New Insights on Annunciation Shooting: Family Conflicts, Parental Dynamics, and Lawmaker Crackdowns

The cultural battle lines have never been more clearly drawn for Catholic families than they are today. In the wake of the Minnesota church shooting, we dive deep into the misunderstood story of Mary Grace Westman, a Catholic mother who faced impossible choices under Minnesota's radical gender laws. What many initially portrayed as parental complicity appears increasingly to be a story of a faith-filled mother cornered by a system designed to override parental authority.

Minnesota's legislation, championed by Governor Tim Walz, has created what amounts to a "sanctuary state" for child gender transitions – where one parent can override another's objections simply by crossing state lines. These policies represent just one facet of the moral collapse we're witnessing across society, where adults who should protect children instead cause irreparable harm under the banner of affirmation.

The conversation shifts to examine how Catholics should respond to mounting cultural hostility. We explore the false divisions between traditional and Novus Ordo Catholics, noting that when persecution comes, our enemies won't bother distinguishing between liturgical preferences. The time for circular firing squads within Catholicism has passed – we need to build coalitions of faithful Catholics prepared to weather the growing storm.

Despite the darkness, glimmers of hope emerge through personal stories. From workplace evangelization to charity toward the marginalized, we discover that living authentically Catholic lives provides opportunities to reach souls searching for meaning. One particularly powerful response has been the "Protect Catholic Kids" shirt initiative, with all proceeds supporting the Annunciation Parish families affected by the shooting.

How do we balance righteous anger at evil with Christ's call to love our enemies? How do we protect our families while remaining charitable? These questions demand answers from every faithful Catholic today. Join us as we navigate these treacherous waters and find a path forward rooted in both truth and love.

Chapters

• 0:00 Opening and Personal Updates
• 7:35 Minnesota Shooting and Kennedy Hall's News
• 16:14 Anthony's Boat Mishap Story
• 27:00 Vatican Issues and Trad Catholic Discourse
• 33:49 Mary Westman Case and Minnesota Laws
• 50:27 Gender Ideology and Cultural Decay
• 59:30 Dealing with Hatred and Finding Light

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

SANGRE, sangre, amare MORTI NECLARAS NOS IN TEI SPERA VERUM. We can't let them drive, guys. This is just. We just can't let them. We went old school tonight because Taffy's video he's trying to get us into a fight. Yeah, you know what, I should have said something to him, because he sent it to me yesterday. You know what? We can play it Really, which one you know?

Speaker 3: 1:03

what we can play it really which one, the first one or the second one?

Speaker 1: 1:10

well, it's like picking a fight with Lofton for no reason. The guy hasn't said anything or done anything.

Speaker 2: 1:16

It's just like if we preface it by saying Michael, like it's funny, we're not, I don't know I don't kind of he doesn't have a sense of humor about him.

Speaker 1: 1:28

You can't that's why I think we should play the second one well, the problem with the second one is like not enough people know who jason is, you know?

Speaker 3: 1:35

I know, but I'm just an inside.

Speaker 1: 1:36

Yeah, it's funny. All right, maybe we'll do that later. We'll play that for you guys later on the show. Locals, that'll be. Yeah, it's just, uh, we'll do. We'll do that one a little later in the show.

Speaker 2: 1:46

Um man, my wife is an incredible female driver and literally every single man I know is still better that's true.

Speaker 1: 1:57

I'm on the phone with my wife the other day and she's, and all of a sudden, oh, I'm like what. I don't know. I just ran something over and I hit the curb. I think I'm like you gotta be kidding me.

Speaker 2: 2:08

Um swear after you hit it.

Speaker 1: 2:09

Cause if so yeah, she, uh, she's my wife. She's not the best driver, um, so yeah, I had, uh, please pray for Kennedy Hall's preborn son, who has a genetic condition incompatible with life and is not expected to live long after. I've had a couple of conversations with Kennedy. They are his wife is devastated. As you guys can imagine, things like that are a lot, lot more tricky for the woman than they are for the men, especially when you're talking about a preborn baby, because men take a little time to bond with the child, but women, like from from pregnancy they're already. They have that attachment.

Speaker 2: 2:48

so in a way that might make it I'm not gonna say just as hard, but I think it's hard for men because they know they'll never get that chance at a bond it's a, it's a different, it's a different kind of cross.

Speaker 1: 3:01

I think it's like a different kind of it's almost like a guilt that you didn't, that you didn't have that attachment, but like for for me at least, I don't. I don't want to say all dads universally, but for me, uh, it took a few months before my kids because they were attached to mommy the whole time and, like they're like when they're infants, I'm like, yeah, whatever you know, but once they like recognize my voice, then it's like all right, daddy's in gear now I have no doubt they recognize my voice.

Speaker 2: 3:26

Then it's like all right, daddy's in gear now.

Speaker 1: 3:27

I have no doubt they recognize your voice immediately. I still do not have a boat for anybody asking. They're asking how is the boat? But I do have an interesting story about my uncle's boat. This weekend I've been taking my uncle's boat. Thank God he allows me to use his boat because it salvaged my summer. My motor still has not been delivered, so my uncle's boat's probably like 400 grand. It's like an insanely expensive boat. We had it out on Fire Island over the weekend and when we were leaving I had like over a quarter of a tank of fuel and I'm like I have plenty. To get to the gas station in Lindenhurst. It's like it's a 40 minute ride, but I had over a quarter of a tank. I'm like I'll be fine, I'll get there. So I'm driving and I'm about when.

Speaker 2: 4:18

I tell you, did you pull a?

Speaker 1: 4:19

woman, a woman thing on the boat. Listen, I was two football fields away from the stupid gas station. Did you have to have someone tell you when? Not told me, because I have seto, which is? Seto is uh, you, you pay like a yearly subscription and anything that happens out there. They'll give you a free tow in or they'll bring your gas, whatever it is. So the guy brings me out five gallons of gas just to get me to the gas station and while he's tied up to me, another boat passes and this guy's boat smashed my uncle's boat, my uncle's $400,000 boat, and took a chunk out of the boat. And I'm just like you have to be kidding me, like I have to explain this to my uncle. Oh, there goes ever getting used. The Pennsylvania house again. You have to be kidding me, like I have to explain this to my uncle.

Speaker 2: 5:07

There goes ever getting used the Pennsylvania house again.

Speaker 1: 5:10

We'll get into that. So he takes a chunk out of the boat like cracks the gel coat bed and I'm like I just called Cito livid. I was like you know, I'm like the guy's supposed to be a professional, like he's supposed to know how to come up and tie up to the boat and I'm like I'm putting the fuel in, paying attention to putting the fuel in, and the guy doesn't have the boat tied up right and the back of his boat clips into my uncle's boat. They felt so bad. They're like, sir, we will fix it, don't worry about it. So they're going to fix it. But I still got to go back and tell my uncle that a chunk is missing out of his boat. I'm so nervous going back there. I'm like I hope he's sleeping Because he was just in Atlantic City over the weekend.

Speaker 1: 5:53

I'm like maybe he's hungover and sleeping. I'll just talk to him in the morning about it. I didn't want to talk to him about it up in his backyard and of course he's bright and chipper and waiting for me and I'm just like, like al, I like I told him the whole story. He's like what is wrong with you? He's like why there's only two gas stations on the on the water where I'm leaving from that I know of. I mean there's probably more, but I don't know where they are and one is like right across. I would have had to drive like 30 minutes out of the way to go to the one that was closer or make it to the other one. I made it to the place on less than a quarter of a tank. I should be fine. I'm like while the guy was tied up to me took a chunk out of it. I don't care, no big deal.

Speaker 2: 6:41

That makes me feel a lot less bad for breaking a screen door.

Speaker 1: 6:45

Yeah, Like honestly he is so good about stuff like that Like he really, if it's just like a monetary thing. As long as nobody got hurt like he really is, just like all right, did anybody get hurt, am I getting sued? That's what he was.

Speaker 2: 6:59

So I'm not getting sued and it's just like no, you could probably sue them.

Speaker 1: 7:03

yeah, if it's just like a you know a couple hundred bucks to fix or something like that. He doesn't bug out about stuff like that, he's kind of just like cool about it, but um, uh, so all right, so we have a few things we're gonna go over tonight. Uh, if you guys are new here, please hit like and subscribe. But we have um. I don't think we covered the mother too poorly in that in that shooting case. I think we did kind of grant her um that she was a catholic and we our angle was more was she being pressured by elements of the church to go along with this?

Speaker 1: 7:36

church or doctors, yeah, yeah, church doctors, things like that. But uh, what came out today was really just showing how this woman really wasn't faithful catholic. She was very pro-life, she was very against this, this transition to the point where she just had to like upend her life and leave minnesota because of the laws in minnesota, because they're so twisted, and rob could give us a little bit of insight on that. Then I figured I want to kind of do a little bit of a recap of my conversation on Nova sort of watch. It was really on Catholic family podcast with Kevin and Mario. I should have. I should have told him he pronounced his name wrong, cause he does say Mario, only you would tell someone that I did it, but I should have to.

Speaker 1: 8:24

So I'd like I want to discuss that a little bit. I want to discuss, kind of the internal trad war that's going on right now with um guys like catholic esquire and uh, chris jackson from you know, he does the big modernism blog or sub stack and what they're calling trad inc. Like I'd like to get into some of that stuff. So, um, what do you want to start? You want, I mean, we should just start with the title, right?

Speaker 3: 8:49

yeah um and before we even do that.

Speaker 2: 8:51

We should talk about the shirts okay, I need an update on the shirts so, um, the day that it happened, uh, kale zeldin for anyone who knows kale, he's been on the show a few times he tweeted out a picture of um minnesota lieutenant governor uh, what's her name? Peggy flanagan, something like that. She's my own lieutenant governor. I couldn't care less who she is, but she had this picture of, uh, protect trans kids shirt that she oh, there's kale right there. Yeah, kale's in the shirt. Um, she wore a protect trans kid shirt like the week that uh the troon in in nashville shot up that christian academy. So she's real classy.

Speaker 2: 9:35

But um, kale texted me that someone should come out with a protect catholic kid shirt. And not 10 minutes later I saw that uh, that keith nester had already created a graphic, um, so I told keith I'm like, if you don't put that on a shirt, I'm gonna put it on a shirt. He's like. I saw that Keith Nestor had already created a graphic, so I told Keith I'm like, if you don't put that on a shirt, I'm going to put it on a shirt. He's like, he just said he doesn't feel comfortable selling it, which I understand, so we decided to put it on a shirt and all proceeds from selling the shirt are going to go to the annunciation. I forget the name of it.

Speaker 1: 10:07

Yeah, none of us wanted to make money off the tragedy. So, like like kale, um uh keith, everyone was like it's kind of distasteful to make money off of it. So obviously it costs money to make the shirt. So we're not, it's not like every. You know, if you buy the shirt and it's 40 bucks or whatever cost to make, the shirt is gonna be, you know, covered and then whatever profit is made by the shirt, we're going to donate to the parish.

Speaker 2: 10:29

And there's, there's normal. There's black, green, navy normal t-shirts, there's a gray hoodie. There's youth, a toddler, even even baby sizes here and like, like at the shirt I think it says it right when you click it, but it's like the shirt. It's 10 bucks more or less for each of the shirts. We'll go to the Annunciation Hope and Healing Fund. The hoodie's a little bit about 10 bucks too. Some of the kids' stuff is like six bucks of the sale will go to them. So so far it's selling well. I think 53 were sold as of this morning, so over 500 bucks raised for the Annunciation Parish and the families involved. The link is in the description and anyone in the live chat. I also pinned it in the live chat. So please head over, head over there and purchase a couple shirts. Please head over, head over there and purchase a couple of shirts.

Speaker 1: 11:24

Yeah, it's an interesting thing because, um, uh and that'll tie into my conversation with Mario and Kevin Um, uh, I want to. I want to kind of discuss a couple of a couple of things about that conversation. But one thing I took away is, um, like, when the persecution of the church comes, I don't think people are going to distinguish between Latin mass Catholics and Novus Ordo. Like there's just going to be the persecution of Catholics. Now I do think a very large portion of those Catholics are going to abandon ship when that persecution comes and maybe even turn on faithful Catholics, but there will be Catholics from all groups that are persecuted because they don't turn from it.

Speaker 1: 12:09

You know, and a way to even notice that right off the bat is the shooter in Minnesota didn't look for a Latin mass parish. I mean, he just went to a Catholic parish. He didn't differ in To the one his mom worked at. But yeah, I see what you mean. Yeah, he wasn't like, oh, I have to go find a set of a contest chapel or an sspx, it was. He just went to a catholic church. So I think that, uh, you know that that does warrant a conversation, it's something that that hit me kind of.

Speaker 2: 12:38

Working on the shirt is like and and I did have this like if that shooting had happened, say, at a set-A chapel, this shirt applies just as much to kids there as at a Novus Ordo parish. Like, yeah, we have disagreements. I'm not a set of the contest. I have strong disagreements with their, you know, with multiple positions they hold, but their kids are as Catholic as mine, Right?

Speaker 2: 13:03

And I think I think many, many set A's, especially those of of good will will, would feel the same about my kids as I would feel about there.

Speaker 1: 13:12

So what was interesting about that conversation was I guess we could do it now. I guess we'll just get into it now. What I, what I found interesting was I think Mario and Kevin were in a difficult situation and I was in a difficult situation because you go into a conversation like that and your side is expecting you to represent your side Right, and we went into that conversation looking to just have a charitable conversation. So a lot of people in the in the chat not even a lot like a couple of people in the chat were like this conversation is not going anywhere. You know why isn't this happening? Why is that? But it was never set up to be a debate, it was set up to just be a conversation. I had a lot of questions about set of a contest because my whole understanding of set of a contest has been in bits and pieces of things I've learned on Twitter. Essentially, I've never actually learned anything about it. So I went on to ask them a lot of questions. They were super nice and grateful to me and the response was good on all sides, like I think the set days that watched it were appreciative that I went into it with an open mind, looking to have a conversation and the trads said I wasn't, I didn't like concede so much or anything. It was just just like a couple of guys having a conversation discussing the crisis in the church. Now I think the crisis in the church is a very real thing and people do come to different conclusions and I I think that we all have to give a little bit of latitude to people that come to a different conclusion than we do. I feel like sometimes I'm the only person that can overlook things I disagree with in a person and have a conversation. I see people the slightest disagreement and they want to just never talk to a person again. I want to get away from that as much as possible. Yeah, so you know, like hats off to Mario and Kevin for not trying to like give me gotcha questions. Like they didn't do that to me and they could have and I might not have had an answer to their gotcha questions, but they did not do that to me. They like I had a question and they would answer it. We do. We discuss a lot of things. We agreed on and just kind of presented what both of our ideas were and neither of us tried to make the other look stupid or not it was. I thought it was a really good conversation and I would like to see more of those going forward, because I do think there are a lot of people who don't know what the answer is and they want to hear charitable conversations between the two sides without being called an idiot If you don't fall into line with exactly the other one holds.

Speaker 1: 15:50

Kale said shameless plug If you want to read Dante, come take my course. Let's go to hell. It's geared to adults who are out of practice. I may join that class, kale. I might do actually. So yeah. So then that kind of leads into um guys like catholic esquire and chris jackson. Chris jackson's a phenomenal writer. I enjoy his sub stack a lot and I see a lot of those guys coming at the um. What they're?

Speaker 2: 16:18

what they're calling trad ink and you you know that term is going to get used to quite a bit more. Oh very much very much soon.

Speaker 1: 16:28

Yes, I'm going to be the Don of trading.

Speaker 2: 16:40

Oh man.

Speaker 1: 16:41

It is definitely going to be used.

Speaker 2: 16:43

I know it is, I'm not even care.

Speaker 1: 16:45

Let them use it, I don't care. So, um, so I, I saw an interaction um with uh, dr Kwasniewski. Um, so I, it all comes down from the um, pope leo with, uh, james martin thing and like, you see, you see the, like the, you see the, the, what would you call it? The facade starting to crack with the trads who were kind of giving leeway to leo and they're starting to be like, oh, we're seeing the red flags, we're seeing the red flags. Now, for me, I'm like I don't really care to do people commentary anymore. So that's kind of my position on it. Like I told rob, like I don't, I didn't want to do the leo james martin thing as our title tonight. Yeah, at all, I just I had no desire to do that. Um, I will discuss it a little bit, but like, not from the same angle. I think everybody else is. I, I kind of don't care, because I didn't expect any different from right, like exactly.

Speaker 1: 17:47

I don't know what people think they're getting from the leo papacy, but anybody that thinks he's coming in to correct the errors of francis, it's just not what he's, not just the leo papacy, the papacy of almost any cardinal that could have been elected.

Speaker 2: 18:01

Yeah, like, do you not know who our bishops and cardinals were? Like they're all spineless functionaries. Are you joking?

Speaker 1: 18:07

me, and, and we're just in the post-concealer era, you're not gonna get a pope. That's not a vatican to god, like it's just where we are. So I I've just decided I just don't even care to talk about this stuff anymore for the most part. I mean, if something big comes up, we will yeah, exactly, burke would have been the same.

Speaker 2: 18:27

Yeah, for sure. You think burke would have laicized martin.

Speaker 1: 18:30

Come on, you wouldn't know. Um. So I I don't know where this conversation started, but sean albert said uh, this is not surprising in the least, not to those of us who can see that. It's business as usual. Now is the time for Dr K particularly to decide which side he is on. If he does not call out Leo after this, then he supports Martin, period the same with the rest of Trad Inc.

Speaker 1: 19:01

So Dr Kwasniewski said I'm not on the side of either Trad Inc or Mad Inc, ink or sad ink, which is what this sub stack represents. It's not always everything is grand and we're turning a new corner, or everything is horrible and the sky is falling. I'm a realist and a pragmatist. I take things as they come, the good and the bad. We have uh, we have not we, we have not an unequivocally good pope, for we have not had I think that's what you're going to write we've not had an unequivocally good pope. We have not had. I think that's what you meant, right, we've not had an unequivocally good pope for a long time and I don't know how long it will be until we get one.

Speaker 1: 19:26

But I'm not for or against Leo. He is simply my pope and I pray for him. I will die for the truth he speaks, but I will resist errors he espouses. Does it have to be more complicated than that or more ideological? Does it have to be more complicated than that or more ideological? So what I would like to see is a little less attacking of Trad Inc for lack of a better term because the perception that they're trying to portray is that there's some coordinated effort led by Cardinal Burke that told the trads to lay off and not criticize Leo, because then you'll get your Latinist. And it's just not. It's just not, it's just not true.

Speaker 2: 20:12

Yeah, I mean, did you see that tweet from Stephen Cox?

Speaker 1: 20:16

It's just not true. You know, and it's like, because I really do like Chris Jackson, I really like Catholic Esquire. I think what their like, their takes on things are very important. But I don't think the circular firing at one another is helpful and I don't even think the circular firing from settees and trads is helpful, and I don't, I like I. I I think that we have to get to a point where we start to build some kind of a coalition that is going to raise up a generation that will be able to face what is coming and, when the time is right, there will be a big enough group of faithful Catholics to do what God needs them to do in that time. But I, I don't see how having another division in Tristan helps, like it's not. Like these guys are set A's and they're doing what Nova Sorda watch does. They're it's like I think they kind of take a similar position to to me in which they're like I don't know about the Pope question, I just know things are messy since the council and this is not fixing anything. But I think all the trads that are even the ones who were giving Leo that extra latitude, I think those guys also kind of know what this papacy is Like. I don't know. I have not been under any illusions that this is going to be some grand restoration of the papacy.

Speaker 1: 21:41

I do think leo said some good things. I think he said some. I don't think he said anything bad. He's he's said some good things and he's done some questionable things. I think having james martin come there days after this minneapolis shooting is horrific optics, like just horrific optics. I mean these guys, all of them, including Leo, all thought, hey, let's go after gun control after this and not looking at the. And it's not even just the trans issue, it is the total collapse of morality in a culture.

Speaker 2: 22:16

I think something's up with YouTube.

Speaker 1: 22:19

Oh, no what.

Speaker 2: 22:21

The chat doesn't seem to be working. I can't post in it. The current viewers just bounced from 98 up to 331. I don't know.

Speaker 1: 22:37

I think people can see us but I don't know, yeah, as long as you guys can see us, yeah, like St Augustine, st Chatworks for me. I don't know, youtube's been kind of funny, like last episode. It went up to 10,000 concurrent viewers.

Speaker 2: 22:52

It might be this topic.

Speaker 1: 22:54

It might be posting this topic that messes with it and sends bots in and stuff like that.

Speaker 2: 22:58

I'm not, I'm not really sure, so yeah, I will remove the wrench from you, sir.

Speaker 1: 23:06

YouTube suspended Ryan. I don't know what that's about, but so the I'm not sure Like people should not have these high expectations of the Leo papacy. It's just not. It's not sure People should not have these high expectations of the Leo Papacy. It's just not reality. So I do think there is something strategic in seeing what he does with the Latin mass, because of what we talked about with Tim Gordon and Brian Holdsworth and that if he does loosen some of those restrictions I know those guys are looking at it like, oh, you're going to take your crumbs and praise him for it. No, but I do think those are valuable crumbs and we'll give it. Look, let's let's.

Speaker 1: 23:44

Rob discuss this the other night with Adrian on his Guns and Rosaries show. But if you guys had any idea the obstacles Rob has had put in front of him because of Traditionis Custodis to simply baptize his child a sacrament necessary for salvation like it is so preposterous and insane. And if there is a lessening of that so that people like rob, who lives in a in in a rural area that he has to travel two to four hours to go to mass, if that restriction is lightened up to where he can go to his diocesan lat Latin mass an hour away, like that changes life for him. So, yeah, there is something strategic in saying, hey, let's not make this pope's life a living hell before we know where he's gonna go on certain things. I don't think it's some coordinated effort coming down from Cardinal Burke or Cardinal Seurat, I think it's just people saying, look, and the other thing is like I have such Francis fatigue from from going through that whole ordeal that I'm just sick of talking about the Pope in general, like I really am. I'm just sick of it. I don't care to like follow every single thing that comes out of the Vatican anymore. It's just kind of run its course for me and I wanted to kind of get into some different things. I wanted to try some new things on this show. Obviously, if something big comes up, we'll discuss it, but it's I don't know, it's tiresome to me. I watch Catholic content all day when I'm at work, just like breezing through to see what everybody's talking about, and literally every show.

Speaker 1: 25:15

Today was James Martin at the Vatican. It's like, okay, james Martin's at the Vatican, did you guys expect something different? Seriously, like I'm not like in the least bit surprised by this. I'm not disappointed in it. It's actually par for the course and it's exactly what I would expect. I just wish the timing was not so horrific and it's not even so much. That James Martin visited with the Pope is that James Martin came out and said what he said afterward and felt perfectly comfortable saying that Leah was going to continue on with what Francis did. So it's like, yeah, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's messy, it's I don't know Like who, what are you going to do?

Speaker 1: 25:58

I. What you're going to do is you're going to do the best you can to live your Catholic faith out. You're going to do the best you can to raise your children Catholic and you're going to try to keep this stuff from your wives and children, who might get worried from it. Right, if you're a man Like you, don't worry your wife and kids with this stuff. You bear the weight of the craziness of the vatican. Deal with that, however you must, and then just raise your children in the catholic faith the best you can. So that that's kind of my perspective on it. So I mean, I I would love to have uh chris jackson and uh catholic esquire on. So let's. Because if I'm misrepresenting anything they're saying or anything like that, I want to make sure I'm not.

Speaker 1: 26:35

But I do think there is a place for all of us to have these conversations without it being, hey, this guy's not acting in good faith, he's just doing it for money and grifting and things like that. I don't think that's helpful and I don't know. I respect all these guys and I want to see great minds accomplish some things together rather than internal bickering, and if I have to play peer mediator, I'm glad to do it, um so all right. So let's jump to um. Let's, let's jump into the andy. No tweet, rob and we'll. We'll get into where we, where the mother was misrepresented here let me pull that up here that's a good, that's a good tweet.

Speaker 1: 27:27

Uh, good comment, right, do you do? Trust in the providence of god, do what you can and don't worry about what you can't. Change, like I, I don't know how healthy it is spiritually to be obsessing on every little thing, because I know it wasn't healthy for me. For a couple of you, I thought that, look, there was something exciting about it during the Francis papacy of seeing Catholics take their faith more seriously and, you know, uh, rally around bringing back some of these beautiful devotions that we lost after the council. I learned so much about my Catholic faith because of Francis and in some ways, I'm grateful for that period because it, like I, learned a lot of things I hadn't, you know, been aware of. All right, let's, let's pop up, andy, no, okay, so this is Andy knows article, which is let's see, let me bring it up on my thing so I can see it a little better and read it easier, okay so, uh, secrets inside the westman family.

Speaker 1: 28:23

Has mary westman been wrong? Wrongly vilified? Mary grace westman had been demonized for her son's transition and subsequent violent extremism, but new information reveals the public may have been wrong. I spoke with someone who knows the family. Um. According to this source, it was Jim Allen Westman, not Mary Grace Westman, who was the most affirming of Robert's gender dysphoria. Jim is very liberal, as I saw on his social media before he deleted it. Before and after the divorce, the couple's five children allegedly looked to him for affirmation on choices their mother wouldn't support. Mary Grace was very conservative and jim was not. The source said she had been involved in pro-life activism, had been given birth, had given birth to many children. Because of this dynamic, the kids always went behind mary grace's back to jim for approval of doing things she didn't approve. It just shows you how much a father like we we get on single mothers all the time, but a father has such, oh man, a father that does this in the aftermath of the uh well shooting on wednesday.

Speaker 2: 29:29

This is from the father's facebook. This is what he tweeted on the day. Uh, derek chauvin was found guilty of the whole george floyd thing, so definitely very liberal, yeah uh.

Speaker 1: 29:42

In the aftermath of the catholic shooting on wednesday, ms westman uh has been ruthlessly vilified by mobs on social media because her signature appeared on a court paperwork that allowed robert to legally transition as a minor in min. Both parents typically have to consent to a child's identity change, but the source believes Ms Westman was under immense pressure from professionals, doctors and family, all warning her that unless she signed, her son would take his life. This threat is a familiar line for mainstream groups transition or unaliving. The online mob rage against Ms Westman grew as Minneapolis police said she wasn't returning contact with them from her home in Naples, florida. She also retained a criminal defense lawyer. Now I'll say right off the bat never talk to the police without a lawyer under any circumstances. Right, I mean, that's just common sense. So yeah, I don't blame her for getting a lawyer, but it's not unusual for someone to not speak to law enforcement without a counsel.

Speaker 1: 30:39

Her Florida home was visited by the FBI after the shooting, but no one appeared to be there. According to the media, she was reportedly on her way back to Minnesota to be with her children. Mr Westman lives in Minneapolis and is a geographic information systems application developer for a tech company. The company is a world leader in developing software for digital maps. According to the source, the Westman's divorce due to the values misalignment regarding child rearing. So they got divorced because the mother was the Catholic and she wanted to raise the children with faith and the father was a wacky liberal.

Speaker 2: 31:10

And it happened when Robert was 11. So probably and I I this is just conjecture, but it probably happened at the time he started to have the, that gender dysphoria, I would imagine around the age of 11, yeah it just shows how, oh man, divorce, how much it wreaks havoc on children.

Speaker 1: 31:28

Um, miss westman was very much a traditionalist. She had six children in her life, the first of whom, a baby girl, was given up for adoption when the mother was young, miss. So she probably, like she, chose to keep the child first young. She chose to keep the child First off, right, she chose to keep the child and give it up for adoption. Maybe that led to some conversion in her heart or something. The father worked in tech and was not a religious conservative. After the divorce, the father kept the family home in Hastings, minnesota. He later took on a new partner.

Speaker 1: 31:57

Ms Westman relocated to a small town in minnesota where she can see a small condo yeah, in egan, minnesota, where she continued working in the administration of the annunciation catholic church before moving to florida in 2022. Um, okay, so the source I'm going to skip a little and go to the source added. Mary grace did not share with us that she signed the identity change for the paper for bobby. She probably would not have been able to face us, but we all still would have loved and accepted her decision, knowing that her back was against the wall. Um, now, rob, do you have the the screenshot of the thing I put in there just describing the minnesota laws that are on the books?

Speaker 2: 32:38

let me look real quick um. You put it in the I put just a screenshot that?

Speaker 1: 32:44

oh yeah, I have it yeah, let's see if we could pop that up, because, um, this just kind of goes into how insane the laws are in minnesota. Like minnesota is a sanctuary state for transitioners, right? So, because of Tim walls. So, basically, if you are in another state and you want to transition your child and your spouse doesn't want you to, and you escape to Minnesota, you can do that without your spouse's consent. Essentially, right. So let's be perfectly clear In 2023, tim Walz signed a law written by his close advisor and activist, lee Fink, making Minnesota a grand threat.

Speaker 2: 33:25

His name is Christopher.

Speaker 1: 33:27

Okay, I don't. Yeah, I have no idea.

Speaker 1: 33:28

Yeah, he's yeah. In Minnesota, parents are stripped of their rights. Courts assume custody If you refuse to trans your child. A parent can kidnap a child, move to Minnesota and transition their child without completely overriding the objections of the other parent. Doctors can travel to Minnesota from other states and do these things fully shielded by this law. Today we are witnessing the result of this policy. This will continue to happen as long as this law is on the books. Tim waltz has uh crimes to answer for this. It's just I think this, um man, I don't know like I still don't think she should have signed it.

Speaker 2: 34:07

Don't get me wrong, but I understand, I'm gonna say it it's easy to say in retrospect and and I you know, I think you and I, for instance, we like someone it would have to be done at gunpoint, right?

Speaker 1: 34:22

yes, well, either on their end or my end, something's happening at some point yeah, there's no scenario where where I could ever, but I mean, there's no scenario. But it's also man.

Speaker 2: 34:35

You know, I I don't expect as much out of women as I do of men yeah, there's something to be said about that, especially women of an older generation, like we, you know, we've seen, not that, not that I grew up with kids that were trans, because that that really was like the you know, the zoomers after me, but like I have, you know, younger cousins that that are, um, you know, so I've seen it somewhat growing up, uh, but someone of the boomer generation. They didn't they, they didn't live with that, they didn't see that. They just know the people that they trust, you know doctors, whereas, once again, our generation and those younger do not trust doctors the way they do, right, um, so the, the people in authority that they trusted, tell them that they need to do it and we can say that they made a mistake and they definitely did.

Speaker 1: 35:34

Don't get me wrong, but it's easy to it's easy to recognize and say no it's so nuts because, um, I watched this documentary, uh two nights ago on netflix and, man, look, if you guys are gonna watch it, I'm about to ruin it on netflix and, man, look, if you guys are gonna watch it, I'm about to ruin it.

Speaker 2: 35:53

So if you guys want to watch, hold on, hold on I. I have a banner for this.

Speaker 1: 35:54

Hold on, let me put it yeah, I'm about to ruin the punchlines of the documentary what was the documentary called?

Speaker 2: 35:59

uh, man, it's talking unknown number or something right uh yeah, there's something about unknown number.

Speaker 1: 36:05

Let me see, I have it in our um, in our group chat with Jason and Mark. Let me see, oh, it's called Unknown Number, the High School Catfish. But what you see in that documentary is what women can do, right, you know what? Maybe I'll show you how diabolical without the documentary, what are you?

Speaker 2: 36:32

doing. I'm gonna give you a spoiled documentary.

Speaker 1: 36:35

I'm not gonna, I'm gonna do, uh, I'm gonna show you spoiling a biography and they die at the end I don't want to ruin the punchline of who's responsible, but I kind of just did already.

Speaker 1: 36:47

Uh, let me see, hang on like this. I want to ruin the punchline of who's responsible, but I kind of just did already. Let me see, hang on Like this. I want to show this. We have to, we have to go over this. Okay, I got it. I'm going to put it in the chat. Hang on. Nope, that's not it. Where are you? Where are you, rob? Oh, there you are. Okay, I'm putting it in right now. Let's play this clip. Let's play this clip. Show how evil this is.

Speaker 2: 37:18

Get in there I have it. I'm just pulling it up.

Speaker 1: 37:22

Okay, so this is a minute long, but just look at how diabolical this thing can be when you're talking about this movement. Yeah, so much of it is the mother, it's everybody in this had a decision.

Speaker 3: 37:39

You are in the perfect place to start on blockers, and she promises to begin giving her estrogen female hormones in two years, around 13. That's what I think. Yes, you're not going to develop breast buds on the blockers, but you're not going to wait until 16 to start. You know that. Okay, josie received the blockers as an implant in her arm. It's okay, it's okay. So, with all the bravery she could muster, josie held on tight as another chapter opened in this young girl's life.

Speaker 1: 38:17

Young boy's life.

Speaker 3: 38:19

This young boy A lot of times. It strikes me that had this happened just 20 years ago, I wouldn't have been able to give her blockers and she would have had to go through male puberty you stupid it's all done yeah, like there's something so she would have survived male puberty

Speaker 1: 38:37

this is all right. So, like the munchausen stuff in women, man, like the munchausen stuff in women is on such another level of evil that I don't even know how to describe it. It's like like that poor child could have had a totally normal life and just been a normal young boy, you know, and that mother did that because of her own sickness, like that. That's, it's just, I don't know. And every one of those doctors, every, every adult in that video should be shot. The wrath, the wrath that they are going to face on judgment day, is just. I just don't. I mean, it's just. I don't know how we have gotten to this place in a culture where that is allowed. I don't, I don't get it like this is you are talking about a monster of a woman people ask how germany could as a whole elect the person they did in 1932.

Speaker 1: 39:46

And man, it gets easier to understand every day yeah, when, when things are getting this nuts and like what, like, what do we do? We just, we just accept that this is normal. At this point, I, I just don't, I don't know man, I, I, I don't know, like this whole conversation so, like the, so to bring it back to just the pope and stuff, it's like all the all, the all, the bishops and the pope and everybody's talking about gun control. None of them are talking about the reality of the moral decay of our culture. Right, even even the video the other day of the little Scottish girl running around with the axe and stuff, even the video the other day of the little Scottish girl running around with the axe and stuff, like that girl is not a hero either, like she's just a product of this moral decay in the culture.

Speaker 1: 40:41

Everywhere you look is just moral decay, degeneracy. The world is falling apart. It really is Christ or chaos. It's really is Christ or chaos. And you're just seeing the evil of, of betraying our God happening before, like it's just unfolding before our eyes every day, more and more profoundly. It's. I don't know, I don't know where this ends up, but I just I it's. This is why I'm saying it's important that we have these Catholic communities so that we have a place of refuge, of community with one another, because it's going to get worse. This is not going to get better. You're going to see these kinds of incidents that happen in Minneapolis repeat and they're going to be more frequent. And they're not going to distinguish between who was the Uber trad and who is.

Speaker 2: 41:27

Who is trad ink, who is this and who is that I mean, if we're going to try to fight against this, people have to be prepared for there to be bloodshed, because there's going to be. You know, like it's just because the enemy recognizes who their enemy really is, yeah, and they've come for us and they're going to come for us more um, let's see what tyler says here.

Speaker 1: 41:51

So, um, I would not say she is a degenerate.

Speaker 1: 41:54

She's just doing what the men over there are afraid to the 14 year old girl oh no, she's not degenerate but and saying what happened is a product of a yes, and even in a rightly ordered society that she her doing that would not have been necessary yeah, it's just the whole culture is just called, and it's not just immigration and stuff, it's just the moral decay happening around us and it's all so subtle and it's in all the programming we watch the moral decay is what allow it for that sort of immigration as well.

Speaker 1: 42:28

Yeah, absolutely, and it's happening everywhere. It's. I mean, dude, I work construction. Do you know the conversations I hear on the street with these guys? Like the things that they say, I'm just like man, you just, when you work around people who their souls are dead, right, because I mean there's like the majority of people I'm exposed to are just people with dead souls, right, it's just. The reality is that they're all in like mired in mortal sin, so desensitized to holiness and what's right and what's wrong, that the things that will come out of their mouths you're just like man, and it's not even a thing of judgment, it's like a thing of sorrow, like I don't know, I don't know how to bring light into, into their world, where they, where they even could see the things that they're saying about women, the things that they're saying about their own wives, the thing that they're, the things that they look forward to and want to do.

Speaker 2: 43:29

Like I'm just at a loss for how to even have conversations with so, so many people, I think in many ways like the company to get to a point where conversation can even be had like you gotta, you gotta show them, just they gotta see it.

Speaker 1: 43:46

You know, through your example yeah, and they may not be able to see it, you know, through their, through their sin, but uh well, what's interesting about that comment even is a lot of the guys will guard what they say when I'm around. But then when, like, they have a little bit of a problem and they're actually seeking something in god, they come to me because they know I'm the guy they could go to you know. So, like they'll guard their, have a little bit of a problem and they're actually seeking something in God, they come to me because they know I'm the guy they can go to you know. So, like they'll guard their conversations a little bit when I'm around, cause, especially if they're talking about women and they're a married guy, like I don't let that stuff slide. I like I call them degenerates. I'm like, bro, you're married, like you're, you have want your daughter's husband talking like that, like that I'll do stuff like that. Um, so, but then when they have something happen in their lives where they're actually seeking god, I've had multiple guys that were.

Speaker 1: 44:35

I got a phone call two days ago from one of the guys I work with asking me what was the question. He asked me um, he's like, well, jesus was jewish. Like why don't the jew? Like? He was like asking why don't't the Jews believe in Jesus? And I had to like get into this.

Speaker 2: 44:53

Well, see, you should read this book by a man named E Michael Jones the Jewish revolutionary Dude I had.

Speaker 1: 45:00

I like I had like a 40 minute conversation with him just based on that question and I got into like I won't even talk about it on YouTube, but it just it was very enlightening to him, but it was just that he knew he could come to me with that question. All he's asked me a few questions in the past month or two and they're all like pretty deep questions, like one of them was um, if Jesus is God, why, why does he pray? You know like like really deep questions that I had to talk to him about because he was a Catholic, he grew up Catholic and he was never taught a single thing. Yeah, so now he's coming across content and he's seeing conversations and he's opening his heart a little bit to asking about Christianity. He doesn't even know who the heck to ask. So he's, he's coming to his friend at work, the only guy he knows that goes to church.

Speaker 1: 45:46

Really interesting dynamic that's happening. Like while the culture is degrading, there are these little bits of light happening all over the place. I wanted to bring up this one comment. Okay, so every time I feel blackmailed at the state of the church, I always remind myself how much worse, it is being completely away from the faith. This is this comment rings so true for me, because when I was away from the sacraments, I was one of those guys at work talking like they talked, looking at the things they looked at, and it was just wild how quickly my mind spiraled down into that, even after I had known Christ, because I was away from the sacraments and I. When you fall into mortal sin, it, it desensitizes your conscience and it darkens your intellect and the next thing you know you're right back in the pit and seven demons return where they where one was swept clean, seven return and I was in worse state than it was before my initial worst than an animal at that point yeah.

Speaker 1: 46:46

Like legit Right, worse than an animal at that point. Yeah, like legit Right. So never had I seen the reality of the sacraments more than that period of when I returned back to going to confession and then going to mass. It was like an overnight change of just having the light of Christ brought back into my life, going from that back into the light of Christ, and then just the whole, my whole entire family life, changed everything. So the reality of the sacraments was never more real to me than that time. Oh yeah, absolutely. You, just, you just.

Speaker 1: 47:21

The thing is, guys, that especially with sexual sin, guy has such a deep shame when he's in that that he won't even allow himself to hear the name Christ. Like you, if you even bring Jesus up, it hurts them and they'll just walk away from the conversation. They'll do anything they can to get out of it. They want nothing to do with that conversation because they know it's even hearing the name of Jesus will bring shame to someone. It's a, it's a, it's a very deep thing. That happens because even people that never were taught the faith, something about his name just is hard to hear when you're living in mortal sin. Um then, uh, let me see, now we do have. Um, I mean, is there any other other final things you want to just touch on with that woman, because I think a lot of people did kind of just jump down and blast her. I think we were more concerned with did she get influenced by church figures?

Speaker 2: 48:24

Yeah, I mean most of so, like when she, when it came out that she had quickly flown back to Florida and got a lawyer, like that was over the weekend and we weren't doing shows, and I think that's good, because I think it saved us from maybe doing a show where we put unfair blame on her. Now, looking at the situation and her actions, I think what she did is really smart, because I think she realizes that the liberals, especially here in Minnesota, are going to use her and her actions prior to signing that um, as a scapegoat cause like they're gonna say they're gonna say it was you know anti-trans, anti-lgbt bigotry that caused the shooting meanwhile the kid in his manifesto, whatever it was said, uh, you know he was angry at his mom for resisting it.

Speaker 1: 49:26

and then in the next sentence he was angry at his mom for resisting it. And then in the next sentence he was like don't ever let your kids do this. And the kid was like it was the LGBT propaganda and getting into marijuana that really messed his brain up and kind of did this too, like he admits it in his notepad and whatever he's got.

Speaker 1: 49:46

It was. It was the combination of the propaganda and him just getting into weed you know and that and that kind of sent them on this downward spiral and I think he had so much regret from his decision to go down that road that he was like I'd rather go out in a blaze like this than detransition. I think that's where, where he was at, rather than admit it was a mistake to do this.

Speaker 2: 50:12

Well, for those of you who aren't terminally online, you probably hold on. I think I bookmarked some of this stuff, but you might not realize how violent some of this stuff is. Gosh, where was it? I don't know if I bookmarked it, but like they're they often have. I mean, they make flags and banners that say death before detransition. Yeah, and they they mean either by suicide or or by acts like this.

Speaker 1: 50:46

So yeah, yeah, Somebody asked a really good question to us. They said I'd like to humbly submit a question for you guys to consider engaging with on one of your shows. I'm curious how other Catholic men deal with mounting feelings of what can only be described as hatred. I've often felt this swelling up in me with regard to the rainbow crowd, because I perceive them as this great threat to my future children and my practice of my faith. I know that hatred is not Christian, but it burns in me and I don't know how. I don't know what to do with it. I do strongly believe that those people are still made in the image of God and deserve dignity and goodwill, but I often find myself just feeling rage towards them. Yeah, that was on Twitter.

Speaker 1: 51:25

He's admitted that to both of us he actually submitted to you and I just caught it um, what did I say to that?

Speaker 1: 51:31

because I forgot you said uh, keep in mind, rage, anger is not necessarily hate. You should have righteous anger and rage. In regard to this, the key is not letting that righteous anger burn so much that it steals your peace and becomes hate. You have to turn that anger to a productive goal. If you carry a, let it be the motivation for you to get your ass to the range this week in the train. For me, I already shoot a lot, so I'm going to use that anger to motivate me to get more fit so that I can better protect my family.

Speaker 1: 51:59

I think also any kind of hatred. Like Rob said, there is a place for righteous anger. You should be appalled by the things that that is being pushed on our children. There is an aspect of where it's totally normal and good to be angry at this stuff.

Speaker 1: 52:17

It's when you allow it to disturb your spiritual life and you and you dwell on those things, which is part of the reason why I I kind of have led our programming away from the Vatican stuff, because I felt it was spiritually harmful to me to a degree to just constantly be talking about the muck and the and the garbage happening, and it's like I'd rather talk about cultural issues and things like that, because it is depressing to see how the church is handling this, because the church is supposed to be the light of Christ right, it's supposed to be the light to the world.

Speaker 1: 52:53

So there's a degree in which you could say maybe the Pope knows some things that we don't know and he's doing this out of prudence and not addressing this issue too rashly because he's afraid that it will lead to more incidents like this if he comes out and speaks strongly against this right. But the reality is too rashly because he's afraid that it will lead to more incidents like this If he comes out and speak strongly against this right. But the reality is is, at a certain point, not saying the truth or or lightening the truth, or weakening the truth, it becomes a lie at a certain point, and it becomes it. It it's like what? What is the purpose of the church at that point if they're not going to speak clearly on this stuff?

Speaker 2: 53:31

so yeah, I, I think also like he, he's largely live in, has lived insulated from the craziness of it down in peru, um, because he was down there for a long time. You know, it's not like when we say he's from Chicago, it's not like he's been, you know, archbishop of Chicago like Cupich. But yeah, I mean what you're saying is there's a lot in the world to be angry at, a lot of stuff in the world to be rightly and justly angry at, and we can use that anger to motivate ourselves to do good. I mean you should use that anger to motivate you to pray for these people. It's not easy, I mean.

Speaker 2: 54:25

So the day it happened, like after we did our show that night, um, so my so maddie had gone over to my mom's earlier in the day. She had to watch him while hope went to the doctor or something like that. So my mom was watching the news, because she's a boomer and always has the news on tv just all the time. I don't get it. But so she was watching the news and maddie was over there and he saw it and heard about it and he got just very confused and angry that someone would do that to kids, right, I mean kids his age and a little bit older. So I mean talking with him and iggy after the show that night about it like it's hard to explain to to anyone, let alone a kid, like how how someone can do such evil and how we are called to still pray for them. You know, like how do you do that?

Speaker 1: 55:14

and there's something interesting. There's something interesting in um, when you man, I work around some some grossness, right right Like I work in I work in the South Bronx at times I mean I work around filth like the people that I'm around are gross and drug addicts and it gets pretty bad.

Speaker 1: 55:40

But I found, like the, the couple of times where somebody has asked me for money and I'm like, nah, I'm not going to give you money but I'll buy you lunch and I'll go in and I'll buy them lunch and I sit and talk with them for a couple of minutes, something oddly like when you actually see Christ in the worst. There's something I don't know. It's like. It's like when you, when you see me in the least of my brethren, like you know, like there's something beautiful about St Francis going and visiting the lepers and and embracing the lepers, and it's a very difficult thing to do because you're grossed out by these people, you know, and you, you look down upon them subconsciously. You almost can't help it what are you laughing at?

Speaker 1: 56:26

people. It's sick. Um, there is still something. No, it's, they're not always they're, they're of all. I mean alcoholics and drug addicts are all races. I don't care what you say, you go. But when you're working around this kind of stuff and you actually sit and you I mean, look it's, it's. It's strange because you I never want to give money to feed somebody's habit, but I don't mind feeding the poor. There's something Christ commands us to do, and charity covers a multitude of sins. So you should look for opportunities to do stuff like that and love the most wretched, and it'll actually change your heart a little bit when you do it. I found the times where I have done that. It softens me to my anger and you see them as more human and not just this leech upon society. Or you know, like if you walk past a homeless person and you feel disgust, maybe that's the time to turn around and actually do something for them.

Speaker 2: 57:25

It might change your heart a little bit for them might change your heart a little bit. How and I don't expect you to have an answer, anyone have an answer but like, how do we do that or things of that nature with with, with this group, with this community, right, right, like, because I that is a good question, it's probably one I should probably ask Nancy Charles.

Speaker 1: 57:52

We were at Fire Island this weekend.

Speaker 2: 57:55

Because I don't have a Fire Island to go to and buy around for everyone.

Speaker 1: 57:59

Oh my, goodness that one. I saw that tweet. You put a couple of drinks in me and I'm like oh buy around for everyone. Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1: 58:07

Pro tip for anyone if you're drinking anthony just I can't help myself, like I just want to be generous and but whatever, it cost me 200 bucks for around the drive anyway. But we were there. It was me and nicole and the, the kid behind the bar. Uh was clearly gay, you know, and um, I was talking with him and he was just telling me about uh, I don't know how it came up, but it came up that his mom had she's one of nine kids and I'm like, oh, is she a big irish?

Speaker 2: 58:39

came up, you were talking about your huge family.

Speaker 1: 58:41

No, no, no after he told me that I mentioned it was mine.

Speaker 1: 58:45

He was because he was telling me how he ended up, like he runs the, the restaurant on this place that we go, yeah, and he, he was like I was just being nice to him and then he, he was telling me about how his mom was one of nine kids and I started talking about catholicism and he was like he's a little taken back by it. But I don't know, I mean, what else can you do besides just talk to people and, you know, share little things of your own experience and like like, uh, I don't, I don't know, I don't know how you know, because they're not like the lepers of society, they're like the glorified in our culture. So I don't know, I don't know what like the proper approach is. Yeah, it is tricky, you know it's um I I know. Like being vitriolic towards them is not the answer, though.

Speaker 2: 59:34

No, but at the same time I want a certain subset of them to understand that if they try anything, they're getting shot.

Speaker 1: 59:40

Yeah, no, I know how do you communicate both. There's also different degrees of it, right? No, there is for sure. There's different degrees of it, right? No, there is for sure. There's different degrees of it.

Speaker 1: 59:52

And, like you, always have to leave room for the people who might have the attraction but are open to god and willing to live a chase life yeah like there are lots of people out there looking for god and just because they have that attraction because of something that happened to them in their childhood or something like it, doesn't mean like they're, they're all people who need the gospel. So, I don't know, I don't know, you know, that's why, like this weekend when I, when he mentioned his mom, was one of nine kids, I try to always flip catholicism and wherever I can and I try to, you know, drop little seeds of something and I'll always mention that me and Nicole go to mass every Sunday and things like that. So it's, it's a tricky one, you know, um, straight down, a little far out, and there's different. There's a gay section of fire Island, that's, uh, terry Grove. That's not where I was.

Speaker 1: 1:00:42

Um, who are the lepers of today? Uh, wait, but lepers of today, uh wait, did I lose that question? Uh, who are the lepers of today? Honest question. Oh, it depends what, uh, what you mean by that?

Speaker 1: 1:00:55

Well, well, they are treated as outcasts. Right, like we are treated as outcasts, but you'll still see a universal revulsion of when you see homeless people just around, you know, and if you don't have exposure to that, you don't really understand that, like they are the gross outcasts of society that nobody wants to meet. You know, they're waiting at every traffic light that I come to with the cup in their hand and you're like I'm not putting money in this cup because I know this guy's just going to go put it up his arm. So you know, I would think they're probably lepers. All right, we're in an hour. I want to go over to Locals, I want to cover the James Lindsay story and then I want to James Lindsay and I want to talk to you about how the gun show is going with Adrian. We'll see what you guys are doing over there.

Speaker 2: 1:01:48

Before we go to locals, though, we should tell everyone that, if you want a really good deal that we can't actually talk about yet, you want to join locals and not just join locals. Join for a year, which I did. Is it set at 50 bucks? Is that what I said it to? I?

Speaker 1: 1:02:05

think so, but it will work out for you in the long run, yeah, so it's 50 bucks for a year.

Speaker 2: 1:02:11

Now, locals will only be around for six to eight more weeks, but in that transition you will get that remainder of the year as a subscription to way more than just me and Anthony whoever, whoever has a local subscription, your subscription will be fulfilled wherever we end up, but we may not be on locals soon. That's all we can say. If you are a monthly locals, you will get the remainder of that month, but then after that it will be a different subscription cost, and it will probably be a slight increase.

Speaker 1: 1:02:45

Not much, but a slight increase.

Speaker 2: 1:02:47

It will still be a good deal, but if you really want a good deal, you're gonna get you're gonna get a lot for your, for your money.

Speaker 1: 1:02:56

Let's just say that there's some fun things that we're gonna be able to announce, uh, so all right, so we're gonna go over to locals, we'll talk over there, maybe we'll maybe we'll spill the beans a little more over there. We can't do it over here, though, you guys. You guys on youtube. We're not allowed to tell you, so we spill the beans a little more over there. We can't do it over here, though you guys on YouTube, we're not allowed to tell you, so we spill the beans a little more over there. I might have some personal stories to share over there, too, if we don't have enough content to fill the time. So, all right, we're heading over. Take us out, rob.

Speaker 2: 1:03:20

Okay, I'm just going to start cutting things.

Speaker 1: 1:03:31

Because I didn't get the taffy videos. This is cool because, uh, uh, fed calderon is a is protestant, he watches our show and he's uh, yeah, he, he just enjoys our show. You know, and I think that I think that, like protestants do generally agree with our moral takes on cultural issues, things like that. You know, even, even even if we do go down like a specifically Catholic road, I do think that there's agreement in places like that, and I think Fed went to his first mass recently, so he's definitely like looking into things. So just keep fedding your prayers, guys.

Speaker 2: 1:04:03

Okay, we're ready to actually go to locals now, mm-hmm.