Avoiding Babylon
Avoiding Babylon was started during the height of the COVID-19 pandemic. During these difficult and dark days, when most of us were isolated from family, friends, our parishes, and even the Sacraments themselves, this channel was started as a statement of standing against the tyrannical mandates that many of us were living under. Since those early days, this channel has morphed into an amazing community of friends…no…more than friends…Christian brothers and sisters…who have grown in joy and charity.
As we see it, our job here at Avoiding Babylon is to remind ourselves and those who enjoy the channel that being Catholic is a joyful and exciting experience. We seek true Catholic fraternity and eutrapelia with other Catholics who, like us, are doing their best to live out their vocation with the help of God’s Grace. Above all, we try to bring humor and joy to the craziness of this fallen world, for as Hillaire Belloc has famously said:
“Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine,
There’s always laughter and good red wine.
At least I’ve always found it so.
Benedicamus Domino!”
Avoiding Babylon
Viewer Call In Livestream - Ask Us Anything!
What happens when Catholic men open the lines and let their audience ask the hard questions? In this unique call-in format, Anthony and Rob field questions spanning everything from fatherhood regrets to navigating Catholic marriages in today's world.
Fathers seeking wisdom ask what the hosts would have done differently with their children, leading to powerful reflections on homeschooling, family prayer, and raising children with a strong Catholic identity. Both hosts candidly share their biggest regret and offer practical advice for those still early in their parenting journey.
Young single men seek guidance on finding faithful Catholic women in a dating landscape that seems increasingly hostile to traditional values. The hosts remind them of their worth: "You underestimate how valuable what you have to offer actually is. There aren't many men who want to get married, have children, and provide for a woman."
Military veterans share stories of maintaining faith and marriage during deployments, while others ask about navigating relationships with difficult family members. Throughout the episode, the discussion returns to a central theme: the importance of men embracing their role as spiritual leaders in their homes and communities.
The episode also ventures into theological territory with questions about favorite saints, Marian devotion, and the various positions within traditional Catholicism. The hosts maintain a refreshing charity toward different perspectives while still offering their own thoughtful takes.
What emerges is a portrait of Catholic men striving to live their faith authentically in challenging times—supporting one another, learning from their mistakes, and working to lead their families toward heaven despite cultural headwinds. The conversation demonstrates that while the path of faithful Catholic manhood isn't easy, it's immeasurably rewarding and absolutely necessary in today's world.
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I'm going to put the um the stream yard link in the YouTube description and we're just going to let random people pop on the show and ask advice questions.
Speaker 2:Good evening. My name is Ben. I'm a long time listener, First time caller. I just wanted to say I cannot hold my tongue any longer. I think you, Anthony, and especially Rob, need to lighten up on all the antisemitism.
Speaker 1:Israel is our greatest ally whether you like it or not, it's gay. Stop it, all right. Ladies and gentlemen, pappy never disappoints, ever so all right. So here's the thing I have been um mulling this idea of a of a like an advice show around because I've been watching hate watching. Hate watching john deloney from the dave ramsey show, like when I tell you, hate watching, like every single thing.
Speaker 3:This guy like, just how, like the pipe cottage, hate, hate, watches us yes, it's actually exactly what he does.
Speaker 1:Pipe cottage comes in our chat, in our comments, and he just tells us how we're not catholic every episode. This guy's been catholic for 10 minutes and he wants to lecture us on what it means to be catholic. It's amazing, pipe cottage. We know you watch every episode. You can't help it. It's. I do the same thing. I don't even blame you. I do the same thing with john deloney. This guy drives me nuts. He'll talk to a woman. John deloney, john del. He will talk to a woman for 30 seconds and within 30 seconds he'll convince her that she's being abused and he'll tell her you need to go see a lawyer, you need to file for divorce. This is supposedly a Christian based financial advice show.
Speaker 3:He can't be that Christian. He was on with Lila Rose.
Speaker 1:Wow, financial advice show. Can't be that Christian. He was on with Lila Rose. Wow, that's even more ruthless than my line last night.
Speaker 3:No, you said, she's one of the most evil people in the world.
Speaker 1:I thought I saw John and Lila were all together. It's like a combination of the two most evil people in history. That is worse than what I said. Yes, but I was funny and gentle. You're just. I don't know when you make, when you make, mean-spirited jokes.
Speaker 3:They're just so mean, I don't know, I know, but they make you laugh. You love them all right.
Speaker 1:So so we all right, we're gonna play two. We're gonna play two instances of like horrible advice that I've seen in the past couple of days, and then what we're going to do. So then yesterday I saw keith nester. Well, welcome to avoiding babylon everybody. We don't even do introductions on this show anymore. Please hit like and subscribe. That's the best we got for you. We have no, no advertisers or anything like that. But, yes, please hit like and subscribe. Share the show. So, um, I saw keith Nestor yesterday on his Monday live stream. He just posts the StreamYard link and pins it as the top comment.
Speaker 3:He has a trustworthy audience. That is very true.
Speaker 1:That is very true, so but OK, so I'm going to lay some ground rules down for you guys. I don't want debates. This isn't the Jay Dyer show, right? I don't want people coming on to argue, debate stuff like that, the set of a contest that are in the chat. If one of you guys want to just pop on and talk for a second, I'm fine with that. I don't want to debate set of a contest right now. I'm going on Friday with Novus Ordo Watch. I'm doing a stream with Novus Autowatch on Friday. After that we have the three-day weekend because of Labor Day. If you guys want to do a show on Monday, I'm open to that. So if all you guys are in here and you're thinking this is your chance to come on and roast Anthony, let's not do that tonight. I will give you guys an opportunity to do that. Maybe I'll jump on stream monday night and do something similar. And if you guys want to come on and engage me, I'm totally open to that.
Speaker 1:I just don't want to like have this whole show tonight be a complete fiasco and I'll just straight up ban you so yeah, right, and and rob's not the right guy to have on if you guys want to like we'll just do that I'll do that with you guys solo, so, but what I am hoping for is, um, like I'm dealing with something in with a family member right now, where this person was, uh, clearly upset with me for a couple of months but has been to my face, understanding like everything is fine. Things like that, huh no, nothing so with the person was pretending.
Speaker 3:You know what's funny, you know who was in our chat last night? A lot without you there. Who your brother, joey?
Speaker 1:was he? Yeah, oh, that's funny. So this family member was, you know, like pretending like everything was fine and it kind of came out yesterday. I'll share that show on locals because I would actually like to hear an outsider's perspective on how I should handle that, because part of me is like enraged by it and I kind of just want to pop off and be like you know what all the crap? I've dealt with with this person for this long and like I just want to kind of vent. And then the other part of me is like all right, maybe how should I handle this relationship-wise, because I actually care about this person and I don't want it to blow up like that.
Speaker 3:So if somebody has something like that, if you have a question about the Catholic faith, Maybe on Locals we should have Cale hop on and be the co-host and you be the caller and he'll give you advice.
Speaker 1:That could work. I can ask Cale. I can ask Cale for some advice, that would be good. Ask kale for some advice, that would be good. Um, so the the idea. Yeah, if you're, if you're a protestant watching and you have some questions about catholicism, we're totally open to that. If uh, uh, yeah, like whatever, if you I don't know somebody said like uh, what are your thoughts on the knights of columbus? Something like that, now here's the thing you can. So when we put the stream yard link up, you guys are going to go in the green room. I think you have the option to turn your camera on or just your microphone, like if you remain anonymous.
Speaker 3:You can remain anonymous because, especially, there'll be a camera icon you can click and it'll turn the camera off and it'll.
Speaker 1:It'll just be like this, basically right so if you are worried about being anonymous, you can be anonymous. What I would suggest to anybody that does come in put your twitter handle as your name or, or, if you're in the chat, your your chat name and you put in grover.
Speaker 1:I can make sure not to let you on well, I would say, put your twitter handle because it's a good advertisement for your twitter handle right, like, if you want to grow your twitter, it's a good opportunity to pop on, grow your twitter handle a little. Maybe some people from the chat will actually follow you. Um, what we're going to do, rob? I want you to post the link first to you, uh, to locals, members and youtube I'll do it to telegram locals and youtube members so so those are the first dibs.
Speaker 1:Okay, so it's going to be locals, members, youtube members and our telegram chat, because most of the people that are on locals are in our telegram, so they're going to get first dibs. If we don't have anybody that wants to come on, then we will open it up to the wider chat. Um, elijah says I want to grow my, I want to grow my twitter. So jay dyer to base. I think jay actually said to elijah bro, your twitter's not even big enough for me, because elijah wanted to have jay on his channel and jay kind of insulted him I'm posting the link now, but no one joined quite yet okay, so we're going to play the two clips of advice that we have just to give you guys a little example of kind of the stuff that was enraging me this week, and then, uh, yeah, and then we'll get into.
Speaker 1:Like you know, maybe you have a girlfriend who's accusing you of emotional abuse or something. I don't know, because apparently this is a thing. Now. There's a such thing as emotional abuse, financial abuse, it's financial infidelity. I never knew this. Uh, there's, I mean, these are all these terms that I've learned in the past few weeks. So, um, yeah, I would like to. I would like to dive into some of this stuff. The Zealots Dan, I saw you commenting on one of our last videos. If you're on Twitter, let me know who you are on Twitter and you can send me a DM and we can try to set it up if you guys want me to come on with you.
Speaker 3:If you're not on Twitter, just email team at avoidingbabyloncom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm always open to helping guys that are trying to get something going, like a lot of people helped us when we were getting going. So if you guys are trying to get something going, I'm always I'm always open to helping the younger guys out, especially. So All right, so let's play the first John Deloney clip.
Speaker 3:See people are already popping in.
Speaker 1:We guys are already popping in.
Speaker 3:Why see? People are already popping in? We guys are already popping in. Why huh it's?
Speaker 1:true facebook, facebook, how we lose facebook I don't know, not a big loss there, but, yeah, it's not a big loss as long as it's not, uh, one of the one of the big ones. Oh, my goodness, we got guys popping in already. All right, guys, just hang in the green room. We'll tell you when it's your turn to come up. You guys just sit and sit tight and hang in the green room. We have people already ready to ask questions. Oh, it's been a while. It has been a long time. We're gonna have to get all right. You know what? We'll have to get crypto on first. Yeah, we'll get crypto on first. Um, play the john deloney clip real quick and then we'll go right. We're gonna go right to crypto do, uh, is it crypto ducket or crypto ducat? We'll have to ask him.
Speaker 3:We'll have to ask him okay, let me uh, all right anybody in the green room.
Speaker 1:Just sit tight. You guys are on deck, you're in the lineup, you guys are coming on. Everybody on the um. Man, they got a lot of dude. That's funny, did you?
Speaker 3:remove facebook? No, there's no reason to remove it, it's just not working.
Speaker 1:All right, I was blocking my screens, all right. So let's play that clip real quick and then we'll get to crypto ducat.
Speaker 8:He's first on deck can you be real honest with me? Sure, uh, is he abusive no emotionally I don't let him be emotionally abusive that sounds really tough and cool and I appreciate you reflecting. Is he emotionally abusive?
Speaker 7:I don't know, I really don't know if I can answer that like I sometimes. Let me put it struggling to say yes because I don't really want to say yeah there you go. I don't know if I could.
Speaker 8:I don't want to say yes okay, I will leave you to deal with your reality, but you know the truth, I think they call that a. You also know that guys can wrap themselves up and I'm a good guy and they can be hyper abusive without ever saying a word. All right, can you be?
Speaker 1:real. This isn't. No, no, this isn't a leading question. This woman was totally fine. I'm not abusive. My guy's a good guy and he just convinced that woman. She's being abused like that's psychotic. That's not just like that, is totally psychotic. So I think, personally, I can give better advice than john deloney. I think I just think I can. So, all right, we lost crypto, duck it no, he's there oh, he's there okay so he's first on deck we are going except crypto.
Speaker 3:You need to connect a microphone or camera.
Speaker 1:One or the other. You don't have to put your face up. I can't add you. Okay, so you want to pick Luke or Roman Wins, which one?
Speaker 3:K. Luke was first, so we'll start with him.
Speaker 1:Let's see All right, k Luke, welcome to the program. Your mic is muted. You will not be able to ask the question until you unmute your mic.
Speaker 3:Still muted.
Speaker 1:Mic is muted. Hey, what's up guys. There you go. How are you doing, luke? What's going on?
Speaker 9:No, still Okay. No, we can hear you. No, we hear you. Can you hear me now?
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 9:Can you hear us? Hey, sorry, there's a little bit of a lag here no problem look can you hear?
Speaker 1:us, his wife peter, can you hear us? Can you hear us, because we hear you fine.
Speaker 9:Well, anyways, my question for you guys. I thought Rob might like this one. He's got quite a lag.
Speaker 1:He's like two minutes behind.
Speaker 9:Sorry, this lag is like super long, it's like 10 or 15 seconds, but okay anyway. Anyway, um, uh, if, if you guys could go back um and actually uh, redo. You know some of the things that you did initially when you guys were fathers, um, what would it be, uh? And you can't do two things, obviously. One is you can't say teach the faith or something really obvious like that, um, and you can't say co-sleeping um so anything else?
Speaker 9:uh, that would be awesome. Uh, just any advice that you guys would have for for being a father okay, those are actually.
Speaker 1:That's actually really good questions. What would I go back and do differently?
Speaker 3:You're kind of in a different situation than me.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, because you're there. Now it's more of a question for me, because my kids are older. Homeschooling would be number one Right off the bat. Homeschooling would be number one because when I first came back to the bat, homeschooling would be number one because when I, when I first came back to the church, it wasn't nearly as crazy as the schools are now and I really didn't know how much just between feminism and the Marxist culture that that public school actually indoctrinates our children with public school actually indoctrinates our children with Um. I would absolutely have, like from the beginning, tried to do everything I could to set my wife up, maybe joined a homeschooling community or something like that. Um, that's, that's the first thing I would do, um, and the second thing, um. Man, these are, these are hard questions. I wish I had a minute to actually think about them. You haven't. You have anything else at the top of your head. You're thinking, rob uh.
Speaker 3:so for me with our first um hope was my wife was still working at the time and worked for uh about well for two years, and so my, my second, third and now my fourth kids have had their mom at home all the time. My first one, my oldest, didn't, and there's definitely more anxiety in him, whether that's just him by nature or part of not having his mom home with him all the time. I really think it's a large part due to that.
Speaker 1:So I would definitely have gotten hope out of work much sooner than we did. I definitely would have used books like the Golden Legend and I would have definitely introduced my children more to the lives of the saints and read them more scripture, so like we did daily rosaries, things like that. But I probably would have tweaked the way I introduced scripture and the saints to my children. Those would be two things. So those are very good questions. Luke, do you have any follow up?
Speaker 9:We can wait a minute. Sorry for the delay there. No, that's, that's pretty much all Um. I had, um, my my son was actually born a week ago, and two days after that, or two days before, rather, my father passed. So it's been like a crazy couple of weeks for me and yeah, so it's been a crazy week and yeah, if you guys could just pray for Elijah, my son, that'd be awesome and yeah, yeah, we'll definitely do that. All right, rob.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you guys could just pray for, for elijah, uh, my son. That'd be awesome and uh, yeah, yeah, all right. All right, rob, we're gonna, we're gonna cut him because, just because of the delay, it's too difficult to have a back and forth with him. But, yeah, luke, absolutely so, luke, luke actually dn'd me, um, when his son was born and stuff. So, keep, keep luke and his family in your prayers. Um, that was a. Those are really good questions. Those are way more, uh, way better than I thought we were gonna get. Okay, you want to? You want to go to roman, or is crypto ready?
Speaker 3:uh, I don't see crypto on the list all right, let's go to roman what's up boys?
Speaker 11:first time long time what's happening, brother, uh?
Speaker 11:roman wins. Uh, I follow you on twitter. I'm also a local supporter, I guess, uh, but uh, thank you, that was a great answer. Married 21 years, I got two. I got two kids in their 20 and 17. So I I completely co-signed that advice you just gave. I wish I homeschooled earlier and I wish I imported more scripture in my younglings. But what can you do? But basically, I guess my question is it a question? Is it a question? I don't know if it's a question, it's more of a statement.
Speaker 11:I'm a I'm a 22 year military intelligence analyst working in the deep Middle East my whole career. I'm a Puertoerto rican from the new york, new jersey area. So they think we look arab, so they embed us peoples over there. So it's like, whenever you black tool, I'm the first in the chat saying you know, anthony, black pill, because we see this stuff every day. This the kind of the religious ties between the geopolitical.
Speaker 11:So, uh, keep doing it, man, like it's so real, these guys believe this stuff. I mean, um, this, this people don't know the whole october the 7th kicked off because they they had just actually started importing the red heifers into israel and so they got tipped off of that stuff ahead of time and that's when the attack happened. So I'm in the chat all the time you ever want to talk about this stuff and get nuts on the locals. I got stuff for days, but uh, basically that's when the attack happened. So I'm in the chat all the time you ever want to talk about this stuff and get nuts on a locals. I got stuff for days, but basically that's all I really wanted to.
Speaker 1:You know, just say, let me ask you something. So All right, so you're married 22 years and you've been in the Middle East. Like how long have you been home for? I've been back, well, so I've been out of country for the last 10 years, but I still work and you know liaisoning and things like that. How was that? How was that on your marriage, Because I'm your family with you, or was that was it? How was?
Speaker 11:that that was. That was very difficult. So my wife and I we were, you know, both cradles and we got married at 20. We were, uh, you know, both cradles, uh, and we got married at 20 and, um, being in the Middle East and things like that was, uh, was really tough. I mean, basically, you're talking 2002 or 2003, 2004. So, like we had satellite phones, you actually had to remember phone numbers and things like that. And, uh, she was on the phone with me in SAT comms when I've been hit by RPGs behind sand walls, like insurgent things like that. So it was. I mean, you know we're Sacramento, so we were never going to break up.
Speaker 11:But full disclosure, it's like you're stuck apart for each other almost six months to a year, and the longest was 18 months when I was stuck overseas and it's really taxing and so it's kind of like I'm not even lying. It's a great question that you asked me. I had like a chaplain that was like dedicated to keeping me sane and keeping me like focused on. You know, you don't want to mess this up, this is binding. So it was really taxing. And being in special operations commands it's not like a normal military, it's like 75th Rangers and special forces. They keep going back. So it's constant rotations and it's, it's, it's. It's the highest divorce rates ratio wise, for a reason. But you got lucky. And on my last deployment, back after I took um, I got wounded. She was like we're done. I got lucky, uh, I took a military civilian job and then I came back to the Philadelphia area and I've been there ever since. Uh, but now it's, it's, it's a, it's a challenge, man. It was a really good question.
Speaker 1:God bless me Because, like you hear it all the time military wives it's like you know their husband's absence so much. You know as hard as it is on you, it's hard on the wives too. So God bless your wife for sticking through all that. So all right. So if we do a black pill episode and we want to get into the geopolitics, we'll we'll have you on a locals episode one night and we'll go deep with you.
Speaker 11:You guys, it blows my mind, you know, because like how you know what people don't know, but like how, how close you get on some things and I just sit in the chat and I just smile how did you find our show?
Speaker 11:uh, I've been a. I will first, you know, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're a delight on twitter, and so you're, you're, you're stink to the top, and that's how I found you, probably about nine months ago, and then I immediately became a locals member and I've been around ever since. So it's like you know, I hate the fact that you know we're in this Catholicism thing. My name is actually Roman and so, very cool, yeah, so it's like, uh, my name is Roman, my, my, my name for years was Roman wins, and then the stupid WWE wrestler took the name and then, you know, the Catholicism online space blew up. So it was just like, well, do I come up with a different handle? This is my actual name, so what are you?
Speaker 1:going to do and that's your actual. Is that your full Twitter handle, Because I do follow you on Twitter.
Speaker 7:Yeah, roman with a number zero, just it. Try and get claiming the name roman yeah, yeah all right.
Speaker 1:So hey, anybody, just go go follow roman wins. Thank you for the question, brother. We'll get you back on another time. Very cool, um, all right, rob, you want to bring sell a cast on?
Speaker 3:do we want him or do we want Christian and Margo?
Speaker 1:Oh, bring Christian and Margo on. We'll get SellaCast on, but Christian and Margo, the newlyweds, welcome guys. Hi Hi, how is married life? It's interesting. It's good it's different. I want to get used to.
Speaker 13:Yo, this is my question how do I get her to make a sandwich for me?
Speaker 14:I've seen your glasses and your tits.
Speaker 3:Well, first does she know how.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a good question. Does she know how to make a sandwich?
Speaker 13:Yes, I do. I don't know, man, she doesn't put mayonnaise on it. She doesn't put mayonnaise on it at all.
Speaker 15:Mayonnaise is disgusting.
Speaker 1:You better straighten this broad out, Chris. You know it. You know it. You better straighten this broad out right now. Yeah, I don't know. I would take her phone away for an hour and say every hour you don't make my sandwich, you get three-hour penalty on the phone. Look at this, it's attached to her hand.
Speaker 13:That's exactly what I'm going to do. I'm taking that phone away until I get the sandwich of my dreams.
Speaker 1:We're very happy for you guys. Congratulations, margo. We like Christian much more than you. No offense, I'm not a big fan of women on this show. You got a woman on.
Speaker 13:Pray for us to have lots of boys, lots of girls, boys.
Speaker 1:Oh, you guys expecting yet, or what?
Speaker 13:No no no, not yet. He's not going to get working on that. But, boys.
Speaker 1:We don't want any more tawdry marriage. Talk over here.
Speaker 13:We're glad you guys popped in. We don't want to scandalize the single man, yeah.
Speaker 1:Alright, congratulations guys, thank you, let's bring. All right, let's bring cellcast on. Let's. It's probably grover, right, if it is grover, listen. I'm telling you guys, right now there's absolutely no vulgarity on this show. Like, don't try to be anything crazy, but no puppets, nope. Whatever you could do, you could do anonymous. I'm fine with that. Let's bring cellcast on. Let's see which one of them it is.
Speaker 3:Hello my friends. Which one are you.
Speaker 10:I'm not Grover, that's for sure. Oh okay, Is this Nami?
Speaker 1:Oh, john. Okay, what's going on, john you?
Speaker 19:got a real question, anthony. When are you bringing on? I Love Contraception, john Farrell, you know what it is.
Speaker 3:It's a topic that he's down there right now. Yes, I know.
Speaker 1:Well, the thing is, look, it's not that I won't talk to him, I don't want to, I don't know. Man Like a whole episode on him. It's a lot. It's nature and nature, and nature and contracts.
Speaker 1:I told you guys, if after the weekend, the Monday at the end of the three day weekend, I'm going to come on, and if you guys all want to just jump on with me, I'm totally fine with it and we'll talk about whatever you guys want. I'll do a show at you. Guys won't invite me on your show we invited you multiple times, yeah 20 seconds before airtime.
Speaker 1:You can't just throw me a DM 20 seconds before the show goes on and then call me. You know, get on my case because I didn't have time to jump on with you guys. But I'm not against hanging with you guys. I'll definitely talk with you guys. But it was nice talking to you, john.
Speaker 16:I hope you show your face when I come on One day I already have. Don't worry.
Speaker 1:I'll talk to you guys on Monday. We'll set something up. Who do we got next? Did you pick? I can only see David, I'm not down.
Speaker 3:I don't know why I think David was. We got a bunch of people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you pick, go random, I don't care. All right, david, you are on Avoiding Babylon. What can we help you with?
Speaker 4:Hey guys, Wait, just let me pull up right here. Driving I was driving home from work. I have a long commute. Let me turn on my camera. Hey guys, here we go. What's happening?
Speaker 3:Hey, hey guys, here we go, what's happening, hey.
Speaker 4:so yeah, I'm David, I'm 24. I'm married for four years now. I have three kids in those four years. Nice.
Speaker 4:So we're really trying to do God's work over here in California, of all places, and so my question for you is just any tips, like to strengthen your relationship with God, like specifically with your spouse? I know that we and we try to do the family rosary, but I don't know Is there anything that you guys have done, each of you with with your wives? I don't know any devotions that you might want to recommend. And I have another question after that.
Speaker 1:Let me ask you this is are you, were you like? Did you and your wife have a conversion? Were you both cradle catholics?
Speaker 4:give me, give me a little backstory too oh yeah, uh, homeschoolers, um, you know, I guess I mean I don't know if you could call it high school sweethearts. I mean we, we met like towards the end of high school. Um, we actually met in this one Catholic youth group and I remember when I was starting I don't really want to say the name of it it's kind of like a big, big anyways.
Speaker 4:So we met in that youth group and we kind of branched out and, you know, my family started talking to his, to her family I mean, and we started talking to each other and one thing led to another and I actually followed. I was listening to a bunch of Father Ripperger, so I just literally took his courtship video and tried following that step, for you know, kind of exactly to what he said, tried following that step, for you know, uh, kind of exactly to what he said. Now, you know, now I'm a little older, now I get like the flexibility you know of of ideas. I don't just have to do what father rupiger says. But you know, at the time, yeah, I'll tell you.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you this I always, like, I always found it a little awkward to pray with just me and my wife. But when my kids were around, I always felt great, being like the spiritual leader and leading the family in prayer. So I always heard stories about like, like couples, that that would you know, just sit and pray together. And my wife and I've always I don't know why like well, so like, if we go out to dinner, we of course we, we pray before our meals and stuff like that. But like, we never really did pray in bed together, just the two of us. It was always like a family-led group praying, um. But I would say, especially if you can get a sitter, I would say even just sitting in adoration together.
Speaker 1:And I will say this like you guys, like even rob, you guys are in the thick of it, like with the little kids, and like mayhem in your home. But you guys have to really make sure you're attentive to your wives, like it's, it's an important thing. Otherwise you're you're. You got to make sure your relationship doesn't become stale and mundane and that you just become roommates, raising kids together, and that you still treat each other Like you're trying to pursue one another. Right Like you're, you're, you're. You want your wife to you, don't? You don't ever want your wife to just be your roommate. It's a very important thing. So that's. That's a small bit of advice I would give Rob. You have anything.
Speaker 3:No, I would say, you know things you can do as a family besides like just just the family. Rosary, and it's not necessarily like devotions, but we like to celebrate all the kids' name days, like their patron saints, for both their first and middle names. So we make that kind of a big deal as a family and I'll tell them a story about their patron saint. So we enjoy doing that as a family. But also, just, you know, like, so we enjoy doing that as a family, but also, just, um, you know, like so we're doing, we're homeschooling and um, I, I try to do the, the religion aspect, while while my wife does the, the, the normal school stuff. So we, we just like sitting together while I, I, I just throw the Baltimore Catechism up on the TV and, you know, read through it with them and have any of them ask whatever questions they want. And it's actually good for my wife too, because she's a convert. It's been five, six years now, but you know she's still learning too.
Speaker 3:So just things like that, just anything faith adjacent. So so, just just things like that, just anything faith adjacent. It doesn't have to be, you know, a set novena or set a devotion, it can just be talking about the faith. You know telling stories about the faith, I'll tell. I'll tell the kids what growing up was like for me. You know what? What I did as a kid, how my favorite memories are saying the rosary with my grandma and grandpa, camping and stuff. So it's just sharing little stuff like that as a family together.
Speaker 1:Make a big deal of like St Nicholas Day, make a big deal out of like the little traditions that they used to do, that we missed out on growing up and like you know your average, you know regular Catholic family. Like there's little things like we made such a big deal out of, like putting slippers outside the door for St Nicholas day and stuffing them and things like that.
Speaker 3:And um, I found that, uh, fish eaterscom is a great resource for all for little traditions like that that they've done in the past, that that were lost even before you know we we grew up. Um, you can, you know, whatever feast day it is, you just throw that in the search engine on there and it will give you songs you can sing with your kids for that feast, recipes your, your wife can make for the dinner for, like, say, march and miss or or stuff like that. So there's lots of cool things you can do.
Speaker 4:Yeah, my wife's are all into that like liturgical living, and so that's really cool. Um, I also wanted to ask you guys if you guys would come to california.
Speaker 4:I don't know if it's like a forbidden, you know, because, um, I'm with the men's group, um, I guess, I guess I'll just say I'm with the brotherhood of saint dismas, brotherhood, penitence of saint dismas. Um, we uh, have our group in holiness, but in holiness in long beach. So if anybody's out there who wants to attend, but, um, it's just a man's group, we follow real life.
Speaker 1:And I was talking to the other guys and they were saying, oh yeah, I listened to avoiding babble, and I was like, oh wow, so okay, so we have this in common and so I don't know if you guys would be willing well, you know what, maybe rob, maybe rob and I will put together like some kind of price packaging, like if guys have a men's group and they wanted to like I don't know where I mean, if you're in california, you guys don't have to pay for our travel, pay for our airfare, and then maybe we'll come up with like a, a fee that you know makes it worth us, you know, abandoning our families for a day or two or something. We'll have to, we'll have to figure that out. There's going to be some things that we're going to be announcing soon that might free us up to do some stuff like that so maybe we'll be able to pull some stuff like that off.
Speaker 1:We're gonna like kind of move through these quick to get to everybody. Those are really good questions, david. Very nice to meet you, brother.
Speaker 3:Yeah thank you man.
Speaker 1:Um, all right, who we got next? Ordo catholic, you are on avoiding babylon. What can we do?
Speaker 20:yo, yes, what's up man I got. First of all I have to give a quick shout out to my boy, evan. He put me on you guys like a year ago.
Speaker 20:All right here from Tim Gordon. You know, just eating, actually eating dinner with my wife that she just made. I know we were talking about homeschooling earlier. We were both teachers. I retired her Tim Gordon mode, you know, couldn't let her do that anymore. Very good, homeschool your kids, okay, yeah. Well, don't, uh, don't send your kids these public schools. Also, I'm in law school right now. I'm studying, you know, immigration lawyer. Maybe send them back? I don't know. We've got to determine. Um, my question here is right, oh, real quick. Shout out to the ordinary as well. Love the ordinary chair, saint peter. Love the spx too. You know, I just gotta plug him, okay. Um, I'm in a lovely group of friends here. Okay, we're talking about top five non-bible saints. So, like, not the apostles, not mary one of my boys pulled up saint john paul ii.
Speaker 20:okay, I Okay, I need a list from you guys. That's my question. What's your top five?
Speaker 1:Ooh, top five saints outside of scripture. I mean I would probably go Augustine, I would definitely go Pope, st Gregory the Great, I would say, see, like we were talking earlier, like I think Catherine Aragon should be a saint Because what she did, what she endured under Henry VIII was heroic and especially in modern times I think she should be a saint.
Speaker 20:So she's one of my favorites what was that? Are you ordinary at pill?
Speaker 1:that's what that sounded like no, no, no, I just I what what? What catherine endured under henry the eighth and still stayed faithful to the church and to her marriage throughout all of it. I just think that that is incredibly virtuous and I think that there should be a cult around her. Who else I mean? St Padre Pio is by far one of my favorites, and then I would say St Therese the Little Flower. She got me through a very difficult time in my life during work when I basically lost a lot of prestige at my job and I had to actually go in as I went from being like the one of the head supervisors at my company to just being a laborer and I had to make every act of. It was basically like everything I did at work was an act of humiliation that I just offered to God, and it got me through a really difficult time at work.
Speaker 20:That's a great list. I'm surprised with no St Francis, but that is a fantastic list.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you know what St. Francis too. Man Like the real St Francis, not the hippie St Francis. Yeah, I should have said him too.
Speaker 3:For me it would be a.
Speaker 20:St Tarsisius, st Augustine, st Ambrose and St Philomena.
Speaker 3:Rob, who's the patron saint of guns? Oh, it's. Oh, there is a patron saint of gun fighters St Louis the 9th. St Louis the 9th is a good one. Let me look them up real quick. There is one Patron saint of guns.
Speaker 1:We got some funny comments in the chat here yeah and then I'll.
Speaker 20:I'll leave you guys alone. Why not saint pope john paul ii the great?
Speaker 1:oh, I, I mean I'll, I'll be honest. I I loved john paul ii. Um, I really did. I loved John Paul II my whole life and it wasn't until a few years ago when I started really understanding a lot of the damage he did. But for somebody growing up in that era, he was a very powerful figure in my life and especially in my conversion. So I probably wouldn't have taken issue with the title St John Paul the Great until the past seven or eight years or so, until I started seeing all the people he elevated and you know, I mean he gave us McCarrick, he gave us Pope Francis, he gave. I mean there's so many things that he is and the Assisi meetings are something that I just you just can't overlook. Those and the abuse crisis happened under his watch.
Speaker 1:So those would be my biggest difficulties with him. But I mean he was a role model to Catholics for those who wanted to go out and proclaim the faith. I mean there's a whole generation of people that you call JP2 Catholics, so you know.
Speaker 3:You know popes are um, they're a little different. Right, because you know you could have someone who say you know was a martyr, died for the faith or lived a very clear, you know, clearly holy private life and died and in I still think we should wait to name them saints. But naming them a saint like martyr a few years after their death okay, I don't have a real problem with it. But a pope, it takes a century or two to really understand the impact that they really had on the church and I think you really need to take that into account before you can claim a pope to be a saint.
Speaker 20:Yeah, I completely agree. I just thought I love St paul ii, but top five just absolutely blew my mind. That's um, that's some.
Speaker 3:No, no brain, the galaxy brain, yeah, yeah he shouldn't be anybody's top five that's for sure, I mean you could name five of the fathers, any five of the fathers yeah that's what I'm saying, augustine, I mean, come on man oh no, all right.
Speaker 1:So all right, let's all right, we're gonna move on. Auto catholic I'm sorry man, we do have to keep it moving. But there is st anthony abadi is st anthony of the desert and he is the father of western monasticism.
Speaker 3:So yeah, st anthony abadi is actually probably uh no, he's the father of eastern monasticism, the father of western, to st bernard of cloveau yes, you're right, no not not bernard of claveau no, I don't know, but saint benedict is the father, yeah well, have a good night uh, yeah, you too, thank you go converts okay, I'm, I'm going in line, just so everyone knows yeah, just in order. Whatever order you got in I'm not picking anyone, or not picking people, um, dear gray. Uh, you don't have a mic.
Speaker 24:Okay, here we go hello, hey guys, my name is charbie. Uh, live in charlotte. First time I was introduced to you guys well, heard of you guys really was during the men's conference at st thomas aquinas in charl.
Speaker 1:Get out of here.
Speaker 24:That's awesome, I was like, oh boy, I think it'd be an awesome closer. But instead we got the nice gentleman from Tam Books Love his talk as well. But I was like man, did it avoid any Babylon to touch us? But I didn't really start watching your videos until a few months ago. So I've always wondered you know what kind of happened there, because I met Christian Wagner there. I I've always wondered you know what kind of happened there.
Speaker 1:Because I met Christian Wagner. There. I met a few other people.
Speaker 3:This is a good question.
Speaker 1:What's funny is we kind of just made peace with the cause behind it all? That is a very good question. So we were asked to speak at that conference and I had a bit of a falling out with a gentleman named Jim over my objection to the idea of mutual submission, because I am very, I very firmly believe that the husband is not just the head of the home, but he's also the spiritual head of the home, like your wife is your spiritual child. And that got into a very big mess. And then he wound up digging up all of my tweets that had to do with you know, maybe they were misogynistic towards women and maybe they were a little bit sarcastic about the people of the old covenant, and he sent them to the bishop down there and there was enough pressure put on them that they asked Rob and I to step down. But we were still invited, we were still paid to go down there.
Speaker 1:So all the people that were coming to see us we told them, look, we're going to do an after, an after event, and and we wound up just hanging out with everybody. You should have come to the hotel. We hung out all night that night and got to meet all the people that came down to see us at the talk. Um, hopefully the next talk we go to will not be a diocesan-sponsored event, because we learned our lesson with that. We will never speak at another diocesan, official diocese event, because it's just, they're too easily frazzled and they cancel too quickly. So we're going to try and set something else up for the future. We're very glad that you got introduced to us and found our channel, man.
Speaker 24:One more thing before I go. It's so funny you mentioned mutual submission because I'm a convert like the last guy and I remember one of the first masses I went to after I converted. The mass reading was wives, obey her husbands. Husbands, love your wife as Christ loved the church. And when the priest read well, when the deacon read, why be submissive to your husbands? You could just see like half the women in my Novus Ordo parish like bristle and I'm just like it's all over. Why don't I enjoy this?
Speaker 3:And all the men probably put their heads down.
Speaker 1:I think the generation that quivers at that verse is starting to go away, and I think we're starting to see men realize that mutual submission just doesn't work. It's, you know, they've, we've. We've dealt with it for a few generations now, and I think that a lot of the, a lot of the younger couples and women seem to be embracing it too, which is my, which is what makes me hopeful. It's not just men lording their authority over their wives, it's women wanting a man to lead them and wanting a husband who's actually going to be the spiritual head of the home. And I think the only way we get to that is by making men men, you know, and and and making men someone that a woman wants to follow, because women are stubborn and they're difficult, and we have to work on that. So we need real men to beat the stubbornness out of these women, not physically just, you know.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's going to get clipped. Son of a.
Speaker 1:Charby, very happy you uh, you, you, you uh started watching the show. Man I I wish we would have known and we could uh actually met you when we were in north carolina.
Speaker 24:Hopefully we get another uh chance soon coming up to new jersey this weekend, so uh, well, you're in, I'm in new york, but yeah, and I and I got family stuff this weekend.
Speaker 1:We're gonna figure something out. I promise I was just talking family stuff this weekend we're going to figure something out. I promise I was just talking to Michael Hichborn today about trying to figure something out on the East Coast, so we'll put something together, man Cool Very nice meeting you. Thank you All right. Who we got next Rob?
Speaker 3:Hello.
Speaker 6:Can you hear?
Speaker 1:me, we can. Oh my goodness, another girl on the show. What?
Speaker 15:are we gonna do? I'm sorry I'm actually driving, but I had a few questions. Well, two really. Um, the first one is regarding the holy mother of god. So my understanding is those um individuals who are unbaptized are considered children of wrath, correct? They're not children of God. So I always had trouble understanding how the Blessed Virgin Mary was the mother of all humanity and not just the mother of baptized souls, and I was hoping that you guys could kind of clarify that a little. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I will put. I will look. I'm not a theologian, I'll give Rob a better crack at this, but I would put it in respect to how Christ is King of an. Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Christ is King. Mary's queenship is is derived from Christ's kingship. So and and.
Speaker 1:God is the God of all mankind, and God is the God of all mankind, and Mary is the queen of the universe, and we receive divine adoption at baptism. So yes, you're 100% correct. Not every person is a child of God. That is like a new thing that people say, but it's just not actually true In reality. Everyone is created in God's image and likeness, but only those who are baptized are children of God, because that is when we receive divine adoption.
Speaker 15:Okay, perfect. Thank you so much for that clarity. The second question I had, I think, was more secular. So I have watched some of the Marvel series and one of the series I did watch was Loki. My question is because he's a demon, pretty much, so I wanted to know if that presents an issue. I know Father Rippinger covered a lot of the Harry Potter series and how Catholics should not watch those sorts of things and I was curious if that kind of fell into it as well, like in terms of things that we shouldn't.
Speaker 3:I mean, I would say, well one, it's just bad TV.
Speaker 1:I like Loki. I thought Loki was good, I liked it.
Speaker 3:I would just suggest finding better TV, but I would say the show, the Marvel Universe or whatever it, doesn't present him as a god, right, they present him as just some sort of alien being on another plane that maybe humans treated as a god. So I don't know, don't have a a moral objection to that part of it. I, I don't know, I just wouldn't watch it no, I thought, I thought loki was fine.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we had. We had father uh isaac on my. I had father isaac at my house and I was doing an interview with father is father Isaac and somebody pointed out that in the background behind father Isaac was my uh, my series set of the Harry Potter books.
Speaker 1:I had uh the the Harry Potter book series in the background of father Ripper I mean, I'm father Isaac, who has railed against the harry potter series, so I'm probably not the best person to ask this question too, because I actually did, uh, read the harry potter books with my kids when they were little. I thought I it was. It was before like I ever actually started thinking deeply about this stuff and I just thought it was a good way to get their imaginations going. I also read, read Lord of the Rings parts of the Hobbit with them, not Lord of the Rings, don't compare the two.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying that's where I was with them when they were little, so, but yeah, I'm probably the wrong person to ask on that, kelly, to be honest, Thank you.
Speaker 15:And then the last question. I wanted to know if you guys were going to cover a lot of the, I guess, um, a lot of the I guess the leak audio that came from lepanto institute regarding the priests, um. Is that something that you guys are going to cover in another?
Speaker 1:broadcast. We have michael hitchborn on thursday night. Okay, thursday night michael hitchborn will be on. We will be covering that, and then we'll also have michael on just to discuss some some. I just love getting michael on. He's just such a, such a fun guest to have on. But yes, we'll definitely be discussing that okay, thank you so much, and thank you for um taking my call bye anytime, all right, here we go next round you're ready for the next one, let's go all righty I love it the guy you hate to love.
Speaker 10:You love to hate. I hope, yes, by. Uh, flying monkeys are like you got to get out of there. I'm like all right, let me give it a try. My hat's off to you guys, though Making a YouTube channel is tough. People say, oh, you're just wimpy, you got to get a real job. Go ahead and try it. Anyway, I've made a few videos because I'm a loud mouth and I got a lot to say. But my I guess that mutual submission you were talking about it's rooted in NFP. Has that ever occurred to you? Have you ever thought about that?
Speaker 1:Absolutely. I don't think we disagree on NFP. I think NFP is basically it's a Catholic excuse for birth control in 90% of cases.
Speaker 10:So Well, it changes the entire law of marriage. Is what I've figured out. It's not even 90%. You have created a new natural purpose for the Conjugal Act, aka unity. The unitive way won't tell you what unitive is, so that's kind of what I wanted to ask you guys is does the is the conjugal act? Do you consider it? Does it need?
Speaker 1:to be unitive, and what does that mean? I would say it doesn't need to be, because I think for all of human history you'd have women, would you know? I, I, but I don't know what, the word, I don't know, because that's probably a new way. I've really never thought about it that deeply, but I do think that there is, uh, a natural element to, to to the conjugal act that does bring the spouses closer yeah, I would say, when done properly it's.
Speaker 10:It is just unitive by its nature just yeah I don't think it's super as it's creative by by its nature right, I I just made a video about lila rose because she's I called her the uh nfp, uh, uh, dominatrix, because she's saying that it's all it's about love, not procreation. That's where the the nfp comes in. So, in fact, you no longer have the right to the debt because the right to quote unity trumps your right to the debt, and that's kind of what I'm trying to get out there. Yeah, so, it's, so, it's and it's all. The JP to ism, the personalistic norm, is the new legal basis, so you can have all the marital. Yeah, so, so this is marriage law, ok, and they've taken. They've taken, taken theology and turned it into nature. And this is why I'm saying that unless NFP be declared intrinsically evil, you cannot restore marriage.
Speaker 1:You cannot restore marriage. This is a deeper subject, so it's not something that we can answer quickly like this.
Speaker 10:Totally got it. Yeah, I got it. Yeah, I got it, I got it.
Speaker 1:It's actually an interesting thesis that you think it needs to be declared intrinsically evil. So we'll, maybe, maybe we'll get you on, maybe we'll get, maybe we'll dig into that a little bit, cause that's an interesting.
Speaker 10:Yeah, when the time is right, that's cool comment it's making a youtube channel is not.
Speaker 3:It's not easy at all it's a lot of work, yeah yeah, yeah, more power guys.
Speaker 1:All right, cheers, god bless, thank you sure, yeah, just a word on that for a second. Um it is. It is difficult to make a youtube channel because you can't just um. It's not easy to come up with things that like this show tonight is I wanted to do something different.
Speaker 3:Right, I got you get so he stole the idea from Keith well, I stole the idea from a lot of different areas.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying it's original. It's from a desire to do something different and unique and I figured hey, what like? Like, I'm sure a lot of people would love that watch our show regularly, would love to just jump on and talk to us for two seconds or just get to hang with their, because we, you guys, know us, because you watch us talk twice a week like this. But we don't know you guys. So it's a cool opportunity for you guys to jump on.
Speaker 3:I mean, most of you have literally watched three well, not literally watched three of my kids be born, but you've been around for three, around for three, the births of three of rob's children.
Speaker 1:So yeah, all right, let's, let's get the next one on, let's see and then we're gonna we're gonna get feedback after the show and see what you guys thought of this and we'll I mean, I don't we're not gonna do it every episode, but I think this is a cool thing to do monthly and we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 3:So those asking how you call in. We are still. We haven't even gotten through only locals and YouTube members yet.
Speaker 1:Right, but we will stay on long, so it's not going to be like we're not going to jump to locals today. I think we'll just stay on here and we will give YouTube a chance to jump on. We're almost through the locals members.
Speaker 14:Anthony we're getting a lot of feedback dude.
Speaker 5:Oh we're getting a lot of feedback dude.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know if you're there, man Anthony in the five Sicilies.
Speaker 1:You there. I'm going to put him on hold and let's go to Sebastian.
Speaker 3:Anthony, I'm going to put you on hold. I'm going to leave you in there, but hold on. He just muted and unmuted. Are you there now?
Speaker 26:No, his mic's not working. All right, let's go not working, I'll leave him there.
Speaker 3:Sebastian hello.
Speaker 1:Oh no, we got guys on the floor, so let's go. Oh, Anthony's favorite.
Speaker 17:I always try to catch you guys while I'm here working because you guys stream while I'm on my shift. But first of all I want to just say God bless you, rob. I'm hoping your wife's doing well, your new baby. Congratulations on that.
Speaker 1:Thank you, baby Sebastian, by the way. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 17:Yeah. So based on my question for you guys obviously I hear you guys talk about it a lot. We're blessed. I'm here in the Phoenix area where we've got an SSPS chapel here with a school, so if anything, I will just put my kids through that when the time comes, like my only daughter is only seven months old right now. But I've also thought about homeschooling. My thing with you guys is just with your guys's experience in it, what are resources or just how to get into it? Like how would you actually advise somebody get into homeschooling and what that process looks like?
Speaker 3:I would say, um, I mean first first find, find someone you know that that is doing it or has done it um, just to get get an idea. But the nice thing about homeschooling and also one of the more difficult aspects is is just how personalized it just is, by nature, right. Um, so, like for we. We started last year with my oldest. We did kindergarten, yeah, kindergarten. Um. So I just did a lot of research online. What sort of curriculums were out there? Um, you know, there are people who build their own, who take bits of from many different sources and just build their own, and maybe we'll do that in the future once we get more of a hang of it.
Speaker 3:But I had done some accounting work for a Catholic private school slash homeschool cooperative, so I knew of the curriculum they use and it was a classical sort of curriculum. So I just ordered the kindergarten curriculum for that. We looked through it, my wife and I looked through it, figured that we did like it, at least for kindergarten, and used that, and then we didn't use the religion part of it. I just did stuff from the Baltimore catechism for that. Um, so it's just a matter of trial and error figuring out what works for for you know, you or your wife, whoever's teaching, but also whatever works for that child. And you know, like, like we're realizing that what we did for our oldest is is going to be different for our next kid in line, because they're just very different kids and they have different strengths, weaknesses and things like that. So it's just a matter of trial and error and just know that whatever you do, man, it's going to be better than public school.
Speaker 1:And there's also a lot of you said the co-ops. The co-ops are a lot different now than they were like. It's not like when, like it was years ago, where you're what you were just leaving your wife to wing it, you really they have. They have co-ops where you work together, you develop a curriculum together. Sometimes they're they're through a parish and you could do it that way, like the the local.
Speaker 3:If you're in a decent sized city, you'll be, yeah, you'll. You'll find at least a few of those. Um, we're out in the, out on the stick, so we really don't have that. But uh, but yeah there's, there's a lot of support out there this is an absurd, absurd question.
Speaker 1:No, of course not. What do you mean? Yeah, everybody, not everybody's fertile. You guys are all silly, the things you ask. Yeah, alright, anything else, sebastian?
Speaker 17:no, that's it. I appreciate you guys, man, you guys stay safe, alright, thank you so much hey, real quick.
Speaker 3:Your department doesn't issue the P320, does it? No, it does not okay, I won't have to pray extra for you, then I'll still take him, though. Okay, we'll do. Thanks, man, all right. Okay, I'm going to go back to Anthony of the Five Sicilies, just to see here.
Speaker 1:Let's see if his audio is working. Hello.
Speaker 4:How are we doing?
Speaker 1:Oh, we got you, brother, what's happening.
Speaker 2:Well, a couple of thoughts for that last guy. Timothy Gordon is advertising a homeschool class on his locals. That might really be worth picking up.
Speaker 5:I think you'll have some good stuff there.
Speaker 2:Well, I had a couple of things to go over, you know, quick things. In the spirit of the show, I wanted to ask a question about mothers and newborn babies. I hear that babies are so innocent and ignorant that they don't even know that they're separate to their own mother and that, just you know, putting a baby in the mother's arms will completely stop them from crying In your experience?
Speaker 1:is that at all true If they're traditional babies and they go to the latin mass? But if they're novasorto babies, they're awful and no amount of latching to their mother will cease their crying no no, I'm obviously kidding. I don't, I don't know. I think babies are uh each one is different, I would imagine.
Speaker 3:I mean they? I don't know all the science behind it there's, there's a lot of it, but yeah, apparently, like up until like six to eight months, they and I don't know how they know this. I don't think they really can know this. I think they're guessing. But they say that they don't recognize their mother as being a separate being from themselves until six to eight months.
Speaker 1:This sounds like women who want to co-sleep that this is propaganda to convince their husbands, All I know for sure is, they definitely recognize that dad is a separate being right away.
Speaker 3:It's not until like eight months, when they're like yeah you're okay.
Speaker 2:It's quite interesting. What's your favorite title of the Virgin Mary for both of you?
Speaker 1:Oh, that's a good question.
Speaker 3:Our Lady of Victory, for for sure.
Speaker 1:Oh man, I love Our Lady Queen of Heaven. That's a good one. I just love Our Lady Queen of Heaven. So, but that is a good question. You know what, if I thought about that a little more, I might have a different answer. I'll think a little deeper about that one. I might post that a little bit later. Anything else, Ian?
Speaker 2:Well, my reason for my favorite title is Our Lady of Sorrowful Mysteries, because Ripper Griswold said she'll give you whatever you want. It sounds like a pretty good deal to me. Yeah, oh, and the name is a strong reference.
Speaker 1:I have a sister who has a very deep devotion to Our Lady of Sorrows. Well, that's all folks. Very nice meeting you, man. Okay, tim, tim is next.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 1:Hello, hello, hey Tim.
Speaker 5:Hey, so I've got kind of an interesting question for you guys. I have a friend of mine who is a recent convert and he also recently became red pilled. If you know what that means, if you know what that's about. Yeah, for sure. And I just recently found out that he's been asking for a certain historical dictators intercession.
Speaker 3:Mussolini's.
Speaker 5:I wish it was that one.
Speaker 3:That one I could almost understand, yeah.
Speaker 5:Well, that one too, but it's been the other guy. I think you know who I'm talking about. How do I get him to stop doing this sort of thing? Oof, is he Catholic? Yeah, he's a recent convert.
Speaker 3:Hold on, let me look up the.
Speaker 5:But he's convinced that this individual is a saint.
Speaker 3:I would have him read the encyclical Mitt Brennender. I can't pronounce German Mitt Brennender. I can't pronounce German Mitt Brennender. Sorge, it's an encyclical by Pius XI against the Nazi party. Specifically, I found that those who support Mustache man tend to find ways to claim that it's not really a condemnation of the nazi party.
Speaker 1:But it is look there's, look there's. It's one thing to have criticism of. I mean we are very vocal about our criticism of jews, but I think that it is upon probably a better way to say that yeah, no, but I mean we are, we're very critical of yeah, I can't stand them yeah, I'm not. This isn't about that. This is this. But this is about um like. You shouldn't be asking for the intercession of anyone who hasn't exemplified like extraordinary holiness. It's just as simple as that yeah, I always tell him.
Speaker 5:I always tell him it's just like you know, he wasn't leading a Catholic life you know, Believe it or not, whether or not he killed himself and all that you know it's like he had a longtime girlfriend that he probably was, you know, had a physical relationship with and that's enough to believe that he's not in heaven.
Speaker 3:That's enough to believe that he's not in heaven.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now listen, my wife's mother's maiden name is Bron. Eva Bron's probably related to her, so this is no hatred towards the Germans. I'm saying we really should not glorify anyone who didn't show an exemplary life of holiness. Look, this is our criticism of even some of the newer saints that the church is elevating didn't show an exemplary life of holiness right.
Speaker 1:Look, this is our criticism of even some of the newer saints that the church is elevating. It's that. Did they really have this extraordinary, virtuous life that we should all emulate? There's nothing in the life of Hitler that any of us should be emulating.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, yeah, I criticize. What's his name? Carlo Acutis, right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, acutis, but I think he was probably way more holy than hitler, you know I mean so, yeah, I, I think, I think, um, I man, this, this is a danger and a lot of the crap we see online, you know. But I mean, if you're, if your friend is serious about taking his faith seriously, you know this. It's one thing to understand the historical context of that event and to take it into into serious thought and understand.
Speaker 3:I would say. I would say if, if he is idolizing hitler because of you, know certain things he did against the jew, tell him to look into the life of Queen Isabella of Spain. You know you're talking about a person who also fought against you, know what she saw as the evils of the Jews, but who lived a very Catholic life and led her, instead of leading her country, to ruin.
Speaker 5:Let it yeah, or even Franco or something. Yeah, or Franco, but I mean, there's far more.
Speaker 3:There's people instead of leading her country to ruin, let it yeah, or even franco, or something, or yeah, or, or franco, or but. But I mean there's, there's far more. There's people, people out there who are far more worthy of admiration than the natal hitler yeah, that's all that's.
Speaker 1:That's how I would leave it. Yeah, and it's. You know, it's a red pill. Yeah, I think, um, I think it's important that we actually do have a clear understanding of what the red pill is is putting forth. It's it's feminism for the male, it's the male version of feminism. It it's it's it's antidotes. Like it has a proper prescription of the problem, not a prescription as a proper diagnosis of the problem, but its prescription is horrific. It's just, it's garbage. Like it's no different than feminism. Like, honestly, the proper antidote to it is Christian patriarchy. It just is.
Speaker 3:I mean very, very similar to Nazism itself. They diagnosed the problem pretty correctly and I'm not even talking necessarily about Jews there, just about the degeneracy of the Bible Republic. But their, their solution led their country to absolute ruin.
Speaker 1:So yeah, so all right, Anything else Tim?
Speaker 5:Yeah, I guess I had just one more question. So I've got another friend who thinks that the Holy spirit well, I, I understand that the Holy Spirit, like in the Bible it says that it appeared like a dove, you know, descended like a dove. I have another friend that believes that the Holy Spirit is like, basically like a dove incarnate, if that makes sense, and uh, like I understand why, why he believes it. But I was just wondering if you had any, had any advice on how to deal with that one man, this is like.
Speaker 1:This is like getting into the jay dyer, tim gordon, stuff, right. It's like it's like um no, the a dove is not an incarnation of the holy spirit. That is not what happened there. It's like no, a dove is not an incarnation of the Holy Spirit. That is not what happened there. It's kind of like saying the Holy Spirit descended like tongues of fire on the apostles in the upper room. It's not an incarnation of the Holy Spirit. I would think that that's I don't know how literal that language is I would want to have somebody that's way more qualified than Rob or I, to be honest.
Speaker 3:I don't know what the Greek says, for instance, but does it mean as a dove, like literally, physically as a dove, or as a dove as in figurative sort of language? I really don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't think Rob and I are the right two to ask that question too, but I'm not saying there's not a correct answer to it. I just don't know if we're qualified to answer it.
Speaker 5:Gotcha.
Speaker 1:All right, thanks, fellas. Yeah, maybe Sam Shamoon Call it the Sam Shamoon show. With that one He'd be a little better than us. All right, nice meeting you, tim, who we got.
Speaker 3:Dear Jeeves, Mike and and camera aren't working.
Speaker 1:Oh Deirdre, your mic and camera aren't working. I can't believe how many women watch our show. This is unbelievable. Oh, never mind, never mind. Here we go, not Ethan? What's happening, brother?
Speaker 26:Hey, how's it going? Nice to talk to you guys. Yeah, what's up.
Speaker 26:So first I'm going to be here to defend convert supremacy, but I got a question, so I'm I'm in a men's group, right, and yesterday morning we meet and we have this long debate about communion in the hand and, like you just get back to this question of I also mentioned that I went to Latin mass on Sunday which didn't go over well with one of the guys and they defended, like our Bishop doesn't support this because I'm Archbishop of Detroit. Archbishop of Detroit, Like you read yourself into the Catholic church, Like one of the big things is apostolic possession and you get to the question of how many of the bishops even believe, like what people like I that read ourselves into the church believe and like what do you even do with that? You know what I mean, Cause it's like they're kind of right, Like this bishop hates tradition, what you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:What do bishop hates tradition? What you know, I mean. What do you even say to that? I actually think the converts that that came in over the last two, two decades or so and their love for the faith and their desire to actually see it lived out, because they they, they had such a deep fervor for christ before they come into the church and then when they do come into the church and then when they do come into the church, they see this kind of this lukewarmness around them and their desire to see the faith lit on fire is part of the drive that's sending people to the Latin mass. It's a lot of converts at the TLM. This is not a, this is not a convert verse, cradle Catholic thing. I do think the converts are actually part of the reason there is so much fervor around the Latin mass, because they were on a search for apostolic Christianity and then they get here and they kind of find a Protestant version of Christianity and they're like this isn't what I read about. I want the version I read about in the Fathers. So they do Look, use Cracker Barrel as a perfect example.
Speaker 1:I know this sounds crazy, but they, the public pressure campaigns, work Right and I think there's a lesson for the archdiocese, the parishioners in the archdiocese of Detroit, in what happened with Cracker Barrel, this bishop. He seems very intent and settled on his decision to remove all the rails and to get rid of the Latin mass. But I do think public pressure has a place and it does work. It just it needs to be done prayerfully, it needs to be done properly and, and I think, it needs to be organized. I think that the Archdiocese of Detroit, all the faithful Catholics of the Archdiocese, really do need to figure out some organization and you guys need to get on your knees and start praying your hearts out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I would just say like, of the 12 men chosen by the God man to lead his church, one of them was Judas, I mean. So we have to expect that of the successors to the apostles chosen by very fallible men in the papacy, way more than one-twelfth of them are going to be. Judas' too. And if that didn't shake the faith of the, the apostles, as they went and spread the, spread the, you know, the gospel around the world, then we can't really let it shake our faith either.
Speaker 1:That's a good point, the, the, the bishops have financial responsibilities to guys. So don't? You know, I'm just. I know it's a silly analogy, but I don't think it's that silly. I think that even the public pressure campaign that came down on Charlotte made the bishop of Charlotte hold off on some of his things. You know, now, granted, the bishop in Detroit seems a little more stubborn than him, but you know, prayer goes a long way and fasting goes a long way too.
Speaker 26:So yeah, I will say I'm just joking about the cradle or the conference supremacy. My wife is a cradle catholic and, uh, it took me being married to her for, you know, 11 years to join the church. Um, and then just one other closing thought I'll say I'm like a pretty big anthony cumia fan back in the day and I listen to, I'll say, dave smith's other podcast a lot. So, uh, this is a much better religious show to listen to. So love it and keep up the good work. I'll tell you this I?
Speaker 1:I would not. This show wouldn't exist without anthony cumia. Yeah, like, I grew up listening to opie and anthony and it made me want to do radio. Admit like that, this show. I didn't start the show because I wanted to be some great evangelist. I didn't start this this show because I thought I was going to come in and criticize the papacy. I started this show because I wanted to do radio. I just love the idea of doing radio and I like experimenting with new things. This show to me tonight is fun. It's just a different thing we're doing. So, yeah, shout out to Anthony Cumia. For those of you who don't know, he's a legend in New York radio.
Speaker 3:So he's who I have to blame.
Speaker 26:Yeah, I got into the show because it's a good alternative to the Degenerate Comedy Podcast. I was listening to it before.
Speaker 1:That's actually what it is right. You'll never hear Blast from me on our show. We talk about subjects a little bit deeper. It's for the guys who actually do like Joe Rogan, but they're tired of hearing him take the Lord's name in vain. They're tired of hearing him talk about weed.
Speaker 3:Yeah you can only hear about DMT so many times.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dmt trips and stuff like that. It's for guys that actually do just want to hear a guy's podcast, and a lot of women listen too. I'm actually really surprised that a lot of women do like our show Cool.
Speaker 26:That's all I got. Nice meeting you Ethan, Not Ethan.
Speaker 3:Not Ethan, sorry, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1:Alex Malone. Right oh, cardinal Limberito. You have no authority. Dude, you were my favorite one, you know that, right? Oh, of course. You were my favorite one and then you stopped coming in the chat. I was heartbroken when you left.
Speaker 12:No, so I wasn't really trying to issue a boycott of your chat. It's just once I became a TV star, I signed a contract. I spent a lot of time on that show. No, I do have a question, though. Why do they in Detroit and Charlotte, like, why do they let them take the Latin mass away? Like, why do the people let that happen?
Speaker 1:right, the priests that are not willing to lay down their life for what? For for the mass? I think there's an element of that, um, and I think that there's, there's. Look it's, it's. It is a difficult question when does obedience end? Like it's not a simple question and I know, I know you and I will disagree on on the, on the specifics of that, which I'm going to wind up getting into on Friday with Nova Sorta Watch. But like I don't think it's out of cowardice, I do think it's out of a desire for people to want to be faithful. So I think it's a trickier question than some people think it is. That's all I would say.
Speaker 3:I think a lot of it here, at least in America, has to do kind of with just this tendency that we as Catholics in America have always had to go along to get along right, like we've had to kind of lay down and let people run over us just to make it. As Catholics in America, you know we couldn't hold offices, you know we couldn't even be citizens for for a while, like um. So I I think a lot of it is just we as american catholics are just so used to just not rocking the boat, and I think that that applies to stuff like this too, because because I mean, you hear stories about over in europe when they try to take a tl out like a tlm church away, like they'll literally sit in that church for weeks until whoever's trying to take it away just gives up and yeah, that's what I'm just rolling yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, that's sad. I think we lack organization and I think that anytime somebody does try to put up any kind of resistance, they get accused of being a schismatic. I mean, look at dude, you get the accusations of schismatic are just thrown around at people and it's like, dude, like what are you even saying?
Speaker 3:you have taylor marshall on and you say, we're gonna give, we're gonna give pope leo a chance.
Speaker 1:And man, suddenly you're a protestant it's like the accusations of schismatic and heretic from the lady towards each other are really out of hand. So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 12:We got 20 years to go because you guys were only around for like three years before this conclave. So you guys got 20 years to get with all the Catholic influencers and put up a candidate. You know, rig the election.
Speaker 1:I'm going to be under your authority, Cardinal. That's true Just as long as the candidate isn't Anthony Obama. I'm going to fall into your jurisdiction, so I'm not worried. Traditionalists are just a small percentage.
Speaker 3:All right, bro, we'll talk on one day I'll get you guys who we got next rob uh, and all and all your mic and camera are working, so I can't throw you up there. So we have people.
Speaker 1:Monarchist okay, so for people hold on one sec, the people in the chat that are asking how do you call in? Like we really had to open it up to locals members and youtube members, essentially because those are the people that support us the most. So if we run out of those, we will open it up to the main youtube chat. If you want to have a chance, I like, I think youtube memberships only like three bucks and I think you know, I think some people, sometimes people like, buy free memberships and stuff.
Speaker 3:So if you see a free membership pop up, you could grab those if somebody and if you are a youtuber locals member and you didn't you joined late and didn't see I posted a, a community post for youtube members, and in the, in the live chat on locals, I posted the link. So those are the two places you can go to get the link.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right. People, monica is with people, monica's enjoyer. What is your question?
Speaker 19:Um, hi, hello, I didn't expect to make it on here. Um, yeah, big fan of the show you guys. Um, I'm fully big fan of the show you guys. I'm fully radicalized thanks to you guys. So thanks for that.
Speaker 1:Not even that radical dude Ready to go on?
Speaker 19:crusade when we get a more militant pope in office. My question is I'm a young guy, young professional, just got out of college, just starting out. I'm a young guy, young professional, just got out of college, just starting out. What's some advice from some of the guys a bit further ahead of me on, like you know, finding a good Catholic woman and settling down that kind of thing? I know I know Really really sensitive question to answer.
Speaker 1:Where do you? Live. Oh, you're going to love this Los Angeles.
Speaker 3:You live in LA. Yeah, that's actually not as bad as you would think for finding.
Speaker 1:I get to have uh, I get to have the cubist cathedral, but yeah, I, I mean I, I honestly, I a lot of guys think like you have to meet a girl in church or you have to. I I don't, I'm not, I'm not big on that, not not because I don't think it's a good thing to do, but I think any chance you get to talk to a girl, you got to kind of just throw a shot out there and take a crack at it. And if you meet a girl with the right temperament, I think that if she sees the kind of life you're leading, I think holiness is attractive and I think, like a man just being a man. One thing I'm going to tell you guys, especially you Catholic guys you don't, you don't you underestimate your worth, like you don't know how valuable what you have to offer actually is. You guys all underestimate how unbelievably valuable it is to be a man who actually wants to get married and have children and provide for a woman. There is not that many men who want to do that.
Speaker 1:Now if you can internalize that and turn that into confidence because you know what you actually do have to offer, the girls will come a lot easier to you guys, I think. I think a lot of guys are intimidated by girls. They're afraid to get shot down. But if you have the confidence to know, like I know, you're going to go and get one night standed by that clown over there. So do you want to have time? Like, do you want to have your time wasted? Go ahead, go waste your time. But if you want to actually meet somebody that's going to you know, give you a shot at a valid future, I'm the guy you want to talk to. Like you guys have to approach women with a confidence like that and I think you'll have a much better shot. And then if you meet a girl who who likes a guy, that comes with that approach, you're gonna you're gonna be in a good place yeah, anthony's right about the, the.
Speaker 3:you gotta find someone with the matching temperament and ultimately that's probably more important than than finding, you know, someone who is right away like a committed Catholic, because just because a woman is a committed Catholic, they may also be a feminist who will never really, you know, submit to you. But Anthony and I both found our wives like when we were not really practicing Catholics and because of the temperament compatibility when him and I both made the decision like, if you know, now is now is the time we are going to really start to live our faiths. Like like my wife felt, like she enthusiastically followed me into it and and does so to this day, where I think, if I, you know, went and found a woman at church, it's very likely I would have found an uber feminist.
Speaker 1:unfortunately, Rob and I both married non-Catholic girls. Yeah, like both of our wives were Protestant and they're both devout Catholics now and they love the faith, so I'm not going to say marry Like that was not intentional by the way, yeah, don't marry out of the church.
Speaker 1:I would not say marry a Protestant girl. I would not going to say marry, that was not intentional, by the way. Don't marry out of the church. I would not say marry a Protestant girl. I would not say marry a girl who does not have the faith. I would say don't be afraid to meet a girl that is not Catholic or something and make sure before you're married I would ensure conversion is going to happen. You guys are on the same page there. It just happened to work out properly for Rob and I.
Speaker 1:But I would not limit yourself to only traditional parishes to meet a girl. I would not limit yourself to only meeting a girl in adoration. Be open to meeting a girl anywhere and then start to talk about God and just see where they're at with God, you know, and try to find a girl with a little bit of depth. And if you can find a girl who thinks a little bit deeper about life and isn't just caught up in buying you know, whatever the Kardashians are wearing you're doing all right for yourself and that's at least a place where you could start to build from.
Speaker 3:If she was super excited about Taylor Swift getting engaged, drop it immediately, got it.
Speaker 19:Yeah, no, I appreciate all of that. So you're telling me if I attend a traditional Latin mass, then a trad woman won't just fall into my lap.
Speaker 1:No, I'm going to tell you, some of the trad women are the most feminist you'll find, by the way. I'm just going to be honest with you. Yeah, no, I found that out the right way. How much school debt you got? Zero, okay, dave Ramsey, I'm just asking man. Really, you guys are all coming out of college. Well, I made sure my children didn't get wrapped into school debt, that is the one thing, civil engineer, just started my first job and zero college debt.
Speaker 1:Dude, you have a lot to offer a girl. Do not underestimate what you have to offer a girl. And when you have a lot to offer a girl, Do not underestimate what you have to offer a girl. And when you meet a girl, come at her with that confidence, Say I'm a civil engineer Like I can provide a lifestyle for you. You want to go hang out with the bum that's selling bags of weed on the corner? Go ahead. I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 3:The guy over there is selling American flags right after 9-11.
Speaker 1:All right settle down. I appreciate that, gentlemen. I really appreciate the confidence. It was nice meeting you, brother. Yeah, thank you man. All right, who we got next? Alex Malone. Alex Malone, who we've met a few times, alex. What's happening brother. Yo, what's up, Good good.
Speaker 21:Yeah, just wanted to call in just to see how things are going.
Speaker 1:Wait, before anything, you are an enigma, alex, when I met Alex he told me he had never, ever had a fight with his wife. Is that still the case, years on in marriage?
Speaker 18:Well, I've been married three years and, yeah, I can't really say I've had like this, like a real battle. I mean, sometimes we have disagreements, but maybe it's just my wife's personality, but she's like very good with like getting along with what I want to do, so it kind of works out.
Speaker 1:He's not kidding. Alex is not putting on a front. Alex left his wife in philly at a hotel and drove to pennsylvania to come and hang out with us for a night and just left his wife at the hotel, so I'm gonna hang with the boys he tells us that we're like you did what, so alex is not putting on a no yeah no, yeah.
Speaker 18:So yeah, just glad I just want to, just want to check up with y'all and uh call in and, um, hey, yeah, when's uh, when's the next uh ab outing going to happen? I?
Speaker 1:gotta, I gotta make it out, because you came down to north carolina too, right? Yeah yeah, yeah, alex is.
Speaker 3:Alex is a soldier man there is going to kind of be one at sebastian's baptism I mean, if you haven't, if you guys want to meet in minneapolis, right I? Know a lot of the um the midwestern area folks and the telegram are might plan to show up.
Speaker 1:So yeah, but and then look rob's have rob just had a newborn, so we do have to let him get settled in a little bit. But once Hope gets a grip on things and she can handle, you know, when the baby needs 24-hour service, we'll try and plan something and we'll try and figure something out and we'll leave the wives at home and we'll get the boys together again.
Speaker 18:Awesome, awesome. All right, we're looking forward to it. One more thing, so um with um, just uh, when you had taylor marshall on um, you didn't didn't ask my super chat of when he'll be getting back with tnt oh, you know why?
Speaker 1:look it's. I honestly, I saw the. I'm just, I'm just I mean it's I.
Speaker 18:I don't, I don't want you, I don't want to burn any bridges, obviously that's what it is.
Speaker 1:I don't know if he would take it as a joke or if it's too sensitive of a subject. But, I'm not going to put him on the spot like that. Look, they have to work that out on their own. I'm not jumping in the middle of that. I would love to see a TNT reunion as much as anybody else, but that's on them yeah.
Speaker 18:Yeah, I totally get it. I was just kind of messing with you guys. But if you did ask, that would have been, you know, but it would have been interesting. But yeah, great, talk with you all again and hope to get together soon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see you soon, Alex man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, thanks, man, it's always good talking with you to get together soon.
Speaker 1:See you soon, Alex. I've met Alex twice in person now. Congrats, Rob, by the way, on the new baby.
Speaker 3:Thank you very much, man.
Speaker 1:We'll talk to you soon, Alex. Thank you, brother.
Speaker 3:Okay, anzaler, all good.
Speaker 1:There we go.
Speaker 6:Hi you guys.
Speaker 1:How do you pronounce this? My name is Anna, so Anzaler, that's Anna. Hi you guys. How do you pronounce this?
Speaker 6:My name is Anna, so Ann Zoller, that's my last name Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. Two questions First, one very serious, anthony I need recipes for dinner that my husband sprung on me. Give me your Nona's best Italian Rob. You can chime in in too, but if you say anything about hot dish, it's not gonna happen wow, honestly, anna, I'll put you in touch with my wife.
Speaker 1:I don't do the cooking at my home. My wife is a phenomenal cook, but if you want my wife will. My wife will hook you up. That woman can cook better than my own mother, which honestly I am just.
Speaker 6:He threw it on me. He's like sat Saturday, saturday evening, you have to have something. I'm like I have no idea. So second question, more serious I am homeschooling my children.
Speaker 6:I'm looking at curriculum and I actually started pre-reading a lot of stuff for high school. My kids are like eight year olds, so I'm prepping for high school. I'm sort of pre-reading one of the textbooks that they're going to be using and it's I think is it HC Roberts' History of the World. I might be wrong about the first name it's Roberts' History of the World. It's a fairly well-known history of the world and I'm about five chapters in and realizing that this man's whole perspective on history is completely skewed. He's obviously secular, um, it's, I think, supposed to be. It's.
Speaker 6:I'm using a catholic curriculum and I think he's being proposed as a secular source, as a sort of foil to the catholic view of history. Um, but some of the things that he's saying are just so perverted. Um, so he's obviously like, literally the first two or three chapters was just about evolution, like starting with the travel dates. Um, the first thing he brought up about um, sumer and their mythology was that, um, the christians eventually adopted um some of their gods and icons in order to understand Christ, like really horrific stuff. And I'm wondering how you two, rob, kind of in anticipation, and Anthony you're dealing with high schoolers right now, high schoolers right now how you have approached dealing with giving your children secular information so that they're aware of it, but also presenting the truth as we know it, as Catholics, to them. How have you encountered that problem?
Speaker 1:Oh, you want to go first, Rob.
Speaker 3:Well, I was just going to say like so my oldest, we just did kindergarten and so we we haven't experienced it a lot yet, but he's really into science, um, physics, astronomy, stuff like that.
Speaker 1:So dinosaurs is so hard michael hitchborn's a good one to ask about that, because michael hitchborn loved that. You want to know something. Did you ever watch our episode on the pre? Like the antediluvian world, the world before.
Speaker 6:I absolutely did. I was trying to get my husband to listen to it. He has not bought into it at all.
Speaker 1:I love Hitchborn. The evolution topic Logos Rising. The first few chapters of Logos Rising, michael E. Logos Rising the first few chapters of Logos Rising, michael E. Michael Jones's book will completely destroy anybody's notion of evolution because he just goes through how, how incoherent it is and how illogical it is that you know how and how could an eye develop, like, how can nature choose a gene? Like, if it's, if it's natural selection, how can nature select the gene? Like, if it's a brand, if it's natural selection, how can nature select a gene that does not exist yet it can't come from a single cell organism, the way they explain it. So that was the first crack in for me with evolution was reading emichael jones's book and then going uh into speaking with, um uh, hugh owens. So that that was, that was. That was what kind of dissuaded me of any of the ideas of evolution and then just seeing it as restored stuff.
Speaker 3:That, yeah, they've done yeah, I haven't looked.
Speaker 6:I looked at it. I haven't purchased it yet. I guess so is your approach then, anthony to present the truth first, is that what you would recommend? Present the truth first? Is that what you would recommend? Present the truth first and then introduce the secular ideas as a foil? I think that, again, I think that's what this curriculum is attempting to do with Roberts.
Speaker 1:So what I always especially with my older kids and my son specifically because he was so curious about it, I always like it was always like, okay, look, you're going to be presented with this. But I want you to critically think about this. And as I was reading Michael Jones's book, I was sharing those ideas with my son and kind of going through a lot of them and then, um and it's, you know, it's going to be very dependent on on each of your kids and how they, how they perceive knowledge. I think cause each kid is going to be different, but my, my son was always super inquisitive about it.
Speaker 1:My daughter just doesn't care, like she just doesn't care she's like she's like I don't care, like it just was never an interest of hers, but my son was super inquisitive about it. Um, with the history stuff, I'll tell you a really good secular book on christian history is tom holl Holland's book.
Speaker 3:First two or three chapters anyways.
Speaker 1:Well, I would say up to the Reformation was really good. Like if you read Tom Holland's book Dominion, it basically tells you the history of how Christianity spreads and then he has a very Protestant take on after the Reformation. But up to that point I thought it was really solid.
Speaker 6:I was actually looking oh, go ahead looking. Oh, go ahead, rob. No, no you go. I was gonna say um for christian history specifically, I found henry better, daniel ropes um, it's 10 volumes, it's like 10 000 pages. Um, his his 10 volumes on, uh, christian civilization is excellent. It's just it reads like a novel and it's just fascinating and it's written from a Catholic perspective. The problem is it is a bajillion pages long and I think that's that's the. That's the thing that I'm kind of running into is how much time do I spend teaching about secular history or do I just do?
Speaker 6:I just give them everything catholic and then they go out into the world completely ignorant.
Speaker 3:It's kind of where?
Speaker 6:where's the where's the balance? You know?
Speaker 3:for for me. So, like I was saying, like my, my oldest loves science you know, and he and he watches videos, secular videos on science, um, and what.
Speaker 3:what I try to do is just with all my kids, give them just this whole view of the world through the Catholic lens. Sure, see everything through salvation history, really. And then I think you can take some of these secular theories or findings, especially with physics and stuff like that, and I think it's rather easy to actually fit it into you know, a truly Catholic view of the world. You know, and if these you know to say to my six-year-old like you know this, whatever this theory in physics is or whatever they you know, whatever finding they just did in astronomy, do you really think that happened just due to random chance? Or does it make more sense that you know a God who has literally planned everything from from from before history ever began, planned for this and designed this and and you know I'm not talking about about intelligent design through evolution, that BS, but just in general. I think if you give them that good base, then you can be the one to address the secular things and have them look at that through a Catholic lens.
Speaker 6:I might relegate this Roberts book then to the trash heap. It's pretty bad. It's pretty bad.
Speaker 3:Have you ever looked into Christopher Dawson?
Speaker 6:I have not no.
Speaker 3:So he's, he's another, uh, really really good great Catholic historian. He was really the same area, the same not area the same um era as, uh, as as ROPS, ropes, whatever that is.
Speaker 6:Yeah, sure.
Speaker 3:I don't think he's quite as wordy and a lot of his work kind of has this Augustinian city of God or city of man sort of feel, where he he kind of walks you through all of history from that Augustinian perspective.
Speaker 6:I knew it was a good idea to tune in tonight. All right, you guys, I'm going to let you go, but you gave me some really good ideas. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Yeah, have a good night you too, Richie.
Speaker 1:Richie and Sam's up next, then we got Mr CL Lehman, and then I think we can open it up to YouTube. So, uh, all right what's up, rich?
Speaker 25:How much guys. What's going on with you?
Speaker 1:Not bad.
Speaker 25:Okay. So, rob, do you mind if I yell at Anthony for a quick moment? Oh no, no, no no, I'll mute myself trivia one time. You're like we're gonna open it up to twitter followers and it's gonna be great. I was the only one and the rest were like the youtuber, catholic people, and I was so mad, so mad. Oh you, you were on with us. Yeah, I was on that one.
Speaker 3:This is rich from canada.
Speaker 25:Okay, all right yeah okay, so so live it still mad to this day. No, I'm just kidding, it's fine, I just I just want to give you a hard time for that. No, my question for question for you, gentlemen, though, is I know, um Flanders has talked about it a little bit, but are you guys aware of the history of, like the Catholic Métis in Western Canada and like Louis Riel and everything? Have you heard about this?
Speaker 3:I've I've heard some of it mostly from, from Flanders, uh, but I don't know like specific names and individuals.
Speaker 25:Yeah, like I find so I'm, I'm in Saskatchewan and like I'm a German background. So, rob, you and I are probably related because most of my family actually came out of Minnesota. Okay, they're first generation Americans then came up, but anyways. So it's interesting because the last two wars fought in Canada in the late 1800s were Catholic Métis fighting Protestants that they brought over from Ontario, and it happened both in Winnipeg was the first one, and Louis Riel came back an hour north of where I live and I it's.
Speaker 25:It's a part of like Catholic history that like people don't recognize. Like I loved, when Cologne and Kennedy Hall did a, they did a thing on Catholic Canada, because like we hate the east, like out west, here it's like the south hates the north. It's the exact same thing. Loved, uh, when colomb and kennedy hall did a, they did a thing on catholic canada because, like we hate the east, like out west, here it's like the south hates the north. It's the exact same thing. You know, one day the west will rise again and we are going to become independent again. Just ask brian holdsworth, you know, him and I are on the same page, um, but like, yeah, like how catholic is your area that you live, rob, because you're in a german area, right uh?
Speaker 3:no, I'm so, I'm actually not. I don't live in a german area. Now, okay, the area I live in is largely either finnish or slovenian. Um, okay, the both the fins on the slovenians came over uh, here to to mine iron ore. Uh, most especially the slovenians, but uh, those, the slovenians, were actually very catholic, and one of the, the first priest in the area, was a slovenian missionary named father boo or ba. I think it's boo, but he's actually. He has a cause for canonization open right now. Um, and then you had like, uh, bishop baragaga also came to this area. He's another Slovenian missionary, more well-known in Michigan, but no, so the area in the past was very Catholic, but not so much anymore.
Speaker 1:My extent of Catholic, canadian, catholic knowledge is the movie the Robe, that's it.
Speaker 3:No, I confess that was in Montreal. Oh, I confess that's it. No, I confess that was in Montreal, oh, I confess that's right.
Speaker 1:People are asking about your door, Richie. They want to know if it's a portal to an Xbox game or something Okay.
Speaker 25:So, funny enough, when we bought this house, the whole bedroom was this color, so the bottom half was black and then the top half was the green. So this is currently in my office, but because we have too many children, I have to actually move my office into the garage and the garage.
Speaker 1:I think you love the canadian accent we also say mazda and lasagna.
Speaker 25:So please don't, please don't yell at me. Um, I actually lived in the states for two years, so I've heard all this before. Um, but no, uh, yeah, so the whole room was this color and so we're like, oh, we'll paint it white. I'm like, yeah, whatever, I don't care. And I'm like, but I'm keeping the door. The door will stay forever. So dude.
Speaker 1:yeah, do not watch the robe, guys. There's uh, there's like, uh, there's probably I don't know, it's been years since I saw it, but I'm sure there's bad stuff in it. But yeah, all right. So, richie, if you're near Banff, we're going to Banff in December. If you're out west in Canada, we're going to Banff in December. So, yeah, I'll try to get you those dates. I think Brian Holdsworth is going to pop in for a night, mike Pantile is going to pop in for a night and I'm heading over and over there with all the guys and girls that went to Italy for our pilgrimage. So we had such a good time together that we're going to head out there in December. So if you're free and you want to come pop in, feel free.
Speaker 25:I'll definitely pop in. It's a little closer than crashing the baptism. So you got anything else. No, that's it for me, thank you, just keep doing what you're doing. Congrats, rob, and hopefully we'll see you guys in December then.
Speaker 1:All right, thanks, rich. All right, who we got next?
Speaker 3:Is this, Mr Sam Rhodes? Hey? What's going on, gentlemen?
Speaker 1:Is this Sam Rhodes? Yeah, what's going on guys? Yeah.
Speaker 23:I can only talk to myself so much. What's up Sam? Hey, so much. What's up sam? Hey guys, I just want to jump on and tell y'all how much I appreciate you guys and everything y'all do. I've been listening for about maybe two years now and y'all been just a light of encouragement in this sea of sadness and modernism in the world so well thank you, no, I, I, I think, uh, I think it actually is.
Speaker 1:Like you know, people in the comments have called us like the, like the frat boys of Catholicism, and they don't like our show. Better than. The View. That is true. That's what really called you, whoopi Goldberg, yesterday.
Speaker 3:Better than Joy Bayar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I couldn't believe he said it. We appreciate all you guys that have stuck, especially you guys that have been around for a couple of years now. You guys helped us get this channel off and running. We appreciate you guys have been around for for a couple of years now, man, you guys, you guys. You guys helped us get this channel off and running.
Speaker 23:So we appreciate you guys. Good. Well, I'll leave you all with a question who would you rather have as your chaplain on a pilgrimage? Would you rather have father ripager take you to rome, or would you rather have father dave nix take you to the holy land?
Speaker 3:I'm gonna last time father nix went to the holy land.
Speaker 1:A war broke out, so yes, but I'll always choose father nicks, just because I I love that guy, I have a like he's a. Father nicks is my friend, you know, and when we got, when we went to pennsylvania together, that whole trip would have been so different without him. That man takes prayer very seriously. He spends, he praises his divine office every day and he turned what would have just been a boy's trip. He turned it into a real retreat and we got to celebrate mass every day and we pray the rosary together as men every day. And then we also got to do the things we would have done if we did not have a priest with us. But Father Nix is always going to be, you know.
Speaker 3:Father Nix does say and this is kind of a secret that Father ripperger has the best meme game out there. Oh yeah, that all father ripperger likes to do is send funny memes via text.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well now. Now I'm only going to say, if I knew father ripperger as well as I knew father nicks, I might feel different. But father nicks, you know, he's just, he's my boy.
Speaker 3:I would love, or do we want to tour Auschwitz with Father Maudsley?
Speaker 1:I'm going to probably choose that one. I've got to be honest. I'm going to do Auschwitz with. Maudsley is going to be the one I'll probably go, just because I think I'll learn the most.
Speaker 23:Rob, after you show me the information about Father Maudsley, I wonderender because they got Twitter burner account. He just like put spicy memes on on. He just trolls us all.
Speaker 3:You know, I don't think so, he loves it, but he likes to text them to friends. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:All right, it was nice meeting you, brother, yeah. Nice to see you guys.
Speaker 3:If you, uh, if you make it to the bat, if you can make it to the baptism let me know.
Speaker 23:I'll let you know when the date is, sam, okay, yeah. I'm kind of busy the next few weekends now, but just let me know, Okay, will do man Bye.
Speaker 1:Mr C Lehman Is that?
Speaker 10:his name.
Speaker 16:Mr C Lehman. Hey guys, not much Mega dittos to bring it back to old radio talk. Really appreciate you guys. Kind of hard to follow up Father Motley and the Auschwitz talk. I had a question in terms of within Catholicism, what would be your most liberal opinion Like do dogs go to heaven or is everybody going to be saved at the end? Like what would be your most liberal?
Speaker 3:my, mine's pretty easy. For me uh, I guess mine is, if any if. If not anything else, it's it's the hope that that unborn children go to heaven, and for me it's just because I've I have three that that didn't make it to, so I just hope I see them in heaven.
Speaker 1:That's a good one. That's a hard one to top right. The limbo of the infants is one. My most liberal opinion, man, yeah, look, I I'll so, so okay.
Speaker 1:So my, my most like, my innermost thought on this is that maybe there's a chance that god has mercy upon suicides. But I don't think there's ever a place to teach that. Yeah, like I don't think there's ever a place to teach that, because I think it sends a totally warped message and we should be telling people suicides are cowards and you should never do it because you're going to burn and help return. But my hope like I'm kind of one of those guys who you know there, we hope, but I I just hope that there's a chance that God is he sees something in people suffering like that, so bad that they're. You know it depends on the circumstances, of course. I think any guy does it. Who has a family leaves behind. That's just disgusting. You see, maybe a young teenager, because one of my best friends took his life when I was a kid and he was just so hurt, he was just in so much emotional pain and stuff like that. It's not that it's a liberal opinion, but it's a liberal hope.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That was a good question. That was very deep Well, from Auschwitz to suicide. Yeah, this might qualify. My most liberal opinion is that I can wear jeans to bed. I don't think it's okay to wear jeans to bed. He hopes it is. I'm not a fan of suits, that's for sure.
Speaker 16:Color shirt, at least right. Well, it depends. Nobles order, obviously.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Mrs C saying not my husband, by the way, Not my husband, I got to tell you. I am very surprised at how diverse our audience is, Rob.
Speaker 3:I was just surprised that the first two guys were wearing wife beaters.
Speaker 1:I wasn just surprised that the first two guys were wearing wife beaters.
Speaker 16:I wasn't surprised by that at all. To be honest, avoiding Babylon DEI, all right, it was very nice meeting you, man.
Speaker 1:All right. Who do we got next? We got Brock. I think we know Brock Brock's been on with us, right, do we?
Speaker 3:know Brock? Do we know Brock? You're thinking Brick? Hold on. No, don't we know. Hasn't Brock been on with us? Hold on, brock's got two open.
Speaker 1:Brock's got two open and neither of them working.
Speaker 3:Neither of them are working. Brock, I'm going to leave you there in case you get them working.
Speaker 1:All right, and then we got St Anthony Padua Radtrad. This is are you there yet? Well, it's really Gregory. Yeah, I'm here. What's going on? What's happening, brother, me, and you still haven't ironed out a date yet. What's going?
Speaker 14:on you put Keith Nestor's hair to shame. That guy's hair is weak. What's going on? No, dude, I just I don't know. I thought about coming on. I thought maybe we had to talk. I don't know what to talk about. I thought maybe we had to talk. I don't know what to talk about. I thought we'd talk a little bit about the SSPX. I was curious what your thoughts on them were, because I don't hear you talk too much about it, so I was curious. I'll tell you what I think and then let me see if what you think is accurate. I see the SSPX as kind of like practicales, if that makes sense. They just haven't taken that leap, if that makes sense. I mean, what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1:I think they like the structure that's in place. I do think there are many people that attend who probably hold Sedevacanta's views. I know a few, a few Sedes who attend the SSPX. I personally, I personally will go, no problem, I don't know. I think there's a necessary place for them. I think they're a necessity right now.
Speaker 1:I mean, if you're going to ask my opinions on Lefebvre, I think that we owe Lefebvre a huge debt. I think that I don't know, man, I think that times are so confusing right now that I am very generous in where people land, because things are so confusing. So, if somebody lands in the SETI position or somebody lands in the SSPX position, somebody lands in a Latin mass position, or even, like I even see people that are just, you know, normie novus ordo. I think if everybody is going at that position from a desire to do what they feel God is telling them to do what they feel God is telling them to do, it's too confusing right now to say you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong. I honestly don't know my own position on it. It's too confusing.
Speaker 14:The reason I bring that up because I know probably most of your audience, I'm assuming, is probably like traditional Novus Odo type, maybe like FSSP, maybe Indult Latin Mass type. Yeah, I mean I know there's a few set. Is you know on here that watch like Sellycast crew but like other than, but like for the most part I'm assuming you guys are like Indult, some SSPX but whatever that kind of view. But I think that there's a very. When it comes to the set of a contest world, it's not as known, but we're the set of contest man. If you go to any one of our chapels, we're just, we're just regular, just catholic, catholic dudes man and I.
Speaker 14:I think that if people understand I think people don't, I don't know if they're just, I don't know what they're thinking when it comes to the SSPX, that they have a more FSSP view. But the SSPX takes very strong stances that a lot of the things that that sort of contest would agree with, like saying the new mass is evil, you know, saying that the things of Vatican II, like religious liberty and ecumenism and so forth, are heretical. Some question the validity of the new rites of consecration or ordination, whether or not these are even valid priests. Some do. That's not their stance officially.
Speaker 1:There's no unified stance among setes, even, but that's what I mean by. I'm very lenient to people that land on different positions. And just to say, like the video where I was making criticism, I was speaking very specifically about online settees. I wasn't talking about people at their parish. I wasn't talking about settee priests. I wasn't talking about anything like that. I was talking very specifically about my impressions of people on Twitter that lean towards that and just the tendency of many online set A's tend to be autistic. It's just the way it is. I don't know.
Speaker 14:I think people on Twitter are that way in general, man.
Speaker 1:We like to just fight when we talk face-to-face, it's all good.
Speaker 3:I think the problem is, for many people, the only set of a contest that they're likely to meet are probably going to be those on Twitter or on other online social medias. I think that's one thing that your average trad needs to maybe worry about more, because if TC is here to stay and the Latin Mass is to remain restricted, then it's not like the Samorin Pontificum era where you have parishes that are saying both and people can get to know trads in person. It could become the point where the only trads they know are online and many trads online aren't great.
Speaker 14:I guess my hope is because I know that there's dialysis and Latinx people that will never go to SSPX and will certainly never go to SETI. But if you're an SSPxer, the way I, the way I look at you and I think they should look at set of a contest, is that we're so close that it's like, look at, they shouldn't have this, uh animosity toward us. Like you go to sspx, you and you go to set of contest chapel, you're almost going to see, really yeah.
Speaker 1:I agree with that.
Speaker 14:It's so minimal a difference and their thinking's very similar. That we're basically brothers is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 14:That's what I want to communicate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I would say Sedevacantus have to stop, especially online. I don't know. I've never gone to a set, a chapel or anything but online. They have to stop looking at people that don't come to the same conclusions as them as idiots. Like it's not an easy thing to come to and you came to that decision and that's that's okay, but, like the people that that didn't come to the same conclusions, you got to give a little leniency to as well. Like it's it just that's what it comes down to. It's like the times are so confusing you have to give a little bit of leniency. Some of the people I respect more than anything that I that have been on this show but have not really come out publicly about their stance are set of a contest, and I respect those people. I think they're very smart and I think that they're uh, they didn't come to that lightly. It's not like they just didn't like the Novus Ordo, so they became set of a contest.
Speaker 14:It's something they thought very deeply about. It's usually a trickle and it usually goes from an adult TLM and then they end up going to finding an FSSP, sspx and then resistance and then set it. It typically goes like that Not always, but for the most part there's this progression, because I personally think that's a logical progression, but it tends to go like that Anyway.
Speaker 3:I don't know, I would just take any of them within 100 miles of me.
Speaker 1:Rob will be at the SSPV tomorrow. If it was around the block. Are you kidding?
Speaker 14:Here's a question for either one of you. Let's say we're kicking it right and we're buddies and there's no other chapel around on a Sunday but a set of a contest chapel. Would you go to that? Would you be like, hey, let's go to the set of a contest chapel? Would you say it's Catholic, or would you say I can't go to that chapel?
Speaker 3:I mean, I would say canon law makes it pretty clear. I could go to that if that's the only one around.
Speaker 1:I will say I've been to a mass where the priest did not say the Pope's name in the canon.
Speaker 14:I've already done it. So I mean, are you saying this is right after Francis passed away?
Speaker 1:No, no, no. During the Francis pontificate. During the francis pontificate I went to. I basically attended a set a mass. So I mean, I don't think I've ever said that publicly, but yeah, do.
Speaker 14:Okay. Do you want to say what group it was? It wasn't a group it was.
Speaker 1:It was just independent priest, I, I yeah, it was an independent priest, and I can't say who, because I don't want to Not independent in the Not independent in the independent sense, if that makes sense. Yeah, I just don't want to get the guy in trouble, so we'll leave it at that.
Speaker 14:I do find that interesting. I do find that interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, look I'm. I just yeah. My thoughts are I haven't come to a definitive answer myself and I'm kind of just waiting on God right now. That's kind of where I land.
Speaker 14:I will say, when it comes to this set of accountants, I'm more seti-ecumenist.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're look like I said. I know there are a bunch of setis that I think I really like. You're definitely up there, even the oh man what the heck is his name? The Thomas kid, wm Review. Wm Review.
Speaker 3:I really like I like Novus Ordo Watch oh.
Speaker 1:Scholastic Zoomer. Scholastic Zoomer. I really like that kid. It's just. It's one of those situations of a couple bad apples ruining the bunch. Tommy, I like Tommy Burrito.
Speaker 14:Oh yeah, he's one of the Sailor Cast misfits that I align myself with.
Speaker 1:You align yourself with a bunch of misfits. I'll give you that I'm a misfit.
Speaker 14:okay, I'm a misfit even in the steady world. I'll give you that I'm a misfit. I'm a misfit even in the steady world. I'll let you go.
Speaker 1:Maybe you come on Monday when I do the show with those guys. We're going to get Majarian on. I don't want to say your name publicly, so I'll just leave it at St Anthony Rattrat. Thanks, man, bring my boy on. Where's my boy?
Speaker 27:What's up y'all?
Speaker 3:How? Where's my boy? What's up?
Speaker 27:how we doing. What's up y'all how y'all doing with those glasses? I'm Jeffrey Dahmer for the day yeah. I have so many questions, but I'm trying to sort through the ones that will get you canceled the most. The ones that will get you canceled.
Speaker 1:Can I just say I can't believe. Nobody asked like what is your opinion on this other guy? What is it Like? Nobody's trying to get me into like a beef with one of the other creators.
Speaker 3:This audience has been wildly respectful.
Speaker 27:Respectful. They're all so nice.
Speaker 1:Nobody was like okay, come on, Tell us what you really think of Matt Fradd. Come on, nobody even tried to put me in that position. It was strange.
Speaker 27:I had guys, so I had Taffy asking me to ask your opinions on corporal spousal punishment yeah. And then I had someone in the chat asking me what your favorite slur was. All right, so low bar.
Speaker 3:Dago, wap Guinea. Any of those.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I figured.
Speaker 27:I think we know what yours is, Anthony.
Speaker 1:Listen, I'll just say if you ever had audio of me in my car in traffic I'd be canceled immediately.
Speaker 1:Um, the uh. What was the first? Corporal spousal punishment? I don't think any man should ever hit a woman. I mean, I just don't. I don't think that's necessary. I am, I look, I'll give you this. My wife, my wife's, uh, biggest, uh, the biggest issue I have with my wife is that she spends money on the kids. Like she just always wants to get things for the kids, especially because I would not let my kids go to college right, like I, I'm not letting them get buried in dead at university. So my wife has this, this guilt that like we were supposed to send our kids away to college and we didn't do it for them. So now we have to do and I had to take my wife's card away the other day Like no, you don't even get a credit card anymore. I can't trust you to go to the store with my daughters. You're getting cash allowance. Now this is what you're allowed to spend. Stop it Like that's that's. You know, you gotta. You gotta put restrictions that you gotta do it.
Speaker 1:But no, I've never, I would never, ever be okay with raising my hand for my wife, exactly.
Speaker 27:Yeah, yeah, no, I mean I, I obviously mirror the same thoughts.
Speaker 3:It's a financial infidelity. It's financial abuse.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Oh if they ever knew how my household is run, they would. They would convince my wife to file for divorce. Yeah, Same.
Speaker 27:Oh yeah, lila Rose as well. You know they're they're interviewing together, of course. Yeah, I uh, my, my biggest question is is about twitter. Obviously, you know, chronically online, I'm on twitter all the time and you know I I see these accounts post like the same post over and over again and like pisses me off, right, um, so I try and call those out. But I wonder, is it worse with the Indian slop posters or is it? Or are women worse on Twitter? Like that's? That's my, my struggle. Are the e-girls worse than the slop posters? It's like the ultimate dilemma If we can get rid of one with with the Indians.
Speaker 3:I mean, at some level you got to respect the game right. They're both doing it for money right.
Speaker 1:Okay, but look, when I say e-girls, I'm speaking very specifically about e-girls. I don't think that women have no place on Twitter. I'm not saying because I interact with plenty of women that are totally normal and they're just giving a little bit of feedback, but they're not fighting with men that aren't their husband, right? Like when I, when I see a woman getting angry on on Twitter at some man that's not their husband, I'm like why are you devoting this much of your energy and life to someone who's not like?
Speaker 27:what are we?
Speaker 1:doing like. I find it very off-putting and strange when I see especially the protestant girls, like those protestants like the lizzie's and the frizzy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, those girls nauseate me, like you know what was kind of not karma, obviously, because we don't believe in that, but was like divine justice, was them all getting fooled by, uh, patriarchy, hannah, yeah, it was kind of funny the lack of critical thinking yeah, and, and then they have the.
Speaker 1:And then you have, like, the ones who are actually a little bit like of the influencer types, right when these are girls presenting themselves as Christians, wearing low cut dresses to lure men in with their figure and things like that. Like there's something so off putting about that to me that they, like they just, especially in the protestant world. These, these women have absolutely no concept of accountability or like preventing men from falling for a sin. Like they think that well, that's on you if you fall. It's like no, we all actually have a duty to make sure we don't scandalize anybody or cause anybody to sin, or and it extends that not just if you wear something and somebody can't control themselves, it extends to causing like ruckus amongst people. Like like, if there's tons of men commenting on your feed, like that's inappropriate. Like no, I would never allow my wife to be engaging with strange men and arguing and they're looking at her cleavage and they're getting upset, like it's just. I don't know the guys that allow their wives to do that.
Speaker 27:I don't understand very strange for a husband to be okay with that yeah 100 yeah, I can't even imagine having my wife just constantly emasculate me on the internet like day in, day out. Like that's brutal. I you know, you got to pray for your enemies and you got to pray for those men that are going through that, because that's just brutal. They need to man up, get their wipe off the internet to the women who know how to be classy on the internet.
Speaker 1:I applaud you because I know plenty of them and they're not doing what we're talking about right now. So, um, very, very, very smart decision.
Speaker 27:Yes, you should. Yeah, I mean, that's that's all I had. Really. I was trying to try my best to get y'all canceled real here, real quick, but I think anthony already did that every everybody's still on.
Speaker 1:Go uh, subscribe to the latin slavs podcast. We still got out 300 people on youtube and about 600 people on x.
Speaker 27:If they're still watching I swear if y'all let Crash Cannon get to 400 subs before we do. I'm genuinely proud of that.
Speaker 1:Even if you guys never watch a Latin Slavs episode, go subscribe just to get them to 400 or 500, before Chris does, because it will make me angry.
Speaker 3:I don't know. At least Chris has had me on, oh we'll get you on Rob. Whenever you want.
Speaker 27:We're respecting the baby. Thank you. Whenever you're ready, we'll get you on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, go subscribe Latin Slavs Podcast. We're going to see who we got next up on the line.
Speaker 27:I'll see y'all have a good night.
Speaker 1:Adios brother, we're going to see who we got next up on the line I'll see y'all have a good night. Adios, brother Brock. Yeah, we've had Brock on before. What happened, I don't know. He just ended his own stream.
Speaker 3:No, I don't know, the camera cut out. He's still connected, but the camera cut out.
Speaker 1:Oh, this poor guy. This is third attempt.
Speaker 3:We've had him on. I think he looked familiar. Jd. I see what you're doing, don't worry, we'll get you on bud, but there's one more person in line in front of you. Yeah, we got one person before jd.
Speaker 22:Bg, bg hey everyone, how we doing can you hear what's going on yes, we can hear you nice, nice big fan of the show. So I have a kind of contentious question, not so much uh, modernist or novus ordo or rad track setup, but uh, I have come across a new uh youtuber annulment proof. What do you all think overall about natural family planning? We just had him on before, dude, oh no, I just want to hear your take on nfp and some of the things that he shared or has have expressed. I didn't know who was on earlier, so that's why I'll be honest I think that I actually have to learn more about it.
Speaker 1:You know what it is. It's never been an. It's never been something I've had to consider, like I've never used it, so I don't know. Like there's never been any. Any need for me to even research has never been relevant in my life in any way, so I don't know. I do know that, um, I do know that I see a lot of female podcasters running around talking about it as if it's catholic birth control, so, but I never thought about it the way an omen proof was talking about it, where same here, yeah.
Speaker 1:I never thought about it deeply like that. Where they're? They're adding the unitive way to to make the natural the natural subvert the supernatural. So I I have to actually listen to him and and hear him out before I make a judgment call on that no same here, so I'm kind of in the same boat.
Speaker 22:Was never an issue for me, uh, but then I would hear people getting roasted by, uh, people outside of the catholic faith.
Speaker 1:As far as being like, okay, you just explained nfp and it sounds like catholic contraception, so I was like, oh, compelling point so, you know, worth digging into and kind of learning more about yeah, I think there's a difference in like purposely using your cycle to avoid pregnancy and going a time of of uh, being chased because you just want to do it for prayer or something or if, like you know, whatever there has to be like a I don't know, I, I don't, I'd have to, I have to look at.
Speaker 3:I've never even considered the question really that deeply, so I guess we're gonna have to hear john out, and I think it also kind of depends on, like like, what you mean by, because if you, for instance, it could be said that my wife and I used nfp to get pregnant to get pregnant, yeah, like cycle tracking and best days you know, in order to get pregnant.
Speaker 3:Many people call that nfp um and I don't. I obviously don't have a problem with that um as far as using it to avoid pregnancy like, at the very least, it has to be reasons far graver than what most people, yeah, even talk about.
Speaker 22:At the very least, I think one of the things I was just that I knew I shouldn't have said that yeah, I don't even like that son, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Son of a. Oh, that's hilarious. Poor Hope's been pregnant for three years since I met you, so we've like with the breastfeeding, you know, and this doesn't work for everyone, but generally speaking, you don't get pregnant until the child you're breastfeeding weans, right? Weans, yeah, yeah, you don't get pregnant until the child you're breastfeeding weans, right, weans, yeah. That's how it's worked out for us, where, once they start weaning, between a year and a year and a half Hope ends up getting pregnant and we have them spaced two years apart.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 22:That's also when he kicks the baby out of the bed. Another can of worms? No, it's just one of those things. It seems like a slippery slope where it can be used in irregular ways than maybe what it was set out to do in the beginning. And I mean, you just see it so popular with some of the bigger Catholic influencers, so it's interesting, to say the least.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a very Catholic-ing thing to promote. So, yeah, we'll talk to John and we'll get to the bottom of it's a it's a very uh, it's a very uh catholic ink thing to promote. So, yeah, we'll, we'll talk to john and we'll get to the bottom of it. But it was nice meeting you, bg, we'll see likewise thanks thank you brother.
Speaker 1:Uh, all right, let's. Should we get jd on? Or you want to get brock on? Well, brock just dropped again, brock dropped again. All right, jd, let's bring jd on. Jd man, we've been interacting for years, brother, what's happening?
Speaker 28:bros, bros, so happy to be here, man. Thank you guys for uh, for letting me share some of your space. I've been following your podcast I think better part of two years now. Love everything you guys do. You're probably one of the only few that I habitually listen to, um just for fun, but also for educational content. I know you guys don't brand yourselves as an educational podcast but, believe it or not, I have learned some things, so I appreciate that yeah, we don't brand ourselves that way, but we hope like we're all learning as we go.
Speaker 1:You know, like there's definitely things that we're all, especially through interviews and things like that. So, yeah, we don't. We just don't want anybody to mistake us for an apostolate or a right, or missionaries or something like that's not what we're doing, you know, yeah yeah, totally, totally get it.
Speaker 28:well, and the um, what was it? The danielic mysteries, uh, podcast that you did, really, really I I didn't really appreciate paul's letter to the ephesians as much as I did after listening that, listening to you, so I really do appreciate you putting your thoughts into that.
Speaker 3:It's one of my favorites to this day.
Speaker 28:Yeah, yeah, really do. And it's just like I read that. I mean I just read it again earlier this afternoon, or at least a few chapters of it, and it just continues to blow my mind. So whenever I can crack open the Bible and just get my mind blown again, it's just it's always a book.
Speaker 1:The book of Ephesians is Paul's Catholic ecclesiology Right.
Speaker 28:Right, and it's one of the. It's one of the letters where he's not he's. You know, there's always the. The modern, modern scholars will say that well, maybe Paul didn't write that one. No, he did. It's just that a lot of his other letters are much more, have you know, sharper elbows, because he's chewing people out because they're doing the wrong thing, like in Corinth or wherever, whereas in Ephesus they kind of had their act together a lot more, and so he's able to like talk to them more reasonably about things like ecclesiology.
Speaker 1:And he's also way further along after his conversion. He's almost near death, like he's. He's he's almost near. I think he's a Roman prisoner at the time and he's probably got a lot of time in solitude, in prayer, and he's just reflecting on the Old Testament, right, and he's like he's in this phase where he's being caught up to the third heaven and he's like, yeah, holy.
Speaker 7:I don't know if I want to be in my body or out of my body right now.
Speaker 1:I just know, holy cow, the things that are waiting for us.
Speaker 28:It's an amazing book was going to get me into my first question, so I wrote out a couple things, so I want to um not waste time. So, um, question 1a and 1b what's your favorite book on typology, if you have one, and what are your thoughts on holzhauer's epochs and if you have a recommendation for for that?
Speaker 1:okay, uh, question one. Um, oh, man, you know because I would? I would recommend a brand petri book, but now that I saw his new dot, his new uh series on on the, on the, on the jewish roots of the novus ordo, which is what it probably is you know I have his introduction to the old testament with uh john bergsman.
Speaker 28:i've've read through the first hundred pages. It's really good Okay.
Speaker 1:Jewish Roots of the Eucharist is amazing. What was the?
Speaker 28:Jewish Roots of Mary. Jewish Roots of the Papacy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, it wasn't one of those. Oh man, which one was it? Man I forgot. Yeah, no, it wasn't one of those, it was oh man. Which one was it? Um man, I I forgot.
Speaker 3:oh man, I um for me, mosley's books for technology are amazing. Yes, okay for sure what is it the cross to the or?
Speaker 1:the crucifixion to creation. Yes, crucifixion to creation.
Speaker 1:Father maudsley's book um man, I'll tell you like I really you guys, really, if you go, if you go to the saint paul center, um scott hans site, he had a like 20 years ago he did a series of lectures to priests and they're hard to find on the website but you can still find them and that's like where he, he, he like he goes through every book he goes through. He goes through, uh, um, he goes through all of Paul's letters, but then he goes through the gospel of Matthew and then he gets to this part in the gospel of Matthew where he discusses the sign of Jonah. And it will blow your freaking mind when he discusses the sign of Jonah. So I mean, I was always like a more of an audio guy because I was constantly in my car, so that was. That was where I got like my. My real thorough understanding of biblical typology was listening to old Scott Hahn talks and stuff.
Speaker 28:Ok, All right, cool and wait, wait, wait. Biblical typology was listening to old scott hahn talks and stuff. Okay, all right, cool and um wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 1:Kevin james is catholic no no way, james. What no way?
Speaker 3:all right, go ahead next you're gonna tell me scott hahn converted or something.
Speaker 28:Yeah, breaking news breaking news to me. First I heard it um whole sours apoc. So where do you any book recommendations? For that and where do you think we are?
Speaker 1:we have been debating doing a show on this for about a year.
Speaker 3:The problem is the only real like book on it is holes. How is holes, how does work? And it's uh, yeah, one it's hard to find too. It's like a translation from german from 100 years ago. It's like it's not going to be easy to read, um, but uh, I mean, I think, I think we're at the end of. Would it be the fifth? Yeah, end of the sixth that's.
Speaker 1:That's where I think we are yeah, also wait, wait, never under, never underestimate how valuable uh, steve cunningham's site, true, yeah, like um census fidelium if you look up. Um what the heck?
Speaker 3:he's got an app now too, if you guys don't want to go to youtube. There is a census fidelium app, and he did ask me to to mention it once. So here we go. Steve, there you go bud, no.
Speaker 1:So, um, which priest was it? Uh, shoot, he did a whole series on like he does it. He did it every year when he would come up on the end of the liturgical year and he would do the end of the world like it would be right before advent. And he, he went through Cornelius Alapidae's translation of the apocalypse and it is mind-blowing If you guys could find that.
Speaker 3:Did he say Father Wolf, Father Wolf?
Speaker 1:yes, father Philip Wolf.
Speaker 28:So Father Philip Wolf.
Speaker 1:Translation of the apocalypse so father philip wolf translation of the apocalypse? He, no, it's, it's, he does. He did a series on cornelius alapide, who's I think he's like 11th century, so he's not even a church father, but he does a commentary on the apocalypse and he talks about like the stars falling from heaven and the keys opening the abyss. It is so unbelievable, like I. I remember there was a period where I like, especially if you follow the liturgical calendar, like as you're coming because we're going to be coming up on it soon Once you get to the end of October, if you've passed the feast of Christ the King, if you just spend that time from November 1st, like from the feast of all souls until Advent, just listening to those Father Wolf homilies on the end of the world, I assure you you will. And then he also did a whole series on. It was a 14-part series on. There were Marian apparitions in Italy. I forgot which ones they were. If anybody remembers that, you guys will remind me. I'm sure in Italy I forgot which ones they were.
Speaker 28:If anybody remembers that, you guys will remind me, I'm sure. Speaking of Marian apparitions, that takes me to another topic. If I can ask another question, are you guys familiar with the Marian apparitions in Ecuador, our Lady of the Good Event, or commonly called Our Lady of Good Success? There's multiple stories on that. I know that the one that's been verified was verified, I think, in like 1611. And that had to do with initial apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary to this nun and then it had to do with, like, the painting and the building of the statue and stuff and the sanctuary.
Speaker 1:That's one that says uh, rome will become the seat of the antichrist is that I thought that was la salette, but oh okay, maybe that's la salette, yeah I the one.
Speaker 28:But what's really interesting and I'm not sure if this is substantiated or not, so I think there's a little controversy on this one. I mean there's controversy on other ones too that's it.
Speaker 28:Robert got it, but this version of revelation this, yeah, this one uh stated that um, a pope in the 19th century would be responsible for dogmatizing the uh dogma of the of her immaculate conception and then also of papal infallibility as well, and that happened in the early 1600s, and then obviously that happened 250 years later or whatever. So I wasn't sure if you guys were aware of that or not.
Speaker 3:In addition, that same apparition predicted the assassination of Gabriel Garcia Moreno in.
Speaker 28:Ecuador, yeah, by the Freemasons.
Speaker 3:By the Freemasons, assisted by the US. I did not know that, yeah the assassin, after the assassination, ran to the US Embassy.
Speaker 28:Okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so we've been assassinating.
Speaker 28:Do you remember what year that was? I'll look it up real quick. Okay, because this is interesting. I'm like so I'm on this fix right now Like the 20th century was like a mess. 1875. That would make sense. Okay, that makes sense, because the diplomatic relations between the Vatican and the US were broken, I think in 1869, 1870, like right when the Italian Peninsula was being reunified.
Speaker 3:It happened after the Civil War 1870 would have been when Garibaldi finally captured Rome.
Speaker 28:So yeah, it would have been around there and they were all, and so Lincoln hated like, lincoln did not like Pius IX, and I think the feeling was basically mutual, yeah, to the point where Lincoln was trying to get Garibaldi involved in the Civil War and Pius IX was, you know, being somewhat nice to Jefferson Davis and all that stuff.
Speaker 28:But what a lot of people don't don't necessarily know is that there were uh people who were tied to John Wilkes Booth, who were Catholics and um, there was a suppose that an unproven conspiracy that multiple people were involved in the Lincoln assassination. I think it ended up being proven like it was. It was debunked um, but it created a big issue with uh the diplomatic relations between the vatican and the us government after uh lincoln was assassinated, because there were like two or three people that were taken prisoner um and were executed, who were, who were devout catholics and were critical of Lincoln, but I don't think they were involved in the assassination and it ended up leading to the Vatican not having like cutting off formal diplomatic relations with the US. The Vatican did not have diplomatic relations with the US, I want to say from like 1869, 1870, whenever that happened, until 1983.
Speaker 28:Yeah that sounds right. Isn't that crazy? That's crazy that sounds right there, but there was like so much stuff like from from the beginning of the French Revolution is when Pius IX Well, they didn't have formal diplomatic relations relations.
Speaker 1:it doesn't mean there weren't like that, that's probably probably when we when we delegated a uh like a uh to the roman, you know, like a formal delegate or something.
Speaker 28:Yeah, ambassador, yeah, but I think the ambassadors were gone, like I don't, I think that was uh. So anyway, I just I think it's such an interesting time period in the 19th century in the church, especially After the French Revolution into the revolutions of 1848, and Pius IX kind of switches, yeah, and then he proclaims the American. Conception.
Speaker 28:And then Italy goes, and then Europe turns on the church completely, if they hadn't already turned on them before. Italy goes and then, like Europe turns on the church completely, if they hadn't already turned on them before, and then, you know, the gloves come off and, like they have no choice but to convoke Vatican I, which is only like a nine month council, Because one of the most, because of crazy yeah because, of the war?
Speaker 3:Yeah, because yeah, taking Rome.
Speaker 28:So what do you think so? What do you think All right, so I want to get you canceled for this one. What so? So? What do you think so? What do you think all right, so I want to get you canceled for this one. So what do you think would have happened if they had continued the council at, like Cyprus or wherever it was that they would have wanted to, because they were going to continue with the Episcopate after they do, the Bishop of Rome, with Pastor Aeternus? Do you think things would have been different?
Speaker 3:I think John Henry Newman probably would have got them to make some.
Speaker 1:Some limitations, yeah, some limitations and clarifications, yeah, yeah, I think Vatican I was kind of left open-ended and it wasn't fully clarified it literally was they didn't close it until 1960.
Speaker 28:fully clarified it literally was they didn't close it until 1960. It literally was open.
Speaker 1:It kind of led to some of the fiasco that we're dealing with now, some of the ultramontanism we're dealing with now. Yeah, all right, we're going to. I mean, it's getting late, jd, maybe we'll do a full episode on that. That's actually a really in-depth topic, that's a good idea.
Speaker 28:I think that'd be really interesting to tackle.
Speaker 1:And we're going to get Brock on. Brock's going to be the last one.
Speaker 3:We had Kevin just joined. We had someone just joined, no one else joined. We got Brock and Kevin. Respect, respect.
Speaker 1:Thank you, brother, all Thank you, brother, we'll see you. Bring Brock on.
Speaker 3:It's working so far.
Speaker 21:Hey it had to do with my browser settings, because I've got all the audio turned off. It just cut me out. Anyways, thank you guys. I love the show. Anthony, you're my favorite brown person. All right, anthony, you're my favorite brown person.
Speaker 21:All right, okay, yeah, little mustache, that's the best thing he can do. I'm also a Minnesotan. Oh, nice, my question, my question. I'm in Wyoming now, thankfully, but also not, because there's no Latin mass. I've got to drive like two hours and 15 minutes. Sspx Chapel is the closest thing, but what is your favorite hot dish? That's it, anthony. You have to answer Anthony.
Speaker 1:I don't think I've ever had a hot dish. I'm sure I would enjoy a tater tot hot dish if I was seven, but like I don't know, if Rob makes me one, I'll try it. I guess I don't think I've ever actually had one and I'm trying to think Maybe my wife I guess I don't think I've ever actually had one. I'm trying to think Maybe my wife's made something.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I'll have to ask her. The easy answer is definitely tater tot hot dish Food for children. I don't like you, I really don't. Tuna noodle casserole, which is a hot dish, is a close second. That's a good Friday hot dish right there alright good, thank you guys. I appreciate your patience. We appreciate you brother.
Speaker 1:Kevin, you are closing out the show, kevin alright, glad I made it.
Speaker 13:Thanks guys. Big fan of the show yeah, thank you. I'd say you're my second favorite brown person. My wife goes first, so your wife goes first. All right, I'll take it no, uh question for you guys. So thinking about I've got four boys and a girl thinking about jobs for them growing up. You know, anthony, you come from a trade background. Any recommendations on trades to think?
Speaker 1:about. I can tell you what I have, what I'm doing, my, my daughter's uh just enrolled in esthetician school and, um, thankfully my, my wife's father is paying for it, so I don't even have to worry about that. I'm grateful. My son is going for welding and then he wants to. He wants to get into like aeronautics welding. So he wants to like get, get certified and then continue the certification and he wants to continue on with it. I don't know if that's going to be his career. I think that it's a good opportunity for him to get into like into some kind of a trade and then maybe he'll meet somebody else and I'm hoping he has like an entrepreneurial spirit and you never know where this thing goes and maybe there's some something he could help us with down the road if this thing ever goes anywhere, or something like that. But, um, and then my youngest daughter is going to go. There's a sonogram technician program that she's already at 15. She knows that's.
Speaker 3:That's what she wants to go for, you know um, one of my prior jobs was doing accounting for a plumbing and heating company and, uh, those guys, man, they made bank. Um, now, your average, like entry level, like hvac technician, I don't know. You know, I I don't know how that's going to do in the future, but the area I'm in now we don't have enough plumbers, electricians, things like that. So I think trades like that are always going to be necessary and useful and you can really get a job anywhere in the US, and I think they're going to only be more needed as so many plumbers and electricians and stuff now are older.
Speaker 1:I'll say this I have three brothers that are all paying their wife's student loans and none of their wives work. That's all I know. Like that's the, and I had this real like obligation to not saddle the, the man my daughter marries, with the debt of her just wanting to go to school. And then I cause, I know all these women. They think they want to go and be the career girl until they get pregnant. And as soon as these girls get pregnant, they want to stay home.
Speaker 1:So I I figured, let me try to gear my daughters towards something where, if they do have to help their husband, they can do it from home. Like that's, that's. I think that's what us, as fathers with daughters, have to do. We have to try to help our daughters find something where they can stay home with their kids. If maybe they can make $200 a week, $300 a week, to assist their husband, that'll be a help for him. They don't have to go and put themselves out in the workforce where there's men hitting on them and things like that. I think an office environment is horrible for a woman that's married to be in yeah, it's fair.
Speaker 13:So quick follow-up. Any uh plans on going on the quite frankly?
Speaker 1:show I actually did. Yeah, I spoke with him um tim gordon, like because he because me and him have tim gordon, have me and him have tim gordon in common, and Keto Mandy had recommended me to him, so he lives in Westchester, we DM each other. He was like maybe you just come on one night and I, you know, I told him, maybe on like a Thursday or Friday night after work or or something like that, I'll just shoot up there, we'll do a show together and then I'll. It'll have to be a friday night because there's no way I could do it on a weeknight. So yeah, but yeah, hopefully I would like to go on with a good dude yeah, I just.
Speaker 13:I just found out about him through when I think tim was on I don't know a couple months back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so yeah he's a good good dude, we said we'll talk growing up new york, like just just discuss that, because he's there yeah, he's my older brother's. I mean, I've told a lot of war stories from my childhood on this show already. That's right. We appreciate all you guys, man. Thank you so much for everybody's time. Kevin. It was nice meeting you, man. Thank you, yeah, dude, I thought this was fun tonight. I'm not going to say we do it weekly.
Speaker 3:No, not at two and a half hours anyways.
Speaker 1:No, it's not going to be a weekly thing, but I did think it was fun for a change up right. We didn't have to do much prep work and I think everybody did enjoy coming. Look, you're always going to get lulls where somebody asks a boring question and you guys got to just kind of sit through it. But I think it's. I thought it was fun, like I thought it was cool to get to meet people and people actually asked like legit yeah, it went way better than I thought yeah, I was worried.
Speaker 1:You know, even the set days, even uh, john from an omen proof, like all of them were like very cool, like nobody like came on to try and roast us or anything like that. It was like it was. It was really good. Now, if we did it once a month, maybe we'll get some Protestants in that actually have some real questions. I mean, it's not, we're not going to do Catholic answers live.
Speaker 1:Like the theology stuff is really not my wheelhouse. Like I, I feel comfortable answering some questions, but like I, I also don't want to overstep my bounds. I, I, I, I've, I've, I'm thinking like more relationships. So like, if you, if you haven't looked, some people I'm I thought we were going to get more like hey, you know I'm married. My mother-in-law is kind of overstepping her bounds here. How do you think I can handle this situation? Something like that. You know that's what I was thinking we were going to get and it wound up just all being young guys and a couple of women that called in, really just seeking like how to be good dads it was you know, and I think I like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, me too, me too, because it's stuff that we can actually offer some insight in I have. My kids are older, so I could. The question of what we would have done differently was really good, like what you know. It made me think about that a lot and I'll tell you right now my one of my biggest regrets is not homeschooling my kids. So if you guys are starting off in that space, do everything you can to keep your kids out of public school. It's a hellhole, it's a rock. I had a priest yell at me one time for putting my kids, for having my kids, in public school I believe so yeah, um, and you guys, you know, we, compliment.
Speaker 3:We. We compliment people being respectful, and this is what they towers in the comments.
Speaker 1:It's unbelievable. I I I just hope you guys don't scare off newbies with this stuff, because I don't care, it's not offending me. But, like you, get a new person in the comments like what the hell is going on in this chat over here? But, um, this was fun, man. Uh, we have michael hitchborn on thursday. Uh, we're gonna. Oh, man, I don't even that's oh, that's, that's gross. I know we'll do some other stuff with michael too. We're not gonna just do that. Um, uh, did you guys know that chris interviewed ha Haley Luya tonight? Go check out, chris, chris, chris.
Speaker 1:I ended last night's show with you. I'm not doing it tonight. I'm going to leave you be. I'm just teasing you. Alright, guys, we will be back on Thursday. And no, who's called you? Who called you boring the Roman? I don't think you were boring at all, dude. I think we got to actually get you on when we do a Blackville episode, roman. Yeah, maybe I'll get like Bobby and Roman on and we'll just make Rob sit through it. He'll just have to suffer through it. Oh, molly has another woman muted.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I had a mutant blocker too, haley is just too much.
Speaker 1:She's just too much. Two feds and an Italian All right, we are going to wrap this one up, man. This was a really, really, really fun show man.
Speaker 3:It was an interesting one to come back to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, honestly, wasn't it? It was like you guys got a lot of rob talking tonight, which was cool. It wasn't just me rambling the whole time. I thought it was fun. Um, we'll do these once a month. If you guys did not get to comment, the cheapest way to do that would be through youtube memberships. It's only three bucks because it looks like we have so many people just in those, but maybe next time it won't be locals and members, so we're always going to offer it to them first, because they support us.
Speaker 3:And who knows, this might be a. This might be a show that is exclusive on the the new.
Speaker 1:Yeah. On the new place on the new thing that's coming. The new thing we can't announce yet, but it is coming. Take us out, Rob. Thank you.
