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Avoiding Babylon
Minneapolis Catholic Community Devastated by Horrific Violence (Full LOCALS Version)
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Access to the FULL show on audio!When tragedy struck at a Catholic school in Minneapolis, the media and many church leaders immediately turned to familiar narratives about gun control. But beneath the surface lies a far more disturbing reality that few are willing to confront: the connection between transgender ideology, occult influences, and violence.
This episode dives fearlessly into territory others avoid, examining how a shooter with gender dysphoria targeted a Catholic school while displaying satanic imagery and anti-Christian symbols. We explore historical connections between gender confusion and violence dating back to ancient texts, and how modern ideologies that encourage rejection of one's created nature can lead to devastating consequences.
Perhaps most troubling is how many Catholic bishops and priests have responded - pivoting to political talking points rather than addressing the ideological poison that motivated this violence. We contrast this approach with historical Church leaders like St. Patrick, who confronted evil directly with moral clarity rather than vague platitudes. The reluctance to speak difficult truths represents what classical thinkers would call "effeminacy" - not in mannerisms, but in the unwillingness to do hard but necessary things.
We also examine disturbing evidence about occult groups that target vulnerable teenagers online, grooming them toward self-harm, gender transition, and ultimately violence. The Luciferian elements of transgender ideology itself cannot be ignored - at its core, it echoes the ancient temptation that humans can "become like gods" by rejecting their created nature.
For parents and families seeking protection in these troubled times, we offer practical spiritual guidance including prayer, sacramentals, and maintaining strong family bonds. Only by recognizing the true nature of the spiritual battle we face can we protect our children and communities from these destructive ideologies.
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Speaker 2:We didn't think a humorous video was appropriate, so we just went with the old school intro. Yeah, rob and I were going to have Michael on tomorrow intro. But, um, yeah, robin, rob and I were gonna have michael on tomorrow. Um, and I just thought I thought I have I have so many freaking emotions running through me today from from everything that's going on. And then I started seeing some of the bishops that michael was highlighting in the past couple of days tweeting about gun violence and trying to change the topic from what it actually should be focused on to pushing their typical liberal agenda items. And I said, michael, are you free to come on tonight, because I think this is just something we should all jump on and talk about.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, my, my, um, my initial thoughts are just uh's, very, very strange how we got an American pope and within three months you have a Catholic church, like during mass, getting fired upon like this, this mass casualty event. And I'm seeing like, oh, I'm seeing all the news coverage of it. And I'm seeing like old, I'm seeing all the news coverage of it. And I'm watching CNN saying things like, uh, or I might even been on Fox news.
Speaker 2:It was like a liberal on Fox news worried that you know the backlash for the trans community is going to be something that you know. They're very worried about it and I'm like you know what. Maybe they should be worried. Maybe they should be worried because I've had it with this stuff. I've had it with them making like, making it like this is about gun control, when this is really about this demonic movement that I think is more evil than islam at this point, because at least islam has the end game of 17 virgins when they get to heaven, where this one just seems to be doing it for the thrill of the evil, like they get off on the evil itself, and I think it's actually worse than radical islam.
Speaker 3:So I I mean, I don't know what you guys want to, what you guys want to touch on first, but I have a lot of feelings on this I'm just going to first say, like some of the themes we're going to talk about in the show and stuff is this is probably not a show for kids. Like some of the images the shooter use and stuff are satanic and demonic and like I don't know if all of us are going to be holding be able to hold in our anger and keep language clean at all points tonight.
Speaker 2:So if you have kids watching, maybe don't yeah, it was the first time on twitter where I was just like I was so tempted to just throw f-bombs out, like, especially watching trey gowdy's comments today, especially just just don't just watching the typical liberal reaction about gun control I'm like, are you people seriously playing this game? Right now I'm watching the catholic bishops do it and, uh, that is probably one of the most enraging things, because the Catholic bishops have coddled this movement and especially when you get down to seeing that I think it was backwards feet. That priest, I don't know, I forgot his name.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he put out that.
Speaker 2:Father Paul, let's not, even I don't want to. You know I'm not going to try to disparage a priest, paul, let's not, even I don't want to. You know I'm not going to try to disparage a priest. Yeah, he, um, he put out that the mother was a devout catholic who worked at the school and it's like so she's a devout catholic and she signed off on her son's name change when he was underage. Like, that's not a devout catholic, don't play that game with me. But in fairness, when you start listening to what these bishops and your typical diocese are saying to these people and when you see things like fiducia supplicants coming out, it does give the impression like we should care. You know, if somebody's having these feelings, maybe we should placate it and play into it.
Speaker 3:I mean, yes, that's not to mention doctors saying your kid will kill himself if you don't go along with this. Like, obviously the parents here have some responsibility at the very minimum, but at some level they're kind of victims of the ideology too.
Speaker 4:So what I know about the mother is that she was a daily mass attendee. She was very pro-life. I saw pictures of her participating in all sorts of pro-life marches and really strongly advocating for pre-born babies. So it seems to me that her mind and her disposition was poisoned by probably a priest, who encouraged her to participate in this name change, to coddle her son in such a way that he can he, he would believe that he could transform his nature, uh, from one thing to another. And you know, I don't want to say that she is a victim, because a lot of times people will go along with what they want to hear rather than what they need to hear. So there, at some point, there does come a culpability. But I also understand that the father is an alcoholic. So I heard that from somebody who knows the family, from somebody who knows the family. But the point that I want to make is that people have itching ears, itching ears that are burning to hear heresies that they want to follow. And that's part of the problem that we're facing today and that's what you were talking about, anthony, with the rise of bishops who are constantly deflecting and pointing to other issues that are not at the heart of the problem.
Speaker 4:Guns do not kill people, people kill people and it sounds like a bumper sticker slogan, but it's true and the person behind the site and the trigger is the one making the decision as to which trajectory that bullet is going to take. So we have to start getting to the heart of the philosophy and the ideas behind the one holding the weapon and to your point that we don't need to talk about controlling the weapon, controlling the guns and things like that. There has to be a proper implementation of the gun control laws we already have on the books. There are red flag laws that exist specifically for preventing people with severe mental health issues from obtaining a firearm. What happened is the American Psychiatric Association removed gender dysphoria and homosexuality and a host of other perverse sexual impulses from the list of mental illnesses. So when people go to flag what it is that is identifiable as a mental illness if somebody is transgender, if somebody is a homosexual, that does not come up and that is a serious problem.
Speaker 4:I want to read you something because I think that this will really kind of expose just how thorough the problem of transgenderism is and it always has been. We have to remember that the devil was called a liar from the beginning, a murderer and a liar from the beginning. Okay, now, if we look back to antiquity, we can see very clearly that indiscriminate killing goes hand in glove with transgenderism. Listen to this. This comes from Flavius Josephus, who was writing it about that. He was a historian.
Speaker 2:This is during the destruction of the temple right. That's correct, Yep.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so here's the quote. With their insatiable hunger for loot, they ransacked the houses of the wealthy. With their insatiable hunger for loot, they ransacked the houses of the wealthy, murdered men and violated women. For sport, they guzzled their loot washed down with blood. And from mere satiety, they shamefully gave themselves up to effeminate practices, plating their hair and putting on women's clothes, drenching themselves with perfumes and painting their eyelids to make themselves attractive. They copied not merely the dress but also the passions of women, devising, in their excess of licentiousness, unlawful pleasures in which they wallowed as in a brothel. Thus they entirely polluted the city with their foul practices. Yet Yet, though they wore women's faces, their hands were murderous. They would approach with mincing steps and whipping out their swords from under dyed cloaks. They would impale passersby. Okay, they were committing random acts of violence.
Speaker 4:Somebody asked what am I reading? I'm reading from Flavius Josephus, the Jewish war. Okay, it's about the siege of Jerusalem. So this was taking place in Jerusalem when the Roman centurions had surrounded the city. Okay, what that particular passage points to is the fact that people who dress as men, who dresses women? They're so perverse in the mind, they're so perverse in the heart, that they have no sense of the respect, the dignity of human life, and they will commit indiscriminate acts of violence. That's what we're seeing right now.
Speaker 2:Fed Calderon is not even that wrong. Now I don't have scripture in front of me, but I'm pretty sure Romans. One is where it talks about God giving them up to their own desires, to the point where man will lust after men, and then God just kind of allows them to go about. But that really is what's happening here. But the bishops that, the bishops that think placating this thing right. So what Michael's talking about here is just like this lust that that comes along with this whole thing and it leads to violence and all this stuff.
Speaker 2:Now, the bishops that are placating this, they may think that they're they man, they, these men, think that by doing this they're, they're helping this movement in some way, but in reality, when the persecution of the church comes, they're going to be the target. So they think that they're avoiding I don't know how to put this into words. They think, by fighting on that side, that they're going to avoid the coming chastisement of the church or something. But no, they're going to avoid the the the coming chastisement of the church or something, but no, they're going to be the first targets because they're going to have a Roman collar on and the persecution of the church is going to come and this, this whole, this whole thing of just pretending like the issue is not.
Speaker 2:The issue is we. We're also I'm sorry, my thoughts are all over the place, but we're also dealing with people who really, genuinely think gun control will solve this right. These are the when you, when you see how people talk past each other on this issue and you see how the left really thinks gun control will solve this issue. There's constant talk. I even saw Bishop Cupich, cardinal Cupich, today talking about how President Trump is, you know, downgrading health care and finance and that's going to lead to a further degradation of mental health. They won't actually address what the mental health issue is here.
Speaker 2:It doesn't matter how much counseling you send these people, for If in the counseling it's disordered itself, because these people are sick and they do need help, but they're not getting the help they need. They're getting people who are encouraging this sickness to go further and further, and then they're putting them on these psychotropic drugs, which enhances the delusion even further and the next thing you know they're doing things like this. This is not.
Speaker 3:This is is not to mention I was going to say not to mention, like now the rapid legalization of of cannabis, when you know studies show that cannabis, daily cannabis use before the age of 25 leads to like uh, I forget the exact number but a huge increase in in schizophrenia and other mental disorders.
Speaker 2:yep, yeah, I, I, I think that there is going to be a coming backlash against this, this rainbow cult, and I think it's, I think it's needed. Like I, I, I think that people the the idea of homophobia like I don't think we're afraid enough of them. This is a very, very dangerous, dangerous. It's a cult essentially. Well, I mean, what's Dangerous ideology that leads to? I mean, you know there are? It's a degeneracy and a sexual perversion. It's like, yeah, okay, so the trans activists may be the violent ones, but the other ones are trying to lure your children into read to them at the library, and then there's another group of them that are trying to get into women's bathrooms. And then there's another group like there's another group that are constantly getting picked up for looking at child imagery, and the whole thing is just completely degenerate and debauched and something needs to be done about it, and I think that there's going to be a huge backlash from this yeah, we don't need gun control, we need lgbt control yeah we need to have an eradication of that entire movement man
Speaker 3:because it's a weapon that's being ideological weapon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's an ideological weapon, absolutely, and it's um. I mean, I don't know how this show stays up, man, I don't know.
Speaker 3:I don't because I'm willing to take a strike over it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just I, I, I think people have had it. I think that, um, something needs to change here. I think this is as dangerous as radical islam you used to have. You used to have, you know, suicide bombers that came in. I mean, this is no different, except that the person was in the manifesto. I mean, I don't even know if I want to go through that manifesto or that video. It's so heinous. It's like the person was doing it for the thrill of the evil itself, whereas at least Islam thinks is doing it for some greater good or something. This was actually for the thrill of the evil itself.
Speaker 4:Right, I was commenting on X earlier today. I said every bishop and priest supporting LGBT ideologies and standing against the Second Amendment have innocent blood on their hands. And the fact of the matter is, if we look at the bishops that have been coddling and supporting the idea of transgenderism, look at Bishop Stowe. Bishop Stowe, who is a member of the AUSCP we'll talk about them in a little bit but Bishop John Stowe of Lexington, kentucky, was actively promoting this woman who transitioned to a man, who is acting as a hermit, and he's elevating this person in the community as a pillar of the community, as if there's some sort of pinnacle of virtue, when really the fact of the matter is this person is basically saying I changed my own nature and it's a wonderful thing. You know, I wrote about the trans movement, gosh. When was this 2018.?
Speaker 2:Yeah, before you read it real quick. Um, michael wasn't saying it like it was a good thing. He's saying there's already these laws on the books and if you actually he say it's already there, like you don't need to increase the law, you already have these red flags, the red, I mean the the red flag logs like.
Speaker 3:but that's kind of besides the point. So when you purchase a gun you have to fill out the ATF form for a 44 73 that you fill that out. They run that through the FBI background check, see if you're allowed to buy a gun. One of the questions, question 21 G, asks if you've ever been legally declared mentally defective and if you have, that automatically disqualifies you from buying a gun.
Speaker 3:So if this, if, if, if, if, being trans or or homosexual properly, diagnosed right could still be diagnosed as a mental disorder that would disqualify individuals from buying guns. Now the red flag laws are are a little different, and I do think they maybe go a little too far in most cases, because those allow anyone to call in to the police, say I believe this person is a danger to themselves or others, and then the police usually show up with a no-knock warrant where they just bust down your door, which usually causes you to shoot them because someone is busting down your door. Yeah right, but um, so that's a little different besides the point.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I was simply pointing out that michael wasn't. Michael wasn wasn't saying we have red flag laws. These are good things. He was just saying they do exist. And if you could actually have somebody disqualified for mental illness and we classified this thing properly for what it is, they would have been disqualified from having a gun to begin with.
Speaker 3:And that's essentially it. Plus, the guy talked about vaping a lot. I don't know if it was nicotine or cannabis. If it was cannabis, that also disqualified him from owning a gun, so yeah, right, um, go ahead, michael.
Speaker 2:I didn't mean to cut you off like that no, that's all right.
Speaker 4:I I'm glad actually somebody brought that up, because I think it's important to distinguish between what we already have as laws on the books and the application of those laws, for right or wrong. And, quite honestly, I'm far more open to just having as few gun control laws as we possibly can. I don't necessarily think that it's a bad thing to prevent somebody who has a verifiable melt mental illness from purchasing a firearm purchasing a firearm, provided that, uh, that person is still in that mental state. You know, if, if, uh, it can be shown that they've reformed and they, they don't, they're no longer, uh, a danger to themselves or to society, well then let's have that conversation.
Speaker 4:But, um, when it comes to to this particular classification of individuals who claim that they have changed their own sexual nature, that they live in a fantasy world, their idea of human sexuality is so perverse and so twisted that they have a false understanding of reality and they're walking through the world as if that fantasy is reality and they demand that the rest of society play along with that fantasy. When you have that particular kind of fantasy going on in your mind and you're acting as if it's reality, you have no business having a firearm of any kind, because you are a danger to the society and to yourself, because you have denied reality itself. You might as well be living in a video game.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and, and, and, and. I mean when you do go through some of the things that kids said he did have this obsession with violence. And then you add what who knows what drugs they were putting this kid on to go through this transition, and you know it's just man, this, this, because we hear all the time, like you basically hear the two sides oh, this is a gun violence issue, oh, this is a mental health issue, but you're not addressing the core of the issue of where the mental health is being derived from. The mental health issues are being derived from these insane ideologies that are being pushed from the church itself at this point, and and and that really what?
Speaker 2:What this mother probably endured was she's in, she's, she's in a church, she, she's working there, she probably it. You know she could have been trying to be a good christian woman. And then she's hearing this messaging from people like james martin she's working there, she probably, you know, she could have been trying to be a good Christian woman. And then she's hearing this messaging from people like James Martin. She's hearing this messaging even from as far up as the Vatican, and then the Vatican is kind of endorsing the James Martin message, saying that we're supposed to be welcoming to these people and not ever tell anyone the truth. You sit there and you and you welcome people and welcome people, but don't ever tell them the truth. If the church is not going to be the pillar and foundation of truth, what is its purpose?
Speaker 4:Yeah, well, you know, a couple of years ago I put out a big 64-page report on Common Spirit Health, which is the largest Catholic health network in the United States, and the report focused on the fact that common spirit health was pushing LGBT ideologies and performing sex change operations in several of its locations, and it was also pushing for the idea of transitioning kids, giving them puberty blockers for the sake of saving them, saving their lives, because, for crying out loud, if you don't give them puberty blockers, they're probably going to kill themselves. I don't know if I can say that on YouTube without getting you guys dinged, but I just did. Um, sorry, but that's, that's what they're telling the people, that that's what they're telling parents that if you don't allow this, then they're going to delete themselves. Um, and that's that's where we are. But Common Spirit Health, the largest Catholic health network in the country, is pushing this hard.
Speaker 4:Now, to the USCCB's credit, they responded by saying you know what? There is no trans ideology. God created man and woman. This notion that you can change your nature is completely garbage. It's heretical, it's, it's got. You know, you can't put forward this idea and it is completely immoral to engage in any kind of transition ideology, including and up to identifying somebody as a as as the sex that they are not, as the sex that they are not. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, we even had that clip going around two weeks ago where the I don't know if it was a Bishop or somebody at the Vatican talking about how they you know, they inadvertently ordained trans men like women that transitioned, like and they got. And he was like, don't ask me if this is, if this is possible to happen. This has already happened. Like this happened we, we inadvertently ordained women that were were presenting themselves as men and we didn't find out until later. Like this, this is something that's happened. It's this ideology is infested inside the church and, yeah, I'm glad that usccb came out with that statement, but they'll make a. They may make a statement on paper, but then in their actions, they're doing something completely the opposite.
Speaker 2:James Martin's being welcomed into every single diocese, he's being platformed, while Rob and I are getting canceled. I also want to play the Trey Gowdy clip, rob, because if anybody didn't see that, this one absolutely blew my mind. That this man sees this situation happen and what he decides is the is the root cause of the problem is so baffling to me. You have it handy.
Speaker 3:I put it in the chat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, especially because these the people I mean he decides he's going to blame white men, which is so insane because we're already dealing with the left coming down like this this is not what this issue is about and and and, when it all just seems so manipulated that you even now have these, these conservative politicians coming out and saying we need gun control. It just feels like we're being manipulated for them to take everybody's First Amendment away. Oh, second Amendment.
Speaker 3:Second.
Speaker 1:Our system is reactive. Something bad happens, we react to it, and what people are crying for now is how can we prevent this, how can we stop it? And the only way to stop it is to identify the shooter ahead of time or keep the weapons out of their hands. And so we're going to have to have a conversation of freedom versus protecting children. I mean, how many school shootings does it take before we're going to have a conversation about keeping firearms out? It's always a young white male, almost always. I mean, did anyone this morning think, I wonder, if that was a female? Did any of y'all think that? I mean, there's been one school shooting involving a female, one Tennessee, but other than that, it is usually young white male.
Speaker 3:To be fair, the shooter themselves was wondering if they were a white female.
Speaker 2:So well, that's my first thought anytime I see one of these. My first thought because, and the thing is, the last several they kept the manifesto from us, they kept the identity from us, and as soon as they start doing that, you know, it's one of two things it's a, it's a, it's a trans person, or it's a. Or it's a or it's a black person.
Speaker 3:Right, this one got out of their out of hand for them so quick, so quickly. I wonder how they let this one thing yeah, it's this one got stage it.
Speaker 2:The second the information got out, people were right on it and luckily people were smart enough to rip the videos off the guy's youtube, because they scrub that crap immediately. And the idea that trey's first thought was this is a white man like, not mine, not mine at all. First off, whenever these incidents happen, I go okay, are they telling us anything? And if they don't tell us anything, my first thought is lgbt or black? Yeah, because, because if it was a white guy, you'd see it immediately out there. So when, when they first started reporting that this person was dealing with gender dysphoria, I was like hold off, don't jump on it, because sometimes they set you up for that and then you know. So I I saw rob was even cautious about he's like this is all just rumors for now. Let's wait until we have a little bit of confirmation.
Speaker 2:But it it really is the way it plays out in the media. And then there's somebody at Fox news who's an executive who has a trans child. So the way that Fox news is reporting this and not even calling it what it is, they're saying killer went by two names, robert and Robin, and they're not actually saying the situation for what it is. The only place people are actually getting the truth of this reporting is in independent media and people like that on podcasts and things like that. Yeah, I, it's just nuts to me like either it. When you get into seeing the conservative politicians coming out and talking like this, I'm sorry, it just all seems like one big agenda and so for those not in the like in the gun community.
Speaker 3:You, if you watch the video you had probably no idea. But, like at the beginning he's mentioning a guy named brandon herrera. For you know he says like brandon herrera for president, brandon her Herrera is a big um gun tuber, big, you know YouTube uh, personality who's running for Congress in Texas, a very pro gun platform, Um, but it's also like very anti-trans and you know, obviously doesn't have the politics of this kid. So it's very interesting that one of the first thing he says in the video is to to promote, you know someone who's very pro.
Speaker 4:Second amendment well, it's, it's. Uh, you want to promote your enemies so that you can taint them with your evil, right, yeah, I mean, that's, that's pretty much what that was you.
Speaker 2:You guys looked into some of the symbolism on um, on on the weapons that I had never heard about before and you guys were actually talking to me about it a little bit in the green room. What, what, what is, what is? What were those things you guys are talking about?
Speaker 3:so I I heard this from some of the the zoomers in our telegram. Actually, um, they had been clued in on these groups from a couple of the more recent other school shootings that, uh, there are two groups. One is called order of the nine angles um, not order of the nine angels, it's angles and the other is called seven 46. I think, um, they're both like satanic, uh occultist, uh anarchist groups is the best way to describe them.
Speaker 3:A lot of people describe uh 09a as neo-nazi, but it's really more of just pure anarchy. Um, you know, they might like say, hey, jews, and in that way of neo-nazism, but they're not like political or, you know, authoritarian, it's just pure anarchy. So they're, they're, they are two, uh, satanic anarchist groups. 09a was apparently started by someone with connections to the british mi6, which is interesting that it has three-letter agency connections. But I guess 746 is an offshoot of that, um, less politically or less ideological in terms of like their anarchist stuff than 09a, but they, I guess, tend to find young teenagers on things like discord and groom them in a sense, using stuff like child porn to get them to self-harm, to get them to transition and to get them to ultimately end their lives and extreme acts of violence like this yeah.
Speaker 3:And so this guy had symbols on the weapons and social media accounts of both of these groups. Now, whether he has any official affiliation or contact with them is hard to say, but he definitely at least knew of them and seems to have very similar motivations to them.
Speaker 4:Right, that's wild. Well, and it's not surprising that he would have satanic imagery on his weapons or that he would put a picture of Christ with the crown of thorns at the top of a target, you know, taking shots at Christ. Because the thing is and this is something I can't emphasize hard enough but the trans movement is Luciferianism, because at the very beginning of time, what was it that Lucifer said? Beginning of time, what was it that Lucifer said? And we get it right there in Isaiah, where the prophet Isaiah says how art thou fallen from heaven, o Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning? How art thou fallen to the earth that thou didst wound the nations? And thou saidst in thy heart I will ascend into heaven and I will exalt my throne above the stars of God. I will sit in the mountain of the covenant in the sides of the north. I will ascend above the height of the clouds. I will be like the Most High, but yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, into the depth of the pit. When Lucifer says to himself I will become, it's a statement of transition. It's saying I am not this thing, but I will become this thing.
Speaker 4:And then, of course, lucifer gets cast out of heaven and he goes to Eden and he says to Eve you're not going to die, your eyes will be opened and you will become like gods, meaning one of us, one of us fallen angels. Now he couldn't lie to her and say that you'll be like God, because she already knows that she's made in the image and likeness of God. So he has to change it, switch it up. You'll become like one of us, one of the gods. So then, of course, eve falls for the deception.
Speaker 4:And if you go through history, you see alchemy, the idea of becoming transitioning from lead to gold. Or you get chimeras, where you can have this combination of various animals and they can become something new. Or this idea of evolution, that a species can transition from one species to another. It will become something that it's not. Reptiles will become birds, okay, uh. Or you get this idea of transgenderism men can become women, women can become men. Or ultimately, transhumanism, where men can become women, women can become men. Or ultimately, transhumanism, where men can become machine and we can download our consciousness into a machine and therefore live forever that way. So it's all Luciferian.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a mockery of transubstantiation, right, like we believe.
Speaker 3:Which is interesting, considering what he wrote on his rifle take this and eat yep yeah.
Speaker 2:So like transubstantiation, we believe the substance changes but appears under the same. Uh, you know, it appears the same, but they believe that the appearance changes but the substance. It's like a total inversion of transubstantiation. What they're doing with the transgender movement, like they believe they're, they're they, the substance is different from what god actually created them as, but they, if they just change the appearance, that will actually. It's just everything is a mockery of of the catholic faith. It's, it's I don't know man and I I think that there's going to like we're at a time where this, this has to. I I just see what the whole culture is doing right now. We're in just such a different time. I've never seen people reacting to things the way they are right now, but this one feels like they've pushed people too far and the, the liberals, coming out with their typical. I'm just going to, I mean, I'm going to read um, one of the arch this is now. This is um archbishop uh, weisenberger, who we're going to get into because he has connections to the story Michael covered earlier this week. But this is a man who has encouraged this movement and instead of him doing a little self-reflecting and going, oh my goodness, look at the monster we've created. No, that's not what he wants to do, he says.
Speaker 2:I'm deeply troubled and immensely sad to hear reports of today's shooting at a Catholic school in Minneapolis. Catholic schools are meant to be places of faith, learning and safety, and such a tragedy wounds the entire body of Christ. My soul aches for these little ones treasured by our Lord, along with their families and communities. May God embrace them in his tender care and heal those. Even the way they talk about God's tenderness is just off-putting to me.
Speaker 2:The way they say it, I don't know. I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but every child must be treasured and safe, and no child should have lived, have to live in fear. Even as we pray for those whose lives were taken today, I also ask that our prayer be matched by a, by firm endeavors to end the super abundance of handguns and assault weapons in our nation. We owe it to our families, our neighbors, our friends, but most of all, we owe it to our children. This is not like they can't wait to just jump on the political thing instead of discussing what is actually going on here, which is clearly demonic. I mean anybody that watched the video that this kid put out?
Speaker 3:it is off-putting and and clearly a demonic possession going on here I I've never been more convinced that I heard a demon than watching that video, and I've listened to the exorcism of annalise michelle. So yeah, um, and then it should be noted that the the deadliest attack on a school in the united states was a bombing back in the 1920s, but the deadliest attack on a school in the United States was a bombing back in the 1920s. So what?
Speaker 1:if they don't have guns, They'll find something. I mean that sort of hatred and evil doesn't just quit, Rob.
Speaker 2:there have been guns in this country since its founding.
Speaker 3:There's never been instances Prior to 1986, you could go to Sears and buy a fully automatic weapon. I mean yeah.
Speaker 2:So this thing that we're dealing with is a very new phenomenon, and a lot of it has to do with the chemicals that we're all putting into our bodies by the pharmaceutical companies things like that. So blaze soupage. The facts are clear Guns are plentiful and common sense attempts to limit their availability have been largely rejected in the name of freedom not found in our constitution. Cutbacks and funding for health care and social service programs will only exacerbate a national mental health crisis and increase alienation like. That statement alone enrages me, because you could pour all the funding you want into the mental health system, but if these people are going into this mental health system and they're being fed their delusion further and not actually these are people that people that suffer with gender dysphoria do actually need help, they are people who need help and they are not getting help. What they are getting is an advancement in their in their symptoms, and they're being pushed further into this delusion and fed these psychotropic drugs, and then it ends up in violence like this.
Speaker 2:I'm seeing people saying things like you know, the trans activists are violent, but not all trans people are. No, okay, fine, you know you have trans activists that are violent and then you have another group of trans that are trying to lure your children into the public library, in, in in disgusting clothing, with the, with the uh, whatever the hell. That is the drag queen story hour. Then you have another segment that's trying to get into women's bathrooms. Then you have another segment that's constantly getting busted by the police because they're looking at child paraphernalia on the internet. Like this whole movement is sick. It's based in degeneracy. Something needs to be done about it.
Speaker 4:So you know it's interesting, you were sick and as you were reading the statement from these bishops Weisenberg or Cupich, whoever it is they always say the same thing. I'm sad, it saddens me to hear that Blah, blah, blah. I'm so. Yes, it's saddening, it's a tragedy, these things are terrible, but it's. It's sickening and it's maddening to hear them speak of these things in such effeminate terms. So have you ever read the letter of St Patrick to Karatekus, the soldiers of Karatekus? It is probably the most masculine, awesome statement ever.
Speaker 4:Carodicus was this horrible menace. He was going around, he was slaughtering Christians, he was stealing their loot and taking them for himself. And St Patrick wrote a letter to the soldiers of Carodicus. I'm just going to read a portion to it, because this is how these bishops need to start learning to speak. St Patrick wrote this. He said I have vowed to my God to teach these people though I should be despised by them, to whom I have written with my own hand to be given to the soldiers to be sent to Caroticus. I do not say to my fellow citizens, nor to the fellow citizens of pious Romans, but to the fellow citizens of the devil. Through their evil deeds and hostile practices, they live in death, companions of the apostate Scots and Picts, bloodthirsty men, ever ready to redden themselves with the blood of innocent Christians, numbers of whom I have begotten to God and confirmed in Christ.
Speaker 4:On the day following, in which they were clothed in white and received the chrism of neophytes, they were cruelly cut up and slain with the sword by the above mentioned, and I sent a letter by a holy priest, whom I have taught from his infancy, with some clerics begging that they would restore some of the plunder of the baptized to the captives, but they laughed at them.
Speaker 4:Therefore, I know not whether I should grieve most for those who were slain or for those whom the devil ensnared into the eternal pains of hell, where they will be chained like him, for whoever commits sin is a slave to sin and is called the son of the devil.
Speaker 4:Wherefore, let every man know who fears God that they are estranged from me and from Christ, my God, whose ambassador I am, these patricides, fratricides and ravening wolves who devour the people of the Lord as if they were bread. As it is said, the wicked have dissipated thy law, wherein, in these latter times, has has been well and prosperously planted and instructed. Thanks be to god, I usurp nothing I share with these whom he hath called and predestined to preach the gospel in such persecution, even to the ends of the earth. But the enemy hath acted individual, uh, invidiously toward me, though, the tyrant carotichus, who fears neither god nor his priests, whom he hath chosen and committed to them, the high divine power. Whomsoever they shall bind on earth, shall be bound in heaven, and it goes on from there do you want to know what the okay?
Speaker 2:could you ever imagine a catholic bishop speaking like that?
Speaker 3:no, do you want to know what the difference is?
Speaker 2:gay saint patrick actually understood he was up against principalities and powers, right? Patrick actually understood that he's going up against pagan gods here. Right, and the, the bishops of our day, want to play footsie with the pagan gods and they don't recognize the evil that they are up against.
Speaker 2:That's right, because so many of them are caught up in their own sexual sin and they're all caught up in their own issues and financial mismanagement or whatever, or they just don't even believe anymore, right, and they, or they think that that these, these, these things that we're talking about are superstitions and that the gods aren't real. You know, the demons aren't real. St Patrick had a very profound understanding of the evil he was up against, so when he spoke, he knew who he was speaking to. He knew the power these demons had over these pagans, and these pagans saw the light when he would come and preach to them. That's right. It's just so sad that we don't have anything like that. Yo, um, I just have to say this, michael, real quick, we have never had 9 000 live viewers on youtube, ever anything like that I'm wondering if the number is real.
Speaker 2:I mean it does seem bizarre. We've never had anything. We never had more than like a thousand. So if you're new to the show, please hit like subscribe.
Speaker 3:It would be pretty awesome if you guys all hit like it's probably youtube's bots watching to see, uh, when they need to cut it that could be possible, but if there really are 9 000 people watching right now, we sure would appreciate a subscribe yeah that's.
Speaker 4:I mean, that's incredible. But you're're absolutely right. And the thing is, we have to understand what the definition of effeminacy is, because I think that that word very aptly applies to the bishops. Here's the thing Effeminacy doesn't simply mean speaking with a lift and having a limp rift. Okay, that's not effeminacy enacting a do good. So, in other words, when, when you tell your, your kids, hey, I need you to go do this chore, and your, your son, says, oh, that's a feminacy. Yeah, okay, that's a feminacy because now he's expressing a sorrow at a do good, at something that he has an obligation or a duty to perform. So when one has a sorrow at, or or just a, an empathy like a, a very F feet response to having to do something that's hard, something that's important, something that is an obligation or a duty, and they, they then don't do it because they it's it's hard or it might's hard, or it makes them sad.
Speaker 4:What's that?
Speaker 2:It's a reluctance to suffer for something that's good. It's this weakness in men that they don't want to do the hard thing, because they don't want to do the right thing, because it might be difficult. And you know what? Look, we're up against heavy pressure from the entire culture right now and these bishops are all terrified. None of them will just take a stand and do the right thing because they're afraid of the little bit of media attention They'll get. Look at what man? You look at just what they did with Cracker Barrel. Right Like the campaign comes down on Cracker Barrel, we man I think it was the Fisher King posted the other day. He's like oh, twitter isn't real, no, no, no, we are the most powerful mob in history.
Speaker 2:Actually, like we're more powerful than the Gambino Prime family. So if we put that pressure on the bishops, I promise you you'll get your Latin mass back. We just have to be willing to do it Like we got to start operating. We have do it like we gotta start operating. We have to be as as uh, wise as fox and as gentle as doves, but we just we are wise as serpents, and you know we have to be willing to put some pressure when it's needed. Like I'm so tired of seeing one thing after another happen and the faithful do nothing. None of them do anything.
Speaker 2:I mean you guys are losing your lap and you're gonna tell me you guys can't get five, 600 people together to go and pray in front of the bishops, in front of the bishops' office, Like come on.
Speaker 3:The second, someone stands up, every other Catholic around starts tone policing them. I'll tell you right now if they try taking my lap and mass away if they try taking my lap and mass away.
Speaker 4:I promise you, I'm, I'm, I'm organizing, and you remember do you remember when Nick Sandman was at that pro-life march in DC? Yes, all these people. You had Lila Rose, you had the, the head of the National, the National Pro-Life March Committee. You had all these pro-life activists. They were coming out and they were condemning Nick Sandman because, wow, he dis this native american man. And and he was, you know, they played right into it. I was the first one on social media to say stop. I know exactly what happened. I have the video right here. I've been going through all of the videos.
Speaker 2:Wait a minute you were there yeah holy cow, we didn't know each other back then. Wait a minute.
Speaker 3:So wait, you were there for the Nick Salmon. There's a lot of Hitchhiker's.
Speaker 2:Lore, we need yeah, so wait a minute. Was it your video that winds up making the rounds.
Speaker 4:No, no, no, it wasn't my video. Okay, okay.
Speaker 2:But you saw the encounter between Nick Salmon and the Native American guy.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so there was um, there was this group called the, uh, the is the black israeli, uh, something or others, I don't.
Speaker 3:I don't know the black black hebrew.
Speaker 4:Israeli too, the black hebrew israelites so they were there and they were, they were basically mocking and making fun of of this Catholic group, the Catholic high school that was there, and there was this, a lot of this back and forth, and they were really harassing the Catholics, just really harassing them.
Speaker 4:And as that was going on, you had this, the, this Native American I can't remember his name, but he's leading some sort of protest and they're doing some sort of prayer circle circle or some shamanistic stuff and he's beating a drum and he's just you know whatever. And he goes over to where Sandman and his other students are, his other fellow students, and he starts beating this drum right in front of Nick's face. Now, nick, to his credit, he turns to his friends and he's like what's this all about? And so he's got kind of a confused smile on his face. He's like, look, I'm not going to give into this.
Speaker 4:And some of his friends were starting to get mad and he actually turned around. He's like no, you're not going to get physical with these guys. So he sat there and he stood there and he just kind of smiled at the guy because what else are you going to do? And they turned that into a campaign of disrespect and they made it into something that it wasn't. So when we start looking at people who are willing to count, you were talking about police toning or toning, toning police.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:So immediately Lila Rose and all these other pro-life activists they condemned Nick Sandman right away. They're like, oh, he was in the wrong. They had no idea what was going on. They just said, oh, we don't want to, we don't want to look like the bad guy, don't besmirch what we're trying to do. So the problem that we're facing right now is that people don't get into the weeds to try and understand the truth and get to the heart of the matter and express it and explain it in a way that says look, this is the truth, this is the case, this is actually what happened.
Speaker 4:So when we're looking at this situation now with the school and all these bishops were oh well, you know, they're wringing their hands about gun control and gun violence and the problem violence, the problem is the mentality behind the people that are holding the gun. That's the problem. They don't want to talk about that. And to yours and Rob's point about the fact that these men are themselves deviants, which is leading to their effeminacy. This goes to the report that we put out earlier this week about the AUSCP, where we had priests actually admitting to the rest of the crowd hey, I masturbate and you know what? I turn it into a prayer, and when I do, I thank God for my sexuality. That's an actual quote.
Speaker 2:You want to know. What's enraging about that whole story is that I, I, I I'm gonna give a shout out to michael lofton for covering it and actually giving you credit for it, but it was really bizarre to me that you didn't have jd uh, jd flynn and ed condon covering that over at the pillar, like that's. That's bizarre to me. You didn't have anybody in national catholic register reporting on that. It's like they they really see you as like a villain or something. It's like what? So if who is going to report this stuff? If you don't, how did you get that audio?
Speaker 2:sources and sources michael's out there setting up grinder accounts and sending guys on fake dates like what's his name michael's, just in the room with a fake mustache and sunglasses my name is Señor Pastor. What the hell is his name? You guys got to help me out here. Who does that? The Veritas guy Project Veritas.
Speaker 1:He would send a grinder.
Speaker 2:Michael's out there sending a grinder to get the inside scoop. No, it really was, but it's so insane to me that you were able to get that audio.
Speaker 2:Good old hike mitch, born out there. Um. So you said you set it up and you get this audio now. And now, not just that. So, yeah, michael gets the audio with that was one of the craziest quotes from it but then you also show how these bishops are actually endorsing this. And then then that same priest that said that goes on and does a podcast with james martin. Right, this is interconnected and this all goes together.
Speaker 4:It all shows how they will divert and pretend this has to do with gun control, while completely ignoring the fact that they are very much a part of why this problem exists, of audio to go through, and trying to condense it down to a 16-minute video was really tough and I have more information we'll be releasing, by the way, just as damning, just as upsetting, much more on the heresy front than on the gotcha of that one quote. But the fact of the matter is that they're denying sin, they're denying the nature of sin. They want to say that we can be embracing and accepting of certain sins. So what they're trying to say is we no longer want to resist, we don't want to resist the evil, we don't want to fight against the evil, we don't want to have enemies, we don't want a war with anything, we just want peace. We want peace with the world, we want peace with the devil, and it's, it's. It's kind of like the story the reluctant dragon. You familiar with that story.
Speaker 2:I feel like I am, but go ahead, give us a run now.
Speaker 4:The story of the reluctant dragon. It was written in the late 1800s. It was made into a Disney cartoon in the 1930s or 40s and the story is that this kid, who's a very imaginative kid, he reads a lot and he winds up discovering that there's a dragon nearby and he gets the whole town whipped up into a frenzy about the fact that there's a dragon. And so they go out, they contact St George and they bring St George out to try and fight this dragon. Meanwhile the boy winds up meeting with this dragon and he finds out that this dragon doesn't want to fight anybody. He's not a bad guy, he just wants to sip tea and read poetry. And so the kid wow, I made a mistake, I need to go convince the townsfolk that we're not going to fight this dragon. Well, st George, you know he's already been conscripted to fight the dragon.
Speaker 4:So they come up with a ruse and they have St George fight the dragon in this great big battle and he pretends to skewer the dragon and the dragon pretends to die. And then they, the townsfolk, come out and they're like oh, wow, we got him, we're done, we're rid of the dragon. And then the dragon rises up and says look, I don't want to hurt you guys, I just want to sip tea and read poetry. And he starts reciting poetry and he's all a fet, a feat, you know, and the townsfolk say, oh well, he's not so bad and they're going to invite the dragon into the town. This is precisely the parable that we should be reading into and saying that is how the bishops are handling the devil, that's how the bishops are handling sin. They're saying, oh, it's not such a bad thing.
Speaker 2:It's the same parable as the scorpion going on the frog across the river. It's like, oh, I won't sting, you, don't worry about it. And then he stings. He's like why do you think? Well, I'm a scorpion, What'd you think was going to happen? So we do have some super chats that we got to get to before. Before we we can either go to locals or we could. I don't know. We can stay here. We got a big audience, but, um, okay, so if a doctor tells you something is, if a doctor tells you to do something objectively disordered and evil, your duty as a parent is to ignore the doctor. And the same thing goes with a priest who's telling you to do something disordered or evil. Um, for for you, Rob, what mental dis, uh, what mental defects would disqualify somebody from owning a gun?
Speaker 3:Uh, right now they would have to be um against their will you know, I don't know if you have a 72 hour hold is enough, or it has to be more than that, I would think. If, even if you were committed for a 72 hour hold against your will, I think that would be enough to prevent you from owning a gun legally also any kind of domestic violence dispute that you have.
Speaker 2:You're domestic violence any felony, obviously things like that.
Speaker 3:But well, I would add to that schizophrenia yeah, yeah, I think that schizophrenics should not own firearms but also, uh, drug use, whether it's marijuana, narcotics, um, even if you're taking prescription pills, you shouldn't be all that yeah, you'd have to tell the truth on on the.
Speaker 2:You'd have to tell the truth on the form, though, because they kind of go by scouts, honor on that. Yeah, you have to tell the truth on on the. You'd have to tell the truth on the form, though, because they kind of go by scouts, honor on that one you would.
Speaker 3:And well, except for the criminal stuff, because they do run it through a background. So, yeah, if you have a felony and you say you don't, they will find that they might find an involuntary commitment. But yeah, like the drugs that's why.
Speaker 2:That's why hunter biden's gun, hunter biden's gun was technically illegal because he was smoking crack. He just lied about it.
Speaker 3:So then it's two felonies you owned one while you smoked crack and you lied on the 4473.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've seen comments on Twitter about the amount of firepower this guy had as compared to his probable income because he was unemployed. Do you have any info to be able to comment on that?
Speaker 3:so it looked like he had um an old school smith and wesson like maybe model 10 or something like that 38 revolver. Those can be somewhat collectible but still you're looking, seven or eight hundred, something like that might be a family heirloom so that might have been in the family already. He had a cheap torus um nine millimeter handgun. You know you're looking at 300 bucks there. Probably you can get them used or at pawn shops for 200, you know. So that much there. The shotgun was um a mossberg, uh, shockwave, so probably four, four to five hundred there. And then I I didn't, I didn't see anything that told me exactly what the ar was. But you can get an ar hit it out like that for seven, eight hundred. So I mean total, yeah, you're probably, you're probably looking at five grand two, oh just say two, two, two grand at 2500 total.
Speaker 3:But I mean, you know a lot of people use those shock waves as as home defense, so maybe that was like his dad's home defense. Yeah, that smith and wesson might have been a family heirloom. So if you're really just looking at a cheap torus 9 millimeter and a cheap ar, not much all right.
Speaker 2:So all right, there's nothing to that. Um, the demonic premise is god was wrong when he made you desecrate the image of god in which you were made and remake yourself in your own image, bend reality to your will and become like god yeah, that's exactly it.
Speaker 4:um, I would add to that that, uh, there's a reason why demons possess people and angels don't, because it is a diabolical inversion of the incarnation. When Lucifer said I will become like God, what is he saying? He's saying I want to become incarnate too. So he possesses people in order to recreate or to establish his means of becoming incarnate. This is why the antichrist at the end of the world is going to be somebody who is perfectly possessed. A lot of people say, oh, it's going to be the devil incarnate. No, that won't happen. That won't happen. But he can perfectly possess somebody and a lot of the church fathers believe that that's what's going to happen. So if he perfectly possesses somebody, it will be that perfect mockery of the incarnation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is a good question For those who saw any imagery from the videos from today. What are some good ways to protect yourself spiritually? It was all so upsetting.
Speaker 4:Well, I mean the first thing that you should be doing. I mean pray the rosary daily with your family. I can't imagine a stronger familial protection. Now, during a storm, I go around with a bottle of holy water and I sprinkle all four corners of the house and I sprinkle around the property to make sure that you know, and I ask God, I say quick prayer and I ask God to protect our house, protect our family, protect our home.
Speaker 4:Well, you can do the same thing to protect your family and your kids spiritually. Something else I would recommend is, at the end of the evening, when you say your night prayers with your family, take some holy water or some blessed oil exercised oil, if you have it and make the sign of the cross on their foreheads with it and bless your family. The fathers should be doing this every night and you know it's not a silver bullet, but I can tell you you're going to see the spiritual benefits very quickly and they do compound it, does build on that and you'll see the grace is working in your family uh, it looks like youtube went back to normal.
Speaker 2:It's back it's down around 600. That was very bizarre. That was weird. We've never had like it's a glitch. It started just yeah, but it might affect the after show and make it spread further in the algorithm. That's true. You know, like if it had 10 000 live viewers, even if it's a glitch, it's gonna push it in the algorithm either way. That was so weird. I just started watching it going up.
Speaker 3:Rob texted me and I texted him at the exact same time. The feds don't work after 9pm.
Speaker 2:Thoughts on Pope Leo fast-tracking canonization for today's martyrs. I think it would be a great message of the resilience of the feds.
Speaker 3:I'll be be honest, I kind of have a problem with calling them martyrs. I do too like I mean what happened?
Speaker 4:you wait, say that again, rob the two, the two kids that that died yeah, yeah, I don't, I don't like that I have a problem calling them martyrs a martyr is somebody who makes a choice to die for the faith yeah, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2:You can't. You can't't get killed at a mass and let's say there's a bombing, let's say there's a jihad on your parish and everybody dies. You didn't willingly choose martyrdom. It's probably a very holy way to die. It's a very holy way to die.
Speaker 4:Martyrdom is a very specific way to die, specific thing.
Speaker 2:Yes, I agree with that. So, um, aren't fit to own a gun, aren't fit to be in society. Um, okay, uh, yes, mimi, you would definitely wear a very good boomer. Um, okay, so, uh, we can. Uh, you want to. Okay, so we can head over to locals. We should head over to locals. We have 10,000 people in.
Speaker 3:So what about the Holy Innocents? Do we call them martyrs officially? I mean, they're in the Roman martyrology, are they not?
Speaker 4:They are. They are. There is a tradition that they had or were given the capacity to choose their martyrdom. Um, it's not it's also.
Speaker 2:They died, um, they did die specifically so that christ could be yep. So I don't know if there's something to that. I don't. You know what. That's a that's a good thing to look into. I would say what would be the difference?
Speaker 2:yep that's, uh, that's an interesting one. I didn't think of that, but I still think, if you're, and and also there have been um martyrs declared when it you know and when muslims do attack churches and stuff. So I don't know, but that seems like a more modern thing to do. I know Pope Francis canonized a bunch of Coptic martyrs that endured something like that, which was a bit controversial. But yeah, I don't know, I get, maybe it's because they were before the age of reason, had something to do with it, um, it's true, they couldn't have made a choice regardless.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Um, the children died today because they love Christ and the shooter hated them. Um, yeah, or at minimum their parents, their parents were raising them to love Christ, at minimum. So, um, let me, uh, let me look through what I have for this super chat wants to do?
Speaker 3:what do we think about people saying alcohol is worse than weed? I think they're retarded uh well, to be quite honest, it depends.
Speaker 2:It depends I Now I'll. It depends the context of both, I think. If you're talking about somebody under 21 using weed and it becomes like a psychotropic thing and it winds up driving them crazy, yeah, that's very dangerous, but I think the effects of alcohol, when they're abused, are far worse than somebody smoking too much pot.
Speaker 1:I just do, I've seen.
Speaker 2:I've seen the destruction caused by both and I'm maybe I'm using anecdotal evidence, but I think alcohol in moderation is totally fine. I think weed in moderation is a difficult thing to do because it's a. It's a hallucinogenic to some degree, but I've seen the abuse of alcohol cause havoc in people's lives in a way that I you know, I don't. I mean, I guess we could too, but yeah, if you think about it like I was just going to say.
Speaker 3:Think of the people who you've seen lives destroyed by harder drugs. Did it start with weed?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not, not, I'm not defending weed. You guys say it's an l. I know, I know you're not, I'm not defending weed.
Speaker 2:I'm just talking about, like, when you see the abuse of alcohol and what alcohol abuse can do, but I think in moderation, like having a drink or two is completely, totally fine. There's nothing. I'm just and yes, we does make you lazy I'm not defending weed at all, I'm just. I'm. I don't know, I was just, I just didn't want to jump to answer that one quickly without giving it a little thought, that's all.
Speaker 4:So here I want to go back to the holy innocence thing real quick. I have a couple of quotes that I think are helpful. Prudentius wrote this it's a salve flores Martyrum, and here's the translation of it. It says Hail all you flowers of martyrdom whom, at life's very door, christ's persecutors slew as storms. A newborn rose's kill, or the newborn rose's kill, o tender flock, you are the first of offerings to Christ before his altar. Innocent with palms and crown, you play St Irenaeus says this suddenly remove these children belonging to the house of David, whose happy lot it was to have been born at that time that he might send them on before into his kingdom. He, since he was himself an infant, so arranging it that human infants should be martyrs, slain according to the scriptures for the sake of Christ, who was born in Bethlehem of Judah, in the city of David, um.
Speaker 2:So the way that it's described is um it's almost like they're an offering for Christ, specifically because, because Herod was so, herod was an evil, wicked man.
Speaker 4:He was a precursor of Antichrist.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he. I mean for him to just go and murder all those children because he felt a threat to his throne. I feel like you know, they were directly offered as a sack, like their lives were sacrificed in order to save Christ.
Speaker 4:It's like well, it's more than that. They were martyrs in a very unique way, because their death helps to prove that Christ is the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it's. I think it's, I think it's a different category than what we dealt with today. Although these kids were innocent, you know, um, they did nothing. They did nothing to deserve what they got today. It's just, you know it, it comes down to did they choose it? But I, you know, there is also this aspect of um, this, this bizarre coincidence of the american pope being elected and then this happens in a catholic church within three months of his election, and then you have these links to the three-letter agencies and stuff, like part of this just feels like there's something they're messing with us on man, and I know it's very conspiratorial.
Speaker 3:Well, you want to go down a little conspiracy hole.
Speaker 2:Should we do it on locals? I think we should do it on locals.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:Because we could get into the manifesto and we could maybe play a little clip or something of that video if anybody hadn't seen it. I don't want to glorify anything this guy did. If anything, we'll mock him. I don't want to glorify him, I don't want anything like that. It's just to just get a little bit of a glimpse into the the depravity of this guy's mind. I think we're better off doing it over on locals and, uh, it's also good to to reward our local supporters. So, um, yeah, we're gonna head over there let me pull up the link real quick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for anybody that's not a Locals member. What we're going to be doing is we did one yesterday, we did the advice show yesterday. We're going to be doing those once a month and we're only really going to offer those to YouTube members and local subscribers. So if you're a YouTube member or a local subscriber, you'll get a chance to come on, ask a question. We'll see how that goes. If we don't have enough people to fill that show with our locals and members, then we'll open it to YouTube, but they're always going to get first dibs. Our locals members are the ones who actually keep the lights on for Rob and I, and YouTube really doesn't pay much of anything. So we uh, we we can't continue doing this without local support. So if you guys do like the show, please help support us over there.
Speaker 2:Oh, wait before we go, Michael, let's promote, let's promote some stuff for Michael before we, before we go, if you guys are not subscribed to the Lepanto Institute over on YouTube, definitely go and do that. How can, how can, how can people find you, michael? What do you want to promote?
Speaker 4:Go to our website, LepantoIN. Excuse me, Lepanto I N dot O R G. You can follow us on X, Lepanto inst, or you can find me on Facebook Michael Hitchborn, I'm the only one there, so but, yeah, follow our research. We do a lot of deep dive investigations into Catholic organizations, like the association of us Catholic priests that we didn't really get to tonight because we were talking about a much more important topic but we do a lot of deep dive investigations. We've exposed Catholic relief services five ways.
Speaker 4:From Friday we go into the Catholic Campaign for Human Development I was actually one of the ones to do most of the major exposés of the Catholic Campaign for Human Development over the last 15 years and we have a charity reports list that encompasses all kinds of different organizations that people give to charitable organizations and that list is it's about 150 organizations long now and we rate them as to whether they're safe or not safe to give to and we give a full report on the ones that are not safe, explaining why you shouldn't be giving to them, whether they're promoting abortion, contraception, homosexuality, transgenderism, heresy, Marxism, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2:So yeah and uh, if everybody can say a prayer for kennedy hall's wife. Uh, kennedy just got um his, his son who's to be born is going to have a congenital heart disease. That they're uh, they're not sure what, what kind of surgeries he may need and stuff. So if you guys can offer kennedy and his family up in your rosary tonight, and then, we're gonna head over well before we go over.
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Speaker 3:So, um, okay, let's go rob okay, I'm just gonna start cutting these. I don't have a video prepared, so give me a second.
Speaker 2:No, I don't like doing it this way, but yeah, it does get a bit much, but remember, no salvation outside of avoiding battle. It was so weird the 10,000 live viewers on YouTube. Man, what the heck was that about, dude? We got a lot of new subs too. That was really weird, did you? Yeah, I mean not thousands or anything, but we got about 100.
Speaker 2:That's a good number, michaelael. That's never happened before like we'll we'll get. I think we've had 800 in youtube. Seven or eight hundred is the most live we've ever had, I've we. When that thing started getting up around like five, six thousand, me and rob texted each other at the exact same time. We were like dude, six thousand sixty four hundred. Then it went up to 8,200. I was like what is going on here? This is really strange. So we'll see how that plays out and the because, even if it was a glitch, it may push that show out in the algorithm and that thing's going to wind up getting 50, 60 because with with live streams, the first two hours are the most important to how it, how it does, how the algorithm pushes it.
Speaker 2:So yeah, and I do think it was a good show for that first 40, 50 minutes. You know, it was like, yeah, I don't think anybody was speaking about it the way we were, because I watched a few people's live streams today on the topic and nobody was really coming down hard enough on it. I was. I was actually like, you know, people were mentioning the trans thing and stuff like that, but I I thought I thought it should have been much, much more ferocious, considering today.
Speaker 4:No, it's time to end the uh, the coddling of those who engage in these sexual fantasies yeah, I'm just done with the freaking lgbt stuff.
Speaker 2:I'm done with it. I'm done with the. I'm done with the church playing around with it. I'm done with the culture playing around with it. This thing is. This thing is vile and dangerous and we need to stop coddling people and pretending that we're doing them a favor by not telling them the truth, like it's just getting completely out of hand. And you know, we all have somebody we know that you know may identify as gay or this or that, but it's just it's it's time they heard the truth.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't know, I mean the movement is violent in and of itself because it does violence to nature yes, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Um, there were some things in that manifesto that they translated, so somebody translated it I saw that somebody was working on a translation.
Speaker 3:I didn't know that, so one so the most of it actually wasn't in russian. In terms of the russian language. There were some russian words, but most of it was just english transliterated into the russian alphabet. So if you pronounce it, it would still be the english word. You just have to know what those letters in russian sound like.
Speaker 2:Um, but yeah, it was was transliterated back it was written in cyrillic with with english phonetics, and the whole beginning of it is basically him talking about how he's obsessed with mass murder, like obsessing on the columbine shooting and all these things. And he had he's like he was worried that if the fbi ever checked his search history they'd have a file on him um file on him now yeah, um uh, I only, I only want people finding my skate clip.
Speaker 3:I don't, yeah, my clips are so terrible and wait, let's see uh yeah, it's all just this stuff yeah, the stuff written on the weapons was all over the place, like you had, um, you know, the those satanic group symbols. You had, um, uh, a dwarf and battle cry from lord of the rings. On there, you had some weird acronym acronym that was about um skateboarding, like it was just all over this part.
Speaker 2:This part kind of freaked me out. So he says I, uh, he goes, um, I like the shooters that know what they're doing, shooters that plan for mass violence and death adam lanza, nicholas cruz, eric and dylan, whatever. Um, I revere their status. I feel obligated to follow in their footsteps, maybe to outdo them. Oh my god, I don't even want to. I'm sorry if that I said that I'm just reading. I want to kill logan. I hate that little effing spaz, massive big liar and suck up. I hate his, uh, fake personality, the kind. So, look, there's this whole subculture of glorifying these guys who do these shootings right, and there's also the plague of video games where, like the first person shooter games, when, when parents are letting their young kids do that, like it's one thing for adults to do it, but for these young kids to be playing these first person shooter games and seeing this violence from such a young age, it definitely desensitizes them to. I mean, maybe not.
Speaker 4:I mean do you do you know where the first person shooter games came from? Probably cia. Doom was created by the military. Yeah, the game doom was created by the military for the specific purpose of getting soldiers acclimated to shooting people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, to desensitize them to the site of death in world war one they used to have.
Speaker 4:They were when they were training soldiers to go out and fight on the battlefield. They set up these round targets and the soldiers were hitting bullseyes with these round targets. But when they went out onto the battlefield they started missing because the human psychology told them do not shoot at a human form. Yeah, so what they did is they changed to the silhouette, the human silhouette forms, and they were. They started shooting at those, and shooting at those human silhouette forms changed their psychological disposition so that they would be more acclimatized to shooting people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, to think that that's not having a psychological effect. I understand people like their video games and I'm not saying everybody that plays video games is going to have this issue. But there are some people that are mentally ill. But there's a real psychology behind it, of course, and for somebody who already has that mental illness to then be desensitized to the site of death, like that in those first person shooter games, there's going to be an effect there. That doesn't mean everybody that plays video games that happens to. It's just the same thing as saying not everybody that has a drink becomes an alcoholic, but some people that abuse alcohol are a problem. It's a very similar thing because I know people get very defensive about their video games In a way. I don't like to come down on video gamers because I spend so much time on Twitter and I think it's kind of the same thing, like I'm spending just as much time and I'm not trying to.
Speaker 3:I mean I would say, watching videos of people getting killed on Twitter will have the same effect as playing a video game, right?
Speaker 2:So I'm not trying to judge people who play video games. I'm not saying it's a childish thing, childish. I'm saying there are psychological effects to it and there's no way to pretend there's not. Like the one common thread through every single school shooter is not marijuana, it's not uh, psychotropic drugs, it is video games every single one of them is ssris it's not ssris, it's video games it is
Speaker 2:no, it's ssris too, every single one I'm telling it is no, it's SSRIs too. I'm telling you, there's one or two without SSRIs, and the video games are still consistent. I only know that because I heard somebody, I think it was Patrick Coffin Patrick Coffin was going through that.
Speaker 3:I think he's wrong, to be honest.
Speaker 4:For the neophytes, let's define what SSRI is.
Speaker 2:Something with an actual inhibitor intake or restrictive into SSRIs are just freaking.
Speaker 3:They're a class of antidepressant.
Speaker 2:It's so funny that Michael doesn't even know what an SSRI is.
Speaker 4:I'm terrible with acronyms. I am awful with acronyms yeah, I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm definitely citing coffin saying that. I'm not saying I came up with that research or anything.
Speaker 3:I'm citing patrick coffin saying should we go through the list of things coffin has gotten wrong recently, because I have a list he's deleted multiple tweets that I've had to correct I don't, I don't like picking on my friends, stop it I know, I know I'm joking
Speaker 1:but um but selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors there you go, I knew it was something about serotonin
Speaker 3:reuptake yeah, um, yeah, you're frying your brain and constant serotonin is what you're doing yeah, you're, it's, you're, you're constantly getting dopamine which okay to ant's point video games causes the release of serotonin and if you're on ssris and you're constantly playing video games, doing things like like drugs, which also release serotonins, your brain is just constantly soaking in constant.
Speaker 4:Yeah serotonin and the I'll. I will bet dollars to donuts that a lot of these guys are heavily involved in, let's say, triple x viewing. Oh yeah pornography.
Speaker 2:So yeah, you can say pornography on locals.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, you can say it on locals yeah, okay, yeah, there's.
Speaker 2:No, I don't think there's any like serotonin again dopamine yeah locals is not um going in the algorithm. Locals is paid members and we're not worried about them messing with the algorithm or anything but pornography is your youtube channel with some of the things clearly, not clearly, it had the inverse effect.
Speaker 2:Whatever you said actually made the freaking things jump, but um, no, that was all their servers going. Oh, it might have been, we don't know yet but the, the, the pornography is such an elephant in the room here that all of these people especially when you're talking about people with this predilection to cut their genitals off or present themselves as the opposite sex.
Speaker 2:So much of that is because of pornography. Yeah, it's so. I would think it's a bigger effect than any of the things we mentioned video games or SSRIs. I would think pornography desensitizes the human mind more than anything. I know not even pornography, but I I don't know if this is you know what. I don't trust anything you hear out of world war ii anymore, but I do remember hearing stories of like the ss, hitler's sending them to go to like brothels and stuff and you know, having crazy orgies and things like that to desensitize them to then go commit violence. But I don't know, I don't know what I trust from what it's true it's true, I mean one of look, pornography is a weapon, okay, it's.
Speaker 4:It's a weapon for destabilizing a country, it's a weapon for desensitizing your warriors, but it also is a weapon for causing uh instability within an individual. And if you, if you expose yourself to that kind of imagery, you pervert your perception of human people, of what a person is, you've subject, you, you've created a subject out of a person and you've created a subject out of yourself. Now you're nothing but a source of pleasure, and when people become sources of pleasure and then they're no longer pleasurable, they become discarded, just like anything else. Yeah, so the the problem?
Speaker 4:I think that pornography plays a massive role in this, but it's it's pornography that's at the heart of the LGBT movement too, because people that get addicted to porn can no longer determine the things that are morally sound or even uh, biologically accurate anymore. They they no longer have a proper disposition towards human sexual relationships and they start questioning themselves and well, what can I do? What makes me feel good? What's the next thrill? And you know, they start exploring all of these different ideologies. Why in the world is there a sexual fetish called furries?
Speaker 2:well, listen I I, I've been railing on this, uh, this john deloney guy lately, because he gives the he's on the dave ramsey show and he gives the worst advice ever and I heard him. Somebody called in and said that they had a friend that they suspected of of viewing child pornography, and I heard John Deloney say the words. I have empathy for people who are born with this predilection.
Speaker 2:No, I want to throw something at the screen, because nobody is born with that predilection. I'm sorry. What happens is somebody desensitizes themselves by looking at things they shouldn't look at and then it gets a little more, a little more, a little more, and they keep pushing that limit because the thing that gets the person off is so far gone at that point, because they've just totally destroyed any sense of like normality in their brain because they just kept pushing the limit of what they should look at, that now they're at a point where they're irredeemable and I'm sorry, I have absolutely no compassion for somebody that has that attraction, even if they, even even if they don't act on it, because they allowed themselves to get there, because a normal man or woman, whatever, you do not allow your brain to ever go near something like that. You just have a thing in you. You just go nope, nope, nope. We'll never go there, but these people let themselves go there and that is absolutely an act of the will.
Speaker 3:That is not something you were born with. So this group that was maybe involved, the 764, right Talking about what they have a history of doing with kids. If you look at what we now know about the whole MKUltra stuff like that was the CIA using psychotropic drugs and pornography to make schizos like Manson, which we know was in MKUltra and Kaczynski, who we also now have confirmed was in MKUltra.
Speaker 2:I didn't know that Ted Kaczynski was in MKUltra. He said so himself you know it's interesting about MKUltra.
Speaker 4:I remember in the 90s the video game Mortal Kombat and it was hyper violent. It was the most violent video game out there I played Mortal Kombat yeah, well, I mean, what kid growing up in the 90s didn't?
Speaker 4:but it was super violent and they kept coming out with new versions. And I remember going to the theater with a friend of mine and they came up with this third iteration. It only came out in the upright video game format. It was never released as as a game that you could put on your console. It was called mortal combat ultra.
Speaker 2:And yeah, but if you think the CIA is not seeding ideas through video games, I mean, we know they're doing it through Hollywood, right? You know that the CIA is planting? Yeah, of course they are. If you don't think they are, you're naive. Every form of entertainment we consume the CIA has something to do with.
Speaker 4:Let's break this down. The CIA started off as the OSS, oss yeah, os oss creates operation paperclip and they start bringing nazi officers over from germany into the united states. Why? Because they wanted to have experts on espionage and intelligence that knew stuff about the soviets yeah, so the os, rocket technology and well, and operation paperclip brought them over and put them in nasa.
Speaker 4:Okay, so now you've got oss. Uh becomes the cia. The cia in it starts carrying on a lot of those same nazi uh experiments that were being conducted in germany. Uh, you have ig farben. Ig farben was the company that was creating zyklon b, the, the drug that they used to gas the jews. Ig farben also is the company that created ru486, which is the abortion drug. Okay, uh, you have the IBM was a Nazi company. Yeah, ok, they brought it over to the United States and created computers. So you start to have a system and an entire civilization that is being built upon Nazi thought, nazi discoveries, nazi ideologies, and it's shaping everything. Look, I keep saying, I have been saying for decades Germany lost World War II, but the Nazis won.
Speaker 2:An argument from me.
Speaker 1:Wait, no, no no, no, no, no, no, no no no, no, no, wait, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't say that. I'd say the Jews won World War II. That's what I would say. I would say the Jewss won world war. I would say the jews won world war ii. That's what I would say. I'm not even trying to be like crazy, I just think. I just think that they did. They clearly did. I don't know who won. The americans didn't win. We've been, we've been taken over christendom lost.
Speaker 3:That, that I know for sure.
Speaker 2:Yep, yep I know germany lost.
Speaker 2:Germany lost, the germans themselves lost yep but the nazis won yeah, but maybe, maybe I don't have to think about that one for a minute. But yeah, it's just the the, the whole. The world war ii was the beginning of the new world order. That tried to. It wasn't the beginning. I think the reformation was the beginning of the new world order. The old world order has, clearly, but uh, world war ii was like the beginning of the new political order. That um, that um, we basically just we. We came back to from that war with this sense of materialism that had never existed in America before and it's just been such a decline ever since. Then it looked good on paper and everybody was doing having abundance, abundance, abundance, and we were just drifting further and further away from God, and I don't know if that was the intention all along, but that's kind of where we are you know it's interesting.
Speaker 4:Our lady said that russia would spread her errors um, and we we widely regard those errors to be communism. But why was russia able to spread those errors? Because germany sent lenin back into moscow. That's why lenin had been exiled from from russia. And so the germans, believing that they could close off the eastern front so that they could focus on france, they said you know what? Let's send lenin to create this revolution in russia. That way the russians will be so preoccupied with fighting themselves that we can go and focus on France. And that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 2:Well, the Bolshevik Revolution was mainly a Jewish revolution, wasn't it?
Speaker 3:Well, 20% of the Bolshevik Central Committee was Jewish Right, which is a lot higher than the two percent the jews made up of the russian population. Sure, forty percent of the mkvd officers were jewish, but I mean so not not majorities, but higher than average represented yeah were they the minds behind it? Trotsky was jewish yeah, but like stalin, was very anti-jewish, um yep, but they were very different in terms of their goals so.
Speaker 4:So here's, here's the way I look at it. Um, a lot of people like to say the jewish conspiracy. That that tends to be the phrase, but you can. You can't really say the jewish conspiracy, so much as you can say a conspiracy made up of Jews. The same way you can't say the Jesuit conspiracy except insofar as to say that there is a conspiracy made up of Jesuits.
Speaker 3:Plus, there's multiple conspiracies with Jews, because sure you could say communism was one, you could also say capitalism was kind of one, in a sense. Um, I mean, you can say, uh, adam. Smith wasn't Jewish no, no, but uh not all right, so here's what I'm getting at.
Speaker 2:I'm not, I'm not trying to make this whole show about Jews or anything. I mean I'm trying to get at that the, the, the war, the, the spiritual war between between, if you want to talk about it in terms of a spiritual war.
Speaker 4:Absolutely, we can say without a doubt that the Jewish religion, meaning the religion that was established after Christ's death and resurrection, the Jewish religion, is an antichrist religion.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And that, I think, is the most accurate way of looking at it. I don't think it's helpful to say the Jews.
Speaker 2:No, I don't either. Yeah, yeah, we never describe it in that.
Speaker 4:I'm not saying that you do, but I I see it frequently. Um, it's never helpful to say that, because who are you talking about? Are you saying all of the jews? That's? It's like saying all of the mormons, it's like saying, and they're often opposed to each other exactly your orthodox jews are not zionist, they're very.
Speaker 3:That's right yeah.
Speaker 4:So you have to define your terms and you have to be able to establish well what is the nature of the conspiracy. If you're talking about a spiritual warfare, absolutely, 100% I'm behind you and it's a unified front for them because, necessarily, their religion is a rejection of Christ, necessarily, which means Go ahead.
Speaker 2:Well, to put that in context, like there's over 2 000 years, you have this enmity between building up, between christians and jews, right? So this enmity is building up, and building up and building up. That comes to a head at the end of the story. Then it's going to come to a head at the end of the story. Then it's going to come to a head at the end of the story. It's going to be part of the story. So I'm not talking about individuals or anything like that. It's just the two, the old, the people, the god's children, according to the flesh, are going to, are going to be at war with god's children according to the, to the spirit. It's just the end of the story.
Speaker 2:It's how it goes it ends, uh, with, with, with christ victorious, but it's going to be. I can't help but see the, the jews, being the, the whore that rides the beast, and they're going to be. Who persecutes the church. Oh, I'm telling you, michael, america is the new rome, israel is, is the whore just like it was the first time you got to be very careful because I'm convinced of this.
Speaker 4:Okay, look, if you look at the way the mass plays out, up on the altar, at the beginning of mass you have the lectern or the lectionary placed on the right side of the altar. Then, when it comes time for the gospel, the altar boy goes up and he removes the lectionary from the altar, descends from the altar, then moves to the left side of the altar and places the lectionary over there. The right side of the altar is always regarded as the side of the Jews and the left side of the altar is always regarded as the side of the Gentiles.
Speaker 3:Cause it's the north side. Yeah.
Speaker 4:From. Yes, that's right. So from the right side of the altar, the, the lectionary is removed to show that the word was removed. The covenant was removed from the Jews and it was given to the Gentiles. And the lectionary remains there throughout the entire Mass, until the very end. And then what happens is the altar boy then ascends the altar. He takes the lectionary away from the Gentile side, descends the altar and puts it back on the right side, and what this signifies is the great conversion of the Jews to the fullness of the faith.
Speaker 2:It's basically Joseph reconciling with his brothers. Yes, that's exactly right, it's Joseph reconciling with his brothers.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's exactly right, joseph reconciling with his brothers Right, but in the meantime, his brothers betray him. And that's what. And it's also when, when John is writing the apocalypse, he's writing of, of the beast, which is basically Babylon, but he's but he's describing Rome as Babylon and he's talking about the whore of Babylon, which was Israel, who betrayed Israel is intermingling with the nations. This is, I mean, this is how the like, the original whore of Babylon was Israel committing harlotry with the nations, and it's and it's going to happen again at the end of time, and then there's going to be a reconciliation of the, again at the end of time, and then there's going to be a reconciliation of the brothers at the end of the story. Now, I'm not saying that's exactly how it's going to play out, but that's just. I kind of see America as the new Rome, because it's as big and powerful as Rome, you know, and maybe not America.
Speaker 4:Germany thought they were the new Rome. Italy thought it was the new Rome yeah, but we even have the. We have. England thought it were the new Rome. Italy thought it was the new Rome yeah, but we even have the. England thought it was the new Rome and.
Speaker 3:Germany and Italy also had the eagle too.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying I think we're the new Rome. Now maybe they were types and they Matter of fact, their eagles are actual Roman eagles.
Speaker 3:Our eagle isn't Our eagle's, not even a technical eagle.
Speaker 4:Right, it's a phoenix.
Speaker 2:You guys could knock my theory all you want, I'm telling you.
Speaker 3:I just don't know how this gets to be about the Jews.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Michael brought it up, it wasn't me yeah, must have. I just like throwing my theory, mr I don't always want to talk about the Jews. I don't know. I'm yeah, I don't know. I think I'm right on it, but it's just a theory. Alright, we got to wrap this one up Because I have to go in early tomorrow. It's 945. It is late and we did a lot of streaming this week and I still have to do a show.
Speaker 4:I've been sitting in this chair since this morning. I watched your show.
Speaker 2:I watched your show with gavin this this afternoon. Yeah, very good, very good show. Um, but I have to do a show with novus or to watch on friday poor man really yeah, I'm going on his stream they've never invited me I'm sure I can give you an invite if you want one
Speaker 2:I'm not, so I put out a video about set of a contest like two weeks ago, just like me like yapping for my truck yeah, all 40 set of a contest in the country watched it and you're about to pick a fight, buddy and um, they, they did like an hour rebuttal to everything I said, and but they were super charitable like they. There was no insults or anything, they just kind of like dissected what I said and I said you know what?
Speaker 2:spent an hour dissecting your 10 minute video yeah, maybe more like an hour and a half. So I reached out. I reached out and I said hey, if you guys want it's like it might be more productive we just sit and have a conversation. It's not going to be a debate. I don't want anybody thinking we're going into a debate. I don't actually know what the real set A position is. I don't know what their answer is to Do. They think all Novus Ordo ordinations are invalid? If so, how does the situation get corrected? I might just ask a bunch of questions and see what.
Speaker 3:You understand, novus Ordo Watch's position is going to be different than other SETI positions, absolutely.
Speaker 2:There's not even unity amongst the SETI. But that's why I think it might be an interesting show, because it's not going to be a debate. And first off, he's a legend, Novus Ordo Watch. People have been reading his stuff for a decade. He does a lot of good work in bringing to light the same kind of stuff Michael does. So it's you know.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I'm looking forward to the conversation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a lot of people say, well, novasaur to watch is fine, I mean, and he's a very good dude. Like he's not, he's not crazy.
Speaker 1:No, he's not crazy.
Speaker 2:I would never go on with the Diamond Brothers, but I'll absolutely go on with Mario.
Speaker 3:Mario's really good. Okay, don't lie.
Speaker 2:You would probably go on with the Diamond.
Speaker 3:Brothers, oh my gosh.
Speaker 4:That would be Just for the fun. I would pay money to watch that show.
Speaker 2:Well, the Diamond Brothers got some insane apocalyptic theories. Man like it's some insane stuff that they believe in.
Speaker 4:I will never forget michael diamond, breaking down michael voris and going into how voris is casting spells on his audience, because he's got this pencil and he has this show called the vortex. Vortex, a vortex is something that sucks you in. And he has this show called the vortex vortex. A vortex is something that sucks you in. And he has this pencil and he twirls it like he's casting a spell, and then he points it right at the audience because he's casting a spell you know what?
Speaker 2:I think he's right. Okay, but I think he's right, man, I'm on diamond side you just claimed the cia invented doom, so they did they did?
Speaker 1:They did invent Doom.
Speaker 2:And the CIA invented the Diamond Brothers. They are running Holy Family Monastery. All right, I'm telling you.
Speaker 3:They were probably Operation Paperclip involved.
Speaker 2:Oh man, all right, we got to wrap this up. I do have to get some sleep tonight, but, Michael, we always love having you on, brother, I heard to say some sleep tonight.
Speaker 4:Michael, we always love having you on brother.
Speaker 2:You bet, I heard you say it was fun. Michael did get our audience up to 10,000 tonight. You're coming back on soon. There we go. Alright, guys, we will see you guys. I'll see you guys on Friday on Mario's channel with Nova's Order Watch. Then Rob and I return Tuesday. I don't know what we're doing yet. We'll let you know next week.
Speaker 3:When is Charles Frani?
Speaker 2:He's coming on Thursday. He's coming on Thursday, but he's not coming on at the beginning.
Speaker 1:He's not going to be on the whole episode.
Speaker 3:We should ask. We should see if he can do some research on these satanic groups for that episode. Okay, oh, he probably would be good for that.
Speaker 2:Give him some homework, but he's not coming out at the beginning of the show. I'm going to have him come on at like eight 30. So we'll do a half hour, me and you, and then we'll have him. Him come on midway. So all right, rob no-transcript.
