Avoiding Babylon
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Avoiding Babylon
New Insights on Annunciation Shooting: Family Conflicts, Parental Dynamics, and Lawmaker Crackdowns (Full LOCALS Version)
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Access to the FULL show on audio!The dividing lines that matter most aren't the ones we spend our time fighting about. As Catholics face increasing hostility in our culture, a sobering reality emerges: when persecution comes, our enemies won't distinguish between Latin Mass attendees and Novus Ordo parishioners. The recent tragedy at Annunciation Catholic Church in Minnesota brutally illustrates this truth.
We explore the aftermath of this shooting, revealing newly uncovered details about the family dynamics behind the transgender shooter. The mother, contrary to initial reports, was a devout Catholic who faced immense pressure from medical professionals, a liberal ex-husband, and Minnesota's radical laws that strip parents of their rights when they refuse to "affirm" a child's gender confusion.
This conversation takes an unflinching look at our cultural collapse, examining how institutions meant to protect children are instead facilitating harm. We discuss the real-world consequences of moral relativism and how Catholics can respond with both righteous anger and constructive action.
Most importantly, we challenge the endless circular firing squads within Catholic circles. While theological debates have their place, the luxury of internal bickering seems increasingly disconnected from the urgent need to build resilient Catholic communities that can withstand growing hostility. When persecution intensifies, the question won't be which form of the Mass you prefer, but whether you're willing to stand for Christ's unchanging truth in a world determined to silence it.
Join us for this raw, thought-provoking conversation about what it means to be Catholic in an increasingly anti-Catholic world. How do we channel justified anger into productive action? How do we prepare our families for the challenges ahead? And how do we maintain hope when the cultural tide seems overwhelmingly against us?
Whether you're a traditionalist or prefer the Novus Ordo, this episode offers critical perspective on the common threats we face and the imperative to build solidarity among all faithful Catholics. Subscribe now and share this episode with someone who needs to hear this message of unity in the face of growing cultural hostility.
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Sancte, sancte, amare morti decadas nos. In taste, there are verrands. Cause your heart, then you're cold. Yes, then you're low. Cause your heart, then you're cold. Yes, then you're low. We can't let them drive, guys. This is just. We just can't let them. We went old school tonight because Taffy's video he's trying to get us into a fight. Yeah, you know what, I should have said something to him, because he sent it to me yesterday. You know what we can play it Really? Which one? You know what we can play it really? Which one, the first one or the second one?
Speaker 1:well, it's like picking a fight with Lofton for no reason. The guy hasn't said anything or done anything.
Speaker 2:It's just like if we preface it by saying Michael, like it's funny, we're not, I don't know I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1:He doesn't have a sense of humor about him. You can't that's why I think we should play the second one well, the problem with the second one is like not enough people know who jason is, you know?
Speaker 2:I know, but I'm just an inside.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's funny. All right, maybe we'll do that later. We'll play that for you guys later on the show. Locals, I'll be. Yeah, it's just, uh, we'll do. We'll do that one a little later in the show.
Speaker 2:Um man uh my wife is an incredible female driver and literally every single man I know is still better.
Speaker 1:That's true. I'm on the phone with my wife the other day and she's, and all of a sudden, oh, I'm like what I don't know. I just ran something over and I hit the curb. I think I'm like you gotta be kidding me.
Speaker 2:Um swear after you hit it.
Speaker 1:Cause? If so, yeah, she, uh, she's my wife. She's not the best driver, um, so yeah, I had, uh, I had, an eventful couple of days. Um, please pray for Kennedy Hall's preborn son, who has a genetic condition incompatible with life and is not expected to live long. After I've had a couple of conversations with Kennedy, they are. His wife is devastated. As you guys can imagine, things like that are a lot, lot more tricky for the woman than they are for the men, especially when, when you're talking about a preborn baby, because men take a little time to bond with the child, but women like from from pregnancy they're already. They have that attachment.
Speaker 2:so yeah, I might make it. I'm not gonna say just as hard, but I think it's hard for men because they know they'll never get that chance at a bond it's a, it's a different, it's a different kind of cross.
Speaker 1:I think it's like a different kind of it's almost like a guilt that you didn't, that you didn't have that attachment, but like for for me at least, I don't. I don't want to say all dads universally, but for me, uh, it took a few months before my kids because they were attached to mommy the whole time and, like they're like when they're infants, I'm like, yeah, whatever you know, but once they like recognize my voice, then it's like all right, daddy's in gear now I have no doubt they recognize my voice.
Speaker 2:Then it's like all right, daddy's in gear now.
Speaker 1:I have no doubt they recognize your voice immediately. I still do not have a boat for anybody asking. They're asking how is the boat? But I do have an interesting story about my uncle's boat. This weekend I've been taking my uncle's boat. Thank God he allows me to use his boat because it salvaged my summer. My motor still has not been delivered, so my uncle's boat's probably like 400 grand. It's like an insanely expensive boat. We had it out on Fire Island over the weekend and when we were leaving I had like over a quarter of a tank of fuel and I'm like I have plenty. To get to the gas station in Lindenhurst. It's like it's a 40 minute ride, but I had over a quarter of a tank. I'm like I'll be fine, I'll get there. So I'm driving and I'm about when.
Speaker 2:I tell you, Did you pull a woman?
Speaker 1:a woman thing on the boat. Listen, I was two football fields away from the stupid gas station. Did you have to have someone tell you when? Not told me, because I have seto, which is seto is uh, you, you pay like a yearly subscription and anything that happens out there. They'll give you a free tow in or they'll bring you gas, whatever it is. So the guy brings me out five gallons of gas just to get me to the gas station and while he's tied up to me, another boat passes and this guy's boat smashed my uncle's boat my uncle's $400,000 boat and took a chunk out of the boat and I'm just like you have to be kidding me, Like I have to explain this to my uncle.
Speaker 2:Oh, there goes, ever getting used the Pennsylvania house again, we'll get into that.
Speaker 1:So he takes a chunk out of the boat like cracks the gel coat bed and I'm like I just called Cito livid. I was like you know, I'm like the guy's supposed to be a professional, like he's supposed to know how to come up and tie up to the boat and I'm like I'm putting the fuel in, paying attention to putting the fuel in, and the guy doesn't have the boat tied up right and the back of his boat clips into my uncle's boat. They felt so bad. They're like, sir, we will fix it, don't worry about it. So they're going to fix it. But I still got to go back and tell my uncle that a chunk is missing out of his boat. I'm so nervous going back there. I'm like I hope he's sleeping Because he was just in Atlantic City over the weekend.
Speaker 1:I'm like maybe he's hungover and sleeping. I'll just talk to him in the morning about it. I didn't want to talk to him about it up in his backyard and of course he's bright and chipper and waiting for me and I'm just like like al, I like I told him the whole story. He's like what is wrong with you? He's like why there's only two gas stations on the on the water where I'm leaving from that I know of I mean there's probably more, but I don't know where they are and one is like right across. I would have had to drive like 30 minutes out of the way to go to the one that was closer or make it to the other one. I made it to the place on less than a quarter of a tank. I should be fine. I'm like while the guy was tied up to me took a chunk out of it. I don't care, no big deal.
Speaker 2:That makes me feel a lot less bad for breaking a screen door.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like honestly he is so good about stuff like that, like he really, if it's just like a monetary thing. As long as nobody got hurt, like he really is, just like all right, did anybody get hurt, am I getting sued?
Speaker 2:That's what he really was.
Speaker 1:I'm not getting sued, and it's just like no, you could probably sue them yeah, if it's just like a you know a couple hundred bucks to fix or something like that, he doesn't bug out about stuff like that. He's kind of just like cool about it. But, um, uh, so all right. So we have a few things we're gonna go over tonight. Uh, if you guys are new here, please hit like and subscribe. But we have um. I don't think we covered the mother too poorly in that in that shooting case. I think we did kind of grant her um that she was a catholic and we our angle was more was she being pressured by elements of the church to go along with this?
Speaker 1:church or doctors, yeah, yeah, church doctors, things like that. But uh, what came out today was really just showing how this woman really wasn't faithful catholic. She was very pro-life, she was very against this, this transition to the point where she just had to like upend her life and leave minnesota because of the laws in minnesota, because they're so twisted, and rob could give us a little bit of insight on that. Then I figured I want to kind of do a little bit of a recap of my conversation on Nova sort of watch. It was really on Catholic family podcast with Kevin and Mario. I should have. I should have told him he pronounced his name wrong, cause he does say Mario, only you would tell someone that I did it when I should have to.
Speaker 1:So I'd like I want to discuss that a little bit. I want to discuss, kind of the internal trad war that's going on right now with um guys like catholic esquire and uh, chris jackson from you know he does the big modernism blog or substack and what they're calling trad inc. Like I'd like to get into some of that stuff. So what do you want to start with? I mean, we should just start with the title, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah. And before we even do that. We should talk about the shirts.
Speaker 1:Okay, I need an update on the shirts.
Speaker 2:So the day that it happened, kale Zeldin for anyone who knows Kale, he's been on the show a few times he tweeted out a picture of um minnesota lieutenant governor. Uh, what's her name? Peggy flanagan, something like that. She's my own lieutenant governor. I couldn't care less who she is, but she had this picture of uh, protect trans kids shirt that she oh, there's kale right there. Yeah, kale's in the show. Um, she wore a protect trans kid shirt like the week that uh the troon in in nashville shot up that christian academy. So she's real classy.
Speaker 2:But um, kale texted me that someone should come out with a protect catholic kid shirt and not 10 minutes later I saw that uh, that keith nester had already created a graphic. Um, so I told keith I'm like, if you don't put that on a shirt, I'm gonna put it on a shirt. He's like. I saw that Keith Nestor had already created a graphic, so I told Keith I'm like, if you don't put that on a shirt, I'm going to put it on a shirt. He's like. He just said he doesn't feel comfortable selling it, which I understand. So we decided to put it on a shirt and all proceeds from selling the shirt are going to go to the annunciation. I forget the name of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, none of us wanted to make money off the tragedy. So, like like kale, um uh keith, everyone was like it's kind of distasteful to make money off of it. So obviously it costs money to make the shirt. So we're not, it's not like every, if you know, if you buy the shirt and it's 40 bucks or whatever cost to make, the shirt is gonna be, you know, covered and then whatever profit is made by the shirt, we're going to donate to the parish.
Speaker 2:And there's, there's normal. There's black, green, navy normal t-shirts. There's a gray hoodie. There's youth, a toddler, even even baby sizes here and like, like at the shirt. I think it says it right when you click it, but it's like the shirt. It's 10 bucks more or less for each of the shirts. We'll go to the Annunciation Hope and Healing Fund. The hoodie's a little bit about 10 bucks too. Some of the kids' stuff is like six bucks of the sale will go to them. So so far it's selling well. I think 53 were sold as of this morning, so over 500 bucks raised for the Annunciation Parish and the families involved. The link is in the description and anyone in the live chat. I also pinned it in the live chat. So please head over there and purchase a couple shirts. Please head over, head over there and purchase a couple of shirts.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's an interesting thing because, um, uh and that'll tie into my conversation with Mario and Kevin Um, uh, I want to. I want to kind of discuss a couple of a couple of things about that conversation. But one thing I took away is um, like, when the persecution of the church comes, I don't think people are going to distinguish between Latin mass Catholics and Novus Ordo. Like there's just going to be the persecution of Catholics. Now I do think a very large portion of those Catholics are going to abandon ship when that persecution comes and maybe even turn on faithful Catholics, but there will be Catholics from all groups that are persecuted because they don't turn from it.
Speaker 1:And a way to even notice that right off the bat is the shooter in Minnesota didn't look for a Latin mass parish. I mean, he just went to a Catholic parish. He didn't differ in history To the one his mom worked at. But yeah, I see what you mean. Yeah, he wasn't like, oh, I have to go find a set of a contest chapel or an sspx it was. He just went to a catholic church.
Speaker 2:So I think that, uh, you know that that does warrant a conversation, it's something that that hit me kind of working on the shirt is like and and I did have this like if that shooting had happened, say, at a sette chapel, this shirt applies just as much to kids there as at a Novus Ordo parish. Like, yeah, we have disagreements. I'm not a sette vicantis. I have strong disagreements with their, you know, with multiple positions they hold, but their kids are as Catholic as mine, Right?
Speaker 2:And I think I think many, many set days, especially those of of good will will, would feel the same about my kids as I would feel about there.
Speaker 1:So what was interesting about that conversation was I guess we could do it now. I guess we'll just get into it now. What I, what I found interesting was I think Mario and Kevin were in a difficult situation and I was in a difficult situation because you go into a conversation like that and your side is expecting you to represent your side Right, and we went into that conversation looking to just have a charitable conversation. So a lot of people in the in the chat not even a lot like a couple of people in the chat were like this conversation is not going anywhere. You know why isn't this happening? Why is that? But it was never set up to be a debate, it was set up to just be a conversation. I had a lot of questions about set of a contest because my whole understanding of set of a contest has been in bits and pieces of things I've learned on Twitter. Essentially, I've never actually learned anything about it. So I went on to ask them a lot of questions. They were super nice and grateful to me and the response was good on all sides. I think the set days that watched it were appreciative that I went into it with an open mind, looking to have a conversation and the trads said I didn't, I didn't like concede so much or anything. It was just just like a couple of guys having a conversation discussing the crisis in the church. Now, I think the crisis in the church is a very real thing and people do come to different conclusions and I I think that we all have to give a little bit of latitude to people that come to a different conclusion than we do. I feel like sometimes I'm the only person that can overlook things I disagree with in a person and have a conversation. I see people the slightest disagreement and they want to just never talk to a person again. I want to get away from that as much as possible. Yeah, so you know, like hats off to Mario and Kevin for not trying to like give me gotcha questions. Like they didn't do that to me and they could have and I might not have had an answer to their gotcha questions, but they did not do that to me. They like I had a question and they would answer it. We do. We discuss a lot of things. We agreed on and just kind of presented what both of our ideas were and neither of us tried to make the other look stupid or not it was. I thought it was a really good conversation and I I would like to see more of those going forward, because I do think there are a lot of people who don't know what the answer is and they want to hear charitable conversations between the two sides without being called an idiot If you don't fall into line with exactly the other one holds.
Speaker 1:Kale said shameless plug If you want to read Dante, come take my course. Let's go to hell. It's geared to adults who are out of practice. I may join that class, kale. I might do actually. So yeah. So then that kind of leads into um guys like catholic esquire and chris jackson. Chris jackson's a phenomenal writer. I enjoy his sub stack a lot and I see a lot of those guys coming at the um. What they're?
Speaker 2:what they're calling trad ink and you you know that term is going to get used to quite a bit more. Oh very much very much soon. Yes, it's going to be used against us I'm going to be the dawn of trading.
Speaker 1:Oh man, it is definitely going to be used I.
Speaker 1:I know it is, I'm not even care, let him use it, I don't care. So I saw an interaction with Dr Kwasniewski, so it all comes down from the Pope, leo with James Martin thing, james Martin thing, and like, you see, you see the, like the, you see the, the what would you call it? The facade starting to crack with the trads who were kind of giving leeway to Leo, and they're starting to be like oh, we're seeing the red flags, we're seeing the red flags. Now, for me, I'm like I don't really care to do people commentary anymore. So that's kind of my position on it.
Speaker 1:Like I told Rob, like I don't, I didn't want to do people commentary anymore, so that's kind of my position on it. Like I told rob, like I don't, I didn't want to do the leo james martin thing as our title tonight. Yeah at all, I just I had no desire to do that. Um, I will discuss it a little bit, but like not from the same angle I think everybody else is I I kind of don't care, because I didn't expect any different from right exactly.
Speaker 1:I don't know what people think they're getting from the leo papacy, but anybody that thinks he's coming in to correct the errors of francis, it's just not what he's not just the leo papacy, the papacy of almost any cardinal that could have been elected.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like, do you not know who our bishops and cardinals were? Like they're all spineless functionaries. Are you joking?
Speaker 1:me, and and we're just in the post-conceal your era, you're not gonna get a pope. That's not a vatican to god, like it's just where we are. So I I've just decided I just don't even care to talk about this stuff anymore for the most part. I mean, if something big comes up, we will yeah, exactly, burke would have been the same.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure. You think burke would have laicized martin.
Speaker 1:Come on, he wouldn't know, um. So I I don't know where this conversation started, but sean albert said uh, this is not surprising in the least, not to those of us who can see that. It's business as usual. Now is the time, dr K particularly, to decide which side he is on. If he does not call out Leo after this, then he supports Martin. Period the same with the rest of trad ink. So Dr Kwasniewski said uh, I'm not on the side of either trad ink or mad, sorry, I guess or mad ink or sad ink, which is what this sub stack represents.
Speaker 1:It's not always everything is grand and we're turning a new corner, or everything is horrible and the sky is falling. I'm a realist and a pragmatist. I take things as they come, the good and the bad. We have we have not we we have not an unequivocally good Pope, for we have not had I think that's what you meant to write, we've not had an unequivocally good pope for a long time and I don't know how long it will be until we get one.
Speaker 1:But I'm not for or against leo. He simply, he is simply my pope and I pray for him. I will die for the truth he speaks, but I will resist errors he espouses. Does it have to be more complicated than that or more ideological? So what, what? What I what? What I would like to see is a little less attacking of Trad Inc for lack of a better term because the perception that they're trying to portray is that there's some coordinated effort led by Cardinal Burke that told the Trads to lay off and not criticize Leo, because then you'll get your Latinist, and it's just not. It's just not. It's just not true.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, did you see that tweet from Stephen Cox?
Speaker 1:It's just not true, you know, and it's like I, I, I, because I really do like Chris Jackson, I really like Catholic Esquire. I think what they, I think what they're like, their, their takes on things are very important, but I don't think the circular firing at one another is helpful and I don't even think the circular firing firing from cities and trads is helpful, and I don't like I, I. I think that we have to get to a point where we start to build some kind of a coalition that is going to raise up a generation that will be able to face what is coming and, when the time is right, there will be a big enough group of faithful Catholics to do what God needs them to do in that time. But I don't see how having another division in Tratestan helps, see how having another division in Tratistan helps, like it's not like these guys are set A's and they're doing what Nova Sorda Watch does. It's like I think they kind of take a similar position to me in which they're like I don't know about the Pope question, I just know things are messy since the council and this is not fixing anything. But I think all the trads that are, even the, even the ones who are giving leo that, that extra latitude.
Speaker 1:I think those guys also kind of know what this papacy is like. I, I, I don't know. I, I, I have not been under any illusions that this is going to be some grand restoration of the papacy. I do think leo said some good things. I think he said some. I don't think he said anything bad. He he's said some good things and he's done some questionable things. I think having James Martin come there days after this Minneapolis shooting is horrific optics, like just horrific optics. I mean, these guys, all of them, including Leo, all thought, hey, let's go after gun control after this and not looking at the and it's not even just the trans issue, it is the total collapse of morality in a culture.
Speaker 2:I think something's up with YouTube.
Speaker 1:Oh, no what.
Speaker 2:The chat doesn't seem to be working, I can't post in it. The current viewers just bounced from 98 up to 331. I don't know that. I think people are.
Speaker 1:I think people can see us but I don't know um can can. Yeah, as long as you guys can see us. Yeah, like saint augustine, saint chat works for me, I don't know. Youtube's been kind of funny, like last episode. It went up to 10 000 concurrent viewers it might be this topic. It might be posting this topic that messes with it and sends bots in and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:I'm not, I'm not really sure, so yeah, I will remove the wrench from you, sir um, youtube suspended ryan.
Speaker 1:I don't know what that's about, but so, um, the I'm not sure um, I, like people, should not have these high expectations of the leo papacy. It's just not, it's reality. So I do think there is something strategic in seeing what he does with the Latin mass, because of what we talked about with with Tim Gordon and Brian Holdsworth, and that if he does loosen some of those restrictions, I know those guys are looking at it like, oh, you're going to take your crumbs and praise him for it. No, but I do think those are valuable crumbs and we'll give it. Look, let's, let's, let's.
Speaker 1:Rob discuss this the other night with Adrian on his Guns and Rosaries show. But if you guys had any idea the obstacles Rob has had put in front of him because of Traditionis Custodis to simply baptize his child a sacrament necessary for salvation, like it is so preposterous and insane. And if there is a lessening of that so that people like Rob, who lives in a in in a rural area, that he has to travel two to four hours to go to mass, if that restriction is lightened up to where he can go to his diocesan Latin mass an hour away, like that changes life for him, mm, hmm. So yeah, there is something strategic in saying, hey, let's not make this Hope's life a living hell before we know where he's going to go on certain things. I don't think it's some coordinated effort coming down from Cardinal Burke or Cardinal Sarah. I think it's just people saying, look.
Speaker 1:And the other thing is like I have such Francis fatigue from from going through that whole ordeal that I'm just sick of talking about the Pope in general, like I really am. I'm just sick of it. I don't care to like follow every single thing that comes out of the Vatican anymore. It's just kind of run its course for me and I wanted to kind of get into some different things. I wanted to try some new things on this show. Obviously, if something big comes up, we'll discuss it, but it's, I don't know, it's tiresome to me. I, I, I watch catholic content all day when I'm at work, just like breezing through to see what everybody's talking about, and literally every show.
Speaker 1:Today was james martin at the vatican. It's like, okay, james martin's at the vatican, did you guys expect something different? Seriously, I'm not in the least bit surprised by this. I'm not disappointed in it. It's actually par for the course and it's exactly what I would expect. I just wish the timing was not so horrific. And it's not even so much that James Martin visited with the Pope. It's that James Martin came out and said what he said afterward and felt perfectly comfortable saying that Leo was going to continue on with what Francis did. So it's like, yeah, it's, it's you know, it's it's messy, it's I don't know Like who, what are you? Going to do.
Speaker 1:Like, what you're going to do is you're going to do the best you can to live your Catholic faith out. You're going to do the best you can to raise your children Catholic the best you can to live your catholic faith out. You're gonna do the best you can to raise your children catholic and you're gonna try to keep this stuff from your wives and children, who might get worried from it. Right, if you're a man like you, don't worry your wife and kids with this stuff. You bear. You bear the weight of the craziness of the vatican. Deal with that, however, you must, and then just raise your children in the catholic faith the best you can. So that's kind of my perspective on it. So I mean I'll I would love to have Chris Jackson and Catholic Esquire on, so let's. Because if I'm misrepresenting anything they're saying or anything like that, I want to make sure I'm not.
Speaker 1:But I do think there is a place for all of us to have these conversations without it being hey, this guy's not acting in good faith, he's just doing it for money and grifting and things like like, I don't think that's helpful and I don't know. I, I, I like, I respect all these guys and I and I, I want to see, uh, I want to see great minds accomplish some things together rather than uh, in internal bickering. And if I have to play peer mediator, I'm glad to do it, I'm glad to do it. So, all right. So let's jump to. Let's jump into the Andy no tweet, rob and we'll get into where we, where the mother was misrepresented here.
Speaker 2:Let me pull that up here.
Speaker 1:That's a good, that's a good tweet. Uh, good comment. Right, you do trust in the providence of god. Do what you can and don't worry about what you can't. Change, like I, I don't know how healthy it is spiritually to be obsessing on every little thing, because I know it wasn't healthy for me. For a couple of you, I thought that, look, there was something exciting about it during the francis papacy of seeing catholics take their more seriously and, you know, rally around bringing back some of these beautiful devotions that we lost after the council. I learned so much about my Catholic faith because of Francis and in some ways I'm grateful for that period because it, like I, learned a lot of things I hadn't been aware of.
Speaker 1:All right, let's pop up Andy Ngo. Okay, so this is Andy Ngo's article, which is let's see, let me bring it up on my thing so I can see it a little better and read it easier. Okay so, secrets inside the Westman family. Has Mary Westman been wrong, wrongly vilified? Mary Grace Westman had been demonized for her son's transition and subsequent violent extremism, but new information reveals the public may have been wrong.
Speaker 1:I spoke with someone who knows the family. Um, according to this source, it was, uh, jim Allen Westman, not Mary Grace Westman, who was the most affirming of Robert's gender dysphoria. Jim is very liberal, as I saw on his social media before he deleted it. Before and after the divorce, the couple's five children allegedly looked to him for affirmation on choices their mother wouldn't support. Mary Grace was very conservative and Jim was not. The source said she had been involved in pro-life activism, had been given birth, had given birth to many children. Because of this dynamic, the kids always went behind mary grace's back to jim for approval of doing things she didn't approve. It just shows you how much a father like we we get on single mothers all the time, but a father has such, oh man, a father that does this in the aftermath of the uh well shooting on wednesday.
Speaker 2:This is from the father's facebook. This is what he tweeted on the day. Uh, derek chauvin was found guilty of the whole george floyd thing, so definitely very liberal, yeah uh.
Speaker 1:In the aftermath of the catholic shooting on Wednesday, ms Westman has been ruthlessly vilified by mobs on social media because her signature appeared on a court paperwork that allowed Robert to legally transition as a minor. In Minnesota. Both parents typically have to consent to a child's identity change, but the source believes Ms Westman was under immense pressure from professionals, doctors and family, all warning her that unless she signed, her son would take his life. This threat is a familiar line for mainstream groups transition or unaliving.
Speaker 1:The online mob rage against Ms Westman grew as Minneapolis police said she wasn't returning contact with them from her home in Naples, florida. She also retained a criminal defense lawyer. Now I'll say right off the bat never talked to the police without a lawyer under any circumstances. Right, I mean, that's just common sense. So yeah, I don't blame her for getting a lawyer, but it's not unusual for someone to not speak to law enforcement without a counsel. Her Florida home was visited by the FBI after the shooting, but no one appeared to be there. According to the media, she was reportedly on her way back to Minnesota to be with her children. Mr Westman lives in Minneapolis and is a geographic information systems application developer for a tech company. The company is a world leader in developing software for digital maps. According to the source, the Westman's divorced due to the values misalignment regarding child rearing. So they got divorced because the mother was a Catholic and she wanted to raise the children with faith and the father was a wacky liberal.
Speaker 2:And it happened when Robert was 11. So probably and this is just conjecture, but it probably happened at the time he started to have that gender dysphoria, I would imagine around the age of 11.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it just shows how man divorce, divorce how much it wreaks havoc on children. Um, miss westman was very much a traditionalist. She had six children in her life, the first of whom, a baby girl, was given up for adoption when the mother was young, miss. So she probably, like she, chose to keep the child first off. Right, she chose to keep the child and give it up for adoption. Maybe that led to some conversion in her heart or something.
Speaker 1:The father worked in tech and was not in not a religious conservative. After the divorce, the father kept the family home in Hastings, minnesota. He later took on a new partner. Miss Westman relocated to a small town in Minnesota where she can see A small condo in Minnesota, where she continued working in the administration of the Annunciation Catholic Church before moving to Florida in 2022. Okay, so the source I'm going to skip a little and go to the source added Mary Grace did not share with us that she signed the identity change for the paper for Bobby. She probably would not have been able to face us, but we all still would have loved and accepted her decision, knowing that her back was against the wall. Now, rob, do you have the the screenshot of the thing I put in there just describing the Minnesota laws that are on the books.
Speaker 2:Let me look real quick. You put it in the I put just a screenshot.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I have it yeah, let's see if we could pop that up, because, um, this just kind of goes into how insane the laws are in minnesota like minnesota is a sanctuary state for transitioners, right so, because the 10 walls. So, basically, if you are in another state and you want to transition your child and your spouse doesn't want you to and you escape to Minnesota, you can do that without your spouse's consent essentially right. So let's be perfectly clear In 2023, tim Walls signed a law written by his close advisor and activist, lee Fink, making Minnesota a grand threat.
Speaker 2:His name is Christopher.
Speaker 1:Okay, I don't. Yeah, I have no idea.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's yeah. In Minnesota, parents are stripped of their rights. Courts assume custody if you refuse to trans your child. A parent can kidnap a child, move to Minnesota and transition their child without completely overriding the objections of the other parent child without completely overriding the objections of the other parent. Doctors can travel to Minnesota from other States and do these things fully shielded by this law. Today we are witnessing the result of this policy. This will continue to happen as long as this law is on the books. Tim Waltz has crimes to answer for this. It's just I think this man, I don't know, like I still don't think she should have signed it. Don't get me wrong, but I understand.
Speaker 2:It's easy to say in retrospect and you know, I think you and I, for instance, like someone it would have to be done at gunpoint, right? Yes, well, either on their end or my end. Something's done at gunpoint, right, yes, well, either on their end or my end, something's happening at gunpoint yeah, there's no scenario where where I could ever, but I mean, there's no scenario.
Speaker 1:But it's also man.
Speaker 2:You know, I I don't expect as much out of women as I do of men yeah, there's something to be said about that, especially women of an older generation like we, you know, we've seen, not that, not that I grew up with kids that were trans, because that that really was like the, you know, the zoomers after me, but like I have, you know, younger cousins that are so I've seen it somewhat growing up, but someone of the boomer generation. They didn't live with that, they didn't see that. They just know the people that they trust doctors, whereas, once again, our generation and those younger do not trust doctors the way they do. Right, yeah, so the, the people in authority that they trusted, tell them that they need to do it and we can say that they made a mistake and they definitely did.
Speaker 1:Don't get me wrong, but it's easy to, it's easy to recognize and say no it's so nuts, because I watched this documentary two nights ago on Netflix and, man, look, if you guys are going to watch it, I'm about to ruin it. I watched this documentary two nights ago on Netflix. Man, look, if you guys are going to watch it, I'm about to ruin it.
Speaker 2:If you guys want to watch it, hold on, hold on. I have a banner for this, hold on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm about to ruin the punchlines of the documentary.
Speaker 2:What was the documentary called?
Speaker 1:Man it's talking about.
Speaker 2:Unknown Number or something right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was talking to unknown number or something, right? Uh, yeah, there's something about unknown number. Let me see, I have it in our um, in our group chat with, uh, jason and Mark. Let me see, oh, it's called unknown number of the high school catfish. But what you see in that documentary is what, what women can do, right? Um, you know what? Maybe, maybe I'll. I'll show you how, how diabolical without, without the documentary.
Speaker 2:Um. What are you doing? I'm going to give you a spoiled.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to, I'm going to do uh, I'm going to show you spoiling a biography. They die at the end.
Speaker 1:I don't want to ruin the punchline of who's responsible, but I kind of just did already. Uh, let me see, hang on like this. I want to show this. We have, we have to go over this. Okay, I got it. I'm gonna put it in the chat. Now hang on. Uh, nope, that's not it. Where are you? Where are you rob? Oh, there, you are. What you doing. I'm putting it in right now. Let's play this clip. Let's play this clip. Show how evil this is. Can you get me a screen?
Speaker 2:Can you get me a screen? I have it, I'm just pulling it up.
Speaker 1:Okay, so this is a minute long, but just look at how diabolical this thing can be when you're talking about this woman. Yeah, so much of it is the mother.
Speaker 3:It's everybody in this had a decision. You are in the perfect place to start on blockers, and she promises to begin giving her estrogen female hormones in two years, Around 13. That's what I think. Yes, you're not going to develop breast buds on the blockers, but you're not going to wait until 16 to start. You know that. Okay, josie received the blockers as an implant in her arm. It's okay if you can cry. So, with all the bravery she could muster, josie held on tight as another chapter opened in this young girl's life.
Speaker 1:Young boy's life.
Speaker 3:This young boy A lot of times. It strikes me that had this happened just 20 years ago, thank you, I wouldn't have been able to give her blockers and she would have had to go through male puberty you yeah, like there's something so she would have survived male puberty
Speaker 1:this is all right. So, like the munchausen stuff in women, man, like the munchausen stuff in women is on such another level of evil that I I don't even know how to describe it. It's like, like that poor child could have had a totally normal life and just been a normal young boy, you know, and that mother did that because of her own sickness, like that. That's, it's just, I don't know. And every one of those doctors, every, every adult in that video should be shot. The wrath, the wrath that they are going to face on judgment day, is just. I just don't. I mean, it's just. I don't know how we have gotten to this place in a culture where that is allowed. I don't, I don't get it like this is you are talking about a monster of a woman people ask how germany could as a whole elect the person they did in 1932.
Speaker 2:And man, it gets easier to understand every day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, when, when things are getting this nuts and like what, like, what do we do? We? Just, we just accept that this is normal. At this point, I, I just don't, I don't know man, I I don't know.
Speaker 1:Like this whole conversation, so, like the, so to bring it back to just the, the pope and stuff, it's like all the, all, the all, the bishops and the pope and everybody's talking about gun control and none of them are talking about the reality of the moral decay of our culture. Right, right, even the video the other day of the little Scottish girl running around with the axe and stuff, like that girl is not a hero either. Like she's just a product of this moral decay in the culture. Everywhere you look is just moral decay, degeneracy. The world is falling apart. It really is Christ or chaos, and you're just seeing the evil of betraying our God happening before our eyes. It's just unfolding before our eyes every day, more and more profoundly.
Speaker 1:I don't know where this ends up, but I, just I. This is why I'm saying it's important that we have these Catholic communities, so that we have a place of refuge, of community with one another, because it's going to get worse. This is not going to get better. You're going to see these kinds of incidents that happen in Minneapolis repeat and they're going to be more frequent and they're not going to distinguish between who was the uber trad and who was trad ink and who was this and who was that.
Speaker 2:I mean, if we're going to try to fight against this, people have to be prepared for there to be bloodshed, because there's going to be, you know, because the enemy recognizes who their enemy really is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they've come for us and they're going to come for us more. Let's see what Tyler says here. So I would not say she is a degenerate. She's just doing what the men over there are afraid to do. The 14 year old girl.
Speaker 2:Oh no, she's not degenerate, but it's saying what happened is a product of a yes and a rightly ordered society that she heard doing that would not have been necessary.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just the whole culture is just cool and it's not just immigration and stuff, it's just the moral decay happening around us and it's all so subtle and it's an all the programming we watch on TV.
Speaker 2:The moral decay is what allow it for that sort of immigration as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely, and it's happening everywhere. I mean, dude, I work construction. Do you know the conversations I hear on the street with these guys? Like the things that they say? I'm just like man, you, just when you work around people who their souls are dead, right, because I mean there's like the majority of people I'm exposed to are just people with dead souls. Right, it's just what the reality is that they're all in like mired, immortal sin, so desensitized to holiness and what's right and what's wrong, that the things that'll come out of their mouths. You're just like man, and it's not even a thing of judgment, it's like a thing of sorrow, like I don't know, I don't know how to bring light into, into their world, where they, where they even could see the things that they're saying about women, the things that they're saying about their own wives, the thing that they're, the things that they look forward to and want to do.
Speaker 2:Like I'm just at a loss for how to even have conversations with so so many people, I think in many ways like the company to get to a point where conversation can even be had like you gotta, you gotta show them, just they gotta see it. You know, through your example.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they may not be able to see it, you know, through their, through their sin, but uh well, what's interesting about that comment even is a lot of the guys will guard what they say when I'm around. But then when, like, they have a little bit of a problem and they're actually seeking something in God, they come to me because they know I'm the guy they can go to, you know. So like they'll guard their conversations a little bit when I'm around, cause especially if they're talking about women and they're a married guy like I don't let that stuff slide. I like I call them degenerates. I'm like call them degenerates. I'm like, bro, you're married, like you're you have, you have a daughter, you want your daughter's husband talking like that, like I'll do stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Um, so, but then when they have something happen in their lives where they're actually seeking God, I've had multiple guys that were. I got a phone call two days ago from one of the guys I work with asking me man, what was the question he asked me? Um's like well, jesus was jewish. Like why? Don't? Like? He was like asking why don't the jews believe in jesus?
Speaker 2:and I had to like get into this well see, you should read this book by a man named e michael jones jewish revolutionary experience dude I had.
Speaker 1:I like I had like a 40 minute conversation with him just based on that question and I got into like I won't even talk about it on YouTube, but it just it was very enlightening to him, but it was just that he knew he could come to me with that question. All he's asked me a few questions in the past month or two and they're all like pretty deep questions. Like one of them was if Jesus is God, why does he pray? You know like really deep questions that I had to talk to him about because he was a Catholic. He grew up Catholic and he was never taught a single thing. So now he's coming across content and he's seeing conversations and he's opening his heart a little bit to asking about Christianity. He doesn't even know who the heck to ask, so he's coming to his friend at work, the only guy he knows that goes to church.
Speaker 1:It's a really interesting dynamic that's happening. Like while the culture is degrading, there are these little bits of light happening all over the place. I wanted to bring up this one comment. Okay, so every time I feel blackmailed at the state of the church, I always remind myself how much worse it is being completely away from the faith. This is this comment rings so true for me because when I was away from the sacraments, I was one of those guys at work talking like they talked, looking at the things they looked at, and it was just wild how quickly my mind spiraled down into that, even after I had known christ, because I was away from the sacraments and I. When you fall into mortal sin, it desensitizes your conscience and it darkens your intellect and the next thing you know you're right back in the pit and seven demons return where they where one was swept clean, seven return and I was in worse state than it was before my initial worse than an animal.
Speaker 2:at that point yeah.
Speaker 1:Like legit right. So never had I seen the reality of the sacraments more than that period of when I returned back to going to confession and then going to mass. It was like an overnight change of just having the light of Christ brought back into my life, change of just having the light of christ brought back into my life, going from that back into the light of christ, and then just the whole, my whole entire family life, changed everything. So the reality of the sacraments was never more real to me than that time. Oh yeah, absolutely. You, just you just.
Speaker 1:The thing is, guys, that especially with sexual sin, a guy has such a deep shame when he's in that that he won't even allow himself to hear the name Christ. If you even bring Jesus up, it hurts them and they'll just walk away from the conversation. They'll do anything they can to get out of it. They want nothing to do with that conversation because they know even hearing the name of Jesus will bring shame to someone. It's a, it's a, it's a very deep thing. That happens, cause even people that never were taught the faith, something about his name just is hard to hear when you're living in mortal sin. Um then, uh, let me see, now we do have um. I mean, is there any other other final things you want to just touch on um with that woman, cause woman, because I think a lot of people did kind of just jump down and blast her. I think we were more concerned with did she get influenced by church figures?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So when she, when it came out that she had quickly flown back to Florida and got a lawyer, that was over the weekend and we weren't doing shows, and I think that's good Cause. I think it saved us for maybe doing a, a show where we put unfair blame on her. Now, looking at the situation and her actions, I think what she did is really smart, because I think she realizes that the liberals, especially here in Minnesota, are going to use her and her actions, prior to signing that document, as a scapegoat um, as a scapegoat cause, like they're gonna say.
Speaker 1:They're gonna say it was, you know, anti-trans, anti-lgbt bigotry that caused the shooting meanwhile the kid in his manifesto or whatever it was said uh, you know he was angry at his mom for resisting it and then in the next sentence he was like don't ever let your kids do this. And the kid was like it was the lgbt propaganda and getting into marijuana that really messed his brain up and kind of did this too, like he admits it in his notepad and whatever he's got it was.
Speaker 1:It was the combination of the propaganda and him just getting into weed you know and that and that kind of sent them on this downward spiral and I think he had so much regret from his decision to go down that road that he was like I'd rather go out in a blaze like this than detransition. I think that's where he was at like it, rather than admit it was it was a mistake to do this.
Speaker 2:Well, and for those of you who aren't terminally online, like you probably hold on, I think I bookmarked some of this stuff, but you might not like realize, like, how violent some of this stuff is. Gosh, where was it? I don't know if I bookmarked it, but, like they often have, um, I mean they make flags and banners that say death before detransition. Yeah, and they they mean either by suicide or or by acts like this.
Speaker 1:so yeah, yeah, somebody asked a really good question to us. Um, they said I'd like to humbly submit a question for you guys to consider engaging with on one of your shows. I'm curious how other Catholic men deal with mounting feelings of what can only be described as hatred. I've often felt this swelling up in me with regard to the rainbow crowd, because I perceive them as this great threat to my future children and my practice of my faith. I know that hatred is not Christian, but it burns in me and I don't know how. I don't know what to do with it. I do strongly believe that those people are still made in the image of god and deserve dignity and goodwill, but I often find myself just feeling rage towards them. I mean, yeah, that was on twitter. He submitted that to both of us.
Speaker 1:Uh, he actually submitted to you and I just caught it um, what did I say to that?
Speaker 1:because I forgot you said uh, keep in mind, rage, anger is not necessarily hate. You should have righteous anger and rage. In regard to this, the key is not letting that righteous anger burn so much that it steals your peace and becomes hate. You have to turn that anger to a productive goal. If you carry a gun, let it be the motivation for you to get your ass to the range this week in the train. For me, I already shoot a lot, so I'm going to use that anger to motivate me to get more fit so that I can better protect my family.
Speaker 1:Um, I think also any kind of um hatred, like, like rob said, like there is a place for righteous anger.
Speaker 1:Right, you should be appalled by the things that that is being pushed on our children.
Speaker 1:There is an aspect of where it's totally normal and good to be angry at this stuff.
Speaker 1:It's when you allow it to disturb your spiritual life and you and you dwell on those things, which is part of the reason why I I kind of have led our programming away from the vatican stuff, because I felt it was spiritually harmful to me to a degree to just constantly be talking about the muck and the garbage happening, and it's like I'd rather talk about cultural issues and things like that, because it is depressing to see how the church is handling this, because the church is supposed to be the light of Christ right, supposed to be the light to the world.
Speaker 1:So there's a degree in which you could say maybe the Pope knows some things that we don't know and he's doing this out of prudence and not addressing this issue too rashly because he's afraid that it will lead to more incidents like this if he comes out and speaks strongly against this right. But the reality is is, at a certain point, not saying the truth, or or lightening the truth, or weakening the truth, it becomes a lie at a certain point and it becomes it. It's like what, what is the purpose of the church at that point if they're not going to speak clearly on this stuff?
Speaker 2:so yeah, I, I think also like he, he's largely live in, has lived insulated from the craziness of it down in peru, um, because he was down there for a long time. Uh, you know, it's not like when we say he's from chicago, it's not like he's been, you know, know, archbishop of Chicago, like like soupage. But yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean what you're saying is there's a lot in the world to be angry at, a lot of stuff in the world to be right, you know, rightly and justly angry at. And we can use that anger to, to motivate ourselves to do, to do good. I mean you should use them anger to motivate you to pray for these people. Yeah, it's not easy, I mean.
Speaker 2:So the day it happened, like after we did our show that night, um, so my, so maddie had gone over to my mom's earlier in the day. She had to watch him while hope went to the doctor or something like that. So my mom was watching the news, because she's a boomer and always has the news on tv just all the time. I don't get it, but so she was watching the news and maddie was over there and he saw it and heard about it and he got just very confused and angry that someone would do that to kids, right, I mean kids his age and a little bit older. So I mean talking with him and iggy after the show that night about it like it's hard to explain to to anyone, let alone a kid, like how how someone can do such evil and how we are called to still pray for them. You know, like how do you do that?
Speaker 1:and there's something interesting. There's something interesting in, um, when you, man, I work around some some grossness, right like I work in, I work in the south bronx at times I mean, I work around filth, like the people that I'm around are gross and drug addicts, and it gets pretty bad. But I found, like the the couple of times where somebody has asked me for money and I'm like, nah, I'm not going to give you money but I'll buy you lunch and I'll go in and I'll buy them lunch and I sit and talk with them for a couple of minutes, something oddly like when you actually see Christ in the worst, there's something I don't know. It's like when you see me in the least of my brethren, like you know, like there's something beautiful about St Francis going and visiting the lepers and embracing the lepers, and it's a very difficult thing to do because you're grossed out by these people, you know, and you you look down upon them subconsciously. You almost can't help it what are you laughing?
Speaker 1:at. He tried not to say black people. It's sick. Um, there is still something. No, it's, they're not always they're, they're of all. I mean alcoholics and drug addicts are all races. I don't care what you say, you go.
Speaker 1:But when you're working around this kind of stuff and you actually sit and you I mean look it's, it's, it's strange because you, I never want to give money to feed somebody's habit, but I don't mind feeding the poor, like there's something christ commands us to do, it, you know, and and charity covers a multitude of sins.
Speaker 1:So you should look for opportunities to do stuff like that and love the most wretched, and it'll actually change your heart a little bit when you do it. I found. I found when the times where I have done that, it softens me to my anger and you see them as more human and not just this leech upon society or, you know, like if you, if you walk past a homeless person, you feel disgust, maybe that's the time to turn around and actually do something for them might change your heart a little bit how and I don't expect you to have an answer or anyone to have an answer, but like how do we do that or things of that nature with, with, with this group, with this community, right, Right, Like because that is a good question.
Speaker 2:And it's probably one I should probably ask Nancy Charles.
Speaker 1:So I was, we were at fire Island this weekend.
Speaker 2:Cause I don't have a fire island to go, yeah, you would buy a round for everyone.
Speaker 1:Oh, my god, that one.
Speaker 1:I saw that tweet you put a couple drinks in me and I'm like oh buy a round for, oh my goodness pro tip for anyone if you're drinking with anthony just I can't help myself, like I just want to be generous and but whatever, it cost me 200 bucks for a round of drinks. Anyway, we were there it was me and Nicole and the kid behind the bar was clearly gay and I was talking with him and he was just telling me about I don't know how it came up, but it came up that his mom had she's one of nine kids and I'm like, oh, is she a big irish?
Speaker 2:I know how it came up you were talking about your huge family.
Speaker 1:No, no, no after he told me that I mentioned it was mine. He was because he was telling me how he ended up, like he runs the, the restaurant on this place that we go, yeah, and he, he was like I was just being nice to him and and then he was telling me about how his mom was one of nine kids and I started talking to him about Catholicism and he was like he's a little taken back by it. But I don't know. I mean, what else can you do besides just talk to people and, you know, share little things of your own experience and like like I don't, I don't know, I don't don't know how you know, because they're not like the lepers of society, they're like the glorified in our culture. So I don't know, I don't know what like the proper approach is.
Speaker 2:yeah, it is tricky, you know, it's um I I know like being vitriolic towards them is not the answer, though no, but at the same time I want a certain subset of them to understand that if they try anything, they're getting shot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I know how do you communicate both. There's also different degrees of it, right? No, there is for sure. There's different degrees of it. You always have to leave room for the people who might have the attraction but are open to God and willing to live a chase life.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like there are lots of people out there looking for God and just because they have that attraction because of something that happened to them in their childhood or something like it, doesn't mean like they're, they're all people who need the gospels. So I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, you know. That's why, like this weekend when I, when he mentioned his mom, was one of nine kids I try to always flip catholicism and wherever I can and I try to, you know, drop little seeds of something and I'll always mention that me and nicole go to mass every sunday and things like that. So it's, it's a tricky one, you know, um, straight down a lot of fire island. There's different. There's a gay section of fire island that's, uh, terry grove. That's not where I was.
Speaker 1:Um, who are the lepers of today? Uh, wait, did I lose that question? Uh, who are the lepers of today? Honest question. Oh, it depends what, uh what you mean by Catholics. Well, well, they are treated as outcasts. Right, like we are treated as outcasts. But you'll still see a universal revulsion of when you see homeless people just around, you know, and if you don't have exposure to that, you don't, you don't really understand that like they are the gross outcasts of society that nobody wants to meet. You know, they're waiting at every traffic light that I come to with the cup in their hand and you're like I'm not putting money in this cup because I know this guy's just going to go put it up his arm. So you know, I would think they're probably lepers. But all right, we're in an hour. I want to go over to locals, I want to cover the James Lindsay story and then I want to James Lindsay and I want to talk to you about how the gun show is going with Adrian.
Speaker 2:We'll see what you guys are doing over there. Before we go to Locals, though, we should tell everyone that if you want a really good deal that we can't actually talk about yet, you want to join locals and not just join locals join for a year, which I did. Is it set at 50 bucks? Is that what I said it to? I?
Speaker 1:think so, but it will work out for you in the long run.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's 50 bucks for a year. Now, locals will only be around for six to eight more weeks, but in that transition you will get that remainder of the year as a subscription to way more than just me and anthony whoever, whoever has a local subscription, your subscription will be fulfilled wherever we end up, but we may not be on locals soon, that's all we, if you are a monthly locals, you will get the remainder of that month, but then after that there it will be a different subscription yes, and it'll probably be a slight increase, not much, but a slight increase.
Speaker 2:So it will still be a good deal, but if you really want a good deal, you're gonna get you're gonna get a lot for your, for your money.
Speaker 1:Let's just say that there's some fun things that we're gonna be able to announce, uh, so all right. So we're gonna go over to locals, we'll talk over there, maybe we'll, maybe we'll spill the beans a little more over there. We can't do it over here, though, you guys. You guys on youtube. We're not allowed to tell you. So we spill the beans a little more over there. I might I have some personal stories to share over there too, if we don't have enough content to fill the time. So, all right, we're heading over. Take us out, rob.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm just going to start cutting things, because I didn't get the taffy videos.
Speaker 1:Hey, this is cool because Fed Calderon is Protestant, he watches our show and he's, yeah, he just enjoys our show, you know, and I think that I think that, like Protestants, do generally agree with our moral takes on cultural issues, things like that. You know, even if, even even if we do go down like a specifically Catholic road, I do think that there's agreement in in places like that, and I think fed went to his first mass recently, so he's he's definitely like looking into things.
Speaker 2:So just keep fed in your prayers, guys okay, we're ready to actually go to locals now, okay almost there okay, locals only okay.
Speaker 1:So I I missed the first guns and rosaries episode, but I did watch last night. Okay, and um, I, I, I thought the banter around the the baby's baptism was really good and I think, um, there's definitely ways you guys can, can make this work. I think you guys might, might, want to open up to interviews that's, that's the plan.
Speaker 2:I forget adrian talked about bringing someone on, potentially next week. I forget what it was for, but um, so some of the interviews we want to do, um we want to get. If we can't find someone, um, adrian can do it, but we ideally we would like to get a certain christopher from the locals and telegram group to come on to talk about um uh, we have a telegram jew group group.
Speaker 1:I wasn't aware we had a telegram Jew group group. I wasn't aware we had a telegram Jew group, but that sounds cool to talk about like emergency medical care, you know you want to know what I was.
Speaker 1:I would have loved to see you guys. So you guys went through your tweet, right, yeah, and then you, adrian, kind of went through the catechism and stuff like that. But I think our audience especially understands that, like, gun ownership is a Catholic position. I think you guys would have been good reading some of the crazy responses on that tweet. Yeah, like, some of them were bananas man, like you had some wacky responses on that tweet.
Speaker 2:So funny story. I got my first real Twitter hate mail because of the tweet. Really, what was it? Just someone who had responded to that I responded back to just sent me something calling. Well, I can't say the word, but Wait, gregory's not in our Telegram group.
Speaker 1:I thought he was. I thought he was. We gotta, we gotta get him in there. Uh, you should post a telegram link to the yeah, I should post it to like anybody that's on local and we will always have a telegram group, no matter what other thing we're on, guys, so don't right now what I'm wondering is I don't know what's going to happen with live chat on the new thing, and I'm thinking we might have to use the telegram as our live chat oh, that's true, that's not bad.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, yeah, we don't know much about the uh, we don't know, we don't know what's going on technical capabilities with tech, take tech capabilities yet, so like it's gonna have to be a stream.
Speaker 1:But if there's no live chat capability, we'll have to set up. Maybe we'll set up a new telegram just for the, the new, the new after after show and we'll be, able to, because I I do the live chat is so like critical for the for this show.
Speaker 1:It's something that we and we're going to have to figure that out. But yeah, they're going to be calling us trad ink dude, you were right about that. That thought's been going through my head a lot. They're going to be like wow, talk about trad ink. Anthony thinks he's freaking dumb.
Speaker 2:We went after Catholic ink. For how long we're going to get called sellouts?
Speaker 1:Oh, I don't care, we're never, never gonna not be us like. I don't care, you're just gonna. What it's going to do, what I'm hoping it'll do is give us an opportunity to do more um, like substantive content, that we're not so worried about clicks because we don't. You know, like we don't have to worry so much about getting views, we'll be able to go into something of substance that I think the people who are on Locals would enjoy way more. I also think we'll probably do a lot more interaction with the people that you know what is Locals now, when it's over there. We'll do a lot more interaction with people in that area too, Considering buying a suit to wear to mass.
Speaker 1:I can conceal easier.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I have a love-hate relationship with suits. One I hate wearing them. They're uncomfortable, they're just a pain. But two obviously they look nice for mass and you can really carry a big gun under a suit um, people are asking.
Speaker 1:They want more hints on where we're going. I can't say where we're going, but what I can say is we, we can say whatever flanders said, and he said it all well, no, what I'll say is there's. There's a group of us getting together because we've all been saying when the hell is the Catholic daily wire going to work? Like, when is that going to happen? Why is it that we have every one of these platforms are run by Israel and including locals who's owned by Dave Rubin Dave.
Speaker 1:Rubin, right, like every one of these outfits are, are like that and if, if, what? What we're, what we're looking at, does happen, because there's nothing's final yet, nothing's settled. We're just we haven't signed anything. We haven't signed anything yet. We're still in talks right now. But if this works, when you guys see the group that's coming together, I think you guys are going to like it. It's all people. It's all people you guys are going to be happy about and this is just the initial group.
Speaker 2:If it's successful, I imagine it will grow yeah, quickly, yeah.
Speaker 1:So, in other words, like you're, you're, you're, you're paying locals to see our stuff right now, but I think it might be two bucks more like, so it might be seven bucks and you going to get a lot of people's after show.
Speaker 2:And for like $15, I think you'll also get e-books and audio books. You're going to get everything else.
Speaker 1:It is going to be pretty crazy. Rob and I are off. There's not going to be a show next Tuesday. Next Tuesday is not a show.
Speaker 2:Rob and I are going to be flying Unless, potentially, we do it from a hotel room?
Speaker 1:yeah, maybe, maybe we'll do it in person, in person, in person, together, potentially with other people even, yeah, so, um, we, uh, we're, yeah, we're trying to put something, something cool together, something that is much needed, something to to go up against Catholic Inc. There needs to be an alternative to Catholic Inc. We're hoping that what we're embarking on is going to help with that. I think, rob honestly, though I always kind of had yeah, you've been talking about this.
Speaker 1:Since we started, I've always had this idea that our show was good enough to be picked up by something like. I just always thought that you know, and it's like it's I do like that we always got to do our own thing, but that's not going to change and it's kind of a really good. It's a really good way that things are going to be done where we're we're not being.
Speaker 1:There's not going to be. We're not gonna have to worry. Nobody's trying to editorialize for us where there nothing is going to change. We're just moving the after show and and there might be some other things getting done Additionally. Yeah, Like additionally, so you're going to get more of us if anything. That's why I'm hoping the guns and rosaries, things work out, thing works out, but I I don't know that might be worth starting a new channel for no, I think it could be.
Speaker 2:I think I think right now, um, adrian, I just kind of want to get in the hang of things, especially with each other. It takes a while to and I actually I think you guys have that chemistry together where you know I think last night I was measurably better than the first night even.
Speaker 1:Um.
Speaker 2:So I actually I think you guys have that chemistry together where you know, I think last night I was measurably better than the first night even, um. So I don't think that's going to take too long, but it does take time just to get used to each other and stuff um. But yeah, I think that could spin off into into a separate channel yeah, I, yeah, I would like to see you guys.
Speaker 1:Just just because there were so many bonkers comments, I think you guys could have just elaborated on them. This is nuts. This is why you do it. Not that I don't think it was valuable going through the quotes and stuff you guys are going through. I think you guys could have riffed a little bit more off the top of your heads by just engaging in some of those wacky comments. Those people were nuts. Man, you really set a fire with that one.
Speaker 2:I, you know there's and I said this last night there's tweets that you craft, knowing it will get out of your usual sphere and piss certain peoples off. Like I can craft a tweet like that that's going to piss off all the Nestorian prots, right? Like you just say, likeary's the, the, the the highest creature in the future ever you know, right and they're all gonna come out of the woodwork. That was not a tweet. I wanted to get out of my circle.
Speaker 1:I did not want that it's just so interesting, like how many like pearl clutches there are with that issue. It's just, it's just in.
Speaker 2:Some of them really surprised me, and I'm not gonna necessarily say who, which I think is one reason why adrian and I didn't get too much into the replies, because you didn't want to address steve cunningham.
Speaker 1:I don't let stuff like that slide, you might aid.
Speaker 2:So adrian is really big on avoiding circular firing squads and yeah I'm not, I don't.
Speaker 1:Well, the thing is, I can take a shot at steve and steve knows I love him.
Speaker 2:It's fine to be honest, I have a very bad relationship.
Speaker 1:I have to say something because Adrian made that comment about, like you know even though I disagree with certain.
Speaker 2:Did you see the end? I thought it was about me.
Speaker 1:Oh no, that was. That. Comment was earlier on and he was like he's like, even though I disagree, you know, I don't want to have any I thought he was.
Speaker 2:I at me, oh no, it was, it's steve, okay, even rick. So especially within kind of the gun community, like and this is like any community like people outside of catholicism won't understand when catholics get into a big spat over something small to them, right same thing in the gun community. People outside the gun community won't understand why, why people inside of it will end up hating each other over the smallest things. And like there are things that like, yeah, like, like adrian and I are more in line with that say like rick barrett isn't um, and honestly, yeah, like on the big stuff, it's like 99 agreement and we were gonna, we wanted to have rick on last night and we would, we would, we would always have him on. But, um, yeah, but no, did you watch to the end of the show?
Speaker 1:no, I didn't make it, I made it.
Speaker 2:I made it about 40, 45 minutes in and then I just had my such a crazy day we I think I think we were eating was talking something about, uh, how too many trads, especially trad men, young trad men, need to maybe get away from the tweed and the books, right, and get just more into real life. And he said something along the lines of, um, maybe, uh, practice your banjo a little less and go talk to a girl. And I, I I'll tell you right now I did not play it off. Well, if you watch the end of the show, that's not nice.
Speaker 1:Oh no, Don't zoom in on me. That's not nice. That's not nice.
Speaker 2:But I mean that's a good example, adrian, in Not that Adrian disagrees with Nick, who I think we all know who I was talking about there, because they don't, he doesn't, doesn't disagree no, and we love nick and it's very, very different.
Speaker 1:Nick is open to take a little right, right you know like you can take a little riffing.
Speaker 2:It's not, it's nothing personal um, but they're just very different, people different life experiences. I mean adrian was a marine and then, yeah, terror you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll tell you something about Adrian. Adrian's like. I did it this way. If you don't do it the same way I did, you suck and you're doing it wrong, but he will still like you, and that doesn't get like, uh oh, who was it?
Speaker 2:Oh, so like we were talking about who to have on to talk about emergency medical care, right, because if you carry a gun, you should also probably carry things to patch up bullet holes, right. And I'm like, well, you know, if we can't get someone from our telegram chat who works as an EMT, I'm like we could get father Knicks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was just going to say he goes.
Speaker 2:I love father Kn's but he doesn't like me much because of my Twitter. Oh, because Adrian is very dry and to the point on Twitter.
Speaker 1:So well, steve Cunningham, let's bring up what he was saying, because he said, like his issue was you guys are all worried about this when pre-crime is coming in this week. You know Now what he meant by that. I just popped it in there. Rob, you can bring that video up, because this is, this is real, this like is actually.
Speaker 5:I agree, but it doesn't turn him, for him to say I decided not to live in.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, yeah, but like yeah, of someone shooting up your church, but you're living in fear of everything the federal government ever does, but it's not even that steve.
Speaker 1:Steve just does not how to interact with friends. Well, like it's just like I'm contrarian to a point.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he goes way beyond that point but it'll do it to people who are on his. It's so bizarre what he does, like rick does it a little bit too like rick. He does just like flame out on somebody who's like a friend and I'm like, I'm like dude, you gotta chill a little bit. Like I've had conversations with rick about this. Rick, to his credit, the other day actually did text me um uh, and he said you know, I think you might be right, dude, he's like I don't know, I just don't handle this app. Well, he's like I kind of like once a month I just freaking, spaz out people. So that's to his credit. Like he had a little moment of self-awareness, which is cool I'll.
Speaker 2:I'll admit I usually have both him and steve muted, uh, not blocked, because yeah, they're friends. I agree with them on most things. I've met them. I've enjoyed them both in person. Watching rick argue with you in person is honestly one of the most hilarious things a person could ever watch, because you have this. You have this rhode island, this short rhode islander arguing with this short temperaments right.
Speaker 1:So like um, you are, you are someone, you'll let stuff roll off your chest.
Speaker 1:Roll up your chest, roll off your chest and then you're just like and when it comes I'm blocking this person because I just can't even tolerate it. Where I have a much, I can just ignore things I don't care. I can ignore some really stupid takes. If it's somebody I like. If it's somebody I don't like, that's a very different thing. But if I know I like the person in other areas, I'll just let them know. Whatever he's got a bad take on this. But the thing Steve was talking about I just popped it in this is actually a real thing, and it is something we do need to be concerned with.
Speaker 5:I am now about to launch Gideon, america's first ever AI threat detection platform. Built specifically for law enforcement, it scrapes the internet 24-7, using an Israeli grade ontology to pull specific threat language and then routes it to local law enforcement. It's a 24-7 detective. It never sleeps and it's going to get us in front of these attacks? No, it's going to get me in prison.
Speaker 2:It's going to get us in front of these attacks. No, it's going to get me in prison 100%.
Speaker 5:I wish my program would already be up. We're not launching until next week. I've got a dozen agencies on board Trace. I just unloaded a major Northeast agency with over 2,700 sworn. This is America's early warning system. Correct, I am now about to launch.
Speaker 1:This is essentially an AI that detects behavior in your tweets and if you tweet or say and look, it might have been messing with our freaking algorithm on youtube tonight, like it very may well, like a very, very possibly could have been messing with our youtube algorithm tonight, right where it's like we're talking about this sensitive issue and now they're. This ai is monitoring what we're saying. Like this stuff is very real. It is minority report level stuff. This is scary stuff and this is our future. I mean we were talking about when, uh, elon was going into the irs and firing all the irs agents. Everybody was happy that he was firing all the irs agents. Like you idiots, do you not understand what that means? That means he's hooking an AI up that they will be able to detect every single dollar that's ever spent ever. They'll be able to detect who made the money. Even if you gave it in cash, this person put it in their bank.
Speaker 2:Like they're going to know every where every cent originates from and gets spent, and and yet they still don't know how someone, how a penniless somali immigrant named ilan omar, could make 30 million dollars in congress.
Speaker 1:Yeah, give me a break they're always going to be the people they look past and there's always going to be the people that they let it slide. It's just the way it is. Um, but this technology is here and we all are going to have everything we do on social media monitored. I mean, it's probably already. Is it's just this guy's putting a program out to try and detect this stuff before it?
Speaker 2:happens. Well, people in our chat are saying that's not new, they were. They were using Gideon. Our military was using Gideon in the middle East during the war on terror to find people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you know. It is a reminder I'm a semi-Israeli overlord. Protect me. They have Pegasus already.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is all stuff that maybe my hair will protect me.
Speaker 1:I should really grow it out. Um, should we, should we cover the james lindsey thing? The james lindsey? We don't have to play the whole thing. It's 14 minutes long but the beginning of it is hilarious because he describes what his downfall came from. Because I remember report.
Speaker 1:I remember I remember talking about it we talked about this, we did a video on it because this idiot came out swinging against saint michael the archangel and saint michael the archangel led to his complete demonetization on all forms. This guy. He had 8 to 15 speaking gigs a month, all canceled. He lost like 80 of his paid subscribers. He was basically blacklisted from every conservative like talking gig that he ever could have had. It was just he lost it all because he came out first off he he is so against Christianity.
Speaker 1:He made a post in the past saying that he's going to pretend to be a Christian and then moralize the Christians and they'll have to listen to it. Like this guy is trying to undermine Christianity. He hates Christianity, but specifically Catholicism. I can't get that video to load. You can't just go to my tweet and then go to Milo's tweet. I did, well, I did. I'm on Milo's tweet, but specifically Catholicism, I can't get that video to load. You can't just go to my tweet and then go to Milo's tweet. I did.
Speaker 2:Well, I did.
Speaker 1:I'm on Milo's tweet, but it I wonder why Did Milo delete it, or something?
Speaker 2:No, the tweet's still there. I can read the tweet, but the video is just sitting there. I mean that's weird. Maybe I can bring it up, See if you can bring it up. And if you can, then we know it's just me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can bring it up. Hang on, let's see. All right, share screen.
Speaker 2:All right hang on, the video is actually playing. Yeah, yeah, yeah hang on.
Speaker 1:Okay, let me see Share screen. Look at this. Anthony has to pull through. Here we go. I'm going to laugh if it doesn't work. That'll work Ready, thank, you.
Speaker 3:Can you share with us a little bit more what happened and how that came about?
Speaker 4:Sure, I mean I'll just preface this by saying like I'm not a stranger to controversy and I'm not a stranger to leftist theory, actually not only familiar with how you know, cancellation attempts and struggle sessions and things have proceeded through the entire identity politics crazy era that we've all lived through. I'm one of the people who's led the discussion on bringing the return of the bear on our experience.
Speaker 4:I spent the better part of one of the last few years talking almost entirely about struggle sessions, researching, you know, the the psychological conditions of the maoist regime and then relaying what it is did he get to it already struggle session to be subjected he literally puts grotesque everyone on the right who disagrees with, through a struggle session to the struggle, to the struggle session environment.
Speaker 4:So I preface all that to say that they're kind of grotesque over-the-top swarm behavior, mass scale attack. It has very little interest in the truth. It's got a narrative about the target that it drives. It doesn't matter how you defend yourself. Everything you say to defend yourself makes the situation worse. There's no attempt to try to understand what was being said. There's only the kind of anger, the attempt to punish, rather than to correct or to understand.
Speaker 4:This was before the election. I had decided not to talk about this issue of the radical right thinking the election might be somewhat existential until after the election. Let's not cause any trouble. But what I started to notice was that the right was getting really ornery through September and August of last year and was starting to activate in the direction to where it was getting harder and harder for me to restrain wanting to say something like there's a problem here and what I see is this movement, which is a very small sub-movement but a very motivated sub-movement of MAGA frustration with their guys and to place as many of them as they possibly can. We don't have a communist in the White House and Kamala Harris is Michael or Michael Miss or whatever it's done, a pretty strong argument, and Tim Waltz as well, and so I tried to hold back.
Speaker 4:And then, finally, president Trump, at the end of, on apparently the day of the Feast of St Michael or Michaelmas or whatever it's called in the Catholic calendar, michaelmas, the famous picture, the painting of St Michael or Michael the Archangel slaying the dragon of Satan, and he puts the prayer of St Michael, which was composed, I think, by Leo the 13th, but certainly had been said, at the end of a lot of Satan, and he puts the prayer of St Michael, which was composed, I think, by Leo XIII, but certainly had been said, at the end of a lot of masses. I think John Paul II had it stop being said at the end of a lot of masses but it's a prayer to basically vanquish our enemies, and I saw this as out of character, for one thing, for President Trump to post.
Speaker 4:Although maybe he's courting Catholics, maybe he's having a change of heart after narrowly dodging a bullet, maybe, you know, he's just picking up religion where he sees it, wherever it happens to be, and running with it, whatever. There's a lot of reasons he could have posted that, but I found it concerning on another front because one of the dimensions of my research in the past few years is on the esoteric side of the weird beliefs that a lot of the people, like at the United Nations, for example, hold. The United Nations is very tied to a theosophical, occult belief structure and part of that, whether it's the SEL in schools coming out of the Fetzer Institute, whether it's Common Core, which came from the World Core curriculum which derives from the occultist Alice Bailey, which is in this same vector. I studied all this stuff because I found out about it through education which tied it to the UN, which I then saw reflected in, say, julian Huxley's writings about the early UN and all of these different things. So it's not like it's way out there so hard to listen.
Speaker 4:But I knew, for example, that the original icon of the Fetzer Institute which again was what ended up. It's an explicitly esoteric, occult organization meant to fuse science and spirituality and create an educational program out of it for children. That's the mission of that organization. But their original emblem was an icon that they had drawn of Michael the Archangel. Real quick.
Speaker 1:So he sees Trump post the St Michael prayer and because he saw that the United Nations used the St Michael image, he went off down this spiral.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like decades before some random.
Speaker 1:Wow, Went off on this spiral Now during Michaelmas, while all of us, and he goes off and just says I hope you guys know what this is about. They're trying to overtake, they're trying to under and we're like you, idiot. This is saint michael prayer. We say it at the end of every mass and catholics just drink water, napoleon drink water.
Speaker 2:Trump's trying to restore the napoleonic empire exactly what this was and retarded.
Speaker 1:We all tried to tell him like dude, you don't know what you're talking about. This is just a catholic in trump's orbit.
Speaker 2:Trump had just come out and prayer was written before theosophy was ever invented, but but?
Speaker 1:but the trump released this prayer right after he came out in support of ivf, so all catholics were mad at him, right. So now trump comes out with the saint michael prayer to try and, like you know, all right, put the catholics at bay. That's all it was. And we tried to say this to him. I tried to because before james lindsey went down his woke right spiral, so like I still wasn't aware of how bizarre this guy was and he hadn't started in with the woke right stuff and I'm like james, you're an idiot, you don't know what you're talking about like this is. This is just the same michael prayer we say at the end of every single mass. Almost every Catholic besides Bishop Barron knows what it is, but he just kept doubling down on it and listen to what he said they had practiced at their weekly meetings summonings of the Archangel Michael.
Speaker 4:And so there's this long, weird occult thread to Michael and what I saw was okay, trump's the figurehead of MAGA. Obviously he's humongously influential. A lot of Catholics are into it because they're Catholic and that's fine, but a lot of people are going to get sucked into Michael.
Speaker 4:The Archangel is like our warrior on our side our side and this whole weird occult vision which, by the way, also identifies in writing. I can show you the writing in Blavatsky's the Secret Doctrine. For example, it identifies Michael the Archangel as identical with Satan. So they believe that there's this weird esoteric, spiritual, occultist thing there. And so I put out this tweet saying guys, this isn't great, Be careful with this. I don't think this is very Trump. So I think somebody put Trump up to this. And here's this occult stuff you might actually want to be aware of. No one would have known about it if it wasn't for you. You idiot, I get blowback. Okay, so let's just assume that I said.
Speaker 1:So this is where the blowback happens, and instead of him going okay, maybe I was wrong about this, he. And instead of him going OK, maybe I was wrong about this, he just kept doubling down and doubling down and it destroyed his career like something stupid and insensitive on the Internet.
Speaker 1:I don't think I did, but let's just say that I didn't word it well, let's just say that I didn't word it well and I said something stupid on the Internet. Now, if you did that and you came out and said I said something stupid, I didn't know Maybe I didn't know the full context of this this would have been a nothing burger. But because he doubled down and people just kept lambasting him for it, he then goes and turns into this woke right, that dude. He destroyed his mental illness, destroyed his career, because christians are like dude, you're wrong about this.
Speaker 4:and he couldn't handle being told he was wrong enough for somebody's pieties and sensitivities. Fine. So you get, you know, people saying, dude, that was awkward, or it kind of falls flat, or you get some ugly comments back. That's not what happened. I got a full scale explosion, the likes of which I'd only seen twice before. Once was not when we released a grievance studies affair. It was when I got let back onto Twitter.
Speaker 4:The left one after me, the left got me kicked off Twitter in the old days in 2022 for five months. Elon bought it during those five months brought me back. You know online struggle sessions I've ever seen, basically for a month, relentless harassment for a month by the left when I got let back on. And the previous time to that was when I announced in late summer of 2020 that I intended to vote for Trump and I was still had ties.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So what's crazy is I actually was interacting with him on Twitter during this time and I offered to have him on to discuss this and I said have you like? He watched our clip, like we did? We did a segment on it and he watched it and I I said look, maybe I'm misunderstanding you If you want to come on and talk about it. But he was, oh, he knew, but but if he would have helped him? But no, he didn't. He kept digging his hole deeper and deeper and then people started digging up his Christian subversion tweets and it just turned into a total, total crap show on him. And he still doesn't understand that he is the root cause of this thing. He really just doesn't grasp it. What did I miss in the chat?
Speaker 2:Mostly people saying asking you to please stop the video. Please stop this thing, Please stop this video.
Speaker 1:I just think it's interesting that it was St Michael the Archangel that took him down.
Speaker 2:I found's really interesting oh man, I cannot say I, I, he's, he's. He's blocked me since before he got kicked off of twitter in 22 and I don't know why exactly oh?
Speaker 1:man, um, so, and then, uh, in in personal news so my uncle sold the house. His closing date is october 21st. I'm sorry, sold the house. His closing date is October 21st. I'm sorry, october 1st, his closing date is October 1st. So now Rob and I have been trying to figure out when the baptism is, because I have to fly to Minnesota and the only weekend that my uncle had left available at the house was the weekend of the 21st. And I'm like I had already told Rob, I'm like I try to get either the weekend of the 12th or the 21st and we'll, you know, we'll go from there and thank goodness he was able to get the 28th so, like now, I could actually go to my uncle's for the last time. I think bobby's gonna come meet me down there, but it's gonna be the last time.
Speaker 3:Now, dude, that house, you've been there, yeah everything has to go there everything has everything's gotta go everything has to go.
Speaker 2:I got a list of alcohol bottles I'd like I'm taking a.
Speaker 1:I'm taking a king-size mattress, like he dude. The stuff in that house has been slept in 20 times. I mean it's. It's all new stuff that just you know. It's been there for years, but we only go there twice a year, three times a year.
Speaker 2:Does that safe in the garage and all its contents got to go.
Speaker 1:He took that home. Yesterday. He sent my brother, joey, up there to pick it up. What about the razor? The razors he sold to the guy who works on them, but the safe, I'm like wait a minute. I'm like, are you even allowed to have those in new york? He's like, yeah, I'm grandfathered in with all of them, like so everything?
Speaker 2:that he had up there. They're a bunch of old hunting rifles, aren't they? He's got?
Speaker 1:he's got ars and stuff like that, yeah, yeah. So, um, now, uh, but that massage chair my brother joey got. Oh, the freaking massage chair, joey, that was nice. Um, he's got. I mean, all the furniture is just up for grabs. That whole garage is filled with like. He's got like panini presses that have never been used obviously the garage was stored, like basically all kitchen kitchen stuff like dude he's got the craziest things. It's got like five thousand dollars in knives.
Speaker 2:That I know, oh, I know I was gonna ask you if the knives were gonna go. I can't wait to take the knives. Home he's got knives and just just such good cooking like two or three uh breville, uh espresso machines just sitting in the garage. That too I'm gonna grab an espresso machine.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna get the kegerator. He's got that little kegerator up there, I'm gonna take that. Uh, dude, he's just got. You guys have no idea how much stuff he's got up there. It's just, it's just gonna be. Whatever hasn't been taken, just take it, because that's the last weekend, so he's got a moving truck coming the next day. He's he's. He went out, he he's going up this weekend and he said he's gonna put post-its on the stuff that like his sisters. So it goes, his sisters get first dibs, his nephews get after that you know there's not gonna be any knives left for you man, oh, there'll be.
Speaker 1:No, they're dude, they don't want any of that stuff, like all the stuff that me and you would think to get, none of them are thinking about getting. I'm telling you but, um, I definitely want a, I need a new mattress. I'm like, and he and my uncle gets like top of the line, so it's gonna be like a five, six thousand dollar mattress that I'm getting, you know. So, um, that whole upstairs, um, like the, the garage above the garage, that apartment yeah, the loft, like those couches, uh, the the beds up there.
Speaker 1:He's got that little mini fridge up there. I'm gonna take that. Whatever I can fit, I'm taking. So I was so happy to see that I could get up there. So I was so happy to see that I could get up there holy shit fell off the back of the truck.
Speaker 2:You believe it fell off the back of the trunk. So for for any uh locals, members watching or listening who aren't in the telegram or haven't seen in the telegram, in our near the twin cities, you want to come to the baptism on the 28th?
Speaker 1:What yeah, if you guys want to just come and hang. If you're close enough to make it there, come and meet us.
Speaker 2:I try to see if we could rent out the church hall after and they they don't rent out the church hall there because it's that church isn't technically a parish, it's an oratory Right.
Speaker 1:So they don't have, but I'm sure we could find a restaurant or something right yeah, that, yeah, there's a good.
Speaker 2:There's a good, uh, italian restaurant called tanucci's right up here. Well, you're probably going to think it's not great italian food, but anyways that like I've, I had my confirmation party there, my first communion party there, my graduation party there.
Speaker 1:Let's go take a place over bro we are the party like? We'll just go and take something over. I don't care it's going to be 30 or 20 of us, we're just going to walk in and take the place over. I'm going to try and get. I'm going to either go Friday night or early early Saturday morning, like the first flight out Saturday morning. I'll catch a red eye out.
Speaker 2:Friday night, is it you and Nicole?
Speaker 1:or just you, yeah, no, me and Nicole. So we'll be there. We'll have all day Saturday to hang out together. We'll go to dinner Saturday night, we'll hang out Saturday night and then Sunday we'll wake up, we'll go to mass, we'll have the baptism and then I'll probably catch a late flight out Sunday night because you have work the next day anyway. It's not worth staying another night.
Speaker 2:I'm glad we were able to do it down in the Twin Cities and didn't have to figure out something at the TLM in Duluth, because you'll be I mean, there's going to be flights to and from New York easy. Oh, you think so. Yeah, oh yeah, Between Minneapolis and New York Airports for sure. If it was Duluth like there's, you'd have to make a connecting flight in Minneapolis. That would have been yeah.
Speaker 1:And how far from the airport um like, should I rent a car or take an uber? What do you think?
Speaker 2:um, so we'll have our van and probably our small car, but we'll probably also have my mom's vehicle. So I think we, I think I should be able to pick you up in one of those vehicles pretty easily like what's?
Speaker 1:what's the city like, is it? Is it something like where everything's kind of close or you, we're gonna be driving around?
Speaker 2:so the in the twin cities everything is within a 45 minute drive of each other. You know, from one part to the next, um, the airport's probably a 15 minute drive to the, to the parish. We can. We can get a hotel anywhere. Yeah, I'll probably. I'll talk to you after the show about different.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll figure that out. Um yeah, like, dude, the, the freaking obstacles that you had to deal with because of tradition is just insane. That's why we were saying, like you know, these people who are like that we're getting getting, like, oh, you guys will. Just, you know, you'll be happy with your crumbs. Like Like, yeah, man, those crumbs are valuable and they change the liturgical life of the people in the diocese. It's just nuts.
Speaker 2:Like I can't. So in our diocese we have the one diocesan TLM and for those who watched last night, sorry if this is kind of a repeat, but we have the one diocese diocesan tlm that my family drives four hours round trip for but we can't do a trad baptism because because, according to tc, like you know, we are lucky enough, I guess you could say, to still have our tlm. You know we got a dispensation from the vatican for that, but not the sacraments but any other sacraments cannot be done in the traditional rite.
Speaker 2:So, and even then say I wanted to do a new rite, baptism at our TLM. The priest that says the TLM is not the pastor of that parish, oh my gosh. So he cannot just unilaterally and a lot of people don't realize this but the parish you're baptized at is the parish that holds all of your sacramental records for the rest of your life. So, like when you get married or whatever, wherever church you get married at, is going to request your sacramental records as a Catholic from the parish you were baptized at.
Speaker 1:So, our TLM priest can't just baptize my kid in even the new rite at that parish without the pastor's approval, because that pastor in his parish will then hold those records.
Speaker 2:Cigar mode saying like can you do a private in-home old rite baptism? Yeah, we could do that, but no parish will recognize it. Like I know, I could fly Father Nix out, you know, pay for a plane ticket and put him up and feed him for a weekend, and he'd do it happily. Where do I go to get a baptismal certificate? Now you know, obviously the baptismal certificate is not the important part. Right, it's not the sacrament, the sacrament's what is important. But you really make your life as a. Catholic hard.
Speaker 1:It is important for when you go to make your confirmation and when you go to get married and things like that, or if you want to be a um, a sponsor for somebody to come into the church, things like that.
Speaker 2:Especially when you live in. Live in our world where, if you want any of this in the in the trad right, you're going to be going to multiple different parishes all over the state. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Like it's just they've just made it so freaking difficult. It's like if you want a traditional baptism, you have to jump through so many hoops now. So you were floating the idea of doing it at your diocesan TLM In the New Rite In the New Rite and it's like, because we talked about that and I'm like, well, I mean, it's a valid baptism, like we're all baptized in it. Yeah, so if it's not a valid Baptist?
Speaker 2:I'm not, I'm not questioning that Right, but like you don't get the exorcisms.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's just such a more beautiful liturgy to experience. It's just a beautiful right to to be present for you know, and it's good for the people that have never witnessed it to see it done in that way and like I know this is going to come off to some people wrong but, like my kids have a right to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah and I, and and obviously god's grace is a free gift from god. I'm not saying they have a no one has a right to, to, to that, to grace right, like that's a gift from god. But they have a canonical right to be like, baptized in the, in the, the right of their forefathers yes, they have a right in that.
Speaker 1:It's the, it's the inheritance that our forefathers have left us and they just it ripped it away from us. That's just insane. Um so, but now you're able to get it in the traditional right where we're going right yeah, so I was.
Speaker 2:Uh, it took a little schedule finagling with um, the parish I grew up in, uh, to get them to do it and I have a feeling like they don't and I I don't. I don't know if they're doing it, because I mean, this is the parish I was baptized in and and you know they hold my, my records, so you know, I'm maybe not a registered parish member, but I'm certainly a member you have a connection to the parish, so I don't know if they're doing it for me just because of that or if they would literally do it for anyone.
Speaker 2:I don't know, but like you, think we'd have a little pull.
Speaker 1:You'd think if they're doing this for three years, we'd have a little pull, you'd be able to drop a name or something.
Speaker 2:I really don't ever want to have to do that.
Speaker 2:It just feels wrong you know but like, but when? When we weren't sure if the schedules were going to work out cause I mean, all traditional parishes are busy with baptisms, right, Because there's so many kids when I wasn't sure if that was going to work out, I contacted the FSSP in Minneapolis and I haven't really heard. Their priest called me, got my voicemail, I called him back, got his voicemail but I don't know if they would do it right Because they're in a different diocese under a different bishop. I don't know if they would do it right Because they're in a different diocese under a different bishop. They don't. You know, the FSSP is famous for not wanting to step on toes, right.
Speaker 1:Have you talked to your local parish, the one that's close to you, about catechizing your kids from home? Not?
Speaker 2:yet.
Speaker 1:I think that's the way to go. Go to your local parish.
Speaker 2:I know that's coming because like old now. So maddie's gonna be in first grade, so next year will be, you know not this not?
Speaker 1:maybe they do a year of prep and then the communion.
Speaker 2:I know, I know. So first grade is like it should be this year but like I don't want him going to first communion at our local parish, yeah, that's true, right, but yeah so like so my kids, I catechized them, but they, they made their confirmation at the diocesan tlm.
Speaker 1:So oh no, but only sophia got it in the old right.
Speaker 2:So the confirmation right, yeah, the confirmation. I have to figure out if our diocesan tlm has its own separate first communion. If they do, how to you know? What do they do for catechesis? Um, I, I don't know I got.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, there's a lot to figure out and it's so tricky because I'm telling you right now you don't want unless it's a true and dude, think about the driving you'll have to do to put them in like a catechetical program two hours or four hours away. It's a nightmare. So you, you have to have, you have to develop a relationship with not even the priest at that parish, with the um, with the, the women who run the parish. So the way I did it, I went in and I spoke to the, the girl in the office, and I just went in directly to my wife. Try calling. The woman said no to my wife and I go, I'll take care of this, let me go down. So I went down and I was like, listen, I'm like we drive 45 minutes to come to mass here on Sundays because there's a Latin mass here.
Speaker 1:I'm like I am very involved with my children's faith life. I'm like we pray daily rosary, like the woman just wanted to make sure I wasn't just trying to get them through the sacraments without actually catechizing my kids. I was like I am going to catechize my children, my children like my. My family is very involved in the faith. I am a very active part. They want to see the father is involved. That's really what it comes down to. You know and it didn't hurt that they saw I put an envelope in like if you're registered to the parish, even if you do it online, rob you could do like the online giving now the you know, and at least give like 15 bucks a week, 10 bucks a week. Whatever you got to do, at least they have a record of you giving to the parish.
Speaker 2:I promise you, if they see that they'll, they'll accommodate pretty much anything yeah, like I said, I have to figure it out if the nice part is, if it comes down to the decision of the, of our priest who says the tlm for our diocese. He does know me, he does watch the show like he. He would know my kid is is catechized, but I don't know if the decision's on him yeah, um, what did?
Speaker 1:I can't pronounce your name, venena, venena, beavis. I just dropped 80 australian for an annual subscription on locals because rob scammed me with an impulse buy. You got me love you guys, it's not an impulse buy, I'm not. So look the the the locals right now is five bucks a month. Where we're going, it's going to be seven, but you're going to get not just our after con. When you guys see the lineup we're working on seven, but you're going to get not just our after. When you guys see the lineup we're working on bringing in, you're going to be happy. You're going to be surprised too. You're going to be surprised at who I was able to finagle over there. I pulled some strings and I got some good people over there let's just say there are two canadians involved two canadian.
Speaker 1:That's a good. That's a good hint, that's a good hint. We got two Canadians involved. Might even have a Californian involved, and I'm working on it Really. Yeah Him, yeah yeah. That was going to be the. It's going to be the resident apologist. We're hoping.
Speaker 2:That would be. I couldn't think of a better person for that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, me too. So, and then I would love to see, um, our friends from the uk in there too. You know like I just think that's a good rounded group to see even things out so people don't think they're getting caught up in the sspx corner don't worry, there are going to be two SSPX apologists.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:I want to make sure that people understand that this is a group of Catholics coming together to work together to do something. Awesome is what we're hoping for, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm not joining unless he pulled the Diamond Brothers.
Speaker 1:That would be amazing. Um, I'm not joining unless he pulled the diamond brothers. I'll try and get an interview with them, dude, when I was on first, though, I was on with nova zordo watch and with kevin and mario, and mario starts trashing kennedy and dr kwajniewski I was like bro, you're gonna ruin all my relationships out here. You gotta stop. I'm like, don't do that to me. Wow, oh man. And then, uh, he went off on the diamond brothers, though. He's like the diamond brothers aren't even catholic. I'm like ah, that was my first introduction to set of a concept.
Speaker 2:I mean I can't, you can't, disagree with him on that. I mean they're, I just think look, I think they're very entertaining.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm peter is not even the guy's aspect to even what you and adrian are doing, where it's very educational, all right, and especially, um, like, some of the stuff you guys are going through is very educational, but there always has to be the element of entertainment where people want to watch, right, and for me, as a normie, because that's what you're trying to get. You're trying to get people that are a little, that aren't necessarily already, into guns. You want to try and peak the, the, the curiosity of those who are like considering it, you know. So that that's what you want to aim for.
Speaker 2:And that that tweet I put out showed me that more than anything like we need to change kind of the the the standard Catholic culture around guns. Yeah, you know, because all your, all your new conference in the South, they don't realize that Catholicism largely is like anti-gun.
Speaker 1:Right, cause they're in the south.
Speaker 2:when you get into the yeah, when you get into the normie northern catholics when you, when you're talking about your, your, your irish and italian, like catholic immigrants, you know like, uh, yeah, they came over from cultures completely anti-gun to begin with, just because of the way europe was, uh, in, yeah, it's just that. That's what I want to do with that show, more than anything.
Speaker 1:Obviously, entertainment but, but education and trying to change just the perception of guns, like so I think, um, I think like, uh, you gotta, you gotta, bring video clips in or like like you ever see, like the, the see the idiot gangsters on TikTok and they misfire and they shoot themselves. I know typical gun guys would be disgusted by that, but you guys have to show that and be like okay, we have to discuss this.
Speaker 2:So there's a pretty big channel called Active Self Protection, a big, a pretty big channel called active self-protection. Um, I watch it quite a bit, even though I find the main host like just an, an annoying kind of boomer uh, john Correa, if anyone is familiar with him. But they have really good information Basically, at once a day they put out a video, you know, of some sort of either police body cam or security footage showing some sort of resolving police body cam footage would be huge yeah, yeah, I guess what I'm saying is it?
Speaker 2:we wouldn't be anywhere near the first. There are channels dedicated to that, but but you know, once again, your average catholic isn't watching a channel like act of self-protection.
Speaker 1:Dude, you should, you should consider reviewing body cam footage and where a person went wrong, like, but they got to beection dude, you should. You should consider reviewing body cam footage and where a person went wrong, like, but they got, to be very tailored to what you guys are doing.
Speaker 2:They can't just be any right, the thing is, the thing is with, that is like, I'm certainly not an expert on it, I am a I'm a firearms enthusiast, I, I, I find them interesting, you know, they're to me they're mechanical works of art and in a way, you know, even even kind of the aesthetically ugly ones, like, I just find them interesting. Adrian has a lot more experience, but even he wouldn't have called himself like a use of force expert. Yeah right, you know there are channels that do research and studies and things like that, but I think there is still room to kind of discuss things like that from, uh, from a kind of a layman's sort of perspective, you know I mean, that's what we do on our show right it is like.
Speaker 2:But we were also very clear we're not apologist. You know.
Speaker 1:All right. So be very clear about what you guys are doing to say, look, you know, I mean, adrian does have some bona fides, he does. You know, he served, he served in the military and stuff. So, um, but yeah, I think I think you gotta, uh, you guys could hone that show out to be something, you know, something unique. So you know, even covering news stories where, um, if you cover news stories where, uh, a person, a legal firearm owner, saved the day, like those stories would be huge because they're never covered in the mainstream media. But if you're covering them and selling like, look, we had, we had somebody who was a legal firearm owner who saved people from a mass shooting, you know, it's stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you're right that that that really is undercover, like it's never shown. No, and what? What's funny is people have no idea, like, how common it is. Worst, so worst case in terms of gun deaths, you would, average year, has have approximately 60,000 gun deaths in the country. You have 250,000 medical malpractice deaths so think about that for a second. But on the average year, 30 of those 60,000 suicides, yeah. Now, in nations without gun ownership, like Suicidal justice is rampant.
Speaker 1:They just do it a different way.
Speaker 2:Exactly so. You're not going to save 30,000 lives by getting rid of guns, yeah, but so anyway. So, right off 30,000, that, so you have 30,000 criminal uses of of guns. In terms of deaths of that 30,000, 80 to 90% of those gang violence, gang violence. And then of that remaining 10 to 20% like 95% of domestic, domestic.
Speaker 2:Uh, in the the, your average year, you have more murders by hammer than you do by so-called assault rifles. Yeah, um, but the. The interesting thing is that in the c these, the following numbers, are from the cdc, who were commissioned to study gun violence. To study gun violence, uh, the cdc found there is a minimum 500 000 uses of guns in a defense in a legal, defensive way. Yeah, that's 500 000 reported uses. They estimate up to 3 million uses of guns in a defensive way.
Speaker 1:That maybe they weren't even fired, but just having it prevented something right.
Speaker 2:They would consider defensive use like brandishing the weapon.
Speaker 1:Brandishing it.
Speaker 2:And someone which there's legal things there, but whatever. So yeah, you're talking minimum 100 times the number of legal uses where a gun potentially saves a life than number of murders with a gun. Yeah, no one talks about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting to get into that.
Speaker 2:So great Another match.
Speaker 1:Well, that's why I'm saying, if you do that too much, people will tune out, right.
Speaker 1:So you guys do have to, you have to find a way to keep it because, especially because you and Adrian have such similar temperaments, we do right, like part of the reason people like us is because we're so different.
Speaker 1:Right, so, like our back and forth it it works in some weird way, like the two of us, because you know we're totally different. But when you have two guys who have very similar temperaments and you're both kind of, you know, very measured in your speech and stuff, like you guys do have to work out your um, your chemistry, and, like you know, very measured in your speech and stuff, like you guys do have to work out your um, your chemistry and, like you know, keeping the show at an upbeat, upbeat pace and stuff. So it's stuff that you're going to work on, the stuff that you're going to get better as the shows go on, like that there was, it was a. It was better the second show than the first show. So we'll see what we can make of it. If that doesn't work, we'll try something else, like that's just what's just what it's going to be.
Speaker 2:We're going to experiment a little bit, which is what we do we continuously do with this show all the time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're going to experiment a little bit, that's all. So we're going to try and bring some different things to you guys. So, all right, we're going to wrap this one up, and after next Tuesday, rob and I are going to be we're gonna have to figure. Maybe we'll do monday, friday, next week maybe maybe that'll work. Maybe we'll do monday and then friday, because that might be a better schedule for us.
Speaker 2:So, um yeah, that's right, because you're I'm traveling for two nights tuesday wednesday.
Speaker 1:I mean I'll be home thursday night, though right thursday morning. So yeah, we can do. We could maybe we'll do tuesday in person and thursday night when I get home, and hopefully we'll be able to announce something when we, when we get home.
Speaker 2:So, um, I don't need different things. I need more father modley, please, and which? Which?
Speaker 1:which is in the works. Also, I'm gonna I'm gonna get father modley back on um. Somehow, the gun show is what they're what is. It is what they're what is it Is what they're. I missed the original. I don't know.
Speaker 2:We need a show dedicated to Anthony's apocalyptic rants.
Speaker 1:So I want to get Josh Charles back on to discuss the passion of the church, because in the Novus Ordo conversation we discussed the passion of the church and he described what he saw as a false passion of the church and I think that could have been a place where we could have went a little deeper. But we're going to get Josh on. Josh said he's open to talking with those guys, which would be an interesting one on our channel to maybe discuss the passion of the church with Joshua, charles and Mario, or would be an interesting one on our channel to maybe discuss the passion of the church with joshua charles and mario or something.
Speaker 1:You know, yeah, be interesting to just get guys together, just have conversations and just because josh is a little more well equipped to handle, um, you know what the fathers say, because we got into like is, is it three and a half years where the sacrifice stops? Is that literal? And yeah, I got a little little over my head at a couple of points. Just keep Josh out of the comments. I want to get Josh on for one of those call-in shows where we have the audience come on. He would be a good guy to have on for that too. You know, yeah, like I think all of the all the regulars on the show would be fun as guests to have the locals chat, be able to come in, ask a question, and you know we'll do another one of those advice shows or something you get to you could. You could definitely gear it more towards theology if we have josh.
Speaker 1:You know you go schizo with hitchborn yeah, josh would cook on this call and and I think josh wants to like have. The one thing I'll tell you all these guys are not envious but like they do see that we have that no other show has is a young male audience. They all have a boomer audience. We are the only show that has a uniquely like 25 to 50 year old audience. Like I mean, we do have a little outside of that range. The majority of our, the lion's share of our audience is 25 to 50 and all of those guys just are like man, how do we get that audience?
Speaker 2:but. But they want the both worlds best of both worlds. They want the young male audience, but they want that boomer money.
Speaker 1:They want the boomer money. Look, there's a sacrifice you got to make when you take the young male audience, because they're all broke. We are too, though, so what are you going to do, man? All right, we're going to wrap this one up up, me and rob got to talk a little bit, and uh, we will see you guys um thursday with.
Speaker 1:Uh, we have charles frown frowny, yeah, frowny frowny, um, but he's not gonna come on. He's gonna come on like midway through the show. He's gonna come on at like 8, 30 or something. So we'll start off doing our thing, then he'll join us and then we'll head over to locals Just the two of us.
Speaker 2:I'm sure we'll talk a little bit about his book, but I also want to see what he knows about the, the sort of psychotic group that that she has involved. Yeah, Maybe he does. That'd be interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cause his latest book is about the saints and exorcists, which is interesting, so yeah, the different saints that exorcists like to call on and are very powerful.
Speaker 2:We'll have to ask him if St Michael's often used against gay atheists.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a good question. All right, we'll see you guys. We'll see you guys Thursday, okay.
Speaker 2:Have a good night everyone. Adios boys.
