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Avoiding Babylon
Charlie Kirk says Mary is the Antidote to Feminism (PREMIUM FULL VERSION)
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Access to the FULL show on audio!Charlie Kirk's recent declaration that "the antidote to feminism is Our Lady" has sent ripples through Catholic and evangelical circles alike. In this captivating episode, we unpack the surprising theological evolution of one of America's most prominent conservative Protestant voices as he admits evangelicals have "under venerated" Mary.
The significance of Kirk's statement cannot be overstated - as we explore in depth, Mary often serves as the gateway through which many Protestants eventually find their way to Catholicism. With reports that Kirk and his wife have been attending Catholic Mass regularly, we examine what might be happening behind the scenes in this potential conversion story. Drawing on our experience witnessing similar journeys, we discuss the pattern where once someone begins appreciating Mary's role, a deeper examination of Catholic teaching naturally follows.
We also tackle the viral Coldplay concert incident where a CEO and his HR director were caught in a compromising moment on the kiss cam, using it as a springboard to discuss the devastating effects of infidelity on families and society. In our signature unfiltered style, we don't hold back in addressing the selfish nature of such actions and the profound spiritual implications of sexual sin.
The show takes several entertaining detours - from debates about guitar music at Mass (featuring a passionate parental disagreement), to updates on the Voice of Reason scandal, to candid commentary on the recent Life Site News controversy. Each discussion reveals deeper truths about Catholic identity, media integrity, and authentic faith in today's complex landscape.
Join us for this thought-provoking conversation that bridges theology, current events, and cultural analysis with our characteristic blend of humor, insight, and unapologetic Catholicism. And stay tuned for information about an upcoming charity livestream benefiting the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem and the church in Gaza.
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Speaker 2:Well, taffy, taffy, if you're watching right now, did you do something to make Ant look as black as that? Or was that just natural?
Speaker 4:Because you made the comment about us being the heel like you said you were.
Speaker 4:Like you know me, me and ant have basically like we are the heels in the catholic world like it would just become like the adversaries of everybody. I gotta be honest, I'm like I woke up the other day and I hadn't slept all week. I had um like three consecutive days where I got like less than three hours, yeah, and so yesterday was I, I only got three hours of sleep again and I woke up at like two in the morning. I was just like thinking about all the freaking garbage going on and like thinking about like the comments people were leaving on our video and like like people accusing us of uh, like like people saying shame on you for, like for discussing someone else's sins and I'm like, so wait, you're shaming me for shaming him. Like you're doing the thing. You're like like you're pointing out my sin, of pointing out his did you see um wagner's tweet kind of on that lines.
Speaker 4:He goes detraction is so bad, you must run out and tell everyone about someone else's detraction but it's true, it's like, it's like they can point our sin out, but like, if we you know I'm debating if we should do this conversation on um, uh, yeah, I think we should do that on locals, because I have like this, this whole.
Speaker 4:I kind of have this like whole uh thing about like what, what it is, because I saw a clip that frad put out with a priest about like sexual sins and like why they're so different, and I have like a a real and I don't think anything they said in the clip was wrong. I just don't think it went far enough. So, but maybe we'll I mean, we'll see how this show goes, but that we're not going to start with that. Um, yes, I am indeed a center, but especially like I don't I will say this the people that were like defending him and saying you shouldn't be talking about this, like the whole thing of this coming out from what Rob and I are hearing behind the scenes. He's going to take some time.
Speaker 2:And I'm for those. Okay, we did this bad last episode. We are disgusting. We are discussing the the uh voice of reason scandal. For those of you who don't know, there, he is a online apologist who has allegedly done some very bad things, potentially allegedly even with minors anyways. So that's what we're discussing, and we're discussing how the video we made about him, which initially did not have him in the title it did not even specify him in a, in a thumbnail um, I thought, was literally as charitable charitable as we could have been about it yeah, and I came on just assuming everybody knew what we were going to talk about.
Speaker 4:So I, just I, we started making inside jokes and like I, and then, finally, why don't we tell everyone who we're talking about?
Speaker 2:well, the only reason we even we changed the title and thumbnail to specify him is because people were not understanding we were talking about him yeah, so oh.
Speaker 4:Plus, we dropped the ball with a thumbnail and Wagner it was a. It was a split stream between our channel and Wagner's and his views got double hours, and that never have our channels bigger than his. Rob dropped the ball with the thumbnail.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying no, no, no no. The first thumbnail I made was gold but I said it was too far.
Speaker 4:Um, the but from what rob and I are hearing behind the scenes is that he's going to take some time in a monastery and like there's really no better outcome you could ask for, and people that actually care about his soul should be happy. And the thing that led to that was the public shaming that happened because his original statement um, his original statement came out where he was going to just deny, deny, deny, threaten lawsuits that were to be fair.
Speaker 2:He only denied one specific claim right, but he?
Speaker 4:but it was a carefully worded denial that made it seem like he was denying everything, but he was really only denying one specific claim and then owning up to fessing up, to being a sinner, generalized sinner, which, but? While threatening lawsuits to anyone who talked about it, right? So like that, the intention of that statement was to get everybody to shut up. Don't talk about this. And I'm like and and rob and I were talking about it. I'm just like this is a ridiculous idea that he's going to sue anybody. Like.
Speaker 4:It's just, especially if any of it's true like if any of it's true truth is an absolute defense in defamation cases yeah, it's like so, and then his phone would end up being submitted for discovery and then we would see like, if there's truth to this stuff, you're then going to see every single girl he did this. There's no way this guy opened him up, open himself up to that, so what? But what wound up happening? This is true.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 4:That he is now going for a period of penance at a monastery, and it's like you hope for something like that, like the end goal is not that we want to shame him for life. The end goal is you want to bring him back into communion with the church, restore his relationship with Christ and have him be a faithful Catholic. He has to find a new opportunity offline.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he has to find I mean, look, he's Mexican, go, you know, do construction Roofing. I mean, yeah, I don't know what roofing is, but roofing would work. Sorry, Rob, oh you Minnesotans and your roofing.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry I didn't get that scenario right.
Speaker 4:Well, you say scenario, you got to be kidding me, but we're not going to do this tonight. I do have a thing I want to get to, but I think we'll do that. On Locals, we're also Rob is a little critical of the way I handled the life site story I said we didn't have to talk about it.
Speaker 4:No, it's okay. Like the, I think what people like is that you and I don't agree on everything, and he like and the thing is, I don't, we don't even necessarily disagree. It's more like, uh, like we've kind of seen it from different areas, like he, he's seeing the thing and I'm seeing yeah but I have to be extra critical of you so that your mother hates me more well, my mom is.
Speaker 4:My mom is very upset with you. She goes you know everything. You say rob just kind of just trashes. I'm like it's a bit, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2:It's just a bit bob, don't worry, he's just, it's kind of a thing we do if we touch on the guitar thing by the end of this episode, both your parents are gonna hate me, yeah oh, man, did you?
Speaker 4:uh, okay, so I had. So, guys, if you're, if you're new to the show, if you're, here for the lead story, just skip about we take a few minutes.
Speaker 4:Like, just learn to like deal with us for a few minutes we will get to the charlie kirk thing I was going to say. I was gonna say pick fruit on a farm, because that's all we ever hear from people. It's like who's gonna? Who's gonna pick your fruit on a farm if we deport all the mexicans? So, um, I'm sorry, guys, we have a little bit of irreverent humor because there's a lot of new people watching the show like and they're not happy with us unhinged.
Speaker 2:I'm the hinge of this show so, um, okay.
Speaker 4:So I went to dinner at my parents last night and my dad's really harping on that one episode. He caught the one episode he's ever seen, not even a whole episode, he's like a segment, like a portion of it, where we were talking about boomers and guitar masses. My dad played the guitar at the church for years, like my parents went to Medjugorje in the late 80s, early 90s, and the show is Anthony Bates base.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, sure you're new so my my parents went to medjugorje in the late 80s, early 90s. They came back. My dad had like a wild conversion, um, and he, like my dad, my dad's played the guitar his entire life and he then played music for the church for a good 10. I mean, what year did I move to? What year did I move to? Uh, smith, I mean it had to be. It had to be like five or ten years. My dad was like part of the music ministry, you know, um, and then he, yeah, the music ministry. So then when we were talking about guitar masses and stuff, my dad like kind of went off on me and he's like you know, it's not the instrument, because my dad loves the freaking guitar. He's like it's not the instrument, it's the type of music. So I'm afraid to actually play it because we'll probably get a copyright right If we do 20 seconds of it, do like 15 seconds of it.
Speaker 4:Let me see if I can find your tweet. I got the tweet so I'll send it to the thing. So for anybody that did not see this today, oh wrong one For anybody that didn't see this today. So my dad's like, just listen to this, and this I mean his tweet kind of blew up today. So the tweet was last week. My dad caught an episode where Rob and I criticized guitars at mass. Last night I had dinner with him and he insisted it's not the guitar but the type of music. He made me watch this. But we still disagreed and I asked can guitars be appropriate for mass If the music is not cheesy?
Speaker 4:and this is what he played for me I will say this it is a very beautiful rendition of our of uh ave maria yeah, but even there's, there's a even.
Speaker 2:There's a couple reasons why even this shouldn't be in a Mass.
Speaker 4:Right. Well, the thing is what he's doing there. Playing that in a church outside of the setting of the Mass is totally appropriate.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Outside of the.
Speaker 4:Outside of the Mass in that church, the acoustics of the church.
Speaker 2:In the sanctuary with Christ. There Is that where he was. I Outside of the mass in that church, the acoustics of the church.
Speaker 4:In the sanctuary with Christ there Is that where he was.
Speaker 2:I didn't notice. Yeah, I'm willing to say okay, but I mean, it depends. Is it a concert? You know? I don't know.
Speaker 4:Yeah Well, all I'm saying is it's a beautiful rendition and that guy's a classical guitarist. It's not like he's a rock guitar, like that. My dad maybe Okay, my dad's pretty good dude Saying that in case he watches. Yeah, I have to he is pretty good though.
Speaker 2:But say that was in mass. Even without the idea of it's a guitar, it's just without words, it's just music, it's just just, yeah, it's not praying.
Speaker 4:even at that point he and I still disagreed, but I I don't know why he can't, he he was taking it so personally, like I was like knocking, I'm like, I'm like I'm not knocking my guitar guitar's a beautiful instrument I love listening to you play.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna piss off all the boomers again, like we tend to do. What is it with that generation, with taking everything so personally?
Speaker 4:I don't know man like when someone comments something about millennials I'm like you're probably right but when you're like you know but I just don't get it.
Speaker 2:Why is everything? Why? Why is everything's in a town?
Speaker 4:like that personally. Molly says the other, she goes I don't care what people say anything about millennials. It's like is your Gen X? Of course you don't care. I did see you say that she's a millennial. I was just teasing, yeah. So it was an interesting conversation with my dad, but I kind of just was like, no, that's. I mean that's beautiful and I mean I, I wouldn't, I would prefer it not be in the setting of the mass, but obviously that's much more beautiful than, uh, you know right, I mean it's objectively better than the my little pony, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, one of those renditions.
Speaker 4:So it is what it is, all right. So we will now get to the lead before we do. Uh, do we have anything to promote? We don't have sponsors anymore. Not for a month or two. We don't have any sponsors. If any of you guys out there would like to be a sponsor of our show, we have lost our sponsors.
Speaker 2:And Anthony has a boat to fix people.
Speaker 4:Come on, everyone has abandoned us.
Speaker 2:One thing we can kind of promote, although I have no specifics on it and I didn't know about it from Anthony. I learned about it from Josiah from Thursday, but I guess next Friday there is going to be a charity livestream. I don't know on what channel or even necessarily what times, but watch out for a charity livestream next Friday. That's going to have a ton of us I don't want to call us catholic creators, or it's also gay uh a ton of us catholic people online joining as guests to raise funds for the uh, the latin, latin patriarchate of jerusalem yeah, it's gonna go to pizza balla and the church in gaza that was attacked today.
Speaker 2:Um, I think anthony and I are gonna be on there, like 6 30 central, so 7 30 eastern. I don't know who else, when else, but be on the lookout we'll give you guys a heads up when we're gonna be on.
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Speaker 4:So, if you guys want, go to recusin sellers, probably get 10 off. I'm sure it'll work. Um, um. So all right. So let's get to the uh title, the, the lead story. Um, charlie kirk made a comment today or we saw it online today where he said the antidote to feminism is our lady. And it was, uh, I mean, it's still very evangelical, protestant d, but I thought it was an and it was. I mean, it's still very evangelical Protestant-y, but I thought it was an interesting conversation, it was an interesting segment that he spoke about and Rob brought up he goes, you know, I bet, because we kind of trashed Knowles a little bit. We were critical, yeah, yeah, I didn't trash him, but we were critical of Knowles in his conversation with Charlie Kirk because we didn't trash him, but we were critical of knolls in his conversation with charlie kirk because, um, we didn't think. I didn't think uh, no, no, I think you were too.
Speaker 4:We were both critical, we didn't think no I think I was more critical than you yeah, probably because you're, you're mean, yeah, um and we just thought knolls could have pushed a little harder and he was like too concerned with charlie's feelings and not thinking about like the broader argument at the time. So but let's play it, and then we'll play a clip from um from the noel's kirk thing.
Speaker 6:That's kind of relevant but let me first say I think we as protestant evangelicals under venerate mary. She was very important. She was a vessel for our Lord and Savior. I think that we, as evangelicals and Protestants, we've overcorrected. We don't talk about Mary enough, we don't venerate her enough. Mary was clearly important to early Christians. There's something there. In fact, I believe one of the ways that we fix toxic feminism in America is Mary is the solution. Have more young ladies, be pious, be reverent, be full of faith, slow to anger, slow to words at times. Mary is a phenomenal example and, I think, a counter to so much of the toxicity of feminism in the modern era now.
Speaker 2:Well, what was I never?
Speaker 4:know what's gonna come up from. Yeah, yeah I, I cut it off, but I okay. So a couple things. I I don't want to overplay this and be like oh, charlie kirk, like it, look yeah he still sucks, he still sucks. He's still like we as's still like. We, as evangelicals have all been correct.
Speaker 2:She was a vessel.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like I don't want to overstate what actually happened here, but it's kind of like the slippery slope once somebody starts going in that direction.
Speaker 2:Mary is the slippery slope to Catholicism.
Speaker 4:Yeah, dude, once you start softening your heart to our lady, she kind of comes through with a two by four and next thing you know you're on your knees worshiping her. It is what it is, guys. I don't know what to tell you that's gonna be clipped by. Uh, I don't care I have no qualms telling protestants I worship mary, like I, it's true, I worship her. I don't care.
Speaker 4:I mean Catholics, clearly know you don't worship her with Latria, but yeah, yeah, but I worship her and love her in the same way I worship and love my wife, like I have said, simp.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man.
Speaker 4:I have said. Like, when it comes to like filial love, like I love our lady as much as jesus, like I don't, like it would like asking me to pick which one I love more would be like asking me which child I love more. Like it's not I have I have. Like I understand christ is my savior and redeemer and that I like I get that, but like on a filial piety level, like I have such a devotion to our lady and such a love for her, like you couldn't, I couldn't say I love her less than Jesus. Like I, just I don't, I love them both right the same. You know, yeah, I'm a, yeah, I'm a mama's boy when it comes to our lady, um, it's one of those things where I think even like if somebody blasphemed and disrespected Christ in front of me depending on the context, I might tolerate it when, if somebody disrespected our lady in front of me, I might knock their teeth out.
Speaker 2:Well, it depends, like someone who's going to disrespect. Christ is probably.
Speaker 4:I've had people say GD in front of me. I've had people say in front of me.
Speaker 2:Right, I've had people disrespect gd in front of me. I've had people okay, okay, well, in front of me right, I've had people disrespect our lord in front of me. It's a little different than an elder, one of the older brothers, saying he's uh burning, yeah very. That's why I said context dependent.
Speaker 4:Look, I was at a party one time, um, and I had my children there, and my friend's wife started saying gd in front of my children and I just went, look, I'm like it's like one of those, one of those things where, like my kids are around, like it's a very easy one to not say, like I don't care if you drop the f word in front of my kids, they'll hear something like that. But please don't take the laws.
Speaker 4:They're not telling family, they hear that I mean come on, and she freaking lost it don't. Who are you? It was like evil came out in her. Like who are you?
Speaker 4:to tell me what I can and can't say in my house. And you know what it's nice seeing you guys. I'm out of here. I took my kids and I left and it was. It was awkward, it was very awkward, but I was like I'm not going to sit here while you're taking the Lord's name in vain in front of my children. And now you're, now you're angry at me because I asked you not to do it like it was like a, like a. It was a really awkward moment. I said let me just take my kids and get the hell out of you. Nicole wasn't with me, um, but and uh it's interesting because I've seen them since then I never got an apology, nothing, you know. The husband apologized, apologized to me, but the wife never did.
Speaker 4:But if somebody disrespected our lady like there was somebody going, like passing a picture of a broken Blessed Mother statue a while ago, like passing that around on Twitter and I said if somebody ever did this intentionally in front of me, like I would punch them in the face if you broke a statue of our lady intentionally in front of me, like we are now fighting, there is no chance. I would like there is no chance we're not fighting If you did that in front of me. So I don't know. It's one of those things now. So I do think before yeah, so I don't want to overplay what Charlie Kirk is doing, but it is one of those things where you see kind of every protestant that that, that kind of just softens their heart to our lady.
Speaker 2:Our lady has a way of well, uh, taylor marshall, his conversion started when he started praying the rosary, isn't it?
Speaker 4:oh well, if you saw, I mean, if you get to the point where you're praying the rosary, but also, uh, somebody.
Speaker 2:That's why I sent my my uh black monk rosary to uh lore lodge guy did you.
Speaker 4:That's a good idea, because that's a. That's a if you guys don't have one, because I know he likes the templars sent that. You know he's blessed and everything sent that to him if you guys don't have a black monk rosary, they are. You've never had a rosary like this, like when I got mine. Even even rob's gonna show you right now this is my other one. Okay, that looks like plastic.
Speaker 2:They're steel well, so the crusader one I had was steel. This is stone. So I mean you could beat someone to death with one. I'm not saying saying you should, but you could beat someone to death with one.
Speaker 4:The thing weighs a good four pounds, like a solid four or five pounds. I tried carrying it in my pocket a few days.
Speaker 2:I'm like, this is not really a pocket rosary.
Speaker 4:It's a serious rosary. It's the most serious rosary I've ever had, but it's yeah. So if a Protestant starts praying the rosary, they're already there. There's no such thing as a Protestant that prays the rosary and doesn't end up Catholic. You can't, it's not possible. Agreed, but somebody even in the comments and I had seen a few people said it today in my thread where I posted the Charlie Kirk thing, that some people live locally to him and he's been going to daily mass. Yes, not.
Speaker 2:And when we say that we don't necessarily mean every like daily, but he's been going to weekday masses, yeah um, but wait, where is it?
Speaker 4:somebody said so apparently his wife, I think, is. Oh, here it is. Charlie kirk's wife has been attending catholic mass regularly and he's been seen with her multiple times in recent months. This is in arizona now. Look, the prayers of a faithful wife can have a very heavy effect on the, on the heart of a man wait, did you just say his wife is catholic?
Speaker 4:I don't know if she's catholic. She's attending catholic mass though. Oh, his wife is attending cath Mass, so maybe his wife's heart is softening to it and it's going to end up. You know, it just might be one of those things.
Speaker 2:Tim or Peterson first, if you had to put money on it.
Speaker 4:I say Kirk first. I think so too I think Peterson's too, stubborn. Yeah, I think Peterson's too stubborn and prideful, I would say. But there's also an element where you hope Kirk isn't just playing to the audience because he knows he has a large Catholic audience, but I mean he's also risking offending his Protestant audience. He thinks he's saying it gently, but I saw the Protestant comments underneath. How could he?
Speaker 2:even Rome thinks that Mary is a god, like the nonsense that they say I don't think they realize, like I have a feeling those type of responses is what permanently lost. Um, uh, what's his name? Cameron bertuzzi to them. Oh yeah, you know, I think they just end up like pushing them away as soon as they see that there might be some sort of draw to catholicism in them.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, it's like, but dude, those are such low iq arguments though, like when people like you guys worship me.
Speaker 2:It's the dumbest, it's like dude, you don't like those are the dumbest.
Speaker 4:First off, there is pagan catholicism going on and we are going to talk about that is there is.
Speaker 2:I should have shown up in a yeti costume there is well.
Speaker 4:No, I'm not even talking about that I know, but that would have been funny. Not even talking about that, that's. That's just weird nonsense. We will talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 2:But like there is, I think, kind of alex marado was pagan catholic, oh yeah, like I think that was pagan a thousand charlie, apologize in advance if you're listening we're so sorry for table of plenty on eagle's wings bring that man to a latin mass. Nobody let him go to the first anthony says if they have a guitar in the music ministry you cannot attend okay, um, oh my god, grover, shut up.
Speaker 4:Are you guys even reacted? To drama. These days, you guys even prepare for this show no, since when have we ever grover?
Speaker 2:you either? Come on as a guest with your.
Speaker 4:I want grover's face on screen or we're not going to highlight his comments anymore.
Speaker 2:Did we want to play the Knowles?
Speaker 4:Yeah, so let's do the let's do the Knowles clip, because I thought, because Rob had said to me he goes. I wonder if there was anything interesting in the Knowles conversation where where they talk about Mary, and there was. So it's only a short it's only a short.
Speaker 2:It's only a short segment that I pulled, but it's like. It's like a two-minute clip, but there was something interesting in it. I will preface this by saying it's still not how I would ever talk to someone you know, even if they are a friend about it. But but I don't know, let's play, let's play and then we'll critique it this is something, charlie, that you know.
Speaker 7:We mackerel snappers we get, we don't need to, we don't need to, you know, reinvent the wheel. Every year we got 2 000 years of people, who are much smarter than you and I who have thought this um, okay.
Speaker 4:So somebody in the audience had asked him michael, how can I help spread, uh, love for the eucharist? So that was the question and michael like kind of went off and he was like, oh wow, this is like an amazing question. I thought you were going to ask me, how do you start a podcast? And I was going to tell you, don't. He's like, but the great thing about being catholic is you don't actually have to do anything on your own, you can just reach into the tradition. And that's where he picks up okay, I've debated these questions.
Speaker 7:So if you just bring that, if you convey that I'm trying to sell Charlie on this right now, I know I'm answering you, but I'm really speaking to Charlie. If you just do that, that's all you're doing. You're just telling the story. You're telling the greatest story ever told and you have the deposit of faith and you have the magisterium behind you as a hermeneutic of interpretation. But just do that, you know, and do that in sincerity and do that with the best of your effort, and I think it'll be wonderful.
Speaker 6:As an evangelical who loves Catholics, I love that you're doing it, but let me just, let me just edit. Here's the but. Here's the. It's a big one. You didn't catch it, michael is that your goal should be to bring people to Jesus, not Catholicism. No hold on. What's the difference? What's the Hold on? Hold on, I'm not saying that they're contradictory, but your goal should not be to bring people to a specific sect of Christianity. It is to bring people to the cross.
Speaker 7:You're saying, to bring people to the fullness of the truth and the universe but not not the maxims of every Catholic dogma.
Speaker 6:No, I mean. For example, am I a Christian if I don't believe in Mariology? No.
Speaker 7:Well, we're talking about the fullness of the truth, all right, but you still look.
Speaker 4:Our main criticism of Knowles in this was that he was too concerned with Charlie and offending Charlie, yeah, and not enough. Concerned with presenting the Catholic faith to the larger audience, right, but maybe what he was doing was the right thing to do, because he was caring for the soul in front of him, somebody he knows and cares about, and he's like I know I can handle this one Right. And then, through Charlie's conversion, the audience, yeah, yeah. It's like. It's like because no, no.
Speaker 2:I still wouldn't answer any of my friends the way he answered Of course not.
Speaker 4:You know he's in a tricky spot. Listen to me I. We could all say what we would do right, you don't say what we would do, but when we had lore lodge on and he was spouting some of the ridiculous things he was, he was like all right, I pushed him more than you did. I'm just saying like it's hard to not maintain like they weren't setting up for a fight. Like charlie was a jerk in that conversation. He kind of looked foolish harley's eyes. You have two completely different temperaments, though, yeah we do so.
Speaker 4:Like in that conversation, though, charlie was like kind of badgering michael and michael and, and the thing is in the larger perspective of that conversation, michael came off looking gentle and sane and Charlie came off looking like an idiot. You know like because I remember going through that conversation to be like Charlie, you're just making a fool of yourself right now. But Michael was focused on his friend Charlie, like he really was and he was and he didn't lie. So, like when Charlie said, if I don't believe in Mariology, am I still a Christian lie. So like when charlie said, if I don't believe in mariology, am I still a christian, michael was like whoa. You know we're talking about the fullness here. So, all right, I'm gonna say this maybe I was a little too harsh on knolls and if I was, I apologize.
Speaker 4:Uh, unless he never invites you on the show, then you should have been hard right no, if charlie kirk never converts to michael, you were a dummy and you should have went harder. That's how it goes. But if we see a Charlie Kirk conversion, I'll give you a retroactive apology, and that's how it's going to work.
Speaker 2:Why is it we always see, like the Gregorius, friendly Sicilian from Michael Knowles and never the angry fire spitting Sicilian from Michael Knowles? You?
Speaker 4:get, you get. Yeah, I like I give you guys a variety why has he never gone to someone?
Speaker 2:stop it.
Speaker 4:It's gay, yeah, like I kind of I try to give you guys the variety, like I give you guys the friendly, like you know, the jolly, everybody get along italian and then I kind of I do that fire spitting italian thing too. Um yeah, I don't know, I don't know it's, you know, I think uh too. Um yeah, I don't know, I don't know it's, you know, I think, uh, I think you know what else I'm worried about, though, like when I do those like I don't want it to be is catholic right?
Speaker 4:uh, did you see jack posobic posting?
Speaker 2:like if he's not practicing, like I know his brother, kevin, definitely is no, jack posobic is a.
Speaker 4:Yeah, he's catholic, he's oh, it's not. Just I believe he goes to latin mass. Yeah, no, I I. The thing is, those guys will like politics comes before their religion, I think yeah, I agree, uh, like those guys, the like this, this, the bannons and the posobics, and like I, like jack posobic, but like their politics comes before, they're really in my opinion. I mean, I don't know their hearts, but it seems that way it seems like they'll publicly they publicly.
Speaker 4:They'll criticize leo. They would never criticize trump. It's like I'm okay with you criticizing leo, but like, criticize trump. Like I mean like, criticize Trump, I'm just saying like, but they're, they're like I like Posobiec too. I'm not saying I don't like Posobiec, I'm saying I want to see consistency. It's like if you see something wrong, you can criticize it, but be consistent, like, don't just be like a Magatard where it's just like well, I just go along with whatever, whatever, whatever Trump, whatever trump does I gotta be on the team. You know like, if that's the case, then you should be on the team, no matter what, with catholicism too I mean, say what you want about leo, comparisons of francis, whatever, whatnot, of him and trump.
Speaker 2:There's only one of the two that I think might be in the epstein files. It's true, and it's not leo yeah, it's definitely not leo.
Speaker 4:Um, yeah, I mean trump. We don't have to do a trump episode, but we're gonna do a trump episode next thursday when nick comes. Yeah, we'll save that for nick. Yeah, nick's. Nick's coming back on next thursday he's got some big news. We don't know what it is yet yeah, he won't tell us his bum, like he won't even give us a sneak preview at it even when I asked like don't we get enough?
Speaker 4:yeah, he's like oh, I got some good news. He's like I can, I can tell you guys, next week we're like do we have to wait?
Speaker 2:he's like what do you mean?
Speaker 4:I'm like we're your friends do we have to like to me and to me and rob have to wait, like you tell us personally like come on no, not fuentes, fuentes, fuentes wants nothing to do with us. Um the uh yeah you know, that's not a bad point.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's not a bad point nick won't tell because aunt will spoil. I almost considered like texting nick. I'm like if you don't feel comfortable telling aunt, you can at least tell me I would. I would probably blow his spot.
Speaker 4:You know what if it wasn't like super secret, like it depends? It depends the level of secrecy. I will say this I'm glad you didn't tell me, I'm glad you told majority not to show me those text messages I.
Speaker 2:I gotta admit, though, I'm not perfect, so someone sent me.
Speaker 4:Never mind, no one else will get the story rob, rob, the, the text messages, the voice of reason, text messages. Rob was like look, he gave me, like the, the idea of what was happening. He goes and he's like but like you gotta see this. I said, and he's like I can't send you the text message. I was like you know what, don't send them to me because and I'm glad he didn't, because if I had read those I would have, I would. It would have been too hard, for, like I would have been seething, you would have went on a rant in the middle of an episode.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna loss like this freaking pervert.
Speaker 4:He's still going out on youth retreats I'd be texting majorian.
Speaker 4:You got to release it now, ants might have been one of those situations the um, I'm also concerned with, like the angry sicilian thing becoming a bit you're like I only want to do that when I'm genuinely angry, like I don't want to just do it because people find you've only ever really done it. Twice it was, and then um I did voice a reason before, before this most recent time, like the when he went on janko yeah, you didn't do the like you didn't, it was.
Speaker 2:Whatever you said about him was very different than when you Say what you said about Loft and the ones, and then what you said about Eric McCabe yeah, that's what. Well, even I don't think.
Speaker 4:I got that angry at Eric McCabe, I was just disappointed yeah, but everything's better now. Yeah, everything is better. And Interestingly, he came out with an episode Saying how we saved his soul, and I think we saved voice of reason soul too I'm not gonna go back.
Speaker 2:I think and I don't I'm not I'm not. I'm not saying that as in, like I don't think he's going to repent or anything. I just mean like I'm not gonna take any credit for it, I think.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you're going to take credit, he will. I'm not saying I'm taking credit. I think down the line he will credit us Someone clip this.
Speaker 2:We need this as a prediction, in case it happens.
Speaker 4:I'll make your prediction. Down the line, he will say they contributed to saving myself. I'm just making the prediction, that's all I'm saying. It's me taking prediction. That's all I'm saying. The credit is wild.
Speaker 2:Does it surprise?
Speaker 4:anyone. Guys, I'm goofing around. It's just been a bit, it's just look, I struggle with being loyal.
Speaker 2:Here's my prediction no matter what happens, with a voice of reason, he is going to hate our guts forever.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think so you know who else hates us. It's Pipe Cottage. Pipe Cottage didn't just leave a comment on our video, he left a comment on Joe McClain's video. So I called into Joe McClain's show the other morning to discuss the situation and Pipe Cottage left the same comment on Joe McClan's video that he did on ours. I love watching this channel. Why?
Speaker 4:to see your reactions from anthony okay, so I was actually speaking with um steve uh skojek and so steve skojek had a uh, he wrote a sub stack the other day. He wrote a sub stack the other day of steve skojek wrote, uh a sub stack the other day. Uh, I mean, this kind of goes with the life side stuff. But just discussing like the thing with it wasn't actually life side, it was stephen cox wrote uh an article critical of pope leo with the um the votive mass for creation yeah, and it when you actually read the article like it was a votive mass.
Speaker 4:It wasn't like the way stephen cox framed.
Speaker 2:It sounded like they made a new right, like an Amazonian right for creation or something One of like two, three, four dozen different votive masses you can see.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's literally just like and it wasn't about climate change or anything like that, it was like just being good stewards of the earth. Literally like, just conservation. There's nothing wrong with caring about conservation as a Catholic. There's just conservation. There's nothing wrong with like caring about conservation as a cat. There's just not like you should actually care about your local environment very much.
Speaker 2:Like if it had come out a hundred years ago. No big deal, but because we live in such a weird politically charged age and environmentalism for some reason automatically gets put on the left hand side of things by people.
Speaker 4:They think that there was nothing. There was nothing about carbon footprints, it was nothing like that. It was just about like care for the, care for creation and care for your local, whatever. So steve was just like like remembering when he ran one peter five. Just how like the outrage machine, right, uh, just like you, would I say, like way too much guys.
Speaker 4:I'm sorry, I like when I go back please like and subscribe everyone when I go back and listen to myself, all I hear is like it freaking drives me nuts. I'm like holy cow. How do I keep saying it? So I'm gonna try not to um the outrage machine where he would go through things and just look for things to get upset about, because that is actually what drives clicks and people feed on negativity and outrage. Right, and I I messaged him and I said I just I just read your sub stack. I said rob and I have actually been talking about this lately and we're getting away from discussing leo and what, what's going on in the church and stuff, and going more towards something like we did tonight with charlie kirk. Right, like we're going to find interesting things on the internet that we think we could bring a catholic perspective to and we're gonna, you know, play a video clip and then hope it leads to a conversation.
Speaker 4:We're gonna get away from church drama specifically, like I mean, look, if something happens in catholic inc. We're gonna talk about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's. But like the, the end of francis was a nice reset kind of it was it, it was, I don't know. It does make you look at things from a different perspective.
Speaker 4:It's just. It's just the the. You're not waking up every day to see something Francis said to piss you off. Right, it's like. Look, like I said, I think Leo is a bit of a boring Pope, but maybe we need a boring Pope. You know, I don't think he's going to save the church, but he's also not like adding fuel to an already toxic environment.
Speaker 2:And you look, he says mass facing at Orient them the other day, and little gestures like that actually do matter, especially when this bishop in Castile or Gandolfo yeah. So Francis avoided that place like the plague for 12 years they were like what's his name?
Speaker 4:Francis avoided that place like the plague for 12 years. What's his name? Cale just sent us an article from Mark, from Catholic, Unscripted, actually no it wasn't from them.
Speaker 4:It was from an Italian site that basically said the error of fake pauperism, fake know, fake, uh, fake poverty. Fake poverty is over. Yeah, pretending you're poor and we can't go to castel gondolfo and I can't, you know, I have to live in the in, in the, in the. I can't live, you know, in the papal palace anymore. I have to because you know, it's just, it's faux poverty, it's uh virtue signaling false humility, and it was like a relief, like that period is done. So, but what I said, what I said to steve, was um, what I said to steve was I.
Speaker 4:I never got into podcasting because I wanted to be a critic of the church. That's not why I got into it. Like, my actual reason I got into it is because I always wanted to do radio. Like I always wanted to do radio, I was a very big talk radio guy when I was younger and I always thought I could do it. And the video element makes it even more fun for me. I really do enjoy being able to play a clip and then comment on it. So to me I don't care video there you go.
Speaker 4:I don't like being alone on video. I, I, it is, it was it's. It is really strange doing those stupid videos from the truck because half the time it's 105 degrees and I'm drenched in sweat and I have to put the camera on and like I haven't shaved and I look terrible and I'm just like, all right, I'm gonna do a stupid video from the truck and I'm like I don't want to look at the camera while I do. It's a really awkward thing, but the reason I got it yeah, this is like Paul that that is the inspiration for it um, listening to them. And so I still want to interview Anthony Cumia, but you know, if you drink every time, I say like you guys will be crocs before the first hour is over yeah, we can't promote.
Speaker 2:We can't promote sin like can't promote drunkenness.
Speaker 4:Um the yeah, the reason I got into this was because I thought I could do radio and I I our show. Rob and I have been very specific in telling people we are not an apostolate, we're not a ministry, we're not any of that, we're an entertainment show. That's it. We're just two friends that are doing an entertainment show. We find interesting things to talk about.
Speaker 2:It's kind of just like it's a lot easier for Anthony and I to justify to our conversations with each other to our wives when we make a little bit of money from it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah. Well, I also don't want to sell Jesus right Like I don't want to sell my Catholic faith, either I'm being, I don't.
Speaker 2:I don't ever want to be. Then there's that drive to put on an air of Catholicism right If that's what you're selling then you need to have more of it to sell more of it look, the thing is you can tune into this show.
Speaker 4:You'll never hear cursing. You'll never hear unless tim gordon's on. You'll never hear blasphemy, you'll never hear. You'll never hear like um smut or anything like that.
Speaker 2:So you know you will hear women jokes, especially about drivers. You'll hear jokes about well, anthony will do chinese priest impressions. We don't bring up native americans anymore for a very strong reason we do the amish talk over on locals but.
Speaker 4:I think our humor is still appropriate as catholics like? I don't think it's. I think I think we tow a very fine line. Sometimes we may push it a little bit, but I don't think it's like too far gone where it's, it's edgy for us for like political correct society, but yeah, for catholicism.
Speaker 2:I think it is fine, I think, I think, except maybe the pigeon, the pigeon bible, that's on that line.
Speaker 4:That was one of the funniest episodes we've ever done oh, it's so funny, but it is robert, you don't know what the pigeon bible is robert. Just look up hawaiian pigeon bible and you'll find our on our channel on our show. Yeah, but just just google like search that on youtube, you'll find, you'll find our video. There's nobody else that ever did it, never hear cars except those times you've had to apologize for your language, rob.
Speaker 4:Rob has a potty mouth. I'm pretty. Somebody said I I took the lord's name in vain the other day I guess I said oh my, like I tried to say oh my gosh, I think you did what. I think I think it was just accidental, like I just yeah. But I don't ever say that in unless it's a total accident.
Speaker 2:I make a point to say, I think you might have actually been quoting someone and you just didn't really yeah it wasn't like I, I was just throwing it out there, but, um, all right, so we can.
Speaker 4:Yeah, uh, michael, uh, I, maybe you know more than we do about the charlie kirk situation. Let's hope, uh, let's hope you do. Um, all right, so we also have.
Speaker 2:Let's see what else did we have on this channel or on this side for this side, because we do have stuff for local.
Speaker 4:Like, honestly, I don't have work tomorrow. Rob's in for a long one. Locals is going to be a full local show, but I have a lot of thoughts about things that I don't want to discuss.
Speaker 2:I don't want. I didn't want this. Oh oh, you know we could. If you want to do another 15 minutes here just to round up the hour, we could talk about the guy I thought was your co-, worker.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, I think we should do the the idiot at the coldplay concert though you don't want to save that for your old stuff on sexual sins in the next on locals no, it'll be a good good way to segue into it and we only have 14 minutes, so I think it'll be a good way to segue into it? Have we really done this show long enough to where we look substantially different than we did at the beginning?
Speaker 4:so okay. So yeah, listen. If you guys have never seen that video, uh, it's my second video I ever did when you were solo. Still, I was. I was solo. It was a pre-recorded video. Um, it's one of it's. It's one of my favorite like things to to discuss is the typology in the book of. In the it's really the book of matthew, but the it's, it's. It's the typology between the story of jonah and the book of matthew and the and the Pharisees say give us a sign, and Jesus says you will. This generation will only get the sign of Jonah, and it's a really interesting parallel between the book of Jonah and the. What Matthew is what Jesus is talking about in Matthew there. So if you've never seen it, I mean you got to go way back. My teeth are not fixed yet.
Speaker 2:It's a pretty, pretty wild show, but but if you want to go back to that same time period and watch a really funny show, I remastered the audio on one where anthony makes uh marriage talks about uh, marriage advice yes that was my second wait.
Speaker 4:My first video was covid. My second video was marriage advice. My third video was the, and I think it was like Christmas parades. It was titled like Christmas parades and something.
Speaker 2:That guy. That guy ran his car into the.
Speaker 4:Christmas parade Teeth not fixed. Yeah, so if you go back? So I had a chipped tooth, my front tooth was chipped. Wait, where is that I got the wrong one? My front tooth was chipped. Uh, wait, where is that I got the wrong one? My front tooth was chipped when I first started the show and I probably would have left it until I saw my face on camera and I was like I cannot, there is no way. Like when you see somebody that's bad teeth on camera, I was like there's no way, I don't care vanities, vanities, oh yes, vanities I took a.
Speaker 4:I took a loan out of my annuity to pay for my teeth that's how bad it was betty wishes he waited for the boat engine to crap out oh my gosh oh man, oh man. I could have took a loan for my annuity for that instead of my teeth. I'm so stupid still paying these stupid teeth off I got like a year left on payments for my stupid teeth. I think it was worth it, though my wife likes my smile better, so that's enough.
Speaker 2:Oh god, I'm simping again yeah um so uh, all right so also, you also just took the lord's name.
Speaker 4:Goodness, I can't.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry guys, I apologize you will never get a polished, uh unrealistic view of us guys we are what you see, yeah, tooth usually.
Speaker 4:Well, robert, the thing is, I'm paying. I'm paying the interest to myself, though. That's why I took the annuity loan, because the annuity loan the annuity loan you're paying yourself worse than the tooth fairy. You're paying yourself the interest. So if you take a loan from your annuity, you are paying a four percent interest, but you pay it to yourself like you're paying it to your own annuity. So it's not I. That's why I did it that way. Thank you, mrs c.
Speaker 2:I said gosh so now we're simping for anthony. Really I said gosh, come on I said gosh, everybody's scandalized.
Speaker 4:Um, yeah, I'm guys. I hope I didn't say I got ona fans in here, um all right.
Speaker 2:So no, I probably shouldn't show paul's all right, let's do.
Speaker 4:Let's do this idiot at the uh coldplay concert I'm sure you guys also anybody's on twitter, you saw this today. It was every other tweet was this idiot, but I thought his statement was interesting that wasn't his no, not the fake one on twitter.
Speaker 2:Right, there was a fake statement, but I have.
Speaker 4:I have his real one was funny though I saw his real statement, which is so nuts. His real statement is almost worse than the fake one.
Speaker 2:The fake one's actually kind of funny okay, I I got the video, yeah, for anybody that hasn't seen it.
Speaker 4:This is pretty wild. So this is at a Coldplay concert and the Kiss Cam comes up. Yeah, the Kiss Cam comes up.
Speaker 3:That's the moment. Either they're having an affair or they're just very shy. Oh my God, I'm not quite sure yeah.
Speaker 4:Can you believe these two morons? First off, I'm not saying he should have done this, but if they would have just stood there they would have got away with it. They would have got away with it if they just played it out. They would have just kept talking. But as soon as he saw his dumb face on camera hugging her, he would, Because the shame.
Speaker 4:That's what it is. Shame. Hit right. And the audio is actually hilarious because the lead singer of coldplay is like they're either having an affair or they're very shy and it turns out.
Speaker 2:You know, you know it was an affair. The second you see what I assume to be the co-worker standing right next to them with that face.
Speaker 4:And so what's crazy is okay. So new astronomer CEO caught on camera with his HR chief. So she's the human relations chief who's supposed to be making sure there's no inappropriate relationships at work.
Speaker 2:As someone in HR, this does not surprise me, no.
Speaker 4:Rob's got a funny HR story from work on the locals. We'll do it on locals. Can't do it here. We'll do it on locals. I'll bring it up, I'll remind you. Don't worry, I don't know if I can do it on locals even they're not on locals.
Speaker 4:All right, maybe not All right. So Astronomer's CEO caught on camera with his HR chief during a Coldplay concert in Boston. The pair was seen rushing to cover their faces in horror when they realized they were on the big screen. Oh what? Either they're having an affair or they're very shy, said Coldplay's Chris Martin. According to the HR chief's LinkedIn, she has trust with employees of all levels, from CEOs to managers.
Speaker 2:Someone's wife's water just broke right now and they're on their way to their hospital. So everyone say a couple of prayers for Christian, his wife and their child.
Speaker 4:If that's the Christian, I know Christian's blind and I don't know who's driving. The other Christian I know just got married on.
Speaker 2:Saturday, so probably not him.
Speaker 4:Well, if this is the Christian I know Christian is blind I don't know who's driving his wife to the hospital right now. I hope it's not her, because if she her water broken, she's driving to the hospital. That's a woman, I mean never mind right and in labor that never make it that. Now prayers for you guys christian.
Speaker 2:If he's blind, it might still be best for him to drive christian, don't crush it to the wind.
Speaker 4:Get behind the wheel. Don't let that woman drive you to the hospital.
Speaker 2:Let the holy spirit guide you sir.
Speaker 4:Oh, okay, he's not the blind one, just a man. You don't know me. Okay, we have a. We have a fan, christian, who's blind so many?
Speaker 2:baby. Who else is having a baby tonight? Riley says so many babies tonight so, um.
Speaker 4:According to hr chief's linkedin, she has trust with employees of all levels, from ceos to managers to assistants. Now, um, they're both married. Sure she has the ceo's trust? Yeah, well, that's the irony of it, right? So so um. So now the CEO put out a statement, um, and he says I want to acknowledge the moment that's been circulating online and the disappointment it's caused.
Speaker 4:What was supposed to be a night of music and joy turned into a deeply personal mistake playing out on a very public stage. I want to sincerely apologize to my wife, my family and the team at Astronomer. You deserve better from me as a partner, as a father and as a leader. This is not who I want to be or how I want to represent the company I helped build. I'm taking time to reflect, to take accountability and to figure out the next steps, personally and professionally. I ask for privacy as I navigate this process.
Speaker 4:Now, if he had just left it there. If he had just left it there. This is why, look, you guys think I'm joking. You guys think I'm joking. I don't think you're joking. I think you're delusional. I need to start avoiding battle on public relations crisis management, because I will tell you people how to handle these things, because if you would have just left it there, you'd have been fine. Just leave it there. But he has to throw his little quip in at the end to completely negate everything he just said, which was. I also want to express how troubling it is that what should have been a private moment became public without my consent. You were in public, you idiot.
Speaker 2:How stupid can you be? You were in public, it's by definition, not private.
Speaker 4:Man, how Okay. So I want to express how troubling it is that what I, what should have been a private moment, became a public without my consent. Respect artists and entertainers, but I hope we can all think more deeply about the impact of turning someone else's life into a spectacle. As a friend, once sang lights will guide you home and ignite your bones, and I will try to fix you, andy. I don't know what the hell that was that? Oh, is that andy from Buzz Lightyear or something?
Speaker 2:What? No, his name is Andy Bryan. Oh, I thought it was like a Buzz Lightyear quote, or?
Speaker 4:something. I imagine that's a quote from Coldplay oh, maybe, yeah, yeah, yeah, I need to have a PR firm. Look, if I had a PR firm, lifesite would have came out of this, where LifeSite would have had a brand new mission, and they'd have been fine, john Henry.
Speaker 2:Weston also. It really was just their original mission.
Speaker 4:But regardless, they both would have came out. John Henry Weston could have had a nice solo career. Lifesite News would have been doing their thing. Everybody would have been happy. No, nothing bad happened Now, look, I'm going to say something else. Why, I don't know. Nothing bad happened Now. Look, I'm going to say something else. You go to Buzz Lightyear, why?
Speaker 2:I don't know why you came up with Buzz Lightyear. Andy, I don't know.
Speaker 4:Andy was a kid, you know, in Buzz Lightyear.
Speaker 2:First off, it's a toy story.
Speaker 4:Andy was a kid in a toy story. He's been here, stop it. So I'm not saying I should have done this, but I could have helped Alex Harada also Not that I should have, but I could have, and in fact I think nevermind, I won't even say it, but I could have. I could have helped him curate a statement. That would have salvaged something, because these people just don't understand how public perception works none of them do. They all just like everything this guy said how I want to express how troubling it is that what I, what should have been a private moment, became public without my consent. Are you out of your mind? Like you're cheating on your wife and your?
Speaker 2:your gripe is that your spot was blown well, that's similar to another statement we've heard recently that's.
Speaker 4:That's what I mean. Like you're, you're not like, think about your wife. Right now you're more upset that your spot was blown than what you actually did. It's not? Oh my gosh, I cannot believe I, like you destroyed two families. You selfish POS. You destroyed two families. You ruined your children for life. Your children Look when, when, when, when people cheat. It's not just that the parents separate, it's that you taught your kids that if something feels good, like you, go and do whatever. Feel. Like you don't make any sacrifice for anything. You go and do what you want to do. You make yourself feel good, screw everybody around you. You don't make any sacrifices for anybody. It's just about you Like. That's just the lesson you teach your children. You scarred your wife. Your, your wife's now gonna go leave and she's probably gonna end up with some other guy and then she's gonna get run through by man after man. And now your daughters are gonna watch your wife get just run through by other men and your daughters are gonna have no chance at a successful and that's monogamous marriage.
Speaker 2:That's the case do you know the rates of sexual abuse by stepfathers?
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah, yeah, it depends on how old his kids are. Yeah, like when you talk, when you talk about, uh, abuse in the home, a lot of it is step parents, because these women don't know the men that they're getting themselves involved with. It's not the, it's not the real father of the child. I mean, you see it all the time, especially if you have a girl who's seven or eight, when the, when the new guy comes in and then he's watching the girl become a teenager, like that's not his blood. He's sitting there. He's why he's a men. Modern men are disgusting. They're disgusting creeps. Ladies, it is very difficult to find a man who is not a disgusting creep in the modern age. It just is. I mean, I don't know man, I'm so worried about my daughters, you have no idea, it's just, I'm just so worried about them.
Speaker 4:But this is going to lead into a very important conversation that we're going to have on Locals. We're at the one hour mark. If you guys are not Local subscribers, I want you guys to come over there. Even if you do a single time episode, this might be the episode you want to check out. It's going to be a good one.
Speaker 4:I want to discuss something deeper about the Alex Harado situation Not necessarily about him, but what is going on when we commit sexual sin. It's not simply just you're giving into your lower appetites. It's not simply just that you're being selfish. It's something much deeper and it's why there's a very strong line for sexual sin when people are the public speaking face for Catholicism. So we're going to get into that. We're also going to Rob and I have a little bit of a different perspective on the life site thing, uh. But I don't want to do that on locals either, because I don't want it to seem like we're taking sides. So if you guys are not locals members, this is definitely a good show to come and check us out I don't think we should use the other intro even then, but it was funny.
Speaker 4:No, we can do it on locals. Taffy made a very okay, let me get it ready real quick. Get it ready, taffy. Taffy made an intro that we I'm like we can't play that. No, but I think we can do it for the locals audience. Um, yeah, we'll do it on locals, taffy, we got you. Um, so, uh, yeah, we have a bit of a different perspective on the life site thing and uh and uh, yeah, we'll do the gun story also, because I had a very crazy incident happen on my work site a year or two ago if you guys are new to the show, where a guy was arrested at my like.
Speaker 4:We came into work one morning and swat was there and this, like our whole yard, was getting. There was a search warrant. We were told we had to wait outside, we couldn't come in and they raided our yard and I'll explain that story. So join us over on locals. I think that's about it. That's all we have to promote, like and subscribe. Share this video with your friends. If you enjoy us, help us become the fastest growing Catholic channel on YouTube.
Speaker 3:We become the fastest growing Catholic channel on YouTube. We will see you guys on the other side. Rob, take us out. Thank you. Subtitles by the Amaraorg community. Subtitles by the Amaraorg community. Subtitles by the Amaraorg community. Subtitles by the Amaraorg community. Subtitles by the Amaraorg community. Gentlemen, this is exactly the type of reverse sexual harassment case in which the Constitution of the United States of America is being thrown right out the window. Cool yeah, throw it out the window, boys, we are going to sue the girl, we are going to sue the school system and we are going to sue the girl's parents. Whoa, that rules, yeah.
Speaker 2:Don't give me that face.
Speaker 4:You told me to play in. I can't believe you had the nerve to play that inappropriate intro. Rob, I have, if I, if I told you guys something right now drinking the gayest drink in the world what?
Speaker 2:are you drinking? Is it a wine cooler? It's worse is zima, oh it's not as bad as zima so it goes so it goes okay. I've got my dagger and bear's blood ready guys, wait, they got their. What wait, I gotta get all their blood they're making a joke that this is where we do the the yeti blood oath. All right, we will, we will. Oh that Wait, I got to get over here. They're making a joke that this is where we do the Yeti blood oath?
Speaker 4:All right, we will. Oh, that's a good one to discuss over here. I got time. I'm off tomorrow.
Speaker 2:Oh yay.
Speaker 4:Wait, let me. Oh no, I went the wrong way. Hang on, I got to go back, Log in with email. I want to pull the chat. He says you're such a girl, the poorest. I don't care, I have no shame. No shame about my drinking habits. Uh, okay, here we go. We got the chat up, uh, all right. So okay, here's. Here's whoa, whoa whoa hold on.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they all, they, they all guessed. Right, they all guessed you were drinking a white cloth.
Speaker 4:Wait, uh okay, all right. So, uh, here's here's kind of. I woke up the other morning really like angry at, like everybody in Catholic Inc. And I don't mean like I don't mean like Amber Rose or whatever her name is Amber, I mean like Lila Rose and I mean Matt frat, like every. I was furious, like I was like I was like like I was very happy to see Joe Hashmeyer come out and put that video out today, like I really was. I like you got you guys all promoted this guy. Like you all have an obligation to make a statement yep like, absolutely, you have an obligation to make a statement.
Speaker 4:And I was just like, I was like how? Like, do any of you care about any of this stuff? Or you all just social media stars?
Speaker 2:like I don't know a lot of the roads, would rather discuss the uh astronomer ceo clip than she would discuss um voice of reason.
Speaker 4:It's just, it's just crazy to me, like oh, I just I just felt like there's so much much like fakeness in this whole realm, like it's so freaking fake and I was like really, really angry about it um multiple clips in the last couple months not taken down yet.
Speaker 2:Well, not clips, they're out. Those are hour-long shows, three hours, three over three and a half hours, with uh voice of reason in the last and and somebody actually said to me that like alex was like raising her up a bit and she was.
Speaker 4:I did hear that too. Yeah, listen to me, this is. This is why I'm saying, like you have a 29 year old guy, a 29 year old girl. She's married, he's single. They're flirting on screen. Like don't tell me, they're not, they're flirting. He's trying to make her laugh and she is laughing like that is flirting. I don't care if your husband's standing there, like if I, if I'm sitting there, my wife's like getting rizzed up by some guy. I'm like like what is going on here? Like what do you? What is this? Like I wouldn't be okay with it.
Speaker 4:I said the same criticism of michael knowles when he had that knowledge at go. Michael Knowles was being charming to her. He's a Sicilian, he can't help it. He's being charming to her. You know, I went out recently with a friend launching a cigar line and he asked all the guys from work to come and we went to this restaurant and we're all hanging out and a couple of he had like these models that were there, like they were just there and like one of them came over and started talking to us and I was just like I can't, even, I'm not gonna even have a conversation, because I know myself like I had two drinks and I'm like I'm, I'm walking away like I was very cautious to not even because I know I would have, just like I would have just tried to be funny because it's just my instinct to try and be funny, and next thing you know she's laughing like, nope, not even going to have a conversation. I walked away. I went and talked to my friends like it's just inappropriate for a married woman to be having a conversation with a single guy like that. In my opinion, I mean, maybe there's exceptions, but it's just very few. I think, yeah, it's just kind of how I, I, I see it. I mean maybe, look, I don't whatever. I know that a lot of these conversations happen and I'm not calling anybody out specifically any other than that two stances, it's just, it's it to me when I see it, I see going on, um now.
Speaker 4:So I woke up with that feeling and I was just grappling with why is this such a big deal? Um, and I listened to matt. Frat had a priest on and they were talking. Matt asked the priest like why are sexual sins like so shameful? And the priest got into like aquinas and stuff, and he was like, um, it's like you know well, and I think christian wagner talked about this on our show the other night and he was like, uh, you know he talks about it like, going to the like, you become an animal right, like you're going on your base instincts. But I think it's deeper than that and I don't know if any of any of the fathers or doctors of the church have ever talked about this.
Speaker 4:But there's a reason why paganism always had sex ritual, like all paganism dealt with human sacrifice or sex ritual, still does, still does right.
Speaker 4:So when you, when you look at all these, like um, weird, um, even abortion, that's a sexual human sacrifice, but I, but the sex ritual stuff, if you're a public face of Catholicism and you're going out and you're talking about the faith and you know all of the arguments and you have this extensive knowledge of the faith and you're going through the motions acting like you believe it of the faith and you're going through the motions, acting like you believe it, but then behind the scenes, you're using the faith to manipulate women, like the one of the craziest things about alex was he was using christopher west's language and theology of the body to get these women to fall for his nonsense. Like when the women would suspect something was wrong. They're like I don't, you know, I like the women had guilt about it. They were like this isn't right, you know we shouldn't do this. And he's like no, no, no, these are actually natural urges like this is actually a good thing and this will it.
Speaker 4:This will increase the holy spirit will bring us closer yeah, like this is all stuff he learned from christopher west, which is so wild. He was gonna do that show with christopher west that he so they did a show. They did a show and it was going to come out the day that all the freaking, all this stuff came out. So it was previewed to come up on theology of the body's youtube channel and I wanted to watch that freaking show. So bad.
Speaker 4:I was like please, don't let them pull this down, please the comment section would have been amazing insane, right, but what alex did was take because christopher west there's a difference in christopher west's theology of the body and pope john paul ii like john paul ii. What I learned from John Paul II was, like God, from all eternity, before he creates anything, is a family Right. So like the Trinity, like what is the Trinity? It's a father and son in this loving relationship and that exchange of love is the Holy Spirit and it's like so when God creates man in his image, what he's creating us in that image is the family.
Speaker 4:And it had, like this very deep impact on me where it was OK. So I will be judged by the type of husband and father I am, like that is the most important role I play in my entire life. When I face God, he will ask me how did you function in my image as husband and father? So I had a very deep impact on me. The other thing was it helped me understand, uh, artificial birth control in ways I didn't before, where you know the whole total gift of self stuff. It's like you know, christ doesn't hold himself back on the cross and if you are holding something back like, you're not giving yourself as a full like. So that was the stuff I got that was positive from theology of the body. But what christopher west did was he started getting weird and pornographic about it and he started using it to justify anything he wanted john paul ii to hugh hefner.
Speaker 4:And then he started talking about how, when he was at the beach and he sees overweight women in the beach in bikinis, he would say, god, this is a beautiful like. He just got really creepy and weird, you know. And then he started giving all this language about how, you know, it's the stuff that Alex was using and what I, what I realized was that what Alex was doing was paganism with sex, ritual stuff with a veneer of Jesus.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 4:When you're doing what he was doing. Because, look, if you are, look, there's a difference in if you're a lay person, a private person, and you have a slip up, you go out, you're drinking one night and you have a slip up and you have a one night stand and it stand and it's like, oh, I feel guilty, you know, but like there's a deep shame that comes with that, because you know deep in your heart what you're doing is worshiping another god. There's just something that you understand intuitively, that sex outside.
Speaker 2:It's the giving of your body, of yourself, to something or someone else and outside of the bonds of marriage and outside of the procreative act.
Speaker 4:Even it is idol. Worship it.
Speaker 2:You're worshiping another god because it's not just that you're giving into temptation right because, within a sacramental marriage, uh, with the possibility of procreation, you're giving yourself over to God's will. You're giving yourself to God, whereas you're right outside of that circumstance, you're giving yourself over to something else.
Speaker 4:Dude you are, and we've talked about how pornography, especially, you talk about, because what were idols? Idols were these images that you, kind of like, offered sacrifice to and they possessed you, and things like that. Like you're like, like, like, like, when you're looking at pornography, you're looking at an image and giving a part of your soul to it in in your ascribing, like, for instance the.
Speaker 2:You know the way protestants claim we worship idols because of images and such Like. We're not seeing those images as anything other than they're an image representing God or Jesus Christ the saint, whatever. But when you're giving yourself sexually over to you, don't give yourself sexually over to an image, right that image means something more to you it has given yourself over to the goddess pornea.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's what you're doing you're giving your, you're giving a part of your soul and you're offering your seed because you're not imagining that image.
Speaker 2:That image is allowing you to imagine and give yourself over to someone or something else you're, you're offering your seed to the goddess of fertility.
Speaker 4:Look, young men I was partially mad at even like Frad with his like he's the porn guy. Yeah, he's the freaking porn guy.
Speaker 2:He's not going to discuss this, come, come on, you're not going to have a conversation about this.
Speaker 4:You brought this freaking pervert on you. Look, I, I like I'm serious about you. You, you can't be a freaking pervert if you're talking about the faith. You just can't. You, you can't. And it's you're the porn guy. And even matt Matt.
Speaker 4:Like the way he wrote his book. His book was from a secular perspective and talking about the mental. You know, like what addiction does to you and the and the mental harm and it's all true. Like everything he said in his book is true, but it's so much deeper than that. Like the act of you young men, like we got away from telling young men, if you guys continue with this, you're going to hell. You have to stop, you have to get it out of your life. Like it, it's not one of those things where you could just keep doing and going to confession about. You can like, of course, if you're struggling with it, continuously go to confession and root this thing out of your life. Right, like, do that. I'm not saying not, but at a certain point you need somebody to smack you upside your head Like God gives us the grace. You don't want it. You're doing what St Augustine did where it was, where he was saying Lord, save me, but not yet, or you know it's um this, not yet.
Speaker 2:This caused a huge controversy on Twitter, maybe two, three years ago, but whether you like it or not, there is a finite, definitive set number of times God will allow you to go to confession before you die. It's not predetermined in the sense of like God says, you only get 27 times.
Speaker 4:No, it's not predetermined in the sense of like god says, you only get 27 times no, it's just, at a certain point he's going to give you up to your own devices and you're and you're or eventually, you know you do just die like the. Uh, somebody asked me do you think Alex was actually Catholic? And it's a difficult question because, yeah, yeah, he was, and I think that if I think he was.
Speaker 4:I think he was probably even struggling with his sins, right, I think he was, and, but there's no chance you could have a valid confession if you don't have a firm purpose of amendment on these things, and and and not even that. There's no way you could go to confession and confess honestly to what he was doing, being the public face that he was, that a priest wouldn't tell him. As the penance, you cannot speak publicly anymore. I can't imagine it. And if they are, these priests are terrible, like if they're giving him a three hail mary penance for fornicating regularly and having these kinds of text messages regularly and the priest doesn't tell you look, you are. No, you are in no position to be speaking publicly on the faith If you have these kind of major obstacles in your life. Like I don't understand how that worked. So was he even going to confession? Was he going to mass? I, I, I have to believe he was. But was he? Because I've we've discussed this before I've gone to confession and masked my sin when? You say it.
Speaker 2:I think if everyone's honest with themselves.
Speaker 4:You go to the confessional and you say I'm going to speak from experience from when I was dealing with this. Oh, I was weak and I looked at images that I shouldn't have looked at uh three times, but you're not saying like really what you were doing, right? You know you're. Oh, I, I was weak and I looked at images.
Speaker 2:No, it was way worse than that, you know, it's just if you can't name the sin you did with one or two words, you're rationalizing it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and there was a point where there was a I remember. I remember being frustrated with someone in my life and confessing my frustration with the person and telling the priest you know, this is a very difficult person and I have a really hard time with them. And they were like the priest said what wait, whoa, whoa. What do you mean? They're a very difficult person. Why are you trying to justify what you're like that priest?
Speaker 2:that's a good priest. That's a very good priest what you're like.
Speaker 4:That priest, that's a good priest, that's a very good priest. What do you mean? They're a difficult person. Then, like you're, you're softening what. What happened here? You know you're. They're not a difficult person, you're a difficult person. You're the one that lost your temper and you're the one that got angry and you're the one that reacted this way. And it was at. It was that priest saying that to me is what made me realize I was actually dumbing down all the other confessions. I was like, oh no, I've been justifying all my stuff, especially if you're going to the same priest. You're embarrassed, right, and you don't want man. Oh dude, I'm not going to say what it was, but I had to confess something to father nicks once, and it was. It was at the canceled priest conference. Uh, two, two years ago, the canceled priest conference, and there were three priests father nicks, my co-host is a very difficult person it was I was uh, what year is that?
Speaker 4:2021?
Speaker 2:so it's four years ago now no, um no, we started, so it had to have been 2022 had to be 2022.
Speaker 4:So three years ago, yeah, and there was three priests offering confession. I didn't know two of them. I knew father nicks and I was gonna go to the one I didn't know and I let me just go to next, cause it was super embarrassing what I had to confess. It was super embarrassing, and especially to him, because I know him and I want him to think I'm a good man and I want him to, and I and I just went to him and I said, look, this is really difficult for me to confess to you, but I'm confessing it anyway. I did it and he was awesome about it. He was very merciful about it. He gave me a stiff penance, but I bet you he wouldn't remember what I confessed to him. I really do think good priests get graces where they actually forget the thing you confess to them after you do it. What am I missing in the comments here?
Speaker 2:It's all NFP. I don't get what the whole obsession with the NFP discourse is.
Speaker 4:Is it Tom Tommy? What. Let me see Hang on.
Speaker 2:I don't know who started this time. Last time it was. What's his name? John Farrell. He's in our locals, no, but it started the whole thing last, but I don't know.
Speaker 4:Yeah, look, I don't even disagree with John Farrell. I think he's only pissed because his wife divorced him um, yeah, I, I like I don't even disagree with him, I think.
Speaker 4:I think that people do use uh nfp as birth control yeah, I mean they do you know, um, my cousin went through that, where the doctor cause I saw one recently where he was talking about like, um, my, my cousin, uh, he's got five kids now and they were all C-sections. And the doctor told his wife, from the third child on, your every pregnancy is dangerous after this and you could die. Because she had she had I guess they call it a window from the C-section, like her, her, her muscle was stretched so thin. And these doctors do this, they and they try to convince women to get their tubes tied and they try to get the husband to get a vasectomy and they tell them, they scare the crap out of the woman, they tell her you're in medical emergency and you're going to die if you have another baby. And he's had two kids since and he's just like it's in God's hands, it's in God's hands. I'm not going to try and control whatever it's in God's hands. Yeah, I mean, look, we could have that conversation one night.
Speaker 2:I just don't care to have it now no, it's not a conversation I feel the need to discuss ever yeah, I don't know, I don't really care about that stuff.
Speaker 4:So that that was. Um, yeah, that that whole like seeing seeing the sexual sin stuff as idolatry really just it kind of it's it's worship of another god. It's what it is. And so essentially, alex, why this was so shocking was because he was worshiping another god, but it was kind of what who's that figure in scripture that does that? Was it simon magis, or? Um? No, no, that's simony.
Speaker 4:He was selling yeah, he was buying and selling yeah, um, there's, there was somebody in scripture trying to heal somebody in jesus's name, but he was it wasn't really in jesus, like he didn't really believe in jesus. He was trying to heal people in jesus's name. It's essentially that, like Alex was saying the words but it but he was worshiping another God in his heart and I think that's why it's so, cause I think all of us know that intuitively. And when, when you're committing sins like that, you, it's why they bring such deep shame and it's why you, you can lose your faith so easily over sexual sins, you will. You will have a chasm between you and God. You won't be able to pray anymore. If you hear things about God, they'll actually offend you and it's a it's a difficult one for people who have a good conscience, but I think somebody doing what he was doing, your conscience gets so seared. Everything just becomes words and you say that the thing you're supposed to say, and that's why he came out with the statement he did, and he was more concerned with his career.
Speaker 4:Look, this guy was on the verge of making hundreds of thousands of dollars. It's not in the like. It's not what me and Rob do, right, it's not what me and Rob do what me and Rob do. It's like oh, we get a couple hundred bucks from YouTube and maybe some local subscribers. What Alex was doing was getting flown around the country Speaking at events, getting two, 3000. Every time he went to these events, huge amounts of money, huge You're talking hundreds of thousands of dollars and Overnight up in smoke. Now he has, this is his bread and butter. Now he has, this is his bread and butter. Is what you talk about? Like going to college? His college, this was his, this was his investment in his future and he was going to be the premier Catholic apologist. He's the next Scott Hahn, trent Horn, name it and overnight that's up in smoke. And when this initially comes out, he's like how can I salvage this? It's all he's thinking. How can I salvage this? So he puts out a statement threatening lawsuits. But he's at a point now where he's like it's gone, like I mean now Joe Heschmeyer is putting out statements, catholic answers, is he's gone? Like he's just not that your career is over?
Speaker 4:My point was he he could have went into a program, gotten real help with this and come out and actually helped young men struggling with sex addiction. Right, so somebody goes to somebody who's an alcoholic. They destroy their life. Their life is total ruins. They lose their family, whatever the hell they do you ever?
Speaker 4:If you've ever been to an AA meeting I've been to a few, they are. The stories you hear are insane, like the things people have done to destroy their lives. And somebody can go in and they and they go through the program and then, next thing you know, they're in there for long enough and they become a sponsor. And then the next thing you know, they're hosting meetings. Next thing you know they're being asked to speak at these conferences, at these AA conferences, and telling their story and they're the premier speaker because they have a good story to tell. There are tons of men with sex addiction and he could have gone into a program for six months, gotten control of this thing and then helped other people deal with this problem, but instead he took the route he did and I don't know. I, I think I you know, because I do think there is a need for young men to have help with this stuff. I think.
Speaker 2:But oof voice raising an intern for boris not enough young women around there for him um yeah, all right.
Speaker 4:So now life site. We'll move on to life site. I did a half hour on alex, um, okay, so, uh, there were audio recordings released. Uh, for anybody that doesn't know, so, christine christina har, I think her name is. She used to work for Boris Somebody from LifeSite sent her audio recordings of the board meeting. Now in this board meeting you hear Bishop Strickland asking John Henry Weston to step down. Now, okay, so Rob, rob said it seemed like when I came out and we did our video, it seemed like we were supporting John Henry Weston.
Speaker 4:Right now, my position on this is I don't ever like turning on friends, so John Henry Weston was good to me. I don't feel comfortable ever badmouthing him because I don't know anybody else at friends. So John Henry Weston was good to me. I don't feel comfortable ever badmouthing him because I don't know anybody else at LifeSite. All I, the only person I know, is John Henry Weston, and John Henry has always been a friend to me. So I I didn't. I don't want to badmouth him Now.
Speaker 4:My critics, my, my perspective on the LifeSite thing was not really about whether John Henry was rightfully terminated or not. My perspective was the PR debacle that came from it, right. So they vote him out and they ask him to step down. And now, all of a sudden, this narrative starts popping up on social media, where everybody's like they got rid of John Henry because he's critical of Pope Leo. And the narrative comes out that they're getting rid of the trads, they're getting rid of anybody critical of Francis. They want to step in line with Francis.
Speaker 4:Now, that narrative wasn't started by John Henry, though. That narrative was just started by internet gossip, because people are like what the hell happened here? And Steve Jaselnik I think that's his name, jaselnik, or something like that he was the co-founder and he came out with yeah, he's one of them, and he came out with a statement talking about how, john Henry, what? This is what John Henry Weston wants you to believe that he's just an innocent victim here, but really he took life sight in this terrible direction and he just wanted to follow the Latin mass only and he just wanted to follow the Council of, and it actually doubled down on the narrative that was out there in Internet land, and I was just criticizing the PR debacle that he created. Like he's he was putting he was, he was destroying any hope he had of carrying over the audience that liked John Henry over to their new direction.
Speaker 4:Now they gave John Henry a, a a year severance, which is a nice severance package, and John Henry kept his mouth shut. He didn't bad mouth anybody Like he, john Henry just kept his mouth shut. He didn't bad mouth anybody Like he, john Henry just kept his mouth shut. And all this was happening. But some things have come out to show like maybe John Henry was, you know, was a difficult person to work for. But this stuff happens in a nonprofit right? You get the the bigger conversation, robin I wanted to talk about was probably cult of personality stuff.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and how I I said, look, I still think them releasing these audio recordings is another pr disaster, because I think now they brought strickland into the heart of this thing. Um, so the audio is of strickland saying he thinks john henry should step down. Now john henry has a very big cult of personality, but so does strickland, and now you've pitted them against each other and it's just an ugly scenario, in my my opinion.
Speaker 2:I think LifeSite was doomed the second it got away from being pro-life news.
Speaker 4:Okay, I have a different perspective on that.
Speaker 2:Well, and so what I mean by that is, from what I know and have heard, it sounds like the organization was dragged away from what it was built to be and became something else. Well, the landscape changed.
Speaker 4:The landscape changed. Look, France has changed everything.
Speaker 2:The landscape changed so much that it goes from being about pro-life news to crazy prophecies from crazy Father Michelle Rodriguez, because that seems like a personal decision to take a pro-life news site that direction.
Speaker 4:Okay Now, if they had just stayed pro-life, news though, they never would have became the juggernaut they were.
Speaker 2:What made them the juggernaut they were they weregernaut, oh they were no, they they're not rob during their okay.
Speaker 4:So the thing is, during 2020, everybody that was already in place became a juggernaut. Taylor marshall became a juggernaut, like they did. They just became huge. During this, everybody was trapped in their houses, like 2020 was right, but okay. So people were watching.
Speaker 2:But a lot of people were watching like how many people took it seriously listen to me.
Speaker 4:What happened during covid was and before covid. It was really during mccarrick when the you know I lived through covid right yeah, no, I'm talking what really was like.
Speaker 4:I was there I'm not talking about covid, though I'm saying it was during mccarrick, when the the shift came where taylor switches over to start being critical of francis and life site chose to go that route as well. Now, life site could have just stayed the pro-life route, but everybody was starting to criticize Francis, like, and the thing is there was a chasm right. So you have National Catholic Register and EWTN and Catholic Answers and all those guys stay the course and they're doing the Pope's planning thing right through McCarrick, right through all of it. Now that was maybe the wiser. And they're doing the popesplaining thing right through McCarrick, right through all of it. Now that was maybe the wiser decision because they're still around, but they didn't get nearly the traffic John Henry was getting with LifeSite when he was starting to be like. John Henry chose a path and the path was I'm going to go the Taylor Marshall route, I'm going to go the critical of Francis route. I don gonna go the taylor marshall route. I'm gonna go the I'm gonna go the critical of francis route.
Speaker 2:Now there was. I don't think the francis route is the problem I do.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it was a directional shift and they decided to be critical of all the things you think strickland had a problem with criticizing francis no, I don't think strickland had a problem with that.
Speaker 4:Strickland became an advisor at life site. Um, recently, strickland wasn't a strickland became an advisor at life site when he started catching all that crap. Right before it was really like when he spoke at the coffin thing, like that's when he starts getting really heavily involved when, when and then, um, anytime, he was critical of francis. Now john henry is on top of that and he's backing Bishop Strickland, america's bishop all that stuff. Right, if they had just stayed regular Catholic pro-life news. Look, in hindsight it's easy to say yes, that would have been the wiser decision because you see, the outlets that did made it through the storm and now leo's here and they can maintain hey, we've always been. You know, the pope is the pope and it is what it is. But there was a huge chasm during this period where people were critical of francis or you were a pope splainer and that.
Speaker 2:I really think that has nothing to do with this. It is it. It it's about the crazy boomer conspiracy slot. That is what I think the problem with with the direction life site went. You could not trust a single article they put out. You see an article and you're like is this going to be be real or is this going to be about some crazy conspiracy theory that some half-baked priest in some weird little town in South America thinks he saw something? That's what I think the problem was.
Speaker 4:Yeah, maybe I don't know it's uh.
Speaker 2:um, I mean it would it would have been fine if it stayed journalism. That was critical of you know, even if it's critical of francis if it at least stayed journalism. Well, that's what they are they're. They were journalists, right, they were a news site. They moved away from journalism entirely.
Speaker 4:Yeah Well, all right. So now I think I still think they should have, just like. I think whoever released these audio recordings put Strickland in a bad spot, cause I don't think Strickland wants to be at the center of all this, like I don't. I really don't like he released a statement because I think he felt obligated to after the board meeting and stuff, and he did release a statement saying John Henry was not fired for speaking the truth, but it was such a weirdly worded statement.
Speaker 2:Well, that speaking the truth, but it was such a weirdly worded statement.
Speaker 4:Well, that's because of stuff put out by stephen cox. Yeah, uh, so that's the other thing of this, right. So now you have both sides trying to get people to back them. So you have the people at life site. Look, we had somebody from life site message us. I'll read that message.
Speaker 2:I'll read it, look I'm not say the name I won't say the name but I will.
Speaker 4:I will read the message if, uh, but look at this is the I I. I don't want to be caught up in the middle because I still like john henry for the record, I have no problem with john henry yeah, like, I, still like john henry, I just think the way this is, I never watched his stuff.
Speaker 2:It wasn't my thing. I'm not saying it's not for other people so, like, I still consider him a friend.
Speaker 4:He was still good to me and I look I'll always have an issue with um. I just have a loyalty thing where, look, it's not like the voice of reason stuff, where it's like if he was our friend and we see stuff like that. That's a line. I don't care, I'm coming out, I'm saying something. This is like internal, like internal squabbles in a, in a non-profit, that happens. I mean, the same thing happened at at james o'fe's thing and this happens all the time. And when you have a board, the board starts going. Look, this guy's getting a little power hungry and there's a little bit. You know, it's a little bit crazy to work around him. Maybe we could vote him out and we could salvage the.
Speaker 2:I don't even agree with LifeSite's original direction, right, I think for something like a Christian pro-life organization, for it to succeed it needs to be explicitly Catholic. I'm just saying that when— Well, they weren't. They weren't originally.
Speaker 4:That's what I'm saying. Oh, I didn't know that, okay.
Speaker 2:No, oh no, they were a secular. I mean a secular, maybe somewhat Christian, you know, pro-life, canadian pro-life thing, yeah, canadian pro-life thing, yeah, that somehow became partly anyways, like I think their original direction was wrong, but I think the organization itself became doomed when it was pulled away and it sounds like not completely, it was against a lot of people's will it was pulled into a new direct, like I think that's the moment it was doomed yeah, I.
Speaker 4:I think it's dangerous when you have, uh, look, there might have been where john henry felt people didn't like the direction and he started getting worried and stuff. So he's got to start. I don't know. I don't know what I would do in that situation. So, but, um, somebody, somebody messaged us. They said I just watched your nine minute youtube video on life site removing john henry 99 of the social media chatter spin is totally false. I will tell you the truth.
Speaker 4:John henry should have been removed years ago, but his puppets on the board of directors prevented it. I speak as a former board member that was illegally removed by john henry because I opposed what he was doing at LifeSite. Anybody that crushed John Henry was unceremoniously and illegally removed by him. Just let me cite one example. In April 2022, he illegally terminated a vice president via email, without notice, without cause, without severance. Only the board of directors had the authority to fire the VP.
Speaker 4:I, as a board member, found out about the termination through email as well. The VP was a stellar, stellar VP who oversaw the growth of LifeSite from 2020 to 2022. John Henry removed him because the board made overtures of making the VP the CEO. This was a threat to John Henry. Then, to justify the termination, he fabricated a story that the vp and another person in the organization were plotting to steal life site. But I don't know if this is true either. Maybe they were plotting to steal life site and john henry saw that like, like people are well you, you don't what, they just did was steal life sight from him.
Speaker 2:No, that's not Ant, that's no, it wasn't his to begin with.
Speaker 4:Yeah, oh, I got what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. Like this is a nonprofit with a board of directors.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Okay but so is Eternal Christendom. Is Eternal Christendom not Joshua Charles?
Speaker 2:No, he gave that up when he invited a board of directors.
Speaker 4:and I don't know, I don't, I don't why do they do that, by the way, like, why would you ever do that? What is?
Speaker 5:it because they're not maintaining it you want to be a non-profit.
Speaker 4:That's why so so if you're a for-profit organization you don't need a board of directors. If you want to be a non-profit, you have to have a board of directors well, everything's.
Speaker 2:A lot of corporations have board of director. All corporations usually have board of directors, right, but but with a non-profit, there's no owners so you get to accept tax deductible donations?
Speaker 4:yes, and then for tax purposes yeah, so you get to take accept tax deductible donations so people, if they donate to you, they could write it off on their taxes. You get to accept it and not pay taxes. And then you can pay your board of directors, you pay your ceo, your coo, so that's why they do that. Yeah, I still think john henry was always the face of life site, though, right, I mean, do you remember anybody else being the face of life site? Do you know?
Speaker 4:My thing was I think this could have been handled in a way where it was okay, john henry, look, yes, we voted you out. But if this can be done cordially, where you move on and you get to start your own venture, we'll put together a package for you to help you start your new venture. But we make sure this gets done in a way where nobody thinks there was bad blood. There was no, you know, because that's people don't like to see bad blood. And now I'm telling you they see bad blood between John Henry and Strickland. It's going to get ugly. It would be like if me and you split up. But it didn't seem cordial like it, would you it? You could, you? I saw it with tnt. Look, when tim and taylor split. It was tim's brother who screwed it up, like tim and taylor, because, like when they first that in that, like that's kind of the same thing that happened here.
Speaker 2:It wasn't john henry, it wasn't life sight, there was a third party that started sniping immediately and making claims about one the about the other side yeah, they both should have just everybody.
Speaker 4:just be quiet like john henry, you'll get a nice package and we'll help you even start your new venture. But we need to go separately and we need to part ways. And how can we make this so that it's not ugly, because people don't like ugliness? And what happened with Taylor and Tim was when they first split. What happened was, I'm guessing I don't know, this is not insider information but TNT starts blowing up it, as during the McCarrick thing and this is right when podcasts are taking off, and Taylor probably had a very significant audience to begin with and it was his channel, and Tim was probably like, hey man, like can, can we do something together with this? And Taylor was like, nah, this is my channel. So Tim went okay, I'm going to, I'm going to start my own thing then. So he starts Rules for Retrogrades. Now it should have been Taylor helping Tim promote Rules for Retrogrades. So Tim has his thing, taylor has his thing, and then they still do collaboration shows. So it's good for the two of them.
Speaker 4:Tim, taylor goes on his show, tim goes on Taylor's show. That would have been the way to handle that, but Tim's brother started shooting his big, freaking mouth off and it all of a sudden cut the relationship up between Tim and Taylor. And now Tim is doing his thing on his own and they're not talking and people were Taylor fans were like, oh screw Tim. And people that were Tim fans were like, oh screw Taylor. And it was this weird thing that went on. But it could have been handled so much better. You know, this is me as an outsider who likes both of these guys. I'm not saying one guy was right, one guy was wrong. It should have just been handled better and they both could have like, because you, you see, tim could have like, carried a wave of the like. Cause wave of the like? Because he had the, he had the um, the visibility from being on with taylor.
Speaker 4:But the bad blood made people not like tim and meanwhile tim never said a freaking word about taylor and taylor never said a word about tim. But it was all the internet chatter and it was tim's stupid brother freaking, ruining it like it was over stupid sspx stuff and things like that. It was just so dumb the way that happened and I feel bad for tim because his freaking brother man we all have, we all have family members that you just go. Oh man, and tim still to this day will never talk bad about his brother. And I've, because I assumed, I made the assumption that because his like his brother freaking sued his tim's wife over like suit well to, tim sued tim over like uh, uh, copyright stuff, like like, uh, plagiarism. So I assumed tim was angry with his brother. And I got into a fight with tim's brother on twitter one day and tim was like dude, what are you doing? I'm like I I thought I was defending you because it's still my brother. Like don't, that's still my brother. Like tim will.
Speaker 4:I'm telling you guys, I don't know, I don't know what people think of tim personally. I'm telling you guys, I don't know, I don't know what people think of Tim personally. I'm telling you he's a fricking good dude. Like he will never turn on on his own brother, even though his own brother did that crap to him. Like he's just, it's a good dude. But yeah, it was ugly fricking. Yeah, dude, dave, oh, working at fr Church Militant. Oh man, I remember Dave made a comment to me. He's like oh, you comment them from the peanut gallery. Who do you think you're talking to? Who do you think you're talking to. I'm in the peanut gallery. I mean, we were small at the time, don't get me wrong. We were probably like 2,000, 3,000, two, three thousand subscribers, right. Like what are you talking about, dude? Like like you're literally a leech of your brother, like nobody cares about you. Who are you? You're tim gordon's brother. That's who you are. You're not dave gordon, you're tim gordon's, yeah.
Speaker 2:That's a good point.
Speaker 4:No, he's wrong, he's in the gob of cool gallery.
Speaker 4:Dave has the arrogance of Tim, but not the intelligence that is such a perfect description oh, that's a great line Fredo, yeah, look, look, I don't know man, it's just like it's an interesting thing, like especially the way Rob and I started, Like we had it started off as trivia, right, like we started off doing trivia, yeah, and we were doing two shows a week and I was like, rob, let's do one show, we'll do trivia, and then the other show we'll just bs together, you know, and I started off like I think the first couple shows, like I found a good rogan clip, like we'll discuss this rogan clip and we'll do that, and they weren't going anywhere. And I'm like and I'm thinking, how can we? How, man, if you guys knew how freaking hard I worked to get this show to be the conversations being rob would have like, all right, we're gonna, we just gotta stay with it. Um, we, we worked. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 2:yes, thank you. I'm just saying that I didn't.
Speaker 4:Obviously we worked. I I'm sorry I didn't mean to say that, um, but the brain wracking I would do early on of just okay, what, who, how can I, what can I do, how can I? And incessantly bothering people on Twitter to come on, and the first big break we got was Father Isaac. Father Isaac no, he wasn't the first, but that was a big one. It was.
Speaker 2:I would say the Mass of the Ages, episode two review show. That's like the first time we had father nicks, so it was the first time we had any priest on oh, that's right, father nicks we had uh from his.
Speaker 4:Uh.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's dan right yeah, we had a few other people on that show. But yeah, I know I know you're saying, yeah, the first, like the first video to break 10 000 first video to break father isaac um.
Speaker 4:Now he doesn't like you he still likes me, I'll always love father isaac.
Speaker 4:I know me too always love that man, I don't care. I say I, even if he doesn't like me, I still love him, I don't care. So I I think that he's just very cautious about who he does stuff with. Now I get it because, um, I just think he just very cautious about who he does stuff with. Now. I get it Because I just think he's very cautious about who he does stuff with. He likes to do stuff Whoever's doing his podcast with, he'll do that, and he doesn't really want to do stuff with other people. He doesn't really trust anybody. I think he just thinks everybody just Especially because I know he's been screwed over a lot, A lot, and you have to grant him that.
Speaker 4:But those early days I remember and you get discouraged because videos aren't getting views. And then I think, man, do you remember the New Year's Eve show when we first broke 1,000 subs?
Speaker 2:Yeah, because we did it on that show.
Speaker 4:How freaking exciting that was. That New Year's Eve show. That must have been New Year's Eve. What? 2021 or 2022?
Speaker 2:21, because we broke without.
Speaker 4:No, I started in 21. It had to be New Year's Eve going into 22. It was 2021 going into 2022.
Speaker 2:No, no, no. Started november of 21. I joined because this year was three years for you and I in march also going into 23. It was going. It was 22 to 23, wow, and it was, I think, in that shortly before that is when dio dotty came through like we talked about. Yeah, so in that same week we we had joe dio dotty basically cover all of our expenses up to that point. Yeah, we, because okay.
Speaker 4:So we were in the hole 3 500 bucks, like we were just laying out money for stream, yard equipment, everything. We were in the whole 3 500 and we're like, dude, what are we gonna do? And we were. We were getting like discouraged because we thought it was never gonna go anywhere. And freaking joe heard us say 3,500. On the freaking end, this maniac paypal's us 3,500 yeah, literally.
Speaker 2:I look at my paypal I'm like what?
Speaker 4:it's maniac. Paypal does 3500. This is guys. We're.
Speaker 2:We're nine eight, nine hundred subscribers like not monetized at all, like not monetized anywhere, nothing, no locals, nothing not locals, not even no this isn't even like a distant, freaking nothing.
Speaker 4:And I remember so he sends us 3500 and it was just such a freaking confidence booster that like dude, people like us all right, people like us like we can. We just have to get more people on board and grow the show. And we go through it. That new year's we hit a thousand and um, remember when we hit I remember we did like a celebration 2,000 shows, like oh, 2,000 subs in the future of the channel.
Speaker 4:And then I was getting to the point where I was like I'm done with trivia, like I was just getting so sick of trivia because the trivia episodes are hard. Man of trivia. Because the trivia episodes are hard man. It's like searching for the right questions, because we've tried to let other people host trivia and it never went well because they would always ask too hard a question. They they're trying to stump people. It's like you can't. That's not how you do trivia. Trivia has to be. If you got 20 questions, five of them have to be hard, ten of them have to be medium and five of them have to be easy. Yeah, it's just kind of how you have to do it.
Speaker 2:And you have to have someone that argues with everything, like Jason.
Speaker 4:Yes, so, but it was so fun doing trivia because we had so many people coming on the show and then we started asking, like people that were bigger than us to come and guest on to the trivia show and they would have fun with us. Trivia show if you guys would never like, if you guys are around now and you weren't around for trivia. Trivia was, um, just a roast is what it was.
Speaker 2:It was just everybody roasting the panel, that's all the way how can we insult each other the most without crossing, without crossing any Catholic line?
Speaker 4:And it was also like you would get a point if you had a funny answer over the correct answer, Like I would go give him a point.
Speaker 2:That was a funny line. The points never mattered.
Speaker 4:Never mattered At the end of the show. The end of the show. Whoever got the winning score, I go. Okay, we're going to give it to this person instead.
Speaker 2:Samantha, the winning score. I go okay, we're gonna give it to this person instead.
Speaker 4:Um, samantha. Samantha just said that we still owe her a keychain. All right, we'll send you a kid. Just, samantha.
Speaker 2:Dm me on twitter your, uh, your address and I'll send you something because remember I think you sent me the keychains to send out and they came and I got them all broken or something in the mail what happened with the lighters?
Speaker 4:what?
Speaker 2:What happened with the avoiding Babylon lighters? I don't know. Never heard back from the guy.
Speaker 4:I was supposed to give us like a thousand cigar lighters. I don't know what happened with that?
Speaker 2:People needed to buy them, but yes, yeah, he was going to get us to sell them and stuff like that.
Speaker 4:Still have two of them. Like that still have two of them. I never got one, so um work, uh wait. What were some other memorable?
Speaker 2:moments um the jason, arguing about losing that was always fun.
Speaker 4:Um, yeah, I got to a point where I was just done with trivia. I was like I just can't do it anymore. It's I would rather just get on and talk, like I like to get on and just talk. So then we just started doing two, like we knocked trivia off and then everybody ever since has been trivia, trivia but like that's just coming back, you guys never coming back. And then I think Then like the inside jokes start developing because we're on two nights a week together and like at this time we're still not making any money. I remember even when we wanted to start, I, I, I was always the one pushing for monetization. So when we finally got monetized we saw we were making like a hundred bucks each a month.
Speaker 2:And I'm like Rob I mean, it took months to get to that level.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, the first. Yeah, you hit a thousand subs. You're getting like you don't even make enough.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you don't get enough.
Speaker 4:They don't pay out until you hit a hundred. And it was months before we no-transcript. And I'm like Rob was so afraid to monetize Like he never wanted to seem like we're grifting. And I'm like Rob, we're working our asses off on this show Like we deserve to like make something on it.
Speaker 4:it still bothers me from time to time. He never wanted. He's like I don't know. I just don't feel right asking our like viewers for money and I'm like, dude, you have to just offer them something they're not going to get on youtube. So we'll do an after show and we'll offer that. But locals picked up pretty quick. Man, it did like it really did. We got. We wound up we. When we started locals, it started off you know 100, 200 I think now we're. It's weird because it's not consistent. There's some months where you make money and there's some months where it's like nothing, because a lot of people buy a year and then so like you might have 700 paying members, but a lot of those were like pay their money up yeah, you get it up front and then nobody pays again for you, and then a lot of people don't re-up when their year is up because they lose interest and they're not coming back for the record.
Speaker 2:I've brought up throwing something a little your way for each video. Anthony says no wait, what happened? Taffy says monetizing with sponsorships but won't pay me a penny. Well, anthony goes. It takes him five minutes to make the video he doesn't get everyone's like we'll start a taffy tip jar that's not a bad idea.
Speaker 4:You might do it if we'll do all right, we'll do a taffy tip jar. That's what we'll do uh, okay.
Speaker 2:So, um, let's see here's. They're wondering where, when is Abadi going to do the man on the street interview with the money that he got? And they said there's no money left. And then there goes. There's no money left, where did it go? And then it says clearly you've never owned a boat.
Speaker 4:I literally bought this stuff for the man on the street interview. I promise this is not for the man on the street interview. I promise too much of um, um, yeah, I, I can't do it alone. I need somebody to do the filming, and you also have a son, I know it's not that get him involved in the family business.
Speaker 2:Isn't that the italian thing to do?
Speaker 4:oh, that's. Oh. I have an update about my son. Um, he's gonna do a welding program. That's a good idea. He's gonna do a welding, so he's going to uh it's like a semester.
Speaker 4:A lot of places welders still make crap yeah, but I have a lot of connections and in construction that I can help him. So if, like, if he gets his welding certification and he's actually a good welder, then then it comes to. We go to Uncle Jared and ask him to help him invest in the business and we get him a truck with an arc welder and things like that. We'll go from there. But he's going to do welding. So, yeah, rob was like really hesitant to monetize, like he just felt wrong about it. And I'm like rob, this is I can't keep doing this two nights a week for free, dude, I just can't.
Speaker 4:So we started locals, um, but we still have like principles, um, like, like I said, like I told, I've told you guys this I was in a position where I thought I was gonna lose my house and I still didn't ask for a GoFundMe or some crap like that. Like it's just, that's not what this show is. This show is we try to provide something for you guys and if you enjoy it, you come in for the after show. But yeah, that was always a funny thing with Rob. Yeah, that was always a a funny thing with rob. He just he, even with like um, there's, there's something else with money that I was like, why do you not want freaking, monetize this like was it the voice of reason on all? Like any time, anything, I'm always like dude. He feels wrong sometimes. Oh wait, you guys want to hear about all the times where?
Speaker 3:rob, call me the next day feeling guilty. You have no idea.
Speaker 2:Shut up I'm sorry, I have a conscience.
Speaker 4:He always feels bad shut up, shut up stupid. We're putting it up we really do balance each other out, though, because there's times where I would definitely go too far and you slow me down. There's times where you're just like I know I know part of my job is to make sure people don't think you're totally being a dick. Like I have to make sure, like because you have a tendency to hate everything, like you will hate everything and I'm just like. All right, we have to.
Speaker 2:I have to soften this a little bit here, like like you make fun of me being a contrarian, but there is really some truth to it and it's well even with the life-size story even with the life-size story today.
Speaker 4:so all right, so right. So this morning Rob like okay, so anytime we're texting, I know. All right, we got to stop texting, it's time to make a phone call.
Speaker 2:Here's the thing. I hate it when you do that, because a lot of times I should keep texting, because that actually yeah, you get that softens.
Speaker 4:Rob can be ruthless in a text and I can feel I can feel it. I'm like, oh, this is not good.
Speaker 2:I can feel him like getting fed up in the point I am right about life site though okay, so I, I don't you guys have to understand what my perspective on this was.
Speaker 4:I didn't want to do it on youtube because I didn't want this to be a public gossip about you uh life site. Like I, I have a very you publicly gossiped about life site. Two videos before that I know, but I but I maintain my friendship with john henry.
Speaker 2:Our temperaments are so different because, yeah, most of the time I don't in I'm. This is not a good thing. No, I don't give a rip about maintaining most friendships.
Speaker 4:I yeah, I do, I don't I'm sorry a lot look and I understand it's bad but, but the thing is, if you didn't have me to balance that out, oh this, yeah, I, I know like you need not, just, not even just for the for me and you, right, like there's been times where me and you would have blowouts, and if I was this, if I had the same attitude as you, it would have just been like I'm not talking, oh yeah yeah, we wouldn't have.
Speaker 2:Let's say, we started this march 1st of 22. Yeah, it would have been like march 3rd. Or, like you know, when you called me at 7 am on a saturday, it just yeah, I would have been like march 3rd. Or, like you know, when you called me at 7 am on a saturday, yeah, I would have been like no, screw this guy I, I know, um, I know I'm a, I know I'm a bit much.
Speaker 4:That's the thing. I've dealt with this my whole life. I know I know if somebody's upset, it's probably probably my fault. So I, my entire man, you guys don't know how much of a tamed down version of me you get from 10, 15 years ago 10, 15 years ago I.
Speaker 4:I am. I am much, much like Jesus Christ saved me. I'm telling you guys, because it was bad, but I know I'm a lot and, um, I also know like if somebody is getting upset it was probably my fault. I better make a phone call and especially when Rob and I are texting like I know I have to make sure he knows I'm not because I he in his mind, I know how he hears me. He thinks I'm not because I he in his mind, I know how he hears me. He thinks I'm being like. He thinks I'm being a jerk in the text and I'm really not. I'm like I'm never talking to him like that, but I know how. I know you can't send sarcasm in a text, even when you write, lol. So it's like I, I know I have to call him. So he hears like because I don't disagree with Rob on LifeSite in principle, right.
Speaker 4:I do think a lot of the problems there are the boomer conspiracy stuff, the, the crazy Trump stuff and then the wacky apparition chasing things. I don't disagree with any of that. The my principal objection is I I want to make sure that I don't ruin my friendship with John Henry. He's a. He was good to me and I don't. I just don't ever want to. I don't ever want to ruin a friendship with somebody that was good to me and let, unless it's deserved, or they turn on me or they cross a line, like Alex Gerardo did, like that's, those are my lines. Unless it's deserved, or they turn on me or they cross a line, like Alex Rado did, like that's, those are my lines. But if it's not that, I'm never going to be the guy who look, even with frad frad never did anything to me.
Speaker 2:My my issue with him is you just expect him to be a little bit more principled.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and more principled, and he acted like he was my friend in private. So to me it's like you, like we're, we are talking privately, like we've had conversations on the phone and you're texting me things, and and then you bring this kid who you don't even know one and he's a freaking pervert behind the scenes and you could, like we could, I would have given matt one of the best conversations he's ever had on that stupid show, because he has boring he has boring guests on now and I would have given him a good because, look, I'm not wouldn't have been a humble conversation, but it would have been good.
Speaker 4:That's all I'm saying. Like I know, I know how to make a conversation interesting. I would have, if he was floundering and didn't know where to go with it, I would have jumped in and made the conversation go somewhere I thought was interesting. I know I know what people like. Even tonight we didn't have a life site and we talked to Alex. Even tonight we didn't have a, we talked life site and we talked to alex. But like I know, I know, especially like the people that are on locals, they, they want to hear the lore behind the scenes of what we're doing, like they do.
Speaker 4:They, they also I mean, that's why you, that's why you join locals or people, yeah you want to hear the lore behind like how did, how does this, how did this whole thing come about? Like, and now they're in on something that the other people aren't in on, right, and even the, even the personal stories I tell those are very intentional. They're usually on slow news nights where we don't have like a big thing to tell. But the thing is the the people that hear those stories like they know a lot about me, so like there's a friendship that develops and we and we interact with our audience differently. People that hear those stories, they know a lot about me. There's a friendship that develops and we interact with our audience differently than any other. Show the names that are in this chat. I know all these people. They're not. It's not the same as Matt.
Speaker 4:Walsh, there's a lot of newer ones though there is, but it's not the same as Matt Walsh, where he's talking and there's hundreds of thousands of people watching. It's just not that like. We have 90 90 people in here right now, so it's a it's a bit of a different thing and I think that the people that are paying aren't going to use those stories to screw me. So like I would never tell the story of what happened to me as a kid on youtube, right? Or I would never tell the story of my wife's sister getting the freaking inheritance on youtube. But I'll tell it over here, you know, because I I assume these people are like. They like us, they care about us, they want to make you know and they want to hear that kind of stuff. I'll tell you about a fight I had with nicole yesterday, if you guys want first off.
Speaker 2:Who? Slept on the couch wait, jesus.
Speaker 4:If it goes on, pints by the end of the show belongs to ant, and fred has no idea what happened I.
Speaker 2:I saw I see someone goes, been in it three years. Does not get easier. At first. I'm like, come on, our locals, isn't that bad? I think he's talking about his job. I'm like, come on, our locals, isn't that bad, I think he's talking about his job.
Speaker 4:I'm like come on, guys, look, I'm telling you if Matt, the thing is, matt is not allowed to have me on. That's what I'm trying to tell you, guys, because I think Matt wanted to have me on and I think there are people telling him he can't have me on. Now I don't know if that's his locals members, because Rob and I are hated, hated by Catholic Inc. Like I can't look, we know this for a fact.
Speaker 2:There is a group chat. There's a Discord yeah, a Discord where more than half the people hate Ant, more than half the people like me. I don't know why.
Speaker 4:So Rob gets away with being the nice guy they all hate me.
Speaker 2:They think I'm mean, it was definitely the n-word that one time on twitter. What was it the n-word?
Speaker 4:oh yeah, that started it, so the catholic answers. Twitter guy is in that chat and he hates you for that okay, but it's not just that, it's that I, I, okay, I think they all have this fake version of Catholicism in their heads and they think this fake charity towards Protestants and this fake charity towards and I think when I say something a little bit assertively, it, it scares them, like they especially when, so, for instance, like we've had redeemed we, like we have redeemed, zoomer on, we've had Christian.
Speaker 4:Mario. Two hours and 12 minutes. You guys are getting quite the show tonight, but like we are just we end up.
Speaker 2:we, you know we're, we're ourselves and we're honest with people. And guess what? The response to it by them is good and that scares. You know that's yeah, they don't like that.
Speaker 4:We're likable. They don't like that. We are likable that we can have a conversation with anybody and it comes out as a likable because they all perceive me as mean.
Speaker 4:Right, and the thing with alex really showed that the most, because and I'm not even talking about this most recent incident it was when he went on with janko thing when he went on with janko and I called him out for dropping the ball and I was bro, you are downplaying what Catholicism teaches to be nice to this guy and fake. It was fake. Now we know it was all to get his sister. It's all the bang, his sister, the. It was fake charity. And I can sense when guys are doing that. There's a. There's something in me that I could just and I just I just had no patience for it and it it's so. So it started like they all were on board when I did it to Lofton, because Lofton was criticizing Brian Holdsworth and he was, so I was like it was all cool when I did it to Lofton. So then you had Fred and and all those guys were all Remember the live chat that night, that episode, it was literally every.
Speaker 2:Catholic YouTuber and influencer out there in that live chat.
Speaker 4:You had Kennedy in there, you had Matt Fred in there.
Speaker 2:It's the only time, well, other than the time where Matt and Kennedy talked and Kennedy released the receipts, but after that it was the only time Kennedy andat have ever talked to each other holdsworth was in that chat.
Speaker 4:That was what that was a really exciting show, yeah. And then everybody was coming up with the fake names. They were like um uh what were the fake names? Rentorn yeah it was like they were going out with the fake, Because I talked about I don't know what started that.
Speaker 4:It was yeah, it was like Yimmy Aiken I don't know they were just like goofing on the names of the Catholic Answers guys, but it was all fun. But they liked it when I did it to Lofton. They didn't like it when I started doing it with somebody like alex, because alex is their, their, their golden boy, you know. And that was when frad started giving me the passive, aggressive text like oh, brother, uh, you know I love you, but like I'm a little worried about the direction of your show well, and you get the passive, aggressive show from trent I never told you guys yes, that was.
Speaker 4:You know, brother, I'm just a little concerned about the direction of your show and it's like, if you're concerned about the direction of my show, like I will never turn on a friend, have me on your show. You want to be my friend, you don't want to be my friend, I'm not going to, I'm not going to play, I. And now I'm at a point where I won't. I don't know if I would go on to be asked.
Speaker 2:Well yeah, why would we? He's had a very questionable character on his show.
Speaker 4:I don't, I don't know I'm serious, like I'm and I have no patience for like. I just have no patience for that. Like don't be off, don't be one guy behind the scenes and then a different guy, and like, how many times can you say the same crap over and over every freaking show? Is this it?
Speaker 2:You guys ever noticed the Novus auto?
Speaker 4:Do you think the Novus auto was a mistake? Like every show is the same freaking you try to get a little controversial and talk about. And then the clips that come out where, like the, I think the. The turning point for me was when I watched Matt and Scott Hahn react live to the election of Leo and I saw the terror in both of them that a cardinal prevost from chicago was elected. And then when I saw the clip matt put up later, how heavily edited it was to make them look like they were excited about it oh really, I didn't. I didn't notice any of that all, rob. If you watch the real reaction verse, the edited version that came out, I was like this is hey, fave this is a show.
Speaker 2:Taffy taffy, you might. That might be something to look into tomorrow. Taffy, displaced together.
Speaker 4:Not that I'm giving you a job, taffy, don't ever think I'm like even like when I I remember calling Bobby one night because I saw a clip of Fred like getting welled up and tearing up, I was just like is he really crying again? Like this freaking guy cries over everything, like that's not real. Oh, this is so mean. This freaking guy cries over everything. That's not real, oh. This is so mean.
Speaker 4:I'm being so mean right now. I'm being so mean. I'm just being honest about my feelings. All of this, really, it's not being mean to him, it's more just like. I'm just like offended by, I'm offended by like you, you, you you acted as my friend and then you were like you're not brave enough to tell your freaking locals audience or your donors, like, no, I want to talk to him, he's interesting, that's it. It's like there's nobody I would, there's nobody I wouldn't have on if I thought they were interesting. Like, if I think somebody's interesting, I'm gonna have them on. I don't like there's nobody that's gonna tell. Even I, I don't know, if I find somebody interesting, I'm gonna have them on. I know rob doesn't want to have jonathan pejot on. I think he's interesting, I'm gonna have him on. I know people go nuts because he's eastern orthodox. Like, I don't care, I find him interesting, I will get a good conversation out of him I just cannot listen to that voice for an hour I'm sorry, don't make me do a solo show with him.
Speaker 2:I don't want that I want you can take my spot that time no, I want you there.
Speaker 4:The, the um. Yeah, like some of this stuff upsets me and it just it kind of builds up in me and I keep my mouth shut. I keep my mouth shut and then when I feel like I've been betrayed.
Speaker 4:It comes. Then you. There came a point when I realized like these guys are never going to just be brave enough to have us on. Like I just realized it, like it was, like I think it might have been with the daniel o'connor thing when, when I saw, like when I was going to have daniel o'connor on, he had him booked on the show and then he told Daniel O'Connor oh, the people are advising me not to have you on. What? What do you mean? You wanted to have a conversation with this guy. And then people told you here's what I'm telling you guys. When the Alex Harado thing hit the fan, alex has a team around him who advised oh, this is how we're going to handle this. He has a PR team around him. Matt Fradd has a team around him.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah. So this is one thing I just learned from this whole thing, alex. Apparently he's got a producer that produces a bunch of channels, a bunch of big channels, I mean. He really is part of catholic inc.
Speaker 4:You know what I mean like these guys have a team around them. They are not. They're not just catholics getting on speaking from the heart. They're not. They're just not. They're not just like. It's not like matt frad is like, oh, I just want to have good conversations. No, he has a team around them and they make suggestions. Oh, you should have this person, you should have this person. And and if he wants to have somebody on, it's not actually up them. I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 2:It might be his wife telling him he can't have me on because his wife probably doesn't like me I mean, we have literally been told by the, a certain ex-producer, that Matt does not make the booking decisions.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, he doesn't, not at all.
Speaker 2:But the shows are booked for him.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's fine, but he also doesn't have any input on it. Well, that's what I mean.
Speaker 2:That's, that's what yeah.
Speaker 4:Like it's one thing if somebody else is doing your booking, but like if he says no, I want to talk to this guy Like it's not even the booker that says no, I'm not so sure I have it.
Speaker 2:I and this is totally me making this up- I have. No, I think I have a banner for that hold on.
Speaker 4:This is me totally just instinct. I think his wife don't like me honestly, I think his wife don't like I think his wife, I think I make her nervous I think she thinks I'm a loud mouth. Look, there's different kinds of women, some women.
Speaker 2:For instance, there is a certain Iowan Catholic YouTuber whose wife loves you and thinks you should tweet all the time.
Speaker 4:Oh, don't tell anybody that publicly. I didn't. There's, there's, there's, it's always is women with a certain temperament. Who, who can, can see that, like, where I'm coming from is actually um, uh, okay, so like my wife adores me, right, right, um, there are type a women hate me, type a women like that, that, that boss chick. They despise me because I am a. I don't want to hear, like you annoy me and they can sense that I will find them off-putting because they're a type a woman and I'm pretty sure matt's married to a type a woman like I. I don't know. I've seen a few episodes with cameron on the show, but I've never.
Speaker 2:I've never watched her at all. Yeah, I have.
Speaker 4:I, I, I, she comes off as a. You know he's more the passive and that's not a problem. I'm not saying that's a problem either. Like there are relationships where that works. I have brothers that are like that, like where the wife is more the type A and my brother is more the passive one.
Speaker 4:But those women tend to hate me. Like I butt heads with sisters-in-law a few of them because they have that type A personality and they think my wife is a pushover and they think my wife is just like. She just lets me do whatever I want. But really my wife just lets me lead the home and she lets me be a man. Your wife is actually. But they don't, yeah, they don't like that. They're like how, how do you take this? How do you my wife's like? Because he takes care of me and he's good to me. What are you taught like? What do you they? But that kind of woman hates me. I know I've met, I've dealt with it a million times and it's always that way. But I'm not and look, this is literally me just saying I think this, that doesn't. That doesn't necessarily mean that's actually the game. Could, I could totally be off base on.
Speaker 2:Everyone watching right now knows that anthony doesn't speak for me, right?
Speaker 4:yeah, all of a sudden you're worried what people think of us?
Speaker 2:no, no, no, this whole voice of reason thing. I've really just accepted our position in the catholic drama. This is. This isn't catholic drama, this is just me talking about. I just mean, like in the catholic media world, sure we're the heel.
Speaker 4:You know what I'm leaning into it guys I'm type a who beats the who beats that down in myself daily, so I can be a good wife, seriously, and our marriage is awesome, yeah, but, mrs Homemaker, you can't be, because you watch our show and you don't find me off-putting, so you may think you are.
Speaker 2:She's never said that you might watch for Rob.
Speaker 4:Self-awareness that was something Anthony and I have been talking so much about self-awareness. So many people lack self-awareness in this, in this whole arena, like they don't know their place. They don't I, I think, um, I think what makes our show different from every other is that we don't take ourselves so seriously.
Speaker 2:No one knows our weaknesses, faults and failings on this show better than you and I.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and we're open about them, right. So we'll poke fun at the things where we're bad and we let the audience make fun of us.
Speaker 2:And we lean into it will, and we let the audience make fun of us and it's, and we lean into it for every person, just for every person who comments how they don't like, how we're so disorganized at the start of the show, do you not?
Speaker 4:realize we just make it worse on purpose. So make it, says if he's slightly annoying me like a big brother. It's fine um, yeah, this was very gossipy, this episode, and I told ralph like I don't want to do gossip but, I kind of knew we would hear, but I didn't want to do it on youtube like I just it's. I didn't want to get into the the big dramas, it's just. All this stuff has just brought up a lot of feelings in me the past couple days.
Speaker 4:Okay, it is gay, but no, like I'm telling rob, I'm telling you, I woke up, brought up a lot of like introspect, not introspection on ourselves, necessarily, but just of this, of this catholic world of the catholic world, right, yeah, so even you putting out that tweet like, yeah, all right, we're the heel and you know, but we move the stuff, we move the story forward, we make it interesting, right I don't mean heel isn't like the literal bad guy, I just mean like there there is a narrative right that that catholic media pushes and it's.
Speaker 2:It's not even um, it's not like there's someone directing it consciously, it's just the all. Every every group in life in the world has some sort of narrative going on at all times, right, yeah, and there's.
Speaker 4:There's certain roles that people play in that but even what you're saying, right, the, the, the, the people we're talking about, they all seem so plastic to me and they all say the same things and they're also uninteresting.
Speaker 2:They're also uninteresting and you know what. So that means if, if we can annoy one of them enough, where they actually drop their facade and and go off on us once we did our job, then we made you a little bit more real yeah, I like I they.
Speaker 4:They all seem so plastic to me and I feel like if you watch a lila rose show and you watch a matt frad show and they're interviewing the same guest, you're getting the identical conversation, you're not getting anything you're not getting a.
Speaker 2:Thing even the exact same voice and the same number of tears.
Speaker 4:You guys want some inside gossip, I'll give you guys, some inside gossip, oh gosh.
Speaker 2:So sorry everyone.
Speaker 4:You guys want some inside gossip. How many people we got? 86?. Whoever stuck around for this long is about to get a doozy.
Speaker 2:Am I going to have to go to confession for talking about this?
Speaker 4:lila. Lila basically went and copied matt's entire like everything. Like she went in there, found, like she went into his studio, saw his camera equipment, his layout, everything, literally every single thing she saw. Like she, she copied everything, brought it over to hers and she took all that light, uh, that live action money and pumped it into her own personal podcast to make herself the most highly produced to make, make herself competitive with Pints.
Speaker 2:You can literally prove that on their tax filings. Yeah, they spend more money on media production than they do on lobbying.
Speaker 4:To make herself the competitor to Pints, because Pints is.
Speaker 2:Or the female Pints.
Speaker 4:Yeah, like she made herself the competitor and it wasn't so smooth how that went. There was a lot of really. Oh yeah, that was. Yeah, that's the gossip. There was bad blood there. It wasn't, you know. They may they may seem like everything's all great on the front, but I don't think there is.
Speaker 2:I think there's some and that's, that's what's so fake too right, like, guess what people? You don't have to like everyone. You don't. You have to love everyone. You have to wish what's best for everyone yeah, you do, but you don't have to like everyone. You don't have to act like you like everyone.
Speaker 4:It's so fake to make it seem like, yeah, but the thing is I want to like everyone. They're just not likable, like they don't see. That's. That's what's very different between you and I. I have no problem admitting hey, I don't like you, yeah, but I want what's best for you. Rob, when we started this show, I actually like my intention, because I saw trads getting too separated from, like, the mainstream and like I saw, people, yeah, but I also think trads are very unlikeable but I saw them.
Speaker 4:I saw them like starting to criticize people that I still liked and I was like you guys are going too far. So I came into this to try and like be a bridge between, like the, the guys I saw as good faith Catholics that maybe weren't Latin mass guys, and and the guys who were like forget SSPX, and they were like screw the Nova Zordo. Like I wanted to kind of be a bridge to keep the Catholic family together. Yeah, and the more I tried to do it, the more I saw like the, the plastic people don't actually like, they're just plastic.
Speaker 2:Well, that's. I guess that's what I'm trying to. I I don't mean you should be a mean dick to everyone, no, and I do struggle with that, don't get me wrong. But what I mean is, like in a fan, like yeah, you have to keep your family together but get. But I do think part of doing that and doing that well is just being able to admit that yeah, he's your brother, you have to always be there for him. You don't need to like him or enjoy being around him though.
Speaker 2:No, I agree with that. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:But he is still your brother, right yeah?
Speaker 2:And you got to stand up for him against people outside the family.
Speaker 4:So that gets to the Tim dave thing, right, like, like tim tim has that moral principle where he's like he's still my brother, yeah. So look, and there's degrees to that where if it's your blood brother, you have a way more, a way heavier obligation to, to, to take that stand and then you get into the brothers in christ thing where if you're catholic, like, you do have that obligation but for it to really work well, you that there has to be honesty there about it all yeah, I look, I, I really look you go back.
Speaker 4:We had trent on the show, we've had matt frat on the show and I it's. I don't want to not like it, like I want to like these guys, like I want to. I just they're. They're making it difficult they're making it difficult for me and it's because they think I'm a problem.
Speaker 3:Well, they think I'm a problem maybe I am a problem.
Speaker 4:I mean, I'm being a problem right now, right like because I'm actually talking about this.
Speaker 2:I think they all freaking envy us, because they're not wrong and do this I think they.
Speaker 4:No, I'm not kidding no, I, I completely agree 100. I think that they see what we do and they're like I wish I could just get on and say whatever was that, whatever the hell was on my mind right, and that exactly with that half of the group to that one discord server that dislikes us.
Speaker 4:I they are jealous of the ability to go on and they have to present like shut up, all of you, shut up, all of you, shut up. We've heard these arguments 8 000 times, like there's three or four guys who are good at it, the rest of you are just trying to be the next guy doing it and you all suck at it. All of the new, all the new props suck at it. They all suck, like the new new crop they're bringing up. They're all terrible at at it.
Speaker 2:Oh, I forget who put the tweet out the other day, but it was basically more or less what you said. All the new generation they are trying to emulate the Scott Hans, which is good, but they're not educated, or? Well, well read enough to do it the.
Speaker 4:The only guy who is the next scott hahn is josh josh, I think, could I think he's not the next josh, I mean, he's not the next scott, no, but he's like yeah, he's, he's like yeah, he's.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying he's dumb, he's super smart, but he's um.
Speaker 4:He's the next Marcus Brodi.
Speaker 2:I don't Marcus Brodi Journey Home Like most of Keith's episodes are like Protestant conversions, I know, but Keith is way more likable even than that. Like Keith's personality is his strength right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but.
Speaker 2:I mean, like Eric Ibarra, I think, yeah, do it. You know, christian Wagner, obviously, dude, there are some, but they're the ones that are not pushed by the main.
Speaker 4:Wagner Should be their guy. Yeah, he's but, you know why?
Speaker 4:he's not because Israel like, like his stance on israel is israel and very political leanings, yeah, like his stance on israel is why he'll never be their guy. Um, and, and he's, and he's. He's a wild one, too when it comes to like gen z, like he's, but that's what he's got. That irony, yeah, but they don't understand that. That's how you speak to the next generation. That's that's the thing these guys are all look so like they're looking for the guy to pass the baton on. Right, they're looking for. They are.
Speaker 4:They're actually thought alex was gonna they thought alex was gonna be the guy they could pass the baton on to, because Scott Hahn's freaking 70-something, yeah, patrick Madrid's in his 70s a great grandfather at this point these guys have to pass the baton on. Who are they going to pass it on to? I do think.
Speaker 2:I mean, I do think the one that will be successful is Josh, because he does have some support from them.
Speaker 4:Let me tell you something Catholic Answers needs to throw $200,000 a year at him and say we need you.
Speaker 2:Or honestly hand the reins over to Josh and become part of eternal Christendom. Yeah, like incorporated in. Yeah, I don't think yeah, Catholic Ans answers will not they. They will end up paling in comparison to josh and what he's doing so now, why hasn't josh been on that frad show?
Speaker 4:that's a good question like seriously, why hasn't josh been on frad show? Like that's baffling to me, seriously. Anybody, anybody, have any ideas on why? I mean, josh is perfect for a frat interview. Why has he not been on there?
Speaker 2:a former white House speechwriter. Musical child musical savant.
Speaker 4:Yeah, okay, wait. Somebody is actually saying Mrs Casey actually just said Catholic answers will trap him. Let me tell you something else. Mr Casey should be handling their social media. Two Catholic answers, yeah yeah, mr Casey should be their top online apologist.
Speaker 2:There's no one that makes every single Protestant online looks stupid better than Mr Casey.
Speaker 4:Mr Casey should be their top online. I mean, I don't think he ever wants like the face recognition, but he, he don't think he ever wants the face recognition, but he is masterful at presenting the good Catholic argument. He knows scripture well enough, he knows the fathers well enough, he knows the scholastics well enough.
Speaker 2:He knows it well enough. He says that Catholic answers the accountant blocked him over the vaccination stuff. That might be it well enough. He says that Catholic Answers the accountant blocked him over the vaccination stuff.
Speaker 4:That might be it too. That might be Josh's problem too.
Speaker 2:But has Josh even really said you know what it is? No, you know what it is. You know what it is with Catholic Answers. And Josh, what Aliens? It's Jimmy Akin. It might be. Think of all the positions, catholic Answers apologies, hold and josh and the only one that seems different is the aliens and ai stuff that's why they canceled daniel o'connor too.
Speaker 4:It's why they canceled. What the hell is with these guys and aliens might be his evolution that seems really weird now, doesn't it what?
Speaker 2:who cares about aliens? So what is?
Speaker 4:catholic answers. Obsession with aliens and evolution it makes you wonder if there's something. Why can't a catholic answers apologist have a different like this isn't dogmatic stuff. Why can't?
Speaker 2:are there any catholic answers? Apologists that are openly uh, creationist not that I know of I don't think there is trent's. An evolutionist, jimmy aiken, is way beyond an evolutionist um so yeah, this is weird stuff yeah, no, I think. I think it's because josh is obviously against the alien stuff and I don't know if he's ever taught like really talked about creationism.
Speaker 2:But I mean, I think it's pretty obvious he's a creationist so I think that maybe his end time stuff true, but he doesn't talk about that much he's talked about he's pretty apocalyptic josh.
Speaker 4:He's always talking about the antichrist and he talked about. He's pretty apocalyptic josh. He's always talking about the antichrist, he's pretty apocalyptic.
Speaker 2:I mean there's also the anti-masonry stuff that he's goes hard against and frad's had some known former masons on I.
Speaker 4:I find jimmy aiken to be a freaking, weird, off-putting dude.
Speaker 2:I find him, and that's without his belief.
Speaker 4:Just him, forget it. I can't watch him talk. He's just bizarre to me. I don't know. I think the Jewish question is a big problem for them.
Speaker 2:I think the aliens one is a weird one, and I think evolution is one I think the aliens and evolution thing kind of go hand in hand.
Speaker 4:Me too, for sure, yeah, if life evolved here, it could have evolved on other planets, right, like, and the thing, ah, man, they're all so dumb, they're all just so dumb. And I don't mean like, I don't mean like they're dumb, like they're dumb because they can't see the future, like, um, I I said the thing with man. I'm gonna tell you guys another one. There was recently a meeting down in tennessee where they invited a bunch of people in our arena, our sphere, our sphere. So you're talking like Joe McClain, catholic Unscripted. Michael Hitchborn, like all our friends were invited and we were not. And I was like why? And the thing is all of, look, joe McClain, hitchborn, catholic, unscripted, all of them, I love all of them dearly. They all have very older, boomer audiences. They all do. We are the only show that has a younger audience. Like, if you look at our analytics, our analytics are our core base is men 25 to 55.
Speaker 2:I looked at my Twitter analytics. Do you want to know what really surprised me? Like, 70% of the people that follow me are younger than me Younger. Yeah, I would not have guessed that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so the thing that makes our show unique is that we're speaking to younger men and none of them are, so they're all.
Speaker 4:they're all like they're, they're, their money's gonna dry up yeah, their money's gonna, because this meeting was put on by a donor yeah, but that donor is, yeah, that donor is a boomer, and they don't like us, so like, but they're not smart enough to see how important we are to this conversation. Listen to me everybody in the catholic media is watching us. Not I don't mean like watching our show, I mean watching what we do, and they're all like, what is like, what is it?
Speaker 2:I'm rob, I'm not saying that arrogantly I'm not saying you're wrong, but sometimes your statements just come off.
Speaker 4:So megalomaniac, I know they do, but listen to what I'm telling you. I see them doing what we do. I see like little things that we adjust on our show and we do. I see them starting to do it.
Speaker 2:Should we sign up them? I started doing. We should start doing something stupid, so they copy us. Listen to me.
Speaker 4:I did those stupid videos from the truck. I saw somebody else starting to do videos like that who?
Speaker 2:was that. I saw that too. Who was?
Speaker 4:that I'm telling you. They're all watching us. They're all watching us. They're all watching us. We started doing the funny video at the beginning of the show that Matt started doing with Thursday doing the funny. Oh, let's review TikTok videos. They're all watching us. They're all watching us. We're original and we have new ideas.
Speaker 2:The truck videos are a little gay um. Boomers hate you, but the young crowd loves you, yeah, well, the problem is the young crowd's broke that's why we're trying to help you guys, like we're trying to help you guys so you make more money.
Speaker 4:No, I say, I see it as an investment in the future and I'm like, okay, one day these assholes are gonna get jobs one day, those zoomers will pay for a new one day you guys are gonna have a good career and you're gonna remember your friends over here um samantha says you know what I love that you all do you highlight comments.
Speaker 2:It's a small sheet, hold on it, just it's a small thing, yeah, we interact with our audience.
Speaker 2:What sucks is, as we've gotten bigger, right, they come in faster. A lot of them are from people I like. I like highlighting the ones from people that have been with us for a while, right, people I I know, like a lot of them we've even met. But even the ones I don't like, I've never met samantha. I've known her for three years at this point, right, yeah, um, for the for the record, samantha, you're invited to the baptism. I know it's still a drive for you, but you're within driving distance. You're invited.
Speaker 4:Um majorian's getting sued, so he's broke yeah, we might, we might have to crowdfund his lawyers um but like as we've gotten bigger and it's hard. We'll be retired by the time they can afford to give us anything it's.
Speaker 2:It's hard to highlight the comments, even on youtube now especially like like when we have a guest on, I can concentrate more on that and stuff.
Speaker 4:But at the same time I like these shows when I can, when I'm just yeah, you haven't talked this much in a while, because it really was just an interaction like and we're talking personal stuff here too, right, it's like dude, we're at two hours and 45 minutes. I feel like this show is breeze, but like that's how you know you had a good show too right.
Speaker 4:We're an hour and 45 minutes on locals. We still got 90 people in the chat and we're like I'm not even. I don't care if we go. I got nowhere to go. I know your poor wife is so mad right now though well I, my kids might be asleep.
Speaker 2:She might be asleep, she might be sleeping, the kids might be awake, drawing on her. I don't know. Nicole's sleeping. You want to hear something funny? Iggy said to me yesterday so Mina asked me to take her out to dinner. She wanted some time just with me and she asked to go to her favorite. She has a restaurant that's her favorite place, so she asked to go there. Iggy asked if a restaurant that's her favorite place, so she has to go there. Iggy asked if he could come with and she said yeah. So he came with and on the way home and it's a 45-minute drive to anywhere, anywhere To go get milk To have her drive.
Speaker 4:No we can get milk at the gas station.
Speaker 2:But so we're on the drive home and I missed the turn because I'm talking to iggy in the back. So I do the u-turn and he goes in. For those of you don't know, iggy's had a speech impediment due to a tongue tie, so he's four and a half and he's starting to really really talk um, more and more um. So it's fun having conversations with them, but he goes daddy, why are we turning around? I'm like I missed the turn. I, I missed the turn. We have to turn around to get to the turn. He goes. Daddy, you're dumb. I'm like, come on. No, that you cannot call people dumb. He goes. I can't call people dumb. I'm like, no, you can't call people dumb, he goes.
Speaker 2:But it was dumb, he's not wrong I'm like, I'm on his side it is okay to call actions dumb and things dumb, but we don't call people dumb. He goes. What about bad guys? Can I call them dumb?
Speaker 4:like, yeah, you can call them I miss those ages where you just sit there and rattle off with the little ones. Wait, I saw something I wanted to bring up. Where the hell? Was it.
Speaker 4:Oh, somebody asked I'm not working, so I am actually going away this weekend with my boss, so me and my wife and my uncle and his wife Me, my wife, my kids, my uncle, his wife and my cousin are all going to fire island, and so my, while the boat is not working, my uncle has been letting me use his, so he has two boats. He has one that's like a four hundred thousand dollar great, you get the pleb boat, I get, I get the smaller one. This whole one's still way nicer than even mine is, though it's like so I, so it was going to a Coldplay show.
Speaker 4:So the like, the the one thing about my uncle man he's just so fricking good to me Like having having uncle man. He's just so freaking good to me like having having him, as my uncle has been so freaking amazing.
Speaker 2:No, no other uncle, it won't be greece 2.0.
Speaker 4:Family feud other side of no so he has, uh, he has that big boat that he's taking and my boat's not working, so I would have had to take the ferry over to where we're staying and he's like he let me take off tomorrow. So I have off tomorrow and he's letting me take his other boat, so that so tomorrow morning me and nicole have to leave here at 9 am. But usually I wake up at 4 am, like I'm usually up. I usually wait. My alarm is set for 3 45 am. I lay in bed till 4 am. I get out of bed at 4 am. I get out of bed at 4 am. I go get myself ready, I make my coffee and I'm out the door by 4 30.
Speaker 4:Tomorrow I can sleep till like seven. That's like it's like it's a Saturday for me. So, um, yeah, we're going. He let me take off tomorrow and we're going, I'll be gone. So after we get off the show tonight, I'm logging off social media for the week. I kind of need a break after this week. This week was hard. It's just too much.
Speaker 2:Too much with all the freaking garbage going on you should give me control of trentorius while you're gone. Did you see what I tweeted from that?
Speaker 4:what's funny is I watched the joe heschmeyer video and joe heschmeyer is like you know some of you out there have anonymous accounts and you think you could get away with anything and say anything, and that's that's a problem. Like, oh, I have an anonymous account, yeah, I gotta get something to my head.
Speaker 2:It's like ha ha, notorious I tweeted mexicans, am I right?
Speaker 4:uh, and beth anthony doesn't make it. I won't go a week, I'll be. I'll be there till sunday, so I'll be, I'll be off. I'll be on friday, saturday and maybe sunday evening when I get home I logged off for his anniversary divorce stuff happened.
Speaker 2:Voice of reasons last week. That's when that dropped sunday.
Speaker 4:Oh man, that's right that's right, and I wasn't on social media and I kept my mouth shut enough. And then the next day I went to work and the first thing I tweeted was if alex's friends care about him, they'll go check on him. Um, no, I didn't see the. The joshua, charles and mar, is it good?
Speaker 2:I just want to know why those two together? I'm not against it.
Speaker 4:Yeah no, it's probably what made Wagner think huh, let me get Josh was. Josh was on with Hitchborn tonight, then he jumped on with Wagner. He could have jumped on with it. We were supposed to have him Tuesday and we canceled the show Tuesday. He's coming on next Tuesday, mario. Yeah, josh, supposed to happen tuesday and we canceled the show tuesday. He's coming on next tuesday, mario. Yeah, josh. Josh thinks he's allowed to like steal my friends and I don't like it. I don't like when people like that are my friends talk when I'm not there.
Speaker 5:I don't like it now you know how I feel when you have shows without me I'm sure it was a good episode.
Speaker 4:Anything with josh and christian and mario is going to be good.
Speaker 2:I'm sure you know um enoch will come back on you see his tweet today, enoch yeah, about how he's like, been the most active catholic music creator over the last four years and not been platformed by basically anyone other than any of them, other than trads who dislike rap yeah right, it's so bizarre, like why was enoch not on that show? So I tweeted I'm like you know, usually uh, a canonically eastern cath from an Iraqi immigrant family would be platformed to all hell by Catholic Inc yeah.
Speaker 2:Yet because he goes to the TLM and says some controversial stuff, everyone's like, well, not as bad as us.
Speaker 4:But they'll never platform us. It's because he's associated with us. Yeah, maybe Josh isn't on that because he's associated with us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe josh isn't on that because he's associated with us poor josh maybe josh josh has been blacklisted that makes more sense than the alien thing, doesn't it?
Speaker 4:yeah, maybe he's also. He's too. He's too into the stratosphere, josh. Yeah, I think they have. Like you know, they don't want anybody near the stratosphere their livelihood depends on post-Vatican II. Catholicism and normies that don't question it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yep.
Speaker 4:If they their livelihood is threatened by anything else, we're holding back the career of everyone else.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, that's how we end up convincing all of them to to join us in a new, in a Paul says Fred's wife definitely has a shit list. If Catholic Inc is the WWF, does that make us the NWO?
Speaker 4:No, it's okay. So this is this is a good point too. Like there, the obsession with oh it was, it was, uh, it was, uh, uh, uh, kimmy staple, what was the fake jimmy? Uh uh uh, tim staples, no, um, staples, or something. Kim nipple, uh yeah that's what we're trying to do, though. So, uh, st Augustine's, uh create a new network, so that's what we're trying to do, right so like like that's what we've thought of.
Speaker 2:We've never put an ounce of effort into actually making it.
Speaker 4:It's who we have on the show. So somebody, somebody tweeted the other day. They were like josh is my favorite, uh, um, like, what do you call it when you start a side show? Like uh?
Speaker 2:so like a spinoff. Yeah, joshua charles, my favorite ab spinoff, uh, character hot scone, yeah, eternal christian becomes like the greatest evangelizing force in, like the new evangelization, and it's really just an avoiding babylon spinoff it would be hilarious.
Speaker 4:Wait, majorian, I do want to talk to you guys about um, the, the younger guys doing the the show. Uh, they were on with antony the other day and they had Pinesap on and John's audio was so bad it was just distracting. Like you guys got to figure that out.
Speaker 4:And that episode was good. Right, the irony, but that episode was good. But then there was another episode where you guys were on. It was New Crusade, antoni. Like you guys have to, when when you do a show right out of the gate, you can't kind of just come out and and meander there has to be somebody that kind of takes control of it and sets no, we meander, but there's still like you need. You need one person to, you need a ringleader yeah you need a ringleader.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you need one person to go. Okay, I'm gonna set the tone, I'm gonna kind of direct the conversation. Even if it's just goofing around and stuff, you do need one person to kind of take the reins to guide the show and and then let the jokes and stuff happen. But it there needs to be a little like. You guys need a little bit of brushing up on like getting to the point. You can't just like I don't know. I mean I'm not the best person to talk to about it, but I do. I I have been trying to watch you guys. Anthony commences podcast. Anthony is rugby catholic. Ab is rugby catholic. Uh, ab is rugby catholic against soccer. Uh, we come here for the meandering. That's our culture. No, no, but when me and rob do it, it may seem like we're meandering if we're rugby union, does that make eternal christian rugby league?
Speaker 2:not that, anthony understands.
Speaker 4:But you, you guys may think we're meandering, but I always have something like I always know where we're going. There's always like a all right, I know, I, I know when a topic has reached its okay, but seriously, no one knew we were talking about voice of reason for 10 minutes into the last episode no, that was the worst.
Speaker 2:That was bad, especially with the subject matter like yeah, our bad guys but I it was such a big subject they assumed people knew it.
Speaker 4:I I dropped the ball on that one. But typically when we come on, rob knows I'm going to I'll I'll typically open with a joke and then I'll I'll bring something up or a story or something. And it's you. You do kind of need that rudder to guide the show and then, and then you know you bring things up that you don't know where they're going to go, but you do kind of need the rudder to direct it when, when a topic has run its course, you have to know okay, this is getting boring, it's time to switch topics and jump to a new one. It's you need.
Speaker 2:You need a, you need a lead, that's we've actually gained people watching in the last half hour. That's pretty wild. It's a couple. People said they came back from another youtube show when we were still on we all know you're meandering.
Speaker 4:It's the buy time till voice and reason credits anthony, yeah, majorian, honestly, I'm gonna. I will tell you, you do need to be the rudder like, which is ironic, because it's not your show you're the only one without the show and you're the most interesting out of those guys. So I, I, definitely I. I I'm not trying to be mean to John, you said that multiple times and yet you, I'm just you guys got. It's up to you guys if you want the show to be. I'm just, oh wow.
Speaker 4:I don't want to be mean to.
Speaker 2:John. I am a program director, if you want the show to be successful.
Speaker 4:Listen, I am a good at PR and.
Speaker 4:I'm good at program directing I, I'm good at knowing what might be interesting, right? So it's uh, what I can tell when there's another show on and I'm like, oh, this is gonna. Okay, let's put it this way. We had Eric Sammons on last week. We talked about whatever we talked about. We got over 10,000 views on our show. Kennedy had Eric Sammons on and he got 1,000 views because he talked about. Can he talk about Bitcoin, a Bitcoin? So my point to Eric was yeah, we can have you on to talk about bitcoin, but nobody's gonna hear about your book because nobody cares about bitcoin. Or you could do a show with us with a regular topic and then you'll get to promote your book to 10 000 people, but we're not going to spend the majority of the show talking about your book, we'll talk, we'll mention your book and then at the end of the show we let him explain the book.
Speaker 4:But if you, if you just do a book with an interview about the moral, moral money on bitcoin, you're not going to get a lot of views because it's nobody cares like, unless you're a bitcoin guy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly like if you're broke, like everyone is in the country right now you don't care because you don't have the money because we missed the board on bitcoin.
Speaker 4:To be honest, yeah eric.
Speaker 2:Eric, your book is 10 years too late. Bud, come on you're good.
Speaker 4:You're good at knowing what you find interesting and and we love you and trust you to take us on a fun ride.
Speaker 2:That, but that's true okay, I tell them that all the time I'm like yeah, it's just. Oh, dude, I forgot there's a three-hour limit.
Speaker 4:Oh, we reached a three-hour limit.
Speaker 2:It's the first time we ever did that hold on the chat is not. Oh man, it's the first time we've ever done that. Let me hit the end stream. I better leave it. Is the live chat open? No, the live chat just ended too. We can't even tell anyone.
