permissive environment. You're on a public transportation where you might be the only one there that's not melanated and you need to be hyper aware. Something could happen Right. And then you get into red where, like you, something absolutely is about to happen and you're prepared for it. Do we leave? Do I don't have an option to leave? If I don't have an option to leave, do I need to an option to leave? Do I need to now go into the black, like I'm going to be in the fight.

Speaker 4: 54:06

I'm going to have to do something. I'm going to do whatever I have to do to get out of the situation, and that might mean taking somebody's life right, because it's either you or them. It's either your family or them, right? So just keep that in mind as we watch this next video with arena um and just notice some things and I'll talk through it, cause it doesn't have any sound but just notice some things that weren't done and just how oblivious she was. Okay, all right. So this is the public transportation in Charlotte and it's like any, like if you've been to DC, or if you've been to dc or if you've been to chicago with the l? Um.

Speaker 2: 54:48

It's pretty standard like you have some yeah.

Speaker 4: 54:52

So you have some that you know are on the wall and they face towards the center, which is where you need to try and sit if you're on any of these next to a door. That way you can get out real fast. If you don't have the option, you need to stand in that area. Um, so go ahead and play it and I'll talk through it. Don't want to pause, okay. So, seeing all the doors, so notice everybody's looking at their phones. Look at all these people. So the guy in the red hoodie. Obviously something's not right with this guy. Obviously he's already. He's fidgety, right. He's uh, he's not acting normal, like most people on a public transport. They're sleeping or look at watching a phone, all right. So this is her. She's coming home from work. It looks like I guess I didn't read the. You know what exactly led to this, or if she's on her way to work I believe coming home from work.

Speaker 4: 55:49

Yes, okay. So she's on her phone, has no idea what's going on, right? So then he starts behind him, behind her. He's now, he's making the decision. He's going to do something, right, he's whatever his going through his mind. This is like his 14th, 15th time. Um, he's that he's been involved with the law. Right, he's pulling out a folding knife, which is a horrible knife to stab somebody with, but and then he decides to just commit some violence. It's not going to show anything, obviously, uh, but look at everybody around him.

Speaker 2: 56:22

I was going to say no one has even acknowledged that he stood up and beginning to act.

Speaker 4: 56:29

They have no idea and this happens all the time and unfortunately she bled out. He hit her right in the neck, Probably hit her in the jugular and she bled out. Look at everyone.

Speaker 2: 56:48

No one has even noticed.

Speaker 4: 56:50

Look at the blood on the ground that's dripping off him. This guy notices it. He's starting to figure out. Something happened Right. Then these people in the back Look at all that blood on the ground. He's changing his outfit so he's not as easily recognizable. Right, all these people are running to find out what's going on. I just how much let's see.

Speaker 2: 57:17

I just want to look at where she chose to sit. I don't know what one of these doors she comes in.

Speaker 4: 57:24

Yeah, it's hard to tell probably that one right now where I can't even see him in that no, but there's.

Speaker 2: 57:31

I mean there's open seat, like you said. There's open seats where she should have sat. And she went, and actually I before I saw the video, I assumed he got on after her and chose to sit behind her, but she actually put herself in that spot.

Speaker 4: 57:50

And who knows the demons he was dealing with, right that he purposely, consciously, probably allowed himself to be influenced by at this point. And then now it's been found out that the judge who keeps releasing him is releasing him, is releasing him into a business that she owns that does therapy and counseling.

Speaker 4: 58:09

so that's a conflict of interest yeah, so that's a conflict of interest already, um for her. So hopefully something can be done about her and get her off the streets, because, as we've seen with the, with a lot of the George Soros DAs they, for instance, in DC 80, I think it was 88 percent of the people who've been arrested since Trump brought in the National Guard there are being released by the DAs and the prosecutors Right, so really nothing's happening at this point. So these are things that you have to keep in mind. So let's play that next video of the convenience store real quick. So this dude was carrying on his side and these joggers came in and decided to relieve him of his firearm.

Speaker 2: 59:09

so he's open carrying is he? Was he carrying just in his pocket or is he having?

Speaker 4: 59:17

I can't tell in the video, but I think it, I'm pretty sure it was just visibly obvious. So either it was a huge bulge or is in his pocket or is on the outside, the waistband holster. I've seen him where a guy had one in the small of his back and he got relieved his firearm and had no idea. Right, he's begging these guys not take, he's not worried about his life, he's worried about them taking his firearm at this point. You know, um, and but he had no idea what was going on around him. He's carrying in a horrible position, right, I, I carry appendix. Um, you know, and I can, um, some of our bigger guys probably have a problem with that. Um, I do not carry appendix.

Speaker 4: 1:00:01

If you can carry appendix, I highly suggest it. Uh, because you have positive retention on that Cause, it's in the front of you at all times. But if you have to carry it the three o'clock or the four o'clock, it needs to be very concealable where you can't tell that you have it. Yeah, because then you have this situation right, whereas these guys come in and just decided you no longer needed to have that firearm, right, and now, who knows what they could have killed him. They could, and who knows what, they've gone on to use that firearm for.

Speaker 4: 1:00:33

Right Appendix is in the front right. So I carry my firearm basically level what in the Marines are called a gig line right. It's the center point of your body. So on my waist I have my belt line right in the center and that's where I carry, for a few reasons. One it's comfortable when I'm walking around. I know it's always there. It's not comfortable when I'm sitting down, I can tell you that, but I'm willing to put up with that discomfort. And when I no, do not carry a 320 appendix at all or you might eventually be trans yourself.

Speaker 4: 1:01:12

Um, for for the minute or two it takes before you, for the men, yeah, for the ladies, you know well we don't get that, but um. So another reason I carry appendix is, um, as I told you all before, all the good firearms training, especially pistols, I've had have been since I got out of the marines and, uh, one of the trainings I went to was one it was grappling on the ground and trying to get your gun out right, if you got on your side and you're pinned on your side and you can't get it out, uh, that's an issue. Um, but as well, uh, yeah, bobby, it is the fastest draw, um, I'm not particularly fast, I do about a one and a half second draw, um, but I've seen some guys sub second right pulling that thing out and firing out in the a zone. Uh, with this under a second, which is super fast, um. But or if, like you see collateral um, see how fat he carries at the I believe the three o'clock, but he cares, he pulls that thing out fast as well.

Speaker 4: 1:02:10

If you train yourself wherever you carry, you can be getting real fast. You just, it requires a lot of repetition, but when you're carrying appendix and say your, your strong arm goes down right, so I'm right, right-handed If my, if I get shot my right arm and I can't use my right arm. Um, I can't reach my right side three o'clock with with my left hand, right Um, you know just how I'm built. Um, I just can't do it, and so it allows me to be able to draw with my offhand and be able to fire from there. It's a little awkward, but I can still get to it, and that's the biggest thing. Biggest reason I have it is because I need to always get, no matter what I need to be able to get to my, to my firearm.

Speaker 2: 1:02:55

Yeah, I tend to carry it between two and three, personally. Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:03:01

If you can get to the point. I've seen big guys carry an appendix fine, right, um, you know it's. If you can get to that point. It's just like when you first start carrying, you just have to get used to it, right, and you're, when you first start carrying, you're more aware of your firearm than everyone else's. That's 100.

Speaker 2: 1:03:19

True, yeah, everyone's convinced they're printing when. Yeah, anyway, yeah, so it doesn't matter they have.

Speaker 4: 1:03:28

As you can see on that, on that train video, nobody has any idea what's going on. No, um, you know because? Because then you get into the point like, well, if you have to pull your firearm, where do you shoot? Well, center mass, as much as you can until they stop being a threat, right. And then just say, when the police come and cause, never talk to the police, never wait for a lawyer, right. But when you do eventually make your statement, I was in fear for my life and you were. If you have to pull your firearm, that's because you're in fear for your life. And and Bobby here, bobby isby, is that a is? Are they kydex? I haven't heard of that company. I haven't either. Are those kydex holsters? Um, I don't like. I don't like leather, um, because most leather companies don't use a stiff enough leather and the leather can get caught in the trigger guard and fire your pistol if you're going to buy a leather holster.

Speaker 2: 1:04:29

It needs to be. It's going to end up being a very expensive leather holster. Yeah all of my good, I mean yeah, all my good leather holsters are twice as expensive though, but you know, in my leather holsters are for like my. Did you just spill?

Speaker 4: 1:04:46

Yeah, just splash them in the face. Just spit in my face. Yeah, Kydex is the way to go because it's stiff and rigid and you don't have to worry about that. I have looked at like Falco holsters for when I carry it mass.

Speaker 2: 1:05:00

Because at mass I don't carry that. This is a cheap Kydex holster, but so Kydex is just a. It's a thermoplastic um that that can be key molded, you know, around in basically any shape, but so there you can get them custom for basically any gun, any gun and light combo, though they they can get.

Speaker 4: 1:05:20

Yeah, they can get expensive, but yeah, absolutely um, so with holsters, then you get into the thought process uh, do you carry an extra mag, right? Um, there's a lot of like t-rex started the sidecar, yeah, holster where it's the, the holster for the firearm and a mag right next to it. Unless you're like a thin guy, those are very uncomfortable. I don't carry like that. If I carry an extra mag, it's on my belt line. But you're going to be pushing, yeah, $100 or more for a good quality holster, but it's an investment.

Speaker 4: 1:06:05

Now the issue is, the problem is for most holsters is you're going to end up having a bunch of them because, you're going to one to two for every gun I have yeah, you're, you're, and it's just the way, the way of the beast man. Um, you just have to be okay with it, because what you're carrying on you is the difference between you going home one day or not, right? So you need to invest in that, and not only investing in the money, but the time as well.

Speaker 2: 1:06:32

And it's not even necessarily thinking like that holster might be. Whether you live or die in a gunfight, a bad holster could mean you shoot yourself in the leg because something got in the trigger guard. You know it could mean you die because of a stupid mistake. So you know, spend the extra money, get a good holster. You know that's specific for your gun, your setup for the carry position you carry in and then practice dry. Then practice dry fire. You know draw and reholster.

Speaker 4: 1:07:09

Over and over If you go to a Ben Stoker shopcom. Ben Stoker, he does a. He teaches a lot of USPS a and IDPA courses and such, basically how to competition shoot. But he has some dry fire targets that are small, that you can just put on your wall in your garage and dry fire with those. What dry firing is is you've got the, the firearm empty, um, and you are basically drawing and pulling the trigger, yeah, and letting the hammer go forward, right, uh, it will not hurt your firearm, um, not anything made in the last 50 years anyways. No, um, any, any of the old revolvers yeah, I wouldn't do it on it, um, it'll tear up your firing pin, but any of the new firearms you know, especially in the striker fired. In fact, with the striker fire pistol, especially like a lock, you can put a zip top down in your, in your barrel that blocks your striker and it allow you to continually pull the trigger without having to reset it.

Speaker 2: 1:08:08

Reset it meaning you know you're you're pulling the rack, you're racking slide um, not ar, but I do have a, a holster for my uh, my raider, my uh.

Speaker 4: 1:08:20

Yeah, I haven't actually used it yet. But but a man is good. There's another one Cool fire, I think it's called. It uses CO2 and it mimics your firearm and it'll work in your firearm. You don't have to buy a new firearm. It has like a CO2 cartridge in the mag and then it has the actuator in the slot itself. You replace the barrel, basically, and it'll you. You'll get like a thousand shots out of each cl2 cartridge to where you're not.

Speaker 2: 1:08:51

You're not manually racking the slide to reset it right. That's awesome, because I know they man just figured out how to do that for the uh, for ars, but they don't have anything for handguns yet yeah, but yeah, it just uses co2 cartridges which you can get filled at any airsoft um store, any hardware store.

Speaker 4: 1:09:10

Yeah, yeah, and you can get one of those tanks and it'll last forever. Um, I don't get it like I just use manual and I'll re-rack my slide when I'm at the office. I'll just if I'm in between, if I'm talking to somebody like they're hearing a lot of clicking. Yep, all right, because I'm like I'm drop firing while I'm on the phone with somebody.

Speaker 2: 1:09:26

Sometimes I do it all the time Watching TV.

Speaker 4: 1:09:29

Yeah, you know, or just getting used to, maybe like mag changes or whatever, right Drop firing will pay dividends when you finally get to the range. You won't have to shoot as many rounds when you go to the range because of drop firing. It's absolutely worth it. It was empty. He didn't even flag the camera. He's fine.

Speaker 2: 1:09:52

It is weird to flag the camera. I naturally try not to do it, and I don't know why.

Speaker 4: 1:09:58

No, the L in Chicago, I think, has on average, like one murder every two days, whether it's on the train itself or on one of the landings or the stair or within the immediate vicinity of it. So, yeah, every I used to go to Chicago a lot when I, when I I grew up in Louisville, kentucky, and I used to go to Chicago, I grew up a Cubs fan, because it was either Cubs or the Braves Cause I was the only ones I could see on TV I became a Cubs fan. I used to go to Chicago a lot, even when I was 18 to 24, I would never get on the hill. There's absolutely no way I would take a cab or I would drive everywhere.

Speaker 4: 1:10:40

It's just a matter of not putting yourself in that situation. Yeah, yeah, there's probably a few people in here who have actually had to use their firearm, um, in a situation and hopefully none of y'all have ever had to take somebody's life Um, you, you don't get over it. Um, it's, it's hard to deal with, uh, when you realize, like you're the reason, that person is no longer here, even if it was justified. So I hope none of you all ever have to deal with that, but just be prepared in case you you do, you're going to need to talk to somebody afterwards. Just because you're going to have to get that out of your head, you're going to have to verbalize it and that's you know whether it's with a priest or with a friend who's been through it, somebody who's been through that situation. If you end up having to be in that situation to actually use your firearm, you need to talk to somebody afterwards. Let's see what else do I want to go over?

Speaker 2: 1:11:49

We have the funny video.

Speaker 4: 1:11:52

I've seen that one before and I so let's go ahead and play the video, and then we'll take some questions sounds good uh, colonel grossman's books are are worth reading because it kind of gets you into psychology of of being in that situation and you read, you'll read situations like he goes over.

Speaker 4: 1:12:17

It wasn't until the Vietnam war, where he started desensitizing people to killing, that the rates of of combat went way up, like what they found, especially during the civil war. There's a lot of times that firearm, you know, the guns, were unfired even though they're in battle because guys just couldn't bring themselves to shoot at somebody else. It wasn't until training, right before the vietnam war, at boot camp, uh and basic, you know, depending on what branch of the military you're in, um, that they just desensitize people enough to where it was easy for them to pull the trigger on somebody else. So, yeah, his books are great. To watch on combat or to read On combat is a good book to read to kind of realize what the mindset you're going through and psychology of killing is. Let's see.

Speaker 2: 1:13:08

I think we mentioned active self-protection on the last video. But for those who don't know.

Speaker 4: 1:13:13

Rob's a huge fan. Rob's a huge fan of that guy.

Speaker 2: 1:13:15

So I pay for their, whatever their premium services. Like they have an app, you can watch their videos on YouTube, but I pay for the app and, yeah, the main host is.

Speaker 2: 1:13:28

I mean, I'm sure he's a great guy. I know he's me a little, but he's a little. Anyways, it's worth it, even if you don't like the host, which you very well might not. They have really good stuff and, like I said, you can watch most of their stuff for free on YouTube, even if, even if, for whatever reason, you don't carry a gun or can't carry a gun, the videos are good for recognizing situations, situations, and he talks about self-awareness and he he talks about the ooda loop all the time. Like it's worth it for. And the videos are usually 10 minutes. So, yeah, watch a 10 minute video on it a day and that alone will pay dividends, even if you don't carry a gun, but another good one to watch yeah another good one to watch is uh shiv works.

Speaker 4: 1:14:15

Um is a guy who he does. He does a lot more with close combat, close to counter uh uses of knives. Basically, um and he. They do a lot of videos showing like the lead up to an event happening. Like they'll watch two guys like you know john at each other. Like they'll watch two guys like you know John at each other, and then he'll start pointing out like hey, you know you can start seeing he's starting to make pre-fight. You know movements and clenching his fist and you know messing with his clothing and such, right before it happens. So those are other good ones to call it on the war.

Speaker 2: 1:14:56

One. I don't know how he pronounces his name, and that's always a red flag for me.

Speaker 4: 1:15:00

Anybody who's named after a body part that isn't that pushes up excrement you probably need to be be cautious of. He's his thing is he's an attorney, right, and his only thing is he likes to shoot right, he's never been in a situation. He has no experience with it. But I also don't trust anybody that was still pushing the 320 when all the issues were happening, right, and he finally put out a video, kind of like walking it back, but then now he's going full forward with it again, right you?

Speaker 4: 1:15:30

have to understand a lot of these guys are bought and paid for by whatever.

Speaker 2: 1:15:35

I thought he was bought and paid for by FN. Every one of his favorite guns is FN.

Speaker 4: 1:15:43

A lot of these GunTuber guys are under the umbrella of the Leviathan group, which is like a PR group. They're the ones that get them all their sponsorships and their ads, and such Grand Thumb used to be under them. Um, he, he just recently went out on his own away from them. He figured he didn't need them anymore, which he's right. But almost every gun tuber out there that has more than 100 sub 100 000 subs is under leviathan um, and there might be one onesie and twosies here and there that aren't, but just keep in mind that they're all. That's what you'll see them all Like. For example, when the Springfield echelon came out, they all of a sudden, like the next day, they all had the same video come out reviewing how great it was. Oh, it's like the.

Speaker 2: 1:16:23

SIG GTO. The two 11 just came out and you you think, in a world where sig has done what they've done in the last six months, that everyone would be a little hesitant to not jump on a brand new gun from sig.

Speaker 4: 1:16:39

Nope, they all came out with the 211 video within three days of each other you'll see, you'll see that a lot um, and just be aware that they're all under the same. The same, basically, who handles everything for them and gets them all their sponsorships and everything, which isn't a bad thing, but YouTube channels are expensive, especially with guns, especially with ammo.

Speaker 2: 1:17:02

I mean, yeah, I get that they need to make money for sure. This is a question of who in the industry, and not that the guys who have take sponsorships aren't trustworthy. You just have to know where the money's coming from.

Speaker 4: 1:17:21

Yeah, but so be aware that you know, their opinion may be colored by money.

Speaker 2: 1:17:29

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:17:29

Right, and what they're coming out with. They're pushing a product. They're probably being paid to do that, unless they're forthright. There's a what's that guy's name? There's a guy who, like he's man, I try to remember his name, I don't subscribe to him because he just really does reviews on guns, but he'll be forthright. He'll be like like hey, they gave me this gun for free, um, and it's a horrible gun, don't buy it, right? Um, and like, if you're honest with that about that stuff, hey, they bought this gun, they gave me this gun for free and I liked it. I get that. You know cool, right? Um, you got it for free and it didn't. You know, it wasn't so bad that you weren't willing to say you liked it.

Speaker 4: 1:18:12

But just just be aware there's a lot of drama in the in in gun tube, right, and just be aware, like a lot of these guys, they don't have any experience other than shooting guns. So keep in mind that their opinion they're giving you is based off theory more than practical application. You know, like hop focus brass facts, like none of these guys were police or military. But I'm also going to tell you do not put police and military on on a pistol, right, police officers on average fire 50 rounds a year to practice, and that's it, right. And if it's a female cop, god bless you. You're.

Speaker 4: 1:18:57

You're probably not going home that day, but do not, do not take everything I save you know as as the gospel truth. You need to go out and figure these things out for yourself. And if I give you a good piece of information, research it. I don't know everything. When I teach firearms, I tell guys all the time you need to go out and figure these things out for yourself. And if I give you a good piece of information, research it. Right, I don't know everything. When I teach firearms, I tell guys all the time you need to go out and get trained from other guys and figure out what you like and put that into practice. Right, I'm not going to know. I'm going to know a way. I'm going to teach you a way. It's not the best way at all.

Speaker 2: 1:19:28

You need to go out like everything else, it's always developing I mean appendix carry was is is very recent in a sense, you know um.

Speaker 4: 1:19:42

So yeah, things are always developing and and things change, you know so yeah, and things are example that the global war on terror is the reason that we know that tourniquets being on you for more than 24 hours won't cause you to lose that limb. Right, because we had a lot of instances. We got more advancements in trauma medicine because of global war on terror than anything else, because of global war on terror than anything else. Right, those are things that were learned the hard way. That's the reason like right now with the conflict in Ukraine, they're having a lot of those Chinese knockoff cat tourniquets are failing and guys are dying because of them. So that's why it's hard to find a Chinese-made cat tourniquet on Amazon. You really have to look for it. We're going to do a show on medical. We've got a guy in the telegram group who's a paramedic, uh, who's going to come on and and really just give a a good medical show.

Speaker 2: 1:20:40

by the way, this is, this is the police, someone in law enforcement who is attesting to the fact that no one trains look, even we got feds in our chat man.

Speaker 4: 1:20:54

They're out to get us, but it's the. When you call the police, just know you've probably shot more than they have, right? Um, I don't know where I was in my previous train of thought, so, um, let's play that video. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:21:13

Um, and then we'll get in and we'll answer some questions. This is a video that I've seen it before. It is funny in its original form, and by we, I mean Adrian had Taffy edit it, so I don't know how well Taffy edited it. We'll see.

Speaker 4: 1:21:26

He did a good job. Y'all need to tip Taffy, he does so much for this channel?

Speaker 2: 1:21:31

Yeah, he does, I don't know why. Honestly, he likes you is pretty much what it is. The video he's got for the next show with Anthony and me is, let's just say it shows my inner thoughts at the canonization of Carlo. So Taffy edited this, even if he didn't do a perfect job. I think the worst word in the original video was a euphemism for a part of the male anatomy. So it's not super terrible. But we told you, guys, we were going to try to do a clean gun show, so we want to try to give that to you. So here we go.

Speaker 5: 1:22:17

In a defensive scenario, you never want to go for the face, you always want to go center, mass or, my personal favorite, the dick. If you make the mistake of trying to rob me oh you freaking doves, guess what? You're getting a shot towards the dick, reason being the pelvis actually holds up the whole entire body. If you take that out, they are now in mobile and you get to shoot them in the body armor. No problem, shoot them in the someone's taller than you. No problem, shoot them in there.

Speaker 2: 1:22:45

Moral of the story I'm probably gonna shoot you in the now for people who don't know that it's a serious thing, like he's not just he's not making fun. It's called a shot to the pelvic girdle and it no, if you don't die you're not standing up anytime soon no.

Speaker 4: 1:23:06

So when you've got, when you have to shoot right, um, the easiest shot that's going to put them down is the best Center mass is good because you have a choice between a switch or a pump right. So the switch would be the tee box, basically the eyes and the nose right, and if you shoot somebody in the switch they're stopping whatever they're doing. It's game over, you know. That's why you have a lot of tier one groups who practice shooting so much so they can shoot the switch, the tee box, because if they've got a suicide vest or whatever, they're not able to actuate it. But other than that, you have the heart and the lungs, which are pumps right. Your lungs are pumping your oxygen around your body, so you can keep going. That's why any guys who shoot, if you shoot them in the lungs it just takes a while for that pump to fail.

Speaker 2: 1:23:58

Right, it could take five seconds. They will die.

Speaker 4: 1:23:59

Yes, they can do things for a couple minutes and then if she shoots somebody in the pelvis, the amount of blood in the pelvis just in the pelvis bone, right, uh, well, somebody will bleed out. But if y'all have ever experienced anybody who's had a hip injury or a broken hip and the amount of pain they're in and they can't move, right, uh, that's what you're doing when you're shooting the pelvis. So we're doing immediate action drills and failure stop drills and such. In the marines one of the ones we did all the time was shooting the chest and then finishing up one in the hip because the hip is just as good as shooting in the head like an upside down mozambique yes, they would.

Speaker 4: 1:24:37

Usually we would shoot to the chest one of the pelvis, okay, because it's. They're not moving, they're not going anywhere and they're probably going to bleed out within you know a few minutes. You know five minutes or so. Um so, the pelvis is a real target. Use it on everybody, yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:24:55

Absolutely. And I suppose there's a greater. If you say aren't exactly on with the pelvic girdle, you're still probably hitting something, Whereas if you're trying to go for the tee box and you miss, you're probably getting air.

Speaker 4: 1:25:13

I mean, even if you hit them in the leg, you have a really good chance of him in the femoral artery which they're gonna bleed out right. Hopefully they don't have a tourniquet, but you know, any way you can cause them. The massive will be out, because that's what kills somebody. It's not like just the impact of the bullet, it's what the bullet did and what's draining out, especially with handgun rounds yes you're.

Speaker 4: 1:25:33

You're gonna need to shoot somebody with a handgun multiple times to put them down Multiple times, like four, five, six times, to really stop them. Quick, one shot, they can live through it. We had a guy in Afghanistan who got shot in the gut, missed his spine by like half an inch. He still has that bullet in him today, right, because it was just not worth them getting it out. Um, they just had to, you know, fill up his guts and everything. Uh, yes, even a 45 um. Problem with the 45 is it's slow. Um, there's not a lot of ballistic advantage to it anymore, not with the advancements in especially 9mm ammo, unless you're shooting that .45 out of a full-size 5-inch 1911, that round might not even expand If you're shooting out of a 3-inch gun or something like that.

Speaker 2: 1:26:25

It might not be going fast enough to expand.

Speaker 4: 1:26:30

Alright, do we have any questions? Skyway, I all right, we have any questions, you take them now skyway I yes skyway they are.

Speaker 2: 1:26:40

When I said no, I wasn't answering the question. I was saying no, we're not answering the question, but yes rob is on his nick. Fuentes art oh, my gosh, um. What are your thoughts on uh, on level and jaeger?

Speaker 4: 1:26:58

uh, they have a lot of experience and they've done a lot of good things for the community, john level. So I will never, as Rob said, participate in circular fire squads. Everyone who's on our side is on our side until proven otherwise. John Lovell's fine. He puts out some good training. His training's a little expensive. You can get adequate training or equivalent training through other people for cheaper. He's got the brand name.

Speaker 4: 1:27:35

It really is. But he also like, if you're subscribed to his Warrior Poets Society Network, it's a great thing to be, especially for kids, you know, because my kids love Kentucky Ballistics. Yeah, they love Kentucky Ballistics.

Speaker 2: 1:27:50

My boy yeah, we watch it together. They love it.

Speaker 4: 1:27:56

But it's a good thing to be subscribed to for all the information that's in it. His shop has got some pretty proven equipment in it if you want it. He's on our side. Now, theologically he's stupid. He's just like, like, like most Protestants are, especially in Georgia, right, cause he's, he's in Georgia and they're they're ate up with like anti-Catholicism.

Speaker 4: 1:28:22

But he now, james Yeager, he's, he's had some, he's had his funny incidents. That's not really been him, but the guys that do his training for him. Like 10 years ago they were doing training and his big point a lot of times he tried to drive home was your firearm's not a safe queen, it's a tool. You need to use it. Don't try and keep it from getting scuffed up, don't try and keep it pristine where it doesn't look like you never use it, you need to use it. And so one of his trainings, one of his trainers, had one of the guys shooting, throw his gun on the ground and like kick it and stomp on it and it went off and shot somebody's truck, right um, which is stupid. Like. You still need to abide by the four. You know four rules. But um, James Yeager, uh, was your, your average man who, um, uplifted himself out of the situation he was in to be able to bring training to a lot of people, and his training was mostly good, um, you know, and he tried to. He tried to impart a lot of his knowledge and he had some. He tried to. He tried to impart a lot of his knowledge and he had some. He had a situation where he was kind of a lambasted about how he reacted in Iraq when he was working as a contractor.

Speaker 4: 1:29:40

But there's two, three sides to a story. Um, you know, and, and all we have is video from one side and we don't know what led up to that video or what happened after that video. Um, and you can go out and find it. James know what led up to that video or what happened after that video? Uh, and you can go out and find it. James, the james hickory video I'm talking about if you want to watch it. But yeah, I'm not familiar. He he was. He did a lot of good, um, and he was no nonsense like he was. He was a two by four against the head when it came to the information about things um, since you mentioned it, for anyone new to guns, what are the four rules?

Speaker 4: 1:30:13

So my rules I teach my kids right. The first one is you always treat every weapon as if it is loaded. So the first firearm I give my kids is a BB gun, and I get them used to just carrying that thing around without anything in it, and so they get used to never flagging it. Flagging is when you point the gun at somebody, right? So that's the first rule. Second rule is uh, and they can be the four rules we've taught the marines are not what I use now uh, because one of them doesn't really apply, uh.

Speaker 4: 1:30:44

But the second rule is uh, keep your finger straight off the trigger till you're ready to fire, right. Third, one can be keep your weapon on safe till you intend to fire. And then, really, the fourth one now that I use is know your target and what lies beyond it. Right, because your bullet will go through things. Right, if you're shooting in the house, um, at an intruder, it's going to go through the intruder, then it's going to go through the drawuder, then it's going to go through the drywall and it's probably going to exit your house. Nine millimeter will go through car doors, easy On a car. You are not protected by the outer shell of the car. In fact, pretty much the only thing you can be protected by is the axle Axle on the engine block.

Speaker 4: 1:31:27

Even now, the engine block won't really protect you Because most engines are made with so much plastic it'll go and there's so much gap that it's not really now if you, if you're driving like a 1980, you know, 80, you know, uh, was it a chevy, small block chevy, you're probably fine yeah, but um, your bullet will go through everything.

Speaker 4: 1:31:48

So know your target and what's behind it. That's why you, when you watch body cam videos by cops and you'll see like they're starting to pie off so that there's not another cop on the other side unless it's a female she doesn't really take those things into account every single time. A cop, right, uh, but know what's beyond your target when you're shooting as well. So that is so. Treat every weapon as if it's loaded. Keep your finger off the trigger, keep your weapon on safe until you're ready to fire.

Speaker 2: 1:32:17

And then know your target and what lies beyond it. Yeah, For me, almost all the same. Your number three would be for me, don't point the gun at something unless you're ready to destroy it.

Speaker 4: 1:32:28

Yeah, but that goes with rule number one.

Speaker 2: 1:32:30

Yeah, that's all. And the thing with the rules is you can break one of them and still be safe. And there are times where, like I mean, there are times where you know, like dry firing, you're technically breaking one of the rules, but the rules are designed where it's. When you start breaking two or three of the rules where things get really, that's when it gets dangerous.

Speaker 4: 1:32:56

But yeah yeah, absolutely all right, let's see what else we got.

Speaker 2: 1:33:00

Let's see, there's a do hollow points over penetrate yes, they can.

Speaker 4: 1:33:07

yeah, yeah, especially, it depends on the barrel length, it depends on the firearm um, it depends on the firearm, but if it doesn't get enough velocity for it to blossom out, basically, and when it hits. So you'll see a lot of ballistics videos where they're shooting ballistics gel and you'll see them where they'll put like denim in front of it to try and get it to simulate an actual body, somebody wearing clothes, and it still will go through. You know, 24 inches of gel block, right, most of us aren't 24 inches thick right it's going through.

Speaker 4: 1:33:38

You's going through the chair behind me, through the wall behind me, right? Probably going to make it into the yard somewhere. May even hit the house somewhere, right, if somebody were shooting at me here, so they can. Yes, now hollow points are are intended to blossom out, um to to really limit. But it also depends on the firearm you're shooting out of and the barrel length. If you're shooting out of a sub-3-inch barrel pistol, it's probably not going to blossom out as much as if you're shooting out of a 5-inch.

Speaker 2: 1:34:10

It's almost counterintuitive. Yeah, it's almost counterintuitive. With the hollow point, the lower velocity, you actually have a greater chance over penetration because it's not reading that velocity. It needs to, like you say, pedal out. So then it's, it's staying at a, you know, a dense ball of lead and it will just continue to travel. Um and, for instance, um. It's something you need to be mindful of, depending on where, where you live, at what times of year, like here in Minnesota in the winter, people are wearing a heavy coat, you know, a hoodie, a t-shirt and all those layers of clothing can actually plug the, the hollow point to where then it also will not blossom out and will potentially over penetrate. There's, there's different ammo designed to to handle that, like, like cornity has the. They plug the hollow points with little piece of rubber to prevent that. There's external hollow points, like you use g9, I know um.

Speaker 4: 1:35:09

So there's, there's different options um, you also have to if you're like in this, in this comment. The windshield does not affect the trajectory of your bullet as much as you think it will. Um, so I've, I've fired through, especially in training courses, I've fired through a lot of windshields and it really doesn't change. Um, most cars, cause I don't know if y'all noticed it lately windshields are not made of what they used to be like.

Speaker 4: 1:35:37

I go through a new windshield like every six months because, like a random rock will hit my windshield and it'll just spider like in it, whereas before, like I get you know, rocks that hit my windshield all the time and nothing would ever happen. So windshields aren't as thick, especially now when you get into a lot of these vehicles that have, uh, the, the, the lane assist and all that. Um, they can't be thick because there there's a membrane in them that has a sensor to be able to look through and cameras can't look through very thick. The cameras they use don't look through very thick uh windshields, so it can affect it a little bit, especially an older car, but newer cars it's going exactly where you think it's going to go.

Speaker 2: 1:36:22

Let's see. Here we have a couple more. I don't know how how familiar you are with revolvers, but thoughts on a hunt 158 grain wood cutters, wad cutters or semi-wad cutters and 38 special revolvers as opposed to hollow points it depends.

Speaker 4: 1:36:42

I mean, it's, it's all use case scenario. Um, I don't shoot a lot of revolvers mostly because, uh, it's 2025, um, but, um, there are use cases for them.

Speaker 2: 1:36:57

Like, I would buy like a hammerless j-frame of some sort, just, to keep it in a pocket, especially like super hot, yeah, jimpans, something like that yeah yeah, but um, the problem with revolvers is the limited ammo, but it's also better than nothing.

Speaker 4: 1:37:12

So if that's all you have, um train with it, get used to it. Get used to reloading, because there are speed reloads.

Speaker 2: 1:37:19

Uh, on on revolvers, um, but you're always going to want to use hollow points because the last thing you want is to shoot somebody and they live the one thing I would say is, with the um, with wad cutters and and hardcast and stuff like that, for revolvers there's there's kind of two use cases. I foresee one super short barrel j-frame revolver, something like that. Um, you might not get, you know, good performance out of certain hollow points, you know, just because of the super short barrel. So then a wad cutter, you know, is probably better than like a hollow point that's not performing or like full metal jack or something like that.

Speaker 2: 1:38:06

But also then wad cutters or hard cast bullets, you know, with a higher power revolver, .357, .44 for woods carry. You know with a higher power revolver, a .357, .44 for woods carry, you know, I think that makes sense. But yeah, on a human, you know, if I'm carrying my .44 Magnum with a hardcast, you know 350 grain hardcast bullet, I shoot at a human. It's going to go through three or four people before it stops because that's meant to go through a grizzly or a moose or something.

Speaker 4: 1:38:35

But like the video with the guy who shot the bear right. He shot that bear with 55 grain Hornady defense ammo. Uh, five, five, six, um, and you know I don't I. He was saying that none of them went out of the bear, I believe it.

Speaker 2: 1:38:54

Yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:38:56

So your use case and your needs. You need to go out and shoot, buy an extra box of whatever your defense ammo is. Make sure your gun cycles it first of all. Like my, glock 19 does not like anything other as far as defensive ammo. Right, it'll shoot pretty much any full metal jacket, but uh, defensive mode that it really likes is the hornady, critical duty, the g9 and the federal hsd. It loves those and I've never had an issue with any of those. Um, I have had issues with other defensive ammos. I have to look at it. It starts with a, b, but I had one issue with defensive ammo. It was jamming like every five rounds. Whatever the reason, I don't know what it was. My gun and the Glock 19 just did not like it.

Speaker 2: 1:39:49

Especially true for micro compacts and stuff like that. They can. They can start to get really picky on uh, what ammo they they go what ammo they like. Which is why I mean you know the federal hst, spear, gold, dot, hornady, critical defense and stuff like those are kind of like the three gold stars that work in almost everything.

Speaker 4: 1:40:13

We don't need a third hole anymore. You can buy a super safe trigger now and you're going to town. Force reset. Yeah, yeah, you don't need them anymore.

Speaker 2: 1:40:27

Black bears commit 60% of bear attacks. That's so funny. Commit 60 percent of bear attacks only because, um, there's a couple other in here, let's see so this one.

Speaker 4: 1:40:43

um, yeah, the way my house is the master's on the main and all my kids are upstairs, right? So someone breaks into the house. Uh, uh, first thing I'm doing is giving my wife a firearm and telling her to lock the door and not answer the door for anybody, and she'll know it's me because we have a. You know, we have a system there. But my first thing is I'm going upstairs to protect the kids, or I'm at least getting to the stairwell to keep them from going up there, and then, you know, hopefully I can get the kids out, because we looked at we were trying to adopt a couple of years ago, and when you adopt, they have to come through your house and make sure your house is suitable for kids, even though I already had four kids, what's that big thing with the blanket over it in the corner?

Speaker 2: 1:41:28

Don't worry about that or that one.

Speaker 4: 1:41:34

That's a dummy full of tannerite, don't worry, man. Um, but uh, well, I had to buy these ladders for all the windows at the second floor, um, so all the all the bedrooms upstairs have went, have ladders to be able to go out if I need to. Uh, but the first thing I'm doing is I'm making sure my wife's armed and I'm going to protect the kids, right, and I'm taking my I, my bedside, you know, go to war gun is a 300 blackout suppressed, because if I have to shoot somebody out I don't want to wake up the kids.

Speaker 4: 1:42:04

Um, so you also would like to hear, for the rest of your life too I mean, there's that your, your, your body will block it out, right, uh, the adrenaline will push and it'll block out the sound. You'll be fine. Now, if you're in a prolonged gunfight in your house, yeah, you're probably gonna lose some hearing eventually, uh. But if you're just shooting four, five, six rounds, you're, you're, you won't need air pro. Your, your body will block it out. When your body receives too much stimulus at one time, um, and it's a prolonged amount of stimulus, it learns to shut it off, whether it's sound, whether it's, uh, drugs, right, that's why guys eventually have to take, you know, use more and more drugs to get the same high. It's alcohol, uh, whatever it is, your body gets used to it and it starts to to really block the effect.

Speaker 2: 1:42:51

So, if you're in the house now, I I like suppressor because, again, I don't want my kids to have the trauma of knowing, like daddy shot somebody last night that's where mr bad man bled out, right over there I had to get new towel floor yeah, so so for us, um, we put all of our bedrooms down in the basement actually, and we turn the area at the bottom of the stairs into the master bedroom and the kids' rooms are off of that. So anyone coming down the stairs is coming right into, basically, our master bedroom. And you know the our plan is we have space on either side of the bed. So my wife opens her, gets her gun, goes in the room with the kids in one of the gathers the kids, moves them to one of their bedrooms, locks the door, starts them climbing out the window, basically, while I basically hole up at the bottom of the stairs, yeah, and we may need to do a show on this, like how to create a plan for your house, like some considerations you need to have because you need to.

Speaker 4: 1:44:08

Your kids need to be aware of this stuff, yes, and and your kids need to be aware of this stuff, yes, and your kids need to be situationally aware too, yes, like when you're out and about, like my kids know, we don't tell anybody that daddy has a firearm right, nobody needs to know that.

Speaker 2: 1:44:21

Your word, for it is my favorite. I don't know if you want to share publicly. Well, my wife and I have used medical device in the past. Do you have your medical device on you? Of course, yeah.

Speaker 4: 1:44:34

But having a plan for your house. It may not even be an intruder, maybe like a fire, like what do we do? Right, when you get the kids used to things like that and get used to like there's a there, there's a process of something happens, one that takes a lot of anxiety out of them, right, cause, like my kids, uh, we were talking about you know what, if there's a fire at the house one day, and like they start having nightmares about having a fire in the house, right, um? So then you know, once they're aware, like hey, we've got a plan, this is what the plan is, um, you know, I've had those conversations with them. Uh, it does really, it relieves the anxiety a lot, for sure, yeah, um I like a nintendo switch better did you see the um video of the uh chicago?

Speaker 2: 1:45:20

gangster telling that uh yeah, saying the national guard doesn't want to show up because there's a hundred thousand of them with switches have you ever?

Speaker 4: 1:45:29

have you ever seen a guy shoot with a switch?

Speaker 2: 1:45:32

I've seen them spray the broadside of a barn with one.

Speaker 4: 1:45:36

yes, they hit nothing, nothing. Grand Thumb did a video on it where he took a Glock switch and he shot seven yards away in an entire candy bar like 30-round mag mag and hit once. This is a guy who's trained in shooting, so these you're you're very unlikely to actually get hit. If somebody should get you the now there's like 10 of them shooting at you at once You're probably going to get it there's numbers yes, yeah, so it was what we call suppressive fire 38th are okay, it's better than nothing, right?

Speaker 4: 1:46:20

yeah, get a nine if you can. It's ubiquitous, it's everywhere. You can find the ammo everywhere. Um, it's very hard to find a nine millimeter, especially a semi-auto.

Speaker 2: 1:46:27

That's not reliable and if, if you really like a revolver or want to, you know, a backup pocket gun or something, you can get those in nine millimeter too. You need a moon clip, but you know it's so, especially if you already have a nine millimeter semi-auto, you can get a nine millimeter revolver. Share the same ammo, things of that nature uh no it's not really important no I run suppressors.

Speaker 4: 1:46:54

Uh, I already have enough hearing damage, I don't need more. Um. But I like suppressors for two reasons. One my 300 blackout. You have no idea I'm shooting it if you're any more than 10 yards away. Yeah, you can't you. Their whisper came in.

Speaker 2: 1:47:08

Yeah, you have no idea now the action of the gun makes more noise yeah, especially on bolt actions, man.

Speaker 4: 1:47:16

but, um, I have a suppressor on my 556. That's not for sound suppression, more than anything it's to reduce the signature of the rifle, right? I don't want, guys, if I'm shooting smi with my 556, it's so they don't see where the shot coming from and it suppresses the sound enough that it's hard for them to discern, hearing wise, where it's coming from is more what it's about for it. And now it helps a little bit, right, any like when I go shooting at the range, I've got Apple iPods in and ear pro on top of that. Right One, cause I'm probably listening to something while I'm shooting.

Speaker 2: 1:47:52

But two you know, if you do, this is anthony really gets him in the mood.

Speaker 4: 1:48:00

I just tend to shoot faster when I'm listening to anthony um. But the goal is is to help out with your hearing a little bit um. But it also will increase the ballistics because it's pushing if you don't, if you have, if you don't have a flow through, if you have a normal suppressor right, the old school suppressor it's pushing more behind it and it's actually giving you a little bit better ballistics. Uh, it won't make your gun more accurate, but it will give you a little bit better speed on the round and they're just uh, especially at the range.

Speaker 2: 1:48:34

They're just more pleasant to shoot for you and everyone around you like and plus.

Speaker 4: 1:48:38

The first rule of shooting is always look cool.

Speaker 2: 1:48:41

They look so cool especially, especially if you put a cool cover on them.

Speaker 4: 1:48:48

You know yeah, you gotta be careful with those man.

Speaker 4: 1:48:51

They, they, they, they'll, they'll, they like over ease yeah yeah, if you're shooting a lot, they'll overheat the suppressor and cause more wear and tear on it. But otherwise, if you don't have a cover on, then it's the forbidden popsicle and you don't want to touch it. Um, you have to be very careful with it. You know, especially if you're you hang a sling right, you're hanging the weapon and it taps against your leg, you're gonna have a nice little scar. Uh, stances like stand kneel, take a knee.

Speaker 4: 1:49:16

Um, you should learn how to shoot in every single way. Um, get accurate standing still first. Right, get your fundamentals. Take a class on somebody to teach you fundamentals and then start learning how to shoot. Taking a knee behind barriers, moving and shooting, shooting from the ground. Get used to how all these feel when you shoot and you can understand what your accuracy is like. So if you're having to be on the ground underneath a pew at church and you're having to shoot at a guy's feet, how do you do that? How hard is it going to be for you to be able to get a sight picture on that target? You should learn how to shoot in every single way. Let's see what else we got. Um, let's see here, and I'm real far behind on dart on the comment.

Speaker 2: 1:50:11

So this was talking about um just situate like observe, observing people. So he's asking like we should learn what the normal is and looks for what's out of place or what's abnormal. I guess my question that I would add on to this is what do you do when you're in a new place and you're not sure what that baseline is?

Speaker 4: 1:50:33

here in the west. Um it, it translates the same pretty much everywhere. Um, when you get into other cultures, uh, it can be hard for us in the west. Like you know, when I got to afghanistan, the first thing I had to learn was these people can lie better than anybody you'll, because they don't care about lying, especially to the infidel right. They it's they don't care, right.

Speaker 4: 1:50:56

So, but here in the west, anywhere in the united states or australia or europe, um, everyone pretty much acts the same.

Speaker 4: 1:51:04

You have to be aware of the people that aren't from that area and you they'll stick out like a sore thumb right or, and you'll or you'll see people acting weird.

Speaker 4: 1:51:13

You know, you'll see people that are constantly fidgeting, right, they're probably on something of some type, you know, some type of narcotic, some type of chemical of substance of some type and which is going to change the rational capability of making decisions, and they're going to be much more irrational in their actions.

Speaker 4: 1:51:37

And the best thing you do is, right now, just to get used to it. When you go out, just start people watching, looking at people and looking like you know, keeping an eye on the people, that, because your gut instinct is going to tell you as well, you're going to be drawn to somebody that a little bit out and you can't figure out why. Well, keep an eye on them and try and figure out what that is, and then you can start establishing a baseline for yourself. Now that you know this and you've heard this and someone's brought this to your attention, you're going to start noticing things you didn't notice before right, and so it's a matter of just keeping tabs on those things and learning from one of um, something I started to do kind of for fun after I started carrying was kind of like trying to play a game, trying to notice who else like is carrying.

Speaker 2: 1:52:19

Because once, you know, once I kind of got used to it and figured out you know how I had to change how I dressed um, how I carried myself, things like that I noticed I could start to pick that up on other people and you know, I kind of became surprised at how many people it looked like was probably carrying that I would have never noticed before. I mean, is there other I don't know if I want to call them games, but other games like that, like people can, can do to help train this sort of behavior?

Speaker 4: 1:52:52

um, you know, like I said, people watching is one, but, uh, you know, you can, one thing that I used to do with, you know, with uh friends, when we used to go out, um before I was married, was we. I would watch people with them and we would try and put like a story to like why they were there, right. And then once you start putting some type of context, then you're trying to justify why they did what they did, and then things will start happening that don't make sense, right, even though you're making up the entire situation in your head, right. Then you're starting to start noticing like he keeps reaching in his pocket for something like you know what is that he's? He's fidgeting on something, right, and it may be nothing, it may just be like a you know, kids used to have fidget spinners, right, and whatever.

Speaker 4: 1:53:38

Yeah, but it's just a matter of keeping an eye on things and starting to just look at people's behaviors and, if you need to create like context to it of why they would be there, if you go to a coffee shop and you're sitting down and you're doing some work or whatever, and just like, start looking at people and trying to figure out their dynamic, like are they married, are they friends, are they dating? Um, and that you'll start to see little clues on things um, that kind of give you an indication of of some of their behaviors and some of their actions and some of their thoughts and things like that.

Speaker 2: 1:54:17

What about backpacks with armor plates inside? Are they worth the price and reliable for some sort of defense against being shot?

Speaker 4: 1:54:26

Yeah, you're probably going to get some soft armor that goes in it that way it doesn't make it too heavy. You're probably going to get, like, some soft armor that goes in it, that way it doesn't make it too heavy, which is the most likely situation that that person is going to be in, that they're going to need. So when, when it comes to body armor, you have different levels on what will stop it. Okay, you have level three, level three, a level three plus up to level four. Level three and three plus will stop just about everything in the united states, just about everything. Right, you can get soft armor at 3a.

Speaker 4: 1:54:59

That'll stop almost all handguns which is the most likely firearm you're gonna you're gonna come in contact with level four will stop up to 30 out six armor piercing, which I don't know anybody who's ever even seen 30-06 armor piercing. Your grandpa he used it against the.

Speaker 2: 1:55:17

Japs in World War II.

Speaker 4: 1:55:20

I've heard stories of my grandfather because he was a machine gunner in World War II at Iwo Jima. You just can't buy that stuff. It will stop it, but it's heavy, is the issue.

Speaker 2: 1:55:31

I have level 4 plate. Level 4 is going to be plate. Right, they don't make level 4 soft armor.

Speaker 4: 1:55:39

You're only going to get 3A and something, it's going to be ceramic. Stay away from steel only because steel's good for training. So if you want to wear your, if you have a plate carrier which is like body armor which you see in all those shows for those of you that aren't familiar um, steel is good for training because it's heavy and it'll help train you on being able to carry that weight. But the issue with steel has been is spalling, exactly. So what spalling is is when a round hits the, the steel, it spreads out, it basically splatters right and a lot of times what you're worried about is it coming up hitting the chin, because there's a lot of blood vessels under here. It can hit right into your extremities or down into your legs, yeah, yeah, down into your groin, uh, which is a lot of blood down there, which we talked about earlier with the pelvis shot. But they have come up with anti-spall um and I have seen a lot of testing with steel plates, especially now when you get into what is called level 600 uh steel or it's. You know, 600 uh steel um, which is a lot harder um, but the the issue is it still is super heavy. You can get ceramic plates at like half um, and now you can get ceramic plates that are just the same price as steel.

Speaker 4: 1:56:56

Um, who is it? Uh, republic armor, is that who it is? They regularly have sales. You can buy two plates for like 300 bucks. Um, like I have, I have level four. I don't wear a plate carrier a lot, or really hardly ever. I more have it to give to my wife and the kids for them to have, to protect them from anything getting shot in the chest, but it doesn't stop you getting shot in the pelvis or the extremities or the head. You're mostly covering your heart and your lungs. But as far as the backpack armor, it's probably going to be 3A, it's going to be soft, it's going to stop handgun rounds and that's the most likely thing that you or your kids are going to come in contact with.

Speaker 2: 1:57:44

That's everything I had kind of saved.

Speaker 4: 1:57:49

I was way behind on comments. I was way behind on comments.

Speaker 2: 1:57:55

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Speaker 4: 1:58:20

where's that one that you had about the bernie shirt?

Speaker 2: 1:58:23

so I was just. I was just starting stuff to show you.

Speaker 4: 1:58:25

I don't, I don't know so that, um, when antifa was going on there, the proud boys, what they would do is they would go around and find the Antifa and find what cars they came in and slap Trump stickers on their cars. So the Antifa would vandalize their own cars.

Speaker 4: 1:58:47

From here, the shows I have lined. Well, we have lined up Next Monday. We've got Chivalry Guild coming on, the guy who runs the Chivalry Guild Twitter. He does a lot of good content. If y'all don't read his stuff, you need to and he goes a lot into how Christianity is much more militant than it has been over the last 60 years. There's a lot of good content about what righteous anger is and things of that sort. His book is fantastic. If you don't have it, he's coming out with a second edition of it. Um, but he's coming on. And then we've got um.

Speaker 4: 1:59:29

Like I said, we've got somebody from telegram chat coming on to do a med show with us. In fact, I just got a new. Well, it's not really an iFact, they call it a travel fact from Refuge Medical. I'm going to be checking it out and I might get Christopher to look at it when we go through it as well, because I have an iFact in all, all of my vehicles and I have a few in the house and it's mostly for especially the ones in the house, or for like, if we have a farm accident right, like, for instance, one of the cows stepped on my wife's foot and and it's been like bruised for like a year. Um you know, but if something were to happen and I'm out like doing some of the fence and I get cut real bad, my kids know where to go get the tourniquet or my wife knows where to go get it, but I have them in all my cars because I'm much more likely to use medical than I am to ever use a firearm. A hundred percent. If I come up on a car accident, I've got the capability to be able to help people out. So we'll have a show on that. So we'll have a show on that.

Speaker 4: 2:00:51

And I've got another show lined up with a friend of mine named Mike Shelby who runs Forward Observer and he's a former Intel analyst in the Army and then he went back as a contractor, as an Intel analyst and he has a really good channel and a really good product on basically an open source intelligence report to kind of give you an idea of what's going on right now, especially around the country. But he also does a really good class on developing what's called an area study, and everyone should have an area study. You should develop an idea of everything that's in your immediate vicinity and what those threats are and what those vulnerabilities are, so you can prepare to deal with them, because Intel drives ops and so he'll come on and he'll talk about a lot of that. So we'll be able to, and I'm going to act like I've never heard of it. So I'm going to ask him some really dumb questions, because I know a lot of y'all I've never.

Speaker 2: 2:01:35

I've never done one, so I'm excited for that one.

Speaker 4: 2:01:38

Yep, it'll be a good show now, um, and then further shows from there. Um, I'm gonna start putting out some, some shorts. Uh, we might do like an edC show, right, like what you know what we each carry, um, and it's it's not only going to be the firearm but like some other things that carry on myself, just in case, um, some other things. But, uh, we, we got some good stuff coming up. Uh, let's see, cause you guys y'all recommend I'll post something I like.

Speaker 4: 2:02:12

I don't know if I'd recommend them, some of them, because, uh, since I got all the marines, it has been really hard for me not to curse as much, yeah, and these other guys don't really have that, uh, that conscious tickling them to get them to stop doing that, um, so I don't know if I'd recommend them, but just because they use a lot of harsh language a lot of times. But I mean, I will post some that I like. Like, you also have Kingpix. He's great, but he's mostly comedy, but he does a lot of good content with some other guys. But I'll post some more that I like.

Speaker 2: 2:02:48

Just go to my Twitter and I'll start posting some what one that I would definitely recommend is uh is paul harrell. He, he died a year ago. Just a year ago, a couple days ago was the anniversary, um, and his brother is still running the channel, but his uh any of his content. That he did is his ballistic stuff was awesome.

Speaker 4: 2:03:13

He would take meat from the grocery store and wrap clothing around it and shoot it to show you how it actually how the rounds actually affected it.

Speaker 2: 2:03:21

Yeah, he'd have pork chop pectorals. He'd have ribs behind that, he'd have leather you know acting and skin. Yeah, it was just amazing stuff.

Speaker 4: 2:03:34

And his humor was just perfect. It was very dry, which I liked. Not a lot of people like that British dry humor it takes some getting used to.

Speaker 4: 2:03:43

It does, but, man, it's so good. How often do you guys fly with your gun in storage? It does depend on where you are going. Obviously, no one is going to carry it openly on a plane, all right, so I will not fly with your gun in storage. It does depend on where you are going. Obviously, no one's going to carry openly on a plane, all right, so I will not fly with a gun. Um, I will not check it because I don't want them to lose it. Uh, it's not a monetary thing, it's a it.

Speaker 4: 2:04:02

When I get there and I don't have it, I feel naked. If I'm going somewhere and it's within 10 hours drive, I'm just going to drop. If it's more than 10 hours, then I just know I may not come home because I'm happy to fly. Someone needs to make a business where you can rent a carry gun and need to find out the legality of it. Right? If I can get somewhere, I can rent a carry gun and then turn it back in when I'm about to leave. If that, if we could find out the legality behind that, that would be amazing, yeah so I, I do fly with guns.

Speaker 2: 2:04:36

I mean I don't fly very often, uh, just because, like I don't know, I have four kids and that means I mean they're flying alone for a business thing or we're all flying together, which is nearly impossible, um, but yeah, I, so it's doable. Like adrian said, they very well might lose it. So don't put a gun you absolutely need or as super expensive. You know you need it. It's got to be one you're willing to lose or have have lost, um, and it's definitely a pain. But, like anyone who was here at the beginning of the show, you heard the story where they didn't lose it. But because I fly to and from you know a small airport, like when I got in at 11 30 there was it was locked in a closet somewhere because everyone went home. Yeah, you know. Then it's like, well, that's the gun I was planning on carrying with me home and my home's two hours away. I don't want it to. It adds a complexity. So either be willing to deal with it or, if you're not, be willing to go without a gun.

Speaker 4: 2:05:45

Yeah, and if you're flying somewhere and you plan on carrying, you need to know the laws that are there. Yes, because you could get wrangled, like, for instance, with the suppressors. If you cross state lines, I have to call the ATF and let them know that I'm going out of the state with my suppressor I have to follow form with them, right, but even still like I won't drive through Illinois, right, because?

Speaker 2: 2:06:12

they are very unforgiving on concealed carry.

Speaker 2: 2:06:14

I drive around or I don't bring the gun, it's just worth it to drive around. So one app I use for that and I don't know if you can use it without subscribing but I use an app by USCCA which is kind of like a concealed carry insurance sort of program, even if you don't use their insurance. If you can try to use the app it's worth it. But it's a reciprocity map. So I tell it what sort of concealed carry permit I have, from where, and it will give the laws that, or it will show which states I can carry in. And so, like we were traveling to michigan tomorrow, I have a concealed carry permit in minnesota. Um, so I just click, you know, it shows me michigan accepts reciprocity from minnesota. Click on michigan. I read all the laws. Um, you know, like so, for instance, michigan has a duty to inform. You know, like so, for instance, michigan has a duty to inform when you're contacted by law enforcement.

Speaker 2: 2:07:17

So the second law enforcement contacts me in michigan. I have to tell them. Minnesota, there's no duty to inform. I'm not used to it. You know, if a cop pulls me over, I don't have to tell him. If he asked me, do I have a gun? Yes, I have to be, but I don't have to inform. So yeah, you have to be aware of the differing laws.

Speaker 4: 2:07:34

Yeah, yeah, let's see. So if they ever pass the nationwide reciprocity for concealed carry, I think that business idea would have a lot more standing. Yeah, if somebody wants to invest in that, you could probably ship your gun to an FFL before you get there. Have a lot more standing, yeah, uh, it's my. If somebody wants to invest in that, um, and you know you could probably get around you could probably like, ship your gun to an FFL before you get there and then pick it up from them. Maybe you could do that. I'd trust that a whole lot more than take it with me. I'll play True.

Speaker 4: 2:08:09

Now you're, you can only really do FedEx. A lot of firearms are stolen from them. If you ever see some of these channels that are for companies like Palmetto State, they're putting out stuff all the time like how many firearms are stolen on shipments from them all the time. But national reciprocity you're basically just buying back your right, and the Second Amendment is the only one that you have to buy your right back. Hopefully that will change, but who knows? Do we have any other questions?

Speaker 2: 2:08:51

So yeah, there are states that offer out-of-state permits, like florida is one.

Speaker 2: 2:08:56

So I think arizona's one yeah, so figure out what states you want. Yeah, like you travel to semi-regularly, figure out what states they accept permits from. So, like I knew I didn't do it, I should have at the time, but, like when I, the place I signed up for to do my minnesota class also offered at the same time, uh, out of state florida, same class, they would. They just, you know, for an extra 50 bucks. They do the paperwork for the out of state florida. Yeah, I should have done it because with a min permit and an out-of-state Florida permit, you can carry nearly every state at that point.

Speaker 4: 2:09:36

Yeah, Just stay away from the Northeast. True, it's like a communist wall up there that in California the kind of guns that Californians have to buy, they have to be altered and they're approved through the state. Stupidest looking ars in the world I'm so dumb looking I don't know how. Who, uh, who's that guy? Who's out of california, um, who caters to a lot of guys who shoot out of california. I can't remember his name, but he does a lot of california content. And the guns I see him shoot it like they have the fin behind the grip on the ars because they're not allowed to have a pistol grip unless you have like an.

Speaker 2: 2:10:18

You know, grandfather, um yeah they're some of the laws they're talking about for minnesota. Now, because of this recent shooting, uh, I think the the worst parts are probably not gonna to be able to be passed, but I wouldn't be surprised if they do a 10-round magazine sort of thing. I don't know.

Speaker 4: 2:10:39

I hope not, and as well. If you want to buy a suppressor, I would do it now. Yeah, after January, when the $200 fee goes away. Right now, a lot of these suppressor companies are building up stock to be prepared for January 1st, but after January 1st, if you buy a suppressor, it's going to be way more expensive than it is right now, just because the demand is going to be a whole lot higher because you don't have to pay the $200 tax stamp fee. So if you want to buy a suppressor, do it now, and it's super short.

Speaker 4: 2:11:12

When I did my last suppressor, I got it in less than I got it in 47 hours Right Now the suppressor I got before that it took me 14 months.

Speaker 2: 2:11:27

So if you can do it now do it. Silencer shop is good. Silencer Central is fine.

Speaker 4: 2:11:32

I did the PSA route for my PSA, very similar to Silencer Central. They do the same thing and, you know, a PSA for guys that may not want to come out of pocket $1,000. You can use Sezzle, which is like a 0% 4 month payment plan type of thing, but they'll go ahead and send you the suppressor and then you pay for it over the next whatever 4 payments are. But you can buy very good suppressors for like 400 bucks. Uh, yhm, makes a really, uh, really good suppressors. You don't have to buy a super expensive one. Um, now, some of them are going to work better than others and have better sound quality than others, but most suppressors are going to be perfectly adequate for what you want.

Speaker 2: 2:12:13

Yeah, a lot of the super expensive ones are just super lightweight titanium ones for people carrying them hunting into the backwoods. It's just not necessary for most guys. That would be amazing.

Speaker 4: 2:12:27

How about a two-hour return time? Basically, you put in the application, you go home, have lunch and you come back. That'd be amazing.

Speaker 2: 2:12:35

Tffy's question on 380. It yeah like bobby, and bobby answered it is the bare minimum. Um, yeah, you know, I every once in a while I will carry a 380, like well, the ppk I just bought is 380 um, I mean you could get by with the 22.

Speaker 4: 2:12:51

You could, yeah, um, I wouldn't be shooting out past 10 yards, but um, you could get by with a 22. Like I have a kel-tec p17. I bought that thing for like 160 bucks. Um, I'd carry that if I had to. Now I've got a 22 suppressor on it and that thing is super fun to shoot and nobody has any idea I'm shooting it. Like that's something like I'll just carry around the property and just like shoot occasionally and nobody has any idea I'm doing it. And 22 ammo is super cheap. Yeah, you know, you can buy good quality 22 ammo for like eight cents a round.

Speaker 2: 2:13:22

So you can buy a thousand rounds for like 80 bucks and there are lots of newer rounds too that are coming out. That they're they're not popular or common now. They might not ever be, but you know, I mean 5.7 is new and that's really a 22 caliber round now. Is it same as the 9 millimeter? No, but it's. It's a hell of a lot better than just the 22 magnum or you know 20 long rifle or 22 magnum. And there's there's other new rounds too that are are coming out. I think we'll see you know caliber smaller than than 38, you know, which is 38, 380, nine millimeter. Yeah, um, that, that end up being really good um.

Speaker 4: 2:14:06

I wouldn't carry 40 um, mostly because it's very snappy um. The fbi back after the la shootout um back in the 90s switched from non-millimeter to 40 because they had better ballistics.

Speaker 2: 2:14:23

They went to 9 to 10. Found their guys can't shoot 10 and that went yeah, yeah is it.

Speaker 4: 2:14:30

40 is like a marriage between a 9mm and 10mm. The issue with the 40 is my first Glock I had was a 40, because that's what all the cops were carrying. I was like, oh, that's all I'm going to carry. The issue is the follow-on shot. After the first shot is very hard to reacquire your sight picture and now the ballistics on the 9mm are very close to a 40, you're better off with the 9mm.

Speaker 2: 2:14:56

You get an extra round or two, usually with 9 as opposed to 40. And it's cheaper 40 is more expensive.

Speaker 4: 2:15:06

Yeah, on a flow-through can, you're looking at minimum $1,000. But the reason for a flow the way that a suppressor works. When the round goes through the barrel and it and it goes through the suppressor, the suppressor is blocking a lot of that gas. That's pushing it back through the gun. So you end up getting a lot of gas in the face if you don't have it properly calibrated. But even if you have it properly calibrated you're still going to get some right. A flow-through can it works very similarly. It's not going to have as good sound suppression, but a lot of that extra gas is falling behind the round, so you're not getting all that gas in your face. So if you're concerned, if you want to be an organic shooter, then go with a flow-through as well. But flow-through eventually the technology will catch up to a conventional can shooter, you know. Uh, then go with a flow through as well, but flow through eventually will the technology will catch up to a conventional can it's cleaner for the gun cleaner for you.

Speaker 4: 2:16:01

It's not as hard on the gun yeah, at all, because when you're pushing all that gas back it's it's forcing a lot of it onto the gun and causing it to to to slam harder right.

Speaker 2: 2:16:12

So when your bolt is going is rotating, and allowing that firing pin to go through is putting a lot more wear on the gun one of the one of the downsides to them is depending on you know the the gun you're running and the its action and gas system. Um, it might what you. I guess the rounds that would cycle with a normal suppressor through that gun may not cycle with a flow-through because you're losing some of the gas pressure that would otherwise operate the action. So it depends, yeah.

Speaker 4: 2:16:46

All right, we have any other questions, otherwise we're going to call it.

Speaker 4: 2:16:48

I was going to say you've got to get up early and I've got to get up early. They just keep coming. We're going to call it. I was going to say you've got to get up early and I've got to get up early. They just keep coming. We're going to keep having these, right? If y'all have more questions, put them in the comments and I come back and I check them the next day and I'll answer any questions I can. That are in there and I check it over the next few days. But otherwise we've got another show coming on Monday. We've got Chevrolet Guild coming on. I don't know how long we can have them, hopefully for at least an hour, but we can answer more questions than if you'll have some. But again, leave them in the comments otherwise, because I'll look at them.

Speaker 2: 2:17:20

Rob looks at them and we're both available on Twitter and yeah get on. Adrian's got a lot more expertise than well, we'll get you there.

Speaker 4: 2:17:31

You should shoot, shoot some more. Hopefully you never have to get on a two-way range that's the thing.

Speaker 2: 2:17:39

I wish that the nearest place for training opportunities or four, you know, four hours away.

Speaker 4: 2:17:45

But really there's. Uh. One of the guys I'm looking to get the class through is regular guy training. He's a good follow on YouTube as well. I like his videos he makes fun of Asians.

Speaker 4: 2:17:58

He's an autistic Asian right, so he's really nit and gritty with the numbers. But he's a really good follow to be able to watch his stuff. But he's got a class here in Alabama, probably I think. It's about an hour and a half away from me and I think the total class is over two days. You're shooting just about 2,000 rounds between rifle and pistol, yeah, but thankfully his class is only like $350, because I'm going to be spending another $350, $400 in ammo.

Speaker 4: 2:18:35

But get training guys, and then we'll try and give you all as much information as we can. But that does not, you know, stop you from the responsibility of going out and getting your own training, your own information. You'll need to be going out and studying these things and learning these things, um, because the responsibility falls on you, not on us. We're just trying to be a community here to be able to give you all a sounding board for these things. If you all have things that you all want us to talk about, if I don't know about it, I'll find somebody who does and bring them on. But just let us know, dm us, leave comments and we'll be able to work in whatever we can. Are you going to teach that, bobby? It's legal to buy some ignition rounds now, is it? Yeah, that was just passed in the last month.

Speaker 2: 2:19:27

How bad they hurt.

Speaker 4: 2:19:29

They hurt bad.

Speaker 2: 2:19:30

Do they? They're much worse than a paintball, way worse than a paintball.

Speaker 4: 2:19:34

Much worse than a people way worse than the way worse than a people, way worse than like I've never had a. Well, I take that back. I have paintball draw blood, but on on simulation rounds they consistently draw blood interesting yeah, all right, guys, we're gonna cut it from here. Uh, like I said, leave any comments, that you all have any questions, that we'll answer them. Otherwise, you can get all of us on Twitter and or X, wherever you want to call it. Now, I thought about it. I thought about using everyone else's catchphrases.

Speaker 2: 2:20:10

We should do datavice after we say we got nothing more Dadvice.

Speaker 4: 2:20:19

Never let your kids pick up a frog if they're not prepared to be peed on.

Speaker 2: 2:20:25

Never let your dog eat a frog or toad unless you're prepared for your walls to be repainted.

Speaker 4: 2:20:35

All right, guys, that's going to be it. Y'all have a good night. We'll see y'all soon, thank you.