Faithful Protectors: How Men Can Safeguard Our Families After Annunciation - Guns 'N Rosaries Ep. 2

The intersection of faith and self-protection creates complex questions for many Catholics, especially in light of recent church shootings like the one at Annunciation Parish. Drawing from Church history, papal teachings, and the Catechism, we unpack the surprising truth: the Catholic Church has consistently upheld not just the right but often the duty of self-defense.

Contrary to modern assumptions, Catholics throughout history routinely carried weapons at Mass—from swords in medieval times to firearms in frontier churches. Pope Saint John Paul II's powerful words in Evangelium Vitae affirm that "legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for another's life." We explore how this teaching aligns with Scripture, particularly 1 Timothy 5:8, which places responsibility on men to protect their families as a fundamental expression of faith.

Beyond theology, we discuss practical considerations for parish security teams: controlling access points, training in de-escalation techniques, emergency medical preparedness, and the careful selection of appropriate equipment. For individuals, we address choosing reliable firearms, proper training, and navigating parish politics when establishing security measures.

The Church's wisdom offers a balanced approach that respects both the sacredness of life and the obligation to defend it. As Catholics navigate these waters, we're called to thoughtful preparation rather than fearful reaction—recognizing that protecting those in our care is a profound expression of love in an increasingly unpredictable world.

What responsibility do you bear for those in your care, and how might you fulfill this duty with both prudence and courage?

Chapters

• 0:00 The Spiritual War: Setting the Stage
• 13:43 Holiday Conversations and Gun Mishaps
• 42:06 Traditional Baptism Challenges
• 1:27:30 The Catholic Position on Self-Defense
• 1:41:16 Church Teaching on Just Force
• 1:52:53 The Annunciation Parish Shooting Analysis
• 1:57:09 Creating Parish Security Teams
• 1:57:15 Practical Security Measures for Churches
• 1:57:15 Questions on Carrying and Equipment

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

The middle children of history. Man, no purpose or place. You have no great war, no great depression. Our great war is a spiritual war. What's up everyone? Happy Labor Day to everyone. I can't imagine we're going to have a huge audience being a holiday, but I figure we should probably keep to a schedule or try to anyways.

Speaker 2: 0:56

Yeah, it was a little hard to keep on my schedule today with the weekend and everything Like I was telling you earlier. I earlier to the kids camping and it was my daughter's birthday this weekend and she's entering an age I'm not ready for, and so it's been. It's been a whole lot of like dad getting used to things that you know he was not expecting to be used to yet. Uh, fair enough, do some do some camping, do some fishing? Um, we've got a sick cow. We, I'm trying to figure out what her issue is. Um, so I've been trying to take care of her today as well, but it's been a good weekend. I had a mishap last week that I posted on an x, my, uh, my usual carry glock. This is a glock 19. I've got a swamp Fox optics on it and close red dot and apparently the rounds were ejecting right into the glass. I don't know if y'all can see that I'm flagging everybody.

Speaker 2: 1:53

Don't worry, it's it's empty, Um because like a bullet's going to come through the screen. There's a crack, apparently it was ejecting straight from into the end of the glass.

Speaker 2: 2:05

um, I'm flagging everybody in there to get used to it, uh, and it just cracked on me and so I'm not real happy about that. Um, I've got barely a thousand rounds on this optic, barely. I think I just broke it this rain session, um, because I had, you know, like with your 43, you were having issues with the ejector. I thought I was having issues with mine too. I didn't know if it was like a Gen 5 thing, but apparently I just had old ammo, because when I buy ammo I buy it in like 1,000 rounds at a time. It's just cheaper, it's cheaper that way.

Speaker 2: 2:37

Especially now. You know you can get free shipping, sometimes so it makes it even cheaper. Yeah, sometimes so it makes it even cheaper. Yeah, but um, I apparently had some older ammo and like it, just did not like it. Man, I was getting failure feeds, um, and it was like two different companies. It was blazer and it was, uh, I think, freedom munitions, and it just was not, but I threw it. But then I threw it my cz shadow, uh, compact and it did yeah like a fat kid, you know, um, and so I just threw some.

Speaker 2: 3:07

I bought some new cz ammo, um, and there's a. I've got a local gun shop that sells a lot of cz stuff, um, as far as like from tecla to rocky and uh, yeah, they've got a bunch of nine mil and I threw that in it and it did fine and so it had to be in the ammo. I thought it was the mags, because usually when you have, like a failure to feed or any type of um failure on a on a firearm, the first thing you want to look at is the magazine, usually the magazine um. But no, it wasn't the magazines, because it happened on every single magazine I had um. But yeah, man, I thought, man, I just bought this because the reason I bought the glock? Because I used to carry a Shadow Systems MR920. And I went to a shooting course with a guy and I didn't have any issues, but two other guys who had Shadow Systems, theirs was just failing nonstop and I was like man, is my going to do that?

Speaker 2: 3:59

I got paid way too much for this gun for it to be failing yeah they're not cheap.

Speaker 2: 4:09

I'll go back to old, trustworthy and go back to the glock, because I used to carry a uh, converted glock 23 that I put a nine millimeter barrel in and, um, I used to carry that all the time. I didn't have an optic on it, so that when I went to the mr920s for the optics and so then I went back to the clock and then I started having issues with the glock and I said, oh my, what is going on? Um, I just found out it was just old ammo. Just, I mean, it's really old. It was like nine years old that's okay, that is pretty old, I need to cycle.

Speaker 2: 4:30

I need to cycle through my ammo a little bit more often. I think, uh, then it was just like it was in the back and I think it felt neglected, you know, and it was like. It was like poor little red, yeah, exactly. Just asking for me to play with him.

Speaker 1: 4:47

JD says from one Marine to another Semper Fidelis Prayer's going up for Minneapolis. He'll be there in a few weeks. I've been to the Church of All Saints once, jd, and might be having Sebastian, our newest baptizer, there. We'll see. We're having trouble finding a place to get a traditional baptism.

Speaker 2: 5:10

In your diocese. Is it a rule that you have to be registered at that parish to be able to be baptized there?

Speaker 1: 5:16

I don't believe so, but our diocese does not allow traditional baptisms at all.

Speaker 2: 5:25

Does not allow traditional baptism settle, so if you just.

Speaker 1: 5:30

I mean so the local FSSP parishes or wherever they're not willing just to accommodate y'all. Oh well, so we go two hours to our one diocese in TLM. The next set of TLMs is two hours further south in the Twin Cities, and that's a different diocese is two hours further south in the Twin Cities and that's a different diocese. With Philomena, our now second youngest, we went to the parish I grew up in, down in South St Paul, to get a traditional baptism. They were willing to accommodate us, no problem. But this time around they're unavailable for like the next month. We ideally don't want to wait that long. It's a busy bear, so I'm not too surprised.

Speaker 2: 6:07

But so in those instances would you be able to just tell the priest like, hey, I'm going to baptize her at home, but can we just cut you and schedule it out for a month and then come do it as well, just in case maybe I I haven't.

Speaker 1: 6:22

I want to try a couple other routes first. So I'm gonna check in with the FSSP in Minneapolis I could check. So Tyler is asking how close is the nearest SSPX chapel? There's a chapel in St Paul that gets a. They have a one mass, you know, one Sunday mass. There's a priory in St Cloud but Anthony's flying in for it. St Cloud doesn't have an airport so that doesn't ideally work. So I don't know If the SSP can't do it and we can't find a traditional baptism in the cities, I guess, worst case, maybe we could potentially do a new rite baptism after the TLM here in our diocese. I don't know, we'll see.

Speaker 2: 7:06

It's such a mess man Like like y'all talk about on y'all show, like I don't I don't fault anybody for I don't fault set of a contest, I don't fault people go to SSPX because we are in such confusion now, like you know, it was being passed all over x right now is like father james martin going to see the pope, right, and then pope leo, like obviously you know, and so all the narratives are coming out like he's obviously uh, proving of father james martin, like you don't know what was said. Right now he hasn't said anything against him, right, so I get why you think that, but we also don't know what was said. Um, and father james James Martin is not somebody that really tells the truth a lot, so yeah, and and he also knows he's got the secular world on his side.

Speaker 1: 7:53

So and a lot of money on his side too.

Speaker 2: 7:56

Yeah. So if a Pope does finally come down on the Skittles section of the Catholic church, you're going to be, you're're gonna have to be willing to reap the whirlwind on that right, and unfortunately we don't. We have very few bishops that were picked because they have a backbone right and so true I just, I just don't, I don't fault anybody, like in the situation y'all are in.

Speaker 2: 8:22

you know, because I had a friend right after judicious custodians happened and he had a daughter, he had to transfer to our diocesan Latin mass parish to get his child baptized in the old rite because they wouldn't let it happen at any of the Novus Ordo, even though all my children were baptized at a Novus Ordo parish right In the traditional rite.

Speaker 2: 8:43

In the traditional rite and the parish right, um, in the traditional right, and the priest is very, he's very on board with latin mass, but unfortunately he can't do it. You won't, they won't let him do it at that parish specifically. Uh, so you know. But he had, you know, in our diocese you can't be baptized somewhere you're not registered. So he registered our parish and now he's at the ordinary you know, which is a bastard stepchild of the Latin mass pretty much. And so here in our diocese we're very, we have a lot of Episcopalian churches, a lot of Methodists and I think an ordinary it would do phenomenal there.

Speaker 2: 9:21

We've already had multiple like Episcopalian churches, or at least the people that go there all converted once.

Speaker 2: 9:27

It's happened a couple times in this dynasty oh, really, um yeah um priest and everything so yeah so, yeah, pastors came over and everything, um, and so we've had that apparently happened a couple times now before I got here I've only been here like seven or eight years but um, I think it would, as the, but I think it would, as the kids say, I think it would kill, right, like it would, just, it would go crazy because we have, we have a lot man, even our. Well, I'll say this we have an Anglican church here who the pastor there is getting a lot of flack Cause he's sounding a bit too Catholic and so, um, and cause he's friends with you know, some other people I know, but I so I've heard through you know, third, fourth hand sources, but, um, I think it would do phenomenal here. Uh, just cause we have so many, cause you have so many Episcopalians that I know, in fact, I know two guys personally who came over from the Episcopalian church cause they are a little too gay. Like he's, like I just got tired of hearing it. He's like now he goes to a pretty traditional, you know, vernacular mass. Um, you know, and he loves it there, like he's a people still talk like this.

Speaker 2: 10:28

But, yeah, you just gotta find the right people. Man, hang out with them. Go to gun rangers. You'll find them there, um, but I just think it. You know it's just, we're in a really horrible situation and I don't fault anybody. Like we've had discussions about. You know there are certain, you know about certain people I don't like right and I'm like, but I'm not willing to like throw them to the side just because I disagree with them on a majority of the opinions they have they're wrong about everything.

Speaker 2: 10:57

Yeah they're still on our side, right, um, and so I just I'm not willing to do that with anybody. That because we are surrounded on all sides and we should not be throwing any allies away right now, whatsoever.

Speaker 1: 11:10

My, uh, my melancholic side gets the better of me, uh, sometimes, especially on Twitter, as you've noticed. Yeah, yep, but yeah, it is it's. I don't know. It shouldn't be this hard to get your kid baptized. It really shouldn't.

Speaker 2: 11:24

No, it's, I don't know. It shouldn't be this hard to get your kid baptized, it really shouldn't? No, they were well and then they would. Then they would, you know, respond back with we'll just get it done in the new right. What's wrong with you? Right? It's not as good, yeah exactly, exactly.

Speaker 1: 11:38

How do I tell you this?

Speaker 2: 11:39

you know like uh have you?

Speaker 1: 11:41

have you? Have you seen like the world today, like, yeah, our kids need exorcisms when they get born.

Speaker 2: 11:46

Come on, guys just just the mere fact that they have to ask that indicates that they're one has to be better than the other. Yeah, so then, looking at it on it, on its merits, right, like what? Which one is it? Um? So, yeah, I get it, you know, and and you're in a position where, like you, might have to do some stuff that you just don't tell anybody, right, like it's been between you and the priest.

Speaker 1: 12:12

The problem with the baptism is that, like the parish you're baptized at and a lot of people don't know this the parish you're baptized at, that parish holds all of your sacramental records for the rest of your life. So, like um, which is is difficult, because now before sebastian, my three, my, my first three kids their sacramental records are at three different parishes. You know so that that becomes troublesome. You know, when you go for First Communion, confirmation, marriage later in life, they have to go to the parish they were baptized to get their sacramental record. So, like I know a few priests, I could fly in, you know, to do a traditional baptism, you know, undercover, no problem, that would be easy. Where am I going to find a parish to give us a baptismal certificate from? You know and hold and hold their baptismal records at that point.

Speaker 2: 13:15

Yeah, yeah, I, um, when I had, when I came back into the church, you know, 10 years ago it was about 10 years ago. Anyway, my wife and I, a few years later, had to have a it's called a radical stagnation of our marriage, because I didn't get a dispensation when I, when we got married, and because I was I was, you know had drifted away from the church, um, and, thankfully, my parish, like that, I grew up when I got all my sacraments at, uh, it's still there, uh, thankfully, um, and so I was able to get it, but it took forever to get it. Uh, you know, and and because, like they still, in fact, they called me one day. They're like, hey, uh, you know, do you have a number I can fax this to? And I was like, well, I don't, I don't, you know, I don't have. And my comment was like, oh, you know, you know we don't have that here. She's like we don't have that, where I was like in 2020 or 2018.

Speaker 1: 14:08

Like we don't use faxes anymore. In the 21st century, we don't have fax.

Speaker 2: 14:12

Why don't you send it to me on the Pony Express, you know, and I was like just email it. No, we have to send it through fax or by, you know, personal, the US Postal Service. I'm like that doesn't make any sense, because now you're in a position what happens when those parishes close, as we're seeing in a lot of dioceses? Do they just all go to the cathedral? That would make sense.

Speaker 1: 14:36

Yeah, I don't know, that's a good question.

Speaker 2: 14:45

What ends up happening? Um, you know. And so, if you have all these parishes that do, because, like mine's, the parish I grew up in this is now part of a cluster, right?

Speaker 2: 14:54

like it's, one one priest over like four parishes. Um, you know what happens when it's not there anymore. Like what do we do, you know? Because I, I don't know. So it's, yeah, I don't envy someone in your position, especially after traditionals, because I was especially after these young families having all these kids and like what do we? You know, our english mass won't, won't do the, don't do the mass, or it won't do the right, right. So what do we do? So it's rough, man, you know. That's why I don't fault anybody. Go to the SSPV if you need to. We got one here in Alabama too. We talked about that during traditionalist custodians.

Speaker 2: 15:32

When that happened, like what do we do if they take our mass? I think the majority opinion was look, the mass is the most important thing, but community is right there too, and we have a really good community at our parish. And so we were like man, we're going to make this English Mass as like, reverent as possible and we're just going to annoy everybody with it. You know you're going to have very few things in actual English, I think you know, if that ever happened. But thankfully we haven't had to deal with that, you know. But I was like, hey, man, I know some. There's an SSPX across state lines and I know some folks over there and he'd be willing to come over here and do a mass. I got some land, we can throw up some tents, we can make this happen, but thankfully we haven't had to come up to that yet, and so we'll have to see where things go.

Speaker 1: 16:32

Yeah, the community thing is hard, like you know, because we live in a very, very rural area and you know, like I, I work with multiple guys that that go to the, the local parishes. Like it would be very, very easy to be a part of the Catholic community here, but we're not going to Mass here, I can't send my kids to the faith formation here, and it's hard to have a community that's two hours away that you have a hard time getting to once a week on a Sunday afternoon, let alone for an activity on Wednesday nights or something like that. It's just not possible. So you feel like you're entirely alone, which is one reason why Ant and I built this channel. Yeah, because it's given us that sort of community that it's so hard to find out there as well, just as faithful Catholics in general, let alone trads.

Speaker 2: 17:24

Yeah, yeah, well, just as faithful catholics in general, let alone trads, yeah, yeah. So, uh, let's get into the topic that happened last week with the mcason parish um, and I think where I, where I'd like to start, is um, really where it came from the responses you got on your post on on x, just showing like what you would be carrying that day, right, let me, let me just pull that up, I guess I don't.

Speaker 1: 17:49

You know I complain about anthony always making this a twitter review show, but for those of you who aren't on twitter, let me just see if I can pull up my original post. Uh, share my screen here, so I I will. I will admit this is a little bit of a mass fit post, so it's a little gay in that sense, but but it's not, it's not vain and that I was showing in it at all and it really was done just to kind of, I don't know, try to change the the weird. I don't know, I'll try to change the the weird. I don't know what it's like down South by you, but like up here, like Yankee Catholicism really is like anti-gun.

Speaker 2: 18:30

So, so, before we get into this, I've got a story. So I went to Minneapolis about three years ago, I'm sorry and uh, you know, I was up there for a conference for work, and we, after the conference was over, um, we ended up going to a restaurant in uh, somewhere I can't remember what it's called, apparently like the mafia used to own it, whatever. First time I ever had, uh, fermented, what was it called? Some type of fish? Um, lutefisk, no man, what was it? It was delicious, by the way, but I mean, that's the german in me, I like everything fermented, but, um, anyway, so we're it's me and other guys, it's just nothing but me and a table full of guys.

Speaker 2: 19:10

I have my job and, um, I, we were having a conversation about god. That's a. Is that a sub, sub comment? Sub, yeah, subtweet comment. So, yeah, a sub YouTube comment. That's funny, bobby. And we were just having a conversation about God, right and just whatever, and just talking about the faith, whatever. And we had a table next to us Apparently, it was a man and a woman and decided it was their mission to come and confront us about our conversation and confront us about our conversation, and it was a very boss, lady, woman and a very subdued husband or boyfriend or whatever he was.

Speaker 2: 19:52

And she just yeah, it could have been a brother, who knows. And she decided to tell us that it was irresponsible of us to be having this conversation in public and be calling God a he and like I'm just like you know, know, I'm at the end of the week, I'm just really just done and I'm ready to go home. And I just kept telling like hey, thank you, appreciate that, have a nice night. And she just had she had to tell us like she had to get on her pedestal and I just kept thinking, like we're in minneapolis, right, where, like, literally, was founded by German Catholics pretty much the whole area, right, your cathedral could fit five of my cathedrals.

Speaker 2: 20:32

Yeah, yeah, the Cathedral of St Paul is massive Love that place Right, and this woman thought it was. And I was like where am I? Like? I'm so thankful I live in the South, especially Alabama, which is literally just like the South. Yeah, and I get in this conversation with my wife all the time. If you're South of the Mason Dix line, you made it, you're in the, you're in the, you're on the team. Okay, north of the Mason Dix line Can't help you. But I was like man, I'm just cause like I'll go to Publix here and go get some, you know, groceries or whatever, and I'll just start having a conversation with the person in front of me waiting in line. We'll talk about Jesus, we'll talk about God, we'll talk about everything.

Speaker 1: 21:12

And it does not happen up here.

Speaker 2: 21:14

Right. So if y'all are in occupied territory and you want to move to freedom, come to Alabama. All right, so let's pull up your post.

Speaker 1: 21:25

So I just I said men, what are you all carrying a mask today, with a picture of what I carried two masks yesterday? And you know, there are posts that you purposefully kind of create to get out of your little circle and cause issues. This was not one of them. I did not want this post to get out of your little circle and cause issues. This was not one of them. I did not want this post to get out of out of my little circle, and yet it's got almost 200 000 views and boy did it piss some people off.

Speaker 2: 21:53

It's amazing it's amazing, are you? Are you monetized yet on an x? Uh, I did just recently monetize, yeah that's gonna that going to be like a few rounds of that's going to be like 10 bucks yeah. Yeah, so I think, and that's, you know, a big reason we wanted to start doing this was we've got to change the culture of because the Catholic church is known as the anti-gun church right, which we have no right Like that should not even be, especially in america, should not be even in the same conversation it is the american bishops that made us the anti-gun church yes, so, um, that was a big thing of this.

Speaker 2: 22:36

Wanting to do this type of show was to change that culture. Yeah, right, a little bit, right. Hopefully some of y'all go out and do bigger, better things than we do here and y'all can change it even more. But, like, this is the whole purpose of this is to have to develop the community so that we can have like minded folks that are taking responsibility for the protection of themselves and their families, or taking protection, you know, taking responsibility to protect other people too. You know, because, like, if I'm out by myself, um, I may not carry all the time, right, and because, in whatever the situation is, if I'm going somewhere like a, you know, like a courthouse or something that I can't carry, right, I'm not leaving the car or whatever, right, but I'm okay, within that position, that if something happens, I don't have a firearm on me, right, like, like I could die, right, and that's. I'm willing to accept that.

Speaker 2: 23:27

But when I'm out with my wife and my four young children, three of which are girls, I will do some horrible things to protect them. Right, I'm willing to do levels of violence that would shock a lot of you, because my job and my duty is to protect my family. That is completely my, my responsibility, my responsibility only, and if I fail in that, I have to answer for that. So, um, that was a you know, when I saw that on your post, because I didn't really get to really look at it till today. It made a little bit last night and I was yeah, you were camping.

Speaker 2: 24:04

That's right. Yeah, I just, I just looking at it I was like it's a lot of liberal catholics still who bring up the trope of uh, you should be carrying a mass anyway, like that, that's the sacrifice of the mass. You should, you shouldn't be doing that. That's, that's blasphemy. Like you would be shocked to enter a mass in the 1200s, like the amount of men there that were at least carrying a long dagger, right, at least, if not some of them having scored, which was the, the contemporary version of carrying a handgun yes, right.

Speaker 2: 24:39

and so like, how shocked, like, would you rather I carry a sword? Like I'm not a Columbus? They issue one. Pretty much, I'll show up with a sword if I need to Trust me.

Speaker 1: 24:48

You want to see someone getting run through with a sword far less than you want to see them getting shot with a 9mm.

Speaker 2: 24:54

Yes, the violence required to kill someone with a sword is a whole lot bloodier than shooting somebody. Yeah, but just seeing some of the responses you got, man, or like what was one of them was well, so you know, living in fear, right?

Speaker 1: 25:18

Well, no, like living in fear would mean that you're not willing to protect anybody. I never I don't even necessarily think this is the case, but say I never owned a gun. And what happened in you know, annunciation, you know made me so afraid to the point where I went and got one just so I could carry a church Cause I thought for sure someone's going to shoot up a church maybe then. But like I carry every time I leave the house, so it's not any different for me, it's. I'm not any more feel fearful now than I was 10 years ago when I started carrying.

Speaker 2: 25:47

Yeah, so in Afghanistan you are not allowed to go anywhere. If you're on any FOB like forward operating base, right. You are not allowed to go anywhere without a firearm on you, at least right. And one is for responsibility, like you should have it within arm rate, but you never know when you're going to need it either. You're mostly safe on the forward operating base, like I was. I mostly operated a five leatherneck and Helmand province when I was there. But you're required to have it one to show that you have it Right. And then you didn't lose it, cause I can't tell you how many lieutenants lost their, their M nine in a port-a-potty right or their as well, they're in for leaving a port-a-potty.

Speaker 2: 26:25

I returned twice to myself, but it's okay, biden lost thousands, yeah, yeah, so, uh, you are, and you know when they did have mass. Yes, you're required to have it on you and a lot of times you're required for it to be loaded right. It depends on you know, if you're on in in the outer reaches of the empire in Afghanistan, like where I was, if we had a priest come by and he did mass, if you don't have a magazine in, you have one nearby, but once you left the wire, you had one in.

Speaker 1: 26:57

Were they chambered. I don't know the policy.

Speaker 2: 27:01

It depends, it really depended. So once you stepped outside the wire, you have to have around around in the chamber, you have to right.

Speaker 2: 27:08

You have to be able to throw that selector off real quick and go to work if you need to, but on base not so. But you can just have a magazine and be ready to rack it if you needed to. It just depends. But like our base was only was surrounded by Hesco berries, which is basically just a canvas bag in a, in a metal netting that was filled with dirt. Right, it was an illusion of safety. Yes, it was stopped like an rpg, but like it was only going to last for so long.

Speaker 2: 27:32

Um, so it is a little bit of illusion safety, but yes, all the time, like you know, plenty of times, are you? Throughout history, do we have uh, weapons being openly born, openly shown, openly worn or anything in the mass? You know, even you know there are some apostles out there that, during a mass, require you to lift a sword that they issue you, right? So the fact that we are so scared of weapons and a faith that developed the just war theory is asinine. It is, and so we we need to uh stop, start taking away the stigma and get rid of the stigma of being able to protect ourselves I.

Speaker 1: 28:21

so, um, I did look up to see if there were any any previous uh cannons issued by synods or councils that at any point banned weapons at mass, and the only things I could find were some cannons from very local synods, um, between about the year 500. So, like in North Africa, there were some in the year 500. So, like in North Africa, there were some in the 500s, but they applied, like I said, only to local areas. And, like in the 500s in North Africa, that's the heart of the Roman Empire, you know, like you were safe, as safe there as anywhere. Yeah, there were a few issued under charlemagne, um, but once again, you know, that's, that's the, you know, the heart of the, the carolinian empire.

Speaker 1: 29:13

After charlemagne, though, like, there are no even local cannons that I could find that banned weapons at mass. And if you think about historically at that point I mean you, you know, the north africa at that point was well, was then muslim, um, the rest of europe was under attack. So after the kind of the, the safety and security of of of rome fell, those, those even local cannons, stopped being issued. So there's never, as far as I could find, there was never any universal canon that banned laity from having weapons. There were some, I think, in the Middle Ages that banned clergy from carrying weapons.

Speaker 2: 29:56

Yeah, it's just when you think of the, the world we live in now, right with the, how easy it is to commit violent acts of terrorism, and how often churches have been attacked like an initiation parish, because the kid that did that went to that parish, right, his mother had worked there, yes, right, but so he had some connection there at least, right, um, and so he knew it, and that was somebody that was on the inside, right, and so how easy, how much easier is it for him because, one, he knows the layout, because we saw on the manifesto, he, he had basically written out a battle plan and where he planned on, he had a map drawn from memory.

Speaker 2: 30:45

Yeah, right, and so, um, it was a lot easier for him because he knew the inside, whereas, like you know, someone who aloha snack bar, right, may not know, you know the, the layout of local parishes, and so they're just kind of working blind if they do something. But how easy it for them to do some type of vehicle-borne attack crashing through the, the narthex and into the building right, that you know, we saw in, uh, waukesha, wisconsin, a few years ago, um, where he went through the parade right and killed a bunch of people, um, the, the deadliest item most people have access to is a vehicle, right? How easy it would be for them to you know, as everybody's coming out of mass, to just plow through people as they're coming out of mass, right, and so oh, or a procession, eucharistic procession or something.

Speaker 2: 31:33

Imagine, you know, doing Corpus Christi and all of a sudden you have a Toyota Camry, you know just plowing through people, right, and it's not hard because you can't stop a vehicle, because it's a couple thousand pounds, and there's really nothing you can do other than having barriers up in some way. But we're getting behind something. But you know the world we live in and with the amount of violence that's going on by people who just hate us, whether they hate you for your politics, they hate you for your religion, whatever it is, so some of the things. So we we I had intended to have Rick Barrett on and he unfortunately apparently was in Rome over the weekend and his flight couldn't make it back in time. He apologized for not being able to be here, but I'm going to quote extensively from his book.

Speaker 2: 32:22

His book is a fantastic resource and it's everything just basically summarized and put together for everyone to educate themselves on what is the actual Catholic position on carrying a firearm. So we're going to go through this fairly quickly because I want to get into what could have been done at Annunciation Parish and what I would suggest and maybe helping y'all get some ideas of where you go from here, if maybe you don't have any type of security team at your parish or anything, how do you establish one? We can go from there, but I'm going to start in Chapter 3 because I want to go over some of the books.

Speaker 1: 32:56

Do you want to show everyone the book and read the text?

Speaker 2: 32:58

Yeah, so this is. You all can see I've got some notes ready to go. So this is the book. Right, it's like 15 bucks on Amazon. You can get a PDF of it as well, but it's a great resource. Apple Books has it for two bucks. Apple Books does yeah. So if you like electronic books, I don't, but if you do, it's great, two bucks. Not only that, but then you can read. You, you know, you'll be able to search it and stuff and like I had to actually read it to find where what I wanted, um, you're gonna sit in chapter three. So chapter three, we're gonna start with the popes. So, starting with a quote from pope saint john paul, the second 1995 encyclical, evangelium vitae, let me see if I can zoom in on this here.

Speaker 2: 33:47

Oh, come on it's gonna start with certainly um next page.

Speaker 1: 34:00

I think okay, right here.

Speaker 2: 34:02

So uh yeah so as it starts. So this is from 1995, john paul ii. Certainly, the intrinsic value of life and the duty to love oneself no less than others are the basis of a true right to self-defense. The demanding commandment of love of neighbor set forth in the Old Testament, confirmed by Jesus itself, presupposes love of oneself as the basis of comparison. You shall love your neighbor as yourself. Consequently, no one can renounce the right to self-defense out of lack of love for life or for self. This can only be done in virtue of heroic love, which deepens and transfigures the love of self into a radical self-offering according to the spirit of the gospel of the attitudes. The sublime example of this self-offering is the lord jesus himself. So one you know when you're deciding to protect yourself. Right, you have a right to your body. Right, you have a right to your own protection. You have a right to your safety, and so you have a right to defend yourself against someone who….

Speaker 1: 35:13

And rights and responsibilities go hand in hand. So if God gave you that right, God has given you also a responsibility to protect yourself.

Speaker 2: 35:21

Right. So even if it's just you, you know you have to be willing to accept the consequences, right. So, like I was bringing up earlier, I don't always carry. Depending where I'm at, depending on what's going on, I'm willing to accept that consequence. Where I'm at, depending on what's going on, I'm willing to accept that consequence. I'm willing to go in to that establishment, right, and knowing what may happen, and I'm okay with that and you have to. You have to be okay with that as well. But you also have to be okay to accept the consequences If you decide not to abide by something that they, that they ask you to do.

Speaker 2: 35:53

Right, I have been kicked out of businesses for carrying when they didn't want me to. That's okay, that's their right, that's their business, right, I don't have to be there either. I can give my business to someone else, and I do most often. But if I'm meeting somebody for lunch or something and it's a place they like, I'm willing to be kicked out, right, at least here in Alabama they just kick you out. Some states they'll arrest you. But so know your local ordinances and be willing to accept the consequences, all right. So then, continue on. Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty can be not only a right but a grave duty. That's important Grave duty for someone responsible for another's life, the common good of the family or of the state. Unfortunately, it happens that the need to render the aggressor incapable of causing harm sometimes involves taking his life. In this case, the fatal outcome is attributable to the aggressor whose action brought it about, even though he may not be morally responsible because of a lack of the use of reason.

Speaker 2: 37:00

That's an important part there.

Speaker 2: 37:02

Yeah, it's a grave duty, Right? So if any of y'all follow me on on X, you'll see I keep quoting this same scripture verse over and over and over. Right, because it is important 1 Timothy 5, 8,. But if any man not care of his own, and especially of those of his house, he hath denied the faith and is worse than an infidel. Right, you are responsible for your family as the protector, provider, presider of your family. Right, you are responsible for them and their safety depends on you. If you are unwilling to do what you need to do to take care of them, you're going to answer that and it won't be good. So that's going through the Pope's and we're, and we're just going to keep going down. This is going to be a lot of stuff that y'all can find in this book.

Speaker 1: 37:56

I like that we start at a Pope that at least most of us probably involved in this channel would consider one of the more modernist liberal Popes.

Speaker 2: 38:07

But even JP2 recognized not only the right but the responsibility and duty to use whatever means, at least proportional means, to defend yourself and remember where he came from, right and like, where what he grew up under, right, so it, and that's, that's helped, uh, give him the foundation for the understanding of that right. Um, you know, because you have a lot of people who live, you know, like in europe, right, a lot of places in europe right now they're even outlawing knives, like you can't even have a knife, um, but they don't seem to go after immigrants who have fully automatic aks, right, but you say something about them and all of a sudden, you know, you're, you're snatched up, like we saw with that little girl in scotland was she 14 years old protecting her little sister she understood her duty better than most men do, and now she's being arrested for it.

Speaker 2: 39:01

Um, so, yes, I agree it, pope saint john paul ii is, uh, probably the best person for most people that have grown up in the last 50 years, um, to really uh, bring it home that you know one that they idolize as much as he. As him, you know, he really respect what he did, um, he needed. Even. He says look, you know, you have a right, you have a grave duty, that is, that is no laughing matter. Right, you have a, you have a responsibility to do that. All right. So then, if you get into chapter four, going over what the church, the church actually say, right, and this is just, you know, catechism after council, after catechism, after code of canon law, right, and I'm only going to hit a few of these, um, so the two um big ones is, you know, we have the catechism of trent if a man kill another in self-defense, having used every means consistent with his own safety to avoid the infliction of death, he evidently does not violate this commandment speaking of the fifth commandment, correct.

Speaker 2: 40:13

So you're, and it comes down to like, just for theory, with a proportionate response, right, if someone is breaking into your house, like don't set off a claymore, right, you know, like, don't, don't shove a bunch of tannerite, and you know, a pillow right by the door and blow that thing up as they're coming in, right, like, let's make it apportionate, right? So, um, it's, uh, I have known of guys in wartime who have gone a little bit overboard, right, um. But, uh, you know, uh, a Roomba will hold approximately one pound of tannerite. I don't know who needs to know that, but that's an experiment that has been tried. One pound of tannerite is a lot of tannerite. You throw some nuts and bolts in there too, man, it's a party.

Speaker 2: 41:18

We'll go on for the council of trinity, then we get into the the. Let's see baltimore catechism, right? Question 1276 under what circumstances may human life be lawfully taken? Answer human life may be lawfully taken, one in self-defense, when we are unjustly attacked and have no other means of saving our own lives. Okay, you can't just go out like that. That's why revenge is not acceptable, right, um, after the threat is gone, uh, you have to let it go. Now we can get into it, because that's a conversation I've had.

Speaker 2: 41:53

I've asked Timothy Flanders you know, at what point are we in self-defense, right? So like, for example, say, your local government has become corrupt and they want to come snatch up your children because you won't let them learn the Skittles faith, right? Skittles faith, right. Um, like, at what point are you justified, right? Do they have to put hands on your kid and try to pull them away from you physically? Or can you stop before they come in the driveway? Right? Or can you stop before they get into your neighborhood? Like, where? At what point? Right, yeah, do you.

Speaker 2: 42:29

Because if they're coming to your house, and you know they're coming to their house and they're coming to take your child away from you, right? So at what point do you feel threatened? And, and do your, are you fearing for the safety of your child children? Um, so I don't know, I can't answer that for you. Um, I can just answer what I would do and I won't say that on this stream, but, uh, that's not. Just know that, like, you have to be willing to accept the consequences, all right. So then we get into the Catechism 2006. All right, this should be on the next page.

Speaker 1: 43:05

Do you want otherwise? 2265, and the CCC is good, 2265. And this is part of what jp2 quoted from.

Speaker 2: 43:19

And yeah, legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. This is another reason that the death penalty is in the in scripture right is listed has always been taught by the church yeah, right is it's funny how this is.

Speaker 2: 43:44

This completely contradicts francis's edit later on in the catechism because, I mean, we had this issue in alabama a couple years. Two years ago, an inmate escaped with a um corrections officer and he ended up killing two more people before he got apprehended right, and so if he had been legitimately given the death penalty, that would have saved those two people's lives, and just in that aspect, not even taking into account getting him to answer for his own sins and face death himself and hopefully repent.

Speaker 1: 44:23

Also, a defense of the common good isn't necessarily, even necessarily, like a threat of someone taking someone's life Now. Now I'm not talking about in the, in self-defense, but I'm talking about, like, uh, for capital punishment. You know you don't have to be worried about that person escaping prison necessarily to defend the common good with execution. You know it could be that and studies, studies prove this out that using capital punishment deters crime. In that that is a defense of the common good and therefore can justify the capital punishment. But that's a separate topic.

Speaker 2: 45:04

Yeah, yeah, and just finishing out, 2265, the last one really brings it home. For this reason, those who legitimately hold authority also have the right to use arms to repel aggressors against the civil community and trusted to their responsibility. So a lot of people are going to bring up. Well, it says hold, you know, authority or civil community right or civil community right. You have authority over your home, right? You have authority over your family. Your family is a civil community, so you are legitimately in authority. You don't have to be elected Elections are a recent invention, so you don't have to be put there by some overarching authority. You have authorities given to you by God that you are required to uphold and protect. That you are required to uphold and protect. So you don't have to think that, well, just because I'm not a police officer, then I don't have the authority. No, that's not the case. You are the priest, prophet and king of your home right, and you need to act accordingly, right? So we're gonna go over a couple others, and again, this is not exhaustive, we're not gonna go over all the stuff, all the citations that go over in this book. These are just kind of some wave tops. So y'all understand that this is our faith, this is our tradition. Right Is to protect life.

Speaker 2: 46:37

And then we get a little bit in the just war theory, which chapter six, not much I just really want to go over, really, the um, what satisfies just war? Um, because this really does take into account, because this, this guides how you respond, right and how you act. Um. So, over just war theory, um, it has to have a just cause, right, right. So this is where you know, revenge is outside the realm of possibility. Here you cannot seek someone out after the threat is gone, right, if somebody's breaking into your house and you shoot them and they run out and they run away, you cannot chase them down the street, right? So, with having a just cause, you are required to make sure that once the threat is gone or over, right, if you put them down, they can't shoot back at you. Well then, now you may have to render aid and keep them alive, right, you may. You know, hopefully, you know how to use a tourniquet or some chest seals or something, right. But then it has to be declared just by a recognized official authority. We've already done that, right it, if you are in self-defense, it is declared just by a recognized official, the highest authority right, um, it can only be waged with rightful intention to ultimately preserve civil order and lasting peace. So again, it has to be. The threat is there, the threat is imminent and the only option is either them or you, and you make it them Okay, and then the last one we'll get over.

Speaker 2: 48:09

And this is just kind of a throw in at the end. This is what chapter is this? So the USCCB, chapter seven? This is just kind of a throw in at the end. This is uh, what chapter is this? So the USCCB, chapter seven? I have a little quote. Um, so it's uh, I don't know if you have a page. Does he not have pages on numbers on here? That'd have been amazing if he did page numbers.

Speaker 1: 48:29

I have page numbers, but I don't think it'll match what you have.

Speaker 2: 48:32

I don't think I'm going to manage what you have. I don't. So it's after the Trujillo case. It goes after the proportionality of justice. There's a quote there from the USCCB yeah right, it should be next page. Okay, yeah right, there in the middle, in the italics Self-defense against an unjust aggressor is morally permitted.

Speaker 2: 48:55

There is also a moral duty for the defense of others by those who are responsible for their lives. Self-defense or the defense of others as the goal of protecting the person or persons threatened. Once the threat is eliminated, no further action is required in such situations. The deliberate killing of the aggressor can be permitted only when no other solution is possible, any response. So I threw this one in because it contradicts a lot of other things that the USCCB has stated. Yeah, it does, and so just know, you have all your bases covered. Whether we use canons, whether we use councils, whether we use the USCCB themselves, there is no reason for you to accept any answer from anyone saying otherwise. You have all the information you need. You just have to act accordingly with it.

Speaker 2: 49:47

So, with that, what could have been done differently at Annunciation Parish? So you're're gonna have to. I'm gonna have to lean on you a little bit, on rob, because I don't know what the laws are there. I know them pretty well, so okay, good. So at a school, do schools there have school resource officers? Public schools, yes, but private schools do not.

Speaker 1: 50:12

I I cannot say for certain. I don't know if maybe some do, some don't, but I do know multiple laws were attempted to be passed to give private schools the same funding for security and protection that public schools received, and those laws were not passed by the democrats here in minnesota yeah.

Speaker 2: 50:32

So here in in in Alabama we have school resource officers, but the schools have to pay for it, Right, so they will provide us someone. We just have to pay for it, Right so we, you know, like when my daughter was going to one of the local schools before we homeschooled, they had a school. He was there all day, Right, and so that provided a lot of deterrent from anybody doing anything. Now schools have been attacked even though they have school resource officers. The Appalachian High School in Georgia a couple of years ago was attacked and you know that was I used to. You know that was, you know, two miles away from where I lived when I lived in Georgia, when I was a firefighter there, and they had, I think, two school resource officers there. It might have been three. Anyway, it's a large school because it covers pretty much the whole county. They still had an attack there.

Speaker 1: 51:29

What about the one in Florida? Didn't the school resource officer? Wasn't he outside of the building and never went in? The one in Florida that didn't the school resource officer? Wasn't he outside of the building and never went?

Speaker 2: 51:44

in forget the one that made a what's his face? Famous David hog. Oh yeah, the one that he he wasn't actually there, yeah.

Speaker 1: 51:49

Yeah, yeah, exactly, I don't know. I feel like there was something about the school resource officer in that case.

Speaker 2: 51:57

But that's what happened in Annunciation Parish right, he was just shooting from the outside in through the windows.

Speaker 1: 52:02

Yeah, yeah. So at Annunciation, yeah, it was all. The school kids were in the chapel, the parish church for weekly mass, the chapel, the parish church for weekly mass, and I believe the front doors of that parish are locked so he couldn't get in the front and he knew that so he shot through, shot through the glass, the stained glass, I believe, on the side of the church, in hit them while they're in the pews.

Speaker 2: 52:31

Yeah, yeah, and the only thing you can do in that position is just get down, Like get underneath the pews If you're inside. Yeah, you know, if you're inside and someone starts shooting in through the stained glass to your parish, just get down, get underneath the pews. You know. Hopefully there's enough deflection there that they can stop the rounds.

Speaker 1: 52:56

Even if you're carrying in that situation like like, by the time you figure out what's going on, you know, assess the situation and start to to act, the shoot is probably effectively done. You know at that point?

Speaker 2: 53:03

I would imagine so uh, here in alabama, if someone has a parkland? Yes, yeah, yeah, that's right, because he's scared to go in like uval Right, and I remember him being sued and he ended up being acquitted because he had no duty to D2 to protect.

Speaker 1: 53:23

What.

Speaker 2: 53:24

Supreme court case was that.

Speaker 1: 53:26

I forget it was it's in Rick's book.

Speaker 2: 53:28

It's not Heller, is it? No, it's not Heller, it's a weird one.

Speaker 1: 53:32

It was on a subway in New York. The cop just sat there.

Speaker 2: 53:36

So, according to the Supreme Court, police are not required to protect you. They're only required to investigate afterwards.

Speaker 1: 53:43

The whole protect and serve thing most people think about when they think of cops was a slogan developed by a marketing team, I think in the 30s, for a sheriff's department.

Speaker 2: 53:55

They do not have a duty to protect and serve, which we saw in Uvalde Legal duty, legal duty yeah, they have moral duties yeah. They will not go to jail for not protecting you is basically what we're saying. Yeah, and we saw that in Uvalde too, because even the sheriff there eventually he just had to get fired right Because it was just a PR nightmare for him, but he's not doing any time for telling them not to go in, can't even bring a civil suit against him.

Speaker 2: 54:25

No. So just know when seconds matter. Police are minutes away, or right there and doing nothing, or right there and not doing anything right, which is why when it came to Uvalde I think Bortek is eventually the guys who went in Because it was parents of children there that decided to just go in because the cops weren't doing anything, alright. So in those instances, hopefully at your parish you have some type of security team right and they don't even have to be caring. If you just have somebody there that looks imposing, is wearing some type of uniform and makes it look like they're security, that's usually a deterrent for most people. Because your most common issue you're going to have at your parish is crazy people. People just like you know they have a screw loose and they're wanting to just come raise a ruckus at your parish.

Speaker 2: 55:19

And you know we've had an issue here at one of our parishes where a guy came in the middle of mass, walked down the aisle, sat in the front row and started, took out a permanent marker and started writing 666 on his forehead right. Um, that's the most likely issue you're going to deal with. So if you even if you live in an area where you can't have a firearm mass for whatever reason. Maybe you're in australia, um, you know, then at least having the presence of somebody who looks like security can be a deterrent for most situations.

Speaker 2: 55:52

Um, yeah, de-escalation techniques are going to be the most likely techniques you use when dealing with people at your parish. So if you can find any local classes that police put on for de-escalation or have a local police officer come teach your security team some de-escalation techniques, I highly recommend it. You're going to use that more often than anything. But yeah, there it is. I see winnebago because, like it, I was like it's a weird name. You know, we've been looking at rvs all weekend, so uh, you'd fit in with the winnebago, that's for sure.

Speaker 1: 56:30

You can hold 80s winnebago, man, that's, that's definitely you man, I looked at an Airstream.

Speaker 2: 56:36

Those things are nice. They are, they are and they look good. Aesthetics is pleasing, yes.

Speaker 1: 56:43

You need to get yourself a nice nickel-plated 1911 for when you're camping in an Airstream.

Speaker 2: 56:49

Yeah, or get the nickel-plated Beretta right and throw the Arlie Agualupi grips on it or something. Or St Michael grips, maybe. What was that movie, romeo and Juliet with Claire Danes and Leonardo DiCaprio? We got to bring that one back. I'm going to start making some memes with that one.

Speaker 2: 57:10

So another aspect is controlled entrances. Right, so, specifically at our parish, um, you can't come in the front doors after massive started, you have to come in the side doors, controlled entrance. And if you come in the side door, I cause, I always suggest to our guys you sit at the end of the pew at all times, right, no matter what, um, and you cause, that way, you're, you're, you're, you know, your line of sight is going to be a little bit better, um, and you're going to have capability of intercepting anything that happens. And so, in, specifically one of our, our main security guy, right, he, um, he'll go up and he'll most often be up near communion time, up near the rail. And so I've suggested him hey, we're gonna, because we normally have one other door open.

Speaker 2: 57:59

And I advise him, like, hey, we're gonna just cut it down to one door when the communion happens, because you're gonna be in the front that way, I can, you know, because I'm always on the side where the entrance comes in the way. If somebody comes in, I can intercept, or someone else is right there, hopefully but, um, just controlling the entrances as well. Um, you know and these are just suggestions right, you have to find out what's best for your parish. If you're in a church in the round and you've got 30 doors, right, that's rough, that you're gonna have a hard time. Um, you're gonna need to put a really good plan together. You're gonna need to find lines are terrible there.

Speaker 2: 58:33

Yeah, it's gonna be a real bad day for you if something ends up happening. And not only that, but you're going to have to be fighting against a priest or a parish council who don't think anything will ever happen and are not going to listen to your suggestions. So that's going to be a bad day. But yeah, you started off on the. But, yeah, he's heard it off on the. Yeah, you're, you're okay. I grew up in a pair that's in the round, but we only had two inches into the main door.

Speaker 1: 58:59

Our, our TLM, is done at a pair. It's not a, it's not in the round per se, it's like a semi circle. Um yeah, it's not great for for security.

Speaker 2: 59:11

If you have anybody near you as well, that can do what's called a threat vulnerability assessment. So what I did in the Marines is that we did these all the time. Anytime we got to a new installation or something, we would do a TVA, just to see what the issues are. Where are the access points? Where are the you know? Are there vents that come in from the outside? So Mike could just throw like a you know CS grenade or some type of other irritant into the vents and now it's contaminating everybody inside, like you, just knowing what could happen, right? So if you can do that for your parish or somebody that can do it, that'll give you a better idea of like. Where are we points Right? Better idea of like where are weak points, right?

Speaker 2: 59:56

For example, um, at one parish that I did, that I suggested, I was like and and this is the the excuse they used to end up getting it installed was you need an altar rail because that is a barrier between someone getting to the. It gives you an extra couple of seconds for someone to get over that barrier to get to the priest, right? So you need to have an altar rail, uh, installed. And six months later they're like hey, this is a security thing, we need an ultra rail, like just in case something happens. And they get, and everybody was on board all of a sudden for that right once you get that and you're like, really a rude screen would be more protective.

Speaker 2: 1:00:28

Keep moving, the choir needs to get back up in the choir loft, you know we can put somebody up there with the, with a one by six LVPO. You know, you know, and again, these are just suggestions. But if you know something or if you want me to send you like kind of a guideline on how to do DBA, I'd be happy to do that.

Speaker 2: 1:00:50

There's all kinds of there's all kinds of guides and stuff that you can find in manuals, and I can direct you all to some of those, but someone will know how to do it. You've got someone, you've got a police officer that might be able to do as well. He's not gonna do as good as me, but he'll be able to do something right, at least give you an idea. Um, you know, just, these are some things for people who already have a security team. But how do what if you don't have one? What do you do?

Speaker 2: 1:01:18

For now you just carry, yeah, right, and then you start needed you need to start talking to other guys in your parish and maybe even have like a a parish. Hey, like some of the guys are going to the shooting range, who wants to go? And that kind of starts sifting out some people that you can kind of like look to, like okay, this guy's on the level, at least a little bit right, and so I can start talking to him and seeing what, and then, when you take him to the range, see how he shoots. Right, if he, if he never hits you know the a zone, you need to discard him immediately he shows up with the single, uh, single action revolver.

Speaker 2: 1:01:49

Yeah, maybe look for someone else, he plays a fiddle in his off-pounds, completely disregard anything he says. So finding like-minded people, right. And you also want to stay away from anybody that has anger issues, because people that have anger issues don't de-escalate, because the last thing you want to do is pull a firearm. You want that to be the absolute last thing you ever have to do. So you want somebody that has this pretty level headed, you know. So start start talking to these guys, doing some things with them. You know, maybe, like, do a men's night or whatever, start getting to understand where a lot of these guys are at, and then you can start building your team. And then you, once you have a team together and you all talked about it, then you can approach the priest, right, and be like hey, some crazy stuff's been going on lately in the world. We want to be just prepared and then present him the solution before he even knows he has a problem.

Speaker 2: 1:02:50

Yeah, right, present like hey, I've already got like four guys, you know, right now for at least one mass, and this is how we want to start doing things. We want to start. You know we're all going to wear like a lapel pin so people know who we are right. Hopefully they're all wearing suits, um, and you know, that way people can recognize who we are. And we've already got a layout of the parish and we would like to start controlling the access once mass starts, right, so maybe closing off to one door and maybe put it in the bulletin so people understand this, for safety reasons, right, and then tell them as well, hey, and as well, all of our guys are CPR certified, right? So if a medical event happens, we all know how to use some other first aid and hopefully you all go through something.

Speaker 1: 1:03:31

That's one way you can really sell it to almost any parish priest, any parish council, Because I mean, every priest up there has had to call the ambulance during a Mass at some point for a medical emergency.

Speaker 2: 1:03:45

Yeah, because you want to present yourself as value-added, right, you don't want to be like, hey, we're going to do this and we're going to be wearing, you know, outside the waistband and we're all going to be wearing 1911s, and like we just want to be a presence so people know that not to mess with us, like that's not the way to go about it. Even if you have a priest who is completely on board with a bunch of guys carrying and being the security, they're not going to listen to you because now they have to deal with the parish council. That's going to be down his neck all day, every day, because these scary guys are bringing guns to mass and they're scaring the children, right. So you have to present yourself as value added that way to get it across Right and for him to understand like this is a, this is a good thing for the parish. These guys no medical, these guys are willing to deescalate, and the guys that they have, if they are carrying, they've been through some type of certification or qualification or something, so they know what to do.

Speaker 2: 1:04:46

Okay. And so with enunciation, there's a lot of signals about what was going on. How many people I had access to that guy's youtube and didn't say anything, right, because they posted that the day before, right, and so how many people didn't say anything? How many people? I just I love how we?

Speaker 1: 1:05:08

you know, if I say certain words, we will have a a little little thing. No, camera, stop it. No, I, I hate this camera actually. Wait. Okay, hold on, let me see if I can get it to zoom up. Okay, there we go. Um, if I say certain words, youtube's out. Youtube's little auto sensor will catch it and put something under the video within an hour. Oh, did you two not catch those videos?

Speaker 2: 1:05:45

that's the thing they did right.

Speaker 2: 1:05:47

And no one said anything right, because all you have to say is orange juice, right? Um? And all of a sudden know, like, you got the sensors coming up. So that's the thing right. Like they know exactly, especially with AI, they're catching everything. They know exactly what you mean and they know exactly what's going on and they let it go through anyway. That's the I mean.

Speaker 2: 1:06:12

So there's a guy on X Joe who runs Tactical and he keeps what is it? The Bourne Ultimatum where they're basically going through there's like a 30-second monologue talking about how they basically do make a windup toy and set it off and let it go do its thing Right, and that is basically what's happening right now. You have organizations that have conditioned people in a certain way and then wind them up like a windup toy, put them on the ground and point them in a direction and tell them all right, go do this. And that's what's happening up toy, put them on the ground and point them in a direction, tell them all right, go do this. And that's what's happening right.

Speaker 2: 1:06:56

If you, if you'll notice a lot of these active shooters lately, uh, they have access to firearms. They should have never understood how to even get, or the amount of money it costs to get it, um, you know, or or maybe uh, access to get into places they should never had right, these are all. A lot of these things are done on purpose Anytime there's a bill about to go through. That is good. Just wait for the active shooter within a couple days after that.

Speaker 1: 1:07:25

Like, yeah, like what does Luigi? Whatever his name was happened a few months before the movie. They try to get silencers off the nfa right.

Speaker 2: 1:07:37

So these things are intentional, um, and just know that right. So, like, do not be afraid to carry a firearm because you're afraid that the government's going to persecute you. Right, that's the life of a christian be to accept persecution. It's going to happen. That doesn't mean you don't have to live up to your duties, all right. So we can go on and on about security teams and we I probably need to go into, like what I suggest in the security team, you know, cause I've set them up before.

Speaker 2: 1:08:12

My parish kind of already had ones established before I got there, and I'm not trying to step on any toes, so I'm not trying to force myself on anything, um, but I just offer suggestions and they listen, you know, which is good, you know. But you know, sometimes I may have a bad idea, I might go a little too above and beyond on some things and they're like, hey, we can, you know whatever it is. But, uh, some things have been implemented that have been. You know, we have a uh, a basically a large ifac right with that's plenty of tourniquets in. We need more tourniquets in it right now. I've told them that we I'll bomb, I'll throw them in there.

Speaker 1: 1:08:44

I mean press deals, we know how many do you have? Because, like we saw with this last shooting, which relatively ended in a fairly low death toll, still had 18 kids injured. That might mean 18 tourniquets, 18.

Speaker 2: 1:09:01

And even then, like A cat tourniquet will not do well on a five-year-old. No, their limbs are way too small. There's going to be way too much slack. So what do you do? There are other things you can do. I never suggest a tourniquet that doesn't have a windlass on it. Right, there's a company out there right now who creates one that uses a lot of surgical tubing and a metal class. Basically, do not use that it. Just, it hasn't been proven. Use a tourniquet with a windlass.

Speaker 2: 1:09:32

But you know, if you're in a parish that houses, you know 200 people at a mass and you approach that sometimes, you need at least 10% in tourniquets, at least 20 tourniquets, just in case, and I would suggest double that in chest seals. Right, you know. And then, as well as like, you need gauze and you just need a boo-boo kit. Right, somebody kids thankfully don't run around in their masks anymore, but we have some kids who do. That's so nice.

Speaker 2: 1:10:00

If they fall down the stairs or they scrape their knee or whatever, you want something to be able to patch them up a little bit. Kids love Band-Aids. They think they're stickers. Right, just having little things like that. Right, you know, just having little things like that. But you know just, you want to present yourself as something that is in, is not going to be a burden on that priest, because if you're one of the thing he has to worry about, he's going to say no. And now you have to do things that give us implausible denial Right, which I've set up a secure team in the parish where the priest was like yeah, I don't want this here.

Speaker 2: 1:10:38

Okay just so you know you can't have that here, you know, and like, okay, we got it, you know, and so that that keeps him without having to gives him a little bit of plausible deniability if hire comes up on and decides to ask him some hard questions for, for either a security team or maybe for someone who goes to a parish who doesn't have a security team but knows that their parish, or at least their priest, is cool with them carrying.

Speaker 1: 1:11:04

Do you suggest they carry just whatever they would normally conceal out and about, or do you suggest maybe a larger, you-sized pistol?

Speaker 2: 1:11:14

something of that nature. I think the first rule is carry something you're good with shooting. Don't worry about the size of it. If you're good with a little 43X or a Ruger LCR or whatever and you can hit something reliably from at least 10 yards and you can hit something within a 4-inch plate, carry it. But rounds matter. The more rounds you have, the better. And you can hit something you know within a four inch plate. Carry it right, I don't. But rounds matter. The more rounds you have, the better right. I always carry at least a compact right. So my my uh 19, you know it's got a mag of 15 and I carry an extra mag on my belt line. That's another 20 rounds because I got a plus five extender on another mag. So I've got at least 35 rounds on me. But carry what you're good with shooting first, because it doesn't matter how many rounds you have, you can't hit nothing. It doesn't matter.

Speaker 2: 1:12:07

You need to be practicing. You need to be shooting at minimum 1,000 rounds a year at minimum and you need to be doing really good technique. You need to go out and find training um by reputable trainers. Uh, stay away from most anybody from the NRA Um, because anybody can become an NRA trainer. You literally just sign up online and like they certify you on a website. Like there's, uh, and they may have changed a little bit, but now. But like there's, uh, and they may have changed a little bit, but now. But like there's a local woman here who does nri training and she the only thing she's shooting is the dinner for that night, because that woman is she's not gonna be running after anybody. But uh, take reputable training and from good people in in, especially if you can find a guy who who implements first aid with it, like throwing on a tourniquet and shooting Right.

Speaker 1: 1:13:01

So, like.

Speaker 2: 1:13:02

one thing I used to teach guys all the time was how to shoot with the offhand Right, Cause you might get shot in your, in your main hand, you know. So learning how to shoot and reload with your offhand.

Speaker 1: 1:13:13

I usually did that. Yeah, learning how to shoot and reload with your offhand.

Speaker 2: 1:13:15

I would duct tape a tennis ball in their hand. And then all of a sudden you start seeing guys they don't carry the three o'clock anymore, they carry an appendix because they can't reach the three o'clock anymore with their left hand. So they start carrying appendix a lot more often. So carry what you're good with shooting, I would say.

Speaker 1: 1:13:36

Any consideration for having one person maybe, or maybe having available somewhere a long gun.

Speaker 2: 1:13:48

So the thing you worry about with a long gun is penetration? Yeah Right.

Speaker 1: 1:13:55

And if you're an older?

Speaker 2: 1:13:57

yeah, and yeah, I mean I could you want, you can, right, just be aware of what your target is and what lies beyond it. Um, because if you're in a newer parish, that's mostly drywall that's probably going to punch through the whole parish before it is done. Right, yeah, true.

Speaker 1: 1:14:17

Older parish maybe not so much.

Speaker 2: 1:14:19

Older parish is like a lot of marble and stuff, like yeah, you probably don't have to worry about penetration. But I mean, I wouldn't Just realize, even with the Annunciation Parachute you're outgunned if you're just carrying a pistol. That guy was bringing shotguns and an AR. You're outgunned. Now he probably can't shoot worth crap, but he's going to be shooting through things that your rounds won't be able to shoot through. Just keep that in mind. It's not a bad idea. But where are you gonna have it? Right? Are you gonna have in the backpack? Right, is gonna be a pcc in a backpack. You know, for those that don't know what a pcc is a pistol, carbine, carbine. Basically it's like a nine millimeter ar right type of platform. Right, was it a flux raider?

Speaker 2: 1:15:11

yeah it's what I can't hear. So it gives you a little bit more, uh, aim right, a little bit more accuracy. Yeah, with it, uh, you can do a pcc as well. That's an ar platform, um, or like an, like an mp5 style, right, or mp7, um. It just like where are you going to put it right? Is your kid, he's your wife going to carry it in the in her purse, like you know? Because that's because the optics matter too, if someone sees you walking in with that and they don't know who you are yeah, right, that's a problem you're going to have, you're going to have.

Speaker 2: 1:15:44

But somebody says you, just, you know, carrying outside the waistband, you're much less likely to occur any resistance there. Um, but I'm not against it, just you. I mean, you need to be in a good parish for that and they have to know who you are besides extra ammo, what is the biggest reason to carry a spare bag?

Speaker 1: 1:16:06

because some you know a lot of people they think they don't need the extra ammo and they think that's why they shouldn't. And I, I, you know, I, I agree. Depending what you're wearing it, it might be hard to have an extra. They think they don't need the extra ammo and they think that's why they shouldn't. And I, I, you know, I, I agree, depending on what you're wearing, it might be hard to have an extra.

Speaker 2: 1:16:17

So the the average, according to FBI statistics, the average firefight is about 24 rounds. Okay, so you don't have that in your little 43 X Right and most people, once you start to get the adrenaline going, you're not going to be hitting where you think you're hitting Right. So the more ammo you have, the better.

Speaker 1: 1:16:39

If it is uncomfortable.

Speaker 2: 1:16:41

Yeah, If it is uncomfortable for you to carry, get over it. You know it's. I have an. Let me see if I have it on me now. Yeah, I do.

Speaker 1: 1:17:01

Let me take this off real quick and I'll show you while he's doing that. Another I mean besides extra ammo, yeah, most malfunctions can be resolved quickly by dropping the mag yep put it, slapping a new one in racking the slide. So having an extra mag to help with any potential malfunctions from a mag is important.

Speaker 2: 1:17:14

So this is just a piece of elastic. My belt goes in it Right and my mag will go in this Right. So I have these I carry, I always have. This is where I carry my extra mags when I'm at mass throughout the day. I carry a Neo mag as well.

Speaker 2: 1:17:29

A Neo mag is just a clip where it'll deep conceal on a pocket, but this will be parallel with your belt, so it's not sticking up, perpendicular, so you're not hitting it. So if you have a black belt on and you've got this on and you've got a black magazine in it, no one's going to see it. They're at least not going to notice it. If they look hard at you they might see it. But this makes it super comfortable to wear and this is like three dollars. You can get bicycle tubing and do the same thing, right, um? And so it makes it super easy to carry an extra mag and I carry a 20 round in here, you know the 15 plus 5, with a mag extender on this, with no problem at all. So there's no reason not to carry an extra mag. What if somebody you're shooting with right, say, he's shooting another guy and the other guy runs out of ammo and he's the only guy that's got a good beat on the guy and you can get him another mag and you're both carrying Glocks.

Speaker 1: 1:18:27

I was going to ask do you for security teams? I mean, all shooting 9mm doesn't do much for you, unless you all can share mag. So do you suggest? Do you know? Because everyone getting it.

Speaker 2: 1:18:42

It would be nice. But, like you, you got too many individualistic people out there. A lot of people do they don't like glocks because it's just cool not to like glocks, or they like glocks and they don't like anything else, right? Um, I'm not one of those guys. Um, I like, I like Glocks. Or they like Glocks and they don't like anything else Right, I'm not one of those guys. I like. I like Glocks because I know when I pull the trigger it's going to go off. Right? I like Glocks because I don't have to worry about the raw ability on it, like an extractor missing a spring.

Speaker 1: 1:19:06

I don't like.

Speaker 2: 1:19:14

He says I have a Glock that has an extractor missing a spring. I can tell you the the amount of classes I've been in, the firearm that has the least amount of issues has always been a glock. Yeah, uh, springfield xdms have a lot of issues I had an xds.

Speaker 2: 1:19:21

I hated the 19 let anything that has a grip safety you're going to have issues in because, for example, say, you're in a car and you're carrying and someone approaches your door and you want, and you have your gun and right, you're having to grip it in an unorthodox manner for those who grip safety back here. This here right so that if you have a grip safety back here and you don't, you're not able to get a good, really good purchase on it.

Speaker 1: 1:19:43

Right it may, you may not be able to fire that weapon also on a 1911 or a lot of guns with external safeties, you you ideally you swipe the safety off. But if you're not holding down on that safety while you're firing, the recoil can cause you to flip that unknowingly, flip it back up, and then you think you have a malfunction and you don't.

Speaker 2: 1:20:08

So XDMs have a lot of issues? What else? What is that Tauruses have a lot of issues? What else? What is that Tauruses have a lot of issues, right?

Speaker 2: 1:20:16

So if you want just a good firearm that you know is reliable out of the box, don't do anything to it. Like, I don't like this Glock has a stock trigger in it, right? I used to switch all my triggers out and put different triggers in them. I don't do that anymore. One, because it makes it less reliable, right, um, and two, I don't shoot well enough to need a new trigger, and majority I would say 95% of people that shoot don't shoot well enough to need a new trigger. It's just a matter of people just want something that's you know that's going to make them a better shooter, and it's just a matter of people just want something that's you know that's going to make them a better shooter, and it's just really not.

Speaker 2: 1:20:56

Um, you need to get used to a stock trigger, especially on a glock, and I know a lot of guys that's going to raise a lot of uh issues. There's going to be a lot of people, you know, making comments about that, but you you will. Most of you are not. Obviously you're not shooting enough rounds to even worry about getting a new trigger. Don't even bother, um, because once you start changing parts on it, it starts causing issues, um, even with like uh was a trigger tech with their ace trigger just came out and they just had to do an apology video and basically offer a full refund for anybody got the trigger, because they're trying to put a race gun trigger into a duty carry pistol and it was having issues like just don't even, you, just get used to a stock trigger. That's all you need If you want to. You know like this came. You know painted like this, like you can. If you want to make it look pretty, go for it, I don't care, you know. Just don't change the internals. There's no reason to.

Speaker 2: 1:21:54

I don't do an extended uh slide release anymore either because, uh, you can dump a mag, or, yeah, and I have right on an extent, I have one on an old gen 3 glock 17 and I've dumped the mag, you know, halfway in the middle of a drill because I accidentally hit it, right, uh. Or my extended mag release, but my slide release, if it's extended, sometimes I accidentally hit it and when it's cycling back right, it sticks right and it locks back.

Speaker 1: 1:22:17

Out of curiosity. Just like I said for curiosity, when you do a reload, do you do the slide release or do you rack it?

Speaker 2: 1:22:26

I do slide release. I've done both. I've heard all the arguments like, well, your fine motor skills are going to go away. You need to go over the top. Like, pulling a trigger is a fine motor skill, right? So just whatever you do, practice, let that be how you do it, true?

Speaker 1: 1:22:45

um, so jason asked if you tried. Uh, it's a hard.

Speaker 2: 1:22:51

In America we just say Canik.

Speaker 1: 1:22:53

But I have two personally, but I haven't shot any yet.

Speaker 2: 1:22:57

I looked at getting the TTI Canik and they were having some issues with the firing pin in them and I wanted to wait a little while and get a newer generation of it. When it comes out before I buy one, but I mean it striker five pistols are pretty much all the same generation of it. When it comes out before I buy one. Striker 5 pistols are pretty much all the same at this point. Springfield Echelon is good. It's pronounced Echelon, not Echelon. Springfield Echelon is good. Glocks are good. If you're going to buy a Sig, buy the 365. There haven't been any issues with that. I don't like Sig anymore because they try to basically catfish all of us at this point. Um gaslight.

Speaker 2: 1:23:35

It's not catfish no, they're catfishing people with that 320 telling everybody it's a, it's a carry duty pistol, it's not okay, okay okay, I see what you mean, I see what you mean. Um, let's see who else is good. You know, these are just the echelon and the hell cat the.

Speaker 1: 1:23:51

Um, hell cat's great.

Speaker 2: 1:23:52

They're both hs products right from croatia yeah, hellcat gives you a whole lot of carry capability for a smaller pistol. So if you're worried about printing the hellcat's great um.

Speaker 1: 1:24:04

So yeah, back to back to the conics I have. I had a tp, tp9, sf elite from like 10 ago. I've put a bunch of rounds through it and I don't think I've had a single failure at all on it. They have good triggers because, as far as I know that both the design and the tooling it's all made on is Walther, because they got German Walther tooling from Turkey, did like 100 years ago basically, um, the the turkish arms industry was basically, uh, created and supported by germany.

Speaker 2: 1:24:40

So so some third reich machining, you got it.

Speaker 1: 1:24:42

I love it sure um, so yeah, so yeah, everything I've heard about Connex is has been.

Speaker 2: 1:24:51

Their triggers are amazing.

Speaker 1: 1:24:52

Yeah, it's a wall to trigger, basically.

Speaker 2: 1:24:55

Yeah, so the Smith and Wesson MMP 2.0 is great. Right, I heard a lot of great things about that. You know I haven't shot one. That's my next purchase, you know. Eventually it will be the MMP 2.0 metal carry the. Well, it's cause it's got the compensator in it. Compensators are okay. You have to worry about the fireball effect at night, but apparently she's pretty flat. What else is good? Just?

Speaker 1: 1:25:26

You need to find something that fits her.

Speaker 2: 1:25:28

Yeah, hk VP9s are great. Cz can't go wrong. Cz, you know P10Cs. P10c will fit in any holster that a Glock fits in the equivalent right. So a Glock 19 holster will hold a CZ P10C.

Speaker 1: 1:25:48

So we were going to we've mentioned it a little.

Speaker 2: 1:25:51

Don't buy a 320. In fact, I've got a guy who he has a 320. He's trying to offload on me. He's a local police officer and he's basically trying to get retail on me. And I was like, brother, I'm not buying that for any more than a hundred bucks, cause I'm going to have to spend a few hundred dollars to get that looked at to make sure that it's okay, and there's no way I'm paying retail, because there's not only that. You can't trust what has happened, right, because they've known about it since 2014 or whatever. There was a guy who has a patent on the fix and they bought the patent back in 2014. So they've known about the fix for a long time. They just never done anything about it. And the reason they got the the contract with the military apparently is because they came way under a glock, 100 million dollars under, because they were selling each unit for 190 dollars and there's only one way you can do it that cheaply.

Speaker 2: 1:26:51

Yeah, you're, you're, and that's why everything's made in india. Yep, right, that's why you're having issues, because there's no quality control whatsoever. So, um, if you have a 320, that thing needs to be a safe queen.

Speaker 1: 1:27:01

You need to do not be, do not carry it yeah, I'm not gonna say don't buy one because they're cheap, but don't buy one to use like, yeah, buy because it's going to be a a historically bad screw up.

Speaker 2: 1:27:16

If you feel like you want an M 17 or an M 18, which has the external safety on it, like they've still had issues with those, yeah, so it's just. You just can't trust it. But now three 65, I've never heard a single issue and everybody loves a three 65. I have two of them.

Speaker 1: 1:27:32

I have one of the originals.

Speaker 2: 1:27:34

The old 226s are great. Yeah, 229s, 220s. Yeah so just stay away from the 320s. If you absolutely have to have a SIG for whatever reason, stay away from the 320s.

Speaker 1: 1:27:48

Do we have anything else we want to talk about before just doing questions?

Speaker 2: 1:27:53

No, we can do questions. If something pops up, we can go on a tangent, okay.

Speaker 1: 1:27:56

So I have some. Let's see here. So what about carrying at work?

Speaker 2: 1:28:03

I endorse it Next question.

Speaker 1: 1:28:05

Yeah, yeah, unless it's illegal for you to carry at work, like, say, you're a teacher in a state, that where you can't carry.

Speaker 2: 1:28:13

Yeah, you know then, then don't probably right but again be willing to accept the consequences one way or the other if you're at work and you decide not to carry, be willing to accept that you're gonna die, but if you want to be able to protect yourself and other people, be willing to accept jail time. I just that's really what it comes down to. But carrying work like, yes, you know, if your job has an issue with it and they fire you for that, know that right. Like, are you willing to get fired for this? Is your life worth being fired for, right? Um, if it's not, then you know I can't help you there. But, um, otherwise, you just be willing to accept the consequences what can be done about the lottenberg amendment?

Speaker 2: 1:28:58

it keeps tens of millions of americans from owning because of a misdemeanor I am of the opinion that if you and this is going a little bit further but if you have served your time, you should get your rights back. Right If you, as long as you didn't have a violent felony.

Speaker 1: 1:29:18

Yep.

Speaker 2: 1:29:19

Right and you should be able to get your rights back.

Speaker 1: 1:29:22

Yeah, because it, it, it is, um, it is a God given right to self-defense. Now there can be arguments made, um, where? Maybe the common good, you know, in defense of the common good, as we talked about earlier, like you said, maybe violent felons to defend the common good, they don't get that right. Or maybe there's other, you know, I could see someone who is legitimately very mentally ill and is a danger, yeah, to defend the common good, maybe they don't get that right for that period. Yeah, but yeah, it does.

Speaker 2: 1:29:58

Sexual assault, domestic violence, murders, assault and batteries. Like you know, you should never get that right back, right, right, but you can't be trusted with it.

Speaker 1: 1:30:06

Right Is why.

Speaker 2: 1:30:08

Yeah, and now we'll. Now will. There will be extenuating circumstances on that, because a lot of people are charged with crimes that doesn't look like what they end up getting charged with, right, that's true. So down stuff like there has to be some some leeway for some exceptions, but most times, right, you know no, but again, if you serve your time, you should get your rice back um, so there's a few questions in here kind of along the same vein here.

Speaker 1: 1:30:42

So we have questions about carrying a knife as well about you should carry a pocket knife anyway.

Speaker 1: 1:30:48

Like, yeah, like my kids always need something, cut right, you should have a pocket knife um, yeah, I, I generally don't carry like a specific self-defense tactical knife because, no, uh, because if I'm at that like I would only ever use that as a last resort if my gun goes down or something like that uh, but generally, if you're at that stage, yeah, it's rough I used to carry a uh shiv from shivworks, um, and like a little, is that like a punch knife kind of?

Speaker 2: 1:31:23

you know it's, it fits underneath the belt, it's basically, you know it's mine's two side. You know it's two, two edge. You know double edge, whatever you want to call it. It's late on monday but, um, but I don't, because I just carry a pocket knife now, and the reason for that is if you get a knife fight, you're getting stabbed, um, there's gonna be blood everywhere. And then if you, if you're in a knife fight and you're trying to, you know you got blood all over your hands and you're trying to get a good presentation on your weapon, it's gonna be very hard. If you want to carry a knife, go for it, but the best way to win a knife fight is not being in a knife fight. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:31:57

So if you're going to carry a knife, carry one. That's just most useful. You know how do you go about finding if your parish already has a secure team. Talk to the priest.

Speaker 2: 1:32:10

I would imagine, yeah, hopefully somebody's liaising with the, the police there at your parish. If you have a police officer there, somebody's on the inside at least, um, you know talking to them, either through some type of app on the phone, or maybe they got like an ear mic or something, um, or just you know, find the guy that looks like everybody talks to him, and if he's carrying, ask you like, hey, do we have a security team here who's involved? And if you want to get involved, you know ask. I would not approach the priest, though, because he may be in a, you know, forgiveness rather than permission mode and he may not want to know anything about it. So, but I would just find that circle of influence with somebody who you know is caring and ask them um, just to see what else we got here.

Speaker 1: 1:33:01

Um, uh, what about that? So what about packing bigger weapons in the vehicles in the parking lot during mass?

Speaker 2: 1:33:14

I don't like leaving firearms in the vehicles, which is a big conversation that was had on X. You know like, hey, if your security team they carry and maybe you have that you know people not carry in mass, they leave in the cars.

Speaker 1: 1:33:32

You're just asking for your car to be broken in and somebody stealing your firearm right um, especially because a lot of bad or a lot of trad parishes are in bad neighborhoods. Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 1:33:39

Mine is in the worst neighborhood in the whole state. So, um, no, I don't recommend leaving firearms and vehicles at all because of that. Um, especially if you, if your parish, is in a very ethnic area and y'all a bunch of white folk going in there, they know y'all are carrying, because white people are the only people that really carry legally, except for in Alabama. Everybody can carry legally. But no, I don't recommend it whatsoever.

Speaker 1: 1:34:11

I could see maybe if you had someone on Overwatch or something in a parking lot maybe, but that's an entirely different situation.

Speaker 2: 1:34:20

Or somebody can be outside the whole time. Maybe he's keeping an eye on the parking lot, or maybe your parking lot has controlled access. You have to come through a gate to get into the parking lot. Then maybe I'm not going to say a blanket no, no but, I, don't like it right, because I've seen firearms get stolen.

Speaker 2: 1:34:37

When I worked at the fire department in Georgia we had guys they knew firefighters carried right and so they were breaking into our trucks when we went out on calls and steal our firearms. We had a rash of that.

Speaker 1: 1:34:50

Someone's asking what is racking the slide. Uh yeah, just working the slide yeah, so yeah, if you so.

Speaker 2: 1:34:58

If you're, if your firearm runs empty, right it'll, it'll lock back. Hopefully you have a magazine that does that, um, so a lot of guys will teach over the top, right, so you grab over the top and and run it back. That way, you use the tension on the string, the spring, to go forward for you, right, um, otherwise, you have this, it's called the slide release, and this will just let it go forward for you, right, work, whatever you train, however you like, use one of them and use that one only all the time, don't go back and forth yeah, because, because I tend to shoot a lot of different guns with different slide releases, I've just, personally, I rack the slide.

Speaker 2: 1:35:41

That's fine. If that's how you train, then do it.

Speaker 1: 1:35:46

So a lot of people only have their state only allows 10 round capacities, so do they carry three mags?

Speaker 2: 1:35:54

at that point. If you can fit three mags on you comfortably, do it. If you've got suspenders that also turn into bandoliers, go for it. If anybody needs a good business idea, that would be amazing. Carry what you're covering. At least carry one extra mag, because what if your mag goes bad? Yep, for whatever reason.

Speaker 1: 1:36:21

At least have a second on you, yep. What calibers do we recommend?

Speaker 2: 1:36:28

I like 9mm Ballistics. There's very little difference between that and .45. 10mm has too much kick and so does .40. It has too much kick for follow-on shots. 9mm you get plus P duty carry ammo, whether it's HST ammo or I like carrying G9, which is an external hollow point. It's got really good ballistics. You can't go back. You know a spear gold dot, whatever it is. But the reason I choose G9, one, you can carry more rounds. Two, it is cheap and three, the ballistics on it and follow-on shot is much easier to acquire with a 9 than any of the larger calibers. I would not carry anything less than a 9 than any of the larger calibers.

Speaker 1: 1:37:14

I would not carry anything less than a 9. .380 is right, I mean. Even then, you might as well carry a 9.

Speaker 2: 1:37:22

The reason you go .380 is because you want a smaller handgun. You can get a smaller handgun and 9 with much more capacity than any .380 is really made right now.

Speaker 1: 1:37:32

That's true. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, for pistol calibers outside of 44 mag and up, ballistically basically all do the same, which I mean with the pistol caliber, you're going to have to get them, you know, in the CNS, to to get a quick stop, otherwise they're bleeding out. Yeah, so, whether it's nine, 45, 40, 10, uh, three, 57, you know, whatever, it's all basically going to be the same. So it might, as you might as well, just get nine because, like, like Adrian said, it's cheap, widely available. Um, like, as far as ballistic technology, nine has has everything out there. You know, all the, all the advancements in ballistic technology is going to happen with nine millimeter first, basically, um, you know, like the external hollow point, like g9, or like the hornady's critical duty and stuff like that, I would just go 9. Yeah, but if you already have a gun in 40 or you had an air room in 45 or something like that, whatever.

Speaker 2: 1:38:44

If you go to bear country a lot, carry a 10. Yeah, you're going to shoot that bear with a 9mm and it's just going to laugh at you and then it's going to eat you.

Speaker 1: 1:38:58

It all depends on the circumstances. We're talking about concealed carry Be flexible.

Speaker 1: 1:39:02

Most of life. 9mm, this one I don't know. What kind of gun control in Minnesota will the Dems try to pass? How do we stop them? I live in Minnesota. For anyone who doesn't know what kind of gun control in minnesota will the dems try to pass um, and how do we stop them there? I mean, so I live in minnesota. For anyone who doesn't know, and for as liberal as this state is, we actually don't have too many bad gun laws right now. Like we don't have mag restrictions, we don't have, you know, silly ar restrictions as far as having pistol grips and stuff like that. We don't have constitutional carry, which does suck, but it's easy to get a concealed carry permit here in Minnesota. So I don't know what they're going to try to pass. I'm sure some sort of AR ban. They've tried that a few times in recent years. That would be my big guess. Is AR band, maybe mag restrictions? I don't know.

Speaker 2: 1:39:57

Yeah, so this is a training issue. Very true, right. This is, yes, this can happen, but you can out-train this, right? So, as long as you're getting used to pulling that thing all the way back and then letting go, if you try and ride it forward, yeah, you're gonna have that issue, right?

Speaker 1: 1:40:15

and that's what that's, which a lot of new, new people do yeah you just gotta out train it yeah, you're not gonna break your gun by really pulling the hard back on that thing your gun is a tool.

Speaker 2: 1:40:32

Right, use it as a tool, you know, if you're worried about it getting scuffed up and damaged, and so, like you're not, you're not treating that tool appropriately no, um.

Speaker 1: 1:40:44

What am I getting at a?

Speaker 2: 1:40:45

gym, have you? Have y'all not, do y'all not watch world star right, like well, I mean, it's 2025, so not so watch world star right Like well, I mean, it's 2025.

Speaker 1: 1:40:53

So not so much world star anymore, man.

Speaker 2: 1:40:56

That is just the genre now. Right, Like all these videos that come out, it was like there's a guy got tasered in the nuts at a gym because he's trying to fight a cop. Right Like it. The people are crazy. Man, Carry everywhere, Especially if you've got headphones in, like I do when I go to the gym, and thankfully they have mirrors on all the walls because there's so much vanity there, but in that way I can keep an eye on what's going around all the time. But, yeah, carry all the time. Let's see. I mean people, even fanny packs have made a comeback. Carrying a fanny pack yeah, the only.

Speaker 1: 1:41:39

On one hand, you know like instinctively I'm like oh, off body carries a bad thing. But I mean it is connected to you via, basically, a belt, which is the same as but you can train and get it and still get within a two second draw yeah, like you just gotta train with it.

Speaker 2: 1:41:56

If you can't across the chest right, like you just got a zipper, like I've got a uh eberly stock right and it is, you've got a really good zipper on it you pull it and then it's exposed and you can draw and present right.

Speaker 1: 1:42:09

Um, you just gotta train with it I do have one of those eberly bags for uh, for the flux. I don't can't carry anymore. Yeah, uh, any other? Any other questions?

Speaker 2: 1:42:23

is that all yes, but the the roland special always also had like an inch-long compensator on it that threw a fireball like six feet in the air. We have better technology now and the Roland Special has outlived its use. Both of these comments.

Speaker 1: 1:42:46

Everyone in the chat. Remember to pray for Kennedy, Kennedy Hall, his wife and the baby. I have not seen the update, but I heard some things before that. Uh, yeah it's not looking good.

Speaker 2: 1:42:56

They're gonna need a real miracle there you know, father mcgivney, y'all may be praying for unborn children. Ask for his intercession. He's had a lot of success there. Uh, carrying the tomahawk.

Speaker 2: 1:43:13

Yeah, I wouldn't want to deal with the tomahawk either yeah no it's just not worth it, man you know, like last of the mohicans on somebody in the middle of the church. Let's see what else. And if any backs from the secret service. Yes, fanny bags, fanny backs are everywhere. Um, use them, they're. They're common now, so you don't have to look weird carrying a fanny pack yeah, so well, chances are.

Speaker 1: 1:43:41

If you see a guy carrying a fanny pack and he's not asian, they're probably he's either gay or caring very true, it's more than like a little of this.

Speaker 2: 1:43:53

I remember I used to have a one of the marine corps schools I went to. I had a uh instructor who, like back and this was in 2008 who uh carried it in a fanny pack.

Speaker 2: 1:44:04

He carried a browning high power and he's like he'd always he'd always threaten people like if you know, I got that fanny pack on me, I'm gonna go all. It takes me three seconds to get that high power up. Put it in your face. I'm like brother, you got a fupa. There's no way you're getting that thing in time before I take you down, just going through the comments to see if we missed anything.

Speaker 1: 1:44:28

Do you have any other questions? If you have a bishop that doesn't like you, that's a Columbus having swords. I'm sorry, you're screwed.

Speaker 2: 1:44:35

I might. I might get into something I might get on my pedestal here. Hold on.

Speaker 1: 1:44:40

We got a layout for that, okay, all right.

Speaker 2: 1:44:43

So every single one of you, every single man here who is not a night at Columbus, you need to join a nice Columbus. They are rife to be taken over from the inside right, and I've had this conversation with some other guys um, these councils are, um, have the infrastructure already in place. Uh, you will not be able to create anything better than what they already have. Um, not in the time that we have. Anyway, they are led by men who are tired of doing it and they will be glad for someone else to take the reins. All it takes for every. You need four guys. You need a grand night, a deputy grand night, a financial secretary and a treasurer and you can take over that council and have it do whatever you want. If you have a council where you're like, hey, all they do is meet sales and tootsie roll drives or whatever, change it Fish dinners, you just need four guys and you can change that council into whatever you want. If you want a council that is the security team, you just need one year. Come in in June, get voted in. You just need one year. Come in in June, get voted in, take over those positions. They'll be glad to give them over to you and then bring in a bunch of other guys as well that you know. You can take over any, I don't care where you're at, take them over, right? They have an infrastructure there and money to do whatever you want. All it takes is a bunch of guys. You know, in a city you need four guys per council. You just need to do three or four councils. Especially, some of these trad parishes are trad adjacent, right? Um, it would not take long to change the culture whatsoever, right? And so absolutely everyone should be joining the knights to take it over and to support that. Because there is. It is the most traditional apostolate out there. That's as big as it is that you that it's just. It's already got everything in place, right? They're the most pro-life organizations you're going to have anywhere in any parish. They do more. The knights of columbus provide more ultrasound machines than most hospitals. Okay, they've already got the goodwill of 100. We're almost 150 years now of serving in the church.

Speaker 2: 1:47:04

If you don't like your counsel, change it. It only takes four of you, right? I know some of y'all are eternally online. You don't even have four friends. But, like, go out and make some, right, find some guys that y'all want to change how your council works, and that's all you need is four guys and that is it, and you can bring in everybody you want, right, and then you can change how the culture of that council everywhere you're at. There is a Latin mass nights website, right. There's already a bunch of councils that have been taken over by guys, right. Robert Morgan on X right, his council is phenomenal and they're at a.

Speaker 2: 1:47:41

I believe in that. I see KSP parish, right. I think I might be wrong on that, but I know it's at least a lot of mass parish, but they have a phenomenal parish there and they're the ones that really had headed up that, headed up the St Louis preservation in Missouri, right, especially of the statue, and they've created now a whole few-day event now because of it, and that really came from a lot of the knights there putting in that work. Right, it can be done everywhere, right, you can make it to whatever you want it to be. You just got to do it All, right. I'm off my pedestal, I just hate you.

Speaker 2: 1:48:20

My counselor is a bunch of old guys and look man, these guys didn't have kids and if they did have kids, their kids don't like them, that's true, and they would love for a young Catholic man to come in there and want to work with them and then take over. That's all they want. They just want to give it over. They're done doing it. These guys have been doing meat smokes for like 35 years. They're wore out. Right, they'll kill over real fast Once you just go and give them a little resistance. Right They'll be. I'm done, right. There is no reason for anybody to complain about their Knights council because it only takes four of you to change it. That's not a lot of people, right? The revolutionary war was fought with 3% of people, right? You don't even need that in a parish. You need like one 10th of a percent. You just need four guys.

Speaker 1: 1:49:05

That's the word of the night. I don't know. I don't know what word you're talking about.

Speaker 2: 1:49:13

Knights of Columbus is Jew-occupied. I'd love to hear how the Knights of Columbus are Jew-occupied.

Speaker 1: 1:49:19

I think maybe they just mean they're a bunch of boomer dispensationalists.

Speaker 2: 1:49:25

Do you think the boomers are going to live forever? They do. They've got maybe 10 years at most. Maybe they are ineffective now. They do, they do. They've got maybe 10 years at most. Maybe they are ineffective now. It is not hard to get them out of any positions of power in any parish. You just have to do it. The problem is we have a bunch of guys that have no backbone. They want everybody to do something for them. Nobody wants to start anything, nobody wants to commit to anything. That's the issue.

Speaker 2: 1:49:52

It's true, understand the history of the Knights of Columbus. There is documented history of running guns to the Casteros in the Mexican Civil War. There is documented history of turf war against the KKK right. The Knights of Columbus is not always been the effeminate organization that it's. It's kind of presented in most places now. That's because effeminate men got into positions of power and they pushed out other men, other men that just didn't feel like they didn't want to fight anymore. Right, well, it's time to get up off the couch and do something about it all. Right, who else?

Speaker 1: 1:50:42

do I want to go after? How do we run? Never mind, I shouldn't ask that on here. How do we not?

Speaker 2: 1:50:46

oh no, I shouldn't if your inner sensor kicked in, it's probably it's if your sensor's kicking in.

Speaker 1: 1:50:54

I read, I read this, and I was going to ask a question that would have been deemed very bad if there was a legal way to do it to the britain, it would be done that's what I was going to ask how do?

Speaker 2: 1:51:04

we get them well the problem with britain is there's a lot of ocean between us and there right. So what we're going to have to do is we have to go through northern africa right and come across the the straight there and then, but gibraltar we're gonna have to cross gibraltar.

Speaker 1: 1:51:20

There's ways to do it. There's ways to do it, or? Or if trump just got us greenland, that would get us a little closer.

Speaker 2: 1:51:26

Yeah, we'd be a little closer we've got all kinds of firearms in eastern europe already. We can just shuffle man. They don't even have to come from us.

Speaker 1: 1:51:34

That's true. That's true. We just got to get them from Ukraine back over to.

Speaker 2: 1:51:41

That's what I'm talking about. Because men have absconded from their responsibility. You got this one guy up there having to fight against you know, 63 boss, ladies, right, and he's probably all, and he's gonna be wore out because no one else is ready to step up there with him I feel so bad everybody's a fud. If you think they're a fud like, the fuds are in everything man like. Did you not read the the? Did you see how many?

Speaker 1: 1:52:14

comments. I got about that, about my gun having too much stuff on it. I'm like. I'm like, come on guys, it's like it's. It's a weapon light and a red dot.

Speaker 2: 1:52:23

It's pretty, it's like yeah, it's like, uh, it's like the irony poisoning we've discussed before. Right, it's like it. Just, people just label FUD so they, so they can disregard it. Right it's. You know, it's same thing with irony poisoning, Like a lot of the the. I'm going to bring it now. But a lot of the groipers do, right, they do a lot of cause. You don't. You don't really know what their opinion is, because all they can say is well, it was a joke. What's wrong with you? I was joking. Let your yes mean yes and your no mean no. If I don't know what your opinion is and I can't hold you to it, what good are you? You have no truth about you. It is a fascist. Yes.

Speaker 1: 1:53:06

Really, the fascists just have a Roman symbol in their logos. That's all it is.

Speaker 2: 1:53:13

Let's see what else we got here. They did win two World Wars.

Speaker 1: 1:53:19

Yeah well, I don't have my bread out. Say two Gulf Wars baby.

Speaker 2: 1:53:28

There's nothing secret about the Knights.

Speaker 1: 1:53:33

Yeah, you don't take an oath to keep things secret.

Speaker 2: 1:53:35

There's no secrecy to the Knights, so there's no issue there I forget.

Speaker 1: 1:53:44

So I suppose I'm still registered, so I am a Knight. I suppose I haven't gone to a meeting in forever, it's more just because we don't go to our local parish. So anyways, I forget what they even whispered in my ear during the first degree ceremony they don't even do that anymore.

Speaker 2: 1:54:02

I know they don't, which sucks, because the old rites were fun, we're good.

Speaker 1: 1:54:07

I was thrown.

Speaker 2: 1:54:07

the old rites, I mean, I didn't do the ride and the goat they did in the 60s, but there was nothing secret about it, like you could tell people what happened. Yeah, it's not like with the Freemasons, where they're like they threaten your family, you know. Um, so, yeah, when so anybody that doesn't like a red dot on a gun. I know that's not what's being said here, but when you get older and you lose your sight, you're going to love that red dot.

Speaker 1: 1:54:37

You'd think the FUDs would love them right you would think right Red dots fail.

Speaker 2: 1:54:47

My iron sights fail. Iron sights have broken.

Speaker 1: 1:54:52

I recently watched a video. I think it was by regular guy training. I don't know if you've heard of him yeah, like him, the asian guy yeah, yeah, the jokes he makes about asians are amazing. But yeah, he, so he. He does training classes, all a ton of training classes. Throughout the year he's taken stats and the number of front sights he's had just disappeared during the middle of a training class is like 10 times the number of red dots he's had fail on people's guns.

Speaker 2: 1:55:21

It's a lot easier to switch out a red dot than a front sight post.

Speaker 1: 1:55:25

Yeah, that's true. A lot easier If you ever find that front sight post in the grass or wherever.

Speaker 2: 1:55:32

Yeah, hey. Nothing is outside the bounds of possibility here.

Speaker 1: 1:55:39

How did you feel about the change in the fourth degree uniform?

Speaker 2: 1:55:45

I don't care, because that's not even the first time it's been changed. It used to be a top hat and coattails, right? I don't care about the uniform, right? I don't like that they keep changing. Let's just stick with something, keep it there, um, but you know, whatever it really doesn't matter I, so I did.

Speaker 1: 1:56:05

Just I forget what gun I was putting a red dot on, I think I don't know, but the screw sheared off in in the red dot. Luckily, it was like it broke off in the plate. Oh, it was on one of the berettas. It broke off in the the adapter plate, so I just had to order a new adapter plate instead of like when all this couldn't screw forever.

Speaker 2: 1:56:26

But it was annoying, yeah good man, that's what I like to hear. Get some good dudes together and get that thing going. Like you know for my council that I do like I'm the youngest guy by like 20 years, but I've brought in like 15 other guys younger than me by 15 years, right, in fact, you know we're tossing around the idea of doing a fundraiser but doing skeet shooting right, that'd be cool.

Speaker 2: 1:56:56

People who, who would just I've had come to approach me just because they've heard that we might do that Right, and so it just got it. Whatever you're wanting to do with your council, you can do it. You just need four dudes to take it over. That's it All you need.

Speaker 1: 1:57:11

We kind of started off the episode talking about how do we change the culture, at least in the American Catholic Church, around certain things. In this episode we talked about getting to be more accepting of guns and things like that. Well, you change the culture through these different institutional organs. Like you said, if you can get people interested in the Knights because of skeet shooting, that becomes a regular thing for that council, Well you're changing the whole culture. In the down south you're not doing that, but up here you would be changing the whole culture of a parish around firearms by getting a council into skeet shooting and getting that to be a whole parish fundraiser and things of that nature.

Speaker 2: 1:57:56

Exactly. You know you're really just limited by what you're willing to put the time and effort into doing, and that's really all it comes down to. And if you want your knights to be the face of everything, your priest will love that, because if your parish sees a bunch of men stepping up and doing something, it's going to attract more men to your parish. And all of a sudden they're like this council over here is the ones doing the security and the ushers and they're the guys that are helping with whatever fundraiser and they're putting on men's nights. You don't have to do things that have always been done. There weren't always meat smokes and the intellectual disabilities drives. Those got started from somewhere.

Speaker 1: 1:58:42

Those pictures of the old ones. Yeah, just do anything.

Speaker 2: 1:58:48

Yeah, I've saved a whole lot of them.

Speaker 1: 1:58:55

In fact I have one of the aprons. Do the I was gonna say, do the modern apron say it still no, I have an old one.

Speaker 2: 1:59:00

It was in the storage of our council and for anyone who's a convert I acquired it.

Speaker 1: 1:59:04

It didn't grow up in the church, let's just say, thinking back now to the 90s, when you'd go out after mass, the knights were there with their aprons selling tootsie Rolls for 25 cents to help retarded children help the retarded to learn. It was amazing it was a bit, it was so much. It was such a better time right man.

Speaker 2: 1:59:27

To be retarded means to be held back, right. So anybody has an issue with that word? Is what it means? It means to be held back, right, um? So anybody has an issue with that word? Is what it means? It means to be held back?

Speaker 2: 1:59:36

you know, like I have a retarder on on one of my uh lawnmowers, right, just what it is. It's holding it back exactly the more young women see young men step up. Right. For those of you that have a hard time finding dates because you like your banjo a little bit more than talking to women, you need to present a little bit more of a manly presentation, right. Presentation right because first, first time, meeting somebody matters a lot. It does if you, if you meet a woman, you've got a, a fish handshake, you know, and your hands are all sweaty. And because you're nervous, because you've never talked to practice now with women that you don't think are attractive, like when you're getting coffee or something. Talk to women, that way, you get used to it. Right, practice on other women. Talk to people, right, just get the nerves out. So when you do have a young lady that you want to approach, right, you're not as nervous.

Speaker 2: 2:00:51

Let's see, I'm probably ruffling and fenders on this one. I don't know man like a majorians, uh, you know the, the jaundice tim gordon, and uh, yes, yeah, I, I see a lot of myself in him 20 years ago, right, um, he's much stronger at his age than I was, but I have a feeling you didn't read uh nietzsche 20 years ago, right um, he's much stronger at his age than I was, but I have a feeling you didn't read uh nietzsche 20 years ago I did not read nietzsche uh at all.

Speaker 1: 2:01:19

It doesn't seem like a marine thing to do there no, no, I read, I read.

Speaker 2: 2:01:25

Uh, I didn't read nietzsche. I'll tell you that there are some other far edgier people I used to read, but he's right on track, right Like we have too many nerdy tweed wearing guys, that. But I understand where they come from. Because they come from? Because the Latin mass is a very intellectual pursuit right and I get that right.

Speaker 2: 2:01:50

But a lot of these guys have never seen a hard day's work in their life, right? Uh, when I travel, man, I see it a lot. My parish is not so much. I'm a very blue collar latin mass parish so I don't see it as much in our parish. But when I travel and I see it and like these guys are bean poles and like it looks like a stiff wind will blow them over, right, um, so it's, it's a matter of of presentation a lot of times because you can fool a lot of people.

Speaker 1: 2:02:19

It's not even necessarily just trads it, and I'm probably gonna ruffle feathers with this one. Um, I, I think converts in general, you know, because those who convert largely are doing so for intellectual reasons, right, uh, and they, they want, they want to go deep and into it, and that's a good thing, obviously. But there, there, there's a different side to catholicism too, other than just, you know, playing intellectual study yeah, the getting outside of your comfort zone is big, right.

Speaker 2: 2:02:51

You, you know, if you have a hard time picking up a 45-pound plate, you need to do that more often, right, you need to learn how to sacrifice a little bit more and, you know, sweat a little bit more. If you live in the South and you don't go out during the summer, that's an issue, right, you're going to sweat, get over it. It's uncomfortable, right, and we just have a lot of guys right now who aren't willing to be uncomfortable is really what it comes down to. Yeah, all right, so let's wrap it up. I know you got work tomorrow. Um, I do too, but I kind of make my own schedule. But, uh, I think it was good. I think we provided some good information for some guys to at least go find what they need to find.

Speaker 1: 2:03:36

Yeah, Maybe, as we continue to do this, we can. We have a website that I haven't updated in forever, but maybe there or on some other resource, we can develop resources where people can go, like maybe a list of people who can come and do a threat assessment, or where people can go for training.

Speaker 2: 2:04:08

Yeah, things like that, something long-term for us to think about, um, yeah, things like that, something, something long term for us to think about. And if y'all have somebody near you that you does that does training, you want me to look at them for you? Like they have a website, just dm them to me, um, and I'll check them out real quick and I'll kind of give you my assessment based on you know what they do. Unfortunately, there's a lot of guys out there that just because they serve in the military, they think they can teach firearms, and that's true.

Speaker 2: 2:04:32

I can't tell you how many guys in the military who cannot shoot Because I I used to teach guys when I was in the Marines. That was a PMI there's a lot of guys can't shoot. So if you want me to take out somebody, send them to me. I'll be happy to look at them for you. And then you know, like in the meantime, buy Rick's book. It's $2 on Apple books right by the time you buy it, $2 will only be worth $1.90 anyway. So just buy it anyway and at least have the resources that you can quick search. And if you find somebody on X who's spouting off about you know being fearful.

Speaker 1: 2:05:09

You can quote some things at them. And yeah, at some point we will definitely have Rick on.

Speaker 2: 2:05:14

Rick was supposed to come on tonight. I asked him to come on, but his flight back from rome was delayed.

Speaker 1: 2:05:18

The title is the armed catholic the catholic case for guns and self-defense by rick barrett. Yes, so get that I'm sure he'll. He'll enjoy the sales let's try to remember to put a link to it in the description tomorrow. It's not in there currently. Yeah, absolutely Okay, well, thanks. If anyone watches this and comes up with questions later or watches this later, put them in the comments.

Speaker 2: 2:05:45

I'll come back and check them occasionally and I'll try and answer what I can.

Speaker 1: 2:05:49

Or if you're on Twitter, our handles are right on screen. I think my DMs are open to Twitter. Our handles are right on screen. Yeah, I think my DMS are open to anyone, so just shoot me a DM or something. Yep, okay, without further ado happy labor day everyone, and we'll see you next week. See y'all, thank you.