Michael Knowles on Tucker Carlson

Charles Fraune takes us on a riveting journey into the supernatural battlefield where saints actively combat demonic forces during exorcisms. Drawing from extensive research and interviews with practicing exorcists, Fraune reveals that the Catholic tradition of invoking saints during exorcism rituals is far more than ceremonial—it's a tactical spiritual maneuver with profound effects.

The conversation illuminates how exorcists begin their work by praying the Litany of Saints, summoning spiritual reinforcements who manifest their presence in ways that terrify demons. While not typically visible to exorcists or possessed persons, these saints are immediately detected by demons, who react with unmistakable fear—screaming, identifying the saints with dismissive terms, and often revealing which heavenly intercessors they fear most.

Particularly fascinating is the concept of "nemesis relationships" between specific saints and demons. St. Joseph, bearing the title "Terror of Demons," sometimes appears wielding his staff during exorcisms, causing demonic entities to shriek in terror with each strike against the ground. Meanwhile, saints who conquered particular vices during their earthly lives become especially powerful against demons who tempt others toward those same sins—St. Mary Magdalene, for instance, being invoked against demons of impurity.

Fraune unpacks the theological understanding that demons hate humans partly because the elect will occupy the heavenly thrones forfeited by fallen angels. This explains why saints become such formidable weapons—they've already claimed these thrones of glory, making them untouchable to demonic powers. This cosmic reality shaped early Christian practice, as communities would bring saints' relics to areas dominated by pagan worship, causing oracles to fall silent and establishing new spiritual principalities under saintly protection.

For those confronting darkness or seeking deeper spiritual connection, Fraune offers practical wisdom about cultivating relationships with these heavenly allies. By rediscovering devotion to saints—not merely as historical figures but as active spiritual warriors—we access a dormant power within Catholic tradition that can transform our spiritual lives and communities.

Whether you're fascinated by supernatural phenomena, seeking to understand Catholic spiritual warfare practices, or simply hungry for authentic transcendence in a materialistic world, this conversation offers profound insights into the ongoing battle between light and darkness—and the glorious company of saints fighting alongside us.

Purchase the book at:  https://www.amazon.com/Most-Powerful-Saints-Exorcisms-Exorcists/dp/B0DSHG1D22/

Chapters

• 0:00 AI Voice Cloning Mishap
• 10:21 Michael Knowles on Tucker Carlson
• 19:36 Introducing Charles Fraune
• 21:42 Saints Appearing in Exorcisms
• 27:44 Relics and Patron Saints of Cities
• 36:02 Hierarchy in Heaven and Striving for Holiness
• 44:04 The Occult Connection and Bartolo Longo
• 49:24 Frustrations with Catholic Media
• 57:15 Closing and Promotion of Book

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:11

Once again, ai should assist and not replace human beings. When I'm traveling and don't have access to my studio and I need to add a voiceover to something that I've previously recorded, I'll have our editor use an AI clone, which is a little scary, as he can make me appear to say just about anything. He could even make me compliment those unfunny idiots at avoiding Babylon. Seriously, I cannot believe how obnoxious Anthony is and, trust me, behind the scenes, rob is no better. The only decent one is their intro guy, taffy.

Speaker 2: 0:41

Crap. I chose the wrong one.

Speaker 3: 0:43

Chose the wrong one, hold on, hold on everyone.

Speaker 2: 0:44

Do the other one Crap. I chose the wrong one, chose the wrong one. Hold on, hold on everyone. Do the other one, come on.

Speaker 3: 0:48

Trent's going to watch the beginning of this too.

Speaker 2: 0:49

I know, I know.

Speaker 3: 0:51

Butchered it.

Speaker 2: 0:52

There's one. I got to be careful not to do, though.

Speaker 3: 0:55

Yes, there's one you can't play, but redo that. I can't believe you blew that intro. Trust me no trust me, no one's more mad than I believe. You blew that intro. Hold on just everyone.

Speaker 2: 1:08

Pretend like the beginning of it too don't make everybody sit through the stupid song. Well, I can't. That's hard to do. Hold on everyone.

Speaker 3: 1:13

Hold tight, pretend this didn't happen meanwhile, poor rob just heard me blow my lid off in the green room. Uh, you know what? Tonight's I'm gonna tell you guys, tonight's local show is going to be a good one, because I have a lot of pent up frustration and anger with my peers in the Catholic, in the Catholic commentariat. I'm just like. I'm just like some of these people are just so pompous, man, they're just so arrogant and pompous and I'm just getting tired of it. So you guys will hear me rant and rave over.

Speaker 2: 1:54

Okay, okay, we'll redo it. Let's pretend, let's go. This didn't happen.

Speaker 1: 2:11

Once again, ai should assist and not replace human beings. When I'm traveling and don't have access to my studio and I need to add a voiceover to something that I've previously recorded, I'll have our editor use an AI clone, which is a little scary, as he can make me appear to say just about anything. He could even make me compliment those unfunny retards at avoiding Babylon. Seriously, I cannot believe how obnoxious Anthony is and, trust me, behind the scenes, rob is no better.

Speaker 3: 2:39

We got that was worth it. Yeah, we got trying to say retards. Let me tell you something I don't know if he wants me to say this. We're not playing that one. We have taken shots at Trent on this show, but I still have a very good relationship with Trent. I always respect someone who can take a shot or two and have a good enough relationship that I sent him that video. I was like, okay, with this one coming. I was like, yeah, I don't care, he's happy.

Speaker 2: 3:08

He actually sent trent a really really good one too I did send that one.

Speaker 3: 3:12

I don't think he was a fan trent. Trent's a good sport man. I do like him, um yeah, no this.

Speaker 2: 3:21

He's not the person I'm.

Speaker 3: 3:22

Uh 15 minutes late well, okay, the 15 minutes late. I had a 10 o'clock start in Staten Island today and I didn't get home until I walked in my door at 7.30. I had to jump in the shower. My wife made an amazing corn chowder and I tried to slam that down real quick so I just told Rob it was going to be a few minutes late. It was all on me tonight, not rob, but um, so, um, yeah, there's uh man, we'll talk about that on locals because I, I just I'm getting fed up with people, um, and I will name you're about to pull me on someone yeah, it's getting that bad, but it's just, it's just blatant disrespect.

Speaker 3: 4:01

Um, but whatever, we'll do that later. Um, so michael knowles was on tucker carlson and there's two ways we could go about this, because well, first off already when's it coming on uh 8, 30, and he can only stay till till nine, so he's gonna be on for 10 minutes so we got like 13 minutes to kind of just discuss the michael knowles thing.

Speaker 3: 4:22

I got two clips we're gonna play. Um, we're gonna do the good tonight. Like there, I got two clips we're going to play, we're going to do the good tonight. There's two segments that I wanted to play that are pretty good tonight, because I did send Michael an invite and I hope he responds.

Speaker 2: 4:37

This has absolutely nothing to do with the previous comment about pompous and arrogant assholes. No, it doesn't.

Speaker 3: 4:42

It doesn't yet. Yeah, because Michael Knowles he was just on Tucker Carlson comment about pompous and arrogant ass. No, it doesn't, it doesn't yet, it doesn't yet. Yeah, michael knows, it was just on tucker calls. You deal with us. I'm talking about people on our level, like there's a. There's a difference. You know, when somebody's on your level and and they're acting that way, like I get it. Michael michael's in a different stratosphere than us.

Speaker 3: 5:02

But there's some really good stuff in this interview with Tucker Carlson. I do think it was one of the better Catholic interviews that Tucker has had. Michael kept bringing it back to Catholicism. He did way better than Bishop Barron. And then there's like a 10-minute segment that I think everybody that heard is like oof, all right, but I get it because I mean you're on a, you're having a conversation with somebody that's not Catholic and I get the um, the difficulty in um, like some, some Catholic teaching is difficult, right, I dealt with this when I was talking with my in-laws and the way I learned that you you deal with it is go look, this is not me, uh, doing this. Um, oh yeah, he says he never checks those.

Speaker 2: 5:51

But come on I mean I, margo, did give me his assistant's email. Listen to me every.

Speaker 3: 5:57

You make it like he doesn't see his dms. Everybody sees it. He told the story on tucker about how he dm'd um norm mcdonald. Like everybody checks their dms stop it, come on, he doesn't have them open, he only follows a couple thousand people. You say like I've I followed around 2 000 people. I get a few enough dms that I'm able to check my dms. Come on, that's an excuse that people come up with so that they could get away with pretending they didn't see what you wrote.

Speaker 3: 6:22

Everybody sees their DMs. I guarantee you if somebody important DMs Michael Knowles, he's going to respond to it. It's a silly thing to say he doesn't see it. If he didn't follow me. That's different, because then it goes into that back folder. But he follows me. So yeah, the tricky part, like having those hard conversations, I've found the best way to go about them is to just say look, I'm going to give you what the church teaches and, like I'm a loyal son of the church, these are things that are difficult, that I don't have any control over. I can't tell the church to teach something different, but this is what the church teaches. If you want me to tell you what the teaching is, I will and that's how I've gone about it in my experience to you know, people still get a little hot and heated because they're like oh, so you're saying I'm going to hell. It's like no, I'm not saying you're going to hell.

Speaker 2: 7:12

The church is saying you're going to hell.

Speaker 3: 7:14

The church is teaching and I just am Catholic and I'm not going to not be Catholic because I don't. You know, I think it's mean because I I think that is one of the difficult things about having conversations in modern culture is you can't be mean to people, right? So I mean. But I also know that I was just on with uh nova sort of watch, and people were critiquing that conversation because they weren't pushing on me hard. So, like when you're in a friendly conversation, you don't want to bring something too contentious up and make it unawkward and make it awkward and things like that.

Speaker 2: 7:45

So I watched, uh, kevin's response to yesterday.

Speaker 3: 7:48

That was good yeah, oh right, it was very good. Yeah, kevin, kevin did a response video and I'll be honest, I haven't watched the actual conversation, yet I really I'm dude, I really I think I think I was awesome guy he's just like a genuinely nice guy, so I I really do like him, um, but okay, so why don't we jump into the first clip I put in there, rob?

Speaker 2: 8:08

before we do that, I just want to, um, bring up the the shirts again. So I actually got one of my one of the protect catholic kids shirt on our store. So, uh, I think I put it in the it's in the description of the video. But, um, for those of you who don't know, we created a Protect Catholic Kids shirt with the help of what's his name, keith, keith Nestor. That guy and all the proceeds from sales of these shirts go towards the Annunciation Fund for Hope and Healing. Or, basically, it goes to the parish and kids that were affected by the shooting at the Annunciation uh fund for hope and healing. Or, basically, it goes to the parish and kids that were affected by the shooting at the annunciation hey, and now we're not.

Speaker 3: 8:51

Yeah, we're not getting anything from that. So if you guys want to actually support the show, buy one of the other shirts. I'm just saying rob's always not wrong people.

Speaker 2: 9:00

Yeah, he's not gonna support us buy something else, yeah we actually make money on yeah, yeah, so we have other shirts on here too that we actually make money from. Yeah, but no money from these will go to us. It goes directly to to the families and so far we've sold like 80 shirts for uh for an 800 worth of donation so far you guys really do step up when there's a good cause at hand. Uh, but you know, joe, I think they, I think they do.

Speaker 3: 9:25

I can't say for sure, but I think they do the new merch store is on point like people are getting their stuff now I got.

Speaker 2: 9:30

I ordered this what today's, what thursday? I think I ordered it last friday or monday.

Speaker 3: 9:35

So yeah, the new merch store is on point, so if you guys order stuff, you're going to get it. The last one was like people were waiting months and didn't come through. I'm like very good job picking that new store. So, um, all right, let's jump into it, cause we we do have Charles frown coming on in 10 minutes. Okay.

Speaker 2: 9:51

So which one am I picking here?

Speaker 3: 9:53

Uh, the first one I put in um is why Gen Z is becoming Catholic. Okay, we'll, we'll do the website after.

Speaker 2: 10:05

Molly Molly, look in the description of the YouTube video. It is in the description.

Speaker 6: 10:14

Okay, here we go instinct has been for the last few years that physical reality does really matter, even as I feel like I've had a heightened spiritual awareness and the dead, certain knowledge that there is a spiritual, an unseen realm that is acting on us all the time and that that's as real as anything. I sincerely believe that, but on the other hand, I do see a lot of like ignoring of the physical reality around us.

Speaker 7: 10:42

Yeah, this is why, by the way, you know like everyone's becoming Catholic now. You've noticed a strange phenomenon. Yes, I think this is a big reason why it's people. The decline of religion has tapered off. Other denominations and traditions are growing, but Catholicism in particular is exploding. Why? I think it's because it's a sacramental theology I never would have called that, isn't it? Yeah, 20 years ago, could you imagine?

Speaker 6: 11:07

At all, certainly not. No, the spotlight series had just come out and you're just like. This church is too corrupt to continue and I'm not.

Speaker 7: 11:15

I just want to say again I'm not Catholic, but I strongly agree that there's a revival and I just see it all around me and I think this is why, you know, I mean, the words of the sacrifice of the mass are this is my body, which will be given up for you, you know, and which is mocked, you know. The phrase hocus pocus, like in magic, is a mockery of hocus danum corpus meum. This is my body, you know. Yeah, it's a kind of a hocus corpus, hocus pocus At least that's a popular etymology and I'm persuaded by it. So there's always this mockery in all of the kind of false religions, there's always this mockery of the real sacrifice. But in a lot of religious traditions and I don't cast aspersions, I had a Baptist grandpa, you know, the Knowleses come from Maine. Actually, this is the ancestral homeland of the Knowleses. Amazing, yes, yeah, the ancestral homeland of the Knowleses. Amazing, yes, yeah, I haven't made it up very often but a lot of Puritan in the wood.

Speaker 6: 12:07

A lot of us had ancestors in Maine and it's you know they left.

Speaker 3: 12:12

The whole interview was kind of like this, where pretty much everything Tucker would bring up, michael would bring it back to these little things about Catholicism. And another really good quote he got was from Fulton Sheen, where Fulton Sheen said if you wed yourself to the age, you will become a widow in the next. And it was just like that is what the church did in the 60s. They wed themselves to the age of the revolution and now the church is a widow, essentially.

Speaker 2: 12:47

I saw a quote today on Twitter. I forget who it was from. The quote itself was Chesterston, and he said something to the effect of the saint that converts the age is the saint that is most unlike it.

Speaker 3: 13:03

Yeah, or something along those, yeah, yeah, it's, it's, we've talked about that too. How, like, how, how the the fool can like point out the absurdity of things going on. You know, like, we talked about like, like, uh, with saint francis and stuff. But, uh, pull up ally beth, stuck, stuck, stuck. These tweet. I dislike her. I do too. That's why I want to bring up her tweet. Um, she wrote the popular narrative. So this is solely because she watched knolls on tucker. Um, the popular narrative is that catholicism is booming, but this is not true. According to pew, for every one person joining the church, eight people are leaving. This is worsened since 2014, when every one person that joined, six people left. This study has been cited by the catholic sources, too, who, who are willing to honestly face the position the catholic church is now in. So she goes on and on. She starts citing the pew study, but she actually cites salmons without name yeah, but but see how she framed it.

Speaker 3: 13:58

the popular narrative is that catholicism is booming, but that's not actually the narrative that we all are aware. The church is in decline, we know parishes are closing and everything is in decline. The narrative is that Gen Z, when they find faith, they're not going to Protestantism, they are going to ancient Christianity, whether that's Eastern Orthodoxy or if that's Catholicism.

Speaker 2: 14:21

And largely, when someone leaves the church, they're not going to Protestantism, they're going to nothing. They're going to nothing and they're not actually leaving the church. They haven't been at the church in years. They're just now not identifying as Catholic, that's all.

Speaker 3: 14:35

So so. So Allie is correct about people leaving the church, but I but the narrative that she's trying to frame. That as that's not the narrative and that's not whatucker and michael were talking about. They were talking about gen z coming into the church and the thing is, protestant gen z is in this technological realm where everything is fake, everything, and they're looking for something deeper and transcendent and they're just not getting it at these protestant services with these preachers making these big you you know whatever, these big shows of their church services and things like that. So what they're doing is they're going to find something transcendent and you do not find that transcendence in Protestantism, you only find it in traditional Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy. And that really is the conversation going on in the culture.

Speaker 3: 15:27

I mean, andrew Wilson has been going on Crowder's show, so he's been talking to whatever the producer over there's name. Tim Gordon's going to go on that show too to discuss the Catholic position, but he's talking about icons and the guy's like Gerald is an idiot. Gerald is an idiot, but Gerald is like. I knew that when I actually like crowder, even gerald is like um, one place you guys lose me is on icon veneration and it's like but gerald is thinking about these things, right, and he understands. Like protestantism is silly. He's just still hung up on those protestant attachments where they think that's idolatry, right. But but he, he's. He's in a place where he's going to be swung by the argument we're going to keep Charles in the green room for another two minutes. I want to play the other clip before we bring him on.

Speaker 2: 16:15

Get over to that real quick here.

Speaker 3: 16:18

So this one is Tucker. It's really a Tucker clip, him explaining to Michael his feelings about Pope Francis, and it's just interesting because it kind of shows up like one of the main things we've talked about on this show.

Speaker 6: 16:34

Yep, yeah, the best thing I ever heard from a practicing Catholic in the last five years was no one around is a very close friend of mine and he was going on about Catholicism. I was like, okay, okay, but that pope is just, I just can't. I won't even tell you what I said, but it was hostile because that's how I felt. And he goes, are you sure?

Speaker 2: 16:55

you're not catholic no, it was the greatest thing ever he goes.

Speaker 6: 17:00

Yeah, I totally agree, but he's not the worst pope we've had. Yes, was it completely non-defensive? This happens.

Speaker 7: 17:07

It's like. Let me tell you about the 9th century.

Speaker 6: 17:10

I think that's right. If you want to win people over, don't be defensive. Yes, totally Don't tell me that there's no, that what I'm seeing isn't real. Yeah, yeah, be honest, of course. Of course I mean it is Okay, but I don't know that. I've talked to too many Catholics about Catholicism. Maybe they all feel that way, but I thought that was just a wonderful response.

Speaker 7: 17:29

Totally, you know. We have to remember that the Pope is.

Speaker 3: 17:39

This was the thing that kind of jumped our show off with the Lofton thing, because Lofton was criticizing me for whatever he was and I said don't tell me I'm not seeing what I'm seeing, because what you're asking me to do is on par with like pretending a man is a woman. That's the level of cognitive dissonance that's going on here. Like I see what I see, I'm not crazy, I know what I'm seeing, and gaslighting people is not helpful to the situation. So your best bet is to actually say, yeah, all right, things are a mess, but in reality I mean we've had popes in the past that toasted the devil. Like we've had popes that you know had orgies with whatever.

Speaker 2: 18:17

Francis might still be the worst. Yeah, he still might be the worst.

Speaker 3: 18:22

But you know you don't hide from that stuff. You just address it and you say, yeah, he's terrible. What are you going to do? You know it's still the church Like. The church isn't, isn't changing. So all right, we're going to. I meant to have a half an hour for that conversation, but I do think Michael did a good job. I think there's probably one segment that he's going to catch criticism for, and that was the extra Ecclesiam Nullus Alice portion and discussing Vatican II. The funny thing is I almost as he was saying it, I'm like I sensed he didn't even believe what he was saying, like he. He knew what he was saying he was going to catch grief for, but he was just pitching the vatican two line yeah, the company line basically company line.

Speaker 3: 19:07

He was just pitching, but I felt that he was saying it with shame, like it was. It wasn't nearly as bad as baron telling shapiro that you know, christ is the privileged way. It wasn't that bad, but he did water down no salvation outside the church but, in fairness, so does the entire hierarchy. So, all right, we're going to bring Charles on. It's been a while since we talked with him. Let's bring him on, charles, how are you brother?

Speaker 3: 19:39

Fellas good to see you again, Hello Were you able to hear us while you're in the green room? Yeah, unfortunately.

Speaker 8: 19:44

Oh, all right, I was sitting there in silence. I was ready for you how have you been?

Speaker 3: 19:51

man, it was amusing. Did you happen to catch that interview at all?

Speaker 8: 19:58

No, I rarely have time to watch podcasts unfortunately.

Speaker 3: 20:02

I was gonna say you strike me as somebody who doesn't like keep up with stuff like that and I kind of burnt out on all the you know all the stuff going on in the church.

Speaker 8: 20:12

Now I like to just research. Uh, you know, pious the 12th and backwards, just to and backwards that's a healthy way to go about life.

Speaker 3: 20:21

I would imagine it's like uh, it's good for your spiritual life and your soul. But, um, this, this most recent book I thought was actually really interesting, would you? You went back and you researched uh powerful saints in exorcisms, what exorcists want you to know. So this is basically uh discussing um some of the saints that exorcists call upon in their exorcisms.

Speaker 8: 20:43

Yeah, it actually tackles so many issues, so many traditional teachings that a lot of people are clueless on, like merit, hierarchy in heaven, authority, patron saints, liturgical feasts, so. But yeah, so it was the. I co-authored it with a friend of mine, patrick O'Hearn, so it was his idea. He's written a lot on saints and I've Patrick O'Hearn, so it was his idea. He's written a lot on saints and I've written a lot on spiritual warfare, so he had the idea let's combine these two things because this is a reality. People who keep up with exorcists hear them talk about these saints showing up and like, what does that mean exactly? We talk about that showing up in exorcisms and that reality is just amazing. The exorcisms and that reality is just amazing. The fact that the saints that we're so devoted to, that the church depends on her liturgical year revolves around they're active in this ministry.

Speaker 2: 21:30

When you say they show up in exorcisms. What do you mean by show up?

Speaker 8: 21:38

Yeah, I think it's very important, one of the things that we got clarified for ourselves when we first started doing the research interviewing these exorcists. One of the first things and I was kind of clueless with this, it just glossed over in my research for a long time that one of the first things the exorcist does in an exorcism is pray the litany of the saints. That's one of the very first things and there's a reason. So they intercede, they show up, they're called upon immediately. So it's the practice of the church to call upon the saints for exorcisms, for this whole work.

Speaker 8: 22:06

Then the showing up part is not a vision to the exorcist, typically not a vision to the possessed, though they can sometimes detect something's happening. It's the demon. The demon and the possessed person sees the saint and cries out it's a weapon. The saint becomes a weapon, just like the sacramentals are weapons. The saint is there as a victor, a warrior, untouchable to the demon, someone who's already conquered the demon, is in heaven and saved now. But they'll appear somewhere in the room sometimes and the demon will scream and identify, never by the name but by some kind of dismissive or belittling, like that bearded one for Padre Pio, for example.

Speaker 3: 22:48

Yeah, what was that? What was the most interesting story you came across doing your research?

Speaker 8: 22:54

yeah, I would say well, there there are a lot, let me pick one. Well, one of the things that was really interesting is that a lot, let me pick one. Well, one of the things that was really interesting is that a lot of the modern saints. You know, surprise, surprise, a lot of the modern saints are the ones that are showing up the most. And showing up means to answer your question a little more. Is they just their influence is felt.

Speaker 8: 23:17

The exorcist may have a relic, there may be a connection. We can talk about why you call upon certain ones, but when the saint is named you see the reaction like, oh, that saint somehow has a connection here. That's how you know. But I think one of the most interesting ones is probably St Joseph, to pick from many, which was great. You know, terror of demons. Hopefully he's showing up Some of the saints you hope exorcists are seeing.

Speaker 8: 23:41

They're not always seeing. It's kind of up to God, obviously, who's going to show up. But Father Ripperker relayed this one and we pulled that into our book. That St Joseph manifested. I think the possessed person saw him walking around carrying a staff and smashing his staff on the ground repeatedly, and every time he smashed his staff on the ground. The demon and the person felt it would just, you know, shriek with terror. The surge of fear would just go through the demon and the possessed person would feel it and then tell father what's going on. But I mean not just a subtle, not a subtle apparition of apparition, but a subtle interference intervention, but a big one from, did you?

Speaker 3: 24:22

did you interview um contemporary exorcists for the book?

Speaker 8: 24:28

we did, we um. So we pulled from like videos, published articles, but then we interviewed a lot of living exorcists. Some wanted to be anonymous, some were willing to be public. But we also pulled from a book that I recently published. I got to publish the Latin, the English translation of the Latin text for Flagellum Daemonum. It's a 16th century spiritual warfare and exorcism manual that was popular for 300 years all throughout Europe. It's called the Scourge of Demons in English and Father Menji, he was the father of the exorcist art. So we pulled from that book because he talks about this happening. One of the things he instructs exorcists to do is to ask the demon who the primary saint is that he fears the most. And the demon has to, you know, eventually, under pressure, reveal that name and then the exorcist uses that name, that saint against that demon. So this idea of like the nemesis, that certain saints are pitted against certain demons, has been around for at least 500 years.

Speaker 3: 25:29

Yeah. So he's asking if St Mary Magdalene comes up.

Speaker 8: 25:34

Yeah, she has. Again, we interviewed, we had the count. Let's say we interviewed like seven exorcists or pulled from seven or eight exorcists, maybe nine. That's a small sample and I think if we were able to interview all of them we'd find so many stories, because one exorcist would have these stories but not this saint. The other exorcist would have these other saints. There was not a lot. There were some commonalities but a lot of differences. So St Mary Magdalene has shown up or been utilized, been called upon for issues where the possession case has to do with impurity, with sexual sins, and that's that patron saint. There's that quality, that aspect. If that saint conquered the vice that got this person in trouble, then you call upon that saint and there's a great efficacy there.

Speaker 2: 26:22

You said that it seems like some saints are pitted against certain demons that have been, like you said, sometimes for centuries. Is there a specific reason for that, and does it have anything to do with that saint taking that demon's angelic throne in heaven? Oh, that's a good question.

Speaker 8: 26:42

Yeah, demons, angelic throne in heaven? Oh, that's a good question, yeah, so as I talk um, I don't know if we talked about slaying dragons, but just a little little plug in slaying dragons, this is the first book that really got me started um, interviewing a bunch of exorcists, compilation the teachings of exorcists. There is that that point being made. We talk about it in the most powerful saints and exorcisms as well. One of the reasons demons hate us and there are many reasons, but one of the reasons is they know that the saved, the elect, will take their places, that they had thrones offered to them, thrones of glory. Should they just say yes at their test? But they said no and they forfeited all of that. And we're going to get it, the elect will get it. So when they sense that we are on the way to salvation, they despise us even more. So when we escape their grasp and obtain, like the saints do, to, one of those thrones, then the fear factor just skyrockets.

Speaker 3: 27:30

We've talked about this on the show. It took a while for me to fully grasp the concept of those thrones, and it was really through studying the early church and how there would be a demon's presence in an area and when they would bring certain saints relics to that area, the demons would flee. Or if there was an oracle, the oracle would stop prophesying things like that and then that saint's relics would then become the patron saint of that city and that saint's spirit would actually cover the city and it would be like a new principality that was actually the governing principality of the city.

Speaker 2: 28:18

Yeah, cities went from having patron pagan gods to having patron saints.

Speaker 8: 28:23

Yeah, and that power, the way you described it was great just then, anthony. And there's one. There are some feast days. One priest pointed this out to me when he was explaining the importance of relics is that some of the feasts that the church has is the transference of a relic from one city to another. There's a feast day for that because of what you just said, because the city that's inheriting that relic is about to inherit an abundance of heavenly blessings from this, and the spirit of the saint, like genuinely the spirit of the saint, would then kind of become the principality of that city.

Speaker 3: 28:56

And then you'd have those feast days, like I mean, we, we, we see of um in european culture. They'll have these crazy feasts where they're marching around with the, with the statues of the saints and stuff, and that really is an inheritance that they're receiving from the spirit of that saint and it's a, it's a it's, it's a it's. It's something they passed on through generations. We rob and I did a whole, uh, like a whole segment because we watched this cbs clip about mount. Was it mount vesuvius, rob? I think it was. Do you remember?

Speaker 3: 29:27

I think it was mount vesuvius and the saint, the saint, that um that they brought in, that that saved the city, like that, spared the city from mount vesuvius, and to this day, that saint still, they still have this beautiful cultural enable, yeah well, yeah, and it was like it was just such an awesome thing to like really grasp what was going on in that whole thing, because I don't think they teach us that in, you know, in catechism class, and unless you're picking up books like the one that you just wrote, you really don't, we don't really don't get that kind of catechesis yeah, it was saint gener San. Gennaro, san Gennaro, it was the San Gennaro.

Speaker 8: 30:02

Fest. Yeah, yeah, I mean, this is one of the things I try to do with all my books is dig up all these old teachings. So much is not being handed on. It's really beyond bizarre. But you made me think. One detail about the relics that I learned is that it's logical If you really think about the power. The power of the relics is logical. So we are created body and soul. We are not meant to die. It was not what God willed, so it's a violence. St Thomas Aquinas actually says that we are not a man when we're dead, because the soul and the body are separated Soul's in heaven. So the souls of the saints are yearning to receive their bodies back.

Speaker 3: 30:38

They're earning for it.

Speaker 8: 30:40

Yeah, desire that resurrection. They're kind of unsatisfied, so wherever their body is on earth, like they're keeping up with it, and there is that connection, there's the connection from the soul to the body and, like you were saying, then you sense the spirit, the presence, the act of spiritual sanctifying presence of that saint over wherever the relic is, especially a big city.

Speaker 3: 31:01

Yeah, over wherever the relic is, especially a big city. Yeah man, I feel like we've just totally lost the understanding of that in modern culture. We're so materialist at this point.

Speaker 2: 31:12

Materialist and egalitarian right. That's one thing I feel Protestants have such a hard time with is this thought that even in heaven there will be those that are above you and those are going to be the great saints, and it's hard for us to think of them as sitting on these princely angelic thrones when they are, you know, people who, most of them in many ways, committed some sort of you know sin in their life, and that they've attained something that maybe we won't, even if we do make it to heaven.

Speaker 8: 31:43

Yeah, St Jerome is clear I can't remember where, but he's talking about that issue that there is this diversity in heaven. It's like, basically, how dare you think that when you die, you're going to be equal to the apostles? Yeah, yeah. Being thrown is then like no.

Speaker 3: 31:58

Yeah, rob, that's such a good point because it's almost like the modern christians have gotten this understanding that even even catholics, they think, well, as long as I die in a state of grace, like I'll just go through purgatory I'll sneak in I'll sneak, I'll sneak in through purgatory and I've made jokes like that and things like that.

Speaker 3: 32:16

But in reality we build treasure in heaven, right, and, and heaven is, is a kingdom. And to think that there's not a hierarchy in that kingdom that extends well beyond Christ, our Lady, the Holy Family, the apostles, like that extends down and you start to see like you don't want to be. I mean, yeah, like the least in the kingdom of heaven is still greater than anybody who isn't. But you do want to try to attain treasure in heaven in this life.

Speaker 8: 32:51

Yeah, that's one of the reasons that this book, I think, is so fascinating. It's about the saints. It's about recovering all of the theology around the saints and that we should strive to be like them, that we would essentially waste our lives if we do not strive to to rival them. To rival the saints in heaven not the apostles or some that are out of our grasp, but the rest is up for grabs are nine choirs of spirits in heaven that the demons fell from there.

Speaker 8: 33:20

fires of spirits in heaven that the demons fell from there. There's all this Mary, and God wants us, he commands us to fill our lives with good deeds and he wants us to reach these heights of of heavenly glory. And and we, we got to try. I mean, we know how to try and the saints can help us, they can lift us up there.

Speaker 3: 33:37

Um, we do have some super chats, so we will get to those, I know.

Speaker 8: 33:44

I know people were uh, oh boy, don't read Bobby's I don't, I don't, I don't have that one. You should be out with each other in works of charity.

Speaker 3: 33:53

What is St Paul's or something like that? Um, stop calling it the green room. That term is for ghostly. Uh, okay, I just had my RCIA interview today. The catechist is a woman and told me not to receive Holy Communion kneeling. I said nothing. What do you make of all this stuff going on in modern RCIA programs and stuff like that, Charles? It's like I mean, we see the bishop in Charlotte taking away people's ability to kneel and we do have that article in here because he's now demanding that children be able to be eucharistic minister, whatever that word whatever that means yeah.

Speaker 3: 34:28

So what do you? What do you? What do you make of all that?

Speaker 8: 34:33

hard to say.

Speaker 2: 34:33

You know hard to say we're gonna be a drop, that one on a man you Well, charles is trying to be political correct.

Speaker 3: 34:41

That's what I understand. He wants to be welcome into the diocese.

Speaker 8: 34:45

Right, my diocese. I have been doing things to help the faithful in the diocese. We're all banding together. But I remember Pope St Pius X and maybe you could know where I'm going from there but he warned about modernism. He warned about modernism in the seminaries, and then we see the progression of that. It was unchecked, it was unstopped and then it was unleashed, like 60 years ago, and now we're seeing the fruits of it. So that's what we're dealing with how to stop it.

Speaker 8: 35:14

You know, one of the things in the back of the book it was kind of the chapter eight of the book. We're talking about Most Powerful Saints and Exorcisms is called A Renewed Devotion to the Saints. This was a naturally emerging chapter, in my opinion, from my memory of how we wrote the book. It's all about rediscovering their power, their ability to intercede for us, their ability to share their merits with us, share their virtues with us, share their graces with us. We need to call upon them. There's a power, there's this dormant power that needs to be awakened and Pope St Not St Yet, but Pope Pius XII talks about this Like there are certain graces waiting that Christ is waiting to give the world and he will not give them until we pray fast, do good deeds, stop whining about the burdens and sufferings of this world. Then he will unleash all of these graces, and that's one of the things we're trying to do in Charlotte too. There's this push during the month of Our Lady of Sorrow, oh, you're in Charlotte, yeah. I didn't know you were in.

Speaker 3: 36:09

I'm sorry, Charles.

Speaker 8: 36:10

I didn't mean to put you on the spot. I thought you knew how about that.

Speaker 2: 36:15

No, he thought you were just being a a-hole.

Speaker 3: 36:18

Ant.

Speaker 8: 36:22

I'm not that rude. Oh my goodness, I would have never put you on the spot like that. We got to make this video. You know, entertaining people no.

Speaker 3: 36:26

I went.

Speaker 3: 36:27

I went on a pilgrimage to Italy in December and, um, the whole trip really can be, uh, described as an encounter with the saints, because throughout this whole pilgrimage we went, like we, we saw Eucharistic miracles and things like that, but every time we would go to a tomb of a saint, somebody on that pilgrimage would have an encounter that was like shattering for them my wife, it was, um, saint claire, and uh, like everywhere we went, somebody encountered a saint that they just like they would melt and they're, they would just start weeping and things like that, and it it was.

Speaker 3: 37:01

The whole thing was just because I remember coming back and saying we really should do a series on the saints, because I felt like one of the cool things is when, especially when you're going to Italy and you're going to these ancient churches, the language that they use around the saints, like they describe it as worship. Right, they're saying like his worship began or their cult began, because we're afraid to use those words now, because we're afraid to offend protestant sensibilities, but it there, there really is a cult that develops around a person that lives a life of extraordinary virtue and and like our true devotion to that person and that's what even elevates them to to the beatification process and the canonization process, and we've just lost all sense of that and I think that there's there's a there's something about, when you fall in love with the saint and learn about them, that Jesus really does grant little favors to you because he wants you to know your older brothers and sisters and the faith that came before you.

Speaker 8: 38:07

Oh, yeah, yeah, he definitely rewards us for following his advice. You know, there's a reason he advises us in his church, which is his mystical body, teaches us to call upon them. I mean, if you look at the the um, the colic, the opening prayer and all the prayers for feast days, for saints, you see, the church relies, depends, depends on the help of these saints. Without their help, we cannot. You know, X, y, z like, with their help we can do these things. So we need to, and then a grace is given. There's, there's so much grace available through these saints. Yeah, and I was. I was was mentioning Our Lady of Sorrows.

Speaker 3: 38:44

Somebody actually said the Our Lady of Sorrows book is available from his website, so it was sold out on Amazon.

Speaker 2: 38:51

I think they're asking to ask if it's available.

Speaker 3: 38:53

Yeah, ask if it's available on your website, because it's sold out on Amazon.

Speaker 8: 38:58

That's unfortunate. Well, here's the book Our Lady of Sorrows. It's a compilation of the teachings of St Alphonsus the Gory. I'm surprised it's sold out on Amazon. I just checked before the show, so check again. Maybe it's not, maybe it's the hardcover versus the paperback. I have ordered some so you can preorder on my website, slayingdragonspresscom, and I should be getting in a week. Bad timing to run out. It's such a powerful book and I'm doing all of your books are great, Charles.

Speaker 3: 39:27

That's why I'm not even kidding we don't actually interview authors in. We turned almost all of them down, but when Rob told me you wanted to come on, I was like, let's get Charles on.

Speaker 2: 39:37

I think I got the email the day after we talked with Joshua Charles about the princely thrones of the saints or something like that Good timing yeah it felt like good timing.

Speaker 8: 39:51

Thank you for having me on.

Speaker 3: 39:53

Exorcists used to be a minor order. Does this mean that lay people non-priests were doing exorcisms back then?

Speaker 8: 39:59

This is a really important point. So in the early church the rite of exorcism well, doing exorcisms was not bound to the priesthood. In the early church it was actually like a charism. So there are two ways you could merit the ability to perform an exorcism. Was one you were a priest, given the authority and commissioned by the church, and now that has to be the case where you have to have permission from your bishop to do an exorcism, to do the right of exorcism.

Speaker 8: 40:24

But another way to drive out demons is to be a saint, and some of the great saints would drive out demons simply by being around possessed people, by just saying a prayer, like there's a St John Bosco. He has a great story, I think I have it in my Slaying Dragons book. There's a possessed girl in the pews of a church and St John Bosco came out of the sacristy to say mass and as soon as she saw him, the demon fled and the possession case ended. And St Catherine of Siena, you know a third order Dominican the exorcist would send possessed people to her because they could not. In the end of the possession it wasn't working, so they sent the possessed person to her and her mere presence, her simple prayers her. You know, dismissive commands against the demon would drive the demon out. So you do have that. That diversity, even now, like if you're holy demons will run away yeah, it's, it's.

Speaker 3: 41:11

It's when somebody lives a life of extraordinary holiness. They're able to do supernatural things because their life is so similar to Christ. It's funny because when you read the Gospels and you hear about Jesus performing these miracles, they sound so wild. But then you think about Padre Pio was able to bilocate, and you think about Padre Pio was able to buy Locate, and you think about Padre Pio was able to pray for somebody and they would be, and it's like, of course, the son of God was able to just do whatever he commanded the world to do. You know?

Speaker 8: 41:45

Yeah, and I often wonder about that because, as we're all talking, you know, we're all weak. I think this culture makes us men especially, really weak. And we're not educated, so we don't know what we have, what the powers in the church we have, but we all need to do more. Like there's the possibility that we could be miracle workers Like St Alphonsus no, who is it?

Speaker 8: 42:03

St Louis de Montfort says that in the last days of the church, in the end times, the greatest saints will emerge, the ones greater than all the ones that came before them. Like, what if we're in that age? What if God wants to wake up in us, the supreme holiness? Are we doing the work? This is why things like what's going on in Charlotte and other parts of the world right now call us to penance, to real, powerful penance. But I preach this message a lot, but it's hard, it's hard for me to even do it. But that's where the holiness is, the saints. Look at them. They were extreme mendicants, very austere, very penitential, and if you don't do that, if we don't pray with that, we're not going to make it.

Speaker 3: 42:44

Yeah, it's one thing. To talk about this stuff is another to put it into action. Right, do you know if everyone has like we all have a guardian angel? Do you know if there's a demon for every person too?

Speaker 8: 42:56

Well, as I discuss in Slaying Dragons, everybody is assigned by God's decree a guardian angel. But then if we happen to have a guardian demon, a demon assigned to us, it's assigned by Satan who has no authority so that demon can be removed, can be driven away, can be swatted away like a fly by your guardian angel. So your guardian angel's there all the time, he's never going to leave, he's going to escort you to paradise, but the demons can be driven away. So we don't have a demon assigned to us except by the kingdom of Satan and you can block that.

Speaker 2: 43:30

This is not really related, but I think it can be related. I don't know if you did any looking into the connections that the shooter of the Annunciation shooting had with satanic anarchist groups like the Order of Nine Angles in 764, I think, or 746, one of the two. So I was wondering if you'd heard of either of those groups at all. And then also like if you knew of any particular saints, someone you know who was maybe struggling with the issues that the shooter had. You know any particular saint someone like that could pray to?

Speaker 8: 44:17

You mean the uh, oh, right, the uh, the demonic affiliation, or the mental, certain mental issues, Both, both, I guess. Yeah, um, yes, I did not hear about those two groups. As you all know, I did a lot of work, um, for my two occult books. So, just you know, plug one here, the rise of the occult. Um, I also have two occult books. So just plug one here, the Rise of the Occult. I also have the Occult Among Us.

Speaker 8: 44:37

I did not. I eventually had to stop the research. As you can imagine, it can get really dark, yeah, I would imagine. So I didn't go, I didn't run into those two groups. I probably could have if I kept going.

Speaker 8: 44:46

But the one saint that jumps to mind and he's in that book, the Rise of the Occult, and he the one we're talking about today is Blessed Bartolo Longo, who, it seems, will be canonized soon. He didn't have the same mental struggles, but he had the demonic issues. Remember, he was a satanic priest, consecrated satanic priest, who eventually had a massive conversion and became a saint. He knew popes, I think Pope Pius X. He may have known maybe XII, I can't remember when he died known maybe 12th, I can't remember when he died.

Speaker 8: 45:19

So his canonization could be huge for the church because that elevates the prestige he has in the church, militant, our attention to him. He's already a saint, he already has his reward in heaven. But our attention, our focus, our connection to that, by honoring him as a saint, could unleash a lot of grace for those people lost in the occult. Because the occult does disfigure the mind, the body, the soul, everything, just complete perversion, complete inversion. A lot of the problems we see today, moral problems in our culture, in our world, are a lot of times are tied to the occult and they do share a same morality with occult morality. So it's, it is a very dark, john, uncertain.

Speaker 3: 45:55

John, I don't want to put Charles on the spot with that one because he's in a touchy situation in Charlotte. I'll say for myself I have gone to an SSPX Mass but I don't want to put Charles in that spot For an ad spot. Yes, direct message Rob on Twitter if he follows you. If not, send him an email. I just moved from Queens to Charlotte. Any recommendations on where to attend Mass or who to connect with? That's for you, charles.

Speaker 8: 46:18

Yeah, so Charlotte, if you're in Charlotte you are close to so many great parishes. So St Anne's in Charlotte and St Thomas Aquinas that's where I go. We have still, for four more Sundays, the traditional Latin Mass 1230 and 1130. To check the Mass times, St Anne's is 1230. St Thomas Aquinas is 1130. I don't know if they're advertised, because you remember that weird rule from Francis and then that will continue in October at least. October 2nd, the Feast of the Guardian Angels, is when it stops. How about that? Isn't that nice, that's interesting.

Speaker 6: 46:54

But yeah, St Anne's and St stops how?

Speaker 8: 46:54

about that and that. Nice, that's interesting, nice. But yeah, saint anne's, I think I was a quiet answer to the great ones.

Speaker 3: 46:57

We have a lot of good ones, a lot of great priests yeah, and there's also an sspx down there too that we attended when we went that's in mount holly yeah, uh, every year I ask a patron saint. Uh, ask, ask a saint to be my patron for that year. The saint usually picks me via first, via some sign. Well, ro Robert has a good question Does everyone have a guardian angel, or just baptized Christians?

Speaker 8: 47:18

Yeah, every single human being on the planet ever created. You have a guardian angel Because God destines all of us to be his children. Most of us don't. There are a lot of children of God in hell, unfortunately, but most of us don't make it to that adoption and a lot of us don't make it to that adoption and a lot of us don't make it to heaven. But everybody does have a guardian angel yeah, okay.

Speaker 3: 47:40

So Charles did say he's going to fly around nine o'clock, okay. So what is the name of the new book? Let's plug that. Rob.

Speaker 8: 47:48

Yeah, we get that book up. The Most Powerful Saints and Exorcisms what Exorcists Want you to Know? And actually I'm glad you brought it up. I do have eight copies of this book on my website, slayingdragonspresscom. These are the only signed copies, signed by me, that are available because Sophia published this one. I've published six of my own, but Sophia published this one, so any book you buy from them or Amazon is not going to be signed. But if you get it from me, there are eight copies. It's up now on my website and I'll sign them for you.

Speaker 2: 48:18

Is there a hardcover?

Speaker 8: 48:19

version? As far as I know, there is not. But check Sophia, and all I have are paperback. Check Sophia and Amazon, You'd think they would. I don't know how they operate. I always do a hardcover too, but there are always extra costs involved with hardcovers.

Speaker 3: 48:35

Charles, thank you for coming on. Man, we, honestly, you guys, pick up any of Charles's books. You're going to be happy.

Speaker 6: 48:41

Thank you.

Speaker 3: 48:42

Slaying dragon is a legendary book. At this point, everybody, everybody should have that one. But anything you pick up from Charles is going to be good. And yeah, like I said, we we typically don't interview authors, because we did have a Patrick O'Hearn on, also for his courtship with the saints courtship with the saints. So tell Patrick, we said hello and we will. Yeah. So all right, we'll get you on for the next, for the next book, which I'm sure you'll pump out books constantly.

Speaker 8: 49:21

Yeah, I've got several coming.

Speaker 3: 49:21

This keeps my possibly going awesome. All right, thanks for joining us, brother. Thank you, have a good night. Have a good night, take care um, yeah, he's always fun yeah I like supporting him. It's like uh, yeah, there really are very few like, because sophia asked us all the time right.

Speaker 2: 49:34

Yeah, I get emails from Sophia and Tan a lot and you know they're all good books, which is why we can't do them all.

Speaker 3: 49:43

It's not just that If I haven't read it I don't know what questions to ask, right? But like Charles' books are pretty, you know they were pretty easy to ask questions of Charles pretty, you know they were pretty easy to ask questions of charles. I didn't even have his chapters out or anything where, and it's different if you're interviewing an author where you've read their book or I've talked to them a few times yeah, exactly, but you know, typically it's it's.

Speaker 3: 50:08

And also, if you make the show about the author and the book you don't usually like. Even when taylor came on, when we put his book title like people thought it was just going to be an interview about his book and they missed a good interview, cause that was a lot. That was a really good interview with Taylor, um, but you you're better off titling it something else and then you get you wind up getting more, uh, viewers on it. Now tonight's show we we talked about knowles and tucker, but I really think we should have talked about frad and um scott hahn.

Speaker 3: 50:40

I did not watch that I watched almost all of it and I can't believe how apocalyptic scott hahn is about the situation in the church really very similar things that that I've said about it, in that a lot of what he was suggesting is that the current hierarchy, and even the Pope, are prefigured by the, the high priest and the Sanhedrin in the old, in the old right. So when we see these betrayals by the hierarchy, it shouldn't surprise us, because we've seen this before and that's always how I kind of understood the passion of the church is, by seeing that, as the type Like understanding, the high priest betrays Christ and the Sanhedrin, they convict him. And to see it happening in our own church shouldn't surprise us, because it's actually the story and how it's playing out, and I think, I think, if not, that we'll ever be able to get Scott Hahn, because we're blacklisted from anybody that's ever had any kind of notoriety.

Speaker 2: 51:53

I knew we were going to get back into this.

Speaker 3: 52:02

Anybody, anybody that's ever had any kind of notoriety. I knew. We knew we were gonna get back into this. Anybody, anybody that's even remotely notable in that world, refuses to talk to us. Um, but if I ever got him on, I would want to run.

Speaker 2: 52:07

Just remember, we did choose to be the heel of catholic media that's fine, but come on man, come on man. It's coming from our and now we're gonna be tradding too.

Speaker 3: 52:17

Man, we're gonna be the worst let me tell you something it's gonna be glorious when, when we're so big that they want to come on our show because they want to promote their thing, and I go you didn't help us on the way up. Now you, you pretended you didn't see my dm the way up, or you were on our show seven times and never. I had to have scholars on. Oh, you need scholars on your show, do you Scholars? Yeah, that's on the other side. We're doing that on the other side.

Speaker 2: 52:50

I'm not doing it as in theologians, not inner city youth.

Speaker 3: 52:53

You draw cartoons, bro. You won't come on our show. You freaking draw cartoons, are you? Kidding me.

Speaker 2: 53:02

That's going to be a classic. You were so loud, your mic decided to turn itself off. I'm serious.

Speaker 3: 53:19

I'm sure I saw the thing read out. It's just oh, it's coming back now. Oh it's, it was totally off no, not completely but it totally. Yeah, did you at least hear what I said a little bit? All right, good, I'll do it. On the other side, I love the Scott Hahn. The whole thing was about the apocalypse and the antichrist. It was amazing. Yeah, me too. Me too. I would have liked to like him.

Speaker 2: 53:50

No he's Irish.

Speaker 3: 53:52

I don't even care, we'll do it on the other side. I'm not even talking about him, he's irish. I don't even care, we'll do it on the other side. I'm not even talking about him, he's just one he's the one that said. He's the one that said antelope though you just you, just like I've just had it, like I honestly I've just had it. If I had a show, I'd have you on jd's thanks, jd.

Speaker 2: 54:12

Jd don't, I thought you did kind of. I mean, granted, it was having your daughter taste mres, right, so I understand not having us on that.

Speaker 3: 54:20

But listen, let me tell you something about seamus. He married a girl from my parish and didn't get aunt's permission. No, but like you married a girl from my parish. We've met you. You really Like, are you too good for it? I don't care, piss off, have all your cartoons, I don't care. I'll never ask again. I'm not doing that. I don't care. I have like a limit to where I can be pushed Like it's just like enough, enough, enough's enough. And there's others, there's others, there's others. There's people that have been on this show, people that have been on this show that I just, like you are so pompous. Oh my God, all the people that we work around are like this man. It's sad. Some kid DM'd me two days ago and he's like hey, man, like we would love to get you on. I'm like all right, yeah, I'm like I'm busy the next few weeks. We set a date in october. The guy's got 200 subscribers, it's like I don't.

Speaker 2: 55:24

I don't understand why people think they're so important like now. I'm have to read now, you're right. Did I get back to zealots den?

Speaker 3: 55:29

you should, because people well, I know you told me like I said we need to tell them we're busy till oct.

Speaker 2: 55:35

I just don't remember if I did that. If you're watching this and I didn't, I'm sorry. Yeah, we ought to look.

Speaker 3: 55:41

The next several weeks are mayhem for Rob and I, between the baptism going to Detroit, between I booked a show with Catholic Unscripted on Columbus Day, like there's so many things going on right now, so you guys got to, like anybody that does ask, look, even if somebody said to me, hey man, I'd love to come on, I'm just busy, that would be enough for me. Don't pretend you don't hear me. Don't pretend you don't know who I am.

Speaker 2: 56:09

You know what? We don't need him. We had Gibson, we had Mel.

Speaker 3: 56:12

But that's the point, right. Gibson came, had gibson, we had mel. Yeah, but that's the point, right. Oh, gibson came on our show. That, that's a guy that has an a-list hollywood celebrity, mel gibson stooped down. He was humble enough to come on a show, on some no-name show, when we had what? 8 000 subscribers or something. It's not. It's not. It's not rejection, it's like. It's more like people love the esteem of men and it's like, oh well, I have to make sure the people I associate with are are esteemed men as well, so that people think highly of me. That's what. That's what I don't like. Yeah, if you guys haven't realized.

Speaker 3: 56:55

The show is anthony's therapy this was not supposed to be on the youtube side. Let's go to the other side.

Speaker 2: 57:01

Okay, this, but before everyone on youtube over here. Before you leave, watch the video I play before we end the youtube portion because it is awesome. So anything else to say before before I play this we go over no, we'll play that, and then I'll continue the.

Speaker 3: 57:21

I'll continue my rage on the other side, because there's plenty more man okay, guys, enjoy this all.

Speaker 5: 57:38

Come to the peace of heaven and earth. Come to the table of mentee. God will provide for all that we need here at the table of mentee.

Speaker 4: 57:54

Oh, come and sit at my table when saints and sinners are friends, my way to welcome the lost and know me to share the cup of my love. Come to the peace of heaven and earth. Come to the table of plenty.

Speaker 5: 58:24

God will provide for all that we need here at the table of plenty. Thank you,